NJZ Updates and Discussion

[short laurel]

yup. c this.

[empty halo]

true its just a cycle of hate trains in kpop

[glossy siren]

I'd personally like to talk about the artistic side of kpop on youtube but the toxicity of the fandoms blocks me totally. kpop stans know no limit

[empty halo]

uhuh and also even without payola big 4 groups just kinda get streams automatically from avg stans bc of curiosity on what the supposed "new big thing" is, charting isnt that impressive if u have the popularity and resources of yg hybe sm or jyp

[glossy siren]

the defamations trains I've seen...the mhj one is so over anything I've ever seen that kinda touched me. dystopic

[frozen bronze]

i swear my recommended is so bad rn.. i dont watch anything regarding this case on youtube i only watch the regular njz content but suddenly i keep getting low view videos of tts drama slop channels bashing them

[empty halo]

(in my personal opinion atleast)

[short laurel]

also young fans mass stream, inflating numbers further.

[empty halo]

YES true

[glossy siren]

where is the fun if results are not organic? yay you won cheating

[short laurel]

i started blocking kpop on youtube too, just like on tiktok. it's so peaceful.

[empty halo]

FACTS

im not a massive multistan only care about a select number of ggs so i do not need kpop all over my feed 🙏

[copper jetty]

Yeah I mostly just watch fan content by NJZ fans themselves or newjeans' yt but I was surprised when that certain YT channel with Tea on their name came up in my algorithm. 💀

[empty halo]

block allat ong

tc of ur mental health do not consume kpop drama brainrot creators 🙏

[copper jetty]

Same with me but for some reason I get recommendations from other kpop groups on my YT. I want to like block them all... I don't know how without also blocking NJZ content. 💀

[short laurel]

yea related content will keep coming cuz tags.

[empty halo]

😭 😭 i have my watch history and consequently my recommendations turned off on youtube i live in like a peaceful youtube echo chamber where yt just doesnt recommend me anything ahaha

[frozen bronze]

like what are you even talking about

[short laurel]

wwhy would u post that here

[empty halo]

????????????
as i said
B R A I N R O T

[copper jetty]

How do you turn it off? I want to live in my NJZ bubble with just the channel I subscribe with.

Lowkey highly recommend this one tho... https://youtube.com/@gofyjeans?si=znuT6B4aXUe1MoFT

[empty halo]

ill check it out! to turn it off go to settings, histroy and privacy and click on pause watch history

[frozen granite]

Every time I come across a kpop update TikTok I skip it literally a trauma response atp

[short laurel]

anything kpop = skip, go to watch history and delete it.

[empty halo]

i only use xiaohongshu to doomscroll these days my fyp on there is just peaceful aesthetic videos and coffee NO KPOP AT ALL 😭

[short laurel]

i rarely open that one. most of the stuff i get on that are either chinese or americans. i need more diversity.

[frozen granite]

Like what kind?

[empty halo]

ah i see and yes thats true, i dont rlly mind diversity tho bc i just watch videos of people making coffee siwjksmn

[short laurel]

last i checked it. it was mostly makeup tutorials or americans grumping about usa going bad. it was last month i think.

[lost violet]

Wrong chat woops

[empty halo]

i mean it depends heavily on what u engage with, if u just sit thru a certain kinda video or save or like it itll change ur feed and become a part of it

[short laurel]

it's been like that since i registered on it. i not used it much.

[empty halo]

and also theres very little about tiktok and the usa going bad since tiktok came back (literally a day later)

[empty halo]

ah i see

[short laurel]

on tiktok i get content from creators all around the world. and that is nice to c. on littleredbook only chinese or americans.

but i m interested in coffee content. my yt is full of them so i'd love some recommendation on littleredbook

[empty halo]

uhuh thats true rednote is a chinese app so its bound to be filled w more chinese users and some americans who stayed over after tt returned a day later

[empty halo]

i dont follow any certain pages i js scroll thru videos of people making drinks at home or at 7/11 jsnjafj u should look up coffee on the rednote search engine (which is p good) and engage w that content, ull get it on ur feed very soon

anyw gn njcord im gonna go byebye 👋

[short laurel]

thx, i forgot about search :v good night

[lost violet]

When will this end

[orchid field]

the best thing u can do is save up money and buy albums and concerts when they comeback

[lost violet]

Who actually started this whole thing

[surreal raft]

no literally why did this even started

[lost violet]

Idk who started it

[night niche]

im releasing some docs in a couple of minutes

[lost violet]

Idk i just want ts to end im gonna save it guys

[night niche]

i had to go on korean news sites and man

[eternal ibex]

hey guys out of curiosity did hanni (i believe) ever mention it was illit who said ignored them? and the cctv footage, that wasnt illit was it? i believe anyways. im trying to help out a friend who said the girls lied about allat 💔

[eternal ibex]

i should add on, this is just what i know and like picking memories from my brain i could go back and like look at it but thats taking too long so id rather just ask here

[sonic meadow]

I don’t think hanni mentioned any group at all

[eternal ibex]

thats what i thought so idk where illit even came from

[sonic meadow]

She did say she got ignored by a group but didn’t say which group was it

[vocal sable]

im pretty sure it was belift who confirmed it?

[eternal ibex]

oh they confirmed themselves? thats interesting

[vocal sable]

because im pretty sure everyone assumed it was them and starting hating on them and belift just had to say something someone correct me if im wrong about this 😭😭

i know it def wasn’t hanni tho, she never mentioned them in publci ever

[sonic meadow]

I think some people accused illit of ignoring hanni but im not sure

[orchid field]

Wrong. She said a groups MANAGER told their group to ignore her.

Hanni never even mentioned which group nor did she accuse a group member.

On top of that, the video hybe released (which was hybe themselves said was deleted) was from the wrong day of illit bowing to danielle (yes, not hanni but danielle)

[sonic meadow]

Oh

[eternal ibex]

righttt i knew she never even said who

[sonic meadow]

Some Ppl just like to blame illit for everything 😭

[vocal sable]

yes i think illit fans mistake a lot of information, i know its not their fault tho because so much misinformation is spread it creates a misunderstanding in the fandom. i feel like when statements from newjeans side mention illit its referring to the manager ykwim? like its not talking about the girls itself, because they didnt do anything imo

[orchid field]

You dont need a reason to hate someone or something, hate is unfair like that. People will lie, edit fake screenshots and fake translations just to hate on other people

[eternal ibex]

thank u sm for this I just didnt want my friend to believe tiktok misinfo slop

[sonic meadow]

I hate TikTok sometimes

[orchid field]

When its daytime in asia alot more of the better informed bunnies are here

[eternal ibex]

ahhh

got it ill try coming back later hopefully and see if that helps me out as well but thank you again ^^

[night niche]

finished!

[quartz creek]

Yooo that’s awesome

[pastel umbra]

those are some pretty good reads

[vocal sable]

so gooddd

[fast snow]

Holy sh.

https://x.com/yslhaerin/status/1904565807385841823?s=46&t=D3LnH-p9kYxTSqXq8OAdzA

‏َ (@yslhaerin) on X

Exposing HYBE and how it’s quite literally endangering and damaging their idols

a thread 🧵

X · Mar 25, 2025, 4:07 PM

[eternal ibex]

sorry for coming back again but anyone know how they performed pitstop after the court ruling? friend says they breached it but im not entirely sure on the details myself

[night niche]

what did you friend say they breached exactly

[eternal ibex]

contract itself the court one i mean

[night niche]

the sad thing about this thread is that none of this is new information and people are still being willfully ignorant to this day

[night niche]

the injunction only applies to activities inside korea since south korea courts only have jurisdiction over south korea

they performed in hong kong, assumably to still be able to perform regardless of the injunction results

[eternal ibex]

ahhh got it! thank you so much!

[wary creek]

for the 2nd pdf, the line: "South Korea’s corruption levels have only slowly improved" maybe change 'improved' to 'increased'?

[night niche]

that would actually change the meaning because

if i say "South Korea’s corruption levels have only slowly increased," it would mean that corruption has been getting worse over time,
vs

"South Korea’s corruption levels have only slowly improved" means that corruption has been decreasing, but at a very slow pace (which is what i meant)

maybe if i say "South Korea’s corruption levels have only gradually improved" it would make it more clearer?

[vocal sable]

damnn this friend really believes everything people say about them 😭😭 good for u tho for getting their facts right

[eternal ibex]

literally just trying to help them not believe everything 😭 ty tho

[vocal sable]

its soo frustrating when people believe everything, but in this context i can see why a lot of people believe everything quickly because the same misinformation surfaces everywhere so its really easy to just take peoples word, all it really takes is a few fact checks

[polar owl]

So, anything new today chat?

Njz_official has nothing new 😒 which is expected

Is there a date for taking up the objection hearing?

[night niche]

don’t think so yet

[polar owl]

Hmm. We should expect things to move slowly now... days with information vacuum

[fleet nebula]

yeah, just vibe out in your day-to-day life, check for updates and be nice and chill and wait for the girls to do their thing, slow burner times ahead of us

[wary creek]

oh whoops i misunderstood. hmm maybe say something like "corruption levels have improved but only very gradually due to..." but what you originally said is fine.

[night niche]

thank you for the suggestions! i’ll probably change the wording when i upload everything to a google drive

[hot girder]

We're still not in a drough for information, though. Things won't move slowly because the main lawsuit is happening in just 9 days

[polar owl]

Good reads. Thanks.

[vital orbit]

ate down hard w this one

[hot girder]

If everything we went through has been tough, we're still in for a ride because the lawsuit is still not done 💀 I hope the girls are okay and not looking at socmedia

[polar owl]

They have been strong

[vital orbit]

i hope when they look at SNS they dgaf

[polar owl]

Some of the strength should rub off on us fans 😜

I may be wrong, but there are some cultural nuances at play due to which NJZ doesn't have overwhelming and across the spectrum support. In other places, for a group as popular as them, people and media would be up in arms in a David vs Goliath fight.

Here are my generalizations on SK culture (in absence of anything worthwhile to contribute 😜)

• Challenging authority is scandalous ( The idea of workers—especially young women—challenging authority remains uncomfortable in a society where obedience and deference are traditionally expected)

• Suffering in silence is valued (endure hardships quitely than disrupt the system)

• Honor & Collective stability over individual rights (netizens may instinctively side with HYBE for the sake of corporate and industry stability)

Add a fractured k-pop fanbase

[night niche]

future documents:
• referring to NJZ as "pedojeans" (DONE)
• deep dive into mhj and her controversies
• hybe and its subsidiaries companies (source, belift, etc.)
• plagiarism court case
• how to find reliable sources in news and in the media, for NJZ's case and for life in general
• south koreas corruption, journalism, media play (DONE)
• reaction to the injunction in korean general public vs. knets (still deciding, may be hard to get proper data on)

[night niche]

you’re spot on for all of these

also thanks for all the love with the documents i try my best

[vocal sable]

another thing ive seen people do lately is hate on all of the girls except haerin and hyein, they think they are being forced by the older girls to leave ador and speak out and are just overall being controlled by the older girls? they say constantly oh i feel bad for only hyein and haerin. likee? what

[hoary frost]

yeah, i saw that

[polar owl]

Right. Minji, Dani & Hanni exhibit strong personalities and are quite outspoken. Command over English also probably adds to the feeling

[night niche]

it’s because out of all the girls haerin and hyein are considered to be the least “outspoken” about the situation to the general public
also, hanni and dani’s hate, whether people want to admit it or not, is very much fueled by racism. hyein and haerin are native koreans, so koreans are gonna be naturally less aggressive towards them

[polar owl]

They are influencing HH 😜

[vocal sable]

exactly, i feel like in a way the older girls are also really protective given haerin and hyein are younger especially hyein being 16, i cant imagine the pressure on obviously all the members but especially hyein being just 16. but apparently because she has spoke out less and is more ‘silent’ about the situation she isnt one of their punching bags.

[night niche]

and unfortunately minji is still receiving hate about the information revealed about her trainee days to this day (cockroach infested dorm, walking out all alone by herself)
because people are using it as fandom wars to compare which idol “went through worse” instead of using their critical thinking skills to see the corruption of the kpop industry

[hoary frost]

most of the haters are just people who were influenced by false and misleading information, and honestly, it's ridiculous

[polar owl]

Our favourite idol had it worse, why are you complaining 😢 Such flawed logic

[vocal sable]

also this is absolutely nothing against bts le sserafim and illit i love all of these groups, the problem here is the fans. i see people all the time saying ‘oh they deserve an apology, these 3 are targeted by newjeans’ ‘they are being bullied by newjeans’ etc etc. like first of all how is bts relevant to anything that has happened at all? it feels as if armies just want a reason to include themselves in everything (im saying this as someone who is probably classed as an army PLS dont think im one of thise toxic twt ones i stay away from all that). but also all these groups have nothing to do with the mistreatment njz received and the whole thing that hanni betrayed yunjin and is a fake friend, like whattt? these fans do realise this is a court case and its not about being fake or real friends this is real court shit

[hoary frost]

her fighting for her rights is being a fake friend? like wtf 😭

[vocal sable]

i hope u guys know what i mean regarding to their fans saying they deserve an apology and they went through so much and they are the real victims. it actually makes me so confused when they say this because wdym, victims of what? njz did nothing to these groups

[vocal sable]

no this got me like wdym ‘poor yunjin, hanni is a fake friend’ like girl this isnt stan twt this isnt high school or snapchat this is real court stuff i dont think hanni gaf about being a real friend and either way it has nothing at all to do with their friendship or the girls as friends anyway. lmaoo

[mild mist]

some fans see everything as zero sum
what's bad for X is good for Y

therefore if we do everything we can to destroy X, Y will be better

some really love playing the victim or underdog cards, so if they have the narrative that their group, pushed by the richest and most powerful record company in the land, is somehow fighting off the big bads then that helps
don't know why they think that though

[polar owl]

Seeing Hyein in tears in HK was so sad. Any link for the translations of what she & Haerin said?

[frozen bronze]

why do i keep seeing the title of comedian next to lee jin ho? was he a tv personality or something?

[red thorn]

Yes there's comedian/tv personality named Lee Jin-ho
If you know Knowing Bros

[old cypress]

different person

[old cypress]

I don't think it's the case, newjeans/njz is based in korea so the injunction should apply to both domestic and international activities. The injunction itself mentions the complexcon concert. That's why they're on an indefinite hiatus instead of holding performances abroad.

They were able to perform in HK most likely because fraudor allowed it. Fraudor tweeted about supporting the concert so it's probably the case here.

[night niche]

even if the injunction mentions international activities, it’s up to each individual country to actually enforce such injunction

the hiatus is most likely in order to not cause any further legal disputes as the situation plays out, it’s a smart strategic move for NJZ

south korean court rulings don’t automatically apply to other countries, regardless of whether it involves stuff internationally or not

[old cypress]

It's not how injunctions work, nobody enforces it, it's supposed to be self enforced. Technically njz are the ones enforcing the injunction and if they breach it, hybe can sue them for that

technically njz can hold concerts in korea and there won't be any cops or organizers stopping them, however njz would be in big legal trouble after the concert

[red thorn]

There's key clause of exclusive contract that pointed:
During the contract period, the debtors shall not, without the creditor's prior approval, engage in negotiations for appearances or entertainment activities independently or through any third party other than the creditor, in any region, including South Korea and worldwide, where the creditor has exclusive rights.

[old cypress]

yep

[night niche]

this is really only partially correct and a pretty oversimplified explanation

im gonna probably create a document going into depth about how injunctions works

[old cypress]

yeah it's simplified but the gist of it is it doesn't matter what other countries do at all

[red thorn]

Oh wait, it's about the effect of the injunction not the effect of contract itself huh

[upbeat stream]

Seeing all the tweets with #엔제이지_밥먹어 is so heartwarming. Best korean fandom ever

[night niche]

you get it

[old cypress]

the injunction is basically stating that exclusive contract is still active until the main lawsuit

[upbeat stream]

Yes and many countries have rules that civil rulings from other countries are only enforced if they are final, which an injunction is obviously not

[old cypress]

It doesn't matter whether they enforce it or not, I think people are missing the point here

if they do a performance whether it's in korea or abroad, the judge will consider it a breach of the injunction. What other countries do is not relevant at all

[upbeat stream]

That's true, I just joined the convo right now and didn't know what y'all talking about lol

But I'm of the belief that they should give up on Korea. I have very little hope in their justice system after such a cruel and ridiculous ruling

[night niche]

a korean judge may consider any NJZ activity a violation, but im trying to say that doesn’t mean the injunction is automatically enforceable worldwide. the effect of the injunction stops at korea’s borders unless HYBE successfully extends it internationally, which would be crazy and nearly impossible because a kpop company trying to create international issues would make both HYBE and korea look extremely bad, and each country has its own set of labour laws

im not necessarily disagreeing with you, im just trying to say that saying a korean injunction applying worldwide is frankly, wrong

[red thorn]

Aren't we talking hypothetically, to understand how actually injunction works

[old cypress]

It doesn't matter because NJZ is based in korea and their contract for international activities is based in korea

whenever they do a performance aborad, it's settled and accounted in korea because their company is located in korea

[upbeat stream]

I guess you two are talking about 2 different things

[night niche]

im not sure what we’re talking about atp

[old cypress]

Yeah I think there's a misunderstanding on what the injunction is, from your side

Speaking simply : If njz does a performance abroad, nobody will stop it, hybe can complain to the local authorities they will do nothing. However the judge in korea will consider it a breach of the injunction and njz will be in contempt of court and the judge will view njz very unfavorably during the main lawsuit

So essentially the injunction effectively stops njz from performing anywhere in the world because they now have to abide by their newjeans contract.

[frozen bronze]

you guys are talking about different scenarios

[polar owl]

The event was already planned, tickets sold. Judges are not impractical can be made to understand this. Ador is now bickering on the use of NJZ, declaration if hiatus, and not that the concert happened

[old cypress]

Ador most likely allowed the concert to happen so there's no problem with that

[polar owl]

Ador had no control over this event

Their staff was told by CompexCon not to interfere as this is a NJZ event

[frozen bronze]

ador could not stop hong kong concert if they wanted to, but if they did not support it then thats bad in court for njz

[old cypress]

yep that's correct it was better for them to 'allow' it

[polar owl]

Stop being so defensive. NJZ cannot bow down to all Ador demands

[old cypress]

who is being defensive? lol

[polar owl]

We are in a fight

[frozen bronze]

no korean contracts can be enforced outside of korea technically, but stuff that happens outside of korea will still impact court cases or contract violations set in korea

[upbeat stream]

It seems to me based on that dispatch article that the concert did not go through ador, they had no control over it

[frozen bronze]

they would have to never return or something lol

[upbeat stream]

Dispatch said that it would be difficult to estimate sales of their merch and thus split profits. If it was via ador, there wouldn't be this problem. And dispatch would know

[old cypress]

yeah that's correct

[polar owl]

I mean Ador would raise this definitely. But the NJZ side would have valid arguments on why they can't change schedule at the last minute. They did say that they will abide by the court going ahead.

[old cypress]

Ador said publicly that they're supporting the event so most likely the court will interpret it as an OK

[frozen bronze]

meh theres some nuance they will argue

[old cypress]

Yeah probably on the merch profits and stuff lol

[frozen bronze]

ador supported the concert being held under the name newjeans, stuff like "njz" on their legs is less easy to argue against for njz

[upbeat stream]

For a civil case? I'm not certain how it works but that seems excessive

[polar owl]

As a Newjeans event. But NJZ merch was promoted. Hence they are now complaining. Don't think this will have a bearing on main lawsuit.

[frozen bronze]

nah that was just an extreme example dont pay mind to it

[old cypress]

njz can say they didn't have time to change the merch since the ruling was very last minute anyway

[frozen bronze]

the merch yes but painting njz on their legs is different as they could have just not done it

[polar owl]

It is also symbolic...a fo to Ador.

[old cypress]

I don't think it's a problem tbh, since they didn't introduce themselves as njz

[frozen bronze]

yea idk i would still not have done the legs thing but i dont think that will make or break the case

[night niche]

oh so this is the thing i think we’re disagreeing on?
the injunction isn’t legally restricting them from performing abroad
instead NJZ is deciding not to because it could cause more legal trouble for them in korea, they can essentially do whatever they want abroad, but when they return to korea it can cause them trouble
technically, if a korean judge decides to use these performances as evidence in court, it could be overstepping their jurisdiction as judges, especially considering the high profile of this case and what NJZ is up against
but in the korean court system, the judge using it as evidence still wouldn’t be out of the ordinary because korean judges are known for doing that in cases like this

@old cypress sorry forgot to tag you

[heady gate]

I haven't log on X and Discord since the court result on last week. I just read the latest pin. Any more bad news?

[old cypress]

if newjeans can't perform abroad because it will cause more legal trouble for them in korea, then they're pretty much unable to perform abroad. We're just arguing on semantics, the main point is still the same.

However the judge would not be overstepping their jurisdiction since the newjeans exclusive contract covers both domestic and international activities. Exclusive newjeans contract still valid = njz can't be used anywhere in the world.

[night niche]

they’re going on hiatus

[polar owl]

Just interrupting the serious conversation - but the girls chose violence 😉

[ashen charm]

ador and dispatch are actively trying to ruin the njz brand the are so low

[polar owl]

But why are people gullible?

[heady gate]

This is why.

[night niche]

this is kpop fans were talking about, same people who let rumors spread so bad group members get kicked out of groups 🤷🏿‍♀️
media literacy has been on the low since 2024, as we can see with the political shift of the world, mix that with kpop and the hold HYBE has on the media, and this is what happens

[ashen charm]

there desperate they want new music from njz that they will cave for there own enjoyment they are so use to getting what they want

[polar owl]

I don't believe they are njz fans ..... love for their music cannot be more than the well-being of the artists themselves.

[old cypress]

some people would rather njz to be slaves as long as they get fed new music and new youtube variety shows it's sad

[night niche]

a lot of people who are in the kpop community view the artists as robots and not actual people

[heady gate]

I am an adult male and I have tears in my eye after I just found out NJZ are in hiatus.

[night niche]

that’s why the industry is the way it is, and no industries can succeed without a consumer

[heady gate]

I haven't log on here in days. I am late

[polar owl]

My tears have dried up

But technically they have been in hiatus in year 3

[ashen charm]

people that are casual fans really dont care about that stuff as much they live lifes they do there own thing and 9/10 they just use kpop as an escape from there current lives

[old cypress]

even non-casual fans, even on this server last year many were ignoring the hybe issue as long as they were getting content from newjeans

[heady gate]

I saw trolls pop up on this channel every week.

[old cypress]

they were in njzchat acting like everything was fine while newjeans were getting attacked by hybe

and mods kept locking this thread for stupid reasons instead of educating people

[ashen charm]

people would rather ignore conflict then do anything

[heady gate]

Basically, the court result is telling all the K-pop groups, don't terminate the contracts, just obey it.

[old cypress]

yeah I understand

[old cypress]

there's no court result yet, gotta wait for the main lawsuit

[polar owl]

That is true if the main lawsuit is lost by NJZ.

[heady gate]

NJZ and MHJ have many cases. I lost track

[old cypress]

the most important case is the contract termination one

[polar owl]

Injunction is temporary relief to Ador because 'oh they will be severely hurt'

[ashen charm]

i cant blame mhj to much

[old cypress]

injunction also blocks njz from earning money so they have to rely on their existing funds for the main lawsuit

though they should be still earning money from their newjeans activities (streams for example)

[polar owl]

Team bunnies can crowd fund if the need arises.

[ashen charm]

adors plan is to drag it aslong as they can to the point bunnies forget about them and they are old and not profitable

[old cypress]

I'll gladly help

[heady gate]

Let me log on to X and check out the drama.

[polar owl]

Time is essence. Every delay will force NJZ to compromise/ settle

[polar owl]

Don't 😅

[old cypress]

I hope njz wins the objection to the injunction somehow so they can perform as njz

[night niche]

i would advise not doing that 💀 it’s a hellhole

[ashen charm]

it will only be new songs i dont think they can sing old songs

[old cypress]

and brand endorsements, it's very important bc they can earn money and fund the legal fees and keep the lawsuit going

[wary creek]

it's funny that njz has new in it. If they win, they'd be revolutionizing k pop industry.

[frozen granite]

Anything new ??

[surreal raft]

nothing really except for armys still bragging about NJZ like always

I haven’t seen anything

did anyone see how people are thinking that haerin is leaving NJZ??

[subtle matrix]

People want another 5050

[surreal raft]

RIGHTT

the lengths they are going for is crazy just bc haerin wasn’t with her members eating or wearing a NJZ hat

[frozen granite]

you came back

[subtle matrix]

I have returned indeed

[frozen granite]

Am i the only one semi worried & semi not ?

[hoary frost]

Lmaoooooooo

wtf they are crazy

[hot girder]

meanwhile haerin is on her regular sleeping schedule

[subtle matrix]

I mean realistically

Even if they lose these girls will most likely all be super successful people

[hoary frost]

At this point I don't even know how I am feeling anymore

[surreal raft]

literally

[hot girder]

I'm chillinggg no need to stress for now

[cinder narwhal]

real only stress about things you can do something about

[subtle matrix]

Literally the worst thing that might happen to them is being forced to chill with their millions until 2029 and then release an album and do a tour and go from rich to mega rich

[frozen granite]

Tokkis in their hag era I guess

[cerulean lake]

worried but have to eventually grow out of it because the future is so unpredictable. trying to find some other interests if there are only negative developments in the future, which of course i hope does not happen and that it only gets better

[frozen granite]

I think this is just the natural ebbs & flows of any lawsuit tbh each side will go through hell it just happens that this year is our year .. last year was HYBE’s I’m sure we’ll get out of it

[cerulean lake]

smh just not a good start for the year 😪

[frozen granite]

Us when we finally get that NJZ album 😍

[hoary frost]

It's better to think that, whether they "lose" or not, they will still come back

[hoary frost]

https://tenor.com/view/old-boomer-history-84years-many-years-ago-gif-18534104

[frozen granite]

https://tenor.com/view/dance-gif-6862644792465857952

Us finally dancing to pitstop

[surreal raft]

THIS IS SCARY

[frosty echo]

GA GA GA GA GA GODS

[sly python]

the next court date hearing is April 4th right?

[kindred estuary]

https://x.com/NewJeansSTRM/status/1904688646852403462

팀 버니즈 (@NewJeansSTRM) on X

- 举报页面的“平台选择”类别中已新增“微博（WeiBo）”选项。
- The "Platform Selection" category on the report page has been updated to include the "reddit" option.

https://t.co/AJOlyrF1hS

X · Mar 26, 2025, 12:15 AM

[jolly junco]

april 3rd

[sly python]

thanks, i'll go back into my cave till next week then

[cinder narwhal]

https://x.com/imiofari/status/1904538010416202025

isa 🫧 NJZ!! (@imiofari) on X

oh god pls send me strength

X · Mar 25, 2025, 2:17 PM

[tardy smelt]

bootlickers

[red thorn]

That 1 thumb up is me bc I like their silly joke

[hoary frost]

[heady gate]

I copied from this sub

[jolly junco]

*x https://x.com/CakeDegg/status/1904523378305692125

[harsh dove]

@CakeDegg <t:1742908732:d>

[jolly junco]

is this real?

[heady gate]

It looks real to me

[copper current]

what is the timeline for the opposition?

[jolly junco]

LMAO wont they get charged with damaging a property?

[frozen granite]

That glass does not have enough “free njz” papers for my liking

[kindred estuary]

https://x.com/NewJeansSTRM/status/1904710511549440145

팀 버니즈 (@NewJeansSTRM) on X

✅

X · Mar 26, 2025, 1:42 AM

another date to add

https://x.com/haerinthequeenn/status/1904710450924695966

NJZ Enthusiast (@haerinthequeenn) on X

Objection date NJZ vs Ador April 9th

X · Mar 26, 2025, 1:42 AM

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/haerinthequeenn/status/1904710450924695966

[narrow seal]

250326 NJZ Enthusiast (@​haerinthequeenn) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/haerinthequeenn/status/1904710450924695966
Objection date NJZ vs Ador April 9th

[copper current]

we have a date 🙏

[fleet nebula]

nice, so we lock thread til 9th? so people can stop doomposting

[lucid yarrow]

but they going doom post in regular chat

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/haerinthequeenn/status/1904713807634546740

[narrow seal]

250326 NJZ Enthusiast (@​haerinthequeenn) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/haerinthequeenn/status/1904713807634546740
It’s important to note the appeal is their highest chance of overturning this injunction but the respected way in law is to file an objection before an appeal not instantly the appeal later if the objection fails will be a higher court and new judge which is crucial

[stable escarp]

How the heck does that work out because dont they have a trial on the 3rd?

[copper current]

pray everyone, and anyone who do any magic to help NJZ win, do it 🙏

we have capable bunnies right, do your magic and power whatever to help NJZ

like guide them to the right path, pick the right words make the judge awake

[potent lichen]

So the date was moved?

[steel depot]

I will do everything I can. I will whisper to my charms again; it has been a long time since I last did this. The first time I used them, it worked when my parents were about to get sued, but thankfully that didn’t happen. The charms must have guided them. Right now, we should have faith in what we believe and pray to whoever we can to help our girls

[stable escarp]

Might need to turn to witchcraft if none of this works.

[frozen granite]

I’m calling my shaman

[jolly junco]

no the court hearing for april 3rd is still happening

[surreal raft]

What’s going on now..

[surreal raft]

What is this

[frozen granite]

It’s for the objection re injunction

[surreal raft]

oh

so that means?? I’m not into law I have no idea what all this court stuff means

[frozen granite]

it’s just to object the judge’s decision to halt njz’s activities. If it goes through I’m assuming they can resume

[rain spade]

Ador will then object the court decision again hahahah going in circles

[frozen granite]

Then njz will do the same

[stable escarp]

Wouldnt the injunction fall through if NJZ wins the trial?

[old cypress]

the trial will take months if not years

[stable escarp]

Pray i can live to see the day they win

[old cypress]

but yes the injunction is useless if njz wins the trial before

[polar owl]

Injunction ruling will be quicker, measured in weeks. Main lawsuit will be months.

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/PoppyKPoppie/status/1904736204354183334

[narrow seal]

250326 PoppyKPoppie (@​PoppyKPoppie) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/PoppyKPoppie/status/1904736204354183334
from now until the first hearing on april 3rd and the objection hearing on april 9th, expect an influx - well, a storm of media play. it's going to be more rampant, more hurtful, more ridiculous and those bots will be all over. gather as much evidence as you could and report.

[copper current]

my question is how many times NJZ can file objection or appeal? Is it unlimited?

[rain spade]

I think u can appeal but is up to the judge whether to reject or accept the appeal/object

[old cypress]

is there anyone documenting all the events related to mhj/njz since inception? With all the articles and facts and evidence

I had to bookmark more and more stuff because it's increasingly difficult to find relevant articles in the sea of noise

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/MinotaurKard/status/1904747290260382173

[narrow seal]

250326 Mino (@​MinotaurKard) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/MinotaurKard/status/1904747290260382173
🚨🚨 UPDATE ON THIS. Please share! 🚨🚨

1. FAKE TRUCK PROTEST INCOMING

We have screenshots of antis donating funds to send trucks. They will be sending this truck acting as if it came from the majority of BNZ.

The organizer of this plan has been identified and is NOT a BNZ.

[steel depot]

did the truck company owner recognized them as anti? how low can these antis go it's disgusting...

[copper current]

we have a lot of documents but no website with organized sources or links, some bunnies need to do that, like creating a website with all organized documents, timestamps, the websote will be the orientation for new bunnies. Like before knowing NJZ, you need to learn about history blah blah blah

[old cypress]

ktokkis just need to go to hybe and block the truck with bigger banners

[copper current]

yeah

Ktokki can say real NJZ fans root for NJZ, stop the fakeness, fake NJZ fans

[stable escarp]

Using money to hate is a disgrace to being human

[old cypress]

yeah there's no archive, i think the fandom really need to be able to fight misinformation quickly

[frozen granite]

& a waste of money too lol

[cinder narwhal]

good point..

[copper current]

we need to be organized, a lot of info but no organized website, juantokki post a lot of info

I think if we have an organized place, we can send all the tokkis with no knowledge there so they can educate themselves by reading the info like a FAQ page for new tokkis

I wonder who can do that, collect and organize

[old cypress]

I'll see if I can come up with something good

[copper current]

April 3 is in next week, and April 9 is in the week after that

[old cypress]

https://x.com/PoppyKPoppie/status/1904766137986146818

PoppyKPoppie (@PoppyKPoppie) on X

Team Bunnies Statement: 03.26.2025
(EN translation)

X · Mar 26, 2025, 5:23 AM

there are 3 pages. A good summary of the injunction

[red thorn]

Hybe gonna astroturfing Team bunnies
Well, seemed already did since their prev statement

[frozen granite]

I wonder why are tokkis switching on Njz is it bc they are numb to everything or is the mediaplay getting to them?

This dude … https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT2WGsENA/

[split bramble]

some of them setup accs, some of them are kids who dont follow the situation enough to know whats going on, and a lot of bots, a lot a lot

[wary creek]

maybe since njz have a lot of haters, it's hard to post positive njz stuff on social media

[orchid field]

this guy isnt a tokki he is nowhere near properly informed. a lot of tiktokers are just talking about the situation to get views

[frozen granite]

Yeah … the downside is that this just helps spread misinformation. sigh I want this to be over soon … next week guys will be a hell of a week

[split shoal]

ikk, imm not ready for hell with the main lawsuit

[mild mist]

Remember to use impulse tracker and block reddit

[stiff prairie]

what's good today folks

[jolly junco]

according to team bunnies, we will have result of the objection around late May or early june

[split shoal]

for the main lawsuit, right?? or that’s for the injunction??

[jolly junco]

for the injuction

[polar owl]

Not good signs of how long the main lawsuit is going to take, if injunction objection takes months.

[jolly junco]

as long as they can continue to be NJZ until the main lawsuit done, i dont care

[polar owl]

True

This will keep them relevant and advertisers and other labels interested

[stiff prairie]

2 months of agony. damn it

[split shoal]

doesn’t a main lawsuit take years or so for the results to come out?? so definitely we won’t see any njz activities from the members for a while

[jolly junco]

bruh if the court granted NJZ objection, they can continue as NJZ

[stiff prairie]

i just want them to be able to use their insta till main lawsuit. i don't ask for much

[split shoal]

yea hopefully they can use insta without any legal issues

[stiff prairie]

ig court sees this as them promoting a different group than newjeans if the cont to use insta

[ashen charm]

we are officially at war

[stiff prairie]

w who?

[ashen charm]

antis and ador its a civil war

[short laurel]

Me getting reddit notification calling mhj terrible for trash talking behind b's back, meanwhile hybe that harrassing everyone is an angel 💀

[ashen charm]

https://tenor.com/view/stuckthelanding-threat-spiderman-civilwar-avengers-gif-20603368

[stiff prairie]

the war has been on for like half a year tho since mhj got popped

[split shoal]

i’m also at war with these company stans and haters, been at war on tiktok and youtube everytime i tried to them facts, they literally harassed me 🤭

[ashen charm]

well she got thanos

[craggy skiff]

hasn't it been going on for the past year?

[stiff prairie]

how are u still subbed to those subreddits. i only go there if my spirits are up and wanna ruin my mood for no reason

[ashen charm]

that was speculation now that the lawsuit will actually happen its war

[red thorn]

Now "bunnies" entered the game

[ashen charm]

endgame

[jolly junco]

didnt take you for a masochist cake.........

[short laurel]

i m not subbed to them. reddit gives notifications on subreddits even if u only visited them once. and i visited kpop subreddit alot even be4 the drama

[vocal sable]

LMAOO not people saying haerin left njz because she didnt go out for breakfast with the girls in a new photo

[short laurel]

kitty was just sleeping probably

[red thorn]

Ador want bunnies civil war

[vocal sable]

haerin dgaf

[ashen charm]

https://tenor.com/view/newjeans-newjeans-dance-haerin-haerin-dance-haerin-cute-gif-12663348437911620611

[jolly junco]

minji and hanni had to dragged haerin out of her hotel room for breakfast last year

[hollow sorrel]

Team Bunnies statement is giving me a lot of hope ngl

it looks very promising

[stiff prairie]

the amount of pain i'm going thru i'd at least enjoy being like this if i were one

[craggy skiff]

they said about hyein look sad and maybe forced to leave ador by other member a day before too

[vocal sable]

like are these people new here… can hyein not look sad anymore i mean OBVIOUSLY shes going to be upset given everything thats happened

[stiff prairie]

ohh. i don't use the official reddit app so i get no notifications

[stiff prairie]

tbh i found it pretty basic what to do now process but yeah i'm taking hopes from any little thing i can now

[ashen charm]

this day last year ador and newjeans announed comeback and this day they announced lawsuit

[stiff prairie]

[frozen granite]

Maybe the comeback is a lawsuit concept?

[hollow sorrel]

“After consulting with multiple attorneys, Team Bunnies believes that the appeal process could lead to a different outcome. This is because the Supreme Court precedent on exclusive contracts—emphasizing the “high level of trust” required—was not adequately considered in the initial ruling. If the appeal court thoroughly examines the case with this precedent in mind, it will recognize that forcing the members to continue exclusive activities in a broken trust relationship severely violates their personal rights and renders the contract’s purpose unachievable.”

this part thoughhhh

[stiff prairie]

ohh i didn't read the whole thing. only the twt ss from above in this chat. maybe just maybe

then again lots of kr lawyers said the injunction wouldn't be approved on the first place so

[steel depot]

[stiff prairie]

everytime they go to court they release new music and record an mv in front of court. get that

[fast snow]

If I were in a bg I would constantly cause people to believe that I left cause I am not waking up for breakfast I am barely a functioning human being in the morning 😭

[stiff prairie]

fans would say you're not a team player or u don't like your members enough and don't wanna hang w them unless it's necessary. i'm just glad bunnies accepted haerin's introvertedness and doesn't mind her being off the grid

[fast snow]

True and True introverts can’t help their behavior and accepting that is hard for certain individuals but I‘m glad everyone here is understanding

[upbeat stream]

You can turn that off in settings, my home feed only contains subreddits I follow

[short laurel]

nice. ty

[cinder narwhal]

it's most likely viewed in a bias perspective but that team bunnies FAQ is really useful

who's read the actual court decision document? is it accurate?

https://www.billboard.com/pro/newjeans-njz-legal-hybe-cost-company/?taid=67e31fa0bcc414000187dc75

does anyone have this in full? it's paid lol

[gentle badger]

*x https://x.com/dittoshooter/status/1904708577320985043?t=kPuKMeMjHBgrQJUiIqNnEg&s=19

[harsh dove]

@dittoshooter <t:1742952887:d>

[cinder narwhal]

ty

ah some parts are missing

[red thorn]

For paywall article like this, AdBlock or stop the reload before fully reload

[gentle badger]

Ah sorry, it's the only one I found that shared it

[cinder narwhal]

the only missing part from 3rd pic

[cinder narwhal]

no worries, i appreciate it ty

[short laurel]

the fact that hybe investment already paid in full but everyone miss this part

[stiff prairie]

i think i'm seeing the whole thing tho? is there anything more after this part?

[cinder narwhal]

mine was paywalled

[stiff prairie]

woah idk why they showed me the full thing. i must be special innit

[winged folio]

Spelled Minji's name wrong, got Hyein's age wrong 💀

[weak relic]

if njz won in the court on 3 April, it means they will be free right

[stiff prairie]

temporarily cause pretty sure ador would appeal again on that

[weak relic]

ohh

[stiff prairie]

but it would restore my faith on humanity again. that should count for something

[upbeat stream]

April 3rd is only the 1st hearing, it'll take a long time to actually get the ruling

[weak relic]

yea it's gonna be a long battle

[upbeat stream]

Don't expect anything from the objection either, the only small glimmer of hope I have is for the high court appeal

[cinder narwhal]

i dont expecting nor hope for anything after what happened with the injunction. whatever happens happens

[copper jetty]

Good morning guys. Is there anything new?

I saw bunnies strm statement is there a tldr?

[orchid field]

https://youtu.be/FAbMP0m57tM?si=Q4LNifquFK-xhoIe

[stiff prairie]

hope some ppl changed their mind about haerin and hyein not wanting to do this(if they were genuine on the first place)

also no tl for minji and hyein

[copper jetty]

I don't even know why they thought that in the first place. They've been pretty vocal too about hybe it's just that they did it at the start... 💀

I don't think that'll change.

[stiff prairie]

i think that specific narrative started with tiktok and yeah they're probably the least informed bunch out there. this interview might not even go on their radar tbh

[upbeat stream]

That's what I don't understand, how is Minji any more vocal than Haerin or Hyein? Why do they not talk about her then? Keena was the oldest member of 5050, so Minji would fit the mould better lol

[stiff prairie]

they have a hate list i think. hanni on top, then dani cause she thanked mhj multiple times, then minji cause wears mhj t shirt etc then the other two

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/CakeDegg/status/1904769396834546174

[narrow seal]

250326 Cake🍀 (@​CakeDegg) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/CakeDegg/status/1904769396834546174
Team bunnies clarifies that it does not support fans who prioritize their personal emotions over the members' human rights and choices
Those who disagree with this stance are not true BUNNIES 🙏

[stiff prairie]

come to think of it haerin got hate one time cause she wore takashi's gifted t shirt that had mhj on it so idk tbh

[red thorn]

Fair article, asked counter argument from opposition before publish

[stiff prairie]

cnn asked them too when they announced njz for the first time. they didn't respond that time

[red thorn]

Now most kr article just from not asking rebuttal to publish and mention they gonna asking rebuttal later

[cinder narwhal]

what word does google keep translating as reader, as in "Why won't New Jeans return to ADOR despite 'ban on reader activities'?"

ik it's entertainment but why reader lol

[stiff prairie]

anyways the interview and article didn't make me as sad as i thought it would. maybe cause i'm already in that state of mind it's not effecting that much. but hearing from themselves not being able to work is the biggest fear for them stings ngl

[cinder narwhal]

now read the nyt article

[rain spade]

Whatever you do also ppl hate on you, my as well just do whatever you want, seriously. Living in such stupid world rn literally insane

[copper jetty]

What's the context to this??

[stiff prairie]

is it more sad than this one? i'd rather not

[cinder narwhal]

*x https://x.com/stardustminji/status/1904315433315950990

[harsh dove]

@stardustminji <t:1742859154:d>

[cinder narwhal]

i think i keep confusing you and vous

[tardy smelt]

nah, the recent article was sadder hearing what they've felt about the situation over the past year

[stiff prairie]

i read this part and it was enough for me to stay away no thanks

[stiff prairie]

yeah but nyt made a tearjerker out of their article. at least the part zyx sent

[tardy smelt]

that's the only sad bit from it

[red thorn]

Bunnies that do the campaign to push girls to talk to ador, those fake bunnies want the girls to stay

[stiff prairie]

ohh i already saw the worst bit?

[tardy smelt]

yeah, the rest is just a recount of the experience

[cinder narwhal]

oh the article was quite short, is there more to the yt interview?

[mild mist]

There's a pinned comment with the original document and a translation

The judge's reasoning seems sound.

[tardy smelt]

anyway, Hyein describing every day over the past year feeling like being filmed in a documentary. i can't even imagine that pressure especially as a teenager. take away her pain man.

[copper jetty]

Fortunately I don't think i see that on my tl although they might be speaking korean and I'm just scrolling up since I dont understand.

I've seen a lot of korean comments on my fyp on x but I don't mind them.

[flint torrent]

can someone give me context

[copper jetty]

Also i didn't know there were bunnies who sided with Ador and tried to trend that hashtag...

Idk if they really are bunnies then since this started since April last year... by now most of us has picked a side and if they didn't go with the girls then they should've left the fandom even before this. 💀

[flint torrent]

these toxic bunnies are making the situation more complicated than it needs to be

[copper jetty]

Which toxic bunnies???

[flint torrent]

mb hybe stans TT

[cinder narwhal]

yo does bbc have the full practice vid??? release it pls

[stiff prairie]

that's what i was thinking. they got footage!!

[tardy smelt]

biggest takeaway

[copper jetty]

Is the audio good?? I'm still hoping they release pit stop studio version..

[flint torrent]

just because njz situation is common in kpop, doesn't give hybe and ador the right to do it. i think njz was very brave and should be applauded but hybe stans are struggling to understand some simple sentences.

[red thorn]

Sure, for NewJeans documentary

[tardy smelt]

also, side note, song's name is confirmed Pit Stop in that article

[stiff prairie]

forgot NYT article is paywalled and wayback machine just let's me read upto this bit

[storm warren]

njz sub has link for full article without paywall

[stable escarp]

Pit Stop is such an amazing name for their song. Pit stops in F1 always get better each time and that can be attributed to NJZ's journey throughout the whole ordeal. Wow

[storm warren]

or use archive.is i think that works

[copper jetty]

Yeah I just had this conversation with my army friend too... she said most of the army were comparing what everglow went through and what njz was saying... she said it was basically a nothing burger...
I stopped the conversation cause I'm about to get heated plus having a bad day too

[mild mist]

Try archive.is

12ft.io used to be great but I find it working with fewer and fewer sites

[copper jetty]

Anyways my break is up... I'll see you guys later and I hope it's a peaceful day for most of us

[stable escarp]

I wouldve started throwing hands

[copper jetty]

I couldn't... we were at work. 💀

[stiff prairie]

archive.is worked thanks. couldn't find the post on njz sub

[tardy smelt]

"The members introduced it as 'a song that contains the emotions and experiences they have experienced over the past year.'"

perfect in every way

[mild mist]

This is called the 'fallacy of relative privation'
Oh, NewJeans didn't have it as bad as everglow, they should shut up
Oh, everglow didn't have it as bad as madein, they should shut up
Madein didn't have it as bad as Hara...
Hara was better off than the people of Syria...

[unborn arrow]

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cdxq309kexeo

[stable escarp]

Yeah it was great but sad read

[unborn arrow]

I CANT WATCH THIS

[cinder narwhal]

tf do we have a court ruling reaction vid

[stiff prairie]

bro this one is even more gut wrenching

[stiff prairie]

aight time to blast slipknot for an hour and distract myself. see u on the other side guys

[rain spade]

you know what she said after this, if this doesn't work out for us, we'll let time figured out for us..

[cinder narwhal]

did they do a thing with time magazine? does anyone have a link?

[stiff prairie]

btw don't forget to leave some positive comments under the yt vid. i almost never comment on yt but now is the only time to do so for ppl like us

[rain spade]

not time magazine, the paragragh after that lo

[dusk pine]

will be a second part cuz i feel like it ended in a open way idk

[stiff prairie]

are u talking about this one?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Rq4c4IEurE

[tardy smelt]

the logical part of me is dooming, please let this shit work out for them

[cinder narwhal]

ty

[stable escarp]

Istg if they start doom posting

[stiff prairie]

goddamn i took a lot at those comments and yeah worse than i thought

[cinder narwhal]

huh are they pro-ador

[stiff prairie]

some ppl just wanna be on the winning side ig

anyways time to deflect and destress for a few hours. take care everyone

[cinder narwhal]

why do they keep showing kiof in this time vid

[knotty valve]

Damn some loser army in those comments on that video lol just absolutely brigading them so people get confused. Pathetic but that’s typical of them.

[storm warren]

stock video under newjeans has kiof video tagged

so they keep using their footage

[jolly junco]

that new bbc interview, are we cooked? i havent watch it

[stable escarp]

ive already said my goodbyes to my friends

[jolly junco]

is it safe to watch? i'm scared

[stable escarp]

https://media.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExYWVlbjJhczMxZzNlZWJ5N3JxaWV6Zm1wZ3Z1MHMxdXRsOHpmYzN6YiZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/guyd0SkdTiG9Kk81Dv/giphy.gif

[tardy smelt]

we're definitely on the frying pan

[tardy smelt]

depends on your mood

[cinder narwhal]

it's fine nothing much

[craggy skiff]

i think hanni's statement in the first part is quite easy to be misinterpretation.
"hanni shows regret and wants come back to ador"

[subtle matrix]

Honestly this is a bit confusing to me. I have to wonder if the people (lawyers, etc.) who are advising them are doing their job properly

[cinder narwhal]

them being dazed is confusing to you?

[craggy skiff]

What do you mean? seojong not do their work well?

[jade jolt]

~t
https://x.com/BNZ_info/status/1904833324809675209

[narrow seal]

250326 BNZ Info (@​BNZ_info) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/BNZ_info/status/1904833324809675209
When asked by the BBC if they had confirmed the text message's content with Hanni, ADOR provided no response

[subtle matrix]

Minji describing herself as "stunned" by the result of the injunction is confusing to me. This was a very likely scenario and this makes it seem (to me at least) that their legal team did not adequately prepare them for it

[hearty stone]

i think its still more of an image to give to the public more than anything
they have to show that they 100% believe they can win

[warm hedge]

I was stunned as well…to me the courts decision makes no sense

[jolly junco]

ditto...

[red thorn]

Corrected

[fast lotus]

Guys https://x.com/bbcworld/status/1904823906789171236?s=46

[hoary frost]

hey what happened

[upbeat stream]

The court ruling was surprising because it failed to consider the weightage of harm or the breakdown of trust. Even the most pro-hybe lawyer, Kho Sang-rok initially thought the injunction will get dismissed. After the hearing too, he wasn't certain. No legal analysis was confidently predicting ador's win

The Fact (which is neutral) published an article a few days before the ruling, which said that it's gonna be difficult to grant the injunction since it may hinge on proving tampering, which is notoriously difficult to do

[fierce cloak]

i do think they are both a bit overconfident (like statement 100% they will win) but same time they understand it's to keep their own belief & fans to stay strong despite of uncertainty (they don't know what unfold but willing to take the risk) - which surely can lead to disappointment when it's not smoothly as they want to, but what important is to keep conviction strong and do anything to make sure they will win => basically a type of self fulfilling prophecy => must belief first, then take the action, then the outcome will follow

Btw im a bit confused about the objection/ appeal of the injunction? So they will try to bring it to another judge to increase the chance of changing decision?

[upbeat stream]

No, objection goes to the same judge. It's a necessary procedure before they can move to the appeal

[fierce cloak]

i don't quite understand the objection vs appeal part? What's the difference? Why it need to proceed differently?

[upbeat stream]

The one who files an injunction request can directly appeal if they lose, but the other party must first raise an objection. Appeal goes to the high court, while objection will be judged by the same guy who issued the provisional ruling

[vital orbit]

how long for an approved appeal so we can get pit stop on spotify

[jolly junco]

late may or early june, team bunnies said

[upbeat stream]

I would say late june or early july, although team bunnies think it could be much sooner

[fierce cloak]

so an appeal is to ask higher court to review the decision of lower court right?

[upbeat stream]

Yeah

[vital orbit]

so like bubblegum/HS release :D

[hearty stone]

Conviction aside i think its like MHJ did when she was going to court and i don't know anything about law and such but im sure theres something of showing you are believeing that you are right to show the judge that you may be lying or idk

[red thorn]

Have you read TeamBunnies statement? They provide FAQ regarding current situation

[fierce cloak]

i did but i wasn't fully understand it

[upbeat stream]

5/9 Loona members won on appeal, although theirs was an obvious breach of contract by the label. Perhaps Loona hadn't had time to collect the required evidence during district court case. Hopefully Sejong is able to get something out of the pro-hybe media proving that they were behind all the mediaplay, that might be enough for breach of trust. Bribe them if necessary

[subtle matrix]

I feel like there is an information gap here because I distinctly remember seeing multiple articles predicting the injunction would be granted and I just did a quick google search which confirmed it

[upbeat stream]

Legal newspapers? How many of them were from pro-hybe media? How many cited named lawyers? I read lawtimes which was not certain. And while The Fact is not a legal paper, the article I mentioned cited actual lawyers, instead of anonymous sources.

[dusk pine]

tbh there's plenty of reason why the judges could be biased towards someone and bribery is just one of them

[orchid field]

FREE NJZ

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/breadjeanz_/status/1904828888158511566

[upbeat stream]

I was talking about bribing the media into giving them more info, although that's unlikely. They are all paid so well by hybe, I'm pretty sure

[narrow seal]

250326 lyv🍀🏎️🏁 (@​breadjeanz_) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/breadjeanz_/status/1904828888158511566
Hanni: "If we had remained silent, only the stories spread by Hybe and media reports would have been accepted as facts." adding "We could not allow the core of the issue to be blurred and our words to be distorted"

thats why they are the bravest girls

[orchid field]

The last part of the disclaimer is based as fuck

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/catzkang/status/1904820664252686683

[narrow seal]

250326 반희수🫧 (@​catzkang) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/catzkang/status/1904820664252686683
Hyein : “Certain people might assume we’re highly famous and capable of doing anything we please or saying whatever we wish. I’m sure there are many who view us in that light. After holding back and tolerating so much, we’ve only just begun to voice the unfairness we’ve faced.

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/juantokki/status/1904834654764753216

[narrow seal]

250326 1tokki (@​juantokki) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/juantokki/status/1904834654764753216
📢 Bunnies! Please head over to YouTube, watch the video, leave a like, and write encouraging comments. Your kind words and support make a real difference. Let’s keep lifting them up in every way we can. Our love adds to their strength. 🩵🙏

➡️https://youtu.be/FAbMP0m57tM?si=kUQCf91VSIj0HV8H

[cinder narwhal]

rip the biggest dani update account

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/catzkang/status/1904828212649005446

[narrow seal]

250326 반희수🫧 (@​catzkang) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/catzkang/status/1904828212649005446
Minji : “Each time we need to make our voices heard, our story gets picked up by lots of outlets. It was scary, and it’s something that makes me think a lot about my future life as well.”

#NJZ @NJZ_official

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/njz_pham/status/1904838084698804423

[narrow seal]

250326 ditto akgae (@​njz_pham) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/njz_pham/status/1904838084698804423
That fucktard Fraudor really protected BETHIEF Lab over Hanni's concerns and gaslighted the public with fabricated KKT "evidence", when it's not even your text messages to begin with, and purportedly submitted incorrect CCTV footages far from her under-oath testimony in National

[dusk pine]

Do you know Hybe owns TAG PR? basically the main purpose of it is leading smear campaigns with a lot appeal on misogyny— the previous victims from were all women just like NJZ

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/aarrttee01/status/1904836485662007504

[narrow seal]

250326 .🩵 (@​aarrttee01) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/aarrttee01/status/1904836485662007504
🚨3/26BBC KOREA “ADOR didn’t respond to the BBC’s question about whether there was a process of verifying the facts of the text message with Hanni.”
🚨In February2025,Ador didn’t respond to CNN’s request for comment on the dispute
https://www.bbc.com/korean/articles/cn04pnn42g8o
🔗https://x.com/juantokki/status/1887673044531098069?s=46

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/catzkang/status/1904834279995228612

[narrow seal]

250326 반희수🫧 (@​catzkang) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/catzkang/status/1904834279995228612
Danielle : “To be honest, my initial instinct was to keep everything under wraps. I pushed down my intense feelings and tried to pour my energy into practice, turning a blind eye to the circumstances so I could perform for the fans who were eagerly waiting. In hindsight, that

[dusk pine]

there's some detailed threads about it but i like this one cuz it is recent and also show how Hybe is a disgusting company https://x.com/yslhaerin/status/1904565807385841823?t=gUTSyUCgBbdki4Lsj3CTpg&s=19

[upbeat stream]

Yeah of course, we and the girls are fighting an asymmetric war

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/catzkang/status/1904830077415940125

[narrow seal]

250326 반희수🫧 (@​catzkang) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/catzkang/status/1904830077415940125
Danielle : “The company failed to protect us. I didn’t begin this battle for pity. My only goal was to carry out the work I’m passionate about. Falsehoods and misconceptions constantly obstruct me."

https://www.bbc.com/korean/articles/cn04pnn42g8o

[cinder narwhal]

err spam

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/phamhannibread/status/1904834954338652295

[narrow seal]

250326 하니🍞pham (@​phamhannibread) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/phamhannibread/status/1904834954338652295
Hanni you’re the strongest 🥺😭

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/haerinthequeenn/status/1904776804331638922

[narrow seal]

250326 NJZ Enthusiast (@​haerinthequeenn) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/haerinthequeenn/status/1904776804331638922
From Team Bunnies statement don’t look forward to the objection ruling it may be useless and rejected instantly without a thought the key is the appeal afterwards

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/haerinthequeenn/status/1904776804331638922

[narrow seal]

250326 NJZ Enthusiast (@​haerinthequeenn) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/haerinthequeenn/status/1904776804331638922
From Team Bunnies statement don’t look forward to the objection ruling it may be useless and rejected instantly without a thought the key is the appeal afterwards

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/catzkang/status/1904836810938732964

[narrow seal]

250326 반희수🫧 (@​catzkang) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/catzkang/status/1904836810938732964
NJZ : “Not every choice we made was perfect. We don’t have all the answers of every challenge. What’s important is that we did our utmost to arrive at the best decisions in each instance."

https://www.bbc.com/korean/articles/cn04pnn42g8o

[cinder narwhal]

stop spamming bro

people can read the article

[orchid field]

Seriously

[copper current]

Just think some may not see the points

[vale grove]

Feeling strange today after the interview

[upbeat stream]

I've avoided the interview for now, don't have the heart for it. This is all so painful

[copper current]

The girls are brave, they try every way to convey their feelings to fans and people. They need our help to fight the anti so do the best you can but in the limit that is allowed and make you comfortable

[fierce cloak]

remember this is a legal battle but also psychological battle as well - njz and bnz must unite and stand strong despite all the doubt and storms

[onyx hearth]

Omg I hate Kpop Stan’s sometimes☠️

[subtle matrix]

Only sometimes?

[fierce cloak]

Yes it's better to take the risk for freedom rather than being surpressed

[onyx hearth]

They were hating on newjeans new song saying that they need hybe back DIDNT THEY LIKE MISTREAT THEM HELLO😭 yall only care about music and not their well being proving that all they do is feed into media and are toxic asf

[copper current]

The new song actually sounds really good

I love fast song

[onyx hearth]

Me personally I’m not a big fan of the song but if they are free and happy let them be newjeans can never catch a break😭

[jolly junco]

say whaaat????

[subtle matrix]

I have not been into kpop for as long as most people here most likely but the fan culture in kpop is the most toxic garbage I have ever seen. The time people dedicate to hating on other groups is insane. And everyone is so defensive about any tiny criticism that just pointing out something about a group at the wrong time is enough to get labeled as an anti

[fierce cloak]

funny that in most cases, when artist/ group don't active, people will eventually forget about them and move on, fans only stick around when there is something reinforce their emotions, which can be member solo activities - but for njz it's the on going lawsuit, media smearing and attack from haters that actually reinforce how relevant the group is, so as long as the fans are loyal to njz by the time the group can active again they will be fine

[vale grove]

I feel like people who aren’t liking the new song are forgetting newjeans a whole concept is trying something that goes against the trend even if it means breaking the trends they set. I love the rap portion of the song

[dusk pine]

lol this is serious tho, a lot of people from our fandom are already starting acknowledging it. Of course such a company like Hybe could manipulated public and media due to their influence, but seeing how these attacks on NJZ always seems to be too organized and effective— just don't make sense how a such incompetent company like Hybe would do that alone— it's pretty obvious the reason why they adquired TAG PR concidencily on the exactly same year this whole feud of NJZ/MHJ against Hybe started

[vital orbit]

[vale grove]

But obi you’re entitled to how you feel and taste is subjective

[fierce cloak]

oh yeah i have been in kpop for very long and can confirm large amount of kpop fans are most stupid and hateful

[onyx hearth]

No right the same person had a whole page hating on MULTIPLE Kpop groups bro atp it had to be ragebiat cuz what☠️…how do u spend ur time and energy for that

[vital orbit]

i feel like the only sane fans are usually in the fan discord servers of that group

[fierce cloak]

they are desperate for attention because they dont have love

[fierce cloak]

depends, sometimes groupchat/ discord can have a bunch of insane people

[subtle matrix]

fanwars are especially stupid when most of these artists know each other and many of them are friends irl. The funniest example is jungkook vs jimin stans fighting while jungkook and jimin are spending weekends away together doing vlogs lol

Their fans fighting while they give each other back rubs

[vital orbit]

talking specifically about thinfs like njzcord aespacord h2hcord, kiiikiiicord etc

the mods wont allow any BS in there

[copper current]

This is such a shame for the kpop industry. Siding with businessmen rather than siding with young artists whose careers are on the line. Shame on kpop industry, shame on south korea!! You do not deserve your artists.

[onyx hearth]

RIGHT😭

[copper current]

Some people forget NJZ are human beings. The amount of stress, uncertainty, regret, conviction, courage, fear, and resolve they’ve probably had to experience and continue to experience with added media attention…they are truly so strong but they shouldn’t have to be

[fast lotus]

At the end of the day i hope both teams are ok. https://x.com/hannihourly/status/1904831299874934813?s=46

[vital orbit]

are we fucking serious?
theyre comparing a war to kpop???
please be fucking logical

[raven kelp]

but the og team behind their previous releases are not with ADOR, are they?

[short laurel]

"war is MHJ's fault" (:

[storm warren]

world can multitask

everyone is dedicated to fulfilling different jobs, someone exists to shed lights on wars and societal issues, someone sheds light on kpop's flawed system

[vale grove]

Sigh. Do we know when the next part of the legal battle is?

[short laurel]

3rd

[vital orbit]

i think r/kpop uncensored is js an excuse to be an asshole

[storm warren]

they act like the world has one person doing everything. grow tf up. every single issue matters. its not olympics

[vital orbit]

wb the last?

[short laurel]

?

[vale grove]

And is this for the attempt at contract termination or what will be discussed

[short laurel]

3rd april = 1st hearing of the contract validity lawsuit

[vale grove]

I’m still kind of lost on the timeline of events tbh

[vital orbit]

whats the last day for legal stuff whether its mhj/njz

[short laurel]

god knows. these battle can end in 1 day or last for years.

[vital orbit]

yea but didnt we have a list of dates for mhjs legal troubles

[short laurel]

those are next hearing dates. not last date.

[subtle matrix]

With lawsuits and appeals and what not this whole thing won't be fully resolved for at least a couple of years

Doesn't mean nothing will be resolved for a couple of years

[short laurel]

unless an insider releases something from hybe showing they wanted to scrap nj

[vital orbit]

insider FIGHTING

[subtle matrix]

I don't think that will happen because I don't think that is true. And I don't think there's any reason to believe it is true

[short laurel]

we literally have hybe ceo saying he wants to pull down newjeans. all we needis to prove that ador is hybe's puppet.

[subtle matrix]

You have someone saying the hybe ceo said that

[short laurel]

@half knot @jolly junco what was the original source of it?

[upbeat stream]

If only we could get proof that ador leaked Hanni's visa info. We all know they did it, but the court needs proof. Because that's one thing that can't have a reasonable explanation, for all other points njz made, ador could wiggle out, give excuses, say they tried, etc. But what are they gonna say if it's revealed they themselves maliciously shared her confidential info to the media? Please Sejong, work out some magic

[raven kelp]

didn't the internal report also have something along the lines?

[short laurel]

ador wiggle out with excuses as baron said.

[subtle matrix]

You could make a very compeling argument hybe was interested in capping newjeans' sucess and investing more in their other groups and I would most likely believe it. But thinking hybe wanted to destroy newjeans is... naive at best. Newjeans was their biggest active money maker

[short laurel]

dude. did u even watch the stuff that happened sicne last year april

[subtle matrix]

Yes I have

[cinder narwhal]

listening to their most recent interviews, i hope the korean members speak up more. no hate to hanni and dani ofc

[short laurel]

even we al lare confused as why hybe started all this. it doesn't make sense but so much mediaplay against mhj and girls.

[vale grove]

It’s retaliation, I think to save face they definitely would have actively sabotaged them

[red thorn]

I think analyze from business logic alone is naive too
Because in reality so much variables we don't actually know

[upbeat stream]

Ador was supposed to protect newjeans but instead launched a malicious pr campaign against Hanni. I'm sure even the biased korean justice system would see that as breach of trust, but as I said, we need proof

[subtle matrix]

There is a very simple explanation to all of this if you open yourself to the possibility that MHJ and NJZ aren't completely innocent in this

And "not completely innocent" does not mean they are not justified in their actions or feelings

[short laurel]

ok so if u say it like that. when it all started, there was tons and tons of media attack against MHJ blaming her for everything that happened in hybe. she had to come to public to explain. even if MHJ is in the wrong for plagiarism issue, all that attack by media doesn't make any sense unless someone who can control media does it.
then we have girls getting media attack over tiniest of things, hanni's story being twisted. their pre trainee videos leaked whose source can only be hybe.

the thing is atleast in public mhj and newjeans were the 1st one to be attacked.

[vital orbit]

i think the court doesnt care ab SouMu leaking those since hYbE dId iT nOt aDoR

[short laurel]

and Ador didn't investigate where leaks comes from. somethign girls asked them to do

[subtle matrix]

If it is true that MHJ was at least exploring possible ways to make ador independent from hybe (and court documents indicate this is true) then it is very easy to understand why hybe would immediately go nuclear against MHJ, with new jeans being innocent bystanders (and again I am not saying MHJ didn't have legitimate reasons to explore those options, nor that they were illegal)

[short laurel]

even if girls and mhj wanted independent and planned things. mhj method which wasn't even illegal. and newjeans just seeing the people they work with no longer there. with girls remebering what hybe in somu did durig their trainee days, for sure they won't trust hybe.

i just don't think explanation for all this becomes simple if we consider those possibilities. situation still remains complicated. and girls remember micro aggression they constantly got from hybe and it's other sub labels.

[copper current]

this genuinely feels like a targeted attack.. the video was posted no more than 2 hours ago and there's already more malicious comments than positive ones?.. plus the video was literally targeted to NJZ fans so its not possible for them to find it quickally

[short laurel]

hybe media method after all harmed their own perception in public.

[copper current]

The amount of automation and bot here is insane

[short laurel]

this too. since last year i've noticed this alot. there are sometimes information that anti accounts got way be4 they are announced in public.

[copper current]

hybe cancelled our fanmeeting and world tour
hybe cancelled njz1
hybe cancelled brand partnership with Fortnite
hybe cancelled many more opportunities njz had and we never saw
hybe called njz objects of adult fantasy
hybe mediaplayed against them and their family

if you want them to go back to hybe so that YOU can benefit please stan something else’s

[subtle matrix]

The situation is naturally complicated because it's 4+ years of internal conflicts which aren't completely clear to any of us. But I feel like after reading a lot of stuff (both pro- and anti- hybe/ador/mhj/njz/etc) I have a decent grasp on what happened tbh. Obviously there's a lot of nuance and you could argue individual details endlessly. There will never be a single all-encompassing truth here

[vale grove]

YUPP

[vital orbit]

i wouldnt call the objects of adult fantasy solid evidence as reference to NJ

it could be about ILLIT in general. dont forget that magnetic was problematic bc it contained things that may be seen as sexual (some have even gone to say that theres a "bed creaking" sound in the instrumental...)

[short laurel]

honestly new ador wouldn't be in all this if they didn't cancelled the fanmeetin and njz1 which was planned to release last year.

[vital orbit]

not saying there is js saying a small amount of ppl felt uneasy ab magnetic mv

[subtle matrix]

When was it planned to happen?

[vital orbit]

did they do that before the emergency live or after?

[short laurel]

newjeans and old ador said these were goign to be done in 2024. fanmeeting bunnies camp korea was ot be annouced after tokyo dome.

[short laurel]

honestly i not remember the dates. it should be around whe mhj lost her ceo position. 🤔

[vital orbit]

WE LOST NJ FULL ALBUM TO THIS SHIT?? THATS WHY MHJ LEAKED THE DEMO??

[upbeat stream]

It's the fact that hybe didn't care to protect newjeans from all this that doesn't make sense. What justifies the disgusting attacks via the media? Some of it was happening from the very 1st day, April 22nd. And I think a lot of people, including here, underestimate it's role in njz's refusal to return. If only hybe wasn't so nasty to them, perhaps they would be willing to compromise

[copper current]

I am thinking the only way we counter Hybe tag pr is using the same method which is counter tag pr, which I don't know if anyone bunny can do, like putting mass correct info to counter the negative. Take it with a grain of salt and this is just my thought: https://youtu.be/q4DJy1JTGIk?si=979JpGp1QZNEQqPs

[upbeat stream]

Why do people ignore this?

[copper current]

They use that method, why don't we use the same method?

[short laurel]

we need $$$ for this method

[zenith bane]

MHJ was shielding the members - Hybe brought her in to learn her formula knowning that boy groups have mandatory hiatus and should diversify with a new gg. Formula worked, MHJ calls out Hybe for copying to create another team, Hybe says we own you - MHJ names and shames Hybe senior exec, who in response oust her from CEO. Hybe then overtake Ador management further retaliation - and go after the members MHJ was protecting to effectively ruin their careers for the remainder of their contracts. Hybe is extremely vindictive and will use their full influence to ruin lives.

[copper current]

Rich bunnies where are you?

[vital orbit]

God bless bunnies fandom with a 6 foot attractive rich man into shitty PR tactics

[upbeat stream]

Why should the girls take the constant lies and slander in the media?

[short laurel]

bunnies are already far ahead of other fandoms just with the existence of teambunnies. everyother fandoms usually just send trucks

[proven spade]

I was gonna say the number of comments was very impressive considering the view count and then I scrolled down just to see the overwhelming negative comments damn

[split bramble]

trucks and hashtags = job well done

[vital orbit]

the same way aespa lsfm illit gfriend g idle and every other gg had to. :/

someone said "they hate NJZ because theyre not controlled"

[short laurel]

result = waste of money

[copper current]

I think we should hit Hybe with the same tactics that Hybe did, they used tag pr, we use the same but we don't know how and the $$$

[subtle matrix]

I think everyone failed them tbh. From hybe to MHJ to their lawyers it seems

[upbeat stream]

They would rather run down the contract, and comeback afterwards with 10% of their peak, than return to that hellhole. Hybe can't understand that perhaps respect can be a motivating factor for people's actions too, njz keep emphasizing it in their interviews

[short laurel]

kpop don't want to make artists, they want to make puppets. that's how i c kpop and mhj n newjeans tried to become artists without any control from hybe.

[copper current]

many cases human minds and emotions can do miracle. Hybe just want to test like picking untalented people who will have to depend on the company to be idols, force feed auto, copy music, they are testing

[hot girder]

Huh. Just woke up, what happened with BBC? I saw that the girls talked with them and BBC also got ADOR involved

[vital orbit]

id say NewJeans success comes from focusing on the art rather than HAVING to make a hit

HYBE success comes from having to make a hit
same result, different input

[split bramble]

old interview, but ador refused to answer bbc's questions

[short laurel]

hybe method short time result, newjeans method long time result. which do u think is better ?

[vital orbit]

for example HYBE has completely stopped making bridges. NewJeans wouldn't do that unless there was some sort of reason / intention behind it

[split bramble]

if lawsuit dont go as planned we're gonna leak nj1 like guns n roses fans

[vital orbit]

newjeans' ofc, im just saying HYBE and NewJeans are different in creative direction in a way

[zenith bane]

the 'hit' man Bang!

[jolly junco]

sources for what?

[vital orbit]

HYBE's creative direction probably was at its peak when HYBE was just bighit labels and didnt exist

[short laurel]

yea. that;s why result is not same.

[sweet pebble]

the comments under bbc yt pmo sm💔💔💔

[split bramble]

copying trends isnt a creative direction, its a commercial one

[hot girder]

It doesn't read as being too old tho? It sounds like they made this interview happen after the injuction

[short laurel]

hybe ceo saying he wanted to bring down newjeans. what was the original source

[split bramble]

maybe, i should check further

[sweet pebble]

the leaked hybe papers

[upbeat stream]

It's from the 22nd

[jolly junco]

it was leaked from the court hearing that day, but something like that was written in that internal report

[hot girder]

yaa because they talk about what went down in court that's why I think it's not too old

[short laurel]

@subtle matrix

[jolly junco]

people seems to forgot that internal report existed, WHY?

[hot girder]

February?

it's easy to nitpick

[short laurel]

i m telling you, we need someoen to compile everything in 1 doc.

[vital orbit]

did the court not say anything about HYBE's internal report that wanted to throw out the "New" in "NewILL"? Are we waiting for a lawsuit against HYBE for that to happen or..

[short laurel]

i feel like ador dodged that one with somethign like "new not means newjeans" or something

[jolly junco]

actually there is bunnies correspondence community in twitter, only admin can post in that community

they compiled and posted only important news about NJZ vs ADOR/HYBE

[vital orbit]

for things like these they could js make up anything and get away with it right? since its all alleged / reported without full context

[hot girder]

They gave some bullshit explanation saying it was misunderstood and that they simply wanted to "promote" njz more, something like that

[short laurel]

i feel like bunnies twter would be biased towards njz and not post hybe sides points well

[short laurel]

not alleged. it was in their actual report that national assembly released. it's meaning of the words that they can manipulate

[vital orbit]

"throw away the new" yeah that sounds very promotional

Coke: "Turn your old jeans.. into New Jeans."
HYBE: "Turn your new jeans.. into Old Jeans."

[vital orbit]

yea thats why i put the '/' there since the internal report is real

[hot girder]

https://vxtwitter.com/CakeDegg/status/1904836087635468590?t=N1vUmQkfRrVY6KFP3F2-7g&s=19

[copper current]

I think the best way to counter Hybe's tactic is the same tactic they use with posting NJZ facts in mass but we need rich bunnies with that capabilities

[night niche]

all the korean comments under the new bbc video are mentally ill

[hot girder]

most comments are fucking deranged no matter what language it is. I hate it here

[sweet pebble]

we already have that but the court is blind

[copper current]

they are not Korean, Korean cannot change their minds in one day, they are Hybe paid comments and tag pr. The comments I read before the injunction were completedly different with positive support

[copper current]

I mean can we use tag pr as well?

[night niche]

ig the koreans are too dense to see that the western journalists are actually somewhat doing their job vs the freedom of press has been on a decline in korea for the past couple of years

[hot girder]

I'm glad the girls choose international news outlets instead of Korean ones. They will warp everything the girls say

And if any Koreans are hurt by that fact, then so be it, because it's the truth. You can't trust journalists from a country that will make hundreds of articles about 5 girls trying to leave their company, while protecting the evil men in the industry and not making any comments about them

Malicious articles* btw. With open comments for everyone to hate however they want to. But the few articles about #that man are all positive and putting blame on the victim, while also locking the comment section. Just unserious and evil

[night niche]

south korea is currently ranked 62 in the world press freedom index, which is really low especially considering korea’s level of development

[ashen charm]

Damn the girls really considered staying at ador ..

[sweet pebble]

the path that theyre taking rn gives them so much stress but they didn't give up and go down that way with ador

[night niche]

now it im looking at the video again, a lot of the comments against NJZ on the video might just be HYBE bots, all of the newest comments are in support while all the top comments with a bunch of likes have barely any comments

[subtle matrix]

I thought what was in the internal report was the "throw away 'new'" thing

[vital orbit]

average antiquity eat 🔥

[subtle matrix]

And the ceo saying he was willing to destroy new jeans together with mhj (or something like that) was reported as something he said to an ador vp

[short laurel]

@jolly junco

[ashen charm]

Hanni said in the video had they known how stressful it would've been on them and there parents they would've considered staying

[vital orbit]

this kinda makes me concerned ab NJZ/MHJ's legal team

how are you failing to tell teenage girls that what theyre doing will be viewed as problematic from the korean GP/ will be stressful

thats like the most important part of making the decision

[hidden mantle]

idts, their reputation in sk has been downhill ever since that time interview 💔

[split bramble]

infinite hate articles will do that

[hidden mantle]

Something I've been thinking about as well. It seems like Sejeong already knew about the result but is misleading them for money. The longer they can drag this, the more money they can make. But hopefully I'm wrong

[mild mist]

The legal team does appear to be letting them down

[ashen charm]

Most of the decisions have been by them selves the hanni making a last minute to pay respect to the crash victims
And all members continuing to do complexcon because all njz has left is us ..

[short laurel]

korean gp are fickle. they listen to whatever court says putting it it high ground even knowing their politics influence court.

[vital orbit]

hopefully we're wrong and its a shock to sejong aswell

[night niche]

it has, but not to the extent that is being presented on the internet, and honestly the south korean general public from what i’ve seen changes their opinion on things quickly depending on what the media is feeding them, since the state of journalism in korea right now is to be frank, complete and utter 💩, the korean media is on hybe’s side simply because large companies and controversial articles give them more money

[short laurel]

yesterdays mhj news. they know fine is cuz mhj backbeach. but ministry of labour rejected every complaint from B, yet MHJ is the evil to koreans.

[mild mist]

I don't think that the general public pays too much attention to boring court news, especially when there's other court news about the president's trial

[split bramble]

half of korea are right wing, among the other half a significant portion are misogynist tools

[vital orbit]

we had MHJ news yesterday? why tf is everything moving so fast now after the hiatus announcement?? is ADOR that pissed?

[split bramble]

remember when irene of red velvet had to apologise for reading a book? in what kind of society is that acceptable behaviour

[mild mist]

More than half, (south) Korea is a relatively conservative nation

[hot girder]

Irene a queen for that

[mild mist]

Yes, employee B got a letter telling them that min herjin would be fined for 1) a non-neutral HR investigation and 2) shit talking about employee B to the point that it was deemed workplace harassment

[ashen charm]

Should team bunnies be involved in something this big ..

[short laurel]

note that employee B's original complaint against MHJ came to nothing.

[copper current]

One tactics you can do is replying to high voted comement and correct it by poingint out the comments are repetitive and defending a company with billions of USD, blah, blah. It is hard to downvote all upvoted comments since they are upvoted by bots but you can correct it by replying. It is same as X community note

[vital orbit]

and wheres the fuss about it? when the employee from mhj's side wiped his laptop everyone was making fun of the situation. why am i not seeing employee B roasts on yt shorts? 🤔 i wonder why..

[short laurel]

my issue is why employee B didn't say anything to VP and Hybe for rejecting her complaint about SH. but attacked MHJ instead

[rain spade]

You do know that even if lawyers give advice, you can go against it.

[short laurel]

i not remember full detail of employee B complaint to ministyr of labour and court. i think it was something alogn the line of MHJ interefered to get baised ruling from HR or something? 🤔 (which came to nothing)

[vital orbit]

well yea duh, in the back of my mind i thought sth like maybe they downplayed how tough it actually would be on their mental

[short laurel]

maybe i remember things about employee B case wrong. @half knot would know.

[vital orbit]

everyone wants MHJ's nachos in HYBE apparently

[hidden mantle]

Since they're the No.2 law firm in SK, if it shocked them, then they're incompetent. Either circumstance is not good for the girls 😭

[grizzled summit]

When's the retrial

[vital orbit]

well the #2 law firm in SK wouldnt drag on a case for money riiiight....

honestly if they drag it on doesnt matter if NJZ win

[split bramble]

this case means a great deal reputation wise for them, enough tinfoil time

[night niche]

objection court hearing is april 9th

[split bramble]

gooning hour over, go back to studies

[ashen charm]

Another thing was while the members had there family and hanni was the only one in korea she was one who go targeted the most ..
Oh hanni your so brave

[night niche]

*x https://x.com/catzkang/status/1904701713900331056

반희수🫧 (@catzkang) on X

Just FYI. Haerin’s privacy concerns stem from her strong desire to keep personal aspects of her life, such as details about herself, her family, and her close friends: out of the public eye. She has consistently maintained this stance for a long time, valuing the separation

X · Mar 26, 2025, 1:07 AM

[harsh dove]

:warning: Tweet with id 1904701713900331056 does not contain any media!

[night niche]

whoops

[ashen charm]

What does hanni mean when maybe we would've chose that way?

[subtle matrix]

I also share this view. I had also spoken about this in regards to Minji describing herself as "stunned" by the ruling, and these words by Hanni only strengthen my belief that the legal team has failed to prepare them for what will be a long and very public legal process

[mild mist]

It very much does
Every minute the injunction remains in place is an opportunity lost for njz

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/njz_pham/status/1904864576350675387

[narrow seal]

250326 ditto akgae (@​njz_pham) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/njz_pham/status/1904864576350675387
Let Hanni cook. If the deceiving May 27, 2024 footage that HYBE & ADOR distributed in the media is available, then the May 28, 2024 footage should be available, not “expired”👍🏼

[pallid cape]

Great work 🙏

[glossy siren]

She stopped the phrase, it could even mean " we would have not chose this career path" like she stopped, do not push personal speculation as facts

[ashen charm]

Gooning

[glossy siren]

From what I read it's like people treat those girls like they are 11 yo uncapable of doing any smart decision. They are moving well, I'm sad that they are giving way to much weight to the negative side of the public. Speak, prepare and time will do its thing. If things do not turn the way they want then they will sit, think and find a new way. This is life

[subtle matrix]

I think it's wrong to treat them as children, but it's also wrong to assume that 16-20 year olds who have been in the idol industry since their early teens (working crazy hours with basically no time off) are completely aware of all the implications here. I feel like most people are trying to push every piece of this puzzle into a neat little box when it's a lot more complicated than that

[raven kelp]

can someone confirm that hanni mentioned the date on which that incident occured?

[stable escarp]

you got account for the average age for the antis. its pretty funny

[subtle matrix]

Her messages with MHJ confirm the date no?

[night niche]

thank you 💛

[raven kelp]

then why are people glossing over the fact that hybe submitted a cctv footage from a different date?

[elfin solstice]

what does antis mean 😭

[short laurel]

Most important fact isn't the date but the fact that hanni never said that members didn't greet het. Problem was why manager told them to ignore her. Ador keep ignoring this point.

[raven kelp]

date is also VERY important

[short laurel]

Hanni herself said that members did greet her. Problem is the managers words which can't be proven easily even with correct date.

[raven kelp]

to me it seems like hybe just wants to destroy NewJeans atp

[midnight yarrow]

The issue, and the reason it's proof of a breach of trust, is that ADOR made more effort to protect BeThief than to safeguard Hanni.

[ashen charm]

When The bottom of your shoe gets bubble gum and you have to scape it off what Evers left is an anti

[midnight yarrow]

ADOR is moving to protect the best interests of HYBE, not NewJeans. Any judge that doesn't see that is either corrupt or just an idiot at this point. Probably both

[raven kelp]

a BTS comeback, milking the living shit out of their existing groups and then mass producing a few more groups until the K-Pop hype eventually dies out will be more than enough to negate any loss caused by NewJeans right?

they don't give a flying fuck about the girls. i'm saying this now because i saw someone comment about how hybe wouldn't want to ruin their main moneymakers or smthn

[subtle matrix]

Most nuanced reading of a comment in this thread

Saying hybe had no incentive to destroy their main active money maker doesn't mean hybe had the well being of the girls as their main goal

[frozen granite]

Whats going on? Why is this chat so active ??

[raven kelp]

the fact that i won't be seeing the girls anytime soon has finally hit me so i'm crashing out

[frozen granite]

Im sorry you’re feeling that way

[raven kelp]

i had left this thread a while ago and when i got in here looking for their bbc kr article, that particular comment was the one that caught my eye the most

[frozen granite]

Wait South Korea is on fire ?

[elfin solstice]

where does all new jeans hate even come from 😭

[raven kelp]

ego can be a pretty good incentive

[upbeat stream]

They specifically targeted them via the media

[raven kelp]

because some people feel the need to blindly defend a conglomerate

[upbeat stream]

If you want someone to compromise with you, why would you do that?

[short laurel]

There battle on acquiring sm looked like they wanted monopoly on kpop. Market is already saturated n that company is obsessed with sm n america. This company will become nugu as soon as bts retires.

[frozen granite]

What are the people saying under the bbc video ? I can’t see the comments but ppl are saying it’s bad

[short laurel]

Usual shit calling njz liers n stuff

[frozen granite]

I don’t understand how people really think Njz would be willing “throw away” their careers if they were just lying. Them saying they’ll halt all activities than go back to ADOR is pretty telling that they really underwent mistreatment

[subtle matrix]

You guys tend to get hung up by sentences and events that don't hold the value you think they do

[upbeat stream]

You are saying that based on what exactly?

[grizzled summit]

When's the retrial

[frozen granite]

In two weeks I believe

[raven kelp]

pray tell what are those insignificant events

[upbeat stream]

This guy thinks it's a small and insignificant thing that ador leaked Hanni's visa info to incite racial hatred

Because that's what I was talking about when I said mediaplay, I had specifically talked about it a while ago

[vapid turret]

Guys who can I follow for updates on socials now that taly has been exposed as a doxxed?

[frozen granite]

I would say team bunnies on twitter ^

[raven kelp]

and how they released completely unrelated cctv visuals to make it seem like hanni was lying? which successfully ignited a hate train against her?

[vapid turret]

But I swore off of twitter do they have other accounts?

[upbeat stream]

And of course the trainee vids, let's not forget that

[subtle matrix]

Weren't we already discussing this earlier? I don't deny hybe has been working the media to get a favourable view by the public, and in turn making NJZ look bad. But that is not relevant to my argument that hybe had no incentive to destroy newjeans before this whole war started

[raven kelp]

well almost all of their updates are shared in this server

[frozen granite]

Oh idk tbh :/

[raven kelp]

did all of this begin after lsfm and illit were being slandered online because of yk that whole coachella, encore situation?

[upbeat stream]

And I don't disagree with that. I just don't understand what you meant by 'sentences and events that don't hold the value that you think they do'

[frozen granite]

The girls said they underwent mistreatment since their debut days though.

[short laurel]

biggest one leaking predebut videos

[subtle matrix]

I meant that it seemed like you were using the "they specifically targeted them via the media" as a catch-all response to something I said, when whether hybe did targeted the girls in the media or not is irrelevant to the argument I was making

[short laurel]

i think hybe has close ties with politics, not just bsh family. yoon's wife was seen at hybe building(don't ask me source, it was in media last year, will take a while to find it and i m lazy to do so). and when yoon wife's scandal was spreading, suga dui spread like wild fire, covering yoon wife's scandal. idols are just for covering up for hybe. another is seeing how minitry of labour acted on hybe's top company status. there's death and so much controversy and the nationa assembly report, yet it remained top company, also they are so quick to defend BSH.

[subtle matrix]

Although hybe working the media against the girls is a valid argument for them not wanting to work with hybe/ador, something that happened after the MHJ/HYBE conflict became public can hardly be used as evidence that hybe was conspiring against newjeans from the start

[subtle matrix]

I don't need the girls to say it, that is probably true for everyone in the industry

[short laurel]

according to team bunnies, they have evidence that hybe PR asked media to report against MHJ and newjeans. if it's true, it could work in girls favor since hybe sublabels uses hybe PR as service.

[short laurel]

majority*. i have hope that there's atleast 1 nugu company that truely care about artists.

[frozen granite]

& that’s why it’s important to speak up & them doing this is revolutionary.

[short laurel]

i forgot the company name but there was one that was highly praised by fandom. a very small company with small artists. i m hopign it's true.

[frozen granite]

for the main lawsuit, can NJZ use subpoenas ?

[upbeat stream]

Why does it matter whether hybe planned to destroy newjeans before this incident began or after? Newjeans was their artist all the same. It could be for MHJ's alleged attempts to make ador independent but I don't think it's a particularly important distinction for this case

[short laurel]

yes. issue is will they willing speak against hybe/ador. i know in battle like these, out of fear against giant company people avoid speaking the truth.

[frozen granite]

I see, well folks things are going to get uglier, but I stand with Njz so that’s that

[radiant scaffold]

If the evidence is hybe PR working against MHJ it would hold no value tbh, they have no obligation to MHJ.
And if the other stuff actually against NJ is similar to the Japan sales incident I doubt it would help much as it could also be discarded on some technicality.

[raven kelp]

i know that i'm doing exactly what you said, being hung up on sentences. but could you please tell me what insignificant event we were hung up on?

[short laurel]

depends on what it is, there was alot of mediaplay and it could potentially help MHJ,s case if it has info abotu her.

[upbeat stream]

All we really need is 10asia or tvdaily to say that they got Hanni's visa info from ador, which they obviously did. But it's so unlikely to happen

[short laurel]

but as i said depends on what it is.

[short laurel]

court can order investigation on how 10asia and tvdaily got the info, same with dispatch, how dispatch got their trainee videos. and dispatch will 100% be charged for stalking hanni which ador keep using as tempering.

[radiant scaffold]

It would benefit her either ways for defamation. Sokor laws are weird about defamation, even if the stuff they spread is true if it's caused significant loss to her career or character, it's defamation.
I dont see how attacks against her would benefit NJ tho. They are not the same entity. If the stuff hybe pr spread about NJ was them being gaslit by MHJ or similar I really doubt it would hold in court.

[upbeat stream]

The trainee vids situation is a bit more complex since it's technically source, not ador. And ador will say they did ask dispatch to take it down but they refused since ador is not the rights holder of those videos, source is. Source itself can say they own the videos so have no responsibility to take it down. It's a whole fucking mess. Hanni visa is much more straightforward

[short laurel]

i m not talk abotu that. what teambunnies has proof for both njz and mhj mediaplay, which is alot. i m saying is the proof about attack on njz by media could work for njz, not mhj part.

[hoary frost]

What do you guys think the girls will do if they lose the April 3rd? Just curious to hear your thoughts

[orchid field]

I just want them to win lol no point being an internet lawyer

[short laurel]

it's nj's private information, somu has to keep it private, or ador has duty to make sure somu keeps it private. they can't make it public without facing legal issue.

[subtle matrix]

Okay so this is exactly what I was trying to get at when I replied to you earlier. We can discuss the case as a whole, we can discuss details of the case. One discussion that not invalidate the other. Saying someone is wrong in one specific instance does not mean that are completely wrong. I was arguing about one specific notion (the incentive for hybe to destroy newjeans), so your reply seemed to be trying to negate a separate discussion because you feel like hybe using mediaplay against newjeans is so overwhelmingly important that it overrules all other discussion. I think we have very different pov's and we're crossing arguments and views that don't belong together

[radiant scaffold]

The first injunction MHJ was granted has really turned out to be troublesome for rest of their cases tbh cause that injunction established that ador and hybe are separate entities, and as an extension all the sublabels under hybe are separate entities.
Their argument now is that it's the actions of other sublabels and the parent company as well causing BOT but that's not being considered in the court.

[raven kelp]

wow i had to pause the song i was playing to get this all in

[radiant scaffold]

Technically trainee videos are sort of soumu property, the only problem I find here is the leak of "medical info" but it wasn't like their extensive blood work or stuff was leaked. It was just an injury report. It's a bit of a weak argument.

[upbeat stream]

It does for the girls, regardless of what you or me say

[short laurel]

@half knot so they saying NJ has no say in how somu use their trainee videos. help me here,

idk legal details here but it sounds very wrong.

[subtle matrix]

Of course, and if the discussion is about them never accepting going back to hybe/ador because of the mediaplay, that argument is completely legit

[short laurel]

we had alot of discussion about it here on how they can't make their trainee videos public without girls permission.

[subtle matrix]

I didn't reply to your comment earlier but I hope this made it more clear

[sage venture]

weak? that's something for a criminal lawsuit

[short laurel]

either way, girls have problem with the leaked videos, and it's one of their argument on breach of trust, so main court will probably investigate it. atleast i hope so.

[upbeat stream]

Well MHJ's ador did say at the time that the leak was illegal but then took no action. I think even the parents said that, but I'm not sure

[subtle matrix]

I am pretty sure than since they were minors, source music cannot distribute videos without their consent, even if they own the videos

[radiant scaffold]

I really doubt that. Something that accounts for a criminal lawsuit is allegedly ador using hanni's sign for her visa extension without her permission (which I don't know why their team is not focusing on more).
This tho? It's digital property that belongs to soumu and if they signed down all of it before moving to ador, it is a weak argument. Ultimately depends on the trainee contract which none of us are privy to.

[short laurel]

but remember not everything written in contract is legally binding, plus girls were minor at the time. i really think it's illegal for them to leak it. mhj and girls parents even said it is. i hope it is.

[upbeat stream]

The visa thing is a slam dunk case of breach of trust, but they need proof

[short laurel]

ador openly made a statement about her visa, openly sharing that info. media jsut kept repeating that

[sage venture]

dude, that video shows a 14years old girl wearing tights and heels with 'some' dance moves and they leaked it to damage their reputation It could even fall under 'Violation of the Child and Youth Protection Law'

[upbeat stream]

They positioned that as replying to media and an anonymous person's reports about her visa, when they were the ones who leaked it in the first place lol

I don't know how subpoenas work in Korea, but can media be compelled to tell how they learned about her visa?

[subtle matrix]

The problem with this is that to make the argument that hybe failed NJZ, then they need to prove that:

1. the videos actually came from source music or hybe
2. hybe didn't take the necessary measures to determine how it got leaked
3. hybe didn't take the necessary measures to correct it

And since there are records of either hybe or source music (I don't remember which) asking the publication where they got the videos from and asking them to take the videos down, it's not going to be easy to do so

[short laurel]

since her visa is her private information shared without her consent. Yes

[upbeat stream]

I hope so then. This is their best argument by far

[subtle matrix]

Ofc during the lawsuit they will be able to subpoena a lot of records which might prove hybe has been lying

[frozen granite]

Do you guys think their lawyers are already trying to accumulate all of the evidence of what you guys are saying? I mean I’d think that’s the case

[short laurel]

investigation on dispatch is needed. and we don't know if there was any measures taken by hybe, they might have taken them.

[upbeat stream]

There's no way dispatch won't take it down if hybe asks in earnest. But I agree, it's gonna be very hard to prove all that

[sage venture]

they just need to file a criminal lawsuit against Dispatch for that, and the process will begin

[raven kelp]

i have fallen behind in this conversation. but let me say something, we'll never know what incentive is behind hybe damaging their main active money maker's reputation. but from what they have been doing all this while, it is clear that they have every intention to obliterate NewJeans. how is that not a valid argument in this whole ordeal?

[short laurel]

valid argument for us, not for court.

[radiant scaffold]

@subtle matrix @sage venture hmm I get both of your points. But here's my perspective. Even if it's proven that source music did leak the videos, it wouldn't help in their case against ador with the current precedent that is set.

Because for the injunction, the judge deemed the actions ador took against the leak enough to not qualify for a BOT, and if the precedent of the first MHJ vs HYBE injunction is followed in the main lawsuit as well, it wouldn't help in their case against ador specifically.

They can file a lawsuit against source and easily win. But if one court has determined the actions that their contracted company took against the leak as enough, will it ultimately help their case?

[subtle matrix]

Yes proving it came from source music alone wouldn't be enough for the case against hybe, since source music is just a beneficiary. Same thing with the plagiarism claims, even if they somehow proved belift lab plagiarised they would need to prove hybe was involved and/or did not take the necessary measures to stop it

[upbeat stream]

Exactly. Even if it started only after April 22nd or September 11th, it doesn't matter

[short laurel]

ador has to show that they investigated how dispatch got the video. we have no info about this.

ador duty is not just to ask dispatch to take it down but to get it's source investiagted.

[upbeat stream]

It would hinge on whether source's leak is actually illegal or not. If it is, ador's actions were surely not enough and idk how the judge can say otherwise,it's bs

[radiant scaffold]

That's the fans perspective tho, that's what I'm saying. The injunction ruled that ador asking to take down the videos and questioning soumu about the source of leak were enough actions to not qualify for BOT

[short laurel]

as for mhj vs hybe 1st injunction. that case was specifically about MHJ. ador BOD now every member is from hybe. i hope court c this.

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/shamanjz/status/1904884761237348811

[narrow seal]

250326 oppa NJZ (@​shamanjz) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/shamanjz/status/1904884761237348811
👇

[short laurel]

do we know if ador questioned soumu? we don't know. we don't know if ador has taken any action behind the scenes other than asking dispatch for removing them.

[radiant scaffold]

I think they did mention it in their statement that came out back then. I'll have to double check tho.

[upbeat stream]

A request dispatch turned down so we know they didn't actually ask. Just pretended to, but if that's enough for the court then not much we can do about that, they are just extremely biased towards the company

[short laurel]

it shouldn't be enough for the main court. if this topic come i believe there would be an investigation that dispatch can't ignore.

[sage venture]

whether it's what I think or what you think doesn't matter Before the termination, NJZ members asked to identify the leak and requested both civil and criminal action against those responsible, but ADOR didn't, even though it's clear who had the original video This is probably the weakest point of the court's ruling on the injunction it wasn't even the judge's to decide to determine whether requesting proper action against a criminal act is enough or not

[upbeat stream]

If we are sure it's criminal, then yeah, ador's actions were most definitely not enough

[fast snow]

They know what they’re doing when it’s negative but as soon as their action is seen as positive it couldn’t have come from them like where’s the logic in that

[subtle matrix]

iirc the injunction ruling mentions that hybe made efforts to both determine the origin of the leak and have the publication remove the videos. It is not clear what evidence hybe presented but it seems the court decided it was enough to accept their argument.

@vague shore regarding newjeans requesting criminal action against those responsible, the judge ruled that while hybe had an obligation take action, it did not have an obligation to take legal action specifically

[short laurel]

so company take full control over idols life but they have no obligation to take legal action against any attacks on idols. wow

[upbeat stream]

I wonder why Sejong didn't even bring up the visa thing. It's not like they had solid proof for every argument they made, what could've prevented them from at least mentioning it? Really reeks of an incompotent legal team

[sage venture]

the judge didn’t say that ADOR has no obligation they just said, 'It’s hard to conclude that the ADOR did not take the necessary measures regarding the video leak' This is a vague area If what the members were asking for was proper action for breaking criminal law then the judge's logic completely collapses

[fast snow]

The entire situation is fishy and just reels of incompetence I won‘t lie

[subtle matrix]

I'd be more worried about them being unable to successfully argue any of their points

[short laurel]

well it was in injunction. in main suit i m sure court will go into these details.

[fast snow]

I‘m loosely following this whole legal stuff but from what I heard Sejong‘s actions so far don’t reflect those of a #2 Lawfirm nationwide

[upbeat stream]

I always wanted them to go with a different law firm, not one tied to mhj. But I didn't say it here because I wanted to stay positive and also the fact that Sejong successfully argued JYJ's case all those years ago

[fast snow]

Or have I completely missed the mark?

[subtle matrix]

He kinda did

[short laurel]

same with #1 lawfirm. both lawfirm looks incompetent.

[sage venture]

I have the court ruling in Korean, and it exactly what I said, letter by letter '채권자가 AF 또는 AC 등에 민·형사상 조치를 취하지 않았다는 사정만으로
채무자들의 연습생 시절 사진 및 영상의 유출에 관하여 채권자가 필요한 조치를 다하지 않았다고 보
기는 어려우므로, 이 사건 전속계약상의 중요한 의무를 위반했다고 보기는 어렵다'

[copper current]

It seems they can play as spy and sabotage NJZ from inside

They may act nicely and pretended to help but they just stalled and sabotaged NJZ??

[radiant scaffold]

The ruling can be interpreted differently by different translators. It would have been amazing to have an unbiased translator lol but no point in arguing in the semantics.

[subtle matrix]

Idk how that changes things ngl. The conclusion is still that not taking criminal action doesn't mean they didn't take the necessary actions - i.e. they are not forced to take criminal action

[vital orbit]

been studying

[upbeat stream]

I think the reason judge said this is because the circumstances of the leak are unclear as per the translated ruling. If it can be established without any doubt that Source leaked it and that it constitutes an illegal behavior, surely ador would be compelled to make a criminal complaint

[sage venture]

having no obligation is very different from it's hard to prove that they didn't do enough' The former is definitive, while the latter is judgmental As I said, if it's truly a violation of criminal law, then the judge's judgmental call here is completely wrong

[upbeat stream]

It's simple logic: according to the contract, ador is mandated to protect newjeans. And protection from criminal acts require criminal lawsuits. There's no way any judge would say otherwise

[raven kelp]

is it really that hard to understand that ADOR/HYBE does NOT have the girls' best interest in mind? giving them a no way out in a situation like this is absolute bs

[raven kelp]

and how can anyone look at that misleading cctv visuals and be like "alr fair enough" unless they are eating shit for their meals

[subtle matrix]

@upbeat stream @vague shore I tend to agree with your latest comments, but since that would apply in the hypothetical scenario where the source of the leak is identified the NJZ legal team has to cross that hurdle first

[vital orbit]

this gives me hope <3

imagine they come back same time as NJZ, just like how they disbanded same day as NewJeans contract termination

[vital orbit]

js a piece of delulu to hold onto, i doubt that would happen but ir would be cool

[hot girder]

Good for them but the situation is different

[vital orbit]

yeah i know
fromis 9's contract expired right? or what was it

[hot girder]

They didn't renew their contracts

[vital orbit]

i just remember that ppl really hated that day bc we lost loossemble NewJeans & fromis 9 in one day

[frozen granite]

Just read the bbc video comments .. they really are not it

[cinder verge]

was mhj really the first to mention chaewon and lsf in the press conference? or is that also misinformation

[raven kelp]

hybe has to go all out with the media play against the girls in korea since they've been their biggest support system, so i say, the coming days, it's only going to get worse

[short laurel]

cuz of how media was attacking mhj for full week. mhj had no choice but to mention them to clear things up. but she did said girls are not at fault, the management are to be blamed.
the amount of witch hunt by media was crazy. it's the worse i've ever seen.

[empty halo]

haven't they already started, i heard that articles in the media have started to frame them as anti korea

[raven kelp]

that's what i'm saying, they're in no way protecting the girls' and yet the court rule says they've done enough

[steel depot]

of course the court is protecting the industry that is feeding them...

even if that industry is toxic and not protecting minors

[raven kelp]

https://www.threads.net/@assubla888/post/DHqWXnYRvb0?xmt=AQGz63UPxqKNp_uiwAwfvGZllazSRxA6jaMQGgxxswYtKw

[frozen bronze]

the commenter's usernames on the bbc video are so blatantly bot names that im doubting if they even are

[empty halo]

stan culture has brainrotted people so much they're supporting billion dollar corporations over young girls 🙏

[old cypress]

More importantly the judge is saying that incidents that happened under mhj's tenure are not related with fraudor. The judge is acting like fraudor is independent from hybe

I think the lawyers need to establish that fraudor are hybe puppets who ejected mhj and therefore cannot be trusted because the same people tried to destroy newjeans over the years

[hot girder]

https://vxtwitter.com/NJZBUBBLEGUM/status/1904915400082469343?t=RZMbiUaiRyz7lMOWbFakFg&s=19

what's this about?

[old cypress]

Probably about kim saeron and the cyberwrecker issue

Wow the hate comments under the bbc video are insane

[sage venture]

there’s a national petition to investigate the cyber wrecker who exploited a young actress, leading to suicide, and he’s the same person who allegedly obtained Hanni’s visa information exclusively from 'HYBE/ADOR' Also there is a pending process of petition for a hearing regarding the leaked documents from HYBE

[hot girder]

damn

[frozen bronze]

just look at the usernames, its almost too blatant idk this is weird

[fast snow]

The fact people are hating on Danielle and Hanni (the 2 Members who are fluent in English) for speaking the most is actually hilarious "omg drama queens" they want their message delivered clearly so everyone can understand "oh they're surpressing Haerin she wants to speak but they dont let her" atp it just has to fully be HYBE bots flooding the comments

[stiff prairie]

there's some politics playing here asw. i took a look at some of the commenters other comments. conservative followers are flooding the comment sections besides bots too

effect of choosing a side during the president impeachment protest

[fast snow]

I'm telling you there's something larger at play behind the scenes. Only time will tell what that is

[orchid field]

its extremely obvious today

[upbeat stream]

IU is suffering with the same issue so yeah, that tracks

[fast snow]

I also saw a thread about HYBE's shady past in general and I did not know that they're connected to the entire Puff Daddy Justin Bieber thing aswell

[stiff prairie]

what? sounds like a stretch cause how

[storm warren]

bots/girls gallery incels/conservatives mostly men

[fast snow]

Mostly through HYBE America and multiple associates they have or people that are credited on LSF and ILLIT songs

[storm warren]

all njz article comments have same age demo 95% men mostly over 30-40

[fast snow]

I can find the thread for you if you'd like me to

[sage venture]

we'll see how things play out when all the leaked documents go public

[short laurel]

even reaching 50-60

[stiff prairie]

yeah i'm curious now

[fast snow]

https://x.com/yslhaerin/status/1904565807385841823

‏َ (@yslhaerin) on X

Exposing HYBE and how it’s quite literally endangering and damaging their idols

a thread 🧵

X · Mar 25, 2025, 4:07 PM

[storm warren]

probably hybe shareholders as well that spam hate on naver finance

[fast snow]

I mostly just glanced over it but some of the stuff is crazy

[short laurel]

not just shareholders. many incels are in that age group too

[storm warren]

yep, sadly. their problem is not just njz going against corporation but women speaking out

[short laurel]

fyi. it doesn't mention everything.

[fast snow]

I don't think anyone would have the time to actually note down everything

[elfin solstice]

is the drama people saying that njz was lying about hybes treatment/hanni ilit bowing incident etc

[fast snow]

Just from this thread alone I don't even wanna know what more went on behind closed doors, I am genuinely praying that all the HYBE and Sublabel idols are in a safe environment

[stiff prairie]

scooter braun at it again i see. i knew the bit about usher being involved but not scooter. this guy has problems with every western artists lol