NJZ Updates and Discussion

[rain spade]

but the higher courtts would only ttake cases if the court below it can't make a decision ? right

[short laurel]

what we were discussing was what was going on. not necessary whats going on in court. so being up to date with everything that happened is important. if u don't agree with that then i don't think we can talk.

[polar owl]

Knetz don't realise what they are losing now.

[polar owl]

Not really, higher courts can take up the matter if any of the party is not satisfied with the result.

[hollow sorrel]

https://x.com/lifestyle010101/status/1903073454573928773?s=46&t=rG1o-Bkd-GgDMGG_CtSg2Q

NJZ forever (@lifestyle010101) on X

친구랑 통화했는데 가처분에서 모든걸 다 쏟은 하이브는 본안소송에서 뭘로 싸울껀데라고하네 뉴진스측은 이기면 좋고 져도 좋다는식으로 전략짠거 같다고함 pr 입장문보고나서. 이제 판사가 확실히 원하는걸 알았기에 다 준비해놓으면 본안은 무조건 백퍼승이라함 하이브는 더이상 내놓을게 없다며

X · Mar 21, 2025, 1:17 PM

I literally thought of this earlier today, though I wonder why NJZ wouldn’t go all out for an injunction like this

[polar owl]

More copium

[copper current]

I remmeber bunnies organize two events with 50000 signatures from Koreans to look into Hybe and look what happens, nothing is resolved, nothing is looked into, only corruption, I feel bad for Koreans, unless they stand up for themselves, their socities will be ruined by the rich and there is no fairness in the society, people are bullied and suppressed by the rich. NJZ are so brave to stand on their grounds. Koreans should support them more

[subtle matrix]

I have been trying not to overstep into the discussion of what is more personal opinion, it wasn't my intention to fight people here, I'm just legitimately interested in the case and its repercusions, but that is completely fair 🤝

[polar owl]

NJZ had spine. No one ever in the industry will ever stand up again if they are pushed out

[wooden helm]

가처분 신청에 대한 이의신청의 기각은 즉시항고를 통해 상급법원의 심사를 요청할 수 있습니다

[short laurel]

i especially wants to c hybe lose hard atleast once. hybe in the past even after losing and having partial victory mediaplay like they had complete victory. regardless they always had last laugh. so atleast this time i want to c them suffer for what they did over the years with many artists

[potent lichen]

I just find it ironic the NJZ haters not realizing they’re continuing the cycle for their kpop faves to be abused and taken advantage of

[polar owl]

Lol. This is so f up.

[wooden helm]

[lyric geyser]

NJZ cannot lose this no matter what

[cinder narwhal]

[polar owl]

Don't buy this

[short laurel]

copium coming from knetizen giving me hope

[wooden helm]

근데 본안에서도 똑같은 증거를 내세워도 문제될게 없어서

[short laurel]

https://x.com/lifestyle010101/status/1903073832430362786

NJZ forever (@lifestyle010101) on X

법조계에 있는 친구라 사건을 바라보는 눈이 다르긴하네 하이브는 가처분에서 너무 많은걸 보여줬다는데 이제 추가로 뭐 내놓을게 없으면 본안은 질수밖에 없다고

X · Mar 21, 2025, 1:18 PM

[copper current]

Their faves are probably being bullied inside the company behind the door and after they leave, they will be exiled or treated badly like the case of fromis_9

[lyric geyser]

Amazing

[wooden helm]

오늘 가처분 결정문에서 사실상 뉴진스 측에서 주장한 모든 사실들을 다 부정한거나 마찬가지라 본안에서도 별로ㅜ다를게 없을수도 있어욤..

[short laurel]

it's already known that txt were treated as step son under bighit. yet their fandom goes up and down. bts too had many drama yet fans support the company

[polar owl]

Yeah, they need to go back to the drawing board

[wooden helm]

무조건 이의신청이 받아들여져야 본안에서도 유리해져요! 그렇지 않으면 좋지 않습니다

[honest sky]

I like how theyre talking jn korean and u are replying in english

[potent lichen]

As an international Tokki, if they want to focus on a global audience more, I’m for it

[wooden helm]

한국사람들은 뉴진스에 대한 관심이 곧 사라질 가능성이 높습니다

[polar owl]

My knowledge of korean alphabets is zero. Technology to the rescue. 😅

[mild mist]

I can understand why njz wouldn't play all their cards on this case, but why would hybe?

[polar owl]

Then we will be glad to host them outside of Sk

[mild mist]

Papago is magic

[wooden helm]

차라리 그랬으면 좋겠네요

[copper current]

yup, I love it. There are many solutions to this issue, we just have to be creative. Don't think that this is the end, if you feel relaxed and calm, then NJZ will find a way to cope with this, just have to move around a little bit

[wooden helm]

아마 다음주부터 큰 사건들이 많이 일어날거라 관심이 사라질 가능성이 높습니다 희망적이네요

[subtle matrix]

It's fascinating because whichever way it goes it'll have massive repercussions in the industry. If NJZ win labels will panic at the possibility of all their groups being able to leave bc of the abysmal working conditions in the industry. If HYBE wins it will only reinforce the fact that labels get away with murder with zero repercussions in an incredibly predatory field

[rugged dagger]

njz would be the precedent

[polar owl]

This is where a judge needs to be pragmatic. Individual rights are more important than protecting the right to be predatory.

[hot girder]

b-but ador will lose its income 🥺

[polar owl]

Let them fight in silence. We will support them no matter what

[rugged dagger]

shoutout korean government for looking out for the little guy

[polar owl]

The big guys look after the government 😉

[wooden helm]

조용히 지나가거나 오히려 뉴진스에 대한 관심이 극대로 커지던가 극과 극이에요..

[polar owl]

I feel the first is more possible given that people have not revolted yet

[short laurel]

this battle really showing who are true bnz.

[wooden helm]

아마 뉴진스가 정치적 문제로 얽혀있어서 또 다시 회자될 가능성이 있습니다

[frozen granite]

Guys i couldn’t resist but to come back what’s happening? I kept wishing this was all a nightmare

[polar owl]

It was all a dream

[wooden helm]

저두요..

[potent lichen]

I’m avoiding Reddit and even other Hybe kpop discords with “NJZ’s loss is our win”

[polar owl]

But reality is more bleak

[polar owl]

I went there, replied to a few, but it's really pathetic to see human nature

[frozen granite]

I saw NJZ’s story

[cinder narwhal]

hope is a dangerous drug

[polar owl]

Remember Shashank Redemption. Hope is never a bad thing

[potent lichen]

I wouldn’t even bother they are so biased against NJZ. You will get downvoted or deleted

[frozen granite]

Is this true ?!?! omg

[polar owl]

I got downvoted but i said my mind 😅

[wooden helm]

저건 너무 희망적인 구상입니다 너무 기대하시지는 마세요

[frozen granite]

Oh

[wooden helm]

[frozen granite]

I kept wanting to dream about slapping BSH but I ended up dreaming about something else

[polar owl]

Yeah, this is truly hoping too much that they reserved their trump card

I think we have to ask Trump to something 😅

[sleek crest]

*tr 저건 너무 희망적인 구상입니다 너무 기대하시지는 마세요

[harsh dove]

ko->en

That's too hopeful a concept. Don't expect too much.

[polar owl]

And that involved BSH as well?

[upbeat stream]

There's no way they would hold back in an injunction case lol. The only hope is that the main lawsuit provides more proof via discovery or subpoenas or somehow

[frozen granite]

I wonder if Njz had plan to post a bns version plush video, but didn’t bc of the injunction …

[frozen granite]

No that involved finals for school which is equally scary

[hot girder]

I don't have much hope m

[polar owl]

At least it didn't feature bsh

[upbeat stream]

Yeah me neither. It's what I'm holding onto, otherwise I'll get depressed fr

[hoary frost]

Since Ador "won" this injunction, what happens next?

[frozen granite]

Even if ador wins or HYBE wins Njz won’t go back to ador that’s the only thing I know so I wonder what will happen

[wooden helm]

계약기간이 만료될 때까지 어도어 소속으로 활동 아니면 위약금 내기

[polar owl]

That's not happening. They won't go back into the slaughter house.

[wooden helm]

하지만 6200억은 너무나 큰 돈입니다

[upbeat stream]

They will perform at complexcon, either as njz or newjeans we do not know. After that all we have to look forward to are court dates, they will definitely not return to ador. They said they'll object the ruling, which goes before the same judge but they'll be able to present additional evidence

[hoary frost]

Oh

[hoary frost]

oh ok, i get it now ty

[polar owl]

A different judge in the same court

[upbeat stream]

Are you sure it's a different judge?

[potent lichen]

None of us were in the court obvs but what happens in court is not always “fair.” Especially when so much of their system is corrupt

[waxen musk]

I actually understand why the judge ruled the way they did, so I don't see corruption or anything in this case. Doesn't mean it's "right" though. But it's true the level of distrust I have in Korea to judge things fairly in the first place, just historically speaking.

[wooden helm]

하지만 매우 낮은 확률로 똑같은 판사가 될 수도 있어요

[upbeat stream]

Oh ok

[polar owl]

I have seem many Supreme court cases where judges go beyond the simple interpretation of the law and rule in favour of human dignity and constitutional freedoms.

Hope they don't have to reach the highest court

[hot girder]

Not in Korea lol

[wooden helm]

그것에 대한 명백한 증거가 없어서 이런 판단을 내렸다고 합니다

뉴진스 측의 주장 중 일부 틀린 부분도 있어서요

[stoic heron]

english pls

[harsh dove]

🔧 *translate [source_lang]/[target_lang] <text>

Papago and Google translator

You can specify language pairs or let them be automatically detected.
Default target language is english.

You can also use '->' in place of '/' for language specification.

Usage:
>translate <sentence>
>translate xx/yy <sentence>
>translate /yy <sentence>
>translate xx/ <sentence>

Aliases: tr, trans

[polar owl]

What errors?.

[rugged dagger]

how do you get the bunnies club icon

[wooden helm]

아마 타 아이돌 그룹에게 뉴진스를 무시하라고 시켰다고 했는데 실제로는 90도 인사를 하는등 깍듯하게 인사하는 cctv영상이 공개되었습니다

[polar owl]

That's a different footage. Why would they lie if they knew it's so easy to disprove it?

[potent lichen]

https://x.com/thegreatgaram/status/1897873537819722226?s=46&t=yKUUt0I6XBqWQ5rCpvl-Fw

XOXO 🤍 GG (@thegreatgaram) on X

HANNI: ILLIT members and I greeted each other in passing, but when they came back later, their manager told them to ignore me and made sure I heard it. (https://t.co/qWdqmWvVsK)

ADOR: Here is the footage of ILLIT greeting Hanni (https://t.co/xe5N5vgfxa)

🤯

X · Mar 7, 2025, 4:54 AM

[short laurel]

video was different and video didn't contradict what hanni said.

the entire issue hanni had with that greeting drama is the way ador and belift handled it. and NO one pointing it out.

[wooden helm]

아뇨 그게 뉴진스 측이 주장한 전속계약 해지와 밀접한 관련이 있어서 어도어 하이브 측에서 반박 자료로 메신저 대화내역과 영상을 공개한 것이고 하니도 무시하고 지나가지는 않았다고 하지만 민희진 전 어도어 대표가 무시해라고 했다는 등 언론플레이를 통해서 부풀리기 된 감이 있습니다

[polar owl]

I don't why the lawyers didn't point this out or if they did why the judge took this as a valid evidence

[short laurel]

there was only 1 hearing. they are objecting it so probably they are going to point all this.

[lyric geyser]

*tt https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMBkTwS7X/

[harsh dove]

@talytokki

[short laurel]

hanni complaind about it to MHJ. and MHJ asked in detail what happened. that's all happened there.

[polar owl]

How reliable is this evidence? 😅 Also Hybe released it and not any federal agency

[wooden helm]

저도 알고있습니다 그러나 그 민희진 측이 주장한 무시해라는 발언이 전속계약해지에 대한 명분으로 언급되었기 때문에 문제인 것이죠

[short laurel]

i don't understand. papago translation your comment weird. all i read in the leaked kkt was just hanni complaining to mhj about the incident and MHJ asking her "did they said that" n "did she ignore you". it itself not enough to prove if MHJ influenced this.

[lyric geyser]

Those messages were also edited

[short laurel]

even after that it's not enough to prove anything against hanni or mhj.

[wooden helm]

법원에서는 어도어와 뉴진스 측의 쟁점에 관해서 뉴진스 측이 재출한 증거들로는 전속계약해지사유가 될 수 없다고 보았습니다

[short laurel]

the fact is it didn't contradict what hanni said. in fact we c that manager ignoring hanni and dani instead.

[lyric geyser]

Look this whole thing is clear as day, the evidence is there, the breach of trust is clear to see, the court said their interest was Ador’s reputation cause they got paid

[wooden helm]

하니의 이른바 ‘무시해’ 발언 등에 대해서는 하이브 계열 빌리프랩의 아일릿 매니저로부터 ‘무시해’라는 발언을 들었다는 뉴진스 멤버 하니의 주장에 관해서는 “실제 이(무시해) 발언을 들었다고 단정하기 어려운 점, 하니가 같은 날 민희진에게 아일릿 멤버 3명이 채무자 하니에게 불편하거나 딱딱하게 인사했다는 취지의 영문 카카오톡 메시지를 보낸 것을 고려할 때 인사를 했던 것으로 보이는 점, 당시 하이브 폐쇄회로(CC)TV에 아일릿 멤버 3명이 허리 숙여 인사하는 장면이 확인되는 점 등으로 미루어 하니가 인격권을 침해할 정도의 발언을 들었다는 것이 충분히 소명되지 않았다”고 했다.

[potent lichen]

This whole thing made me see how easy it is to manipulate people lol

[polar owl]

Just some context

[potent lichen]

Especially when they already have an opinion made

[short laurel]

yea. but since we are talking about this incident. the fact ador submitted wrong video and also completely missed the point of hanni's complaint. why ador didn't get prejury for this

[lyric geyser]

Again, $$

It’s corruption

[wooden helm]

잘못되었다기 보다는 매우 부풀리기 되어서 전속계약해지 사유로 들어갔다는게 잘못되었다는 뜻이었습니다

[quartz creek]

Did we lose?

[lyric geyser]

no

[potent lichen]

We lose this one fight but not the battle

[polar owl]

Welcome

[quartz creek]

Wait so can they still preform at complex con?

[polar owl]

Yes, as NJ

[short laurel]

hanni issue was the way this issue was handled by ador and belift. not who greeted who not. we have yet to hear properly on this. nothing was shared other than ador completely deflecting it.

[polar owl]

It was just one of the reasons for the toxic work environment

[short laurel]

hanni's issue is why cctv footage deleted. why it was belift who investigated it and why ador ceo defending other label and treating hanni as if she lied.

[subtle matrix]

Unfortunately since the complaint is from NJZ side the onus of presenting evidence is on them, which they were unable to

[grizzled mural]

People who stan companies like Hybe or Ador are so weird.

In the west, we are fans of artists not labels.

[short laurel]

ador is not addressing these. which is the issue. instead they keep twisting the incident by saying "illit did greeted her"

[polar owl]

Assuming Hybe, who has access to the footage, will show the actual event is hilarious

[subtle matrix]

ADOR's video doesn't negate Hanni's claim but it doesn't have to

[short laurel]

it doesn't even address the issue hanni raised.

[polar owl]

Their new manager needs to be called to the court

[wooden helm]

무슨말인지 잘 모르겠지만 오늘 법정에서 나온 얘기들에 대해 반박한 자료들을 가져온 것입니다

[potent lichen]

Yeah big difference between Western and Eastern fan culture. I don’t even know Western label names haha

[short laurel]

they most likely will. along with the security guard. and hanni will show the recording or security changing the story.

[short laurel]

idk how to explain it since translation mess up meaning of the sentence.

[polar owl]

How will NJZ get this footage unless a federal authority gets the entire footage, backup etc

[subtle matrix]

ADOR claims the footage doesn't exist anymore

[raven kelp]

-gotobed

[tall dew]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/948918589602267186/1352663321148522496/250320-newjeans_loop-1902733470750867461-1.mp4?ex=67ded563&is=67dd83e3&hm=c7f7afb30a06bee2038c22055930b83b91f899a2d46897e9e47cf598a582d9aa&

[short laurel]

why footage of the incident not exists but 30min older footage does

[polar owl]

Yep, in SK the labels are the creator, artists execute their visions

[wooden helm]

그러나 유감인 점은 재판부가 모든 쟁점에서 어도어측의 손을 들어줬다는 것입니다

[polar owl]

This itself is proof of wrong doing

[short laurel]

no SK has free artists too. it's just idol industry that's like this. and idol industry that took over kpop internationally.

[potent lichen]

How is it not corrupt when one entity has access to vital information such as camera footage that can make or break a case

[tall holly]

Will they still be performing on the 23rd

[short laurel]

they will be. ador said they will be forcing girls to perform as newjeanns

[polar owl]

Yes, this needs to be investigated by an impartial agency set up by the court

[tall holly]

Although it’s frustrating I’m still glad we’ll be able to see the girls

[short laurel]

will probably happen in main suit

[subtle matrix]

iirc the excuse they presented is that when Hanni first raised the issue they presented her this clip (the one that was presented in court) and she was satisfied. After a few weeks she made a formal complaint and by then the footage had been automatically deleted as it was over 30 days old (this is somewhat common practice but read into it as you wish)

[short laurel]

one of the things girls side will dispute in objection probably

[polar owl]

Not as per SK law as per Grok. The appellants are responsible for collecting evidence

[short laurel]

in main suit they will have required support to get footage investigated in court.

[short laurel]

no where it said that hanni was satisfied. and why 30min older footage exists but not the exact footage hanni asked for. and why was belift the one who investigated it

[polar owl]

It's like asking a criminal to hand over evidence of their wrong doing

[subtle matrix]

I am not saying Hanni was satisfied, I am saying that is what ADOR claimed in court. They claim that the timeline is something like

1. Hanni makes complaint
2. Ador shows her this video, she is satisfied
3. Hanni raised the issue again and asks to see different video
4. Ador says other videos have been automatically deleted and only this one was saved as record keeping because of the complaint

[polar owl]

What's the proof she was satisfied

[frozen granite]

I wish the results had come out next week instead

[subtle matrix]

There is no proof this is just what ador claims

[wooden helm]

저도 이랗게 알고 있습니다

그것을 삭제한건지 자동으로 삭제된건지는 정확히 알 수 없기 때문에 문제인거죠

[polar owl]

Also, aren't labels required to store footage over 60 days

[subtle matrix]

ADOR claimed it was automatically deleted but obviously they would say that regardless

[polar owl]

Unless an impartial investigation happens Ador can claim anything. Where will NJZ get any evidence

They have to get insider support

[wooden helm]

그 증거 말고는 별로 문제가 있는 증거가 없지 않나요?

[red thorn]

If that cctv incident would be the breaking point
I think summoning people involved is necessary

[subtle matrix]

If this goes to trial it's very likely ILLIT members will be called to testify

[polar owl]

Ador likes to take the cover of their young group members

[wooden helm]

그것이 결정적이지는 않습니다 여러 전속계약해지 사유 중 하나이고 그것은 일부일 뿐입니다

[short laurel]

last november national assembly. do u know what they said? they said that video got accidently deleted by an employee but he left in that 30 days period n they can't contact him. that was their 1st excuse.

[opaque torrent]

can i have the link to this original article

[subtle matrix]

It's possible, I'm aware of the general timeline claimed by ADOR but some details might be off

[short laurel]

point is. story here changed.

on top of that ador n media is too focused on "illit did greeted hanni" which was not the complaint hanni raised in the 1st place.

[polar owl]

Anyone who is not $ can read through the deceit

[flint torrent]

did ador try change hanni’s story? cs idk how netizens conclude that “hanni is a bully”?
-# i’m so sorry i’m rlly slow TT

[wooden helm]

그 cctv에 관해서는 본재판에서 더 자세히 다루게 될 것 같습니다

[short laurel]

only hybe stans. tokkies are tired of pointing out that that's not even what hanni complaining about.

[wooden helm]

오늘 가처분 신청 인용에 관해서는 뉴진스 측 증거가 부실했던 것도 사실이라 그런 결정을 내란 것 같네요 본재판에서는 어도어를 이겼으며느좋겠네요

[short laurel]

how do u right that small text. i keep missing it. xD

[radiant scaffold]

I think sejong did include that in their argument. That illit members didn't greet hanni and mocked her with gestures or something.

[red thorn]

Oh didn't you said it's tv daily article?
It's on theqoo hot page, and op not sourced the aeticle

[flint torrent]

-#text with a space between - and #

[short laurel]

yea sejong argument confused me cuz what hanni repeatedly said has been same story but in the slide it was slightly different. i raised this point be4.

[polar owl]

Injunction was equally important as main trial would take a year probably

[opaque torrent]

nvm found it https://biz.chosun.com/industry/business-venture/2025/03/21/RO7EX4DTF5FSRKX52JYZDX2YGU/?outputType=amp

[short laurel]

in main trial. everyone will be called to discuss this. even security guard or people who no longer work there but where there when this incident took place..

[opaque torrent]

yeah this is hybe astroturfing

[radiant scaffold]

Yeah, the media is focusing on that point cause that's what was presented in the court. And the actual group ignoring hanni would be considered a bigger issue than their manager.

[wooden helm]

그렇긴 하나 가처분 재판에서 재판부가 모두 반박해서

[short laurel]

no. media and ador has been screamign this point since november.

[subtle matrix]

The main complaints from NJZ side are

1. Workplace environment
   Could be proven by witness testimony

2. Preferential treatment
   Surely there will be e-mails and other documents that can prove any issues re: brand deals which can come up during discovery. The issue about LSF debuting first will be very hard to prove and ADOR will always have good arguments against it

3. ILLIT plagiarism and HYBE's failure to address it
   Hard to prove because proving plagiarism is hard to begin with

4. HYBE cutting out other parties who NJZ wanted to work with (Dolphiners)
   They don't have a case here imo

5. Anything related to MHJ being ousted
   Going to be hard to have this affect their case even if HYBE was completely in the wrong

I think their focus needs to be on the workplace environment/preferential treatment issues

[mild mist]

They can also talk about their concerns not being satisfactorily addressed by management

[radiant scaffold]

Hmm, that's cause belift said in their statement last year that the original complaint was that illit didn't greet hanni. I think this will be contested in the appeal or the main lawsuit

[mild mist]

There'll be a clause in the contract about that

[subtle matrix]

I feel like even if they point to specific instances where that happened, it is too vague and will not be very beneficial

[short laurel]

2. hybe had to pay og ador in mhj 1st injunction on this incident. so there's that
3. in 1st injunction court did said mhj was within her right to question it. also her lawsuit with belift is about this.
4. they do with MHJ as she was their creative and important part of their indentity. as equal party girls have the right to question why their creative changed.
5. as mentioned in above points. she is deeply involved so they can't ignore her.

[short laurel]

yup n completely missing what hanni was talking about. 🤷‍♂️

[mild mist]

Again, depends on the wording of the contract

[wooden helm]

하니가 출입국관리법에 의거해 고발당한다면 골치아파질 수 있는데..

[short laurel]

2 and 3 since it happened in court. ador can't jsut change story there.

[short laurel]

why? she legally got her visa

[polar owl]

If not mandated by the contract, the girls have no say in their creative direction

[subtle matrix]

But the second injuction sided with HYBE later. MHJ had a right to question similarities with ILLIT, but proving it in court is much harder. I don't think that can be the focus

[mild mist]

Surely if ADOR retract something that the previously relied upon in court, that is grounds for njz's loss of trust?

[short laurel]

then girls are not equal party of the contract.

[short laurel]

in 2nd injunction court dismissed the case. they didn't side with anyone. get the facts right pls

[mild mist]

Again this relies on wording of the contract

[wooden helm]

그렇긴합니다만 최근 사람들 사이에서 하니를 출입국관리법 제17조(외국인의 체류 및 활동범위)

① 외국인은 그 체류자격과 체류기간의 범위에서 대한민국에 체류할 수 있다.

② 대한민국에 체류하는 외국인은 이 법 또는 다른 법률에서 정하는 경우를 제외하고는 정치활동을 하여서는 아니 된다.

2번 항목으로 고발한다는 말을 들었습니다

[short laurel]

again there have been cases where courts have sided with idols over change in their management.

[polar owl]

Lol, let them file a complaint

[potent lichen]

I didn’t follow Loona closely but they also lost their injunction at first?

[subtle matrix]

They dismissed the case brought up by MHJ vs HYBE = they sided with HYBE.

[short laurel]

which political activity did hanni participated in? if u are talking about yoon impeachment. i don't think that's enough.

[wooden helm]

저도 그렇게 생각합니다 크게 걱정을 하고 있지는 않아요

[subtle matrix]

I don't think turning this into semantics is in anyone's interest

[radiant scaffold]

Can you give a reference for these? Would like to learn more about those circumstances.

[short laurel]

no. 2nd injunction was about stopping hybe from kicking her for ador board of directors according to 1st injunction ruling. but hybe already replaced others in board by using their majority share n the new board kicked her out. court said they can stop hybe form replacing her by using their majority shares but court can't stop bod from kicking her by using majority vote.

[short laurel]

have to google. it was discussed loooong time ago. give me some time.

[short laurel]

court basically left it up to the main lawsuit that's still on going n is not public.

[red thorn]

Ah yes the body snatcher incident
Hybe cosplaying as ador, court can't rule that they're the same body since lawfully they're separate entity

[short laurel]

yea that too

hybe executive's put in ador BOD to do hybe's bidding

[subtle matrix]

I feel like that leaves us in the exact same spot. MHJ brought an injuction, it was dismissed, HYBE was legally able to kick her out

[short laurel]

yea but that didn't change anything in the points i mentioned

[upbeat stream]

No but what's bullshit is hybe being able to terminate mhj's contract unilaterally

They waited for no court ruling

[short laurel]

unilateral termination allowed if company does it. but it's not allowed if idol does it. "equal party contract"

[polar owl]

If only Hybe would have cared to keep the team which gave them the most successful GG intact....

[short laurel]

mhj vs hybe and mhj vs belift on plagiarism issue is still ongoing.

[subtle matrix]

I was replying to your point "hybe had to pay og ador in mhj 1st injunction on this incident. so there's that". That point is moot after hybe did their shady stuff to replace the board members and kick MHJ out that way

[short laurel]

it's not moot cuz it proves that hybe did sobtage hyeins LV contract at the time. hybe admitted it. and even paid 3 months compensastion to og ador.

just cuz mhj was kicked doesn't means everything discussed n proven in court is invalidated.

[opaque torrent]

okay this judge is whack... we dont have access to the other evidence hybe showed to support their rebuttals but we KNOW hanni's "ignore her" evidence was manipulated and the cctv they showed was irrelevant.... yet the judge accepted it at face value.

its doubtful that hybe has any evidence that will be admissable in the main trial since all they share is their graphics design passion during the injunction hearings

[copper current]

Pann is now full of haters

And illet is now angels ? Wow

[opaque torrent]

leave illit alone

[short laurel]

"bsh is the hybe angel"

[opaque torrent]

first its the right thing to stop dragging illit but even if you dont care for them, you reinforce hybe's narrative that mhj/nj are trying to destroy them

[polar owl]

It's the agency, not the idols

[red shore]

I'm sure I'll be attacked for saying this but idc. Even if the ignore her situation happened exactly as she said it did, it is too weak to be used in court. Like okay, a manager said something not nice. Did the situation escalate? Did other managers attack you? Did the group in question go out of their way to belittle you? Nope. So how is that a valid reason to break the contract

[polar owl]

This was not the reason

[opaque torrent]

its not but in the context of many other micro and macroaggressions (including BANG PD shunning them and the entire HYBE building talking shit about them on blind) it is. esp if ador's first step to help her is to notify the team that offended her so they can go destroy evidence

[red shore]

It was one of the reasons given. One of their issues with Ador that they outlined in that letter before they broke their contract. I know what I'm saying

[short laurel]

again. i said it million times. hanni issue is how the issue was handled. why did belift investiaget it. why did video got deleted but 30min older video didn't. why security guard hesitated and hanni has recording on this. and why ador new ceo treated her as if hanni lied. and why ador not focusing on these but focused on "illit did greet her" which was not the issue to begin with.

[opaque torrent]

you're missing the big picture

[polar owl]

It is symbolic of the toxic workplace

Throw out the team that built NJ and replace them with people who don't care

[red shore]

They didn't bring the Blind thing to court, and I don't know what evidence there is for that. If even they didn't use it then idk how it sound it is. Ador did notify Belift. That was when the whole investigation happened. And MHJ was still in power then, so I'm not sure why she isn't being blamed for not doing something

[short laurel]

MHJ did. hanni said it's not big deal. but media play become so strong and mhj was kicked out so girls started bringing these things to public.

and the fact that hanni never said which idol it was. it was media who said illit and hybe confirmed it which brought so much hate on illit.

[polar owl]

Hybe wanted to start a fanwar to favour public opinion

[short laurel]

also we don't know if they brought it or not. we not have full slides both sides presented. only parts of it.

[red shore]

The video was deleted after 30 days or so because that is how CCTV works. According to the information we have, when Hanni and the parents went back to HR with the new date, the footage had already been automatically deleted. They did not ignore her when she brought it up. And Hanni said they made her feel like a liar but from everything we know they investigated a he said she said situation to the best of their ability so what exactly is it? And again, even if it did go down as she said (which I doubt), it is too weak to use in court. "It wasn't handled properly" but it was a non issue in the first place.

[polar owl]

So convenient

[opaque torrent]

the entire day was deleted except the footage they can use to mislead the public was conveniently saved

are you reading what you're saying?

[subtle matrix]

Namiko, I was talking about whether MHJ being kicked out was legitimate or not. Like I said when I listed the complaints by NJZ' side, preferential treatment is one of the things I think they should focus on, because there will be a paper trail, so I am aware of the LV contract situation. I was specifically talking about MHJ in that instance

[short laurel]

again. why was few min older footage was available? and who said they ignroed her??????

[subtle matrix]

Lets legitimately discuss this instead of playing a "gotcha" game

[red shore]

I'm too tired to respond again, so my last message to you all would be to step back and look at things objectively. Remember that we do not know these idols. Remember that MHJ is not a good person and we have proof of this. Remember that the girls had no issues with Ador until MHJ's alleged crimes were revealed, then suddenly they wanted to leave.

Don't be useful to MHJ. Don't let her use your emotions against you. She has already called bunnies idiots and the girls fat and shallow. She has done nothing to deserve your support or trust. That's all I'm going to say.

[short laurel]

the points u were mentioned had LV case. i was on that. so lv case nj point is valid. for MHJ case weather is legitimate or not is still on going case.

[subtle matrix]

Like I said the preferential treatment is one of the few angles which I see as worthy of being brought up to court

[polar owl]

MHJ is not good, but Hybe is good

I get the message

[short laurel]

that sentence is proof enough that they not been followign the drama.

[short laurel]

yea we'll c that one. i think girls did bring that to court too.

[potent lichen]

I want what’s best for the girls and they are worked with these people so they know better than people blindly hating online

[polar owl]

And girls are so naive that they have been brainwashed. Where did i hear this, can anyone remind me?

[hollow sorrel]

and interview with TIME magazine just came out asking about the members' thoughts about the injunction results.

https://time.com/7270186/njz-newjeans-exclusive-hybe-ador-legal-battle-complexcon-hongkong/

[knotty valve]

New instagram story from the girls

[short laurel]

they not even worth responding to. can't believe they are old member.

[hollow sorrel]

tbh its kinda insane how they got a TIME article (considering how its one of the biggest newspapers in western media)

I think it's safe to say that the girls have someone influential backing them (label or manager (NOT MHJ))

unless this was already booked earlier and they just added the injunction part today

[bronze talon]

literally this chat
been gone from here for this exact reason, dont burdon yourself too much over this situation

[frozen granite]

Wow they are fast …

On a lighter note, NJZ’s followers skyrocketed after the injunction results

[potent lichen]

Online hate doesn’t translate to real life. These same haters will still buy concert tickets and merch to support

[frozen granite]

Omg I’m ugly crying

[rain spade]

ttrue lmao

[rain spade]

whatt's thte word? contradictting themselves?

[jade jolt]

Does anyone have the full article?

[red thorn]

Scroll up
Time article

[jade jolt]

Thank you

[warm void]

*x -c https://x.com/UpdatesNewJeans/status/1903118720802619453

[harsh dove]

@UpdatesNewJeans <t:1742573835:d>

times article

#NewJeans #뉴진스 #NJZ

[mental lynx]

is that the interview dani talked about on her live?

[tardy smelt]

no

[prisma nova]

Wait I’m so confused what happened

[mental lynx]

seems like it tho

[tardy smelt]

this is a response to the injunction verdict. the interview dani talked about supposedly talks about their trainee experiences and other stuff.

[polar owl]

The article is great.

[prisma nova]

What was the verdict

[tardy smelt]

straight loss

[polar owl]

Court wanted them to go back to the slaughter house

[mental lynx]

ah ok

[prisma nova]

Gosh so what’s gonna happen now

[frozen granite]

We keep fighting 💪🏻

[mental lynx]

yes we keep fighting

[tardy smelt]

i spent the entire day processing my thoughts. i've just read their stories and time interview. the future is uncertain and i have no confidence. nevertheless, i'll still be here to support them every step of the way.

[rain spade]

did ador actually say this...the heck

[waxen musk]

Yeah it's in the video too. ADOR is not giving them an option, and the girls won't accept it regardless.

[frozen granite]

so the main lawsuit can take 1-3 years for it to settle?

[mental lynx]

i hope they win, guys i hate hybe and ador, didnt mean to send a png oops

[waxen musk]

It's nice to hear how strong they're being and caring about Bunnies (every time it's crazy they say things like this), but I do really wonder how this fight will play out. For sure I can see the main lawsuit really analysing Hybe's claims (their lies) in a way this injunction did not, but I just wonder what the girls will be doing between court sessions. That's what I worry about. But maybe I shouldn't.

[polar owl]

Let's trust them. They are fighting till the end

[waxen musk]

I only have confidence in knowing the injunction just listened to Hybe without any proof. The main lawsuit will legally have to prove or disprove all their points, they can't just accept their arguments quickly like this injunction did.

[frozen granite]

I just wonder if they’ll make a ruling in April or will it take years? I mean wouldn’t that be illegal as well?

[mental lynx]

so but they cant perform international ? unless its under ador? or am i understanding something wrong , i know they will perform on sunday

[waxen musk]

It depends on their contracts and if the girls feel willing to continue to break those contracts or not. I don't know why some people are so certain about the ability to do things overseas.

[short laurel]

girls team are objecting the injunction so dw

[frozen granite]

I just don’t want them to be shelved for years until this settles that is my concern

[short laurel]

we'll know after the next hearing of the injunction that they objected

quickest way is to get some big proof leaked from hybe that show bsh wanted to sobtage girls.

[mental lynx]

I hope they got this, they will win, good always wins!!

[waxen musk]

This objection is not something I have a good idea how it happens. I'm not sure on the steps of the objection and how long it takes and what how in depth the reconsiderations from the judge might be

[short laurel]

just more hearing on the injunction. result will be quick

[waxen musk]

Considering the judge already quickly looked at what Hybe had to say and just believed it outright without verifying any of it, how can things change after this objection?

[short laurel]

depends on how njz side present their argument. we'll have to c

[polar owl]

Will be a different judge, probably.

[waxen musk]

Well anyway at least there's still hope for a short term change. Some hope. Not a lot of hope.
There was always hope that the main lawsuit would conclude very differently from the injunction, but the reactions from everyone including me is just the dread of having to be patient, basically. We're (I'm) just complaining about the pain of waiting.

[frozen granite]

Same

[waxen musk]

I hope we won't be left in the dark too. I imagine we very well could be for a bit.
I only say that because not knowing how the girls are holding up is tough.
At least they updated us already.

[frozen granite]

What are the chances of the judge making a decision in April ?

[polar owl]

The decision will not be made in haste

[hot girder]

https://vxtwitter.com/dollphams/status/1903124203395518668?t=snrXYPaemLQXeLzEcZsCBw&s=19

[waxen musk]

She said she was crying during her last live that was talking about this interview.

[fast cobalt]

Yeah

[stiff prairie]

guys how u coping everyone?

[frozen granite]

Bad

[hot girder]

It hurts to hear dani like this

[waxen musk]

I'm fine. Just confused more than anything to be honest.

[stiff prairie]

wait when was this?

[hot girder]

https://youtu.be/8Rq4c4IEurE?si=Y-OfzZo-i3BDcZDV

[waxen musk]

Did you notice they showed Kiss of Life in the video again? I think they (or someone else) did the in a video before, too.

[stiff prairie]

and what is this appeal vs objection thing i'm seeing? what's the difference

[waxen musk]

Not sure. In my mind they're very similar things. I need someone to explain that too.

[polar owl]

You cannot appeal to interim orders. It's a technicality

You have to object, it will be heard by the same court, maybe a different judge

[stiff prairie]

interim orders as in injunction ruling?

[storm warren]

appeal goes to higher court

[stiff prairie]

and do we have a time frame on it? when this objection hearing starts or verdict comes thru?

[storm warren]

objection asks the oned who rules now to change it based on new evidence ig

[stiff prairie]

so u can either object or appeal on today's ruling and njz chose the former one? or is objecting the only way to go

[polar owl]

Korean media would not have done this

[hollow sorrel]

they are really changing the idol industry

love them or hate them in 10+ years we will all look back and say they were right and this was very much needed

[polar owl]

Appeal is not possible according to knetz. I am not an expert

[stiff prairie]

okay thanks for the info. i'd doom about the objection and what might happen on that but today i chose not to spread my pessimism. let's just hope for the best and keep supporting the girls thru and thru till the end

[waxen musk]

It was never their intention to do anything about the K-pop industry as a whole. They're just trying to do their thing.

[stiff prairie]

btw can anyone give me a rundown of what new things happened? besides the time interview?

[sly python]

regardless of the outcome, the light they have shed on the industry is already setting a precedent

[hot girder]

Neverrr!

[waxen musk]

I hate to say it but have we found out anything really all that new that we didn't already know to some degree. We already knew it was fucked up. We're just getting new examples.

I'm glad they're not just accepting it, obviously.

It is important just how much visibility this has brought to the issues though.

[polar owl]

Ador will try to break their will, divide them. But NJZ is not going down. They are not going to compromise it appears.

[waxen musk]

They've shown literally zero signs of becoming divided thoughout from the start and even now. That's very reassuring.

[tardy smelt]

i'm typically optimistic, but even i think the objection won't change anything for us. the 1.5 year hiatus we dreaded from the start seems more real than ever.

[waxen musk]

I can still see ADOR really trying to get the girls back and maybe even accepting some compromises that the didn't back when the girls asked for some. But it's too late. The girls should not nor do I expect them to compromise with ADOR.

[polar owl]

Change for the industry or not, certainly they are not pushovers.

[stiff prairie]

broo shhh. some dooms are better kept within ourselves. i'm expecting the worst so i just hope any little win comes in our way.

[polar owl]

If their creative team is back....

[polar owl]

They are playing in HK. That's a win

[stiff prairie]

i don't claim it as a win since we knew this would go on regardless but hell yeah. one thing at a time

i hope ppl that are going there blast the entire arena screaming njz name

[tardy smelt]

i'm not expecting us to lose. i still believe we'll win at the end. it's just not realistic to expect any short term wins anymore. aside from complexcon.

[polar owl]

It will be interesting to see Ador trying to take control of the event. The logistics and backend team supporting NJZ will be there, and so will be Ador executives

[waxen musk]

A win is already not having the girls being forced to work in a place that makes them miserable. If that's all there is to it, it's still going to be better for their lives in the long run.

[copper current]

https://youtu.be/8Rq4c4IEurE?si=XfpLQ9-mL0PuKrXD

[stiff prairie]

yeah but that's in the future not rn

[copper current]

watch this guys, please spread this

[polar owl]

They are not going back to Ador

[waxen musk]

I know. Said it 1000s of times.

[polar owl]

Sad to see Modani almost cry

[copper current]

That is why we have to stay behind them, we have to fight guys for them and for all the bullied people

I just hope all bunnies don't give up

[polar owl]

Knetz need to be on the ground. Not sure how is the support there.

[short laurel]

Me: took deep breath and scroll down to comment section.
top few comments positive. still too scared to scroll more.

[waxen musk]

I don't see my Twitter being negative. Everyone's coping and hoping. People at least not spreading the assumed hate that I've been able to avoid.

[short laurel]

this youtube video comment is surprisingly all supportive.

[polar owl]

The YT comments on Times are all positive and supportive

[tardy smelt]

it's a win if that's how you view it. but rn, i don't really see it that way. we're in a situation that's as suffocating as September rn.

[waxen musk]

Main chat is turning a bit shit.

[stiff prairie]

no mods to check on it

[olive tulip]

I predicted this happening but delusional stans didn’t believe me lol

[copper current]

No one can force anyone to work for them. That is basic violation of human rights, NJZ are smart. They were stabbed and hurt by Fraudor, it would be insance to go back to that slaughter house one more time. This time they will be roasted if they are there.

[rain spade]

Not giving up

[stiff prairie]

so what's the point. ppl were happy last few months. those who have cope left will still have smth to look forward to. dooming since day 1 doesn't help anyone

[waxen musk]

It's a simple fact that it's not over yet. The courts still have to go through the process of the objection and the main lawsuit.
You said they ruined their careers. Maybe they will end up ruining their careers. But it will only be temporary.
And maybe they're happier not working for ADOR even if it means they can't work as K-pop idols any more.

[olive tulip]

You guys can believe whatever, they’re doomed as artists. No more Reputation

[rain spade]

Who says ?

[polar owl]

That's a very narrow field of view

[stiff prairie]

u know what. let's say that you're right. and we still support them thru the end. is it wrong to do so?

[polar owl]

They are bigger artists than before

[sly python]

ruined reputation when they are still being seen hanging with other idols + attending events etc.?

[waxen musk]

It's funny people still thinking of these girls as being criminals and actually harming people or something lol.

[tardy smelt]

i really don't give a fuck about your opinion. if they got one fan that fan is me 🗣️

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/tamitokkii/status/1903087264428916988

[narrow seal]

250321 tatami୨ৎ (@​tamitokkii) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/tamitokkii/status/1903087264428916988
Am I the only one not stressing about njz career? Bc I have this feeling that the whole universe is in their side & everything will be alright. Trust me I've got this feeling since their predebut, I thought they'll be so loved by gp & It's true..

[short laurel]

even criminal still have large fandom supporting them. meanwhile nj only fighting for thier freedom and dignity. u saying girls are doomed is like saying they are worse than criminal.

[polar owl]

Ador trying to court them back chasing them up to Hong Kong....u say they are ruined 😅

[copper current]

and why are you still in this discord? Leave then and stop being toxic

[knotty valve]

Another asshole coming in for their stupid ass opinion lol.

[sly python]

yea their reputation has only increased amongst their peers & fans imo...its the fans who just care about getting more music/content from NJZ that are frustrated/mad

[stiff prairie]

let's keep things civil please

[short laurel]

they out lol

i saw the mod we all love(hate) come online. it's probably him. ty mod

[polar owl]

Hybe could not crush those teenagers yet. And I hope they never will be.

[sleek crest]

wow people should study the case further before posting it here

[copper current]

NJZ is like clover and grass, the more Hybe stomp on them, the stronger they are. Same as bunnies, we eat grass so we are strong

[potent lichen]

There’s a reason why all the idols are backing up and supporting NJZ

If they were pariahs they wouldn’t be interacting with the biggest names

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/bluemoon_hn/status/1903137628725424319

[narrow seal]

250321 블루 (@​bluemoon_hn) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/bluemoon_hn/status/1903137628725424319
250322 njz_official 인스타 스토리 #하니 #Hanni

다 괜찮을거예요🩵🤍
버니즈 쉽진 않지만... 오늘은 마음을 좀 내려놓고 편하게 자거나 쉴수있었으면 좋겠어요!!
나도.. 이번 무대를 준비하느라 안 그래도 조금?...정신이 없었다가 최근에 버 니즈여러분을 너무 못 챙겨준것같아서 정말 미안해요.

[hollow sorrel]

so apparently Talytokki and NJZ messaged each other on twitter and she leaked the messages?!?!? I can't defend her anymore this is really weird.
Especially how she asked them about mhj and later posted "the girls want to work with her again ASAP."

now antis are spreading it on twitter...

[waxen musk]

How is that something to no longer defend her on? I'm confused.

I haven't seen it, but it's so irrelevant to the whole sitation with the girls, don't worry about it. It's just extra drama.

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/juantokki/status/1903138664374472847

[narrow seal]

250321 1tokki (@​juantokki) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/juantokki/status/1903138664374472847
Most days, I find myself questioning why I’m here in the midst of this K-pop mess—a place that often feels like a battleground of toxicity and hypocrisy. I’ve encountered some of the most evil, heartless, and insincere people here, and it’s disheartening.

But if there’s one

[short laurel]

girls did openly said in previous interview that they want to work with mhj again in future. it's no secret/

[sly python]

source?

[sleek crest]

i looked it up and what can possibly change with that????

[vocal sable]

waitt what

[sly python]

can someone share this?

[hollow sorrel]

yes but why would she leak the messages?
(its screenshots from her perspective so I think she sent them to someone and somehow it got leaked)

[sly python]

i find it hard to believe NJZ is messaging fans to this extent

[hollow sorrel]

https://x.com/TheFlopKpop/status/1903127035935068584

Flop Kpop (@TheFlopKpop) on X

Talytokki and New Jeans met each other and used to talk in DMS too??

X · Mar 21, 2025, 4:50 PM

[vocal sable]

i knew there was some drama with taly on twitter about slurs but when did she leak these? was it like in the last hours

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/Liasshy/status/1903120504967368754

[narrow seal]

250321 Lia ✮ (@​Liasshy) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/Liasshy/status/1903120504967368754
Together always we will never stop fighting

[waxen musk]

She got hacked a month or two ago. I assume people are leaking more from that hack right now for some reason.

[vocal sable]

omg i had no clue they met tbh

[hot girder]

why now

[frozen granite]

Omg who cares about taly. let’s focus on Njz

[waxen musk]

That photo was leaked a while ago but was quickly covered up.

[potent lichen]

She was there the same time as Jason but how is it relevant

[hollow sorrel]

tbh I don't really care but about this, cause its not a big deal, but antis might think its weird that NJZ is randomly meeting fan? (although they did meet Jason the streamer too)

[waxen musk]

I know right. People really don't need to focus on this at all. It's so easy to ignore.

[frozen granite]

The more attention we bring into this the more ammunition we give antis by giving it importance

[stiff prairie]

damn this pic was leaked months ago but died down soon. ppl are bringing it up again now that taly is cought in controversy

[frozen granite]

Someone should really mod here

[waxen musk]

It's not that bad right now? What would you like moderated?

[dapper root]

yeah what do you need

[hollow sorrel]

I know this Flop Kpop account tries to paint NJZ in a negative light but they kinda fucked up by posting this the same day as injunction results since it will be overshadowed so don't pay it any mind I just thought I would share

[polar owl]

Yes, they want to work with MHJ. So what. Fu*k antis

[dapper root]

seems alright at the moment

[frozen granite]

I guess just stay on one topic. Taly is not Njz

[dapper root]

problem is this case has multiple topics

[short laurel]

ooh cmon. these chats can be easily made up. how can we be certain it's real

[dapper root]

yeah i dont care about some taly person

joe random

[potent lichen]

Idk why people dogpile and focus on MHJ when NJZ’s whole team would have been scrapped

[short laurel]

it's just meaning less twt drama to cause more fanwar

[waxen musk]

I'm still confused at what the problem even is.

[frozen granite]

The more we focus on this & I mean tokkis the more antis will make this a big deal which means Njz will be scared to interact with fans bc people will misperceive it as something else

[stiff prairie]

which chat are u talking about

[short laurel]

jealous that their idols meeting other fans.

[short laurel]

flop kpop account link above

[vocal sable]

i agree, ive already seen fandoms on twitter getting mad because they met taly who has said some racial slurs before. like how was hanni and dani supposed to know that?

[waxen musk]

Reading the comments all I see is people having a problem with NJZ associated with someone who was racist in 2014. (Not that anybody knew about this until two days ago.)

[dapper root]

yeah thats just a case of never put a fan account on a pedestal

they are just people 😭

[stiff prairie]

i don't wanna see the whole post. i'm assuming they posted chats of taly and members? i think i'll skip. is there smth concerning there?

[polar owl]

Why are we even discussing this 😅

[waxen musk]

Just look at it it only takes two second and you'll quickly realise how much it doesn't matter. I feel bad for continuing to explain it lol.

[mental lynx]

this has nothing to do with that happens with njz right now

[tardy smelt]

it's innocent. it's just the association that people are freaking out over.

[short laurel]

didn't read it all. just njz meet bunch of fans and people just finding excuses to hate on them.

[stiff prairie]

then i don't care. too many sweats

[polar owl]

They meet fans. It's even better. Do they now need to do a background check on their life and past lives?

[tardy smelt]

it's only a concern for people who decide to engage in fanwars which i could care less about

[short laurel]

when i was 16-17 year old. an american actress used to follow and talk to me and my friends and other people of her fandom. many young celebrities do that.

[vocal sable]

anyway i’m confused do the girls have to go back to the hybe building after complex con to practise there now or?

[polar owl]

NJZ could be lurking in this discord as well.

[short laurel]

||she's in detective pikachu if anyone curious||

[tardy smelt]

hell nah

[stiff prairie]

haven't been on twt whole day. i feel okay. there are ppl that have the energy to engage in fanwars or whatever i say let them exhaust themselves too. all we can do is wait now personally

[polar owl]

Will their setlist change in ComplexCon?

[short laurel]

court can't force them to work for a company they not want to. they just not have freedom to make content with 3rd party without ador permission

[stiff prairie]

there's a lot of practice and prep involved so i don't think so

[tardy smelt]

they're not forced to work with ador, they just can't do anything without permission until the main suit verdict, which they aren't going to anyway

[short laurel]

last min change is not possible. they probably will perform what they planned or remove songs at most.

[polar owl]

So, we will get the new song and probably remix of existing ones

[waxen musk]

ADOR would say that is the case I'm sure. The girls will refuse. They're not forced to, but if they don't accept, they can't work.

[short laurel]

that's why they are not goign back to hybe building 😄

[stiff prairie]

i'm still not sure if they release the new song since it goes against the injunction ruling. and my guess is ador will say we'll let u perform this if u let us copyright claim this.

[vocal sable]

i hope the performance goes well for them honestly i think the crowd is going to be really reassuring for them i hope bunnies are super loud

[golden niche]

the fight isnt over right?

[waxen musk]

lol now they're "NewJeans under ADOR" again, they can perform their old songs without issue... right? (Half joking, half not actually sure.)

[tardy smelt]

nah, we're just in limbo for an uncertain amount of time

[stiff prairie]

neverrrrr. there's appeal, main lawsuit then appeal on that a lot of things can happen.

[waxen musk]

There's the objection where the courts will look at everything again with new evidence. And the main lawsuit. So not at all.

[short laurel]

i hope complexcon be a d and not allow ador staff in.

[waxen musk]

I mean it's a private event, they can say to security keep these people out they're trespassing. Probably won't be wise, though.

[dapper root]

well its not a private event you can buy tickets

[stiff prairie]

the way ador moves like sasaeng they might have bought legit tickets too 😭

[dapper root]

cant stop any employee just buying a ticket online 😭

[golden niche]

i hope so because njz has harder time collecting evidence while hybe and the other labels have access to everything

[polar owl]

I believe that CompexCon said that they will be performing as individuals and not NJZor Newjeans

[tardy smelt]

speaking of the event, did anyone see any footage from the day 1 show 🗿

[stiff prairie]

oh yeah did we not get anything out of there? who was today zico or metro?

[tardy smelt]

metro

[short laurel]

can person with regular ol ticket even go backstage. they would need a pass

[waxen musk]

They can stop anyone you want even if they have a ticket. Anyway you know what I mean lol. I don't see it happening I was half joking anyway.

[tardy smelt]

i wanna know if they were strict about recordings

[dapper root]

why would they wanna be backstage

[stiff prairie]

i just remembered haven't been on socials today so i wouldn't know even if fancam got out

[short laurel]

ador staff not want to be backstage to help prepare girls for performance as ador claims ?

[stiff prairie]

to oversee the whole thing. ador staff are not just gonna enjoy the show there are they lol

[frozen granite]

How I’m coping

[unborn arrow]

nah lots of them were recording

[tardy smelt]

let's gooo

[stiff prairie]

my guess is the main thing they'll do is look into logistics of it. how much are the girls getting paid, how much merch is being sold etc

[short laurel]

and try to get a cut from it.

[stiff prairie]

goat yl back with good news again

[polar owl]

Ador cannot certainly take over the backroom staff. They are there to do I don't know what

[short laurel]

that's assuming complexcon allow them.

[waxen musk]

Anyway what I meant to say earlier is that a ticket doesn't give anyone the right to attend. It's up to the venue.

[tardy smelt]

according to ADOR, to make sure they perform as "NewJeans", literally their only purpose

[fast snow]

"hey dad how was being a bunny in 2024/25?"

[stiff prairie]

if i were complex i'd give them a nice room to rest in, give them good food and baby them into forgetting about main issues.

[polar owl]

And how exactly? 😅

[tardy smelt]

fuck if i know

[fast snow]

I'll sit my kid down and tell em a grand tale

[polar owl]

Exactly, they can't do anything in an event already planned out

[vocal sable]

thats so real as someone who become a tokki when njz debuted like its been crazy 😭😭

[stiff prairie]

bro honestly i might have jinxed the girls. everything i support goes sideways. the football club i support doesn't win titles, the shows i watch gets canceled and now the one an only kpop group i stan is facing this. i'm sorry guys

[subtle matrix]

Do you have a source for this btw? The lv compensation. I'm trying to find it

[polar owl]

Don't be hard on yourself

[frozen granite]

Maybe wish the best for HYBE to break the jinx ?

[short laurel]

look up 1st injunction of MHJ cas.e it's somewhere in pins.

[fast snow]

Honestly I'm used to being disappointed we're a historic club but struggle like a low table club and my nba team well it just does what it does

[polar owl]

Listening to Hurt.

[stiff prairie]

nah i'm okay. saying self hating things is one of my coping mechanisms

[potent lichen]

I have OMG on loop to cheer myself up

[frozen granite]

https://tenor.com/view/im-in-pain-in-pain-smile-in-pain-smile-smiling-gif-18066299585040775223

[stiff prairie]

do u support arsenal by any chance?

[fast snow]

Nope worse United

[frozen granite]

I think we need to normalize slapping BSH

[stiff prairie]

that's my only cope on football. at least we're not utd or spurs

[fast snow]

I'm a Bucks fan aswell in the NBA and well since our title in 2021 its been downhill

[stiff prairie]

we haven't even done that once!!

[polar owl]

If it makes you feel better, I didn't mean it 😉

[frozen granite]

Then let’s normalize it !!! we all say in unison

[stiff prairie]

i don't watch the nba so can't sympathize on that

[fast snow]

Fair

[frozen granite]

I just want to slap his greasy cheeks but scared my hand might break agh I hate that man so much

[stiff prairie]

bro in oder to normalize it we need to do it on a constant basis first

[thorn junco]

guys can someone tell me what is likely to happen now 😭😭 my girlsss can they appeal this or smth

[short laurel]

they are objecting it.

[frozen granite]

HYBE literally fumbled the bag with NJZ

[quartz creek]

Put the fries in the bag HYBE

[short laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/phoenix-wright-objection-gif-13083065649954242952

[thorn junco]

but like legally can they appeal thiss ☹️

[short laurel]

they are legally objecting the ruling. there will be another hearing with new evidence.

[thorn junco]

oo ok tysm im so slow lmaoo im not good with law stuff ngl 😭😭

[frozen granite]

I need copium

[night niche]

in case anyone is stressing about the court ruling today, just know that huge artists such as taylor swift (ironically, the ceo of hybe america is the one who caused her to re-record all her older albums), mariah carey, ariana grande, lady gaga, and a lot of other artists in this music industry have suffered through major record label disputes. but despite all of what they went through, they are extremely successful despite all the media sabotage they went through (ESPECIALLY lady gaga and mariah carey), rn were just actively seeing the process of this happening. this is a major industry wide problem, and NJZ is really bringing up the conversation about record labels vs. an artists autonomy.

[tardy smelt]

y'know what, doom phase is done, i got over it we ball, i've got plenty more it is what it is's left in me

[dusk pine]

is just weird to me how court completely ruled in ador favor and din't not take in count any of njz concerns and arguments

[polar owl]

US vs SK - fans approach artists differently is the worry

No one stans universal music or what

[dapper root]

see the thing about courts they gotta hear both sides and make a decision

kinda how it works

[night niche]

yes, south koreas judiciary has a problem with legitimacy when it comes to cases with major corporation and companies. they tend to let political elites and major companies slide. this is smth im actually studying in one of my government classes

[hazy gate]

I want to cry, I just want them to be free and happy doing things the way they want

[short laurel]

even in SK no one stans label. even in hybe case karmy not stan hybe. it's all western army 🤣

[night niche]

one things that kind of baffling to me is how much support NJZ is getting in korea vs. internationally, a lot of knets are up in arms rn and then theres #those fandoms internationally…

[dusk pine]

yh but they reject all grounds for njz contract termination even the 14 days to address their concerns that they can terminate if not addressed... just weird

[polar owl]

Home support is good to see

[night niche]

but the good thing is, if you explain NJZ’s situation to a normal person/locals they’re completely up in arms, which is good hope if they decide to become global

[opaque torrent]

https://x.com/thegreatgaram/status/1903148320962515137?s=46

XOXO 🤍 GG (@thegreatgaram) on X

Things more worrisome & ⁉️than the injunction

- ppl speculating/making up hypotheticals to freak out to

- dumb fandom drama & fights with antis. This is about NJZ vs HYBE/ADOR, *not* you vs Armys/fearnots/glittz

- ppl acting like it’s the end when it’s the beginning

X · Mar 21, 2025, 6:14 PM

[polar owl]

Arab Spring moment or not, I will never like another set of artists more for their courage

[night niche]

this!! in my research abt music/record labels vs artists, i’ve come to see that this is a pretty normal start. this is not the end, but the beginning

[waxen musk]

Yeah yeah. I said it before and failed to learn from what I told everyone before, but seriously just waiting and gaining a better understand really calms everyone down a lot. We'll look back in a week just like we did a week ago and realise everyone was freaking out for no reason.
It's hard not to react and be in the middle of everyone freaking out and feel the same way.
It's already gotten better over half a day.

[hot girder]

true

[polar owl]

I feel much better now than when the injunction came out. It's not all gloom and doom. Trust the process and let these things work out for their good.

[tardy smelt]

yeah, my optimism is kicking in again for some reason

[waxen musk]

There's reason to be optimistic about the overall result.
The real horrible part of it is just temporary.

[night niche]

im glad you guys are all feeling much more optimistic 🙂

[waxen musk]

And how temporary seems to be completely unknown right now, unfortunately. I think we'll know better what to expect pretty soon though, regarding the objection process.

[upbeat stream]

At any rate, this is still only the second worst day in tokkiville for me. I don't feel as awful as I did on May 17th last year for some reason

[stiff prairie]

We get used to it bit by bit innit

[frozen granite]

I guess it sucks that it paints NJZ as liars for rn well in the eyes of others

[upbeat stream]

Right now, there's a feeling that whatever happens, we'll deal with it. Plus, I was not at all confident about the injunction being rejected on March 7th, only in the last few days, some journalists and k-tokkis made me too hopeful

[frozen granite]

I too was confident they’d win

[copper jetty]

There's a lot of yapping here. Are we still doom posting?

[waxen musk]

No we're copium posting.

[copper current]

I am on the opposite, I always praise myself because I love myself, after I love myself then I can love my family and friends and NJZ

[night niche]

nope, we’re being hopeful and realistic here

[lyric geyser]

Because they should

[night niche]

they should’ve but unfortunately sk judiciary has problems

[frozen granite]

I am trying to be hopeful but yall this literally sucks like we were supposed to be rejoicing rn

[night niche]

when it comes to its legitimacy in cases against large companies

[night niche]

looks at the cases of taylor swift and mariah carey, they’ll give you a lot of hope

[copper jetty]

Yeah I was supposed to be having a celebration drinking.... now there's no celebration and mostly drinking what I feel about them not winning.

[polar owl]

Drinking doesn't need any excuse..😅

[copper jetty]

Touché... but it would've been happier if they won

[frozen granite]

Yeah I guess, I just hope the good prevails at the end

[polar owl]

Of course, we will win another day

[night niche]

😭

[frozen granite]

& my biggest wish is for Njz not to get shelved after this tbh

[night niche]

i have a feeling NJZ may go global

[craggy skiff]

Well... I must say I have a bad feeling since dani declared that they will win in the interview
It is a big flag in my opinion

[stiff prairie]

guys good night. i skipped a bit but some of u went the whole day thinking about. take care of your mental health as well. let's keep supporting them thru whatever good or bad that might follow the future. best wishes for njz

[craggy skiff]

Joking around. After trauma, now I come to accept stage
Everything no matter now

[frozen granite]

That’s my main concern, seems like they have their arms twisted rn they can’t sign deals with anyone or anything while this gets resolved & who knows when this will …. It might take years

[copper jetty]

Good night cake!! We'll keep watch if any of those people come again.

[frozen granite]

antis came ?

[night niche]

good night, take care of yourself 💛

[copper jetty]

Yeah... some of the in the above messages. Yow...

[night niche]

was there a discord server attack or smth?

[frozen granite]

Oh .. don’t even want to see them

[stiff prairie]

tbh i didn't see as much as i thought i would

[craggy skiff]

Rat is everywhere

[waxen musk]

Looking for trips to Barcelona next so I can go see where they filmed Hype Boy. (At least my mum is.) Hope everyone else can find things to take their mind off everything for a bit and enjoy other things.

[copper jetty]

True. Most ignored it anyway and the mods kicked them or they left.

[night niche]

rats always chewing holes through spaces…

[night niche]

ahh im actually going to spain this summer, im hoping i can visit there as well

[copper jetty]

Imma just play Mario kart. Maybe I can recognize hanni username in other players.

[waxen musk]

My mum has been wanting to go somewhere for weeks lol. She wants to drag me along somewhere and I suggested Barcelona.

[frozen granite]

Does anyone have some feedback or speculations to how they can keep singing or ?

[copper jetty]

Nobody does. Unless they go back to Ador and we know how the girls feel about that.

[waxen musk]

Payed for teh Ubisoft+ subscription (£15) earlier today to play AC Shadows. Off to a slow start but should help too. Got it before thinking about going to Spain lol. (Waste of 1 week of the subscription.)

[craggy skiff]

Sound good. Wait for some pics i hope

[waxen musk]

Dunno if it's happening yet lol. But hopefully.

[night niche]

this injunction only affects them in south korea, the girls were smart and decided to have their debut performance in hong kong, as for right now as long as they’re outside south korea ADOR can’t touch em

because the courts don’t have jurisdiction outside the country

[polar owl]

This is not certain, btw

[frozen granite]

Can they sign deals or with brand outside SK?

[night niche]

yeah, but unless ador wants to cause international tensions with other countries they’ll leave them alone as long as they’re outside the country

[copper jetty]

Nice! Just play it on steam deck, pop it while on the plane.

[polar owl]

They can be charged for violation when they are back in SK

[waxen musk]

Don't have one lol. Don't think it'll run on one even if I did though.

[night niche]

that’s if they even decide to come back…

[craggy skiff]

I spent this night playing games instead of lurking in social media.
Somehow the generator gave me a random character name with "jeans" and another bad word
What a coincidence

[polar owl]

Why would they leave their home?

[copper jetty]

AC shadows i think is steam deck verified so u can.

[waxen musk]

Surprised

[subtle matrix]

I've read through the ruling of the injunction but I don't think there's any mention of the lv deal there

[night niche]

yes 🙂 but i think they’re going to wait until everything is settled with the courts before they continue, we’ll just have to wait and see because how this will play out depends on that, but just know whether they win or lose, they can still find a way produce music

[copper jetty]

Same. I didn't want to check x. I only come here to see if there's anything new.

[short laurel]

It was somewhere. Ask someone else. Tooo many things happened last year

[copper jetty]

I haven't read the full ruling. Is it out yet or is it still bits and pieces in the media?

[night niche]

that’s what i was thinking. but if all things come to pass, going global might be the best option depending on what happens

[short laurel]

They are asking about lv thing where hybe had to pay 3 month of money to ador.

[copper jetty]

Yeah. If korea doesn't want them, let us international fans have them.

[copper jetty]

Yeah but Sejeong mentioned it in this injunction and yet somehow I haven't read anything about it in the news and bits and pieces that's coming out.

[short laurel]

They are asking about it from last year. Not the current one

[abstract herald]

Sorry to bother but I was wondering if anyone could give a quick summary of what’s happened im a bit confused and I want to make sure im spreading the right information

[copper jetty]

Oh... then my bad..

[night niche]

https://x.com/juantokki/status/1902973859558723848

[short laurel]

Where are the full details of that case any Idea?

[jade jolt]

I went there last year unfortunately the amusement park where hybe boy was filmed was closed but the scenary was really pretty i hope you enjoy your holiday

[night niche]

i recommend you guys read this post to get up to date

[copper jetty]

The first injunction?

[short laurel]

They said they not c it in 1st injunction doc so i m confused lol

Someone gotta summarise everything that happened so far since the beginning. N i not trust myself for it.

[abstract herald]

Thank you for this it was really helpful

[frozen granite]

Ok so this is my theory i think NJZ’s performance will be the catapult for something. Idk. Maybe there will trigger even more global demand for them to continue their activities

[copper jetty]

https://x.com/juantokki/status/1797493677423841521?t=XvvyVSYqGzVDsDbQj2_N6Q&s=33

1tokki (@juantokki) on X

[English Translation]
Official Court Ruling: MHJ Injunction (19 pages)

source: https://t.co/XwrhYM5Lq2

X · Jun 3, 2024, 5:01 AM

@short laurel 1st injunction ruling

[mild mist]

and if you don't have a twitter account, swap x.com for xcancel.com

[shrewd badger]

I think so too

I hope their Hong Kong performance goes viral 🙏

[night niche]

ofc!

[copper jetty]

Guys don't forget to vote.

https://open.spotify.com/playlist/37i9dQZF1Fj65HC1I94Oyx?si=jb3tDd3bRO-4y0C_DB18Ag&fallback=getapp&pi=jUbGYYQWRmiy3

[abstract herald]

So basically NJZ should object and gather even more evidence in order to have the injunction removed or at least softened, and then if they win the main lawsuit they’ll be free and their contracts will be recognized as legally valid ?

[subtle matrix]

I was talking about the first injunction (when the court ruled in MHJ's favour that HYBE couldn't remove her) because someone mentioned the injunction also proved the LV deal stuff but apparently that's not true

[mild mist]

didn't the louis vitton thing come from the min heejin press conference?

[subtle matrix]

Idr if she first mentioned it there

[copper jetty]

Ok. I thought it was the recent ruling which we only got bits and pieces of off the media.

I thought they released the whole ruling.

[subtle matrix]

In July some websites published some excerpts from a supposed court ruling, saying that HYBE had compensated ADOR because of the LSF/LV thing

But I haven't found any legit publications reporting this, and since HYBE is publicly traded I think they would have to report it publicly if this actually went to court

[short laurel]

Honestly i could be mixing things up. But i remember everyone saying it was proven not ling ago.

[copper jetty]

Which is weird cause I specifically remember reading about it...

[subtle matrix]

I've seen it in some websites so you have read it most likely

[short laurel]

Like i remember there being official news about it. But there's soooo much happened. Ull have to re read everything from april last year to have complete picture

[subtle matrix]

https://kbizoom.com/evidence-revealed-hybe-stole-newjeans-louis-vuitton-deal-for-le-sserafim/

This is one of the articles that you probably read. It's reporting that the leaked document was posted in korean forums (theqoo)

[copper jetty]

Guys goodnight too.. or in my case good evening lmao. I'm going to sleep at 3 pm. I haven't slept since 8 pm last night because of this news.

[copper current]

We need to spread this https://youtu.be/-LrJ0p1ncG4?si=ScNXJ_6VRQ_AzMOj

[short laurel]

Leaked documents came way later. But maybe it was this. Since documents came directly from national assembly investigation. It should work as proof.

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/bunnydanidang/status/1902980857956274420

[narrow seal]

250321 🥕당근이Z (@​bunnydanidang) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/bunnydanidang/status/1902980857956274420
NJZ’s choice isn’t about fighting back. It’s about proving what’s right.
Appealing is saying “no.”
Filing an objection is saying “here’s why.”
They didn’t respond with anger
they chose to stand with truth, with facts, with grace.
Because at the heart of everything,
NJZ is always

[night niche]

guys, what even happened with taly? the only thing i’ve seen people talk about is her having racist tweets over a decade ago and supposedly being an “anti” is that all that happened or am i missing something

[short laurel]

Nothing just drama unrelated to njz. Ignore it.

Both sides using njz to fight their little drama.

[night niche]

~t https://x.com/zipjns/status/1903154640461480340

[narrow seal]

250321 mads 🪽 (@​zipjns) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/zipjns/status/1903154640461480340
dark days in tokki history chart:
june 25, 23 (-1)
april 24, 24 (=)
sept 11, 24 (OUT)
nov 28, 24 (=)
march 21, 25 (NEW)

[night niche]

assumed so, people are saying a bunch of things without giving any context

[tired cairn]

@waxen musk i'm always so thankful to see your thoughts in this channel. thanks for keeping things positive here

[waxen musk]

Thanks I guess. It's not always positive from me lol.

[tired cairn]

not always, but you steer it that way when it becomes too much doom posting

[sly python]

needed a shitpost like this thank u xD

[glossy siren]

It's hard to get a grasp on the situation because people in the same fandom are all over the place with their emotions. I said, 'Death threats are wrong,' and a fellow Tokki responded, "Are you defending her??? You don't care about the girls."

[sly python]

where were you on March 21, 2025?

[tired cairn]

i like pancakes -> you don't like waffles??
people are weird about these things

[night niche]

i still remember when the eta trailer first came out… oh boy

[glossy siren]

I think people just can't grasp the idea that behind an account many time there is a functioning person

[tired cairn]

that also

[sly python]

take me back to the ditto era

[waxen musk]

Could say the same about idols.

[waxen musk]

Was you there from debut. I heard you say on stream I think. I’m jealous

[sly python]

yea i saw when they dropped their MV for attention on twitter & became a fan

the iconic bernice album cover caught my eye

[night niche]

i saw attention on youtube and didn’t realize it even a debut video.. i thought it was some sort of project 😭

[glossy siren]

and even if you think somebody, IN YOUR DAMN FANDOM, is saying something you strongly don't agree on, what about having an healthy discussion instead of jumping to conclusions after one post? maybe through the comments the op changed idea, maybe not, look, ask...but gosh guys at that " you don't care about the girls" I was like "EXCUSE ME MR NOBODY WHAT!?"

[waxen musk]

Someone else posted a reactor earlier on here from the literal moment all the debut EP MVs dropped and seeing his reactions is pretty amazing. Just his realisation over the course of the week over how momentous this is.

[sly python]

i wasnt into kpop & the debut changed that for me

[glossy siren]

your kpop awakening

[waxen musk]

Same but discovering Ditto and everything else just randomly in March 2023.

[sly python]

yea it just looked & sounded so fun & and the rest is history

[glossy siren]

as a mhj fan I was on board as soon as she announced she was producing a group predebut diva here

[tired cairn]

it was weird to become a fan during hyein's absence
-# maybe even more so with everything that happened quite soon after

[glossy siren]

you skipped the cookie dark times, not bad to be honest

gosh, I need a cookie reinassance, its revenge arc

[night niche]

bro 😭 the memories

[stone grotto]

I may be a little late but this injunction unless overturned could last for a good while until we get the end of their contract termination validity trial right?

[sly python]

that was a great era, albeit i wasnt a huge fan of the singles originally

everyone was wearing bootleg bunny ear hats...good times

the cookie drama felt so forced, it was such a low hanging fruit type argument

[tired cairn]

i feel weird about the cookie song, but I think it's also because cookies are just not actual meals and they're singing like it is. And i know the metaphor for 🍪 = 💿, but it still breaks me lol

[night niche]

guys, i slightly mentioned this before but wow does NJZ current situation really mirrors what mariah carey went through in her early days almost perfectly

mariah’s abusive ex husband was literally the CEO of her record label, you can guess what happened after

[upbeat stream]

Do people think of Nov 28 as a dark day? I remember we were quite happy, even celebrating

[night niche]

the media play, trying to take away her autonomy as an artist, and take away her creative freedom, but look at where she is now

[glossy siren]

the cookie scandal developed from people not understanding cultural differences, globalization twisted many people's mind into thinking their reality is everyone's reality

like 2 koreans and 1 swedish lyricists should know about american slangs?

so forced

[night niche]

and even older americans / people in the west understood the lyrics because “baking cds” is what they did back then

[tired cairn]

I mean… i feel there is an obligation to research words and determine whether there's a risk. I think the rest of the song should invalidate the entire argument though, so it's too silly

[glossy siren]

I'd love for the comment section of cookie MV to be cleaned up, and all the articles...so sad to see such a gorgeous creation defamed like that

[waxen musk]

Cookie's been rising up my list over the past few months.

[night niche]

fr i get disappointed at the top comments whenever i watch the m/v

[sly python]

Cookie is still my favorite from the debut album

the vocal tones are so catchy & energetic

• the live rock version is saurrrr good

[upbeat stream]

Even a lot of native speakers didn't know, as long as they are not American

[cerulean coral]

Am i the only person who's first njz song was hurt ?

[glossy siren]

it's just saddening that if you look for cookie, the defamation campaign is everything you find at first glance

[upbeat stream]

There are 2 English speakers in the group, if they felt something was wrong with Cookie, they would've raised the issue with mhj

[glossy siren]

yes, this. 2 native english speaking girls. with english speaking parents. people just don't like to take a step back

[sly python]

I didnt like Hurt at first since it was so different from everything else they put out at the time

[upbeat stream]

Not my first but it's my favorite. Especially the 250 remix

The outro is exquisite

[shrewd badger]

Mine was gods

[night niche]

guys im so excited for sunday bro 😭

[tired cairn]

i like gods, but it's a controversial song isn't it?

[shrewd badger]

Aka the best njz song tied with supernatural

[night niche]

lmao what was your reaction to the rest of their catalog then 😭

[tired cairn]

anyway, this is getting a bit far away from the point of the channel, maybe we should move to #newjeans-chat ?
-# i like it here though, it's secret

[cerulean coral]

It feels different for me than most people cuz i first heard hurt as soon as it was out on YouTube i remember playing the mv on the tv all day and i spent like 2 weeks just spam listening to hurt then newjeans was trending everywhere so i heard cookie and hypeboy they were my favs then

[abstract herald]

SAME HK BUNNIES BETTER COME THROUGH WITH VIDEOS 💔💔

[sly python]

NJZ nostalgia <3

[shrewd badger]

Why 😭

[tired cairn]

controversially liked (i.e. liked or genuinely disliked)
terrible word choice on my part

[sly python]

remember when phoning was free???

[night niche]

YES

[shrewd badger]

Ohhh i see , as a deft fan (main charcters in music video of gods) I loved it

[night niche]

fr bro 😭

[sly python]

or when the ban heeso channel was originally found...good timess

[storm warren]

https://x.com/aecendio/status/1903177163920060914

pls help rate community note as NOT helpful. antis trying

. (@aecendio) on X

URGENTLY RATE THIS NOTE ABOUT NJZ AS UNHELPFUL 🚨🚨🚨🚨

https://t.co/oggtx4W0K6

X · Mar 21, 2025, 8:09 PM

pick 2-3 choices

[night niche]

thanks for sharing this

[frosty echo]

league enjoyer?

[shut kelp]

ggs this fandom is cooked

[flint stone]

what happened?

[shut kelp]

everything thats going on rn on twitter lol

[frozen granite]

Twitter is stupid stay off there

[shut kelp]

looks like jealous to me

[onyx hearth]

Newjeans lost the lawsuit in court

[lyric geyser]

Fr, I feel bad of Talytokki

[shut kelp]

lol dont say that name some tokkis will attack u 😂

[lyric geyser]

The poor girl man

[frozen granite]

I just sent her a heartwarming message

[flint stone]

just ignore or block, i decided to not read anything in twitter today

[shut kelp]

i rarely use my njz account i only go on it when theres new court news

[tired cairn]

if you're ignoring social media it's way easier to stay positive. i recommend every time

[onyx hearth]

I hate how ppl are so mean saying NEWJEANS should’ve known better like SHUT UP

[night niche]

they didn’t

[shut kelp]

so i also saw w.e that shit was going on

[frozen granite]

I swear to god something good better happen soon 🔜 or im going to crash out

[night niche]

they just lost the injunction not the actual lawsuit

[shut kelp]

u have tokkis going against tokkis, this fandom is cooked put the fries in the bag

[lyric geyser]

Nothing good as happen in 2025

[storm warren]

cyber bulling on twt is insane. cant our fandom hype TIME article instead of having meltdown over non issue

[onyx hearth]

Doesn’t that still affect them

[storm warren]

#priorities ig. they create drama every week

[tired cairn]

-# discord should fix this and ™️ being unreadable cause they're black on black oh they fixed tm already

[night niche]

only if they’re in south korea

[upbeat stream]

It's insane that tokkis aren't even talking about the interview on my tl

[onyx hearth]

Ok so yeah😭

[shut kelp]

we have a more serious situation with the girls and everyone wanna go attack each other

[storm warren]

theyre busy bullying some account

[upbeat stream]

Such an important one too

[night niche]

block button is the most useful thing on twitter , this happens with all fandoms on that app and it’s ridiculous

[shut kelp]

eh i've been doing it as right now

[night niche]

EXACTLY!!

[onyx hearth]

I wanna know why ppl think mhj is a bad person like where did this come from

[hot girder]

I think tokki should definitely talk about the recent interview, but let's not act like a weirdo using her ties with NJZ to have an entire fandom protecting her is not bad. She's been using her meet with them so other tokki wouldn't speak up about her odd behavior

[frozen granite]

Imagine Njz would’ve won man we would’ve known peace

[tired cairn]

i also recommend blue blocker. it makes it a lot easier since trolls tend to buy premium for some reason

[shut kelp]

its literally that taly situation all over my timeline thats all there talking about that shit can be resolve in DMS but no they wanna make it public

[hot girder]

it's public because it couldn't get sorted out in dms. it's really not too hard to grasp

[storm warren]

the most disappointing is that such drama happens literally every week. fandom is genuinely weird idk. they feel so self important on twt, doing messy spaces and policing others

[onyx hearth]

I just hope they get through this

[night niche]

kpop twt is a hellhole in every fandom

[storm warren]

they need to touch grass genuinely

[upbeat stream]

Just talk about things that are more important, which is obviously the time interview right now

Dani in tears breaks my heart

[hot girder]

she was trying to blackmail others using njz's messages and photo with her... all this because she rightfully got called a racist weirdo mind you 😭 but yeah I wish more spotlight was equally put for the TIME article and video

[night niche]

they will! so many other artists in the music industry have gone through the same crap with their record labels, and NJZ is an example of this happening in the kpop industry

[night niche]

weren’t the taly tweets from like 10 years ago though

honestly we should’ve even be talking about taly, did any of yall watch the interview the girls had

instead of worrying about a person on twt, let’s focus more on the girls 🥹

[jade jolt]

It s not that it s the fact that she spread the dms with njz and the selfie she did

[shut kelp]

i thought she sent it to ppl she trusted not some randoms?

[night niche]

she did and then they leaked

[jade jolt]

And that beside her being racist and lying about her age now she has done more harm to the girls

[hot girder]

It's not just about that, she's been specially condescending towards black tokkis

and many other things like using the girls to favor her side

[night niche]

me personally as a black tokki i haven’t read taly’s tweets on the situation so im not sure if she has

and honestly if this is even true, it’s unfortunate the fandom is focusing on someone like that instead of supporting the girls, literally what someone said above people are more focused on this instead of the more important situations at hand

[shut kelp]

i agree why spend so much energy on that when we can be spreading positivity to the girls we know they're on twitter so why give that so much energy

[abstract herald]

Exactly we’re here to support NJZ not idolize another fan I’ve seen people take the taly situation and say all tokkis are like that which is just dumb but we shouldn’t give the attention they want, the girls need us and we need to be there for them !!

[night niche]

for me honestly NJZ’s situation is especially important as a black girl, seeing the way dani talked about having to hide who she truly is and conform to standards or else she wouldn’t be able to debut. this is relatable to me because black girls often face assimilation in society and things similar to this

[frozen granite]

Can we just drop the Taly’s rumors or scandals for our fandom’s sake & also hers. Poor girl just let her move on & rest. People can change. I don’t condone what she said, but let’s just all move on (at least on this server)

[hot girder]

She's weird and black tokki who have interacted with her can confirm this. Why would you need to read her take on racism when she's pretty much guilty lol. Can't even read her tweets because she deactivated.

https://x.com/j3anies/status/1903155666484609195?t=Av4EYdzlwU5H7D_xY727Eg&s=19

bee 𖼐꒱ (@j3anies) on X

and what’s crazy is that I was so much more aggressive in these chats yet she would consistently target jhan with insults and would speak to her with an insanely demeaning tone which only pisses me off more

X · Mar 21, 2025, 6:44 PM

[lyric geyser]

The girl said a bad thing 10 years ago when she was still young, like they gotta give her a break 😭

She didn’t even say it in a offensive way

[hot girder]

It's not that she said it 10 years ago, she still a weirdo even if she hasn't used the word since. We should focus on the TIME article but that's not an excuse to turn a blind eye on what type of person she is. We do not need her kind in the fandom

[lyric geyser]

Wdym she’s a weirdo

She doesn’t radiate saseang energy dude

[potent lichen]

She’s made many videos debunking and showing info about NJZ. That’s how I know her

[hot girder]

...? You can read more on this here. It's not about being a sasaeng lol

https://x.com/j3anies/status/1903147884536533485?t=uEmdKTky4kJWfUEO-f2odQ&s=19

bee 𖼐꒱ (@j3anies) on X

X · Mar 21, 2025, 6:13 PM

[lyric geyser]

You guys are being so rough on someone who has done so much media work for NJZ

Stop biting the hand that feeds you

[night niche]

yall, i think we should focusing more on something else that isn’t taly, as a black girl navigating the world on the internet in 2025, i think it’s better to be focusing more on support than negation

[hot girder]

Media work but also using the girls on her favor. We should not let that shit slide, not now or ever

[frozen granite]

Yes please let’s focus on Njz

[abstract herald]

NJZ needs our support right now we need to make sure they stay strong and know we’re here for them

[night niche]

this is less about letting things slides more refocusing our priorities, nobody is disagreeing with you! but we should be focused on NJZ, not taly

[frozen granite]

If you guys have something to say about Taly or any other tokki can yall just dm each other ?? I’m sure most people on here would really appreciate it & just focus on Njz

[storm warren]

im glad im not involved w twt fandom and their daily dramas. distancing yourself while also being moderately updated is better. wish they could focus on njz

[frozen granite]

I promise you most of us here don’t care about Taly’s rumors or scandal, we are here for Njz only.

[hot girder]

I see your point and njz is definitely the priority, I think a few people on Twitter are forgetting about that, but I'm glad that woman is out of this fandom. When this dies down I hope everyone can get back on supporting the girls because they need it more than ever.

I think most got pissed about taly because everything about her got leaked on such a sensitive time

[frozen granite]

Just drop it or take it to your guys DMs all you want

[mild mist]

#tokki-drama-chat

[frozen granite]

The way you’d never see me there

[hot girder]

you're so special

[jade jolt]

20 years is not young she was mature enough to know that she shouldn t use the n Word but we should let this matter aside because we have other important matters that we need to focus on rn now rather than this

[hot girder]

we need her out of the fandom no discussion and get back on the usual programming

[frozen granite]

Only on the weekends

[night niche]

i understand your perspective! but the thing is, the leak was most likely purposeful bring problems into the fandom at such a sensitive time, so the more we talk about it, the more doing what the leakers want.

guys im so glad i have civil conservations in this server

[frozen granite]

& it’s working yall they are dividing us

[jade jolt]

We should just focus on the girls rn there are a lot of things to handle and we should keep positive after all

[frozen granite]

Yeah this is making me depressed lol

[jade jolt]

The good part is that we will see them at complexcom and we will probably have a live at the Airport in a couple of hours

[abstract herald]

Just gotta keep supporting one tokki doesn’t represent all of us here for the girls because they need us

[night niche]

this is also as to why media literacy is so important, im a black girl living in america and wow it is not easy, especially with the current state of things. things are purposefully put out to divide and people just eat it up. in this times it’s important to remember one person doesn’t represent a whole group of people

[hot girder]

true, just cut her off and keep supporting the girls as per usual. I don't think twitter thinks like us, though

she's a weirdo, got it. acknowledge it and stop giving her a platform (which we already did), so I don't know why this is dragging... especially when it's such a dire time for the girls

[boreal laurel]

theres millions of people in the fandom
going after some rando edgy lady over some of her old tweets
instead of focusing on trying to maintain a positive support for the girls and making sure that they dont feel like the public is giving up on them is silly

[night niche]

im so tired of seeing it on my tl 😞

guys i got so sad at the interview but it was so important

[hot girder]

boost every TIME's article tweet!! I don't think even popbase posted about it. that's how irrelevant we made it to be :/

[shrewd badger]

Just a deft fan

[shrewd badger]

True we should only be focusing on the girls right now

[tired cairn]

at least this drives away casuals looking at njztwt that would fall for misinfo otherwise

[hot girder]

dani on the verge of tears ... when she just opened to us about her experience as a trainee. she and none of the girls should be going through this

[frozen granite]

We need good news! To any entity out there please listen to us, our fandom needs a miracle we want Njz to have a phenomenal performance & draw a lot of positive attention. Send Njz our energy & strength for them to continue to fight. Please please please let the good prevail. Amen

-prayjeans

[wise wagon]

helloow ^^ im sorry im bringing this into here, its just i got on twitter for the first time because i thought id be able to get news on the situation faster, and oh my goodness the amount of vile hate and misinformation i saw from other people towards njz was genuinely disturbing

im so worried about the girls i dont want them to see any of these things

how are people okay with making such gruesome comments

and the amount of misinformation... its like they completely misunderstood the whole situation and refuse to change their minds

[frozen granite]

Please don’t share any of those comments I feel like crying lol

[hot girder]

every fandom seems to be on our throats with misinformation and vile tweets overall. it's been like this for a few months and honestly it's best to just ignore it, engaging with that type of tweet/content is going to get us nowhere, as people are quite keen on what they think is the truth. nothing will change that

[wise wagon]

i didnt engage in any of the tweets or comments at all, but just reading them was atrtocious :[

[potent lichen]

It’s easy to be a bully on the internet with your identity hidden

[jade jolt]

This has been going for over one year we just have the ignore the haters and focus on what matters now so dw about it just ignore them

[night niche]

the girls are strong, and im sure they see all the support the fandom is giving them through this time and we should continue to give that, if you guys are feeling down look through other cases where artists were having huge disputes over their record labels, and look at where they’re at now, this is just the first step, stay positive for your own mental health, and stay positive for the girls!

[wise wagon]

ive been trying my best :'D!! im in illitcord too and everybody is soo sweet towards njz, most people there are big fans!! twitter people and instagram/youtube comments people on the other hand...

[frozen granite]

Ok I think that’s enough internet for me today yall have a good day, I’ll see you guys tomorrow hopefully things are better & please please please pray for Njz & for your mental health as well. We need to be strong. This is too much for me rn. Have njz in your prayers I’ll do the same. Have a good day everyone

[wise wagon]

i think its enough internet for me too >< take care of yourself, all tokkis are in this together!!

[night niche]

please take care of yourselves! don’t get too stressed, drink water, get sleep, stay positive

[jade jolt]

Have good one guys hopefully tmrw will be a better day

[hot girder]

I don't pray but I'm always wishing the girls the absolute best

https://tenor.com/view/haerin-minji-newjeans-heart-smile-gif-27361063

[jade jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/hanni-newjeans-new-jeans-newjeans-hanni-hanni-newjeans-gif-7555810600873373373

[night niche]

make sure to vote my shaylas

[hoary frost]

take care and rest well guys

[lyric geyser]

20 is very young and this was 2015, the context was completely different

Im not saying it’s ok, I’m saying people are taking it way out of proportion

The same thing happened to Pokimane

And especially at a time like this when you need the community to be strong together

[lyric geyser]

Pewdiepie and mrbeast as well

[hot girder]

Her behavior is still weird, and she's out of the fandom anyway. This convo ended long ago please keep it that way

[lyric geyser]

Lmao you can’t just kick someone out of a fandom

And mind you I’m part black so tune down

[night niche]

chat i thought we agreed we moved on from this topic

[potent lichen]

Where’s a mod

[flint torrent]

it’s one word and njz has a lawsuit that’s lwk rigged why are we focusing on the wrong thing😞

[night niche]

really off topic but i love your caard

[wise wagon]

i dont think internal drama is something the fandom or girls need at the moment

[dusk pine]

so the court just weirdly rejected all of njz presented arguments and reason why they terminated their contract... wtf how do they even gonna present more strong evidence than that https://theqoo.net/hot/3657928819?page=2

[night niche]

exactly my thoughts

[flint torrent]

thank you so much ^^

[hoary frost]

exactly, we're already so frustrated, why make things worse?

[flint torrent]

i hope njz lawyers do smth good

[frozen bronze]

from the court's statement it just looks like to me like they completely missed the point

[fast lotus]

She’s almost 30 mate.

Idk i find her iffy I don’t like her but oh well.

[dusk pine]

the reality is that if the judges are biased somehow there's nothing much the lawyers and njz can do... they already presented the most important evidences and points for their contract termination and all of it was (weirdly) rejected, meanwhile they sided with ador that the most "evidence" they showed to prove they not breached the contract was ccv footage and text messaged taked out of context... like njz side even had to show the full message to prove ador was lying

that's so fucked up there's definitely something going on

[wise wagon]

from my knowledge, injunctions are simply meant to prevent further escalation of the situation from both sides, it means not all hope is lost and theoretically the girls still have a chance at winning their future cases ><

[wise wagon]

its a multi billionaire company we're talking about :'D i fear its not going to be easy fighting against the very obvious bias towards a side

[waxen musk]

Her age is the least of the issues being discussed. And I don't know why you replied to my message from hours ago saying how this is all just extra irrelevant drama just to say that.

[frozen bronze]

yep i havent lost much hope but it gets pretty infuriating when it seems like the judge didnt actually look at anything lol

[fast lotus]

The cctv wasn’t even taken on the same day they said it was right

[fast lotus]

There is way more reasons but I’ll leave it here.

[wise wagon]

my thoughts exactly, the outcome of the trial was so inconsiderate of the evidence the girls provided

[lyric geyser]

Yeah it wasn’t the same day and the member that was greeted wasn’t even Hanni

[night niche]

yes! i said this a bit earlier, but south korea in general has a big problem with being biased towards operations, which has made the courts lose legitimacy with8! the korean people. this is a systemic issues within the korean judiciary

[frozen bronze]

(and hanni did say illit greeted her at first)

[dusk pine]

yh but i don't feel like they're biased just because Hybe has some influence on the industry cuz they ruled in favor of mhj on her first case...

[fast lotus]

And also Hanni never said the illit members didn’t greet her. People were so quick to twist her words.

[frozen bronze]

bro was mediaplaying in a court and it actually worked

[waxen musk]

And you think those reasons stop this from being irrelevant drama? The shit with her is so easy to ignore. Let's just forget about her. (Still confused why you targeted my message from hours ago.)

[flint stone]

This whole thing feels off… Reading through the ruling, it barely makes sense—it’s as if the judge didn’t even give proper weight to what NJZ submitted. Well since we got no choice, i gotta give the court the benefit of the doubt… the main suit hasn’t started yet and there could be reasons to grant this injunction.

It could simply be that the court played it safe, making the most cautious ruling possible based on the limited evidence and time they had. Or, maybe there’s more pressure behind the scenes… who knows?

Talking with other bunnies, someone raised an interesting possibility: the judge may have dismissed NJZ’s claims simply because acknowledging even one of them would be enough to justify the contract termination.

And they made a solid point—only one valid claim is needed to legitimately justify terminating the contract.

When you think about it, this actually makes sense. The court barely had enough time to properly examine the case in depth, so making a definitive ruling either way could have caused greater damage to both sides. By granting the injunction and freezing NJZ’s activities, the court may have simply played it safe, ensuring that the main lawsuit starts on a clean slate without further complications.

The main lawsuit won’t be bound by the same time constraints. It’ll be a full trial with thorough evidence examination, giving NJZ the chance to lay everything out—no shortcuts, no rush.

Right now, I’m leaning toward trusting the legal process, because I refuse to believe that the outcome is rigged or predetermined just to satisfy the interests of powerful people clinging to the old order. (https://x.com/juantokki/status/1903112507017011428)

1tokki (@juantokki) on X

This whole thing feels off… Reading through the ruling, it barely makes sense—it’s as if the judge didn’t even give proper weight to what NJZ submitted. Well since we got no choice, i gotta give the court the benefit of the doubt… the main suit hasn’t started yet and there

X · Mar 21, 2025, 3:52 PM

[frozen bronze]

this

[wise wagon]

thats whats ticking me off too im really curious as to what happened

[fast lotus]

Why are u still going on? I wont bother arguing. I’ll protect my peace.

[waxen musk]

I think you're misunderstanding. I'm saying pretend Taly doesn't exist and you're the one going on.

[fast lotus]

???

[dusk pine]

i already found it weird before seeing that post... anyone with minimal critical sense would though the same

[hoary frost]

It's kind of weird how all this just shows how the industry really works and how we (fans) don't even have 1% of an idea of what really goes on behind the cameras

[hot girder]

her weird ass is out of the fandom lol its not just me but everyone else who knows what type of person she is. and tune down what? the convo had indeed moved on

[fast lotus]

So, if they lose the one in April, what will happen?

[night niche]

lots of things could happen, i think it’s better to just wait until the court hearings actually happen to start any worrying

[hot girder]

best case scenario we win, or we lose and the girls have to pay some sort of penalty fee (which I hope is not too high)

[lyric geyser]

Mb, I was on the edge with everything going on, sorry for being rude.

[flint stone]

they definitely not gonna work under odor, probably fees/penalty

[silk sparrow]

theres so much going on 😔

[night niche]

make sure to take care of yourself, don’t stress yall selves too much with this and stay positive

[fast lotus]

And if we still keep going will they get blacklisted?

[lyric geyser]

thank you

[wise wagon]

if they get blacklisted in the kpop industry, theres still possibility for them to promote overseas right?

[flint stone]

from https://time.com/7270186/njz-newjeans-exclusive-hybe-ador-legal-battle-complexcon-hongkong/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=editorial&utm_term=entertainment_music&linkId=779471353

[silk sparrow]

anyone know when the april court date is? as far as im aware, the one from today is a court injunction

[fast lotus]

3rd

[night niche]

should be april 3rd

[dusk pine]

i'm sorry i know i'm being very negative but i feel like the worst already happen: the court rejecting all njz's ground for their contract termination and siding with ador

[hoary frost]

This is what i found:

If NJZ loses in court on April 3, the consequences will depend on the terms of the judicial decision. Based on similar contractual disputes in the South Korean entertainment industry, the most likely scenarios are:

1. Return to ADOR:
   The court may determine that the original contract remains valid and require NJZ members to resume fulfilling their obligations with the agency. This would mean the suspension of their independent activities.

2. Payment of Fines or Compensation:
   If the contract is terminated but the court acknowledges a contractual violation by the group, NJZ could be ordered to pay substantial fines or compensation to ADOR for alleged financial and reputational damages.

3. Activity Ban:
   The court may prohibit the members from engaging in musical, advertising, or entertainment activities for a specific period if it finds non-compete clauses in the original contract.

4. Forced Renegotiation:
   In some cases, courts encourage a mutual resolution, requiring the parties to renegotiate the contract terms instead of simply ending the relationship.

5. Group Dissolution:
   In the worst-case scenario, if no agreement is reached and the contractual restrictions are severe, NJZ may be forced to disband as a group, with members pursuing separate paths.

[hot girder]

It's okay, I got a bit heated too and i'm sorry for that. I just think there's enough proof for us to collectively agree she's not someone worth keeping in the fandom. We need to move on and focus on our girls NJZ, prioritize what's best for them 🫂💐

[flint stone]

why would they get blacklisted? i don't think it's possible, a lot of advertisers and else show support to the girls (because they know that njz "bring money")

[waxen musk]

Throughout this whole thing today, I've not actually heard anything from the Korean Bunnies side of things.

[hot girder]

We had a korean bunnie here early on (tldr they were quite negative about things, saying that the public perception on them is not good, and that people might lose interest in the group)

[night niche]

i understand. don’t be too negative and make sure to take care of yourself, racking your minds on the negatives of this situation won’t make matters any better 🫂

[flint stone]

from what i understood it didn't really reject njz's ground, but said it's not enough

[silk sparrow]

realistically, im wondering what the fine could be, 620 billion won would put them into indefinite debt. i heard from fifty fifty they owed about 10 billion or something, thats only a small amount compared to this

[hot girder]

Returning to ADOR is certainly the worst end scenario

[flint stone]

i think it's way to much, but it's the only source i saw saying numbers

[dusk pine]

this is bs cuz how it wasn't not enough? if you look at it it's the main reasons why njz don't feel safe and trust ador anymore

[fast lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/ariana-grande-ari-disgust-shocked-stan-twt-gif-13274812081285315172

[hot girder]

620 billion won = 420,000,000 dollars right? am I calculating this right?

[hoary frost]

That's not going to happen, they've already made it very clear that they have no intention of returning

[fast lotus]

HELP

[hoary frost]

lmao

[fast lotus]

I deleted the message am not laughing at the current situation…😭 anyways

[hot girder]

Yeah, but even if they don't want to, contractual obligations will make them come back.

[silk sparrow]

thats what it says, $420M USD, not sure of the current conversion rate
i converted it, yea thats the amount

[flint stone]

i also don't understand how it was not enough, this might explain something: https://x.com/juantokki/status/1903112507017011428

[hot girder]

Isn't hybe worth less than that? that's like, insane debt

[silk sparrow]

nope hybe is worth alot more, theyre market cap rn is almost 10 trillion won

[flint stone]

on the screenshot it's already calculated

[hot girder]

"As of March 2025 HYBE has a market cap of $6.58 Billion USD."

(please don't bash me if I'm insanely wrong, english is not my first language and numbers are my weakness LOL)

[silk sparrow]

yes