NJZ Updates and Discussion

[jolly junco]

are we even going to get birthday live?? FCKKKKKK HYBE

[frozen granite]

Is this important ? if it is can someone translate please

[red thorn]

It's report regarding their statements/messages at complexcon concert

[frozen granite]

Oh ok thought it was mediaplay again

[waxen musk]

What does a halt on entertainment activities include? Can they still perform for free and for fun?

If Hanni were to write a new song, would they stop her from uploading that?

Is it written anywhere what is and isn't included in their restrictions?

[jolly junco]

yes to all your question

[jolly junco]

this is a no, they cant

[waxen musk]

Restrictions on Entertainment Activities:

• Activities as musicians, including songwriting, composing, performing, and singing, as well as related activities such as TV appearances and event hosting.
• Acting-related activities, including working as actors, models, voice actors, and TV talents.
• Commercial activities based on the debtors’ status and popularity as public cultural artists, including appearing in advertisements as advertising models.
• Other activities related to the above categories, though not limited to them. If there is any uncertainty about whether an activity qualifies as an entertainment activity, both parties shall determine it through mutual consultation.

[waxen musk]

Why is that different from what I posted above?

[jolly junco]

can hanni please just do a cover with mask, and pretend that she is jasmine?

[polar owl]

I woke up to 1000+ messages and I am not complaining. Hope we remain active as days (and months😢) pass by.

[jolly junco]

this is from the court, the injuction that ADOR demand

[frozen granite]

We all doooo

Anyway, pitstop slaps 🔥

[waxen musk]

So it doesn't mention anything about being active on social media. But not even being able to upload a song you wrote for free for the fans is messed up. How does someone like Hanni doing that hurt anyone's business?

[polar owl]

All aspects related to entertainment are owned by the companies

[waxen musk]

So Darling Darling belongs to ADOR?

It was posted on @NewJeans_twt Twitter account.

That was more than six months ago by the way.

[shy schooner]

She is still under that company unfortunately. Anything she does is still under them

[waxen musk]

The contract validity has yet to be confirmed, so you can't say that for sure.

But before their contract termination notice, Hanni did upload Darling Darling while being under ADOR.

That's all I'm asking about.

[cinder narwhal]

no one here knows more than you do everyone is just speculating

[waxen musk]

Yeah just talking it out. To me it sounds like the answers to the questions I'm asking are yes.

I didn't think about it before.

[kindred estuary]

"It has been reported that ADOR attempted to support its members as their agency in Hong Kong after the provisional disposition was granted, but they were unable to meet with the members."

article link: https://m.entertain.naver.com/now/article/241/0003422563

[steel depot]

Why are they doing this now

[waxen musk]

Did they even try to meet with them? What is this article saying?

[shy schooner]

Media play on a monday nothing new

[polar owl]

This is probably bad translation, but funny to hear that Ador feigns surprise at the fact that the girls don't want to work with them. Also, that the ComplexCon organisers literally said Ador to F off.

[waxen musk]

Sounds like they didn't try very hard.

[shy schooner]

Hope they end up last in the yearly earnings for this year

[tardy smelt]

complex stood on business

[subtle matrix]

I mean this was predictable, ador was going to send their people because not doing so would be conceding to NJZ, NJZ wouldn't work with them because they are maintaining that they won't return to ador

[red thorn]

Nah they don't have right to do this, that's like any idea in artist's head automatically owned by the company

[waxen musk]

It's the K-pop industry...

[jolly junco]

complexcon is actually really cool, their event was really fun (from what i seen thru videos and photos)

even before the concert start, the marketplace has become a very fun place for concert goers and tbh it actually makes me jealous not to be there in person. I am not a fan of concert, but complexcon succeed in making me wants to go to a concert next time

[waxen musk]

It was more of a convention than I expected. Maybe I should have known considering it's called ComplexCon. Con being the important bit.

[subtle matrix]

That's more or less how it works

[jolly junco]

yeah i thought the "con" was for concert

[polar owl]

Yeah like the ComiCons

a convention

[frozen granite]

Do you guys think Njz met with murakami?

[waxen musk]

I saw him in the audience.

[frozen granite]

Where?? Source?

[waxen musk]

I saw him dancing. I don't have a source, I saw it scrolling on Twitter.

[frozen granite]

That image alone made me cackle

[waxen musk]

Try looking for it. It was funny.

[glossy siren]

They are for sure not surprised, it's all mediaplay for the public, they know njz will never work with them again, these statements are to convince the public that ador is such an angel trying to reconnect with 5 lost souls

[red thorn]

That kind of idea, may apply for singer-songwriter that label demand them in contract to make albums in span x years

[prisma nova]

Why tf is every kpop fans trying to push this delusion and crazy and cult narrative on us

[jade jolt]

He was filming njz during the performance

[half knot]

it's best to own the cult allegations
embrace it.

[waxen musk]

ADOR using all these lack of NJZ willing to communicate with them is going to come into play in the hearings I'm sure.

[frozen granite]

Like a proud grandpa !!!

[waxen musk]

The delusion for the basic fact that the court hearings aren't over yet? lol

[half knot]

the entire intent of their hongkong statement and travel and subsequent statement after is to portray this action by newjeans did not go forward with ador's blessing, so it was in violation of the injunction despite ador's attempt at mutual consultation or whatever.

[frozen granite]

NewJeans vs NJZ

[jade jolt]

~t
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[narrow seal]

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takashi murakami be like that's my granddaughters he really adores NJZ 😭

[waxen musk]

Exactly. It won't help. Even though when NJZ PR said they'd do this "out of respect for our fans and all stakeholders involved", ADOR said they're in full support of that. They'll quickly appear to change their mind and use that against them in court, it may have even been their plan all along.

[frozen granite]

I want to cry now

Just bc I’m so happy for the girls & the amount of love they felt from the audience. Them standing on business is admirable

[frozen bronze]

the song haerin performed is from the album mhj posted on her ig story a few days ago btw

[polar owl]

Dani already looks ready for international debut.. just saying

[jolly junco]

she's laying low for real....

[cinder narwhal]

it's so over

[frozen granite]

What does that even mean? Over as in?

[waxen musk]

I'm finally starting to read the injunction ruling. At the very start it says this:

The petitioner is temporarily recognized as the management company of the respondents based on the exclusive contract dated April 21, 2022.
Does this mean the court by default assumes ADOR's contract to be valid throughout all these hearings?

I think that's a pretty important thing to know when reading all this. I don't know why I didn't know this already.

[cinder narwhal]

it's weird i kinda dont wanna see them on my feed rn. is this realtime becoming a non-fan? or just grief

[polar owl]

Allow some time

[surreal raft]

WHATTT

[frozen granite]

Probably the latter, it’s a lot tbh. We’re getting over saturated with a lot … many emotions at the same time

[red thorn]

Does it hurt, I think you're just care

[polar owl]

On the contrary, I am going through all their old stuff... different coping strategies

[jolly junco]

i just keep replaying their 5 solos stage and pit stop

[frozen bronze]

its just saying the contract was never legally terminated no?

[jolly junco]

trying to find every fancam with HQ to download all of them

[waxen musk]

Tell me what ones are the best and send them to me later. Thanks.

[tardy smelt]

same. went to sleep. woke up. still riding the high from these stages.

[surreal raft]

sigh no new music feels weird

[jolly junco]

https://youtu.be/fhPgjPNDd5g?si=5GDOfLSrs7Soveyi

so far this is the best for pit stop, havent found for solo stages

[surreal raft]

like wdym we won’t get njz summer this year like every other year

[red thorn]

That's for the main lawsuit to decide
This current ruling just ador demanding to intact the exclusive contract until the main lawsuit concluded

[frozen bronze]

yes, and in that statement theyre saying temporarily its to be assumed that it is and has been valid

unless im misunderstanding

[craggy skiff]

thank you

[surreal raft]

This whole court talk is so confusing I give up

[waxen musk]

Wow that's the best version by far.

[copper current]

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[narrow seal]

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[polar owl]

Quality is good. Given that the cameraman blocking the view most if the times, I hope a pro-shot version 'leaks' out somehow.

[jolly junco]

yeah i need lagom to bring a drone next time

[jade jolt]

Lmk if you find any good stages Ive been trying to find them but couldn t find anything good really

Only some on x are better quality

[frozen granite]

This article was comforting https://www.billboard.com/music/music-news/njz-announces-hiatus-complexcon-hong-kong-performs-pit-stop-1235929389/

[cinder narwhal]

#newjeans-chat message

[jolly junco]

finally

[waxen musk]

lol who was scratching their heads over the solo covers?

The performance that preceded the remarks focused on “solo stages” from the five group members as they covered R&B songs. It left many in the audience — who showed up to hear new music from their favorite artists — scratching their heads, as it was a departure from NJZ’s high-energy productions, polished choreography and vibrant stage presence.

[jolly junco]

fraudor staff

[frozen granite]

Should’ve said it was mildly comforting … my bad yall lol but the other stuff were nice! They did go by NJZ & made them sound like true warriors !

[jolly junco]

all of their solo stages were amazing, they really did not look like a 2 years old idol

they owned that stage even without performing as a group

[waxen musk]

The only comforting thing in that article is them partially quoting what they in their speeches. There's nothing else in that article worth reading.

[jolly junco]

i'm sooooooooo so surprised to see their solo stages yesterday, they exceed my expectation for real

[waxen musk]

I always love their solo stages but these yet again might have topped all of the ones they've done before. Except for maybe the Bunnies Camp ones of course.

[frozen granite]

I interpreted it differently tbh

[jolly junco]

to me their aura and presences are even better than when it was bunnies camp tokyo (solo stages)

but bunnies camp tokyo have better stage quality and audio

[waxen musk]

I mean I was there so I'm biased.

Me being there is so much more meaningful now, obviously.

[jolly junco]

its like they are maturing in terms of performing in the past 6 months

[waxen musk]

It's been very steady with improvements and quality ever since the beginning.

[jolly junco]

their confidence is overflowing last night, and i love that

it really shows on their solo stages

FCKKK i need them to go back on stage right now 😭

[half knot]

that's the "order". think of that portion of the ruling as essentially the synopsis/abstract, the tl;dr part so you know the results of the injunction petition ruling at first glance right on the first page

[waxen musk]

Ah ok. I was reading through it and it just made me think of so many new ways ADOR can go against NJZ in the courts. Just everything about what NJZ are doing is going against the contract, obviously.

[half knot]

why does the court considers haerin a minor...

[waxen musk]

She hasn't been a minor for 10 months in Korean law. I don't know.

[half knot]

maybe she is a minor under contract law until she's 19 (int age)?

[waxen musk]

She is 19 international age. She's nearly 20. See below.

[half knot]

haerin? no she's a 2006'er, she'll turn 19 when her birthday comes up

or am I making a mistake here? 😖

[waxen musk]

Yeah you're right. I don't know how I got that wrong. I think them appearing so mature on stage is making me think they're a year older than they are. That and the progress of everything has aged everyone mentally.

[half knot]

sadly, pretty much this. it feels like so much time has passed, yet it hasn't even been a year since this fiasco started in public

[waxen musk]

So yes, Haerin is 18 right now meaning she is a minor in Korean law.

[half knot]

and yeah that exclusive contract is a real pain, so many restrictions on the artist based on the portions mentioned but very little obligations on the part of the company

[waxen musk]

I feel like they can claim the contract has been broken in so many ways before a determination of if it actually has been broken is even looked at in the first place.

Maybe I shouldn't have read the ruling lol. I've lost confidence. I'm hoping I'm just misunderstanding it, like I did above with the question I had not realising what I was reading was in the "order" section.

Hopefully what they look at is everything before the contract termination notice in November. Because obviously everything after November is an obvous breach of contract.

[vital orbit]

https://tenor.com/view/depression-gif-18185912

[vital orbit]

vous face reveal btw

[waxen musk]

I'm guessing the courts will only look at stuff up until the contract termination notice otherwise this whole thing will be a waste of time and immediately be wrapped up in a loss for NJZ.

Am I really confused? I hope I am.

[frozen bronze]

they cant decide if the contract was legally terminated based on things that happened after

but if they do decide that the contract was still valid then njz can be liable for things they did after presumably

[waxen musk]

But the thing is NJZ's legal team kept bringing up things after the contract termination such as the ribbon thing.

[frozen bronze]

did that happen after contract termination ?

[waxen musk]

Yes I'm sure.

[frozen bronze]

well they are asking the court not to force them back to ador, arguing for a breakdown of trust
its kind of different

[waxen musk]

I need to stop thinking so hard about this stuff lol. I keep making the same mistake.

[red thorn]

You're not sad, you just need njz

[vital orbit]

why did you repeat your sentence?

[red thorn]

Did I

[surreal raft]

I need njz

[cerulean lake]

bro u keep sending this shit and this just makes me not wanna open up discord 😭

[jolly junco]

i'm stress shopping

i'm not betraying NJZ by buying newjeans album right? right???????

[cerulean lake]

i’m just gonna act like this is a very bad dream and take a break from kpop rn lolz. nothing interesting plus i don’t wanna listen to any hybe artists even though it’s not directly their fault

[surreal raft]

is it wrong for me to be multi Stan then..

I’m over here listening to every hybe group out there every day

[cerulean lake]

nah you do you but i just don’t feel like supporting the industry at all after this

[jolly junco]

i cant even hear their song/ seeing their face in a video without thinking about the dirty deeds hybe did

[surreal raft]

I HATEEEEEE hybe omg

[cinder narwhal]

no they still worked hard on those.

[jolly junco]

thank you, because i need to cope

[thin anvil]

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[surreal raft]

I’m sad to see my fav groups suffer under hybe

[cerulean lake]

yeah those were done w the og ador team so i dont consider it bad

[cerulean lake]

seems like the other groups are doing fine bc hybe ACTUALLY supports them

[cinder narwhal]

oh time to unfollow jayna

[surreal raft]

nah txt and enhypen is still suffering

[surreal raft]

huh??

[cerulean lake]

yeah nvm they are being overworked but at least a whole conglomerate isn’t beefing with them. ig that was my point

need a bts member (preferably jungkook or taehyung) to leave hybe and give them a reality check

[surreal raft]

I need bts to speak about hybe bc their fandom defending hybe and hating on njz is not it at all..

if bts spoke about hybe people will start realizing NJZ are being right about this company

[cerulean lake]

i mean we already got jungkook doing that but that fandom doesn’t care

[surreal raft]

sadly 💔💔

it’s crazy how armys are slut shaming little girls too.. twt is so scary

[zenith bane]

NJZ announcing a hiatus to follow court ruling (no independent promotions), rather than promoting under Ador as NewJeans

[frozen granite]

Sorry you guys are doomposting hope you guys are feeling better

[steel depot]

I'd rather them on hiatus than go back to ador

[jolly junco]

Agree

[modest sluice]

The court’s stance is clearly on the side of the attackers.
Therefore, there’s no need for us to discuss the main trial anymore.
NJZ doesn’t need to stay in a country like that.
They should join a foreign company.
Tier 1: US, China
Tier 2: UK, Europe

[steel depot]

Has anyone translated what their lawyer said on the facebook post? I don't think fb translate is accurate.

this one?

[cerulean lake]

i think someone translated it above but i lowkey agree w him. their lawyers should like change/alter their stance to fit their argument and evidence better

[tiny peak]

HYBE ran a year long smear campaign with disgusting media play and paid bots. why is it so hard to prove breakdown of trust 😭

[cinder narwhal]

https://x.com/juantokki/status/1903729475583685044

1tokki (@juantokki) on X

250323 Atty. Lee Hyun-gon Facebook post

가처분 결정문을 살펴봤는데..

법원의 판단에도 아쉬움이 있다. 하지만 NJZ의 변호인측에서도 변론 전략을 한 번 재검토했으면 좋겠다.

이 사건은 계약해지의 귀책사유를 묻는 소송이 되어서는 안 된다. 사건 이 한 번 흙탕물 속에 빠지게 되면

X · Mar 23, 2025, 8:44 AM

[steel depot]

thanks

[ivory sage]

im really confused lately

i've read newjeans breaking their injunction with promoting njz instead of newjeans, not proving ador with enough information, of it being a onesided choice

i've gathered my thoughts about this, and does anyone remember mhj gathering her money?

So i thought about it, hear me out, what if njz wants to lose the injunction, so mhj can buy them free?

i know its a wild assumption, but really NOTHING makes sense in my head right now.

[jolly junco]

😔 every group i stan didnt get a chance to have their own world tour. Maybe i’m cursed. Sorry guys

[ivory sage]

no but like, im so confused

[shy schooner]

This year was supposed to be it

[ivory sage]

it wasnt, thats obvious. i heard about the talytokki stuff

[modern fog]

you and cj&b

[rain spade]

yea, fuuck you ador for ruining mhj plans

[ivory sage]

what i found odd was, how come she was talking to the newjeans account, and not the njz account

[cerulean lake]

SAME. just mentioned it in the main njz chat but at least my other ult group twice came back from their 2020 hate train even stronger. hope the same thing for njz can happen

[ivory sage]

so meaning this should be much older, but also then ador should have known about this

so it should've been posted by them, to ruin njz even further, cause i doubt taly herself would post this or njz

[cerulean lake]

idk i don’t think that works that way + mhj doesn’t have the funds to buy them out

[surreal raft]

what was her plan?

[ivory sage]

wasnt it mentioned that she apparently had a consultant for that money?

[cerulean lake]

she planned a whole fanmeeting in seoul + whole tour in 2025 + full album in 2024 + possible fortnite collab. WE WERE GONNA BE FED

[surreal raft]

omg..

[ivory sage]

yeah it was a lot, and i was so excited for her fortnite collabs

[cerulean lake]

i’m not sure haven’t been updated with mhj lately tbh

[surreal raft]

as much as I don’t like mhj she really could’ve saved us all

[ivory sage]

mhj really went under the radar though, cause i havent heard anything from her.

[surreal raft]

no literally where is she?

[rain spade]

full album and world ttouur

[ivory sage]

i myself didnt like mhj, cause she has done some stuff that is really wierd, but if i had to choose between mhj and ador, i would pick mhj no questions asked

[cerulean lake]

yeah but honestly it might be for the better. ppl kept putting together mhj and njz and trying to put together their actions as tampering

[ivory sage]

which again is a smart choice

[surreal raft]

Idk if I’m the only one but I feel like she making NJZ do stuff that’s not supposed to be said

[ivory sage]

but i fear, her going under the radar could be put off as "letting them go into this alone", this should've stayed a fight between adults, i wasnt suprised about them losing the injunction

[surreal raft]

like the whole injection i feel like she should’ve been there for that since these girls didn’t have much to say or know what to do

[cerulean lake]

i’m sure they’re still talking to each other but we never know. all we know is that they respect each other way more than they will ever respect the current ador management

[surreal raft]

I don’t respect any ceos no matter what I’m sorry I’m only here for the groups

[cerulean lake]

that wouldn’t help and it might have made it worse i think bc the allegations of tampering would have been stronger + she wasn’t supposed to be the main subject of the case

[ivory sage]

she was the one who started this fight though?

[surreal raft]

and yet we never know what she could be doing to NJZ.. I’m not saying she is but like those pre debut dances those was from her right??

[cerulean lake]

nah it was hybe who started false allegations on her of trying to take over ador

notice how they didn’t even go back to their og argument or her seeking overseas investors?? they knew it was bs

[rain spade]

they probably still talk/text, it doesn't need to be known to public

[ivory sage]

then again i question, WHY was talytokkis stuff posted?

[half knot]

HYBE started it by making the details of the audit public and aiming to dismiss her as CEO, a 3-5 days character assassination campaign ensued on the media. MHJ only ever filed the grievances on behalf of ador and NJ internally in HYBE.

[surreal raft]

but didn’t she accuse illit of copying her..??

[ivory sage]

i still to this day believe there is more to this stuff with talytokki

[rain spade]

dk about tthat situatiion also don't care

[cerulean lake]

that was an internal complaint but hybe saw that and got fed up (they already didn’t like her) and then started these allegations to kick her out

lowkey valid complaint too if belift took her planning documents and were exposed for doing it

[ivory sage]

cause it felt too sudden, and too random. Why was it posted NOW, cause Ador should be able to access the njs twitter account

[half knot]

why do you think?

[surreal raft]

ohh okay

I just wish illit was never bought into this njz and illit would been cute bffs together

[ivory sage]

The alleged messaged from NewJeans to talytokki should've been grabbed up much earlier, considering it was done over the NewJeans Account, We all know Ador has access to that Account, and used it for Promoting and all. So how come, Ador didn't pick this up earlier, it feels too much of a coincidence, you know what i mean?

[half knot]

no I don't know what I mean, say what you mean concisely and clearly

[cerulean lake]

what did njz even say to taly? someone dm me since ik people didn’t want this talk abt taly to continue

[ivory sage]

ill send you the screenshots in dms in a minute

[half knot]

no I have seen them

[cerulean lake]

okok yeah haven’t had the courage to open up twt but someone can just summarize it too

[ivory sage]

Sure i can do that too

[half knot]

I just don't get what you are implying. of course this stuff coming out now is meant to discredit her and newjeans/njz fans in general and sow discord further inside the fandom

[cerulean lake]

yeah i agree that her first response to the audit was probably not the smartest but i mean hybe started this whole smear campaign on her for a valid internal complaint 🥴 + she had to defend herself at the press conference after hybe claimed that she said bad things abt them so idk why they got mad at her for bringing up other groups

[ivory sage]

Im implying, the NewJeans Twitter account, where the so called Conversation was held

[surreal raft]

basically the chats were njz saying they were glad to meet taly and wtv

[ivory sage]

Is also managed by Ador Staff, to promote NewJeans. So how come, these Messages, cause Ador had access to them much earlier cause literally they're moderating that account, have just appeared now, right around that injunction

[cerulean lake]

bro that’s not even bad 😭 ppl be acting like they said inappropriate stuff or were gossiping w each other omg. they were probably appreciative of someone trying to clear up misinfo on them on the internet

[ivory sage]

Im saying, if they're that big of an Issue, how come it took this long to apparently share those

My thought was to generally fuel the fire on Taly cause she was one person who actively tried to keep up njz reputation

[surreal raft]

I think it’s bc it’s unsafe to meet with a fan especially at the company building.. and people are using taly to go against NJZ bc of all the rude things she has said about bts and illit

[cerulean lake]

idols have been caught dating their own fans and people can’t even handle them saying thanks to a known fan within the fandom 😭.

idk to me, taly actually hasn’t said rude things abt other groups and has been fairly calm when it comes to mentioning others. of course that has changed now but that was before she was exposed for that stuff

[ivory sage]

Bad shit aside, all taly has done was to really just inform about events that happend, while yes, maybe she shouldn't have brought other groups into this, i dont think its fair to not harrass Ador and HYBE to pull their other groups into this while harrassing Taly for this

[surreal raft]

Well not really she was different on twt

[ivory sage]

i know she was a different breed on twt

[cerulean lake]

yeah i don’t ever recall her talking shiz abt other groups?? maybe it was like a little shade but she held back compared to other tokkis and mainly said bad stuff abt hybe. i also always checked her twt

[surreal raft]

She was always on live saying something about other hybe groups and yet accusing illit of copying NJZ

[ivory sage]

but then again, hybe isnt better with pulling their groups into this injunction. So i would call out both sides.

[cerulean lake]

oh really? nvm then 😭 i never watched the lives

but i don’t think the girls would watch lives with her too so idk why they make it seem like they knew every single detail abt her or her past life

[ivory sage]

This is just a targeted attack, to weaken newjeans forces i feel like.

[surreal raft]

She also said things about ariana grande and said the n word multiple times at the age 18

[ivory sage]

i mean, yeah. thats an issue but aside that

[surreal raft]

Well she should’ve been a better fan.

she made this whole mess worse on the day NJZ lost the injunction.

[ivory sage]

shes been the only real fan that talked actively about the situation. HYBE is a company that should protect their groups, and not pull them into this

[surreal raft]

no she hasn’t other people has done the same yet she was the popular one

[ivory sage]

That i cant deny, sadly. I feel like taly does have some good opinions, but due to her previous stuff, its generally just outweighted.

[cerulean lake]

yeah i agree that she should’ve been a better fan but people should not use this as a gotcha card to hate on njz

it’s giving the same energy when ppl (of course mainly tokkis) were hating on illit after they followed an anti acc that said vile things abt njz and other groups

[ivory sage]

thats what im saying

[surreal raft]

I agree that’s what a lot a hybe group fans are using Taly for it’s disgraceful towards NJZ

[cerulean lake]

just an unfortunate event all around and she should probably just deactivate for now

[ivory sage]

She did, she deleted her twitter and posted a statement on tiktok

i can send it in here wait a minute (unless you dont want me to)

[cerulean lake]

oh dang ok then. ugh this is like the worst i’ve felt regarding this case since april 2024

[surreal raft]

she shouldn’t never posted her statement on TikTok..

[cerulean lake]

the whole fandom is a mess + they’re going through multiple hate trains + this whole legal case

[ivory sage]

I feel like it should've went on twitter, cause thats where her main stuff she has done wrong is

[surreal raft]

yeah tiktok is where people don’t know but now will get on her bc she’s letting them know

[ivory sage]

yeah

[surreal raft]

But I’m over taly

[ivory sage]

want me to post the statement? or should i not

[dapper root]

taly isnt important

[surreal raft]

probably not since many people don’t wanna talk about her

[ivory sage]

thats fair, thats why i was asking lol

[steel depot]

let's focus on njz

[dapper root]

there isnt a point of taking about her

[steel depot]

god i miss them already

[surreal raft]

I need them back

[ivory sage]

oh right, and i have one more question, so the injunction yeah? Considering they promoted/attended as NJZ, what does that mean now?

[surreal raft]

I don’t think they said their name as NJZ as what I heard

[ivory sage]

from what i've read the merch was all njz, and minji had njz stuff on her

[surreal raft]

They only said their member names I heard

[ivory sage]

this whole topic is so confusing i cant

[surreal raft]

well yeah that was made before the injection came out they were named NJZ to be attending but now since they have “lost” they can’t really be named NJZ

[ivory sage]

i mean yeah, but people were harrassing and attacking them for apparently breaking the injunctiojn

[surreal raft]

they technically didn’t since they never said their group name as newjeans or NJZ so and they announced that they are going on hiatus since they are not allowed to post music or perform any new songs

[ivory sage]

i mean yeah thats expected

[surreal raft]

so no one can be hassarsing them if they are following the law

[ivory sage]

Im curious to see how this whole thing goes out

[surreal raft]

People probably will forget about it since the lawsuit isn’t until April 3rd and results don’t come out until 3-4 months

[ivory sage]

yeah

[surreal raft]

as rn we should just support NJZ no matter where they are at let’s just focus on the girls

[cerulean lake]

they avoided saying njz so it doesn’t get them in trouble w the whole court thing

[ivory sage]

i see

[grizzled summit]

the amount of tims ador has said 'exclusive cnotract' fuck that contract seriously

[rain spade]

exclusive deez nuts

[marsh roost]

is it known who produced the stop pit song?

[stiff prairie]

Yooo why me catching strays man

But it's tru ngl. Haven't seen my football team win major trophies in my life, favorite shows getting cancelled and then njz happens smh

[ashen charm]

I stan alot of groups 6 to be exact

[stiff prairie]

Minji hanni Dani haerin hyein mhj?

[ashen charm]

Mhj

[stiff prairie]

[ashen charm]

Jeon wick 😎

[stiff prairie]

Jeon wick probably on his way to find a new job too

[ashen charm]

Mhj didn't reply to my dm so we have beef

[stiff prairie]

Mhj didn't send me any dm all these years

[ashen charm]

All I want is the hurt solo versions 😩

[stiff prairie]

Mans asking for hurt solo when we can't even get any solo or any group songs

But maybe we'll get hurt solo cover when they start promoting individually and goes to a music show like lee mujin service in the future

[ashen charm]

If I win a fan call imma ask them to sing hurt

[short laurel]

So it's your curse that made them loss

[stiff prairie]

Imagine they saying they forgot the lyrics

[jolly junco]

i only stan 2 groups my whole life, both group couldnt have their own world tour

i need a shaman to cleanse my soul

[stiff prairie]

I'm sorry gang

[rain spade]

Go do some blackmagic

[stiff prairie]

Why couldn't f(x) do world tour later tho? I hear they had problems earlier on their career

[jolly junco]

because SM had a beef with jess

[short laurel]

Regarding this. Since court order was close to their performance day. Excuse of not enough time to change works fine if it ever brought up in court. Though i personally think it shouldn't be a problem anyways

[jolly junco]

i honestly dont know, they were big
but too much problem with SM and the girls were abandoned for years

[stiff prairie]

Is there any k-pop company that's not petty out there

[frozen granite]

I have a question for you guys

[short laurel]

Honestly mhj's too is unlucky with gg. Both bsh n mhj made groups always in deep drama 😂😭

[half knot]

drama squared

[frozen granite]

Do you guys think Njz is losing their popularity or they won’t be at their peak as how they were in 2023 as some people have claimed ? I just saw a tiktok

[stiff prairie]

The longer the hiatus goes the more they lose popularity yeah. But it's not like totally fall off. Fans like us will be there fs. And ppl that are not fans will tune in to see what they brought. But imagine a lot of ppl will find other groups they fall in love with, other songs that reach ditto status so there will be changes but not extreme imo

[short laurel]

How can one maintain their popularity when they are not allowed to perform on top of constant sobtage.

[tiny peak]

if they are allowed to make music again with the original ADOR team, they will be fine

[frozen granite]

Hmm interesting points but valid thanks

Also, the TikTok I saw was from an anti so I didn’t know what to do with that

But it did trigger that question

[tiny peak]

also remember the long term plan for NewJeans was not about popularity, it was about making exceptional music and art.

[frozen granite]

Yeah, that’s true, which paradoxically made them the best imo

[short laurel]

Diverse Creativity n popularity goes hand in hand, otherwise it'll become stale. Kpop already becoming stale.

[stiff prairie]

Yeah it started with one or two songs for all of us. Not how active they are. And good thing they have songs that ppl will keep listening to. So they will still be in ppl's mind even if new stuff doesn't come out

[hollow sorrel]

~t https://x.com/aboutmusicyt/status/1904029281522417821?s=46&t=rG1o-Bkd-GgDMGG_CtSg2Q

[narrow seal]

250324 About Music (@​AboutMusicYT) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/AboutMusicYT/status/1904029281522417821
ADOR releases a statement following NJZ's temporary hiatus announcement:

"We find it unfortunate that the group continues to perform under a name other than NewJeans and has unilaterally declared a halt to activities despite the court’s ruling. ADOR will do its best for the

[stiff prairie]

1. they didn't use njz either 2. can ador just fck off with their little statements?

[rain spade]

They didn't use any names what are they even on

This ador is sometimes like an annoying girlfriend/boyfriend honestly

[craggy skiff]

since njz stuck in injunction but mhj is not, could we ask her to perform Pip stop by herself
We may have a rap diss version

[marsh roost]

they may point out that the word/letters njz were displayed (on minji's leggings, on the visuals displayed on the background screen, etc.). And the judges may buy it.

[stiff prairie]

njz might be AFK for a while. but i like that it won't stop our humor

[polar owl]

Somewhat support Grok, but don't want this to be an industry vs artist case, it has to be Ador vs NJ - the industry reform will automatically happen when decisions are made in favour of artists.

[craggy skiff]

It's useless to worry. So I choose to ignore it and joke around 👍

[tiny peak]

https://x.com/NewJeansSTRM/status/1904025063327936661

팀 버니즈 (@NewJeansSTRM) on X

03.24

X · Mar 24, 2025, 4:18 AM

[polar owl]

Keep the humour going

[tiny peak]

team bunnies defending NJZ again, while ADOR is busy media playing against them

this one seems to be about the recent, suspicious wave of hate comments

[short laurel]

To counter this. Injunction decision was made too close to performance date, girls could argue they didn't have enough time to change what was already prepared, njz on screen n merch.

[craggy skiff]

ador will claim it as their effort btw 👍

[tiny peak]

and ADOR will continue to claim they are "independent" and not HYBE lackeys

[polar owl]

Don't think the HK performance will have any bearing on the decision making of the main case. In case NJZ lose, these instances will all amount to additional penalties.

[cinder narwhal]

how much hope do you guys have for the main case

[half knot]

they wouldn't actually amount to anything unless ador terminates their contract after winning and then files claims for penalties

[polar owl]

I am clutching at pretty strong straws

[modest sluice]

The ban is meaningless because there are already laws regarding contract compensation.
How can you force someone to stop their activities and at the same time compensate for the contract?
It’s clear that the logic of the Korean court is questionable, isn’t it?

[frozen granite]

I thought you were taking a break

[half knot]

ador is asking the court to validate the exclusive contract as still being active and in place.

[cinder narwhal]

mood swings

[frozen granite]

Drama queen

[cinder narwhal]

let me grieve in my own way.. 😭

[frozen granite]

I feel 50/50 tbh

[stiff prairie]

how can one just stop being a stan lol. it's a process

[craggy skiff]

that ridiculous since the begin
prevent them from work is no use except damage their value

[frozen granite]

We don’t know everything to be exact, I was extremely hopeful the injunction was going to be dismissed & we were all shocked (even antis!!) so idk how I feel about the main lawsuit

[polar owl]

There's a stan switch which you can turn on and off

[half knot]

yeah you turn into george or kevin

[frozen granite]

Where is it?

[short laurel]

I m confused by koreans qrt. They seem anti. Like why so many koreans asking teambunnies to protect other groups.

[stiff prairie]

where do i press tell meee

[frozen granite]

Knetizen switching up

[polar owl]

It needs years, sometimes decades to find it. But once you do, it is immediate.

[kindred estuary]

https://x.com/NJZBUBBLEGUM/status/1904057078056137167

. (@NJZBUBBLEGUM) on X

(250324)
Translation of Statement from New Lawyer Law Office with Team Bunnies

X · Mar 24, 2025, 6:25 AM

[cinder narwhal]

severance cmon

[half knot]

the entirety of replies and much of the quotes are now just bots on twitter, more than ever

[short laurel]

Even then how is it teambunnies responsibility to protect other fandom. They should make their own teambunnies instead

[craggy skiff]

who the f ever asking like that 💀
this is njz fandom

[cinder narwhal]

innie zyx is a bts army. come out now

[stiff prairie]

are u like vous. as in u used to stan a group then stopped and then started again with njz?

[stiff prairie]

my innie never heard of kpop in his life

[frozen granite]

Brain is not braining … anyways this will just add ammunition to more mediaplay we already know

[short laurel]

N what action ador took to fix these malicious attacks. Only teambunnies seem to do it.

[frozen granite]

Anyway, is sniper gone ?

[cinder narwhal]

he's two now

[craggy skiff]

new gen(eration)

[frozen granite]

The og is back along with the copycat ?

[short laurel]

I hope teambunnies case against jinjin n sniper reveal connection with hybe n ador, that would be huge help.

[stiff prairie]

well good thing is w this hiatus antis might finally stop stanning our girls. they gotta have better things to do now right?

[tiny peak]

yeah ADOR can't take action against HYBE employees and part-timers

[frozen granite]

Hope the objection comes through

Anyway, gn yall be safe I’m off too sleep. Tokki no. 1728282828383 is tired

[weak relic]

https://tenor.com/view/newjeans-fire-newjeans-bernice-fire-bernice-newjeans-bunnies-gif-15485492084642182176

[stiff prairie]

guys don't worry the judge will hear the hiatus news and will be sad and grant the appeal

[craggy skiff]

I believe mhj shaman will take his mind and change his decision 💀

[stiff prairie]

DO IT shaman i dare u

[modest sluice]

NJZ can’t afford to wait 1,2 years and still lose.
Two months is the maximum.
And they need to leave that country.
Starting a revolution without decisiveness only leads to death.

[weak relic]

imagine bunnies holding lightstick while demonstrating on the streets

[craggy skiff]

That is a positive way to think but they wont do that because 3/5 member still are korean

[polar owl]

No, this is the first group I stanned for sure. Never got so involved in the artists themselves anywhere, except for a few like Babymetal.

[polar owl]

Maybe the judge has a daughter who will tell him what this all means 😒

[polar owl]

Not happening in SK.

[stiff prairie]

maybe his daughter did tell him and he didn't want her to be invested in kpop and wanted to focus on studies that's why he did that

[weak relic]

[modest sluice]

The three members should file a human rights asylum application,
saying they’re being forced by a ridiculous court decision.
Not to mention, their earning potential is tens of millions of dollars per year.
Even Trump’s golden card only sold for $5 million.

[craggy skiff]

maybe its a way

[polar owl]

No, we need to win in Korea.

Or the members will most likely pursue independent careers

Doom scenario - Hani & Dani pursuing outside Kpop, while new member are recruited by Hybe

[brazen ice]

i dont think theyre every going back there tho. they REALLY dont want to be there and seem to go thru any means for it

[flint stone]

*x https://x.com/bborbnz/status/1904057046527611360?t=ybJDz6zD9rpzL_DznA60mg&s=19

[harsh dove]

@bborbnz <t:1742797550:d>

[orchid field]

*x -c https://x.com/haerinthequeenn/status/1904022969040478459?s=46&t=FGOk5JcS6vsxMTTizzNPiQ

[harsh dove]

@haerinthequeenn <t:1742789425:d>

crazy how they treated like this when they welcome you into the country

[modest sluice]

You need to consider the worst-case scenario — if such an unreasonable suspension order can still be issued, then we’d better be prepared in advance.
In another country, the government and media will prioritize their own companies, and hybe,... won’t be able to interfere.
In s.korea, the media is already siding with hybe

[stiff prairie]

that is a consideration for after they lose the injunction appeal. but tbf they are probably anticipating not winning that too ngl

[upbeat stream]

I don't have much hope for the appeal or the main lawsuit

[polar owl]

If they lose, the only way out is paying the parting fee. They cannot abscond to another country - they have friends and family in SK. If an western label is ready to pay the damages and onboard them, it is still fine then.

[upbeat stream]

They have to make some move while they are still in demand, still relevant

[stiff prairie]

funny how i hope that those mhj tampering and finding investors thingy were true now

[polar owl]

Yes, post 2 years, valuations will fall. Whatever we bunnies say, time is the key here.

[upbeat stream]

If media articles are to be believed, the penalty is so absurdly huge that they can't afford to pay it, and no label will take up 400 M debt for them

[ashen charm]

that will most likely be hyein

[steel depot]

how did they come up with 400million?

[short laurel]

no judge would give that high penalty.

[zenith bane]

it has to be fair penalty - its unconscionable to expect a court to side on such a large amount, enforced on a 17 year old - and if their opportunities for income are limited, how are they expected to pay?

[polar owl]

Hybe's idea is to wear them out into a settlement/ compromise

[upbeat stream]

The injunction ruling was cruel and unfair, with zero precedence. Don't expect fairness from korea

[modest sluice]

We won’t pay a single penny, my friend.
Do you know Prigozhin of Wagner?
Hesitation, delay, and compromise only lead to death.

[upbeat stream]

Yep they can't (and won't) pay

Which would make working in Korea nearly impossible though. I really do think they have to relocate

[polar owl]

So Hybe is the new Putin

[honest sky]

Lets not

[polar owl]

Relocation won't mean that money is not due. They can be arrested if they step into SK. This is not the life they are looking for.

[hollow sorrel]

Also if they relocate they will probably be signed to a label overseas (Japan or the US) meaning they might only get a really small % of their revenue depending on their contract with the label etc.

[polar owl]

If they lose they settle. Not the huge amount but something someone is able to pick up on their behalf.

Rather the courts should be pragmatic and use this lawsuit as an opportunity for change under the bigger canvas of human rights and dignity of life. This is assuming none of the Hybe's wrong doings can be proved sufficiently.

[modest sluice]

right now, it’s already “dead” bro
Being alive and able to work is still the top priority.
njz is international level, everywhere is home

[cinder narwhal]

people were also saying "no judge would grant that injunction"

fuck precedents, we dont know anything

[shy schooner]

Only time will tell.

[polar owl]

There will be international condemnation if such a penalty is levied on 17 year olds.

They can very well apply for Asylum

[stiff prairie]

@trim tide what u sent is what they said. And that is the temporary hiatus. We don't know how long. Could be months or years until they get favorable decision from courts

[short laurel]

they can't just put penalty that group can't ever pay. there are groups who had to pay penalty but no one ever reached even close to 400mill. that's just nonsense number by media.

[trim tide]

really?? they said the this performance is our last part??😭
i must've missed that because i was there for the stream

[short laurel]

they said they'll cb stronger.

[stiff prairie]

Last as in not forever last but yeah until court gives them a favorable decision that's the last performance.

[trim tide]

oh ok then sorry yall

[stiff prairie]

no problem. Stay tuned if you're still into k-pop. Cause they will come back after some time. We just don't know when

Guys how long has blackpink been out of making music btw? If we don't count the solo activities

[craggy skiff]

Think about huge penalty, it could be use as a condition to let njz free to work sooner.
If they cannot work until 2029, there are no way they could pay.
huge penalty is bad but as soon as they could working, every is possible

[trim tide]

almost 3 years, 2 if you count their game ost

[lucid yarrow]

but im hearing lisa/rose song on radio here everyday....

[stiff prairie]

We'll imagine hanni Dani appearance on leemujin service as their solo activity

[craggy skiff]

wait, I forgot that is this injunction prevent them from working as a group or both personal?

[modest sluice]

Maybe the companies are already preparing their scenarios.
Probably won’t have any new updates until around June.

[polar owl]

Fk the wait. I think no one will divulge their next moves in the public. We will be blind as a bat

[grizzled summit]

im scared for april 3

[stiff prairie]

most probably both? cause only blocking group activity and not solo doesn't make sense

[mild lichen]

I find it funny that they announced a hiatus like they really had much of a choice atp

[lucid yarrow]

yeah big company dragging game is dangerous suck NJZ didnt hit bulleye let hope next one have q better outcome

[grizzled summit]

but the girls do have evidence do they?

[lucid yarrow]

from NJZ pr they had trouble getting it

[craggy skiff]

they can reject. still a choice

[grizzled summit]

then they;re gonna lose?

[mild lichen]

that would be moronic after getting shut down in court though

[stiff prairie]

they said main lawsuit procedure will allow them to gather more evidences that they couldn't just for injunction

[craggy skiff]

yes. but as I said, it's still a choice anyway

[grizzled summit]

oki i hope they win! but will the final ruling of the lawsuit take upto 1 year?

[mild lichen]

sure

[vital orbit]

https://youtu.be/7tP2gAhTCfw?si=k5sXEsqfDYhEsBs5

is this real?

[stiff prairie]

and since april 3 is hearing date for main lawsuit and it would coincide with the hearing of appeal/objection of injunction they might be able to present some more evidences for that too

[upbeat stream]

arrested for a civil case? Korea isn't gonna do all that for a civil contract disagreement. There's no way this gets escalated to a criminal case

[stiff prairie]

could be more could be less

[grizzled summit]

awe ok

[upbeat stream]

Like I have no faith in their legal system but even then, they are not that crazy lol

[mild lichen]

it’s so bizarre that they seem to not get how easily they can be replaced and black listed with the way kpop is

[vital orbit]

lowk wish all this could be solved by them paying ADOR a huge sum of money

i mean they can always make more money theyre fucking NJZ

[craggy skiff]

ador said newjeans still working with them all the time too

[vital orbit]

girl literally where is the work theyre in hong kong?? 😹 ador bsfr rn

[stiff prairie]

i don't think u get their position. it's not about being top of the cream global superstars. it's just getting away from a toxic and abusive place for them.

[vital orbit]

star is still right
the way NJZ handled things is so problematic and things couldve been discussed internally rather than a whole public outburst

[vital orbit]

but to each their own ppl seem to be very opinionated on this topic and we only know what is presented to us so

[craggy skiff]

they did and it is useless 💀

[stiff prairie]

things did start that way. we heard about their parents meeting hybe execs. but they showed them disrespect, told them about one and a half year hiatus etc.

[vital orbit]

oh right i forgot ab all this
i still wish ADOR and NJZ could make up somehow

[craggy skiff]

dont forget who bring this mess to outside
now hybe talk like them innocent is f*ck my mind

[mild lichen]

okay but my point still stands. if they’re gone long enough people won’t care about them as much anymore with how messy everything has been and their spot can easily be taken by the countless other groups.

[stiff prairie]

the only way this happens is if hybe magically decides to bring back all og ador ppl incl mhj which i don't see happenning

[vital orbit]

well MHJ DID try to go independent with ADOR and we dont know whats up with rhat one suspicious staff member that wiped his work computer so yeah good point

[mild lichen]

they can easily get that jyj treatment too

[craggy skiff]

tbh, except the huge penalty, I dont think leave this kpop is bad thing
It's suck and toxic as hell

[shy schooner]

They said they were looking for a grammy award producer which will take at least a yr

[mild lichen]

Jessica has been out of snsd for over a decade and still hardly does anything in Korea

[stiff prairie]

my point was the alternative is them being stuck in a place they don't feel safe or mentally healthy. an option was not saying anything to the fans and staying there. but i'm glad it didn't go that way cause now i know even if they're not as rich or famous in the future they'd be happy doing what they do

[vital orbit]

250 and FRNK feel like characters you can only unlock after beating the final boss (Min Hee Jin)

[mild lichen]

it’d be bad in their eyes if being an idol is really their dream and it gets taken away from them

[vital orbit]

also it does NOT take that long to find a producer be so fr

[craggy skiff]

they dont need to be kpop idol to work as a group
Jessica case is different because at this time, mainstream promotion channels and music shows still play a key role and are controlled by big companies to prevent her activities.
Nowadays the internet has reduced their importance a lot.

[craggy skiff]

Idol is not something owned by Kpop
Dont you know where kpop take this from? Jpop
Even if outside korea, they still could be a group idol, could make song and serve our bunnies as well

[stiff prairie]

@vital orbit #1231839760759263232 message this is ador statement. replying to what u posted on main chat

[narrow seal]

Message linked

message posted on <t:1742796448:f>

from Ryujin#2857

250324 About Music (@​AboutMusicYT) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/AboutMusicYT/status/1904029281522417821
ADOR releases a statement following NJZ's temporary hiatus announcement:

"We find it unfortunate that the group continues to perform under a name other than NewJeans and has unilaterally declared a halt to activities despite the court’s ruling. ADOR will do its best for the
[Jump to message](#1231839760759263232 message)

[vital orbit]

tenkyuu

[mild lichen]

Now you know fully well I was referring to Korea specifically. I did not say anything about any other country, obviously they could go to somewhere like Japan.

[vital orbit]

pit stop is already a disstrack
"It's not over"
"Cut from a different fabric"
the lyrics are clearly referring to someone cough cough

[upbeat stream]

jyj treatment would be a great outcome lol. They were actually very successful despite the blacklist, the only reason they stopped is because one of them turned out to be a criminal. There's been a lot of re-writing of history about them

[craggy skiff]

minji song 👍

[vital orbit]

NewLawyer
NLR

[vital orbit]

minji song + pit stop are so hybe disstrack coded

[hollow sorrel]

especially when other groups in HYBE randomly get grammy award winning producers for their comebacks

it should realistically not take 1.5 years or whatever for NewJeans

also I don’t even think HYBE seeks out producers they just buy songs from them and give them to whichever group

[polar owl]

It's a game of attrition...who blinks first will compromise. Ador has nothing to worry on how long this drags on, the girls have everything to worry. The courts should understand this dynamic and expedite their judgment as this is a denial of livelihood for the artists.

[craggy skiff]

did any hybe group ever got grammy award or something like this btw?

[hollow sorrel]

no, BTS were nominated multiple times, but they didn’t win it

[lucid yarrow]

but the court doesn't think that way bc right now fraudor is a little company and if they have no Newjean they have no income lol

[polar owl]

That's unexplainable

[hollow sorrel]

I wonder about the ratio of people leaving after mhj and the girls left and the ratio of wokers staying there

[wary creek]

how about danielle's song "no scrubs"

[hollow sorrel]

also why does the court act like ADOR will struggle financially like they will still make a lot of money from NewJeans albums, lightstick, yt videos, etc.

They don’t even rent their own building since it’s all inside HYBE so what do they need the money for?

[craggy skiff]

I wonder can NJ side convince the court that if they operate they can pay the termination fee earlier if necessary?
Because if njz not work, they will not able to pay and it is ador lost

[lucid yarrow]

that what im thinking too hybe has 100% control they replace ceo so fraudor is just hybe now lol but court doesn't see it that way so meh

[hollow sorrel]

MOST importantly most FRAUDOR staff are just people transferred from other departments like the CEO being from HR

[kindred estuary]

https://x.com/catzkang/status/1904086041868550200

반희수🫧 (@catzkang) on X

On the 24th, legal sources reported that the 5 members of NewJeans filed an objection on the 21st with the Seoul Central District Court, which had previously approved ADOR’s injunction request.

https://t.co/ByIdY0qKis

X · Mar 24, 2025, 8:21 AM

[craggy skiff]

I dont think that a important think. Transferred or not, they still are ador staff and need to be paid

[wary creek]

lol what would HR know about running a music label

[craggy skiff]

She know how to claim other people work as her work.
Like tokyo dome 💀

[hollow sorrel]

question:
does filing an objection means they already sent in new material for the court to review?

or they just filed for an objection and will send in additional materials later?

[lucid yarrow]

i be laughing my ass off if its revealed later she doesnt even know how to edit

[wary creek]

when you have a human resources background but you can't create a friendly relationship with your employees as ceo lol

[craggy skiff]

I dont think she can't. But as a bsh puppet, she could only did what bsh want
And did he really care about the good for newjeans? He maybe don't recognize who they are

[polar owl]

They had one job....

[craggy skiff]

Ah, I remember about another bsh old partner was kicked out because he not "as a tongue in mouth"

[stiff prairie]

bsh made his old pr head from belift days resign by herself/himself so they couldn't ask for compensation legally. shit is fucked up over there once they deem u as unimportant

[kindred estuary]

tbh i'm as clueless as you are, im guessing it maybe they just filed and submission of additional materials will be announced just like how the court announced the submission of additional materials after the march 7 injunction

and some translations says there would be a retrial

https://x.com/sheepymcsheepy/status/1904091305795535206

Sheepymcsheep (@sheepymcsheepy) on X

NJZ files for an objection to the injunction.

https://t.co/SMGG8s8z4f

X · Mar 24, 2025, 8:41 AM

[subtle matrix]

I assume it will work the same way, another hearing > both sides submit new evidence > ruling

[polar owl]

And this will happen in parallel with the main lawsuit?

[wary creek]

honestly though.. is njz cooked on evidence? like are we hoping they have more evidence up their sleeve

[polar owl]

There is a power disparity

[subtle matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/big-trouble-if-i-speak-if-i-speak-i-am-in-big-trouble-speak-big-gif-23519858

[polar owl]

Collecting evidence from within hybe when they have no authority

[fast snow]

I doubt they submitted everything for the injunction

[polar owl]

It would have been stupid not to do so

[shy schooner]

Lawyers better be doing there jobs

[fast snow]

They have said themselves they didn’t have time to submit everything which is odd but looking past that tells me they had stuff in their chamber ready to fore

[lucid yarrow]

if only they can find out who leak those dispatch video from somu if hybe did it then we have case

[polar owl]

Can they confiscate all CCTV footage? No. Can they have access to internal documents? No

[subtle matrix]

If they didn't submit everything their lawyers are either stupid or incompetent

[craggy skiff]

in my opinion, the injunction ever more important than the main court.
If they could work enough, pay for penalty will not a big duel, just take time and effort but their value and fandom still remain and could ever bigger

[lucid yarrow]

like they deleted the evidence and tamper with messages lol

[fast snow]

Tbh anyone thats good at their job would be able to tell this whole situation came about mainly cause both sides just couldn’t find any time for an actual conversation cause from what I understand NJZ tried approaching their Manager which led nothing then further tried to make the situation known and when that didn’t lead to anything they did what in my opinion could be the 1 thing Hybe has against them which is going live and making demands but everyones at fault here if were being honest

[polar owl]

Hybe had ample opportunity to manage the transition. They knew that the girls were close to OG Ador, which is only logical . They were not able to inspire confidence in the girls in trusting the new management

[fast snow]

I get firing MHJ if you think she had it out for your position its a natural response but how everything was handled past that point is what makes it so awful

[polar owl]

They manage the artists, not own them

[fast snow]

Honestly if they’d kept MHJ around not as a CEO but atleast as the Manager or something of that sorts then this situation might’ve never occurred but then again would NJZ still face scrutiny within HYBE

[wary creek]

how about testimonial evidence? can they have like the security guy under oath say what they did with the cctv footage. i'm totally clueless about this stuff

[polar owl]

Why would MHJ work in a downgraded position

[storm warren]

MHJ is not manager. She is executive producer

You're talking like MHJ should slave herself away to keep everyone happy

[fast snow]

rather have that then her completely gone if I‘m being honest

[storm warren]

HYBE never wanted to keep MHJ

[fast snow]

MHJ made NJZ so unique and well kept the girls happy but she’s also entitled to her own decision so she mightve just walked away herself in that scenario

[fast snow]

That is also true

[polar owl]

Her team also went with her

[upbeat stream]

Would you work at a company that viciously targeted you and your family via the media? That's a core issue for them and I don't see more people talking about it

[craggy skiff]

hybe said they need reform ador to separate manage and produce separate
It's suck but still called a reason

[upbeat stream]

They would rather wait out the contract and retain only 10% of their peak popularity than work with hybe again

[storm warren]

exactly. people have forgotten 3 days of April 2024 before MHJ press con when NJZ was viciously targeted by media

[upbeat stream]

Even that would be enough for a comfortable career, we and the girls will wait however long is needed

It would be one thing if they hadn't made any money and so were desperate to continue, like many other idols in their spot but that's not their situation

[fast snow]

Looking at everything tho nobody‘s innocent in this, I love and support the girls but we can’t paint them as innocent angels that Live they hosted could really screw them over but I also get why they did it, probably felt forced into doing it since HYBE had no plans on hearing them out. The whole situations just a mess

[storm warren]

Hyein articles about stop copying, villainizing her and group's inside joke. Media headlines calling NJZ traitors of organization & second 5050. Their payment details leaked to paint them as greedy kids

[upbeat stream]

Hybe started targeting them on April 22nd, the very first day. At the time they weren't involved at all, but negative articles in the media started rolling out, especially about their salaries and other privileges

[storm warren]

HYBE was determined to pressure and intimidate the girls and their families via media and public opinion war because they knew they sided w MHJ

[polar owl]

250 & FRNK left, backroom staff, stylists everyone left

[fast snow]

The mediaplay is actually disgusting like ignoring the fact they’re your own artists which get you big paycheck most of them were minors at that point and don’t even get me started on having a hate campaign on a literal 15/16 year old

[fast snow]

Completely valid reaction out of them considering what went down

[storm warren]

It still makes me mad because I know this situation is especially hard for Hyein

[polar owl]

You are step-children in your own house. Why would you stay?

[storm warren]

HYBE never made effort in good faith

[jolly junco]

people keep saying and suggest the girls to leave korea and start fresh from another country

but they didnt think for a sec the ADOR OG team are korean, they live in korea. NJZ cant just bring everyone out of the country

[upbeat stream]

I distinctly remember an article on April 22nd saying the girls have made 5 B won each. At the time, I thought it's just speculation, but in the hearing, ador confirmed the figure. Now we know where those reports came from. Imagine leaking salary to the media for no reason, since they hadn't even taken a side then

[fast snow]

Like I can’t look at Hyein anymore without this like gut wrenching pain knowing what she’s going through and what my issues were at her age

[storm warren]

MHJ is NJZ's executive producer who handles their music, marketing, promotions, concept and everything. They removed her without having any replacement to make sure the existing plans would not be interfered and convince the girls that their brand would not be damaged in the process

[upbeat stream]

If hybe hadn't been so awful to them from the very beginning, they might've been willing to compromise, but now the ship has sailed

[storm warren]

They never prioritized what NJZ thought and was going through

[lucid yarrow]

omg now think about it og ador not going get payed now bc hiatus mean no work

[fast snow]

HYBE only saw the negative in MHJ sought to get her out, did it and never stopped to consider what consequences could arise from that

[polar owl]

I mean yeah, you are managing artists not machines

[storm warren]

because they dont care about artists. they "own" them

[fast snow]

I‘m sure they have work elsewhere potentially not in the KPoP industry but we can only speculate

[jolly junco]

thats because HYBE's way of handling things are different from MHJ

hybe dont care about how their artist feel, or how they think. Its because hybe do not look at their artist as human but a product

[fast snow]

The entire industry just gives me red flags if I‘m being honest, it feels like modern slavery a market of human rights violations

[storm warren]

not much has changed since TVXQ

[bronze talon]

Hasn't it been like this for ages
Tho it got a bit better over the past decade it's still shit

[storm warren]

only contract length was reduced. Industry remains the same in its core

[fast snow]

Like with all due respect how many self harm cases has the industry gone through just for nothing to change

[wary creek]

ugh the music industry is always about being in bad contracts or plagiarism

[polar owl]

I mean having kids enter into a contract which has an super high exit clause without any recourse to justice because of the power differential

[lucid yarrow]

the world run on slave soon we have ai/robot slaves....

[storm warren]

NJZ has few pre-contract endorsements left but I believe they should be expiring this year

[polar owl]

Well AI created videos and performed by robots on stage 😀

[short laurel]

Everyday ppl come in here using their half as research for their argument. Why are ppl like that.

[polar owl]

Because not everyone is so invested

[upbeat stream]

And the corruption in the justice system, so many of these judges end up working for top law firms and making millions, so they tend to favor them, interpreting the contract so conservatively. Kim and Chang in particular has a ton of former judges

[short laurel]

Then they shouldn't come in here n give their opinion

[polar owl]

They are still fans. Not everyone will have all the info, nor will they have the same thoughts

[fast snow]

Entertainment as a whole is exploitative, if you’re talented they seek you out and use you, if you threaten the position of a big artist or person they push you out

[short laurel]

Saying that njz go back to hybe is not fan like behaviour. I m talking about a message i saw way up when i opened this channel

[fast snow]

Dont think them going back to HYBE is going to do anyone any good it‘ll just take a massive toll on the girls in the long run and with the torn relationship between them already being present it‘d not be a good environment

[upbeat stream]

Can ador compel njz to honor schedules for them? I'm thinking that they might give them schedules unilaterally in the future. I have no idea what the law says on that

[storm warren]

NJZ halted activities, they will only fulfill brand deals

[short laurel]

Exactly

[upbeat stream]

Because right now, it looks like the girls' plan is to sit out the contract

[fast snow]

I think we should see that as the worst case scenario

[short laurel]

They can't set new deals without girls signing them.

[upbeat stream]

I know but ador clearly doesn't like that. What are their legal options if njz refuses to work?

[polar owl]

Yeah, exploitation happens in fashion industry. They recruit really young girls (12 or below) from poorer eastern Europe, take them over to US / Paris / London in absolutely one-sided contracts. One of the recruiters acknowledged that it is important to get them young because they haven't formed firm opinions yet, and hence can be tutored as per the industry need.

[wary creek]

i thought hybe and fraudor was not going to let them perform anyways

[fast snow]

A kid can’t properly think for itself in legal situations

[polar owl]

Just ignore. You cannot fight everyone

[upbeat stream]

Oh no, there's many other scenarios worse. But I would rather not dwell upon them

And they are unlikely

[fast snow]

^^^ that’s why I don’t really see myself as a Kpop if im being honest im more so a fan of the individual groups and don’t really communicate with the broader community most of my "Kpop activities" are in here

[short laurel]

They kinda have to cuz of loud this has become but they'll do bit above bare minimum to keep public satisfied n give shit songs without girls input. Is my theory

[upbeat stream]

True, but let's say ador asks them to record a new song or film an mv. What happens then?

[short laurel]

If they just out halt on girls openly. There will be public backlash n it work in girls favour

[fast snow]

I could imagine them getting songs from their other groups which the groups never performed/recorded

Just give em the leftovers/crumbs to keep the fans happy

[short laurel]

U can't make someone work when they not want to. Honestly we don't know how court will view that in terms of damages

[jade jolt]

~t
https://x.com/kchartsmaster/status/1904098191353565549

[narrow seal]

250324 Kpop Charts (@​kchartsmaster) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/kchartsmaster/status/1904098191353565549
Minji, Hanni, Danielle, Haerin and Hyein announces legal action against malicious comments.

https://m.entertain.naver.com/now/article/112/0003753223

[upbeat stream]

Yeah, I've lost faith in their justice system due to how unfair this ruling was

[short laurel]

Exactly what i worry about. We still don't know why ador cancelled gurls full album n korea bunnies camp last year after kicking mhj

[fast snow]

Everyday I feel worse for Hyein already robbed of a normal childhood/teen years but to then go through this

[fast snow]

Probably cause MHJ was the only thing "preventing" them from doing that earlier

[polar owl]

Why name them and not the law firm?

[vital orbit]

😐.

all i said was i hope they make up somehow

[vital orbit]

even though its impossible

[polar owl]

As young artists, you never get a normal childhood. But this is not what she was looking for

[short laurel]

Make up how when they actively mediaplay against them over slightest thing.

[fast snow]

^^

[dry geyser]

guys did mhj abandon njz?

[vital orbit]

no

[short laurel]

I hope it's questioned in court

[jolly junco]

*x https://x.com/pouchwonki/status/1904008930126364983

[harsh dove]

@pouchwonki <t:1742786078:d>

[jolly junco]

its 100% dissing track

[wary creek]

i'm guessing if mhj does anything, it may cause more harm than good?

[honest sky]

The song is growing on me

[vital orbit]

clearest fancam of this verse. everyone say ty vous

[upbeat stream]

The reasonable compromise would be letting them work on their own as 'Newjeans' but sharing profits like before. But ador probably doesn't want that because it would set a dangerous precedent for companies

[honest sky]

Ty vous

[vital orbit]

and the fancam owner ofc

[polar owl]

Industry will also not support. Everyone has skeletons in their closet

[vital orbit]

the analogy is 🤌🏻🤌🏻🤌🏻

[short laurel]

I m taking a break from this channel. It's just same thing discussed everyday. Cya on court day

[karmic hearth]

when is it?

[short laurel]

3rd april

[vital orbit]

what do you expect when theres no new news

[polar owl]

Take care. But I know you and a lot of us will be back more frequently than we wish to 😀

[karmic hearth]

take care

[fast snow]

The feeling of having discovered NJZ way too late and not having had the chance to see them perform live once

[vital orbit]

just stream pit stop

[short laurel]

Shh muting this place so that doesn't happen

[karmic hearth]

imagine me as a 2023 fan and not being able to see them because of money

[fast snow]

Have a nice one, took a couple days off this channel to just enjoy ComplexCon (I‘m about to check this everyday)

[polar owl]

Being and staying a fan now is more important than ever.

[fast snow]

Rough I only started listening to some kpop in October

[upbeat stream]

I should do that too. In fact I say lock this thread until April 3rd, unless there's a major development before then

[polar owl]

Where will we yap if the thread is blocked 😒

[fast snow]

^^^

[vital orbit]

no dont lock it what if ppl start asking dumb questions in njz-chat 😭

[vital orbit]

and this too i js wanted a better excuse

[vital orbit]

keep thus thread for doomposting
and njz chat for positivity

[upbeat stream]

I don't even want to support this toxic industry anymore. I deleted my years old kpop favorites playlist that had hundreds of songs, and don't even regret it. I'm so done

[fast snow]

Alright anyways, I‘ll be taking my leave here. I‘ll also leave a picture of my dog here for anyone that could use some cute doggos to distract themselves from this, truly wish all of you s great start to the week and let’s pray for the best

[craggy skiff]

yes. that why I just ignore thing, both good or bad news recent days
Just pick up an old plan and spent time on it to prevent me from depressed 👍

[fast snow]

I‘ll be seeing you lot tomorrow or later today 🙏

[polar owl]

I was truly introduced into Kpop by NJ. So you know where my loyalties lie. Also, I listened to other k-pop groups but could never stan them for whatever reason

[jolly junco]

https://tenor.com/view/danielle-newjeans-danielle-newjeans-danielle-blessing-newjeans-danielle-gif-6508898223418531284

[polar owl]

I am quitting if NJZ doesn't get a favourable outcome

[jolly junco]

[vital orbit]

ig https://www.instagram.com/reel/DGHL8IESDKK/?igsh=MmNwOHl5Y2lmZHU2

highest quality stream available pre-NJZ debut

harudance_official

loving the 4k 60 fps quality here 😀

#aespa #kpop #explorepage #nintendo

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[jolly junco]

I already quit kpop long time ago, only listened to NJZ

[vital orbit]

didnt embed but doesnt matter since its not njz anyways

joke still stands though

[craggy skiff]

ever better 👍
J2K style come with J2K video quality
https://x.com/newjeans_loop/status/1795073651571605545

NJZ Loops 🧸🦦🐶🐱🐹 (@newjeans_loop) on X

Bubble bubble bubble bubble bubble

#뉴진스 #NewJeans

X · May 27, 2024, 12:44 PM

[vital orbit]

LMFAOOOOO TY

[polar owl]

This has a black metal video quality

280p with someone running down the forest is the norm there

[honest sky]

I can count the pixels

[craggy skiff]

J2K video quality

[vital orbit]

how do court hearings work? can njz magically win after the first hearing?

[polar owl]

[vital orbit]

im serious about the first question
do the judges hear each sides statement and announce verdict later?

[polar owl]

Multiple hearings, adjournments, time asked for preparation, presenting new evidence....

Could stretch for months

Not that judge is hearing only this case. So, every new court hearing could be weeks / months apart

[dry geyser]

guys how long will it take them.. 💔

[vital orbit]

cant they just have one 12hr hearing?? bunnies can pay for a lunch break inbetween

[hoary frost]

the way i see it, no chance of winning

[vital orbit]

i see 50/50

[dry geyser]

NO DONT MANIFEST IT 💔

[polar owl]

Then even if you win, you will be taken to a higher court by the other side, and then even to the Supreme court.

[dry geyser]

CAN IT JUST BE OVER ALREADY OMG WHY DO THEY GAF SO MUCH ( i meant why does hybe gaf so much )

[short laurel]

for it to be over. we need huge leak from hybe side.

[jolly junco]

Shaman where are you? time to work

[vital orbit]

1.5yr hiatus turned into 1.5yrs of new lawsuits

ador rly said theres 104 days of summer vacation

[subtle matrix]

It's definitely possible to win the main case after losing the injunction. The injunction was granted because NJZ don't have much evidence to back any of their claim but this was a more surface level process (without discovery, etc.) that just keeps the status quo until the actual lawsuit is resolved. Honestly I expect that in the objection hearing NJZ lawyers will just try to argue that granting the injunction is too damaging for NJZ because it prevents them from doing any work, but the judge will rule that they are free to work and keep making money until the lawsuit is finalised, if they do it under ador. For the main lawsuit, I predict it will drag on and eventually enter settlement negotiations (potentially forced by the court)

[dry geyser]

i just want everything to go back to normal like how it was during get up era 💔

[polar owl]

Basically Ador will wear NJZ out into a sort of a compromise or a settlement.

[vital orbit]

good points all around the board

[dry geyser]

DOES IT MEAN THEY CANT USE THEIR IG ACC ANYMORE LIKE THEY CANT GO LIVE ANYMORE AND STUFF 💔what about opening independent ig accs 😭

[vital orbit]

idek who to blame
mhj for trying to go independent from hybe or hybe themselves

[polar owl]

IG as NJZ probably no. But they can open individual accounts though, I feel.

[subtle matrix]

There's blame on both MHJ and HYBE you'd be naive to think otherwise

[vital orbit]

[vital orbit]

good take; ur cooking today wtf what did you eat last night

[dry geyser]

tbh atp i blame both of them i hate mhj idc if she was supporting njz she basically just didnt want to go out of hybe alone so she dragged every single one of them with her mess but njz has nothing to do with this 😭😭

[polar owl]

It's corporate warfare spilling on to the girls

[karmic hearth]

i mean better off hybe than with the disgusting management of hybe

[polar owl]

She didn't drag everyone out. They are a team. They left on their own accord or were asked to leave by Hybe

[vital orbit]

their own accord since hybes plan was long hiatus

[polar owl]

And bringing in a completely new team

Girls had no say on the creative direction. On the wait. On anything

[craggy skiff]

maybe, just maybe, njz sing these cover song by their purpose since begin

[vital orbit]

is it a coincidence that hybe asked newjeans to have a 1.5yr hiatus when newjeans was only 2? when they (wouldve) came back their 7 year contract wouldve been at its midpoint

[hoary frost]

what do you mean by this? sorry i dont really following all thats happening with this drama

[polar owl]

All the covers were good. In fact at par or better than bunnies camp.

[polar owl]

New Ador CEO said they will take 1.5 years to hire a new grammy winning producer 😀

[vital orbit]

1.5 yrs js for a living organism that makes beats btw...

||why did i word it like its a game of my singing monsters ||

[fast snow]

I feel so bad for all the idols involved in this mess

[subtle matrix]

She didn't drag them out, the girls are responsible for their own decisions whether they were influenced by MHJ or not. MHJ did plan to turn ador independent from hybe though, which really exploded this whole mess

[craggy skiff]

i dont think mhj was wrong to leave. after all she was dumped for no real good reason.

Why should she sacrifice her own interests to stay, suffer working with idiots and have her ideas stolen

It's hard to say whether her team left because she suggested it or they felt unsafe working in an environment where you could be kicked out at any time for no reason.

blaming mhj is ridiculous. no one is obligated to sacrifice for the benefit of others. mhj may not be a saint, she has her own ambitions but after all, she does her job well as a CEO and a producer

[polar owl]

I am out for now. See you guys later. I still believe in the fairy tale world that everything happens for good. So only positives to come out of this.

[flint stone]

*x -c https://x.com/newjeans_loop/status/1904112787514892629?t=QyW0bYukAfFD523zUT97hA&s=19

[harsh dove]

@newjeans_loop <t:1742810839:d>

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[lucid yarrow]

who what the vp hybe send to ador who wrote the plan MHJ has nothing to do with it

[craggy skiff]

really?
Hybe ever mention about other company and Arab investors that mhj plan to looking for investment capital too.
And what next?
They apology after and asking to delete these articles.
And where the fck Arab investors now?

[subtle matrix]

This isn't internet "he said she said" this is literally the court ruling of the first injunction

[craggy skiff]

you miss the point who setup this evidence ether
by a hybe employee who was transferred just a few months ago
What kind of betray plan do you have saved on your company computer with a title that couldn't be more revealing?

[subtle matrix]

If you believe any evidence against MHJ is fabricated then it's pointless to discuss this imo

[jolly junco]

Plan A: Throw BSH to ocean
Plan B: Burn HYBE building
Plan C: run away with all internal documents

[craggy skiff]

because they all suck and hybe change they opinion every day
If this evidence really stand, court was not decline it

[hoary frost]

MHJ caused this whole thing

[craggy skiff]

yes. she should not form newjeans at the begin.
That where our hell starting

[subtle matrix]

But the court did accept enough evidence to conclude that MHJ was trying to make ador independent

[craggy skiff]

They said she showed signs of seeking investment but could not directly prove that she wanted to seek independence.

[craggy skiff]

because hybe is the one accusing her of a crime, what they need to do is prove her guilty, not let her prove herself innocent

[vital orbit]

i js saw this but true so many intelligent bunnies here

[subtle matrix]

It appears evident that the creditor (MHJ) has been [...] contemplating ways to independently control Company C (ADOR) [...]

[upbeat stream]

MHJ's responsibility was to ador alone, not hybe though

[subtle matrix]

That's why the injunction was granted

[upbeat stream]

Yeah I just jumped in, what was the argument then?

[subtle matrix]

People still refuse to believe MHJ did anything wrong

[storm warren]

might as well included full paragraph

[subtle matrix]

You can argue she was justified in doing so, but trying to argue she never acted in bad faith towards hybe...

[subtle matrix]

I did include the entire paragraph, 14 minutes ago

[vital orbit]

if mhj didnt form nwjns we wouldnt have nwjns especially since bsh really didnt want danielle debuting

[upbeat stream]

How is that wrong though?

[short laurel]

hear me out. afaik it's not illegal for her to look for external investors.

[ashen charm]

njz wanted to work with mhj and when she got fired they wanted to leave also they wouldve stayed if mhj was still director

[craggy skiff]

So you claim a crime she not done yet just because it is possible?
Seeking for investors is illegal though?

[lucid yarrow]

and who were the company she ask money from again hybe investor?if hybe investor who own hybe own more shares in ador its mean its still own by hybe....again she asking for money for that dumb boygroup they wanted her to make and then use that against her here

[vital orbit]

did she get fired or demoted then left the company

[sage venture]

it goes both ways If the parent company sabotages you, it's your job as CEO to explore separate ways There's nothing wrong with that

[short laurel]

even if mhj did get more investors. hybe would have to prove if it harms the company Ador or not putting burden on hybe.

[craggy skiff]

hybe also talk about mhj try to steal ador when hybe owned almost 80% share
If hybe not agree, how could she take it?
Still shaman power anyway?

[upbeat stream]

She had a fiduciary duty to ador alone and she carried that out. That's precisely what the court said

[vital orbit]

[sage venture]

just amazing that we're still talking about this

[storm warren]

yet to see singapore saudi donamu and naver being investors of mhj

[subtle matrix]

I do not claim MHJ commited a crime. The first injunction ruling says she was within her rights to do what she did, because her obligations are to ADOR and not HYBE. But likewise, HYBE did not commit a crime by pushing her out. The second injunction ruling says they were within their rights to replace the board members, who then voted her out

[ashen charm]

they wanted her gone so they dismissed her after they accused her of wanting to take over ador and when newjeans threated to leave they offered her a lower position but she wanted ceo

[craggy skiff]

someone still believe in the trassh things hybe stalked last year

[jolly junco]

its okay, its a new member

[upbeat stream]

And how did they terminate her contract?

[vital orbit]

can we just pretend that its still april 2024 and restart the drama so time flies faster before njz redebut

[upbeat stream]

I have asked this question to so many people and no one has been able to give a satisfactory answer

[ashen charm]

had the court ruled in favor of njz we would have had a whole new thing to look forward 2

[craggy skiff]

change ador board member by hybe member and vote her out.
completely valid

they ever add one more member to make board member from 3 to 4 for make that vote look more legal

[subtle matrix]

She was dismissed as CEO by the board and then resigned from other roles afaik

[short laurel]

was offered. not assigned. she rejected the offer.

[vital orbit]

Loopholes for Assholes 101: An Expert's Guide

[short laurel]

anyways current lawsuit between mhj and hybe is about her 18% shares in ador.

[upbeat stream]

Do you not keep up with the case? How do you not know about hybe unilaterally terminating her shareholders agreement?

[sage venture]

if HYBE really wanted to fire her, they could have simply held a general shareholders' meeting and done it Instead, they launched a media war against her, showing no regard for whether the NJZ members were hurt in the process BTW I read the full court ruling, and I still don’t understand how this was just overlooked

[jolly junco]

bro said he just casually read about this feud between njz and hybe and then suddenly found it interesting thats why bro is here

[craggy skiff]

then why she dismissed?
while adore gain a lot profit, that prove their operating pattern is still good
then you try to change it to be likemany other loss making labels
Does that sound reasonable?

[vital orbit]

its getting heated in here my spark for njz is coming back

[upbeat stream]

They are good at arguing but have gaps in their knowledge

[vital orbit]

i love yapping in this thread so much you dont understand

[jolly junco]

because bro was not a NJZ fans but a war fans

[short laurel]

hybe would've owned her alot more for the ador's 18% share if they didn't fired her which needed some excuse. the lawsuit she has with hybe is about this.

[craggy skiff]

That could distract us from anxious mood.
They got their war.
A win-win situation

[jolly junco]

bro book of knowledge about HYBE vs NJZ are outdated

[vital orbit]

New stop, new hair, cool boots, NJZ

[vital orbit]

bros fortnite client is still from september 2024

[vital orbit]

ok enough

[jolly junco]

https://tenor.com/view/danielle-newjeans-danielle-newjeans-danielle-blessing-newjeans-danielle-gif-6508898223418531284

[mild mist]

Give them some help then if their data is out of date

[vital orbit]

I DONT WANT NO SCRUBS

[subtle matrix]

Do you mean hybe unilaterally trying to terminate her shareholder agreement? They were prevented from doing so, and all HYBE managed to do was remove her as CEO, after replacing the board members.

“I have decided to resign as an internal director of Ador today,” Min said in a statement. “I will terminate my shareholder agreement with Hybe and pursue legal accountability for its violations. Additionally, I will systematically take legal measures against the company and those involved in its numerous illegal actions.”

I am not that invested in this so I am completely open to being proved wrong, but people here accusing me of being a casual who doesn't know the details while not providing any sources to contradict the legit information I have access to is getting a bit old

[vital orbit]

im only joking tbh this is my entertainment atm

[lucid yarrow]

the mod ppl who pin stuff are gone so what u want source scroll up lol i dont rem this bs

[upbeat stream]

Do you have the court saying that? MHJ obviously never accepted the termination, just as ador din't accept njz's. Hybe filed a lawsuit to check the validity of the shareholders agreement while terminating it. The case is still ongoing

[craggy skiff]

strange. Isn't the answer already in his question?

[upbeat stream]

Also, if hybe was prevented from doing so, why have they not paid her for the put option? MHJ asked them to do so

Again, the court might eventually rule that the contract remains valid, but in the meantime hybe is definitely acting as if it's gone, just as njz tried to do but was prevented by that corrupt judge

[craggy skiff]

instead of re-establishing the management system for a loss making company hybe did it for a profitable company and said that the system is not reasonable.

After all, you were kicked out of your position for a stupid reason and had to suffer a demotion without any protest

[short laurel]

no hybe didn't terminated it. hybe was stopped. later bod dismissed her and offered her internal director position after njz asked for her. but according to her it coems with strange clause so she couldn't accept it so she rejected it and applied for her put option for her shares and terminated the contract.
both sides said alot of things to each other but from what we saw in media we came to conclusion hybe wanted her out no matter what without giving her put option.
this is what happened and case is still on going. u all should look up 2nd injunction and media from that time.

[subtle matrix]

Thank you

[ashen charm]

mhj wasnt at complexcon

[upbeat stream]

Did the judge say that? I don't remember it

[short laurel]

but regardless hybe wanted her out and won. now battle is on for that put option. hybe needs to prove why she doesn't deserve her put option and mhj need to prove why she does as she did everything in the interest of company

[short laurel]

she said that. look at the statement both sides released aroudn that time. it's in pin. there are alot more details to this though and i m too lazy to go through all that.

[vital orbit]

whats put option?

[upbeat stream]

Obviously she is gonna say that, just like njz would say their contract is terminated. I am asking for the judge's statement

[jolly junco]

her company shares

[subtle matrix]

Basically her option to sell the shares she owned, at a price defined by the shareholders agreement

[short laurel]

judge only said court cann't control board of directors on whether to keep her or not.

[upbeat stream]

yeah, so the agreement itself is disputed

[vital orbit]

damn

[upbeat stream]

.

[short laurel]

yea. but in the end it's about the put option.

[subtle matrix]

The tl;dr is

• Court ruled that HYBE couldn't terminate the shareholders agreement
• Court ruled that they couldn't stop ADOR board from firing MHJ as CEO
• MHJ and HYBE are currently in a lawsuit to resolve the shareholders agreement

[upbeat stream]

This is what I mean, I'm not saying that the court will say that the contract is terminated, but that hybe is acting as if it is, that's the main point

[short laurel]

hybe is acting as if it is. both sides are in agreement that contract is no more. the dispute is why it is no more and should hybe give her put option for her 18% ador shares or not. something like that.

[jolly junco]

NJZ just give back HYBE own medicine for them to taste

[short laurel]

https://x.com/juantokki/status/1856970881819627877

1tokki (@juantokki) on X

Min Hee-jin Notifies HYBE of Put Option Exercise in Early November, Worth Approx. 26 Billion KRW
https://t.co/gZe5aNI8ZC
Yonhap News Reporter Lee Tae-soo

Interest grows in the timing and background of the decision... Close associates notify on the same day. Last month, Min

X · Nov 14, 2024, 8:02 AM

[upbeat stream]

Yes this is the correct take

[short laurel]

basically hybe harassed her into leaving

[ashen charm]

njz got 2 lawsuits left right the main one then the newjeans one agaisnt hybe

[upbeat stream]

They don't have any lawsuit with hybe lol, why would they?

[short laurel]

njz has only 1 lawsuit right now. contract validation. other one is inunction

[ashen charm]

they want the newjeans name hybe isnt gunna give it away

[subtle matrix]

MHJ will most likely win the lawsuit about the 18% stake if I had to guess

[short laurel]

they have yet to file for that. it'll only come if girls win the contract validation suit

[upbeat stream]

Well ador owns that trademark, and njz hasn't filed any lawsuits about that yet, they did say that they'll fight for it but idk how

[ashen charm]

that could take 1-2 years no?

[short laurel]

it could take 1 day it could take months or even years. we don't know.

[jolly junco]

iirc there was a boy group name beast, they fight for their name for like 5years

[short laurel]

i saw the fandom celebrating when boys come back with their old name.

[jolly junco]

yeah after 5 or so years, i dont know much about that but i saw the news

[short laurel]

i said i'd leave this channel for a while but i come back and got involved again. 😐

[jolly junco]

we need our resident NJZ updates to updates

[mild mist]

"mute server -> 1 hour"

[ashen charm]

when f9 disbanned one of the members said they couldnt take the name

[short laurel]

did it for lifetime, until i turn back on

[jolly junco]

they can fight for it, but it cost money and time

[waxen musk]

ADOR really did run out of videos to post on the NewJeans YouTube.

[upbeat stream]

No phoning schedule update?

[waxen musk]

None. I just checked.

[ashen charm]

i hate to say it but thats the only njz content we had going

[upbeat stream]

Crazy coincidence then that ador ran out of content at the same time as njz halting all activities

[jolly junco]

they might still have 1 content to post? light jeans for dani photoshot

[ashen charm]

yeah thats why when njz leaves ador they shouldnt take newjeans back just go with njz or something better

[vital orbit]

wh

[ashen charm]

ignore this

[hot girder]

[vital orbit]

my sentence wasnt even finished

whars the difference btwn the 2?

[subtle matrix]

It's just the one

[jolly junco]

cut from a different fabric

[vital orbit]

BREATHE

[vital orbit]

BEFORE I SPEAK.

[jolly junco]

[vital orbit]

you were supposed to continue the line </3

[jolly junco]

i only know until there, because i repeated that part too many times

[ashen charm]

the main one is the contract and the second one was post lawsuit getting back the newjeans name

[vital orbit]

i dont think so

[vital orbit]

can njz take a hiatus from the court instead 🧍‍♂️

[jolly junco]

genius

[vital orbit]

like give us nj1 THEN go back to court

nj1? njz1? dek anymore

[ashen charm]

blame ador

[jolly junco]

ima cut you to be a different fabric if you wish them to go back to court

[vital orbit]

blame everyone involved except the members

[vital orbit]

nj1 and court vs court n no njz for half a year - a year (ymmv)

[storm warren]

its Before I Speed

[vital orbit]

why were they hinting at a mario kart collab if there wasnt one?

[subtle matrix]

These are all the active legal complaints and lawsuits

Ongoing Legal Complaints/Investigations:

• HYBE's report to the Financial Supervisory Service (FSS) regarding potential insider trading by ADOR management
• HYBE's complaint against Min Hee Jin for 'breach of trust'
• Belift Lab's complaint against Min Hee Jin for defamation and additionally for business interference
• SOURCE MUSIC's lawsuit against Min Hee Jin for damages in regards to the disruption of business/defamation of LE SSERAFIM and additionally regarding alleged false claims by MHJ for the launch strategy of N Team/NewJeans
• British band Shakatak's plagiarism claim against NewJeans' 'Bubble Gum'
• Min Hee Jin and HYBE executives filed reports against each other back-to-back
• Former ADOR Employee 'B' filed complaint against MHJ in relation to sexual harassment cover-up and workplace mistreatment.
• MV Director Shin Woo Seok filed a lawsuit against ADOR CEO Kim Joo Young and ADOR VP Lee Do Kyung for defamation.
• MHJ's lawsuits against Belift Lab's Kim Tae Ho for defamation, HYBE CCO Park Tae Hee and PR Director Cho for breach of duty, and HYBE executives and Dispatch reporters for defamation. (One or both of these might be re-statements of earlier suits.)
• ADOR's lawsuit to determine validity of their contracts with NewJeans
• Other Legal Action statements: SOURCE MUSIC on behalf of LE SSERAFIM, BIGHIT MUSIC on behalf of BTS, and ADOR on behalf of NewJeans.

[storm warren]

it was our assumption, not we will ever know until their ban is lifted

[jolly junco]

you never know it might be in their plan, just like iphone pham

they keep teasing iphone then bam suddenly iphone really came to them

[vital orbit]

did we get hints before iphone pham ? i wasnt active here at the time (i thjnk i joined during debut period then left)

[subtle matrix]

There's only one lawsuit directly involving NJZ

[jolly junco]

when OMG came out they were not under contract with Apple

[short laurel]

1sr one iirc it was proven false.
2nd one 1st injunctiion.
3rd one belift kinda admitted it that they did stole her work but we all know how defamation works in sk.
4th one idr clearly but claims by mhj were not false.
5th plagiarism was bs and we never heard anymore news after og ador asked them to look properly.

[jolly junco]

wtf you left?

[vital orbit]

illegaljeanz since day 1

[ashen charm]

it was delulu from the fandom

[vital orbit]

no bc wtf is 🍄🌟🌟?

me when im watching an F1 driver and their car gets hit by a mario kart powerup

[vital orbit]

ehem.. 👆👉👈👉

[ashen charm]

that was minji hair color

right>

[vital orbit]

no ? iirc it was during phoning shutdown

[split bramble]

do you think they shot mv for pitstop that wont see light of day for a while?

[hoary frost]

wow so many

[short laurel]

British band Shakatak's plagiarism claim is over. there's no lawsuit on it. it was just drama

[subtle matrix]

Most of it is defamation bs so w/e

[vital orbit]

@hoary frost ur status is a lyric and i know its a lyric i js dont remember from where... blackpink?

[ashen charm]

yeah tbh the switch 2 was announced so it makes sense

[subtle matrix]

It's still ongoing. But probably going nowhere

[hoary frost]

dash nmixx

[vital orbit]

AAA RIGHT
one of their best

[short laurel]

where? i not heard abotu them filign a lawsuit. only legal notice.

[subtle matrix]

I think I remember seeing news about them retaining a korean law firm but it could've been just a legal notice and not lawsuit

[short laurel]

yea for advice. but they never filed a lawsuit. og ador settled with them behind the scenes. besides 2 songs were nto even same. the tune they were after the british group themselves didn't own it.

[hot girder]

My goats shakatak???

[subtle matrix]

Yeah I think they did not advance with a lawsuit

[storm warren]

and where is the settlement

[subtle matrix]

These plagiarism claims are all kinda frivolous imo

[short laurel]

no settlement cuz there was nothing to settle.

[subtle matrix]

Since there was no lawsuit even if there was a settlement it would most likely be handled privately

Wouldn't be surprised if ADOR went "we're dealing with too much bs rn here's 200k shut up"

[storm warren]

that band said they hired musicologist to examine the case and dipped

[short laurel]

that drama itself was so forced

[storm warren]

lol if there was settlement it would be out in media to trash MHJ further

[short laurel]

btw the band only took action cuz anti's were screaming about it to them. band even thanked them calling then their "fans" lol

[storm warren]

song credits havent changed either

[short laurel]

like i said, the part they were after wasn't even same, the band itself weren't the 1st to use that simialr rhythm.

[storm warren]

anyways nothing came out of it

[subtle matrix]

Plagiarism lawsuits are funny because it's always

• "hey you copied our beat"
• "here's 3 older songs with the same beat"

[storm warren]

yet it was used to slander njz and as gotcha moment "look they also plagiarize"

[short laurel]

i m really curious about her case with belift. since mhj team got proof from insider that belift did copied her work and shown in court.

[red thorn]

If I were tin foil hat guy, I'd believe shakatak gonna strike when hybe said so

[subtle matrix]

Katy Perry almost lost a bunch of money in one of these questionable lawsuits but she won on appeal

[short laurel]

and how belift switched it "even if we did copied her it stil ldefame illit"

[subtle matrix]

Where can I see this? Is this related to the first injunction?

[storm warren]

kuma said that belift wanted to limit the scope of defamation case to choreography alone

[short laurel]

it's not in pins so have to google to find it. it was discussed here. it happened waaaay later.

[storm warren]

and sejong opposed, hence, they are doing two ppts. one for choreo, another for other issues

[vital orbit]

^^^ LMFAOO

[storm warren]

kim&chang lawyers are really cunning and know how to muddy the waters and derail the core issue

[short laurel]

thing about mhj cases is we onyl have media as source. since battle is still ongoing we not have any official words.

[jolly junco]

OMG you didnt know? and you claim you know all their case

[short laurel]

vous let it go.

[jolly junco]

lmao but that one is crucial evidence

[storm warren]

kim taeho switched stances multiple times

[vital orbit]

when u say proof are u referring to the newjeans vs illit content plan template?

[jolly junco]

yes, the one that got leaked from HYBE insider

[short laurel]

thing about this is since it's defamation suit. belift would get minor win and they'll mediaplay it like crazy.

[storm warren]

yeah

[vital orbit]

ahh, i was confused for a sec

[storm warren]

its same case with source trial. mhj losing will cement the narrative that 1. mhj stole trainees 2. belift was innocent

[short laurel]

and knetz are fickle

[jolly junco]

that one is crucial but people seems to forgot about it

[subtle matrix]

Not even MHJs lawyers know everything about the case lol. That is not at all what I claim, like I said multiple times I'm completely open to new information. Pretending you already know everything is not a flex

[jolly junco]

idk what happened to the staff who leaked it, they might got to him by now

[short laurel]

the one with somu is mhj was indeed incharge of team N and somu itself rejected to debate girls and hybe offered her new agency ador to debut them. all this is proven knowledge so how ?

[vital orbit]

the fact if newjeans was a hybe group they wouldve kicked out danielle....

[subtle matrix]

What I complained about was people calling me uninformed instead of correcting information I mention, when in most cases that information was correct. But I respect your decision to be sassy instead of being informed

[short laurel]

also what was it where hybe said 1 thing in media then asked the news ot be deleted and said opposite later in media just to fit their narrative in this battle. it was related to lsm nj and illit.

[vital orbit]

from the trainee lineup*

[honest sky]

Danielle mightve debuted in Katseye 😹

[fast cobalt]

Ok

[vital orbit]

"throw out the new" or something
it wS ab newjeans illit and lsfm being the biggest groups

[jolly junco]

yes, i just dont like people who come in here and yapping about this case saying MHJ and NJZ are at fault when they did not know everything since the beginning

[short laurel]

not that one. it was be4 the national assembly audit

[subtle matrix]

No one knows everything. If they pretend they do they are either lying or delusional

[short laurel]

alot of anti's have been coming here so people here are tramatized

[fast cobalt]

^^^

[jolly junco]

if that person dont know everything then dont say NJZ and MHJ were at fault

[fast cobalt]

If you know everything then get the fuck onto court lfmao

Instead of saying shit on here as if there's any use

[lucid yarrow]

lol what we know what is given to us by both sides not whatever that is behind close doors

[short laurel]

but people on reddit are korean "law experts"

[fast cobalt]

If they are they could've been lawyers

[jolly junco]

bro i never claimed i know everything

[fast cobalt]

Since when did I say it's you

My words were not meant to target anyone

[short laurel]

dw. sniper knows everything.

btw i hope jinjin is actually in legal trouble cuz it's really sus how he got some information be4 they are released in public and we can only know about it if he is investigated.

[subtle matrix]

I haven't assigned all the blame to any party and don't plan on doing so. I do think all parties made missteps, according to the existing evidence verified by the courts, which all put together lead to the current situation.

[honest sky]

Kuuga chill

[fast cobalt]

Ok

[short laurel]

all we need is 1 insider leaking something big and case is settled. girls only need to prove 1 good reason.

[fast cobalt]

Sorry to be falling back on the case who's jinjin

Just in case if I get hit with a "OMG you didnt know?"

[short laurel]

a defamer who spread alot of hate against njz and mhj, even sl* shaming them

[fast cobalt]

Oh

[short laurel]

he suddenly vanished after teambunnies started taking legal actions against online hate so it is presumed it was them who made him go away.

[split bramble]

https://x.com/BluRoofPolitics/status/1903977389341700168

this, yoon being let off prison, ador getting injunction win - there's a big right wing push being made by sk judges currently

The Blue Roof (@BluRoofPolitics) on X

BREAKING: Constitutional Court denies the impeachment of Prime Minister Han Deok-su, who was impeached as the Acting President shortly after Yoon Suk-yeol's impeachment.

X · Mar 24, 2025, 1:09 AM

[short laurel]

yoon not getting imprisoned is something. public should be outrage at this.

[fast cobalt]

Owh