NJZ Updates and Discussion

[stable escarp]

-prayjeans

[tall dew]

[knotty roost]

[fathom canopy]

-prayjeans

[tall dew]

[copper current]

🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 Amen

https://x.com/iseauseamee/status/1907613442699358395

NJZ Fund (@iseauseamee) on X

Hybe has hired a team to analyze and pick Hanni as the primary target for their smear campaign against the group; their point is that Hanni is a vulnerable target because she is a foreigner. God, please protect our Hanni. :((

X · Apr 3, 2025, 1:57 AM

[surreal raft]

HAS IT STARTED YET?

omg

this is the lawsuit right??

what does it do

[stoic heron]

to see if the girls still in ador basically

[surreal raft]

oh my

[stoic heron]

If the girls win we are free from them, if we lose...

[knotty roost]

-prayjeans

[tall dew]

[stoic heron]

yes sir, let's stay positive

[graceful crypt]

one minute

[hoary frost]

Hanni has faced so much xenophobia

[surreal raft]

-prayjeans

[tall dew]

[hoary frost]

Why should they waste 4 years of their lives?

[hoary frost]

By them doing this and being all day on court is doing exactly that. And now you see that it was all foe nothing cause hybe is in the upper hand. I hate to see it but

[hoary frost]

I think trying is at least important

[hoary frost]

and i doubt these 4 years would be a waste, hybe will still try to make them comeback every 5 months or so so the girls at least will be getting some money lol

[frozen bronze]

if they dont want to sit through all this for 4 years they can at least try now, this isnt up to us

[hollow adder]

did we forget the 1.5 year hiatus thing

[stoic heron]

https://x.com/newjeans_loop/status/1907622971868631213?t=xCwv9wwtCGSoleULHbBwkA&s=19

NJZ Loops 🧸🦦🐶🐱🐹 (@newjeans_loop) on X

NJZ members did not attend the exclusive contract lawsuit with ADOR today

X · Apr 3, 2025, 2:35 AM

[steel depot]

it's not mandatory right? then good luck to their lawyers

💙🙏💪✨

[frozen bronze]

yeah they dont need to

[hollow adder]

prob for the best, weirdos online only like using their public appearance to fuel more hatred

[frozen bronze]

oh theyll use this too dont worry

[hollow adder]

like when they were targeting hanni for laughing with their lawyers like its illegal to have emotions

[stoic heron]

it's better for them to not show up, everything is a reason for the forced hate

[steel depot]

yeah better not go than get your words twisted...

[jade jolt]

~t
https://x.com/catzkang/status/1907623991340314679

[narrow seal]

250403 반희수🫧 (@​catzkang) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/catzkang/status/1907623991340314679
The members of NJZ not to participate in the scheduled legal proceedings concerning the exclusive contract dispute with ADOR that took place today. The members are not required or obliged to attend.

[frozen granite]

Sending my prayers to the lawyers & pls let the evidence they present back up everything !!! 📿

[steel depot]

but let's continue praying to whomever or whatever we believe in we need all the good karma in njz side

[copper current]

this is good, all articles wrote everything or moves they did the last time, so they made a wise choice not attending

[cinder narwhal]

https://x.com/TokkiLoops/status/1907626441568907702

. (@TokkiLoops) on X

❤️‍🔥💪

X · Apr 3, 2025, 2:49 AM

[hot girder]

so it begins

[hot girder]

Also if they don't want to be in that company, even if that means going through legal procedures for an indefinite amount of time, just respect their decision

https://x.com/CakeDegg/status/1907632742965325987?t=l7agwXpS4LeB0HqX-h4FAg&s=19

Cake🍀 (@CakeDegg) on X

Today the court asked, “Is there a possibility of a settlement or mediation?”
Ador stated “We hope for a settlement.”
NJZ dismissed the possibility, “That is not the case at the moment. Considering the members’ emotional state and other factors, it is not feasible at this time.”

X · Apr 3, 2025, 3:14 AM

[short laurel]

Yea if girls waited it out hybe would give them new music to release every once in a while to fullfill minimum obligations.
But who wants music where girls have no voice in? Only doing what hybe told them to regardless of whether they like the song or not. Atleast under mhj girls had some creative freedom, hybe wouldn't give them that to the same degree as they not want to let them as we've seen so far them not wanting girls to succeed as much, they might even get overworked with constant tours.
All it does is satisfy the stans, but artists themselves are not satisfied with the work. N no real fan would support that, only creepy stans do that

[hot girder]

Fans who value content over the actual wellbeing of the people they supposedly care for

[short laurel]

From what i come to learn about kpop fandoms, unfortunately the majority on social media are like this. 😦

[surreal raft]

I am back what happened

[craggy skiff]

wow. ador use complexCon to prove the girld could work without mhj

[prime spear]

and if I’m not wrong didnt hybe plan to put the girls on hiatus solely to find “famous” producers

[hoary frost]

That's the thing, is like that with every company. It doesn't matter if the girls go with another company or open their own company, there will always be the managers, ceos, executives, chairmans, investors, etc. Unless one of the girls themselves become the CEO or chairman

[hot girder]

https://x.com/haerinthequeenn/status/1907633054895546609?t=ZRN9RIbSDgvSiArFjRE92w&s=19

NJZ Enthusiast (@haerinthequeenn) on X

June 5th for the next hearing we all know the main trial is the long one so all we can do is pray that Sejong can win the appeal for NJZ so they can get their activities back sooner

X · Apr 3, 2025, 3:15 AM

[hot girder]

It's not like that with every company. Old ador treated them right and the girls had a say in their music and other stuff. Idk what you're waffling about

[short laurel]

I said A, u said 1? Please read again

[rain spade]

wth? june 5

[short laurel]

Normal. Main court go really slow

[cinder narwhal]

is there a play by play

[rain spade]

iisi tther like an actual like to article

[frozen granite]

I don’t think the objection will go through as much as I want it to, if it does then it wouldn’t make much sense for the main lawsuit to happen

[cinder narwhal]

the few rebuttals I've seen from ador make sense lol

[frozen granite]

Like which ones ?

[copper current]

https://x.com/MinotaurKard/status/1907629562625986971

Mino (@MinotaurKard) on X

I BNZ REMINDER!! Before we post any news article, please try to wait for the K BNZ to ACCURATELY translate things

X · Apr 3, 2025, 3:01 AM

[cinder narwhal]

and this one

[heady gate]

1 hour hearing. That was quick

[copper current]

https://x.com/haerinthequeenn/status/1907634830898020716

NJZ Enthusiast (@haerinthequeenn) on X

Team Bunnies and Sejong already said the main goal is for them to win the appeal so at least they can continue their NJZ activities while fighting the main lawsuit so don’t let that new hearing date scare you guys that’s the main trial the appeal is different

X · Apr 3, 2025, 3:22 AM

[hot girder]

it does make sense for the main lawsuit to happen. objection is just so the girls can keep doing their NJZ activities while their contract status (main lawsuit) is being sorted out

[short laurel]

Everyone changed so there's that n mhj was forced to leave but sadly that's complicated to prove in court

[copper current]

https://x.com/catzkang/status/1907636796256825529

반희수🫧 (@catzkang) on X

NewJeans' side explained that replacing the entire management doesn’t merely alter the company superficially, though the past and present corporation might share the same legal name, they are, in reality, wholly separate entities. This goes beyond the situation with 🧢 alone.

X · Apr 3, 2025, 3:30 AM

[cinder narwhal]

yeah mhj could have stayed despite the terms, that is indeed a possibility

[vale grove]

Where is this from?

[short laurel]

Bad terms.

[frozen granite]

I hope you’re right

[vale grove]

Also curious if we know anything positive from today

[short laurel]

Regardless girls saw not just mhj but every other ppl they work with leave n that should help them maybe, hopefully.

[icy otter]

can someone give me a brief summary on the hearing please

[heady gate]

June 5. That is sooner than I thought

[cinder narwhal]

i think og staff left AFTER mhj and the girls left. if ador recruited them back (maybe except mhj), what then

[hot girder]

It's not that I'm right, it's the actual truth lol both things are separate and have their own reasoning for it to be happening. We should definitely look forward to the injuction results

[short laurel]

They didn't, n not just staff, there's dr shin n frnk n 250 too

[hot girder]

not much happened. next court date is June 5th

[vale grove]

June fifth is what exactly? Sorry I just got in from work so idk WHATS happened

[icy otter]

oh okay ty

[vale grove]

Oh okay

[hot girder]

Next court hearing

[cinder narwhal]

only thing we know is dolphiners, we don't know anything about 250 and frnk

[frozen granite]

Ok sorry I am just protecting myself in case something bad happens just a coping mechanism :c

[graceful crypt]

second hearing for the main court case

[heady gate]

It usually has several hearings.

[vale grove]

Theres nothing notable from today? Sigh. Do we know if it’s going in either parties favor at least or any specific points made?

[short laurel]

Pretty sure there was something about bana last year.

[frozen bronze]

lets say the injunction is won by njz, cant they just drag out the main lawsuit endlessly until 2029, when their contract ends anyway, meaning the main lawsuit doesnt matter?

[copper current]

I think it is good that NJZ let lawyers talk, the last time NJZ members talked, the press focused on hating on them, so that is why they lost

[rain spade]

dang, i was expecting next hearing like 2-3 weeks from now 😭

[hot girder]

It's okay! But don't panic if the injuction doesn't go the girls way. As fans we should try out best to be here for them, regardless of the results. If it's too taxing on your mental health, please take a break, that's 100% understandable and valid

[frozen bronze]

the press has nothing to do with the judge's verdict

[short laurel]

It matters as it determines who pays panelty.

[copper current]

we wait for the appeal of the injunction

[graceful crypt]

cmiiw but the girls’ objection to the injunction decision is on the 9th, right?

[heady gate]

correct

[copper current]

but NJZ members were there and they talked so the lawyers might have stepped back. It is good that only lawyer talked, I learned a hard lession from my past experience

[vale grove]

Agh. I’m scared.

[rain spade]

i'm assuming 3rd hearing iis gonna be on auugust

[frozen bronze]

the judge just based his decision on the proof and claims he was given, meaning whatever njz says didnt matter for the verdict

[graceful crypt]

anyone know how many hearings the main court case will most likely have?

[cinder narwhal]

wow i think that's it.

1. ador: can you two settle with us?
   njz: no
2. njz: og ador is no more because mhj and staff left.
   ador: mhj left of her own accord and you did complexcon on your own you dont need them

[copper current]

https://x.com/haerinthequeenn/status/1907638408563831001

NJZ Enthusiast (@haerinthequeenn) on X

Team Bunnies who coordinated with Sejong and other lawyers specifically says here Bunnies do not panic about the main lawsuits time because they have planned accordingly and is putting everything they can into the appeal process

X · Apr 3, 2025, 3:36 AM

[fleet nebula]

In Bunnies we trust

[copper current]

don't panic everyone, keep calm ok 🙏

[frozen bronze]

that 2nd point doesnt even make sense, they arent saying they needed og ador staff, they are saying they didnt have a say in the replacement of them and they dont want to work with those new staff

[short laurel]

Funfact, girls did complexcon without ador meaning girls don't need Ador

[warm void]

Ador is useless

[craggy skiff]

could the court have permission to access mhj/ador contract?
it maybe the only way to prove mhj forced to leave by an unreasonable contract

[icy otter]

did njz choreo pitstop by themselves?

[cinder narwhal]

MARK RONSOOOOON

yeah trap

[copper current]

https://x.com/PoppyKPoppie/status/1907639901367185801

PoppyKPoppie (@PoppyKPoppie) on X

1. trust was broken becoz "ador" unilaterally dismissed mhj without informing the members.

2. trust was further broken becoz all of the members concerns weren't addressed - and to this day, has never been addressed.

3. trust has completely ben severed despite the formal 14 day

X · Apr 3, 2025, 3:42 AM

[short laurel]

They can in media, but i doubt it works in court, as from girls prospective they are independent n can work with who they want. Even if mhj involvement raises eyebrows in court, they'll need more proof to prove tempering

[craggy skiff]

we all know they have mhj support but no once can confirm it without proof
That why ador want njz admit mhj help so ador can use it to claim mhj tampering

[icy otter]

ooh i see

[hot girder]

support is different from actually helping with the choreo and such. everything could have been done with the OG ador team

[cinder narwhal]

that was quick nothing else to talk about lol

[hot girder]

yeah I thought they'd be there for 2 hours at least

[twin cypress]

fuck knowing how corrupt korea is, that argument that mhj wasnt kicked out might stand, but hopefully they can argue that getting rid of bana and 250 for whack western producers destroys their whole sound identity

[craggy skiff]

no wonder why it must take years to finish

[graceful crypt]

i just hope they whip out more evidence on the 9th to turn the injunction around

[cinder narwhal]

teasers... just like a comeback schedule 😭😭😭

[short laurel]

Court is busy with multiple lawsuits, so it takes really long, it's normal everywhere

[heady gate]

Lets focus on their objection case.

[short laurel]

N pls read this.

[rain spade]

bribe one judge to finish this lawsuit first 5head

6 hours hearing everyday till he can make a decision

[buoyant hamlet]

-prayjeans

[tall dew]

[vale grove]

Taking donations for the bribe money as we speak/j

[heady gate]

*x -c https://x.com/haerinthequeenn/status/1907630300865134986

[harsh dove]

@haerinthequeenn <t:1743649480:d>

Ador asks for an agreement Sejong denies instantly saying that’s not possible

[lean barn]

New Jins??

[hollow sorrel]

asking for an agreement sounds like they are not so confident anymore

the girls are winning 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

[stoic heron]

apparently they spoke 2 lines and it's over lmao

[boreal swallow]

Is today a court date for njz guys??

[rain spade]

I kind of like this judge unlike the judge in charge of injunction

[craggy skiff]

No bro 💀
They just acting like they always willing to support but the girl avoid it -> it is njz failure

[cinder narwhal]

https://x.com/TokkiLoops/status/1907644028235182358

. (@TokkiLoops) on X

🤢🤢

ADOR: “We will later submit additional materials demonstrating our commitment to properly support and take care of NewJeans if they return.”

X · Apr 3, 2025, 3:59 AM

[rain spade]

HAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

They can say all they want, not action is bs

[hollow sorrel]

yes, because from the girls’ perspective the contract is terminated so why would they agree to an agreement? if they did that would only prove how trust isn’t even broken if they can still come to an agreement

[craggy skiff]

Lol. They prepare it after the contraction is break
Could they show anything before it?

[cinder narwhal]

we gonna see more of mark ronson

maybe diddy, bang's best friend

the least they could do is reach out to bana...

[tardy smelt]

outcome of today seems neutral. not bad.

[craggy skiff]

for me that is a disadvantage. especially when hybe side is free to use media play

[tardy smelt]

the arguments are solid this time around imo, so it’s fine

[cinder narwhal]

how do i fix my x feed without blocking people

[tardy smelt]

don’t browse the for you tab

open the tweets you like to see, don’t open the ones you don’t

[hollow sorrel]

I hope we get to hear more about the CCTV incident or the Shin Wooseok incident in the future trials or idk how much they will go into each one separately

[tardy smelt]

i think we should move on from that incident. i don’t think it’s productive to examine it further.

[craggy skiff]

even if the CCTV is correct and not deleted, with that quality, I dont thing they could hear/see anything from it
So yes, just move on

[cinder narwhal]

agree it's a quagmire, just focus on broken trust overall

[hollow sorrel]

yeah, but it could prove how ADOR/HYBE manipulated the narrative and framed Hanni as a dishonest person in front of the whole media which is a severe breach of trust

[red thorn]

Give me hope that the court would judge in more unconventional way

[tardy smelt]

it’s too flimsy

[craggy skiff]

yes. we all know the way fraudor/hybe handle the complain from hanni is suck.
seojong must focus on the processing instead of keep debate about that manager say anything or not

[frozen bronze]

theres no way we're gonna get proof of hanni's version of the story, whats important is the way ador responded to it both then and now

[steel depot]

ADOR is a piece of : 💩

[copper current]

https://youtu.be/5rN9uPnagzw?si=oBfrfK6Yx91wV2TD

[hoary frost]

Njz never used HYBE producers - and no offence but you can tell

Some clowns were trying to say pitstop shows they need hybe

[frozen bronze]

theres a big chance pit stop had the same producer as some of their other songs lol

[craggy skiff]

did they aware that they praising mhj tailent?

[cinder narwhal]

i think that quote is on our side..

[hoary frost]

Yep

[steel depot]

it was just like ador is rephrasing ours

[craggy skiff]

ah, I see. Then it is not a big deal
But if a hybe stan said that, it will be a big joke

[steel depot]

ador has nothing on njz that's why they kept copying sht on twitter

[grizzled summit]

Hiii any updates

[steel depot]

yeah they don't need hybe other fandoms are just threatened of them

[grizzled summit]

Is the next hearing on 5 June?

[split shoal]

didn’t most of njz’s producers and staff leave hybe??

[steel depot]

ador is circling around about mhj and not talking about the main issue 'trust'

[grizzled summit]

Yes I think the girls might win

What's the latest news thooooo

[orchid field]

We rlying on tarots and stars now

[heady gate]

*x https://x.com/juantokki/status/1907657281107525947

[harsh dove]

@juantokki <t:1743655913:d>

[cinder narwhal]

https://x.com/TokkiLoops/status/1907658442581619182

. (@TokkiLoops) on X

Also ADOR: "We are capable of providing producers with the same level of ability as Min Hee-jin."

X · Apr 3, 2025, 4:56 AM

just look at njz peers in hybe and it's already clear lol

[heady gate]

😭

[rain spade]

What a jokeee hahahah

[bitter prism]

Are they fr?

[steel depot]

[stone grotto]

Is the hearing already over? Is there gonna be multiple days?

[rain spade]

More like multiple years

[grizzled summit]

When's the next hearing then

[steel depot]

june 5th is the next trial

[rain spade]

5th june

[grizzled summit]

Omg whyyy 2 monhs

[steel depot]

hopefully not

[grizzled summit]

LOL FRAUDOR being jealous of njz's complexcon performance being successful without them

[hoary frost]

Lolz

[stone grotto]

I hope the girls can afford this long battle. I hope their legal team is giving them a discount

[grizzled summit]

I think the girls might win, ADOR may be caught of perjury they said they didn't dismiss mhj but they held a board meeting in August to do exactly the same

[frozen bronze]

no they technically didnt

[rain spade]

Technically no

[grizzled summit]

There is proof on x

[cinder narwhal]

iirc
they dismissed mhj as ceo, but wanted her to stay as director.
she'll be in charge of production while kim yoojoung will be in charge of management and money.
this is against mhj principle of combining the two.
plus the new contract for her directorship had unfavorable/unclear terms (like giving ador the right to fire her if her performance wasn't good, but said performance had no clear metrics, etc).
so mhj left

this is just from the top of my head so maybe i misremembered

[frozen bronze]

yeah this is how i remember it
they gave her 2 months to prepare for a world tour, and if it wasnt good (unclear) she could get fired. 2 months is nowhere near enough time so she had no choice but to leave

[mild mist]

Well, go on then
We're all waiting

[bitter prism]

They pulled their last card

[rain spade]

They removed her through changing of bod cuz she trying to take ador out

[shy schooner]

Even if mhj stayed as producer they were still going to get rid of her regardless

[short laurel]

why people still on "mhj trying to take out ador" it has already been proven false in her 1st injunction a year ago.

[cinder narwhal]

good summary https://x.com/juantokki/status/1907657281107525947

1tokki (@juantokki) on X

First Hearing: NewJeans vs. ADOR – Court Calls Case "Unusual," Cites Need for Clear Evidence of Broken Trust
https://t.co/0kSvzEj11j
Reporter Kim Ji-hye

In the first substantive hearing of the exclusive contract validity lawsuit between NewJeans and ADOR, the court hinted at the

X · Apr 3, 2025, 4:51 AM

[steel depot]

why is the case unusual... but we think korean law is the one that is unusual

[rain spade]

This is from hybe perspective

[short laurel]

perspective doesn't matter as we already have clear result from it in court.

[cinder narwhal]

haha they're the judge not us

[steel depot]

korea law is weird...

[heady gate]

yea. K-pop artists are not workers. The government has never changed the law, that is weird too.

*x https://x.com/juantokki/status/1907618425150779714

1tokki (@juantokki) on X

The court considered three main factors in its decision:

- Whether ADOR failed to fulfill its contractual obligations

- Whether there was sufficient cause for 뉴진스 to terminate the contract due to a breakdown in trust

- Whether ADOR would suffer significant financial damage

X · Apr 3, 2025, 2:17 AM

[harsh dove]

:warning: Tweet with id 1907618425150779714 does not contain any media!

[mild mist]

So we are back to the loss of trust

[split shoal]

this will be my birthday gift, the hearing for the main trial 🤭

[short laurel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ufmu1WD2TSk so much problem but no political will to fix any of them.

[upbeat stream]

https://x.com/xxxwappxxx/status/1906669245863206997

와피🕯️ (@xxxwappxxx) on X

뉴진스가 왜 자기들 가수인생 걸고 무모한 싸움을 하냐면 이진호 같은 거한테 본인들 개인정보 몰래 흘리면서 불체자니 혐한이니 정산금이 얼마고 위약금이 얼마네 저열하고 쓰레기 같은 방식으로 사람 갖고 노는 미친 회사에서 일하기 싫어서 그런 겁니다

X · Mar 31, 2025, 11:25 AM

[surreal raft]

omg hi stay

[split shoal]

hiii

[upbeat stream]

'The reason NewJeans is risking their entire career in this seemingly reckless fight is that they don’t want to work for a company that secretly leaks their personal information to people like Lee Jin-ho, spreading rumors about them being illegal immigrants or anti-Korean, revealing details about their earnings and penalties, and playing with people’s lives in such a vile and trashy manner.'
Idk why it's so hard for people to understand this point. So many are convinced that they just ruined their careers for no fucking reason

[waxen musk]

I woke up thinking I'd have a lot to read and a lot to say but I don't. We'll have to wait some more.

[upbeat stream]

This is how a civil lawsuit moves. The appeal is what matters, I'm sure the main lawsuit will just follow whatever the high court/supreme court (if it actually goes that far) decides

[hollow adder]

yep pretty much. good news is that the judge isnt super conservative and is somewhat fair and validating their concerns and theres another hearing later on which is a good sign

[cinder narwhal]

https://x.com/tina2nHR/status/1907636797490033031

tin #MAOMAO'S CHEERLEADER🐈‍⬛🖤 (@tina2nHR) on X

i need ador to debut a new girl group and have the same success NJZ has if they oh so think that everything is easily replaceable.

X · Apr 3, 2025, 3:30 AM

[waxen musk]

Updated schedule: #1231839760759263232 message

[narrow seal]

Message linked

message posted on <t:1741363986:f>

from ashbash159

• March 14 - Deadline for submission of evidence after March 7 injunction hearing.
  - March 14 – MHJ’s second hearing against Source Music. DELAYED
• March 17 - MHJ vs Employee B.
• April 3 – ADOR vs. NJZ: Exclusive contract validation trial.
• April 9 - Injunction objection hearing.
• April 17 – MHJ’s second hearing for the shareholders’ agreement.
• May 2 - MHJ's third hearing against Bethief.
• May 26 - MHJ vs Employee B second hearing.
• May 30 – MHJ’s second hearing against Source Music.
• June 5 - ADOR vs. NJZ: Exclusive contract validation trial PART 2.
  [Jump to message](#1231839760759263232 message)

[waxen musk]

Nintendo Switch 2 and ADOR vs. NJZ part 2 on the same day.

[rain spade]

I like this schedule

[heady gate]

MHJ is busy

[analog depot]

When will the next hearing be??

[waxen musk]

Look 4 messages above.

June 5 if you can't manage scrolling.

[grizzled summit]

yuh true

[analog depot]

I’m quickly skimming over messages rn as I’m rushing to do things!!

[upbeat stream]

I don't understand one thing: How can ador and hybe be considered totally independent when ador doesn't even have the power to terminate newjeans' contract? Like even if both parties newjeans and ador agree, they definitely can't end their contract without hybe's approval. If they could, mhj would have done it ages ago. Plus hybe would never risk that. So how independent ador truly is?

[analog depot]

This is what I was thinking..I understand people’s concerns about the girls continued support of MHJ but without her and their usual staff and song producers and them being replaced with western ones destroys the uniqueness of NewJeans and how they became such a big thing in the first place..

[half knot]

that's a bit confusing. if MHJ really wanted to, she could have ended newjeans girls' contracts when she still had the full board on her side.

[upbeat stream]

That's what I'm saying

[half knot]

however, if she had done that, and the stipulation was that the board has to be fully on board, then every single one of them would have been sued to oblivion.

as much as MHJ has been good for the girls, she's only good for the girls when compared to fraudor and HYBE's treatment of the girls. In a vacuum, she didn't do the girls any favors in 2024, and only really used them as shields.

when June 2024 came around and HYBE replaced board members, then it was impossible for her to end the girls' contracts unilaterally or with agreement from both parties.

[split shoal]

https://x.com/virgostarkook/status/1907671109098680722?s=46&t=oOCN_QbT_D5-50fQlxV08A

caroline🧸 (@virgostarkook) on X

So mhj was a good CEO of ador while she was found secretly trying to sabotage other groups? The mhj who wishes other people's downfall? These entitled bastards

X · Apr 3, 2025, 5:46 AM

[upbeat stream]

I don't remember exactly what the leaked chat said, but I think there was something like she can't terminate their contracts even if she wanted to

[weak relic]

real

so guys court results alrdy out or no?

[half knot]

yes, she wanted SOLE rights to terminate artists' contracts under Ador, so she as CEO could be the only one making that decision without needing ADOR board approval. However, before this fiasco began, if she really wanted to, all the board members were on her side and she could have ended the girls' contracts if things were so horrible for them as is now the claim. She chose not to do that to save her own ass and her own shareholders' contract that entitled her to hundreds of billions of won.

[rain spade]

Yooo what if mhj and nj terminate their contract contract mutually with ador first before mhj leave. So big brain

[half knot]

that's the discussion right now. she could have done that.

but then she would have lost her shareholders' agreement, and been sued for hundreds of billions in damages, same for other board members who voted in favor of this.

of course in the end she lost everything ANYWAY so it's sort of ironic in retrospect.

[upbeat stream]

Well we don't know the level of involvement of the girls and their families in all of this. There's a pretty good chance they discussed things at every step of the way. Ador could be holding back from revealing it because they don't want a breach of contract lawsuit

[analog depot]

But when she had that ability she didn’t take that initiative, so if NJ were being treated as badly as expressed, why didn’t she act upon it?

[upbeat stream]

Newjeans would've been free though, no lawsuits either (for newjeans that is)

[rain spade]

How would I know, I'm just here suggesting then I backread kek

I'm not mhj. Maybe she didn't thought about that at first

[half knot]

the woman didn't even have basic operational security not to discuss sensitive things on kakaotalk that was getting backed up on company servers in plain text...

there's not much business strategy and awareness, let alone digital security, or really any cunning going on up in her head.

[upbeat stream]

Imagine this conflict began with this headline April last year:
'Newjeans and ador part ways, contract terminated by mutual consent.'
Shit would've been crazy

[ashen charm]

i heard something about team bunnies said not to worry about objection as they wont win right?

[half knot]

Team Bunnies can say what they want, whoever they are, but the court ruling is unpredictable by even the most seasoned lawyers and legal scholars because of how unique it is and the uncharted legal territory it represents.

after seeing what NJZ lawyers presented in the injunction court as well as the detailed ruling of the judge on it, everything's out the window as far as predictions go.

My entirely uneducated guess puts mediation or some sort of settlement compromise as very likely where this is headed by the end of this year. Still completely unpredictable and uncertain though.

[upbeat stream]

It's funny that the most pro-hybe lawyer, Kho Sang-rok said before the injunction hearing that the injunction could be dismissed since mutual trust is broken

[empty halo]

after she did that initial, very emotionally charged press conference and had quite a few Koreans (i think) understanding and being on her side, I thought she had something cooking but apparently not 🙏

[upbeat stream]

He can get it but that fuckass judge can't

[half knot]

Yes, because that is established supreme court precedent in south korea. but the issue with court precedents is that how it is applied in the lower courts is unpredictable and somewhat erratic.

[analog depot]

This, team bunnies can spread whatever information they so please but we don’t have an idea of how this court ruling may go, so far everything is looking as if it’s on NJ side currently

[half knot]

even laws and regulations are sometimes vague enough to leave it to the judge's personal opinion.

[upbeat stream]

Also precedence is not as important in Korea as in some other countries. In nations whose legal system is derived from British common law, precedence carries much more weight than in some other systems

[half knot]

yeah from a partially informed outside perspective, it seems NJZ side have a higher chance, but that higher chance could be 54% or 80%, we don't know. It could be a coin flip where this case goes.

[half knot]

that's right, only supreme court cases carry any weight in south korea, everything else is just a suggestion or "I'll take that into consideration" rather than something to follow like a common law system or a heavily precedent based system like the US.

[stiff prairie]

Anything good today update chat?

[analog depot]

It’s getting on my nerves how people suddenly switch, using their new song ‘Pit Stop’ as a way to say they need Hybe but if it was produced under ADOR nobody would bat an eye..all those people saying they’re nuking career and it’s all because that they got ignored..I wish people researched..the members all have a right to be respected and have a sense of trust in their workplace

[analog depot]

Court favour is looking to be on NJ side currently

[stiff prairie]

Really? What changed?

[eternal ibex]

i know this was like 3 hrs ago cuz my chat doesnt automatically catch up with seeing the recent messages but this is exactly what one of my friends said 💔

[eternal ibex]

THIS!!!! like once again sorry for bringing up a friend but I wish theyd do their research and actually look into it before automatically saying theyre garbage instead of looking at tiktok and yt slop as their “evidence”

[frozen granite]

Is something big happening or are people just yapping rn?

[ashen charm]

If the court finds that njz and mhj were working together at complexcon it could be bad right?

[eternal ibex]

I think just yapping but i could be wrong, just got into the chat after all 💔 💔

[short laurel]

nope, it will raise eyebrows sure but will need more investigation to prove tempering. other than that girls are free from their perspective and are free to work with whoever they want including mhj.

and complex con was without ador too so idk what they are trying to say here.

[heady gate]

*x -c https://x.com/yo_lobster/status/1907644390694334545

[harsh dove]

@yo_lobster <t:1743652839:d>

ADOR has no actual knowledge of whether MHJ was involved in the preparation of ComplexCon.

The statements was pushed as a trap for NJZ.

If the girls:
1️⃣ Admitting they prepared without MHJ
It'll supports ADOR’s argument that NJZ can function and succeed without her, weakening NJZ's claims that they can't continue under ADOR.

2️⃣ Admitting they worked with MHJ
It would give ADOR ammunition to argue that MHJ is still influencing the members behind the scenes, reinforcing their accusations of contract tampering.

NJZ’s legal team recognized this setup, and avoided direct answering and instead focus on shifting the argument back to the core issue of ADOR’s complete shift in management.

[steel depot]

If they did it without MHJ then much more they don't need you ADOR

[ashen charm]

Yup that will be hard to prove for fraudor

[short laurel]

that's why we not have to worry about it.

[north geyser]

Idk if njz has a comeback to any of those arguments:(

[mild mist]

When in doubt, they're trying to manipulate public opinion

[analog depot]

‘We think so’ making such assumptions with no evidence that they did do it without MHJ..they’re scrambling for reasons

[maiden verge]

ofc they don't have evidence, they're just trying to activate their trap card so to speak

[half knot]

The lawfirm that HYBE has are experts that muddying up legal cases and making it a he said she said to avoid actual important factors and core issues that could be deciding factors. NJZ lawyers fell for that bait in the injunction hearing.

[jade jolt]

Hoping this will turn out good

[ashen charm]

Well time to focus on the April 9th injunction hopefully njz lawyers submit everything this time

[half knot]

assuming they have anything else

[upbeat stream]

Why does Sejong not talk about Hanni's visa info getting leaked? I know they don't have proof of ador doing it but they made plenty of claims in the injunction hearing that didn't have strong evidence either, so what the hell is stopping them from talking about this?

[midnight timber]

did the lawsuit went well?

[subtle matrix]

It was just the first hearing I don't think it "went" much

[midnight timber]

ohh

Did they talk about any mistreatment?

[maiden verge]

maybe it's due to the incident happening after they left

[half knot]

they really don't seem to have a lot of solid evidence of much of what they've talked about, that's seemingly the problem. it's hard to get evidence that is beyond speculative or circumstantial without having access to hybe or hybe partners, without legal force to compell them to provide such evidence.

[hollow sorrel]

Idk if y’all knew about this but I found the best explanation/timeline of the contract between HYBE and MHJ (that I’ve read so far) and how it caused a lot of problems for NewJeans

https://www.reddit.com/r/NJZ/comments/1jq0ycm/understanding_mhjs_contract_and_the_financial/?sort=new&rdt=50776

[short laurel]

It's been revealed that Lee Jae-sang (current HYBE CEO) said on April 23, 2024 "I am considering damaging Newjeans’s brand value to take down both Min Heejin and Newjeans." The judge ruled on March 23, 2025 that because Lee Jae-sang was an executive of HYBE but not an executive of ADOR, his statement doesn't constitute breach of trust. (source)

[upbeat stream]

Ador still maintains the contract is valid though, and the court said the same

[short laurel]

this part really pissed me. how whenever everything is good, credit goes to hybe but when things going wrong blame to sublabels.
saperate when they want to, same when they want to.

[weak relic]

guys results out or no

[maiden verge]

bruh huh? how does that many any sense

[warm void]

sadly reddit is banned in my country, but I have another way to open it

[short laurel]

reddit post said " it's been revealed" i thought it was only alleged

[hollow sorrel]

if MHJ wins this lawsuit would that mean HYBE has to pay her her put option as promised? Which is in the 70+ millions of dollars

or what even is at stake in this lawsuit

[upbeat stream]

Wdym 😭
It'll take months, maybe even an year

[weak relic]

i mean what are the results for today for lawsuit

[short laurel]

yes.

[hollow sorrel]

and will her non-compete agreement still be in effect so she can’t work for other companies for ~7 years or is that cancelled out if she wins?

[rain spade]

Yep is out 🧢

[short laurel]

honestly idk. if she wins, there should be some huge compensation regarding all this. we don't know her full contract with hybe.

[mild mist]

It'll be cancelled because the agreement is broken
This lawsuit is to determine who broke it first

[short laurel]

oo

[fast snow]

April to June rough

[hollow sorrel]

and if the agreement is broken, the party who broke it would have to compensate for it right?

[mild mist]

I'd assume so
But that's for the judge to decide

[polar owl]

Honestly, why are some people expecting the case results to be out today? 😅 I wish courts and everything else in life worked this way.

[mild mist]

Even in ace attorney it takes like three days

[orchid field]

??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

[polar owl]

This is like saying we have the evidence but I will not consider it (because the verdict is already fixed) 😕

https://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/news/2025-03-31/business/industry/HYBE-CEO-said-disciplined-NewJeans-measures-bearing-fruit/2274284

[polar owl]

What a twist in the headline!!!

Seems like NJZ was displined, whereas the article was about 'disciplined measures taken by Hybe/Ador'

Most ppl who will only read the headline will feel as if NJZ is being disciplined by Hybe - portraying that they were indisciplined, rogue.

[rain spade]

Bear deez nuts

[polar owl]

Do the authors have any shame left?

"rogue girl group"....wtf 😅

[shy schooner]

Anything to get clicks

[hoary frost]

Updates?

[radiant parrot]

can someone pin a tldr on this pls

[weak relic]

https://www.koreaboo.com/news/judge-in-charge-ador-njz-trial-flustered-finds-lawsuit-special-case/

[honest sky]

Is this not a negative article

FROM KOREABOO LAMODOS

[weak relic]

judge's standpoint was think about it how to take on this case
so i guess neither good nor bad article

[cinder narwhal]

the korean comments in the article is negative lol

[short laurel]

everyone has seen the mediaplay against girls. those korean comments are most likely very selective. aside from that week after the injunction, most of knetizens i've seen involved in this case are very anti-hybe rn.

[old cypress]

Looks like business as usual, hybe reporting on the hearing first

[old cypress]

Tokkis need to spread this everywhere

[old cypress]

I'm not sure she would be able to do that without hybe stepping in. I'm sure there's a notice delay and the delay would've been enough for hybe to replace mhj and cancel the termination process

And also it seems that a lot of tokkis don't understand what happened in 2024. You assume that the beef was initially between mhj and hybe and eventually got newjeans involved. But we know it's not true and that from the beginning hybe wanted to sabotage newjeans as Lee Jaesang said on April 24 : take down newjeans and mhj

This is not a "2 adults were fighting and got the kids involved" but rather hybe trying to get of rid the last person protecting newjeans

[short laurel]

Actually wording needs to be confirmed. Be4 it said alleged but in that reddit it says revealed as in confirmed.
Idk what original in korean said.

[old cypress]

The original in korean is the same. Njzbubblegum translated it

[short laurel]

Then they need to prove that ador is puppet of hybe

[old cypress]

Yes pretty much

But also what Lee Jaesang said is just intent. While it's enough for us, it's not enough for the court without evidence of actions taken

But for us kpop fans it should be more than enough to understand that hybe wants to relegate newjeans to a group with strong sales but no public recognition

[upbeat stream]

Intent isn't enough for breach of contract but should be for breach of trust. But they need to convince the judge that hybe controls ador so they can't be seen as completely different entities

[old cypress]

And especially that njz cannot in any form continue working at ador as long as hybe controls the board

[old cypress]

https://x.com/luenacore/status/1907682470189023307

luna ୨ৎ (@luenacore) on X

Strategically selected specific words from the actual statement to increase engagement rather than presenting the full argument. But that's fine—here are the actual words that were said.

NJZ's side stated that one of the reasons trust was broken—an essential foundation of an

X · Apr 3, 2025, 6:31 AM

[rain spade]

How u use and pick ur words as a lawyer is important

I want an agreement vs I demand an agreement

[polar owl]

The next hearing is on 5th June

It will be a slow burn

[short laurel]

the kpop charts post they qrt. reading haters reply is funny. how they alreayd forgot that idols are not consider employees but equal partners but still bringing eomployees as example to dismiss girls.

[split bramble]

ador/hybe keeps pretending they're seperate or one entity depending on situation

• mhj was ousted by ador board so hybe had nothing to do with it
• we're part of hybe so we can get any producer for newjeans
• hybe ceo said it not ador, its different

[copper jetty]

part of Hybe but at the same time different...

https://tenor.com/view/same-different-but-still-gif-18224441

[short laurel]

i've said it multiple times. they do this everytime with every label. when it benefits them, they are part of hybe, but when it harms hybe, blame is on sublabel. hybe stans do this too

[old cypress]

at least the hate is pretty tame this time around

compared to the injunction but that makes sense since the bots aren't around

after a week of asking newjeans to come back to hybe, hybecels are now back asking to eject newjeans

[copper jetty]

they flip what they say on the daily. One day they want them to comeback to be shelved the next day they want them to get out of Hybe. Can't seem to make up their mind.

[old cypress]

they just parrot whatever hybe and the media say

[naive hound]

So any relevant news from today or everything remains as before?

[mild mist]

Nothing really new

[stable escarp]

Yall what/where should i read for a full summary of court?

[copper current]

https://youtu.be/jUHf6EwY660?si=zAls5PQ3dT0dmr6f

[frozen granite]

Does anyone know if the lawyers also talked about the mistreatment the girls were facing since their debut with HYBE at the time ? I think those are all good stuff to tell the judge to consider too

[mild mist]

Haven't seen it mentioned, but you need to remember that this case is not with hybe, it is with ADOR, and will almost exclusively focused on the time after the contracts were signed, some time in July 2022

[frozen granite]

Hmm so they’d mainly focus on the mismanagement Njz members were facing after mhj left ?

[mild mist]

They need to, yes. They need to talk about the difference in staff and management, and that after then ADOR repeatedly let them down

[frozen granite]

I c … i just realized this is going to be a long arduous battle since it will be hard to prove, sending positive energy & prayers to the members & their lawyers 🙏🏻

[subtle matrix]

The beef between MHJ and HYBE probably started before ADOR and NJZ even existed

[old cypress]

yes and no but i'm talking about the audit

a lot of tokkis still believe njz was "collateral damage"

when hybe was clearly trying to undermine njz from the very beginning

[subtle matrix]

What is "the very beginning" in your eyes?

[old cypress]

their debut

[subtle matrix]

You are not a serious person

[copper jetty]

I really do believe that Hybe approached MHJ to create what should've been its' first girl group but BSH and MHJ had too much difference in their creative inputs. From then on everything went downhill

[old cypress]

hybe though newjeans would be a mildly successful group not the next best thing in kpop

[copper jetty]

this too after the BSH and MHJ showdown...

[old cypress]

why? Lee Jaesang said he wanted to take down njz. HYBE has tried to tamper with njz apple and lv collaborations. Hanni said that people at hybe were ghosting her since debut

[short laurel]

they advertised that even. so it is true.

[old cypress]

and BSH wouldn't even say hi to newjeans

[short laurel]

actually they are collateral damage in bsh vs mhj battle. since this whole thing started from their beef.

[copper jetty]

cause he was wrong when he said they weren't gonna blow up. Just shows what type of GG he wanted then and how wrong his opinion was and his EGO was so big but so wrong.

[old cypress]

no they are not, the audit is just a pretext to eject mhj so hybe could freely undermine newjeans. What truly went down is a bsh vs newjeans battle and mhj was just in the way

which is why njz and their parents and their staff and whoever worked with them are siding with mhj

[short laurel]

i m talking about the very beginning. hybe wasn't going to debut them. bsh and mhj had fight and so they decided to launch ador for girls and they believed they would be only mildly successful but girls become huge so they started all this micro harassment cuz bsh doesn't like that mhj was right. so yes girls are collateral in battle between bsh and mhj. it just evolved into what it is now. but it started like that

[copper jetty]

Namiko you're typing a lot there...

[old cypress]

from that point of view yes. Once again i was talking about the audit

[copper jetty]

Also didn't MHJ claim that BSH wanted to write for NewJeans then? He was pestering MHJ so that he could write songs for them. 💀

[short laurel]

ohk

[hollow sorrel]

hiatus so tough Shin Wooseok became a model

[old cypress]

BSH can't stand not being the kpop genius/king. All the groups he put his fingers into and the only truly outstanding one is the one he didn't touch

[copper current]

https://x.com/MinotaurKard/status/1907804057936474297

Mino (@MinotaurKard) on X

Now that I'm fully up and running with some coffee..

It doesn't matter who the producers are that have been lined up for NJZ from Ador's side. I can't stress this enough and the legal team should as well. NJZ is a world famous group with an insane amount of loyal fans from all

X · Apr 3, 2025, 2:35 PM

[old cypress]

yes pretty much, hybe/ador wants to undermine njz therefore it's impossible for njz to work there

[short laurel]

actually he did touched BTS. he got lucky with them and that lady who he didn't give credit too but he did contribute to bts success. but that's pretty much the only one and with a black spot where he stole that ladies credit

[copper jetty]

I'm curious though as to what is Ador cooking. They said they're going to bring proof next time that they did plan something for NewJeans but did they inform the girls of that?

[old cypress]

After BTS, obviously. The past 5 years has been people asking whether he was lucky with bts or actually a genius and BSH is desperate to prove it

[old cypress]

their proof is probably the Mark Ronson thing

[copper jetty]

He did have a hand in BTS but i believe that they blew up because of their songs too that the members produced, not him. (unpopular opinion)

[short laurel]

even so, ador didn't inform girls about Mark Ronson be4 termination. girls gave them 14 days. ador should've had repalcement ready by the time mhj was out.

[copper jetty]

did they even contact the producer? I mean they can write a report that includes Mark Ronson as a producer but that doesn't mean anything if they didn't even contact or had the proof that they contacted the said producer for their artist. Like NJZ said, it's been months after MHJ was terminated and yet they didn't even plan or have said the plan to the girls.

[copper current]

NJZ lawyer should contact Mark to verify if it is true

[old cypress]

i'm sure they got his ok otherwise it's too big of a risk

[copper current]

I remember in the past someone said what Hybe mentioned was wrong, Hybe lied before

[old cypress]

hybe lies all the time yes but we'll see if they mention him in court

[frozen bronze]

youre telling me hybe lied before

[short laurel]

hybe has changed their words during this last year so 🤷‍♂️ like remember "the investors" that mhj supposedly was looking for. non of those were true

[copper jetty]

yeah like whatever happened to that saudi fund that ... whatever did happen to that???

[old cypress]

yeah it was all lies

https://x.com/consequence/status/1907796707540189413 lol this just happened

X

X · Apr 3, 2025, 2:05 PM

[frozen bronze]

im feeling a bit better about this one for now, i think ador lawyers just completely outplayed njz lawyers in initial injunction

[short laurel]

dam. well now he can't work for newjeans anytime soon

[old cypress]

also it's worth mentioning that ador never claimed that they got mark ronson

yes they put his face but it was blurred

[copper jetty]

also i'm pissed like why are they looking for other producers when we have THE 250 and FRNK and Ylva... Haven't they proven themselves enough???

[fast snow]

Apparently not

[heady gate]

NJZ members can become models. Modeling does not belong to the music industry.

[short laurel]

in officially submitted doc, it was probably not blurred. and there were more producers on the list.

[old cypress]

they won't work with hybe

[subtle matrix]

If HYBE was sabotaging NewJeans from their debut then why did they set up an entire sublabel dedicated to them with MHJ as CEO and shareholder? Did they spend billions of won to immediately sabotage their investment?

It is obvious that the relationship between MHJ and HYBE was tense from very early on (we have proof of that) and it seems logical that at some point it stopped being in HYBE's interest for NewJeans to keep growing at the rate they were growing. Where that point in time was can be argued. However to say that HYBE was sabotaging NewJeans since their debut is not a serious claim. It is conspiratorial thinking

[frozen bronze]

arent they barred from any entertainment activities? is modeling under that ?

[old cypress]

you're right

[fast snow]

Dominated Music
Dominated Fashion
Dominated Modeling

[graceful crypt]

what did this link lead to? it’s not working for me 💔

[old cypress]

from their debut, not before their debut. Big difference

[copper jetty]

as they shouldn't it's their choice

[heady gate]

Modeling belongs to the fashion industry, not the entertainment industry

[fast snow]

Mark Ronson Robinson whatever hospitalized

[old cypress]

mark ronson hospitalized for arm injury, nothing special

[graceful crypt]

ohh thank you guys!!

[short laurel]

i believe hybe started doing it cuz girls success was huge, they were expecting them to be only mildly successful. i really believe it was ego battle between bsh and mhj and mhj won at that time with newjeans success.

[old cypress]

I don't think they're interested in becoming models at all. They'd rather go the indie route than that

[short laurel]

isn't modeling technically advertising for brands. i think it comes under injunction ruling

[graceful crypt]

this! their passion is very clearly music

[copper jetty]

well aside from the ego battle i'm thinking NJZ success is still tied to the shares/cash that MHJ is gonna get... which is too ironic cause now MHJ is battling Hybe to even get something from it.

[short laurel]

yea that too. i forgot about that.

[night niche]

what happened in court today? i’ve been avoiding socials all day

[old cypress]

nothing

[frozen bronze]

nothing new, but seems like njz lawyers know what to focus on this time

[copper jetty]

her put options is tied to Ador income isn't it?? I'm just being refreshed as to everything that happened last year then add to that the Hybe debt they just got the fundings for... Is that why they want the settlement since the girls aren't gonna bring the won they want since they're on hiatus??

[short laurel]

but hybe wanted to put girls on hiatus.

[night niche]

thought so it’s just the first trial out of the many to come

[old cypress]

I think it doesn't matter because mhj already notified ador of her exercising her put options

[frozen granite]

it seems logical that at some point it stopped being in HYBE's interest for NewJeans to keep growing at the rate they were growing. Where that point in time was can be argued.

Doesn’t that count as sabotaging? Like you said, the point in time can be argued, but if a label/company doesn’t consider your success or making more music a priority that could be against their contract which I agree no one knows its specifications, but no artist would want to be with a label/company who doesn’t see your artistic career as a priority

[frozen bronze]

well this court case is against ador, and hybe can be argued to be separate from ador

[frozen granite]

Oh i know I was just responding to him

[copper jetty]

hiatus = lower newjeans value = lower Ador income = lower MHJ put options... but since MHJ is out and put options are null then what?

[frozen granite]

Anyway, I’ll be stepping out since I am on vacation, but hope nothing bad happens. Have a nice day you guys

[frozen bronze]

if the company you work for doesnt want to fully see you grow anymore it would only really be sabotage if they act on it, which would need to be proven
same situation as mhj talking about separating from hybe but there was no proof that she acted on it

[old cypress]

i think that since mhj exercised her put options, their value will take into account 2022 and 2023 revenue (or 2023/2024)

it's hard to tell because of the lack of information

[copper jetty]

yeah she exercised her put options but isn't the contract still in contest which includes the put option?

schedule

wait where's the schedule for all the court dates again???

[copper jetty]

There's so many things that happened in the past few months that I forgot about MHJ's case already

[old cypress]

there was a clause in the shareholder agreement that makes her put options worth a bargain if mhj was ousted as a ceo. And obviously hybe thinks it applies while mhj doesn't. So I assume the state of her put options is up in the air for now

Hybe stopped leaking info on it and mhj has stopped talking as well so nobody knows what's up atm

I should look into the past few hybe earning reports maybe i'll find some info

[copper jetty]

what's source music issue again with MHJ? I'm so confused cause there's a lot of things that happened since last year and I'm going by from what i just remembered. 💀

Is it also a defamation case?

[old cypress]

yeah mhj has no real case against her, it's just defamation and SH and some other stuff

Someone made a list, lemme find it if i can

[copper jetty]

thanks in advance

[pulsar wasp]

which concert?

[cinder verge]

can somebody pls summarize everything thats going on with the april 3 injunction, I dont have time to look through all these twitter posts and articles lol

[old cypress]

it wasn't about the injunction, today was the start of the main trial. Nothing much happened

[short laurel]

the case they filed to make lsfm feel better or something iirc. even though it's not about lsfm but about somu

[cinder verge]

literally nothint happened

[copper jetty]

TLDR:
Ador: can we settle?
NJZ: No.
NJZ: breach of trust because the whole management was fired and or resigned inlcluding MHJ
Ador: we didn't fire MHJ she resigned. Also you're saying you can't continue without MHJ but you just did a concert in HK without her. So you can?
NJZ: You still didn't plan anything for us after she left. 💀

That's the TL:DR basically. is there anything i missed?

[old cypress]

I can't find it but afaik :

• SH lawsuit : mhj not guilty but was put on an advance notice of fines for other things
• Soumu defamation and obstruction of business lawsuit
• Belift defamation and obstruction of business lawsuit
• Hybe financial embezzlement lawsuit (but i think this one is a police complaint not an actual lawsuit?)

[cinder verge]

thanks! but didnt mhj help them with their new song and complexcon?

[split bramble]

legally they cant admit that cause of tampering allegations

[stiff prairie]

dang how did u manage to backread that far lol. i was talking about complexcon

[copper jetty]

Technically we're speculating. Nothing confirmed though. And i think it was basically Ador's lawyers trap to have that tampering narrative.

Which is kind of weird since by then NJZ contract is not valid (as they claimed) and they can work with whoever they want.

[old cypress]

The trap theory is just some guy on twitter's opinion afaik

[short laurel]

i'll say it again. if girls worked with mhj, it'll raise eyebrows but is not enough to prove tempering. it'll work in mediaplay though.

[copper jetty]

Also MHJ is not equal to the OG ador staff... I mean the older staff can still work with them. Doesn't mean that MHJ is also working with them unless proven otherwise.

Wait now that I'm thinking about it, does OG Ador staff have a compete clause in their contracts too??

[subtle matrix]

I'm not arguing (and never have) that NJZ does not have legitimate reasons to not want to stay with ADOR/HYBE. All I'm saying here is that believing HYBE was sabotaging NJZ since their debut is nonsense

[cinder verge]

wait what are the tampering allegations?

[subtle matrix]

Basically ADOR/HYBE has been arguing since the ultimatum that their unilateral termination was orchestrated by or done together with MHJ

[naive hound]

Pls, no more shaman stuff

[cinder verge]

so if mhj didnt help them with pit stop and complexcon then who did

[frozen bronze]

what are you trying to say

[short laurel]

girls can produce song themselves. but they probably hired people. we jsut don't know cuz injunction ruling didn't allow for it to be released.

[copper jetty]

their former team???

[cinder verge]

idfk

[naive hound]

Their former team from ador?

[cinder verge]

are they allowed to work together

[frozen bronze]

mhj could have helped them or she could not have, point is njz legal i guess doesnt want to make that public yet since that could give ador legal some footing for tampering allegations if she did

[copper jetty]

NJZ is independent so why not? Their producers are outsourced from Hybe ever since. 250, Frnk, Ylva so yeah.

[cinder verge]

did 250 and frnk produce pit stop

[naive hound]

Yep, I think we all assume mhj is still managing or giving advice to them in some way but they just can't mention it due to the current scenario

[short laurel]

why we assume that. it could be that they no long talk about this with each other.

[frozen bronze]

they probably can mention it, but why would they

[cinder verge]

ahh ok, sorry yall i didnt mean to come off as saying they couldnt do anything without mhj i just didnt know who they were working with

the girls are still on good terms with mhj then tho no?

[copper jetty]

as per genius yes

idk how credible that is tho

[frozen bronze]

thats good i think, if they didnt work with any former ador staff their whole argument of not being able to work in ador after everyone got replaced kinda falls through

[naive hound]

Is not like they can't work without her, they clearly can but being alone in the industry is tough. Having someone to give you advice or to contact producers surely helps
You can follow that advice or not, up to you ig

[cinder verge]

so is mhj just like... gone? like what is she doing in this situation

[frozen bronze]

has her own legal battles, not many updates about her recently

[short laurel]

she's in legal battles against hybe and it's sublabels and employee B

[naive hound]

Yeah,in her case I think is better for now to keep a low profile

[heady gate]

I can't find any info from the KOMCA website

[copper jetty]

probably in her house listening to her music and sipping tea or coffee or something, worrying about her next court date. idk why you're asking but how is it any of our business?

[short laurel]

it's not that they can't work with anyone else, it's just ador didn't discuss it with girls and replaced staff without telling them. girls as equal partner of contract has right to choose who they want to work with since it's their career.

[frozen bronze]

yeah true

[mild mist]

I should point out that NJZ never said that it was impossible for them to work without min heejin,
only that it is impossible for them to work with ADOR.
Remember this when you see john reddit posting whatever

[copper jetty]

lmao at the "John reddit posting"

[atomic echo]

https://www.reddit.com/r/NJZ/comments/1jq0ycm/understanding_mhjs_contract_and_the_financial/

thats a good read right there.

[sly python]

so how are we feelings? seems like a whole lot of nothing but this is suppose to be a lenghty process regardless

[wary creek]

i hope they got proof of hybe trying to compete with njz with illit

[hollow sorrel]

that’s not true, they have been sabotaging the girls even before debut and here is a translated timeline:
(by the same user)

https://www.reddit.com/r/NJZ/s/w4Q8v7rKZl

even though it’s more focused on mhj you can still see how HYBE messed with them and their parents and the debut order (which is not a violation of any contract, but still shows how absurd things were happening even before debut)

[subtle matrix]

Can you point out the examples of sabotage there?

[hollow sorrel]

being promised that you will debut first for months if not years just to make some last minute changes and literally be “thrown away” (because yes, NewJeans almost didn’t debut if they weren’t transferred to ADOR)

all the time Hanni and Minji spent training would have been for nothing and that is a serious breakdown of trust from their and their parents’ perspective

they were also not allowed to be marketed or seen which is just super weird for a kpop group (little did we know this actually benefitted them)

[dapper root]

the second argument can be made for other trainees

how about the girls that trained with njz and got let go? or eunchae and lsfm?

and the third point was the whole point of the marketing

a surprise debut it worked

[hollow sorrel]

I mean obviously more trainees don’t debut than trainees who debut, the problem here is that “N Team” at this stage (AT LEAST FROM MY UNDERSTANDING) was promised to debut

[dapper root]

but shouldnt idols and trainees know plans can change? im not trying to blame the girls

[subtle matrix]

Deciding to debut another group first is not sabotage
Trainees ending up not debuting is common in the industry, and also not sabotage
Deciding how a team should or should not be marketed is not sabotage

[dapper root]

but the industry is fast moving

they literally got chaewon out of woolim

[high totem]

i thought hyein suggested the surprise debut?

[dapper root]

sakura was coming off akb graduation

[hollow sorrel]

sakura and chaewon were already well known in the entertainment industry, even if they didn’t debut with lsf they would probably be successful soloist/jpop idols today

[dapper root]

i think it would’ve been horrible to stay on the lsfm debut i actually think newjeans debuting after was a benefit

if lsfm debuted after njz i think they would slow down njz the momentum for njz but thats my opinion

[hollow sorrel]

also it’s just really really unusual for a company to debut 2 girl groups months apart

[dapper root]

well thats also because source is a sub label

source is still its own thing

so is ador

[high totem]

why are we psychoanalyzing debuts
did something happen

[dapper root]

its the lsm sabotaged njz for not debuting them first

type argument

they promised the girls to debut first yadda yadda

but shit like this happens all the time

[subtle matrix]

It is unusual but it's their strategy. You can't argue against its commercial success

[dapper root]

you can think about future 2ne1 being shelved for years and it was cut from like 8 of them to 4 😭

[high totem]

did they?
either way lots of groups probably debut long after their 'promised' debut date

[dapper root]

i never thought of it as sabotage by anymeans

[high totem]

and in the long run i think it was better for njz to debut after lsfm

[dapper root]

yeah apparently it was in the text messages

i only remember it from the meme

where its like can i debut lsfm and its min heejin going NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO :(

[subtle matrix]

NewJeans was well on their way to becoming the most popular gg worldwide
LSF is incredibly successful too, both domestically and internationally
ILLIT had one of the most successful kpop debut singles ever

[hollow sorrel]

looking at this in retrospect I understand your biases towards the “surprise drop” or the mysterious marketing, newjeans debuting after lsf or whatever but please understand that we have to look at the actions of HYBE while they were taking place and if you ask me no one would intentionally do that to their own group

[subtle matrix]

And I ask you to understand that no company would invest $20m in a group just to be able to sabotage them

[dapper root]

I’ve never liked the term of sabotage in this context

it just doesn’t make any sense

[hollow sorrel]

yeah sabotage is a broad term idk how @subtle matrix would define it but me personally sabotage is when something planned doesn't work out properly because of interference from another party

[hollow sorrel]

also this narrative that hyein suggested the surprise drop, I always took it as she liked the idea of them coming out of nowhere, not her actually calling the shots TT

I'm sorry to burst your bubbles but a 13 year old does not make decisions like that in a multi billion dollar company

[subtle matrix]

The much more reasonable explanation is that MHJ and HYBE, who had creative differences from the start, kept butting heads which escalated to the point where relationship was completely deteriorated

[hollow sorrel]

https://youtu.be/kGE8xbYEYdk?t=2560

[subtle matrix]

Personally I would definite it as "deliberate obstruction and/or subversion that seeks to cause harm to the subject and hinder its success"

[hollow sorrel]

looked for the part in the presscon where she actually starts talking about the debut inconsistencies

[high totem]

i never said she was 'calling the shots', i am aware that she doesn't have the power to directly make decisions
but apparently mhj conferred with the members prior to debut so it's plausible she could've brought up something similar, who knows

[subtle matrix]

I agree that the term "sabotage" is not helping the discussion here and in most places

Because if you say "HYBE made decisions that were harmful/did not benefit NewJeans throughout their career" then sure I'll agree

If you say "HYBE sabotaged NewJeans throughout their career" I'm calling you a crazy person

[wary creek]

would it be a breach though if hybe made harmful decisions for NewJeans under the premise that it's a business decision. I'm wondering because it'll be hard to prove insidious intent over just a business decision.

[vital orbit]

back when her lawyers were fighting for their LIVES this live was so fucking funny

[split bramble]

• hybe ceo saying he wants to ruin njz reputation
• as soon as the whole drama started they said njz would go on 18 month hiatus
• not just kicked mhj but worked to actively stop the usual group of people from working with njz
• cancelled fanmeet, paused album

refusing to take action while other labels work to tarnish njz in media saying 'your fans team bunnies took legal action', so why dont njz sign with team bunnies then since they're the ones doing what a management agency supposed to be doing

there's many documented cases of 'intent' but its all about whether the usual corrupt sk judges agree with it or not

notice njz side didnt argue mistreatment angle today because injunction judge refused to acknowledge anything as mistreatment

[old cypress]

But it's a fact that hybe sabotaged njz throughout their career

pick the black ribbon thing, what is it if not sabotage?

sometimes you gotta call a spade a spade, it's an important thing that everyone needs to acknowledge

otherwise people are going to be stuck in the false premise that all was good and rainbows until hybe decided to eject mhj due to "adult" and "greed" issues

As we said before, hybe invested in newjeans and they debuted successfully but they were a bit too successful for BSH's taste so BSH decided to tamper with newjeans which started a chain of events that led to today. It's not very difficult to understand

[frozen bronze]

the ribbon thing is something i definitely consider sabotage

[old cypress]

Yes. I don't understand how some tokkis see this and still claim that njz could work at ador under certain circumstances

[frozen bronze]

"too successful" doesnt seem likely at all, the more successful the better
he probably just didnt like that mhj was right and he didnt have much credit for the group. their egos clashed

[old cypress]

there's a saying "Never outshine the master" and mhj did just that. Ego clash involves 2 parties but this is just one-way

[frozen bronze]

maybe .. its a bit nuanced for me to say i think
i think if it was 1 way mhj wouldnt have been so adamant internally about illit
but theres more to that that we dont know

[old cypress]

If we can add some nuance, we can say that things would have turned out differently if mhj let bsh coproduce newjeans after their debut so he could put his name and take credit

but mhj would never let him and i don't think tokkis want that either

[frozen bronze]

that would probably have been fine yeah but not like thats anyones fault for not letting him

[old cypress]

If anything mhj didn't understand that bsh was supposed to be her master and she paid the price. But is she in the wrong? The real problem is BSH not committing to his independent sublabel system

[late ether]

tysm for sharing this

[subtle matrix]

When was the black ribbon thing

[frozen bronze]

around december 30th it seems like

[subtle matrix]

You can't use things that happened after the MHJ/HYBE war started in earnest as proof that HYBE has been sabotaging NJZ from the beginning

[frozen bronze]

to be clear i agree with this, i dont think there was "sabotage" from the beginning just petty adults

[late ether]

for everyone saying that bang wasnt sabotaging newjeans from the beggining please go read this: https://www.reddit.com/r/NJZ/comments/1joai05/factbased_njznewjeans_min_heejin_ador_hybe/

[subtle matrix]

We have discussed it already, and like I asked previously I'd like it if people pointed out an actual example of sabotage from that timeline

[old cypress]

The LV collaboration

The apple collaboration

FYI the apple situation is hybe "not liking" the OMG MV and asking apple if they would work with another group next. Apple said no and we got ETA as a result

[bronze talon]

I feel like the real sabotage started the moment mhj spoke up about the copyright thing
bsh didn't like that at all
From what we know how he treated/looked at the members already and what text messages we had between mhj and bsh after njzs success this all escalated really quickly and then the doom slowly started to happen no?

[old cypress]

the apple collaboration was before that, same for LV

[bronze talon]

In the end it's all this ego battle

[old cypress]

mhj and newjeans and their parents already said that a bunch of things happened before the copyright thing even started

[heady gate]

*x -c https://x.com/tim_cook/status/1641471674854920193

Tim Cook (@tim_cook) on X

Our team was so excited to host NewJeans for a special sneak peek at Apple Gangnam, we can’t wait to open our doors and welcome customers tomorrow in Seoul.

X · Mar 30, 2023, 4:05 PM

[harsh dove]

:warning: Tweet with id 1641471674854920193 does not contain any media!

[heady gate]

Apple X NJ was a big moment as a new group.

[old cypress]

Before that event, hybe wanted to stop the collaboration but apple said no and newjeans was able to attend that event and keep working with Apple

[bronze talon]

but that isnt really a sabotage for my understanding no? or what did they exactly do that hurt njzs image? maybe im uninformed
like what did hybe then do against them to actively "ruin" them

[old cypress]

Taking away opportunities to favor another group is sabotage

but we shouldn't be too focused on the word sabotage, the word doesn't matter. What matters is hybe is constantly moving against njz

[high totem]

why would hybe want to sabotage njz (at least before the court stuff)

if their only goal is to make more money like people say, and im sure njz after debut was making money for them, right

[old cypress]

because bsh hates their success

[late ether]

Bang didnt let MHJ meet the trainees for months after trainee evaluation
Bang made Minji and Hanni appear in a MV without prior consultation with MHJ
Bang has pushed le sserafim to debut first
Hybe has not let MHJ to promote newjeans
Bang made her sign a predatory contract

[bronze talon]

i mean yea, just asking this is weird maybe for us fans bc we want njz to get such opportunities but for them as a company should this not be like a general move to make everyone more known?
if we look at it today this may have been an involvement to try to let them look worse in the end, not sure. seems a bit hypothetically for me but i can sense their intention behind it, its like a indirect sabotage for me

[late ether]

all in the post btw

[bronze talon]

only bc of this
he really just doesnt like it when there is little to no credit to his name and him seeing this group being so successful in such short time hurt him real bad 💀

[old cypress]

No, sublabels are supposed to be independant, hybe should have kept a neutral stance and granted equal treatment and not tried to rob njz's exclusive deals to give them to other groups

[heady gate]

BSH can't get credit of NJ success.

[old cypress]

he literally ignores the members in the elevator. Won't even say hi or anything

[bronze talon]

can no 2 or more groups have a deal with the same company? if not then yep

like simultaneously

[old cypress]

2 groups can have a deal with the same brand yes, there's no rule against that

[late ether]

he has photos with all of his groups on ig except newjeans lol. even before all the drama started

[heady gate]

that is true

[old cypress]

It's pretty obvious he can't stand njz at all

[bronze talon]

then idk why he would ask to transfer this to a diff group, def weird

[old cypress]

we all know why

[hoary frost]

Yeah i argee. I mean let's say taking another's groups opportunity and wanting to give it to another group. In the end it's same result for the company, but it's sabotage to the group itself
and yeah there are various occurences with proof that are just odd

[stoic heron]

the reality is, bsh didn't expect newjeans to make such success, and he tried to sabotage it the most

[twilit lark]

why that man would sabotage such a group under his company is still beyond me

[old cypress]

that man ignores njz when they're in the elevator

[heady gate]

We would never fully understand why he sabotaged a group. I am hoping the judge would favor NJZ.

[subtle matrix]

Bang didnt let MHJ meet the trainees for months after trainee evaluation
I'm gonna be honest here, I don't exactly know what this means and I don't know the internal workings of the company and MHJ's role so I'm not equipped to comment on it at this point

Bang made Minji and Hanni appear in a MV without prior consultation with MHJ
Incredible piece of sabotage to have 2 trainees featured in a MV by the biggest kpop group in the world

Bang has pushed le sserafim to debut first
I'm gonna talk about this one separately because I think it's important

Hybe has not let MHJ to promote newjeans
The timeline doesn't even state that. It just says that they placed restrictions on how they could be promoted.

Bang made her sign a predatory contract
Yes one of those predatory contracts where you eventually get 18% of a company

[stoic heron]

that's a great question, but unfortunately that happened, last year a lot of papers were released saying that they would throw njz away and etc etc etc, the thing with their numbers in Japan

[twilit lark]

their papers dont make a lotta sense but im not getting into that

[stoic heron]

why not?

[heady gate]

the 18k papers?

[twilit lark]

didn’t they start the investigation right in the middle of their promos in japan? arguing about japanese sales to thorw them out wouldn’t make a lot of sense (they still did better than most their labelmates still)

[old cypress]

The audit? That was a week before bubblegum

[twilit lark]

so even before the audit

[old cypress]

As for the internal reports, they were revealed sometimes in october

[heady gate]

I thought we have pins of these info

[subtle matrix]

Now let's see the "BSH pushed for LSF to debut first" angle

MHJ's says that NewJeans was meant to be the first GG to debut under hybe but is this actually true? Because what seems to have happened is:

1. MHJ is hired to create the first GG to debut under hybe, and also create a new label
2. BSH and MHJ's concepts clash (BSH wants to take advantage of prior recognition from izone, MHJ has an incompatible concept)
3. Source Music moves with the BSH plan, MHJ's concept is moved to ADOR
4. BSH informs MHJ that Source Music's group will debut first

It seems to me that saying NewJeans was supposed to be the first GG to debut under HYBE is not completely true. MHJ was in fact hired to debut a GG under Source Music (the first HYBE GG debut), but the creative differences between her and BSH/HYBE lead to a separation between "MHJ group" and "Source Music group (the first HYBE GG debut)".

[stoic heron]

so that voice call was forged by Newjeans?

[atomic echo]

A contract where you get 18% of the company… if we let you stay there. 😂

[old cypress]

read yourself once more lol, especially the last sentence... MHJ hired to debut the first hybe gg but mhj's gg is not the first hybe gg...

You're just playing on semantics like hybe does. The fact is the first gg was supposed to be newjeans and one day due to ive debuting, bsh wanted his own ive hence lsfm

[heady gate]

I hope she wins the shareholder's agreement case.

[old cypress]

Anyway this discussion is pointless since everyone agrees but argue on semantics

[late ether]

its literally all there in the timeline.
as for the 2nd point the issue is that BSHK didnt consult their appearances with MHJ prior to it happening.
regarding the contract issue go read this reddit post https://www.reddit.com/r/NJZ/comments/1jq0ycm/understanding_mhjs_contract_and_the_financial/ he made mhj sign a contract that banned her from working in the industry until 2029

[heady gate]

The Reddit posts are good

[old cypress]

that was the revised contract (the shareholder agreement) that was the problem. Long short story initially mhj had a standard contract but no ownership. Later hybe gave them the opportunity to buy 20% of ADOR for a good price along with the new contract. She signed it but it was a trap and she got trapped

[late ether]

yeah you are right. i got a little lost here

[old cypress]

As others said, while hybe initially wasn't eager to debut newjeans, they eventually decided to go with it and hybe set up ador and invested in the group and supported the group. Things went south only when njz's success outshone other hybe groups.

[late ether]

im gonna be honest: i dont know what the standard procedures regarding kpop contracts are but it seems to me that even the initial contract is little predatory. HYBE giving MHJ 0 shares when forming her new label and making her pay large sums of money to transfer trainees seems unethical to me

[heady gate]

Other labels may have done the same thing.

[old cypress]

This is normal since hybe is funding ADOR. MHJ isn't spending a dime so she shouldn't receive shares unless hybe is willing to make a good gesture

As for paying large sums of money to transfer trainees, it's ADOR paying for this so ultimately just money moving from hybe/ador to hybe/soumu. It's just transferring the costs of training the members from an accounting POV

[heady gate]

options of 13x of ADOR's 2-year profit. That is a lot of money.

[late ether]

yeah ur right

[subtle matrix]

I am not playing semantics, it's an important distinction. MHJ was supposed to debut the first GG (under Source Music) and then create a label. The initial plan was not to debut the first GG under the new MHJ label. Clearly moving MHJ's concept to her own label creates a clash here. Regardless I'm not saying it was one way or the other I'm just saying I'm not sure the plan to have MHJ debut the first GG necessarily means that GG was NewJeans

[hoary frost]

Just saw a tweet (lol ik) with 134k to a response of an idol's work schedule saying "are there no labour laws in this country"...yet when someone actually tries to take action against it 🧐

Just a bunch of empty words, nothing more

[pulsar wasp]

*x https://x.com/yo_lobster/status/1907680031293505755?s=46&t=fNOSZJh6PZHLeSxBuZ7DWA

might need these updates daily during CHAPTER NJZ

[harsh dove]

@yo_lobster <t:1743661337:d>

[late ether]

Regarding the "NJ wasnt really supposed to be first" idea: MHJs entire public stance contradicts that. She claims she was explicitly promised NJ would be HYBEs first GG. Her narrative is that HYBE/BSH broke this promise for LSF. So saying the original plan "isn't completely true" basically dismisses her core complaint which is about that broken promise not just a simple change due to different concepts.

[old cypress]

the newjeans members were training in soumu so... that was newjeans. And they were being told that they'd be the first hybe gg. It's just that one day BSH decided to shelve everthing and create lsfm

[subtle matrix]

I would expect MHJ's public stance to support her complaints

[old cypress]

You're basically picking HYBE's justification over mhj/newjeans parents here. It's your right but I'm not sure why you would do this considering that hybe lied almost at every occasion

[subtle matrix]

But the clash in concepts between BSH and MHJ starts even before most of the NJZ members join Source Music. From the timeline post some shared ealier, BSH says MHJ's concept would be a better fit for her own label as early as May 2020

[old cypress]

Yes the concept wasn't set in stone but we know that njz was being told that they'd debut first

[late ether]

.True! And her specific complaint being about a broken promise is the core part that contradicts the initial arguments take

[subtle matrix]

If you get anything out of this discussion is that I don't believe absolutely anyone involved here is telling the whole truth

[old cypress]

Yeah I can see that, you're essentially saying that newjeans aren't telling the whole truth

[subtle matrix]

Yes

[old cypress]

it's your choice but our conversation is done here

[chilly sun]

i don’t get why it matters that lsfm debuted first can you explain it to me 😵‍💫

[late ether]

exactly

[late ether]

Nah, the evidence points pretty clearly one way

[subtle matrix]

Fair

[late ether]

also a great thing to point out is that MHJ has been informed of this decision abruptly after significant progress with debuting newjeans has been made

[subtle matrix]

mizu, the reality is in today's internet it is incredibly easy to only be exposed to one set of sources that mostly support one side. If you go to some reddit subs or discord servers, all the "evidence" posted there will support HYBE. If you go to other reddit subs or discord servers, all the "evidence" posted there will support MHJ and NJZ. Add to that how easy it is to fabricate messages and documents and to anonymously submit it to some forum, and it's nearly impossible to get the whole story. I am pushing back against some wild claims being made here because otherwise I will never understand wtf is going on with this case

[chilly sun]

that’s true but ig that’s why you wait for the court’s decision we can only hope the best for the girls rn

[old cypress]

That's not true, it's not difficult to check for actual evidence and form your opinion from it

[chilly sun]

is it not? if you are exposed to one side of an argument you are more likely to believe it, yes you can make you’re own opinion but you’re already influenced by others as you’re being fed information that fits the narrative you want to believe

[late ether]

MHJ put receipts on the table publicly that cuts through the 'internet noise' pretty effectively

[old cypress]

Yes but you can adopt a neutral stance until you get more information. It's been a year already since the whole thing started

[subtle matrix]

I'll just say that if the actual evidence for NJZ's side was so overwhelming then a judge wouldn't have dismissed all of their claims during the injunction and ruled in favour of ADOR/HYBE but I'm sure you'll say the courts are corrupt

[old cypress]

Do you even know why the judge dismissed all their claims? This feels like talking to a little 7

[subtle matrix]

I have read the ruling several times so yes

[old cypress]

then tell me

[subtle matrix]

Why

[late ether]

Nah, some of us actually evaluate evidence instead of just blaming echo chambers

[old cypress]

Because you just stated something that only people biased towards hybe would state

[late ether]

Are you serious? The judge ruled IN FAVOR OF MHJ for the injunction. HYBE lost that attempt to fire her because their case wasnt strong enough. Maybe actually read the ruling before claiming it dismissed her evidence?

[old cypress]

he meant the njz injunction not the mhj one

[late ether]

ooooh

[subtle matrix]

There have been 3 injunctions

[late ether]

yeah my mistake, sorry

[cinder narwhal]

do you just enjoy wasting your time on this lou or do you really expect to change minds in an njz biased server

[subtle matrix]

Why is that?

[subtle matrix]

Absolutely not, I came here seeing if I could change my mind and I have to say you have been successful

If I was here to try to change everyone's mind I would expect HYBE to at least have the decency to pay me

[old cypress]

because you'd know that the judge dismissed the claims because of technicalities

[subtle matrix]

I disagree with that notion

[old cypress]

you're free to disagree i'm not interested in convincing you

[subtle matrix]

Fair

[hoary frost]

one of the reasons of the ruling being they aren't workers hence not entitled to workplace harassment laws

[subtle matrix]

I think that was the reason for Hanni's case being dismissed by the Labour Ministry. IIRC that wasn't part of the ruling for the latest injunction

[late ether]

Sure doesn't look that way from your arguments

[cinder narwhal]

"njz haven't been mistreated/bullied too much for too long for breach of trust to occur"

is this a fair simplification of the judge's ruling

[heady gate]

Time will tell.

[old cypress]

No the judge shot down most claims either because 1) it's hybe not ador; 2) it happened under mhj not the new ador; 3) whatever is left isn't enough to justify breach of trust

if we simplify even further : "njz haven't been mistreated by the right people"

[cinder narwhal]

if you say it like that then what chance do they have 😭 rip

[old cypress]

ok you're trolling

[cinder narwhal]

what

doesn't it work the other way too

[subtle matrix]

Before I came here I was mostly exposed to the other side of the argument, but my stance was always mostly neutral. I'm more sympathetic to NJZ now than I was when I joined. I see some of MHJ's and NJZ's complaints as legitimate, but not all of them. I see some of HYBE's arguments against the complaints as being legitimate, but not all of them. There is a lot of nuance here, it's hard for me to see this situation as clear cut as many others do.

[old cypress]

Simple thought experiment if you may : Hybe claims one thing and njz claims another, and you're unable to check the hard evidence, who are you inclined to believe ?

[subtle matrix]

In a vacuum, NJZ

[old cypress]

It's not what I'm seeing but ok

[late ether]

"Mostly neutral" wasn't the impression you gave when you were confidently arguing points that turned out to be factually wrong.

[subtle matrix]

Fair but I'm being completely honest here, for a few months I just caught headlines about this case and never bothered to actually figure out exactly what was going on, and during that whole time I just assumed NJZ were completely right

[subtle matrix]

Such as?

[old cypress]

yep if someone insists to be neutral after a full year of events i'm just assuming that they're either uninformed or they side with hybe. Unfortunately many people love sounding smart and presenting a "nuanced" pov instead of reaching the obvious conclusions.

[late ether]

Your claims about newjeans not getting sabotaged, for starters

[subtle matrix]

I only argued that there is no reason to say they were sabotaged from the start. As we have discussed, maybe the word "sabotage" here is leading to a difference of opinion

[late ether]

Don't hide behind semantics. You pushed back against the claim they were negatively impacted, whatever word you use.

[subtle matrix]

@late ether

[subtle matrix]

Okay since I obliged your thought experiment, return the favour: if tomorrow three NJZ members came out and said "all of the claims by MHJ and NJZ were either completely fabricated or severely exaggerated in order to break away from HYBE" would you believe MHJ+2 members or the 3 members?

[copper jetty]

What irregularities did MHJ see??

[late ether]

So you admit HYBE made decisions harmful to NewJeans, but get hung up on the word "sabotage"? From NJZ's perspective, what's the practical difference if the outcome was negative either way?

[graceful crypt]

sorry i’ve been lurking reading this argument and I’m curious—-when you acknowledge hybe has done things that were harmful/not beneficial for the girls, do you think hybe was doing those things on purpose, or as a result of negligence, or some other reason?

[old cypress]

I'd believe mhj+2 since many of their claims were proven true

[late ether]

Trying to invent scenarios to divide them doesn't change the current reality or the evidence presented so far. Baseless 'what ifs' aren't arguments.

[copper jetty]

Oh that.. well we know that already. And I do understand her pov in this. I just thought there's new stuff

[subtle matrix]

For example, you could argue that the decision to have LSF debut first was damaging to NewJeans. Would I call it sabotage? No. Because sabotage implies a deliberate action to cause harm.

[subtle matrix]

I am not arguing nor do I think that scenario would ever happen. Loosen up

[copper jetty]

Actually I would argue that her complaint would be justified. Imagine how would an independent sublabel have another independent sublabel's private document?

[graceful crypt]

Am I correct in remembering your argument isn’t that hybe never sabotaged newjeans, but just that hybe hasn’t been sabotaging newjeans since before their debut? Or do you believe hybe has never sabotaged newjeans?

[subtle matrix]

That perspective is highly reductive imo. Why do we have murder and involuntary manslaughter charges when in both cases the person is dead? The intent is very relevant here

[subtle matrix]

This whole argument started because I pushed back specifically against the idea that hybe was sabotaging newjeans from their debut yes. I don't think hybe is completely innocent here, despite what people might think

[bronze talon]

doesnt this always go back to the root cause of all of this?

[high totem]

are we still talking about this

[polar owl]

If people cannot see the fact that bias against NJ existed from the beginning because they were not BSH's favourite child, you are just being...

“When the mind clings to a chosen end, the eyes grow blind to the path. That which is plain becomes hidden, and victory slips through unseen hands.” — Sun Tzu

[late ether]

Your analogy only works if you start by assuming HYBE had no malicious intent. MHJ's entire argument is that the intent was there, demonstrated by broken promises and specific actions. You can't dismiss the claim of sabotage just because you personally reject the alleged intent.

[subtle matrix]

MHJ should prove the intent was there then

[polar owl]

I am signing 📴 Discussion is meh 😑

[subtle matrix]

Like I said before if HYBE came out tomorrow and said "MHJ and NJZ are right we fucked up" I'd be like 👍

[late ether]

Duh. That's literally what her entire case and public statements are doing – laying out the actions that demonstrate intent.

[subtle matrix]

Then I am sure she'll be able to convince me eventually

I am open to it

[late ether]

She is presenting it. Your call if you choose to see it.

[subtle matrix]

I have seen a lot of evidence that support her argument, and I have seen lots that doesn't. I will await for the image to be clearer before I make my call

[late ether]

Convenient.

[heady gate]

*x https://x.com/haerinthequeenn/status/1907942935087456450

NJZ Enthusiast (@haerinthequeenn) on X

The full statement is so much better The court stated: Trust breakdown is a somewhat abstract concept — it depends on how each person feels.
I’ve seen cases where idols signed contracts, never received a single settlement
Compared to those cases, this is unique.
If NewJeans were

X · Apr 3, 2025, 11:46 PM

[harsh dove]

:warning: Tweet with id 1907942935087456450 does not contain any media!

[late ether]

https://tenor.com/view/gülmek-komik-gif-1506407869824367367

[subtle matrix]

There's no shame in saying "I don't think I have the necessary information to pass a judgement on this topic"

[late ether]

Okay, you do that.

[surreal raft]

hey guys

I have question.. is this true and what does it mean

[stoic heron]

it's a lie

they already said if one of them would not agree with something, they are not doing it

[surreal raft]

THANK YIU

[stoic heron]

thank you for the fact check, it's important these days

[steel depot]

other fandom talking about njz you already know it's a lie

or a misinformation

[stoic heron]

yeah it depends, some fandoms are out there just to spread lies, but others are by our sides (rarely)

[steel depot]

anyway any update from what has been said by their lawyers yesterday?

[stoic heron]

that's the last thing I saw
https://x.com/haerinthequeenn/status/1907942935087456450?t=tpEv2bfFKrXIzha-5PYClQ&s=19

NJZ Enthusiast (@haerinthequeenn) on X

The full statement is so much better The court stated: Trust breakdown is a somewhat abstract concept — it depends on how each person feels.
I’ve seen cases where idols signed contracts, never received a single settlement
Compared to those cases, this is unique.
If NewJeans were

X · Apr 3, 2025, 11:46 PM

[steel depot]

thank you this makes more sense than just the highlights we got yesterday

[stoic heron]

this account it's really good, they are posting so much things about the whole situation

[short laurel]

I not remember where i read it but wasn't it hybe who didn't allow newjeans to advertise be4 debut?

[graceful crypt]

this might not be what you’re talking about, but iirc, when min heejin gave interviews about her upcoming girl group, she wasn’t allowed to say things like “it’s made up of rookies” bc BSH wanted to create ambiguity about whether LSF was going to be her GG or not in order to market them.

so she wasn’t allowed to advertise NJs in the way she intended to

[short laurel]

She's just dumb with technology n she paid for that, shouldn't have trusted kkt. n hybe's spying on the internet. N that brings me to this point.
Why did hybe store their employees kkt on their server, that's breach of privacy. Why ppl not bringing this up anymore

[short laurel]

That in somu. I m talking about ador. I remember reading about it.

https://x.com/TheKoreaHerald/status/1907982176584675651

The Korea Herald 코리아헤럴드 (@TheKoreaHerald) on X

Yoon Suk Yeol's impeachment upheld, new president to be elected within 60 days

#SouthKorea #YoonSukYeol #Impeachment

X · Apr 4, 2025, 2:22 AM

With yoon gone n once new president selected, NA will focus able to focus on other issues, including hybe.

[heady gate]

National Election Commission 2024

[copper current]

https://x.com/CakeDegg/status/1907991275472621591

Cake🍀 (@CakeDegg) on X

The next step is to clear out Yoon’s remaining allies in the government
HYBE and BSH, your time is up

X · Apr 4, 2025, 2:59 AM

[short laurel]

It'll still be long wait

[heady gate]

it took 111 days. that is good

[cinder narwhal]

is haerin doing a keena?

[short laurel]

No. She not. That is just fake news by anti

[copper jetty]

Apparently according to kpoppies sources. 💀 (sources in their heads)

[cinder narwhal]

https://n.news.naver.com/article/366/0001066637

[short laurel]

50-50 members were not close when it happened.
Njz members have developed strong bonds by now so they'll discuss it together if they plan anything.

[cinder narwhal]

the bunnies take: https://x.com/MinotaurKard/status/1907998231788954083

Mino (@MinotaurKard) on X

The Haerin story is a nothing story except for media play.

Her guardian has been granted rights by the family court and wants to fight against Hybe Ador based on Haerin's wishes. This shows that Haerin WANTS to fight and are united with the rest of NJZ's members.

However the

X · Apr 4, 2025, 3:26 AM

[short laurel]

It says nothing aside from there was a case.

[short laurel]

A comment below said, njz n iu being used as cover up cuz of impeachment. Both getting attacked over nothing

Ofc it's a stretch but the timing as always is weird

[copper jetty]

This just says there was a case in family court. Idk how they're saying how it was confirmed that there was a conflict based on that cause they didn't specify why there was a case or what the case was for. If I'm reading it correctly, they're just assuming things based on the judge's questions.

They're also just speculating on who it is wether it's Hyein or Haerin. 💀

[short laurel]

Exactly. It says bunch of nothing

[craggy skiff]

yes. I thought only sejeong present yesterday. how the f they know is njz parents conflict or not 💀

they keep their strategy: harass hanni, make her look like she is lying and spread internal conflict theories from hyein/haerin side
They want to making viewers misunderstand that the other members are unhappy because of Hanni

[copper jetty]

Because they're the youngest and currently not the most vocal out of the 5

[hoary frost]

weird thing is when I saw someone say dani and hanni have major imbalance over them as adults ...they're not much older than them, anything to support the agenda

[hoary frost]

They wish, they are treating like some tv show "Ohh this has parallels to that 50-50 case!!". this is real life and they are completely seperate

[wary creek]

in my opinion, after reading about k pop industry "slave contracts", if idols could be dropped by their company easily because of having a romantic relationship and are independent contractors (not employees), they should be more lenient on breaking contracts early.

[frozen granite]

I keep seeing haerin & heyin. What’s up? What’s happening? Someone please fill me in as I have not been too active on social media or here

[cinder narwhal]

scroll up until you see an article

[red thorn]

Ah Chozun Biz

[frozen granite]

Ok I read the article & bunnies take I’m confused … was the article twisting words & the situation of what actually happened?

[hollow sorrel]

https://x.com/bammi057/status/1907932736624685124?s=46&t=rG1o-Bkd-GgDMGG_CtSg2Q

yb🐰 (@bammi057) on X

The court is essentially questioning whether there was ever a genuine trust relationship between NewJeans and ADOR, given that the group might not have existed under ADOR without former CEO Min Hee-jin.

X · Apr 3, 2025, 11:06 PM

this is making me really confident, I love how this judge recognizes this is a unique case

[hoary frost]

From what I read all we seem to know is that there was a case in family court. rest is speculation

[frozen granite]

No one knows the content of the family case ?

[hoary frost]

"is it true that a decision on parental authority has been made by the family court and that all litigation actions have been made"
"for now there is a deficiency in representation rights"
"a decision on parental authority has been made and litigation actions been ratified"
this is what's relevant from the article, the direct quotes

[half knot]

what is this "haerin story"?

nvm

[craggy skiff]

look like it is a confuse about who(parent) will be the authorized legal representative for minor members(haerin/hyein)
just a hybe media play as usually

"According to the Korean Civil Procedure Act, when a party to a lawsuit is a minor (under 19 years old), the parent or legal guardian (친권자부) must represent him/her in the proceedings."

[half knot]

This is all a distraction and entirely not our business, but the court's words suggest one of the two minor members have parents who share custody through family court, as in they are likely separated at this time.

And that there is a disagreement that required family court's ruling on which of the two parents had guardianship rights and representation over determination of the contract dispute proceedings.

Which......... perhaps explains where some of the past private chat leaks or details came from, as well as the potential alleged Dispatch exclusive regarding Ador coming to an agreement with a parent.

Because the court's words implies that at least one parent disagrees with the contract dispute with ADOR.

[hoary frost]

I think we should refrain from speculating

[half knot]

Also I am not sure the tone of the judge is coming across correctly in this translation.

It is somewhat equally skeptical of NJZ side's arguments as it is of Ador's arguments. They usually don't reveal their hands in the very first hearing. Don't read too much into it.

[half knot]

It is being mediaplayed, so it is important to understand the context without speculating further.

[craggy skiff]

https://x.com/soyamoyas/status/1908009978209898545?t=IH3jzX-3bKFz6TQ5pkdiSg&s=19

soy 🏎️🏁 {slow mode} (@soyamoyas) on X

HYBE IS GETTING DESPERATE

Hybe has been paying cyberwreckers to push this narrative of Haerin staying at Hybe for a long time.

This channel on YouTube focuses on lies and hate videos for idols and 10 days ago already published this video saying the same things in the article

X · Apr 4, 2025, 4:13 AM

[short laurel]

In may heirin will be 19 intl or 20 in korean right. If it's her then she would get to decide instead of her parents right?

[half knot]

I am not sure how it works for ongoing court cases but once she's an adult, all of this becomes moot anyway.

[short laurel]

N it'll be be4 2nd hearing

[copper jetty]

Well... maybe one of the parents really did disagree... I mean even bunnies are conflicted since this started because they'll be battling a huge conglomerate. It's not gonna be an easy win but an uphill battle.

We're all just here because it's what the girls decided and we're here just to support them. I think family court would also acknowledge what Haerin's wants and needs are, she's underage but definitely can convey what she wants despite what narrative is presented here and the fact that the case continued as is, this is just to muddle everything.

[hoary frost]

how do we know this has to do with haerin? im confused

[copper jetty]

Nothing purely speculations... we don't even know if it's haerin or hyein that had the family court.

[hoary frost]

we should wait for more info

[copper jetty]

But according to this and the media play article just now is this
https://x.com/soyamoyas/status/1908010311015362809?t=zl5vrE8bOr58LTxAdldoww&s=09

soy 🏎️🏁 {slow mode} (@soyamoyas) on X

10 days ago this video apppeared from a huge cyberwrecker channel with the SAME information as today’s article

That Haerin’s parents disagree and she actually wants to stay with Hybe

This channel pushes out lies and controversies on idols. Comments always hate on idols

X · Apr 4, 2025, 4:14 AM

[half knot]

this is really something fans need to not dig further into.

[frozen granite]

I just hope this doesn’t affect haerin’s mental health

[half knot]

If we see something from the court, we can talk about the context and implication, but investigating it is just wrong. It is their private lives being weaponized against them.

[hoary frost]

yeah my bad...i was just wondering why people were just assuming its haerin

because i didnt see any mention of it from the direct source

[half knot]

Because 50% chance it's about her, and the mediaplay being heavily directed at/about her seems to suggest as such.

[hoary frost]

you said this here so i was confused

[half knot]

Some of this stuff really needs to not be fully open to public, the court's transcripts being available to journalists and cyberwreckers is not great.

[frozen granite]

I hope the girls are not on social media at all for their own good. This is just ugly

[half knot]

Yeah that's based on what the judges have said twice now. They never indicated who though, or even mention it is about the minor members.

[copper jetty]

Idk question for me here is how did the cyber wrecker knew about the family court thing before the article today? I didn't even know there was such a case... did you guys know? Cause that would explain why they knew and not if Hybe leaked it.

[frozen granite]

I personally didn’t know, I wonder if team bunnies knew as they have said they are working very closely with the lawyers

I mean if they knew & have worked as closely as they said they have & did not make it a big deal then there should be nothing to worry about, right?

[cinder narwhal]

would you say njz_pr is covered by the injunction ban

[half knot]

I don't know. It's more than likely that they were tipped off by HYBE/Ador or their lawyers as to the court cases, which are often publicly accessible, and they dug further.

[rain spade]

Korean age is remove

[ashen charm]

haerin is being slandered

[stiff prairie]

What happened with haerin now?

[short laurel]

nothing. mediaplay as usual.

[stiff prairie]

What slander then

[short laurel]

either haerin or hyein had parent court about contract rights or something. media is just doing the usual over speculation from it "she's silent so she not want to leave ador." narrative

[stiff prairie]

I skimmed thru a lil bit. I thought haerin's parents are in a custody battle and one of them wants haerin to be in hybe?

[ashen charm]

there saying thasts the reason haerin didnt attend in hk breakfast wow

[stiff prairie]

You don't become adult at 19 in kr btw?

[short laurel]

we don't know. if it's about hyein or haerin.

[stiff prairie]

Ohh so ppl saying it's haerin cause she missed the breakfast? ;-;
Better mediaplay would've been saying both of their parents duo have one each to that prefers hybe

Did njz pr say anything about it?

[short laurel]

korean consider kids adults at 19 intl age, she 18 intl rn. though legally they started using intl system, their system still use korean system where she is 19 korean age n will be 20 korean age in may i think? (some use new year for age, some lunar new year and some birth date so honestly idk)

[short laurel]

idk abotu the breakfast one. i only read the article posted above. parents have yet to say anything

[stiff prairie]

Either way the case goes on till after she becomes adult and her opinion is counted only

[heady gate]

We need a response from NJZ_PR.

[short laurel]

she'll be 19 intl age be4 2nd hearing.

[stiff prairie]

When is the second hearing? I'm a little out of the loop

[short laurel]

iirc in june ? her brithday is in may

[hollow sorrel]

haerin birthday may 15th
2nd hearing june 5th

[stiff prairie]

Alright so the mediaplay is irrelevant. If it's Hyein then it might be an issue tho

[hollow sorrel]

I don’t think it’s anything serious Hyein emphasized in the BBC interview that they always talk with each other about everything and they will stick together

https://x.com/iseauseamee/status/1908045038581592556?s=46&t=rG1o-Bkd-GgDMGG_CtSg2Q

NJZ Fund (@iseauseamee) on X

Once again, Hanni already made it clear:
“We always say to each other, if one person doesn’t want to do it then we are not gonna do it. Have to be all 5 of us that agrees to do it.”

#BNZ_SUPPORT_HAERIN

X · Apr 4, 2025, 6:32 AM

[heady gate]

I am expecting more of these news articles within 12 hours.

[stiff prairie]

I just read the article zyx sent. looks like sejong themselves cleared it up when they said family court stuff will reach conclusion next week and there won't be any issues after that

[flint stone]

https://x.com/webelieveinbots/status/1908012612354261203?t=J6_7f_8_HzHE8PgkmW5G1w&s=19

webelieveingwarosa (@webelieveinbots) on X

#Haerin warned everybody on September 2024 that #Hybe would try to make up false facts about her and post private information like they did before… now, 2025, they’re doing it exactly like she said, this is the only information that should be circulating about her

X · Apr 4, 2025, 4:23 AM

[storm warren]

conclusion is reached already

or there was two one before injunction and one now

anyways doesnt matter, they will deal with their issues on their own. overall stance does not change

[hoary frost]

yep we just need to trust their word. they've all been transparent on where they stand

[subtle matrix]

Even if one of the parents doesn't agree the members themselves all agree so it doesn't affect the case

[cinder narwhal]

does someone have a tldr of the reddit post shared earlier

[upbeat stream]

I asked gpt just for fun, and it thinks the custody battle has to be about Hyein. Haerin wouldn't make sense as she reaches legal adulthood in like a month

[stiff prairie]

yeah i'm not thinking about it that much. i've alr accepted the fact that hybe mediaplay will keep njz in the back of ppl's mind whether for better or worse

[shy schooner]

Media play in full effect

[steel depot]

is korean age still a thing?

[steel depot]

they will say it's source music and not ador :3

but i hope the court will see the light that hybe and ador are the ones that cannot be trusted

[flint stone]

ador job is to protect artist/girls,so

[copper current]

https://x.com/aarrttee01/status/1908065960101355542

.🩵 (@aarrttee01) on X

🚨i-tokkis,these are planned articles by HYBE using pro-HYBE reporters to drive a wedge between the members, so just ignore and keep supporting NJZ🩵NJZ is strongly united🤗Below are the media outlets that published these divisive articles.
이간질 기사에 속지마!이간질 기사 설명👇

X · Apr 4, 2025, 7:55 AM

[thorny knot]

typical hybe media play

[copper jetty]

Question though since we're in the topic of agencies supposedly protecting their artists. The judge said that this is the first time they're having loss of trust reason aside from the salary payment for KPOP idols. Does usual KPOP agency do this? Also is the topic of mental health not supported in S. Korea?

[short laurel]

In hyein case it does matter cuz she's minor. But we'll only know about it much later anyways.

[short laurel]

I m not sure but there could be more similar cases in k entertainment just not in kpop? Remember njz method is not new n has been done by someone in k entertainment be4 n they won too. But everyone considers it a separate industry.

[subtle matrix]

Well it would matter but what's being reported is that the one parent who supports her (the minor, unclear who) was granted parental rights so it's all good

[short laurel]

Oo. I didn't understand the article well. That's good then.

[flint stone]

*x https://x.com/bborbnz/status/1908105020547158233?t=oKL06NkblmsjnpzPhl5tyw&s=19

[harsh dove]

@bborbnz <t:1743762662:d>

[cinder narwhal]

to people who don't visit nj chat, njz ig is over
https://www.instagram.com/mhdhh_friends/
https://www.instagram.com/mhdhh_pr/

[mental lynx]

NO WAY WHAT

[steel depot]

😭

[hollow sorrel]

what could this mean?

[subtle matrix]

Could mean absolutely nothing

[steel depot]

i mean... ig just to respect the injunction decision and so that it will not be thrown at them if they still use a name that is trademarked for business purpose...

[hollow sorrel]

okay let’s hope they created njz_pr and njz_official accounts in case they can use it again

[copper jetty]

also are they going to be using things in the court case that's why they erased it IG?

[hollow sorrel]

what about the trademarks they filed?

[steel depot]

this is just 'for the meantime we will not be using njz name' let's support them as a human being and not use the brand/group name

[copper jetty]

Did they release a statement or what?

[steel depot]

they haven't let's wait for it

[hollow sorrel]

I’m thinking they changed back to mhdhh to make the statement?

[tardy smelt]

*x -c https://x.com/newjeans_loop/status/1908120079515930748?s=46

[harsh dove]

@newjeans_loop <t:1743766252:d>

Fuck you chosunbiz

[tardy smelt]

loops showing some vitriol

[cinder narwhal]

yeah njz is tied to entertainment activities, their names aren't. unless hybe thinks it is LOL

[hollow sorrel]

thats smart from the girls and their team

[tired sundial]

in what way how? 😭

hybe can't be this stupid to think that

[cinder narwhal]

you never know

[steel depot]

they can go even lower

[hollow sorrel]

NJZ is an entertainment group so if NJZ_pr is their “pr team” that would mean they are going against the injunction

but if they suddenly go with MHDHH that’s no entertainment group since it’s just them

[hushed whale]

its a good thing, theyre just being careful

[eternal ibex]

my god theyre like a little kid who got told “no” so they throw a tantrum 💔 💔

[copper jetty]

https://x.com/NewJeansSTRM/status/1908120131378860220?t=rwtkyKgSa1VMDtbJgx_CeQ&s=19

Bunnies also released statement

팀 버니즈 (@NewJeansSTRM) on X

악성 게시물 법적 대응 현황 안내

X · Apr 4, 2025, 11:31 AM

[harsh dove]

:warning: Tweet with id 1908121132911469032 does not contain any media!

[tired sundial]

💀

[kindred estuary]

https://fixupx.com/yo_lobster/status/1908121132911469032

𝙡𝙤𝙗𝙨𝙩𝙚𝙧🦞 (@yo_lobster)

TEAM BUNNIES STATEMENT
︀︀[250404]
︀︀
︀︀Hello, this is Team Bunnies.
︀︀
︀︀Recently, speculative content and malicious posts based on obvious false facts targeting NJZ members (Minji, Hanni, Danielle, Haerin, Hyein) and their parents have been indiscriminately spreading on various online communities and SNS. Accordingly, we have determined that the reputations of the parties involved have been seriously damaged, and we would like to inform you of the current status of related legal action.
︀︀
︀︀On March 24, 2025, we warned of legal action against the authors of malicious posts through the New Lawyer Law Firm, and announced that we would file charges on December 13, 2024 and March 13, 2025. In April 2025, we filed a criminal complaint for additional defamation, and an investigator has been assigned to investigate the recently filed case.
︀︀
︀︀In the case of previously reported cases, the identities of the authors of malicious posts have been la…

FixupX · Apr 4, 2025, 11:35 AM

[copper jetty]

Why is Instiz familiar??? Is it like a news site???

[cinder narwhal]

it's like theqoo

[sonic olive]

I think we fked up

[upbeat stream]

We as in?

[copper jetty]

We??

[waxen musk]

Just popping in to say FUCK HYBE.

[copper jetty]

-ditto2

[tall dew]

https://imgur.com/QCcV6JZ

[tired sundial]

lost all respect for the company

[subtle matrix]

bruh can people stop overreacting to a change in instagram page name lol their legal team probably advised them to do so after getting a feel for the judge during the first hearing

[copper jetty]

Lost all respect for the company and all the idols in it. So

[steel depot]

nahh we're going to be fine our girls are going to fine

[copper jetty]

Hopefully

[waxen musk]

What I said before about them potentially being able to use social media but not under the name NJZ seems like it could happen. I think they deleted all their posts because a lot of them are for advertising and performance related. As long as their social posts are not advertising or performance related, I think they can go ahead. I wasn't expecting them to do this on an account with over 5 million followers though, I thought they would create a new account. And all of this is nothing I am actually certain about can happen anyway.

Anyway I'll say it again because why not: FUCK HYBE.

[pulsar wasp]

what was said about Haerin’s family background?

[tired sundial]

excuse me?

[cinder narwhal]

they just said it's a private matter

[pulsar wasp]

*x https://x.com/catzkang/status/1908116884870070315?s=46&t=fNOSZJh6PZHLeSxBuZ7DWA

[harsh dove]

@catzkang <t:1743765491:d>

[steel depot]

i dont think those are important we should better stay away they have done with hyein's family now they're doing it to haerin's

[honest sky]

ALL THE POSTS

[waxen musk]

People have saved the posts in multiple locations it's not the end of the world lol. People really freak out over that.

[tired sundial]

aight bruh these mfs crossed the line wit this

[warm void]

*x -c https://x.com/catzkang/status/1908124845243818105

반희수🫧 (@catzkang) on X

All the misinformations about Haerin are making her feel stressed and upset. I’m asking the media to stop spreading lies about her and her family. Haerin and her family think and feel the same way as the other members and their families.

STOP SPREADING MISINFORMATIONS.

X · Apr 4, 2025, 11:49 AM

[harsh dove]

:warning: Tweet with id 1908124845243818105 does not contain any media!

[upbeat stream]

Is there any reason people think it's Haerin and not Hyein?

[copper jetty]

for some reason they went by the members one by one starting with MJ, Dani, Hyein, Hanni and now Haerin.... Fudge those.....

[waxen musk]

The press said it was Haerin. Then MHDHH's parents said right now that it was not Hearin.

[pulsar wasp]

I’m jw what was said about her family background, that was confirmed false?

[tired sundial]

yes

[subtle matrix]

The statement indicates that it is Hyein and it's the mother who was granted full parental rights

[short laurel]

it's their private matter and has nothing to do with current stance of the girls which is that they are standing against ador and have no plan to returning.

[frozen bronze]

where?

[sage venture]

another piece of evidence for breach of trust is piling up

[cinder narwhal]

oh chat gpt didn't translate the names but you can see it in the korean op

[frozen bronze]

but where d id the parents say that

[bronze talon]

This is also probably just for safety measures for the objection so ador doesn't have a point with the injunction matter

[subtle matrix]

The rumors regarding member Haerin are entirely false. Haerin and her parents are completely aligned in their stance, and any speculation about their family matters is also untrue. Due to these unfounded and one-sided speculations, the member and her family are experiencing extreme emotional distress.

The process of adjusting parental authority out of respect for a minor’s wishes was a matter concerning a different member. In that case, both the child and the mother were firm in their decision,

Relevant section of the statement post on the mhdhh_pr account

[warm void]

*x -c https://x.com/PoppyKPoppie/status/1908123033132536166

[harsh dove]

@PoppyKPoppie <t:1743766956:d>

MHDHH_PR (formerly NJZ_PR) Update
04 April
⸻

Hello, we are the parents of the members.

The reports from some media outlets claiming that “there is division among the members’ parents” are completely false. We would like to clarify this to prevent any misunderstandings.

All five members share a firm stance that they cannot return to HYBE, and this decision was made after sufficient discussions with their families. Since the members have firmly promised that they will not take legal action unless all five agree unanimously, they trust and support each other deeply.

Currently, the members are maintaining a unified stance, and we, as their parents, also fully respect our children’s wishes, with no change in our position. The members frequently meet to discuss their situation and are working hard to overcome difficulties together. Seeing attempts to fabricate division among them is shocking and disappointing.

It feels as if someone is deliberately trying to create discord, but we see no value in responding to such actions. However, since specific members’ names are being mentioned, we feel the need to clarify our position.

The claim that there is discord among the members regarding contract termination is completely untrue. The termination was carried out with the full agreement of the members and their parents, and any speculations about internal discord are entirely false. Such baseless speculation is causing extreme mental stress for both the members and their families.

Just as we respected our children’s wishes and proceeded with legal action, other members also have their own family matters, and any speculation regarding their situations should also be refrained from.

At present, the parents of all members are respecting and supporting their children.

Article 2 of the Press Arbitration Act stipulates that personal information—such as statements regarding ongoing family disputes, ages, occupat

[upbeat stream]

That's what I thought too, Haerin doesn't even make sense since she turns 19 in May. So it would become irrelevant