NJZ Updates and Discussion

[cinder narwhal]

this is same as mine lol removed the haerin part fuck chat gpt

[frozen bronze]

huh theres no posts on mhdhh_pr for me

[atomic echo]

the members parents arent playing around

[cinder narwhal]

story

[frozen bronze]

ohhh ok my bad

[upbeat stream]

gpt translates correctly for me lol

[warm void]

yeahhh, just don't use gpt anymore

[copper current]

https://x.com/PoppyKPoppie/status/1908123033132536166

PoppyKPoppie (@PoppyKPoppie) on X

MHDHH_PR (formerly NJZ_PR) Update
04 April
⸻

Hello, we are the parents of the members.

The reports from some media outlets claiming that “there is division among the members’ parents” are completely false. We would like to clarify this to prevent any misunderstandings.

All

X · Apr 4, 2025, 11:42 AM

[waxen musk]

Chosun Biz was the press. @MHDHH_PR was the parent's Instagram account. (Sorry I was too busy to respond quick.)

[short laurel]

i m blind cuz i don't c this in poppy's post

[hushed whale]

poppy posted wrong translation

[waxen musk]

Where would Chosun even report on this rubbish if it was completely untrue in every way. I'm always confused about these press outlets and their ability to just make shit up.

[short laurel]

share proper translation please

[midnight yarrow]

Has everyone not learned by now to not trust a single word reported by Chosun? They're HYBE's top lapdog in the media. Every NJZ article is speculative defamation

[waxen musk]

Anyway I guess there's nothing to worry about apart from the mental distress being caused.

[short laurel]

thank you

[warm void]

*x -c https://x.com/newjeans_loop/status/1908119576011018573

[harsh dove]

@newjeans_loop <t:1743766132:d>

Hello. We are the parents of the members. The reports from some media outlets claiming that there is a division among the members’ parents are completely untrue. We are making this statement to correct any misunderstandings.
All five members have a firm stance that they cannot return to HYBE, and this decision was made after thorough discussions with their respective families. From the beginning, the members promised that they would not proceed with any legal action unless all five of them agreed. This demonstrates their deep trust and unity.
Even now, the members remain steadfast in their decision, and we, as their parents, fully respect and unwaveringly support their choices. Despite the difficult circumstances, the five members frequently meet and maintain their strong friendship. Likewise, we parents have also strengthened our bond through regular communication during these challenging times.
It is deeply disappointing and frustrating to see baseless rumors about family discord or a member leaving being published in the media. It almost feels as if someone is deliberately trying to create division. At first, we felt these rumors were not worth responding to. However, since specific members’ names have now been mentioned, we have decided to make our position clear.
The rumors regarding member Haerin are entirely false. Haerin and her parents are completely aligned in their stance, and any speculation about their family matters is also untrue. Due to these unfounded and one-sided speculations, the member and her family are experiencing extreme emotional distress.
The process of adjusting parental authority out of respect for a minor’s wishes was a matter concerning a different member. In that case, both the child and the mother were firm in their decision, so we kindly ask that you refrain from making assumptions about their family affairs as well.
We want to make it absolutely clear that all famil

[waxen musk]

I think people skipped over my long post above but I do now wonder if we're getting a birthday live or something on the newly renamed IG account. (Read my earlier message for explanation.)

[upbeat stream]

For NJZ related stuff, only trust their parents, ilgan, and maybe hankyoreh

[copper jetty]

wait i though NJZ_PR was nuked?

[upbeat stream]

It's a story, posts are gone

[waxen musk]

All it's posts were deleted and the account retained it's followers and was renamed to MHDHH_PR.

Same for the main (non PR) account.

[atomic echo]

mhdhh_pr

[copper jetty]

Oh? I thought it was NJZ ig that was not nuked... Did they have that much follower on their IG?

[hushed whale]

from chatgpt

[short laurel]

not nuked. they most lkely just archived the posts

[atomic echo]

all they did was remove pfp, posts, and change the name. the account is fully intact.

[short laurel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1245637496000217180/1357689348929093822/image.png?ex=67f11e3d&is=67efccbd&hm=d84dc4985be0e5b371adc747e7682a57e03eed12197d86b9aae6131c07ee2e15&

[copper jetty]

oh thank god then... I was literally hoping that they wouldn't nuke it.

[short laurel]

this part is missing from loops translation.

[warm void]

loops translation is too long in discord

[copper jetty]

wait so the message from team bunnies are that they gave all the data they have to sejong team right? Are the girls suing? cause i want them too. This is too much already. Let's get them gloves off and start suing people left and right already so that they could get evidence from Hybe

[short laurel]

no. it's missing even in twitter

[warm void]

ohh ok

[short laurel]

a week ago they did annouced that they are taking legal action against melicious posts. njz lawyers

[warm void]

I think the best translation is from catzkang

[copper jetty]

about time. This has been going for so long already and the amount of vitriol people were spewing left and right especially against Hanni's ethnicity... It should've already stopped there.

[short laurel]

yea. her posts has even more at the end.

sniper and jinjin(aespajeans) needs to go down. why they even come back

[copper jetty]

this statement was cold lmao... F U ADOR & HYBE.

[cinder narwhal]

https://x.com/NJZBUBBLEGUM/status/1908130418270101597 one more translation

. (@NJZBUBBLEGUM) on X

(250404)
Translation of @/mhdhh_pr(formerly @/njz_pr) Instagram Story

X · Apr 4, 2025, 12:11 PM

[short laurel]

catzkang n bubble's translation is best. both covered everything.. loops skipepd the last part.

[drowsy crypt]

This logo is a piece of shit so much

[short laurel]

ador was such a good name.

[cinder narwhal]

i still got an ador pin...

[short laurel]

at the very least both fans and anti's agrees that mhj is creative genius.

[hot girder]

fuck hybe

[copper jetty]

Sorry. For some reason i think of ODOR first few times i heard it and i started laughing.

[subtle matrix]

Name was elite but the logo was terrible

[upbeat stream]

Hybe is a terrible name though, what was she thinking?

[hot girder]

all doors one room is classy as fuck

[tall plover]

I like Ador’s logo name and logo too iwl

[upbeat stream]

terrible name for a terrible company. I guess it fits

[short laurel]

which ador logo. the one abvoe or this

[hot girder]

this one

[stable escarp]

All doors one room (ADOR) gotta be the most creative name ive seen in a while. And it sounds nice to me atleast

[short laurel]

when did ador changed their logo though?

[copper jetty]

What does All Doors One Room mean though? Like why was it called that?

[cinder narwhal]

ador always had multiple logos, it's kinda her thing. also nj

[copper jetty]

I like the longer name version of it more than ODOR.

[copper jetty]

They had multiple logos if i remember... let me search

[short laurel]

bro someone posted pitstop mv named it official video and people are thinking it's real. the accoutn is fake

[copper jetty]

these ones are cute

[copper jetty]

lmao i think i was watching that last time on YT.
Why are people thinking it's legit?

[stable escarp]

Can mean anything to anyone. Knowing MHJ she meant it that way but to me i like to think of it meaning to put creatives/creators together to create something. It can be as simple as that

[short laurel]

comment section someone said "wow for fan account it's so good" and some one replied that it's official. even the account made a comment as if they are official. needs ot be reported seriously. even voice doesn't sound like girls with the editing

[drowsy crypt]

All doors one room is really CLOSE

Never opened

[drowsy crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/stomp-gif-17874349

[stable escarp]

Hybe done shut them doors to the public

[stiff prairie]

MHDHH-PR lessgauuur

but why did they delete all old posts

[short laurel]

this user is anti. we need ot take them down for impersonation.

[old cypress]

Can't wait for the newly created haerinbacktoodor twt accounts

[old cypress]

Kpop fans are very gullible lol

[short laurel]

comments under their video. when people say it's fan account, others reply it's real account.

there's even some reply comments that seem to be deleted based on peoples reply

[warm void]

fake tokkis are dumb

[tall plover]

This

[copper jetty]

Already reported it. But dang... If this is another one of those FreeJeanz account then

[tall plover]

There’s so many fake tokkis iwl how did I see one posted that flopped illit song

[short laurel]

people using this account saying "girls are breaking the injunction ruling"

[copper jetty]

yeah i'm in the comment section right now. People are dumb dumb

[short laurel]

i doubt yt will do anything honestly. someone need to report to teambunnies. i not have their email

[steel depot]

fake tokkis = hybe stans = weirdos

[copper jetty]

wait i think i have team bunnies mail. Let me report it.

[tall plover]

I don’t think anyone whose actually doing media play for Hybe cares about what anything means as people who don’t bother to research things continue believing in it

[craggy skiff]

I though it is possibility, since they account don't have any advertising content

[stiff prairie]

wtf lolllll

[craggy skiff]

adore/adorable. such a waste

[midnight timber]

what happened to njz insta?

[stiff prairie]

they're mhdhh now

[stiff prairie]

https://www.instagram.com/mhdhh_friends/

[craggy skiff]

nothing. they just change their account name and hide old post to comply with court order

[midnight timber]

yea I saw and I was confused why it was mhdhh 😭

[midnight timber]

ohh

[craggy skiff]

weren't they used that name before? 💀

[midnight timber]

they did? 😭 Idrk

[stiff prairie]

nah they used be jeanzforfree before this

[midnight timber]

the njz pr name is also changed

[craggy skiff]

ah. I was confused by how they called themselves in the early days, before jeansforfree

[copper jetty]

i think that was the first name though... Did they never go by MHDHH?? or was it just us fans calling them that?

[cinder verge]

yall what happened about haerin? theres too much going on

[copper jetty]

media play

[short laurel]

did they used MHDHH in their msges to us? i rememebr reading it somewhere

[flint stone]

They were MHDHH before creating Instagram, first insagram name was jeansforfree

[craggy skiff]

I cannot remember where it come from. Feel like such a long time ago, lol

[copper jetty]

i remember reading that from a fan... so idk

[copper jetty]

true.. a lot of things happened since last year even i don't remember everything

[flint stone]

https://x.com/juantokki/status/1908144178418377114?t=6qEFWHkA1NjuW_DsWCFAag&s=19

1tokki (@juantokki) on X

250404 MHDHH_PR Instagram story

Hello, this is a joint statement from the parents of the members.

The reports from some media outlets claiming that “there is division among the members’ parents” are completely false. We are releasing this statement to correct the

X · Apr 4, 2025, 1:06 PM

[pulsar wasp]

I asked the same. Nobody really explaining. Just saying it’s not true, and to not give it attention ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[craggy skiff]

Anyway, in my opinion, this isnt a bad news
We could hope that we will get new content from the girls soon
At least random insta post

[short laurel]

explaination is in the twt link above

[frozen bronze]

media twisting 1 statement from the court into conspiracies

[cinder verge]

what did they make them do to their instagram

[pulsar wasp]

I asked specifically about what was said about “Haerin’s family background” but couldn’t* find any info or explanation on it

[short laurel]

they jsut changed their name since they can't use njz for the time being.

[frozen bronze]

ig change wasnt an order or anything they just decided to change it

[short laurel]

there's no other information in public regarding that.

[frozen bronze]

yeah, because there is nothing
just media twisting stuff out of nothing

[short laurel]

njz was supposed ot be official njz account. but they can't work rn so they mostly likely changed it cuz of that. atleast that's what fans are speculating.

[craggy skiff]

right or wrong, we still know haerin legal representative is side with other girl

[frozen bronze]

yeah if they want to continue posting on it for now the name change is probably safe

[upbeat stream]

What was said about her family background? I haven't read the chosun article (don't want to give them clicks) but learned about the issue from twt

[pulsar wasp]

Understood

[frozen bronze]

what the court said wasnt even about haerin in the first place it was about hyein

there was already some stigma around haerin supposedly wanting to stay so media just picked her

[short laurel]

we don't know who it was about but hyein makes sense.

[craggy skiff]

hybe just did hybe thing
not the first time they try to make up story about disagree among members

[frozen bronze]

their parents said it was hyein

[short laurel]

post said it's another member. hyein makes sense given context but they didn't mentioned her name.

[upbeat stream]

Not explicitly, but yeah that's the only possibility with them denying it's Haerin

[frozen bronze]

i mean yeah sure

[subtle matrix]

Nothing happened to Haerin, the statement by the parents indicates that Hyein's mother was granted full parental rights and they are both still in agreement with the rest of the girls. Nothing changes from NJZ's perspective, and assuming whatever is happening with her and her parents is related to the case is speculation at this point

[short laurel]

also it's their personal matter. it's non of our business.

[pulsar wasp]

Understood.

[craggy skiff]

I love the way hater spreading rumor about haerin and very confident to said her family did not attend complexCon

[copper jetty]

they were at complexcon though? I remember one user said they saw her sister so that's so funny

[craggy skiff]

that why hater is dump

[pulsar wasp]

*x https://x.com/catzkang/status/1908119147378274354?s=46&t=fNOSZJh6PZHLeSxBuZ7DWA

so “family background” mentioned in this tweet is baseless, got it.

This is what got me confused, cause if was the only place I saw it mentioned, but others on here said catzkang’s TL is accurate ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[harsh dove]

@catzkang <t:1743766030:d>

[pulsar wasp]

Haerin has a sister? cool! TIL

[copper jetty]

they just probably get advised regarding their IG account. Technically it was still up and there are advertisements there so they probably archived it or took it down for Ador to not have any ammunition.

[craggy skiff]

I hate X but it is the only place with minimum peace
My facebook bombarded by hater's post. such annoying

[short laurel]

it's about the news article about the parents conflict over custody of the minor. parents said it's false. that's all it means.

[craggy skiff]

she looks like haerin. you could know she is haerin's sistes just by her eye

[copper jetty]

Boomer app right there but i can't say anything since i also use Facebook. I rarely use it though. Only for family matters.

[craggy skiff]

I got 1 acc for newjeans and another for family. The second one now full of trump new policy
both are hell

[copper jetty]

honestly same. Both accounts are hell rn that's why i don't go there.

[polar owl]

MHDHH - I think the important question here is which H stsnds for whom?

[subtle matrix]

Minji Hanni Danielle Haerin Hyein

[craggy skiff]

minji - hanni - dani - haerin - hyein

[old cypress]

age order

[subtle matrix]

Ordered by age

[polar owl]

Awesome, there is nothing to worry on the name change now ☺️

[upbeat stream]

The almost complete lack of solo stans is great for us. Imagine how much more horrible today would've been if we had a lot of solos like mys or blinks

[polar owl]

They have always been a cohesive group, friends, all leaders, all centers.

[hot girder]

The fandom would be even more insufferable

I don't know how you can be a solo stan, in any group, not just NJZ. In watching content of your fave, you're bound to get to know their teammates too

[upbeat stream]

It could make sense in a group like blackpink because yg curated it by having far fewer interactions between them than is usual

[hollow sorrel]

is it weird that I always thought the members won’t do any solos until their contract (the 7 year one) ends

like mhj loves switching up things and she also mentioned having a 7 year plan for NewJeans, but for some reason I always got the vibe that they won’t do solos

(I know Danielle did Little Mermaid, but I meant like promoting solo songs while they are still working as a group)

[errant shale]

can someone explain to me the whole case like I'm a 5yr old? I'm so lost

[waxen musk]

Press are lying. The girls' parents said don't worry about it, all the girls and their parents are sticking together. That's all you need to know.

[subtle matrix]

#1231839760759263232 message start here

[polar owl]

Unrelated to this case, but I hate how Hybe failed Techi (Yurina) from Keyakizaka46, also a 'monster rookie' even in Japan 😓

[grizzled summit]

is it true that one parents of njz might divorce?

[subtle matrix]

It's a private matter and any discussion about it is pure speculation

[grizzled summit]

but is it confirmed to happen or

[subtle matrix]

Did you miss the "any discussion about it is pure speculation" bit

[polar owl]

Private matter again 🙂

[short laurel]

Hybe has failed alot of groups under them. They have numbers in sales n streams but not much known in public.

[grizzled summit]

im just asking geez,

[short laurel]

We don't know anything. N it's unrelated to njz case. That's all we know.

[grizzled summit]

so this is correct and true?

[short laurel]

Yes

[subtle matrix]

The process of adjusting parental authority out of respect for a minor’s wishes was a matter concerning a different member. In that case, both the child and the mother were firm in their decision, so we kindly ask that you refrain from making assumptions about their family affairs as well. We want to make it absolutely clear that all families are fully respecting and supporting their children.

That's all we know, and out of respect for her and her family I don't think it's right to discuss it further

[grizzled summit]

ok i hate these armpit clowns

[short laurel]

I think once the matter is solved, there's going to be lawsuit against that media chiz or whatever for spreading this misinformation by the parents of whoever the court was about about

[subtle matrix]

There are several already happening no?

[grizzled summit]

no the girls need to still file pending lawsuits against misinformation and media play

[short laurel]

I meant the parents in news from today. Not njz one.

[grizzled summit]

ok

[weak relic]

i saw the judge was holding binkybong instead of hammer in the court

[copper jetty]

Source???

[errant shale]

So, they're not gonna return to Hybe, they can't be NJZ, so... is it over? I'M TOO CONFUSED

[old cypress]

indefinite hiatus

[upbeat stream]

They are gonna appeal, wait for it

[old cypress]

wait a few months (or years)

[upbeat stream]

If they lose that, then either a hiatus until contract runs out or a return to ador, perhaps with some guarantees

[errant shale]

What a horrible timing to know newjeans, I just started listening in the middle of all this...

[copper jetty]

Girls already said there's no way they're returning so they'll probably just run the contract or pay penalty to get out if they lose..

[upbeat stream]

They can't pay the penalty and ador knows it. A good solution would be to let them become independent but split profits, then require a certain number of albums and tours. Good for ador and njz, but hybe might be worried that this could set up a dangerous precedent

[hoary frost]

it’s just not possible

[old cypress]

There's no knowing how much the penalty will be, it might be much lower than expected and the girls or their new company might be able to pay it

moreover if mhj wins her put option lawsuit she'll have enough money to pay the penalty - if she wants to

[copper jetty]

become independent but split profits? isn't that still them under the same agency?

[hollow sorrel]

exactly they can look for investors and the speculated amount is way too much for people inbetween 17-22 years old

[copper jetty]

that would still need a lot of steps and uncertainty.

[old cypress]

yes basically we don't know anything at this moment

[upbeat stream]

Meaning newjeans does everything on their own but ador takes a cut from the profits, as part of the settlement. It's probably not gonna happen but it would solve both sides' issues: newjeans just doesn't want to work with ador and all ador cares about is money

[upbeat stream]

It's due to this clause in the standard contract:
'If the 'Singer' violates the contents of the contract with the purpose of unilaterally breaching the contract during the contract period, despite the 'Agency' faithfully fulfilling its obligations according to the contract contents, the 'Singer' shall pay the 'Agency' a penalty separate from the damages in Paragraph 1, calculated by multiplying the average monthly sales for the previous 2 years at the time of contract termination by the number of months remaining in the contract period'

[copper jetty]

and they're going to go by NJ sales for 2022 - 2024 which is how much again?? I think if I remember 2023 NJ was third in profits in Hybe only behind Big Hit and Pledis 💀

they could probably do that as a settlement but you heard their lawyers though... not now.

[upbeat stream]

Yeah, any discussion will only happen after the appeal

[grizzled summit]

you guys are forgetting that the court can reduce their penalty incase they lose

[subtle matrix]

Yes if they lose then ig it would be a court mandated settlement

[hollow sorrel]

yes

[copper jetty]

they can... but we still don't know by how much. Let's just be realistic here and assess everything that can happen.

Basically everything that can go south will go south kind of thinking.

[subtle matrix]

Or they could just say "bet see ya in 2029" and chill for 4 years

[copper jetty]

idk about other fan's opinions but I'm ok with it lmao... whatever they decide.

[naive hound]

Why are there articles about haerin family now. This circus is hard to handle

[orchid field]

because hybe paid news sites to spread the rumours

[orchid field]

*x -c https://x.com/luenacore/status/1908155939976557038?s=46&t=FGOk5JcS6vsxMTTizzNPiQ&fbclid=IwY2xjawJc3CZleHRuA2FlbQIxMAABHghhh69ggcIUl7rHFus-Tk5bvoc39s06jFbjC04vm6XCEjYIJvK16qy8KMIK_aem_3baJ5ebDAVua8ND82O46dA

[harsh dove]

@luenacore <t:1743774802:d>

Korean News & Media Outlets to Approach with Caution

The following media outlets have consistently published content that targets and harasses NewJeans/NJZ/MHDHH, while some simultaneously release favorable articles about HYBE. I urge everyone to exercise critical judgment when engaging with content from these sources:

1. ChosunBiz
2. Money Today
3. TV Daily
4. Sports Chosun
5. Herald POP
6. My Daily
7. Xsports News
8. YTN
9. bnt
10. NewSen
11. TV Report
12. SpoTV News
13. Maeil Business Newspaper

[naive hound]

[subtle matrix]

Because for some reason there has been a lot of talk about Haerin pulling a Keena, and the media ran with it as soon as there were rumours of a parent not being fully on board

[subtle matrix]

It's a highly mediatic case they don't even need to pay

[old cypress]

it's not clear what the contract termination date is. Because according to the injunction the contract is still valid. So if they lose in 2027 and terminate their contracts after that, the sales period taken into account would be 2025-2026

but obviously this doesn't make much sense so i'm not sure what the penalty will be

[short laurel]

which will be 0 by then?

[old cypress]

who knows hybe would argue this but hybe also said they'd send newjeans in a 1.5y hiatus

[subtle matrix]

Ig it'll never be 0 since they'll keep getting some revenue? But pretty close to it

[jade jolt]

Can the girls start posting again on ig if their account is not called njz anymore?

[heady gate]

I believe yes. bc NJZ is a business name MHDHH is not

[jade jolt]

Thank you

[upbeat stream]

Regardless of whether hybe is paying them or not, there are specific media outlets that always obtain confidential information only known to hybe/ador

[heady gate]

I am expecting MHDHH IG live

[orchid field]

I wouldnt hold it against the girls to stay quiet because alot of things they do can be twisted as promoting under a different name

[hot girder]

kmedia can go fuck themselves

[hoary frost]

Guys can someone translate this please

[hollow sorrel]

njz are not losing this battle
the game they are playing has always been about the supreme court’s perspective on the termination of contracts

[copper current]

https://x.com/Liasshy/status/1907935712844104162

Lia ✮ (@Liasshy) on X

Newjeans/NJZ 8 years of mistreatment timeline of events simplified

updated version 2017-2025

Source music enforces a harsh schedule on Minji, her dorm is infested with cockroaches, they pressure her to quit school and lose her education

X · Apr 3, 2025, 11:18 PM

[hoary frost]

안녕하세요. 멤버들의 부모 일동입니다.
일부 매체들을 통해 보도된 멤버의 부모들 사이에 분열이 생겼다'는 내용은 전혀 사실이 아닙니 다. 오해를 바로잡기 위해 해당 입장을 밝힙니다.
멤버 5인은 모두 하이브로 돌아갈 수 없다는 확고한 입장을 가지고 있으며, 이는 각자 가족과 충분한 상의 끝에 내린 결정입니다. 애초에 다섯 명 전원이 동의하지 않으면 법적 대응도 시작하지 않기로 약속한 만큼, 멤버들은 서로를 깊이 신뢰하고 단결하고 있습니다.
현재도 멤버들은 동일한 입장을 고수하고 있으며, 저희 부모들 역시 자녀들의 의사를 전적으로 존중하며 변함없이 지지하고 있습니다. 멤버들은 현재 어려운 상황임에도 다섯 명이 자주 만나 며 변함없는 우정을 이어가고 있고, 저희 부모들 역시 이러한 어려움을 계기로 더욱 주기적으로 소통하며 돈독한 관계를 이어가고 있기에, 가족 간 분열, 멤버 이탈 등 근거 없는 루머가 기사화 되는 것을 보며 당혹스럽고 유감스러울 뿐입니다.
마치 분열을 조장하려는 누군가의 의도가 느껴졌기에, 대응할 가치가 없다고 생각했었습니다.
그러나 특정 멤버들의 실명이 거론되는 수준에 이르렀기에 이 입장을 밝힙니다.
멤버 해린 관련 찌라시는 사실과 전혀 다릅니다. 해린은 물론 해린의 부모님 모두 뜻이 확고히 일치하며, 그 외 가정사에 대한 추측 또한 모두 사실이 아닙니다. 아무런 근거 없는 일방적 추측 으로 인해 해당 멤버와 가족 모두 극심한 정신적 스트레스를 겪고 있습니다.
미성년 자녀의 의사를 존중하여 친권 조정을 진행한 것은 다른 멤버의 일이며, 이 가정 역시 자녀 와 어머님의 뜻이 확고하기에 해당 가정사에 대한 추측 역시 자제해 주시기를 요청드립니다.
현재 모든 가족은 각자의 자녀를 존중하며 지지하고 있다는 점, 확실히 말씀드립니다.
가사소송법 제10조는 '가정법원에서 처리 중이거나 처리한 사건에 관하여는 성명 • 연령 • 직업 및 용모 등을 볼 때 본인이 누구인지 미루어 짐작할 수 있는 정도의 사실이나 사진을 신문, 잡지, 그 밖의 출판물에 게재하거나 방송할 수 없다.'고 정하고 있고, 또한 제72조에서는 보도 금지 규정을 위반한 행위에 대한 형사처벌 조항을 명시하고 있습니다.
이점 유념하여 개인정보에 대한 무분별한 추측과 확산을 삼가주시길 바랍니다.
친권 문제는 한 개인의 가정사입니다. 해당 사안을 '어도어와의 법적 분쟁'과 연관지어 악의적으로 활용하는 일이 앞으로 없길 바랍니다.
신뢰가 바탕이 되어야 할 회사가 멤버의 가정사를 악용하여 언론플레이를 하고 있는데, 저희는 부모로서 다시 그곳에 자녀를 보낼 수 없습니다.
경영진이 바뀐 어도어와 하이브는 이제까지 단 한 번도 저희에게 신뢰를 보여준 적이 없으며, 이는 현재까지도 변함이 없습니다.

[copper current]

If it is the US, individuals are often protected against conglomerate. SK is the opposite.

[hollow sorrel]

https://x.com/juantokki/status/1908144178418377114?s=46&t=rG1o-Bkd-GgDMGG_CtSg2Q

1tokki (@juantokki) on X

250404 MHDHH_PR Instagram story

Hello, this is a joint statement from the parents of the members.

The reports from some media outlets claiming that “there is division among the members’ parents” are completely false. We are releasing this statement to correct the

X · Apr 4, 2025, 1:06 PM

@late matrix here’s the translation

[hoary frost]

Oh my god

What’s gonna happen now 😭😭😭

[polar owl]

Here's one of the worst outcomes:

A drawn-out battle where ADOR/Hybe aims to exhaust the girls into a compromise. With the injunction, NJ members can’t perform or even appear in ads, leaving them stuck in a prolonged legal and media fight. Meanwhile, Hybe promotes new groups with world tours, variety shows, and award shows, banking on the short public memory. Even if NJ eventually agrees to a compromise, Hybe is unlikely to let them succeed again—stalling their momentum until they’re free to leave the company.

[hoary frost]

This is so very unfair.

[errant shale]

that's too fancy english, I'm kinda slow

[polar owl]

Lol, this isn't my first language, so it may sound awkward.

I agree, but you don't know what years of struggle away from the limelight can do to people's morale. If any one of them or their parents crack, they are done.

[subtle matrix]

17-20 year old famously never change their opinions so no point in discussing it

But being serious the girls themselves have said that they agreed that they will only go through with it if everyone is on board. We can't exclude a scenario where one of them decides they don't want to keep going through a very public and very messy legal process

[analog depot]

Has anyone else seen that fake NJZ YouTube account..??

It’s quite disappointing that a few people seem to fall for it..especially as the so called music video that is made is a mash up of videos under ADOR’s rights..i wish people wouldn’t spread misinformation as it looks like NJZ are trying to go against court ruling..

[polar owl]

Anyone who falls for this is dumb - they don't deserve the truth, anyway. No one else would care.

[analog depot]

The comments are shockingly full of people who believe this is NJZ, I have a feeling whoever the person behind the account is is deleting comments calling them out

[polar owl]

Yes, most likely. The comments can be also bots

It's all opinions. All of the people here wishes them the best.

[analog depot]

May someone expand and educate me on the misinformation being spread about Haerin?

[short laurel]

Based on replies in comments I've seen, they are deleting comments calling them out.

They not devaluing anything, they instead give their opinion from neutral stand point which is much appreciated here. We all here are njz stans so our view can be narrow heavily biased towards njz even when girls end up making mistakes. So we need ppl like lou here.

[subtle matrix]

Is it better if I treat them as a monolith, pure and unchanging? Is it better if I deny them their humanity?

They can decide on a different path. I don't think it will happen or that it would be a good decision, I am not rooting for it. But it can happen.

[short laurel]

We reported it to Teambunnies earlier today(i hope he did it) n reported on YouTube too

[polar owl]

How do you report to team bunnies? I have a host of folks who I would want to report 😂

[short laurel]

They shared email to report a long time ago. I suggest to report this account to girls parents too but i not remember their email

[polar owl]

Ok

[short laurel]

@copper jetty Do u remember the account parents n their lawyer shared to report malicious comments

[copper jetty]

*x https://x.com/catzkang/status/1904117227009306682?t=49uDode00AldA2lPLWAwng&s=33

[harsh dove]

@catzkang <t:1742811898:d>

[short laurel]

Please submit a report to them. I m on my phone so can't rn

[copper jetty]

there's also this from team bunnies

https://report.teambunnies.info/

[polar owl]

Thanks

[e-mail]

[analog depot]

286 reports this month is crazy..

[copper jetty]

Already did both to shin kim and team bunnies

[short laurel]

Cool. Add parents too just in case

[copper jetty]

wait can you guys check? I can't find the YT video already. Maybe it got taken down?

[short laurel]

Send the channel. Not the video

Ooh they deleted some videos. 2 still on there

[copper jetty]

can you send the link of the channel?

[short laurel]

https://youtube.com/@nje4nz?si=wHXPP4JgmgnkR2nX 2 videos n 1 story still there

[copper jetty]

I'm still gonna report it though. I reported it through YT i think bunnies also doing that but i also sent a report to shin and kim and team bunnies

Yeah all the pit stop videos just got deleted.

[short laurel]

Cc parents email too

[copper jetty]

[copper jetty]

will do

[cobalt zodiac]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[waxen musk]

I just realised they couldn't go back to jeanzforfree because some arse took it instead. And now I wonder if someone is going to take njz_official.

[vale grove]

I’m confused about this too

[short laurel]

That's what i m worried about. N I'll blame hybe for this

[night niche]

i took a break from socials for like 3 days and now njz insta is gone 💔

[knotty roost]

[storm warren]

njz_official seems reserved

[copper jetty]

Hybe media play article this morning regarding Haerin's family in family court (which was private matter), K media ran that with a there's a "division" and pure assumptions on why there was a case on family court which MHDHH_PR refuted and that is their statement.

[storm warren]

it will be back as soon as their activities ban is lifted. no worries.

[night niche]

it seems to be about her parents supposedly “disagreeing” with the other parents from what i’m looking at, but it’s untrue

just another case of korean media play

[vocal sable]

i feel like this is definitely for the best right now, they of course didnt wanna have to do this but i think they are just respecting the injunction:(. it also means hopefully they can communicate with us again still!

[night niche]

all i hope for is that they’re staying strong mentally and they have a good support system around them 🙏🏾 the future is bright for njz

[copper current]

https://x.com/newjeansmoment/status/1908252327674601493

MHDHHmoment (@newjeansmoment) on X

NME, a 70-year-old UK pop culture news outlet, offers an overview of the latest injunction in its article.
https://t.co/EYKfmRmfjp

X · Apr 4, 2025, 8:16 PM

[heady gate]

lol. You found my X account

[copper current]

oh, I don't know that

https://x.com/haerinthequeenn/status/1907960711415726584

NJZ Enthusiast (@haerinthequeenn) on X

wow literally every massive international outlet is covering this unprecedented The Washington Post too? These are outlets that don’t step in K-pop or even music really proves it’s a global rights case and injustice case it’s a good article I read it but it’s behind a paywall

X · Apr 4, 2025, 12:57 AM

[mild mist]

use archive.is to get around the paywall

[potent lichen]

I like seeing the different takes from articles worldwide

[hoary frost]

why are we making up scenarios. we'll see that when they actually say it

[hoary frost]

No this is not an opinion from a neutral standpoint lol. its literally making up scenarios

[old ingot]

Do we know what happend at court the other day btw? like if anything got settled on or if any special measures got put into case for the next court hearings // if other court hearings got scheduled? (All I can read from those is that it got deemed a "speical case", and that thats all that happend except some back and fourths)

[heady gate]

I read articles from NME, Washington Post, Music Business Worldwide, and Economic Times about NJ. I think Washington Post and Music Business Worldwide are the best written.

[old ingot]

We will never get to see the light again will we

[bronze talon]

feels like it def
just gotta get through this somehow, one day we'll go back to what we and the girls want

[old ingot]

https://tenor.com/view/newjeans-newjeans-reaction-newjeans-praying-kpop-praying-praying-gif-26721673

[old ingot]

Amen

[knotty roost]

-prayjeans

[tall dew]

[hot girder]

[short laurel]

Everything we discussed here is made up scenario. Reality is we don't know anything. All we have is he say she say. N based on that we making calculated assumptions. It's better to assume multiple scenarios n prepare ourselves as their fans from all the things media has been throwing at us.
Plus they have been giving very neutral stand points ever since they joined the thread n any argument is appreciated to have fairer discussion. Otherwise we'd be just be another echo chamber ignoring many facts n heavily biased towards girls even ignoring the mistakes they made like with the injunction.

[upbeat stream]

They have made me mad a couple of times but I also agree often enough so I'm fine with them

[hoary frost]

Here are the facts. I think it's best we take the girls and their parents words and not start putting words in their mouths. So I think using the girls actual words is not made up scenario

[short laurel]

Again. Reality is it's girls words against hybe's words. Court will only accept solid evidence n not their words even if we know how messed up kpop industry is n know that girls are sharing tge truth. But to win they need solid proof.

If girls lose then regardless of reality, legally it would be called made scenario. Ofc that's if scenarios but knowing how corrupted the system is, we should we prepared for hate train. So discussing about all the scenarios is fine.

[eternal ibex]

Even though it seems dark guys, you just gotta believe!! I believe theyll find a way to get out of all this and end up performing with smiles on their faces again 🙏

[red thorn]

Nah not neutral, fair and reason argument, maybe. Neutral ones won't even voice their opinion or argument to begin with

[short laurel]

Either way. Many here are infact blindly biased n we need ppl to counter that to make reasonable discussion.

[old cypress]

there's counter and there's "i wanna sound smart so i will give my neutral-ish takes even though it's bs"

counter is good for an healthy discussion but oftentimes it falls into the other category

[heady gate]

The judge focuses on those three points. Keep it simple

[hot girder]

Rules against NJZ... man

[cinder narwhal]

legit a few of those popped up since the injunction loss

[subtle matrix]

If I wanted to look smart I wouldn't spend my time in a kpop discord

[subtle matrix]

It was a follow up to a comment by @polar owl. I didn't bring it up out of nowhere

And like I said, I don't think they will ever go back nor do I think it would be a good decision.

[old cypress]

I could say we can't exclude a scenario where a meteorite falls on bsh and kills him on the spot and the new hybe head decides to drop the lawsuit. But I'm not gonna because it's stupid and pointless

[subtle matrix]

I didn't bring it up

[old cypress]

doesn't matter whether you did or didn't

[subtle matrix]

ok´

[old cypress]

I don't mind seeing seeing other opinions here and i think it's really important that we are able to converse and get the facts right. This channel is pretty much only place where we can discuss without antis and trolls so it's a very valuable place imo. But showing up and coming up with made-up situations such as "njz is not telling the whole truth" or "one of them might do a keena" or "mhj is grooming and manipulating the girls" is not helping the discussion at all and ultimately just spreading hybe's talking points.

I'm not talking about you in particular, just that there are many people like that lately

[ashen charm]

njz didnt leave because of mhj they left because ador replaced all of there staff

[eternal ibex]

don’t interact with that person its probably like a “burner” account 💔 look at the join dates

[hoary frost]

What did they say that was so wrong...?

[eternal ibex]

oh did i understand it wrong then?

the cooldown my lord, anyways my bad 🙏

[hoary frost]

can you send the content of the tweet? my vpn isnot working

[eternal ibex]

I really misunderstood ur text mb 🙏 🙏 🙏

[polar owl]

Not to come across as only doom-posting, here are some potential positive outcomes (ranked by likelihood in my own shitty opinion):

1. Mutual Contract Termination with New Agency Support – A negotiated departure from ADOR/HYBE, allowing the members to continue as a group under a new agency. This would likely involve a settlement or revenue-sharing deal, but frees them to move forward together.

2. Legal Victory and Full Contract Nullification – The court rules in favor of the members, voiding the contract due to ADOR/HYBE’s breaches. They part ways without owing punitive fees, gaining full independence. But may not have rights to perform any of their old work.

3. Partial Resolution (Solo Paths or Group Split) – The members don’t stick together. Some may reconcile with the company or negotiate individual settlements, while others push for an exit. The group effectively disbands or is reconstituted, with each leaving member attempting to rebuild their career—some potentially thriving solo. However, those who remain with Ador could face backlash from OG fans.

4. Court-Mediated Return to ADOR with Better Terms – The court facilitates a return under improved conditions (e.g., management changes, more creative control). While not ideal—especially as OG Ador staff will most likely not be involved—it avoids a prolonged legal battle that could derail their careers.

[bronze talon]

i mean sure, you can consider those opinions as valid but with all we know what the girls said and what the company and outlets posted and did to the girls i can tell you
1 is maybe happening, probably not(?)
2 probably happening soon i can see it
3 never happening
4 not happening either bc thats not what the girls want

[polar owl]

I agree to your assessment- this is what it feels like as of now - but think of a prolonged legal battle, and options #3 & #4 can unfortunately also be relevant

[half knot]

I don't think any of these outcomes are likely on their own, it'll be somewhat in the middle of 3 and 4, there will eventually be some kind of negotiation and settlement, lawyers will win, everybody else loses, but newjeans members will not return to ador or hybe, and it is possible they may not remain a group anymore or they will continue activities as a mix of group and solo.

[bronze talon]

look, you saw their statement multiple time, their parents, how they lost so much trust and are so sure to not go back there even if there will be a fee penalty to pay
4 is not happening, 3 like i said, why would they split, for them its all or nothing
and with 2, they can rerecord songs in a few years if they want since the songs werent produced arent under hybe a&r

[frozen granite]

Is this about the injunction ?

[polar owl]

Yes, not the main lawsuit

[frozen granite]

Oh ok I was scared

[polar owl]

I sincerely wish they stick together no matter what. Hybe will try to break them by all means.

If NJZ can get the injunction overruled and get some kind of creative freedom, it will be a absolute boost to their confidence and they can continue to remain relevant in the media, for the advertisers and people in general.

[bronze talon]

im more than 100% sure they will, why would they not after doing all of this tgt yk

[polar owl]

In the initial injunction ruling, the judge dismissed all the arguments put forward by NJZ as not substantive enough to warrant a termination.

Objection goes to the same court, so hopes are not too high. If they lose again, they can appeal to a higher court with probably a better chance of getting something in their favour

The main lawsuit is going to take some time. Next hearing is in 2 months, and this will probably require multiple hearings, and Ador can use potential delay tactics to drag this on further.

[short laurel]

Some of the ppl here really.

Ppl just really learn to read the whole conversation 1st instead of part of it n start calling it bs. Otherwise everything we are talking about becomes out of context bs.

[old cypress]

even with the context it's still bs lol

you think that taking the opposite stance of tokkis is being neutral. That is not being neutral. If you take in all the information since the start, being neutral is supporting njz like that attorney lee hyungon did. I remember he used to be neutral at first

People can correct others without having to diminish newjeans' case with groundless speculation

[short laurel]

Pls i m not talking about u or that so sush.

[old cypress]

you reacted to my message tho

[heady gate]

April 9 - Injunction objection hearing.

[short laurel]

For different reasons

[old cypress]

Okay. I'm not here to argue anyway so that will be it

[vale grove]

[ashen charm]

will they go live afteer the results?

[ornate zephyr]

suddenly everyone’s a lawyer 🤣

[heady gate]

We don't know how many hearings it will require.

[vale grove]

😣 praying newjeans makes it out of it all imma say

[old cypress]

should be towards end of month

the objection is 1 hearing if i'm not wrong

[stray aspen]

r they able to be live for danielles bday

[polar owl]

Should be...that's a personal event

[heady gate]

maybe her sister would run it

[ashen charm]

they just cant have any branding

[weak relic]

i was just kidding

[hollow sorrel]

~t https://x.com/catzkang/status/1907947103860699379

[narrow seal]

250404 반희수🫧 (@​catzkang) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/catzkang/status/1907947103860699379
The Court: "Isn't trust in this context implying that NewJeans wouldn’t have become a trainee at ADOR if it weren’t because of 🧢? Or am I misunderstanding this? Typically, trust is shattered over issues like non-payment or something like that, but this situation seems unique, so I need to consider more on what trust signifies in the realm of long-term management and production agreements."

[hollow sorrel]

ngl this is making me extremely confident like if the judge already acknowledges that the girls only joined ADOR, because of mhj, then I hope they also realize that ousting her without notifying the members is an ultimate breakdown of trust

and the case just began too

[raven kelp]

everyone being confident is making me lose confidence

[atomic echo]

how to not make sense 101

[raven kelp]

heh i always expect the worst and hope for the best

yk loser core

[hoary frost]

yea i think they will have one considering their new insta name

[vital orbit]

isnt the last bullet point due to the new management? not bc they wanted to

~t https://x.com/soyamoyas/status/1908145795175714817?t=Ty7XHfVvRlD-eGrwrpSWrg&s=19 seoulite is funded by HYBE?

[narrow seal]

250404 soy 🏎️🏁 {slow mode} (@​soyamoyas) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/soyamoyas/status/1908145795175714817
‼️ HYBE EMPLOYEE WANTS TO BULLY NEWJEANS TO D*ATH

Hybe Employee, Sean Lim, who used to run @theseoulite and made many viral tweets hating on Newjeans, including joking about Newjeans needing to "hang themselves".

Sean Lim's X account has been suspended, but he has still been posting on YouTube, with a channel 98% dedicated to hating on Newjeans.

Sean was found out to be a Hybe employee and had run another account famous for spreading debunked lies that often go viral thanks to Hybe fandoms.

Is it Hybe's intention to bully Newjeans until drastic measures?

[copper jetty]

Wait what? He's a Hybe employee?? Any credible source for this??

[hoary frost]

im looking into it and seems like he has an email with the hybe domain

[hoary frost]

where is this from?

[hollow sorrel]

idk which website this is it looks like it's translated because of the text being messed up

[copper jetty]

Yeah but Sean Lim is really common name. Idk unless there's a more tangible proof of this I'll count it as a conspiracy for now

[hollow sorrel]

it was under this post though

[hoary frost]

thing is name under him, seoulite is his thing 🧐 i am just wondering whats the context of this ss?

but yea its a common name

[copper jetty]

I'm thinking the user is looking for an email in hybe under the accounts connected to sean lim.

I don't think hybe will be that dumb though.

[hoary frost]

oh i just got it

"i'm sorry i was not able to find the email"

yea doesn't seem like enough...although this is just a scalping website it seems, nothing to do with hybe being dumb or not, just the email existing

[stiff prairie]

wow the court acknowledges this? this is kinda giving hope but it's the hope that kills u smh

[hoary frost]

wtf?

what is this account? why claim to be tokki?

[copper jetty]

That's a huge anti account right there spreading misinformation about us.

[marsh roost]

how much is 50 million won anyway, like 500 usd?

[half knot]

50K USD

or less now since won is very devaluated rn

[stiff prairie]

wait wasn't aespan jeans' account banned? or is this sniper2 kinda situation

[hollow sorrel]

I think it's the same person, but afaik they are korean so Team Bunnies can actually sue

[jade jolt]

They opened a New one both of them

[mild mist]

"as a representative of tokkis" - and who gave you that authority?

I don't remember signing anything allowing them to speak on my behalf

[short laurel]

It was released months ago n nothing came from it. Current assumption is that tgis is someone else

[storm warren]

team bunnies hired 4-5 law firms with that money

i guess hybe is triggered by TB's continuous protection and involvement

[short laurel]

I kinda lost trust in team bunnies cuz they said they have evidence of hybe pr telling media outlet to make articles against njz n they shared it with njz lawyers. In the injunction it should've been enough proof for njz to win but we heard nothing of it.

[steel depot]

but it's ador vs njz not hybe...

[storm warren]

thats quite harsh given the vital role they play in NJZ case overall

[short laurel]

Since sub labels under hybe share hybe services including pr. It is adors duty to take action against hybe for this but they didn't. Remember they said they can't do anything about hybr during girls 14 days notice.

[storm warren]

and as it was said, a lot of people are uncooperative as they do not want to go against hybe

we dont know full circumstances lol

[steel depot]

but let's not lose trust in the people who are doing the best they can...

[short laurel]

Yea ik raven but i m wondering what happened to those evidence?

[storm warren]

idk, we wait and see

[short laurel]

Thats all we can do.

[storm warren]

it would not be enough to overturn injunction imho as judge saw ador and hybe as separate entities and sejong lowkey failed to formulate their arguments well , but will def be helpful for main case

[short laurel]

Thing is ador uses hybe services. As i said above why did ador said they can't do anything about hybe during 14 days girls gave them.
Sejong really failed there cuz it looks more than enough as they said in main court any one if the mentioned complaints are enough for breach of trust.

[storm warren]

yeah, sejong needs to bring up hybe shared services in the future to connect ador and hybe

[chilly sun]

is it true that team bunnies is led by mhj pr team??

[cinder narwhal]

now where'd you hear that from

[short laurel]

It's as true as hybe pr not paying media outlets to attack njz.

[steel depot]

if it's true then okay mhj is still taking care of njz

[hollow sorrel]

Is it true that if the girls win the main lawsuit ADOR would have to pay them the penalty fee?

[subtle matrix]

I assume they would only have to pay legal fees

[grizzled summit]

why did they erase ig

[subtle matrix]

Probably advised to rename and delete posts by their legal team so it doesn't affect their case

[storm warren]

no, i am in charge of Team Bunnies

HYBE's next plan: discredit and attack Team Bunnies

they uploaded another twisted narrative on girls gallery to see reactions

twitter incels posted it and now media will be pushing it

[short laurel]

Hybe n it's stans: everything wrong with this world is mhj's fault.
N they believe it religiously

[storm warren]

its literally same pattern ALWAYS

[mild mist]

Emmanuel Goldstein Min Heejin

[storm warren]

like a clockwork

[chilly sun]

oh ok

[modest sluice]

Those who think like this should get out of the fandom immediately.
Your job is to ask why the court issued a ban when there are already laws about compensating for the remaining time,
not to attack Team Bunny.
If the court makes another idiotic ruling in the main trial, I bet you’ll end up attacking all five members.

And BNZs should start preparing for the possibility that the members won’t live in Korea anymore.
It’s not that the country is bad, it’s the trashy people who are banding together. Korean BNZs will keep fighting them.

[ashen charm]

I've give them the benefit of doubt but if the injunction results show that they didn't put everything on the table I don't have a good feeling

[vital orbit]

the link to the thread

[vital orbit]

imo since sejong rly isnt cooking maybe theyre saving their evidence for the appeal?

[vital orbit]

like they havent been providing everything they know so that when the appeal comes they go in hard with the arguments

i hope thats whats happening bc sejong is quite questionable

[bronze talon]

But the question is is that a smart move bc they knew the outcome could be the same in the injunction

If so then maybe the members and their legal team have been cooking the whole time and ador just doesn't know yet

Probably aiming at a 100% success rate
That's why they said we have to trust them, who knows

[ashen charm]

Well they can appeal twice can't they ?

[subtle matrix]

Object and then appeal

Different processes but both seek to overturn the first ruling

[old cypress]

It's reasonable to doubt sejong after what happened during the injunction. Though the injunction hearing was really short so it's also possible they didn't want to introduce new evidence and thought that the public evidence was enough

[bronze talon]

I don't wanna judge the judges ruling here completely but I've seen people talk about him/them not looking completely humane, idk

[old cypress]

what does that mean? they're reptilians? lol

[subtle matrix]

Worse. They're hybe stans

[bronze talon]

No like not looking completely humane from a moral standpoint

[mild mist]

probably that they thought "business business business, numbers"

[bronze talon]

Basically

[old cypress]

ah yeah for sure, the injunction judge had that pov

[subtle matrix]

I think it's just a case of injunctions and lawsuits being very different processes. The first hearing for the injunction was held March 7 I think? And the ruling was released on March 21, just 2 weeks later. In contrast the first hearing for the lawsuit was held April 3 and the second hearing won't be until June. For the injunction to be dismissed I think NJZ's legal team would have to drop enough evidence to make it an open-and-shut case, which this will never be because NJZ's case rests on a series of circumstantial events and not like one single big complaint. The lawsuit will be a longer process which gives them a better opportunity to establish a more cohesive set of arguments

[bronze talon]

Can lawyers or judges not see many circumstantial events as one big complaint on a human matter
I mean I piles up no? Why would so many different things not mean one thing which is clear, them not being handled and treated the way they should and them wanting to get out of there for also not correcting things they demanded no?

[subtle matrix]

That's what I'm saying it's more likely for that to happen in the lawsuit than in the injunction which is a much shorter process (and it's only supposed to be a temporary ruling)

[bronze talon]

Yep

[old cypress]

they can but this one simply didn't

[bronze talon]

I hope they can reveal all of it and even submit things we haven't heard of in the appeal or even in the objection
Idk how much time they have or events they can share/reveal
But I hope this event uppiling leads to them realising that they do NOT wanna go back and that there were actual shit things going on yk

[old cypress]

it's a lawsuit so they most likely have time to present everything

[mild mist]

if not now then when

[bronze talon]

Hopefully
I mean do you remember the pile of documents or papers on the national assembly desk the judge had when Hanni went there in October
He asked them passive aggressively if he should reveal all of it, he didn't ofc but the ador/hybe guy standing there didn't say a word

[subtle matrix]

I don't believe their legal team held back evidence (because the ruling is so damaging to them) but more so that the nature of the evidence makes it so they would have to subpoena it or call people to testify which I don't think was an option for the injunction

[steel depot]

the next one is in june 5th... i hope they reveal everything the girls told us what we know wasn't all of it and i believe them

[subtle matrix]

June 6th I believe

No 5th you are right

[bronze talon]

We just need to see if the objection can do something here

[bronze talon]

I'm not 100% confident yet
I heard that a diff judge will overlook this objection
Correct me if I'm wrong, I saw something like that on twitter

[subtle matrix]

I think the objection is unlikely to change anything, it's just a process they go have to through

[bronze talon]

So they can appeal ig

[subtle matrix]

Lawyers will probably argue that the ruling is too damaging for the group, etc., judge will uphold the ruling and then they can move to the appeal

[bronze talon]

Idk why they would, probably? But I'm still positive that they at least will see something new again through this objection even if the outcome is the same

Yk that will help the girls appeal and get out of there

[upbeat stream]

It's the same judge so don't expect anything different

[bronze talon]

Alright ye I don't expect much

[old cypress]

wonder if the lawyers will argue that hybe is in control of ador

[bronze talon]

if they see through the change of people in ador and see that some are in control of ador that were at hybe before, maybe
idk how much it matters tho since its about ador

[mild mist]

well you'd have to frame it as "these pricks were at hybe, and they did XX to us" "they then went to ADOR and did nothing to earn our trust"

[short laurel]

Learn to be nice 1st. My job is to support niz n njz alone. Not teambunnies, not mhj, not lawyers but njz.
N It's normal to have doubts when teambunnies said they have evidence but was nvr shown, they could be holding back.
N it wasn't even an attack.

[short laurel]

I hope so

[vital orbit]

yea but the appeal goes to a higher court or wtv doesnt it

i hate looking at optimistic tokkitwt being like "oh we're gonna be done with this in september or october." and like tryna be optimistic n allat when some ppl are saying it could take 3 years

[short laurel]

Whats with people who barely talked be4 n 1st thing they do is be rude to others here

[vital orbit]

i hate that

but for me i hate when im new to a kcord and someones already rude

[short laurel]

Yea teambunnies have done alot for njz n deserves respecting but it doesn't means we should start relying on them n give them 100% of our trust to the point that if one not trust them they should " get out of here"

[ashen charm]

Anyone else not see any support besides bunnies its like weird I'm on tk and x and I don't hear anything unless it comes directly from fan accounts

[short laurel]

cuz everyone is busy with their own thing. don't expect anything from people on groups they don't follow. they'll show support once something big comes out like result or leaks.

[ashen charm]

Could be well just have to pray something good happens

[frozen granite]

I haven’t been active on here & trying to back read but there’s so much, can someone give me a tlr on what’s happening ? Did something come up or just yapping ?

[austere widget]

yes, what i have been trying to find out too.

[upbeat stream]

Today? Nothing. I'm assuming you're caught up with yesterday

[ashen charm]

Besides haerin media play I think not much

[frozen granite]

I just know njz & njz_pr changed ig names

[ashen charm]

They did it so ador couldn't use that against them

[frozen granite]

Oh ok, then I guess I haven’t missed much, hope yall having a good day. Being out of the loop kind of feels nice ngl hope good news come out soon though 🙏🏻

[ashen charm]

I just hope the girls are doing okay eating and fighting throughout this whole thing

[vale grove]

This was exactly my mindset too but to be honest I feel like we can only go up from here

[tall plover]

Notorious anti who just spreads misinformation by posing as a fan

Same as snper22 whose a pedophile lol

[dapper root]

that is strue snper22 is a pedophile

and liazshyy is toxic or whatever

[vital orbit]

~t https://x.com/khiawings/status/1908640177351798882?t=VWQaeLpaqCM79QibAyTuSg&s=19

[narrow seal]

250405 ☆ (@​khiawings) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/khiawings/status/1908640177351798882
supernatural - njz (1999)

[tall plover]

Shes a necessary evil we must stan.

[vital orbit]

who remembers NewJeans? that old girl group?

[hot girder]

nah she's just evil. attacking other groups doesn't do anything but hurt the idols and set up NJZ for hate, which is what she's been doing for a whiiile now

[subtle matrix]

Idk how some people don't realise that being toxic to other groups doesn't do anything to help out your faves, it just makes the whole discourse more toxic. Or maybe they do and just use it as an excuse to be nasty

[hoary frost]

I think using groups as the shield just misdirects attention from the true culprit - which is exactly what they want

[bronze talon]

some people dont have enough braincells to think past the point to realise its all business and companies fault
almost never the idols themselves
idk why so many fans have this ego problem to let other idols or group look worse bc of this or that when they get a platform (large follower numbers)

[hoary frost]

I think twitter just breeds fanwars

a lot of trolls also

[copper current]

https://x.com/cliff_cow/status/1908674900140921035

Bunnies_CowCow (@cliff_cow) on X

DAZED | NewJeans dedicated to ‘necessary’ fight against K-Pop megalabel Hybe

https://t.co/AUfLg2tJVt

X · Apr 6, 2025, 12:15 AM

https://x.com/catzkang/status/1908675459602424312

반희수🫧 (@catzkang) on X

Please realize that what you come across on social media is just a tiny slice of the bigger picture. It’s only a small window into things. All the negative and upsetting comments you see online don’t really show what’s true out there in the world. In real life, a lot more people

X · Apr 6, 2025, 12:17 AM

[vale grove]

We really know not much.

[copper jetty]

Anyone know what they're talking about?

https://x.com/neviecutie/status/1908670793820602727?t=PdxUXx3LdBvZNWgZ5SArrA&s=33

♛Rose♛≷²⁰| ᥫ᭡ | (@neviecutie) on X

I also just realized Ador/hybe lied yet again.

NJZ PR came out with a statement saying ador wanted to stop the girls entertainment activities entirely. Ador then came out with a statement afterwards saying it wasn't true. Only for it to be brought up in court and approved...

X · Apr 5, 2025, 11:59 PM

[subtle matrix]

Probably referring to the "plan to send them on a long hiatus" thing

[tall plover]

Other groups have been actively fueling this entire cycle of toxicity lol

I don’t participate in it but if your entire brand is slandering NJZ in the most vile ways possible then that’s fair game 🤷‍♂️

[short laurel]

As if those kids have any control of what they are doing. It's very rare in kpop for new idols to have any say in what they do n hybe groups isn't one of them. The industry is very toxic like that. Blame the company, not the idols.

[stiff prairie]

Anything good update chat?

[grizzled summit]

yall the fact that blackpink, kof said the n-word and they got so blasted for it but rm said it no one's hating on him?

the misogyny

[copper current]

https://x.com/CakeDegg/status/1908748488172855694

Cake🍀 (@CakeDegg) on X

bunnies! If you have any materials that could serve as evidence to help newjeans/njz especially anything that could be used in court to show how HYBE/ADOR broke the trust or interfered with the members’ activities, pls send them to their legal representative
[e-mail]

X · Apr 6, 2025, 5:07 AM

[cinder narwhal]

[compact creek]

i think its prob due to the fact bps comebacks are reccent so they are rlly in the limelight now and also kiof doing something like THIS never crossed anyones minds

[cinder narwhal]

What have people across the globe seen that their lawyers haven't

[copper current]

like your thoughts, your logic, what you found out after seeing the evidences, sometimes people who work with the evidences cannot see things as clear as people who are outside and see them. I experienced things like that

[hoary frost]

yeah lol nothing wrong in it

[hollow sorrel]

yes, there was a video of an underage babymonster member dancing and he tweeted something like “yum”

[stiff prairie]

I refuse to believe the lawyers themselves asked for this cause no way fans would have something the lawyers don't.
Or maybe they're asking from reporters or journalist bunnies that might have evidence of hybe asking them to do mediaplay. Nothing else comes to my mind tbh

[hollow sorrel]

yeahh sejong is a 40 year old law firm just because 1 injunction wasn’t granted does not mean the lawyers are not good enough or don’t have enough evidence

[hoary frost]

I think there's more evidence against this Sniper22
These are the people being platformed,
Accounts with thousands of followers, dedicated solely to defaming young girls (literally mental illness) and these people like to say they are in the right

And if you take a look at their followers they mostly belong to that one specific fandom

https://x.com/a1071364/status/1908537946883637685 🤣 take a look at the comments under this. I think their group being on hiatus or whatever made them lose their mind

Aespann_jeans (@a1071364) on X

I caught a cold.🥲🤒💊🔙

X · Apr 5, 2025, 3:11 PM

[stiff prairie]

u broke the first rule of using twitter as a bunny! Never go on aespann jeans or sniper's profile unless u wanna report the account

[hoary frost]

I did report them

[stiff prairie]

Blackpink fans are pretty tough too. I bet they'll make old bts racism clips viral once they make a comeback too

[short laurel]

They really blaming mhj shaman

[short laurel]

Mostly likely bnz doing it themselves. No way their law firm asked fans for this.

[cinder narwhal]

this family stuff about the maknaez is the first thing i want scrubbed from my memory since all this started. feels too personal

i dont need to know this

[stiff prairie]

be me. haven't been on twitter or anwhere else for weeks, just tiktok a bit before i go to bed so even if i come accross hate post i don't have enough energy to engage besides report and scroll, just hop on njzcord from now and then to stay updated that's all

[honest sky]

I dont even see anything negative its full of Minji edits

[stiff prairie]

altho i wouldn't get any update here if y'all don't use twitter too lol

[half knot]

I don't even

[stiff prairie]

on tiktok? my tiktok is pretty healthy ngl. one hate post for every 30-40 normal posts almost

[honest sky]

Rverywhere 😹

[stiff prairie]

nah. i'm pretty sure if i go on twitter i'll see some dumbass tokki quoting or ss-ing some hate posts in order to "clap back" which will just make me mad for no reason

i appreciate their effort tho for better or worse. sometimes they can be a bit too much, sometimes they're necessary

[red thorn]

Necessary evil ones maybe are the active shooters that attacking unhinged slanderers
Attacking groups/members is not necessary

[subtle matrix]

Hey KOIF didn't say the n word

They were racist in other, more creative, ways

[thorny knot]

they def thought it as cultural appreciation for the party but it didn't end up that way, the bp situation didn't help them either tho

[short laurel]

2 members are form USA so they got no excuse for being ignorant.

[thorny knot]

yeah i was more so talking about the other two idk what julie and bell where thinking

[cinder narwhal]

variety is the spice of life

[grizzled summit]

correct but i wanna see everyone hating on rm for the same reason, he

he's been appropriating black culture for far way too long and said the n word and never apologised and people say 'hes the punching bag of kpop' oh please

[copper jetty]

Armys probably will tell you "he apologized for it already, blah blah blah"... as if that excuses what he did then. Where's that clip im'ma put it under those Jennie post. I just don't have that clip.

[grizzled summit]

fr

[short laurel]

yea cuz bts. if it was another bg army would be first to call em out.

[grizzled summit]

fr

[short laurel]

u can do as bear said but it'll get you tons of notification and u might even get mass reported and the hate comments u'll get from that will be too much. just not worth it to get into the drama for your mental health. u can however tell drama queens like lia about this and watch from behind.

[empty halo]

and the fact that julie has already been called out for saying the n word as a trainee and APOLOGIZED for it just to be racist again

shes truly committed to the art

[thorny knot]

idk where you got that info but it's not true

[empty halo]

theres... a video of it.... you can look up julie rapping the n word on youtube

[thorny knot]

regardless

[thorny knot]

that is not her, that's blackpink

anyway drop it

[empty halo]

im not sure if i can upload links but if youd like i can literally send u the link to the yt video of JULIE HAN rapping the n word

[thorny knot]

bruh just drop it

[empty halo]

okay bro

[jade jolt]

Bcs People will never cancel boy groups or members from a boy group and it s annoying af

[subtle matrix]

They're talking about an older event

[grizzled summit]

no, they docancel but they have privileges as 'hard working oppas' or smth

[empty halo]

it was uploaded like 4 years ago yes, its still up on yt

[jade jolt]

Lots of bs

[hoary frost]

do ppl other than their fan themselves even care about bgs enough to cancel?

[empty halo]

bg stans can get over their idols doing the worst things ever

[hoary frost]

I actually have no idea of the new bgs

[empty halo]

the only one i know is riize and thats bc of the seunghan thing and uhh yea thats it SDFNSHFHS

u dont hear a lot about them in 4th-5th gen

[subtle matrix]

I feel like what KIOF did on the stream is arguably worse than singing the n-word as part of an existing song, but this is not NJZ related and we should indeed drop it

[empty halo]

agreed and agreed

[short laurel]

only time bg members have chance of getting cancelled is secret girlfriend or wife. this is the only case i've seen

[copper jetty]

Namiko you're devious. I didn't even think of of lia

[analog depot]

Any NJ updates today?

[copper current]

https://x.com/newjeansnews_/status/1838736789709951357

NJZNEWS🇰🇷 (@newjeansnews_) on X

[📞🐰Hanni Phoning Chat]

🐰Our Bunnies… Are really strong🥹🥹
🐰how are we so lucky to have people like you all with us
🐰Just… These days I was thinking about it a lot
🐰If i don’t say it Bunnies won’t know I think this
🐰just… wanted to let you know

X · Sep 25, 2024, 12:26 AM

[old cypress]

Yeah, many keep saying that njz should've stayed quiet like illit and lsfm did but the truth is the latter 2 groups are simply not allowed to voice their opinions at all

kpop fans are so used of seeing their idols suffer in silence that they start doubting whoever is speaking up and calling them attention seeker

[short laurel]

i remember how chuu was treated similarly by stans, anti's and media. i didn't follow that case but from what i saw opinion started to shift only after other members start speaking up bit by bit with more details leaked.

[upbeat stream]

You know what's interesting? Lee Jin-ho tried to create a narrative that Chuu hates the other members and the conflict with bbc is at least partly due to that. Now hybe is attempting the same division tactics, but it ain't working

[hot girder]

groups? that's their fans

saying the most vile shit to other groups doesn't make you better. just equally evil + you gain nothing out of being an asshole towards other idols just because you want to defend your faves

[tall plover]

Groups as in fans yeah

[hot girder]

that stantwt mindset is incredibly toxic, and people like Lia who participate in it should go deactivate and do something more productive. And she keeps setting the girls up

https://tenor.com/view/btweers-treyreloaded-gif-9529333981435756210

[austere widget]

i actually never knew that???

[grizzled summit]

Sadly yes many people don't know yet

The hypocrisy of other antis to say njz didn't control bunnies on hate train on lsfm an illit (even tho monsteiz also joined in on the hate train and illit deserve it for bad vocals), doesn't bts ever remind their fans not to hate on other groups?? Ironic people smh I just wanna kill them

[heady gate]

Idols usually don't oppose other idols. Fans are the issue.

[unkempt linden]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1157060847894544495.webp?size=96&animated=true

[short laurel]

I always complain how bts nvr tell off their fandom. It's by biggest complaint to them.

Hanni meanwhile so openly told off bnz on shipping members.

[unkempt linden]

omg Namiko the goat

[subtle matrix]

illit deserve it for bad vocals

No one deserves to get hated on for having bad vocals live/lipsyncing/whatever. Especially bc I'm pretty sure you can point out examples for almost every artist out there where the live singing wasn't great. And there's a difference between commenting on bad vocals vs using it as an excuse to harass and bully artists

[short laurel]

Tbh if u are looking for great vocals n live singing in performances, idol industry isn't for u. Here vocal is 3rd or 4th in priority. Appears, perfect looks n super friendly, standing on some pedestal as perect being is the main thing they sell.

[hot girder]

Eh there's still a handful of groups that can actually sing

these idols train for years I think it's fair to expect them to sing decently well

[short laurel]

Yea but that's cuz the singers there work on it. Companies not really invest as much in vocal training.

[hot girder]

They definitely should invest more in vocal training, as much as being an idol means being pretty and cute all the time, they're making music as well. It's also one of the main focuses other than being beautiful on stage

Hybe is the main perpetrator of having groups that sing like shit, and I honestly don't know why lol

[short laurel]

If u deep dive into kpop idol industry. ull find soo many gr8 singers but they never get the popularity they deserve meanwhile u c lesser skilled more popular cuz of marketing n specific style that appeal ratger than vocals.

[subtle matrix]

I'd say being a great singer isn't a priority for idols but the vast majority of idols can sing reasonably well. Put them in a recording booth with a song that fits their range and they'll do great. But even a great singer (which most idols aren't) is gonna have bad moments doing a live show with a very demanding choreo

[short laurel]

Actually it's problem with other big 3 too. They just have higher standards when recruiting with sm having highest.

[hot girder]

the top groups rn can handle themselves on stage nicely

aespa, IVE, lesserafim

[short laurel]

What i m saying is the recruiters select trainees who are already somewhat skilled singers in sm n jyp

[hot girder]

well that should be the standard

[short laurel]

Also priority of 3rd n 4th isn't far so there still is vocal training. Just not as much as they should

[subtle matrix]

I've seen some people make the point that HYBE groups also try to sing live more than other labels. The last aespa tour had a lot of people complain about them relying way too much on lipsyncing. I haven't watched any of them live so I couldn't say

[hot girder]

If I want to see people looking pretty all the time I'd just go see models. That's the difference with idols, yes they prioritize looks but they are also performers

[short laurel]

Watching idols survival show unfortunately it is not. Hybe's survival show included. Better skilled are rejected in favour of looks n younger age

[subtle matrix]

Regardless even if the kpop industry as a whole doesn't focus on singing skills, I feel like the people who actually go to shows still mostly enjoy it and don't complain much, it's mainly internet trolls using it as an excuse to hate on groups.

[short laurel]

No, hybe too use alot of lip syncing. The groups that use lip sync least are nugu groups.

[hot girder]

I think that's a company issue rather than skill issue. The members themselves have proven they have more than enough vocal training to know they can actually sing, but SM is known to push playback on their idols specially aespa for some reason

[short laurel]

That is true.

[hot girder]

There's that one clip of Winter being pissed she can't actually use her vocals because of the backtrack, so she just looks kinda mad while lipsyncing lol

[short laurel]

SM is so dumb here cuz the company is known for having best vocally skilled singers in the industry. That's why it annoys us as fans even more

[hot girder]

Last point is specifically true because it's simply used to drag other groups and uplift others

[mild mist]

never allowing their groups to sing is an SM classic

[hot girder]

SM train the fuck out of their idols vocals but also won't let them actually use those skills live... like what's the vision here

[short laurel]

RV everytime after their cb promotion ends finds a way to give us atleast 1 new song in live vocals. Without that I'd be crying everytime. They sound soo much better live than studio version.

[subtle matrix]

Last year I went to a stadium show by one of my favourite bands and ngl it was awful. It was way too windy and you could tell they were straining. I've been to several of their shows indoors and they are usually great but that one was pretty bad. It's just the nature of live shows, sometimes it doesn't go according to plan. Using something like that to hate on artists is vile

[short laurel]

N spends nothing on promotion n put all older groups cb in November n december with space of 1 week each. 😂😭

[mild mist]

probably to uphold the 'perfect' image of the idol upon a pedestal, invulnerable to all

[short laurel]

Hope wendy n yeri can now give us more live singing since they left sm.

[hot girder]

thats what I was thinking. letting them actually sing opens a window of possibilities where they have equal chances of sounding great, and sounding bad. so they just close that window most of the time to avoid any slip-ups that might break that 'perfect' idol image

kpop fans love to pretend they don't see idols as a product, but the moment a group or idol they don't like sounds bad, they go absolutely bananas on them, further supporting companies train thought of "well, if they sound bad once, they're no longer perfect"

[short laurel]

U should check out non idol industry in kpop or kmusic. So many gr8 singers with main focus on music.

[hot girder]

I do listen to non-idols yes, even asked for some recommendations here. There's good stuff outside the mainstream

[short laurel]

Akmu check them out. They are bnz too. U probably have seen them in nj videos

[hot girder]

yesss I like their song that went viral

https://tenor.com/view/new-jeans-jeans-minji-love-love-lee-gif-11929447579059335624

[old cypress]

they're probably not allowed to, unfortunately

[upbeat stream]

They have enough power to do it

[old cypress]

no, their contracts don't allow them to do that

jungkook once tried he got shut down

[short laurel]

They have enough power to scare hybe with leaving the coming. Every groups once aged have had enough power to make company meet their demands. Jk case was peer pressure with other members. But they do have power the make bighit meet their demands. N free will to tell of fans. It's just there's no will to do so.

If they not, then i m sorry if it sounds rude but they are pathetic in that case. Hybe's biggest money maker is bts after all.

[old cypress]

They're probably too afraid of hybe. While bts is the main moneymaker, hybe has enough successful groups to go on even without bts and hybe can run bts careers into the ground by using the same mediaplay tactics they used against newjeans. But i'm just assuming so I could be wrong.

What I can say for sure is jungkook tried to tell his fans to stop hating on newjeans and hybe shut him down and twisted his message and jungkook did nothing to correct it. Which confirms that he got silenced. And also that HYBE can sue bts members if they damage the BTS brand and I assume hybe considers ARMY as part of the bts brand.

And V is known to be close with mhj so i'm pretty sure that they're either afraid of hybe or they are unable to speak about the matter

not everyone can be as brave as newjeans

[short laurel]

Thise jk n v case are not explained much tbh n as for hybe successful groups. Having numbers on Spotify n being actually successful are different. Their groups aside from svt are not as big as they appear.

Lose will be huge for hybe if bts members ever left. Hybe didn't diversify well enough yet.

[old cypress]

Yeah but they'll survive and still be a big 4. TXT Enhypen lsfm illit svt bnd are all actually successful groups by all metrics

[short laurel]

I m gonna be honest. I don't think most of those has as much intl reach as it appears on streaming sites. N hybe main focus is very much intl. They are successful but not the standard of success hybe wants them to be. Idk if they'll still be big4. In fact many even now question if hybe can be considered part of big 4 yet.

Ofc it's just my opinion based on what I've seen.

[old cypress]

I'm not even talking about streaming sites, they have high album sales and successful tours, pretty much on the same level as other top groups

[short laurel]

High sales are sus cuz of album pushing, one of their groups not even known n had 1m sales.
Ik svt has alot of tours almost too much but others honestly idk. I just don't c anyone in kpop who knows about other groups or their music as much outside the controversies.

[upbeat stream]

Being with hybe has been very benificial to them, can't really blame them for trying to not that relationship

They will be huge outside of hybe too, but from their perspective, why rock the boat?

[old cypress]

You're just being biased I assure you they're well known lol

[short laurel]

I hope i m cuz of my circle. Cuz seriously all everyone in my circle knows is the drama surrounding them cuz of how loud media is on them..

[old cypress]

because they're popular, precisely...

[upbeat stream]

I would say there is some concern for illit though, they have only managed one hit so far

[old cypress]

yeah illit is different but it's a matter of wait&see

[short laurel]

Popular in not so good way. Lsfm n illit debuted with huge drama.

[upbeat stream]

But the others are very successful no question

[short laurel]

But regardless non of them matches bts. N will be huge lose for hybe if members ever leave which hybe would not want to c

[old cypress]

yeah it's a loss but they'll survive. Even if HYBE gets 50% smaller they're still the largest kpop company

[short laurel]

It'll still hurt hard. Shares are bound to get hit hard. N hybe will be comparable to other big 3 then. Even though ppl still question if hybe is considered big 4 or not

[old cypress]

so, they will survive lol

[subtle matrix]

Anyone questioning if hybe is big 4 is delirious

[short laurel]

I m waiting to c how tws goes. There 1 song was super hit but i saw not much noise on other sing.

[subtle matrix]

Unless they mean "there's hybe and there's the big 3" because rn hybe is by far the biggest

[short laurel]

Big 3 are not just by plain numbers but roots. Other 3 has huge history n hybe is relatively new with too much relience on 1 group.

[mild mist]

if anyone's in danger of dropping from 'the big 4' it's YG
starship can't be far behind with that ive money

[old cypress]

if they confirm with kiiikiii starship might join

[short laurel]

Yg for sure yes. Might be next cube.

[old cypress]

YG is fine they got baemon it's a great group and doing very well

[short laurel]

Starship needs huge successful bg too. Do they have 1?

[old cypress]

not yet

but the point is ive is so successful that it's giving starship the tools to expand

[short laurel]

Baemon had too much number through ads n album pushing initially. Did tgey overcome tgat now?

[old cypress]

album pushing is meaningless long term. Because they get returned eventually. As for ads, they still have massive organic views according to that website

[short laurel]

Good for them then.

[old cypress]

and their sales are very good and they chart high on melon. Overall quite solid, just missing a #1 hitter

[compact creek]

i had a question, cause recently i have seen like videos/reels saying that hanni lied in court regarding the incident where a manager was cold towards her

[old cypress]

hanni didn't lie

[subtle matrix]

The historical argument is fine but even with 0 BTS releases they had 8 of the 22 albums to reach 1 million certified sales last year, and their streaming numbers are absurd - 3 out of the top 6 GGs in monthly listeners on spotify and 4 out of the top 6 BGs. They're a monster

[short laurel]

Hanni didn't lie. It's media n ador who twisted her story n think that we are fools

[compact creek]

ok i see i just wanted to make sure cause ktube is going crazy like always w this...

[short laurel]

Bts solo members were very active in these timeline

[compact creek]

from thumbnails ive seen it looks like the show what happened that day but idk

[short laurel]

The day if video clip was different day from what hanni said

[old cypress]

hybe lied with the video they didn't show the event in question

[compact creek]

ohhh ok

[old cypress]

if you're not sure, remember that hanni said she was alone; and in the video you see danielle

[short laurel]

N hanni said members did greet her. Her problem is with managers words who btw ignored hanni n dani even in that wrong video

[compact creek]

ok yea watching it from this i see now

its frustrating how much of grip hybe has on the public from what ive seen

theres so much misnfo and slander being spread about the girls

[mild mist]

problem is that people want to believe it

[old cypress]

and hybe is really fast with information. People tend to believe the first information they hear

when it all started hybe released articles saying that mhj accused bts of plagiarism and just like that hybe enrolled all armys

[compact creek]

well ive seen armys in particular be very mean to njz for some strange reason

[old cypress]

yeah because armys think hybe = bts so they're defending hybe

[compact creek]

any post that is slutshaming them and just slandering in general will always have a 7 or purple heart, not all the time but more than likely

[mild mist]

bts fans have had a strong dislike for min heejin for some time

why? no idea

[old cypress]

because of the initial fake news of mhj saying that bang pd stole her idea of creating bts

[mild mist]

nah it's been going on longer than that

[old cypress]

you mean before the initial audit?

[short laurel]

Kpoppies hates mhj since forever cuz of all the rumours. They supported nj on debut cuz it was fanwar with sm groups stans. But they all just hate mhj.

[subtle matrix]

Also the V birthday message thing

[short laurel]

That came much later in drama though.

[old cypress]

yeah this was much later

[short laurel]

Mhj is an example of how much hated women are in the industry over rumors by intl vs men who have proven disgusting record but barely any hate by intl n korean

[chilly sun]

is it just me who doesn’t think mhj is a good person…..

[frozen granite]

No one is a 100% good person lol

[compact creek]

i dont like her aswell

[chilly sun]

well ofc but mhj in particular

[chilly sun]

glad i’m not alone lol i support the girls 100% but i don’t like mhj

[frozen granite]

I hope to hear good news soon … but until then I’ll refrain myself from being in any kpop space & enjoy life rn

[subtle matrix]

"If good people can do bad things and bad people can do good things, who are we to decide which is which?" or however it goes

[compact creek]

right cause the more i learn about this case theres just some things i find wrong with how she handled it like i dont hate her or wish her death but i cant bring myself to rlly support her like i do w njz

[hoary frost]

Most lsfm and Illit hate had nothing to do with njz...I am tired of their stupid excuses like that

[subtle matrix]

I think MHJ most likely has a big ego, and is a very abrasive person. Whether she's a good person or not, who am I to say

[short laurel]

Regardless of what everyone thinks but girls seems to really like her n there's no denying that under her lead girls got really good treatment Ull almost never ever c in kpop.

[hoary frost]

Yeah. Everyone has issues but seems like girls trust mhj and her production quality and artistic vision is great

[short laurel]

Definitely.

[hoary frost]

All criticism is valid but when you are having no issue with yg, jyp, hybe, sm CEOs etc and just pointing out mhj as big evil

[chilly sun]

for me it was after all the kakao talk messages where she talked badly about the girls and didn’t confirm that they were fake but rather “taken out of context”

[short laurel]

Exactly

[short laurel]

I not remember her exact words but we assumed that she was calling bsh fat. Or even if she was calling trainees fat. U know how kpoo is maybe she means the trainee not thin enough cuz industry is super sensitive about this n even most normal slim person is called fat there

But honestly i not remember what the chat exactly were

[compact creek]

yea ever since i saw that i was confused tbh. i should prob look more into it but there was also like how she worded (i think???) sakura being "too old" for the concept of njz which i get what she was trying to say but still came off as harsh and another reason for sakura to be a punching bag . as the adult of the situation i feel like she couldve guidied njz better

[hoary frost]

Well thing is they say this lipsyncing stuff as a response to being told their vocals are bad. Do they try to imply aespa vocals are bad? Because lol
I mean competing against aespas vocal as a HYBE fan is a lost battle

[subtle matrix]

You're most likely right about LSF but go to any ILLIT tiktok post and you'll see several "NJZ never dies / ILLIT needs to apologise to NJZ / Copying NJZ" and other similar comments. There's no question most of the harassment they receive is related to NJZ (whether it's by NJZ fans or not can be argued)

[chilly sun]

not even just that but when she referred to them as “immature kids” and “i feel disillusioned when i see them looking in the mirror thinking about dancing” like no sorry absolutely not

[hoary frost]

That's a response to their thing where they said hanni apologize to illot

Illit had alot of factors
It's a survival show so there's a lot of animosity, I remember seeing alot of hate to wonhee from the start, other hate as well I don't remember at debut
And they had the encore stuff as we

[subtle matrix]

Do we need to go back to the "answering toxicity with more toxicity does nothing to defend your favourites" argument

[short laurel]

Immature kids can explained cuz kids but 2nd one is harsh. I not remember these, i only remember drama over word fat.

[hoary frost]

Where did I say that? I am just explaining how these comments are unrelated to the initial hate train Illit fans were talking about

[brazen ice]

i remember the word dumb kids being mentioned somewhere. love how all this drama just becomes a game of broken telephone at some point lmao

[hoary frost]

I am 100% against hating on any group and those comments are terrible

[short laurel]

They were also originally in korean so we gotta make sure true meaning is translated well.

[chilly sun]

her exact quote was: “I’m enduring disgust while working hard LOL. Feels like i’m working hard for the benefit of others wasting time feeding immature kids.” I can find you the source if needed i think i have it saved in my cr

oh i can’t send photos yet i’ll try find a link

[brazen ice]

i just remember the fat and pig calling being said was towards bsh. but there were some words thrown at trainees

[short laurel]

Could be from somu days too

[subtle matrix]

I know you didn't say it, that's what I'm saying. There's no excuse to being toxic

[vale grove]

In more creative ways is a crazy way to put it but yes they were mocking black culture and making it seem like a “concept” and put out an awful apology which sucked because I rlly liked them 😭💔

[chilly sun]

it was in dec 2023 so idk…

[vale grove]

Wait who said this again??

[short laurel]

Girls had already long debuted by then though

[chilly sun]

mhj

[brazen ice]

tbh doesnt matter if it was directed to the girls or not. it was a bad comment to give to anyone

[compact creek]

hurt to remove their songs from my playlist and unfollow them

[vale grove]

about who omg?????

[chilly sun]

towards njz she didn’t even deny it was fake

[frozen bronze]

nothing wrong with that message specifically imo

[hoary frost]

Yeah of course I'm just explaining how Illit and lsfm had alot of different aspects to hate trains and the way they point it just on bnz is too much for me
Like especially wonhee, predebut even, it wasn't bnz doing that, people were hating on her so hard
People love to basically start hate on random kpop female idols randomly because of their own headcanons
So I do feel sympathy but I am tired of these army turned Illit fans now trying to rewrite history

[chilly sun]

it’s fine if you think that but for me i don’t like people who say stuff like that towards anyone

[vale grove]

The mhj message??

[frozen bronze]

yes

[short laurel]

We don't know whom hybe said towards girls but it was emplyig even fat word towards girls but it looked more like toward bsh. She didn't confirmed or denied anything from it. Just hybe illegally took her kkt chat

[hoary frost]

I don't really care if mhj has an ego or said arrogant things ngl

[vale grove]

I’m so confused omg

[hoary frost]

These messages are kinda nothingburgers to me

[subtle matrix]

I'm conflicted about those MHJ messages because they sound pretty awful but also kinda sound like private banter lol like just letting loose on coworkers to blow up steam

[chilly sun]

good for you lol

[vale grove]

I don’t care if she has an ego but I definitely wouldn’t tolerate her saying things about nwjbs unless it was taken out of context.

[hoary frost]

This was about njz?

[frozen bronze]

think about how many of the messages you send could be taken out of context like that, nobody is perfect or has to be nice all the time, its a business
she called them immature because they likely were immature
benefit of others is likely referencing to her higher ups in hybe and the first sentence doesnt have context

not trying to reach for straws to defend her, theres plenty of things i dont agree with but this is a nothing burger

[short laurel]

It was private banter

[vale grove]

I dunno that’s what I was asking

[chilly sun]

she said they were taken out of context but imo the things she said don’t even need context. it’s up to you to decide whether you care or not

[hoary frost]

But yeah I mean if you're privately discussing you would spew frustration about your work, I think it's normal

[frozen bronze]

shes venting about her boss, just like literally everyone else

[chilly sun]

i guess

[vale grove]

Omg I’m confused

[frozen bronze]

this is the kind of thing you dont know youre susceptible to until someone suddenly has access to every message youve ever sent

[vale grove]

So it’s speculative if it’s abt njz or bsh

[subtle matrix]

The messages do pose a optics problem for NJZ siding with her

[chilly sun]

i think you watch her press conference again if you want to understand better!

[subtle matrix]

But in a vacuum I don't think they were that bad

[vale grove]

Okay thanks!

[chilly sun]

then it’s out of her own mouth and can’t be disputed lol

[short laurel]

Even parents siding with her

[vale grove]

I have a lot of feelings abt this bc I lowkey forgot about those messages

[chilly sun]

TikkiTokkiTV on youtube has it fully translated with english subs for you, i can find the point she starts speaking about the messages if you would like

[vale grove]

Sure I’d appreciate that!!

[short laurel]

It's nothing to care about in this case. Regardless of how mhj is, we know for a fact that hybe bad n girls need to get out of hybe n that's what is important to us as fans

[vale grove]

Also thank u guys for being respectful 2 me

[chilly sun]

i just think it’s a point to consider tbh

[vale grove]

I kinda only kept myself semi updated on all of this bc it’s like a lot

[subtle matrix]

I think that there's so much information out there you're either semi updated or overwhelmed by all the information

[vale grove]

I’m both omg

[short laurel]

Rn i m focused in this https://x.com/DOGE/status/1908261360565194834
They messed up super duper bad here. Like really really bad

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[subtle matrix]

I don't think anyone can be fully aware of all the angles in this case

[short laurel]

N Majority of things we know are he say she say. Not much concrete evidence.

[brazen ice]

genuinely the only way any of us could form a concrete opinion on all of this was if we were in their walls lmao. there is so much we do not know

[compact creek]

tru but tbh i am biased towards njz even if i dont agree with all their actions

[brazen ice]

ye weird decisions sometimes but i hate greedy companies so ofc. njz all the way

[storm warren]

aside from "there is so much we don't know", the case was massively derailed and polluted with irrelevant or unnecessary news

the core issues get lost into narrative war and bullshittery

all thanks to pro establishment media, cyber wreckers and kpop fans

people lost track of how it started, why it started, what are relevant details around the case itself for both mhj case or njz case...hence, why some bunnies are starting from the scratch and making timelines to give clear picture of whats going on or why

[compact creek]

would irrelevant news be like stuff saying taht theres a split between one of the parents i think haerins regarding the matter cause ive been seeing a ton of vids like that

[storm warren]

yeah, them attacking njz members over issues that has no relevance to the case and only purpose is to run reverse viral aka negative mediaplay,
or hybe using shamanism against mhj, or bringing up bunch of groups like riize and tws before her press con to paint her as psycho or smth, even bringing up her dead sister.

[compact creek]

oh ok i didnt even know about that... and i never really looked into the shaman thing, so basically they lied about that? she didnt go out of her way to find a shaman to make sure njz debut was perfect?

[storm warren]

its probably strategy, always bring up more irrelevant issues and exaggerate something that would be non issue if we never knew it to deflect and bury whats actually relevant

[storm warren]

she did consult w shaman, but it aint got anything to do with "mhj is trying to take over ador with 18% of shares versus hybe's 80%"

[compact creek]

ohhh ok yea cause when i first heard that tbh i just thought it made her seem more crazy

[storm warren]

iirc she was dentist before becoming shaman or something and been friends since when she was dentist lol

yeah, they were assassinating her character in public's eye before press con

that was the only purpose of all these useless stories that came out

[subtle matrix]

I don't think the media latched on to it because she was messaging a "shaman" as much as they did due to the content of the messages lol

[compact creek]

also would njz be meeting up with the one bunny taytokki be irrelevant cause i heard them doing that only hurted them more, but i was just confused abt that???

looking back at this its really not that big of a deal.. this is just like fortune telling or something and just wishing the best for their success

right ok see when i saw that i didnt rlly think this would hurt njz cause for the most part taytokki just talks about post that blantantly lie and slander njz or just from what ive seen\

[hoary frost]

yeah nothing but bs

[subtle matrix]

And you know the "taking over the company" stuff

[compact creek]

yea ive def been doing that esp when it comes to accounts that clearly have a bias. like u can have an opinion on the situation but to spread misinfo to purpsoefully slander njz is all ive been seeing

like i remember seeing this one video claiming that minji was making light of that dui situation with suga but it was clearly taken out of context

[hoary frost]

I mean how does meeting up with a fan suddenly mean you know and agree with everything they said

[storm warren]

???? its all in armys heads

[hoary frost]

That's insanely stupid
Actually, njz have not any thing to "cancel" over
so they are mad and make up stupid scenarios

[storm warren]

they probably picked up her phoning messages from here and there and said it was about suga or whoever

thats what sniper and that another account do 24/7

[compact creek]

yes, and literally everyone in the comments we're saying shes a brat shes spoiled all this and im rlly not trying to sound like obsessed or something but MINJI doing something like that made no sense whatsoever

[subtle matrix]

@hoary frost I was talking about why those messages became so mediatic not whether or not they are real or fake

[storm warren]

hybe stans have audacity to talk about njz meeting w taly during their most vulnerable time while they platform biggest misogynists and racists

[compact creek]

and accoutns that send rape/death threats

[storm warren]

they have like 4 big accounts that constantly slutshame, bodyshame, stalk, being xenophobic to njz, but wanna talk about how poor their faves are

[compact creek]

just disgusting

[hoary frost]

this type of language is what you use towards a child

Njz went through vigorous training and we can see from their skills, and they seriously live in a land where they think njz are "spoiled" 🤣

[subtle matrix]

Hard to know what is real or fake when there's so much information constantly being published

[storm warren]

xxx paved the way so everyone who gets to have better start than xxx are spoiled and privileged bc their poor oppas had to endure all the mistreatment

[hoary frost]

Well, seems like their oppa supports njz lol...

its all in their head, everyone who works with njz thinks positively of them

lol

[storm warren]

atp i learnt that every rumor that starts in girls planet gallery, ends up in lee jinho's channel and then in kmedia like tv daily 10asia chosun etc cant be trusted

[subtle matrix]

DM me the info you mentioned

[hoary frost]

how did gp999 gallery turn like that?
actually unrelated but i am never watching another survival show, it creates too much bitterness in my heart

[storm warren]

it was gg discussion place before hybe drama

it was always hateful place, now more invaded by hybe part timers and incels

they strategically attack theqoo, pann, etc as well

[compact creek]

exactly its strange how when doing this its clear umm i forgot who this is but HE supports NJZ not hybe but armys still go out of their way to talk shit about njz

[hoary frost]

this is jungkook

[compact creek]

thanks yea i sometimes forget the bts members

[heady gate]

Hearing on April 9 at 2 PM KST

[old cypress]

the girls 100% support mhj and their parents 100% support mhj and their staff who get 100% of the girls' support also 100% supports mhj. But apparently people on the internet know better than them

The kakaotalk messages were proven misleading. Taken out of context yes but take the fat shaming example, it turned out that she was talking about hybe execs not newjeans.

and the "leaks" came from lee jinho, the cyberwrecker who bullied kim saeron to death. This is the man who convinced you to not like mhj

Personally between lee jinho and njz I'm picking njz any day

The same guy also smeared chuu saying that the rest of loona hated her btw

[subtle matrix]

What's his role in the leaks?

[old cypress]

Shortly after the audit started, he 'leaked' a bunch of mhj kakaotalk chats

dispatch and leejinho were the two main outlets leaking 'confidential' info from the audit

it was the main thing that started the massive hate towards mhj although she was already a controversial figure before

[subtle matrix]

Ah it was two separate leaks

I thought everything had come from dispatch

[old cypress]

yeah it was both

and since they didn't communicate with each other it led to situations where they used the same kakaotalk message for different narratives

[compact creek]

does anyone know if duhfregend is a reliable source on insta?

[empty halo]

absolutely not he lies very often and also presents info out of context, he absolutely DISLIKES members of nj too

[compact creek]

thats what i thought aswell like he gives the general sum of events but there is bias

[craggy skiff]

I dont know why people take her shaman thing like something serious. In asia, korea especially, its like a part of culture.
Even if it not asia, don't they still practice prayer rituals, astrology, or tarot of all kinds in the west?

[empty halo]

def and I've observed him being hateful/mean to a few female kpop idols, its best to not use him as a source of info

[craggy skiff]

He is being prosecuted for defamation and spreading rumors about an actress who recently passed away, I don't remember her name.
Do you really think this kind of person cares about "reliable source" before spreading news?

[compact creek]

yes tbh i feel like the shaman thing was just another tactic to paint her as weird/odd

[compact creek]

oh i did not know about that. its just cause i get recommended some of his reels abt njz but it seems like he spreads information that isnt relevant to the case or that is blantly taken out of context

[empty halo]

DUHFREGEND ON INSTAGRAM??? HUH WHEN DID THIS HAPPEN I thought he just made ragebait kpop content

r u talking about the korean cyberwrecker or something or....

[craggy skiff]

I talk about lee jin hoo. He is temporarily banned from posting content related to Kim Sae Ron for 3 months (what a joke)
He has been constantly posting information about her personal life, spreading rumor while she tries to work extra to earn money to pay off debts from her old company.
After Kim Sae Ron's death, he immediately deleted his old videos. However, her family is still filing a lawsuit against him.

[craggy skiff]

ah. I just realize I talking about lee jin ho, not DUHFREGEND

[empty halo]

😭
Lee Jin Ho is despicable def cyberwtecker culture in korea in general is crazy

and why is it always men in their late 30s or 40s who are cyberwreckers exposing info on celebrities

[empty halo]

yeha

[compact creek]

oh ok 😭 still good to know to stay away from WHATEVER he says

[copper current]

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https://twitter.com/bborbnz/status/1908796123172446313
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250407 bbor (@​bborbnz) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/bborbnz/status/1909082811753283879
https://t.co/1h8usysRaC

[thorny knot]

pls b-day live

[short laurel]

Btw going to shaman in korea is similar to going to priest. So it's not as crazy as it sounds, but fairly common practice

[ashen charm]

Yall how do I get out of jury duty

[half knot]

Ask the judge about jury nullification loudly.

though I am not sure what jurisdiction you are in.

[chilly sun]

i will support njz but i can’t with good heart support mhj even with the past things she’s done that have nothing to do with this case. that’s my opinion and nothing can change it i’m afraid

[short laurel]

"past things she's done" again without any valid proof. atleast say "past things about her i've heard"

[upbeat stream]

That's fair, you don't have to support her. Only thing I would say is that you shouldn't belittle the girls' intelligence and agency by questioning their support of her. Not accusing you of doing that btw, but I've seen way too many 'fans' engaging in such behavior, saying they are groomed, manipulated and can't think for themselves

[chilly sun]

i’m not trying to belittle them i’m just saying i don’t support mhj but if the girls want to follow her than that’s okay with me i trust them wholeheartedly 🙏 that’s just my personal thoughts on her

[short laurel]

i just wish people atleast made difference in wording even if they not want to put effort into looking into it in detail. so many people come here and saying "she's done this and that" without any proof when all they've heard are rumors surrounding her.

[ashen charm]

hehe imma tell the judge im here to send someone to jail

[half knot]

Tell them your first assumption is that everybody who ends up in court is guilty.

[ashen charm]

[storm warren]

https://www.reddit.com/r/NJZ/s/YYFVLkVzux

[ashen charm]

thats a good one

[tired cairn]

Off topic, but this is crazy and so stupid. I hope they saved the tapes, but I fear not

[mild mist]

Food poisoning

[short laurel]

Everyone in replies pointing out this stupidity but i c no one questioning how they moved data from 14k reels so quickly

[mild mist]

They used ⭐ 🌈 🌠 AI 🌠 🌈 ⭐ of course

(or they just deleted lots of it)

[short laurel]

it's gonna cost them ALOT long term in many many ways.

[mild mist]

"move fast, break things. Don't think about who's going to clean up the mess"

[honest sky]

Is that chaewonie guy

[hoary frost]

I keep on seeing his dumb clickvait shorts when I search for normal njz content

[old cypress]

It's some idiot on Instagram with a pizza hut flag behind him

[hoary frost]

From the thumbnails and titles he uses I can make a guess that he is not

[ashen charm]

He legit click baits every video he has no reliable source

[old cypress]

So you basically dislike her because people told you to since the "past things she's done" are also groundless. In the meantime she literally saved newjeans from being shelved and she's done her best to give the girls an environment where they can thrive. Danielle and Minji both touched on how terrible their lives were before mhj stepped in. But apparently this isn't enough to get your support? I mean, it's your choice but damn

[leaden thistle]

any news recent from the past few days?

saw something like, redebut of njz are cancelled or sum, is it tru?

[old cypress]

yes it's cancelled for now since they cannot perform as njz due to the injunction. They're going to object it in 2 days but it's apparently not likely to succeed. So the next step is the appeal and we'll likely get the results in a few months

[mild mist]

https://tenor.com/view/ace-attorney-phoenix-wright-objection-capcom-gif-20965907

Sorry, had to

[old cypress]

objection!

[leaden thistle]

[steel depot]

they already redebut just didn't get to release the song because of injunction

ugh poor wifi connection

[weak relic]

here's the source

[chilly sun]

[grizzled summit]

But don't the girls have trust in mhj? Udk what happened between them

[copper current]

https://x.com/PoppyKPoppie/status/1909201158452765063

PoppyKPoppie (@PoppyKPoppie) on X

STOP THE DEFAMATION AGAINST NJZ.ᐟ.ᐟ.ᐟ.ᐟ

sign the petition here ⬇️
https://t.co/tsATS6TstB

X · Apr 7, 2025, 11:06 AM

[chilly sun]

i literally said if the girls support mhj then that’s okay i support the girls and their decisions!!!

they know her more than i do but i just have my own feelings towards her like that’s it

[old cypress]

https://x.com/uimn123/status/1909110780706099706

MhDHH(nJZ) (@uimn123) on X

Fact-based NJZ NewJeans Min Hee-jin ADOR HYBE Timeline (2022 ~ 2023)

Two major issues were covered:
1. NewJeans project plan copied by Belift Lab
2. NewJeans mentions in the Hybe's internal reports

X · Apr 7, 2025, 5:07 AM

I'll read it later but seems like a nice compilation

[short laurel]

they should've made one for false report by media from general view point(i m struggling in forming english) instead of it being just about girls. i don't think it will be accepted even if it gets 50k. rather there's better chance of action being taken if people report it to that media handling association that stop journalist from biased reporting. there's one who did it about mhj report weeks ago.

[hollow sorrel]

do we think the objuction results will take ~2 weeks to come out?

or will it be faster this time, because the judge is familiar with the case

[old cypress]

it's expected that we get the ruling late april but who knows

[frozen bronze]

is it not same day like the injunction was?

[subtle matrix]

It was 2 weeks between the first hearing and the ruling

[frozen bronze]

youre right i was confused

[copper current]

The previous petitions with 50k were no where to be found When will Hybe be looked at for tax evasion, such a corrupted country with the worst media and most unethical reporters. Everyone is out there acting as bully and spread misinfo.

[subtle matrix]

Objection might be less since you can't present new arguments only new evidence afaik

[copper current]

https://x.com/haerinthequeenn/status/1909261705210650961

NJZ Enthusiast (@haerinthequeenn) on X

The New York Times one of the most globally cited and influential newspapers in the world covering NJZ in a podcast today it’s way longer than this they start talking about NJZ at 25:00

X · Apr 7, 2025, 3:07 PM

[cinder verge]

https://x.com/poppykpoppie/status/1909271702246437054?s=46&t=6Te6HiJlKHZpNJ8OJ7KFgg

what did kbs do

PoppyKPoppie (@PoppyKPoppie) on X

fuck you, KBS.

X · Apr 7, 2025, 3:47 PM

[hot girder]

spread fake news regarding NJZ i'm sure

[upper solstice]

🪄

[midnight timber]

do you guys think njz will win the objection?

[subtle matrix]

No

Objection seems like a formality more than an actual chance to overturn the ruling

[short laurel]

they are going ot take look at that soon. the delay was cus of yoon's drama. but he is impeached now.

[sage fulcrum]

https://fixupx.com/weomasaten/status/1909258736482517102

Wei 🎨 (@weomasaten)

The world tries to villainize MHJ but she's the most reasonable in that industry. I've read most of her interviews (wc are all very elaborate), and she's been consistent w her artistry and vision.
︀︀
︀︀It's rly ironic how a person who wants to make things right is vilified like this.

Quoting Shamanz MHDHH (오빠) (@shamanjz)
︀
@Liasshy Here
︀︀docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1K7Y5pmzP2ijSC5uq93uEMNrf5WQVI71j-16xR1-HhmY/mobilebasic#h.7l7rs6hpdrs0

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FixupX · Apr 7, 2025, 2:55 PM

[short laurel]

meanwhile her opponent bsh's interview is something to watch. i remember after interview everyone praise him then months later after a drama reveal every understand what he truly ment in his interviews. xD

[heady gate]

FYI, it is the same judge as last time on March 21.

[midnight timber]

Ik but still I js wanted to know what u guys think

[short laurel]

finally someone from inside the industyr said it. most of kpop idols n jpop idols are indeed puppets.

[subtle matrix]

Question

Wouldn't NJZ present the argument that they were promised by MHJ that she would always remain CEO be like an auto win

How could current ADOR argue against that

[hot girder]

I don't think it's an auto win, but it could probably further support their argument to break off the contract because of breach of trust

[subtle matrix]

I mean it would throw MHJ under the bus kinda and probably hurt her case vs HYBE

But ADOR couldn't say "well that was when MHJ was CEO, the company is different now" because that would give a lot of strength to NJZ's argument that the company is fundamentally different

[short laurel]

how would it hurt her case against hybe ?

[hot girder]

Where did the girls claim they have been promised mhj would always stay as the ceo of ador?

[subtle matrix]

Yes but as seen in the injunction I think the courts will have a tendency to answer that with "the contract between NJZ and ADOR doesn't state that ADOR has to keep the same staff/NJZ doesn't have any say on it"

[subtle matrix]

Idk they could argue that she was acting in her interest and not the company's, which would be a breach of trust?

[short laurel]

if both sides are considered equal contract partners then change in complete management from 1 side doesn't look good for other side. it should be considered breach i hope it does.

[subtle matrix]

I think you're putting too much weight on the "equal parties"

[short laurel]

so they have no protection as employees and have no equality in contract. and if judge not c them as equal parties... idk i just not like this.

[subtle matrix]

I think we should see it as them being equal parties in the sense that each has a series of rights and obligations to the other party as defined by the contract, unlike for example an employement contract where the employee has certain legal protections that the employer does not. To interpret "equal parties" as NewJeans having a say on who works at ADOR would mean that NewJeans, a third party, had the power to determine who ADOR hires or fires, which could infringe on the rights of those workers

[short laurel]

i not mean like that. i mean like suppose team A working with company B on contract but company C come and replace everyone at B with people of C. at this point company B is essentially different company. since it's not just mhj who was replaced but even some of the creatives were changed, from girls perspective the people they originally signed n worked with are not same anymore. this is being argued in court.

[bronze jetty]

did you guys listen to the nyt podcast?

[subtle matrix]

They can definitely make that argument I was just saying that the argument isn't automatically derived from the notion of them being equal parties in the contract

[heady gate]

*x -c https://x.com/haerinthequeenn/status/1909261705210650961

[harsh dove]

@haerinthequeenn <t:1744038437:d>

The New York Times one of the most globally cited and influential newspapers in the world covering NJZ in a podcast today it’s way longer than this they start talking about NJZ at 25:00

[waxen musk]

They don't say too much more than what is heard in the two clips above, but they touch on how you don't expect fans of Western music to be company stans like you find with HYBE. They also talk about how HYBE is obviously trying to stop this because if one group can do what they want then maybe many other groups would do the same. They talk about how it is unlikely to affect things financially when BTS will be printing money with their comeback but they wonder how HYBE could be in ten years if all these legal changes happen over that course and if a HYBE as we know it could exist if NewJeans helps to change the K-pop world.

[old cypress]

I wonder if the bts cb expectations are justified considering that in korea suga has his dui incident and internationally a lot of stans quit because of army being batshit crazy

they'll print money nonetheless though

[bronze jetty]

one of the reporters, jon, wrote an article about them at complexcon but i do think he’s favourable towards the girls in a way