NJZ Updates and Discussion

[wise wagon]

arent penalty fees usually calculated respectively to the amount of money invested into groups? im not quite sure how it works so take it with a grain of salt

[hot girder]

ah dang it I missed the screenshot

[flint stone]

make them come back, it doesn't sound possible, they have human rights

[silk sparrow]

Depends how true danielle is to her word in the last hearing, maybe they will change their mind

[hot girder]

everything is possible if you're shit enough

[fast lotus]

This is making confused

[flint stone]

i have no idea, but it definitely should be less than $420M USD

[shrewd badger]

Yeah it should totally be less than that 😭

[hot girder]

apparently the 420M USD comes from mhj's own calculations so we might be #fucked

[fast lotus]

We’re so fried I fear💔

[flint stone]

mhj's own calculations? where did u take this from?

[night niche]

let’s not be negative now, we don’t know what’ll happen

[hot girder]

from earlier today, that's where the number came from, her own team making the calculations. I don't know how much of this is true, though

[shrewd badger]

No wait wasnt the 423 million just lost from the market cap after njz said they were terminating the contract

Maybe that's where she got the value from ?

[silk sparrow]

https://www.allkpop.com/article/2024/04/every-newjeans-member-revealed-to-have-received-52-billion-krw-38-million-usd-in-settlement-money-last-year 3.8 million usd each, theyre pretty rich 😭 🤔

[silk sparrow]

tbh i have no idea

[dapper root]

whers good

[stable escarp]

$420 million is crazy work for a group that hasnt made that in return yet. They trynna put them in generational debt

[dapper root]

oh talking about floptokki

[flint stone]

i mean everyone wanna work with them and they are popular not only in Korea

[shrewd badger]

I doubt they'd be fined that much

[hot girder]

3.8 kinda low for how much they've made so far

[shrewd badger]

That's not the total amount they've earned I think

[stable escarp]

Yeah i know but those experts giving those numbers

[hot girder]

I hope the experts are wrong

[hot girder]

That's just last years earnings yeahh

[stable escarp]

The news went crazy when they found that out lol

[silk sparrow]

thats true, coca-cola, dior, vogue, theyre still going lol

[shrewd badger]

Same , at least there is new music Sunday 😭

[flint stone]

they probably are, because 420M sound unreal

[stable escarp]

I really hope their public image in korea is not ruined. I hope the ktokkie in here earlier is wrong

[jade jolt]

Everybody turned their head and started filming when njz arrived at jennies concert so their imagine if clearly not ruined everybody loves njz in korea

[hoary frost]

If the court forces the girls to return to ADOR and they refuse, it could get complicated, they might face heavy fines or even a ban from performing until things are resolved (what is basically happening now). It’s possible the court could push for some kind of mediation, but unless both sides agree, it could drag on for a while. Honestly, the best outcome would be for them to negotiate an end to the contract so the girls can move forward independently

[wise wagon]

i heard from a ktokki friend of mine that there were small beginnings of protests in korea in favour of njz :'0

[craggy owl]

It's not looking too good now... my hopes for winning this injunction were not high

[wise wagon]

the industry clearly doesnt see idols as humans but rather a means of money, people are finally beginning to wake up on how abnormal this is

[night niche]

guys i hate twt why is it breaking when im trying to make my thread 😞 its a comparison between mariah and njz

[craggy owl]

I hope they'd been made aware of the realistic probabilities of certain legal outcomes, and that they are prepared for it

[night niche]

i’ve said this multiple times before, but i really really recommend you guys look at other cases of artists in a similar situation to NJZ

[hoary frost]

I know it’s hard not to feel down about all this, but let’s stay positive. Things might be tough right now, but our girls are so damn strong, and they’ve got what it takes to make it through. we just need to keep supporting them, no matter what happens

[craggy owl]

Like Fifty-fifty?

[shrewd badger]

Jyj ?

[hot girder]

it's tough because korea is different. artists don't have a lot of rights, but that country doesn't even think idols are workers who deserve rights. so sadly looking into other cases from other countries won't help much

cases in korea like this, I don't think they exist yet, or at least not in a huge conglomerate like HYBE

[glossy siren]

You sound like you are having way too much fun condemning somebody over stuff of a decade ago...

[hoary frost]

c'mon not this again

[hot girder]

she leaked a photo hanni didn't want to make public, so she still a weirdo and argue with the wall because i'm not reliving this convo again

[glossy siren]

Sorry guys, I didn't notice the convo was so far back

[night niche]

no, though this is a situation in korea, i think it’s important to see that record labels abusing artists is a global situation. but this is a bit more of an exasperated situation since NJZ is a kpop group, but that means that the courts don’t have any jurisdiction outside of korea. for example, taylor swift had to re record every single one of her older albums, ironically, this is because of the current ceo of HYBE america, scooter braun. but even in the kpop industry there have been some successful cases, such as some members of exo filing lawsuits against sm and winning.

[cinder verge]

so what is the actual result if the injunction? like ik njz list but what does that mean for them? and if they win the injunction on april 3 then what?

[hoary frost]

it means the court ruled in favor of ADOR, stopping them from doing independent activities for now. They can’t perform or sign any contracts without ADOR’s approval until the case is fully resolved. This is just a temporary decision, though, and they still have the chance to appeal or work out a solution before the final ruling

[craggy owl]

I see. I know about the Taylor Swift re-recordings. We will see, I guess.
I've just watched the Times interview. I hope the girls are saying and doing these things out of their own conviction, and not because MHJ instructed them to do it.

[cinder verge]

so what is the april 3 case about?

[hoary frost]

and if they win the injunction on April 3, it means they would get permission to continue their independent activities without being forced to return to ADOR, they could go ahead with their projects, performances, and contracts without restrictions from the agency

[night niche]

mhj isn’t controlling the girls and this is a rhetoric people have used against the girls saying that they’re being manipulated. trust that they’re having this fight of their own fruition.

[frozen bronze]

april 3rd is the main case that will take probably over a year, this was just an injunction request by ador to suspend njz indpendant activities until the main case concludes

[hoary frost]

"over a year"

I don't have enough heart for this

[frozen bronze]

i think they can decide to leave anyway for now but they will have to pay the contract breach fees to ador and who knows how much it will cost

[cinder verge]

so is njz not able to do literally anything for a year and even then they still might lose?

[honest sky]

Ontop of the injunction results, theres also a certain tokki being exposed this is such a bum week 😭

[hoary frost]

If each tokki gives 10 dollars, I think we could help

[cinder verge]

wait what happened to taly

[frozen bronze]

technically if they become buddy buddy with ador rn they can continue on but thats not the end result anyone wants

for example complexcon is greenlit by ador and they are sending their staff along

[cinder verge]

are they gonna perform their new song still

[frozen bronze]

id assume so

[hollow adder]

yes

[night niche]

we had this conversation in the chat a while ago and it’s better not to bring it up right now

[cinder verge]

bruh im curious now

[frozen bronze]

its not relevant dont talk about it here Please :' (

[hollow adder]

just search for it in the search bar , or look it up on twt

[hot girder]

scroll up or search for it on twt!

[hoary frost]

It’s not exactly like they can’t do anything for a year. While they might be restricted for now because of the injunction, they can still fight and keep pushing forward, and if they win an appeal or the court rules in their favor later, they could go back to doing what they want. It’s a long process, but it’s not over yet, if they lose in the end, yeah, they could face bigger restrictions, but there’s still hope to turn things around

[night niche]

yes! they’re performing in hong kong, korea only has jurisdiction over korea, and not anywhere else

[frozen bronze]

also njz' legal team is objecting to this injunction apparently so its not fully over but idk what to expect from that

[hoary frost]

fortunately, yes

[hot girder]

I'm not expecting much tbh

[night niche]

and guys, please make sure to keep up to date with the njz_pr account on instagram to support the members.a lot of the questions you guys are asking have been answered in posts there

[hoary frost]

yeah, same

[frozen bronze]

it does seem like the judge took the easy and safe way out of this without really paying mind to much of the evidence lol

[cinder verge]

how tf did taly meet newjeans

[craggy owl]

I hope you are right.
MHJ is a producing genius, but she is starting to piss me off, I must say. As an adult and business veteran, she could have foreseen all this and taken precautions to preserve the group's career under any circumstances.

[frozen bronze]

is that not what she did in private before hybe blew it out of proportion?

[stable escarp]

Foreseen it how. She aint a saint, a god nor omniscient. Relax. We dont even know the whole story, and wont until the documentary comes out if she makes one.

[opaque torrent]

https://x.com/thegreatgaram/status/1903218117427466523

XOXO 🤍 GG (@thegreatgaram) on X

WHY DID SEJONG LOSE?

1. Official statement: because of the nature of injunctions—speedy hearings that is supposed to provide temporary, but immediate relief.

The main trial would afford more legal recourse to subpoena evidence and witnesses.

X · Mar 21, 2025, 10:52 PM

[night niche]

she did, unfortunately hybe is the one that started all this mess, but it’s a common misconception that it was the other way around.

[frozen bronze]

every single group that got namedropped in this whole thing was brought into it by hybe, yet one of the main talking points is that mhj is dragging all these other artists into it lol

[wise wagon]

im not entirely educated on mhj's alleged actions, but what is it about her that makes every other fandom hate her so much?

[frozen bronze]

mediaplay

[wise wagon]

fair point

[shrewd badger]

A lot of fans associate attacking hybe with attacking BTS for some reason 😭

[night niche]

the media misconstruing everything

[glossy siren]

https://tenor.com/view/sxv-wtf-gif-23560064

[hoary frost]

Because they believe that she spoke badly about some groups blah blah blah blah is brainwashing the girls and more blah blah blah

[stable escarp]

All mediaplay and the lil hybe/army fandom that gets hurt if theres mention of bts in anyqay shape or form lol

[shrewd badger]

I mean she probably tried her best , if you want to condemn someone, condemn the greedy higher ups at hybe

[cinder verge]

can smb explain taly situation in dms pls 🙏

[wise wagon]

this js shows how much they lack knowledge on teh situation because didnt mhj herself said not to blame any members ofany groups?

[hoary frost]

i mean, if the girls believe in MHJ, i will believe in them

[glossy siren]

I hate the all narrative, mhj should have done this and that, I know better, at the conference I would have done this...pleeease. she's a human being trying her best in a crazy heavy situation.

[hoary frost]

yeah she did

[frozen bronze]

she hasnt even really been involved in a while for all we know

[glossy siren]

All masters of communication when the game is done

[wise wagon]

i was about to say

we havent heard of her in a while (apart from that lawsuit she won)

[shrewd badger]

Yh she said that the artists aren't to blame and that they were innocent

[hoary frost]

She's been so quiet lately that I had even forgotten about MHJ's existence 😭

[night niche]

she’s probably working behind the scenes, anything she does in public people with misconstrue. we don’t know how often she’s been talking to girls and that’s okay if that’s something they wanna keep private.

[shrewd badger]

I think it's best that she isn't publicly working with njz

[wise wagon]

so have i omg 😭 i wonder why shes brought into the discussion all the time by other people if she isnt even really active in the midst of it

[frozen bronze]

yeah this is for the better

[glossy siren]

Oh yes, let's haters define people's lives...so healthy and fair

[quartz creek]

what if the songs at complex con r so good the court changes their mind

[shrewd badger]

I'm talking more about the legal aspect and the tampering stuff ador keeps bringing up

[hoary frost]

yeah

[craggy owl]

It's not difficult to see that if you get confrontational towards a conglomerate like Hybe, who hold the legal cards with respect to NewJeans, you are putting the group's existence at risk

[nocturne flume]

bro i actually dont believe this shit man

[glossy siren]

Some people put morals over work...

[frozen bronze]

hybe was putting the group's existence at risk and she was privately trying to do something about it

[nocturne flume]

can we just enjoy music breh 🤦‍♂️

[shrewd badger]

When Sunday comes , we'll only be talking about the new Song

[wise wagon]

as she should, people defend hybe saying theyre reacting badly to njz because of njz's alleged bratty behaviour, when in reality its the other way around with njz responding to hybe's toxic environment

i trust the girls they have such good values and im so proud of them for fighting for that cause

[nocturne flume]

yeah probably

[frozen bronze]

as long as they can post on any social media im honestly fine

[shrewd badger]

The only thing I'm looking forward to right now 😭

[glossy siren]

In 2025 people still drawing mhj as a stupid or dark character is...something.

[nocturne flume]

they’ve always been ina toxic environment, i mean have u seen what they wore when they were debuting

[wise wagon]

its very clear that hybe never supported the group's existence from the start, im sure they were aware of it long before this whole drama

[glossy siren]

?????

[shrewd badger]

Wdym by this ?

[frozen bronze]

i do kind of agree with that, some of the debut outfits should be better kept for later at least but its nothing insane

[glossy siren]

I go cause the discussion is becoming more and more surreal

[hoary frost]

Im genuinely curious, after this reputational damage wouldnt it benefit the company not to be abusive anymore? I feel like everyone will expect that from them and one headline then boom

[honest sky]

Are u calling the debut outfits bad 💔 in the midst of all this 💔💔💔💔💔😭😭😭

[shrewd badger]

They'll just pay media outlets for good press , no actual need for them to be better

[hoary frost]

Reputational damage is sorta a self furfilling prophecy cuz everyone expects it and assumes its a pattern even if it happens the same rate as other place

[quartz creek]

HYBE only cares about money. They might care at first just so their reputation doesn’t get ruined or so that they don’t look bad, but it’s HYBE..

[tiny peak]

HYBE is definitely turning up the media play and part-time workers right now because they see an opportunity. They clearly want to destroy NJZ reputation and have no intention of "supporting" them

HYBE only cares about BSH ego

[hoary frost]

well thats sorta what im assuming, out of pure self interest is it possible for our girls to end up like… someone ok?

[shrewd badger]

From the very beginning it was never about support but control

Even if they diminish the njz name value through media play , they don't care as long as they can control njz

[craggy owl]

I commend that, but can we trust fully MHJ's morals?

[shrewd badger]

I guess it's more of a choice of whose morals are more trustworthy

Mhj or hybe and it's clearly not hybe

[hoary frost]

I dont think thats true, their ultimate goal is money sure, but its not like the investors just want to emotionally supress people for some other reason

[tiny peak]

HYBE is not a normal company

[quartz creek]

They shouldn’t be called a “company”

[hoary frost]

but if supressing them does get money theyll be more than happy to do it, its sorta how companies work (unfortunately)

[shrewd badger]

If their ultimate goal was money they'd have never kicked out mhj , njz was on a path of being one of the most successful kpop girl groups

[tiny peak]

this would not have happened in any normal company, sabotaging the most successful group of their generation

[cinder verge]

can newjeans release the song to streaming platforms or only just perform it

[shrewd badger]

At this moment I think only perform it , unless ador gives permission to stream it

[quartz creek]

-prayjeans

[tall dew]

[hoary frost]

Tbh im surprised on both ends of this, im surprised the girls went against a much larger company or that HYBE didnt back down despite reputational damage, it seems sub par on both their ends just from a strategic point of view

[rough rune]

GUYS WHAT HAPPNED?

[craggy owl]

I would defend her for doing that, but we would need hard and solid proof for what Hybe is being accused of. How can we be confident in that after today's injunction, when it is more or less clear that the court did not deem what team NJZ presented sufficient?

[frozen bronze]

there was proof of what she initially brought up within hybe, hybe is the one that got it to the media and tried firing her over it

[honest sky]

Theu cant release it

[craggy owl]

To be clear: I also find Hybe's actions suspicious, but to ensure NewJeans can win, it needs to be watertight

[honest sky]

Unless it is under the name Newjeans, Ador might take it for themselves

[rough rune]

no, the musics have copyright

[frozen bronze]

also what the court ruled on today is on a much larger scope than what mhj brought up in the first place, you cant use the outcome of 1 to judge the other

[quartz creek]

Speaking of proof, do we know if there is CCTV footage of the situation Hanni was talking about with ILLIT? (The ACTUAL footage)

[shrewd badger]

We will have to wait for the trial in April for the entirety of njz evidence

How long do you think the contract validity will last ?

[frozen bronze]

hybe says the part right after the greeting got automatically deleted due to a 30d deletion period (very blatant lie)

[quartz creek]

Yea right put the fries in the bag HYBE

[honest sky]

No they showed footage of the wrong date and said that was the only interaction between them

[hoary frost]

Im genuinely curious, can the court NOT force Hybe to release evidence to them? just camera footage of their lives in Hybe would be enough to settle the lawsuit

[glossy siren]

Yes

[honest sky]

Wasnt ot mentioned that it was 4 or 5 more years

[subtle matrix]

2029

[hoary frost]

I dont understand how korean law works, so the statement wasnt saterical or something, just plain curiousity

[shrewd badger]

How do ktokkies feel about this result?

[honest sky]

Including this year it should have been 5 more years then

[high totem]

if hybe wants to defend their position im sure they would need various forms of evidence

[glossy siren]

You should dig more about her, her interviews, her vision of the industry, her goals. She has a creative driven mindset, not money hungry. Good content -> good results, no tricks.

[honest sky]

Complete crashout, since it is very obviously corruption since 5 out of 9 Fraudor people were in law, I think specifcally they were judges

[hoary frost]

thats not how (American) Law works tho, the accused (Hybe) is innocent until proven guilty, but they also control all the evidence

[craggy owl]

Doesn't look like it. It was depressing to see the rest of Reddit not caring about that...

[subtle matrix]

Since the injunction was granted the burden of proof will most likely be on NJZ side for future proceedings

[shrewd badger]

I'm hoping those tokkies stay strong 😭

[high totem]

iirc innocent until proven guilty also applies in korea
nevertheless both sides (hybe and njz) need strong proof to win

[hoary frost]

Yea, thats what i mean, in the US the courts would force Hybe to release their evidence

[gritty talon]

I have a question. So will NJZ go back to being new jeans since ADOR won or this is still on pause for right now. ☺️

[shrewd badger]

Pause

[sly python]

guys, is it crazy of me to think Jennie is going to sign NJZ once the contract is voided?

[gritty talon]

Okie thank you ☺️

[shrewd badger]

Njz will probably appeal the injunction

[craggy owl]

I have no doubt she's very good at her craft and has a clear vision. But at the moment I am afraid it's her ego and BSH's ego that might destroy NewJeans/NJZ

[shrewd badger]

It's more about bsh and the other higher up ego than mhj

[subtle matrix]

Kinda depends on what NJZ decide to do now. If they want to resume their activities now it will have to be as new jeans

[gritty talon]

Aah I see ☺️ I wonder what will happen

[subtle matrix]

Like when they still did the commitments that were already planned just after they broke the contract

[hoary frost]

Lets say they go back to Ador, will the reputational damage be horrible or will they go back and pretend nothing happened

[shrewd badger]

Right now NJZ are probably getting ready to do rehearsals for their new song 😭

[subtle matrix]

That doesn't seem to be an option

[craggy owl]

I despise the pettiness of BSH and the others at Hybe, yes. But I'm also wondering if MHJ has done all she could to put NewJeans above everything else

[rough rune]

bruh im crying, someone tell me thats fake.. please

[hoary frost]

unfortunately i personally feel the second one rn…

[subtle matrix]

I mean if anyone still thinks any party here has fully acted in good faith I got a bridge to sell them

[craggy owl]

It's getting late now, I'm gonna hit the hay. Might come back tomorrow. It was cool talking to you guys. Goodnight!

[gritty talon]

Have a wonderful night 🌙 ☺️🩷

[craggy owl]

NewJeans never die

[craggy owl]

TY you too guys 🙂

[shrewd badger]

Same I have to sleep as well 😭 hoping for good news when I wake up

[night niche]

~t https://x.com/12antiques/status/1903227220648169950 i finally did it

[narrow seal]

250321 antiquity (@​12antiques) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/12antiques/status/1903227220648169950
Mariah Carey vs. Sony. NJZ vs. HYBE. Two different eras, same industry tactics. A thread on how both faced corporate control, artistic suppression, and fights to keep their creative freedom. ⬇️

[hot girder]

nice thread antiquity, I'll be giving it a read

[glossy siren]

I hope it's cheap

I only know that one party has been always open to answer to anything fast, with receipts and support from people around. The other no.
I wonder if people who have all those doubts have watched the entire first conference, with accurate subs, completly.

[hoary frost]

I don’t think the girls would pretend nothing happened if they went back to ADOR—it’d be impossible to do that. But I also don’t think their reputation would be completely ruined

[glossy siren]

NJZ will survive and have a successfull career with any outcome. Now on in 4/5 years, their brand is way too solid. Hybe is playing with time hoping for people to replace them and forget

[subtle matrix]

So willing to answer everything fast with receipts that all their claims were denied in court for lack of evidence

[glossy siren]

Oh gosh you are one of those...

I don't see a dabate ground. You are not informed

[subtle matrix]

I've been told that I was not informed multiple times today. By people who later admitted to be misremembering facts about the case when I asked for clarification or questioned some of their claims

I will say again, I do not have any interest in seeing NJZ come out of this poorly

[glossy siren]

Ps. We were talking about min heejin, and min heejin won her first injunction, she is winning against malicious cimmenters and and let's wait for the rest.

[subtle matrix]

Won the first and lost the second and got kicked out

[glossy siren]

https://youtu.be/kGE8xbYEYdk?si=4Aeu-xKVGYN9GAHH

[hoary frost]

Why are you being so negative? 😭

[glossy siren]

I honestly have no energy to do your homework...

To debate there needs to be a common ground and I see in ur view too much mixed stuff.

[night niche]

thank you!

[subtle matrix]

It's the facts. I'm sorry but people are being wildly naive if they think they are helping NJZ in any way by burying their head in the sand, blindly accepting everything that comes out of MHJ/NJZ side and immediately labeling anything that supports HYBE's side as fake or misleading. 4 months after unilaterally breaking contract a judge deemed them unable to back up ANY of their claims to justify their actions due to lack of evidence. I'm not being negative, the situation is negative for them

[hoary frost]

It’s not about blindly accepting everything the girls say or do, it’s just about supporting them and believing in them. As fans, it makes sense that we’d trust what they’re going through and why they’re fighting. They’re in a tough spot, and all we can do is have their back, understand what they’re dealing with, and trust they’re doing what’s best for them. We’re not ignoring the facts, but as fans, we’re going to stand by them because we believe in them

[night niche]

are we being fr right now

[jolly junco]

D-1 !! Hwaiting bunniessss. Dont let the negativity of this situation get into you. Ignore people who bring negative aura

[hoary frost]

and I totally get where you’re coming from, but I think it’s important to look at the bigger picture. Just because the judge didn’t find enough evidence right now, it doesn’t mean the girls doesn’t have a legit reason to fight for their independence. Legal stuff like this takes time and can be really complicated. They’re fighting for more than just themselves, they’re fighting for their future as artists. I’m not saying anyone should blindly believe everything, but we should stay open-minded and remember that, as fans, we’ve got to stick by them. It’s not about being naive, it’s about supporting them through this and giving them the chance to prove their side

[jolly junco]

Especially this person @subtle matrix

[night niche]

me when i think supporting a greedy corporation and record labels is supposedly a better option than supporting those fighting against it 💀

[jolly junco]

Every few weeks a new person will come out of nowhere and try to divide the fandom against NJZ. Please always ignore them, dont interact

If you trust the girls, then just be patient until the main lawsuit coming

[night niche]

guys i can’t stress how excited i am not just for complexcon but for their future

[jolly junco]

In the meantime NJZ needs us more than ever during their complexcon stage, we need to hype it up in every platform

Not feeding to the negative that antis are giving

[hoary frost]

constantly saying the situation is bad is being negative. as Tokkis, we shouldn’t be focusing on the negative right now. We just need to support the girls, wish them the best, and believe that in the end, everything will work out. The situation is tough, but our energy should be about backing them up and believing they’ll get through this

[jolly junco]

In case people forget, i will quote this again as a reminder for every bunnies

[hoary frost]

☝🏼

[jolly junco]

“We believe we will win this battle against Hybe and Ador.”

Danielle Marsh

[glossy siren]

The point is that one party has a clear record of proof, the other has a record of mediaplay (debunked each time). That's all you need

[glossy siren]

That's why I stepped back, no energy for that stuff

[jolly junco]

Excellent choice!

[subtle matrix]

You think I have any interest in supporting a mega corporation? lol. If HYBE ended tomorrow and took kpop's predatory and toxic business practices down with them I'd have the most peaceful sleep of the week

[tribal sand]

wait guys do we have any clue if they’re releasing more than just one new song on Sunday orrrr

[jolly junco]

I’ve been here for so long that i get used for people like him. There was worst people than him, but still you know it once you read their words, its all the same

Once again i remind you people, every few weeks a person like him will come in here and say the same thing again. Just ignore and if its get into you just block them so you wont be able to read their message

[hoary frost]

idk

[tribal sand]

Ty :)

[hoary frost]

lol sorry

[jolly junco]

Like NJZ said before

“If you smile, luck will come”

Be positive!

[tribal sand]

So when will we know? Just out of curiosity?

[glossy siren]

Their clap back is always" but I stated facts" and...nope, fact checking + context is such a lost art...

[night niche]

who knows! they may surprise us, whatever they do i’ll be happy with

[jolly junco]

Tomorrow

[tribal sand]

OH DANG RLLY?

[hoary frost]

yep

[glossy siren]

Did they reveal the time?

[jolly junco]

NJZ is the headliner, so i guess they will perform last

[copper current]

~t https://youtu.be/imtHrDByg6g?si=oP37IdHaNtSPW9CG

[hoary frost]

I'm finally going to see hyein, i miss her

[tribal sand]

you’re going?

[jolly junco]

I’m twice her age but even i admired her courage. I would have jumped out of the building if i was her

[wooden helm]

달리기

[tribal sand]

wait what happened? Guys I’ve been off from this whole drama thing 😭

[glossy siren]

End of the year music awards war flashbacks 💀

[hoary frost]

No, but I wished yes 😓

[wooden helm]

도미고기

[hoary frost]

LMAO 😭

[hoary frost]

Do you really not know anything about what happened?

[tribal sand]

like I know the legal stuff but what happened with Hyein? Like her injury that happened a while ago?

[glossy siren]

?????

I'm done for today

[wooden helm]

갓옥댁든시드뷁

[hoary frost]

like, when I say I miss her it's because she wasn't showing up much on their IG account, you know?

[wooden helm]

붸렉뿡거죳챠밟칫

[tribal sand]

OHHH..😭 wait when did they get a new insta

[jolly junco]

https://tenor.com/view/danielle-newjeans-danielle-newjeans-danielle-blessing-newjeans-danielle-gif-6508898223418531284

[hoary frost]

BRO 😭

[tribal sand]

bro I really do live under a rock don’t I..😭🙏
I don’t have insta either so..

[jolly junco]

#announcements

[hoary frost]

Nahhhh, it's okay

[tribal sand]

OMG I DO LIVE UNDER A ROCK

[jolly junco]

Go check announcement, scroll up a bit

[wooden helm]

붧겟학및시늡잉곱딧옹 읻긪깃븨심솟짖버옷파닥숑칫빵..!!

[hoary frost]

lmao 😭

[jolly junco]

이 디스코드 서버는 한국인 버니즈(바니즈)를 위한 서버입니다

https://discord.gg/newjeans-bunnies

[wooden helm]

솟진상쳥밥랇기칫 뇽칳탉앎?

[jolly junco]

*tr 솟진상쳥밥랇기칫 뇽칳탉앎?

[harsh dove]

ko->en

Do you know the Sotjinsangcheopbapbitgichit Nyoncheopdak?

[red thorn]

Lmao

[tribal sand]

what..

[hoary frost]

[jolly junco]

https://tenor.com/view/danielle-newjeans-danielle-newjeans-danielle-blessing-newjeans-danielle-gif-6508898223418531284

[glossy siren]

I found these gems again

My new "debate on x" kit jk

[night niche]

ahh i love this gif

[fierce prairie]

this situation is such a bad timing to buy nwjns merch huhu

[cinder narwhal]

can someone dm me what happened the past 12h about ||taly||? just ootl and weird seeing tweets but not knowing anything

[timber shell]

bit late but yet it literally means nothing, as gibberish

[hot girder]

how do you find this gif

[jolly junco]

Type “danielle” then scroll down a bit

[copper current]

For any Bunnies who posted NJZ music such as Ditto, etc. Hybe blocked the music worldwide on YouTube "Copyright-protected content has been detected in your Short "xxx". This content is currently not allowed in Shorts that are 60 seconds or longer. Your Short is longer than that, so it has been blocked. To make your Short playable again, you can either resolve the claim or reupload a version without the copyright-protected content". They are now taking action to prevent NJZ music to be spread

[glossy siren]

https://tenor.com/view/newjeans-danielle-kpop-danielle-marsh-new-jeans-gif-2364635918681562511

Another classic

[night niche]

thanks for sharing!

[glossy siren]

Me quietly converting this channel in a danielle appreciation space...

[hot girder]

thank you!

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/Tysonekoo/status/1903188012688625990

[narrow seal]

250321 Tysoneko #NJZ (@​Tysonekoo) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/Tysonekoo/status/1903188012688625990
casual fans on instagram still know what’s right

[torpid coral]

Is NJZ coming back or no?

[old ingot]

Question, the long text story, (Im assuning is Hannis) what did she mean in it if anyone knows? Are they going back to hybe and ador? And will they still perform at Complex Con?

[runic granite]

No, they are NewJeans until the contract validity is disputed in the April 3rd trial

[thick glade]

They will perform at complex

[cinder narwhal]

oh I just saw (limited) korean reaction to their time interview rip

[old ingot]

As 'NewJeans' then im assuming? Meaning the new song wont come out

[waxen musk]

They will be performing tomorrow at ComplexCon, as confirmed in their Instagram account NJZ_PR. They could go back to ADOR but the girls have shown no intention of doing so. Sorry I need to reread Hanni's text from yesterday to answer that question.

[frozen granite]

Positive or negative reactions?

[waxen musk]

I'm still expecting them to perform as NJZ and the new song.

[frozen granite]

Is the South Korean public turning against njz?

[frozen granite]

Why wouldn’t they? They said they’d perform

[waxen musk]

Anyway I'd like to help people learn what's going on but it is a bit of a waste of time for me. Not sure what to do about that.

[hot girder]

Because of the injuction resolution

[old ingot]

Hm okay, just a lot of things thats hard to get around since injunction means they cant in theory perform as 'NJZ' before the dispute on april 3rd unless they ofc agreed to go either as 'New Jeans' or the court ruled for it to first go in effect after complex con. Atleast thats how I would think it works

[frozen granite]

Yeah, but they njz_pr said they’d still perform

[waxen musk]

It's all stuff that's been said before and repeated over and over in this thread. I suggest you backread if you really care, even though that's not ideal.

Anyway I'm gonna focus on positivity in the main chat for the upcoming day.

https://tenor.com/view/raingump-kto-kounotori-kounotoritoken-lbow-gif-26528408

[cinder narwhal]

from pannchoa yes

they probably only translated the negative comments who knows, but the turnaround is crazy

[glossy siren]

Don't give lots of credit to a korean article that selected 10 comments...

[frozen granite]

Yeah I was thinking that pannchoa is weird at times

[glossy siren]

I read it now, I meant this

[cinder narwhal]

but this is common from what I've seen-- as soon as the court ruling comes out everyone suddenly goes in support of that

[glossy siren]

Njz appealed so let's see. Time will tell. For now we can only wait and enjoy the content that they will be able to put out

[frozen granite]

Stupid judge

[cinder narwhal]

love the tokki civil war/persecution happening in the background

[frozen granite]

They are annoying ^

[cinder narwhal]

njz and bnz are both fucked, we deserve each other

[red thorn]

Theqoo, forum that majorly pro njz now dominated by comments with mockery sentiment towards them
Can't really say people turned, bc it could be probably people that quietly expected this outcome more spoken

[cinder narwhal]

ah yeah true they came out of the woodwork

[glossy siren]

There is gonna be a ton of mediaplay. At this point, seriously, people should take a step back, support the girls, share positivity and wait.

Now the games are all in the hands of the front liners

[hushed violet]

Could it be possible the comments are planted to make it seem like the public has changed views?

[glossy siren]

Everything is possible

[dark glade]

More info has just come out, I really hoped the girls would of won the court case but it does not seem that way at all 😦

https://x.com/globalmyeon/status/1903273461436310003?s=46

GLOBALMYEON (@globalmyeon) on X

Ahead of the contract validity trial, the Seoul Central District Court granted ADOR’s injuction against #NJZ/#NewJeans.

The members are now required to halt all independent activities (including signing advertising contracts and pursing music activities).

X · Mar 22, 2025, 2:32 AM

[glossy siren]

It's the first step of a long journey even tho some people are treating such beginning like an ending

[dark glade]

I just don’t understand anymore maybe they would be better leaving Korea and going western ?

[hushed violet]

Yes, this seems like the beginning of something way much bigger. Everyone knows sticking up against a large megacorp was going to be difficult, and there will be losses. But it will never be wrong to support the girls & be there with them to the end because we all know they will win the war in the end!

[dark glade]

The fact is the court has already ruled so what else can be done, we can get petitions going but that won’t make a difference coming from western as they only listen to people in Korea

[glossy siren]

They will do the best they can and take thoughtful decision, they have lawyers, professionals, their parents...

[hot girder]

to me, yeah. but it's not as simple as that, since three members are korean and two are minors going to school. it's not as simple as just leaving to pursue a career somewhere else. they have lives in Korea too

[night niche]

what exactly are u confused abt

[dark glade]

I understand that too, but tbh I can’t see it getting any easier for them in Korea

[dark glade]

All activities have been halted , so does anyone even know what the next steps are

[glossy siren]

I don't see the point of wondering like this. Time will tell, they are the ones making decisions. We can only wait for those to unfold

[dawn sun]

complexcon hk 2025

[dark glade]

It’ll be cancelled NJZ performing

[night niche]

njz appealed the ruling, so they will still be performing in hong kong, and they can still perform as a group as NJZ everywhere else outside of korea

[glossy siren]

No

[dawn sun]

its not!

[dark glade]

The court have said all activities need to be halted they granted hybe. That’s what just come out

[night niche]

it’s not canceled at all, i recommend you check @njz_pr on instagram to stay up to date on their current situation

[glossy siren]

Please guys, fact check before speaking...misinfo get spread like this

[night niche]

exactly!

[glossy siren]

The problem with this situation is how people oversimplify complex burocratic procedures...

[dark glade]

I’m going by the press and they have put out what the court have said, the court told them to halt activities which is facts. So that’s why I was upset they might not be performing anymore. I did check the info I have a lot of media outlets are saying the same. When a court asks to halt activities it usually means everything

[glossy siren]

Korean media outlets are quite one sided...

[hushed violet]

🙂‍↕️

[night niche]

many press sources are influenced by hybe as it is a big corporation both in and outside of korea, this is why media literacy and identifying bias is important. not just for njz situation, but for life in general

[hot girder]

well they're still attending complexcon so idk what are you waffling about

(replying to cami's latest message)

[dark glade]

I’m not trying to upset anyone I’m just stating what the court ruled, idk how people can say that’s misinformation as it’s a court ruling

[red thorn]

We need pin for comprehensive quotes from court ruling, njz_pr statement, and ador statement

[glossy siren]

Ok, so you have nothing to look for on the 23rd...

[night niche]

nobody’s upset at you, we were just pointing out the media has bias and please check your sources, check njz_pr like i said

[rain spade]

Then let's see if they will be performing tmr then holy fuck

[glossy siren]

Hanni's hand is at the same level of the dots, so cute ahah

[rain spade]

https://tenor.com/view/baby-girl-middle-finger-mood-screw-you-leave-me-alone-gif-10174031

[dark glade]

Okays, I read it hopefully they do perform, I just hope it does not make the situation any worse

[night niche]

they will be!

[rain spade]

Literally ador also said they will sent staff to Hong Kong

[rain spade]

I know, I'm replying to that one dumbass

[glossy siren]

I think they do know what is best for themselves more than any of us.

[pallid patrol]

Yo

[night niche]

ah okay

[split bramble]

i kind of dont want them to perform now, ador will try to claim the new songs as theirs, the leeches will steal their new direction for their failing groups

[glossy siren]

When I read that statement...🔥

[night niche]

i really worry about people’s media literacy in the year 2025, esp with the state of the world rn

[glossy siren]

The state of the world right now is exactly caused by people's media literacy 💀

[night niche]

they’ve been working hard to build up to their performance, so im not sure if this is the best attitude to have. instead of wondering about the what ifs of the aftermath, let’s focus on what the girls can give us now

[torpid coral]

Who’s bnz?

[night niche]

😭 true that

[dark glade]

It looks like they might be performing under name “New Jeans” Ador have requested this from complex ?

So I think they will still perform though which is a good sign !

[glossy siren]

...do people have this little faith in the girls judgement? Is it so hard to think that thet are moving in their best insterest?

[torpid coral]

Wowwwww you guys gonna really ignore me?

[night niche]

they’re performing as NJZ, like i’ve said before the courts in korea have no jurisdiction under other countries in the world

[night niche]

sorry man 😭 are you asking what it means? it’s the fandom name

[glossy siren]

Ador's replacement for njz. Bnz will debut under pledis

[dark glade]

Okays well not arguing I hope all goes well tomorrow I’ll be watching !! I’m excited to see the girls back on stage

[glossy siren]

I'm tired. I chose chaos

[warm void]

bunnies haha

[waxen musk]

I feel like this article is a good summary for those who keep coming in and asking what is happening: https://x.com/juantokki/status/1903278440884867342

1tokki (@juantokki) on X

[What IS] NewJeans (NJZ): “It Feels Like Korea Wants to Turn Us Into Revolutionaries” – First Reactions After Court Ruling
https://t.co/H6DnNIsQws
Reporter Lee Ju-in

The members of NewJeans (NJZ) have spoken out about the court's decision to grant ADOR’s injunction request.

On

X · Mar 22, 2025, 2:51 AM

[frozen granite]

Why am I scared of this whole Njz than the whole trump propaganda going on in my country

[waxen musk]

lol wot

[surreal raft]

omg so real

[surreal raft]

BYEE

[dark glade]

Okay so Ador staff are going to be at Complex then ?

For now, NJZ is set to perform at the ComplexCon concert in Hong Kong on March 23 as scheduled. ADOR also confirmed its support for the event, stating, “We will ensure that this weekend’s ComplexCon performance proceeds under the name of ADOR’s NewJeans and will provide full on-site support.”

[waxen musk]

Yes that's exactly what that says.

[surreal raft]

uh oh

[rain spade]

they will be at my house YEP

[dark glade]

Okays that tweet explained everything thanks

[frozen granite]

Hold them hostage !!!

[waxen musk]

Yeah please spread it if more people ask again. It really just sums up the main points people keep asking about.

[night niche]

im equally scared about both

[waxen musk]

People will still have a lot of questions, but I don't think any of us can answer those.

[frozen granite]

F TRUMP & F HYBE

They are both the same to me

[night niche]

amen!

[rain spade]

why is that orange man brought up here

[glossy siren]

They are under your bed now...they are behind every door of every dark room...

[night niche]

ador my favorite sleep paralysis demon

[dark glade]

Can you stop, that does not make sense you told me wrong info. Ador staff are going to be at complex supporting them they have stated and they also stated the name will be “New Jeans” someone has also just linked a tweet explaining everything

[night niche]

oh brother

[dark glade]

.

[glossy siren]

Ador have stated that njz are liars, that ex management manipulated them...

Ador can do whatever, why keep updated through their statements?

[dark glade]

Ador staff are still going to be there, that’s my thing so we’ll probably know more tomorrow when it’s time

[glossy siren]

...can't wait for pledis to debut bnz

[night niche]

i feel like they’re willingly being ignorant right now so just ignore

[rain spade]

Juust a joke

[glossy siren]

Remember ADOR actually stands for all doors one room...I told you.

[simple knot]

I saw a lot of people saying that MHJ manipulated the girls and blindsighting them... Please give me some counterarguments cause I dont wanna believe that

[surreal raft]

I lowkey believe it..

I’ve known mhj past for a while I’m trying my best to trust her since she has njz in her hands

[night niche]

the girls believe in mhj, and we believe in the girls, that should be enough. also note a lot of the hate towards mhj comes from misogyny towards her

[night niche]

not the chatgpt 💀

[simple knot]

right, the girls are old enough and their parents are wise enought o know better

[glossy siren]

All her allegations have been debunked, plenty of threads with reliable sources on @thegreatgaram account on x

[glossy siren]

I'm starting to get angry. People will learn the weight of defamation only once they try it on their own skin...

[potent lichen]

If I had to pick between MHJ or BSH/Hybe execs who wanted to banish me, have been accused of SA, and didn’t even want certain members to debut in the first place, I know who I’d side with

[surreal raft]

well damn maybe mhj is a good person..

[tiny peak]

I have no idea if she's a good person, but she's good for NJZ

[glossy siren]

https://youtu.be/kGE8xbYEYdk?si=DuwzR281HOEwCQOh

[surreal raft]

what about the things she said about the girls and other idols pre debut??

[glossy siren]

Welcome to mediaplay

[tiny peak]

source is the that cyber wrecker who is under fire right now for his attacks on Kim Saeron

[night niche]

are you talking about those message screenshots? those were debunked as well

[surreal raft]

can i have the source?? ive been hearing about this for so longg

[glossy siren]

Mhj online character assassination should be studied in universities...

[night niche]

i would but im in no mood to go on twt right now, but rest assured about this situation

[tiny peak]

I would lend 0 credibility to those screenshots, his name is Lee Jin Ho and he even edits and manipulates audio recordings (in the case of Kim Saeron)

[glossy siren]

Follow thegreatgaram on x, that account is very serious about debunking stuff

[surreal raft]

ive been following them for a while some stuff ive seen but not really for the mhj

[glossy siren]

...that account focuses a lot on her what are u talking about

[surreal raft]

aaa okay

[jolly junco]

wow we have a lot new member since yesterday

[copper current]

because this is a safe place to talk

[tiny peak]

HYBE has hit full throttle on their media play and paid comments right now. it's so bad out there

[glossy siren]

https://tenor.com/view/gwenchana-chiikawa-gwenchana-chiitaka-chii-kawa-gwenchana-gif-7789341198120377204

[split shoal]

njz posted on ig, but i dont understand what they’re saying

[split shoal]

wait, it has??

[short laurel]

I read so much bs talked in here n on twter. Idk if i should restart the topics but dam ppl blow up so.much drama over nothing, ppl having no idea about mhj, n drama over girls earning (as if their fav oppa not earning more n their fav bsh not earning 100 times more)

[hollow shore]

I noticed Hybe bots have totally taken over pannchoa comments.

[tiny peak]

it's happening in korean forums too

[short laurel]

I'll just day this once: sm used mhj as scapegoat for alot of shit, things that everyone in industry does, everything blamed on this 1 lady. That's why everyone in kpop hates her. But if u ask ppl who actually worked with her, aside from hybe, there's NO one in industry who has said anything negative about her. That says alot more than mere rumours by drama kids of the internet.

U guys decide who to believe. Incels of the internet or ppl who worked with her for the past 20 years.

[copper current]

I am sorry for my confusion, is April 3 the final date for contract validation? Can we have a schedule for court to check?

[glossy siren]

April 3rd is the FIRST date and the procedure may last 1 year. No schedule.

[copper current]

wow

[stiff prairie]

how we holding up folks

[leaden thistle]

so apr 3 is the last and main confirmation where njz will be successfully redebut? altho the court had said that njz are prohibited from having any activities if without ador's involvement

[stiff prairie]

No just the first hearing of main lawsuit. Might take more than a year to get results on that

[leaden thistle]

ok to be more understandable, cuz i still dont understand that the results outcome, but all i see every where is saying njz lost or njz is losing from the media??

[twin cypress]

Njz/bana/250 should just leak newjeans album 1 on “accident” out of spite tbh 😂. Say the album got leaked because a hard drive got stolen or something

That way if they really are silenced by hybe throughout the trial they could still give fans some content

[stiff prairie]

no they lost the injunction. now what was the injunction about? first ador asked that they can't collab w brands outside of ador but then they included other idol activities too. what it means for the future? njz will have to appeal/object to the injunction decision in following weeks that will take shorter than the main lawsuit results. outcome we don't know yet. and complexcon is still on either as njz or newjeans we're not sure till it's d day

[upbeat stream]

yeah just as stuff gets "leaked" on accident from hybe and its subsidiaries

[stiff prairie]

yeah but music production is valuable to them asw. they won't just leak it to please the fans and get a potential lawsuit on them. they won't have the gov backing to save themselves

[leaden thistle]

currently this is all? any more news, or updates?

[twin cypress]

If done right with no texts to prove they planned it leaking or ip addresses where the upload happened. They can’t get sued for it leaking

They could just toss it up to a hard drive getting lost or stolen and you can’t prove otherwise

[stiff prairie]

i've been a little detached. but njz-pr, account run by their parents said they'll gather more evidences. ador said they'll "help newjeans on complexcon activities and wants conversation with the members" etc. the members did an interview with time you might wanna check out. i think that's all

[honest sky]

But ontop of these things getting leaked, Ador/Hybe didnt do anything about it until after NJZ has left

[stiff prairie]

https://youtu.be/8Rq4c4IEurE

[short laurel]

ador even called it MHJ's personal matter when MHJ went after dispatch for leaking stuff. now they taking credit for it.

[honest sky]

Thats what Im saying, they only did it to save face and to avoid NJZ saying they didnt do nytjing to protect them

[short laurel]

MHJ went after dispatch for leaking it. hybe puppets called at mhj for using ador for her "personal matter" when it's about NJ. now ador saying they went after dispatch when they never did. it was only MHJ who did as far as we know publicly.
ador ppt in court says they went after dispatch but they didn't prove any email proof. meanwhile we have email proof of mhj taking action against dispatch.
so i m sure they are just taking credit for mhj work here and didn't really did anything about dispatch themselves.

i m so confident in this cus of constant lie ador presented. i m not trusting there ppt at all

[honest sky]

They released a twitter statement saying they will take action against defamation against NJZ and all, only after they have left 😹

[short laurel]

defamation has only increased since.

[honest sky]

Right? But since Fraudor can claim they have taken action against these defamations, NJZ cant say they didnt…

[stiff prairie]

have u guys been on socials? how is twitter and tiktok doing? usable yet?

[upbeat stream]

Their statements got a fair bit of likes on popbase and aboutmusic, more than I expected

[short laurel]

after they left means it's they took action too late. from girls prospective it doesn't matter at all if they did take action or not cuz girls no longer consider themselves part of ador. and ador has yet to provide email proof.

ador could've saved themselves from all this if they took action when girls gave them 14 days period.

[upbeat stream]

But there's a lot of hate too, you just gotta have thick skin to endure it

[short laurel]

i just not opening twter

[stiff prairie]

thanks for heads up. i'll try to stay off for a couple more days then. gonna watch a tv show or smth

[jolly junco]

Dont even think about it cake better stay safe for now

[hollow sorrel]

is it just me, but I haven’t seen anything about the memorial ribbons or the louis vuitton brand deal from the court’s side???

[leaden thistle]

Also my twitter wont loading, i tho is my internet for a sec, gg...nvm it finally loaded

[jolly junco]

Judge be like “not enough evidence, dismissed!”

[hollow sorrel]

but didn’t the judge admit during mhj’s first injunction that lv brand deal was not properly handled and HYBE even had to pay ADOR staff after or something

ugh this injunction was so shady

[stiff prairie]

the night is the darkest just before dawn breaks

let's just hope it doesn't get darker

[upbeat stream]

Ok, even korean twitter is a warzone. But what's fascinating is that even though the hate comments are far more numerous, they can't get more than 1-2k likes, but positive tweets still reach over 10k

[stiff prairie]

oh yeah so koreans switched up or smth? what about that

[upbeat stream]

A negative court ruling was always going to do that

But it's not a complete switchup, they can't get more than 2k likes, and every negative tweet has a lot of quotes while positive tweets don't

[ashen charm]

njz gunna break the sound cloud record

[stiff prairie]

alright. and i'm pretty sure tag pr has a big hand on those too

[hollow sorrel]

also let’s not forget that most people are here for the music. the general public will still love NJZ after their ComplexCon performance and no amount of twitter/tiktok/weibo hate comments will change that

[short laurel]

that's the issue i have with knetz. they think court ruling = final judgement. and twist their narrative instantly. if njz lose final lawsuit. they'll label njz as wrong without studying the case properly. everything is black and white in their world.

[stiff prairie]

record for streaming the new song as converted to mp3 from a crappy fancam vid on my music player is gonna go thru the roof

[short laurel]

and then there's hybe who mediaplay even small victory and major lose in court as complete win for hybe. just like in mhj 1st injuction. they were so fixated on "betrayal" even though they lost that

[ashen charm]

once the song is uploaded fraudador is justr gunna upload it to spotify

[tawdry vessel]

there will be no music tho

[stiff prairie]

helll nawh

[stiff prairie]

oh yeah. we're not even sure they're going to drop the new music or not

[tawdry vessel]

prob not cause of the result

[ashen charm]

It'll be ripped from the live preformance

[hollow sorrel]

my question is: NJZ raised 11 concerns for breach of trust, and the court basically said “none of them were strong enough” or whatever, but if they only let 1 single concern pass wouldn’t it mean their contract was lawfully terminated???

[short laurel]

exactly

[hollow sorrel]

ugh so the legal background for this injunction was soo unfair to begin with, the timing and everything it’s honestly annoying.

let’s hope Sejong goes all out in the main trial

[stiff prairie]

we're not sure this judge would see 1 breach as sufficient break of trust

since he alr used that line in his ruling

[frozen granite]

How’s everyone feeling? I’ll start, I’m feeling hopeless

[stiff prairie]

honestly tho do you guys feel that they held back? like it has both positive and negatives. negatives as in why would u do that when this injuction is almost as important as main lawsuit. and positive is if they did infact hold back we can expect different outcome for later rulings

[ashen charm]

they preform in 24 hrs im hyped plus this injuction isnt the main one so im not that worried

[hollow sorrel]

I really don’t know.. cause like why would they hold back on such an important injunction, but at the same time I do think they had limited time to prepare and ADOR was shady the way they changed the purpose of the injunction

[frozen granite]

I just hate that they are getting hate & being painted as villains now …

[frozen granite]

Yeah we’re not sure if it’ll be the new song so I’m just sort of numb ig

[ashen charm]

they can still preform it just cant release it unless adork wants to..

upload it

[stiff prairie]

inb4 ador posts a fancam of it and makes that the official video

[honest sky]

I’m kinda feeling hopeless about the main lawsuit too, if there is corruption during injunction I can imagine there will be too during the main lawsuit

[neon igloo]

I believe we shouldn’t rush things or jump to conclusions. We need to wait for the main trial and its outcome. It’s possible the girls will be able to convince a few more witnesses to testify in court against HYBE.
We mustn’t forget the rigid hierarchy and system in Korea, which can heavily influence someone if they choose to go against powerful corporations

[stable escarp]

pls let NJZ create history

[stiff prairie]

god i don't ask u for many things just this time...

[stable escarp]

god, all gods out there, i ask you for many things in life which yall so heartedly ignore, so at least grant me this one.

-prayjeans

[tall dew]

[grizzled summit]

im scared now

[frozen granite]

We all are agh

[grizzled summit]

why cant the girls give 100% evidence they shouldnt be backing up

[frozen granite]

Idk tbh :/ this is all so weird

[jolly junco]

so what exactly are you asking? you need to be clear so God dont get mixed out with the antis wish

[stiff prairie]

I just want the girls to be happy in the end. Preferably it comes sooner rather than later.

[jolly junco]

ok God do you hear that? please make it come true

they gonna meet bunnies tomorrow at complexcon, so obviously they will be happy (wow that so soon)

does that count?

[stiff prairie]

No cause that's not the end!! It has to be happily ever after type shit

[jolly junco]

God i know we are so inconsistent, but what we actually wish for is for the girls to be happily ever after forever and ever. Lets start from tomorrow, not later

[stiff prairie]

even better if from today! imagine they magically get a new whistleblower or sb leaks some hybe chats or smth

[wary creek]

yeah honestly that's what i think they will need

none of that ignoring hanni type of stuff

need evidence of sabotage

[hoary frost]

did njz lose the court case?? and if they did are we still getting the new song tmr?

[hollow sorrel]

the injunction was granted, performance is still on, the song is probably not coming out for a while

~t https://x.com/a_planb/status/1903357662538199210

[narrow seal]

250322 A (@​a_planb) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/a_planb/status/1903357662538199210
뉴진스와 어도어의 법원 결정문에 실명이 포함된 문서가 유출되었다면, 이는 소송 당사자나 그와 관련된 관계자가 유출했을 가능성이 높다. 일반적으로 법원이 외부로 문서를 제공할 때는 개인정보 보호를 위해 실명을 비식별화하거나 익명 처리한다.

법원은 판결문이나 결정문을 공개할 때

[hollow sorrel]

chatgpt translation:
If a court decision document containing real names from the case between NewJeans and ADOR has been leaked, it is highly likely that one of the litigants or a related party was responsible for the leak. Generally, when the court provides documents externally, it anonymizes or redacts personal information to protect privacy.

When disclosing judgments or decisions, the court follows the principle of replacing real names with anonymized information to protect personal data. This measure is taken to guarantee the right to privacy and personal information self-determination as stipulated in Article 17 of the Constitution.

[orchid field]

@stiff prairie

[stiff prairie]

lessgoo. throw rocks at it next time

esp if u see a fatty there

[rose turret]

[orchid field]

There is a discrete basement exit for all the cars parked underground

[stiff prairie]

things i wanna say might require a telegram chat ngl

[orchid field]

Real

[short laurel]

what was leaked ?

[hoary frost]

oh thx

[hollow sorrel]

so the post is saying how a lot of media posted the court document and it says "ADOR" and "Kim Minji" but its always anonymized

so HYBE probably leaked the documents to the media???

[short laurel]

oh. why is the always the articles that harm nj that leak everytime.

the only hybe harming leak we've got is what national assembly shared. idk why we even call them leaks as they are from proper investigation n released by NA.

[hoary frost]

but i still dont get the whole cctv footage thing people are saying hybe showed the wrong date or ‘deleted’ the footage of the date hanni talked about in court?

[short laurel]

ador already said in NA november last year that the cctv footage of the event was deleted.

for it so sudenly come was sus so people checked and turns out the event didn't match what hanni described. also the fits girls were wearing are from different day we know from college festivals.

[hollow sorrel]

yeah, I hope the court realises that HYBE literally leaked their documents before they publicly released the verdict (in which they will use letters to protect the information of the related parties)

[wise wagon]

it feels like everyone forgot about the hybe internal documents, its actually crazy

everything was laid out there for the media and people didnt bat as much of an eye at it as they did for nj articles

[hollow sorrel]

not related to NJZ so I might delete but did yall see one of the BTS members just had his HYBE stocks stolen?!?!?!?!? He's been rumored to have internal conflict with HYBE so I wouldn't be surprised if they were somehow behind it.

[short laurel]

never heard about it. but that fandom will point blame at the member saying he harming other 6. in reality the fans they only care about hybe. seen it too many times at this point

[radiant scaffold]

Word is it was one of his close friends

[vital orbit]

other than that 10 years ago it was viewed as cool to say slurs

SNS weren't woke-ified

[short laurel]

i wish people react same way when people slur at other races. but nope, others not matters at all apparently.

[vital orbit]

i just hate the fact that people fail to realise that 2015 and 2025 are day and night difference in terms of lenience on these things

every single white boy rant youtuber would throw an n word every few mins in one video - even RM once said racist things

i dont think they should be catching strays for stuff like that — it doesnt take 2 braincells to realise that we live in arguably different times

[modern fog]

i knew it! it was yo fault!!!!

[stiff prairie]

Why are u pulling up old receipts man 😭

[vital orbit]

dude just be like #StanADR #CancelNJZ #NewJeans_is_Nowhere

[modern fog]

backreadjng

[short laurel]

||i m saying that people only react when it's a slur on blacks but everyone joins the insult when it's on indians or asians|| it's happening alot on social media and increasing day by day thx to elon

[vital orbit]

immediate NJZ comeback

[stiff prairie]

I can't even bring myself to say those

[vital orbit]

yes yes igwym im kinda digressing / branching from your point

[vital orbit]

#LicoriceWater&Pasta?

[stiff prairie]

[vital orbit]

woa ETA is playing

[stiff prairie]

Where

[vital orbit]

my spotify queue bro

[subtle matrix]

10 years ago she was 20, not 11 (she's 30 now)

[jolly junco]

i guess this is how misinformation spread

1 person said she was 11, the other said she was 18, now this half antis said she was 20

ok i gotchu

[subtle matrix]

She turned 21 in 2016

[short laurel]

29. she was 18 11 years ago when it happened. is what i heard.

[subtle matrix]

I am not sure when it happened, but she's 29 or 30 now so she was 18-20 when it happened

[short laurel]

regardless. taly's matter has no relation to njz. taly and the other person who crying about it. both are using njz for their own drama. and this all has nothing to do njz.
only involvement of njz in it is girls snapped a pic with a fan. that amounts to nothing.

as i c it that user screaming about it on twt gave it alot more attention than it needed.

[flint stone]

Stop talking about taly in here, pls

[lilac orchid]

how did they lose the lawsuit

[short laurel]

it's just injunction. they are objecting the ruling and main lawsuit yet to start.

[copper jetty]

Main lawsuit hasn't even started and bro asking how'd they lose the lawsuit. 🫠

[hot girder]

they might not be in the know, let's be kind

they lost the injuction (made before the main, actual lawsuit which is happening on April 3rd), this injuction was made to either make the contract valid until we get the results of April 3rd, or to let NJZ do their thing until the main lawsuit. Of course, the later did not happen

[copper jetty]

My bad then... I'm still pissed since yesterday. Sorry.

[copper current]

https://x.com/bunntohru/status/1903363888084586789

lou! (@bunntohru) on X

yall watch here instead they’re using the name njz

https://t.co/6vNQWGrxET

X · Mar 22, 2025, 8:31 AM

[waxen musk]

I'm kind of glad there's not been any more bullshit since yesterday.

[honest sky]

No there is

[waxen musk]

Is there?

[honest sky]

But Ill let u be happy

[waxen musk]

You might as well let me know. I'm usually up to date on everything.

I think all the bullshit from today is just a continuation of what happened yesterday.

[honest sky]

Yeah its definitely a continuation

[waxen musk]

There's no new bullshit today, is what I meant.

[waxen musk]

I thought K-pop idols' agencies were the ones to give out flight information details to the press. A lot of times that gets leaked into the public. But I wonder how people found out when to expect them at the airport today and why they weren't told they'd be departing privately.

[flint stone]

probably because of odor

[upbeat stream]

Well the girls do have a pr firm remember

That's how they informed the media about their presscon

[waxen musk]

Why didn't they tell the press they'd be departing privately?

I think it's a good thing by the way. Am I'm not saying NJZ's PR told the press or didn't tell the press about the departure in general.

I'm just wondering out loud.

[upbeat stream]

I'm disappointed in newsen, they used to be neutral but even they taking ador's side these days. Their livestream mentioned only Newjeans, while Star news had both names

They also engaged in negative speculations

[storm warren]

newsen always gets exclusive articles from hybe, even prior april 2024 they had close relationship and were first to publish hybe news

osen & newsen always get hybe exclusives and news

[storm warren]

flight info was circulating on twitter. as tickets are bought via members names, it gets leaked easily

usually someone inside airport sells this info

illegal but normalized

[polar owl]

I've noticed a lot of self-doubt in the community, but I think there are some straightforward facts that work in NewJeans' favor:

1. The corporate conflict between the original ADOR leadership and HYBE significantly impacted NJ's momentum. At the peak of their popularity, they missed out on major opportunities — tours, performances, and even a delayed album release.

2. The members had a close bond with the original ADOR team, which is natural given how involved that team was in building the NewJeans brand from the ground up. The girls were respected and had a meaningful voice in the group’s creative direction.

3. The sudden overhaul at ADOR, which saw the original creative team leave, happened without involving or informing the members. They weren’t treated as key stakeholders but rather as assets expected to comply without input on their own future.

4. The new ADOR leadership failed to engage the members or create a supportive environment. Instead, they allowed a culture where the girls were reportedly sidelined and mistreated by others within the company.

5. The members' confidence was deeply shaken by HYBE’s disregard for the impact of dismantling a successful team. Add to that a vague 1.5-year timeline for a new creative setup and past instances of HYBE seemingly undermining NJ — it all led to a complete erosion of trust.

6. HYBE and both the former and current ADOR management have contributed to a situation where the members now feel unsure about their future, no matter what promises are made. Being treated like outsiders in their own company has taken a psychological toll, making it hard for them to perform at their best. Given all this, the girls have chosen to part ways with ADOR.

[flint torrent]

why cant some ppl understand this 😭

my friend only has access to youtube and youtube is feeding her misinfo 😭

[atomic kernel]

Hey guys whats going on w talytokki?

[ashen charm]

long story

[night niche]

this is so real

[atomic kernel]

hm do you know atleast a summary of what happened? I would like to know since what she posted on her tiktok page is a bit confusing

[stiff prairie]

she's a fan and prolly the only one bunnies know by face but antis found out her saying the n word from 10 yrs ago. so the fandom is divided whether to like her or not. and she went to kr and met with hanni and dani last year. but her cloud got hacked and that photo was leaked. then recently after her past reveal, antis are trying to tie her with njz more than they should so njz get some hate alongside her.
the gist of it

[cinder narwhal]

why how were the chat with nj released

[stiff prairie]

wdym? i mean i don't understand sorry

[cinder narwhal]

who released her chat with niniz and why

[ashen charm]

she leaked them herself

[hushed whale]

pretty sure she did not get hacked, she was just sending those screenshots to people to brag or something, and then someone leaked them

[cinder narwhal]

oh what was the context of her post? bragging?

[stiff prairie]

woah i didn't even know about the chat with niniz just the pic 😭

[night niche]

she sent the ss to people she trusted then they leaked them, to cause problems within the community. just look at the timing in which this situation happened

[short laurel]

haters are just jealous fans

[ashen charm]

yeah that a troll didnt believe her so she sent proof that she met them

[split bramble]

she sounds like a sasaeng

[night niche]

but guys we should avoid the topic of taly in this chat

[tired ingot]

can u dm me her chat with members

[cinder narwhal]

ngl that one account dittoshooter is always present when a tokki gets outed. very sus

[split bramble]

for me, yes

[short laurel]

yes. this has nothing to do with njz or bunnies. just fans having drama.

[tired ingot]

alright bunnies, stop

[cinder narwhal]

if only someone was present to moderate... what do you call those again

[night niche]

mods

[cinder narwhal]

thanks

[stiff prairie]

[ashen charm]

only one to blame is her honestly

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/catzkang/status/1903415464182812761

[narrow seal]

250322 반희수🫧 (@​catzkang) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/catzkang/status/1903415464182812761
The members are facing some tough stuff too. But when I think of them walking around the city to relax & they suddenly seeing those NJZ ads from bunnies popping up all over the city, I’m pretty sure that’s one thing keeping them strong 🥹🤍

[jolly junco]

Seems like this injuction are useless they are still using NJZ social media for update

Just like how MHJ won her 1st injuction

[hushed whale]

kinda ramdom tho posted at 9:08pm

[short laurel]

What we have to c is what they use in complexcon tomorrow

[jolly junco]

I’m pretty sure they will still use NJZ

[short laurel]

Complexcon staff: ador contacted us too late. We didn't have time to change so we let it be njz.*

[cinder narwhal]

hong Kong time now 8:08

[hushed whale]

oh wow

[hot girder]

i'm glad they avoided the korean media. those roaches deserve it

people were being vile in the live comments too. no one's getting their piece of cake now

[short laurel]

Idols should always go private seriously. I hate how korea not let celebrities use vip entry or exit

[hot girder]

https://x.com/newjeans_loop/status/1903418953474712018?t=2hteLq6yA6QfEHkzz_AtOg&s=19

NJZ Loops 🧸🦦🐶🐱🐹 (@newjeans_loop) on X

NJZ PIT STOP D-1

X · Mar 22, 2025, 12:10 PM

[jolly junco]

I dont think its the airtport wont let them, but the agency wont allow it. They rake money from sponsorship and need to show it off at the airport

[short laurel]

They actually wanted to do this. Public backlash over preferential treatment made them cancel plans. Companies just used it for more ads then.

[hollow sorrel]

oh wow. I wonder if the injunction allows them to post this or they are not caring about it

[upbeat stream]

There was talk of building a separate gate for celebrities but it was shot down due to backlash

[copper current]

whatever, just follow NJZ and do whatever they do

[rain spade]

Bracelet actually nice though

[hot girder]

I want that bracelet

[short laurel]

Many countries have vip entry n exit for celebrities except korea.

[vital orbit]

chatgpt ahh tokki

[short laurel]

It's in brand with their performance tomorrow.

[hollow sorrel]

ohh okay

[vital orbit]

bc NJZ said theyd continue regardless
technically what theyre doing rn is illegal but we love them for that

[short laurel]

At worse they'll have to pay panelty. They aren't breaking an laws here

N as said be4. Court can't force someone to work where they not want to. That in itself is illegal

[waxen musk]

They're not hurting anyone. That's what I don't understand about all the people hating them. They think of them as horrible people for just wanting what's best for themselves.

[short laurel]

They are hybe paid idiots. Ignore them.

[waxen musk]

Yeah I just think it's silly with the way people hate them. It's the same type of reaction as when people do some actual horrible crime.

[shrewd badger]

Those people like to twist words and spread misinformation trying to portray a bunch of young girls as evil people

[hot girder]

Some are not paid and still cartoonishly evil

[short laurel]

They are bsh stans lol

[waxen musk]

Even if NJZ end up being in the wrong if discovered in the main lawsuit, they're still not evil. (I don't believe this will happen just to be clear.)

[brazen ice]

thats how all kpop stans react to smthn they dont like. its either they dont care or go all out, no in between lmao

[shrewd badger]

All of them regardless of being paid or not are stupid 😭

[flint stone]

not really, they are out of Korea so

[short laurel]

N ppl wonder why so many korean celebrities unalive

[vital orbit]

lets not go there 😭

[hot girder]

nah they're just full of hatred. met a bunch of people like that "I hate bsh but your girls just LOVE their ceo and mother mhj"

[hollow sorrel]

tbh it makes sense why they are still promoting as NJZ

from NJZ's perspective they are OUT of HYBE, contracts are already terminated
even if the injunction ruled that their current management (temporarily) is still ADOR

if they go back to NewJeans it shows uncertainty and submission that accepted they are still NewJeans

so they have to keep pushing as NJZ, high risk, high reward

[short laurel]

Ooh no they don't hate bsh. I've seen how far they go defending hybe even to the point of hating bts

[shrewd badger]

Hopefully this risk works out 🙏

[modern fog]

every word before but is horseshit

[waxen musk]

By the way nothing has actually changed from either ADOR or the girls' perspectives. NJZ still believe the contract is terminated, and it HASN'T BEEN PROVEN YET IN COURT. The injunction didn't change that.

[shrewd badger]

They think hating bsh = hating BTS for some stupid reason

[hollow sorrel]

exactly

[waxen musk]

ADOR is just acting EXACTLY how they have been the whole time. Them going to HK I bet they were going to be doing that anyway.

[craggy skiff]

No. You can not expect too much intelligent from those rat

[short laurel]

I really hope girls reject ador staff there

[vital orbit]

i saw a yt short talking ab how newjeans mocked bts and twjsted jungkooks words and making it look like hes an mhj supporter

not even any images for some of those things yet the comments genuinely believed it???

[hot girder]

🤷‍♀️ a lot of people who stan hybe groups are like that. they hate the girls with their whole being instead of focusing on their faves

[hollow sorrel]

I really hope ComplexCon security won't let them in

[waxen musk]

I mean unless the staff is physical, they can't do much other than talk a bunch of shit or tell them to do something only for them to refuse.

[craggy skiff]

They will and they much. Accept ador staff mean they accept back to ador

[shrewd badger]

I've seen people editing the phoning tweets to make it look like Minji was making fun of suga Dui 😭 and so many people believed it

[hot girder]

If they just so happen to be spotted by tokkis in complexcon I hope they get clowned

[vital orbit]

THEY SAID THIS TOO BUT THEY DIDNT PUT THE SCREENSHOT

[shrewd badger]

Honestly such a dumb group of people 😭 I don't want to be mean but they fall for every single lie

[vital orbit]

what was that one award show where someone peed and took a dump in the arena?

[shrewd badger]

Hanteo

[vital orbit]

recreate that but on the ador staff

[hot girder]

I don't remember the name but definitely the issue LOL

[short laurel]

Hey. Those ppl only doing what they are told to earn a living. Don't hate low level employees for executives bs

[vital orbit]

LMFAOO

[shrewd badger]

Don't worry they already stink of shit

[hollow sorrel]

when ADOR announced they will go to ComplexCon I immediately thought of one thing.
They are obviously there to try and make money out of the girls. So I thought they would try and record the performance somehow and upload it to NewJeans or something, but tbh I don't think that's possible.

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/MinotaurKard/status/1903423658380705979

[narrow seal]

250322 Mino (@​MinotaurKard) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/MinotaurKard/status/1903423658380705979
Attention every BNZ!!!

I have a huge favor to ask to every BNZ in the world.
Please read this and share it with every BNZ you know.

This ComplexCon performance is likely going to be the last NJZ performance for the foreseeable future. We are most likely not going to get

[vital orbit]

LMFAO

[shrewd badger]

Honestly I might download tiktok just to promote them 😭

[hot girder]

I'm still booing anyone from ador idgaf. They are there to be an annoyance to the girls no matter what their background might be

[short laurel]

Attention every BNZ!!!

I have a huge favor to ask to every BNZ in the world.
Please read this and share it with every BNZ you know.

This ComplexCon performance is likely going to be the last NJZ performance for the foreseeable future. We are most likely not going to get official streams, videos, YT/Spotify platforms etc.

They will not be able to promote it which means very little shorts, tiktok interactions, reels etc. That means NJZ is basically risking away what they've worked on just for this one and only performance. This has never happened in the history of KPOP and it never will. We will not be able to financially support it for the time being, there will be no album/mini/single releases anytime soon

Thats where we come in. We are the only ones right now who can market this and share it to the world, which means we need our entire timelines to be filled with only NJZ ComplexCon performance. Its clips, videos, shorts that we get off Tiktok/YT/IG, we need to share it with everyone as much as we possibly can. As soon as the big official FanYouTube channels post it, we need to stream it 24/7.

They don't have an agency, they don't have any PR boards, they don't have any support except for us.

Just for NJZ, lets put our differences aside for the time being and just go crazy for NJZ and NJZ only.

🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰

@NJZ_official
#NJZ
#NJZ_REDEBUT
#NJZ_COMPLEXCON
#COMPLEXCON

[shrewd badger]

Whose to say those employees don't agree with those executives

[waxen musk]

It's only possible if they manage to do it without the ComplexCon staff knowing. But you're not alone in thinking this, I just didn't write it because it seemed impossible.

[short laurel]

How do we know who is bad n who is not. Best revenge here is to shout njz instead of newjeans to support during the performance

[short laurel]

Imagine adir staff trying to film bts n all they get is girls ignoring the camera. Not something ador can post online without risking backlash.

[waxen musk]

Honestly, the girls can ask security to tell them to fuck off.

[rain spade]

Joen wick to the rescue

[waxen musk]

It's up to the venue who they allow or don't allow.

[shrewd badger]

Have they filed for an appeal to the Injunction yet ?

[night niche]

yes! check njz_pr to stay up to date

[waxen musk]

Not yet.

[short laurel]

They are going to object the ruling by next week

[waxen musk]

Yeah they're not NOT going to lol.

[shrewd badger]

How long will the appeal stuff take 😭

[short laurel]

Objection is different from appeal. But expect another 2-3 week

[night niche]

anyone else find it weird that ador is going across country lines to harass njz… i feel like it’ll definitely help njz’s case

[vital orbit]

did anyone confirm this btw

[waxen musk]

ADOR did themselves.

[shrewd badger]

Didn't ador say they'll send staff to Hk

[rain spade]

U know what they say in ther statement?

[vital orbit]

i didnt see mb

[brazen ice]

yeah in the TIME article

[short laurel]

Ador made announcement that they sending their team to complexcon to make girls perform under newjeans

[night niche]

ador plans on sending their staff to hk

[vital orbit]

me when im stubborn

[rain spade]

Ador will fully support the event and make them use the name newjeans

[waxen musk]

So curious to see how they try to force that name change. It seems logistically difficult even if they had the full support of NJZ.

[short laurel]

They said it after they won the injunction.

[vital orbit]

me when i jus want an excuse to go on vacation on a work day

[vital orbit]

especially if they have a backdrop for the performance with NJZ splattered all over it

[night niche]

it’s like ador is trying to start international issues… the injunction only applies to sk and sk only.

[fast snow]

NJZ relocates to Japan and becomes a JPoP group 😭

[vital orbit]

bang si hyuk..
bang..
bull..
pitbull..

MISTA WORLDWIDE

[rain spade]

Ask hk to deport sdor staff back to their country

[fast snow]

Would be hilarious to see but not ideal

[hot girder]

it's a stalker-ish move

[shrewd badger]

Imagine the statement ador would have to make , if Thier staff wasn't allowed in HK 😭

[night niche]

exactly

[rain spade]

They already have staff helping out the girls why would they need sdor staff lmao just get back to hybe

[shrewd badger]

Are you sure 😭

[brazen ice]

they seem like a very stubborn ex lmao

[night niche]

yes, south korea doesn’t have jurisdiction over other countries

[shrewd badger]

That's good , I kept seeing people say otherwise

Would they be able to release music outside of SK ?

[night niche]

it’s like saying a ruling in an american court ruling applies to canada, that’s not how court systems work so it’s strange that people are getting it mixed up

[waxen musk]

Either way, private ComplexCon security can get involved if they need to. If ADOR staff refuse, then the police will get involved to escort them off the premises.

[vital orbit]

https://youtube.com/shorts/15opvSTV_V0?si=JWo15xgI6zNK18nJ IS THIS REAL

[jolly junco]

I really hope complexcon staff will not allow ador staff to get inside the staff area 🤣🤭

[short laurel]

a proper jpop. not jpop idols. and i love them more.

[night niche]

yes jay park slayed with that

[hollow sorrel]

do the ComplexCon headliners perform first or last?

[shrewd badger]

Wouldn't they perform last

[waxen musk]

There's no precedent. They're all headliners. Could be in any order.

Aren't there only 3 headliners on Sunday?

I'm not sure.

[shrewd badger]

Wait cause I'd love for another japenese song like supernatural

[night niche]

yes, because south korean injunctions do not apply internationally

[hollow sorrel]

Metro Boomin, Zico and NJZ are the only headliners

[shrewd badger]

That's good 😭 they're extremely popular outside of Korea so it's not that detrimental

[short laurel]

i just love them more if they get out from idol industry and work as pop stars. 😄

[waxen musk]

Yeah I was trying to find that. Thanks. So NJZ is the only headliner for Sunday. Got it.

Can we find out when the headliners for Friday and Saturday performed compared to the non-headliners?

[hollow sorrel]

its already 9 pm in Hong Kong but I haven't really seen anything about ZICO today so idk

[shrewd badger]

Same 😭 if the idol industry doesn't treat idols like workers then they should leave

[rain spade]

It literally says njz so I'm assuming no changes to name

Was it old poster?

[copper current]

NJZ needs to record with video, audio, photos of all the mistreatment Fraudor will do the them as evidences at ComplexCon

[polar owl]

Thoughts are mine, though 😅

[vital orbit]

yesss haha im joking its just how well formatted ur opinion was

[hollow sorrel]

if they perform at 19:30 (7:30) I have a theory.

notice how ALL their trailers were posted at 8pm KST
or the one today was posted at :08
even their new teaser contains 8-bit music (reaching, )
but the 8 has played a really big role.

what if their performance is like 29-30 minutes and when it hits 8:00 they reveal something or better yet... release something

-prayjeans

[tall dew]

[copper current]

Wish that were true pray 🙏

[rain spade]

They actually might release something since I'm assuming all videos is pre set by them?

[shrewd badger]

Your making me delusional 😭

Hey if the Injunction only applies in sk, why would ador send staff to Hk ?

[surreal raft]

bc ador hates njz

[rain spade]

to support them

[hollow sorrel]

no because ever since they announced ComplexCon I had this feeling they will do one of those "surprise drops" at the end of their performance like they will release a song or a promotion schedule or something...

but obviously I don't know if that's still possible because of the injunction

[surreal raft]

they better not omg

[rain spade]

I think they might actually post something 🤔

[surreal raft]

post what?

[rain spade]

Music or whatever they prepared

[subtle matrix]

They can perform the new song regardless I assume

[short laurel]

Ador has to maintain their stance of girls still with them while girls have to maintain their stance of contract termination. So ador will keep on sticking to njz until main suit is done. This injunction does not really matter in this case, they'll come regardless

[hollow sorrel]

also they can just ignore the injunction based if they pay the penalty just like how MHJ was still voted out despite the injunction

[subtle matrix]

NJZ themselves might not want to perform the new song since ador might claim it was made while under contract with them

[shrewd badger]

They are like pests you can't get rid of 😭

[frozen bronze]

that was a loophole, the injunction there was technically abided by

[proven spade]

Hybe / Ador are the type that would throw themselves and barge into the venue to stop the girls from going up the stage. Or tampering with their setup midway through their performance. That’s how I view them

[hollow sorrel]

really? how did they work around it

[shrewd badger]

Perhaps there's a loophole for njz as well , Thier lawyers need to step up

[frozen bronze]

hybe replaced other bod members with puppets and they voted her out

[short laurel]

It's main lawsuit is still ongoing btw

[subtle matrix]

Instead of using majority shareholder powers to directly kick her out, they replaced ador board members sympathetic to mhj and then had the board of directors vote her out. The ruling of the second injunction says the court couldn't stop them from using that loophole

[night niche]

cause ador is stupid

they have no legal grounds to be there so they can’t do much anyways

[hollow sorrel]

ohh, well let's hope the girls can still promote themselves through a legal loophole then

[frozen bronze]

they do from their pov

[night niche]

if ador tries to barge into their performance they may even face legal repercussions in hong kong

[short laurel]

No panelty amount was set. Court legally can't force someone to work for company they do not want to. Instead there will be penalty set in the main suit if girls lose. But performing in hk as njz might cause issues in main lawsuit cuz of injunction ruling but this ruling is going to be objected be4 that so we have to c.

[frozen bronze]

what even happened to mhj's stock? i havent heard about that in so long

[short laurel]

On going case. Long battle

[subtle matrix]

The court case is SK law but you can still be legally liable for actions in other countries. In reality there's nothing stopping them from moving to another country and staying a new career there but if they want to live and work in SK they can't fully ignore the potential consequences of the injunction

[night niche]

it depends on how ador goes about it though, it could be considered harassment, unlawful interference with business operations, violation of hong kong’s labor laws, or tortious interference

it would be the funniest thing to see ador face legal consequences in hk

[subtle matrix]

Ador was always going to send people to hk because not doing so could be seen as conceding that NJZ were working independently now

[short laurel]

Njz are in tough spot. They have to maintain their stance on contract termination but this injunction ruling can cause issue in mainsuit if they perform as njz.
N Girls going as newjeans will be like giving up.

[night niche]

keep in mind this is an injunction that njz plans on appealing and the actual court case hasn’t started yet, and the actual court case could go on for like a year

[short laurel]

It can be open n shut case, it can be loooong battle. Some even take 5+ years. What girls need is solid proof

[subtle matrix]

I think their move here is too call ador's bluff and go as NJZ

[radiant scaffold]

They could promote as njz tomorrow but that would be a bad look for the main lawsuit. Also even if they release a song tomorrow it's gotta be under ador since music distribution and everything has to be through them. I don't see them calling bluff.

[night niche]

if ador tries to step in physically with njz’s performance at complexcon, there’s a good chance that they may get legal consequences in hk

[glossy siren]

https://x.com/Liasshy/status/1903304802836062331?t=9upUxhcd1U8PtzYZrHUFiw&s=19

Lia ✮🏎️🏁 (@Liasshy) on X

According to Njz parents Ador handed over documents without signature approval, that will win the upcoming court case if they use it as evidence

X · Mar 22, 2025, 4:36 AM

[radiant scaffold]

But anyways complexcon isn't the big deal here since it was already established they were gonna go through with the performance no matter what the ruling is. The main thing to look forward to would be their steps after complexcon

[subtle matrix]

If they refuse to go back to ador, as they have said multiple times, then they should perform as NJZ and dare ador to sue them

[night niche]

complexcon is in hong kong, so the song would not be released under ador

[short laurel]

No. They can go against injunction result n release it. It not have to be under ador distribution. Can be an issue in main suit though but depends 9n the result of objection next week

[hot girder]

Source?

[short laurel]

Lia. Pls don't believe her

[rain spade]

Is really a double edged sword

[glossy siren]

But the visa situation is real, I remember being brought up by njz pr

[hot girder]

like nowhere did the parents say that lmaooooo

[short laurel]

Look at what lia qrt that too
This post is a joke.

[hollow sorrel]

but she’s right I remember this case

~t https://x.com/pannatic/status/1889644505831239903?s=46&t=rG1o-Bkd-GgDMGG_CtSg2Q

[hot girder]

they never said such thing...

[short laurel]

It's a joke.

[narrow seal]

250212 pannatic (@​pannatic) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/pannatic/status/1889644505831239903
NJZ's PR Team issues an official statement regarding Hanni's visa: "ADOR used Hanni's personal information and signature without consent"

https://pannative.blogspot.com/2025/02/njz-pr-instagram-update-newjeans.html
#NJZ #Hanni #엔제이지 #하니

[radiant scaffold]

It wouldn't be a sound legal advice to ignore the current ruling. Even if they're gonna object, the same judge is gonna give a ruling again so they should expect it to go either ways and act within legal limits for now.

[glossy siren]

The visa documents situation is real, go to their insta and look for yourself

[short laurel]

Girls also have to maintain their stance of contract termination for main lawsuit. Changing that means giving up.

[glossy siren]

It still has to be brought up in court, I don't see why would you say it is not a valuable argument

[hot girder]

I know it is real but I didn't think it was the visa documents. If they haven't used it now then when are they planning on using that lol

[short laurel]

Ooh vida documents

[glossy siren]

In the main trial

[hot girder]

why not during the injuction, though?

[hollow sorrel]

it’s in @njz_pr 02.12 statement

[subtle matrix]

Twitter users make any sort of sense challenge (impossible)

[glossy siren]

You understand that tthe injunction and the main trial are different cases and the second one will bring more stuff? Please. Depth.

[short laurel]

Visa thing happened after girls left ador. They have to show things when they were in ador. Ig that's why

[glossy siren]

Whatever. Time will show

[radiant scaffold]

Maintaining the stance ≠ violating the injunction ruling. No matter how you look at it its a bad look for their main lawsuit. They can promote as njz again if the objection ruling is in their favor till then they should be advised to follow the ruling imo.

[hot girder]

please. depth? lol

[night niche]

they are following the ruling actually, because they’re performing in hong kong, not korea

[short laurel]

Again. Court can't force someone to work when they not want to. Doing so is against constitution. Girls said they not want to regardless what injunction say. Otherwise they are weakening their case. Girls are in tough spot doesn't means girls have to listen to court n suddenly go as newjeans against their wish just cuz injunction says too.

Atleast to me going as newjeans will weaken their case more than ignoring injunction result m

[radiant scaffold]

I saw a couple of legal opinions on this and they say that standard idol contracts include clauses for international performances. I know complexcon won't be liable to follow the ruling since they are HK based, but the girls are liable to follow the rules since 4/5 are korean citizens and hanni is allegedly on a visa.

[short laurel]

Girls rather pay panelty than working under ador again

[radiant scaffold]

They definitely can pay the penalty. I'm just saying it will be a bad look for the main lawsuit.

[short laurel]

Much better than going as newjeans.

[dark glade]

You do realise the penalty is not cheap at all right, like it’s so much money

So as fans we should do a go fund or something to help them

[short laurel]

We don't know what panelty amount is. Judge always make it reasonable. N not 600mill as media keep say.

[subtle matrix]

They most likely could not pay the penalty unless they have a major financial backer, which is why I think it will eventually get settled

[night niche]

even if that’s true, at the end of the day korean injunctions only apply to korea and korea only. as long as they’re outside of korea, the injunctions does not apply. if ador wants it to apply outside of korea, they would need to have injunctions in more countries, but that could cause a lot of problems for ador so that’s highly unlikely

[short laurel]

Or it'll be some %age cut of girls future activities until it is paid.

We here just not c hybe as a company who'll reason with girls to settle behind the scenes

[subtle matrix]

They can pretty much be forced to settle

Sorry replied by mistake

[short laurel]

It will be after long battle though. Not anytime soon

[dark glade]

They can also be forced to pay, the thing is I just feel it won’t be a easy price as at the end of the day the company are going to want to keep NJZ for as long as they can

[dark glade]

Battle could go on for years tbh

[short laurel]

Ikr.

[dark glade]

It’s not even started yet put it that way

[glossy siren]

I feel like we should all just drop the theories on all socials, stop court discussion and leave this process to the girls, cause the public knows just a percentage of the full story. The fandom should just debunk mediaplay, report defamation, and enjoy the old/new content like if we were in a normal blackpink hiatus...

[radiant scaffold]

It'll be a bad look is all I'm saying man 🤷‍♀️
Also ador wouldn't have to file for a separate injunction in HK, just for recognition of the injunction ruling. Why do you think it would cause problems for them tho? Afaik Kim and Chang have a HK branch so legal representative won't be an issue.

[glossy siren]

I think the girls worries that all this negative public discourse will impact their brand

And I feel like aside from team bunnies, the fandom stress and overreactions are not helping

Just a thing I wanted to share

[frozen granite]

That’s how I’m trying to see it

[frosty echo]

Lia spotted, her opinion rejected

[night niche]

they actually would have to, because courts outside korea do not automatically recognize rulings there, that’s likes saying they filed an injunction in america and it applies to canada, that’s just not how it works

it would cause problems for ador because 1. freedom of trade and competitions laws worldwide 2. the complexity of filing injunctions outside of korea 3. jurisdictional issues, countries have their own labor and contract laws

[subtle matrix]

They would have to file an injunction in HK to prevent them from performing as NJZ in HK, because South Korean authorities couldn't just go to HK and stop them from performing there. However if they perform as NJZ in HK, they can still be legally liable in SK because the South Korean courts ruled that their contract is still in place, and that contract most likely also encompasses all their international activities

[glossy siren]

Guys it's simple. Who cares about the account. I shared it not cause of the " they will win' for sure" it's crap, who knows, but the content remains undiscussed . It was just to remind that the visa situation is still a side that hasn't been used and could have its weight in the main trial 🙄

I feel like there is a problem with flattening discourses...

[frozen granite]

Love it or hate it Njz is doing something revolutionary in kpop at least no one has gone to this extent

[radiant scaffold]

Yes, you worded it better than me. That's what I was trying to say as well.
Also regarding if ador would face issues while filing in HK, I still think they won't cause K&C have a HK branch with lawyers who are well versed with HK laws. I think they could build a case if push comes to shove.

[night niche]

yes that’s what i was saying

[rain spade]

What's the point of injuction in hk when they're just there for a day.. jeez

[subtle matrix]

No one's filing an injunction in HK

[rain spade]

Why even bring the subject up when is totally useless point

[radiant scaffold]

It's more related to if ador wanted to sue ComplexCon. I don't think they will tho. Both parties got too many cases to focus on already.

[subtle matrix]

People were discussing the legal ramifications of yesterday's ruling and how it affects the HK show

[rain spade]

Sure, maybe ador will let this go for once and after the show any activities is prohibited 🚫

[short laurel]

N we destroy ador on social media for not giving girls creative freedom.

Also the visa thing only really helps hanni. Not the other 4

[mild mist]

it does strengthen the 'breakdown of trust' argument

[pulsar wasp]

can someone briefly explain why Talytokki is not good for the members to associate with? Im only learning of them rn. Just saw the screenshots

[frozen granite]

We’re not talking about this anymore, if you want to know just ask someone to dm you.

I hate that we’re losing followers but I guess this always happens when there’s a ruling or mediaplay occurs

[blazing sky]

i have something ive thought of for a bit- realistically, if njz lose, what will happen to their new song? do the rights go to ador?

[mild mist]

not if they only perform it on stage

rights only matter with commercial releases, hence why idol covers on youtube are fine

[wise wagon]

im not really sure, i dont like to engage in conversations about it :'0 i just know that it got them dragged quite a bit by other fandoms

[frozen granite]

If yall want to know just dm her personally. That’s what I did. Let her tell you & not other tokkis or antis who might add more fuel

Now let’s move on please. Njz is our focus.

[pulsar wasp]

can anyone willing to explain the Talytokki issue DM me? I’m only learning of it now and want to navigate appropriately

[craggy skiff]

2 case, I think:

• they accept that they are still under ador and ador will own their new song
• they pay contract fee and new song still their own

[blazing sky]

gotcha, sounds good

[short laurel]

writing, composing, producing, everything of the new song is done by njz and people their hired. ador may claim copyright if u guys say that. but master should belong to girls or the person they hired right? can do what taylor did.
though i still think any rights to song should not belong to ador even if girls decided to go back to ador(unlikely since they rather pay penalty).

[copper current]

Seriously now Hybe lied and said the ribbon was NJZ and spinned around for them to be liars. NJZ seriously cannot go back to this hell

[copper current]

hey just let it go, even though what Taly did was wrong. I think the move was calculating to destroy bunny group, just move on and concentrate on NJZ

[upbeat stream]

Copyright belongs to songwriters so no confusion there. Masters rights I'm not sure about, usually it belongs to the label, but that itself is disputed in this case so who knows

[copper current]

Hybe starts smear campaign now after the judge injunction, everything was turned to paint the girls as liars with Korean news, now I understand why NJZ should leave Korea where Hybe is in

~t https://x.com/stardustminji/status/1903497448061825279

[narrow seal]

250322 Brad (@​stardustminji) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/stardustminji/status/1903497448061825279
Nobody outside of twt actually cares what antis have to say about NJZ. Don’t be fooled, these hate tweets stay in the echo chamber of those fandoms and have no real impact on the public perception of NJZ. Minji, Hanni, Danielle, Haerin and Hyein are so loved everywhere they go

[blazing sky]

thats what im of the understanding, like yes they wrote the song, those who worked on it have song credits, but ador could argue that they wrote their song under the newjeans name hense it belongs to them

pray it works out in their favor though

[blazing sky]

holy shit is this the airport??

[night niche]

~t https://x.com/hannihourly/status/1903288577187881018

[narrow seal]

250322 hanni 🏎️🏁 (@​hannihourly) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/hannihourly/status/1903288577187881018
rate these community notes as NOT HELPFUL and reply when you’re done:

https://x.com/i/birdwatch/t/1903122682385662037?source=6

[glossy siren]

I really wonder why some people do this, do they gain some sort of pleasure?

I really don't get it

[wind briar]

can someone bring me up to date??

like real quick

[cosmic belfry]

ADOR bad. NJZ good

[quartz creek]

LMAOO

[tardy smelt]

ADOR’s injunction was granted, barring NJZ from entertainment activities until the first ruling of the main lawsuit. NJZ plan to object. NJZ will continue with the planned performance. ADOR will “support” the performance by sending staff.

[short laurel]

1st one . unfortunately what court said.. 2nd one total bs. people are stupid, how come this be in community notes. we already know how these so called "investors" continue to change through out the drama. and people really not listen to what hanni said.

[wind briar]

will njz perform as newjeans?

[tardy smelt]

probably not, but we’ll see

[frozen granite]

When is the appeal taking place ?

[tardy smelt]

unknown

[short laurel]

how big is their security team. i kinda hope it's as big as it was few months ago when girls left ador. kinda scared of public

[tardy smelt]

it looked like one guard per member on departure

[copper current]

done yesterday, I wish I could do this 100 times

~t https://x.com/savagehanni/status/1903508199333933373

[narrow seal]

250322 𓃺 (@​savagehanni) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/savagehanni/status/1903508199333933373
njz, especially hanni and dani have not had a break since last april. the way everybody wants to villainize them, but it wont work. ready for the hardest karma to hit everybody in that company AND stans so hard. everybody gon be miserable except them.

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/gorgeouslexy/status/1903512198095200523

[narrow seal]

250322 IUJeanz Fan Account (@​gorgeouslexy) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/gorgeouslexy/status/1903512198095200523
@savagehanni Hanni/ Dani / NJZ Karma is coming 🤭

[hot girder]

~t https://x.com/newjeans_loop/status/1903490829085556901?t=2yKMMhFktn5a_T0bYa1wxQ&s=19

[narrow seal]

250322 NJZ Loops 🧸🦦🐶🐱🐹 (@​newjeans_loop) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/newjeans_loop/status/1903490829085556901
250323

HKG

#NJZ

[hot girder]

The girls got so much love upon arrival 🥺💗💗

[dapper root]

im deleting this why are we promoting toxicity 😭😭

[upbeat stream]

Are you talking about song copyright or recording master rights? Because copyright always belongs to songwriters, no exceptions, regardless of who the songwriters are signed to. It automatically belongs to them from the moment they wrote it, even if the song was never registered

[pulsar wasp]

I personally had nothing to let go. I was only made aware of it recently. So I wanted to educate myself on it properly.

It was explained to me via DM, so I’m good now.

[short laurel]

tldr: it just lil drama nothing to do with njz.

[quartz creek]

i love bunnies

[shrewd badger]

The screams, the girls are so loved 😍

[shrewd badger]

Oh they are screaming njz

[frozen granite]

I like when this chat is quiet … especially during these times

[night niche]

me too, i think everyone is anticipating the performance

[alpine matrix]

can anyone tell me if the complexcon performance will be broadcasted ?

[fast snow]

As far as we know it won’t be

[alpine matrix]

awh 😔

ty for telling me!!