NJZ Updates and Discussion

[polar owl]

Actually How Sweet is also my fav. Don't know why it was not so well received

[knotty valve]

She reacted to today?

[grizzled summit]

Burger shit king, armpits, fearful, ghlitts?

[waxen musk]

People say How Sweet wasn't well received and I'm not even sure where this "general opinion" comes from.

[hot girder]

https://x.com/crampedpersonzz/status/1903816138884276494?t=qSe0lMqlJLttvVVSqIKG_w&s=19

crampedrowlet 🏎️🏁 (@crampedpersonzz) on X

“..In our decision, we decided to halt all activities for now. It was a tough decision but..” - HN

”We believe that standing for our dignity and our rights are something that we care about.” -DN

”We will come back EVEN STRONGER.” - HN

X · Mar 23, 2025, 2:28 PM

[jolly junco]

I know this is not the end, and they will comeback to us one day. But it still broke my heart when i heard them say that

This is so fcking hard and i’m at loss

[waxen musk]

Anyway I'm glad they spoke at the end. Removes some of the uncertainty of what to expect in the NEAR future so we can all chill until something actually does happen in the medium future.

[abstract herald]

Not today unfortunately but I know laufey has always been a huge fan so I’m hoping maybe a bit of an interaction (I’m delusional)

[knotty valve]

I remember her boyfriend at the time (not sure if they’re still together?) actually worked with the girls so I assume he was part of ADOR or HYBE.

[stiff prairie]

i look forward to u guys yapping ranting and venting as my source of comfort from tmr

[jolly junco]

I need to cope but even i dont know how to do that now. I’m crashing out

I need help

[naive hound]

So what happened today during the performance

[jolly junco]

I HATE THIS WORLD

[night niche]

it’s gonna be okay yall

[naive hound]

What's the new status

[night niche]

they’re going to halt activities for now

[stiff prairie]

i even finished the show i put away for months. i'm looking for a big long show i haven't watched yet to get thru the initial hurdle

[naive hound]

So going on hiatus till contract ends or court says something different?

[stiff prairie]

the latter

[waxen musk]

Anyway I hope this is the worst it gets. I can't imagine it getting worse than this.

[stiff prairie]

contract ends in like 4.5 yrs and lawsuit ends in like 2 yrs

[polar owl]

They were actually on a hiatus for some time. They wanted to restart with NJZ, but that's not going to happen.

[stiff prairie]

it might. like we lose the appeal lose the main lawsuit astronomical fees like hybe says to go away from there

[waxen musk]

Yeah it's hard to imagine.

I mean literally imagine. I can't see that future. But anything horrible is possible technically.

[hoary frost]

140k is crazy

[abstract herald]

Omg really? I didn’t know that

[naive hound]

Well, all this process gave them a lot of exposure as well. Many people is waiting for them.
Even though it's not easy for fans or members they became even more relevant

[knotty valve]

Damn ima be 35 when they come back, hope it’s earlier of course.

[polar owl]

Isn't this sad - a group which broke all records having to sit out and say that they are happy to get on the stage after a long time? Highest level of injustice.

[stiff prairie]

i'll be listening to ditto on my 60s so i'm cool lol

sometimes i think how my life would be oblivious to all these if my kpoppie friend didn't suggest me ditto

[knotty valve]

Absolutely, all because of corporate fuckery. Embarrassing for these companies. I need Tim Cook Apple Music to come through and save them (this is me coping hard lol)

[polar owl]

And the court says no harm done to the girls

[dapper root]

hopefully the first rule will be followed

[polar owl]

How can anyone be happy when a group has to take a hiatus? Even if you are not a fan...

[waxen musk]

btw how long were other groups who went through this type of thing completely dark for? i need some examples to help set expectations

[naive hound]

Well, don try to tell people how they should feel. Staying positive is an absolute must but give them a safe place to express their worries as well

[polar owl]

Vent, don't abuse other groups

[naive hound]

That's common sense

[knotty valve]

Just go through Reddit, they’re being gleeful goblins. Literally loser behavior.

[stiff prairie]

no don't go thru reddit

[frozen granite]

Reddit hate doesn’t translate to real hate lol it’s just the same roaches of twitter going back & forth

[polar owl]

Yeah, I am not going through reddit. Don't have energy to respond to losers for now. Like the girls, we will come back stronger

[tired ingot]

[copper current]

It is fine, karma will go to bad people sooner or later. NJZ can learn more and grow more during the wait

[frozen granite]

Let’s hype up the song !!!

[alpine matrix]

YESS

[stiff prairie]

i'm letting my socials marinate first before i watch the song and other performances in best available quality

[polar owl]

Sony, Universal, Warner Music - this is your opportunity.

[knotty valve]

If I was Jungkook seeing all this on my free time in the barracks I’d be crashing out on my own damn company lol

[vapid turret]

What's up everyone heard a bit of the new song but they're going on hiatus again? (out of the loop)

[subtle matrix]

Yes until the legal matters are resolved

[vapid turret]

Fucking lawsuits

How long will that take?

[frozen granite]

I need a billionaire to invest in Njz right nowwwwwwww

[glossy siren]

1 year at least

[vapid turret]

OH COME ON!

[knotty valve]

At least a year unless they somehow resolve asap

[vapid turret]

They're screwed, aren't they?

[knotty valve]

Nope

[quartz creek]

Can we persuade mr beast

[glossy siren]

Go away 💐

[frozen granite]

Guys keep the hype going !!!!!!https://x.com/kchartsmaster/status/1903833369244324015

Kpop Charts (@kchartsmaster) on X

'PITSTOP' is trending at #1 on MelOn search.

X · Mar 23, 2025, 3:37 PM

[vapid turret]

Hell no, he's a crypto scam artist.

[quartz creek]

but he has moolah

[stiff prairie]

But can they find anything there tho?

[vapid turret]

And he launched snacks with moldy cheese in it.

[vapid turret]

He's also harmed contestants on his Squid game copy cat show. Many have reported life altering injuries.

[stiff prairie]

Let's not make it about Mr beast guys. Some like him still, some hate him. And most of us don't really care about him tbh

[frozen granite]

Tokkis went to Hong Kong happy & left crying

[stiff prairie]

Tbf ppl leave crying on all concerts. Even not going into hiatus

[tired cairn]

Updated the transcript based on a recording. It's now accurate (up to edits for sentence structure) to their speech: #1231839760759263232 message

[vapid turret]

On topic of the girls he wouldn't garuntee their health and safety, possibly they would be better off at HYBE than with him.

[fierce cloak]

So basically njz will have to follow the injunction decision until the main lawsuit final right? which hopefully in favor of njz

[stiff prairie]

But the optimists will say till the appeal results. Cause you don't get struck by lightning twice

[polar owl]

Hyein's cover - she slays

[tardy smelt]

I was gonna do a big yap about what I feel but I vented into the chat box and I'm happy with that. I'll say I've accepted the current state of things. It's bittersweet. MHDHH have made a positive impact on my life over the past two years and I'm grateful. So I'll be there when they return even if it means if I'll be pushing 30 by then. 💀

[fierce cloak]

so if njz appeal and win then they can get back to activities quicker, as the main lawsuit can take a long time 🤔 but same time i doubt the injunction may change - sejong would have bring all they can in the 1st round, idk if 2nd round they can do something change significantly

[jolly junco]

Its 12 am and i cant sleep and i need to wakeup at 5

I need to cope

[waxen musk]

So this objection thing is weeks of waiting, right? And that could really change things still?

[jolly junco]

Afaik sejong already applied to court about their objection

[waxen musk]

I'm asking about a result for the objection, obviously.

[jolly junco]

If granted then yes

[stiff prairie]

That's what I'm praying for. Maybe some damning evidence or smth comes up who knows. Njz pr did say smth about main lawsuit procedures letting them get more evidences that they couldn't collect for injunction that might help. But that's main lawsuit not the appeal

[waxen musk]

Yeah people freaking out too soon now in main chat. Trying to calm them down a bit but don't think that works.

[cinder narwhal]

https://x.com/daisyarcana/status/1898169119679385692

Daisy (@daisyarcana) on X

Idk what the relevance is but the “Hanged Man” has been stalking my readings lately. This card talks about pauses, delays, waiting, letting go, or making sacrifices. I’m in the middle of doing Treasure’s reading & pulled it AGAIN 🤔💭

X · Mar 8, 2025, 12:29 AM

[subtle matrix]

imo if the objection ruling is still on HYBE's side, NJZ need to quickly try to get investors/labels to back them and move into settlement discussions. As the legal matter this drags on, their media presence will decrease and investors will lose interest. And since every label has dodgy shit happening behind the scenes, other labels don't really want to see NJZ go nuclear against HYBE

[short laurel]

not even released on streaming platforms. already charting on search engines trend

[jolly junco]

Tbh cant blame them to act like that. The server mods/admin should have posted an announcement about this hiatus and also explain things a bit so they dont go too deeper the negative thoughts

[waxen musk]

lol why am I now imagining a future day where they just do an Attention over again and surprise us out of nowhere after months or years or waiting.

[frozen granite]

& just like that Njz regained all the followers they lost over the past few days bc of the injunction wow

[waxen musk]

You focus on numbers way too much lol

[frozen granite]

I don’t want them to be forgotten or shelved

[vapid turret]

Damn! in Korea or worldwide?

[frozen granite]

That’s how i cope let me be

[jolly junco]

Melon is korea

[waxen musk]

Even if the majority of people in K-pop forget about them for a year. The MOMENT they come back, everybody will be paying attention.

[short laurel]

melon

[vapid turret]

Oh yeah methinks the Korean fans are giving them the boost they need.

[short laurel]

if girls keep making good songs they'll succeed anywhere they go. they not have to be tied down to kpop idol. i actually wish for them to break the mold of idol and become pop star as ot5.

[polar owl]

Sad but true

[vapid turret]

IF?

[frozen granite]

https://x.com/cato_o_o/status/1903824436949843984?s=46&t=6Te6HiJlKHZpNJ8OJ7KFgg

Cato_o_o (@cato_o_o) on X

1.2M🙀

X · Mar 23, 2025, 3:01 PM

[hollow sorrel]

remember how one of the higher ups' daugthers at apple was a NewJeans fan
let's hope they can pull some strings

[short laurel]

we don't much about how they'll make songs own their on. we don't know with whom they made this new song or they did on their own. we know dani and hanni can make their own but not other 3. all the songs released so far has been with help of og ador team so we have to wait and c to know how their creativity is with full freedom. (sorry my mind not englishing well so i hope my sentence was understandable)

[frozen granite]

That’s who I was having in mind

[vapid turret]

No no no you're implying they can't make good songs.

[polar owl]

Chill, that was probably not the intent

[short laurel]

"if girls keep making good songs" i edited that. sorry my english not englishing rn

[hollow sorrel]

orrr the way they have collaborated with PowerPuff girls multiple times, which is the IP of Warner Bros --> Warner Bros has a music label which is literally the top3 labels in the US
I need them to get networking during this hiatus

[polar owl]

Warner, UMG, Sony - what are these guys up to?

[vapid turret]

Oh no, not with Cartoon hater David Zaslav as CEO.

They can't even take care of their main mascots (looney Tunes)

[short laurel]

which label livvy is under ?

[vapid turret]

Who?

[jolly junco]

Warner

[marble cape]

no umg but the other two is fine

[short laurel]

warner. nice

[hollow sorrel]

waittt the theory might be theory-ing...

[short laurel]

they seem to support livvy well so i hope . hybe can't hold a candle to them

[red thorn]

Amplify or something
Under warner Korea

[short laurel]

yea mplify. it's in ss above

[vapid turret]

Oh Korea only not in the USA

[flint stone]

Wait what, on MelOn? How so? It's not out

[knotty valve]

Nah that persons awful lol

[short laurel]

melon search. not melon streaming

[vapid turret]

Yeah it's not even on streaming platforms yet

[frozen granite]

Someone extracted the song https://pixeldrain.com/u/FG8SJLsT

[red thorn]

Warner Korea caught issue with 5050 case tho

[flint stone]

O, I see, thanks

[short laurel]

there was camera man so i hope we get pro cut. quality of sound should be better

[night niche]

i made a little breakdown of what could happen if NJZ wins or loses, please read if you’re stressing about it!

[knotty valve]

https://x.com/feels4dani/status/1903818058445000841?s=46&t=gmLXtzx0qwyMr9VaWn65sw

so real

lili (@feels4dani) on X

Bitch, I waited for blackpink, I would wait a whole life for you @NJZ_official

X · Mar 23, 2025, 2:36 PM

[night niche]

wait someone let me know if it’s not working

[tardy smelt]

type of shit i'm on rn

[jolly junco]

I’m afraid its gonna make me more stressing out

[night niche]

no it’s actually very hopeful

[jolly junco]

But there is still loses scenario

In my future i dont see a world where there is a lose scenario for MHDHH

[hushed whale]

theyre enlisted just like boygroups

[jolly junco]

They enlisted before they hit 20……

[night niche]

whether they win or “lose” legally, they’ll find successful no matter what

[honest sky]

ㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤ

[short laurel]

was about to say that. think of it like girls going to military service

[jolly junco]

I have been a chill tokkis for MONTHS, and then this happens. I’m furious

[hoary frost]

Minji military when

[hushed whale]

🫡

[honest sky]

No

[short laurel]

just relax with new song and go outside. we all need a break to come back and support girls stronger

[polar owl]

Getting out of the control of Ador, no matter what, will be victory. Don't want them to snap in that company.

[night niche]

yes that’s kind of what i meant, whether they win or “lose” legally, they’re not going to be returning back to ador ever again.

[short laurel]

we all better prepare for fund raising. girls gonna need it.

either for lawsuit cost or for penalty

[hollow sorrel]

is it even possible to fund raise something like this? cause if yes we should lowkey start preparing for the worst case scenario. and if they win they have budget for their new projects

[night niche]

again yall should read this here, and i’ll probably make another document on how fans can properly support NJZ

[short laurel]

i feel like i'll get depressed so i m not reading it now. maybe tomorrow

[night niche]

yall it’s not depressing i swear 😭

[polar owl]

I am actually stepping out...I never felt so bad even when it had to with failures in my personal life. I need to be 'dittoed'

[night niche]

make sure to take care of yourself! don’t dwell on the negatives and focus on the great future ahead of NJZ

[subtle matrix]

I think y'all need to chill with the "they can relocate" ideas. That would require them to abandon Korea and most if not all their activities there, which is by far their biggest market

[shrewd badger]

It's not an ideal situation but it's better than not being able to do anything

[rain spade]

is the korean speech going to be translated or already translatted >

[tardy smelt]

relocating is not realistic

[subtle matrix]

That is up to them to decide. I don't think that sort of speculation is necessary or helpful

[rich monolith]

[night niche]

ok im done typing up docs for now 🙏🏾

[swift spire]

damn honestly i thought the lawyers supporting MHDHH must have had to be so strong with their game to be advising them to terminate their contract back in november last year like that but nope. i did think it was such a weird move but still trusted and supported them with their decision but now it looks like the lawyers really did have no solid plan. idk who to blame on now its all so demoralising rn

[rain spade]

i think itt would be bettter to have this legal issue solve. comforttably work when is done ratther than have it at the back of their minds in some otther country

[frozen granite]

Lawyers didn’t advise them to terminate their contracts, it was them who wanted out bc of the mistreatment.

Which is understandable, no one would want to work under a company who wants to sabotage them or doesn’t care about them. We just have to trust the process. I mean after all HYBE is a huge company

[swift spire]

yeah ofc we all know that, but i really did think they must have had a strong legal team to back them up with that decision since its so out of the ordinary like that

[hoary frost]

I know y’all might hate me for this, and don’t get me wrong I like newjeans, but honestly, this feels like it was all planned to get out of ADOR/HYBE. They’re saying they were mistreated and mismanaged, but if that were really the case, wouldn’t the usual response be taking a break or trying to work things out first? but they already had everything set up the moment they terminated their contract.

[frozen granite]

No one can hate you for having an opinion. Ngl at times I’d think this before, but who in their mind in their peak of their popularity would engage in legal battles that are emotionally & financially taxing with the uncertainty that it might not work out

[hollow sorrel]

and they do? sejong is a really good law firm they helped JYJ escape SM and a lot of other stuff in the past. Just because the injunction was granted doesn't mean they will lose the main lawsuit.

[rancid falcon]

I think HYBE higher ups colluded against NJZ because of personal issues with MHJ. i think MHJ seems difficult to work with but you can't deny that she understands how to do creative direction extremely effectively and she understands trends in a way lots of Kpop producers really dont

[craggy skiff]

Hard to say. We dont know exactly what they were submitting to court.
And if they summary is correct, the court decision is ridiculous while they ignore the points njz side bring. These are not weak, just because the court looks like hybe bias

[storm warren]

they're saying that ador wasnt able to protect them when third party violated their rights and interfered with them. nothing was planned. ador failed to protect them from source music, belift, hybe but the court sees no distinction between old management and new management.

[night niche]

i hope you’re not trying to imply in this message they’re lying/exaggerating the mistreatment they faced

[storm warren]

njz is entitled to feel unsafe in environment that sabotaged them. erasing a year of mediaplay and attempt to trash their image is laughable.

[rancid falcon]

it's so crazy how much people support HYBE with their whole chest and act as if the girls have no brains or agency and are brainwashed lemmings. if they didn't believe MHJ was central to their success, I truly don't think they would have any reason to follow her.

[sage venture]

once again, someone failed to live up to the information They've been mistreated from the very start The promise of their debut was broken, and they're not even allowed to promote themselves The fact that they can even say they're all teenager MHJ was their only shield, and now she's been fired Are you really expect them to stay there?

[hoary frost]

I'm not, it just came to my mind based on what I read. At this point, nothing is certain and we call all just assume

[storm warren]

lol

[dark glade]

Tbh, it would not work you don’t see many kpop groups under western labels, plus if the girls did do that they are getting so much hate from Koreans and this can make the situation 1000 times worse. Their biggest market is Korea so they can’t just leave, plus they have school, friends and family

[short laurel]

just thinking about this case makes me sad rn even if it's positive. i honestly should be taking a break.

[rancid falcon]

and I honestly enjoy ILLIT but it's hard for me not to see it as a way for HYBE to undermine their own group. It's a way to capitalize on the success of their concept and aesthetic without having to go through the "difficult" to work with element (MHJ) and gain more profit for the company (ie, HYBE still benefits from newjeans but also has illit) but divert away from what NJZ would get for their own aesthetic and concept.

[subtle matrix]

I think it's possible to understand all the motivations behind the girls and why they're fighting this fight but also believe that they probably will not be able to build enough of a legal case to leave ador without compensating them

[night niche]

the support for HYBE is also partly a result of the general right wing shift with the media and world recently as well

[rancid falcon]

it's so insane to see all the pro-corporate discourse

[night niche]

misinformation about generally everything is more rampant then ever

[storm warren]

its due to loss. court order is irrefutable for a lot of people

[rancid falcon]

I'm a realist, don't get me wrong. but it's insane for people to act like HYBE is a righteous actor somehow

[storm warren]

if you win, they side with you. if not, you are over

[rancid falcon]

I believe courts are fallible. anyone with legal training knows this to be the case.

[craggy skiff]

I love how negative news about bsh immediately wipes out while njz one brings up everywhere.
Ador said they do their best but they do not even ask dispatch to delete the leaked video.
They also use dispatch pics as they document while as a management label, they must object to the tracking and disclosure of members' personal information

[night niche]

and that’s unfortunate for people because if you look into history, the general consensus is unfortunately the korean court lacks judicial independence from politics and that it has had problems with siding with large companies and corporations

[short laurel]

everything wrong is being shared on social media alot more recently.

[night niche]

my government class lingo is taking a hold of me lol

[subtle matrix]

Also, although people here try to hand wave it, the fact is that whether they wanted to or not, NJZ fighting against HYBE negatively affects other groups. And fans of those groups will not be happy with them getting dragged into this. There are multiple POVs here

[swift spire]

its so demoralising seeing the media shift and so many antis coming out to attack the girls rn man its so so sad

[night niche]

yep, and it’s unfortunately because large social media companies are siding with right wing rich elites (or are ran by them… cough cough twt)

[blazing sky]

im not well versed in courts, but if the result is april 4th (or something close to that) why are people saying its going to take years? im just confused 😭

[night niche]

it’s negatively affecting groups because fans would rather engages in fanwars with each other than see the bigger picture

[glossy siren]

No result, that is the first call

[short laurel]

that's why many tokkies maintaining a strong stance that artists are not wrong. company is. hybe stans have this problem of not differentiating it. if it was any other companym their groups fnadom would've supported in cursing the company.

[blazing sky]

like the first decision? and i assume both sides would appeal the decision whichever way it goes?

[short laurel]

for example SM's number 1 hater are sm gorups fandom

[sage venture]

relocation isn’t such a crazy idea They don’t need Korea if it’s going to treat them like this They might not be as successful as before, but that’s not the most important thing They'll be doing what they love Not to mention Korea is one giant legal shithole for various reasons rn

[glossy siren]

No decision. First discussion

[blazing sky]

ohhh

[swift spire]

its not going to be easy with all the legal shit behind it

[storm warren]

people just lack common sense and logical reasoning. their though process is simple. njz does not have resources to clean their image, hybe has lots of resources to run their narrative via their part timers on sns and media lapdogs. court ruling against them makes it impossible for njz to defend themselves in front of public because it discredits everything njz has done or said, no one cares about technicalities and reason. only win matters bc ppl cant be bothered to think

[subtle matrix]

Every fanbase has toxic members who take every opportunity to engage in fanwars. That's true for fearnots, glitts and tokkis alike.

[rancid falcon]

imagine being a stan to a company
wild

[short laurel]

yea ik. i was talking about defending the company, it's somewhat unique to hybe groups fandom.

[storm warren]

sk ruling can be enforced anywhere if ador files case. they need to get out of this first

[craggy skiff]

You almost make me believe it is mhj and njs failed.
But remember who brought this mess to the public at first?

Instead of blaming hybe, these jokers attack njs when they report things internally?

[short laurel]

even if hybe lose, all it'll take is 1 bts cb and their lost image forgotten.

[storm warren]

cant care about other groups. they will be fine and hybe will keep pouring resources in them. and they are throwing pity party for them everywhere from reddit to theqoo

[sage venture]

No one can enforce anything even in Korea except paying penalties later The hiatus is their choice

[subtle matrix]

Not caring about other groups is a valid choice. But if you hold that position, you cannot complain when fans of other groups do not care about NJZ

[polar owl]

Lost interest in other groups unfortunately.

[night niche]

peak mental illness

[short laurel]

we want them to not care. problem is they butting in when it's not even about them(army).

[modern fog]

is everything good chat

[storm warren]

i will be grateful if they stop caring

[polar owl]

Yes 🙂

[modern fog]

I'll that that skull reacts as NO!

[cerulean coral]

Im ngl since this stuff started and I've been getting sick of kpop and anything about it i just listen to the music

[short laurel]

hi jhin. the mmod everyone likes

[rain spade]

Are you planning to lock it
that's what the skull meant

[swift spire]

time for server hiatus jhin

[hoary frost]

i stop listening to kpop for a while 🙂

[subtle matrix]

A lot of them don't care (in the sense that they don't care about the well being of NJZ). Which is why they're posting negative stuff about them. I think things would go a lot better if we all cared about all of them, but I don't think that's possible

[modern fog]

no but lmk if there's a troll or whatever

[short laurel]

if they truely didn't care, they won't be following this drama more deeply than us. they know what njz post even be4 bnz's

[polar owl]

They are jealous of NJZ's success, maybe

[swift spire]

its even worse in vietnam right now because of hanni’s family situation

[craggy skiff]

The best thing they can do is do not care about njz and I hope they could do it
No, they care but they only pick negative news and spread it everywhere

[short laurel]

why do people care so much about what grand parents did ages ago and blame it on kids. it only shows they haven't moved on.

[subtle matrix]

I think kpop fandom is general is so toxic that every fanbase attacks every other fanbase for every sort of reason lol regardless of whether a group is successful or not

[sage venture]

whether NJZ or anyone else, following someone just to hate is mental illness No need to even engage in that conversation

[hoary frost]

That's socmed in general. People like drama so they'll just pick negative news

[craggy skiff]

Lol. Always. VBunnies survive in the most hell-like server

[short laurel]

yes true. and u know whats funny. hybe has most toxic fandom army and least toxic fandom carat. which is funny to me.

[upbeat stream]

I have heard that they've been hated in Vietnam from the beginning, but then how come they are the best charting 4th gen group on Vietnamese spotify?

[swift spire]

its so hopeless going on the internet rn

[night niche]

that’s why i don’t interact with the kpop fandom most of the time, especially since im black it’s 10x cause people are extremely racist

[waxen musk]

What I will never get is the celebration aspect of these losses. It doesn’t benefit anybody even the people celebrating. Strange.

[upbeat stream]

Like no one is even close, if you look at numbers

[swift spire]

ego boost i guess

haters lack so much love they need to constantly bring others down to feel good

[short laurel]

probably another case of toxicity only online but really loved irl.

[frozen granite]

Me trying to break the tension in this chat

[short laurel]

honestly i've never seen any veitnam fan who hate njz. all veitnam people i've seen loves njz.

[craggy skiff]

We just adapt under pressure. Lol

[craggy skiff]

No 💀

[swift spire]

the media in vietnam is mostly njz antis

[rich monolith]

[frozen granite]

No as in you’re disagreeing or agreeing ?

[short laurel]

it's just my own experience. and who even trusts media especially those who hates on young girls. not to mention all 5 girls were minor at debut

chances are it's related to politics if they are focusing on her family

[swift spire]

its hard to explain if youre not in the vietnamese community but they are very toxic haters who mostly target on hanni because of her family situation with vietnamese politics yeah

[short laurel]

so they are just people to ignore. just online haters, it doesn't translate to real life.

[craggy skiff]

You know what, almost every social media page in vietnam hates njs( not government channel)
Except for njs fanpages, we only have 1 neutral page to correct false information.
And we lost it after the last court

[swift spire]

yep

[short laurel]

that's sad. then how come girls charting good there ?

[swift spire]

its so heartbreaking and hopeless rn lol

[frozen granite]

Wait can someone dm me why hanni is hated in Vietnam?

[craggy skiff]

Other vbunnies stream well?

[frozen granite]

Idk the entire situation & I’d like to be informed

[polar owl]

Yeah, I was thinking of the same 😢

[clear saffron]

Same here 😭

[short laurel]

yea. i m just saying it's only online. offline most people probably don't give a shit. and only like her for her as artists

[polar owl]

Why would ppl hate her?

[night niche]

i’ll explain in a document yall

[polar owl]

I love your documents @night niche . 😂

[night niche]

thank you!

[craggy skiff]

In short, can you imagine the situation if south korea and north korea merged into one? a part of the losing side left to live abroad and hanni's family was part of that.

[polar owl]

This is well written. Well written.
Instead of some us feeling hollow, it is more empowering to draw strength from the courage & conviction shown by MHDHH, and use it in our own lives.

[frozen granite]

@craggy skiff Hmm I see, in this hypothetical scenario were the people who left from SK or NK, not that it makes a difference, but it keeps things into perspective

[polar owl]

Don't get it

[craggy skiff]

Hatred of the losing side is channeled and maintained to create internal unity. When the Hanni family is exposed for having a history of serving the losing side, haters channel hatred and patriotism to vilify them.

[polar owl]

Was Lisa hated in Thailand? If so, I see a pattern.

[stiff prairie]

guys how are y'all coping so far

[short laurel]

i thought lisa was loved in thailand

[polar owl]

Another day in paradise

[frozen granite]

She is loved in Thailand

[short laurel]

basically hanni is just scapegoat for their hatred.

[frozen granite]

Someone from twl said they categorized her as the Beyoncé of Thailand

[short laurel]

wow that's huge. i wouldn't put her that high though

[frozen granite]

I guess Thai people are very proud of her which they should bc I’m also proud of her she’s my bias

Anyway, thanks for explaining me the hanni situation

[night niche]

im almost done with the document, im just rereading it to make sure i have my fact right

[craggy skiff]

Correct. Even dani as well

[short laurel]

wait why dani?

[polar owl]

They are scapegoats where? In SK or their home countries?

[short laurel]

whoever hates dani is a devil

[swift spire]

they mocked her use of “chinese new year” instead of lunar new year

[short laurel]

read above. in veitnam for politics.

[polar owl]

Absolutely, Dani is rhe sweetest 🤩

[short laurel]

oh that was most likely hybe doing hybe things back then. drama over nothing.

it died down very quickly too

[tardy smelt]

happy. proud. claiming their rebellious energy. what we're going through now is just respite. good times will come again, eventually.

[polar owl]

One thing I have ssen - online hate ≠ IRL

[swift spire]

lets just hope our girls get more support and love in actual life than what we see online

[night niche]

happy, hopeful, and so so proud

[sage venture]

i'm worried, but not at the same time The girls aren’t the type to wait for someone to save them

[craggy skiff]

Lol. Dani once used "chinese new year" Instead of "lunar new year". She is sorry after that but anti use it to trigger the hate toward china.
Tbh, no one give a f about that but everytime we got a post about dani, it always spam and mimic her mistake

[polar owl]

Thanks, never knew this.

[swift spire]

perfectly written, however i would say A LOT of people in vn are on the hater side in the name of so called patriotism

[stiff prairie]

Thanks for the good vibes. Life is about ups and downs. Gotta power thru the downs so we feel good about the ups 💪

[polar owl]

In these days, anyone can take offense over anything. So, I wouldn't care

[short laurel]

honestly i only saw it when it happened. after that i never saw it online. most likely hybe creating it similar all lil "controversies" girls got into since debut

[swift spire]

but its just toxic patriotism, they dont even do enough research or judge the situation objectively, they just want to hate.

[tardy smelt]

for sure. here's a lil wisdom from ol' bob.

[polar owl]

This is happening around the world.

[stiff prairie]

Goat with goated advice fr

[night niche]

ofc! im not sure how well this situation is known outside of vietnam

[potent lichen]

I was in Vietnam summer 2022 when they debuted and everyone was obsessed with them

[craggy skiff]

You know what is the most funny things? VAnti call themself are patriotism, but when the government news channel used Hanni's situation as an example of misguided patriotism, they ignored it

[potent lichen]

I also visited Australia last year and lots of Aussie pride for NJZ

[swift spire]

yeah their debut was huge and everyone loved them, but that was before an image of her family supporting the opposite side resurfaced on the internet

[short laurel]

so good. one can only know worth of light after going through darkness. but we human needs constant reminder of it.

[craggy skiff]

As a vietnames, I happy to see hanni improve her vietnames skill but at the same time, I hate that she could see the shiity post they talk about her

[polar owl]

Why am I constantly looking for an update on njz_official? 😢

[stiff prairie]

This is the biggest worry for me. Whether they continue using insta or not.

[swift spire]

i guess being toxic haters is just the nature of these keyboard warriors that take joy in mass bullying and bringing others down. its a sickening world we live in and i doubt its going to change any time soon. especially within the kpop industry

[tardy smelt]

straight up, Hanni is repping my Aussie Viet background so i'm so fucking proud of her

[polar owl]

People hating on them have not put 1% of the hard work which these girls have

[leaden thistle]

Guys, as so the complexcon just now are temporary their last performance, and from now we have to wait their next court from apr 3?

[tardy smelt]

yeah, we're just waiting indefinitely now. it's a good time to take a break and focus on other parts of life. they'll be back eventually.

[frozen granite]

Eventually = next week
coping

[tardy smelt]

eventually meaning music

[leaden thistle]

Also i see have a lot of things here talking abt toxic haters or sum, well ig ima just ignore what toxic haters said, toxic haters is just them

Yes tru hating dani is evil and a devil

[frozen granite]

Anyway yall be safe I have a presentation to do happy njz debut to everyone who celebrates it

[sage venture]

i just want to see bbansaz’s weekly yapping That's all

[polar owl]

As I said, the toxic haters will also be the one to buy their tickets when a show arrives.

[leaden thistle]

"looks who was getting money" ahh reference

Anyways, pretty happy to see njz able to perform at complexcon, keep it up everyone!

[strong stream]

so real like the girls just wanted to get out of a horrible company and they get bullied for losing???

[short laurel]

i dw much about this. they'll keep us in touch, they just pausing official activies. talking to fans doesn't count as one.

[sage venture]

Yep I hope so Also I’m not even sure if that injunction stops you from singing on Instagram We’ll see

[stiff prairie]

patience is the name of the game now. i think i joined the server after mhj saga started. before that i was a bit more on the casual side and only opinion i placed in was r/newjeans and my stance there was whether it be 6 months or 2 year or the full remaining contract period, i'd be waiting for them to do their thing, come back and keep us entertained. obv now i'm way more attached to them so the chance of a big hiatus is gut wrenching. and 2/4 yrs from now is a long time but remember that they debuted way earlier than others. hyein would be ~20 and hanni/minji would be ~25. so even in the worst case they'd still have years left to be idols and ofc more when they go actress/solo singers route. whether it's 2 months 2 yrs or 4 yrs we'll eat good when it's our time. and all the pain and wait will be worth it in the end

[short laurel]

it doesn't. they not earning money from it. u can c ig as girls personal account but ot5. every idol has one to share with fans.

[polar owl]

They will be better wherever they are than snapping in a horrible workplace. But I wish they had a few more years of success as NJ, even if this had to happen

Just been 2 years

[sage venture]

but if you let the snowball effect play out, it raises hypothetical questions like 'Is it possible to perform if they don’t get paid?' So I don't really know rn

[short laurel]

it's just ig, not a concert stream. the contract can't restrict what girls do outside idol activities. it won't cause any problems.

[polar owl]

Ngl, some months back it was hard for me to tell the three H apart from each other in NJZ 😅 Now all this is a life defining event.

[sage venture]

that’s what I think but I don’t know the full extent since I couldn’t find a precedent

[short laurel]

Restricting even this would be too much. They go extreme yea but not everything can be legally binding. It would be complete slavery otherwise. Many idols live stream ig without their management consent all the time.

[polar owl]

Jpop idols do have such contracts

Hopefully this is not the case here

[short laurel]

I not follow idol industry of jpop. But as i said not everything in contract are legally binding if they gi against laws. Most ppl just don't know or have resources to question or fight it. Besides here court only restricted activities such as advertisement n music. It said nothing about talking to fans on social media

[stiff prairie]

yeah we want the best outcome for them ofc but we gotta work w what we have in our hands. personally it's really hard for me to love something/someone let alone celebrities but here i am. and i'll hold on to this feeling forever. whether they're superstars in the future or ppl forget them after a few years of inactivity i'll be there. this is a bit selfish from my side cause the trajectory they were on is being the best kpop act out there and them not achieving that status is unfair to them. but i keep reminding myself that i fell in love w this group personally not because of how successful they were in 2 years but simply because i loved ditto and somehow went deeper into their other music, their personalities, how they interact with each other, with fans and lately how brave they are in fighting for what they believe is the right thing. i don't regret a bit that even tho i chose to stan them for my entertainment i've gotten sad and worried a lot of times.

[jade jolt]

Do you guys think they will keep using ig to comunicate with us and post despite announcing the hiatus?

[short laurel]

I honestly doubt it's legal to have this much restriction in japan idol.

I believe they will keep us in touch

[frozen granite]

I think an anti came

Just ignore

[jade jolt]

Hope so too

[stiff prairie]

technically they shouldn't under court rulings cause it's damaging nj ip while they're in contracts but my selfish ass hopes they will. notice how we didn't get the usual hanni yap session like after every other emotional phase

[sage venture]

maybe it’s time to open an individual account? I’m not sure, but they’ll keep in touch

[shrewd badger]

For the trial in the April, will they attend in person ?

[short laurel]

Ruling doesn't say not to use social media to talk to fans. Only ads n making music stuff

[polar owl]

Here's an example

[sage venture]

WTF?

[short laurel]

That's public issue not legal issue.

[subtle matrix]

Whatever korea does poorly you can trust japan will do worse

[short laurel]

Did management take her to court over this?

[shrewd badger]

The jpop industry is kinda of weird in the sense that its both lenient and not at the same time

[stiff prairie]

ador's claim would be we gave u phoning use that if u wanna stay connected to fans till court says we're in the wrong

[subtle matrix]

Japanese idol culture is even more toxic than korea's

[sage venture]

that sounds like someone’s going to jail

[short laurel]

Riize member was given death threat for having a gf in high school n kicked out of group. So which is worse

[shrewd badger]

The amount of death wreath they send that child was awful 😞

[stiff prairie]

bruh. is the head shaving part of the appology?

[subtle matrix]

I will say the "woman being 'forced' to shave her head as an apology" is worse

[short laurel]

Does contract says to only use phoning? Idtk.

[polar owl]

She did on her own of course when rebuked. But how can you have such a clause in the first place?

[sage venture]

but I'm pretty sure you can yap under your own name, no matter what

[short laurel]

Japanese government want ppl to date marry n have kids. They'd rather support the girl if it goes to court. Kpop has no dating clause too btw but it got liniet now

[stiff prairie]

i think so. like "unauthorized use of social media publicly" should be somewhere in the contract

[frozen granite]

Where are the mods omg

[subtle matrix]

Karina also had to apologise when her relationship was outed but kpop contract usually don't actually have dating bans (unlike japan) and she obviously didn't have to go that far to appease fans

[short laurel]

Many idols have social media they use without consent of management. This much freedom should be there.

[subtle matrix]

iirc Miyeon also left blackpink for a dating scandal or something? Or at least it was a factor

[shrewd badger]

Who's miyeon ?

[short laurel]

Sm contract used to have a clause. Some might still have in smaller labels.

[subtle matrix]

g idle vocalist (not main)

She was part of blackpink as a trainee

[dapper root]

that was a rumor

there’s no basis to it

[stiff prairie]

i hope so. since i'm just speculating

[shrewd badger]

I heard that was only a rumour, other people said she left because the debut kept being pushed back

[short laurel]

N girls are only restricted to making songs n doing brand deals in injunction. Girls still have to maintain there termination stance.

[dapper root]

which is probably the reason like 6 other girls left aswell 😭😭

[subtle matrix]

Yes I think there were many possible factors, solo career also one

[dapper root]

youha chaein seoyeon miyeon jinny

a couple other girls

apart of pink punk but anyways NJ UPDATES ONLY!!

[shrewd badger]

During the contact validity trials , is it possible only some of the member's contract are legally considered terminated

[polar owl]

No offense to anyone, but some japanese fandoms are weird with child / preteen idols being stanned only by older men in their concerts. Meet & greet events with idols as young as 12. Will stop here.

[shrewd badger]

Like hanni's case seems easiest to argue for

[dapper root]

acting like kpop isnt any different is comical

[short laurel]

That's why i not follow japanese idol industry. Only jpop

[tardy smelt]

I'm the same as you in the sense that I wasn't the type of person to become emotionally invested in celebrities. I've grown so much witnessing their passion - I've learnt to appreciate living in my youth after losing my post high school years to the pandemic and career focus, I've learnt to appreciate music, and I've let myself become inspired to pick up new skills like guitar. I'm grateful for the positive impact they've made on my life so I'll always support them wherever they end up.

[shrewd badger]

Kpop has similar weird fandom, the mean ages of kpop group gets increasingly smaller

The best benefit about jpop industry is really the money, concerts sell out a lot

[short laurel]

Japanese idol goes extreme in it. I can't mention it here. But it's very very disgusting. In kpop this part is atleast not publicly seen that much only rare cases.

[shrewd badger]

Yeah that's true , I've seen 12 year old child idols with middle aged men as fans

[short laurel]

Anyways if u going into japanese music. Stay away from idol industry.
N some kpop fans coming to jpop keep calling artists as idol kinda annoys me.

[dapper root]

no one gonna remember hyein debuted at 15 huh

[subtle matrix]

It's a bit different imo

[short laurel]

I m talking about p* shi. Not just early debut. Jpop idol is that bad

[dapper root]

and active in the industry younger

[subtle matrix]

Although there was news about a possible idol searching competition in korea with contestants being between 3 and 15 which is crazy

[dapper root]

yeah the gravure shit is weird

[polar owl]

True. I do follow Babymetal, they are not the typical idol group. Rest music of any anime is great

[shrewd badger]

As young as three years old 😭 what in the child exploitation is that

[short laurel]

There's so much more outside anime. Anime songs is like not even 0.1%

[polar owl]

True.

[short laurel]

Baby metal i love them. Miss old members though

[polar owl]

Yui?

[subtle matrix]

I also feel idols in korea are promoted much more as groups while in japan there's a lot more individuality which can put these really young idols in awkward positions

[stiff prairie]

yep. even when i'm older in future and stop "stanning" them it's nice to know already how i'd feel about them in the future for their future. and there are thousands of others like me asw. just because they won't be as rich or famous as they could have been doesn't mean they'd not have enough love for them. that much is enough for me.
-# just noticed it sounds like those old ahh folks in yt comments that keep saying father/mother of 3 children but i love new jeans etc

[shrewd badger]

It's low-key a competition between the idols in those big groups

[short laurel]

I mostly look at anime songs to find new indie artists. They invite so many good indie artists in small to big animes

[short laurel]

Yes.

[polar owl]

It's weird, buy nobody knows anything about her. Cannot imagine a celebrity in SK suddenly disappear from public life.

[polar owl]

Do dm me some, if possible.

[short laurel]

Japan respect privacy ALOT. Many artists have retired n ppl let them go.

[short laurel]

Look up utaite. There's many there many. They start as covering songs then expand. Yoasobi members started as utaite singer n producer

[short laurel]

There are also japanese artists who not want their face publically known on internet. They have performed without covering on stage but even broadcast will censor the face, we saw many in last japan new year fest where njz performed

I really love this about japan

||this is also why i was mad at jason for using camera in laudge backstage||

[hollow sorrel]

I think the main lawsuit won’t take as long as some people claim tbh.

It’s a lawsuit to determine the validity of NJZ’s contracts, not to terminate them.

So people saying the lawsuit might take 2+ years are definitely wrong imo, I think it will be shorter, but still months long.

[polar owl]

Amen

[stiff prairie]

valid crash out

[short laurel]

It could be open n shut case or it could go on really long. That's how this usually goes. Loona case battle was long. Most stopped following after girls won injunction. Even though there case was much easier cuz of bbc not giving them their earnings

[mild mist]

well the question is whether the penalty fees is in this case or if that's another

[polar owl]

Guarantee one thing. People will look back at this moment, and realise how revolutionary NJ has been

More ppl are coming out and defending them from haters

[frozen granite]

Is pitstop still trending in melon search ????

[stiff prairie]

[woven umbra]

was there anything in the court documents about NJZ’s lawyers claiming ILLIT mocked Hanni cuz I’m seeing that headline and wondering if its media wording as opposed to what was actually said?..

[abstract herald]

This was me during debut I feel like most people went through this I only recognized danielle when I started 😭😭

[waxen musk]

Why did people start saying years in the first place? I’ve just been parroting this forever but I think everyone has been too and not sure where this expectation came from in the first place.

[glossy siren]

just think about what source is doing with mhj, rescheduling court dates months later 1 day before a call

[waxen musk]

I still need to read the injunction ruling now it’s been translated. Apparently it really gives you a good understanding of why these things can only be decided this way when only given a few hours of hearings. Main lawsuit being in depth should clear up the truth of individual details because right now people take the injunction passing as meaning everything NJZ said was a lie.

[glossy siren]

it's going to be a time game, hybe want to keep the girls inactive as long as they can so the market will be empty for them to fill

[sage venture]

there are many techniques that can delay the process if your goal is simply to stall, such as ignoring notices, changing lawyers at the last minute and then requesting extra time

[hollow sorrel]

well based on past cases and the rescheduling thing too

[polar owl]

Court cases are known to drag

Unless fast-tracked by govt

[tiny peak]

the injunction ruling seems cruel in this case then, wish there could have been some compromise in the meantime instead of NJZ can't do anything

[polar owl]

Hence the objection

[sage venture]

yes, that’s why this one is so puzzling

[abstract herald]

I’m glad they need all the love and support they can get

[polar owl]

Judge seemed to only consider Hybe's interest - they will lose money, etc....girls were not abused enough and should go back to the dungeon

[hollow shore]

Just my own thoughts...but I think when BTS comes back Hybe and all these hybe supporters will be focusing on supporting them rather than attacking NJZ. I feel like so many of the online attacks against NJZ are because people are bored.

[hoary frost]

i hope so

[hollow shore]

I don't know if MHJ is difficult to work for. But it seems like all kpop execs she is demanding and expects excellence. But most of the people who work directly with her didn't have issues. I feel like BSH only had issues because MHJ was the one getting praise for NJZ's success rather than him. I just wish BSH/Hybe could work out a reasonable settlement that would eventually allow NJZ out of the contract.

[waxen musk]

the other groups who had issues under hybe gfriend and fromis_9 all had zero involvement from bsh too right?

[dapper root]

well its because fromis was still pledis

And gfriend was still source

[storm warren]

nah, bsh was involved in gf

[short laurel]

Bah did work with gfriend after hybe brought somu but their disbandment was sudden even to members

Gfriend were preparing for cb iirc when they were told about it

[subtle matrix]

Realistically most execs in positions of power probably have ego issues

Conflicts between high level execs are pretty much to be expected

[short laurel]

Mhj has huge ego too btw. But atleast she give credits where it deserves.

[waxen musk]

still waiting for people to answer the question of who didnt ever like working with her apart from employee b

[short laurel]

Bsh meanwhile calling himself king of kpop in that newyork times article 💀

[hollow sorrel]

that's why we pray for the judge to change the injunction partially

maybe the girls can do independent activities but ADOR gets a relatively larger cut of earnings? that would be a good middle ground

[dapper root]

that was just the title of the article

never said by himself

[subtle matrix]

That isn't happening without a court mandated mediation process which would require a trial

[short laurel]

Do u think it's normal for a newspaper to call a producer king of kpop?
Even recent media calling him he looks like txt member. Do u really think media would call him like that willingly?

[dapper root]

yeah its called marketing and journalism it gets you to click the article

im literally studying media 😭

[hollow sorrel]

:/

this would be much better than what's going to happen now (no activities from the girls, even if they are inside ADOR, they can't be forced to work

that way at least both parties could be statisfied as the girls could continue working and ADOR would still make money.

[short laurel]

Why bsh. Why not jyp lsm or yg?

[dapper root]

because the interview is with him?

[short laurel]

Thise guys have guven interviews too. But they nvr got titles like that

[dapper root]

i could probably find you some

[night niche]

mwehehe another doc

[short laurel]

Find me.

[dapper root]

but just don’t spread misinformation it doesnt help anyone

[short laurel]

It's not misinformation. Watching his interview u can clearly tell what he think of himself.

[dapper root]

https://m.koreatimes.co.kr/pages/article.amp.asp?newsIdx=391405

[subtle matrix]

Technically they still can work they just can't release anything or let ador know they're doing it lol

[dapper root]

heres that for lsm

[night niche]

i may or may not start posting these on twt but not sure yet

[dapper root]

with yg you just find gambling articles

[short laurel]

They didn't give him any title here?

[dapper root]

but you see how the wording works for headlines?

he wants to “build a future beyond kpop”

he made you click it

the “king of kpop” is just a SEO keyword

[short laurel]

It's not same imo. Lsm did start n gave countless big groups.

Bsh got bts but calling him king if kpop.

[dapper root]

what does that sentence even mean

i mean bts is one of the biggest groups in the world

[short laurel]

Yea so why not call bts king of kpoo.

[dapper root]

because the article is about hitman bang himself

and scooter braun

its the content of the article

?

its all context man

[short laurel]

U don't understand.

[dapper root]

obviously you dont 😭

[night niche]

what are we talking abt here

[waxen musk]

🍿 damien time

[lucid yarrow]

[dapper root]

he never called himself the king of kpop thats misinformation but it really doesnt matter

[short laurel]

He constantly praise himself for his teams achivement n it's reflects in his interviews. N u c media title praising him more.

[shrewd badger]

Didn't a media thing say he's handsome like a txt member 💀

[short laurel]

Yea

[dapper root]

yeah that was crazy 😭😭

[heady harbor]

yeah man that was insane

[shrewd badger]

That's outrageous 😭, they straight up lying for no reason

[dapper root]

the nyt article is a bit different since its really glazing the success of bang opening up hybe america

[night niche]

that was ridiculous

[short laurel]

N how company is so fast to defend him.

[dapper root]

but saying “he said this” when the article never stated is misinformation

[shrewd badger]

He probably has a dedicated pr team just for him 😭

Dude thinks he's an idol atp

[short laurel]

It's obvious he make them write thise kinds of titles

[dapper root]

nope

[short laurel]

It is to me.

[dapper root]

usually the person who gets articles written about has no say in what gets out there

not really how media works

[short laurel]

Really? Are u sure u can't changr that with money.

[waxen musk]

I won't lie, I barely know what BSH actually did. But the talk about him being "important" for the growth of K-pop and how important BTS is and how that is his group is basically what I've continued to hear over and over again even before I got into K-pop. And I have no idea how true it is or not. I haven't read these articles you talk about yet.

[dapper root]

yeah because the nyt can just put out another article saying this is how he bribed us to write this 😭

it depends on the content

[shrewd badger]

Not really, a lot of media companies coordinate when to release certain articles with the individuals involved

[short laurel]

After watching his interviews i m pretty certain he does it

[dapper root]

you can just say you hate bro

its fine i have no opinion on mr bang

he is just a figurehead

[dapper root]

it is quite true

the boom of kpop with SM in the west was pretty big

like exo girls gen but they focused more on japan and korea and asia

so bts took the west by storm and the rest is history

[short laurel]

Kpop was big in sea n eu even be4 bts.

[dapper root]

like 2015

[subtle matrix]

I feel like reading that much into BSH is the same thing people do when they criticise mhj

[short laurel]

Bts took over north america

[dapper root]

yes

the west and then the world

[short laurel]

Think what u want but seeing how company defends him but fail to do so for nj. My mind is set

[dapper root]

so when your talking about bsh and how important he is for the growth of kpop

i would say he contributed alot

[waxen musk]

What I can't tell is if he credits himself for the success of a lot of workers. He puts his name in the producer credits of a lot of HYBE songs. How involved is he actually?

[short laurel]

Not saying he didn't contribute but he got his ego too high with how he runs things

[night niche]

Bang Si-hyuk’s Jealousy and Need for Control
Bang Si-hyuk’s legacy is built on the idea that he revolutionized K-pop. NJZ’s runaway success, without his involvement, threatened that image.
If Min Hee-jin could create a global sensation without him, it weakened his authority as the ultimate K-pop mastermind.
His attempt to remove Min Hee-jin and discredit NJZ can be seen as an effort to regain control over HYBE’s narrative and ensure that all major successes under the company remain tied to his influence.
(this is part of a doc im making)

[dapper root]

i heard he’s pretty involved

[surreal raft]

what is going awn..

[waxen musk]

I just get the sense he wants to take all credit.

[red thorn]

Hitman

[waxen musk]

And him having zero credit when it came to NewJeans' success is obviously a point to bring up.

[subtle matrix]

I think discussing all of this is pretty pointless when realistically none of us has a real idea of what goes on behind the scenes

[dapper root]

exactly

its all speculation about a person

[waxen musk]

And it's hard to know if what everybody knows about BSH is because everyone including himself is the one to push that to the point where it's just repeated without questioning it.

[dapper root]

but we should atleast read an article before getting baited by headlines

[night niche]

honestly i was lowkey kind of confused on what yall were arguing about, was it abt an article

[quartz creek]

bruh smh tell him to come fight bnz istg we would drop him 😡

[subtle matrix]

A NYT article that called him the king of kpop

[waxen musk]

Speaking of poop I did do a poo after the performance.
Sorry I misread K-pop as poop.

[quartz creek]

Yea i know you mentioned poo

[red thorn]

New Yorker article

[night niche]

the glaze is crazy

[waxen musk]

Why are we having these discussions right now? I joined in without context tbh.

[night niche]

me too

[subtle matrix]

NJZ are on hiatus we need to talk about something

[waxen musk]

Nah we don't.

My mum baited me into thinking we'd go to Barcelona next week and then she's changed her mind already. She's looking at Valencia now.

Leaving it a bit late lol.

[short laurel]

We are arguing how it's probably bsh on his pr who got thr article call him king of kpop n Damien saying it's not.

[night niche]

we should talk about the doc i just made that i worked hard on 💔

[half knot]

just read the translation of the whole ruling, this judge is definitely very technical and detail oriented, just as he illustrated during the first injunction back in June

[half knot]

post it again and have a mod pin it

[dapper root]

think we ran outta pins

[half knot]

ah rip, thanks for checking damien

[night niche]

oh media control and okay is crazier than ever since the world is on a right wing side right now

[dapper root]

especially in this thread 😭😭

[waxen musk]

Oh yeah thanks for reminding me to read that. I still don't know how he can be so sure of the evidence presented with only a few hours of hearings, but oh well...

[half knot]

we can probably get rid of pins like the petition that is now no longer relevant

[waxen musk]

Ain't nobody checking the pins further than the 4th one, just delete them all at this point. The newest one is still super old.

[half knot]

injunction hearings are very surface level and just based on balance of probabilities after all

and here it's pretty obvious ador's lawyers did a better job and newjeans lawyers were not as prepared or were intentionally gimping their presentations to some extent

[waxen musk]

Or the judge just believed everything on both sides, even if a bunch of evidence could be dismissed if later found out to be bullshit.

He made his decision based on believing all evidence on both sides to be true.

[half knot]

their case seems to depend a lot on testimonies' and essentially what some judges would call emotional evidence rather and lots of news reports... not exactly a solid case

and yeah the judge did acknowledge both sides evidence and in the end decided that dismissing the injunction petition would be a fatal blow to ador as an agency so he granted it, basically the probability of immediate injury was higher for ador than for the girls in his opinion.

[short laurel]

I really not like how mhj not accepting internal director position working against girls

[waxen musk]

Tell me if I'm wrong, I haven't read it yet. Just parotting what others have said again. (I usually ask with "right?" but forgot to.)

[half knot]

what seems to have hurt their case the most is how they terminated their contract based on his opinion.

[night niche]

honestly i think it’s less njz’s lawyers weren’t prepared and moreso the way korean courts sided with corps vs individuals against them, look at all the cases against large corps and kpop companies and it’s pretty evident

[half knot]

as well as some of the stuff they presented in the injunction they had not mentioned in the contract termination certified letter

[night niche]

i study this in my gov class, the korean courts lack a lot of judicial independence

[half knot]

usually I would agree, but this judge is basing his opinion entirely on the presented evidence by both sides as well as the details of the exclusive contract.

[dapper root]

there we got a pin

[modern fog]

we should remove older pinned messages and majority of it was MHJs

[dapper root]

yeah

[waxen musk]

If ADOR loses they'd lose all income making ADOR useless. That sounds extremely damaging if you just say that and nothing else. No shit the judge would side with that. The girls aren't even fully formed as NJZ, they can't lose much if they don't have much at the moment. The fucked up thing obviously is that ADOR is under HYBE and they aren't really hurting that much if they even lost ADOR. They'd survive.

[subtle matrix]

That's what I was talking about earlier today, NJZ making a demand for MHJ being reinstated and MHJ being so connected to them breaking contract is so damaging to their case. Someone f'd up pretty bad early on here

[half knot]

MHJ stuff really isn't what the judge is basing his ruling on. he only mentioned it as that was the first point that njz lawyers brought up

[subtle matrix]

They should've focused on workplace harassment and preferential treatment from the start

[half knot]

they lack the evidence for that, and the judge acknowledged as much

[waxen musk]

I should really read this stupid ruling lol. Should pin that link rather than whatever was pinned just now.

[half knot]

that kind of digging can only happen in the main lawsuit where both sides get strong civil procedures discovery powers through the court's mandate

[night niche]

i also made these 2 docs if they’re considered pin worthy

[half knot]

translation: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kWvPAztDvFKo_ZPaFcntmbRHf0KWpVk5NQy7h3Fwcz8/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.x200ap6cbasq
original: https://pixeldrain.com/u/VYFbKq4A

[mild mist]

well here they want to change the injunction ruling so they also need to mention what the consequences of that would be

probably need to prove the loss of trust for that, otherwise the judge will just say that they can suck it up and work with ADOR

[waxen musk]

I feel like this is the only important thing to pin. Everything else is just opinion pieces.

I'll start reading that now then.

[half knot]

the judge didn't really say that either, he mentioned that until the main lawsuit has a definitive result, ador's damages outweigh njz damages so he granted the petition

alternatively, the girls could have filed for a petition first if they strongly believed in their case.

the njz case is too dependent on emotional appeal that is unquantifiable and lacks solid technical evidence for the court system, even their termination and waiting for ador to sue seems to have been a PR thing rather than a legal thing.

[short laurel]

Honestly that could've been quicker

[half knot]

at this point, as much as I love her works, I think as a fandom we should not tie njz fate to mhj anymore, and the girls need to worry about their own career survival too.

[waxen musk]

I feel like I should disregard months worth of opinion pieces, analysis and hope about the contract termination stuff. So much of everybody's understand of it being allowed seemed to have been drilled into us, and hopefully it ends up being all true. But I don't know who to trust, I just read a lot of stuff and end up believing what makes sense even though nobody seems to be an expert.

[half knot]

what also hurt the girls in the eyes of the judge is that while MHJ was in charge, a lot of these grievences were not raised and she didn't act on them.

[dapper root]

pinned that instead

[waxen musk]

The clearly care more about freedom and happiness than "career survival". They wouldn't be doing such risky things otherwise.

[short laurel]

Doesn't mean girls should go back to ador. Even if there's no solid evidence Mediaplay is obvious where it's coming from.

[dapper root]

yeah you just gotta wait till things fold out

all this talk about mediaplay and fake news makes people sound like qanonners

[half knot]

all sides of this conflict sound like conspiracy theory cultists

[dapper root]

yeah

[waxen musk]

I still think it's fucked up for people to assume this injunction win for ADOR means the girls have been lying all this time. It doesn't work like that but that's what EVERYONE believes now. It's super fucked. (Everyone except us who are waiting for more info.)

[lucid yarrow]

so when is round2 appeal starting

[half knot]

that's where the mediaplay has been effective at

[dapper root]

i think people assumed the lying because of the video that was shown

[half knot]

and also korean netizens as a whole are some of the most "authority is always right" minded kind of people I've ever seen

[dapper root]

of the hanni bowing thing

[short laurel]

Video that didn't match hanni's complaint

[half knot]

despite the fact that they have some of the most corrupt politicians, law enforcement and corporations in democratic capitalist world

literally they just ousted their own president yet when a judge says something, it's as if it is gospel and came down from god.

[waxen musk]

Yeah that’s most of the focus. And we still know that to be sus as hell and not properly investigated. But people have already made their mind up on this one small point in a sea of lots of points.

[vocal sable]

also the korean courts are just fucked up in general

[half knot]

the hanni greeting thing is the least important bit of this case in the eyes of the judge anyway, it's silly that ever became a thing.

[dapper root]

i would assume it was gonna be more important for the mistreatment side of the case

[half knot]

it should have been used as evidence of a series of mistreatments and ostracization, but they simply lack evidence of that

[dapper root]

this

[half knot]

that's what the judge also says, they weren't bullied enough for long enough. a bit fucked up, but it's because of their contract terms. the violations needed to be repeated and prolonged and unaddressed long enough to terminate the contract.

[night niche]

yep

[short laurel]

Pretty fked up

[half knot]

it's also fucked up that the korean contract law allows minors to sign such all-encompassing exclusive contracts for 7 years.
but that's a kpop industry being fucked up thing, not a njz thing.

[vocal sable]

like if we look at literal 🍇 getting one year in prison? and getting punishments like serving in the military which is mandatory anyway… for example seungri isnt in jail

[waxen musk]

How many other jobs penalise you this bad if you really don’t want to work somewhere for whatever reason.

[short laurel]

N public allowing them back into industry without backlash

[waxen musk]

I’m starting to become pessimistic again lol.

[half knot]

the problem is that the contract is treated like an equal parties contract, not an employment contract. they are both taking on "risks" so to speak equally (more or less) based on their labor laws.

[mild mist]

wait
hang on

Order:
Until the first-instance ruling in case 2024GaHab113399, which concerns the validity of the exclusive contract between the petitioner and the respondents
What is a 'first-instance ruling'? Is it the first decision after all the evidence and before any appeal?

[night niche]

exactly, and the korean courts tend to be biased towards large corps and have a lot of corruption and political influence

[half knot]

but in reality it is anything but equal and gives the agency severely unilateral rights and privilages while penalizing the idols.

[vocal sable]

i feel like companies make minors sign these contracts on purpose because they know they are VULNERABLE. like they make them drop out of school and education to dedicate their lifes to being idols, even if they dont make it into a group. for example remmeber when newjeans were told they might not be able to debut? even after they all stopped their studies, the companies know they are vulnerable in the sense that these kids are dropping everything and stop going to school to dedicate their teenage years to training and maybe not even becoming an idol. its just fucked up and people still support these companies who just take advantage of minors on purpose

[short laurel]

"equal" but company controls all creative work too

[half knot]

first ruling instance in this case means the first result from the main lawsuit that is starting in april

which could take at least a year.

[vocal sable]

also look at it this way, 5 young girls vs a large corp full of grown businessmen in a extremely misogynistic system

[half knot]

anyway even if legalese isn't your thing, I recommend reading the whole injunction ruling, a lot of details on their exclusive contracts as well as the claims and evidence from both sides in it, without speculation by us or antis.

[mild mist]

the translated version you posted isn't even in legalese

[half knot]

it's close enough, paraphrasing it wouldn't do it justice unfortunately. and it really isn't as simple

[waxen musk]

Ok let's all stop yapping and read it. I've said I'll read it like three times now.

[night niche]

exactly this!

[half knot]

no one thing hurt them in this case, just the overall balance of immediate harm was more on ador's side than on njz side

and frankly their evidence was a bit lacking.

it could have been intentional to keep some key details for the main suit, or perhaps the legal advice they received was lacking in the first place and they rushed into the unilateral termination.

[mild mist]

I'd put my money on the latter

[half knot]

in fact, it seems the judge is suggesting that if they hadn't terminated right at the 14-day mark, they had a better chance of making their case.

[glossy siren]

Njz. Do. Not. Want. To. Be. Linked. To. Ador. Anymore.
Don't want to sound unpleasant, but after 1 year, is this concept so hard to grasp?

[waxen musk]

Why didn't they wait just one more day? What was the rush. (Not saying what they did wasn't ok or not.)

Just seemed to have given ADOR another excuse even if their excuse is only an excuse.

[lucid yarrow]

i think evidence thing is kind of going be annoying to get when u have big company who likes to blackmail/threaten/bribe 3rd parties but maybe i thinking too much

[waxen musk]

Not like they actually had a good plan to make them happy at the last second of the 14 days, obviously.

[mild mist]

It'll be difficult to find people ready to stand as witnesses

[night niche]

no it’s completely valid and it’s a wide spread problem in korea

[half knot]

there, the key part.

[short laurel]

Girls really should've secret camera recording everything

[half knot]

they really should have waited a bit longer to terminate the contract

like until end of the year perhaps, ador's response last minute seems to have been a calculated move as well to mess up the legal timing.

[glossy siren]

I think they do know more than the public...

[night niche]

they shouldn’t have to wait in an abusive company any longer than they have to, regardless of the legal consequences. a persons autonomy is everything

[half knot]

well clearly not honestly.

given how thoroughly every one of their lawyers' arguments was rejected. this is the same judge that very thoroughly rejected every one of hybe's arguments back in june when mhj filed for injunction.

so he's not 'biased' or anything, he's only basing it on what was presented to him. as far as we know, and now we have access to his actual words.

[mild mist]

the NJZ lawyers need a 'smoking gun' which it looks like they don't have

[half knot]

the only thing that will save njz case is if they have some bombshell stuff saved for main lawsuit OR if they are able to secure actual evidence for their claims through discovery and civil procedure during the main case.

also they really needed to do more to establish ador and hybe as one entity because of the personnel links.

[glossy siren]

A positive result from Mhj cases with belift and soumu could help the main lawsuit, will see

[half knot]

not that it would have helped their case, but it would have weakened the immediate harm arguments in ador's favor.

almost all the past entertainment injunction cases going back to 2007 that I've been able to dig up revolved around either financial settlements being in dispute, or actual physical, mental, emotional, sexual, psychological abuse, and almost always filed by the artists against the company first.

[subtle matrix]

MHJ 1st injunction really hurts their case there since the main point of the ruling was that MHJ actions could not be seen as damaging to the company because her obligations were solely towards ADOR and not HYBE

[half knot]

that's true, but their shareholders agreement dispute was very different than this exclusive contract dispute

[short laurel]

That was be4 hybe puppets took over. But Can ador announcement defending bsh on complexcon cancellation help in establishing ador n hybe as one?

[half knot]

perhaps, but this case clearly didn't have enough time for that

one day hearing lasting a few hours, plus 30 or so pages of evidence submitted a week later.

[half knot]

so here njz lawyers can't use financial settlements disputes since ador has seemingly paid them handsomely in a timely manner, as far as we know and the judge has stated, their accountants are good.

so emotional ostracization, psychological pain, mental distress, etc. would have to be their avenue to prove breakdown of trust. damage to their brand is clearly not landing with the judge and in fact favoring ador's side since the brand is owned by ador.

[subtle matrix]

I am very curious about the supposed LV deal and why it wasn't a bigger part of this injunction

[mild mist]

allegedly outside of the date range

[half knot]

^ a mix of "why wasn't it raised earlier when MHJ was CEO" and I suspect lack of evidence once again.

[short laurel]

What about the change in creative team that gorls are used to working with replaced by ador new management?

[mild mist]

section 2A:

the BA collaboration rejection occurred in March 2022, before the exclusive contract was even signed.

[subtle matrix]

I feel like that's going nowhere

[half knot]

also they didn't raise some of this stuff in their certified letter as part of stuff they wanted corrective measures for. that hurt them too

[waxen musk]

@night niche I read your MHJ vs BSH misogyny post and it just perfectly outlines everything. Glad I read that.

[half knot]

yeah good stuff in your documents

[short laurel]

Someone shared it's precedence yesterday.

[mild mist]

depends on the wording of the contract

[half knot]

@night niche I know I'm asking once again, but can you post all your documents in one post so I can reference it to others when they come asking questions about this stuff other than reading the actual ruling?

[short laurel]

Outlandishly restrictive contracts

[subtle matrix]

Since the judge rejected MHJ's exit as a reason because their terms of contract, it would probably be the same for any other part of the creative team

[half knot]

also I'll say it here because I can't say it in main chat, ||I wasn't a fan of some of their outfits at the festival, it felt off-brand for them ||

[short laurel]

Mhj part was her rejecting internal director position. Not kicked out.

[mild mist]

There is no clause in this exclusive contract stating that the creditor must ensure that AD is responsible for production work for the debtors, nor does it **seem **that such an obligation was a fundamental motivation or purpose behind signing this exclusive contract.
emphasis on "seem", that's the uncertain part

[waxen musk]

I don't know why people are so scared to criticise any part of what NJZ does. People have opinions lol. Anyway I disagree.

[half knot]

we've turned into blinks and armys lol

[night niche]

of course

[short laurel]

||there new song is not for me||

[mild mist]

because that's how society and especially online discourse is
everything is either amazingly wonderfully brilliant or unfathomably horrible. There's nothing in between

[waxen musk]

I know people were scared to bring up stuff to do with outfits because the girls supported the designers of their outfits in the past. But that shouldn't change your opinion either lol. You can disagree with the girls too.

[night niche]

all of the documents i’ve made so far:

[subtle matrix]

That was one of the reasons for the dismissal of that point, but the judge listed other reasons. Points 5/6/7 would probably apply to any change in the creative team

[night niche]

if you guys have any ideas or want me to cover something, let me know

[waxen musk]

Thanks I'll actually read them all now that I've read one and realised how well written it is. Thanks

[half knot]

yeah she clearly put in a lot of work in writing these as objectively as possible

[waxen musk]

I hate how subjective the judges thoughts on everything are. Objectivity is not so easily achievable as I'd wish.

[short laurel]

I really don't like 7. That up to 1.5 yesr break n showing producers after girl say they left

[night niche]

thank you guys i try my best

[half knot]

as much as I don't like how judges can never be objective, I wonder if a future where they put some "objective AI" in charge of decisions won't somehow be far far worse

[waxen musk]

I mean is it wrong though. They literally could hire a replacement producer without issue. Them dragging it on for 1.5 years is bullshit though and just an excuse to harm the girls.

[mild mist]

no such thing as objective ai

[short laurel]

Girls really had no freedom of who they can work with despite "equal" contract

[subtle matrix]

Assuming your pov is objective is a very easy way to end up joining a cult

[waxen musk]

I was watching someone argue about their objective opinions the other day and everyone was just laughing at them.

[short laurel]

There's a point on that in ruling

[half knot]

Let's be "objective" though, as much as we know HYBE wanted to destroy newjeans brand and relevance for whatever egotistical reasons, the girls also never gave fraudor a chance to demonstrate how they would support newjeans future endeavors, which is partly why the judge ruled the way he did.
If anything, the noise would have prevented ador from actually dungeoning newjeans after all.

[waxen musk]

Yeah I still delay reading it lol sorry.

[half knot]

lol

[waxen musk]

The girls did basically say bye as soon as MHJ was gone didn't they. They didn't stick around to see how bad things would get.

And "how bad things would get" would just be them on hiatus anyway.

[mild mist]

they didn't stick around long enough to gather evidence

[half knot]

in the ruling the judge even makes a point of how the timing of the certified letter almost coincides with mhj resignation as internal director, almost implying some link or tampering without explicitly saying it.

[waxen musk]

I mean even we are thinking that and we're on their side, right?

[half knot]

exactly. it's unfortunate, they really didn't hide their intentions well

the certified letter based on their exclusive contract is meant to be a way to give ador a chance to rectify preceived violations or at least respond to it, but the judge viewed it as delayed termination letter with no intention of giving ador a chance to try and fix things.

[waxen musk]

Their intentions aren't evil though.

[short laurel]

Girls did ask ador to fix this 2 times

[waxen musk]

That too lol

[half knot]

either way the judge was ador biased just based on what was presented, simply because ador suffers more if njz is gone from their company, which is very much a valid argument.

and that's all that matters in an injunction, nothing else really. everything else is left for the main suit to determine.

[subtle matrix]

MHJ would've most likely been continuously undermined after she was demoted from CEO to producer but I feel like going through that and documenting a history of mistreatment was the only way they would actually be able to break off from hybe

[short laurel]

True

[half knot]

MHJ should have stuck around, released the japan performance bluray, released their first album as was already prepared, the girls should have tried to work with ador until the end of the year and gather more evidence of mistreatments or at least tried to see if things could have worked.

and then go for the jugular. giving away your hands too early because you have public opinion on your side is just emotional appeal as we're seeing the result of it now.

[waxen musk]

It's funny how you look at it (I'll make up the numbers) but ADOR losing $100 vs the girls losing $10 makes it seem like ADOR is losing more. But $100 is like 10% of HYBE and $10 is 100% of the girls. Just a weird way to calculate who suffers more.

[craggy owl]

I am of course saddened by the news about their hiatus. Their new song sounds interesting, although I haven't instantly fallen in love with it.

[half knot]

yeah that certainly is true, and I still think the judge's ruling is wrong, since the breakdown of trust is definitive. but I also view it as the judge simply wanting to keep status quo until a more thorough analysis could resolve all this (main lawsuit)

[waxen musk]

I still don't know how the girls could stick around and put up with everything even if they were successful under a new ADOR leadership, they still wouldn't be happy. But their success under this new leadership would fuck them even more and make it even harder to leave. I think them leaving when they did was the only option for their sanity.

[subtle matrix]

Sorry to go back but can you clarify this?

[mild mist]

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the BA collaboration rejection occurred in March 2022, before the exclusive contract was even signed.
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[half knot]

in hindsight, perhaps the girls should have at least sent a second response after ador's response before terminating. like wait to the end of november.

[mild mist]

I say 'allegedly' because I may have read it incorrectly

[subtle matrix]

The LV deal thing happened back in 2022?

[half knot]

it's not like ador could have FORCED them to do anything in the meantime, and all their plans were cancelled once mhj left anyway.

[frozen bronze]

i just dont know why they did that press conference hours before the 14 day period was actually over

[waxen musk]

I still don't know why it was so hard to make everyone happy.

[night niche]

would you guys want a document of 1. a breakdown of the injunction document 2. legitimacy of the korean courts, how the main lawsuit could go down

[half knot]

that is an easy answer: big egos

[frozen bronze]

should have done like 16 days so there is no confusion and time to respond to any potential responses, even if they came too late

[waxen musk]

I'm truly scared to ask this but do you think if MHJ just shut up and put up, we'd be better off?

[subtle matrix]

Of course

[frozen bronze]

"we" yeah, but the girls would not be happy

[night niche]

yesn’t

[half knot]

I don't think you need to do that, people need to read the entire document otherwise they will always take away the wrong thing. a detail of korean courts system and how it works and some of the corruption there would be interesting though, but only do it if you have the free time.

[short laurel]

Do we know why those were cancelled as soon as mhj was out

[half knot]

I think everybody would have been a lot richer, but I also think HYBE wanted MHJ out before she exercised her put options regardless.

[waxen musk]

Yeah we don't know if they wouldn't have tried to force MHJ out if MHJ never complained.

[half knot]

this would have happened anyway even if MHJ had complied, too much money at stake for HYBE given how much they are bleeding money.

[short laurel]

Put up with all that mediaplay started by hybe

[half knot]

but MHJ and HYBE dragging down their artists with them, with LSF, ILLIT and now NJZ/Newjeans all suffering was completely unnecessary.

[waxen musk]

Anyway I don't disagree with anything MHJ did, she was protecting the girls, I'm just thinking of how things could have been if she never filed in internal report that pissed them off so much.

[subtle matrix]

imo both hybe and MHJ acted in bad faith at times. So hard to know how anything would've worked out if either didn't do some of the stuff they did

[half knot]

it certainly gave them an excuse, but we've seen that the conflict dates back quite a bit now

[mild mist]

yeah we'd have had the same nonsense but a couple of months later

[half knot]

for example they had an issue with how she was paying the girls as far back as autumn of 2022.

[waxen musk]

Yeah, just seemed like it was gonna all fall apart regardless of that internal complaint.

[vocal sable]

guys i need to ask smth about mhj but i dont know if its true dont make fun of me 😭

[half knot]

this is a no judgement zone, we only read judgements not pass them 😄

[vocal sable]

why does everyone say shes a p3do like what happened there im so confused lmaoo

[night niche]

read my mhj vs bsh document

[frozen bronze]

bunch of extremism and out of context misinformation by hybe stans

[waxen musk]

There's some Twitter threads that debunk everything but these debunks are so barely shared compared to the sharing of these accusations. That and the MHJ vs BSH document is good, although if you read that alone it doesn't debunk anything or excuse any of the accusations, it just says "the men do it worse" but don't get as badly criticised for it.

[subtle matrix]

She has a bit of an obsession with youth and seems to have been inspired by a questionable movie for some of her concepts is my reading into the situation

[vocal sable]

i kinda knew it was something like that because they have so much to say but zeroo proof or context whenever i ask them

[craggy owl]

Yes, I've been wondering too. The fact is that NewJeans were still hugely successful and super popular with fans and brands. Shouldn't you have confidence in continuing your path, irrespective of what other groups might do?

[vocal sable]

yea and the whole thing of the pictures on the wall in her house

[short laurel]

. This n didn't teambunnies said they have documents proving hybe pr asked to make negative comments about nj? N ee know adir pays to hybe for pr n stuff.
Team bunnies said they sent to it girls lawyers. Why was it nit brought up i wonder

[subtle matrix]

I don't think that's relevant to this case at all though

[half knot]

this is not unique to her of course, all of kpop is that, presentation of youth in a provocative way to attract both younglings and adults.

[night niche]

ill probably make a document going more in depth about what’s going on with mhj but that’s if i have the motivation, im gonna focus on doing the one about korean courts first

[subtle matrix]

Most likely because it couldn't be verified or wouldn't be admissible in court

[half knot]

but I will say, the Korean in general obsession with Olivia Hussey needs to be studied lol

[short laurel]

According to teambunnies they had definite proof do idk

[subtle matrix]

I feel like the stuff we see in kpop is very similar to 90s western pop

[night niche]

i did a research project for one of my classes about olivia hussey and it was heartbreaking

[red thorn]

I read the injection doc.
Viva multi-label

[waxen musk]

I still don't think anything in the actual content of any of NewJeans' music or MVs actually reflects any of the accusations about MHJ in the first place. People obviously argue about Cookie but I've long since been unconvinced of that personally.

[half knot]

kpop is basically an amalgamation of 80's and 90's Jpop and to a lesser extent Jrock mixed with 90's and early 2000's europop and bubblepop, and nowadays with an insert of 2000's and 2010's hiphop, all "cutified" in a perverted korean way.

[mild mist]

we can only hope

[vocal sable]

i think its definitely about a cd, the problem is the public who sexualised the song. not the girls but people just immediately jumped to the conclusion it was sexual

[short laurel]

Meanwhile||hybe other groups with minors||.. hypocrisy

[waxen musk]

I shouldn't have brought up Cookie but my point is that Cookie is basically the only thing people link MHJ's "suspicious allegations" to for NewJeans in particular. There's nothing else. Am I forgetting some?

[subtle matrix]

sis if every "definitive proof" I've seen mentioned about this case was actually verifiable and admissible I think the entirety of hybe, mhj, and the rest of korea would be in jail. But we'll see in the main lawsuit

[short laurel]

It's not public information n is verified by lawyers. We don't know the details

[subtle matrix]

If It's legit it'll be brought up later

[short laurel]

There's 1 weird thing mhj did in her sm days with bg full of adult members. Remove shirt for poca

[waxen musk]

I'm talking about NewJeans exclusively.

[vocal sable]

||yea there is for sure hybe groups with minors who have suggestive lyrics (not that they should be sexualised at all its the companies fault) but people immediately jump onto mhj for cookie and ignore the other groups||

[mild mist]

hell even Yoon Suk Yeol isn't in jail

[short laurel]

Yea but honestly that's the only weird thing in her career that i know of.

[waxen musk]

I'm just saying if MHJ's allegations were true, it only ever reared it's head in Cookie and not in any of NewJeans' other content. (I don't believe this to be true, if not already clear.)

[half knot]

Cookie's explaination by MHJ/Ador was basically pure gaslighting though, I don't buy it at all, but I don't think it was intentionally suggestive either.
Korean companies buy songs from foreign producers all the time, whether parts of it, samples, lyrics, etc
Putting suggestive and sexual themes on song demos is practically lyrical lorem ipsum for western composers and producers, so companies have to do a better job of filtering that out and adapting it to their artists/groups.

[short laurel]

Exactly

[subtle matrix]

I wish there was legislation prohibiting minors from debuting tbh

[half knot]

kpop industry would collapse if that happens.

[subtle matrix]

Don't give me hope

[half knot]

(god willing)

[red thorn]

Kmca would be in shamble

[waxen musk]

I feel like there should be a way for kids who are clearly very talented and "ready" to work to be able to work but not be put in these horrible contracts. Maybe they shouldn't have contracts they can't break free from until they are a certain age. (Not that they should have unbreakable contracts at any age.)

[half knot]

the entire industry revolves around exploiting young clueless teenagers (both the artists and the fans) and benefiting the companies at their expense, then discarding them after 7 years when they have outlived their usefulness and are gaining some independent thoughts, without giving them any other life skills

this comes from LSM and his obsession with Jpop industry and has basically not changed in 30 years.

[subtle matrix]

And that is if you even debut

[night niche]

in doing my writing i think im gonna split this into 2 documents

[subtle matrix]

How many are just stuck in trainee limbo until they're 22

[half knot]

in jpop industry, only some male groups and very few female groups survive past 25yo

[waxen musk]

It's clear the rest of the world doesn't rely so strictly on child labour like this in music lol. It happens a lot but it's not relied upon like in Korea and Japan.

[vocal sable]

yess and i suggest to include the whole making them drop out of school at extremely young ages

[half knot]

that's part of it, your idols and trainees lack any other educational skills or life skills because every aspect of their lives are controlled and dictated by the company.

the reason why the industry wants to destroy njz is also this partially, they have independent thoughts and aspirations too early in their lives in the eyes of the industry

[waxen musk]

I hate feeling guilty when enjoying entertainment.

[vocal sable]

i honestly cant get over this, its just so weird and creepy the companies know they are so vulnerable as students and making them drop out of school at even as young as 14 to make them train to be in a group they might not even make it in?

[waxen musk]

But there's so few ways to feel completely guilt free with a lot of media. Whether it's horrible companies involved or whatever.

[glossy siren]

I think that you are not considering that mhj never wanted this escalation. How would anybody expect that a complaint email would have in 1 week the consequencs of a corp. Publishing defamatory narratives to send you away? C'mon, it's not to elevate min heejin, but I feel like these discussion really forget to take into consideration the human side of it.

[waxen musk]

What's the ethical consumption under captilism quote again?

Under capitalism, there is no ethical consumption.

[half knot]

of course, all I'm saying is that there would have been more violations and evidence gathered that way, not that this is what they should have done.

of course we're only scratching the surface of it, there are far more layers of darkness to any entertainment industry, but especially the korean one 😄

like how madein's very real sexual assault allegations were buried and the group is promoting as if nothing's happened.

[red thorn]

Can't analyze on say business aspect logic alone

[waxen musk]

I still don't know why they feel it's a proven thing that this system is the best system to extract money from everyone. It's almost like they didn't give anything else a good try.

[short laurel]

Kpop darkness is alot more visible yet nothing is done.

[night niche]

we can thank the rich and political elites for this

[waxen musk]

Reminds me of Monsters Inc. lol. They just try being horrible and scaring the children to make money without realising there's a better way: to make children laugh and make more money. They just don't know until the accidentally try a better way. Just stuck in their ways. (This analogy is HILARIOUS.)

[half knot]

kids are easy to exploit, their parents' greeds are easy to exploit, and lack of laws and regulations against this makes it easy to exploit
path of least resistance and all that.

[frozen bronze]

we all doomposting now its so over

[night niche]

this is a funny analogy buts it’s honestly so true and the producers of the movie actually had this in mind when creating it

[short laurel]

If it's working why change type of shit

[waxen musk]

Yeah basically. There's no proper confidence from us I don't think. Just hope.

There will always be hope as long as they're willing to fight.

[short laurel]

I m betting on teambunnies evidence. It's better be good

[frozen bronze]

all i need is for them to post on instagram, but they obviously cant make a living off that

[night niche]

after the 2024 election i realize doom posting does nothing, i run on positivity and productivity

[vocal sable]

it makes me so sad when i hear idols talk about their experiences as trainees years later and talk about how they were so young that they thought the treatment was normal and it happened to everyone, like these companies are just taking straight advantage of these children and they know they are too young to realise

[frozen bronze]

sometimes i feel like im so fucked but then i realise we're all fucked

[waxen musk]

All I need is confirmation they're happy. We don't have that and they said they haven't been happy. But performing makes them happy. That's why these upcoming months will be the hardest yet. We won't know how they're doing and they'll just be stressing over court hearings while doing whatever they want in their free time, hopefully not getting bored.

[night niche]

that’s how i’m feeling, as long as the girls are happy, im happy

[vocal sable]

hopefully lots of livestreams

[waxen musk]

Hopefully Hanni actually plays Minecraft at one point.

[half knot]

just stream video games without turning on monetization of their youtube channel lol

[short laurel]

I meet another random kpop fan. They too supporting njz. Hate really is only limited to redditers

[mild mist]

can we just nuke reddit

[short laurel]

Add twter too

[half knot]

it seems the company is going to do that themselves soon, going public was the beginning of the end

[mild mist]

it'd be doing the world a favour

[waxen musk]

Twitter, TikTok, Instagram Reels, YouTube, reddit. What else needs blowing up? I think I just listed websites that hold 90% of all traffic on the internet lol.

[half knot]

just atmospherically nuke all data centers in the US and we're done 😄

[short laurel]

Hey leave tiktok. YouTube alone.

Algo control in these 2 is easier

[half knot]

remember when instagram didn't have an algorithm and just showed you chronological posts of whoever you followed and had no ads?

[mild mist]

no, because i've never had an instagram account

[waxen musk]

Yes. But sometimes the algorithm on YouTube is too stuck and doesn't give me new things when I want them. TikTok is really good at giving me what I want and random new things that actually interest me all the time.

[half knot]

then facebook bought them and it was over.

[subtle matrix]

I feel like that's when the world started going downhill tbh

[short laurel]

Simpler times

[frozen bronze]

youtube does show the same few videos at the top for weeks sometimes

[half knot]

I turned off history on my youtube

now I only watch what I search for or what my subscriptions upload.

[short laurel]

Tiktok algo is honestly best

[waxen musk]

Yeah for me it is. I know some people prefer Instagram Reels for being more "fun" but I haven't spent too much time on those.

[short laurel]

I just block everything kpop on tiktok

[waxen musk]

I got that woman Taly got fired from her job on TikTok today.

[short laurel]

That lady apologized n then went back to hating njz

[half knot]

as somebody who doesn't do tiktok I find myself completely lost whenever tiktok is brought up lol

[waxen musk]

Before I move off from that topic. Just want to say I thought the Taly stuff blowing up hurt the girls more than the Taly stuff in a vacuum. Anyway I'll move on.

[frozen granite]

What’s happening ? Everything good ?

[waxen musk]

Wouldn't say good. But nothing new is happening. Just lots of discussion on all topics.

[short laurel]

Girls supposed to do background check on every fans they meet?

[frozen granite]

Oh ok so just the usual stuff then ?

[waxen musk]

yep

[short laurel]

Only ppl hating girls cuz of taky are ppl whi were already hating girls so it hurts no one aside from taly

[half knot]

I will say that njz independent actions on sns has finally shattered the facade that idols are special. given free rein they just act like typical teenagers. I finally understand why companies control their sns presence so heavyhandedly and don't even give them 'personal' sns until 3-5 years into their debuts.

[frozen granite]

[waxen musk]

They didn't even make a mistake by doing that but now everyone thinks of it as a mistake. That and Koreans seem to be even more "disgusted" the girls spoke to a fan in this way. I don't get it.

[half knot]

but again that goes into exploiting teenagers for profit 😄

[waxen musk]

There's so much "control" in fandoms too. It's not just the companies.

[short laurel]

Only stupid ppl. Though girls need to lesrn to keep boundaries between them n fans. This goes to their parents too

Cuz fans can be crazy af especially kpop

[frozen granite]

Koreans are mad Njz interacted with that one person?

[waxen musk]

It's just a tricky relationship. It's almost exactly what I've witnessed over the years of being too into Twitch and noticing people behaving weird eventually.

[short laurel]

Usual incels

[frozen granite]

Oh ok idk I’m sort of happy Njz performed & saw the love from their fans

[waxen musk]

I think we can yap forever lol. I don't think any of the discussion gets us anywhere, it's just interesting stuff to think about and pass time.
I hope we don't get too used to yapping in here (talking to myself too).
gn everyone

[frozen granite]

Sad they are on a hiatus, something tells me it will be a short one, but every time I have a good feeling, something bad happens so I’ll start saying I have a bad feeling

[short laurel]

Good morning

[waxen musk]

I just realise maybe we shouldn't expect anything or base our expectations on what people say unless they are literal qualified experts.

Just ride it out and see what happens. I only say this because it feels like a waste of time trying to understand what could happen only to see things happen differently in reality

But most of my yapping is a waste of time anyway. Anyway gn again

[stiff prairie]

ayooo what happened to the server name dawg. are we really going to go ador ways after thousands of fans scream njz bursting their lungs out?

[frozen granite]

Omg I just realized that

[night niche]

woah who changed the server name

you’ve gotta be kidding me

[frozen granite]

Mod say they didn’t change it

[dapper root]

yeah im checking the logs i dont see any change

[split bramble]

whichever mod changed it deleted the deed from the log

[vocal sable]

omg why would anyone change it

[dapper root]

we can easily change it back guys calm down

lmao

[subtle matrix]

When they're trying to get the court of public opinion on their side I would hope they do lol everyone immediately knew it would make them look bad (including taly which tells you everything you need to know about her actions). Meeting her was a mistake

[split bramble]

do it then

[short laurel]

When they meet taly m girls were also meeting other fans then. Taky didn't get special treatment

[subtle matrix]

I don't know who they met back then, and it's not really the point

[short laurel]

So much over so little thing that doesn't matters.

[subtle matrix]

We are discussing it and so are other people so it clearly does matter, at least a little bit

[short laurel]

It's not making girls look bad. Most don't look bad. Only ppl hating are ppl who were already hating so it doesn't matter

It's just ppl saw drama over twt n keep bringing it here

[night niche]

still waiting 😭

[frozen granite]

She made a TikTok ! Please spread it to Spanish-speaking tokkis only ! https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT2nJ9LQa/

[dapper root]

calm the fuck down

[night niche]

how did this even happen in the first place

[subtle matrix]

Lets be real if people here didn't think it made them look bad they wouldn't immediately try to shut down any discussion about it like they did yesterday

[dapper root]

dont knoiw

[night niche]

not mad moreso just confused 😭

[frozen granite]

What kind of breed dog is that? It’s so cuteeeeee

[short laurel]

If it looks like it to u then u are free to think so it's just not related to the issue going on here on this channel

[subtle matrix]

Jack russell, he was still a bby back then 😭 he's already 6

[frozen granite]

A baby?? Omg he looks huge in that pic! 😭 cute though

[subtle matrix]

He was probably around 8 months old back then

[frozen granite]

Waiting for Njz x murakami interaction crumbs

[split bramble]

I'm not worried about a 1-2 year hiatus until legal matters are handled

cream always rises to the top, they've conquered korea despite sabotage attempts, they'll return to tackle western markets without that burden

[frozen granite]

I doubt it will take that long but who knows, let stay hopeful!

[waxen musk]

It just sunk in for me that when I said gn, after sleeping and waking up, I should probably not expect anything new tomorrow. Or the day after. Fuck.

Btw I know mods put the server title back to NJZ but doesn't the hangul just convert to "NJ". Where's the Z in hangul?

[stiff prairie]

Don't doom bro. Watch ditto take lessons. We'll be back soon

[waxen musk]

Yeah just not used to that thought yet. Usually I wake up and think "I wonder what I've missed or what will happen today". Now I need to forget about thinking like that.

[waxen musk]

엔제이지 - You're missing the 지 at the end.

[stiff prairie]

I just hope they remain active on insta cause if there's 0 interactions that will hit me a lot

[steep sun]

https://n.news.naver.com/article/023/0003895233

[waxen musk]

I have doubts about their existing NJZ IG being active. Maybe they can be active on ANOTHER new IG lol.

[stiff prairie]

Idk Korean so idc either. But the main thing is there so I'm not complaining

[waxen musk]

Just simple update, not complaining either.

[stiff prairie]

Or change name back to jeanzforfree so it doesn't look like they're promoting a new group

[waxen musk]

Birthdays coming up.

[short laurel]

Why was it even newjeans. I suspect a mole in admin since it was deleted even from logs

[mental lynx]

someone took that account name

[tired cairn]

can you even delete logs
why is that a thing

[stiff prairie]

Good point. They must update is on that. Getting happy bday coming up not because it's a special day for them but we might get a live

[stiff prairie]

Bro what? this fandom with our impersonating accounts and name stealing I can't smh

[mental lynx]

yeah idk why

[tired cairn]

i mean, this happens to every slightly famous person

[mental lynx]

at least they tagged the girls

[tired cairn]

impersonating accounts are nothing new unfortunately. Often it can be excited fans as well, who don't mean harm

[mental lynx]

Yep

[waxen musk]

lol NJZ never got their accounts verified but a million impersonators did

[mental lynx]

Thats actually crazy and i never understood that

[waxen musk]

anyway doesnt matter for now. just funny to look back

I said gn twice like an hour ago. I should go...

[mental lynx]

Goodnight ash

[stiff prairie]

Good night guys. Cope how u want to. Let's try to doom less from tmr. And ash go to sleep u been here like 48 hrs straight

[tired cairn]

gn all

[split bramble]

you can, only for the very higher ups

[cinder narwhal]

google says you can't even delete it lol