NJZ Updates and Discussion

[subtle matrix]

Seriously I can't get over how the ultimatum to reinstate MHJ came back to bite NJZ so hard. This employee B decision only makes it worse

[short laurel]

https://x.com/BluRoofPolitics/status/1903977652530168235 ooh

The Blue Roof (@BluRoofPolitics) on X

With the denial, Han will return to office as the Acting President while the nation still awaits the court to rule on the impeachment of Yoon Suk-yeol.

X · Mar 24, 2025, 1:10 AM

[split bramble]

proof of current hybe ceo saying they'll sabotage newjeans wasnt good enough reason, that judge isnt pure

no matter what the girls had the judge wasnt gonna go in their favor

[blazing sky]

is this why they were so nervous before they performed pit stop? when i saw the clips al 5 of them seemed extremely nervous, even while performing

[waxen musk]

Did you listen to their speeches throughout the show? I think they explained it well.

[blazing sky]

i did, but it seemed their nervousness peaked right before the song

[stiff prairie]

i think more than nervousness it's the sadness to convey the hiatus news to the fans

[blazing sky]

maybe, thats also true

[hoary frost]

mhm...

[blazing sky]

i mean words can mean so many things but body language says it all, i mean i noticed during danis speech after performing she was extremely nervous, she was over talking and panting and she couldnt stop moving her arms *compared to the other members after their performances i mean

and i think it peaked for everyone else before pit stop

but im just speculating–could just be nervousness to show everyone a new song after so long

[hot girder]

I think knowing this is their last time on stage for an undefined amount of time plays a huge factor as well

You know this is it for who knows how much time. It's hard

[storm warren]

http://m.monthly.chosun.com/client/mdaily/daily_view.asp?idx=21685&Newsnumb=20250321685

[short laurel]

This is weird to me cuz nothing to A or hybe but mhj is fined. I m confused what they are trying to say.
Also it's The Ministry of Employment and Labor who shown to defend hybe for some reason even after death incident under hybe

[sage venture]

how convenient lol

[storm warren]

Its easy to understand. they partially found MHJ guilty for shit talking in KKT chats and fined her for that

[short laurel]

That's all ?

[storm warren]

while found not guilty for SH and everything else B complained about

[red thorn]

Where's the part she admits

[short laurel]

Title is so dirty

[storm warren]

she did not admit anything. Ministry of Labor issued fine

title is mediaplay like no other and employee B is spamming ig stories

[hollow sorrel]

yet people will still use it against her I just know

I mean a fine is alright ig, especially how Bang pd’s father is a top dog at ministry of labor

[storm warren]

its hilrious to get fined for KKT chats which was leaked to public by hybe and is blatant violation of privacy

[hoary frost]

something happened today?

[short laurel]

Can't mhj file for defamation against B?

[stiff prairie]

she hasn't already? ik exec A did not sure about mhj

[storm warren]

I mean B filed against her. she gotta defend herself m. she wont file against her as its bad press

VP filed against B and won, was mentioned in Billboard article

[short laurel]

It says rest of her complaints unfounded but this article is so dirty

[stiff prairie]

i didn't even know it's results were out

[storm warren]

ofc, the point is to smear her. its chosun

[short laurel]

No ine heard about that

[storm warren]

It is mentioned in Jeff's article iirc

[short laurel]

Ministry of labour seriously over kkt but nothing on death at hybe building

Aside from kkt shit talk, B actually lost right.

[stiff prairie]

bro this country

[subtle matrix]

Employee B lost the claim against VP for sexual harassment
Won claims against MHJ for failure to conduct an impartial investigation and workplace harassment (partially)

[sage venture]

MHJ didn't investigate or anything she simply advised him to raise the question

[short laurel]

Over shit talking in kkt 💀

[storm warren]

it is HR's role to investigate not her

[sage venture]

ironically, the current ADOR CEO is the one who conducted the investigation lol

and did she get fined? lol

[short laurel]

I hope mhj raise the issue n continue the fight. Ministry of labour really needs to be audit with how they defending hybe's narrative

[storm warren]

yeah

[short laurel]

Current ador ceo got fined too?

[storm warren]

no mhj

[short laurel]

I think Milo was asking about the current ceo

[sage venture]

She was the head of HR at that time

[storm warren]

why would she get fined when it was concluded that investigation was right

i mean if labor concluded investigation was faulty, the blame would fall on CHRO which is not what hybe wants

[short laurel]

So it's safe to say employee B lost aside from kkt shit talk part.

Kkt shit talk = bully
Dead in the building = not bully, infact top company.
What a system

[sage venture]

because that's employee B claiming that the investigation is flawed as well
But no one cares anything other than MHJ

[storm warren]

she claimed mhj covered it up, but even if mhj advised vp to raise objection, that would simply delay a bit and would not change investigation at all

[short laurel]

I m curious what bs B is saying on ig but i not remember her ig

[storm warren]

202408bbbbb iirc

[short laurel]

Can't read korean.

[storm warren]

she is grateful for justice and will work hard to beat mhj in court

[short laurel]

So court battle still ongoing?

[storm warren]

yeah, this is ministry of labor's conclusion. court is separate

[hollow sorrel]

https://x.com/yo_lobster/status/1904143484283670546?s=46&t=rG1o-Bkd-GgDMGG_CtSg2Q

ADOR is playing checkers but the girls are playing chess

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𝗧𝗵𝗲 𝗟𝗲𝗴𝗮𝗹 𝗕𝗮𝘀𝗶𝘀 𝗼𝗳 𝗡𝗝𝗭 𝗛𝗶𝗮𝘁𝘂𝘀 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝗟𝗶𝗺𝗶𝘁𝘀 𝗼𝗻 𝗔𝗗𝗢𝗥’𝘀 𝗔𝘂𝘁𝗵𝗼𝗿𝗶𝘁𝘆

The announcement of a hiatus by Minji, Hanni, Danielle, Haerin, and Hyein—on March 23, 2025, at ComplexCon Hong Kong, reflects both a strategic and legally sound

X · Mar 24, 2025, 12:09 PM

[storm warren]

this benefits her in court but we will see lol

[short laurel]

Then there's hope. Would be nice if mhj wins, ministry of labour would look like clown

[sage venture]

it's a simple question If you think you were sexually harassed, who would you be most angry at? A) the person who harassed you, B) the one who investigated the incident but didn't acknowledge it, or C) the person who advised A to raise the question?

[short laurel]

That's the thing no one understands about employee B.

[storm warren]

lol her blog post praising ador is funniest

then having epiphany and filing case

[short laurel]

send translation pls

i not remeber how she started this

[storm warren]

https://x.com/juantokki/status/1856155611177906666

this?

1tokki (@juantokki) on X

This is a blog post by Employee B, published after she left ADOR. However, she got numerous inconsistencies and contradictions through the course of this ordeal. Her tone and thoughts in this blog post are very contradicting with various versions of her communications during her

X · Nov 12, 2024, 2:02 AM

[short laurel]

thank you.

[storm warren]

np

[short laurel]

now need someone to translate her new bs she posted.

[cinder verge]

can someone explain WHY njz lost? Because before the injunction result it seemed pretty favorable towards njz, at least the stuff that I was seeing on social media made it appear that way.

[subtle matrix]

The tl;dr is that the judge didn't think they present enough evidence to back their claims so until the lawsuit is resolved the contract is valid

They objected to it though, so they'll have another opportunity to back those claims with evidence

[cinder verge]

didnt ador literally like use tampered evidence, like how did they let that shi fly

[blazing sky]

you werent abused enough by your company to warrent a win tldr

[stiff prairie]

because that judge is stupid ass bihh

[cinder verge]

i dont understand, did ador present enough evidence?

[blazing sky]

i think they presented like 11 examples i dont know exactly*

[cinder verge]

wasnt all their evidence shitty

[subtle matrix]

Well given the ruling the judge decided there was enough evidence on ADOR's side and not enough on NJZ's

[stiff prairie]

ador only had to say they did their duties like paying them supporting them etc. main burden lied on njz to prove it

[blazing sky]

which theoretically, you can track that. you can track pay stubs, track staff being paid to be at advertising shoots, etc etc

its hard to track mistreatment especially if its mental. if its physical youd have clear signs like bruising, etc. so evidence has to be things like camera recordings, eyewitnesses, etc

dani's claims she made a bit ago during a live could be tracked- like text messages of their food to their manager, asking to go to the bathroom from a text, etc etc

but could also be wiped just as easily

[short laurel]

that part was from her trainee days so be4 girls signing the contract so out of scope.

[blazing sky]

but its still clear evidence of all idols being mistreated (which everyone knows ab already)
just more fuel to the fire of idols in general

[short laurel]

yea but case isn't about that unfortunately. girls need to prove breach of trust with current ador

[craggy skiff]

hybe ceo said they need destroy both mhj and newjeans but court dont see it as an evidence 🤡

[short laurel]

also like always they can deflect it as being at somu and not ador, so need to prove that hybe n sublabels are one which is another annoying thing

[blazing sky]

its probably bc it was the hybe ceo- imagine if that was adors current ceo who said that? now that would be extremely clear evidence

court prob doesnt care ab what hybe has to say since its njz trying to leave ador, so they look at how ador treated the artists

[short laurel]

hybe would be in loads of shit if they somehow prove that hybe and sublabels are acting as 1 entity.

[subtle matrix]

That would probably only be admissable in the lawsuit under testimony, since for now the only evidence for that is someone saying he said it. The proof they were able to submit for the injunction is of a much narrower scope

[sage venture]

i just think it's so weird that the focus shifted from 'the state of trust being broken' to 'is it enough to break the trust' I thought the girls case was legit because it would have been enough if just one had been acknowledged, but the judges denied everything as if the result had already been decided For example, regarding the leaked explicit trainee video, the judge said it wasn’t enough because ADOR requested to delete the file (even though Dispatch only blurred the faces) etc But the girls wanted to find the leak and file a lawsuit for protection I don’t understand how the judge decided that it wasn’t enough You can still find those videos anywhere, even now

[short laurel]

infact it was mhj who took action and ador called it "mhj's personal action" but took credit for it for themselves. it was in this case right. njz side shared email proof iirc

[subtle matrix]

That's how it was always going to be. "I lost trust in the other party" is not enough to break contract. You need to document and prove transgressions that lead to the loss of trust. Otherwise these contracts would be worthless

[sage venture]

yep, the current CEO even instructed MHJ not to make the public statements about the issue using company name

[short laurel]

where was that where ador said all girls problems are "due to previous management"

[sage venture]

nope, that's not the precedent or the recent court trend If you can say 'It's not enough' for everything, there will be no breach of trust except for money issues

[shrewd badger]

How long will the process of objection to the Injunction last ?

[subtle matrix]

It can be other stuff outside of money issues but you need to be able to argue those are legitimate reasons for loss of trust and you need enough evidence to prove those things happened. Per the ruling they failed to do either

[storm warren]

objection will be quick, most likely denied as it is same court. they will file appeal in April and hearing will probably happen in May-June if it is not denied

[sage venture]

you're just reiterating the court ruling Go read some precedents One group of shady judges doesn't decide all

[storm warren]

if appeal is also lost, they have to wait for the first instance ruling of main lawsuit

[radiant scaffold]

It was a little more than shit talking tbf

[subtle matrix]

If the judge's decision doesn't have merit they will win on appeal

[shrewd badger]

Oh so the appeal seems to better choice as the judges are different

[upbeat stream]

There was a k-tokki here on the injunction ruling date who said that the judge will likely be different even though it's the same court

But in the worst case, it could also be the same judge

[storm warren]

acc to my friend: "the injunction decision should likely not bind the judge hearing the substantive dispute, although in practice once one judge has decided a certain way it usually becomes a bit harder to persuade another judge to take a different view (the degree to which this is true depends on the specific court’s interpersonal dynamics)"

so we cant particularly rely on judges but it is better for Sejong to start from the scratch, create new framework to work around and preferably present new evidence which is hard when your opponent is almighty hybe

[upbeat stream]

So most probably a different division of the district court

[shrewd badger]

I see , at least now sejong have more time to collect evidence and create a better arguement

[sage venture]

the other issue with this injunction is that it gives too much power to the creditor with just one hearing and a two week period It especially restricts the fundamental right to choose one's occupation which is protected by the constitution AFAIK the objections only argue technicalities with the same judges, so they could fight over that, but what do I know?

[subtle matrix]

I think NJZ laywers will argue that the ruling is too damaging for them for those reasons but the judge will say "you can still work and make money you just have to do it under ador until the lawsuit is resolved"

[stiff prairie]

seeing how much empathatic towards ador and none towards the girls i kinda agree w this being this judge's stance even later on. idk how sejong is going to gather evidences or what but the judge needs to understand the bridge between artists and ador is broken and there's no reconciliation no matter what. problem is everyone besides the judge already knows that but for some reason he still thinks there's possibility of them working together

[atomic echo]

Bro people on the internet will really just say anything. It’s so sad.

[storm warren]

nurse!!!

[tired cairn]

i know you want to vent about it, and that's valid. But is there a reason to bring anti's message in here? Let's just keep this on topic and free of slander please

[stiff prairie]

This sounds like textbook tag pr line lol. This style of conversation fits reddit a lot

[subtle matrix]

The amount of "fanfics" for the lack of a better word that have been written about this case needs to be studied lol

[atomic echo]

For real, instead of saying this stupid shit they could make money writing fictional stories

[tired cairn]

please tell me when you publish your book

[atomic echo]

[frozen granite]

Gm is anything new going on?

[craggy skiff]

Ah. I don't want to mention about taly but just saw a post from anti account that said cbunnies complain and unstan njz because how fandom harass taly.
But these anti accounts are the first one start harass both taly and njz. Our fandom only complain taly when thing go too far and can not controllable

[frozen granite]

I wouldn’t trust anything an anti says tbh

[stiff prairie]

Way too much energy spent on taly thingy. But ig w how we don't have anything else rn these unimportant things will be big talking points

[atomic echo]

Idk anything about the taly situation. I’m just gonna avoid that.

[surreal raft]

did anyone hear about min hee jin??

[sonic meadow]

Is it even true that taly used to bash other groups or smth

[subtle matrix]

99% of people have made up their minds by now and won't change unless something big comes up in court

[surreal raft]

https://x.com/uinv_5/status/1904132778922217810

✨ (@uinv_5) on X

The labor office confirms: MHJ has been officially convicted of workplace harassment, verbal abuse, and bullying against a girl, and a fine has been imposed on her. Investigations also revealed the involvement of the vice president in participating with MHJ in harassing the girl.

X · Mar 24, 2025, 11:26 AM

[surreal raft]

sadly yes..

[sonic meadow]

Oh damn

[surreal raft]

yes yes i need someone to talk to about min hee jin

[subtle matrix]

Probably not to the level that has been implied but she definitely had some questionable comments regarding other groups/fanbases and some real yikes moments like the wonhee/hanni thing and f'ing doxxing someone lol

[stiff prairie]

You can scroll up. Ppl had a discussion here already some time ago

[frozen granite]

What even is this? I don’t understand? Can someone dm me about it

[sonic meadow]

She f”ing doxxed someone??

[surreal raft]

idek.. but many people are talking about it and yet again bringing the girls into it

[frozen granite]

But is it true or just antis spreading misinformation?

[atomic echo]

I mean I saw her say a couple things about other groups that she probably shouldn’t have said… but it wasn’t anything too crazy

[surreal raft]

its true im pretty sure the court said the ador employee won the case against min hee jin which makes her a liar they say

[stiff prairie]

The court case isn't finished yet. The fine she got was from ministry of labor and not for harassing the employee but for being impartial and asking the VP to raise objection to the investigation!

[radiant scaffold]

It's true, but its not the court case. People are confusing the two

[surreal raft]

https://x.com/cantatablack12/status/1904133224508637290

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https://t.co/V8jJIyCDkg

X · Mar 24, 2025, 11:28 AM

[frozen granite]

ohhh ok I was super confused thanks for clarifying

[surreal raft]

oh lord where the translation

[subtle matrix]

I think taly participating in hate trains is being blown out of proportion... but she also deactivated her twitter so impossible to verify now. But she definitely did some really bad stuff

[tardy smelt]

L after L

[radiant scaffold]

This could be used in the court case tho ig as an evidence for employee b

[stiff prairie]

Also btw apparently court said that vp was not sexually harassing the employee in the VP vs employee case as she said in the story

[surreal raft]

so did min he jin acuse staff of stuff like what?? i never heard anything

[potent lichen]

You’re sharing links from an anti. Be careful

[stiff prairie]

Collect them all like pokemons

[frozen granite]

So who is being painted as a liar here ?

[radiant scaffold]

It's not the court, and the ruling is its currently inconclusive, not that he didn't do it

[stiff prairie]

Not abuse but being impartial and favoring the VP over the employee

[surreal raft]

https://x.com/TheFlopKpop/status/1904141325282541666 can someone explain this for me is it true or do we not know??

Flop Kpop (@TheFlopKpop) on X

Min Heejin is now formally and legally guilty of abusing an employee

X · Mar 24, 2025, 12:00 PM

[storm warren]

lmfao

[frozen granite]

So the employee was claiming she was being sexually harassed , but court said they weren’t ?

[stiff prairie]

Someone said that Jeff wrote on a billboard article that it was deemed not as sexual harassment. I could be wrong since I didn't see the article itself. But the employee's story also says what they said

[radiant scaffold]

Employee B's story states that sexual harassment was inconclusive. He wasn't cleared.

[frozen granite]

Someone please fact check if I’m correct

[radiant scaffold]

Likely the evidence they had wasn't enough to prove it as a definite

[subtle matrix]

There were 3 claims by employee B:

• Failure to do an impartial investigation by MHJ
• Workplace harassment by MHJ
• Sexual harassment by VP

First one was granted, second one was partially granted, 3rd one was not granted. Not granted does not mean "it did not happen", it just means the labour office could not determine it happened

[stiff prairie]

#1231839760759263232 message
How are u interpreting the 5th point here?

[frozen granite]

Thank you

[surreal raft]

what is vp??

[frozen granite]

Vice president I think

[potent lichen]

Click bait articles are so scary and people believe it

[stiff prairie]

Ok so couldn't determine doesn't necessarily mean didn't happen. Interesting

[radiant scaffold]

The terminology would have been "didn't rule sexual harassment" if he had a clear chit imo

[storm warren]

its this

[radiant scaffold]

But I think the nature of harassment she described is hard to prove as sexual harassment most of the times cause it's very circumstantial.

Not to downplay the experience but yk

[stiff prairie]

Too many sweats man. I'd rather stick to worrying about the girls only ig

[radiant scaffold]

Oh and someone asked earlier if the new CEO got fined as well. Well not her personally, but ADOR did get a fine as well. Good for employee B honestly.

[storm warren]

was it in article? havent paid attention

mhj statement https://x.com/kkokkoheehee/status/1904179081664749671

Liberty🧢🕯️ (@kkokkoheehee) on X

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https://t.co/XIF4UwMnOT

X · Mar 24, 2025, 2:30 PM

[radiant scaffold]

It's in the chosun article

[craggy skiff]

wow. My feeling getting worse by read this sh.
how can this conclusion be considered as mhj being convicted of supporting sexual harassment 💀

[sage venture]

even the fine hasn’t been finalized yet Looks like someone just had to release it at this particular time lol

[frozen granite]

Can someone translate ? I used chatgpt but it butchers it

[storm warren]

hybe making sure public sentiment remains against njz so they can force them to go back

[frozen granite]

Or just send a brief summary of that it is saying

[rain spade]

So... mhj won ?

[frozen granite]

Oh that was not what chatgpt said at all thank you

[stiff prairie]

heck no

[craggy skiff]

well... do you use the correct link?

[stiff prairie]

but i doubt gork too cause look at the last line. how can the statement be originally published on march 24, 2023?

[craggy skiff]

I thought the x post is about mhj and B court case

[frozen granite]

We need a ktokki let me see if I can get someone to translate then

[subtle matrix]

I think that is a mistake, should be "march 24, 2025"

[night niche]

hey yall i finished my first paper about the south korean judiciary and how it affects NJZ’s case that was requested yesterday

[stiff prairie]

the link is correct but i think gork butchered it too. don't trust my ss

[frozen granite]

You’re so helpful omg

[rain spade]

what's happennig suddenly with mhj

[frozen granite]

It has to do with the vp & employee case

[craggy skiff]

because when read that post, it only mention about mhj and B case.
newjeans is not relative
How could gork cook something like this summary

[night niche]

im gonna finish my other judiciary paper and then make another paper going more in depth about mhj, then make a google drive with all the papers i’ve created so far so thats its accessible to all of you

[frozen granite]

Yall are going to make great lawyers I swear

[night niche]

note that all the links here are just sources, nothing malicious. it’s just something i lacked in my other papers

[stiff prairie]

ok this is google tl from the link mentioned in the twt post

[stiff prairie]

i think the twt poster messed up the screenshots. i told gork to tl the ss not the link mentioned in the post

[night niche]

here’s both of them together now

oh crap i forgot to put my signature on the second one 💔

[night niche]

mental illness 💀

[copper current]

I think the lawyer need to concentrate on how the current ador is sabotaging the girls and separate ador before and after mhj. They should list out what the current fraudor did to damage the girls. If team bunnies and fans can arrange the evidence for NJZ then that would be great. We need strong arguments to counter the arguments of Fraudor and Hybe. They say if they let NJZ win then it will affect the music industry then we should argue: If these bully and fraud tactics of companies are used with bad toxic environment and copy, paste culture the Korean music will be destroyed. Further, the workers and artists mental health should be cared for or else more suicides and painful consequences will happen for the employees. Also, argument such as moral standards should be considered. With bully and fabricated evidences to twist facts are used to win, this teaches Korean youth and companies that being evil is the key for success. This wi affect Korea society moral standards and affect the judge family as well as future generations, more thugs will be produced. They should also provide evidence that the opinion of Korean organizations should not be trusted because all of them belong to Hybe. That means one side of opinion with subjective views. That is not what the entire industry thinks, that is Hybe thinks. They should point out that if NJZ is treated unfairly more and more Korean youth will fall victims to these evil companies including future Korean generations or the judge’s offspring

I know some of you may argue it is the work of lawyer of NJZ but you can see that the arguments are not enough. We have a lot of smart bunnies with good analytical and argumentative skills. If some of our talented people can step up and assist the girls and their lawyers, give them some ideas and thoughts that you observe and know then ding ding it may inspire and give them some important ideas to win the case. It is the same for team Bunnies who stepped up and assisted the girls.

[atomic echo]

I have one that’s even worse lmao they just typed an entire chapter to me on Facebook and I wish you could read it

[copper current]

Sometimes the evidences are enough but how to categorize the evidences, emphasize things, counter the arguments of the judge can change everything

[hollow sorrel]

https://x.com/NewJeans_jp/status/1904005254636581027

I wonder if it was originally planned under NJZ, so ADOR took credit for it or???

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X · Mar 24, 2025, 3:00 AM

[copper current]

It is confusing since they took credits and said that they helped the girls, the lawyer should do a better work separating the credits who did what and debunk all of the work they claimed they did for the girls

Debunk all of the lies that they did instead of just presenting evidences. They should analyze things and pointed out the lies

[subtle matrix]

I understand that you, like many other fans, want to support the girls, but please don't do this. The last thing the lawyers need is a bunch of teens who have no idea how a trial works trying to uncover evidence by themselves. Doing that is how you open them to more lawsuits. Their legal team knows what to do and will have the power to subpoena all the evidence when the lawsuit is underway.

[copper current]

I don’t mean that. I mean arrange evidences and give them our thoughts and they can read and pick ideas from that

[subtle matrix]

Talk to people on social media if you think the prevailing narratives are false, correct misleading information, etc. Don't try to mess with the legal proceedings

[storm warren]

one of the top3 law firm getting paid to do their job. i think they should not need our advice

[copper current]

I just think the evidences are strong but they did poorly in term of arguments. They just didn’t point things out and presented the arguments to counter lies which made the girl lose

[subtle matrix]

Forget the idea of "arranging evidence". Evidence presented in court needs to be acquired through the correct means. You are not going to find evidence.

[hollow sorrel]

last SPUR was Minji Hanni released in January, so what if there was for Danielle or something and ADOR strategically tries releasing it so that it makes the GP think that NewJeans are back in ADOR again?

[storm warren]

Magazines are usually sponsored by brands

Celine is pre contract brand deal via ADOR, so they will be included ig

[copper current]

I didn’t say I collected it. Why did you assume that. I mean just arrange what was presented and gave them the thought and idea. You may not want to do it but some people who are smart may have good ideas

[storm warren]

unless brand deals expire, you will see CFs and brand sponsored magazines posted by ador. njz will fulfill obligations imposed by the brands

[night niche]

facebook is actually such a wasteland so im not surprised at all 😭

[storm warren]

Unless this is Omega which was done without ador, however, they would still need to include ador in calculation due to court order

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/kumachan982/status/1903973652460409145

[narrow seal]

250324 Kuma🧢🐰💙🩷💛💚💜 (@​kumachan982) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/kumachan982/status/1903973652460409145
Judge Kim Sang-hoon’s Arbitration Style and Its Risks in HYBE vs. NJZ：

1. in Korea Zinc vs. Young Poong
   Kim Sang-hoon acted as a referee, ensuring neither side gained full control too quickly.
   His approach worked because both sides had comparable resources to continue fighting.

[hollow shore]

well I will say it then....the experience was not sexual harassment at least not what the person described. They claimed an exec said it would be better to have a woman and man, rather than a man and man, to go to some dinner with advertisers who represented a cosmetic brand. I.e. women use cosmetics and it is best to get the perspective of a woman. Korea has a bunch of weirdness around feminism and gender stuff lately and I feel like people blew this out of proportion, just because it involved MHJ. So many comments I read from Koreans in Korea said the incident was offensive because you shouldn't assume a woman would have any more or less experience about make up. Anyway, I think it is a cultural issue I don't get.

[short laurel]

it does look on purpose. mhj laywer giving the warning in the end forposting misinformation lol

[dapper root]

damn mhj workplace bully

tough look

[opaque torrent]

https://x.com/thegreatgaram/status/1904212196953096332?s=46

XOXO 🤍 GG (@thegreatgaram) on X

Results from the Ministry of Labor & and Employment regarding the allegation that Min Hee Jin covered up a sexual harassment case.

X · Mar 24, 2025, 4:42 PM

[opaque torrent]

Source: the person’s spin after failing to prove anything was covered up

[dapper root]

so they cant confirm workplace sexual harassment but she still committed acts that fall under workplace harassment

[opaque torrent]

I always post links and screencaps from the article btw

[opaque torrent]

Yeah she called her names in a private kakaotalk bc she thought she filed a false report

The kakaotalks wasn’t even to the “victim” btw

[dapper root]

instead of just believing victims

damn

[opaque torrent]

Why? The victim lied in her report… she said MHJ disapproved of the dinner and framed it as some weird blind date but she was quoting MHJ out of context so MHJ couldn’t believe her sexual harassment claims

[opaque torrent]

Lmao this is the so-called victim’s spin. MHJ is cleared of interfering with any investigation https://x.com/thegreatgaram/status/1904212199452901637?s=46

XOXO 🤍 GG (@thegreatgaram) on X

1. The Ministry of Labor & Employment concluded that Min Hee Jin did not commit any acts of a “cover up."

X · Mar 24, 2025, 4:42 PM

You don’t the whole story, you just determined all of this from the accuser’s IG story? Like she doesn’t have an agenda?

[dapper root]

yeah thats fine she didnt try to cover up anything

but the courts said she committed workplace harassment and she did

so gotta respect the courts ruling

[opaque torrent]

Talking shit abt ur coworkers in text messages after they did something shady. Something NO ONE has ever done in their lives lol She filed an appeal, as she should

Imagine if shit talking ur boss is workplaces harassment. What a dystopian take

[blazing sky]

yeah i wouldnt consider mhj to be a saint tbf i mean think of the culture and society in korea when it comes to working, she is a genius when it comes to trends and marketing and branding but at the end of the day a ceo is a ceo- she could be better than others she could be worse than others but none of us know bc none of us is ador staff

[dapper root]

don’t you think assuming someone putting in a false sexual harassment report is a judge of character isnt mhj supposed to be for the girls and a feminist icon?

and talking shit about them behind their back

i thought it was girls helping girls 😭😭

[opaque torrent]

to acknowledge mhj's "workplace harassment", you have to be okay with your boss hacking your personal devices, invading your privacy and publicizing your unfiltered thoughts and then charging you for those mindless, off the cuff thoughts. what a completely boneheaded take

[dapper root]

hacking they had a warrant?

they launched an investigation

[opaque torrent]

i think believing people at face value brings more harm than suspecting them of false reports after they literally lie about what you said to frame your employee

[copper current]

Nice argument

[blazing sky]

https://tenor.com/view/soccer-funny-gif-26484148

[copper current]

Mhj is so good with arguments and the lawyer helped her. The lawyer needs to do better for NJZ

[subtle matrix]

I just want to say I love when you show up in this thread

[blazing sky]

damien is the voice of reason every time i see him in here

[dapper root]

https://tenor.com/view/homelander-homelander-smile-homelander-intergalactic-the-boys-intergalactic-reaction-gif-26616836

this has never happened to me before

you guys usually want me dead

[subtle matrix]

Don't let it get to your head the admin role is doing most of the work

[dapper root]

okay there it is 😭

[blazing sky]

dont like mhj = fake fan
its okay to critisize ceos no matter who they are

https://tenor.com/view/newjeans-new-jeans-bubblegum-bubble-gum-hanni-gif-5746364341313937242

[dapper root]

in this situation i just think its very ironic

irony is a beautiful thing

[opaque torrent]

lets recap. the employee accused the vp of sexually harassing her over a remark he said to persuade her to go to a WORK dinner with one of their clients/advertisers.

she filed a report, never mentioning that it was work dinner. portrayed it as a casual gathering with drinks and said the VP and the client abandoned her after getting her drunk; made it seem like the VP was setting her up on a blind date with the client. in reality, after she had dinner, she went to tour the space of his business.

in her report, to frame the vp as a sexual harasser and was doing something unrelated to work, she said mhj was against the dinner, but what mhj said had nothing to do with this dinner. https://x.com/thegreatgaram/status/1839899330964332863

XOXO 🤍 GG (@thegreatgaram) on X

As there was no evidence, MHJ shared why she doubted the report, based on other factors:
- B quoted MHJ, making it seem like MHJ disapproved of the dinner
- she portrayed a pre-scheduled work dinner with a client whose account she'd been managing as a informal drinking party

X · Sep 28, 2024, 5:25 AM

[opaque torrent]

are you a woman?

[blazing sky]

i am

[night niche]

oh my whats going on

[opaque torrent]

did i ask you

[blazing sky]

oops mb g

[night niche]

i like hearing your opinion on things even if i don’t necessarily agree with it

[dapper root]

the irony comes from that the girls are so against harassment in the workplace yet mhj does the same thing

its a tad bit ironic

which im not saying the girls and mhj are one person

[subtle matrix]

I would simply not go into the "try to discredit a possible victim of SA" phase of the NJZ defense

[opaque torrent]

so the person whos telling women what to do/how to feel is not a woman and is trying to encourage hate against a female CEO. thats ironic.

[dapper root]

they are entirely separate units

[dapper root]

when did i do this

[blazing sky]

i think that needs to be said during every conversation lol

[opaque torrent]

just now ❤️

[dapper root]

it does people forget!

[night niche]

this reminds me i need to work on my mhj document

[blazing sky]

https://tenor.com/view/domgcat-donkeycat-gif-24380643

[dapper root]

SOOOO TRUE

[opaque torrent]

the charge was never SA; if you keep being dishonest like this, it only hurts victims

[dapper root]

the charge was workplace harassment

lets get the straight

[opaque torrent]

mhj btw also acknowledged work place harassment which hybe PR did not. which was why she reprimanded the VP after she heard the employee out

[dapper root]

i do just think its bad to not stand with victims first but instead talk shit about them on kkt but thats just me tho

[opaque torrent]

anyway, i guess youre okay with your boss violating your privacy and monitoring your personal business. if you're willing to die on this hill, that's not my business.

[subtle matrix]

Employee B accused the VP of sexual harassment though? Am I getting this wrong?

[opaque torrent]

you said SA=sexual assault. assault is more than harassment.

[subtle matrix]

Ah yes that is correct

[night niche]

yes this is an important thing to not get mixed up

[opaque torrent]

harassment could be a microaggression like an unsolicited opinion on her appearance to something more nefarious

[subtle matrix]

Legit mistake

[opaque torrent]

thank you for acknowledging

[subtle matrix]

I would simply not go into the "try to discredit a possible victim of sexual harassment" phase of the NJZ defense

[copper current]

Mhj is so good with arguments and the lawyer helped her. The lawyer needs to do better for NJZ

[blazing sky]

i mean off topic but the same thing happened with the melanie martinez fandom, bro they became super sleuths to discredit a victim and id rather also our fandom not do that/be known for that

[opaque torrent]

i would prefer to get all the facts before i default my allegiance esp when that allegiance enables invasion of privacy and media manipulation

[night niche]

that was actual madness

[blazing sky]

but thats a different can of worms lololol

[opaque torrent]

anyway if thats the hill y'all dying on, not my ish

[dapper root]

you said this already

[short laurel]

court didn;t said anything it was ministyr of labour who said it.

[dapper root]

which is a court system?

you file a claim?

and it goes through what exactlyv

THE COURTS!!

ding ding ding!!

[subtle matrix]

Don't ruin it

You let it get to your head

[blazing sky]

https://tenor.com/view/saul-goodman-meme-speech-bubble-saul-goodman-gif-25296783

[dapper root]

ur right i gotta humble it down

[night niche]

alr lets calm down with the sass 💀

[blazing sky]

lolol jkjk kidding /j

[subtle matrix]

This wasn't a court deliberation

[atomic echo]

i dont respond to antis anymore

[dapper root]

njz need saul

[blazing sky]

THIS!!! he'd save them

[dapper root]

ur profile scares me is that a.i

who is that donte divencenzo?

[night niche]

would i be allowed to post a google drive link here

[blazing sky]

is it all the files u wrote bc i wanna read

[night niche]

yep yep

it’d make it easier for me since im creating more

[atomic echo]

its me

[short laurel]

it was ministry of labours investigation, also there's no confirmed fines yet. it's still ongoing and will be used in the court battle betwen mhj and B.

i would stand with employee B if she wasn't so inconsistent with her story. though i not rememebr details now. but it's really weird she didn't go after hybe/ador or VP but is targettign MHJ so hard.

[blazing sky]

i mean was she the ceo during that time

i also dont keep track of every single thing that happens im sorry 😭 its a book report atp of everything that happens

[short laurel]

MHJ was yea and she did scold VP but she just told him to question it as both sides should be heard on such accusations. it was hybe HR(now ador ceo) who concluded it was nothing. yet since very start B didn't say anything to VP or HR but keep attacking MHJ. not saying MHJ is saint but in this case hard to trust B. besides all the B claims came to nothing according to minitry of labours investigation. just those kkt messages leaked by hybe.

[night niche]

MOEL (ministry of employment and labour) isn’t a type of court and doesn’t operate through the judicial system
instead it is a government administrative body, and it’s responsible for labor policies, workplace rights, and other things of the sort

[dapper root]

oooo

[night niche]

yep yep

[short laurel]

the same mnistry who said idols are not workers and hybe is top company dispite all the documents on hybe released by national assembly.

[atomic echo]

if the girls trust MHJ so do I 🤷

[dapper root]

i wouldnt trust mhj

[night niche]

that’s why the employee filed a lawsuit separately if im correct

[short laurel]

yea. that battle still ongoing.

[dapper root]

haven’t before wont now

[vocal sable]

wait did something happen with mhj today because ive seen a lot of things about her being charged for something

[short laurel]

it's not about trusting mhj for me. just there's been no solid proof of MHJ doing anything in bad faith throughout this battle that is known to public.

[short laurel]

not charged, still under dispute. https://x.com/thegreatgaram/status/1904212196953096332

XOXO 🤍 GG (@thegreatgaram) on X

Results from the Ministry of Labor & and Employment regarding the allegation that Min Hee Jin covered up a sexual harassment case.

X · Mar 24, 2025, 4:42 PM

[blazing sky]

i mean we talk about her so much but where has she been lately? is she still even in contact with them? i havent heard ab anyone seeing her at complexcon
what would happen if (lets hypothetically say) the girls do break off but dont work with mhj and have a different director. will everyone still follow her?

[atomic echo]

if shes not with them i dont have any reason to follow her

[short laurel]

MHJ has her own fandom. she's famous for her work since SM days. and many follow all her work, that includes some bunnies too.

[vocal sable]

i have very mixed feelings about mhj, obviously she isnt PERFECT and definitely isnt above criticism and rightfully receives criticism for some things she has done however i hate when people pin that on the girls and bring up things she has been involved in that has nothing to do with the girls. but what i also feel is that if the girls trust her and have a good relationship with her then im happy and i dont have any negative feelings towards her in the context of her working with the girls, because at the end of the day we dont know what goes on behind the scenes and how much support she is giving the girls but the girls obviously have so much trust in mhj so i trust her too

[short laurel]

i do think MHJ is emotional and dramatic person going by what she's shown to public.
and yea women are called manipulating when her groups support her but everyone praise male producers when their idols almsot always have problems with them (LSM, JYP as other examples)

[strange dove]

She is likely keeping distance during this period to avoid collusion during the trial

[vocal sable]

this document actually gave me a whole new perspective on things, i never even thought of it this way tbh

[short laurel]

problem i have with her past criticism is i have yet to c any solid proof of them or any idols or employees speak of it.

[vocal sable]

i feel the same about this

[night niche]

im glad it did!

[blazing sky]

i think more tokkis need to talk about not agreeing with mhjs actions and shouldnt be afraid to. i mean, from an outside opinion, our fandom dies on many hills good or bad for "the sake of the girls" when things like the mhj workplace harrassment has nothing to do with them. its okay to disagree with things mhj does and still support the girls and their futures

[short laurel]

another problem i have with MHJ past criticism is even people who judge based on actual proof seem to hate her despite lack of any proof. people act almost as MHJ is cause of everything wrong with kpop

[night niche]

i think kpop fandoms in general just have a problem with approaching topics with the nuance it deserves

[blazing sky]

exactly!!

[night niche]

and media literacy is also a huge problem not just even in kpop fandoms but as we can see with the recent right political shift of things just with news in general

[vocal sable]

i totally agree with this, she isnt above criticism at all and gets rightfully criticized. the only
problem i have is when people use the things she has done as a weapon against the girls to make them look bad. like one thing that really annoys me is the whole ‘pedojeans’ thing, kpop fandoms just make one word and throw it around without even knowing what they are talking about. like??

[blazing sky]

i mean, i saw someone on reddit talking about how bangchan said something about being disrespected at an awards show, and never said a name, and many people came for IVE and accused them of bullying. then people in the comments were defending him and the ppl who called out IVE. wheres the energy for njz? the same thing happened, hanni never said a name, then people came for illit. its because our fandom dies on many hills that are wrong and shouldnt be defending esp if it doesnt have anything to do with the girls whatsoever so people discredit whatever tokkis say now sadly. we need to not be afraid

[night niche]

for example, i have a current research project im doing and i literally can’t use a single korean source on it because of how biased and unreliable most of the sources are, which is concerning because the korean general public cannot even have unbiased journalism

[blazing sky]

and a lot of fandoms are like that not just tokkis

[night niche]

omg im writing a doc on this too

[blazing sky]

i wrote an article for my school newspaper a while back when hanni spoke during the national assembly and oh my god it was so difficult

[short laurel]

pls tell me on what she is rightfully criticized for?

[night niche]

heres a summary, but i think im gonna fix some things

Calling NJZ “pedojeans" is problematic because it unfairly targets the group itself rather than the industry or individuals responsible for any concerns regarding their management, styling, or marketing.

If the issue is with how HYBE/ADOR has handled their image, the criticism should be directed at the company rather than the group members, who are minors or young adults without full control over their branding. Using such a term can also spread harmful narratives about the members themselves rather than focusing on structural issues in the K-pop industry.

If your concern is about the way younger idols are marketed, there are more effective ways to engage in the conversation—by discussing industry trends, ethical considerations, and the role of companies in shaping public perception.

[old ingot]

I read "PedoJeans" And I was so fucking scared that they did something who in the world would call it PedoJeans? that only targets the members... especialy after the last few episodes we've seen recently with KPoP stars being revealed as Pedos...

[dapper root]

you just posted that she got booked for workplace harassment yet say she hasn’t done anything in bad faith?

how that make sense

[short laurel]

it's ongoing battle, nothing is confirmed yet. do u even read ?

[vocal sable]

exactly. and i feel like its so weird to just throw the word pedo around completely disregarding the meaning of it. like where is this energy to the REAL pedophiles in the industry?

[old ingot]

1000% agree with this, in what world do we throw such heavy word at a group name, when it was never the GROUP that did something, especially meanwhile its only alligations. (Innocent untill proven otherwise) Also lets be real if there really was something, do we not think the members would've done something??? Do you really think NJZ would Dispute against ADOR and not MHJ? after she got removed from the company??? ((its of coures never certain she didnt do it, but if she did it will come to light when victim(s) do speak up, if there even are any)

[short laurel]

i am ready to listen if someone share an actual criticism against MHJ with proof. but no one has given me one yet.

[frozen granite]

I miss the time this channel didn’t exist

[vocal sable]

i was just talking about criticism that people give her in general, even if it isnt true, its when people use it against the girls.

[short laurel]

yea. i agree with you but i was not asking that. i m just curious if there's any proof of any 1 of the things mhj said to have done.

[vocal sable]

i agree with this. if those accusations were seriously true, i dont think the girls would be anywhere near her

[old ingot]

All I've seen with "Proof" (I havent checked up on this) but it was the fact that in MHJ's room or house, there should allegidly be a picture of "Drawn Child Pornography" or the artist whom made the painting she had, was known to make child pronography paintings. (A picture of MHJ with the supposed "Painting" in the background did also go around when people talked about it, but again I have not looked into whether or not this story is actually true or just to throw shade)

[vocal sable]

^^ yes i was referencing things like this, she received a lot of backlash for this and it got pinned onto the girls too

[short laurel]

the lady in picture was aroudn 21 or 23? somewhere around there when she filmed a movie. artists painted that

[old ingot]

Yea it wasn't the person on the painting to my knowladge, it was the artist himself atleast thats how the story goes

or how the story went around the places I heard about it (tiktok)

[vocal sable]

Is this about the brooke shields photo?

[short laurel]

she got it as gift and someone sued her over it but she won cuz nude artwork is a thing.

[old ingot]

Not certain, it was around a year ago I heard about it, and I didnt look further into it, I know MHJ has a lot of haters, so figured it was just people trying to ruin her and NJZs image, so I cant say for certain

[short laurel]

another is romio juliet but it's so iconic movie and we learned the problems about it so late but mhj did addressed it.

but i m more curious about the thigns she get hated for in her SM days. kpop fans of all groups hates her but i never seen solid proof of any of their claims.

[old ingot]

I think it was a picture close to this: but with the painting ion the background

again I am not certain at all, it was speculation back then and its around a year ago I saw and heard about it

[vocal sable]

i think the problem people had with that is both the actors were 15 and 16 and they actually sued paramount over the n3dity in this scene

[short laurel]

we learned about it so late. most of us thought they were adults until 2023 and we watched it when we were in school(weird now that i think about it).

[potent lichen]

All the idols she worked with before are on good terms with her and even idols like GDragon liked posts

[short laurel]

not just idols but everyone she worked with aside from hybe has good things to say about her.

[potent lichen]

Idols and the kpop industry can be very restricted when it comes to expressing themselves but when push comes to shove, people will say what they want.

Look at Jungkook and dog support post. People will find a way

[night niche]

mentally ill people on twt like calling them that

who would rather attack a group then address the actual pedophilia in the idol industry 🤷🏿‍♀️

[short laurel]

meanwhile people praise yg. he was so confident with his love story too

[potent lichen]

Not to be depressing, but actual worse stories are getting buried while MHJ is being used as a scapegoat

[old ingot]

Yea I mean doesn't suprise me now a days, there are just hate biases for some weird as reason, like why do you not just like your stuff and I like my stuff, and if anyone actually got exposed for being a pedo we have on them togehter?

[night niche]

right, this is basically because of the misogyny in the industry, they attack the women who have done lesser actions instead of the actual male perpetrators

it’s pretty common in korea and in the kpop community in general, and it’s sad

[old ingot]

Like why create hate between artists, if you dont like them ok? then dont lisent to them or watch what they do its really that simple, instead of going out of your way just to well be evil

[old ingot]

yeah it really is...

[potent lichen]

Like NJ and their parents are very involved. You can see all vlogs and pics of them with their families. Do you think 10 adults would let their kids near someone who they consider a threat

But MHJ is a master manipulator and groomer

[subtle matrix]

I completely understand that rn a lot of fans feel like the entire internet is attacking the girls, and feel like they need to unite around them and support them no matter what, but people also need to chill a bit and realise that unwaivering and unconditional support can be really f'ing toxic

[dapper root]

banger!!!!

[craggy owl]

Please, not China. Don't want them to get involved with the CCP in any way.

[night niche]

with the current political state of the US idk about them going here either

korean court system corruption

[neon igloo]

Guys, I think we all need to take a breath and listen to our favorite NJZ songs. Right now, there’s no point in debating court matters while everything is still ongoing

[cerulean lake]

i think it’s also bc the people working for these news corporations don’t wanna send in evidence or have a testimony that they were forced to do it bc of fear of retaliation, which was something that njz mentioned in their response to the injunction decision.

they need that type of evidence to really show that hybe was responsible for breaking down trust

[dapper root]

https://www.reddit.com/r/kpopthoughts/comments/1etqgmb/list_of_mhj_weird_and_creepy_behaviour_with_links/

you can look at the archive people have got

and form your own opinion

[neon igloo]

reddit is a worse source for that lol

[night niche]

oh heck’s no reddit 💀

[short laurel]

me: ask for proof.
him: sends reddit whose post is based on what people said online instead of proper source. 👏

[dapper root]

you can click the sources

that are linked in the thread if you want

reddit just has all of them in one place

[subtle matrix]

1. Asks for criticisms against MHJ with proof
2. Is given a whole list of them
3. Ignores it because it was posted on reddit

Do you want me to copy it here?

[short laurel]

yea i did. top is attention MV. the claims are strech

[short laurel]

yea cuz 1st things i read are strech.

[dapper root]

some could be a stretch some are not

[short laurel]

over clothes and lolipop

[copper current]

Guys, the media play is no joke. NJZ are treated like criminals while the real criminals Kin Soo Hyun articles are no where. I don’t believe in Korean laws at all. I don’t think NJZ will win. Just be prepared for another round of defeat and corruption. I s as m fed up with Korean corruption to the core. Someone please saves NJZ, some miracles please 🙏

[short laurel]

next hurt MV. again nothing there

[dapper root]

get to the sm part

[night niche]

3 point is invalid because nobody should have to click on reddit for anything as a source, it’s not irrational for anyone to not want to 😭

[cerulean lake]

My opinion: MHJ is of course not perfect and had some questionable moments but the type of outrage against her is sometimes blown out of proportion because of a pre-biased mindset towards her. It’s like people want to paint her as the worst villain ever because of their confirmation bias. The outrage towards her also sometimes feels misguided because people are using her to hate on NJZ. This then leads to Tokkis wanting to defend MHJ because of course they use her as ammo towards hating NJZ. Again, she definitely has flaws and can be questionable but the way people judge her based on certain things and refuse to look at other evidence that can dispute those allegations is also weird.

[short laurel]

1st thing on SM part. RV mv. since when was MHJ in-charge of videography there? and they had whole team but no one questioned it. are we sure MHJ put it?

[potent lichen]

I have same thoughts but I’m remaining optimistic until next month. I’m sure the girls are prepared for best case, ok case and worst case scenarios so we’ll see. They’re young and still have options

[night niche]

from what im reading every male ceo has done way worse than everything MHJ has been accused of in the reddit post

[neon igloo]

plus
Relying on “facts” from the internet is like reading a fan story. No one online can truly have 100% accurate information about a person they don’t actually know. It’s all based on subjective opinions and articles, so empty facts.

Any such “fact” can be spun in a negative or positive way depending on the author’s bias.

That’s why you shouldn’t form your opinion based on Twitter posts or a Reddit thread. At the very least, you could watch her interviews to recognize her talent in management. At best, look at interviews about her from other people and artists to better understand how she’s viewed.

No one ever claimed MHJ is a saint—but she is a professional in what she does

[shrewd badger]

😭 so many rich males get away with heinous crimes yet five young girls are ostracized and treated horribly by media

[night niche]

doesn’t mean she’s free of criticism, but just something to acknowledge

[short laurel]

2nd RV song icescream cake. cmon she didn't write that song.

RV rookie photoshop. same argument from illit. only lolita like thing is people's mind.

[subtle matrix]

Do your pdfs become worthless if you share them on reddit? The text is worth what it is worth, regardless of where it was posted

[dapper root]

she was the creative director

[lucid yarrow]

lol wtf all source just ppl posting pic what article what timeline r u really going believe this shit

[dapper root]

she literally helped create exos current logos and worked with fx shinee from debut 😭

[short laurel]

doesn't mean she controls everything. i need proper source that she was the one to put it. remeber they had whole team behind the MV.

[cerulean lake]

haven’t clicked on it because I don’t wanna go on a terrible app like reddit but are those sources actually good ones? i better not see some koreaboo/allkpop shit there

[short laurel]

Shinee topless photoshop. yea i agree this one was werid ut guys were adult not minors.

[night niche]

actually in the academic world quite literally yes 😭, let’s say for example i copy and paste an entire research peer reviewed journal onto reddit, even thought it’s legit because it was posted on reddit it loses its credibility. thats why you always get things from the most scholarly source as possible

[short laurel]

NCT dream 2016. guys looked younger. well that's korean culture. obsession with looking younger.

[subtle matrix]

I mean it is what it is. MHJ has had some questionable concepts for really young idols (among other things) but everyone makes their own conclusions

[night niche]

media literacy and the credibility of sources is important yall

[dapper root]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_Cream_Cake_(EP)

[cerulean lake]

Yes people will write “facts” based on how their perceptions towards her, which of course reinstates the fact that we really don’t know her as a person.

[neon igloo]

damien is too young boy, who can't distinguish fact from opinion
cmon, just look today's situtation. Court ruling can be interpreted in different ways.
In fact, there was no clear winner:

• Employee B was unable to prove the sexual harassment she had been publicly claiming in the media for months.
• MHJ, on the other hand, couldn’t prove that she never insulted the employee, as she did use negative language about her in private KKT messages.

There are no absolute villains or heroes here. Both sides came out of it with losses.
And yet, we see headlines like: "MHJ lost," "MHJ accused of harassment."
Is that fair? Of course no

[dapper root]

here is where it states shes a creative director

[dapper root]

mhj still got booked on workplace harassment

[craggy owl]

It seems everyone on the Internet except Tokkis is hating on NewJeans. I'm feeling quite dejected.

[dapper root]

thats a fact

[copper current]

I just hope this time a miracle will happen.

[short laurel]

15 year old sulli. ok give me source where it says mhj was the one who designed those fits for her.

[night niche]

look at all the love they got in hong kong, and 1M people were watching a bad quality live stream of their performance, most internet hate is just ecochambers

[neon igloo]

as I said, MHJ lost this court, Employee B too lost it

[dapper root]

employee b still won partially

[copper current]

I see the same pattern of bully. It was the same when Kim saeron was hated. The difference is NJZ did nothing wrong. They want to break the girls so badly. I am so worried about the girls.

[dapper root]

the proof is still she commited workplace harassment and she did

[cerulean lake]

I think that was some questionable thing too but I heard that Taemin wasn’t uncomfortable due to the fact that he had to be topless but actually because of how his body was gonna look. I think he was insecure and wanted to work out in the abdomen area before doing the photoshoot, but he wasn’t uncomfortable with doing it shirtless if that makes sense.

Again, this is what I saw so take it with a grain of salt 🤷🏻‍♀️.

[short laurel]

creative director: Min Hui-jin 🤣

[dapper root]

atleast she got some justice

[vocal sable]

i wouldnt trust anything in this thread when they are sexualising the girls consistently here

[neon igloo]

why did she win? She claimed sexual harassment and how she suffered from being harassed. In the end, no one acknowledged that this sexual harassment happened. She also lost

[copper current]

I think Hybe will win in the end. There will be no justice here. NJZ should definitely plan for international move

[high totem]

most people use hee but "희" can translate in a couple different ways, including hui

[short laurel]

the fact that battle is still ongoing and mhj is appealing on it.

[subtle matrix]

Oh you are lacking so much nuance there my friend

[copper current]

Korean corruption and injustice from the core and government

[dapper root]

just because one thing didnt get booked and the other did doesnt mean it was a loss 😭😭

[frozen granite]

Yappers

[dapper root]

it just proves she committed workplace harassment

[short laurel]

oo. even then it doesn't prove enough about ice cream cake. it took me forever to realise what it's lyrics were and she was not even the writer of the song

[potent lichen]

Reminder that no one here worked with MHJ directly and NJZ and their team have so they know her better than us

[night niche]

i’m just saying this from an objective academic standpoint

[cerulean lake]

Reddit users are the most hypocritical pieces of shit omg. They say not to bully one group but then call the girls names and slutshame them. They even bully their families and call their dumb or uneducated. Seems like only certain people want to call out tokkis though (even some people in this discord 👀)

[neon igloo]

It wasn’t "just one of many things"—it was the main topic in nearly every article about her and MHJ for months. And it turned out to be untrue

[dapper root]

but you know what was true

workplace harassment

the same thing the girls are trying to fight against

so why isnt the same energy being kept for this employee?

[short laurel]

private kkt chat that hybe leaked. lets be real tell me who here ot talk behind others back when they create problems.

[dapper root]

not leaked they launched an investigation

[high totem]

np just letting you know
im not too updated on the drama so idrk whats going on

[frozen granite]

Is everyone yapping about the mhj case still? Or did something else come up?

[dapper root]

thats how warrants work

[vocal sable]

SPOT ON! and the person says “in the hurt mv there is close ups on the members faces” like how can u turn that into something weird seriously? such innocent things but people have the most disgusting minds and always always have to be the problem

[potent lichen]

Danielle made a whole list of awful, abusive stuff she endured as a trainee but she doesn’t mention anything about MHJ treating her badly

[short laurel]

for girls it was directly shown micro harrashment, for mhj it was private kkt she was talking shit behind her back.

[short laurel]

yea cuz mhj wasn't incharge of trainee. she was part of somu though.

[subtle matrix]

You are in a server where people are discrediting someone who just got compensated for suffering workplace harassment by MHJ while decrying workplace harassment by HYBE against NJZ

[neon igloo]

Alright, even if we look at this situation from your point of view—that MHJ is a bad adult woman, why are you linking her case to NJZ’s situation?
How are these two situations connected?

[craggy owl]

That is true and comforting, yes

[short laurel]

"-15 year old Sulli from f(x) in 2010 for Oh! Boy" this point show me where it says that mhj decided her fits.

[dapper root]

im not linking them i just think its ironic

[neon igloo]

Both situations are bad and should not happen. It doesn't matter who knows whom, so its not ironic

[mild mist]

"there is close ups on the members faces" - like every k-pop music video ever?

[neon igloo]

But in real life discussing your employee's mistakes in private messages is normal practice

[night niche]

like you gotta be kidding me 💀

[subtle matrix]

It's ironic to see people so keen on discrediting one while trying to bring attention to the other

[vocal sable]

no literally 💀💀 like these arguments just sexualise the girls, like did they really have to mention hyein wearing a tube top in attention mv? is this A JOKE… like yes she wore a tube top like every other girl her age! wowww shocker

[vocal sable]

oh my god the thread also says “In the Attention MV their laptop falls to the ground as they’re on a video call and the people on the other end watch them dance”
that HAS to be a joke, are they going to make dancing weird now? wtaf

[elfin solstice]

cookie lyrics do be funky im ngl

[surreal raft]

I was listening to cookie yesterday and it felt weird listening to it

[subtle matrix]

At the end of the day we don't know any of these people. Good people do bad things, bad people do good things, assuming MHJ or NJZ or whoever will always be one or the other is denying them the possibility of making mistakes, it's denying them of their own humanity really

[short laurel]

cookie again. i have yet to c people who found cookie wrong own their on. everyone i know found cookie wrong cuz they heard from someone else.

[cerulean lake]

I’m not gonna act like people are better over the other but I was just talking about that specific situation regarding how only Tokkis are called out when other fandoms are bad as well.

I mean the same argument can be used against those Reddit people right? They’re so quick to believe any case of harassment when it comes to other groups/workers but be so quick to degrade NJZ’s arguments and say the worst things about them.

[night niche]

most of the problems they pointed out are just general problems in the kpop community and industry from what i took a glance at it

[surreal raft]

I remember listening to it for the first time and thought it was weird

[short laurel]

then u are the 1st one i heard from.

[surreal raft]

Wait what we talking about did someone say something??

[shrewd badger]

This server allows for people to have discussions at the very least , in Reddit you cannot even defend njz at all

[night niche]

and if they had a problem with this they should be questioning their own consumption and consider the ethics of the kpop industry instead of pushing their own feelings on to NJZ

[dapper root]

like this is what im trying to get at 😭

[subtle matrix]

rn most people on reddit is riled up against tokkis. Next year it will be armys or mys or whatever. There are hypocrites in all platforms, all fandoms

[dapper root]

people go well she didnt get booked on this! so!

[cerulean lake]

Yeah try going on reddit. People here are actually willing to listen to opposing sides even if their opinions differ. Reddit just bans you if you have a hate vendetta against hybe

[neon igloo]

As we already know, many fandoms claim that what’s happening to NewJeans isn’t “enough” to define it as mistreatment by the company.
In my view, mistreatment should include any actions or words that cross a personal boundary toward someone.
If MHJ did insult an employee in private messages and crossed that line, then yes—she also serves as a negative example.

But I do want to point out that she didn’t do it publicly in the workplace, unlike what was done to Hanni

[frozen granite]

Question, why are people saying mhj called Njz fat? I never got this

[night niche]

reddit is an actual wasteland

[subtle matrix]

Reddit in general is terrible for discussion because of the upvote/downvote system. But also I can guarantee you a lot of people would very much like to prevent some of the discussion going on here lol

[surreal raft]

People took her messages and mistranslation it just bc they don’t like her

[cerulean lake]

idk but everytime i see you type here, i get a feeling you also think the girls weren’t mistreated or were acting out of line. i’m gonna be honest

[frozen granite]

What was the real translation?

[night niche]

from what i’ve seen it was an out of context ss from an unreliable source

[vocal sable]

i wont deny they are definitely weird from a certain perspective and i can see why people feel uncomfortable listening to this especially from first reaction, but i think its definitely about a cd, we even see the cookie turn into a cd at the end of the music video and if you read the lyrics again after understanding the meaning the girls are talking about baking the music or something like that. problem is the public who sexualised the song, especially because of the way the word cookie is interpreted in western countries. people just immediately jumped to the conclusion it was sexual, which i wont even lie i also did at first and everyone ive saw react to it felt the same. i honestly dont know where my view stands on cookie 😭

[lucid yarrow]

bc they never got updated info it will just keep spreading until we tell them is edit but will they believe it who knows

[frozen granite]

What was the context/correct translation?

[surreal raft]

it’s on nayeonditto on twt she showed the real translations im pretty sure!

[dapper root]

gotta hear more evidence because right now it aint looking good

[frozen granite]

Can someone link them ? Don’t have a twitter

[vocal sable]

u dont think mistreatment took place even without evidence?

[night niche]

literally i think nobody knows because it was probably pulled out of someone’s ass

[dapper root]

i dont know what goes on behind the scenes

[cerulean lake]

that’s what i’m saying. you are so keen on believing everything else and you also were quick to say that MHJ deserves to be criticized because she didn’t believe the victim at first. but then you say that NJZ needs more evidence for us to believe them? pick a side

[dapper root]

i believed njz at first

[surreal raft]

oh lord

[night niche]

you’ve gyatt to be kidding me bro 💀

[shrewd badger]

But the fact that you can still have a discussion stands unlike In Reddit. Foul words are constantly used against the girls on Reddit , whilst in this server rarely anyone even hates on other kpop groups.

[vocal sable]

why not now??

[dapper root]

now im conflicted

[frozen bronze]

they shouldnt need evidence to convince me or other actual fans, if you cant take their word for it i dont think you are actually a fan

the evidence is only needed in court

[short laurel]

pls don't use lia as source.

[night niche]

did the media get to you 😭

[dapper root]

the court records got to me 😭

[cerulean lake]

I think they took her messages criticizing BSH and framed it as her bullying the girls. I know it’s controversial bringing her up but one of Taly’s yt vid covered it pretty well and how it was inconsistent.

[night niche]

of the injunction?

[dapper root]

liasshy toxic tokki moment

[surreal raft]

May I know why?? Idk who she is

[shrewd badger]

If you're conflicted maybe you should just stay away from this topic

[hot girder]

look at our mods, we're never getting out of HYBE

[dapper root]

maybe

[subtle matrix]

Reminder that an independent party has actually ruled that MHJ was at least partially guilty workplace harassment vs employee B, while the same isn't true for hybe vs newjeans

[cerulean lake]

damien has always been conflicted. ever since april

[short laurel]

while she supports NJZ, she target other idols for the sake of fanwar without actual facts.

[surreal raft]

uh oh

[frozen granite]

Guys it’s ok to be conflicted, I also think it’s important to normalize being conflicted bc we don’t know 100%. I think NOT being defensive works & helps us understand better each other. At least imo

[dapper root]

i have been waiting for everything to unfold on its own

[night niche]

depends on what you’re conflicted about imo but we roll

[dapper root]

and as its unfolding now it doesn’t look good but still got alot of time to go

[night niche]

being “conflicted” has a lot of meanings

[vocal sable]

im so sorry what? this isnt like the courts where we need evidence to believe the girls, we NEED to trust them, are we really after everything going to trust the courts who are obviously going to side with these massive corps full of men, against 5 young girls in a misogynistic system? i dont think its fair to say they werent mistreated because there isnt enough evidence, i would rather trust them than believe these kpop companies who give zero damns about the idols and care about 💰

[frozen granite]

Just things we don’t know 100% on.

[dapper root]

the contracts are gonna be over by the time this ends 😭😭

[short laurel]

it depends as antiquity said but damien is almost always against everyone here.

[cerulean lake]

well yeah but even before the ruling was decided, you guys were all keen on believing the employee even if there were discrepancies in her story. of course, it doesn’t excuse MHJ but i find it hypocritical.

As for the girls, it’s like yall don’t believe them unless they bring out evidence

[lucid yarrow]

u going believe big corpo company not trying slander MHJ/NJZ every chance they get?

[night niche]

can i get an example

[frozen granite]

Lots of meanings to a lot of people

[fast snow]

Opened twitter (first mistake) and immediately saw a post slandering Hanni's My Boo performance

[subtle matrix]

You guys trust 5 teenagers who you've never met more than I trust my mother

[surreal raft]

guys guys slow down

[dapper root]

see but in the workplace thing

The evidence was shown

the text messages were evidence

[vocal sable]

why should i not trust them?

[dapper root]

and bam the rest is history

[neon igloo]

I like the girls' creativity and their personal qualities, not the created image. So I will believe in them until the end, regardless of the media background and what frador or HYBE is trying to impose on me

[high totem]

mhm, we don't know if mhj is a good person or a bad person
take everything on the internet with a grain of salt

[vocal sable]

absolutely im going to trust them, no one will ever catch me siding with these kpop companies, period.

[copper current]

I don’t care about mhj to be honest. I only care about NJZ.

[dapper root]

well lemons based on the recent labour board

[surreal raft]

this.

[dapper root]

we got a pretty good judgement

🙄

wrong emoji

[high totem]

ngl im not updated on any of this

[shrewd badger]

Between trusting them and hybe , id choose the girls anyday

[surreal raft]

Period

[frozen granite]

I’ll start by saying that I 100% support the girls by the way & do believe they have been mistreated. As for the example, I am not 100% sure the contract was still valid when Njz decided to terminate it. No one knows the entirety of the contract nor what happened behind curtains. We just go based on the evidence & counter evidence that’s being presented to us & we all form our own conclusions

[dapper root]

the employee B sexual harassment/workplace harassment case got disputed today and they found min heejin guilty of committed workplace harassment

[neon igloo]

and five teenagers are not stupid people. Don't be biased towards their opinions. They have been working since they were 12. They know a lot more than all the K-POP fans

[dapper root]

the other part is still ongoing

[short laurel]

we not have offocial announcement from ministyr of labour. it's just something employee B sent to media and mhj side said there's no confirmed fines yet and case is still disputed.

[subtle matrix]

Honestly you got me completely wrong. I don't believe literally anyone involved here lol at least not until they're proven to be telling the truth by court admissible evidence.

[vocal sable]

i dont like the emphasis on the word ‘teenagers’. what difference does it make if they were adults? infact, its worse that they are teeenagers and having to experience this which makes me want to stand with them and support them even more. i dont think the fact they are teenagers makes them any less truthful or easy to believe

[frozen granite]

Im just saying that in general, everyone in every single context cherry picks information (antis, hybe Stans, fandoms). It’s rare someone can be completely unbiased. That goes with everyone btw not just this situation

[dapper root]

https://tenasia.hankyung.com/article/2025032451714

[night niche]

exactly this you guys saying you’d rather side with a large zionist kpop company than the girls fighting against it or that you’re “conflicted” or not picking sides is kind of mad to me but that’s just me though

[high totem]

oh theres multiple

[dapper root]

Hee Jin received a fine in a workplace harassment case filed by a former ADOR employee, referred to as 'A,' with the labor ministry. The Western Branch of the Seoul Regional Employment and Labor Office, under the Ministry of Employment and Labor, recently sent 'A' an official case resolution notice stating, "The remarks and actions repeatedly directed by the perpetrator (Min Hee Jin) toward the complainant in October and December 2023 exceeded the appropriate scope of workplace interactions and caused physical and psychological distress, worsening the working environment."

[cerulean lake]

Everyday I feel like this fandom just falls apart even more and even tokkis are giving up on them. Smh. Need to take a break from this discord too.

[hot girder]

most mods are absent and the ones who do roam here from time to time, aren't even siding with the girls. I just have to laugh

[dapper root]

can i ask why are you siding with the girls not saying im not

[shrewd badger]

Not for me , I wasn't a fan of njz at all so whilst the whole situation was in fruition I kept an unbiased perspective. It was only recently I chose to trust them based on what I saw on both sides

[dapper root]

i want to hear your reasonings

[vocal sable]

is this satire?

[surreal raft]

I Stan with the girls since I’m a multi Stan all my favs are under hybe and I never see the company doing anything good for the groups I definitely believe something is going on behind the curtains especially with their chairman and his weird obsession minors

[frozen bronze]

damien going for his new worst message in this server

[dapper root]

i want the girls to be free but away from mhj

[subtle matrix]

Why should you? Everyone has their motivations here. Humans are nothing if not self serving. Personally I don't think anyone is outright lying about everything, but it's very likely that no one is being completely honest either

[dapper root]

im just asking a question

[frozen granite]

I get you & that’s valid tbh

[short laurel]

according to tenasia report. send me direct statement for ministyr of label. instead u sent one from tenasia

[hot girder]

because I love the girls and have been with them since day 1 to now doubt the things they're going through??? what kind of question is this

[vocal sable]

why should i not?

[night niche]

you guys gotta be kidding me

[lucid yarrow]

they r free they have nothing do with her now

[dapper root]

are we sure?

[cosmic belfry]

I believe the members for the treatment they received but the evidence is hard to come up with.

[night niche]

hmm why should i believe the girls fighting a korean corporate giant with huge media play

[dapper root]

so have i? I just want to focus more on the evidence

[dapper root]

this exactly

[frozen bronze]

you said you were conflicted, and now you believe them

[surreal raft]

omg are YALL serious?? Hybe is the evidence

[neon igloo]

keep calm mate, don't pay attention to those who are fans of the image of the group and not of the artist himself

[night niche]

exactly

[surreal raft]

Hybe is evil period more groups needs to get OUT of there

[subtle matrix]

I believe the girls feel like they weren't given the full respect they deserve. Doesn't mean I believe everything the girls say

[cerulean lake]

My stance too. I believe them but I agree that the evidence is going to be hard to get. However, some people are here saying that because there is NO EVIDENCE, they can’t be believed so far which I believe is BS

[night niche]

some of yall are like actually mad 💀

[dapper root]

im conflicted as a whole

its not so black and white

[lucid yarrow]

lol wtf unless u mean like talking to her privately/meeting means mind control

[frozen granite]

This !! Yall this !!!

[shrewd badger]

Do you trust hybe , or the evidence ador has ?

[neon igloo]

Any trial is not easy. Not all evidence is easy to confirm

[dapper root]

"Labor Office Results Notification
Today (March 24), I received the official notification from the Labor Office via registered mail. To keep things concise, I have numbered the key points below.
I sincerely thank everyone who has supported me. Many people have been curious about the results, and I have received numerous interview requests, so I am sharing this update. I appreciate your continued support.

1. (Complaint 1) Min Hee Jin was found guilty of violating her duty to conduct an objective investigation and has been fined.
2. (Complaint 2) Min Hee Jin’s workplace harassment (including verbal abuse) was confirmed, and she was fined accordingly. The recognized proportion of workplace harassment was 12%, and the fine imposed is a significant level of sanction, going beyond a simple warning.
3. I gave her four opportunities to apologize and end this, but she refused and instead filed a lawsuit against me. An apology is no longer needed.
4. I will continue to actively respond to both civil and criminal cases, particularly the lawsuit Min Hee Jin filed against me.
5. Regarding the external reinvestigation of workplace harassment and sexual harassment by the former vice CEO: workplace harassment was recognized, but sexual harassment was deemed inconclusive. The Labor Office also had no objections to this finding. No additional fines were imposed.
6. To all real workers, the vulnerable, and victims, fighting (stay strong)!"

[short laurel]

only thing i agree with u on today

[dapper root]

if you want to read that

[frozen granite]

Humans are complex. Black & white thinking is a cognitive distortion

[cerulean lake]

he totally trusts hybe rn bc he believes they have evidence

[night niche]

agree with this statement but not in the context you’re using it in

[vocal sable]

because its pretty obvious damien, 5 girls under a large company who only care about money come forward about mistreatment and these massive corps are already known for mistreating their idols and ONLY caring about money. regardless of evidence, you shouldnt believe hybe at all. i think its so weird you are even questioning believing the girls even after everything that they have gone through and fought for. they werent protected under hybe at all, that wasnt a safe space for them at all.

[dapper root]

and if you are gonna disregard it just because it comes from employee A then idk what to tell you

[craggy owl]

Yes, I am of course wary of them being used by adults, but the constant belittling of the girls by many on Reddit has been very off-putting to me

[frozen granite]

Do you guys think reality if subjective to some extent ?

[split bramble]

https://x.com/luenacore/status/1904203127949246685

luna ୨ৎ (@luenacore) on X

The SH case involving Employee B, VP "L" and MHJ has been lifted and dismissed. The court concluded that VP "L" did not engage in any SH and that MHJ was not involved in any "cover-up."

While some messages were deemed harassive, others were not. However, upon reviewing the

X · Mar 24, 2025, 4:06 PM

wait did mhj employee b stuff, who won?

[neon igloo]

it's ig stories, not the official notification from the Labor Office

[subtle matrix]

Reality is subjective period

[dapper root]

yeah the employee B stuff is still out

[short laurel]

ofc i'll disregard it when one side says she is fined and another said it's still disputed and not final. i'll only believe when ministyr of labor make official statement.

[dapper root]

employee A stuff happened

[frozen granite]

Well to some extent yes lol not everything …

[cerulean lake]

Reddit users always act like they’re super smart when they’re just like twt users with a higher word count. Just ignore reddit for now

[high totem]

reddit is weird

[dapper root]

so hearing it from employee A themselves isnt enough i guess

alright then

[frozen granite]

If I drop a banana, it will fall that’s reality. That wouldn’t be subjective

[vocal sable]

it makes me really sad and disappointed that some tokkis are still skeptical and siding with hybe because there is ‘not enough evidence’. are you guys really siding with these massive corps full of zionists and rich men who only gaf about money?

[hot girder]

Weren't you conflicted just a few minutes ago? you claim to side with NJZ, but at the same time doubt their proof and currently conflicted about everything as a whole. Also, what are you exactly conflicted on? If you truly supported them, questioning me about why I'm standing behind the girls shouldn't even be a question because you'd understand the place I'm coming from anyways... but if you say you trust them..

[subtle matrix]

If you drop a banana both the banana and the earth will move towards each other. It's subjective

[vocal sable]

having to even ask why we are siding with the girls shows you dont listen to anything they have said, period.

[dapper root]

at this point i side with the law

whatever that may be

[shrewd badger]

If you have a reference frame it won't be subjective?

[vocal sable]

the korean law that doesnt even see idols as workers? hm.

[dapper root]

im not gonna start sounding like a conspiracy theorist and talk about mediaplay

[cerulean lake]

the law is not always a good set point to side with. you’re gonna side w the legal system that lets rapists off with a few months in prison. good for you

[short laurel]

it is as your twt link says. B said mhj is fined. mhj said she is not fined and battle still on.

[subtle matrix]

But choosing the reference frame is subjective. I guess it depends what you mean by "reality"

[vocal sable]

no way people take the korean courts seriously after they dont even gaf about rapists anymore. research on the burning sun and that will tell u everything

[frozen granite]

Well what you said would be objective. Because that is what will happen. The gravitational forces would take place. That is objective

[dapper root]

they past a law last year about protecting idols weight loss and forcing plastic surgery a year ago

[vocal sable]

and that does what? 💀 bare minimum wow!

[dapper root]

yeah bare minimum to you and me

[cerulean lake]

and how many years did that take since the birth of kpop? 🎤

[dapper root]

but you gotta remember this is a totally different country

that you and me both dont live in 😭

[vocal sable]

does that make it okay?

[short laurel]

it is a little step forward in right direction but it took tooo long

[dapper root]

of course not!

[dapper root]

this acutally

rome wasnt built in a day

[vocal sable]

so your really going to side with the law no matter what?

[shrewd badger]

That doesn't change anything, it's still bad regardless

[hot girder]

siding with the law that supports predators and all sort of crimes that males commit? and you also won't talk about the same media that drives idols to the very edge? (same media that likes to harass the girls btw)

[neon igloo]

damien always acts like that.

And in general, there are fans who mostly just want to consume the content they’re given.
There are also fans who are unhappy with MHJ for various reasons, yet they somehow ignore the fact that the very songs they listen to and the performances they watch, were all created under her leadership

[dapper root]

no like i said its not that simple

[vocal sable]

ah yes guys i side with seungri because the courts said he didnt do anything bad, whatever the law says i guess!!

[short laurel]

ofc kpop 5 organisation are the biggest roadblock against laws for protecting idols

[cerulean lake]

their age of consent was 13 until like a few years ago. does that make it okay?

[dapper root]

its a case by case basis

[dapper root]

of course not

im not siding with the law no matter what

[shrewd badger]

Your starting to contridict yourself

[subtle matrix]

It's possible to hope NJZ are right but being open to the possibility that they're not

[dapper root]

i am just going to respect the courts decisions

[vocal sable]

what?

[dapper root]

i guess i misspoke there

[cerulean lake]

“at this point i side with the law”

[vocal sable]

LMAOO

[dapper root]

my fault mis input!

in njz’s current case i just hope the next injunction they have more solid evidence

[lucid yarrow]

the law is not black and white either

[short laurel]

like we discussed yesterday, i think both sides made mistake. ofc we have hybe ceo saying things so for me hybe is mroe wrong but yea girls made mistakes like being too quick to terminate

[dapper root]

i want to be proven wrong trust me

[shrewd badger]

You can't just say that 😭 you built a whole argument using that, atp your just backtracking

[cerulean lake]

ok this i agree with

[dapper root]

because right now the evidence aint good!

[vocal sable]

absolutely, and i can agree. but personally for me i dont need evidence to believe them anymore

[cerulean lake]

I wish they have more solid evidence but i don’t need that for me to trust them. That’s the difference.

[dapper root]

see thats the scary part to me

its quite complex

[vocal sable]

if u trusted them it wouldnt scare you

[subtle matrix]

but why would you blindly trust someone

[shrewd badger]

Do you believe in ador/hybe

[cerulean lake]

I mean if you got a whole bunch of their old employees siding with them and also leaving Ador, are you not gonna trust them too?

[vocal sable]

why would u trust hybe?

[dapper root]

its this

[short laurel]

thing that make most of us trust girls more is how so many media attacking girls alone while barely puttign any news about hybe. it's just us seeing how media does things and that made many of us side with girls.

[subtle matrix]

I F*CKING DON'T

[vocal sable]

so pick a side then, calm down

[dapper root]

you cant just pick a side

[subtle matrix]

Brother why do I need to pick a side

[dapper root]

like you already said its not so black and white

[dapper root]

whats with the triablism

both parties are guilty of mediaplay also not just hybe

but thats another topic

[cerulean lake]

It’s fine to not pick a side but I think it becomes discouraging when y’all keep saying that NJZ can’t be completely believed and need evidence while edging that HYBE is so far on the “right” side. Plus saying all that in the NJZ discord too 🤣

[dapper root]

i can elaborate if yall want

[vocal sable]

what?

[shrewd badger]

You don't need to pick a side , but you choose to come into this server for a discussion

[frozen granite]

This chat is getting out of control omg

[short laurel]

girls side directly made statements while hybe side so much said by media indirectly. how is it mediaplay by both sides ?

[subtle matrix]

If tomorrow HYBE came out and said "hey everyone. we f'd up. we mistreated NJZ and we are letting them walk" I'd be like "cool"

If tomorrow NJZ came out and said "hey everyone. we f'd up. ador didn't do nothing wrong and we are going back" I'd be like "cool"

[shrewd badger]

Hey have you had discussions with people who believe in hybe or ador ?

[dapper root]

the njz press conferences the things they also say to the media the livestreams

[subtle matrix]

Yes

[dapper root]

that can all be considered mediaplay

[vocal sable]

the difference is its all true

[dapper root]

both parties arent stupid

[shrewd badger]

To the extent you have done here ?

[dapper root]

how

[vocal sable]

how is it not?

[cerulean lake]

And that can also be considered speaking up for themselves especially if a whole billion dollar conglomerate is making the media write false things abt the members

[dapper root]

okay

[short laurel]

girls said things directly. i m talking about how media said so much things without any source. and even covered up for hybe. look at difference between 2.

[subtle matrix]

Probably more here than outside, I'd say 60 here/40 outside

[dapper root]

the girls also speak to reporters

and a bunch of news outlets

[shrewd badger]

Have you also asked them questions about why they support hybe/ador ?

[dapper root]

you think the interviews are just for us?

[short laurel]

yea and it's all been directly by girls. but tell me who is the source of girls tempering that dispatch posted and ador used in their court ppt.

[subtle matrix]

Obviously I've discussed both perspectives

[cerulean lake]

I mean how else will they have their word spread out? I would too if the media is being inflated by HYBE’s viewpoints.

[shrewd badger]

What did they say ?

[dapper root]

the debut hybe first gg thing kinda goes back to mhj stealing most of the girls from source

landing source in tons of trainee debt

[short laurel]

am i exaplinign it wrong or damien jsut not getting it what i mean

[cerulean lake]

didn’t she just take minji? he’s misinformed

[shrewd badger]

Source ?

[dapper root]

pretty sure haerin also trained for a bit

even in the videos weren’t like most of them there?

[short laurel]

cmon u believe that? seriously? somu didn't want to debut girls but mhj wanted to, so hybe offered her to create ador to debut them. atleast get your facts right

[cerulean lake]

didn’t she also compensate the debt?

[short laurel]

somu was compensated properly. hybe gave them more money too.

[hot girder]

You can dislike MHJ while acknowledging her work with NJZ has been splendid. But calling yourself a fan while being "conflicted" about the situation is crazy.

The judge is the one who needs pages of proof and arguments to make a decision. (Alleged) fans like you and I don't need that because, for whatever reason that may be, we trust the idols. You're doubting your idols getting mistreated and shit on by their company? Especially when you say you're siding with the law, who hasn't stated that the girls arguments are false, they are simply not enough at the moment. So if after all that you're deciding that you are doubtful about the girls and their situation, you are trash and definitely not a fan anymore

Also mhj never stole trainees from source lol, she got the girls AFTER they got replaced for another group. Looks like someone ate up their misinfo lunch

[dapper root]

so what your saying is you blindly trust the girls

is what im getting from that

[vocal sable]

did u even read?

[lucid yarrow]

stealing.....

[cerulean lake]

seriously why are they mad at us for wanting to be fans and trusting them 😭 is that not common fan behavior? the same thing can be said to those hybe fans

unless there’s some evidence that NJZ was completely lying and acted all in bad faith, ill change my mind

[dapper root]

i did

[short laurel]

u sure blindly trusted the mediaplay of stealing.

[vocal sable]

are u even a fan?

[dapper root]

wait i forgot she did pay the debt back

[lucid yarrow]

u really need get MHJ NJZ apart in ur head man

[dapper root]

but putting somu in that postion in the first place kinda sucks for somu

[shrewd badger]

Are you serious, you backtrack your words and now you forgetting information?

[short laurel]

somu itself n bsh put themselves in that situation. they were not goign to debut girls anyways

[cerulean lake]

well maybe they shouldn’t have lied to her abt not letting her make her gg then

[dapper root]

i guess so

source just wanted to spend a bunch of money to buyout woolim contracts

[cerulean lake]

she only created ADOR bc she couldn’t debut her group under SOURCE (which that stank BSH promised)

[dapper root]

so it couldnt have been cheap

[surreal raft]

Hate that man

[short laurel]

it was bsh who wanted to. and made source do it

[vocal sable]

the fact minji had to drop her educations because they told her to, and then told her she couldnt debut? like WHATT??? sorry but what did u expect, thank god mhj ‘stole’ her

[dapper root]

also its just timing wise right after they removed mhj they started the process

[frozen granite]

they did? I didn’t know this

[short laurel]

they told ehr to drop her education but minji didn't drop out, she completed her education

[dapper root]

which is strange but

timing i guess

[shrewd badger]

You are so close to figuring it out

[short laurel]

remember girls give them 14 days warning month be4 that

[cerulean lake]

bc MHJ was the only one protecting them or they trusted her? of course this whole thing is gonna start after they removed her 😭

need to edit it otherwise they’re gonna call me a MHJ glazer and defender

[surreal raft]

I don’t like mhj I can admit that but I also can admit she’s the only person who can save these girls from that stank ass man they wouldn’t got any freedom if it wasn’t for her

[short laurel]

from emotional prospective. unfortunately from legal prospective it become a problem for girls in injunction.

[shrewd badger]

All the benefits they got from ador was thanks to her as well not hybe

[dapper root]

i dont think mhj is the only person that can save them

[subtle matrix]

There's a few different groups.

There's the group that doesn't believe NJZ's side because they think the only real issue here is MHJ vs HYBE, and MHJ has orchestrated everything while NJZ is being dragged along

There's the group that doesn't believe NJZ's side but also believe NJZ are an equal party with MHJ, and the girls and their families are also looking for a bigger cut than they're getting with ADOR

There's the group that thinks everyone sucks here, and a few others

Mostly the motivation for the people who are siding with HYBE/ADOR seems to be the fact that their favourite groups got dragged into this by MHJ/NJZ and suffered consequences including awful online hate for something they either didn't do or weren't responsible for. As for the evidence against HYBE/ADOR there's varying levels to it, some people think it's mostly bs, some think most of it is true but not enough to actually blame HYBE/ADOR for anything, and there's people who don't care if it's true they just want to see MHJ and/or NJZ burn

[surreal raft]

Then who else

[dapper root]

i dont know

but hopefully not mhj

[surreal raft]

Not even the new ceo of ador could’ve saved them

[dapper root]

i would be in the first group

[hoary frost]

Not blindly, no. We support them because we believe in them and their reasons for fighting this. As fans, it’s natural to trust them more than the company they’re up against. That doesn’t mean we ignore everything; it just means our support is with them

[cerulean lake]

she’s gonna ruin them. she’s one of BSH’s workers

[surreal raft]

Exactly!!

[dapper root]

ive seen alot of ignoring of facts which is sad

[short laurel]

"seems to be the fact that their favourite groups got dragged " actually "most"(army) here just here for drama, bts wasn't even dragged by anyone.

[cosmic belfry]

Any of the other HYBE groups could chime in and it would help

[dapper root]

people just say its mediaplay all the time as a cop out

[subtle matrix]

There are other groups who got dragged into this, mainly ILLIT ofc but also LSF

[dapper root]

its also because the other groups get dragged in all the time 😭😭

[hot girder]

I not only trust the girls, but their claims are backed by the proof we have collected during this time. If the court thinks that's not enough to break their contract, that's a different thing.
Even before all this happened, we knew they had a different treatment from other HYBE groups. So don't act stupid. I support idols who want to leave their company whatever reason that may be.

[short laurel]

yea but those are smaller. biggest among hybe side are army

[shrewd badger]

So a lot of fans view it as their group Vs Njz rather than Njz against hybe. There were only two groups involved illit and lsf

[frozen bronze]

yes this

[subtle matrix]

Yes

A lot of ILLIT and LSF fans are unhappy with NJZ

[cerulean lake]

I agree with ILLIT being originally dragged in but the only reason why LSFM was mentioned was because MHJ needed to clear up the whole process when she was at HYBE. If HYBE didn’t mediaplay that MHJ was doing all of this against the other HYBE groups, she wouldn’t have to bring them in her conference to clear herself of those allegations. But this whole situation also did start from her internal complaint regarding ILLIT’s concept so I don’t know how that would have been avoided. And let’s be for real, even if she didn’t directly mention their names during her conference, people would’ve figured out who’s she talking about.

Plus LSFM’s main hate train did not come from her conference but because those events were close, they think she’s the cause of it.

[dapper root]

i always felt bad for ILLIT and the hate train

its really bad

but again the plagiarism claims got shut down fast so

[shrewd badger]

Do any of the illit fans ever cast blame towards belift ?

[short laurel]

no, it's still ongoing battle

[dapper root]

didnt the last injunction clear that up?

[shrewd badger]

The injunction with njz ?

[cerulean lake]

nah they said they said her plagiarism claims are kinda valid. THE COURT DID since that’s your fav damien

[subtle matrix]

I've seen a couple but very very few. Pretty much no one outside the NJZ fanbase thinks the ILLIT plagiarism claims are legit

[frozen bronze]

are you just talking or what

[shrewd badger]

I'm not taking about the plagiarism, just belift general handling of the situation

[subtle matrix]

Ah no

[short laurel]

injunction is for quick resolution n it kinda supported mhj claim. and they showed info from insider than proved that belift indeed stole her work. it's still disputed in mhj vs belift battle.

[dapper root]

where was that info

[cerulean lake]

So funny to see the switch up because when ILLIT first debuted, people were saying that they were like NJZ and everything (people outside of tokkis) 🤣🤣 Even the infamous reddit users.

[short laurel]

last year. have to look up.

[subtle matrix]

You keep mentioning this but I have never seen this being acknowledged by the courts. I don't think you are right about that

[dapper root]

i never thought they were alike

[hot girder]

NJZ got dragged for that btw the north remembers

[blazing sky]

From what I'm reading I think we all agree that the girls were mistreated under their company so what is the argument about? Mhj? Who literally cares ab her I thought this server what about njz

[short laurel]

we have no idea if court ackowledge those documents or not. i only know that they existts.

[frozen bronze]

we dont all agree, apparently

[dapper root]

and thats okay

[blazing sky]

https://imgur.com/4QmPLkD

[cerulean lake]

yeah some tokkis were trying to defend them but look at the switch up now. this situation has separated both groups and fandoms.

[dapper root]

i just think the girls are in a tough spot and are being dragged by mhj

but thats my opinion

[shrewd badger]

Even tho belift video attempting to clear illit name caused them to gain even more hate ?

[shrewd badger]

So to you njz evidence doesn't suffice enough to show their mistreatment?

[subtle matrix]

Personally I do think ILLIT is similar to NJZ, to a point. I don't think it's anywhere close to plagiarism and all the "proof" of plagiarism I've seen has confused me a bit because it's not that similar

[cerulean lake]

the fact that you see HYBE as innocent or had no major involvement is just baffling for me. but whatever. people have their own opinions

[short laurel]

@jolly junco what arc was it where belift insider showed proof of belift stealing her work.

[blazing sky]

When did he say hybe was innocent in all of this 😭

[dapper root]

never said that

[subtle matrix]

I haven't seen anything about that video

[cerulean lake]

there i edited it. it’s mainly all MHJ’s fault then

[short laurel]

belift video was disgusting.

[frozen bronze]

from what i remember the actual claims were not about songs or choreo, just internal documents that were allegedly proven to be copied from mhj

[shrewd badger]

I'm not sure if it's still up but you should watch it , it calls njz "teenager but the subject of adult fantasies"

[cerulean lake]

yeah i’m crashing tf out after that too if some label just took my planning documents

[blazing sky]

Can we all agree major corporations and CEOs all have ulterior motives for their artists and for their own reasons whether to the extremes or not, I mean a ceos job is to make money for their stakeholders at the end of the day

[short laurel]

i still rememebr the comments korean made on belfit video. belfit was practicalyl saying "mhj copied mhj" and belift keep deleting the comment and said "we'll sue you all"

[cosmic belfry]

The language I would use for ILLIT is that HYBE created another similar group to cannibalize NewJean's success. That was the intent. Plagiarism is much harder to prove and isn't 1:1.

[dapper root]

i wonder if they just meant the y2k stuff tho

[shrewd badger]

Whilst it called Ive "dolls" and called black pink perfect idols

[frozen bronze]

anything about song or choreo plagiarism is just fans pointing out similarities, which always happens to literally ervery group

to me the whole illit vibe is just very nj inspired but not plagiarism

[dapper root]

but thats just me hoping for the best

[hot girder]

are you obtuse

[dapper root]

no im acute

[frozen bronze]

classic damien benefit of the doubt for everyone but njz

[hot girder]

this fucking angle

[surreal raft]

Am I the only one who thinks illit is different from NJZ??

[shrewd badger]

I think your giving them too much of the benefit of the doubt

[dapper root]

they are very different

[cosmic belfry]

They are different enough now but at debut there were certainly a lot of questions surrounding their concept being too similar.

[dapper root]

but we gave mhj the benfit of the doubt for all the things on her wall?

[subtle matrix]

I remember seeing claims about songs, choreo and promotional materials. But you know fans will just say stuff I didn't pay too much attention

[dapper root]

why are we picking and choosing 😭

[frozen granite]

React if you liked pitstop 🖐🏻

[shrewd badger]

You didn't

[dapper root]

i didnt but you guys did

[frozen bronze]

yea from what i remember none of those were ever legally brought up

[hot girder]

this is about njz? why are you changing the subject

[dapper root]

whats the difference

[short laurel]

this. this was what mhj argued on i bieleve. and remmeber it was reported internally. hybe made it public.

[shrewd badger]

That's why I'm pointing out your hypocrisy towards the situation

[cerulean lake]

Yes people don’t get this nuance. It might not be direct plagiarism but when you’re in a highly competitive industry, debuting a group with a somewhat similar concept is detrimental especially when they’re from the SAME company and NJZ was only like 1 YEAR old at that time.

People think NJZ is just y2k-themed? Are we forgetting ASAP and the possible dream core concepts that might have been in the future? I don’t know why it was so hard for people to grasp this concept and to understand why MHJ might not have been happy especially when their concept was basically like the concept she came up for her audition video. She brought this up in my internal complaint and HYBE decided to crash tf out on her.

[hot girder]

the girls aren't mhj?

[frozen bronze]

no, the explanation makes sense thats why i disregard it

[shrewd badger]

You literally said "we" 😭

[short laurel]

thank you. finally someone said it. i always had issue why how people keep claling everythng nj y2k.

[blazing sky]

Our fandom is slowly turning into the army fandom dying on hills they shouldn't be 😭 unpopular opinion but we are truly arguing about mhj, someone who does not care about you at all and cares about the girls, whether her motives caring about the girls is ulterior or not we will never know because we are not mhj and we cannot read her mind nor argue about things that will not change courts decision sadly

https://imgur.com/4QmPLkD

[frozen bronze]

i dont care for her too much, but the girls are obviously comfortable with her

[storm warren]

when judging plagiarism, the main issue is debut era. particularly, their branding being too similar to NJZ to the point of it causing confusion and talk everywhere which was also negatively affecting NJZ as everyone said hybe is rehashing same concept/sound for their groups, which naturally undermines ADOR's branding and creative efforts

[short laurel]

1st injunction judge said MHJ was within her right to protect ador's value.

[cerulean lake]

Exactly. I’m also sick of people thinking that NJZ were just y2k and that they weren’t gonna explore possible new concepts especially with the whole get up fairy core era with ASAP. I also don’t know why people are suddenly saying they don’t think they are similar when a whole bunch of people were saying that during debut era (mind you, not just tokkis).

[blazing sky]

Which is her job as CEO to make money for shareholders btw so any and all decisions at the end of the day is to make money

[short laurel]

also super natural to me sounds more like 80's or 90's. not that i know what that era of musci was like.

[cerulean lake]

Also. Belift literally admitted they had her planning documents but excused it saying they didn’t use it. Why do they need that in the first place? Why would they even ask for her shit?

Do your job as a label and come up with your own stuff. People just focus on Belift’s perspective but not the of Ador’s perspective.

[storm warren]

They used it and created NJZ derivative

[shrewd badger]

I don't know what genre it is but the songs really good 😭 top three Njz songs for me

[short laurel]

i think they also said even if they did, mhj action defames illit.

[blazing sky]

Her having a good relationship with njz again, she could have ulterior motives for that because njz is extremely popular and they make so much money so you want to have a good relationship with your money making artists. We don't know her motives she could also just love them you never know because we can't read her mind

[surreal raft]

Reminded me of new edition which I loved

[storm warren]

not completely passable as plagiarism, but enough to have overlapping image which caused discourse

[subtle matrix]

Personally I think most people understand the claims by MHJ/NJZ against HYBE/ADOR, but a lot of people feel like all of these issues aren't actually big deals that justify breaking the contract, and MHJ/NJZ saw an opportunity to get something they wanted - independence, whether it be creative or financial - and decided to take these things and weaponize them into a whole narrative around HYBE sabotaging them

[short laurel]

all i know is she has good relation with everyone she worked with. but yea we don't really know her otherwise.

[red thorn]

I think I remember regarding the similar choreo moves, belieft alibi was "to pay respect/Homage to their sister group" or something
How can the other side believe that when there was no discussion with the creators involved prior

[frozen bronze]

cats out of the bag

[subtle matrix]

Where did they admit this? This isn't super clear to me and wasn't in any court documents I have read

[short laurel]

please, it's opposite.

[cerulean lake]

Ok but like they weren’t looking for this so called independence until HYBE reacted that way. Are we just gonna forget about the whole audit and how they framed her as taking over Ador even though it was literally impossible with the amount of shares she has? They even never brought up the point about the foreign investors again after the 1st injunction. That was when the girls had enough and wanted to leave.

[short laurel]

give me 1 day. i'll find it. it was said somewhere. i think it was said in 1st court hearing this year? need ot check again

[storm warren]

there were multiple articles promoting them in this way, which was taken down or edited last year but kbunnies saved pdfs.

[cerulean lake]

it wa a belift response iirc

[storm warren]

idk how much it can pass as belift's own words but def was in articles

[red thorn]

Was it mhj vs belift first hearing

[short laurel]

i don't remember. need ot check. wil ldo it tomorrow

[subtle matrix]

The court ruling for the first injunction agrees that MHJ was planning to gain independence from HYBE. This isn't speculation

[storm warren]

too bad she didn't promptly execute Project 1945

[cerulean lake]

i think so when she provided evidence that her docs were taken. it was released and belift responded

[short laurel]

with kkt screenshot showing how vp was planning it and mhj called him crazy for it. even then it's not against the law to do so.

[frozen bronze]

it was from the injunction validity hearing on october 11

[short laurel]

thank you.

[subtle matrix]

From what I've read it wasn't kkt screenshots. But believe whatever you want to believe

[cerulean lake]

It was rather that she was talking about with someone but never carried out the proper actions to take over Ador especially when she probably knew it was near impossible. There’s a difference between saying something and actually doing it. It’s like me saying “I’m gonna kms” and actually doing it.

[short laurel]

that was the proof that hybe brought though.

[storm warren]

literally lmfao

[shrewd badger]

Where can I read this ?

[frozen bronze]

i thought the court said there was clear thoughts of it by mhj, but nothing shows that she w ould actually go through with it

[short laurel]

even then her wanting to look for external investor and become independent is nto against the law, as long as it's in the interest of the company.

[subtle matrix]

bby we do not have access to all the evidence presented in court. I just know what the court ruling said

[storm warren]

hybe claimed saudi arabia, singapore, donamu, naver as potential mhj investors yet no proof they could bring to show

[short laurel]

i not remember full detail. i'll check them tomorrow.

[frozen bronze]

yes this

[storm warren]

[cerulean lake]

Yea it says she didn’t go beyond the planning stage directly there. MEANING she thought about it but didn’t do it because it’s legit near impossible when HYBE owns 80% of ador

[short laurel]

but regardless my this point remains

[subtle matrix]

Look up the first injunction ruling in the pins, a few comments down there's a link to a twitter thread with the translation

[short laurel]

i said i'll do it tomorrow.

[subtle matrix]

I was talking to the other guy who I sent the screenshot to

[short laurel]

ohk

[shrewd badger]

It was evident she had plans but there was no evidence she was taking actual steps to gain independence

[subtle matrix]

Yes and that's why she won that injunction. She wasn't doing anything illegal as per her shareholder's agreement, but those plans obviously would hurt hybe and it makes sense that they would try to fight it

[storm warren]

no, hybe found "project 1945" on her vp laptop but unfortunately could not show evidence during injunction, hence, they claimed it was shamanism management shamanism management and judge told them to stay on topic lmfao

[short laurel]

yea and that would've become a saperate court battle and public wouldn't hear much about it until the final result.

[blazing sky]

At the end of the day these are still companies that want to make money and at the end of the day everyone is replacable, even mhj and even njz I mean imagine this turns to 5050

Realistically it probably is

[shrewd badger]

They had no proof of her actually doing anything yet they still elevated the situation

[subtle matrix]

With the 5050 case it seems to me like there was obviously a bad faith actor who engineered the whole thing and everyone else suffered. I don't think that's the case here

[short laurel]

it'll only become like 5050 if mhj actually manipulated njz. otherwise consider mhj and nj cases separate even if it's related.

[blazing sky]

I mean in terms of replacing

[cerulean lake]

Yes but it became illogical once they used that situation as some type of way to completely tarnish her own reputation and claim that her shaman was possessing her and how she talked crap about a whole bunch of groups, which of course led to a whole bunch of fandoms pouncing on her and NJZ. They even tried to mention the shaman and her dead sister or something in court, which is so out of pocket.

If they wanted to investigate it properly, they should have done it in a way where all this bs mediaplay wouldn’t come through and based on the text messages, we already knew MHJ was beefing with BSH and Park Jiwon (the former CEO).

[storm warren]

ablume is going to win their case lmfao here for them to prevail

[short laurel]

her late sister

[cerulean lake]

okok thanks just edited it

[subtle matrix]

They had enough proof that she was up to something

[storm warren]

they said she was possessed by her dead sister or something

hybe was on crack during first injunction

[cerulean lake]

need them to be on crack for the objection and main case 🙏🙏 shaman come back

[storm warren]

hybe hired 5 ex-judges after injunction loss

[cerulean lake]

why were the times better with the shaman in the picture? she was truly special i’d be going to her too

[storm warren]

lmfao they cunning af. it wont be easy to win