NJZ Updates and Discussion

[hot girder]

gotta discuss it first with your lawyer and sometimes the best move is to keep silent ig

[frozen granite]

Hmm right … sort of wish something was said though from lawyers or just anyone with the legal expertise to debunk ador’s claims

[naive hound]

Everyone was taking sides long ago, the majority of people already picked one so njz fans are going to believe and defend everything they say and the ones not liking it will do similar with what hybe/ador says

So at this point it's just worth to read some news to be updated and that's all

[red thorn]

It would drag more people involved, but if ador keep pushing too far then she would've no choice
That's when the time she should think for herself first, it's not fair they push the scenario to paint her as a liar

[cerulean lake]

i’m curious as to why she held back but im assuming she was taken aback by the stuff that was gonna be shown. i think that she should just go all off for the extra evidence they need to submit. it’s all or nothing by this point and she should just say everything she wants.

with how the parts mentioning illit were blacked out, i think they didn’t want more things to arise, but then again, i can’t be so sure

[frozen granite]

I’m curious too … this just instigated a lot more doo doo talk towards the girls … 😞 I just hope something good comes out of this

[waxen musk]

I wish I knew exactly what Hanni meant from her Instagram Story updates. I wrote a long message before deleting it giving potential ways of understanding what she meant, but I think it's best not to speculate, we can't read her mind.

I will say that now it has been more than 24 hours, I am only gaining confidence about NJZ winning.

If any of you are not feeling this way, please let me know why and which specific points Ador brought up make you feel this way. I think Ador's strategy yesterday has been revealed to be especially weak.

I honestly am not seeing that much positivity overall, which is why I ask.

[cerulean lake]

Idk the only reason why I feel a little iffy was because I thought there would be more definitive evidence in court rather than just speculations and regurgitated evidence.

I know the burden is on Ador so they should be the ones showing the evidence but I wish NJZ and their lawyers also had more definitive responses to these allegations. Again, I’m not sure what exactly happened but I’m hoping they have more evidence submitted by the 14th. I need the haters to shut up and I hate how we’re basically reliving those terrible April-May/August-September months of 2024 where misinfo was being spread everywhere.

[frozen granite]

I am feeling in the middle tbh. Half of me feels hopeful, the other does not. The reason why it makes me feel hopeful was the fact that fraudor’s footage showed how manipulative they are along with HYBE. However, this did bring up extra hatred towards NJZ. I personally would’ve hoped someone on the legal team had debunked that footage & emphasized that as evidence as how fraudor is not seeing the best interest of NJZ. This injunction seemed that it brought a lot of confusion towards many people & unnecessary hatred. Few tokkis (or ex-tokkis) are now starting to switch up. I also don’t want to alarm anyone, but NJZ lost a few hundred followers on IG

[waxen musk]

Yeah I get that. Most of my confidence comes from how Ador failed to provide evidence, rather than the relative disappointment there wasn't something new and extreme presented by NJZ. Either way remembering everything we already knew and were confident in before has only been reinforced after yesterday.

[waxen musk]

Yes, I hope that the additional evidence submission will help with this.

A lot of the focus is on the hate and misunderstandings within the fandoms. I don't see it having any relevance to the court case. While I say I have confidence, this confidence isn't particularly making me feel a positive mood because of how much hate is overshadowing everything right now.

[cerulean lake]

a few hundred or a few hundred thousands?

how do u even track it if it’s just a few hundreds

Yeah I know they were like laughing on the way out but i don’t think that’s really an indication of them thinking they’ll win. I think they were probably laughing at something else and just want to see positive, but I wish I could feel hopeful.

I hate how HYBE and Ador can just release whatever they want and people will eat it up but never look at the other side’s perspective. Society really be a dystopia with how these corrupt companies get away with everything 🫠🫠

[frozen granite]

Hundred. & i use this https://blastup.com/instagram-follower-count?Njz_official

But it has increased now so I’m more relieved

[cerulean lake]

hmm welp i wished all this legal drama left and we were just enjoying the time leading up to complex con 💔

[short laurel]

Both sides accounts are being banned actually

The video ador shared was different day n dani was in the video. Ilsports article mentioned this too. It was noticed by ktokkies.

[jolly junco]

there is chance that hanni might be confused with the university name since she is not a korean

[thorny knot]

i don't think so she legit has minji, haerin and hyein who could tell her if she was confused

and dani too i guess

[short laurel]

Hanni said she was alone. Ador vudeo shows dani in it. Meaning video was from different time. No need to think on this part, ilsports is correct in this part.

Also we saw that manager cleanly ignoring both hanni n dani.

Since belift management is shown ignoring njz in different day video, then there's hanni's comment of it happening in another time, means it could've happened multiple times.

Also i want to emphasize this part
IN NA hanni said to ador ceo that if there's misunderstanding, talk to her
i remember this much. So even if hanni didn't clearly remember, we should focus on why that manager avoided her still.

If everyone gonna examine this even closely, we need to look at everything what was said in the past. Instead both sides fandom only scrutinizing what they want.

[copper jetty]

guys i've been back reading but i still didn't understand if it's good or not for the girls or not... I'm feeling half and half regarding this.

[short laurel]

Only new points from yesterday are

Hybe told nj to not wear ribbons in japan newyear con. While other hybe artists did. It would've brought alot of hate to nj but they noticed it n made one on their own.
Ador released video over hanni incident. Which turned out to be from different date as seen by presence of dani in it. Belift manager was ignoring hanni n dani here too
Hanni n mhj kkt from this ignore incident shared by both sides hence valid ss. Which still only proves what hanni said. Even the incorrect video doesn't go against what hanni said.

Everything else discussed n revealed to public is same old we already know.

Yesterday was very confusing which is exactly hybe targetting

[copper jetty]

Ador released video over hanni incident. Which turned out to be from different date as seen by presence of dani in it. Belift manager was ignoring hanni n dani here too

so doesn't this entirely support what they were saying that there was ostracization in the company and that they wanted protection from their agency and that they didn't get it hence trust broken

[short laurel]

It does yea

[copper jetty]

I'm a bit confused too to be honest... i feel like it hasn't sunk in yet.

[short laurel]

It is

The way information was released yesterday lead to alot of confusion. Reddit openly said it's mistranslation n redditors ran with it to attack hanni

[copper jetty]

well it's reddit, what did you expect?

TAG PR runs that so i'm not surprised

though i wanted to ask i've read the kkt chats between hanni and mhj and there's a lot of misinformation regarding who released what, did it came from Ador or NJZ side? I feel like it's weird if it was from Ador but i would understand if it came from NJZ

cause why would Ador have that? weird invasion of privacy

[midnight zodiac]

it's because we only got bits and pieces of mistranslated stuff at first which spread more than the real translations

[waxen musk]

This came from NJZ:

[copper current]

I understand her, like being overwhelmed, uncertain and was dumbfounded when they showed the video. She could not realize things or verify so by the time she realized how evil Hybe did like manipulating evidences and videos, she missed the chance to speak out. I was in similar cases before, people were jealous and stole my work and I could not voice to defend myself until they got the award. I could only talked to people after that. So overwhelming or uncertain is something that prevented Hanni from saying more things

[short laurel]

From what i understood. Nj side brought it 1st. Some say ador used the ss given by nj side. Other says asor brought their own ss of same chat.

[waxen musk]

And this came from Ador:

[midnight zodiac]

like we initially thought the ceo was doing edits or whatever. but she was actually talking about what one of the video editors said

[short laurel]

What ash shared is "shared to media by" not who brought it to court.

[copper current]

people overanlyze too much, by the end of the day, we all know Hybe editted stuffs and manipulated things to harm Hanni, I feel like they targeted Hanni the most through this, maybe because the female CEO wants to sabotage her

[waxen musk]

For the above two images:

"KakaoTalk screenshot of Hanni revealed by NewJeans (NJZ) during the injunction application hearing filed by ADOR on the 7th. Photo courtesy: NewJeans (NJZ) (Translated by @NJZBUBBLEGUM)"

and

"KakaoTalk messages between Hanni and former ADOR CEO Min Hee-jin revealed during the injunction hearing filed by ADOR against NewJeans on the 7th. Photo courtesy: ADOR (Translated by @NJZBUBBLEGUM)"

[copper jetty]

ok this paints that hanni didn't really remember if manager did tell them to ignore her am i reading this right? this is from Ador side?

[short laurel]

I doubt nj side would censor them in court. Pretty sure censoring was only in media shared stuff

[waxen musk]

I think so too but it doesn't actually say.

[waxen musk]

That's Ador's argument, yes. However when I read the full text messages, I don't come to that conclusion.

[short laurel]

#1231839760759263232 message
Please read this

[narrow seal]

Message linked

message posted on <t:1741407283:f>

from namnyann

Also i want to emphasize this part
IN NA hanni said to ador ceo that if there's misunderstanding, talk to her
i remember this much. So even if hanni didn't clearly remember, we should focus on why that manager avoided her still.
[Jump to message](#1231839760759263232 message)

[copper jetty]

i think the main point of this was to sabotage hanni and have her not reliable since she was gonna testify before for the NA. Also, she's the most popular out of them all so targeting her makes sense to me cause it will also lead to damage regarding NJZ

[copper jetty]

Do you have the whole text?

[short laurel]

Hanni asked to clear ot up if there was misunderstanding but belift guy still avoided her. Doesn't matter if she doesn't remember clearly. The fact is they avoided clearing this misunderstanding with her.

[waxen musk]

The one Ador shared was the full extent of what was shared by either side.

Anyway I'm bored of these topics now. People need to be educated on the truth but I think Taly's videos are really good. She's going to be putting out some more, but for now she explained the text message situation very well. (I already shared this earlier.) https://www.tiktok.com/@talytokki/video/7479230266788039982

People just gonna repeatedly ask the same things without pins.

Not blaming anyone either. It's just I've run out of energy to keep it up.

[copper jetty]

thanks ash.. i actually went to the pinned section first but the last pinned thing was from february

smh

[red thorn]

Yeah I assume, judges have the the "master" of the materials submitted unfiltered
And that's what matters

[copper jetty]

what has happened to this discord server? like it was good before, idk

[tardy smelt]

No, she said she’s certain the manager said something like “just pretend you don’t know her and walk past” but she doesn’t remember the exact words - understandable, but she knew what the manager meant.

[copper jetty]

sorry my bad, had to like read it and read it again..

[tardy smelt]

Yeah, understandable

It’s like Hanni said in her story, they’ve picked apart her messages to fit their narrative that she doesn’t remember when she sent those messages and knows what she meant

[short laurel]

https://youtu.be/02HAZ5E25k8?si=j7KyslDdSo7Ml_DJ 7:50

[half knot]

ador is trying to win on technicalities, which is a typical path for lawyers to take

[copper jetty]

true, she knows what she meant but maybe it's the translations. We'll see, i just can't wait for this to finish and to somehow get that ruling on the injunction already

[copper jetty]

what technicalities?

[short laurel]

Doesn't matter hanni remember it or not. The fact that manager didn't come to clear this misunderstanding when asked by hanni, only shows guilt lies in that manager.

[midnight zodiac]

i feel like maybe this is also why they target hanni. because she's a foreigner and her korean isn't as good so makes it easier to manipulate

[copper jetty]

also doesn't this also support that the manager did say to ignore hanni?

[short laurel]

It does.

[copper jetty]

smh

[short laurel]

Cmon atleast says agree or disagree. It feels like my point is being ignored...

[copper jetty]

ok i will not be going on X not until this is over. I feel like this is going to be toxic and will lead again to fanwars

[copper jetty]

sorry i do agree... but idk i wanted it to be a succinct evidence but i think this will still be 5050 wether the court agrees or not

[midnight zodiac]

lol i agree with namiko. the fact the manager hasn't tried to clear the misunderstanding says a lot about the situation

[short laurel]

Thank you

[grizzled summit]

it has on several platforms

[midnight zodiac]

and isn't fraudor ceo also hr. isn't it hr's job to clear misunderstandings?

[grizzled summit]

everyone's calling the girls fraudulent, criminal, spoiled brats, narcissistic u name it

[cerulean lake]

if she has evidence abt the security guard deleting the vid, she needs to send that in

[copper jetty]

they've been calling them that since last year, but i guess it's going to be much more now. I was expecting the media play tbh... It's very Hybe

[midnight zodiac]

it's very sad to see

[upbeat stream]

So what did I miss? How bad is this dispatch leak?

[copper jetty]

i think the girls are trying to stay quiet since this is an ongoing case but i do hope they have each other and their families to support them

[red thorn]

She was scolded by this kind question too during NA

[copper jetty]

There's a dispatch leak? is this new?

[grizzled summit]

im actually so scared for them the amount of cyberbullying they're getting

[upbeat stream]

Someone on twitter said so, that's why I came here

[copper jetty]

no idea honestly, i haven't been on X since we know the amount of vitriol those 3 fandoms are going to spout. I'll just stay here and get the news here myself

[cerulean lake]

check that nj bubblegum acc or juantokki. they’re probably more updated but im avoiding twt rn too so Im not too sure

[copper jetty]

crazy thing is, that's only on the international side. Also, if NJZ wins and the court papers get published, i think that will shut them up.

[short laurel]

It's possible that tokki translation accounts stopped bothering translating every mediaplay. They've said it's not worth translating as it's same stuff repeated.

[grizzled summit]

im actually gonna cry im so scared

the fact that im getting emotional i dont know what the girls must be going through

[cerulean lake]

i’m scared if they DONT win. i’ll literally delete those social media apps or smth bc ik those antis are gonna have a field day

[copper jetty]

it's ok. Just support their music. You should turn off those apps for now and just stay here. We're all good here.

I'm more scared for the girls though... I do hope they have the support that they need right now with all the hate.

[grizzled summit]

yuh but do they have enough evidence

[wind monolith]

We will find out soon enough

[copper jetty]

i don't know if they do, but i trust them... Like Hanni said before to trust in them

[grizzled summit]

but the fact that hybe's mediaplay actually went through some bunnies is concerning i hope the girls sue them for huge mediaplay

[wind monolith]

Well thats been hybes tactic from the start, its nothing new

[midnight zodiac]

i'm just happy because technically ador needs to provide the evidence for the court cases and they haven't shown any strong evidence for their side

[copper jetty]

Also wether they win or not, for me at least, doesn't change a thing... I'm a fan and i will be in the future wether they win or not. I became a fan because of their music.

[tardy smelt]

I wish they could see more positivity online so they don’t feel too bad, but the negativity is pretty overwhelming atm.

imma send a message on the tokki map, chances are slim they’ll check it, but it’s all I can do.

[grizzled summit]

but cant the court punish ador for perjury

they said that the cctv footage was deleted but now they suddenly have it? and the fact that armies are so delulu protecting daddy bang blinded from the truth

[midnight zodiac]

i wonder if we can make tokki map messages spread on socials to fill it with positivity instead

[copper jetty]

that's a good thing. I forgot about tokki map. I feel like that is more a safe haven for them to check than the socials we have

[midnight zodiac]

according to what i saw, this is civil case so no punishment for perjury. only criminal cases have punishment for perjury

[copper jetty]

that's the thing, it's not even the same date i think. Hanni said she was alone but Dani was there meaning it was a different date that was shown

[tardy smelt]

Yeah, I’ve been feeling pretty frustrated at how powerless I am against misinformation. I’ve realised the best thing I can do is just show support somehow, so I’m a little more at ease as well.

[grizzled summit]

but during any trial perjury is evil

[copper jetty]

that's weird... isn't that saying that even if you lie in court (which is wrong) it's ok since there's no punishment?

[shut kelp]

im confused so dispatch released the full kkt messages that njz already released?

[stiff prairie]

dispatch dropped again today?

[copper jetty]

probably from hybe since they would get copies of the evidences presented in court too. I wonder how they would argue a counterargument for this

[wind monolith]

If its from dispatch its def edited i havent seen it yet nor do i want too

[grizzled summit]

did njz release any messages?

[shut kelp]

i was talking about this

https://x.com/minos_alt/status/1898177231656235484

Mino Two (@minos_alt) on X

Dispatch just released another hit piece with the edited kakaotalk message instead of the full message and without the context, I am fairly confident that NJZ is going to win. Theres no new information on the article that hasn't been said for months now.

X · Mar 8, 2025, 1:01 AM

[red thorn]

https://v.daum.net/v/20250308090100967 this? Not leak, key points report of the yesterday court
Reeks of mediaplay ofc

[frozen granite]

It’s ok honestly this just shows we needed a fanbase cleanse

[cosmic belfry]

lol these people were never fans in the first place if this is what changed their mind

[shut kelp]

so it wasnt a leak it was the same ss that i think njz (hanni) released

[copper jetty]

idk who they are but i think if they're doubting the girls now they better stay out of our fandom

[grizzled summit]

yeah i agree with yall

[midnight zodiac]

actually i might have read it wrong

[frozen granite]

Plus NJZ is getting significantly more followers than what they are losing on ig & I don’t think the media hate translates accurately to the real world. NJZ is backed up by many big k-artists

Twitter/X & Reddit hatred doesn’t mean poop

[grizzled summit]

the yt hate is real tho

[copper jetty]

lmao... I actually think that haters are also following NJZ IG post. Some of them are more locked in than us tokkis. 2nd fandom for sure

[shut kelp]

?

[cerulean lake]

ok well yt is one of the worst platforms for nwjns too bc the armies/stupid ktubers breed there

that’s literally why taly wanted to start a yt channel

[grizzled summit]

theres so many channels who're posting 'how njz destroyed their career, njz epxosed lba bla bla by local army thugs

[cerulean lake]

that’s their whole job so whenever i see those channels i just block them and think abt how miserable their life is to do that as a job

[frozen granite]

I think this will only “placate” once the judge legally validates njz’s stance

[shut kelp]

i think alot of them are armys and fearnots fans so obvsly they stand on that side

[frozen granite]

I just hope they do .. btw is it the same judge that ruled in favor of MHJ or a different judge ?

[shut kelp]

whens the next important court date?

[cerulean lake]

plus those ytubers who react to kpop and stuff, once they decided to cut nwjns off from the start of the drama, i just avoided their channel (those vids are lowkey cringe sometimes too)

[lucid yarrow]

yeah why cant they just enjoy there fav i saw channel all bts stuff then 6 straight video about how NJZ is wrong lol

[grizzled summit]

the fact that people are saying olivia marsh plagiarised backseat when illit plagiarised njz from day one bunch of armpit hypocrites.

[frozen granite]

Also most of the armys don’t even stan le sserafim which is so sad bc this is ego boosting fearnots. If le sserafim was truly supported by armys their social media following would’ve increase drastically. Ever since the whole spiel started they barely went up by 0.3 mil

[grizzled summit]

ikr rose's crib, xiwang kpop tea and seoulite tv live off njz, so basically the girls pay their rent at this point

[cerulean lake]

i think it’s the same judge? but ngl, mhj’s team looked more prepared and i think they had more of a counter argument

[copper jetty]

yeah... kpop fans are weird tbh, they hate too much just to elevate their groups. Also i don't have a good picture of the kpop industry since this started. Their idols are keeping quiet about this and not even chastisizing their fandoms for what they're doing, Also about their oppas keeping their opinions shut too with what the company is doing.

[frozen granite]

It is the same judge ?

[cerulean lake]

from what i saw 🤔 could be wrong tho. someone fact check me

[grizzled summit]

ikr they say their bangtan oppas or daddies or whatever are so wise when misogynist rap monster (he is a monster) literally said racial slurs so many times and hasnt apologised for it too and they say that njz are spoiled brats wow THE HYPOCRISY.

[frozen granite]

Jk did send a subliminal message in support of NJZ & that fandom lost their marbles

Not even if the BTS members themselves said “we support NJZ” they’ll believe it tbf … when one of them was singing APT by rose armys quickly attacked blinks

[cerulean lake]

yeah i don’t wanna blame the members bc ik they usually abide by the company in order to keep their careers at stake.

but idols like BTS are literally bigger than hybe and that company would literally crumble if members like V and JK didn’t renew. Props to JK for actually having a backbone.

[grizzled summit]

i dont think he said it to njz rather than mhj cuz armies went ballistic saying its for mhj

[cerulean lake]

lolz the fact that those fandoms thought it was him insinuating that mhj needs to leave them alone rather than hybe as well

[copper jetty]

bro the 💙 🩷 💛 💚 💜 literally means NJZ... Where was MHJ mentioned?

[wind monolith]

It was def ti njz armies just want to change the narrative

[grizzled summit]

you guys we never know what the members are thinking rn and the mere fact is bts havent ever warned their fans of being rabid and have NEVER told them to be polite. not even ONCE. thats the shame on the idols.

[frozen granite]

Yeah … I heard that even k-armys don’t like HYBE & think negatively of that company but int-armys are not ready for that convo yet 🫣

[grizzled summit]

idk some armies said that it was probably for mhj not to take advantage of njz but ik that the girls got support from him

even jay park supports the girls along with babymosnter lol

[cerulean lake]

i hate how they said the girls are mean for not telling their fandom to shut up but i never recalled their favs doing that WHEN they are known to harass literally anybody 🤨

[grizzled summit]

preachh

[copper jetty]

this is what i'm saying... like when the girls don't like things or are weirded out by tokkis, they actually tell us. Doesn't apply to their oppas, They just go with what that fandom does, and i think it's because they do benefit from it. And the company fuel it

[grizzled summit]

the mere fact that armies are the biggest hypocrites ever i can write a whole 2 page paragraph for htem instead of my school homework LOL the fact that they keep dishing on their achievements when the members dont even know who they are

[short laurel]

Hybe keep using idols as shield over its entire existence. Super quick to respond when bsh is involved in every drama hybe goes through every year even be4 nj. Bighit even has history of not treating bts right. Yet they think it's mhj fault n bsh daddy is god.

[cerulean lake]

yea there’s a reason why hybe wanted to make up how mhj was shaming bts or smth. they knew that narrative would spread and that fandom would be on her ass.

[short laurel]

Only 2 pages? Ask long time kpop fans. A whole freaking book series.

[copper jetty]

and they succeeded, it's mainly army that's on NJZ ass since this started since april

[grizzled summit]

but how did mhj come up with the narrative 'bts's little sisters'? ador keeps shifting the blame at this point they dont even have a definite story now

wasnt it exposed in the hybe audit documents that it was ador that paid articles to write about how njz was to be called 'bts's little sisters' they did that on purpose to make them get hate

[short laurel]

Nj wasn't even planned. They were somu rookies when they appeared in bts video

[short laurel]

It was hybe. Ador at the time was mhj n her team.

[grizzled summit]

yeah and ador thinks by saying that they appeared in bts's video, they arent discriminating them

[frozen granite]

Someone had shared this with me. I don’t think it means much but it gave me satisfaction that many people in Korea don’t like HYBE

[cerulean lake]

well that might have happened if mhj actually got to debut her group under source. when they scrapped her plans, she created ador and she even went on a show to say that it’s her group

[grizzled summit]

wow lol thats a slay

[grizzled summit]

oh okay but she never insinuated the bts's little sister narrative at all tho

[copper jetty]

quick question, doesn't team bunnies have evidences that it was hybe who was going around to journalists for them to write negative articles regarding NJZ? Do we know if it was presented in court today?

[cerulean lake]

ik jyp has a lot of flaws but seeing him actually have fun with his idols and how they respect him definitely shows that he’s better than the others

(even kg from vcha didn’t blame him)

[short laurel]

Yea mhj n her team nvr claimed that.

[grizzled summit]

yuh the japan sales incident i think they're keeping those evidence for the april court hearing for the validity of the contract

[frozen granite]

isn’t he close to BSH though?

[cerulean lake]

that’s true. i’m still side eyeing him for that tho

[short laurel]

Jyp has done alot of questionable things but yea he is better than others n this only shows that others are that much worse cuz jyp is not a good person

[cerulean lake]

it was literally jyp who helped build bsh’s ass career.

[frozen granite]

I genuinely don’t trust CEO’s tbh

[copper jetty]

uhmmm.. i believe there was an issue regarding R kelly with him?? or is that rumors?

[cerulean lake]

i was curious abt that too? team bunnies was making it seem like they have a lot of evidence. i was wondering if they could share that njz’s lawyers?

[cerulean lake]

yea again, he’s weird as well but it’s not much of a compliment when comparing him to these other horrendous 3 ceos

imagine mhj became ceo of sm like she was promised by lsm if she stayed 🤣

[short laurel]

That n everything else that's common in kpop. It's common but it's still messed up n the fact he participated in it when he was in control puts him in bad people imo.

[frozen granite]

Getting another teaser would def quell my nerves, but I doubt they’ll post anything in regards to that ..

I guess them posting something in reference to that would relay they are confident in this overall which would give ME confidence as well

[short laurel]

I believe not everything that's being said in court is released to the public.

[jade jolt]

I think they are going to be silent for a couple of days on social media unfortunately

[short laurel]

The fact that girls said they have alot more that happened but can't share in their yt live stream last year n we haven't heard of it yet makes me believe that not everything that happened in court is in public.

Also time given to them in hearing yesterday was already limited. They'll submit additional evidence by 12th/14th whatever date court gave

[midnight zodiac]

it's not like we have a livestream of the hearing. we only get articles with information and we already know how media is overall

[copper jetty]

idk i think it will be good though but the opposition would be bad, We know how the NJZ girls like her and we know how she was as a ceo and from what i see it was a pretty humane as compared to other companies. They had yearly vacations, they were given breaks, they were transferred to a nice apartment just because the ROI was huge. She treasured those girls and the girls also gave the 100% effort they had with practice and performing. That's how a company should be and not those kpop companies that we had now.

[midnight zodiac]

and also there's not enough time to say everything during the 2 hours or so

[frozen granite]

Right … I just worry this will be misconstrued as them feeling defeated or unconfident since they were posting teasers & went on news & the public might see them as being hasty
Idk if that makes sense

[cerulean lake]

yea she has her problems too but considering most ppl seemed to like her whenever they worked w her, i think she would be okay

[short laurel]

If mhj became sm ceo. The changes she would bring would be hated by shareholders cuz reduced initial earning since no longer heavy touring schedule. N by fans for reduced content. Kpop fandom wants new stuff daily or they cry mistreatment.

[cerulean lake]

yup totally see what you mean. if they lose, those antis are gonna pull up those clips of them being confident and try to push them into our face

[copper jetty]

that's why i said there would be opposition and it would be bad, with the shareholders and even from the fans that consume it

[frozen granite]

Exactly this would give them ammunition & say something like “see! Where’s the confidence now? Just shows they didn’t know what they were talking about”

[cerulean lake]

funny how these fans cry for mistreatment when they are the ones perpetuating it 🤣

[copper jetty]

I think it's better to stay quiet for now like what the NJZ girls are doing. Let the court result speak for itself. They don't need to present it to the media and to the public, once the result comes out we will see

[short laurel]

Kpop is so messy smh

[midnight zodiac]

even if we win they're gonna claim it's rigged or some shaman thing or buying out the judge or something. just more to say if we lose

[jade jolt]

I totally understand what you mean but we must not worry if they decide to post something or not they know what to do Best and im positive in the end everything will turn out well

[short laurel]

They still says every attack on hybe artists is mediaplay by mhj.

[cerulean lake]

they’re gonna pull up examples of sk’s court being ass to invalidate it

[copper jetty]

Did we know if NJZ filed for a media gag for this? I feel like this would've been better but i doubt Hybe would agree.

[copper jetty]

and being corrupt. Just like when hanni had that visa renewed

[short laurel]

Yesterday ppl were crying that media attack will come to there artists cuz of mhj since the artists were mentioned by nj in court yesterday

[frozen granite]

I was defending Njz on a live bc they were spreading lies & I was called a bot & asked if MHJ had paid me for commenting 😩 like I wish !!!

[jade jolt]

I feel like njz pr will release a statement in the couple of days or so

[copper jetty]

Why are they screaming media play when it was only one woman (person) but don't question media play if it was perpetuated by a company?

[short laurel]

Cuz bots

[midnight zodiac]

yes because one woman has the funds to buy out media and judges but the billionaire company does not

[short laurel]

https://x.com/pannchoa/status/1898052838107881849?t=AmMrOYcysN54ucna-MxqNQ&s=19

Rare good title by pannchao lol
3. [+139, -24]
With just that one phrase, "I'm not sure," they framed Hanni as if she's starting another publicity stunt by making it seem like she was lying. What she's actually saying is that she doesn;t exactly remember the exact wording, but what's clear is that she did hear the "pretend you didn’t see it and move on" message. HYBE cheonjis got fixated on that one sentence and kept pushing the lie narrative like crazyㅋㅋ

pannchoa (@pannchoa) on X

HYBE's leaking of Hanni and Min Heejin's Katalk exchange unintendedly proves that Hanni was consistent
https://t.co/GPpbPCRWJ0

X · Mar 7, 2025, 4:47 PM

[midnight zodiac]

honestly i would be more scared of mhj if she was capable of doing everything that they say she did

[short laurel]

This 3rd comment by korean on that not remember part @half knot @mild mist @copper jetty @stiff prairie @waxen musk

[lucid yarrow]

i really feel like kpop reddit/inter antis dont really know that hybe control all entertainment media in korea or has some hand in them so whatever comes out they going think it truth so nothing we can do if they can't read....

[copper jetty]

yeah. I think it's mainly because of the nuances of translation. But I'm feeling better more and more now that i understand what happened in court.

[copper jetty]

[midnight zodiac]

which is probably why intl fandoms are more toxic. they don't get the right translations

[copper jetty]

that's true. I think that the only solution for this is for the injunction papers to be published and released. imho, if Ador loses i feel like Hybe would apply for a restriction for those papers to be publicized . They might say again that industry secrets might be revealed on that but i hope NJZ side would still open it to public

[stable escarp]

Its a decision. Plain ignorance by them

[stiff prairie]

haha "shit guy made a good point" moment. but i don't see any korean comment. maybe diff structures for everyone

[short laurel]

In panchao post. Open the link. Not the twt replies

Translated k Comments on it are supporting nj. Though the 2nd comment is confusing. It feels like supporting nj but also feels like gating nj.

[stiff prairie]

no i am watching the post's replies. this is 3rd for me

[short laurel]

Not that one

[lucid yarrow]

even if they get truth doesn't matter anymore they all being let by some hybe pr shit or total antis who wants to destroy/defame them all we can do is maybe wait for NJZ new company to clump down fine or jail these f

[short laurel]

I m Talking about korean comments that panchao trwnslated

[stiff prairie]

oh yeah in the main post you mean. i saw that. pannchoa made sense

[short laurel]

2nd one is confusing. Rest are nj supporting

[stiff prairie]

the comments on the post are also more on the supporting side. other anti comments are being called out for being tag pr working overtime. good to see

[short laurel]

Panchao comments are overall on nj side

[cinder narwhal]

https://x.com/pannchoa/status/1898083504874721615

pannchoa (@pannchoa) on X

Knets discuss about the reason why Hanni "held back" in court
https://t.co/ezUXMh1mUz

X · Mar 7, 2025, 6:49 PM

[short laurel]

Just to be clear panchao is not a good site either. They translate very selective articles

[short laurel]

https://x.com/PoppyKPoppie/status/1898102011729727917?t=p1CAxCWAzGMk-GwN_PhJsg&s=19 this actually a gr8 point

PoppyKPoppie (@PoppyKPoppie) on X

@pannchoa the plaintiff here is ador. they are the ones that need to justify why the court should agree that their contracts are valid. its not the members job to cross examine ador’s statement; its their lawyers that did. her holding back means she’s giving ador a chance to stop lying.

X · Mar 7, 2025, 8:02 PM

[short laurel]

n we need to remember this hearing was originally supposed to be about advertisement. all this stuff isn't relevent in this one but is in one happening next month.

[stiff prairie]

well ador changed the scope of the injunction. it's almost the main lawsuit in a smaller scale to me.

[cosmic belfry]

Still I don't know if this really pertains to the injunction part. The judge shouldn't be trying to figure out contract validity. Just if there will be harm done before that case.

[short laurel]

also this

[stiff prairie]

4 dislikes and 0 likes on this? feel like i gotta open a pannchoa acc now

[short laurel]

ppl are too fixated on "held back" part without understanding what hanni ment

[short laurel]

yea there are comments complaining increased hybe stans on panchao. that's why

[sage venture]

what HYBE is trying to do is a typical legal tactic Suppose Hanni couldn't remember exactly what happened - does that justify FRAUDOR's win? Obviously not That incident was just one example of mistreatment But FRAUDOR wants to make it the be-all and end-all That's why all the media play revolves around this one point But this is a basic tactic, and obviously, Sejong didn’t fall for it They focused more on the violation of basic rights and internal sabotage, like the ribbon incident

[short laurel]

easy counter to that "not remember" part is #1231839760759263232 message

[sage venture]

yep i think everyone did well, we just need to wait 2-3 more weeks

[copper jetty]

i don't think it's irrelevant at this point since Ador adjusted the scope to not just advertisements. I think if this impacts their whole activities, shouldn't it be applied to the main lawsuit?

[short laurel]

at last moment. they not have enough time to prepare is my guess. also time limit in court. we have to consider all of this.

who would've guess that ador would reveal incorrect cctv footage and edited txt between hanni and MHJ.

[upbeat stream]

Injunction often serves as a precursor to the main lawsuit. Like when idols apply for an injunction to suspend contract, that basically pre-judges the main lawsuit. It has become the same in this case since ador widened the scope to include all entertainment activities

[short laurel]

anyways as more hearings are held. the more things njz side can reveal.

[sage venture]

it all depends on the details of the court ruling Even if NJZ wins, it could be based on basic human rights violations or the court acknowledging lawful termination due to mistreatment We have to wait and see

[upbeat stream]

https://www.etnews.com/20250307000314

[short laurel]

and the way it was revealed in media pissed of hanni.

[upbeat stream]

This article says the main lawsuit is likely to go the same route as the injunction

[short laurel]

all the cases from NJZ and MHJ are related if we are to look at complete picture.

[copper jetty]

i still wished that they would do a gag order on this injunction or case... but oh well since hybe loves media play, If ever NJZ win and Hybe would apply for that court paper to not get published i hope NJZ doesn't agree. Since everything's been out in the open since the day 1 of injunction there would be no point to do so.

[upbeat stream]

But also I'm depressed reading it because it says the injunction being granted is more likely than not.

[sage venture]

don't trust internet lawyers, especially those with no experience in the entertainment industry They don't even know there's a unilateral clause for both parties in the standard contract

[upbeat stream]

I swear I'm gonna stop listening to kpop if this happens. Like how can you stop someone from working for what could be years?

[upbeat stream]

And it's citing anonymous lawyers

[short laurel]

it's already been said. court legally can't stop someone from earnign their bread and butter.

[frozen granite]

Can someone fact check if it’s the same judge as the initial injunction ? The one who sided with MHJ

[upbeat stream]

At least show yourself if you wish to speak, it's not like they will get in trouble

[sage venture]

It's the same judge MHJ's 1st, 2nd and this one too

[upbeat stream]

Yep Kim Sang-hoon

[frozen granite]

Oh ok we should be getting good news then

[stiff prairie]

they will. if they're korean and not a company ppl will likely go to a lawyer that actually believes he can win a case for the underdog

[bold orchid]

drama still going on???

[frozen granite]

Also, NJZ is close to hitting 5.3 m on ig

[upbeat stream]

Huh? I was talking about online opinions of lawyers. The article I shared had one from an anonymous lawyer

[stiff prairie]

how are the numbers on other socials?

[short laurel]

so that anonymous lawyers, can't be trusted.
also lawyers words are not always to be taken for granted. we've seen be4 how a lawyer called NJ method stupid even though this method has been used and successful be4. and another lawyer said NJ are smart. they both lawyers but different in opinion. so just cuz someone is lawyer doesn't mean their words have some power.

[frozen granite]

Let me check

[upbeat stream]

I don't remember fully, but I think most of them thought mhj wouldn't win the 1st injunction

[short laurel]

both 2 lawyers were certified korean lawyers too. yet they both at contrast with each other. it was some article last year

[stiff prairie]

yeah. let me put it this way. you hear a lawyer saying this case is winnable for x(underdog) and another says y(big corp). as a regular person if you're in a similar position you'll go to the lawyer that said x is in a favorable position because you can relate to that more

[short laurel]

idk if it's poor translation or what but article saying like NJZ were intarrogated when in reality NJZ not even had to attend this one. but it sounds like opposite with ador like ador attended but in reality they had to attend since burden of proff is on ador.

[frozen granite]

YouTube is decent … tiktok is moving up … twitter is decent too

[sage venture]

if you want real lawyer talking
https://www.hankookilbo.com/News/Read/A2024112918130002488 Lawyer Noh Jongeon
https://v.daum.net/v/20241209024213564 Lawyer Kim Taeyeon
These two are real lawyer who actually fought on the similar issues

[frozen granite]

NJZ YouTube gained 1k yesterday which blows my mind since the injunction happened

[stiff prairie]

that's good then. last time i checked everywhere else the numbers weren't that good. on tiktok there's an account with 2 ls in official that has almost double than the main official account

[jolly junco]

is there something new going on? there are a lot of discussion since morning whats going on

[frozen granite]

Nothing really

[sage venture]

another media play by Dispatch about Hanni's text - not worth reading

[cerulean lake]

i’m just scared yall. if ador wins im gonna try to cut kpop off. maybe except twice or smth

[jolly junco]

i dont see this is happening

[upbeat stream]

Is there any precedence of court banning someone from working completely?

[cerulean lake]

idk i don’t wanna be too positive and then be disappointed

[sage venture]

kpop is f'ed even if NJZ wins HYBE is still there, stirring up fandom wars Aside from NJZ, I'd rather focus on other music

[cinder narwhal]

https://x.com/sheepymcsheepy/status/1898241842938101859

Sheepymcsheep (@sheepymcsheepy) on X

🗣️: Attorney, do you think the injunction filed by Ador will be dismissed?

Atty. Lee Hyun-Gon: Yes

X · Mar 8, 2025, 5:18 AM

[tawdry vessel]

facebook lawyer

[upbeat stream]

Especially because the focus seems to be on proving the contract termination was legitimate. The judge even asked them to list all the reasons why the contract was terminated. I thought the court will focus on whether a complete ban is fair when the contract is disputed. Makes me very worried

But instead it's moving like the main lawusit

[cerulean lake]

Yeah i’m not sure why people earlier were saying it’s gonna be dismissed bc it’s preventing them from even working. I wish that was the case because that would see so much more unfair but i’m just worried

didn’t that one tarot acc say march and april were gonna be rough months for nwjns especially w the media play? why they lowkey accurate 😭

[upbeat stream]

It seems to me that the court will determine whether the termination was justified or not, and if the judge thinks it was not, he will grant the injunction. So the burden of proof rests on njz's team, I had thought it would be on ador's.

[sage venture]

it's not that simple because the scope has expanded to the limiation of basic human rights

[half knot]

that's for the other main lawsuit to determine. generally speaking, an injunction like this is only going to explore fundamentally whether the balance of probabilities lies in favor of njz side or ador side for the main lawsuit, and whether dismissing or granting the injunction will prevent immediate harm, and will pick the one that reduces harm the most.

[hollow sorrel]

As always Dispatch is HYBE biased and I find it weird they have left out the memorial ribbon incident from their newest article.

[sage venture]

if a case involves human rights violations, they can't be undone later that's why injunctions in such cases are usually given top priority and that's focal point of yesterday's court argument

[upbeat stream]

Yeah that's what I believe as well. Dani was smart to make it clear to the judge that they won't return to ador no matter what, so the injunction would be a ban on them working and earning a livelihood, which everyone is entitled to. If the injunction is rejected and it's later determined the contract is valid, they can pay ador for all their activities before the main lawsuit's ruling.

But that fucking article from lawtimes has me panicking

[frozen granite]

Is he a good lawyer ?

[upbeat stream]

He is a family lawyer I think, not entertainment

[cerulean lake]

they’re saying ador is gonna win? 🫠🫠🫠

[sage venture]

that's typical internet lawyer talking Anyone could make the same article with different result

[sage venture]

he's a former judge also has some connection to Team Bunnies, so he studied/knows this issue very well

[frozen granite]

Oh ok I’m praying! I guess we should be getting news about the results next week correct?

[hollow sorrel]

“The court will conclude the hearing by the 14th and then determine the outcome of the injunction. It instructed both parties to submit any necessary evidence and materials by that date. Additionally, the court requested NewJeans’ side to reorganize and submit a list of reasons for the termination of their exclusive contract.”

[upbeat stream]

'Lawyer A, who requested anonymity, stated, "Based on the oral arguments so far, it does not seem easy to prove that ADOR committed a contract breach serious enough to justify contract termination. Not just for the injunction but also in the contract validity lawsuit, Minji, Hanni, Danielle, Haerin, and Hyein's chances of winning appear to be extremely low." '

[sage venture]

yep both parties will submit documents until the 14th, and the judge will write the court ruling If there are no disagreements among the judges, it could take 1 week or no more than 3 weeks at the late

[frozen granite]

This just made me feel discouraged lol

[short laurel]

there has been multiple precedence of court siding with idols on contract termination on simply change in their staff.

[upbeat stream]

I was just going through naver and this made me depressed

[sage venture]

that alone shows that the lawyer has no idea about the expanded scope of the injunction and doesn't understand that it doesn't matter who breached the trust first - what's important is the state of the broken trust

[short laurel]

again just cuz it's a lawyer doesn't mean it has any value any more than normal users screaming. this goes for both sides. what we need to c is past precedence if u want to make guess work like this.

same applies to attorney lee that bunnies follow. especially when non of the public know the exact details. only court njz and ador's lawyers knows what the hell is going on.

contract validity suit there can be discussion which side will win or lose. but for the yesterdays one. no court will order complete ban on someone's lively-hood. it can be either dismissed or partial win for either side. but no complete win for ador side.

[sage venture]

as I said, whether you like it or not, entertainment lawyers who have actually fought in the business know what the real issues are But other lawyers, especially anonymous ones? They mean nothing - they don't even read the standard contract

[cerulean lake]

ugh i’m just so tired of this shit

[heavy ocean]

Honestly I hated twitter so much yesterday

It’s still going on today but I also don’t like how illit and lsf fans are misinterpreting everything and jumping against njz 💔

[cerulean lake]

that’s been going on since 2024. i would like to think id be immune to it but it’s lowkey still infuriating. im just worried with these legal results bc i dont think i can handle the type of sick shit i’m gonna see if they lose the injunction!

[sonic olive]

What is happening ??? It says here that korean people say that njz are not grateful for what hybe give to them

[cinder narwhal]

*x -c https://x.com/juantokki/status/1898311517847842854

[harsh dove]

@juantokki <t:1741427709:d>

250308 Atty. Lee Hyun-gon facebook post

법정공방 내용을 보면 대충 결론을 알 수 있다.

어도어의 주장에는 가장 중요한 부분이 빠져 있는데 그것이 이 사건의 핵심 쟁점이다.

뭐냐 하면 신뢰관계를 어떻게 회복하고 앞으로 뭘 해줄것이냐가 없다는 것이다. 그냥 나는 잘못한 게 없어요가 전부다. 하지만 문제는 신뢰관계가 파괴되었다는 점이다.

신뢰관계가 파탄된 건 분명한 사실이고, 이것은 전속계약 해지 사유가 된다.

핵심 쟁점에 대한 주장이 없는데 어도어가 가처분 사건을 어떻게 이기냐?

---

Looking at the court proceedings, the conclusion is pretty clear.

ADOR's argument is missing the most crucial part—the key issue in this case. What’s missing? Any plan to restore trust or any commitment to the members moving forward. Their entire stance is just, "We did nothing wrong."

But the real issue is that the trust has already been broken. That’s an undeniable fact, and it’s a valid reason for terminating the exclusive contract.

Without addressing this core issue, how does ADOR expect to win the injunction case?

#NJZ #엔제이지

[cinder narwhal]

you tell us lol it's not in English

[sonic olive]

Oh sorry

[sage venture]

see? that's exactly what any lawyer should point out

[weak relic]

the trolls attack njz hired by ador fr

[short laurel]

Just don't trust any news channels honestly. They either pro hybe(most of them), pro njz/mhj (few of them) n only neutral I've seen so far topstarnews but they not report on it as much from what I've seen.

[midnight yarrow]

I thought we learned our lesson from MHJ's first injunction trial that random lawyer B on YouTube who is 100% certain of a case's outcome can be 100% wrong

[short laurel]

There are lawyer frim in korea who openly promote on defending ||sh n sa offenders|| according to people here from last year.

So even if it's real lawyers, don't trust them much.

[sage venture]

any lawyer who doesn't mention that the 'state of broken trust' is the main reason for the unilateral termination clause in a standard contract clearly has no understanding of how entertainment exclusive contracts work That's the starting point of any contract dispute

[cinder narwhal]

do you hate defense lawyers in general haha

[short laurel]

no. it's jsut the way they promoting their firm is weird.

[split bramble]

if court asked njz to submit reasons why contract should be terminated and didnt ask ador to list reasons why trust isnt broken then it means burden of proof may lie with njz

they needed to hammer home the difference between old ador and current ador, the creative director, producer, mv director, stylist, choreographers they all left/got kicked, they needed to point it out

[cinder narwhal]

if they lose it's not like they'll force them to go back to ador right? it'll be the termination was unlawful so they need to pay penalties or ador takes a cut of their earnings

[short laurel]

dani made it clear to court yesterday that they are not returning no matter what.

also an account we argued with today morning here. who left now. their name was very familiar. someone with that name were here last year to fighting everyone then left. 🤣

[rain spade]

no matter wut

[upbeat stream]

If the court determines that the reasons are too complex to be judged in a short time, will they grant injunction (basically considering the existence of contract to be the default) or reject it and ask ador to wait for the main lawsuit? Because in 5050's case, it said the case is too complicated, so wait for main lawsuit

We can't draw an exact parallel because 5050 was the plaintiff but here njz are the defendants

[cinder narwhal]

ngl njz case does feel a lot simpler than 5050s

as in the offenses aren't as severe so it's not so clearcut

[upbeat stream]

I'm not trying to compare their actual reasons btw, just the court's logic

[sage venture]

https://brunch.co.kr/@jdglaw1/95 (It's in Korean and hard to read due to legal term)
in short, there’s no actual way to force it, and no precedence either

[short laurel]

they asked both sides. asking NJZ for more clear view possibly but the one who filed the case is ador. who keep on ignoring the breach of trusts part that NJZ emphasising on. we know little but i can c that judge wanting clear picture from both sides.

[split bramble]

i see

[cinder narwhal]

where can i read the article about the court's requests

[cerulean lake]

probably comments they picked from incel sites or smth

[short laurel]

it was somewhere up here in this chat mentioning that court asked both sides.

[cerulean lake]

why would the burden of proof lay on njz when ador was the one who filed the injunction? that just doesn’t make sense. however, i feel like the judge wants to see njz’s reasoning behind the termination to see if ador’s points are valid or invalid

[short laurel]

exactly

[sage venture]

This is the court rulling for 5050 https://casenote.kr/서울중앙지방법원/2023카합20794

The case was dismissed because,

1. They raised the issue too suddenly, without prior warnings or requests for correction
2. They sent a notice of termination of the contract without following the required 14-day grace period
3. There was no evidence that the company refused to correct these deficiencies

[cerulean lake]

hmm the only thing i’m worried about out of this list regarding njz’s case is the third one. ik that ador barely did crap during their grace period but i’m not sure if there’s enough evidence to show that they didn’t do anything

also what is the general opinions of knetz so far? i just hope they’re having some support bc we know the intl side is only into fa wars

[short laurel]

girls gave them 14 days TWICE. and heard nothing back from ador. ador needs to reply back to girls if they are working on it or not when since girls are the ones requesting it.

ador replied back after NJZ made their announcement by then 14 days was up.

[sage venture]

yep, they did exactly what the law requires

[cerulean lake]

yeah ik that ador didn’t try to reply to them but i’m not sure if that is considered as enough evidence that ador wasn’t trying to help them. that’s my main concern.

also, do the judges consider what made the girls give them 14 days to fix or do they omit that part and mainly base it on the fact that njz gave them plenty of times to address things but they didn’t do crap?

[cinder narwhal]

ador sent a 20+ page document just before their presscon on 11/28 but yeah none of the demands were corrected

[cerulean lake]

weren’t they just saying how it was hybe’s doings or smth?

ik they were just saying they couldn’t do anything and tried to deflect the blame

[upbeat stream]

https://www.lawtimes.co.kr/news/206157

[cinder narwhal]

yeah they play the subsidiary card when convenient. sometimes they're independent, most of the time they're one company 😂

[sage venture]

as I said, NJZ did exactly according to the law, and this can't be done without legal consultation There's no need to worry

[cinder narwhal]

wait so this was in the hearing. not todo for the future

[short laurel]

they do need to keep girls updated considering 14 days were coming to end. especially considering it's about contract termination. so it should be enough.

[upbeat stream]

Yep ilgan or starnews didn't mention it

[cerulean lake]

man this is all just so nerve wrecking 😵‍💫. all i wanted was for them to be happy and to have new music and a concert 🙏

[cinder narwhal]

Huh someone mentioned it here earlier hopefully they can provide source

[cerulean lake]

crazy how it’s been nearly a whole year since this started

still remember the first day reading how hybe tried to kick mhj out. that was a scary day 🫠😵‍💫

[short laurel]

both sides have to submit additional evidence for their case by 14th. it doesn't says who burdan of proof is on. and court needs both sides evidence to get clear picture.

[cinder narwhal]

source bro

[stiff prairie]

they dropped new teaser to calm you guys down

[stiff prairie]

or merch not sure

[short laurel]

someone give him source of this.

[short laurel]

https://m.entertain.naver.com/article/241/0003418015 here

it's down there google translated though

[cerulean lake]

i realized that at least ppl in this chat still look for credible sources and can admit to view things from both perspectives even if it’s a channel for fans

cant say the same for other platforms 😗 (cough cough reddit)

[cinder narwhal]

ty

[short laurel]

and court asking for additional evidence from both parties for next hearing is standard.

i m too active here today wasting weekend :x

[upbeat stream]

I don't think there will be any more hearings. Court will weigh each side's arguments and then issue a ruling, probably within a week from 14th

[stiff prairie]

we win or we delete kpop

[marsh roost]

wasn't there supposed to be a comeback/re-debut as njz this month? I guess it'll be delayed now

[flint stone]

i don't think so, they will perform as scheduled

[short laurel]

yea performance is not getting cancelled.

[upbeat stream]

Does anyone know the source of Danielle's words? I didn't come across it in any of ilgan or starnews' articles. Crazy how these antis find things we can't

[sage venture]

It's other media but here https://www.mk.co.kr/news/society/11258011

[upbeat stream]

That's not unexpected from Dani at all, I just hadn't seen it

[sage venture]

Dani said twice

[cerulean lake]

projection from the user to call her mentally challenged

[marsh roost]

I'm not crazy about mhj, but it's really unlikely that 5 different individuals would be "brainwashed" into supporting her to this degree, so the reasonable conclusion is that mhj really plays an irreplaceable role for the group

[flint stone]

wait, isn't it edited part from emergency live?

[upbeat stream]

Wait, but that part isn't there

[short laurel]

shit article. bts little sister was by fans n media. not by og ador. and 21m investment has long been returned.

[tawdry vessel]

mhj treated the girls well so i agree with dani but what has bang pd done to this ppl to defend hybe like this

[upbeat stream]

The one in the screenshot

[red thorn]

Lil 7 believe she brainwashed everyone and the industry

[upbeat stream]

I'm looking for the part where she says, 'we are a team of six'. Again, totally normal for Dani to say that, but I just can't find it anywhere

[sage venture]

sry looks like only the second one is there

[cerulean lake]

if she was as powerful as the antis say, this drama would’ve been over since april of last year 🤣

[short laurel]

from what translator put yesterday. "we are team of six" doesn't exists. she did say wanting to working with MHJ.

[sage venture]

There's nothing wrong with what Dani said It's their dream to complete what MHJ planned for 7 years Maybe that's why NJZ stands apart from the other money-grab idols

[fierce cloak]

MHJ is the creator, so saying njz is a team of 6 is correct, as 5 members are performers

[sage venture]

yep it's like a director/actor in a movie plus the OG ADOR team too

[fierce cloak]

Seriously, people like mhj & njz members are fighting for their life, in court, in business, in their craft, in the relationship & loyalty they have with each other and the whole team, and the money they can bring for the brands, and first and foremost the art for the fandom
So, whatever haters say, doesn't matter. It just show how pathetic their life is, have nothing to aspire for but just jealously & hate, they have no craft, no genuine relationship, it doesn't impact njz as much other than just noise.

[slender frigate]

So much media play over whether Hanni remembered the exact word, but that’s not even the main issue. Even if she heard it right, they could’ve been talking about someone else.

The problem is the security guard deleting just that part of the footage. If nothing happened, why erase it? That just makes things look even more suspicious.

[sage venture]

i don't know if this was brought up here, but Dispatch posted a new summary of each party's PPT (I won’t include the link here)
there's one page that catches the eye

What’s shocking is that when Dispatch leaked NJZ members’ inappropriate trainee-era videos, MHJ’s official statement was
'This article constitutes an illegal act violating portrait rights, and we will take strong action against Source Music, who leaked the video'

But current CEO Kim joo-yeong told MHJ that the statement was 'highly inappropriate' and should have been released by MHJ individually not ADOR

And Kim joo-yeong asked NJZ members to come back yesterday lol What a joke

[short laurel]

Also i. NA last year hanni asked kim joo yeong to get the manager to talk to her if there was a misunderstanding. But the meeting didn't happen. Regardless of if hanni remembers or not, the fact the manager still avoided hanni only seems like guilty conscience to me.

[marsh roost]

you know what's really confusing is, those managers are really low level employees, it would have been no big deal to just fire that manager (even if actually innocent) just to keep things in peace with newjeans and among the groups

the fact that hybe would stand by a mere manager at the cost of a dispute with nj is just weird

[short laurel]

It's to appear that they stand by low level employees despite there being a death due to overwork.
There's a heavy narrative on reddit that "the manager had to get therapy n go to hospital for her mental trauma cuz of hate from bunnies"

In reality, we have no information about that manager, nothing about her was shared in public so that narrative is tag pr probably

[waxen musk]

https://x.com/minos_alt/status/1898313794067296512

Receiving so many doomsdaying and worried DM's from some BNZ. You are worrying too much. Is it possible that NJZ could lose? Yes, but IMO they will win and here is why just based off the past 3 days report. Lets look at both claims.

Hybe-Ador's main points

1. We invested a lot of money to this group
2. This group got paid this much money
3. This group got pushed to that extent by our resources
4. Everything that NJZ claims is all a big misunderstanding
5. We would like to work with this group again

NJZ's main points however has never been about the money.

1. We do not feel safe with this company
2. The people who have worked with us and tried to protect us have left the company or has received attacks from the company
3. The company did not do enough to gain our trust back
4. We do not and cannot work with the people who openly discriminates against us and tries to separate us apart etc

This is the big difference that the antis are understanding. NJZ never cared about the money, never asked for preferential treatment. Never said FAVOR us

All they asked for is to leave them alone and let them work with the people they've worked with from the start. Trust has been broken and that is one of THE valid reason for a contract termination. You don't have to be physically or financially abused for a contract termination.

It wasn't fun backreading. There's not a lot of confidence from many of you.

[stable escarp]

Why would we even lose lol ion get it

[short laurel]

I wish we could report subreddits

[bronze jetty]

i reported the r/kpop megathread to team bunnies last night

[upbeat stream]

Yeah I'm sorry I need to stop doomposting. I just expected the hearing to go differently, that's all

[short laurel]

All of kpop subreddits needs to be reported cuz what's going in there is beyond vile

[bronze jetty]

oh i agree, i know team bunnies can’t do much probably but at least to give them awareness on what’s going on on the international side

[waxen musk]

https://www.reddit.com/r/NewJeans/comments/1gw447t/comment/mgo4u0e/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

Hybe wants you to argue about whether Hanni was really ignored, but that’s not the point. The real issue is: Did hybe follow the correct procedures to handle her report? Spoiler: They didn’t.

Imagine you lose your bag at the airport. You report it. Instead of checking CCTV properly, the staff let the suspected thief review the footage first and say, "Nah, nothing happened." Then they refuse to show you the footage, change their story about whether it even exists, and blame a random retired employee for deleting it.

See the problem? Whether the bag was actually stolen or just misplaced doesn’t matter—what matters is the airport failed in its duty to investigate fairly.

Hybe is distracting you by making this about Hanni’s memory or honesty. Don’t fall for it. This is about a company that botched an internal report, refused transparency, and covered its tracks. That’s the real issue.

Seems like there's more discussion on /r/NewJeans now than there was previously, with some good points.

[short laurel]

honestly. reddit is like 1000 time mroe vile than elon's twitter.

[waxen musk]

I have been avoiding it all, until now where I'm looking at /r/NewJeans exclusively.

[short laurel]

and it's really an achievement.

[frozen granite]

They posted something!! Ok I feel better ❤️‍🩹

[waxen musk]

Well, I wouldn't count it as the girls posting something, but if it makes you feel better, that's good.

I'm honestly more fearful about the hate being piled onto the girls than I've ever been. It's way too much for anyone to handle.

It is definitely the worst it's ever been, right?

[short laurel]

that worries me too. especially so many cases of artists taking extreme action cuz of online hate in korean alone.

all 5 were minors when they got heavy hate train since the debut over nonsense reasons.

[frozen granite]

I guess I’m just trying to stay hopeful tbh … that’s why I said that the injunction fueled a lot more hate .. wish someone on NJZ’s legal team had said something or something was posted. I just want the 14th to be soon so the judge can add some legal validity to all this nonsense that is HYBE’s mediaplay

[short laurel]

worse is we know that hanni reading it all

[copper current]

That is why we need to tell them to be strong and don't give up before the evil.

[waxen musk]

We can all hold out for two weeks and it will be worth it, they're going to perform no matter what. It's what the girls live for, so hopefully it helps remind them that it's all worth it.

[copper current]

The evill will not stop until they break the victims, and strong mentally people will rise, being celebrity is hard, you need to have strong mentality, we need to tell NJZ to be brave, I know it is hard but they have to be like that

I remember BP Jennie got a lot if hate, everywhere, called her bullies, smoke etc. and look who she is now, how she is thriving

[frozen granite]

Do you guys genuinely believe they check everything that is being said online? For some reason I genuinely don’t which is why they turn off their comments. If anything they’d’ check ig but I don’t paint them as checking Reddit or twitter tbh lol especially Reddit 💀

[waxen musk]

I really hope not, but it's clear they see enough.

[short laurel]

they do check twtter iirc.

they had twt account just to talk to bunneis when they were under ador.

also ig isn't safe either unfortunately.

[copper current]

The best is to ignore hate and move on, they cannot please billions of people, everyone has their own opinions, just focus on people who love them because they have tons, those haters are just small number, music and thier potential will fight for them and pull more new tokkis

[frozen granite]

That is true I also feel like they are more emotionally strong than ever, but nonetheless we have to let them know we as their fans have their back no matter what. I’m glad the saw the global bunny site

[waxen musk]

If Ador truly wanted them back, why is threatening them to the harshest degree a strategy they think will work?

[copper current]

just focus on people who love them, ignore the hate, do what they like and time will answer everything. Time will reveal everything. NJZ are good people and good things will come to them, they cannot give up because that is what those evils want, this is the game of time, we have to be patient and support them

[waxen musk]

Yeah it's just tougher right now because of how limited the interactions with Bunnies have been for a few months now. When they get performing again on a regular basis, things will improve for everyone.

[frozen granite]

It’s crazy how fans can also get affected by this too emotionally & mentally. Since this all began I turned everything off bc I had to focus on school, however this pulled me back in, but I’m trying to also not get all of this consume me

[waxen musk]

Anyway, I'm sure we'll have things to get excited about over the next two weeks. They can't just post teasers for a week and then go silent for two weeks. I hope it reshifts the focus back to what we need. It's going to go ahead, regardless.

[cerulean lake]

omg this is so true. i literally became sadder when this whole drama broke out last year and that also affected my schoolwork. it’s finals season right and having the injunction right now is NOT it (unless they win or smth 😭😭)

[copper current]

We need capable people, just know that NJZ are divinely protected because they are good people, evil think they can preserve but evil shadows and bad deeds follow them everywhere, same with haters, they will always be surrounded by bad energy if they lie and harm the girls. We need to be strong mentally as well since we support the good causes and are on the right side, just need to be patient

[cerulean lake]

haven’t been checking njz-related stuff on social media bc i don’t want to spend my mental energy on that but would yall say the hate is on the same level as when those jeans (the mexican group) plagiarism allegations, the dispatch stuff, and the september live occurred?

[copper current]

eventually everything will be revealed, we just have to wait, evil can be patient and bad things will wait for them instead of good while NJZ are good people so good things will come eventually, cause and effect,

[bronze jetty]

reddit, not at all. despite the antis on there thinking they are 💀

[cerulean lake]

reddit is a whole bunch of ppl entering their midlife crisis and projecting their problems/delusions onto random idols

[frozen granite]

Yeah this has been me too … there’s been times I can’t sleep 😭

[cerulean lake]

yeah i be checking the discord for updates bc im so anxious. smh 😵‍💫 i should be checking updates abt comebacks NOT abt legal drama 🫠

[copper current]

agree, they just have too much time to waste by hating on others to feel good, which is a bad way to resolve their issue, they just need to be positive instead of negative, being mean and hateful will cause more downhill, so when I see those post hates, I was like ok, bad karma will follow you since you are bad

[waxen musk]

Alright this place has become depressing again, right after my last hopeful message too.
Lets all try to enjoy the rest of the weekend away from this.

[cerulean lake]

[frozen granite]

I’m going to make some tea for my nerves 😟

Also I donated for the fundraiser, I’m getting that cute NJZ passport holder !

[mental lynx]

oh what fundraiser

[copper current]

Really, I feel great because NJZ is coming back soon, I am looking forward to it, I feel great actually

~t https://x.com/_hannibunch/status/1898340636472012878

[narrow seal]

250308 🦦 (@​_hannibunch) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/_hannibunch/status/1898340636472012878
me knowing hybe is not getting my money this time

[mental lynx]

thanks gonna check it out

[heavy ocean]

Why are the girls so obsessed with mhj

I hate to say it but this whole thing yesterday wasn't even to prove their innocence it was highly focused on mhj

[upbeat stream]

Not this again. How many times are we going to argue the same thing here?

[heavy ocean]

Genuinely I'm baffled by this situation and I hate it so much 😭

I'm just trying to figure out what their intention was yesterday

[short laurel]

there was barely any mention of MHJ. it's people over internet overblowing it.

besides they have to share whole story in court so ofc she wil come in.

[frozen granite]

I don’t think they are obsessed with her as many people make it seem, I think they are choosing to go with someone who would actually look after them. I think anyone would opt to do that after HYBE has been mistreating them

[icy kernel]

Just to put it in the simplest of terms, NJZ wouldn't be who they are today without the guidance and mentorship of MHJ.

It's not just NJZ who want MHJ back. Their parents would also have to agree with this stance too. I would argue NJZ, their parents, ex-ADOR staff, and many others most likely all worked well together to achieve the success of NewJeans.

[heavy ocean]

Genuinely I have no idea how they're gonna comeback from this though

[short laurel]

from what?

i have a feeling you read the mistranslated news?

[heavy ocean]

The backlash lmao

[heavy ocean]

Nope

[short laurel]

which backlash? the only backlash i know is from misinformation. the proof ador showed matches with what hanni said.

[upbeat stream]

They had to mention MHJ because there's a supreme court precedence where a contract was considered lawfully terminated as the artist's manager had left and there was intentional sabotage. MHJ was creative director, producer and CEO

NJZ's legal team explicitly mentioned this case in the hearing

[frozen granite]

& not to discredit NJZ’s struggles, but every artists goes through backlash. It’s just inherent when you’re an artist. This doesn’t really mean anything. I understand what you mean though, we just have to wait for the court to add some legal validity to all what’s going on.

[jolly junco]

welcome~

[heavy ocean]

I mean from people in general, there's more people against them than are supporting them from what I've been seeing

[short laurel]

that was always the case.

[cinder narwhal]

look somewhere else

[short laurel]

since debut nj has been hated by everyone on internet...

[frozen granite]

I think that’s mostly company Stans. Most all of South Korea is supporting them

[heavy ocean]

Lmao thank you

Thank you for all the responses btw 🙏 won't reply to them all bc of the 20 sec cooldown but thank u

[jolly junco]

You’re not gonna say this if you can read korean words then head to k-forums

[heavy ocean]

Definitely not what I've mostly seen is international fans

[jolly junco]

NJZ live in korea, so the “general public” they need to concern are “korean public” not some internet kids

[short laurel]

yea. since the start english speaking internet has been against NJ. Hybe is very poor billion $ company after all.

tomorrow i m going out. today i wasted my all day on internet drama thx odor. 💀

[jolly junco]

Try not to look at what the international side saying about NJZ, but focus on what the korean general public are saying instead

They live there, they saw it first hand, its their country law

[heavy ocean]

Got u 🙏 knetz are a bit ridiculous at times though

[short laurel]

both knetz and intl are. kpop u know 😄

[jolly junco]

They are ridiculous but they know better than us who only rely on some translated articles

[upbeat stream]

Their main markets have always been korea and japan, where they'll be fine. And in other countries too, people don't care as much as you think

Redditors were saying njz are cancelled in China after that selfie at the NA. But they sold out complexcon within seconds

I'm sure if they hold concerts in the US or SEA, they'll sell with ease

[waxen musk]

Am I wrong in saying that literally anybody international into K-pop in general quite LITERALLY only gets their news from Twitter and reddit?
(Unless you're into a singular artist.)

[short laurel]

china not gonna cancel them for just posting something from NA. they only cancel people when u say somethign against their government lol

[cinder narwhal]

https://x.com/cato_o_o/status/1898383759608619078

Cato_o_o (@cato_o_o) on X

Nice qrt post thread on HYBE/ODOR media play tactics and their antics in the trial.

X · Mar 8, 2025, 2:42 PM

[heavy ocean]

True

[upbeat stream]

There were some Chinese workers who had died at Hanwha so it was a sensitive issue. But the thing is, most people have enough sense to understand that Hanni couldn't have possibly known about that guy. So it was overblown weibo stuff that died down

[upbeat stream]

Nah, instagram and tiktok are bigger sources, yes even for news

[short laurel]

lol that hanni taking selfie in NA one? that was another dumb drama

i thought u guys meant north america and was confused when hanni posted somethign from there and why china mad over it 😄

[upbeat stream]

Lmfao

[waxen musk]

Yeah, so my point being it’s mostly regurgitated information and discussion by “fans” of K-pop and rarely ever people taking note of original sources, actually reading the news articles themselves. I assume anyway. I think that might obviously be why there’s always going to be a big difference between international and Korean consumers of K-pop.

[jolly junco]

Hybe is really evil with their manipulation tactic

They know the girls are active and very up to date about whats happening with the international side, especially hanni and minji because they understand english

By feeding false information to international fans they created something that can be a mental burden for when the girls read it

They want the girls to be mentally exhausted and finally decided to give up in this fight

Thats why fans also need to be strong not to get swayed by fanwars and false information

Just trust NJZ and everything will be ok

[waxen musk]

Two weeks from now we're all going to be looking back and wondering why we were stressing and worrying so much, enjoying the new performance and looking forward to what's coming after.

Like even if I look back at the horrible situation we've been put through up until this point (for nearly 11 months), it was worse in the moment than it is now looking back.
It's just we're "in the moment" again with what happened yesterday.

[craggy skiff]

lol. it's funny when ppl starting try to find something more positive then another mhj debate come up

[cinder narwhal]

thread on both sides ppt https://x.com/RunforNJZ/status/1898401668632592502

RuNnieZ (@RunforNJZ) on X

가처분 심문기일 ppt 디패 공개분 모음(1)

X · Mar 8, 2025, 3:53 PM

[jolly junco]

TAG PR service is expensive

[craggy skiff]

such a pain when saw the same thing keep up every day ♾️

[upbeat stream]

If these are the kinds of arguments ador is banking on, then I feel a bit better about our chances because these are pretty weak

[mild mist]

I was out today, I can recommend it

[mild mist]

maybe but remember that this is the less important case. I am concerned about whether they find something actually useful for the main contract case

[short laurel]

the one teambunnies claims to have. about hybe paying reporters ot make article against girls. if it's true then that alone should be solid enough proof.

[mild mist]

would be nice
would shut a lot of people up as well (hopefully)

[waxen musk]

How do more things keep coming out that are making Ador look worse.
https://x.com/juantokki/status/1898404998591172927

1tokki (@juantokki) on X

II. Creditor’s Major Breach of the Exclusive Contract

02. HYBE’s Deliberate Discrimination, Exclusion, and Attacks Against the Debtors

✔️HYBE and Source Music’s unauthorized leak of photos and videos of the debtors.

- When Min Hee-jin was still representing the creditor

X · Mar 8, 2025, 4:06 PM

This was shared earlier, it's just a translation of NJZ's slide that was shared alongside Ador's slide, which you can see earlier.

I need to take my own advice and stop looking, but I think we'll be fine.

[craggy skiff]

I think it is good evidence to prove that fraudor lack of action to protect the girls. Well done

[copper current]

This is so easy to udnerstand, I love this summary

[stiff prairie]

*x -c https://twitter.com/moccahyein/status/1898089370717999197

[harsh dove]

@moccahyein <t:1741374745:d>

😭

[copper current]

Great strategy, Jennie is slayin so hard, i am waiting for NJZ to slap their music into haters' faces, slap slap slap

[stiff prairie]

13 days to gaurr

[cinder verge]

guys this is so bad everywhere i go on social media is hating on njz even tho they did nothing wrong this makes me so sad

[stiff prairie]

It do be like that. Nothing we can do about it besides wait for the results. We are a puny fandom against armies and hybe equiped with tag pr.

[cinder verge]

when will results of the injunction come out? even then, if the court sides with njz, i feel like ppl will still hate njz

[midnight yarrow]

purge your algorithms. The more you look up negativity the more negativity the algorithm will feed you

The only people hating NJZ are demented company stans from 3 fandoms and toxic incel losers in Korea. We shouldn't care about their opinions. NJZ has support where it matters

[short laurel]

So Protecting nj is mhj's personal matter. Nice i m liking this new ceo, she needs to speak more like this, it'll only help nj's case afterall

[stiff prairie]

by the end of the month ig. those who will hate have been hating for a year and will continue to do so. comes with the popularity imo.

[cinder verge]

how is ador even allowed to be submitting fake and tampered evidence to the court? isnt that like super duper illegal? at least in america it is

[midnight yarrow]

I need Bunnies worried about NJ support to remember which girl group was the best selling girl group, most streamed artists in Korea, top girl group on Spotify and top artist on the year end Gallup Survey in a year ('24) where their own company tried to sabotage them while getting hate from the biggest fandom in Kpop.

We're good

[copper current]

cheer up, NJZ will shut them up with their music, we will slap them with new music. Some tokkis are very creative, they took handle of haters so they could not come back, if you fight with large haters, you have to be creative, if you are smart tokkis, think of a way to fight them back creatively. Anyway I feel good after seeing how stupid Hybe is with their arguments and I am excited for NJZ music

[mild mist]

the general public just doesn't care about fan nonsense
we need to remember that

[cinder verge]

yes i am excited for new music and know that their release will go well it just makes me so angry that ppl are calling hanni a "bully" even tho she didnt do anything wrong and was actually trying to protect illit, esp since shes my bias too. ugh this is so annoying.

[stiff prairie]

hanni gets most hate cause she's the most popular one. same with jennie and lisa in blackpink

[midnight yarrow]

Things would be a lot harder for the girls if the public didn't support them though. Reputation is everything. It's why Hyein expressed so much gratitude for the Bunnies working so hard to fight all the media play and misinformation on their behalf

[stiff prairie]

it's just typical hater behavior

[midnight yarrow]

Look what happened to LSF when the public turned on them. And it's still a huge uphill battle for them in Korea.

[sage venture]

people need to stop caring about what haters say They don't matter to NJZ's success - in fact, it's free promo since they listen and watch just to find things to hate Ironically, they're helping NJZ So please, stop making them matter - haters gonna hate What truly matters are the real fans

[short laurel]

Fearnots still blame nj n bunnies n mhj for that, even though reason was alot more drama adding up n hybe using them as coverup.

[short laurel]

But seriously I can't stop laughing at this.

[midnight yarrow]

Their reputation was already spiraling downwards after Coachella and their encores. Fearnots are trying to revise history by blaming MHJ for all of their issues

[short laurel]

Do u know on kpop reddits ppl were seriously saying "martial law is mhj fault" "her shaman did it" n stuff like that 🤣

[mild mist]

*true fact: min heejin sent the dreyfus telegram

* may not be true

[cinder narwhal]

https://x.com/luenacore/status/1898401922748695011

luna ୨ৎ (@luenacore) on X

NJZ's side - Clearly outlines the intentional discrimination faced, presenting email evidence with cited dates to substantiate their claims. Keeps it simple and straightfoward

ADOR's side - 'If you don’t return, your image will be damaged, we will revoke your rights to songs

X · Mar 8, 2025, 3:54 PM

finally an easy to understand tweet about these slides lol

[midnight yarrow]

kpop subreddit is where brain cells go to die. The platform is completely worthless now. Pure toxic echo chamber that doesn't have any influence on anything. Just wait and watch for their crashouts and cope sessions in 2 weeks

[sage venture]

i don't know how to explain this to non Koreans, but FRAUDOR's original slides are hilarious The font, font size, even the word choices felt like they were from 20 years ago lol

[upbeat stream]

They have never been right about anything. They were even surprised about Nayeon talking about njz affectionately. They think all idols should hate them. Like I have no words for their absurdity

[midnight zodiac]

If you wanna go on reddit, just stay in r/NewJeans they’re pretty ok there

[short laurel]

Like japanese websites?

[cinder narwhal]

that's kinda the same situation here tbh, non-fans ||or maybe even antis|| are staff but they keep it civil because of the userbase

[short laurel]

This is really making me think that odor's ceo secretly wants nj to win but have to act like they with hybe.

[sage venture]

sort of, it looks like a grandpa made that slides while reminiscing about his college days lol

[short laurel]

Lol

[midnight zodiac]

Makes me sad and annoyed to think that about the staff situation but I agree

[short laurel]

Yea i noticed that r/kpop admins are also admins in pretty much every kpop groups subreddit. N we know for a fact that they are army.

[boreal laurel]

How the hell is Hybe somehow magically accessing dms everytime

They got hacker team?

[stiff prairie]

this time full text was given by our side. hybe took it and edited it out to get out their narrative

[short laurel]

Breach of privacy that no one questionings as much as they should.
When hybe took away mhj's laptop on their surprise audit, they took her kkt data cuz apparently it was on companies laptop.

So hybe has alot of her chat from be4 all this started.

This time one is as cake said but previous ones are from this.

[midnight yarrow]

The more that comes out from what happened at the injunction trial the more I think HYBE don't even expect to win and just want to do as much reputational damage as possible to NJZ before losing, purely out of spite

[short laurel]

Yea, that's been our guess since start

[midnight yarrow]

too bad it doesn't work on anyone other than simps who would defend HYBE even if they got exposed as a secret terrorist organization

[sage venture]

this is the funniest slide The top part is FRAUDOR's list of NJ's full album producers and the bottom is NJ's fan meeting plan Now, people are using collective intelligence to figure out the original image from the blurry photo - some have already found it and yes, looks like they just googled it and put them in there lol Can you guess too?

[boreal laurel]

Its just so wild how this gen so vehemently defending a company

Ong during 3rd gen aint no one was defending JYPE SME or YGE during conflicts
Everyone knew the companies were evil as hell

[short laurel]

It started since gen 3 with bighit after what ive read during this drama.
Even today no other companies groups stan defend the companies. Infact sm groups stans are #1 hater of sm.

Problem so far I've solely seen in hybe. Not even defending the bts individual members when they have problems, instead they turn it into akgae drama but jump in front to defend bsh.

[short laurel]

They not even have any thing planned for the full album n world tour, if they do it's probably what mhj n her team already prepared be4 getting kicked out.

https://x.com/NJZND_/status/1898407814655250567?t=xK3yT595U7KKb4Q-X_Snyg&s=19

🤦‍♂️ (@NJZND_) on X

아무도 안올려 올려요. 그변이 올린 어도어 ppt 나머지 입니다. 타돌 내용이 있으니 서방이나 불필요한 언급은 가급적 삼가 해주세요. (ppt구성 : 42p+187p=총 229p중 일부)

X · Mar 8, 2025, 4:17 PM

[sage venture]

yep they made that slide last December after NJZ terminated their contract, just to show it to the court - and of course, the result is terrible BTW, people figured out the first one is Mark Ronson and I don’t think he has any idea about this lol Also look what I found with googling his name (It's even in the first row haha)

[short laurel]

XD

Yesterday n today was all misinformation spreading on media n only now we getting proper news n ador looks like complete joke 🤣

N bet they are not going on reddit

[midnight zodiac]

Sounds about right

[pulsar wasp]

could NJZ pull a Taylor Swift and re-record their discography and release them as “NJZ Version”?

[sage venture]

i wish someone would contact Mark Ronson and ask for his opinion about having his photo used here

[short laurel]

After 1 year according to korean law. From what i heard. But we don't know full contract between bana n ador. So depends.

[frozen granite]

Who is this guy ??

[short laurel]

British dj n record producer

[pulsar wasp]

Who/what is Bana to NJZ?

[sage venture]

he's UK producer Remember 24k magic with Bruno Mars?

[wind monolith]

https://x.com/juantokki/status/1898407194250604622?s=46

1tokki (@juantokki) on X

According to this, when HYBE and Source Music leaked trainee photos and videos without the girls' consent—right around their 2nd anniversary, no less—MHJ Daepyonim took a firm stance, declaring that ADOR would take strong legal action against Source Music for providing the

X · Mar 8, 2025, 4:15 PM

[frozen granite]

Oh ok, how does he fit with NJZ? Is he on our side? Or?

[sage venture]

Nope lol My guess is they just google it and put them in there

[wind monolith]

If this doesnt scream that kim is not trying to save them and there is no trust then idk

[short laurel]

Company. Their employees frnk n 250(their alies) produced all of nj music. They also stop working with ador after this drama started like all of nj original team.

[ashen charm]

would have to change all branding but it is posibble maybe beat change also hybe owns the ip tho

[short laurel]

Bana owns the master of the songs. So they can give permission but depends on contract which we don't know the details of.

[short laurel]

On adors slide

[ashen charm]

does anyone know if bernice copyrighted?

[sage venture]

Nope ADOR holds the master rights, and the composers/lyricists have the rights to the song So, in theory, you just need to record it exactly the same

[pulsar wasp]

is Ban Heesoo copyrighted?

[short laurel]

Don't think so.

[pulsar wasp]

iirc, this is what TSwift did

[short laurel]

Bana 250 n frnk are producer n lyrics too.

[sage venture]

yep and as you said, usually there's some time limit for re-recording, so we won't know exactly when it's possible

[short laurel]

Idk ppl here were saying that bana has the master.

[short laurel]

According to korean law it's 1 year after leaving the label

[sage venture]

nope master right is to give the right to the company who pays for the recording It's an old concept but still works like that

[short laurel]

Here n even in another music server i m told bana has it so idk which one is right u or what ppl said here months ago.

[ashen charm]

they probably wanna play it safe dont wanna risk anything

[short laurel]

It's easy to check if Bernice is copyrighted or not.

[sage venture]

i looked it up and it changed to 3 years last year, so I'm not sure how retroactive application works here Also, this is for the case when the contract runs out and move to different company, so I don't know how it applies when the contract is terminated mid-way

[pulsar wasp]

o wow

guess we’re only hearing new music on stage for the foreseeable future?

[short laurel]

It had to change last year. Couldn't they do it after girls terminated their contract.

[pulsar wasp]

hoping to experience ETA live one day

[short laurel]

They can cover newjeans songs

[sage venture]

not exactly, they can always do live band version or record new MR

[pulsar wasp]

TRUUU

[pulsar wasp]

TRUUU

[storm warren]

it is

[ashen charm]

yeah i checked it is so bernice ggs

[wind monolith]

Bernice just needs to lose some weight and change its name😂

[sage venture]

But general terms like 'tokki' or 'bunnies' can't be copyrighted

[short laurel]

Under what category. It can be used without issue if it's in different fields.

[sage venture]

maybe we should get a copyright for 'BNZ' ASAP

[short laurel]

Often doesn't mean it is. Look it up properly on trademark search

N i thought u meant name, the bernice itself would be hard yea

But name may not be copyrighted

[sage venture]

isn't bernice people's name?

[storm warren]

bernice name is not even official

[ashen charm]

rip 2022-2024

[storm warren]

its what fans named. illustration is copyrighted

however, they are free to use bunny in other illustration/design/shapes

[midnight zodiac]

So those specific images and logos including Bernice are copyrighted. But the fandom name can still be bunnies since that’s too generic a name to copyright

[short laurel]

There are some petty groups who copyright unofficial things like this. N hybe is petty so just in case u kn6.

[storm warren]

no one can copyright rabbit thankfully

[midnight zodiac]

It’s also nice the girls used their real names instead of stage names so hybe/ador can’t stop them from using that either

[short laurel]

There's chance for girls to win trademark if they can prove that hybe ador were sabotaging them.

[short laurel]

Korean words for Loona chuu n other members were copyrighted. Some members real name were stage name iirc right.

[sage venture]

i wonder how copyright works for Binkybong Those U shapes are too generic

[upbeat stream]

If it changed last year, it won't apply to newjeans. So they should be able to re-record 1 year from termination

[ashen charm]

NJZ NEWJEANS

[upbeat stream]

And yet court ruled that they can use it

[short laurel]

U shaped lightsticks. We adding bunny eyes instead of njz n ador can't sue millions of us.

[short laurel]

Crazy that copyright on those were even granted. They rejected english ver though. Thank god for court though.

[ashen charm]

i think this is the new light stick but its gunna be digital ?

[sage venture]

but..... will FRAUDOR sue over it?

[upbeat stream]

Court ruled that they can even use the korean group name which is trademarked. Idk how no one is talking about it as precedence. Like what am I missing here?
https://x.com/gointosubbit/status/1704371209075396846

LOONA's Subbits (@gointosubbit) on X

[ENG] 230920 Electronic Times: "[Exclusive] Loossemble Preserves Group Name… Wins Lawsuit over Blockberry"

https://t.co/0pucKp5DnH

Original: https://t.co/UbipsHJCtm

X · Sep 20, 2023, 5:45 AM

So trademarked names can be used once the contract is terminated? What other conclusion am I supposed to draw from this ruling? I'm kinda confused

[sage venture]

i think this is also what changed last year, meaning the group name belongs to the members in the end But once again, this applies when the contract runs out and they move to a different company

[short laurel]

Like with gfriend? They can use name but don't own the trademark n songs.

[short laurel]

Alot changed last year huh

[frozen granite]

I see a lot of messages, did something new happen??

[midnight zodiac]

What else changed last year?

[sage venture]

https://blog.naver.com/mcstkorea/223467281484

[midnight zodiac]

Just talking trademark and copyrights and what can be used. No new news

[frozen granite]

Did you guys see what complexcon posted??

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DG7DnVuzKu2/?igsh=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==

complexchinese

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This gave me hope

[sage venture]

wow they even made youtube clip for the changes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_xvRBWD0h0
and look what i found it's that pinky guy from the conference LOL

[short laurel]

Scroll up a bit. Idk if u were here but ador's ppt was shared n it looks bad for adir 😂

[short laurel]

No way these guys were supportive of this change. They must've accepted it burgrudgingly.

[sage venture]

what an irony, last year he was the one explaining the change, and now he's asking for a new one since it's not enough LOL

[upbeat stream]

But it didn't run out. They terminated it by going to court

[sage venture]

as far as I know, even before the change, if the fault lies with the company, the members can take the group name But this is what I heard so not exactly sure

[short laurel]

Then there's chance for nj.

[sage venture]

yep but It's a long way after the main lawsuit

[upbeat stream]

I think this is why ador is not talking about njz infringing their trademark. Because court didn't stop loona members from using Loossemble

[cinder narwhal]

https://x.com/NJZBUBBLEGUM/status/1898454694445678766

. (@NJZBUBBLEGUM) on X

First, as I said, the PPT slide is terrible. To those familiar with Korean typography design, this is how the slide looks like.

Second, isn't this basically blackmail?

X · Mar 8, 2025, 7:24 PM

[short laurel]

Those ppt giving me hope for quicker result

[sage venture]

even the titles for these slides are weird I wish I can explain this to non-Koreans but I can't

[midnight zodiac]

I need to learn Korean language and culture

[short laurel]

How can someone with this low creativity head a company which is all about art. Ador is really gone gone

[midnight zodiac]

Did the company make the slides or the lawyers?

[sage venture]

anyone who reads these titles can't take this seriously It's like a Steve Carell in The Office vibe?

[short laurel]

I doubt lawyer from koreas number 1 firm will be this bad unless they secretly wants nj to win.

[sage venture]

https://tenor.com/view/no-nope-never-the-office-michael-scott-gif-16633750

when I read those titles, it feels like they were made by this guy

[midnight zodiac]

Makes ador more of a joke

[waxen musk]

Was reminded of Hold It Down and Butterflies (With U). Wish we knew the status of those even back when they were performed at Bunnies Camp.

[cerulean lake]

anyways, IF the court rules in favor of njz, i really hope this narrative of the girls being bullies die down. it’s so maddening to see and i think hanni knows that this was gonna happen after the texts and vid were released bc of her ig story

[waxen musk]

*tt https://www.tiktok.com/@talytokki/video/7479551302586961194

[harsh dove]

@talytokki

[waxen musk]

Previous video was about the KakaoTalk messages and this one is about the CCTV footage.

[frozen granite]

What gets me is the ex-tokkis. I better not see them jump back when NJZ is producing new music & going on tours

[cerulean lake]

i like taly and her vids but i fear some ppl are gonna purposely act dense in the comments so i havent been watching her vids 😭

[cerulean lake]

yea tough to see how ppl just jump the ship so easily. wtv we need a fandom cleanse anyways

[midnight zodiac]

not real tokkis

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/PoppyKPoppie/status/1898499629848920082

[narrow seal]

250308 PoppyKPoppie (@​PoppyKPoppie) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/PoppyKPoppie/status/1898499629848920082
if they’ll restrict binky bong, can we ask for a refund?
cr: njzbubblegum for the pic

[copper current]

We need new lightsticks

[frozen granite]

They cannot enforce NJZ to restrict the fans from using them lololol I mean technically they can’t use them, but I’ll still have mine since I’m sure they’ll stop producing them

[red thorn]

They highlight the blackmailing intention with red text

[frozen granite]

Should I get all the NewJeans merch before it becomes a rare item ??

[tawdry vessel]

if you want bang pd to be happy, it's up to you

[copper current]

i will not pay for past items, there are new items now that belong to NJZ, my money is for NJZ not for Hybe

[frozen granite]

Will it go to BSH if I buy it through 3rd parties though ?

[mild mist]

they will have already paid hybe

[tawdry vessel]

yep and the money that will be used to destroy njz

nuh uh

[bronze talon]

https://x.com/bored_beck/status/1898529296580514052

Rocks D. Xebeck (@bored_beck) on X

@juantokki Copyright is automatically awared to the creator at the moment of creation (in tangible form)

MHJ/BANA owns ALL of the copyright for NewJeans' name, up to their songs...Hybe MIGHT have trademark rights for it (distributing/merchandise rights)....but copyright overrides trademark

X · Mar 9, 2025, 12:20 AM

not sure how right/accurate this is but i can imagine this being true

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/rubyriver__/status/1898543498493911237

[narrow seal]

250309 Certified Yapper ‎ʚɞ (@​rubyriver__) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/rubyriver__/status/1898543498493911237
Hastag clean !!!! Show me ur favorite pic and video of hanni

#HANNI_BESTGIRL

[cinder narwhal]

*x https://x.com/LilTOKKI5/status/1898570836162044190

[harsh dove]

@LilTOKKI5 <t:1741489535:d>

[cinder narwhal]

generic American pop 😭

[copper jetty]

does anyone know what the point is in the slide where mark ronson is posted?

[cosmic belfry]

They're trying to claim they made efforts for a full album and fan meet.

[cinder narwhal]

ador's plans for nj. producers for NJ1 and fan meeting concept

[copper jetty]

made efforts but only pictures of celebrities, no plans whatsoever where's the concept planning of the album?? not even a mood board? HOW?

[frozen granite]

Wait one question how did people get a hold of ador’s ppt ??

[copper jetty]

dispatch leak so... HYBE LEAK

[marble cape]

ppt?

[copper jetty]

yeah ppt of what they presented in court, along with NJZ side

I'm guessing the bottom part is tokyo dome?

[frozen granite]

Ohhhh .. so this was the one used from the previous injection lol I thought it was the new one

[copper jetty]

it's the new one... just yesterday

[cinder narwhal]

no 2025 fanmeet. you can always translate the slide 😂

[copper jetty]

how do you do that without saving the picture?

[frozen granite]

WTH

Thats the ppt?! Oh my goodness. Yall think they will change it now that it’s leaked though?

[cosmic belfry]

I use Google Chrome so I can just use Lens

[cinder narwhal]

oh idk, my phone has built in Google thing that can translate or reverse image search anything on screen

[copper jetty]

probably not, they submitted those already

[frozen granite]

If those are the ppts, would it be too early to cheer?

[cinder narwhal]

still crazy how ador thought of getting rid of 250 and frnk as if they didn't give you record breaking songs. they really wanted a clean break from mhj

[copper jetty]

yeah... dispatch cherry picked those ppt that they posted. Not even a peep on the jeju air ribbons on there from what i've seen from tokkis on x

[frozen granite]

Based on the snippets or videos Njz posted I believe they are still working with them .. I hope at least

[copper jetty]

but the thing is those ppt pictures doesn't really amount to anything though, unless they actually have planning documents to hire those producers and even the fanmeet. Which they should've put there instead of those pictures.

[cinder narwhal]

ofc it doesn't they don't have any artists to make albums or plan concerts for lol

[cerulean lake]

yeah there should be some type of confirmation that they contacted those producers and made some planning efforts. putting up random pics of producers is not equal to showing that you were planning stuff

[copper jetty]

but if they're asserting that NJZ is still their artist, then we have to assume that they should've been still planning with them in mind. They should've drafted a plan or planning documents. That's the first step... With the concept photos etc. that it supposed to be presented to the artists in mind.

[cinder narwhal]

yall give them too much credit lol this is them doing the bare minimum just so they can say they have plans

[copper jetty]

that's exactly the point, but who are they really fooling though? Without those, how can they even say that they did the bare minimum and that they weren't trying to shelf them?

[jolly junco]

anything new today?

[cerulean lake]

so disappointing to see how even some tokkis are turning to the other side bc of what hybe media played. smh

[red thorn]

Their so called plan globlul artist

[copper jetty]

not really

[copper jetty]

then they're not bunnies. I better not see those jump back in when NJZ redebut

[jolly junco]

ador? new group from ador?

[red thorn]

Nah, hybe promised the plan that they would make nj to be more global

[cerulean lake]

laughable bc all this shit hybe is doing is harming their global image more

[red thorn]

And having big money make them creatively bereft, "ez just hire big award producers"

[jolly junco]

lol more global with the "grammy awards winning producer"?

[cerulean lake]

they gonna explain how they just scrapped their 2024 plans and also got rid of their main producers??

[copper jetty]

they'll probably put in the grass excuse again

[cerulean lake]

bc from what i see, their grace period was in 2024 🧐 we shouldn’t just jump to 2025 plans. they should address the og 2024 plans that were scrapped!

[woven umbra]

Literally the most unimaginative producer choices they could’ve chosen for NJZ, like its giving zero effort or creativity

[copper jetty]

true true

[cerulean lake]

i hope njz’s lawyers bring up the stuff that were supposed to be planned for 2024. there had to be a lot of stuff in development when they were teasing that clover for so long.

they need to show the judge abt all the plans that were stopped or scrapped to show how hybe literally sabotaged stuff

[copper jetty]

well i could see their excuse though, "MHJ left, the planning docs were with her and never left it to us so we had to come up with a new one. Global superstars NewJeans."

[cerulean lake]

ugh i could see them using that excuse too

[copper jetty]

what i don't understand though is if MHJ has that 7 year plan, why wouldn't hybe use it for the then planning with NewJeans?

[cinder narwhal]

they hate mhj. they want to prove she's not the important to their success, only hybe. they want to show she's replaceable

[kindred estuary]

maybe because it is MHJ and OG ADOR plans, not BSH and FRAUDOR's?

[copper jetty]

only for them to use it for that other group?

[cinder narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/secret-boss-baby-on-the-phone-gif-7991222

[cinder verge]

what are the upcoming dates in terms of legal stuff?

[copper jetty]

#1231839760759263232 message

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• March 14 – MHJ’s second hearing against Source Music.
• April 3 – ADOR vs. MHDHH: Exclusive contract validation trial.
• April 17 – MHJ’s second hearing for the shareholders’ agreement

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• March 14 (sorry not sure) - Deadline for submission of evidence after today's (March 7) injunction hearing.
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[wary creek]

has anyone compiled a list of sabotage or mistreatment that hybe has done?

[copper jetty]

https://x.com/thegreatgaram/status/1858606064209719307?t=UvaDww2XXz_Z19-dG20Mbw&s=33

람짱 // ʀᴀᴍᴊᴊᴀɴɢ (@thegreatgaram) on X

HYBE’S SINS: HOW HYBE BREACHED NEWJEANS’ TRUST

X · Nov 18, 2024, 8:19 PM

[cerulean lake]

this is technically saying that the hearing results are most likely gonna come out on the 14th or that they have until the 14th to submit more stuff? I be seeing/hearing two different things

[copper jetty]

I think it's additional evidence plus what the judge asked to njz camp

[tardy smelt]

the latter

[short laurel]

Western validation

[grizzled summit]

you guys twitter bunnies are sooo strong and fierce omg how they're flooding source music's stupid tweet im so proud 🥺

[pulsar wasp]

Just saw this … iono bout this

[frozen granite]

Guys in 7 hrs NJZ has accumulated 600 new followers!

It’s almost as if those “tokkis” who switched sides had no impact

[short laurel]

With these producers i bet u if nj stayed. Non of us would've liked the new songs.

[grizzled summit]

any updates

[hoary frost]

I honestly dont understand how ppl still believed Hybe
NJZ isnt the first artist to experience mistreatment, did they forget Fromis 9 left HYBE for the same reason

[short laurel]

There's so much to say about this.
It's like ador don't even know what attracted so many music lovers to newjeans when they abhor kpop only for hybe odor to come n tell us "we are replacing old style that u love with this new style that we know u hate in kpop"

[short laurel]

Ooh u have no idea the mental gymnastics going on about this. they are acting sympathetic to fromis just to hate on nj. They do this everytime. These ppl hated on chuu too during bbc drama but now they showing loona sympathy n using it to attack on nj.

[short laurel]

They know fandom of newjeans include ppl who hate usual kpop n showing this is like showing the fandom mid finger.

[stiff prairie]

how we holding up guys

[cosmic belfry]

sh*ting and crying

[tawdry vessel]

cooked

[frozen granite]

Why? What happened ?!

[short laurel]

Nothing. They are just crying for no reason

[frozen granite]

Crybabies

Jk

[stiff prairie]

i think the lesson i learnt in all this is we are not vicious enough as a fandom. ppl on tiktok and other socials don't care about sources or context or anything. first one to get hate posts out there wins.

[frozen granite]

Wdym?

[stiff prairie]

have u been on tiktok past couple of days. they still on about how hanni lied and found it funny shit.

i mentioned tiktok cause on other socials it's easier to pull up with receipts. but on tiktok once a narrative goes out and flooded with the same mis info you can't change it

[hoary frost]

This is so bull

[frozen granite]

Oh yeah, I’ve been leaving comments debunking it, but the antis choose to ignore it. Do you think our fandom is not as vicious because of the legal technicalities of the issue & people get too lazy to do research & counter-argue?

I personally think that many of the fandoms of illit are minors & I don’t think they’d understand much or care to. Idk about fearnots

[stiff prairie]

tbh njz fandom on tiktok is also v young. but i used to like it there more because less fanwar more funny stuff and fire edits. but the fanwar part is not true anymore. all posts have fights in comments now. at least it's not one sided and there are ppl defending them that's a relief

[short laurel]

Fearnots whose online fandom are build on hating a minor since debut ||garam||

Ok i m closing internet for today. I become too bitter.

[wind monolith]

u call the fandom out and then they have the victim complex, just now in the njz chat some weird guy came saying y we r trending njz hashtags calling out other fandoms

[frozen granite]

Ngl I also feel like most of the hate we encounter online doesn’t translate to the real world. In just 6 hours NJZ has accumulated over a thousand followers.

Only a portion of all fanbases dedicate their time online to hate & start fanwars. Literally, most of the fans don’t really care lol

[stiff prairie]

need more context. send the message link here?

[wind monolith]

search up viccqy look at his messeges

wait wrong spelling

#newjeans-chat message

[narrow seal]

Message linked

message posted on <t:1741489395:f>

from viccqy

she accused illit of not bowing to her… that’s what started the tags on Twitter from the tokkis😭
[Jump to message](#newjeans-chat message)

[wind monolith]

search his messeges up ull see

[stiff prairie]

tru. njz is this big so early is not because of fandom. but we have fire songs and that's what ppl want. but my mental health depends on not seeing fanwars or any hate to any group.

[frozen granite]

I think we have to differentiate between artists & also our lives lol but I know it’s easier said than done though.

[stiff prairie]

#newjeans-chat message
lmao. this is giving the same "i used to like nj but they're in with mhj so i don't support them anymore"

[copper jetty]

i think this is mostly because tokkis aren't really into the kpop fandom wars. Most of the fans aren't even kpop fans, so kpop culture of fan wars hasn't been that bad with us. Kudos to what Hybe did last april though cause i've seen a lot of tokkis get out to x to defend them because it was getting to much.

[stiff prairie]

i'm one of those. i don't even like twitter but i felt the need to clock some blatant lies at one point
i gave up on reddit long time ago and on tiktok comments it's like talking to a wall tbh

and i'm not even this kinda person. fighting online with random ppl. i like to be funny and shit

[copper jetty]

oh i gave up on reddit too. The upvote downvote system sucks. Even if you provided sources just as long as OP and the others don't like it you get instantly downvoted to hell.

[stiff prairie]

reddit is a numbers game

[short laurel]

This account atleast twter is decent but they hate mhj thx misinformation.

[tribal sand]

hiya I’m so confused

Could someone pls give a tldr?

[leaden thistle]

Isnt earlier Hanni said a manager tell a kpop group to ignore her? In theory is illit's manager, and now ppl are rumoring around saying hanni is lying that other group ignored her while she bowed them. And even ppl said hanni did not lie, like wtf is going on?

[frozen granite]

It really is crazy how is the fans invested more than the artists involved. For instance, I doubt illit & le sserafim mention NJZ. I am sure they are over this lol

[leaden thistle]

Even tho the cctv got leaked, that's not the point. But tbh hanni wouldn't lie about anything abt their greeting, their conversation between stuff right?

[short laurel]

Hanni said manager tell them to ignore her but members still greeted her. the story ador shared matches with hanni. They just twisting hanni's word.

[leaden thistle]

One more thing, i did not screenshot it down, but somehow i also sees a ig story-liked msg, saying they just faked around, it was just funny? From njz? Idk

In comment ppl also discussed it, like saying "letting bunnies, like us or idk who jist to bully the f out illit and le sserafim"

[red thorn]

Spin Hanni's chat and PRESENTED UNRELATED CCTV FOOTAGE

[short laurel]

All fandoms are bullying each other. Ignore them. Just army going mega extreme is annoying

[leaden thistle]

To be in that case, hybe and ador still twisting hanni's word?

[short laurel]

Ador saying hanni is lying n members greeted her.
Hanni complain is why manager told them to ignore her. Hanni mentioned that members did greet her

Throughout this it's ador n hybe who are hearing n spreading different story.

[copper jetty]

first off that cctv footage was a different day. Danielle was there but Hanni said before she was alone. Second in that cctv footage you can see illit members did greet Dani but the manager didn't. So you can clearly see how the staff (not the members) lowkey act with NJZ girls

[leaden thistle]

Tbh is this case twisting back to illit's debut toxic fandom eras? Like this case has been out for such a period of time, and already confirmed illit's manager started it, not the girl group themselves

[short laurel]

They just mad their fav groups name is being mentioned. Even though hybe is the one to share the name in public. They don't care about true story.

[stiff prairie]

sb send the yt vid of what hanni said in the live

[short laurel]

In NA last year hanni even requested to talk to manager to clear up in case of misunderstanding but manager didn't come. This is all i need to c who is guilty.

[leaden thistle]

Maybe these news occur often during my sleeptime, may send me the sources as well? Im so confused, thz this discussion channel ngl

[copper jetty]

about the text this is what Ador released

[leaden thistle]

Ya the manager started it

[copper jetty]

you can just read through it and tell us what you think

[stiff prairie]

#subbed-media message
start at 8 minute mark. she said the greeted each other. but the manager said to ignore her. but antis made it look like she said illit ignored her which is not true

[short laurel]

What we need to know is Ador hybe wants ppl to be confused about everything.

[leaden thistle]

Hanni got confused by their reactions as well, why would actually a group ignore a group, manager's word be like

[copper jetty]

This is what NJZ released btw... They omitted or blurred out what that member said and did because they didn't want hate to the other side

[leaden thistle]

I understand hanni's side, maybe illit themselves also confused why would they ignored her at the first glance

[wind monolith]

idk how to feel about that if one of the members said yes yes ill pretend i dont know her

[stiff prairie]

exactly. she didn't know antis will twist her words and select specific sentence to make it look like how they did. the problem is army has a huge number of fans so they can easily spread missinfo and bunnies w smaller fandom can't fight it with truth

[storm warren]

u dont ignore your seniors casually

[copper jetty]

or they're not in the position to question their management and hanni knows that. That's why she told mhj she was grateful to be working with their team

[wind monolith]

i dont blame them tho, they prbly have to listen or their job is on the line

[storm warren]

they got instruction from manager and did as such. it is power dynamic

managers hold significant power and influence and direct idols what to do or not, it is seen even during Lives where they shut idols up and even scold them

[short laurel]

14th can't come quick 😭

[short laurel]

Yet managers are " poor low level worker."

[stiff prairie]

23rd gotta come sooner than 14th

[leaden thistle]

Tbh, what illit can do? Even that time illit's first era was also a mess

[short laurel]

All gg goes through rough debut cuz of companies bs. It's like rite to passage

[leaden thistle]

And is still, everything to newjeans themselves, like what did both group do? During inkigayo illit still bow em, yes not all njz members saw em but hyein bowed as well

[short laurel]

Nj every release since debut has been same messy too thx to hybe

[leaden thistle]

Like, hybe should rlly not create dramas, first le sserafim now illit, srsly they couldnt leave company's conflicts for themselves but must influence their groups to each other

[storm warren]

nothing, they are complicit as they know they are favored by hybe regardless. they have no obligation to do anything but it is weird for anyone to ask our or NJZ's sympathy. illit thanked the specific people during award shows, even the ones who are usually never mentioned during speeches like VP and they made statement which alluded that they did not think their ceo did anything wrong. they are entitled to believe what they want and behave as such

[short laurel]

Hybe n it's labels use idols as shield n are super quick to protect bsh. They really shouldn't launch any gg.

[storm warren]

so is NJZ because they believe in their truth

[stiff prairie]

pretty sure their management made them do allat.

[short laurel]

Sad fact: often even award show speeches are scripted.

100% illit mentioning the names were scripted by belift lab

[leaden thistle]

So tru, even still happy to njz able to communicate with lssrfm during award shows and performance that time

[stiff prairie]

waiting for when hybe sees them as redundant and makes them go thru the hate cycle cause i know that day will come and i will be there to see which side their fans go with then

[leaden thistle]

Yes, illit CANNOT even mention njz, first time seeing this

This gen all groups by the company formed are cooked, like wtf making everything competitive? Wow

[storm warren]

does not matter. they care for themselves and they behave in accordance to it. NJZ also cares about themselves, their future and reputation and behaving to ensure they have better future and are free from shackles. ppl are coming selectively against NJZ for standing up for themselves. apparently they have to keep silent and not mention any group and their experiences so they dont affect other's image but no one wants to talk about how NJZ was affected

[short laurel]

Once njz hybe drama ends, they'll look to create drama with someone else. That's their entire promotion strategy.
Notice how mhj somu hearing is around sane time as lsfm cb...

[leaden thistle]

Idk abt mhj's act for leaving njz alone or what, idk if this tru, but yes njz now only able to care abt themselves

[stiff prairie]

sb needs to tell hybe this hate trains is giving nj a lot of exposure too. maybe that way they stop media play against our girls

[midnight zodiac]

gonna blame mhj if the album does badly?

[short laurel]

Yea or someone else. They blamed everyone they were fighting with even be4 nj debuted. Usual hybe things

[leaden thistle]

I dont think that is related to mhj herself now, she already resign not as the ceo of ador anymore

[copper jetty]

let's be fr... they already did that in the Hybe vs Belift

[leaden thistle]

Used to be hybe vs ador, and now hybe + ador vs njz? Idk tbh, confusing

[copper jetty]

used to be Hybe vs Ador (MHJ), now Hybe (Source + Belift + Ador) vs MHJ or Hybe (Ador) vs NJZ

[short laurel]

Og ador be4. Now odor since og team left

[leaden thistle]

The war nvr ends, this is just a endless cycle wow

[copper jetty]

well i would say Hybe shot themselves in the foot with this last april. They could've done this internally but they chose not to.

https://tenor.com/view/whatever-you-say-gif-16431179117705245130

[cerulean lake]

literally they got all salty bc of a private email mhj sent 😭😭

even if a company is not happy with someone (which we already know bsh was beefing with mhj), you don’t just come up with some plot and try to kick out a KEY EMPLOYEE that did so much shit for your company because of a valid complaint 😭😭

i’m not a big mhj defender but let’s be fr, she did a lot for hybe starting from the design of the building, logo, and even slogan. they really just tried to kick her out easily with some type of narrative that they don’t even bother bringing up now (cough cough those allegations about her conspiring with saudi arabian investors)

[copper jetty]

Also, whatever happened to that police investigation? It's been a year now and there's still no result or update? Or were they just expecting people to forget that?

[leaden thistle]

At the end they used idol as their public shield

[short laurel]

Probably the later one lol

[copper jetty]

tskkk typical hybe... overload the media to cause confusion and to forget previous issues...

[midnight zodiac]

they didn't think she would actually fight back. they thought they could just use her and toss her.

[copper jetty]

honestly, i saw on X and I don't know how credible it is, but they said this isn't even the first time that BSH did this... Idk, take it maybe with a grain of salt but if it is true, then.. dang

[sage venture]

their head got arrested for involvement in martial law so it's getting delayed again

[short laurel]

I believe it especially cuz how quick company is to defend him n how he shows off in his interviews. He got lucky with bts n he acts like he created some master formula n keep saying his formula this formula that everytime

[copper jetty]

if it really was a formula then how come there never was a group from hybe that could compete with BTS after them? The one that got close enough was NJ, and he was salty because it wasn't his group but MHJ's.

[short laurel]

exactly xD

[sage venture]

yes that's true This is her thread account She used to be a former BigHit employee
https://www.threads.net/@ellychae.official
she was kicked out in almost the same way as MHJ

[midnight zodiac]

they thought it would be the same thing again but MHJ didn't back down

[short laurel]

remember this chat used to curse at MHJ when all this started

[copper jetty]

oh i was one of those...

[short laurel]

i just came here that day and asked "is it true that mhj is the reason behind gfriend disbandment" but by the time this chat had become decent by then and supported mhj thankfully. it was be4 her press con. but press con really changed so many ppls mind lol

[copper jetty]

same. I was cursing her at the start but i was mostly reading those mistranslated qoutes. When i got here i was surprised it was different

[sage venture]

https://www.instiz.net/name_enter/93947390?frompc=1&category=2
That's her story
basically BSH begged her to join when scouting her, but after the company succeeded, they isolated and pushed her out He even told her to act like 'the tongue in the mouth'
It sounds very familiar

[leaden thistle]

lets

[copper jetty]

what's tongue in the mouth?

[short laurel]

yea this got surpressed with all the fight online. thx for bringing back attention to this. she deserves justice.

[sage venture]

well that’s a condescending way of saying 'know your place and do as I say'

[short laurel]

classic korean elite men...

[sage venture]

she was even gaslit/threatened and forced to forfeit her stock options Maybe this kind of threatening tactic is at the core of their company The only difference is that MHJ wasn't someone they could get rid of so easily

[copper jetty]

thanks for the article... so it really did happen. smdh

[copper jetty]

they thought that they could do it again since they succeeded before but they barked up the wrong tree and here we are now. Not only did they piss the creative industry with what they did they pissed us as a fandom too. Ig they never expected mhj and the girls to stand up to them including us bunnies as a fandom.

[short laurel]

mhj with 20 years in industry with actual deep creative connections, they thought they could stop her. nj with intl members used to australian life style. they thought they could silence them. the fandom who are made of music fans instead of usual kpop fans. they thought they could apply same kpop tactic to us. hybe messed up on so many fronts

[lucid yarrow]

but thier tactic of using all the groups as sacrifice is crazy

[copper jetty]

i also think that Hybe thought the fandom demographic would transfer to their ggs. Jokes on them we're more of a fan of music than the actual idols. NJZ girls personalities are just a bonus on my part.

[sage venture]

what’s strange to me is that if HYBE had just kicked out MHJ but treated the NJZ members well, the fandom and even the members would have been in a really difficult position But HYBE didn’t even try that Looking back, they were so arrogant, thinking they could control anyone and do whatever they wanted

[short laurel]

i do worry if their redebut not liked by fans. but with the list of producers ador showed, fans would've definitely left nj. so girls redebuting outside ador is great

[copper jetty]

Yeah it is crazy, They literally throw their ggs to the wolves and have them fend off all the crazies. Like what happened when they uncensored Hanni's texts. I think it's a tactic atp, to gain sympathy. Sympathy = engagement and then you'll end up stanning those gg

[midnight zodiac]

i came for the music. stayed and became a dedicated fan because of the girls' personalities

[copper jetty]

i think they thought that the members wouldn't amount to anything after leaving them, so they never bothered. I mean with their crazy media play to tarnish NJZ's and the members' reputation that's what they wanted, especially targeting Hanni, who is the most popular? They wanted to reduce that popularity

[cinder narwhal]

relatable

[copper jetty]

Also, just to make note, if any other 4th gen group happens to have the issues that NJZ have right now, They're done. NOT NJZ though and the members, and that's why Hybe is fighting again in court... They either want to continue to tarnish the members' reputation or have them back to hybe cause they couldn't kill it.

[sage venture]

yep I think they're using every bit of power to undermine the NJZ members right now Even the slides in court don’t mention anything about recovering trust it's all about attacking the NJZ members Well, ironically, thanks to them, the fandom and the members can all unite

[copper jetty]

i would still defer my judgement until they release the song. I mean, it might be different from what they usually release but if it's good and i like it i would still stan. Also, after everything that's happened, i would still be with them. No matter what and I would like to thank Hybe for that.

[sage venture]

it might sound strange, but in a way, I'm actually grateful that NJZ got the chance to break away from that company before releasing their full album It's better to cut ties with a shady company ASAP For me, regardless of the music, their re-debut will just feel like a celebration, a fresh start

[short laurel]

us dedicated fans yea. i meant more of casual fans.

but yea we'll know once they release songs. under hybe they would've lost the casual fans as seen by those producers list. atleast on their own they can do what they enjoy and being doing, instead of being manufactured like most of kpop under hybe.

[tawdry vessel]

im mad to those dumbass ex-tokkis who are siding with hybe.. betrayal to the girls and the fans

[copper jetty]

idk, casual fans wouldn't know though, since they just like what they listen to and if NJZ releases songs that still appeal to them in a way even though it's changed i feel like they would still listen.

[short laurel]

they are not tokkies. they never were. or they would've know what hanni actually said in the live.

[copper jetty]

Also, there's a lot of casual fans who became dedicated fans because of what hybe did.

[short laurel]

casual fans would've left if girls remained under hybe cuz hybe music are not for casual fans.

seriously i m seeing so many people in tokkies who never liked kpop and don't understand the hype around it but lvoe nj music.

[copper jetty]

🖐️

[midnight zodiac]

very common

[copper jetty]

That's literally me

[sage venture]

isn't it pretty normal for Kpop scene to move between fandoms? NJZ is fine People like me only listen to them within the Kpop category and I'm pretty sure half of NJZ's listeners like me

[copper jetty]

my best friend wanted to get me with BTS... Their music... wasn't for me

[short laurel]

one of the ones i know from a game's clan straight up said "bts music sounds so bad, why these people so hyped up" when he was in korea for work :v i kinda like some of bts music so idk what to say to him

[copper jetty]

i liked their earlier works. Not now though... The last thing i heard and liked was Tae's album

[short laurel]

common complaint amaong old army. old army who are somewhat decent people. pre west bts army fandom

[copper jetty]

thing is i'm not an army... I grew up listening to them though cause my sisters are army

[short laurel]

what is your sister stances now?

[copper jetty]

they're neutral but kinda tired with the NJZ drama

i don't talk about it with them and to my friend who's also an army

[short laurel]

ppl who are not even part of it but says they are tired with the drama. -_- (sorry not attacking your sister)

[tawdry vessel]

better that way

[copper jetty]

last time i talked it with my friend i became angry. She said it's ok to tell people to ignore a person and i walked out. Never talked about NJZ again with her

[copper jetty]

it's ok. It's true

[cinder narwhal]

ok in the workplace is crazy

[copper jetty]

exactly... i was thinking of making an example cause she's my friend from the workplace (ironic) but i wanted to tell her to ignore my other friend just because she said there was nothing wrong with it... If she reacts then what she said was wrong but I'm not mean enough to do it. I just ended up not talking about NJZ.

[split bramble]

i am one of them, I'm usually a rnb, cpop and kindie listener

hybe petrified of them for a reason, they know njz have crossed over while their selected ones are stuck in niche circle

[short laurel]

Nj truly expanded kpop in actual music fans circle. While hybe's are still in noise making circle they expended globally in mostly noise making. Lol

[heavy ocean]

Was the provided footage that originally "was deleted" from may 27th or may 28th

Because I'm pretty sure illit was in japan on May 28th and also Hanni said it was on the day they went to Busan university which was on May 28th

Oh wait nvm I just found out it was a radio event where they gave a message

[wind monolith]

May 28th was when hanni said it occurred. Ador sent 27th

Illit had a show broadcasted on 28th it doesnt mean they were in japan

[heavy ocean]

Ik but I saw a post last night claiming illit actually went to Japan on May 28th 😭

[wind monolith]

Did they have proof saying they were in japan as far as i know it was a broadcast

[heavy ocean]

No they just posted an image from the illit japan Twitter saying they would make an appearance but it turns out only their message was broadcasted