NJZ Updates and Discussion

[mental lynx]

we can hope for fan recordings

[pulsar wasp]

I’m coping for a dance practice somewhere down the line. They tend to do that for their live stages

[dull geyser]

aw man 😭😭

[surreal raft]

there probably be performances all over twt and complex should post it on yt I hope

[buoyant hamlet]

i wouldnt be suprised if hybe employees walk around complexcon asking people not to record so it doesnt go viral

[ashen charm]

Ador has no influence in Hong Kong

[copper current]

No one cares and if they say they are from Fraudor they should be careful

[ashen charm]

Hk fans don't play they throw hands if ador steps in

[blazing sky]

reading the comments of the time interview is actually terrible- like i understand njz wasnt abused to the physical extents such as loona or vcha, but why does it need to be a competition of "who had it worse"? if youre not being treated fairly in a company–physically or mentally–why are you expected to stay? because you make thousands of dollars? the girls were making a lot of money in hybe and decided to leave, they are risking everything making these choices because to them it isnt about the money its about making music and being with fans which is what hybe/ador failed to do with their "hiatus"

like its kinda crazy that i see comments saying "oh _ group went through worse, such crybabies they need to suck it up" why is it a competition? we all understand this industry is corrupt to its artists, but when a group that makes money and isnt physically abused speaks out theyre considered crybabies. they literally state multiple times that this should be a precident for all artists who are treated unfairly to be able to speak out

[surreal raft]

i totally agree it doesnt matter who went through worse all these companys are shit who loves to put their groups through it

and when they try to speak up about it its wrong?? its honsetly werid how people has responded to njz

[half knot]

a paraphrasing of what the judge's ruling said about their breakdown of trust.

So quite literally it is seemingly a contest of who was abused more by their company 😄

[surreal raft]

wow.. not even the courts take this real

they def been through this long enough.

[half knot]

has anybody translated the full ruling pages yet?

because when I last checked, the phrase I am paraphrasing above was something like "Even if ADOR's fulfillment of its contractual obligations was somewhat lacking, there is no evidence that the breaches were repeated or prolonged to the extent that the trust relationship has been irreparably damaged."

[blazing sky]

njz were literally ab to be "put in the dungeon" and because they were quietly being pushed to the side its not enough to warrent them wanting to leave and become their own artists ig

one must be physically abused by their company for years to be able to have any say in the horrors of the industry ig :/

[hot girder]

the way Hong Kong bunnies received the girls, i'm sure they couldn't care less

ador has absolutely no authority there

[surreal raft]

hybe is just stupid. i dont get why people take the company side when they have mistreated every single idol under that company

[cerulean lake]

bro i removed twt from my home screen but it still sends me notifs. wtf is this headline 🥴🤨

[surreal raft]

oh..

[cerulean lake]

not gonna open it and it’s koreaboo so idek

[surreal raft]

omg its about taly tokki... they dont even know the true story

im tired of these people spreading lies abou the story between taly and the girls oh brother

[cerulean lake]

what relationship? omg didn’t they just take one pic w her secretly like back then

[surreal raft]

YES!!!

[cerulean lake]

anyways koreaboo is a terrible tabloid so that’s expected

[blazing sky]

fans when they see their favorite streamer/youtuber in public and ask for a photo
fans when they see njz in public taking a photo with a fan

[hot girder]

they shared messages tho. that meeting was not a coincidence

[surreal raft]

they claim that its wrong because she has dragged other groups under hybe but these girls have no idea what their fan are like

[blazing sky]

did not know that tbf

[high totem]

i think someone here said that she used the photos to blackmail people?

[cerulean lake]

i mean she was like the voice of tokkis before she got cancelled and we know the girls look at the internet so that’s probably why they reached out to to her

[blazing sky]

they reached out to her first?

[surreal raft]

taly shouldve left when she started getting canceled and she shouldve never showed those pics to a serct gc knowing they said NOT to share it.

she pretty big and she was with that one youtuber in korea who also met njz

[blazing sky]

tbf, if i took a pic with my all time fav idols id also freak out and show my friends or something, even if i was told not to, i mean its human nature to want to tell people you care about that something major happened to you

[hot girder]

she used the messages she got from the girls so that people close to her wouldn't say certain stuff (that's what I got from the tweet, at least)

[blazing sky]

but again, i have no idea who she sent them to or the extent of it

[cerulean lake]

she shared them? damn didn’t know bc she threatened people before that she was gonna sue them when her pic got leaked

[hot girder]

hanni told her not to share the picture and yet her dumbass did exactly the opposite. if the pic got leaked it's because she shared it against the girls wishes in the first place

[high totem]

lets move on from this topic
i think it was discussed in detail yesterday

[surreal raft]

she showed them to a private gc of freinds she claims that they posted it to blackmail her bc of her getting cancled

she shouldve never done it. it was a private meeting that no one was supposed to know about. now njz is getting dragged more before their stage bc of her.

[cerulean lake]

oop sorry was totally off discord yday

[blazing sky]

sorry not in this thread all the time i didnt even know she was cancelled

[cerulean lake]

smh. we really can’t trust everyone around us

[blazing sky]

are the court docs public?

[cerulean lake]

wait is taly deactivated on twt

[surreal raft]

this is why its hard for me to trust anyone in this kpop indstry even ceos

[frozen granite]

Let’s drop it

[cerulean lake]

everything just seems like it’s going wrong for njz and tokkis and it’s so frustrating
i hope they find some happiness w their performance

[surreal raft]

im done about her i needed to let my words out about her in here since twt is NOT safe anymore

[cerulean lake]

yeah i get all my info from here now 💔 and even i find it hard to open this channel now bc i dont wanna see even worser updates

[surreal raft]

i feel like they will.. with the fans at the airport cheering them on they looked really happy

[blazing sky]

i was like damn i have never seen so many people at an airport for an idol

[cerulean lake]

yk it’s bad when i’m coping on that one really accurate tarot acc saying it’ll get better 😭😭🙏🙏

[hot girder]

https://vxtwitter.com/haekitty5/status/1903495246270624037?t=VuJQv5f94u84FLOqzHPp-g&s=19

[surreal raft]

https://x.com/newjeans_loop/status/1903490829085556901

NJZ Loops 🧸🦦🐶🐱🐹 (@newjeans_loop) on X

250323

HKG

#NJZ

X · Mar 22, 2025, 4:55 PM

[frozen granite]

Omfgggg lmao yesssss

[night niche]

HELP 💀

[blazing sky]

i really am curious to what songs are gonna be sung tomorrow tbh, like imagine if it was more unreleased written songs? like ik the pit stop one is a definite, but im thinkin of like when dani and (omg was it hanni i dont remember) sang that duet song during bunnies camp that was unreleased

(i say tomorrow bc im in est lolol force of habit)

[hot girder]

No idea. Maybe a few newjeans songs since it's too late to change the set list

[frozen granite]

I think they’ll for sure sing the unreleased song

[cerulean lake]

reading reborn rich rn and seeing how much corruption is w these conglomerates 🤧 makes me wanna blow up hybe even more 👎 🍅

[surreal raft]

will they have to put the unreleased song under newjeans since the whole thing or??

[night niche]

no they won’t have to

[surreal raft]

https://x.com/1yynaa/status/1903566566240702958

lyna ྀིྀ🏎️🏁 (@1yynaa) on X

NJZ arriving on stage / pit stop with their karts

X · Mar 22, 2025, 9:56 PM

i giggled

[cerulean lake]

tbh we’ve been like this SINCE APRIL of last year. the good part of that was that we had some good moments that helped us cope through it (ex. tokyo dome). but now it just seems like we lost the end of the journey (well still need the main court case verdict) and there’s no uphill moment from here

[night niche]

also reading the chat above, next time if someone brings up taly immediately say to change the subject or redirect to dms, this isn’t the chat for that!

[surreal raft]

thats my falut i needed to let my feelings out abt her but im over it now

[cerulean lake]

i mean taly was an important part of the tokki community so it’s understandable if she’s brought up here especially if we left twt or smth 🤷🏻‍♀️ but ig no talking abt her now

[night niche]

hey don’t be negative about the situation, this is literally only the beginning of the journey ahead, the upcoming performance is in less than 12 hours, that’s definitely an uphill moment, and note that all the online hate does not translate to real life at all as it is mostly an ecochamber and hybe pays for likes on posts. the bunnies greeting hk makes this very evident, let’s be strong for the girls ❤️

[vital orbit]

NJZ are felons — escaping from ADOR to HK & promoting dangerous driving to their young audience

[frozen granite]

Idk if I was coping but the same day Njz dropped their new name & activities the ‘born again’ song by Lisa released & I always felt like it was a sign we were doing good 💀

[surreal raft]

its just those haters who are talking abt her now i think.. bnz main focus rn is to support our girls

[vital orbit]

kiiikiii + njz debut + ariana grande deluxe album... such a good 2 day period this month

btw why wont they release on spotify/yt

[hot girder]

new song will be ETA all over again. except we don't have a date for an official release

[hot girder]

it's gonna get them into more trouble

[vital orbit]

and going to HK wont? 😭

[cerulean lake]

yeah i’ll probably not interact w the whole kpop community after their hk performance until there are more positive developments but i’ll still support them from the side

[twin cypress]

So funny people were defending taly on that expose day and disagreed with me that she should just step back and disappear from the tokki community for a while 😂

[vital orbit]

i need fancams of ador staff entering the venue

[night niche]

i tend to not interact with the kpop community in general because as a black girl it tends to get very disrespectful and discouraging for me, so i think doing that for yourself is a good idea

[twin cypress]

Taly and tokkitim should’ve been treated the same way but yall were giving taly differential treatment lol

[frozen granite]

let’s change the subject please

[night niche]

we mentioned above that we’re avoiding talking about taly anymore in this chat

[cerulean lake]

last comment on this bc i don’t wanna bring it up anymore but it’s probably bc taly was a “bigger” figure in the tokki community and that’s why she was defended more

[cinder narwhal]

all tarot prediction accounts I see are still optimistic or maybe my fyp is also coping

[cerulean lake]

true the kpop community is brutal and i’ve decided to just “quit” kpop as for now but hopefully some positive development can help me interact w it later on

[vital orbit]

they took a screenshot of danis hand and are palm reading it 🤌🏻🤌🏻

[cerulean lake]

that one specific daisy account 😭

[cinder narwhal]

lmaooooo "I see carrots"

[surreal raft]

youll see me jumping them..

[frozen granite]

Wow if I were an anti & had just read that I’d think yall really are delusional

[vital orbit]

"i see a very strange man entering the venue... is that... BANG SI HYUK?!"

[frozen granite]

Can’t blame it … I’m coping hard rn just anything

[vital orbit]

what if MHJ's shaman is on njztwt

[surreal raft]

shooting up the place if i saw that man

[hot girder]

yea but a bunch of people bought tickets just for them so it'd be disrespectful to call out the concert two days before it happens

[vital orbit]

i dont believe jn tarot / palm reading anyways

[frozen granite]

We need Njz karma soon

[surreal raft]

REALLL

[vital orbit]

noone cares about respect - legally, in their eyes they can just refund the concert and not perform or name change to NewJeans

[vital orbit]

but we aint talking ab that rn
NJZ! NJZ 👊🏻👊🏻👊🏻

[surreal raft]

guys you think someone will jump ador staff

[hot girder]

I do care about respect and I'm sure the people who paid for the tickets, hotel stays and flights do care about it

[surreal raft]

i should be there to do it

[night niche]

seeing how passionate the hk fans were it’s a possibility 😭

[vital orbit]

yea but that holds no value legally

[cerulean lake]

i don’t hope for that. i don’t blame the staff who’s probably just doing their jobs but rather the whole management and higher up officials that caused all of this

[hot girder]

I'm not talking about the legality of it, yes holding the concert might have consequences, but it can't be called off either because a lot of bunnies have paid for it now

[hot girder]

https://tenor.com/view/emo-fighting-punching-weird-gif-16788456

[night niche]

what i do hope happens instead of a jumping though is that if ador gets caught trying to intervine in hk they get in some sort of legal trouble…

[vital orbit]

Dispatch Reveals ADOR Staff Member's Disfigured Wig Hung at ComplexCon Venue

[night niche]

RAHHH LESS THAN 12 HOURS

[vital orbit]

schedule

[vital orbit]

neverfuckingmind

[hot girder]

I do not wish harm upon the staff, but if people boo them I won't be mad lol

not sure if they're gonna be spotted tho

[dull geyser]

hey can someone dm me abt the situation because i wasn't on tiktok for a few weeks and suddenly shes apparently cancelled 😭 im just curious as to what happened

[copper current]

Unless someone dies, then they will say oh this is serious and even if that happens, they will move on since it is not intresting so the girls did the right things, no one can understand their situations than them.

[surreal raft]

if you still need closure I can try my best to explain it !

[dull geyser]

that would be amazing thank you

[half knot]

very simply, stuff from a decade ago was dug up on her social media posts from archive.org/waybackmachine, and it was unacceptable speech. my speculation is somebody who likely wanted to discredit her, newjeans/njz fans in general for making her one of the more publicly facing voices, and just to fuck with the fandom, went and dug that stuff up and spread it. it is what it is.

[cerulean lake]

i hope hybe gets exposed for corruption 🫠

[frozen granite]

Because I know some of you would like to have a vocal tokki who can spread accurate information & debunk mediaplay. This is a very good tokki who just talks about NJZ & talks about both sides https://www.tiktok.com/@kentokkifc?_t=ZT-8uuTytQlYSM&_r=1

From my understanding she is the Latin American version of some of yalls main tokkis on twitter

[night niche]

does she have a twt?

[frozen granite]

@night niche I think so, i think it’s on her linktree, she’s more vocal on TikTok though & her main audience is Latin American kpop fans so all of her content is in Spanish lol doesn’t hurt to share the info to hybe stans who are Spanish speakers

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/njjjzzzz/status/1903477726369198550

[narrow seal]

250322 NJZREPORTS (@​njjjzzzz) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/njjjzzzz/status/1903477726369198550
So they protect an adult man and even close the comment under the articles with him,but they do nothing when these 5 young girls are insulted?

[copper current]

Korean news are thugs and evil who defend thugs

[surreal raft]

guys so did we see the time interview for njz?? why is people hating on time for it.. does anyone know

[boreal laurel]

World War NJZ

[frozen granite]

They are hating on time magazine ?!

[surreal raft]

yeah.. they claim their spreading misinfo that njz said..

mostly the armys saying it..

[pine jewel]

that’s absolutely disgusting

[frozen granite]

Ofc it had to be them

[surreal raft]

i dont get why its wrong for time spreading this info about njz.. they are helping the girls

people dont like it tho..

i find it funny when they kept adding kiss of life

[high totem]

maybe most of the comments are supporting newjeans

[craggy skiff]

No they not

[cinder narwhal]

https://x.com/pannchoa/status/1903593361434689767

pannchoa (@pannchoa) on X

Knets discuss the quick public opinion change regarding NewJeans/NJZ after the injunction news
https://t.co/pXRiCXBPNg

X · Mar 22, 2025, 11:43 PM

I've been trying to get this thought into words since Friday but can't. finally someone did for me

[subtle matrix]

Pannchoa is known for selectively picking comments that drive controversy even if those comments aren't representative of the public opinion

Not just regarding this topic, it's a common occurrence

[glossy siren]

https://x.com/newjeans0515x/status/1902945083777044939?t=ITalsii-5vB3DuarYWYtCw&s=19

mmm ちい (@newjeans0515x) on X

😢

X · Mar 21, 2025, 4:47 AM

Ador's flight must have landed

[stoic heron]

I guess some bunnies tried to take it home

[frozen granite]

BSH ate half of the poster

[frozen granite]

It’s starting to seem like it ngl

[tawdry vessel]

hateful beings and bunch of incels so yeah

[old ingot]

https://tenor.com/view/memes-gif-9980668056796018353

Why is it the first one to pop up too when u search Fact check

[shy schooner]

Fans trying to take them home

[glossy siren]

https://x.com/CakeDegg/status/1903657790188700142?t=UD6iy3VCLBmevjt9iyK4cA&s=19

Cake🍀 (@CakeDegg) on X

🚨‼️Bunnies at ComplexCon 🇭🇰be careful! Some suspicious people are asking fans about ADOR and NJZ conflicts, claiming to be from Korea
If you encounter them, just ignore them

X · Mar 23, 2025, 3:59 AM

[jolly junco]

Insane

[north geyser]

there is no correlation between both? ig "only real njz fans voted kamala". make it make sense lmao

[frozen granite]

I think they are going based on the racist comments about hanni

One example is sniper, they were extremely racist towards hanni their followers were calling her slurs

[tiny peak]

all I know is NJZ fandom is definitely smarter than other fandoms

[half knot]

bold statement

[north geyser]

voting for trump doesn't make you racist 😭 and if you think otherwise that's your opinion, but I can assure you US politics is unrelated to whether you support hybe or njz.

[glossy siren]

...👀

[tawdry vessel]

trump is convicted felon, rapist, and hates women 🙄

[cerulean lake]

ok yall we ain’t gonna bring politics is here

[short laurel]

Dumb comments. Dumb comments everywhere. By every fandom including Tokkies.

[half knot]

see? njz fandom intelligence on full display within seconds of cappuccino's statement

[cerulean lake]

smh this is so disappointing. we all know that inetz have been so cruel to njz and we were hoping that at least knetz support would keep them afloat. i’m just scared for all of this.

ik pannchoa picks certain comments but still i feel like this narrative is probably seen more rampantly now

[short laurel]

Why can't ppl just silently support girls instead of saying dumbest sh*t online

[frozen granite]

I never shared an opinion, it was an observation someone made in comparison to what they were calling hanni.

[glossy siren]

Fandoms are all the same. The bigger, the louder, the messier. Team bunnies is the first real "news" in fandom culture. Fandoms are just groups of random people who share an interest. Smart, dumb, healthy, extremists...

[north geyser]

you said "starting to seem like it", but whatever end of discussion.

[short laurel]

Tokkies n hybe stans keep comparing each other to maga. Imo both act like one.

[north geyser]

point is, lets not bring US politics and support NJZ togetehr regardless of who you voted for, bc it dont matter for this

[jolly junco]

[half knot]

I vote for pet rocks, to throw at other tokkis

[glossy siren]

We get who you voted, no need to play vague NEXT

[frozen granite]

Me to BSH

[half knot]

https://tenor.com/view/rock-everythingeverywhereallatonce-gif-25516405

[short laurel]

I said it be4. Knetz are fickle. They forget all the details n go by what court say even if court is wrong

[frozen granite]

That’s not big enough

[cerulean lake]

wait so can someone confirm is knetz are now against njz?? screw knetz and inetz they’re all the same anyways. they just get mad a different things

[tawdry vessel]

just be a rock hahahahahaha

[rose turret]

Everything everywhere all at once mentioned

[tawdry vessel]

goated movie

[short laurel]

They'll go silent afterr few days so it's Okay.

[frozen granite]

Every time a ruling comes out we lose followers sigh

[short laurel]

We need to keep posting positive things about girls online.

[dull geyser]

seems like an even split tbh but njz has many more supporters than haters, don't let social media deceive you

[glossy siren]

Sooner or later, the girls will have beautiful carreers, no doubt about it

[frozen granite]

I forgot who mentioned it, but there was a comment that said the judge can force Njz to disband is that even true ?

[glossy siren]

critical thinking

[dull geyser]

no, so what's happened is the injunction that ador filed has been approved which prevents them from debuting until the final outcome of the lawsuit that starts next month

[frozen granite]

Girl I’m not talking about the injunction

[dull geyser]

then wdym, are you talking about newjeans as the hybe group or as the independent group

[cerulean lake]

u said ruling tho. seems like confusion

[glossy siren]

Do you really think that 5 individuals can be banned from creating a collective project?

[frozen granite]

Let me see if I can find it

[short laurel]

Court can't control what girls wants to do. Again worse would be panelty. Not disbandment or going back to ador without girls own wishes

[frozen granite]

Give me a few minutes I’m going to scroll all the way up I saw this comment yesterday or two days ago

[glossy siren]

Judge: disband.
The girls: ok...redebut on monday!

[dull geyser]

well they can't be permanently, but if the court rules their contract with ador as still valid then it's bonding until it expires which means they can't

[short laurel]

It's democracy. Girls have human rights

That's why worse is going to be penalty

[half knot]

if the court rules their contract with ador is valid, then there are at least two more stages of appeal, plus the girls can always just terminate the contract and wait to be sued for penalty fees.

[tiny peak]

NJZ soundcloud era

[north geyser]

penalty? as in fines? or what

[half knot]

the whole reason this has dragged on is because NJZ tried to terminate the contract through the "violation of contract" clause to avoid paying any penalty fees.

[dull geyser]

i was talking about if all else fails. then that would be the outcome

[dull geyser]

yes they'd have to pay a large fine (?)

[tiny peak]

unless HYBE magically transforms into a humane company with artistic ambitions, they will never go back

[frozen granite]

Ok I can’t find it, but from what I remember, someone said that if the judge rules in favor of ador/HYBE in the major lawsuit & if they do not want to go back to ador, the judge can ban them from releasing any music or being a group. Not sure how accurate this is or if the person was doomposting

[short laurel]

Penalty is the worse case outcome. Nothing more.

[dull geyser]

which for some reason, people online are pretending doesn't exist 🤦‍♀️

[glossy siren]

I think many people underestimate the amount of zeros in the penalty sum...

[dull geyser]

definitely, it's not exactly plausible

[north geyser]

I was about to say bnz could do a fundraiser or sum, but yeah idk lmao

[tiny peak]

ablume is redebuting aren't they? anyone know the details on how, they have huge penalties

[short laurel]

We don't know the amount n it's not going to be what media said.

[glossy siren]

But as njz have said " we have done nothing wrong" they are following laws, just in a smart way

[dull geyser]

no, they can't just refuse like that

[jolly junco]

fraudor are craaaaaazyyyyyyyy

[tiny peak]

so disgusting

[glossy siren]

I'm genuinely disgusted

[dull geyser]

so what i'm confused about is because they are still performing at complexcon, will they have to pay a fine because they're performing despite the injunction?

[short laurel]

Blanket ban is illegal.

[glossy siren]

Jinx

[north geyser]

i think they dont if they perform as "newjeans" thats why the ADOR team is there rn or sum

[tiny peak]

I'm assuming it's because the contract with ComplexCon was before the ruling?

[frozen granite]

Idk South Korea laws not sure if that’s even a thing there

[dull geyser]

it's still in breach of the injunction

[short laurel]

Girls have to maintain their stance of contract termination. They can't go back to newjeans either

[north geyser]

the issues might come from the merchandise and playing the new song tho

[short laurel]

It is a thing.

[dull geyser]

i'm pretty sure they won't be though

[frozen granite]

So that’s a possibility then?

[jolly junco]

i need bunnies who got approached by these men record what they were talking about, then ask for this person ID

[tiny peak]

this is the stuff that's being drowned out right now because HYBE PR bots and media play is severe at the moment

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/scenicMINJI/status/1903665564066930745

[narrow seal]

250323 nala. (@​scenicMINJI) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/scenicMINJI/status/1903665564066930745
he asked my friend "Do you think the punishment that NJ received was heavier bcs they continued the ComplexCon even though the results of court were out?"

please just ignore it, not to accept any interviews from unknown sources, and he is not alone, there are 3 men scattered.

[short laurel]

Blanket ban is illegal. But labels n mushows work together to not allow artists to appear on shows with excuses. But they can release music

[frozen granite]

Oh ok so like those 5 organizations right ?

[hot girder]

creepy

[short laurel]

N if found out that myshows n labels were blocking artists there's fine

[short laurel]

5 organisation are just union for label. They not have power officially.

Those 5 have always been anti artists n public hates the..too

[cinder narwhal]

how do/did you guys feel? like when your favorite sports team lost or worse than that?

[dull geyser]

blacklisting 😔😔😔

[frozen granite]

hmmm oh ok I guess I’m just confused a bit but I think that has to do due a lot of hypotheticals & different scenarios by different people so idk

[honest sky]

Lets not say this 😭

[short laurel]

It's illegal if found out there's fine.

[frozen granite]

We don’t know what other evidence Njz can provide

[dull geyser]

annoyed, but it's a temporary thing so

[dull geyser]

pretty hard to just find out

[quartz creek]

i hate creeps

[short laurel]

That's the issue

[dull geyser]

we'll find out next month 🤷‍♀️

[short laurel]

But guys look. Even if korea not allow girls to promote n blacklist them. Girls are still gonna chart on billboard.
No ranking in korea but top 100 billboard. That'd be s huge flex.

[frozen granite]

Tbh idc about billboard much, I worry more about how long it would even take for them to actually release new music

[half knot]

in the injunction ruling, there was no penalties that I could see, all it said that they can't do entertainment and advertising stuff without ador's permission until the main trial's ruling is out

[short laurel]

It'll only make korean chart look bad

[frozen granite]

This whole thing could take years, if the judge doesn’t approve the appeal then what?

[dull geyser]

there has to be some sort of penalty though, otherwise there's no point in the injunction

[half knot]

not necessarily, penalties are only provided in injunction rulings if there is an imminent threat of one of the parties involved breaking the injunction results willingly and intentionally.

[short laurel]

Another lawsuit.

[frozen granite]

We are tired …

[half knot]

and here, ador seemingly is allowing the complexcon to go ahead with their blessing after the injunction ruling

[short laurel]

It is what it is

[frozen granite]

So you’re saying that during this time Njz can be on hiatus for years ?

[dull geyser]

unfortunately yes

[half knot]

if njz members continue to act independently against the injunction ruling going forward, then ador has to go to court again and ask them to impose a penalty or hold njz in contempt of court ruling

[short laurel]

They can make new music. As extra said above

[half knot]

which really can turn ugly for the girls, but given the main suit is starting soon anyway, and they've filed for an objection as well, it won't be long before we hear more about where this is heading

[frozen granite]

Oh they need ador’s permission then to release music

[short laurel]

They can release music without ador permission. Just ador can use that against girls in court

Again. No one can force someone to work with a company they not want to. Not even court.

At worse there will be penalty

[frozen granite]

No yeah I get that, I was just curious about releasing new music. That’s my only concern

Them being shelved/forgotten/on hiatus for a long time

[short laurel]

They can release content on their own. But ador can use that against them. But it'll depend on how main suit goes.

[hot girder]

I seriously doubt they'll be granted full independency from ador with the objection. Judge seems pretty keen on supporting ADOR

[short laurel]

Main suit yet to start so lets stay positive.

[frozen granite]

Maybe, but Njz won’t go back with ador

[half knot]

the judge is not ''supporting ador'', they are ruling based on the evidence presented and provided to them

this isn't meant to be against njz, it's just how that court's ruling is, this is the same judge from the mhj injunctions, and clearly has a tendency to go through the points presented one by one and refute or support them based on his judgement

[hot girder]

well, whatever I worded it wrong lol I don't think they'll change their verdict

[rain spade]

is suuit take years my as well waitt till 2029

[short laurel]

It could take less time too.

[frozen granite]

Someone said that the judge ruled in favor of ador bc this should pertain more the main lawsuit. Granting NJZ mean that it would indicate that the contract is not valid anymore

[half knot]

also, the court CAN prevent somebody from working though through stiffer and stiffer penalties if they are violating the court's orders, and eventually it would turn into contempt of court, which can go from a civil contempt of court and turn into a criminal contempt of court. this is very rare but it can happen.

[rain spade]

i mean if main suuit favor ador, they could just wait it out

[half knot]

the injunction ruling is meant to prevent the most harm, and here the court judged that the njz members acting independently would result in most harm on ador

[short laurel]

So Worse case penalty. Like i said.

[half knot]

yes but penalties can be debilitating and coercive to the point of complete breakdown

[short laurel]

True.

[tiny peak]

what happens if they move to another country?

[half knot]

in fact, that's their purpose when it comes to court ruling violations, to compell and coerce compliance.

[half knot]

in case of hanni and danielle, probably not much? but the other three are korean with korean citizenship and none other as far as we know, and korean law has a tendency to apply internationally to all korean citizens, so that's why koreans can't go oversea and gamble or do drugs, because they will face prosecution if they ever go back home (or if they are in a country that has extradition orders with korea) but that's more criminal offenses, not civil ones.

also all of this is very extreme fringe outcomes for what is just a contract dispute, y'all are going way too far with extrapolating potential solutions

[frozen granite]

We’re just scared I think

[short laurel]

Court going that far should cause huge issue though with public. Girls already openly said they not going back to ador. Forcing them is saying as if girls not have any freedom n rights

[half knot]

the injunction result is essentially forcing them to either halt all independent activities or go back to ador while the main suit sorts itself out
as crazy as it seems to us

[rain spade]

some korean do gamble oversees they justt can't win a lot to make them sus

[half knot]

it's an unexpected ruling from a precedence perspective, but perhaps their case and evidence was weaker than we thought

[short laurel]

Yea either halt or go back n it can be disputed. N it is going to be disputed

[half knot]

I mean of course, lots of people break the rules and laws and regulations all the time, just don't get caught 😉

also the hybe labels separation of companies is really helping ador's case because njz seemingly doesn't get to use hybe or other labels' wrongdoings towards them against ador

[short laurel]

Why ador made statement defending bsh then?

[frozen granite]

But they can use HYBE’s mistreatment towards them no?

[half knot]

and really, their evidence was less than I thought it would be, they didn't really bring anything new, so either they are holding out some key stuff for the main suit and didn't want to give away their hands too early for ador to build a defense against, or this is it and they are hoping for other stuff to be found through civil procedures and discovery during the main lawsuit.

[short laurel]

They can also say why ador didn't do anything when hybe n other labels mistreat them

[half knot]

they did say that

[grizzled summit]

Any updates yall

[half knot]

the judge just said "well, you didn't give ador enough time to act on it" as well as "the violations weren't prolonged or repeated enough" for the breakdown of trust

[frozen granite]

Just speculating

[short laurel]

So 14 days warning isn't enough.

[half knot]

not according to the judge

[copper current]

how can NJZ release new music and world tour if April 3 is just the beginning of the case? It takes one year

[half knot]

if the girls had given them until new years for example while still fulfilling contractual obligations, perhaps there would have been a better case made. if the girls had engaged with the company a little more to see a solution to all their inquiries and complaints, perhaps the judge would have viewed the unilateral termination with a different perspective. I don't know, I wasn't in his head unfortunately

[grizzled summit]

Honestly the girls shouldn't gatekeep the evidence idu why they couldn't give all of it, like the Japanese downplay, internal documents saying hybe wanted to get rid of NewJeans, replacing NJ with illit, and more

[grizzled summit]

No but according to their contract it's just a 14 day grace period

[frozen granite]

I don’t get this either

[radiant scaffold]

They did submit all of that iirc

[half knot]

well that's the thing, they don't actually HAVE all that, they only have the media reporting on it. during the main lawsuit, they can request/demand those documents as part of the discovery process and use it in evidence.

[short laurel]

So 14 days grace period in contract just for show

[north geyser]

didnt they say they needed more to time to submit more evidence

[half knot]

well ador DID respond, a day late but they did, the next step would have been to respond back to those "answers" and THEN terminate the contract, it's possible the judge would have viewed this more favorably.

[copper current]

and then Hybe used lies and pr to stabbed NJZ with fabricated lies presenting to the public

[grizzled summit]

No actually the girls have a right to give ADOR a 14 day grace period if they feel That ADOR has broken trust or something and if the don't fix anything they can terminate the contracts unilaterally

[short laurel]

Imagine 50 50 do everything by the law n gave company 14 days n judge be like. Nit enough time given.

[half knot]

Even most of us found the termination a bit hasty here. And we're not the judge or have access to their actual contracts.

[short laurel]

Exactly but judge said not enough time given

[grizzled summit]

The judges must be blind then

[frozen granite]

We also don’t know what else happened behind close doors for them to make such a hasty decision

[grizzled summit]

I think the girls did everything according to their contract rules. There has been no breach of contact by the girls but vice versa.

[half knot]

the issue is their first certified letter was very much signalling their intent to terminate their contract rather than intent to actually look for answers or solutions or actions from ador.

the judge viewed it that way at least.

[grizzled summit]

That's what the livestream they made was for

[half knot]

that's not something you can use in court very effectively

[grizzled summit]

Then the girls must be keeping their evidence for the main suit

[half knot]

I hope so

either that or they are hoping to find some key evidence through what they can demand of ador and third parties during the main suit's discovery through the court civil procedures.

[frozen granite]

Can they request a subpoena to summon people for the main lawsuit.?

[radiant scaffold]

Yes. I'm talking about the things you stated. The ruling on evidence currently submitted regarding those 3 things were it was a corrective measure regarding sales, and the manipulation thing was a personal opinion (regarding Japan sales pr stuff), the internal documents also suggested ways they could improve newjeans popularity and help them so cannot be taken maliciously (regarding internal document) and that the replacement stuff was just for grouping popular groups together stuff and not actually discarding them as a group (regarding discard "new")

[grizzled summit]

Can anyone message NJZ and ask if they got the case and help them with some more points?? I think they don't know

[tiny peak]

I thought their YouTube stream was their initial notice to ADOR, and that's why they terminated weeks later

[short laurel]

Girls given them time for correction. Ador refused. Month go by girls this time officially dent certified letter with another 14 days grave period.
Judge: not enough time given.

[grizzled summit]

This is correct. Those girls gave them 2 months time

[half knot]

they have some of the best lawyers in that country, if there is a way, they'll find it, they don't need our help lol 🙂 (yes I know you were being sarcastic)

[half knot]

it's not a criminal case, but civil court does have a similar process

[grizzled summit]

And if ADOR wants the girls to comeback they should get the original ADOR staff back

[grizzled summit]

I didn't say sarcastically but OK lol

[dull geyser]

so guys, i'm not a law student and i haven't done a really deep dive yet, so please correct me if i'm wrong, but is this what's happened so far (in summary)? since the girls left ador, ador filed a lawsuit against them to confirm the validity of their contract, then an injunction to prevent them from performing + more as an entity separate from ador until said lawsuit's final ruling. injunction was approved yet njz has decided to perform today despite the injunction, also released a statement on insta saying that they believe they have not had suitable time to present their evidence. lawsuit starts early next month

[grizzled summit]

Yuh your correct

But they might not be performing under njz

[half knot]

the reason why complexcon is going forward despite the court ruling is because the ruling said they CAN do things with ador's blessing, and here ador is ... blessing it 😛

[dull geyser]

i wonder why

[short laurel]

But the name.

[rain spade]

by sending sttaff over to support tthem

[upbeat stream]

Ador said it has to be as Newjeans though

[north geyser]

ador is trynna look like they support the girls so in court they have evidence of "supporting" them

[dull geyser]

haven't they stated they are performing as njz. they're also listed as njz on all complexcon promo

[upbeat stream]

It looks so far that they'll perform as NJZ but we can't be sure

[radiant scaffold]

I think complex can use the name njz cause that's probably what the og contract they signed states. They'll be fine as long as the girls don't use that name themselves. They could spin it that way.

[short laurel]

Going as newjeans is like girls admitting they still with ador.

[cosmic belfry]

We should just all wait and see

[rain spade]

We'll see in a couple of hours

[cerulean lake]

when i watched ditto in 2022, i didnt expect we would be facing this in 2025

[hot girder]

ador just had to take the L I guess

[upbeat stream]

Yeah that'll make them assuredly lose the main lawsuit

[half knot]

Ador is okay with this because technically now they need to get a cut of everything going back to december that njz has done independently, which if it's a standard hybe contract, means 30% of all advertising deals and 30% of all overseas activities...

[grizzled summit]

im not sure it depends on complexcon's stand

[short laurel]

Honestly. I hope ador n hybe burn down

[half knot]

free loot so to speak. and it's a show of good faith to allow complexcon to proceed while scoring some PR points

[dull geyser]

same girl

[cerulean lake]

yeah forcing a cancellation when 100s of people bought tickets is not good pr

[north geyser]

i mnea couldn't they just go "yorobun newjeans imnida, for legals reasons njz is short for newjeans" and just perform? its just one concert, and i dont they want to risk getting fined

[cerulean lake]

can’t they just say their names like they were doing before they came up with njz??

[half knot]

if they were smart, that's exactly what they'll say "hi guys, we are newjeans! but only for legal reasons, we're being compelled to say that!"

[short laurel]

N weaken their mainsuit case?

[dull geyser]

that'd still be as a separate entity from ador, wouldn't it?

[half knot]

malicious compliance is the best.

[short laurel]

Honestly. Just saying name is best option

[north geyser]

they'd be doing something illegal if they perform njz, unless im mistaken. or at least just fined

[cerulean lake]

i mean it’s their legal names. making it seem like it’s for legal reasons is just insane work

[hot girder]

lol yes

[grizzled summit]

but if they turn back they'll get fined more

[short laurel]

Ador need to file for it 1dt

[radiant scaffold]

Hmm that might actually be the best thing to say rn actually. Not disobeying the ruling but not losing their stand as well.

[cerulean lake]

yeah their names can’t be used against them and they also wouldn’t be accepting they’re under ador

[upbeat stream]

No they should just say their names

[half knot]

that's not fun, you need to make ador's life miserable

[short laurel]

Mhdhh

[frozen granite]

But they’d get in trouble

[half knot]

with who? the name police?

[cerulean lake]

more like we’re trying to make it less miserable for them especially after ador probably had an ego boost after this

[frozen granite]

If they say Njz they’d get in trouble I mean

[rain spade]

ii would if i was petty evnough to hurt ador pride like a fuck u ador

[red thorn]

"hello guys, you know us. Who are we?!"

[north geyser]

this

[half knot]

based

[cerulean lake]

“hello guys. no need for introductions. start the music”

[half knot]

there's a lot you can do without explicitly violating a court's order, even criminals do it all the time, but this is just a silly civil contract dispute lol

[cerulean lake]

let the audience decide who we are 🎤

[short laurel]

Audience better scream njz

[dull geyser]

we as fans can call them njz as much as we want sooo

[short laurel]

N audience better shut down ppl calling newjeans

[dull geyser]

i would be screaming at the top of my lungs if i were there

[frozen granite]

Ok I’m off to sleep I have a live stream to catch <333 yall be safe

[dull geyser]

it's only 4.22 pm for me loll

[half knot]

aww man, you're two minutes past being cool

[dull geyser]

😔

[stiff prairie]

D day guysssss

[hoary frost]

[half knot]

can't wait for V Day (when they win their lawsuit)

[cerulean lake]

wish this d day was happier and more exciting but we’ll take it for now

[upbeat stream]

https://tenor.com/view/newjeans-hanni-hanni-kpop-hanni-dance-hanni-cute-hanni-smile-gif-1423255389860957477

[half knot]

I'll just throw this last bit in before I go to sleep. There are cases of artists even suing for contract termination and still settling with their company after some back and forth and negotiations. Don't be TOO shocked if NJZ and Ador settle out of court and work together again if things coming out in court are too rough for either side. As the judge even said, the breach of trust hasn't become too irreparable. Some of you might be too old to remember it, but this happened with Kara and DSP back in 2010-2012...

[short laurel]

After all the media play atleast as audience. I have no trust in ador n would be disappointed if that ever happened. But i m just nobody to them.

[half knot]

It wouldn't be entirely without some compromise from either side, so perhaps it can be favorable to the girls in the end. after all, according to this injunction evidence and ruling, ador has been paying the girls all this time as well.

[north geyser]

if they go back to ador, i feel like the girls would be much more vocal and outspoken of any mistreatment they get, so ador would have to treat them better than before

[dull geyser]

i still doubt it will happen because hybe and mhj do not mix well. but we'll see

[half knot]

that's the silver lining, at this point, ador can't mess them up too bad or dungeon them, it would look terrible, and give them enough ammo for yet another lawsuit...

[short laurel]

It would still appear as if ador hybe got away scott free.

[half knot]

it wouldn't HAVE to be with MHJ, it would also depend on MHJ's lawsuits against HYBE and other individuals as well as HYBE's lawsuits against her. Also, perhaps as part of the negotiations, njz girls can ask for some of their old staff to collaborate with.

[half knot]

rich chaebol corporations get away with it without a scratch regardless, might as well the girls get something out of it too.

[rain spade]

i see ador asking them tto sign nda if they go back

[hollow sorrel]

the full injunction ruling is out guys

[short laurel]

Creative freedom is must too.

[dull geyser]

i feel like this is still unlikely and if it does happen, their music still won't be the same

[short laurel]

Share

[dull geyser]

where?

[half knot]

I don't know, I don't see any settlements happening before end of this year, but then 4 more years of being rich and famous and making millions doesn't sound THAT bad if it's not going to be a clear victory in court for the girls.

[hollow sorrel]

https://lbox.kr/v2/case/서울중앙지방법원/2025카합20037

[cerulean lake]

probably has to deal with integrity/pride as well. if it was all about money/fame, this conflict wouldn’t have gone this far

[hollow sorrel]

~t https://x.com/minotaurkard/status/1903683071158989021?s=46&t=rG1o-Bkd-GgDMGG_CtSg2Q

according to kbnz they already filed an objection on the day of the results

[narrow seal]

250323 Mino (@​MinotaurKard) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/MinotaurKard/status/1903683071158989021
K BNZ have officially told me that NJZ's legal team has filed for an Objection on 3-21.

Reminder that
Objection -> Goes to the same court, same judge, a bigger trial than an Injunction

Appeal -> Goes to a higher court, different judge, a bigger trial than an Objection.

[dull geyser]

i thought they'd already said that? or did they not

[short laurel]

Someone translate it soon

[half knot]

what we call integrity and pride, the other side calls delusions, so there's probably some compromise to be made there as well. the longer this goes on for, the more likely a compromise will happen, and we're coming up on one year since this whole thing started.

[short laurel]

Previously we heard that will be donit by next week but they already done it.

[dull geyser]

ohh ok

[hollow sorrel]

~t https://x.com/minotaurkard/status/1903674897953685952?s=46&t=rG1o-Bkd-GgDMGG_CtSg2Q

here’s a summary by Mino

Mino (@MinotaurKard) on X

The official judge ruling statements are out.
The good and the bad

The Bad -
Judge looked at every issue conservatively. For example it is stated that the CEO of HYBE at the time did in fact tell the parents that it is going to take 1 year and 6 months for NJZ to get new

X · Mar 23, 2025, 5:07 AM

[cerulean lake]

yeah i guess. i dont see any resolutions/resolving soon but who knows

[cerulean lake]

dang the same judge is looking at the case again? he’s probably just gonna rule in favor of ador again smh

[dull geyser]

i feel like something surprising is going to happen that we don't expect idk

[half knot]

the point of objection is to submit new evidence or frame old evidence and arguments in a different way, so while it's likely the judge will rule the same way but not necessarily going to be the case.

[cerulean lake]

i think we would need like some bombshell type of evidence for the judge to think differently and that’s the sad part

[hollow sorrel]

I just hope Sejong can clearly point out and explain the change in management and how it psychologically and overall affects NJZ

[half knot]

the evidence was not bad, it just wasn't strong enough or framed appropriately it seems. I don't know why their lawyers tried to rely so much on a mix of testimonies and emotional appeal for the breach of trust.

like....... maybe that's all there is? since there's no financial dispute and that's usually the silver bullet bombshell type evidence that helps these cases...

[cerulean lake]

yeah i think their lawyers need to frame their evidence/statements more clearly and show the damages that ador has done in a more evident way

i mean didn’t hybe/ador harm them financially too if their album and plans were cancelled in 2024?? even if it falls on both parties, it also affected njz right?

[half knot]

nearly all the other idol injunction cases I can dig up either was relying on CLEAR cases of abuse, whether physical or psychological/emotional, or there was a fairly clear financial issue, as well as unenforceable, illegal contract clauses.

[cerulean lake]

in your opinion, if there was clear evidence of hybe asking those media companies to write bad things about them, would that be valid enough for termination? 🧐

[short laurel]

N ador saying they can't do anything about hybe

[half knot]

assuming the judge won't say "but hybe is a separate company than ador" and assuming they can actually dig up these damaging evidence, sure.

[short laurel]

Team bunnies did said they have evidence

[half knot]

but the problem here is that while you can stipulate that HYBE was doing all this, there's no solid evidence PROVING it.

[tiny peak]

they mentioned potential witnesses are fearing retaliation

[cerulean lake]

yeah whistleblowers are not coming out

[half knot]

civil procedures during the main suit can compell those witnesses and testimonies

but not during injunction I guess

[short laurel]

Assuming hybe not pay off them to hide it

[cerulean lake]

yeah this is my question too. they said they have evidence but can they not pass this evidence to njz’s legal team?

[tiny peak]

like we all know HYBE has been harassing them relentlessly through media play and shady PR, I just hope they can bring solid proof

[short laurel]

They did said they've given it to them iirc

[honest sky]

Im sorry but what are the chances Sejong got bought out too

[half knot]

I still stand by my original suggestion ... hire private military mercenaries to take out certain hybe elements...

this has all played out like a k-drama, let's ramp up the k-drama-ness of it

[dull geyser]

i feel like their legal team is holding back, maybe they are waiting for the main lawsuit for whatever reason

[stiff prairie]

keep taking out ador bod so they have no choice to hire mhj or her ppl back

[half knot]

one reason would be to not give away their key points too early for ador/hybe to develop a defense against it? only speculation but it does happen

kitschy suggested that they may be sacrificing this injunction in favor of the main suit, but I still think it's too risky and they lose too much time and money over it.

[stiff prairie]

if they did it's still not okay since the scope of the injunction was as big as the lawsuit itself

[half knot]

then again lawyers LOVE to waste time because they get paid for it.

[honest sky]

This injunction is pretty important too, just imagine the main lawsuit taking months and years and the injunction will still in place will it not ruin their career?

[hoary frost]

If losing to injuction will make them win the main lawsuit then so be it. 🙏

[rain spade]

you do know that the otther side will ttry to keep some evidence out of the couurt and you will also ttry to keep some of their evidence out ot prove your case stronger

[hoary frost]

I just wish I have the resources to take down the ones who spread misinfo here in s.e.a. I think that will help a bit...

[half knot]

ador acted like a caring mom fighting for custody of their babies in the injunction court

I don't know how nasty they will get, so we don't know what evidence they withheld and what evidence NJZ withheld

[cerulean lake]

really? and that evidence isn’t enough? omg

or maybe they’re saving it for the main case

[short laurel]

Yea. We'll know in coming months

[hot girder]

https://vxtwitter.com/TokkiLoops/status/1903687625489465632?t=rjGyKw0liPdsaebvuo0Oiw&s=19

Dani has such a supportive family 💗

[winged folio]

Heh the funny thing is you wouldn’t know if the other families are here too

[hot girder]

https://x.com/haerinskumu/status/1903667017007177828?t=XHxjX0cwZZEum1Jmz53IlA&s=19

ෆ Kumu ෆ 🏎️ 🏁 (@haerinskumu) on X

The board continues to be filled with messages and love💗

X · Mar 23, 2025, 4:35 AM

[fathom canopy]

Ador spy? 🤨

[stiff prairie]

found the ador staff

[wind monolith]

took a break, back for njz performance about to see history made

[rain spade]

YEP susge

[half knot]

a very good chance they are all there

[hot girder]

https://vxtwitter.com/TokkiLoops/status/1903684802819309889?t=t5XrbNWsEO76AV-sINERGg&s=19

^ hanni's mom and grandma

[cerulean lake]

hope their families are okay in these tough times too

[atomic echo]

aw, hannis grandma is going to see the concert

[cinder narwhal]

I need a ai summary of only extra's messages in this channel

[bronze talon]

Would be cool if they just ignore that ador pressured them to perform as NewJeans, just do their intended stage as NJZ and then at the end of the show they say that if ador really wants to support them they should let them go and let them perform as NJZ 😭

[craggy skiff]

The problem is I hate the idea that fraudor can record the performance and upload it as their content.
Such a pain is a**

[bronze talon]

Ye

[shrewd badger]

How many hours till they perform ?

[hoary frost]

3 hours and 18 minutes from now

[short laurel]

summary is, we don't know anything, it's no use speculating now so instead of worry about it and eroding our minds, trust and keep supporting njz and wait for result from lawsuit.

[jade jolt]

~t
https://x.com/1yynaa/status/1903588522407149660

[narrow seal]

250322 lyna ྀིྀ🏎️🏁 (@​1yynaa) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/1yynaa/status/1903588522407149660
https://t.co/Zx7qpcKbV9

[silver badger]

Since NewJeans lost the court case 😢 and still remains under ADOR labels and hybe entt, do you guys think HYBE will continue to provide comebacks for NewJeans?

[silver warren]

All they can’t do is not promote independently as njz in Korea

But they can appeal and most likely will.

[runic granite]

Ador wants to give them a new producer and then they want them to go on tour but thats up to the girls whether they want to work, girls said they will not come back to ador so they likely wont work until the main lawsuit is settled

[shrewd badger]

Being a tokki on social media is honestly a warzone rn 😭

[silver warren]

Fr 😭

[weak relic]

just delete twitter that's it

threads better

[shrewd badger]

😭 I will ,but I feel like NJZ karma will come soon

[short laurel]

Worse.
Best bkuesky

[short laurel]

Any translation yet?

[hollow sorrel]

nooo TT waiting for NJZBUBBLEGUM's translation, but idk if they are working on it
it can be accessible if you have a korean phone number though

[copper current]

No, they try to destroy NJZ. If NJZ go back, they will be tortured there. When NJZ were in Hybe, they were mistreated like stepchidlren, why do you think they will be treated better if go back this time? The first time didn't work out, how can second time works better? Never, Hybe will hurt them when NJZ go back. Don't be naive.

[copper current]

that is a lie, everything is lie, don't believe in them, just words and texts, no real actions

[runic granite]

thats just delulu, at the end of the day Ador is a business which wants to make money and they cant make money unless nj returns. Ador literally had to show the judge that they have a schedule planned for the girls if they ever return back to ador so they can work

Otherwise NJ wouldve won that injunction if Ador truly didnt want them to come back

[copper current]

I thought the same as you at the beginning, but now I don't. I was hoping they let NJZ comeback last year and let them do the tour but no. They destroyed Gfriend before, NUEST as well, and Fromis_9. All of those groups did well. They don't care because Bang PD ego is the most important.

*x https://x.com/cato_o_o/status/1903458388136096159

Cato_o_o (@cato_o_o) on X

Although Injunction is a temporarily measure to minimize damage to the parties until the main suit is decisioned

This reasoning was like Judge letting an abused family member who is screaming for help to not get outside help because the abusive family hasn’t abused them enough.+

X · Mar 22, 2025, 2:46 PM

[harsh dove]

:warning: Tweet with id 1903458388136096159 does not contain any media!

[short laurel]

the schedule planning came after girls left. ador will just be doing bare minimum and not give much creative freedom girls had with og staff. hybe did same with fromis. that's why no one trust ador's words

[runic granite]

NJZ fame is close to BlackPink and BTS, if Ador can get them to come back then they will make tens of millions of dollars. Girls already made 4 million dollars each in just 2 years

[honest sky]

Did u see the planning LMAO I heard it was shown in the notes app 😭😭😭😭

[mental lynx]

i could try chatgpt

im currently reading it

[short laurel]

the full album and tour they had planned last year were cancelled thx to hybe and new ador n inaction by ador to all the things that happened to girls, girls already lost trust in ador. ador's new planning was bad too from what they shown according to koreans. and if hybe ador cared about money that much, we wouldn't be in this situation right now, seriously all hybe had to do was let og ador be as it was with mhj and her team.

[flint torrent]

if ador didn't cancel their comeback they could be making millions

[flint torrent]

now im questioning why they would want to cancel a world tour and full album if they really want money😭

[short laurel]

and NJZ fame is not close to BP or BTS. they are big though but still much smaller than those 2 but they've been active for too short time to have the fandom as dedicated. many of us onyl become dedicated fans after hybe started all the attacks.

[runic granite]

Ador didnt cancel anything, MHJ got fired and now the girls dont want to work for them even tho MHJ was offered a producer role which she rejected

Girls just want to work for MHJ and not new Ador CEO

[flint torrent]

definitely not close but they have a huge global impact even ppl who don't like kpop know njz

[short laurel]

they did cancelled the plans.

[copper current]

Right, I was casual fan until I saw all the attacks and had to jump in

[hollow sorrel]

yes but the fame they have achieved in just 2 years is monumental and never seen before in the kpop industry

[short laurel]

ofc.

[runic granite]

they are big though dont underestimate their success

[short laurel]

we had full album, tour and bunnies camp korea planned in 2024 after tokyo dome. but as soon as mhj was kicked, the plans were cancelled. it's well known.

[short laurel]

no one is underestimating them. i m just saying they are not close to bp and bts big. those 2 are giants in kpop.

[flint torrent]

no full version of get up💔

i miss njz

[cinder narwhal]

*x -c https://x.com/juantokki/status/1903729475583685044

[harsh dove]

@juantokki <t:1742719451:d>

250323 Atty. Lee Hyun-gon Facebook post

가처분 결정문을 살펴봤는데..

법원의 판단에도 아쉬움이 있다. 하지만 NJZ의 변호인측에서도 변론 전략을 한 번 재검토했으면 좋겠다.

이 사건은 계약해지의 귀책사유를 묻는 소송이 되어서는 안 된다. 사건 이 한 번 흙탕물 속에 빠지게 되면 책임소재는 알 수 없게 된다. 그리고 김앤장은 그런 식의 변론을 아주 잘 한다.

중요한 것은 어도어와 NJZ 사이의 신뢰관계가 돌이킬 수 없게 파탄되 었다는 점이고, 이 사실만 입증하면 된다. 왜냐면, 판례가 신뢰관계의 파괴를 계약해지 사유로 인정하고 있기 때문이다.

책임소재를 따지다 보면 사건이 늪으로 빠지고, 흙탕물 속에서는 책임 소재를 명료하게 드러나게 할 수 없다. 그런데 그럴 필요가 없는 사건 이다.

주제넘은 충고는 아니고 그냥 조언임

중요한 것은 그 동안 NJZ의 정체성을 잃지 않는 일이다.

——-

I reviewed the court’s injunction decision…

There are definitely some disappointing aspects in the court’s judgment. However, I believe NJZ’s legal team should also reconsider their litigation strategy.

This case should not turn into a lawsuit over which party is at fault for the contract termination. Once the case falls into that kind of mudslinging, it becomes nearly impossible to determine who is truly responsible. And Kim & Chang (ADOR’s law firm) is very skilled at handling arguments in that manner.

What truly matters is proving that the trust between ADOR and NJZ has been irreparably destroyed. That alone is sufficient. This is because legal precedent recognizes the collapse of trust as valid grounds for contract termination.

If the case becomes bogged down in assigning blame, it will sink into a swamp, making it difficult to clearly establish accountability. But this case doesn’t need to go down that path.

I don’t mean to offer unsolicited advice—just sharing my thoughts.

What’s most important is that NJZ doesn’t lose their identity throughout this process.

[short laurel]

yea they need to focus on breach of trust. that alone is enough.

[stiff prairie]

The closer we get to the concert the more I worry cause once this is done there won't be any distraction or anything to look forward to

[copper current]

just enjoy it and then we will think next

[upbeat stream]

Me and Namiko have been saying the exact same thing that Lee Hyun-gon said. Breach of trust is the main issue, how can the judge possibly say there is still trust between the two parties when one of them is unwilling to continue working to the detriment of their career and even their lives? Like what is this judge smoking?

[tardy smelt]

yeah, i've been thinking the post concert depression is gonna hit hard asf and i ain't even there. so i'm savouring every moment leading up to it.

[copper current]

because he is bribed, he can say anything when he is biased toward Hybe

[copper current]

If we have music video, it will be better pray for music video 🙏

[stiff prairie]

Same. I pretty much drank all my post concert depression away everytime I attended one. This time I feel the excitement without being there but can't get rid of the sadness when it ends

Also strange I didn't feel allat during Tokyo dome

[upbeat stream]

Breach of contract was always going to be very hard to prove. The court ruling is almost entirely about that, there's like 2 paragraphs about breakdown of trust when it should have been the main focus. Idk if Sejong made a mistake or if they argued the case well and the judge just ignored it but it's really weird

[craggy skiff]

yes. it is strange when all leaked from that court only focus on the hanni and illit while this is the weakest point to prove
I hope it is hybe strategy, not Sejong mistake

[night niche]

it is definitely hybe just trying to create fandom wars for distract people from the main points of the case

[craggy skiff]

And I wonder if the process of reaching the result will have debate between both sides?
Like in the last one, both sides only had a short time to give a brief.
Then they added and the court just gave the result based on their own opinion without any questions and answers?

[upbeat stream]

Yeah that's just how injunctions work, they will have time for questioning, discovery etc in the main lawsuit

I wonder if they can appeal after the objection. Typically, you have to appeal within a week from the injunction ruling and the objection procedure will take 2-3 weeks, or so I've heard. So it depends on whether that one-week window is from March 21st or from the objection ruling

[craggy skiff]

could anyone explain why it take a year for main court? how many phase they need to reach the final decision?

[honest sky]

Alot

[rain spade]

Also judge hear like hundred and hundreds of cases each day

[upbeat stream]

That's why it's so important to overturn this ruling either via an objection or appeal. But it's looking very difficult if the high court is also going to be this biased towards ador

[hollow sorrel]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kWvPAztDvFKo_ZPaFcntmbRHf0KWpVk5NQy7h3Fwcz8/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.x200ap6cbasq

[short laurel]

I have a lot to say. Idk where to start. But I'll say this. Girls didn't raise issue be4 n only did after. Like what? Girls were hoping mhj would stay but hybe keep on pressing it that's why girls raise issue after.

Also girls who are "equal partners" doesn't seem to have equal Right to creative freedom.

About mhj issue it's still ongoing so she couldn't have accepted lower position than be4 but unfortunately they can't use this instead it working against girls even though case are related but is still saperate from legal stand point.

[jolly junco]

do you guys think they will introduce themselves as NJZ or newjeans later?

[craggy skiff]

Newjeans mean give up

[hoary frost]

They'll introduce themselves as Cake, Juice & Bread

[jolly junco]

yeah i hope they wont introduce themselves as newjeans, even if that fraudulent company pressuring them to do so

[subtle matrix]

Not necessarily. I wish people could see things in a more nuanced way instead of everything being black and white

[upbeat stream]

Minji, Hanni, Danielle, Haerin and Hyein

[jolly junco]

this is a better choice

[subtle matrix]

There are pros and cons of presenting themselves as NJZ vs New Jeans. It will depend on their strategy going forward

[upbeat stream]

That's true though. NJZ didn't go to court to ask for termination, they did it themselves. The main lawsuit is to validate the contract, acknowledging themselves as newjeans at least weakens their case I would say

[hoary frost]

They can call themselves whatever they want, they're in China, not South Korea.

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/PoppyKPoppie/status/1903761217799463360

[narrow seal]

250323 PoppyKPoppie (@​PoppyKPoppie) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/PoppyKPoppie/status/1903761217799463360
NJZ’s name isn’t being displayed 😭

[jolly junco]

i'm curious, have you tried to start a discussion in reddit with your knowledge about NJZ?

[storm warren]

isnt the pic showing 1st day line up

[short laurel]

it's best to introduce themselves as MHDHH.

[jolly junco]

agree

[storm warren]

metro performed on friday

[short laurel]

neither here nor there.

[upbeat stream]

Yeah Zico on Saturday and he isn't on the screen either

[short laurel]

i m obviously biased but i really not like reading that ruling.

[subtle matrix]

If the strategy is "we are confident we have the law on our side and we will win the court case or the objection" then dropping NJZ for now would strengthen their case, not weaken it. It would show that they are confident they are on the right side of the law. But you can make a case for both sides

[subtle matrix]

I haven't discussed this on reddit at all, why do you ask?

[short laurel]

why would u even suggest going to reddit. the source people there use is mostly jinjin and sniper.

[jolly junco]

why not? i thought reddit kpop are quite big

[jolly junco]

i want to see how he survived in there

[buoyant hamlet]

its literally all paid hybe bots/TAG PR talking amongst themselves

[upbeat stream]

I did not say that they should use njz, rather they should go by their real names. Saying Newjeans though, absolutely does weaken their case

[short laurel]

as long as it's not pro hybe, they'll get downvoted or banned. details doesn't matter in that place.

[jolly junco]

but this guy is not pro NJZ either, so he might survived

[subtle matrix]

Reddit is a terrible place for discussion because different subreddits align themselves differently and downvote every comment that goes against the sub's general opinion

[short laurel]

but this guy is reasonable person. reddit is pure pro-hybe. reason doesn't work there.

[upbeat stream]

Neutral opinions also get downvoted on reddit, no matter how reasonable. Many have tried

[subtle matrix]

Most servers I'm in don't allow discussion about this case, so I came here

[jolly junco]

thats why its the best choice for him to be there, maybe he can brainwash some of the mods

[short laurel]

exactly

[jolly junco]

wow even neutral opinion arent allowed? damn

[short laurel]

i m telling u. to survive there it has to be pro hybe, anything else = ban or downvoted.

[shrewd badger]

It's really bad , people in Reddit act like Njz are some evil masterminds or smth

[short laurel]

people there also go extremely vile against girls daily. but they get deleted. still not stoppign them from saying vile things.

i often get subreddits notification with stupid titles on this case.

[rain spade]

there's a few server that does

[red thorn]

They are malicious intellectuals

[upbeat stream]

sometimes objective corrections may not get downvoted. Like someone said Hyein is about to turn 18 and should take responsibility too, I corrected them that she is 16 and got upvoted. But that's about it

[subtle matrix]

The biggest reason for me coming here is the fact that because the bigger subreddit are not on NJZ' side, it's very likely that some details that might support NJZ' case are not being shared there. And I want to have a full picture of the case

[short laurel]

or rare pro nhj threads that just not get much attention survives.

did u studied everything that happened sicne last year? there's sooo much. and not everything are in pin

[subtle matrix]

I have been following the case casually since the beginning but in the last couple of months I have been more interested in understanding all the details

[jolly junco]

i'm very sensitive to new members who joined this server and not pro NJZ, call me traumatized but idc
as a tokkis, you should pro NJZ all the way

[craggy skiff]

When did reddit ever in njs side?

[rain spade]

they don't even know their age, look at them ttrying to give their own damn opinions and they talk like they know the law

[upbeat stream]

Not everything, but I do remember most of it. Honestly someone can probably write a whole book on this conflict and it's nowhere near done

[short laurel]

even then there's so much that's not being shared enough for casual followers to learn about them.

[subtle matrix]

Early on a lot of people were more sympathetic towards them. And later on the prevailing opinion was that MHJ was wrong but the girls were just along for the ride. The vitriol against the girls themselves increased as time went on

[short laurel]

i've been following since may and so many details are mixed up in my mind. i fear i might've given incorrect opinions from time to time.

[craggy skiff]

Strange. I never see any pro njs post on reddit except r/newjeans

[polar owl]

Any livestreams folks?

[short laurel]

nope

[hollow sorrel]

what's really frustrating is the court not being able to tell between fraudor and ador, like yes ADOR invested a lot into NewJeans, but that was because of mhj and Kim Joo-young wasn't even included back then

there are a lot other cases in this injunction where things are denied or accepted, but it's quite the opposite efforts of mhj and kjy

[subtle matrix]

Most of reddit has been fully anti-NJZ from a few months now. But at the start it wasn't like that

[short laurel]

not to mentioned ador n hybe already got their full invesment back with interest and profits. something not mentioned in the report

[hollow sorrel]

exactly I hope Sejong emphasizes that in the objection and goes all out on explaining why there is a breakdown of trust

[polar owl]

Breakdown of trust and not the industry-wide mistreatment of idols should be the theme.

[subtle matrix]

Well that's one of the challenges for NJZ side. Legally ADOR is ADOR. That is how the court will see it. I think one of the major mistakes NJZ made was the MHJ ultimatum for that exact reason. They should've just left instead of making it conditional on MHJ not being reappointed as CEO

[upbeat stream]

I need to know the details of that supreme court case where it ruled in favor of an artist because her management changed. It's difficult to find because I don't know Korean

[short laurel]

court used the poitn of mhj given internal director position and her not accepting it against NJZ

[upbeat stream]

Sejong mentioned it on March 7th, so it's surely relevant

[short laurel]

iirc it was lower court. not high court

[polar owl]

https://x.com/dont_let3e_down/status/1903769981961039924?t=Q5tz8TeLII414GjG4m1i-w&s=19

桑島 (@dont_let3e_down) on X

ステージじゃなくてブースでのDJプレイでこの歓声はかなり凄い。
#NJZ
#NJZ_COMPLEXCON
#NJZ_COMING_COMPLEX

X · Mar 23, 2025, 11:25 AM

[subtle matrix]

Yep. NJZ connecting their case to MHJ makes their legal argument much harder. Idk what their lawyers were thinking letting them do that

[upbeat stream]

Really? Why do I remember a supreme court case? But maybe I forgot, Cato (a translator tokki on twt) posted about it but I forgot to bookmark, and now I can't find it

[short laurel]

maybe it was supreme court.

[upbeat stream]

I think it's because of that case but as I said I don't know the details to say how close it was to njz's situation

[polar owl]

Isn't it time?

[short laurel]

yea, i wish lawyers considered mhj case. iirc when she was given internal director position n she couldn't accept it cuz of the clause it had which would weak her case against hybe over her ceo position and her stocks.

[polar owl]

Why would a CEO work as a director under another CEO in the same organisation?

[jolly junco]

1 hour

[upbeat stream]

https://www.lawtimes.co.kr/news/20615

[short laurel]

issue was if she had accepted the position. she would need hybe plantes baord's permission to do what she wanted and chance of her new ideas stolen too .

[upbeat stream]

'Furthermore, they argued that "there are many cases in which lower court decisions recognized the termination of exclusive contracts, and there were also cases where contracts were terminated due to the manager's resignation'
Sejong made this argument

[craggy skiff]

They talk about her given internal director position but can they explain why she kicked out from CEO position?
What exactly she did wrong to be removed?

[short laurel]

that lawsuit is ongoing

[upbeat stream]

They were definitely talking about that case

[waxen musk]

Any reason for the yapping in here today? Anyway probably time to ignore lol.

[rose turret]

guys just enjoy the concert for today

leave the yapping and haters

[red thorn]

There's this hybe's principle that production and management should be separate

[rose turret]

-jamjeans

[tall dew]

[polar owl]

Is 'Back on Track' something to do with the new song?

[cinder narwhal]

I'm curious too

but i think it's just a trending phrase, pit stop is the actual name of the new song

[waxen musk]

Yeah it's fan coordinated.

[red thorn]

Right, bunnies initiative I assume

[sonic olive]

Wheres the live ?

[polar owl]

https://www.instagram.com/j4ynaszn/live/18126010729420261?igsh=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==

[grizzled summit]

Hii where can I watch njz concert on yt

[short laurel]

there's no official stream

[grizzled summit]

Then where can I find

[copper current]

This one

[short laurel]

the ig live link above

[polar owl]

Someone Live streaming

[grizzled summit]

I don't have ig

Isn't jace performing now

[flint stone]

go to general voice chat

[flint stone]

maybe? definitely not njz

[night niche]

someone ping me if cheetos goes on live

[night niche]

yeah im pretty sure its jace

[honest sky]

Its haerin

[flint torrent]

im lwk scared that hyein might get hate from tripping ☹️

[waxen musk]

tripping?

[flint torrent]

she sounded happy during ditto tho

[flint torrent]

https://youtu.be/IwDNTTx5O-Q?si=itm9UcAUGKXC1gVB here she tripped over smth

[waxen musk]

yeah... what's that got to do with anything now?

[honest sky]

Right?

[waxen musk]

i'm confused why you brought it up lol

[red thorn]

That's... University performance

[fast lotus]

Got excited for a sec

[glossy siren]

https://x.com/haerinthequeenn/status/1903758191059480853?t=QrVMM1CgY66ksIgi_hQF0Q&s=19

NJZ Enthusiast (@haerinthequeenn) on X

the reporter might be the guy tbh if so that’s embarrassing for us because he put out a really good article

X · Mar 23, 2025, 10:38 AM

Oops? Ahahah

We are too traumatized, faith in humanity is gone

[short laurel]

bnz are just on edge after so much mediaplay against girls

[fierce cloak]

Btw anyone knows how to check the upcoming schedule of lawsuit and stuff?

[waxen musk]

#1231839760759263232 message

[narrow seal]

Message linked

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from ashbash159

• March 14 - Deadline for submission of evidence after March 7 injunction hearing.
  - March 14 – MHJ’s second hearing against Source Music. DELAYED
• March 17 - MHJ vs Employee B
• April 3 – ADOR vs. MHDHH: Exclusive contract validation trial.
• April 17 – MHJ’s second hearing for the shareholders’ agreement
• May 2 - MHJ's third hearing against Bethief.
• May 26 - MHJ vs Employee B second hearing.
• May 30 – MHJ’s second hearing against Source Music.
  [Jump to message](#1231839760759263232 message)

[waxen musk]

Only one to care about for NJZ is 3 April so far. Probably something sooner regarding the objection but we don't know yet

[fierce cloak]

thanks! how do you do that?

[waxen musk]

I copied my message I wrote ages ago and pasted it here "copy message link"

[fierce cloak]

oh i see! Thanks tho

hmm i guess the injuction favor ador because the main suit is very close, i hope njz team are well prepare for the main thing, it seems they disappointed but expected the possible outcome of the injunction

[grizzled summit]

When's their turn

[alpine matrix]

did the performance start??

[short laurel]

not yet

[polar owl]

https://x.com/i/broadcasts/1lPKqMWakPdKb?t=W0oWkykYXBmN5X5gBuhcNA&s=09

NJZ ブリー

COMPLEXCON NJZ

X

[alpine matrix]

THANK YOUU

[polar owl]

161k people waiting

[frozen bronze]

not a single hate message in here the hate sentiment is so fake

[glossy siren]

How long till the girls performance?

[craggy skiff]

yes. I feel strange because dont see any hate message there

[glossy siren]

Socials are echo chambers, these events show you reality

[polar owl]

If anything, all this has only increased their popularity

[polar owl]

Live started

[fierce cloak]

totally, make fans even more hardcore supporting the members and team even more

Like bnz legit don't need to worry about the online haters - they are brainrot exclusive active in kpoppie bubble, that no one really care about
All groups have haters and they are all worst miserable people anyway

the only thing truly important it njz vs ador lawsuit

[waxen musk]

sometimes i wonder if we worry more than the girls do lol

[glossy siren]

Yes, it's hard to believe that someone would drop them because of everything. There might be cases, but I wouldn't bet on those people's intelligence.

[grizzled summit]

In other words armpits??

[polar owl]

Only worry is all this legality. Fan base is stronger than ever

[glossy siren]

I don't worry for the simple fact that the girls know what to do, what would I know. In a way or another, sooner or later they will return to a full free carreer, their brand is too strong, it will stand time and attacks

[grizzled summit]

But Twitter and discord bunnies are not responding to the online hate on YouTube

[glossy siren]

They know they are doing the right thing and in a clean way

[fierce cloak]

yeah it's very easy to notice the common pattern of those fake fans or haters are they are not smart at all, have a lot of cognitive dissonance & hypocricy, also dripping mental illness, insecurity, self loathing & jealously, emotionally unstable that's why they addict to drama and must harass others as a lash out mechanism

[glossy siren]

I just find absurd that somebody from outside would genuinely think they know what's best more than the girls in the front line.

[polar owl]

I have responded logically wherever possible, but the arguments are so horrible that it's a waste of time

[glossy siren]

Debunk and block

Don't expect anything, leave your print and run

[fierce cloak]

yeah no need to argue because they will drag you down to their level of brainrot plus most of them are just unloved people who deeply insecure and unstable desperate to seek attention and control, that's why they spill all nonsense, conspiracy, and think they are smarter than people in the case lol

[fierce cloak]

yeah bnz should priority to spread the truth, while ignore argue with bad faith people

[surreal raft]

possibly

[polar owl]

When is it going to start?

395k waiting on an unofficial stream which has not began

[glossy siren]

If only the toxic part of the fandom (which exists in every fandom and, sadly, is always the loudest and most well-known to people outside) had stayed quiet and responded only with debunks—without engaging in eye-for-an-eye dynamics or insulting other idols as a clapback—we would have the best fandom reputation, considering everything Team Bunnies has done. But even here, I've noticed that some Bunnies almost seem to enjoy hate trains masked as justice stuff... K-pop is so fun; it has to have its dark sides.

Today we can finally refocus on the bright side

Recharge day 🥂✨️

[waxen musk]

stop yapping it's about START in few mins

[hollow sorrel]

and when at the end of the concert a gofundme pops up

[glossy siren]

Yapping said from you is...something

[polar owl]

No one yapps here 😂

[waxen musk]

yeah i'm speaking from experience

[glossy siren]

People saying "it's about to start" since 2 hours ago

I'm developing trust issues

[waxen musk]

it's legit starting in a min

[short laurel]

yap

[polar owl]

Intermission going on. Next act is NJZ

[waxen musk]

i know. i'm telling yall

[glossy siren]

300k in my live stream

[flint stone]

your live stream? link?

[glossy siren]

My meaning the one I'm looking at

One sec for the link...

https://x.com/i/broadcasts/1lPKqMWakPdKb?t=GXWmG7yGSOlzGsEqXPvkHw&s=09

NJZ ブリー

COMPLEXCON NJZ

X

[frozen bronze]

this is at 515k

[glossy siren]

GUYS 500K

[hollow sorrel]

complexcon kinda fumbled by not doing an official livestream...

[glossy siren]

Smear campaign: failed.

[frozen bronze]

they couldve gotten some big sponsor money with this kind of viewers

[glossy siren]

And rising

[polar owl]

It will suck if she doesn't go live

[short laurel]

fyi. twt view count are not real. it adds the number of profiles it came up on (impressions)

[craggy skiff]

joke: they are ador staff since begin

[glossy siren]

Shhhhh it's time for us to do some mediaplay

[frozen bronze]

i see now, its views not viewers

[polar owl]

I don't know this, and I still don't know this.

[wise wagon]

did they begin their performance? :0

[short laurel]

it's still impressive number for unofficial stream

[polar owl]

It's increasing by 1000 views every second

[short laurel]

soon

[glossy siren]

https://x.com/tokkizones/status/1903797139395981699?t=UoBLnUj_fzAqD1pOW8RhcQ&s=19

Zones (@tokkizones) on X

BNZ is chanting NJZ

X · Mar 23, 2025, 1:13 PM

[polar owl]

In 2 min

[glossy siren]

I feel like today every channel is going to be a live chat

[wise wagon]

im just here to say im extremely grateful to be part of this fandom >< we (and of course the girls!!) have been through so much this year, it's really heartwarming to be able to watch them perform again with many bunnies even after everything,, everyone here has been so supportive and positive

[polar owl]

This will be emotional for the girls as well, I am sure

It's 9:30 pm in HK

[glossy siren]

They must be so nervous and excited, it's a big thing, all eyes on them today

A day to remember for sure.

[polar owl]

Will all the backstage drama of Ador taking over their show added

[glossy siren]

Black screen. Fans screaming. A strong sound. A big red graphic on screen saying " ador, you wish"

[craggy skiff]

https://x.com/ephiechingu/status/1903797536592396607
I love thí idea

chimken destroyer☘️😑 (@ephiechingu) on X

I think the girls should held out the mic to the crowd the moment after they say "HELLO WE ARE...." so that it's the crowd who will chant their name

"NJZ! NJZ!"

X · Mar 23, 2025, 1:14 PM

[rain spade]

[jolly junco]

update

they dont introduce themselves as newjeans nor NJZ

[copper current]

they are smart

[short laurel]

they not had to cuz crowd screamed NJZ. this is perfect

[polar owl]

Hope someone will translate the Korean parts of what they are saying

NJZ

[jolly junco]

FCK HYBE

[short laurel]

so basically ador hybe won. they wanted to put girls on hiatus and that's what happened

[mental lynx]

stupid hybe, stupid ador

[polar owl]

They are pausing

Till they challenge the injunction

[rain spade]

is good tthat they didn't mention newjeans like ador wantedd so they still standing strong

[short laurel]

there's hope since they objected the ruling

[knotty valve]

Hope they keep eating shit forever, ruining your most popular girl group is certainly a take

[short laurel]

they said bye with their name. not group name njz or newjeans

[frozen granite]

They are pausing until objection goes through I guess

[jolly junco]

I urgently need to kill someone

[waxen musk]

It's not over forever. Don't give up hope.

[polar owl]

They are pausing because they won't be following what Ador wants them to do. They are fighting for NJZ

[night niche]

let’s wait until april 3rd, the girls wouldn’t want us doom posting so let’s not do that yall

[waxen musk]

Imagine this objection gets granted in like two weeks lol.

[upbeat stream]

They achieved what Park Jiwon and Lee Jaesang wanted to

[frozen granite]

Anyway, something to look forward to ! Another court hearing …

[night niche]

and this is literally only the beginning yall

[cinder narwhal]

i hope the regulars of this channel find something else to take up their time, dont obssess, stress about this move on with life, take care of yourselves

[upbeat stream]

They literally said it, and the fuckass judge still didn't think it's an issue

[night niche]

let’s not put it that way yall…

[waxen musk]

Yeah, this is what we should have all expected from the start. A very long wait. The fact we got this is just a bonus we could have never predicted last year.

Anyway I better get backreading main chat now and seeing the pics and vids.

[night niche]

everyone remember, negativity gets us nowhere

[upbeat stream]

Might not be the worst idea to lock this chat till April 3rd or if there's some major development

[knotty valve]

Yeah lots of us might be crashing out, me included lol

[rain spade]

they don't even need ador, look at their new song is so good from what we saw and heard(kinda)

[polar owl]

The fight is on. Don't get discouraged

[waxen musk]

all that does it spill out things into the main chat. i dunno

[polar owl]

The song is fire

[rain spade]

ador can go fuck themselves even if tthey won the main lawsuit, they're never gonna go back to your fuck ass company

[polar owl]

Don't lock. We need a place to vent

[stiff prairie]

how are u guys feeling

[twin cypress]

That was deliberate on not performing any newjeans songs

[stiff prairie]

yeah that was the plan even before court ruling i think

[twin cypress]

Basically a f you statement to hybe without saying it out loud😂. They ain’t going back to work for ador lmao

[jolly junco]

I’m happy and sooooo so damn angry at the same time

[twin cypress]

Nah I think if they won the injunction they would’ve performed the newjeans songs

[jolly junco]

I’m furious

[polar owl]

Yes. They rightly didn't play NJ songs. Ador didn't get their way in controlling their performance.

[stiff prairie]

i feel a bit empty. just looking forward to some good quality fancams now

[frozen bronze]

they cant just change that a few days in advance

[jolly junco]

I really need to kill someone to vent this anger

[craggy skiff]

here you go
https://x.com/NewJeansCharts/status/1903817117431963983

NJZ Charts (@NewJeansCharts) on X

PIT STOP

X · Mar 23, 2025, 2:32 PM

[frozen bronze]

nj loops has all the performances

[polar owl]

They displayed NJZ in the graphics. They are not going anywhere

[grim hatch]

Hiatus is confirmed right

[jolly junco]

Yes

[tardy smelt]

the ditto mv is real now in such a cruel way. time to take a step back and move on with our lives. it's see you later for a bit.

[craggy skiff]

that ridiculous go as hybe plan at starting

[polar owl]

Hiatus is a big finger at Hybe - saying no their plans

[frozen granite]

I am feeling hopeful

[potent lichen]

I’m happy they got to perform

[kindred estuary]

seems like there's gonna be another media play monday tomorrow

[frozen granite]

Same & they saw all the love from their fans !!!

[polar owl]

Nothing matters now. Just need to win in the courts

[frozen granite]

I think they are just taking a step back before the main lawsuit comes which I think it’s smart

[waxen musk]

Into the unknown.

[frozen granite]

They need to be emotionally strong

[craggy skiff]

win or lose, njs wont back anyway
ador gonna setup new group soon

[tired cairn]

I'll post my transcript of what danielle and hanni said after the performance here in a bit. Please remember that it's only paraphrasing as well, since i haven't found a video to watch that back yet

[waxen musk]

Just listen to what they said. Not giving up. Not the end.

[frozen granite]

They are ? lol

[polar owl]

They are pausing as NJZ because of the injunction. They will not go back to Ador. They are fighting the main lawsuit

[frozen granite]

Yup

[short laurel]

girls choose the perfect answer. not as njz, not as newjeans, simply their names MHDHH.

[craggy skiff]

I saw they looking for new boy group from mhj project

[short laurel]

hybe was forcing mhj to make a bg. so ador has boy trainees

[rain spade]

apparenty i heard last ttime , they had a boy group

[frozen granite]

Oh … i thought they had scrapped that .. wondering how that will go

[glossy siren]

Put a warning, you just broke my heart, too direct, damn

[short laurel]

but even after mhj left ador are still recruiting boys trainee. so it'll take a while but knowing hybe lack of proper training for idols, it won't take long.

[polar owl]

Don't know what to do now. 😭

[craggy skiff]

look like trainees from the bg mhj setup was leave.
fraudor just pick up her idea and use it for another

[glossy siren]

As they've said in their new song, they're cut from a different fabric. They'll comeback stronger

[surreal raft]

I heard NJZ is going on hiatus??

[frozen granite]

Mentally prepare yourself for next week lol

Anyway, I love the song !!!

[sage venture]

just like that, I've put my interest in Kpop on pause too

[hollow sorrel]

also who in their right mind would audition for that empty company, all the creative people left

[craggy skiff]

welcome to jpop 👍

[pastel umbra]

I've been out of the loop for a bit since this has been kind of a depressing ride
does this hiatus mean that they're not trying to reappeal the injunction decision anymore?

[short laurel]

unfortunately there are many desperate kids and parents who wants their kids to be idol. treatment doesn't matter much ot them.
when loona was leaving BBC, BBC had recruited boys for new group but BBC got defuct luckely

[rain spade]

lil innocent kids dream of becoming an idol one day

[craggy skiff]

they will but I dont think it will change anything
it is too close the main court

[stiff prairie]

they will do allat just not entertainment activities

[frozen granite]

They did appeal I believe

[kindred estuary]

11 days till main trial starts

[night niche]

they’re still appealing

[frozen granite]

Right ? I saw someone said they appealed two days ago

[short laurel]

objecting, not appealing

[frozen bronze]

the injuction is until the end of the main court, which will be ages

[night niche]

on @njz_pr they state they were appealing

[glossy siren]

They are objecting, but after they can still appeal

[craggy skiff]

yes. that why that injuction is important. and we lose anyway

[frozen bronze]

someone posted here earlier that they went through with the objection

[pastel umbra]

so is there still hope then if they object the injunction...? or is it more unlikely than anything that there's a positive outcome from it

[rain spade]

Worst case scenario, the girls justt have to wait till 2029

[short laurel]

small hope.

[frozen bronze]

objection is with the same court and judge so im not very hopeful

[glossy siren]

I just think: sooner or later...they'll comeback

[craggy skiff]

"just"

[short laurel]

yea and waste their prime under ador

[glossy siren]

C'mon prime...

[frozen granite]

Damn this is getting depressing asf

[rain spade]

i mean, what i'm saying is worst case
anything mightt happen who knows

[short laurel]

at the peak of their popularity they have to go through this drama.

[winged folio]

If you think about it Hyein will still only be 21 in 2029

[stiff prairie]

post concert depression plus hiatus depression. need a lot to get past this

[glossy siren]

Beyonce still going strong out her 30s

[pastel umbra]

with how cooked it sounds it's why I've been trying not to keep up as much but damn it sucks

[short laurel]

i m talking abotu their popularity. not age

[night niche]

i don’t understand how everyone gets so negative so quickly…

[dark glade]

Indeed, all the members are appealing, but I anticipate this court case will persist for several years due to the inherent rivalry between NJZ and Ador, which can be likened to the most prominent record label in Korea. It is hoped that NJZ emerge victorious, leading to the negotiation of a favourable deal or an agreement that allows them to depart promptly. However, achieving this goal will undoubtedly require a considerable amount of time and effort.

[waxen musk]

i know right. it's like they didnt hear what the girls said in full. (tbh was hard to hear properly and overwhelming)

[craggy skiff]

it is suck. If they need pay for terminate, why dont let they free to work as soon as possible.
Pay or not, the contract already break and they wont work with fraudor anyway.

[polar owl]

I am vibing to the new song to feel better

[short laurel]

atleast they said a fu to ador by not using newjeans

[frozen granite]

Let’s all vibe to the new song !!

[tired cairn]

My transcript of what Danielle and Hanni said after the performance at Complex Con. (The other members spoke their announcements in Korean, please wait for better transcriptions and translations of those parts.)
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJfXXsVtTsQ

ALL: “Thank you Complex Con!”

Crowd (chanting): “NJZ”

Hanni: Saur… Before we go, we wanted to take this opportunity where a lot of wonderful people are with us today. (That’s you, you’re wonderful!) And there’s a few words that we wanted to say, but just in case, cause we might be a bit nervous, that we would forget a few points, si we’ve written a letter that we’ll read for you guys. I don’t know if that’s okay for you guys. Okay let us just pull out our letters.

Danielle: It’s pretty wrinkled up…

Hanni: We’re gonna be switching between language so that everyone here can understand some thing, so please, just keep in mind… [KR]

Minji: 안녕하세요 bunnies
Hanni: 안녕하세요 bunnies
Haerin: 안녕하세요

Hanni: Hello bunnies. Thank you so much for being with us today. This stage means so much to us and every single one of you here gives us strength just by being here. It is really hard for us say this, but this might be our last performance for a little while. Out of respect for the courts decision we’ve decided to pause our activities for now. It wasn’t an easy decision, but we believe this is something we need to do at this moment.

Haerin: [KR]

Danielle: Honestly, we’ve known from the start that this journey wasn’t going to be easy. Even though we accept the courts ruling and this whole process, we had to speak up to protect the values we believe in. And that was a choice we don’t regret at all. We truly believe that standing up for our dignity, our rights, and everything we just deeply care about is something that we had to do. And that believe will not change.

Minji: [KR]

-# too long for 1 message, continued below.

[rain spade]

understandable, u can't do much honestly, ppl would still support them regardless

[polar owl]

They used NJZ in the graphics

[short laurel]

that guy was bringign the worse case scenario T_T

[tired cairn]

Hanni: We truly believe that standing up for our dignity, our rights, and everything we deeply care about is something that we had to do. And that believe will not change. We understand and know that today’s news might be dispapointing or upsetting for many bunnies, but it was not an easy decision for us to make either. At the moment for us, it is about protecting ourself so we can come back even stronger.

Hyein: [KR]

Danielle: Thank you, guys. There was a lot that we had to go through, things that really we only know about. Even amongst all that there’s so many things that we wanted to share with you guys and so many fun plans that we’re excited to announce, but right now it feels too hard to keep going at this pace. And as strong as we are, trying to stay, it has honestly a bit of mental and emotional toll on us. However, this doesn’t mean we are going to give up. We will keep pushing forward no matter what. Coming to Hong Kong and receiving all this love and support from you guys at Complex Con gave us so much strength. Truly, thank you guys so much!

Hyein: [KR] (tearing up)

Hanni: Right now our hearts are a little worn out and it feels a bit too hard to just keep going at this pace, but that doesn’t mean that we are going to give up. And we’re going to keep going. With this decision we’ve made we’re respecting the court’s decision. For now, it’s just us taking a step back to pause, take a breath, and gather our hearts and ourselfs before moving forward again.

Minji: [KR]

Danielle: To everybody who has been beliveving in us and supporting us through everything, from the bottom of our hearts, thank you. We love you so so so so much and we can’t express how grateful we are. We promise no matter the cirumstances, we will meet again soon.

Minji: Outro [KR]
Members say their name

Minji: Thank you so much!
Haerin: Thank you!
Hanni: Thank you so much! We’ll see you again soon, promise.

Minji: “Bye”
Haerin: “Bye”
Hanni: “We’ll miss you!”
Danielle: “Thank you”

[glossy siren]

People around them will not waste this time don't worry, stuff will be cooked behind the scenes, the comeback will be rich

The song is growing on me like crazy " I'M CUT FROM A DIFFERENT FABRIC 💥💥💥"

I wish the girls all the best...

[waxen musk]

"We promise no matter the cirumstances, we will meet again soon."

Don't know why I heard "very soon" on the live. I was hearing things.

[crisp flame]

where is njz at rn and are they at a event?

[glossy siren]

https://x.com/MINJ1BEAR/status/1903821720621895906?t=i6V2ChCs2_EpBf9iw1o_nQ&s=19

alex. 🧸🏁🏎️ (@MINJ1BEAR) on X

THIS HIT. THE LYRICS!!!! “cut from a different fabric”, “breathe… before i speak”… listening to this is like newfound motivation. like they said, they’re going to come back better and stronger and i look forward to that day. :’)

X · Mar 23, 2025, 2:50 PM

This lyrics are meaningful in this time

[waxen musk]

And "it's not over 'till it's over" in the lyrics at the start

[polar owl]

Yeah, NJZ is not the usual idol group which Hybe thought they could shut down

[waxen musk]

I think this really was written with the purpose of addressing what is happening with them.

[polar owl]

They were recording this song - can we expect a pro shot version? 🤔

[runic granite]

Ador is gonna drag this lawsuit out for as long as they can because of how much hate was brought onto them. Eventually, NJZ will have to make a compromise otherwise the girls are gonna get ripped to shreds with penalties for all the contract breaches. I truly hope the girls bring some new strong evidence in the main lawsuit otherwise it's ggs

[mental lynx]

We made great memories with them, and we will be making even better memories with them in the future ❤️

[honest sky]

The lyrics are really good and the beat too but Idk how I feel about the talk singing

[waxen musk]

lol stop talking like it's over.

[mental lynx]

the girls come back stronger than ever before

[polar owl]

Ador is not winning this.

[night niche]

that’s what i’m saying

[frozen granite]

I think they are just venting which is understandable

[waxen musk]

Everybody chill. Read what the girls said. Read what NJZ PR said the other day. Then take a nice long break.

[glossy siren]

https://x.com/pouchwonki/status/1903813777663123858?t=KykpNVo7_PNhC4PJ7Vt9OA&s=19

shie (@pouchwonki) on X

"you tell me i'm lost and confused, 'cause i'm not listening to all of your rules. we might be young, we might be reckless. so fuckin' what? that's how we are"

SING THAT SHIT, MINJI 🗣️

X · Mar 23, 2025, 2:19 PM

[frozen granite]

It’s ok we’ll hear back next week

[runic granite]

We can't be delusional guys, EVERY SINGLE claim that njz brought to court for that injunction were dismissed 😭

[waxen musk]

The evidence wasn't properly examined, it was just taken at face value because they didn't have time in an injunction to present things in FULL DEPTH

[night niche]

everybody needs to chill out, NJZ is not over, take a deep breath, don’t stress on and on about the what ifs, and take a break man

[runic granite]

They need to gather strong evidence

[waxen musk]

Injunction was just a couple of hours hearing

[mental lynx]

100% nothing is over

[night niche]

were not being delusional at all and we know that injunctions don’t even hold much merit because even after mhj won hers she still got fired

[frozen granite]

Omg she cussed ?! Lmaoooo

[glossy siren]

Are you serious? Here?

[tired ingot]

sybau

[red thorn]

There's 2 types of kpop singing style that kpop overused, bending vocal and rap talking
The later I still can stand

[waxen musk]

We're not being delusional by saying "wait until the main lawsuit so they can go through the evidence in depth". It's just the truth.

[mental lynx]

?

[night niche]

let’s not be negative about the song here either

[frozen granite]

The song slaps omg

[quartz creek]

The song is gas

[mental lynx]

i liked the song

[polar owl]

The song is good. It's not like NJZ will always sing this way or the other.

[red thorn]

Music is good

[quartz creek]

I just couldn’t hear anything tho

[tired ingot]

I'm sorry, I didn't read your chat properly

[waxen musk]

You can not like the song it's fine to not like it. It doesn't make their whole discography bad.
I initially didn't like it but I heard it first with bad quality.
Hearing it again now it's growing on me a lot. Still not my fav. But the performace was AMAZING. Choreo and outfits top notch.

[polar owl]

Hear the repeats. Much better quality

[mental lynx]

oh ok i thought the heck i did now 🥺

[frozen granite]

The only thing I don’t like about the song is
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It’s not on Spotify

[waxen musk]

They really need to leak the mp3 somehow. I know it's probably "illegal" tho... (not illegal but you know what i mean)

[tired cairn]

it's only illegal if you get caught

[polar owl]

Need a pro shot version

[stiff prairie]

waiting for 2 months or 2 years when they win this shit and release it officially

[waxen musk]

We're still technically waiting for Hold It Down and Butterflies (With U).
This is just one more to add to the list.

[red thorn]

Yeah performance is good, slick choreo

[polar owl]

Keep the hopes up.

[stiff prairie]

always

[frozen granite]

That’s how people felt about how sweet & it ended up being a hit

[waxen musk]

Gonna be sad if things really slow down and there's nothing to talk about other than court shit every few weeks or months.

[waxen musk]

Nah How Sweet was one of the strongest postivie first reactions I've ever had to their songs.
People have different opinions... funny that.

[stiff prairie]

will be more hurt if they stop using insta asw

[polar owl]

I promise to keep my patience till this phase passes by. I promise that my love for NJZ will only grow each day.

[waxen musk]

They might have to stop with the NJZ account, doesn't stop them from using personal accounts or a new account, right? I wouldn't think so.

[abstract herald]

Literally I can’t live without their silly random stories

[prime hearth]

its impossible to hate this song lmao, its fcking wild

[stiff prairie]

who's hating this song

[tired ingot]

bsh

[stiff prairie]

bsh and 3 fandom's opinions are invalidated

[polar owl]

They should not stop the NJZ channel

[night niche]

~t https://x.com/Liasshy/status/1903752162250768789

[narrow seal]

250323 Lia ✮🏎️🏁 (@​Liasshy) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/Liasshy/status/1903752162250768789
Please all NJZ fans follow these simple rules on all platforms for the upcoming months

[red thorn]

I personally liked How Sweet when first dropped
And got validation from Laufey too lol

[night niche]

but keep streaming NJZ

[abstract herald]

Laufey and njz interactions are so cute I need the collab 💔

One day

[fast snow]

Everything Ive already been doing mentioned lovely