NJZ Updates and Discussion

[subtle matrix]

Brother read the injunction ruling it's mentioned there

[sudden tangle]

me personally. i think if mhj really had njz best interest in mind over her own best interest, she wouldn’t of allowed them to threaten contract breakage so soon. all the adults around njz lowk making mistakes

[storm warren]

they hate reading

[acoustic verge]

literally asking for sources to read. FFS

[storm warren]

sources linked million times here. read first then reason

[acoustic verge]

And the full officlal injunction ruling isn't online that I can find, so...

[short laurel]

i partially agree. mhj just put herself above members. doesn't mean she didn't had girl interest in mind. but she made herself priority and messed up alot. she's just artists after all

[subtle matrix]

Check pinnnnnnnnnnnnssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

[acoustic verge]

gracias

[sudden tangle]

yeah i don’t necessarily believe she maliciously did it but i do think she was careless with a group that cared for her immensely

[storm warren]

thankfully njz has autonomy on their future, opinions and actions and every step they took they thought was right at that moment or the best they could have done at that very moment.

[short laurel]

she was very careless. in many ways. most obvious one is her chat being leaked. which brings me to this question. why is hybe not being questioned for store their employees private chat in their server. that's invasion of privacy.

[storm warren]

hybe got sued for that

[short laurel]

yet ministry of labours kept hyeb as top company.

[short laurel]

is that battle on going ?

[compact creek]

very true

[storm warren]

mhj sued them for violating some communication laws related to illegally obtaining kkt chats and so on

[old cypress]

The thing is unless you're a judge being totally unbiased is pointless. It's natural to have a bias as long as you're aware of it. For example if A is always telling the truth and B is always lying, you will give A's words more strength than B instead of being one of these "he said she said".

[short laurel]

i agree with that but lets move on.

[short laurel]

so mhj has 7 lawsuits now counting this. or is it combined with shareholder one ?

[storm warren]

Min's side suspects that HYBE collected the KakaoTalk conversations by forensically examining a laptop returned three years ago. This laptop was returned when Min resigned as HYBE's CBO (Chief Brand Officer).

[acoustic verge]

Yeah, as I thought. This claim that Hybe was going to put them on hitaus seems to be overblown some.

[compact creek]

honestly i agree the more as i learn about it, but ig just from how i see njz i still tend to side and want the best for them regardless

[storm warren]

yeah, as I thought. you would trivialize and undermine the issue

[acoustic verge]

Therefore, it is difficult to conclude that this statement was intended to mean "We will temporarily suspend the debtors’ entertainment activities."

[compact creek]

[short laurel]

so many issues are undermined and so many are overblown.

[subtle matrix]

I think all of them are

[acoustic verge]

agreed

[frozen bronze]

same thing is said about mhj's messages

[short laurel]

agreed but our views are opposite here.

[old cypress]

Okay I finished reading it. She was considering making her label elsewhere. It's pretty normal no? At that stage she could resign from hybe and create her label anywhere. How is that breachoftrusty ? I remember she said in an interview that she had many options and offers for her label but she eventually decided to go with hybe.

[acoustic verge]

That's what the court said. It wasn't an offical plan according to Hybe. They said it to the parents directly in order to to "prevent them from becoming unsettled amid reports of an audit of AD at AB."

Additionally, AL, the former CEO of AB, was neither an executive of the creditor nor acting as the creditor’s auxiliary agent in carrying out any duties.

[short laurel]

that's the thing need to prove. court is saying hyeb and ador are saperate but girls need to prove they are acting same.

former ceo of hybe was ceo of hybe so his words carries weight. from girls perspective it could be considered official. it's just comes down to proving hybe and ador acting as one.

[acoustic verge]

True, and that will come down to the agreement between Hybe and Ador.

But saying that Hybe wanted to put them on Hiatus without adding context is misleading imo

[short laurel]

we disagree on that then.

[old cypress]

Before newjeans debut? Where do the breach of trust plans come from then? the VP's kakaotalk conversations?

[acoustic verge]

sure. like i said. from my perspective, explaining to shareholders you benched one of your money making talentd for 1.5 years would be difficult

[empty halo]

didn't the members claim that hybe wanted to send them on a hiatus, aren't they the direct source for that

[short laurel]

parents said hybe ceo at the tiem said that to them.

[empty halo]

ohh

[sudden tangle]

sooo isn’t this a silly issue to discuss? isn’t the ‘evidence’ likely untraceable verbal statements?

[old cypress]

No because hybe confirmed they did tell the parents

[sudden tangle]

right but they’re saying that’s not enough to claim they wanted to put them on hiatus? ..

[old cypress]

it's not enough because hybe doesn't decide for ador according to the judge

[storm warren]

the reasoning behind 1.5 years break was tied to put option. hybe did not want ador to generate another 100b or more revenue as it would increase mhj's payout dramatically. world tour and new album would make ador generate over 200b won easily. at least that was original thought, they got better plans afterwards

[frozen bronze]

your employer tells you hes gonna make you do nothing for 1.5 years and you should just shrug it off because w hat if hes just kidding

[sudden tangle]

that seems silly..

[old cypress]

and hybe is like "we wanted to reassure the parents, we didn't really mean it haha"

[sudden tangle]

what about that is reassuring exactly

[short laurel]

ok lets make clear on wording here: from hybe perspective mhj is bad and they need to kick mhj quick. nj will be left with no producer then. so hybe ceo at the time said it'll take UP TO 1.5 years to find grammy winning producer for newjeans.
this is the explanation. it comes down to MHJ being "bad"

[frozen bronze]

it isnt, because they werent trying to reassure them

[empty halo]

srsly they need 1.5 years for a PRODUCER?

[sudden tangle]

yes that’s my point 😭

[frozen bronze]

its just the excuse hybe used after

[old cypress]

well in any case hybe claimed this and all the hesaidshesaid people are eating it up

[acoustic verge]

it wasn't nefarious is the point. They weren't necessarily doing it to punish NJ or MHJ when it was suggested. It wasn't an official plan. The CEO of Hybe probably couldn't force Ador to do it either way due to the amount of control MHJ had at Ador

[frozen bronze]

how is that not nefarious

[storm warren]

its one of the reason for breakdown of trust. u step in room when audit is going on and they tell u western producer needs 1.5y. im sure everyone was pleased to hear that

[short laurel]

upto

[acoustic verge]

in context, MHJ was "bad" considering her actions in Hybe's perspective.

[storm warren]

parents must have been thrilled "my daughters winning grammy soon ayy lets gaur"

[short laurel]

not proven. since court rejected hybe's reason. court rejected it. so hybe situation is tricky too in terms of shareholders.

[sudden tangle]

except they could force ador by pushing mhj out like they did lol

[acoustic verge]

they probably wanted to hire a full time producer. Not a one and done situation.

[frozen bronze]

there was no need for that when 250 and frnk are there

[short laurel]

at the time mhj was almost out anyways. and mainlawsuit battle still yet to start . so hybe will maintain mhj "bad". they probably come to this excuses to sharehodler at the time

[storm warren]

the way u have justification for every hybe's action is fascinating

[acoustic verge]

I'm not sure the timeline of when the parent meeting was and the audit performed.

[empty halo]

THIS. 1.5 years is A MASSIVE hiatus for kpop groups which are hyperactive

esp for a group that debuted 2 years ago that is crazy its just not how its done

[sudden tangle]

also why does it have to be nefarious from the beginning? if someone makes a threat generally they’re punished for it wether they follow through or not

[short laurel]

especially when girls popularity was at peak.

[compact creek]

rest in peace blue album

[acoustic verge]

I'm a financial auditor by trade. Professional skepticism. And like I said. You would have to explain the drop in revenue to your shareholders because at the time, NJ was probably the 3rd biggest revenue stream

[storm warren]

lol

[frozen bronze]

i would compare this to mhj's messages about splitting from hybe
both are obviously with ill intent, neither have any proof of any real, actual preparations or intention to follow through with anything

[old cypress]

It's for the public as well, hybe couldn't eject mhj without the public getting angry so they needed a justification and to smear her name. That's why we got the whole breach of trust and the audit going public with the media shitstorm.

[acoustic verge]

Ehh. This was a discussion between the CEO and the parents. I don't think there was ill intent to their faces like that

[frozen bronze]

except mhj was speaking in private to her coworker, and hybe said it to the member's and their parents directly

[acoustic verge]

yeah that's a big difference

[old cypress]

financial auditor yet you can't explain how mhj can take over ador with a 18% ownership lol

[sudden tangle]

if you think there was anything but negative or threatening connotations to telling the parents they might go on hiatus for a year & a half idk what to tell u honestly 😭

[frozen bronze]

hybe wouldnt dare right

[short laurel]

btw it was delayed cuz of yoon but hybe is under radar and will be called to national assembly for stocks related drama.

[empty halo]

losing a single producer (whos heavily involved in the group sure but still) taking you 1.5 years to recover is a crazy dumb excuse lowk idk

[short laurel]

upto*

[acoustic verge]

Up to 1.5 years, no? The max time. I honestly don't know how long it would take, but I doubt it would be quick if they truly wanted a producer of that level who would work in Kpop

[short laurel]

the attack on mhj was sooo intense last year. it's was crazy

[empty halo]

if you give people a number like 1.5 years or any amount of time, they're gonna stick to that and keep it in their mind

[old cypress]

yeah it was a smear campaign, they really didn't have to go public with the audit at all but they needed it to justify mhj's ejection to the public

[storm warren]

i told financial auditor that hybe would rather see ador revenue drop than pay put options (that would reach massive numbers with new album and world tour) to mhj. they saw it as temporary measure even if it affected njz so what, they are cog in the machine, they will pump out 10 more groups to fill the void

[short laurel]

yup. but sicne it'll be in court we should be clear about up to

[empty halo]

again they already have producers like frnk and 250 who were heavily involved in nwjns' music

[acoustic verge]

Sorry, but I find it hard to believe the CEO was threatening the parents to their face. Again, the parents of their 3rd largest revenue stream. The CEO has a fidicuiary duty to it's shareholders which shouldn't be taken lightly

[storm warren]

he was not threatening but baiting them w grammy nonsense

[old cypress]

bsh the main shareholder is the one commanding everything

[short laurel]

also 1.5 years is loooooooooooooooooong break for 2 year old group.

[empty halo]

HYBE has massive influence in the industry and a whole lot of money, they could hire high quality producers in no time

[acoustic verge]

True. And that could have been a consideration. we really don't know because it never got that far

[storm warren]

they were never consideration bc BANA works only with MHJ. hope this helps

[acoustic verge]

i dont want to speculate on what could have happened. slipery slope

[storm warren]

u dont wanna speculate anything that might be negative towards hybe awwww

[acoustic verge]

I've criticized hybe's action in all this as well. scroll up

[storm warren]

dont wanna read any more word vomit

[upbeat stream]

I mean Lee Jae-sang literally said that they intend to destroy newjeans, which the court dismissed by saying that hybe and ador are separate and the actions of hybe don't breach newjeans' trust. Absolutely ridiculous since ador is controlled by hybe and if hybe does intend to destroy newjeans, ador won't be able to stop them. Even if they try to, hybe can simply replace the whole board like they did last year

[frozen bronze]

really?

[acoustic verge]

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bro called me bias although I think everyone involved has dirtys hands in this. collateral damage is unfortunately NJ.
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[storm warren]

such a hybe criticism

[upbeat stream]

If he can say that, then the 1.5 years thing is milder in comparison

[acoustic verge]

that was just today and what I remember

End of the day, I want the girls to get back to activities and be happy with where they're at.

[short laurel]

dani birthday soon

[upbeat stream]

Court is insanely biased, hybe can get away with anything

[sudden tangle]

dani bday already in australia

[empty halo]

in like 30 mins kst :00

[acoustic verge]

Yes, based on the ruling and Hybe's explanation, it wasn't nefarious. That's not speculation. That's just comprehending what was stated

[empty halo]

do you guys think that they'll do a bday stream bc theyve yknow been keeping a low profile and been on break

[sudden tangle]

honestly no idea

[upbeat stream]

ok how about saying they want to destroy newjeans? That not nefarious too?

[acoustic verge]

Definitely a possibility

[storm warren]

first one is hilarious. mhj audited, kicked. didnt even have control on ador anymore before injunction restoring her position. hybe ceo suggest 1.5y for grammy producer but uwu he is so powerless

[upbeat stream]

Unlikely, they changed their ig handle a few days ago but haven't posted anything

[acoustic verge]

where is that coming from?

[empty halo]

wasnt the most recent hanni and minji stream after they changed their handle to mhdhh

[frozen bronze]

get ready to learn it

[sudden tangle]

i feel the need to remind yall that in korea you can file a defamation suit and win even if the information being spread was 100% true. their legal system isn’t the best

[upbeat stream]

From a naver article. It has been posted here multiple times but I didn't save it, will have to go looking

[empty halo]

do you srsly not believe that atm theyre not targeting nwjns members in the media and spreading rumours to ruin their reputations

[acoustic verge]

cool. i'll see if I can find it

[upbeat stream]

No

[acoustic verge]

[empty halo]

[upbeat stream]

The judge didn't even say the violation was not severe enough for ador to take action against hybe or something like that. No it said that hybe and ador are separate so it doesn't fucking matter what hybe does. Basically, if a label wants to abuse its artists, all it needs to do is create a sublabel, and sign the artists with that sublabel instead of them directly. Then they avoid all liability? What else are you supposed to conclude from this fuckass ruling?

[subtle matrix]

That's just how subsidiaries work. Otherwise MHJ wouldn't have won the first injunction

[acoustic verge]

Honestly, Ador gave NJ a lot of protections. MHJ admitted this herself. She had full creative control

[upbeat stream]

No, ador needs to take action against hybe if it's severe enough (not saying that it necessarily was). Read my first sentence.

[storm warren]

the contract does state that ador should take action if third party interferes. i assume this part of contract will be brought up in main lawsuit

[subtle matrix]

Yeah I was just replying to the latter sentences tbh lol. But where does this issue of ADOR taking action against HYBE come up? I thought what the ruling touched upon was if HYBE had to take action against the other parties

(for example dispatch/source music when those trainee videos were leaked)

[upbeat stream]

The part where Lee Jae-sang said that they intend to destroy newjeans. It was posted in some article on the injunction result day, it has been discussed extensively on here, but as I said, I can't seem to find it. I'll try looking on naver though

[compact creek]

does the hybe wanna destory njz thing also come up in the hybe audit? i saw some things about it but then I saw that it shouldn't be taken seriously because it took opinions off of netizens/consumers not actual people at hybe?

[short laurel]

someone share ador statement at the time of girls terminating the contract. there's a sentance from ador at the time that i need to read again.

the one about the issues girls asked ador to solve

[subtle matrix]

Ah, the ruling on that point was a bit lacking

[mild mist]

I believe that the original source is the burn book

[old cypress]

it's in the recent injuction but it's just a statement

https://x.com/NJZBUBBLEGUM/status/1902986654543134829

. (@NJZBUBBLEGUM) on X

"I am thinking of damaging NewJeans' brand value to eliminate both NewJeans and MHJ together."
- Lee Jae-sang (CEO of HYBE)

X · Mar 21, 2025, 7:32 AM

[subtle matrix]

Not sure what how NJZ's legal team framed that complaint because the judged dismissed it simply on the basis of not having other objective evidence that it happened and that he wasn't an ADOR exec. Was there ever an internal complaint about this?

[old cypress]

also worth nothing that he said it right after the audit went public

[old cypress]

he dismissed it for two reasons : 1) no other objective evidence supporting the statement 2) he doesn't represent ador. Not sure why njz's legal team included his petition and as you said we would need to see how they framed it

Maybe they meant to let tokkis know that hybe meant to destroy newjeans from the get-go and that it's not just a petty fight between egoistical adults

[bronze talon]

either the judge doesnt acknowledge that ador is basically hybe now or they only see adors wrongdoings bc the complains are against this sublabel and not hybe (eventho we now ador is basically hybe nowadays)

[acoustic verge]

It was allegedly in a Hybe internal report from May 2023. The date of the report makes me skeptical this statement was made, but would make strong evidence in their case if it exist. @upbeat stream

[old cypress]

the former though he does at some point he just doesn't apply this logic to the claims

[short laurel]

can't find it..

[upbeat stream]

But he was in hybe america at that time. Doesn't make sense for him to say that. If you have the source, please provide it because I've been trying to find it with no luck

[old cypress]

https://www.soompi.com/article/1706849wpp/ador-releases-statement-in-response-to-newjeans-press-conference

[acoustic verge]

Tweet above. I just translated it. There's no other info around that claim that I can find

[upbeat stream]

Oh right, the source is right there lol. But where does it say that it's from 2023?

https://m.entertain.naver.com/article/144/0001026959

[old cypress]

I posted the source already, he said it on april 23 2024

[vapid turret]

What’s this?

I found it on instagram and I need a translation

[short laurel]

not this. the response to the certified letter girls sent

[clever parcel]

its danielles bday today

11th so she posted a story

[empty halo]

its mostly just danielle thanking fans for love and support and for writing letters to her

[old cypress]

https://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/news/2024-11-29/business/industry/ADOR-claims-it-did-everything-it-could-in-a-22page-letter-to-NewJeans/2189131 this?

[storm warren]

KJY working hard on edits

[ashen charm]

Omg ador thank you for recognizing danielles birthday

[wary creek]

so did hybe/ador address any of the 8 demands njz had

[ashen charm]

No but they remember there birthdays

[wary creek]

if hybe/ador were smart, they should have done at least one or two to look good to public and in court

[acoustic verge]

they wrote 22 pages addressing the demands. They'll probably use that as good faith in court. No idea what all it said, but not all demands were met.

[half knot]

The issue that the judge took with that exchange was NJZ girls didn't even try to give a reasonable time to read ador's response before the press conference and subsequent termination of contract.

Of course ador and hybe's legal teams likely timed their response precisely to gain such an advantage.

If you were to follow the judge's reasoning, if for example the girls had waited until the end of November, even if it was a few more days than the 14-day limit, before holding their press conference and unilaterally terminating the contract due to claimed violations, then perhaps things would have been more in their favor, at least from the judge's perspective.

[acoustic verge]

Yeah. Idk who is giving them advice, but having the press conference the day of the deadline was not the smartest of plays.

[wary creek]

oof yeah and who told them to choose 14 days

that's 10 business days

[acoustic verge]

I would still call it 14 days. Everyday is a business day in situations like this. But yeah. If they expected everything to be completed, maybe not enough?

I really want to read the letter Ador sent. Not sure if it's entire public?

[bronze talon]

wowzers

[wary creek]

i think to really prove that the breach of trust occurred for njz, mhj really needs to win her suits and prove that she was unfairly treated and removed.

how i see it, njz may have a hard time showing mistreatment under their short time under the new ador. They just need to show that it wasn't valid to remove the old ador in the first place.

[mild mist]

14 days is the minimum requirement in the contract (from what we know of the contract from the court proceedings)

[acoustic verge]

Yeah, the outcome of her case could be the deciding factor for their case

[half knot]

also the judge clearly took issue with the timing of the contract termination certified letter coinciding uncomfortably close with MHJ's resignation from Ador as inside director.

like ......... I don't know who was giving the girls legal advice, or perhaps nobody was at the time and only afterwards they hired their legal team, but there are some amateurish mistakes they made from the judge's perspective that really hurt their injunction case.

not that I agree or disagree with the judge's decision, I don't know even 1% of the information the judge had access to.

[short laurel]

Legal requirement is 14 days

[frozen granite]

Oh periodt !!!!

[short laurel]

1st was not legal notice so court not consider it as same 14 days in November

[upbeat stream]

https://x.com/zaran_lol/status/1910353689484898740?t=64FgobICr8-cV9hf3_XF6g&s=33

Zarania (@zaran_lol) on X

@newjeans_loop Admin Can we get Minji voice message updates or no

X · Apr 10, 2025, 3:26 PM

What's this about?

[red thorn]

Just the delulu perhaps

[mild mist]

it wasn't the same list of demands though

if one were cynical, one would suggest that the first ultimatum would be deliberately unreasonable so they knew it would be rejected
and then they would use that as evidence that ador would ignore the second

[waxen musk]

lol whaaaat. I actually laughed.
Is this the first thing ADOR has "created" (just a quick photo edit) since the stop on new YouTube video uploads since the injunction hearing?

[split bramble]

that judge was just making up stuff as reasons to grant the injunction

[cinder narwhal]

are there even any updates from anyone else

[deft steppe]

Ig only time will tell. So much unknown. I'm kind of glad for it. It's best that some stuff are left to the professionals. Leaked info can ruin a case sometimes.

[prisma nova]

What did bunnies do to lsfm? Why are fearnots being annoying asses??

[grizzled summit]

Cuz the girls mentioned them during the injunction so they're mad and also because lsf flopped hard

The fact that during njz hiatus they're the most talked abt and when illit or lsfm doing comeback they're flopping 😂

[fleet nebula]

lol you're part of the problem, zero reason to be saying lsf or illit flopped hard, be peaceful and chill

[bronze talon]

literally

[waxen musk]

#newjeans-chat message
Does this mean OG ADOR team members created this before they left?

[rain spade]

[hoary frost]

Yup 🥰 and shes glowing

[prisma nova]

Ahh it’s so hard

I rlly hope seventeen becomes independent bc hybe is so shit to them and then I won’t have any association to hybe groups anymore

[high totem]

dont bash other groups please

[wary creek]

is lsf comeback not doing well?

i like their new songs

[compact creek]

im pretty sure it is

i dont stan them but iliked come over but i kind if expected more songs for the overall ep

[heady gate]

Their songs are not as iconic as NJ songs, but it has good streaming result (not record-breaking result). Lsf out stream all boy grps except BTS and SK on Spotify.

[red thorn]

Girl groups doing well in this era

[storm warren]

yes. probably created prior resignation

nayeon deleted story, what are the chances ador contacted them to take it down lol

edit: it is not deleted

[red thorn]

The story deleted?

[storm warren]

yep

[red thorn]

Checked, still up
One of the og even re-post the story

[storm warren]

can u link

maybe my ig glitching ? bc i only see seoul story

i checked from another acc and its there 👍

[red thorn]

Your other acc is cooked

[hollow sorrel]

this is a speculation:

I know we shouldn't really talk about minji's private instagram and I might delete later BUT

anyone notice how she only followed people they worked with or like brand ambassadors for and then there's randomly Billie Eilish?!?!
What if Billie Eilish x NJZ is happening soon

[clever parcel]

could be or maybe she just likes her? i mean its her private ig

[jade jolt]

I think so too, she showed her love for billies music multiple times but maybe if they weren t on hiatus and they didn t have to deal with all of this legal stuff it might have happend but right now it s impossible unfortunately

[upbeat stream]

In korea they are not doing as well as they used to. Idk if it's just a natural decline or if the controversies affected them

[hollow sorrel]

yeah she has sang and posted Billie’s music a lot

I just found it interesting how it’s only people they’ve worked with and her, but it’s purely speculation

[clever parcel]

look its a private instagram which she might use to follow ppl that are close to her or she just likes no need to analyze everything imo

jus let it be. if its private it was private

[hollow sorrel]

it’s not my screenshot, the name is covered and she only follows people who are publicly known

[hollow sorrel]

yeah that’s why I emphasized it’s a speculation, but if they ever collab in the future remember what I said

[clever parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/robert-downey-jr-şahabi-poz-sahabi-poz-şahabi-yiğit-ali-izci-gif-203463224494253375

[short laurel]

So ador used old work for this instead of making new one

[short laurel]

In lollapalooza njz signed copy of getup album to billie. There's pic of it. There's chance they become friends after that.
There's probably nothing more to that than this

[mild mist]

They also had some interaction on that Japanese television programme

[hoary frost]

What story?

[stiff prairie]

who's gimddana and hooyounghoo

[storm warren]

Hooyoung is gfx designer, left ador in 2023. dana is in media contents planning team, or was.

[short laurel]

wait. so this work was made in 2023?

[storm warren]

not that i know . hooyoung hasnt worked on ador project since get up iirc

she is now freelancer

[short laurel]

anyways this implies this work was made by old ador team so that means current ador just used old work. they deserves criticism for this.

[hollow sorrel]

I don’t think so, I think the bottom picture taken at Tokyo Dome last year, because of the jersey

[cinder narwhal]

hooyounghoo style is so distinct when i see something she made it's so obvious

[subtle matrix]

They're doing well but far from their peak popularity in SK

[grizzled summit]

What an ironic and hypocritical thing to say. Weren't you bashing illit a week ago?

[fleet nebula]

Nope

[grizzled summit]

You were but OK.

[fleet nebula]

Definitely wasn't me

[grizzled summit]

Then according to your logic, shouldnt we be peaceful and chill to bsh? Omg yeah now I feel bad for him lol

And the ADOR ceo as well?

[fleet nebula]

I mean, the mods already told you not to bash them but sure keep going on your crazy rant

[grizzled summit]

And other people just gonna shit talk about them wow selective moderation I see

[fleet nebula]

It's pretty much "bash the companies and those in charge, leave the groups and girls out of it" as the general rule

[grizzled summit]

Anyways can anyone update me on any latest news or Smth byee

[old cypress]

I loved their cb and they're still rising on melon, the song is really good

[storm warren]

nothing new

[subtle matrix]

Well people shouldn't be calling him fat like I've seen lol

[storm warren]

he is no longer fat, he is ozempic bang now

[subtle matrix]

Anyway trying to logic yourself out of "don't talk shit about other groups" was really funny thanks for the laugh

[craggy skiff]

That right. I see this kind of news every month
Whenever an article about bsh, it is always praying how he loses his weight

[grizzled summit]

Yall should stick to your principles

[grizzled summit]

Then why are people saying the verdict was brutal

[short laurel]

I'll always support insults to bsh. Hybe n its sublabels defend him more than they defead their idols.

[grizzled summit]

I'm pretty sure they're more defensive bout their idols

Btw when will the objection verdict rule out and why was the hearing just 12 mins

[bronze talon]

things we dont have an answer to

[storm warren]

it was objection to injunction verdict. the verdict of objection is not out yet

[acoustic verge]

Only reason it would be that short is if NJ didn't present much new evidence. The hearing is just to give the losing side an opportunity to respond. Decision will probably come fast if the hearing was that short.

[hoary frost]

I think their music is a little too generic, they should experiment more With their sound

[short laurel]

No. It was short cuz they submitted new documents be4 hearing n judge read through them be4. Hearing was just formality or if they wanted to add more.

[empty halo]

i see news articles about bsh, his weight and his weight loss more often than i see articles about hybe groups do they expect people to not talk about and make fun of it

[acoustic verge]

Really? i thought this CB felt a little different. But I guess I can see where you're coming from

[hoary frost]

I think it kinda is in same line from their other works

Fearless was still their best tt I think

[empty halo]

antifragile is goated

[hoary frost]

Yeah it's decent as well

[empty halo]

they peaked there chart performance wise + quality wise (imo)

[subtle matrix]

Actually the criticism I see most often is that their songs are a bit all over the place in terms of genre instead of having an established concept lol a lot of people think they experiment too much

[hoary frost]

really...?

[hot girder]

their music is generic in the way that everything is mainstream (fair), but lsf doesn't exactly follow a sound? I do think it's a bit over the place

[acoustic verge]

Yeah, Hot single is sitting kinda in the middle of their other big singles on Billboard Global. Same with the album on the BB 200.

[empty halo]

i mean, have u ever listened to a song thats not from lsrfm and went "that sounds like lsrfm!" they dont rlly have a distinct sound i think

[hot girder]

I loved their debut sound, I hope they go back to those "fashion runway" vibes

[short laurel]

From what i c. They follow western trend whatever popular. That's also why their cb always have controversies like that.

[empty halo]

IT WAS REALLY REALLY GOOD

[hoary frost]

Oh ok I get what u mean, well thats what I meant about about generic. Fearless was the runaway elegant girl crush vibe song which Is why I liked it

[short laurel]

I didn't listen to their latest cb yet

[hot girder]

except for the weird Fearless choreo yea the sound is really good

[hoary frost]

hot is kinda plain

the instrumental is very plain too. antifragile had an awesome instrumental

I think kpop songs instrumentals are getting more barebones

[acoustic verge]

agreed. though I don't necessarily think that's a bad thing

[hoary frost]

I rlly don't like it

thats y I enjoyed sm's new gg debut, rich instrumental and great harmonies

[hot girder]

Hot might be their weakest title song

fearless had a simple beat too, but it was good in its own way. hot is just a nothingburger

[acoustic verge]

Yeah, I really enjoyed both debut songs

[acoustic verge]

i like it

[subtle matrix]

I think some of their songs do give off a somewhat generic vibe, but I appreciate the variety. For example I also like aespa a lot but their top hits seem a bit samey to me. I get fatigued after 4 or 5 songs

[hoary frost]

I like that aespa stuck to their concept. also im surprised sm's new gg has no dramatic concept

[subtle matrix]

And I think LSF songs that don't sound as generic are heavily carried by individual contributions, like Crazy and Antifragile

[hot girder]

I like aespa but there are songs I avoid listening to, because the high notes just fuck up my ears like black mamba lol

[hoary frost]

aespa songs are addicting

[subtle matrix]

In general I don't think kpop is very originality driven

[acoustic verge]

well their depth of talent isn't that great compared to most groups. though i would say they've gotten better since debut

[hoary frost]

eh their talent is fine, I think just need more original songs

[hot girder]

huh? they're crazy good at dancing and performing

[acoustic verge]

Vocals. I'm referring to vocals

[hot girder]

ah well I think the only ones who excel at vocals are chaewon and yunjin, the others are still learning

[hoary frost]

chaewon is really good

[hot girder]

eunchae has a pretty tone I just wish she polished it more

[hoary frost]

She sounds really good and clear in all their encores
Eunchae also is improving alot I feel

[acoustic verge]

i think she's gotten better. Kazuha is pretty good considering her training period.

[hot girder]

yeah

[hoary frost]

kazuha also improved alot

[hot girder]

Smart is* my favorite era

[hoary frost]

tho I wish if not all can sing, companies still had like one insane vocalist assigned to every grouop
4th gen kinda abolished "positions"

[hot girder]

or would that be Crazy, rather? I just love the smart choreo so much lol

[clever parcel]

choices is so fire from them man

[hot girder]

https://tenor.com/view/le-sserafim-chaewon-easy-smart-kpop-gif-13329640305859220733

[acoustic verge]

Looking forward to their tour. Like someone said, they're great performers/dancers. Honestly dont even need them to sing live lol

[hoary frost]

Lol i really don't think performancesare the same without live singing

feels sad lip syncing is the norm ...even groups that sing well lipsync

[short laurel]

Kpop Concerts with or without live singing is an argument

[storm warren]

keep channel on topic. this is not #kpop-chat. thanks

[subtle matrix]

BSH is fat

[storm warren]

now thats on topic

[acoustic verge]

yes

[hot girder]

that's on brand

[subtle matrix]

This was a joke because we were told to stay on topic I don't condone fat shaming

[knotty sparrow]

results probs would be out in the next week, let's keep positive. I believe they have a chance to win it

[storm warren]

wish they did it faster, so lawyers can more to appeal process faster as well

[subtle matrix]

(This is Newjeans related so it's ok) just to finish my thought here even if you look at Newjeans I think some of their most original sounds and the singles that I think deviate the most from their style were not the most successful, including cookie which is their best song by far imo

[polar owl]

Sorry, been a bit occupied, but did Modani do a live on her birthday? She did post on Twitter, which I did read 😭

[heady gate]

yes, it was on her sister IG channel

[stiff prairie]

so what are we thinking the others will do? they can't all go on olivia's ig now can they

[tardy smelt]

story like dani did

not counting on a live still

[stiff prairie]

Haerin probably won't upload the story even 🥲

[upbeat stream]

If they were indeed prohibited from social media, going live via livvy's ig would probably violate it too, so I don't think that's the case

[tardy smelt]

i was thinking more they wouldn't be comfortable still

[silver warren]

And I missed it 💔

I’ll wait for tikkitokki to repost it ig

[polar owl]

In the last few days, I am seeing an increase in the hate train. People coming up with crazy titles in how newjeans are now finished and their fandom hates them. Why? What kind of folks are these? I feel like I need to k*ll somebody....

[high totem]

just a reminder to stay on topic, this thread is only for njz
if you want to discuss other groups go to #kpop-chat

[thorny knot]

this is still on topic huh? they are talking about dani being on livy's live on her b-day how is that not on topic of njz?

[cinder narwhal]

*x -c https://x.com/yo_lobster/status/1910688441211523105

[harsh dove]

@yo_lobster <t:1744378597:d>

I just saw this clip from today’s live where Danielle thought we were still in 2024. It probably seemed like just a cute mistake. But for me—it felt a bit deeper.

It reminded me of moments from my own past, times when things were so hard that my brain just… blocked certain memories out.

That’s something called—selective amnesia.

Intense hurt and distrust can sometimes trigger selective memory—a protective mechanism where our mind tries to erase parts of it just to survive and shield us from overwhelming pain.

Of course, I’m not saying that’s what’s happening with Dani. I’m just sharing because seeing that moment stirred something familiar that happened to me—some time ago.

Danielle’s been through a lot lately. And still, she shows up, smiles, and shares little pieces of herself with us. That kind of quiet strength… it’s powerful. And it’s human.

To anyone who felt something while watching that clip—just know you’re not alone. It’s okay if some days feel foggy. It’s okay if your mind skips over certain things. You’re healing in your own way, at your own pace.

And to Dani, if this ever finds you—thank you for simply being you. You don’t have to be perfect or polished to be loved. We see you. We believe in you. Always. 🌻☀️

[polar owl]

I mean, now she will be more worried 😅

Also, I selectively forgot that this track existed:

https://youtu.be/XEsrFIQOWZg?si=xLpKOzP5lFYpggso

[ornate zephyr]

this is a reach 🥀

[dapper root]

crack is one hell of a drug

[storm warren]

ou...thats not

imagine psychoanalyzing someone. job is needed i fear

[frozen granite]

You guys are not reading what this person is saying. They literally emphasized how they perceived it & made a connection to a personal experience of their own …

You guys are being mean for no reason

[wary creek]

hey whatever was the outcome of the hybe audit by the korean national assembly? Besides Hanni testifying, wasn't there like a controversial leaked document and talk about overworked employees

[storm warren]

it is pending

should be back on agenda after SK political scene calms down ig

[short laurel]

Hanni testimony is part of bigger older case which is still ongoing. Hybe was investigated by ministry of labour after NA revealed hybe's internal report but ministry of labour said everythings fine as expected of the corruption there.
Hybe had stocks related drama revealed in December last year whose investigation got delayed cuz of yoon incident, it'll be back on agenda after everything settled down but for that ppp needs to lose election since they seem to be connected to hybe through bsh family.

[wary creek]

dang.. newjeans vs the industry

[subtle matrix]

Reminder

[polar owl]

Any info on whether or when an appeal against the injunction would be filled?

[subtle matrix]

As soon as the objection ruling comes out I imagine

[rain spade]

Think we would even know since is private

[frozen bronze]

they probably got it ready

[short laurel]

"haerin and hyein not want to go, others are dragging them" meanwhile haerin and hyein hanging out with dani

[heady gate]

Ministry of labor is running for president. It is going to fun.

[short laurel]

he better lose. cuz he's corrupted cuz how come companies messed up internal report and employee death are not enough to disqualify hybe from top company but mhj's back biching in her private chat is bullying.

[upbeat stream]

There's no chance Lee Jae-myeong doesn't win, unless something really awful comes out about him

PPP is in the gutters due to Yoon's antics

[short laurel]

i saw video of people cheering when yoon was leaving his office. and yoon waving. and that he gets to go to his home instead of prison.

ooh his trial starting on monday.

[mild mist]

hopefully that's a quick one

[short laurel]

but why people were cheering for him. 🤦

[mild mist]

because gender

[old cypress]

incels like yoon

[upbeat stream]

He has like a 10% cult following. When they are out on the streets, that can still feel like a lot of people

[frozen granite]

Now why would they keep spreading misinformation?

[storm warren]

It does not, people love sensational/scandalous stories especially the ones that pry into other's private lives. gotta keep masses entertained by exploiting famous people's names

[ashen charm]

Imma be real with you guys if ador feels like there losing come June 5th it's gunna get 10x worse I just hope the girls stay strong 💪 🙏

[acoustic verge]

In what way?

[ashen charm]

Misinformation rumors what ever they can to gain leverage

[short laurel]

I bet their family drama is about something else entirely. N both her parents supports her in fight against hybe

[ashen charm]

It's common for the rich to bully the victims in a lawsuit

[short laurel]

Remember mhj 1st injunction. Hybe lost but how the spread betrayal word on media to damage mhj n acted like hybe won.

Expect something similar

[acoustic verge]

I think it was discussed during their first hearing. The parental rights issue. Think that's what one of the article said.

[short laurel]

Article can't be trusted. All we know is they have something going on. But no info on what's it about.

[fast snow]

Valid

[cinder narwhal]

https://www.instagram.com/imgoingxrazyrlght

is this still a faker?

the stories have that vibe or feel like what minji would post

[jade jolt]

Didn t she delete it after bunnies found out about it ? Idk im confused

[hot girder]

the handle seems to be the same as the old one, but I don't know

[winged folio]

Is it just reposting stuff that was on that original account

[cinder narwhal]

the first post don't look familiar idk

[leaden thistle]

I also saw this acc but i dont see it looks like a real acc

[unborn arrow]

I think it’s just a wannabe

[jade jolt]

~t
https://x.com/MINJICENTRAL/status/1910956776167776751

[narrow seal]

250412 MINJI CENTRAL (@​MINJICENTRAL) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/MINJICENTRAL/status/1910956776167776751
⚠️ REPORT & BLOCK ⚠️
These accounts do not belong to MINJI

🔗 https://www.instagram.com/imgoingxrazyright_?igsh=OTgwajgxdzJ1a3py

🔗 https://www.instagram.com/imgoingxrazyrlght?igsh=MWMyYXV6bmdpbjh0dQ==

Report > something about this acc > they are pretending to be someone else > block and report

[jade jolt]

~t
https://x.com/mintcarebear/status/1911266570254295096

[narrow seal]

250413 ara (@​mintcarebear) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/mintcarebear/status/1911266570254295096
even that account stole pict from og ador🗿

[grizzled summit]

omg the girls lost again???

[cinder narwhal]

how they even find the source that's as creepy as the wannabe

[storm warren]

the result of objection is not out yet. still nobody expects winning as the same judge reviews it and it is unlikely he will reverse his own decision.

[grizzled summit]

then why is everyone saying that the girls lost the ca se again?

[storm warren]

theyre dumb

[grizzled summit]

what i dont understand is why cant the girls just ask that japanese whisteblower to testify, he can easily defend their case

[storm warren]

njz pr mentioned securing witnesses are difficult bc no one wants to go against hybe. we dont know the circumstances, can just watch and see it unfold

[grizzled summit]

okay

[steep torrent]

where is that 1st pic from tho I cant find it

[upbeat stream]

Can't they ask the court to issue a subpoena for the Hanni visa issue? Ador is the only one with that info, so how on Earth did the media know the exact date on which her visa expired? I can't believe Sejong isn't even talking about it

[grizzled summit]

sejong is atp sabotaging the girls, they can use so much evidence but they arent

i wonder if ador paid them to not discuss about the things that happened to the girls

[half knot]

lol y'all need to chill, they've had a grand total of ONE hearing for the main case, a lot of this civil procedure and discovery, if they are even engaging in that at all, is going to take time and more hearings.

all of this should have been explained to the girls before they terminated their contracts.

[rugged dagger]

we are going to be in this situation for a while

[half knot]

even clearcut cases like Chuu vs. BBC took 3 years from start to finish (at the Supreme Court)

[grizzled summit]

okay

[visual siren]

someone told me that njz doesn't proven anything about the memorial ribbon, ambasador thing, bowing and plagiarized concept how do i respond to this?? Like with the actual evidence? Sorry i don't follow the case that much

I do save the thread related to it but i forgot to read

and also this

[short laurel]

Memorial ribbon. The girls were different. Context says it all. But idt people will understand.
Ambassador thing was in hybe internal report too right. The fact hybe compensated ador back then is more than enough proof needed.
Bowing incident, again it's based on context, why ador let belift check it, why it was deleted, why guard made up excuses (hanni said she has recording of it), why ador showed wrong video n kept twisting hanni's words.. hanni was talking about manager, she said that girls did bowed to her but ador keep saying "hanni lying, members did bow to her". But i doubt ppl will be able to understand all this as they've refused to do so so far.
Plagiarism thing is battle between mhj n belift n there's evidence from insider that belift indeed took her planning without her permission.

Now if that is considered plagiarism legally is hard to say. It's a gray area.

But the court battle is not about plagiarism anyways

[visual siren]

now i get it, thankyou sm 🙇🏻‍♀️

[visual siren]

what about this one? I mean it's not the girls' fault why would they go back to ador and perform in under the name of newjeans?

[storm warren]

It is the result of the injunction which ador filed against them, prohibiting them from doing entertainment activities and individual advertisements. the court ruled in favor of ador. njz halted activities in response as they do not acknowledge ador as their agency and do not plan to work under them.

however, it is temporary measure at best until the appeal process or at worst until the main lawsuit (validity of contract) is concluded.

"the result of yesterday's hearing" is not out yet. it was objection to the injunction result

[visual siren]

oh and is it true that hanni didn't even mention illit members in convo abt bowing and suddenly belift felt they know who's hanni talking abt and show the evidence?

[visual siren]

ohhhhh rightright

[storm warren]

if you mean the first livestream where hanni mentions accident, she has not mentioned group or any member or even label. the issue was manager. next day korean article mentioned illit after getting response from hybe.

as for the KKT chats shown in court, hanni's side had all names blurred while hybe/ador's side showed illit members names

[visual siren]

oohhhhh

[short laurel]

it was allkpop who mentioned illit 1st, remember allkpop is knowing for being extremely toxic to everyone other than hybe. and hybe and belift responded confirming it was illit along with many k media.

[short laurel]

the chat they submitted to court were likely not blurred. it's what njz lawyers shared in media that was censored. meanwhile the ador lawyers shared the kkt to media without censoring

[visual siren]

yeah i was talking about that one

[visual siren]

ohhh right

this helps me to understand the situation. thanks a lot guys

[analog depot]

I heard something about Newjeans losing again- is this rumours or true?

[upbeat stream]

No, the objection ruling isn't out yet although they are likely to lose that

[cinder narwhal]

where you guys getting your "news"

[storm warren]

hybe stans, the source of all misinformation on the earth

[short laurel]

anti's could've gotten news be4 us again. this is expected to lose anyways. we should know by tomorrow if ppl are screaming about it today.

[upbeat stream]

We need b milo to let us know if the outcome has been revealed to ador and njz

[cinder narwhal]

is he an insider

[short laurel]

@sage venture ?

[cinder narwhal]

btw do you regulars here check the korean news, naver or do you just rely on this thread

[short laurel]

used to. not anymore

[red thorn]

Same
I rely updates from antis now heh

[visual siren]

Already told them like you guys said

They replied, "if you really want to understand the issue, look at it entirely — from both sides — don’t just see it from NJ’s point of view.

About the black ribbon: all HYBE artists were initially restricted by HYBE, not just NJ, because the company wanted to double-check with the Japanese organizers first.

Then about the brand ambassador issue — NJ made it a problem because SSERA got the deal, but the truth is, it was the brand itself that wanted it. They had already worked with Sakura even before she was in SSERA. Because their past partnership with Sakura was beneficial, the brand wanted to work with her again. But now that Sakura is in SSERA, they couldn’t just pick her alone — the agency wanted to include the whole group, not just one member. That’s why SSERA became the brand's choice. And Source Music was confident enough to show proof if needed.

Now about the “greeting” issue — people say Hanni mentioned a manager during a livestream, right? But why did NJ’s fans jump to the conclusion it was ILLIT? When ILLIT was being attacked by NJ’s fans, the excuse was that NJ didn’t bow, or that she was disrespectful. Then BELIFT even clarified to avoid hate toward ILLIT, but NJ’s fans kept bashing them anyway.

Then in court, they brought up the bowing issue again — Hanni said she forgot and wasn’t sure about the manager. So her statement kept changing. And even ILLIT members did bow to Hanni.

That’s why NJ should’ve thought carefully before talking about the manager — was Hanni even sure or did she have proof? That ambiguous livestream statement ended up making NJ’s fans attack other groups. And if Hanni didn’t mean to mention another group, then when her fans were attacking ILLIT, she should’ve clarified to let them know not to hate unrelated groups.

And about NJ "bringing up" other groups in court — that’s a fact. NJ did mention the names SSERA and ILLIT in court, but without any solid facts or evidence. It was just accusations and assumptions. That’s why the judge said NJ’s claims weren’t valid, because there was no proof behind them. And originally, it was MHJ who first made accusations and mentioned ILLIT in a plagiarism claim — but NJ also brought it up in court, again without evidence.

Sorry, typo… What I meant was:
"That’s why it couldn’t just be Sakura, the agency wanted the whole group, not just one member…"

And also:
"…To inform the fans so they wouldn’t hate other groups…"

Sorry I repeated this because my first reply had a typo."

[upbeat stream]

He checks some court website idk. He knew that the court has notified both sides about the injunction ruling (but not what the ruling was) minutes before the media reported it.

[visual siren]

Their replies confuses me. If the idols were initially restricted and then finally wore it, why don't the agency tell njz already and wear it too? That's my question for them

[upbeat stream]

I remember my heart skipping a beat when he said that the court just now notified them (ador and njz) about the ruling. People were asking how does he know, and then minutes later, the media reports it, and the chat descends into chaos

[short laurel]

just ignore that person. he totally missed that hybe had to pay off og ador cuz of that. also he missed that it was allpop n media who mentioned illit n hybe belift confirmed it. fans hating on social media was done by both sides, they need to stop blaming other fandom while ignoing hybe.

[storm warren]

dont bring up names in court. treat them as Voldemort and maybe judge guesses the names himself

[short laurel]

it's court, they have to mention there everything. they are stupid if they think njz shouldn't say anything in court

[storm warren]

njz is allowed the voice out their grievances as they are affected party and say whoever's name they want. im sorry to inconveniences their faves. they can cry me a river

[short laurel]

also hanni didn't chage her story. they need to read her chat again at what she meant n do u know in national assembly hanni told them if there's a misunderstanding, then talk to her to clear it. why did belift didn't send that manager to clear it up then?

[storm warren]

they want njz to shut up and silently endure hell lmfao

[mild mist]

conspiracy theory - hating on social media was mostly by neither side, and was instead fuelled by those who were fans of neither group, but wanted to drag them down

[short laurel]

it's not conspiracy. aespajeans has history of changing name n pfp n joining drama to cause fanwars

[short laurel]

they always act like their idols are victim of every other kpop groups n fans but nvr blame the company.

intl fandom act like they n their chatgpt knows korean better than koreans who are translating everything for us

[visual siren]

I can't, they're totally blind i can't help it

I wonder what sources do they believe

[short laurel]

even reddit mods admitted that everything posted on reddit during injuction was machine translated. the mistranslation caused so much hate.

[hoary frost]

Try to discuss with people who are openminded and willing to converse instead of obviously biased people

[short laurel]

illit n njz both are victim here of hybe's nonsense

[hoary frost]

There are alot of people spreading misinfo and trying to change facts even if you come with sources, they twist it

I mean why are they talking about njz fans. discussion is about facts about the case. just deflection

[short laurel]

honestly if belift didn't confirmed it was illit. it would've been alot less drama n hate on this topic as be4 everyone were only making guesses.

btw we should keep in mind that legally right =/= morally right. hybe could win but that doesn't mean they'd be in the right.

[cinder narwhal]

https://x.com/wwwse0621/status/1910995304863990268

COIN (@wwwse0621) on X

빙키봉ㅋㅋㅋ

X · Apr 12, 2025, 9:55 AM

[old cypress]

kpop lightsticks making history

[short laurel]

There are 2 orb ones with ears. I m pretty sure those too belong to a kpop group

It's not nice that groups are being used for politics. Cuz regardless which side they support, sk politicians are too corrupted.

[hollow sorrel]

Did they really have a comeback planned for october/november that was scrapped? Where can I read more about this

[storm warren]

you mean Halloween singles?

[hollow sorrel]

yeah

[storm warren]

MHJ said so ig

[hollow sorrel]

I know they were suppossed to have a seoul fanmeeting that was scrapped, but I've seen people say they were suppossed to have new songs as well

[storm warren]

originally 1st full album was announced via Phoning but after everything that happened and was still going on, the plan probably changed to Halloween singles and MHJ got fired

[short laurel]

after getup in lollapaloza members said in one of many interviews that they had something big planned for next cb same year but we got nothing. i suppose they were working on full album since then. they probably had many thigns planned which got delayed cuz of internal drama with hybe that's been happening since debut.

[storm warren]

NJZ was left without executive producer since August, hence, everything was scrapped

[short laurel]

they were going to expand on song getup

fk hybe 😠

[copper jetty]

This was Ador's notification on phoning at the end of March 2024. Way before this started. I highlighted the announcement of the new album aside from the May (How Sweet) and June (Supernatural) Release.

Plus the supposedly 2025 world tour. I forgot when and what but there was a video where they highlighted places and bunnies were speculating that it was teasers for 2025 tour. I forgot what teaser was it if it was a video or a photo.

[hollow sorrel]

Yeah, I remember that teaser

https://x.com/CakeDegg/status/1909593497688277100

Cake🍀 (@CakeDegg) on X

All those cities in the teaser and that was supposed to be our world tour this year
Fuck hybe

X · Apr 8, 2025, 1:05 PM

[copper jetty]

Yeah. So fk hybe. We could've gotten that album and world tour. NJ1 will probably stay in the dungeon until they get their IP back.

[hollow sorrel]

I also remember an insider account on twitter who frequently posts “moodboards” for upcoming kpop songs/ projects posting about the korean fanmeeting.

It had a magical vibe with flowers and bubbles and stuff.

So my guess is they originally wanted to showcase their new album at the Seoul fanmeeting. Cause why would they do a fanmeet after Tokyo Dome with no new music.

[copper jetty]

True. I think also posting butterflies plus flowers??? It was so dreamy.

[hot girder]

The girls were constantly posting about cloves too

[austere widget]

right!!

[hot girder]

on phoning and instagram you'd always see a 🍀☘️, and the "amor" thing we got during one of the get up stages

we saw the girls as fairies on a very short animation as well

it all pointed towards some sort of fairy, magical vibe that we never got to see :(

[copper jetty]

Well... the only thing we could do now is just support them on whatever they decide. Idk about you guys but win or lose I'll stay by them.

Also if they decide that this is it... well, see you guys on the other side then cause I'm getting out of kpop if they're not there.

[blazing sky]

I like to say that Ill like you was heavily inspired by what could've been nj1 but I'd get hated for so bad on that opinion 💔 there's a lot of clovers and the vibe design wise if that makes sense

[copper jetty]

I don't know that album so I can't really say anything.

[hollow sorrel]

I wonder if they win, will they release NJ1 as NJZ, or wait until they get back the name NewJeans (if that's even possible)

Because I'm not scared for NJZ at all, in case you didn't know FRNK and 250 were underground hip-hop producers before they started working for the girls, so I definitely think we will be well fed with the "sharper" concepts.

[copper jetty]

The case is only about the validity of the contract though. The IP is a different matter altogether.

[hollow sorrel]

yeah, but if NJZ is too similar to NewJeans they could get sued by ADOR even if they are technically the same people

[copper jetty]

And as far as I know, if they did any writing then those NJ1 songs would've been in Ador's vault and Ador's IP

[upbeat stream]

if recorded, yeah they would belong to ador. If merely written then they belong to the songwriters

[hoary frost]

Oh I love those concepts 😢

I'm imagining something like oh my girl early songs

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/MinotaurKard/status/1911467987728826749

[narrow seal]

250413 Mino (@​MinotaurKard) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/MinotaurKard/status/1911467987728826749
The "subreddit" is 100% ran by the antis and even convinced some k bnz - very few mind you - to join their side. I have the post of them discussing on when to send the trucks, where to send the money, what the messages should be etc. It is 100% an ANTI BNZ space where they spend all their time hating on the members

I also hope that if the members decide to attend another cafe for their birthday event, they bring in security guards and managers

[acoustic verge]

Smh how sad these people's lives must be.

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/gemminji/status/1911479043322683739

[narrow seal]

250413 젬 (@​gemminji) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/gemminji/status/1911479043322683739
guys please, this is urgent. report this account, it already has 116k likes and almost 10k shares. the comments are seriously nasty. tokkis who don’t have tiktok, please download it first , we can’t let this slide, seriously. for tokkis with big tiktok accounts, you can help too by making a video saying this account is spreading dangerous lies

[short laurel]

a woman trying to harm woman in a society where women already have hard time. smh. how shameless.

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/Liasshy/status/1911493895315423688

[narrow seal]

250413 Lia ✮ (@​Liasshy) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/Liasshy/status/1911493895315423688
The face of the dc gallery newjeans anti

[deft willow]

Couldn't this be interpreted as some form of incitement if we are showing people's faces?

[clever parcel]

juantokki on twitter

[heady gate]

https://www.reddit.com/r/NJZ/comments/1jt9lou/mhj_contract_november_2021_present_day_the_carrot/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

It is a fun reading. We read her previous posts prior.

[hollow sorrel]

snper spreading rumors that hyein chose mhj over her father and antis believing it I really hope Team Bunnies can do something that incel needs to …

[grizzled summit]

why are people saying that bunnies apologised to ador ceo, and why are they saing that the objection HAS A RESULT.

[tall plover]

Constant media play, don’t mind them and keep waiting for the court cases. Mass report any threads blatantly lying about them.

A lot of these posts are botted so you can’t do much tbh

[mild mist]

Is this the fanfiction writers again

[tall plover]

Yes lol

[short laurel]

even in our wildest dreams we won't apologies to that hybe puppet.

[compact creek]

if i ever apologize or defend hybe just shoot me

[upbeat stream]

Do we know when the custody case began?

[cerulean lake]

never will i apologize to a company who willingly ostracizes a group, uses their financial, political, and legal connections to start a whole witch hunt against the girls and people who they were close to, hide behind a fake facade to try and convince the girls to come back to them while pretending that they were trying to do everything in their best interest for them, and then try to do several other actions that try to make them look like they are the good guys

these companies don’t deserve shit when they just perpetuate the reasons as to why the entertainment industry sucks 🤮

[red thorn]

Silly people, telling people who believe they aren't in the wrong to apologize

[cerulean lake]

lolz those people who start those stupid trends/hashtags to apologize to the ceo are the people enabling these companies to do wtv they want. bet they would be complaining if the same bs happened to their fav groups 👀

[mild mist]

Poor ceo-chan she just wanted to be loved without doing anything to deserve it

[short laurel]

ceo-chan lol

[cinder narwhal]

writing about wanting ceo to die and khs is worth apologizing over.
supporting njz over them is not.

[short laurel]

I m waiting for "poor bsh, bunnies boolied him so much that he lost weight"

[short laurel]

These anti's are the ones wishing these horrible things to girls on reddit.

[cinder narwhal]

idk are we still talking about the same thing

daum people were the one who apologized to kjh

[short laurel]

I've not seen bunnies going that far towards kjh.

[red thorn]

Is there other context that currently happening?

[cinder narwhal]

i swear sniper22 is the most up to date account if you want to be updated on everything newjeans, pro and anti

[subtle matrix]

Mostly anti though lol

[craggy skiff]

I worry these incel could make some trouble for hyein's birthday event.
One of them even sent dani a harassing letter in the yesterday event

[cinder narwhal]

https://x.com/Snper22/status/1910832982379679753 context

Sniper22 (@Snper22) on X

The #NewJeans fan community on Cafe Daum have issued an apology to ADOR CEO Kim Joo-young for the "crude and excessive" hate comments they have made about her. (Likely because legal action has been taken)
https://t.co/XlumSISUNM

X · Apr 11, 2025, 11:10 PM

[red thorn]

Ah I see

[hoary frost]

I thought they are supposed to be taking action against njz defamers

https://x.com/Liasshy/status/1907935712844104162

Lia ✮ (@Liasshy) on X

Newjeans/NJZ 8 years of mistreatment timeline of events simplified

updated version 2017-2025

Source music enforces a harsh schedule on Minji, her dorm is infested with cockroaches, they pressure her to quit school and lose her education

X · Apr 3, 2025, 11:18 PM

[copper current]

I think the timeline is good but we should categorize the mistreatment and attack that Hybe/Ador did such as bully (noodle bully case, Hanni was pressured for her visa, work place bully, etc.) then privacy mistreatment such as leaking the girl's privacy, leaking visa information, etc. then we have category such as intentions to harm by leaking their whearaout in Italy (emphaszing that they travel alone etc.), I think that by categorizing the list of bully, and harm, it will be easier for the judge to see the severe of the situations. Just listing the mistreatment is not enough, we have to organize and categorize the attacks together with the law and act and violation

[short laurel]

you really think they would? it's just lip service. they are taking actions againts people attacking ador instead.

[short laurel]

i think teambunnies handled all this. they shared them with girls lawyers too

[subtle matrix]

intentions to harm by leaking their whearaout in Italy

How is hybe involved in this? Wasn't it some random tokki sharing it on twitter?

[copper current]

Tenasia wrote article about the girl whereabout emphasizing that they are alone without their parents

[subtle matrix]

And how is hybe involved in it?

[short laurel]

tenasia wrote alot of articles attacking njz, waaaay tooo much than normal. so people assume they are paid by hybe to do mediaplay.

either way. the fact that they know this is only possible through stalking. which is illegal so tenasia will be in trouble if they get sued.

[hoary frost]

Yep i am being sarcastic lol

[copper current]

https://x.com/webelieveinbots/status/1911723438420427157

webelieveingwarosa (@webelieveinbots) on X

#Hybe paid accounts are spreading information about where the girls might be to antis, last year an anti and a fan of another Hybe girlgroup threatened to kill #NJZ and brought a knife to an event he knew NJZ would attend

X · Apr 14, 2025, 10:09 AM

[upbeat stream]

They need to hire security asap

[short laurel]

@copper jetty can u send email about this to njz parents n lawyers and teambunnies? this is very serious. this and the anti givign dani hate letter.

[cinder narwhal]

idk why they're blaming sniper for this, it's literally a repost of team bunnies

if anything blame them for putting it out there

[short laurel]

open the twitter and c 2nd and 3rd pic.

[cinder narwhal]

lol old pics 🥱

i remember first seeing it during Tokyo dome

[short laurel]

old? i didn't hear about it be4 but it's messed up to bring knifes ot harm others.

[cinder narwhal]

point is it's a team bunnies repost why blame sniper

[short laurel]

other 2 pics are team bunnies repost?

[cinder narwhal]

why is it always so hard talking to you

[short laurel]

and teambunnies only posted cafe for birthday. it's sniper who made it weird. so we are not supposed to blame sniper ?

[upbeat stream]

zyx the intent of team bunnies and sniper are very different

[copper jetty]

The knife pic was from Tokyo dome i think. Mhj put extra security on the girls because of this. I'll read the tweet first when I get home. I don’t know what the context is.

[short laurel]

girls not have that protection anymore though 😦

[cinder narwhal]

i dont see him rallying antis to bring knives to the cafes?

[copper jetty]

He's encouraging antis to go to the place by advertising it though?

[empty halo]

them and their parents must've hired the appropriate security that they require, I don't think that's something we should be worried about since obviously they must be aware of security risks

[short laurel]

look at sniper account twts and c what he says. that will make u understand that accounts intent.

[cinder narwhal]

i mean it's not like a big secret team bunnies posted it

if someone really wants to they wont need sniper to do harm

[copper jetty]

It's not a big secret but let's just say the target demographics that sees team bunnies tweets isn't the same as snipers' target audience. One has malice, the other one doesn't.

[upbeat stream]

What else would his followers do if they know the exact spots njz could visit? Not necessarily bring knives, but they can certainly behave dangerously or give inappropriate letters to them. Sniper has a very large following, it definitely amplifies it

[cinder narwhal]

you give antis too much credit

[upbeat stream]

They seemed to have no security at all for Dani's birthday cafe. Hope they have realized how necessary it is, or perhaps team bunnies can let them know

[empty halo]

one of them did hand Danielle a letter so.... K-incels are next level they literally donated and spent money on a truck

[upbeat stream]

as in?

[copper jetty]

Idk if we can report snipers' tweets though since it's basically a ss of team bunnies'. But I do hope their parents provide enough security, if the girls are planning to go again

[copper jetty]

Wait what??? I haven't been tuned in this past few days but antis did WHAT????

[cinder narwhal]

that's what I'm saying

[empty halo]

I guess they didn't want to intimidate fans but it's important I hope they have more security if Hyein visits a birthday café

[short laurel]

sniper posted about this too

[cinder narwhal]

sorry if it went off topic but that was just my point

[empty halo]

I think there's a tweet if you scroll up, an anti whos on forums that hate on njz went to Danielles birthday café pretending to be a fan and handed her a letter

[upbeat stream]

We should contact team bunnies to let the girls and event organizers know, so that they can improve security. Don't even bother with twitter reporting lol. If you want to, report nsfw accounts, that actually works (sometimes)

[empty halo]

@copper jetty https://x.com/Liasshy/status/1911464918328463440?t=QAoTcwc_G-0hR3Uxfz_X8A&s=19

Lia ✮ (@Liasshy) on X

Urgent spread everywhere 🚨

A newjeans anti has been identified from the DC gallery and was stalking the members near the cafe

They are a active member in the forum and actively hate on newjeans

X · Apr 13, 2025, 5:02 PM

they either need more security and to stop accepting letters or not go to fan cafés

[cinder narwhal]

yk what it might have happened but idk if i believe everything in that thread to be true. we dont even know if the face who was exposed is them. if the encircled hands are theirs, the angle is awkward af

fighting misinfo with misinfo is not it

[empty halo]

see the face, its just speculation however an anti did post the picture of their hand at the fan café and claimed to have given a letter to her

[cinder narwhal]

ahh

[empty halo]

that's a claim that they gave, its incels you never know what they'll do

[empty halo]

the second picture here is a ss from an anti nwjns forum

[short laurel]

would normally ignore lia but the posts exists in anti forum

[empty halo]

yeah idk much about the people on nwjns twt but it's a clear ss from a forum so

[copper jetty]

If you posted things on the forum that doesn't necessarily make things true though. Idk i take this with a grain of salt. Just because they posted they did it doesn't necessarily mean what they posted about is true and if it is, they need to get a job cause that is just

[copper current]

https://x.com/PoppyKPoppie/status/1911746610482323634

PoppyKPoppie (@PoppyKPoppie) on X

njz getting so much hate because kpop stans are jealous. that's basically it. that's the root cause. and that's not going to disappear for as long as njz continues to get what they want their idols to have.

X · Apr 14, 2025, 11:41 AM

[copper jetty]

https://x.com/PoppyKPoppie/status/1911590238981611637?t=WcgVkNv40VREVdH3tc7d2w&s=33

Is koreaboo delulu though? I haven't seen anyone apologize to KJY. Like it's one thing to media play about the idols and their families, but media playing the fans???

PoppyKPoppie (@PoppyKPoppie) on X

not one bunny apologized. stop this bullshit.

X · Apr 14, 2025, 1:20 AM

[subtle matrix]

Is the face in the first photo supposed to be the "anti"?

[empty halo]

if they posted it theres a possibility they were there but it is possible they never gave a letter, well they hopefully didn't atleast

[empty halo]

um apparently but I think its stupid to speculate on the persons face and make guesses bc it could be a random person

[copper jetty]

What i meant was them giving a letter. That detail may or may not be true.

[empty halo]

oh yeah exactly I agree

[copper jetty]

Or even if they did give a letter it being a hate letter is also questionable.

[empty halo]

if they hang around in a forum that sent the truck I wouldn't doubt the letter at least asking the members to go back to HYBE or something

[upbeat stream]

They need to stop taking letters directly from fans. Let team bunnies collect them as they already do

[subtle matrix]

But like the hand clearly isn't theirs. Or is the first pic a collage lol

[empty halo]

idk man im not the one who made the tweet

[subtle matrix]

Person is holding their phone with their right hand
Other hand is also a right hand

So unless this is a collage or the person has two right hands I think this is a classic internet witch hunt

[empty halo]

bro they were tryna find the person who TOOK the second picture in the tweet and posted it in the forum, look at the right hand in this pic. A pic of that hand was posted, person w a cam right behind the hand is that lady

[short laurel]

Lia post most of the time is to be ignored.
Main issue is there's someone whose face we don't know who participates in anti's forum also went to dani's bday cafe n showed off in that forum about it.

[empty halo]

Yeah right

[short laurel]

CTO?

[wise wagon]

its sick what antis are doing nowadays, they really crossed the line and its crazy how nobody is calling them out :[

[short laurel]

I saw a tiktok. New groups debut performance at mushow. Top comment a 7 hating on bunnies with "bunnies" replying saying sorry.
In comment section there was zero bunnies or njz

[compact creek]

rent free

[dusk niche]

Lmao i love haters fighting fake comments

[leaden thistle]

the internet becoming internet

[hollow sorrel]

https://x.com/soyamoyas/status/1911964730878792180?s=46&t=rG1o-Bkd-GgDMGG_CtSg2Q

soy 🏎️🏁 {slow mode} (@soyamoyas) on X

‼️ EXPOSE THREAD: HYBE PRODUCER ATTACKS NEWJEANS MASCOT

FRANTS is a Hybe producer for Belift groups - Illit, Enhypen - and Source Music group Le Sserafim

He posted himself attacking Bunini. - Newjeans’ mascot - and wrote “Am Good”

Exposing This mf

X · Apr 15, 2025, 2:08 AM

don’t these idiot hybe employees realize this can make njz’s court case easier? TT

[thick glade]

they're secretly bunnies and that's exactly what they're doing lmao

[cinder narwhal]

https://x.com/hahagatung/status/1911942768546693408

할말 (@hahagatung) on X

(ENG) [Case Summary] Coordinated Targeting and Forced Apology Incident Involving NJZ Fans

1. Incident Overview
In April 2025, a number of NJZ (NewJeans) fans were publicly criticized on a major Korean online forum (ㅇㅇㅇㅇ) for their comments. A wave of backlash led to demands

X · Apr 15, 2025, 12:40 AM

[cinder narwhal]

🥱 isn't there bigger fish to fry

[steel depot]

it just shows how threatened they're of njz

[wary creek]

lol i saw a kpop reddit post where title was: i think newjeans ruined kpop

[compact creek]

the switchup and posts demonizing njz will never fail to make me laugh

[hoary frost]

Why tf are they saying sorry?

[hoary frost]

Hahaha what was the reasoning?

[wary creek]

something about the newjeans fandom being toxic and the cause of all the plagiarism accusations lol

[hoary frost]

Kpop got ruined because of a few plagiarism accusations?

Lol

[hollow sorrel]

tiktok influencer Becca Bloom made a video about gossip and social sabotage and my mind immediately clicked to NJZ this is exactly what they are going through right now

[short laurel]

those people like kpop where idols are exploited. that's why for them njz ruined kpop for them.

[hoary frost]

Ofc. They should stop using flowery language and say it outright. Because how hard they deflect, it's impossible to make any sense of what they are saying

[short laurel]

u know when lil 7 is involved it never makes sense. 🤷‍♂️

[hoary frost]

I hope they get their comeback soon so they can stop being so bored

[short laurel]

it's annoying whenever new group debuts tiktok start showing kpop. how many they want me to block be4 they stop this

[hoary frost]

I interact with let's say just some pics of idol but then my timeline gets toxic and full of drama queens

[wary creek]

they blame tokkies for a lot of things

[radiant scaffold]

Do they have another mascot? I remember their mascot was the one which looked like their album cover bunny. And when i search bunini its the little plushies made in collaboration with line.

[hollow sorrel]

No, but the timing of the video is what’s really suspicious. It’s the day after ComplexCon, when NJZ announced their hiatus a HYBE producer posts a video jumping at a bunny, and the caption saying “I’m good”

it doesn’t look like a huge deal, but after everything that went down I wonder how many of these coincidences HYBE can keep getting away with

And just imagine if the roles were reversed.
If MHJ posted a video of jumping on BTS/Lsf/ILLIT mascot if they had one, the internet would go mad.

[radiant scaffold]

Hmm, that's true.

[short laurel]

How many times is hybe going to do micro aggression like these. How much will it take for court to accept that the company is indeed abusive.

These are nothing burger individually but combining...

[hollow sorrel]

Exactly. I really hope NJZ lawyers have the comments on blind (hybe worker’s social forum) along with ILLIT’s choreographer saying the forced retro is not it during Tokyo Dome, and probably a lot more we don’t know about.

Hopefully they can use it in court

[craggy skiff]

lol. remind me about the time she like the illit kalguksu video

hybe stan call her is a snake trying to create new drama 😆

[craggy skiff]

hard to say
If the court don't see hybe CEO could affect ador CEO so I don't think some hybe employee behaviour could prove anything

"it's only personal opinion, that not show company attitude"

[wary creek]

yeah true

[copper current]

https://x.com/MinotaurKard/status/1912052929445634153

Mino (@MinotaurKard) on X

So to recap the past two days..

We have one of HYBE's in house producer attacking the mascot, recording it, and then posting it.

An active member of a NJZ hate forum stalking the girls at the birthday cafe who then uploaded the picture, and a fan of HYBE's groups going to

X · Apr 15, 2025, 7:58 AM

[thorny knot]

can the members and bunnies get a break for once please

[thorny knot]

Nah fr

[hollow sorrel]

when is HYBE going to the national assembly for being associated with cyber wreckers???

[raven kelp]

unless that person trying to sell the autograph has a history of hating on the girls, it's not really weird is it?

[short laurel]

sniper used that to insult njz i think he was the 1st source. so that's the reason ppl assuming seller is hater

[cinder narwhal]

people just wanna witchhunt 🥱 maybe they're bored

[craggy skiff]

they keep bring some random new shjt
so tired

[thorny knot]

Anything to make sure they keep newjeans for the money

[craggy skiff]

I blocked sniper then other account capture his shjty post and spreading all my wall

[thorny knot]

Damn you were unfortunate enough to get that pos on your feed rip

We try not to talk about them as much as possible but yeah fuck sniper

[craggy skiff]

same think with this mascot thing. it won't give us any advantage in court but our fandom keep spreading it
Yes, I understand they are reasonable to angry because of his action
But lol, can not have a peaceful day without random hate people bring up.

if this is hybe strategy, I have to admit that they succeeded.

[cinder narwhal]

finally someone with the same sentiments

[raven kelp]

yeah well "assumptions" best to ignore these

[grizzled summit]

Any updates

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/soyamoyas/status/1912058652254720126

[narrow seal]

250415 soy 🏎️🏁 {slow mode} (@​soyamoyas) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/soyamoyas/status/1912058652254720126
FRANTS HAS DELETED THE POST INSTEAD OF APOLOGIZING

Seems he’ll be protected again by HYBE COO (Belift CEO), hybe chairman and hybe chro (ador ceo) again.

Downloadable video proof from his Instagram here:

[short laurel]

Regardless, it is true that her autograph is being sold n it's sad to c. it happens in every fandom but still not nice ti c.

[hollow sorrel]

is mhj's second hearing for the shareholders' agreement tomorrow

[mild mist]

Has reddit told us when the two minute hate will be?

[subtle matrix]

April 17

[stable escarp]

oh wow time moves fast. already second hearing?

[hollow sorrel]

People on twitter have pointed it out and turns out it was actually NewJeans’ merch/used to promote NewJeans

[hoary frost]

hahahaha thats so pathetic

[radiant scaffold]

Ohh ok

[empty halo]

frants situation is obviously a display of how multiple people in that building have a vendetta against nwjns and how uncomfortable it must be for them, but also isn't that video just the goofiest most embarrassing thing ever, i cant help but find it funny

grown ass man jumping on a big plushy bc he hates that big plushy

what a loser

[wary creek]

attacking a toy is super lame lol

[marble cape]

is that katseye?

[hollow sorrel]

yeah it seems they visited this pop up / event

[thorny knot]

I don’t want to sound like an ahole but at this point if the judge doesn’t rule in favor of the girls after all that’s happened in this past week then they better keep themselves safe cause Ik there are some crazy “bunnies” who’d go after them

[frozen granite]

What’s happening with NJZ?

[vital orbit]

*x -c https://x.com/newjified/status/1912180939712532497?t=xC9LwMS8QgILVtz7OFiqzw&s=19

[harsh dove]

@newjified <t:1744734437:d>

1,000 DAYS WITH NJZ

[old ingot]

Saw this pic and was scared it was LSF who did smth, since they used to be good buddies off of what we've seen (and supported/loved eachothers music) but what in the actual fuck is that producer doing 💀

[craggy skiff]

Yes. I feel it is more funny than frustrated.
What a childish and cowardly

[craggy skiff]

Lol. After he deleted his story, hybe stan trying to cover it and use his support njs post 2 year ago to said bunnies is make up lie

[thorny knot]

of course they did, they realize that this only exposes hybe more for the shitty company they are

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/Lesbiantokkis/status/1912259615468683694

[narrow seal]

250415 Mina (@​Lesbiantokkis) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/Lesbiantokkis/status/1912259615468683694
I feel like since the injunction with just been undergoing mass gaslighting from these ppl. Bc wtf do you mean NJZ hate train isn’t that bad. People tried to get Hanni deported, are spreading rumors ab hyeins family, stalked them, and attempted to assault them.

[cinder narwhal]

bunnies are overly sensitive, to the detriment of everyone

[cinder narwhal]

😭

[wary creek]

the hate and mistreatment right now would probably have to be a separate suit. The current one is about ador and issues that happened in the past

[copper jetty]

"Symbolically abusing" is wild

[waxen musk]

#1231839760759263232 message

[narrow seal]

Message linked

message posted on <t:1741363986:f>

from ashbash159

UPCOMING:

• Awaiting injunction objection hearing result
• April 17 – MHJ’s second hearing for the shareholders' agreement
• May 2 - MHJ's third hearing against Belift
• May 26 - MHJ vs Employee B second hearing
• May 30 – MHJ’s second hearing against Source Music
• June 5 - ADOR vs MHDHH: Exclusive contract validation trial second hearing

OLD:

• March 7 - Injunction hearing
• March 14 - Deadline for submission of evidence after March 7 injunction hearing
  - March 14 – MHJ’s second hearing against Source Music. DELAYED
• March 17 - MHJ vs Employee B
• March 21 - Injunction granted
• April 3 – ADOR vs NJZ: Exclusive contract validation trial first hearing
• April 9 - Injunction objection hearing
  [Jump to message](#1231839760759263232 message)

[waxen musk]

When we gonna pin this?

Been a week already

[cinder narwhal]

apply as mod so you can pin it yourself

[dapper root]

too many pins in this damn thread

ill remove one to add one

[copper current]

https://x.com/A_MaizingBlue/status/1912248900062441566

AmaizingBlue (@A_MaizingBlue) on X

If I say the plan is to demonize the fanbase to the point they stay silent so they can mediaplay unchecked.

X · Apr 15, 2025, 8:57 PM

[cinder verge]

how is dani on the cover of spur i thought they werent allowed to do stuff like that

[mental lynx]

Well it says NewJeans on the cover

[copper current]

https://x.com/lanistarfish/status/1912286536306958463

1 | MHDHH▫️ (@lanistarfish) on X

Njz goes on hiatus, they handpick low view/interaction comments to attack the fanbase. I hope we realize we kind of are a bit of a shield for Njz so we need to continue to correct misinfo & call ppl out. Hybes Pr is relentless.

X · Apr 15, 2025, 11:26 PM

[cinder verge]

do u think she did that photoshoot while under ador or during that njz period

[mental lynx]

probably while still being under ador

[cinder narwhal]

or shoot was planned before they left ador, but was done after

i swear if bunnies attack spur or ador for this

critical thinking has left the chat

[fleet nebula]

it left a long time ago

[cinder narwhal]

i find myself agreeing with sniper these days what in the world maybe I'm just so tired of bunnies

[craggy skiff]

nope. sniper is trash. No a single word from his mouth can be trusted, I hope he could di* slowly in the most painful way
But yes, bunnies is a little overreact. We should calm down instead of spreading shjt, especially when the girls is in their resting time. But it's tough when even big X accounts get involved in this mess

[hot girder]

talking about critical thinking yet agreeing with sniper

lol lmao XD

[jade jolt]

Sniper can t be trusted hes an anti pretending to be a Tokki always spreading miss information and leaking personal information about the girls

[empty halo]

are you tired of bunnies or are you tired of the few select bunnies that people like sniper put on blast to make the entire fandom seem insane?

[cinder narwhal]

I'm tired of bunnies who make a fuss about small things even if it doesn't help the members cause. Just noise

[cinder narwhal]

might be the latter. the girls are chilling living life letting their lawyers do the work. fans should do the same lol

[empty halo]

its a massive fandom with millions of people, there's simply gonna be some that are gonna be outraged at everything and they're gonna be loud, we should just avoid and ignore them and not give them the attention they crave

[upbeat stream]

Sniper said this just yesterday lol

When a BTS member did the same thing

[storm warren]

lmfao gotta ignore how danielle hugged female fans as well bc it does not fit narrative

[storm warren]

maybe u need to reevaluate yourself and your values. imagine agreeing w anything that misogynist and racist says

[storm warren]

and thats what hybe wants. they hate team bunnies doing all that work and fandom opposing their mediaplay efforts. we are not monolith, those who need to distance themselves shall do so

[craggy skiff]

he hug 1000 fan, 100 times worse

[hollow sorrel]

a compilation of belift staff acting shady/weird towards NJZ and og ador

7 instances is crazy…

[wary creek]

so the lawsuit is njz vs ador right? I'm wondering if the judge recognizes the new ador as a puppet of hybe and therefore hybe actions should be held responsible

[subtle matrix]

I hope he could di* slowly in the most painful way

But yes, bunnies is a little overreact.

Yes I would say so I feel for the girls I truly do, it must suck to have to put a pause on your passion and not have any idea when you'll be able to return. But like let's maybe not wish painfull deaths on people. People are a bit too emotionally invested

[short laurel]

sniper and aespajeans made really weird disgusting comment in the past about hanni n now this about dani. many anti's made even worse comments. after these many just lost any little bit on sympathy left for these account and so now bunnies hate them to the core and going extreme too.

[upbeat stream]

Why not?

I won't say it here or on any social media because rules, but in my heart? Absolutely

[subtle matrix]

I mean you can. I think it's completely unhinged but that's just my opinion

[upbeat stream]

Sniper literally called them pros***s once, he and aespannjeans have repeatedly sexualized members, some of whom being minors, for no reason. They deserve no sympathy

[red thorn]

Maybe change di* to pooping

[craggy skiff]

I'm not too emotional for that wish
Sniper is the dirtiest and most filthy thing I even know.
Even if I call some bunnies to overreact, their actions still come from something that really bad happens.
But snipper? His job is to make up fake news from nothing. He calls them making money just by a random selfie with a random guy, make up a whole story to blame hyein that her family divorce bcs of her...
People could believe on karma but I not since this shjt still alive very well and continue spread fake news on them every day

Btw, look like we got objection result.
Not diff from what we predict, still same decision

https://x.com/yonhaptweet/status/1912418222101709123

연합뉴스 (@yonhaptweet) on X

법원, 뉴진스 이의신청 기각…'독자활동 금지' 결정 유지
https://t.co/OP3Kfxwmmm

X · Apr 16, 2025, 8:10 AM

[shy schooner]

Got to wait until next court date in June

[upbeat stream]

At least it was quick, now they can appeal it

[knotty sparrow]

good, it's time for revenge

[faint oyster]

If they appeal now, when will the result be available at the earliest?

[storm warren]

May-June

[empty halo]

sniper is a misogynistic incel

he targets teenagers on the internet, lets not make him out to just be some dumb internet guy, hes an objectively SHIT human being

people saying they want misogynistic incels to die online is nothing crazy lmao atleast imo

[storm warren]

njz filed an appeal

[hoary frost]

ok, so what now?

[knotty sparrow]

https://fixupx.com/sheepymcsheepy/status/1912443077152895048?t=ZhNzYYReTa5tqtAj2TUcZw&s=19

Sheepymcsheep (@sheepymcsheepy)

NJZ files for an appeal immediately after the objection's dismissal.
︀︀
︀︀NJZ fighting 💪
︀︀
︀︀m.entertain.naver.com/article/009/0005477610

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FixupX · Apr 16, 2025, 9:48 AM

[knotty sparrow]

they submitted an appeal to higher court

[hoary frost]

Why are we doing hate train olympics even?

[cinder narwhal]

is the precedent about an actress terminating her contract because of a change in manager in the higher courts?

[hoary frost]

See, 1 or 2 you could brush off as coincidence
But the way they keep on making these weird microaggressions time and time again

[cinder verge]

when is the appeal

[ornate zephyr]

another newjeans legal setback 😬

[subtle matrix]

This isn't a setback, it was completely expected. What's weird is that they were even forced to do this before they could appeal

[steep torrent]

just saw they needed to file an objection before they can appeal, I was wondering why

[old cypress]

Nice that was quick

[subtle matrix]

Hmm I can't think of a good reason for it. Probably just serves as a way to prolong the process and give the higher courts more time

[red thorn]

Seems necessary to lay the foundation/record for appeal, maybe clearer to review from the judge's pov too

[copper current]

https://x.com/CakeDegg/status/1912429639546614105

Cake🍀 (@CakeDegg) on X

Right on the 1000days hehe judge don’t play too much golf

X · Apr 16, 2025, 8:55 AM

and they say this is not Hybe, this judge is paid very well to release the news on NJZ 1000 days, well, we know who is paid with golf and girls and money now,

https://x.com/sheepymcsheepy/status/1912430276376162743

Sheepymcsheep (@sheepymcsheepy) on X

Finally, we can move on to the appeal. Useless judge could've saved us all some time if he announced the decision earlier.

X · Apr 16, 2025, 8:58 AM

from now on, called this first judge the useless judge is a good way or called bribed judge

[wary creek]

looking at the korean comments of the kbs news, looks like korean citizen sentiments are against njz as well

[hoary frost]

Feel really bad for the girls, all this drama for mhj tsk

[knotty sparrow]

I think it's just some haters, probs paid comments. I believe general people in korean still support them.

[wary hearth]

of their recent injunction?

ohh i’ve heard 2 very different answers on that so i’m not sure

[subtle matrix]

I don't think so

Should be in 1-2 months I imagine

[wary hearth]

really? i heard someone say 2025-2026, or sometime in june

i think we won’t really know for sure yet, idk

[hoary frost]

why would you assume i'm trolling, its my opinion and how i see this mess. I can like their music but not their decision making

[storm warren]

May-June is what I read among kfans. 2026 is reach

Main lawsuit will probably be concluded in 2026

[old cypress]

May/june is what team bunnies said

while it's an appeal it's still an injunction so it's not a lengthy trial

[waxen musk]

I'm glad the objection result only took a week and not any longer. Now we can move on to the appeal process.
By the way the schedule for hearings and everything is pinned now, and I just updated it.

[storm warren]

appeal will be our last hope until first instance ruling of main lawsuit.

[old cypress]

yeah last hope for njz activities

[storm warren]

[old cypress]

unless they can appeal to the supreme court? idk how it works

[storm warren]

this is supreme court

[old cypress]

thought it was just a different judge

[storm warren]

different judge bc it is supreme court

[ashen charm]

6 months to a year

https://x.com/PoppyKPoppie/status/1912460157285724247

PoppyKPoppie (@PoppyKPoppie) on X

njz is currently in two lawsuits. only two lawsuits.

the main lawsuit: for the court to determine their contract validity concluded its first hearing with the next one scheduled in june.

the injunction lawsuit: the injunction request was granted to ador making it unable for njz

X · Apr 16, 2025, 10:56 AM

[storm warren]

oh okay. so district court > high court > supreme court. objection went to the same district court, but appeal goes to high court?

[ashen charm]

damn the appeal looks alot more in our odds but the injunction could take 1 year ...

[old cypress]

you're right it's 3 judges. Interesting

more judges = less chances of bias

[waxen musk]

Where are you getting the injunction appeal taking a year from?

[waxen musk]

Oh fuck that. I was hoping for a lot quicker. We all knew the main lawsuit would take a long time but the injunction appeal... I didn't expect that.

[old cypress]

it's an injunction so things should be faster I think? I'm gonna stick with what team bunnies said since they consulted with lawyers

[ashen charm]

but team bunnies say they could be as soon as june

[stable escarp]

Wait the results are out??? wth

Oh its nothing different from what was expected

[waxen musk]

Well I don't ever know what to expect which I why I mainly stopped yapping. Just gonna get what we're given lol and live with it.

Not knowing dates of things is frustrating though. Like even this objection result, we didn't know it would only take a week. But I'm glad it was only a week and not longer.

[stable escarp]

Outta sight, outta mind

[storm warren]

since they consult actual lawyers, i choose to believe their words

[waxen musk]

Oh yeah I read that before. Not sure why suddenly the 6m-1y date lol. Yeah best to listen to Team Bunnies above all else, if you're gonna listen to anyone at all (prob best not to expect anything based on what anyone says).

[ashen charm]

its 6 to 1 year non expedited i assume

[waxen musk]

So injunction was granted 21 March and injunction objection hearing was 9 April.
19 days.
So injunction objection result being 16 April + 19 days = 5 May for objection appeal hearing???
Then some weeks after that we'll still be in May, for a result at the earliest, right?
(I know it probably doesn't work like that)

[storm warren]

if appeal to HC fails then appeal to SC

[old cypress]

I think the 6m/1y is for normal trials. This is an injunction so things are a lil different

[wary hearth]

is it that if they lose this they have to return back to ador?

[waxen musk]

They won't ever go back, they can't force them.

[ashen charm]

appeal is good although it hasnt looked the best maybe we can turn it around prob not

[empty halo]

nope not at all but if they lose the main lawsuit they'll have to pay a fine though I think?

[waxen musk]

Appeal is considerably better chance of a different (favourable) result simply because of it being more in depth and different judges.

[empty halo]

and that's it they'll be free to do whatever after that

[old cypress]

they have to pay for legal fees and probably damages too

and if they terminate their contracts they'll have to pay penalties too

[waxen musk]

If they fully lose, they will have to pay. If they can't or don't want to pay, they'll have to wait until their contract naturally expires in 2029 before being allowed to work.

[empty halo]

yes so they'll js have to pay alot of money if they lose I guess

[waxen musk]

• Appeal granted: they can work again (May/June/July at earliest)
• Appeal denied: appeal to Supreme Court
• Supreme Court appeal granted: they can work again (later this year)
• Supreme Court appeal denied: wait until main lawsuit concludes (a very long time to wait)
• Main lawsuit win: they can work again
• Main lawsuit lose: they will pay fines to be able to work again
• Don't pay fines: wait until contract expires in 2029

[storm warren]

Seoul High Court appeal denied, then they can appeal to Supreme Court, but SC might not pick up the case at all

[stiff prairie]

see y'all in 2029

[old cypress]

We don't know if the appeal is with the high court or if they can appeal to the supreme court

[waxen musk]

I dunno either. Just updated that little list above with that to be thorough.

[old cypress]

I googled quickly earlier and the appeal could very well be with the district court

[storm warren]

i checked article, the appeal is with High Court. I doubt one can skip hierarchy and go to straight to SC

[old cypress]

ah okay my bad then

[craggy skiff]

They must continues work as newjeans I think?

[waxen musk]

They could work as NewJeans under ADOR at any point in this process, but that's not happening so they would rather not work than go back to an abusive company.

I don't know why it has to be said over and over again. Some people refuse to understand that they are never going back.

[storm warren]

ador will probably file damages lawsuit like attrakt did to 5050

[leaden thistle]

A rlly deep discussion wow

[leaden thistle]

Is ok for them to refuse to understand, they rather say they are annoying rn, and say just go back to hybe and everything settled

[craggy skiff]

I just thought about how to reduce their pay ☝️
After the latest insta story, no way the girl choice to go back that hell

[short laurel]

people who want girls to go back to ador only care about content and not about artists.

[stiff prairie]

this tbh

[copper jetty]

also with all the things that that other subsidiary company did to the girls and Ador with Hybe not doing anything but encourage what was happening, idk how a fan would want them to go back there. Like no.

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/pouchwonki/status/1912392753453117489

[narrow seal]

250416 shie (@​pouchwonki) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/pouchwonki/status/1912392753453117489
and this is why i will never blame NJZ for wanting to leave that company...

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/soyamoyas/status/1912107237981737003

[narrow seal]

250415 soy 🏎️🏁 {slow mode} (@​soyamoyas) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/soyamoyas/status/1912107237981737003
🇰🇷 BELIFT HISTORY OF HARASSMENT TO NEWJEANS: a thread

Belift CEO is HYBE COO.

Can the Korean Judge explain why the COO of a publicly listed company is also the CEO of a subsidiary, & has allowed systemic harassment, bullying and sexual harassment towards Newjeans, their top performing girl group?

Does KOSPI have no standards? Shame on Korea. What a joke.

[grizzled summit]

They lost again??

[hollow sorrel]

the objection didn't change the injunction's results, they are currently in the process of Appealing

[copper jetty]

Why are people so surprised that they lost the objection? This was already expected

[hollow sorrel]

yeah it pisses me off

also the way people are comparing it to fifty fifty like no 2 cases are the same, they're all unique

• the way the law works they can easily set a new precedent

[waxen musk]

Yeah this is "good" news because this expected result came sooner than I maybe some of us expected. The sooner things move along to the next step where things can change, the better!

[empty halo]

it just feels like a deep envy bc they couldn't produce work nearly as influential as nwjns

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/onlyhanni2k4/status/1912518727666659634

[narrow seal]

250416 𝐡𝐚𝐧𝐧𝐢 ఇ⁷³ (@​onlyhanni2k4) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/onlyhanni2k4/status/1912518727666659634
“I'll be honest, I'm cautious and not to sure what to say”

when everything you say get media play, misinterpreted, and suddenly it’s all over the place, twisted into something it wasn’t 🥲
Have a good rest babie
I hope the world will be kinder to you in the next 100 days 🫳🏻🦦

[tidal mirage]

im very behind on this drama

last time i checked was like january, i feel like ive missed too much

[craggy skiff]

Hybe media play to make bunnies who do not follow the whole steps feel disappointed

[copper jetty]

Lmao u did. Past couple of months felt like it was a year.

The 1 year of drama we've had feels like 10 of that.

[empty halo]

wait so, they lost the appeal and are appealing again?

[frozen bronze]

they objected, court didnt agree, and now appealed
they arent the same thing and this was expected

[empty halo]

ohh okay thanks

[tidal mirage]

my knowledge is very minimal off of youtube which makes me confused if i should stay on njz's side with this fiasco which is why i came here just incase its some anti culture

[empty halo]

youtube is NOTTT a good source it's filled w bias and hate

[copper jetty]

And clickbait.

[tidal mirage]

yeah thats why i came here ASAP, i got njz updates 20mins ago for the first time since january

something felt off with the comments being loaded with hate and "theyre ruining their careers"

[waxen musk]

I still am not sure how people are supposed to be fed correct and up to date information just if they are like the person above who just casually keeps up to date with things such as YouTube.
You REALLY need to know specific accounts to follow on Twitter and keep up to date almost on a daily basis (not as daily these days) to know what's going on. Or chat in here of course, which they have now done, fortunately.
But seriously, how are people supposed to know what's really going on?

[subtle matrix]

People here talk shit about reddit but the r/kpop megathreads have a ton of articles, translations and other resources. The people commenting there may be dumbasses but the opening post is a great source for info

[short laurel]

open post there even admits some of their updates are initially google translated but they admit little late and another hate train starts under the posts.

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/juantokki/status/1912508428322320504

[narrow seal]

250416 1tokki (@​juantokki) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/juantokki/status/1912508428322320504
That’s what I’ve always believed in. I know that the girls—and everyone standing beside them—won’t back down, no matter what happens. From the moment they chose to confront HYBE openly, they made it clear: they will never allow themselves to be mistreated or diminished by HYBE ever again. If it comes to it, they won’t hesitate to take this all the way to 3심, the Supreme Court.

[short laurel]

in the end lawyers will benefit

girls can look for college. while all this going on behind the scenes a 3 year bachelor is nice to have.

[ornate zephyr]

korean public opinion is pretty against

[craggy skiff]

really? since the massive bot TAG, i can hardly believe that comment is from human or not

[storm warren]

nobody cares what public, knetz, kpop stans or martians think, its not their life. you can argue that "image" is the most important for idols, but we can live.

[craggy skiff]

agree. njz image already damage in hater mount.
if someone dont care about that, they will still dont mind

[mild mist]

one way to judge the public opinion might be through streaming numbers

I don't know if melOn and youtube make that easy to access

[old cypress]

public opinion is the most important thing which is why hybe is focusing all their energy on it. NJZ is still holding because the public is still on their side and the brands are still willing to work with njz

[storm warren]

how sweet is stable on melon in 40s

[ornate zephyr]

but it is important tho?? im not downplaying your opinion but you can clearly see how much hybe is investing to shift public discourse on NJZ and their recent legal acts

esp. more given the case we're talking korean idols here thereby korean discourse is pretty hard to ignore

[old cypress]

yes it's very important however most ifans have no idea what the korean opinion is because they only look at places where only chronically online people talk

[storm warren]

njz would always be in disadvantage against hybe as hybe has more connections, resources, money to waste etc. esp given the society or at least portion of it that thinks that idols should suck it up and endure struggles bc they earn a lot, incels who hate women who are not docile and quiet, hybe stans who naturally hate njz for going against their precious company, korean media that is pro corporate and pro establishment, industry thats rotten to the core. we cant do anything to stop these ppl. there is massive fake narratives and misinformation spreading, yet there is so little we can do. yes, it is all affecting njz, but should njz care about what these ppl think about them or should they care about their future, freedom, rights and well-being? ofc massive hate against them is affecting their well-being and mental state, however, they prob think its worth it as long as they do not go back

[ornate zephyr]

that's a pretty good point but don't you think there has to be a reason as to why the korean community, which initially and very clearly supported NJZ initially when MHJ went full guns blazing has now turned on NJZ?

like its no joke when that conference was held initial discourse was VERY much in favour of NJZ, something that is an absolute minority as of now

[storm warren]

its bc injunction loss and massive coordinated attack and smear campaign which was probably orchestrated by hybe

probably is understatement

the loss itself had massive weight, but i dont see dramatic shift or drop in consumption of their music etc

[ornate zephyr]

is there some place I can find stuff (tweets, articles whatnot) of hybe being involved in these attacks? i've seen a few posts here and there in this discord but I haven't come across anything directly implicit yet

[short laurel]

what people scream doesn't matter. both in korea and intl. what truly shows is consumption of their products. people still listen to their music and buy their merch. though it'd die down as girls are not able to make anything new.

[short laurel]

hybe or not. the media attack on girls since all this started is usually high.

[upbeat stream]

It's because of the ruling, simple as.

[storm warren]

you should have been watching the patten for the past year to recognize how orchestrated it is. girls gallery starts bringing up issue, which is later reported by cyber wreckers like Lee Jinho, then kmedia starts writing defamatory articles with vicious takes and narratives. this does not come out of air, there is agenda

the scale itself is massive

every cyber wrecker channel on tiktok/yt, kmedia, fmkorea and girls gallery

given how massive it is, it is also affecting "public perception"

this is how PR war works and hybe specializes in this

[ornate zephyr]

so where on from here then? are we going to see NJZ whittle out because hybe is pulling the brakes on their activites?

[storm warren]

incels camp on theqoo and pann nowadays as well

[short laurel]

reason i think hybe is involved is cuz belift used those girls gallery as their source for that weird video. then there have been some information that anti's got be4 anyone else , importation that only hybe and girls had access to at the time and later media start spreading it. for me that's enough to suspect their involvement.

[ornate zephyr]

is this going to be another attrition doctrine they use to get rid of NJZ? for the benefit of lets say ILLIT?

[storm warren]

i mean weekly industry report itself is proof that they are running reverse viral campaigns

[upbeat stream]

Easy question: how does hybe-aligned media that constantly write degrading hit pieces against njz manage to get hold of information that is not public but known to hybe/ador?

[storm warren]

there is nothing NJZ can do but endure the hate

[ornate zephyr]

thats a good point, to that extent would you question that all of koreas media is aligned with hybes interests?

i mean its really no secret hybe has connections everywhere right? so its not a bad theory no?

[storm warren]

Korean media is inherently pro-corporate

[short laurel]

not all. topstarnews not posted much about it and have been fairly nuetral.

[upbeat stream]

No, I'm talking about specific outlets like Dispatch, tvdaily, 10asia and chosun. There are others but these are the worst culprits

[short laurel]

meanwhile that one channel chosun posted report about girls being in this country without guards and parents. like is this somethign u report on? it started a hate train online.

[ornate zephyr]

really?

[short laurel]

yea it was like 2 days ago

[storm warren]

it is somewhat societal issue and tendency. kr media always aligns w corporations. like the way defended KSH too despite everything that was being reported

[ornate zephyr]

very interested in seeing how this all plays out

[hollow sorrel]

https://x.com/amorrmanet/status/1912542155782181222

Team Bunnies website shows the updates on the cases? They are so goated omg this must be so fun to see, but I haven't reported anyone on there yet.

S2.. (@amorrmanet) on X

🤭🤣

X · Apr 16, 2025, 4:22 PM

[short laurel]

anyways we shouldn't worry about current online hate train. remember when girls 1st lost injunction and full week korean comments hating on girls. then they all gone as if they never existed and later korean telling us they were bots.

[upbeat stream]

If only they could somehow get proof that hybe/ador are behind the constant attacks by korean media, that would be good evidence for breach of trust. If only.

[storm warren]

id say entertainment sector is the most corrupt because these yellow press journalists probably expect to find their ways in these corporations in PR and crisis management spots. like how HYBE has Money Today editor in chief employed or 10Asia former editor in chief writing industry weekly reports for BSH

[hollow sorrel]

translation:

[storm warren]

so golfing aside, they suck up to corporations as there is a chance they will get employed by them

[hoary frost]

nah i dont think so. public is against hybe

mhj outfit was selling out in kr even

fannatical korean kpop fans are not general public

[ornate zephyr]

that was initially when the conference burst out, i'd definitely say korean discourse is much lopsided than what it was before

[hoary frost]

i agree, but i think general public still has that anti hybe sentiment

[storm warren]

they are trying to push "poor KJY" narrative to evoke sympathy. no one cares that this KJY got shares as soon as she was put as CEO in ADOR + she is woman

[upbeat stream]

Gallup survey at the end of the year will be interesting

[hoary frost]

international media more positive to njz but i'd say they have negative view

[storm warren]

however, there is contradictions as she is not dirt poor who sold her car like Attrakt CEO. hence it is hard to gain authentic sympathy

[ornate zephyr]

yea its no denying there are groups that don't have a liking for hybe, but from what I've been reading constantly through all those korean comments is how much the narrative has gained traction from "HATE HYBE" to "maybe NJZ are the culprits here"

[short laurel]

KJY is anything but poor.

[storm warren]

bots are working hard

[hoary frost]

well who knows. cuz hybe has alot of expertise in mediaplay
all in all, even if the case, i think kr view is much more positive than international

[storm warren]

bots my bad. incels do all the job voluntarily

[short laurel]

that;s cuz of court injunction ruling. there's a group who know how corrupt court can be and still will listen to whatever courts judgement says even if judgement is later proven wrong.

[ornate zephyr]

you gotta realise koreans have such a hardon for seeing people suffer like genuinely they will collapse on a dying whale the moment they show weakness

[short laurel]

what i think is gp not care about njz as much anymore.

[craggy skiff]

funny to see how korea media work:
5 young girl become a thread to a kpop industry while a man who runs one of the biggest kpop companies is getting attention for how he lost weight.

[upbeat stream]

korean society puts a lot of emphasis on legalism

[ornate zephyr]

clearly something thats in play with NJZ with the beating they're getting legally + media discourse wise

[ornate zephyr]

to re-emphasise though its not just suffering but moreso "i don't like seeing others succeed so your downfall? 🍿 "

[hoary frost]

I think even if opinion is not as good before, it would be easy to gain back favour

Because I am not putting incidents here, but alot of reasons why korean gp doesn't like hybe

[storm warren]

imo society hates those who goes against the system esp idol like NJZ. you know why hybe talks about NJZ earnings so much? because it evokes jealousy that ppl hold against them. "look how much u earned, whats wrong w u enduring some mistreatment"

[short laurel]

samsung lost alot in business last year. and even this year they are not doing good. so that's 1 mega company lose. this only adds on top of multiple issues in korea. their economy is at risk

[storm warren]

ordinary ppl suffer more but dont earn as much -> this is the sentiment they fuel

[upbeat stream]

As long as comeback music hits, nothing to worry about. Remember, there was a time when so many people thought IU's image is ruined only for her to return to immediate success. Of course njz isn't on iu's level but their music has seen insane even unprecedented success. They and aespa have the biggest domestic fandoms since snsd

[short laurel]

if mhj and njz lose. both loses will make them drop to the level of ordinary ppl going by the about of fee against njz media has been spreading.

[hoary frost]

and i dont think kr is against njz. atleast not normal people (like general public)

[short laurel]

remember if mhj loses. her shares will turn to just 3b won which is the loan she took from bsh.

[upbeat stream]

The hate against IU was arguably worse. There were thousands of hate comments every single day on naver and all communities. Even many fans thought she is over

[short laurel]

she'd basically be at 0. and njz with the fine media keep spreading, girls will be in lifetime dept.
does korean public not c girls and mhj same as ordinary ppl after seeing this ?

[craggy skiff]

current situation reminder me about how public opinion turn since last year
In the first days, international kpop fan be led by hybe media play about mhj. They talk a lot about shaman thing, how she curse XXX, etc and korea opionipn still on our side
Now korea side in drown on hate and bot comment and somehow we(believe) got more support from international

[storm warren]

nah back then kr was not on our side

[short laurel]

when it started. even this server was cursing mhj

[storm warren]

first 3 days before mhj press con, njz got massive hate on forums

i remember bc i was checking in real time

[craggy skiff]

is that so? im not active at this time but in other server we make joke about how good her shaman is. lol

[upbeat stream]

That's why I'm so interested to see the gallup survey. That'll tell us where they really stand

[storm warren]

the headlines "2nd 5050", "traitors", "greedy parents and children who betrayed hybe" swayed opinion and kforums were actually hating on them

[short laurel]

yea. her presscon turned everything around but everyone hated her sooo much. it was crazy. i only saw little bit of it though near the end as i joined late.

[storm warren]

that was first time hybe leaked their earnings to paint them as greedy

[upbeat stream]

They did so on the very 1st day of the conflict, April 22. Pure evil

I remember the presscon. We had tikki live-translating, that's when this server turned pro-mhj. It took a week or so for twitter stans to follow us

[craggy skiff]

it almost 1 year. do you remember exactly what date it started?
It could be come an anniversary day

[upbeat stream]

As I said here, April 22

[craggy skiff]

ah. very close

[upbeat stream]

A day after Hyein's 16th birthday. We were so happy and then everything came crashing down