NJZ Updates and Discussion

[harsh dove]

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[hoary frost]

*twt -c https://x.com/newjeans_loop/status/1892114302443917340?s=46

[harsh dove]

@newjeans_loop <t:1739950178:d>

Hello.
This morning, we saw that five organizations— the Korea Entertainment Management Association, the Korea Entertainment Producers Association, the Korea Music Label Industry Association, the Korea Record Industry Association, and the Korea Music Content Association—issued a statement to the press.
It is truly regrettable that they are making statements that undermine the fairness of the trial by presenting unconfirmed facts as if they were already determined, despite knowing full well that neither the preliminary injunction nor the main trial has even begun. As always, I ask for your understanding in advance that this may be a long message, as artists have fewer channels to express their stance compared to companies that can freely do so through associations and major media outlets.

The five organizations claim that the NJZ members are attempting to resolve what should be a private dispute through public opinion and unilateral declarations rather than negotiations or legal procedures. However, the public surely remembers who first began a media campaign by publicly spreading baseless allegations to oust the former CEO of ADOR, who was trying to address serious issues within HYBE. At that time, HYBE either deliberately fueled or turned a blind eye to the flood of news articles about absurd accusations such as "tampering" and "gaslighting" concerning NewJeans. Everyone also remembers that this media frenzy began less than a week before NewJeans' comeback. No entertainment company would ever do such a thing just a week before their artist’s comeback. I would like to ask where the associations were and what they were doing back then.
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The five organizations also argue that the K-pop industry is suffering severe damage because a private dispute has been unilaterally made public and turned into a controversy. However, the real victims of this one-sided and unbalanced media coverage are the NJZ me

[short laurel]

many fought and tried to change very few succeeded but partially and at lose. JYJ is most used example for reducing contract period.

[hoary frost]

I definitely do see that Kiiikii have some inspirations from Newjeans n I heard that they addressed that but using it as their entire marketing tactic is crazy

[short laurel]

tbh i m not expecting industry to change unless NA make proper laws for it which many ex-idols have been demanding and is ongoing discussion in NA even be4 hanni attended it.

[tiny peak]

I guess I'm trying to say no group right now can copy what NJZ is now at its core. it's deeper than aesthetics and concepts

[cinder narwhal]

when was the last time a big star was blacklisted? 15 years ago with jyj? is there anything more recent

[hoary frost]

Blacklisted frm the industry?

[short laurel]

should be many. i remember ailee.

[upbeat stream]

From media appearances at stuff like mbc, sbs, kbs, etc

They were able to sell albums and perform at stadiums

[jolly junco]

Snsd jess

[cinder narwhal]

"big"

[short laurel]

it's harder to block big names in age of heavy social media. only nugu's are in danger of being blocked

[upbeat stream]

JYJ performed at the Olympic stadium something very few artists have done

[jolly junco]

Jess is not big? 😭

[short laurel]

SNSD jess is big

[cinder narwhal]

see idk why anyone scared of blacklisting especially in this day and age

[tiny peak]

yeah I remember when IZNA used NJZ for noise marketing too. it's funny how Starship has to make it super super obvious that this is markeitng tactic, because kpop fans are either dumb or delusional

[short laurel]

cuz people don't understand how it works. most people crying are kids

[sage venture]

AFAIK, the law won’t allow it Of course, they'll try to find loopholes

[upbeat stream]

At any rate, there are some powerful people ine the industry who know njz very well, where hybe's influence does not reach. Hybe can't prevent njz from variety shows entirely

[wind monolith]

https://x.com/talytokki/status/1892145291635101769?s=46

taly (@talytokki) on X

So, Ador just released a statement on behalf of HYBE’s chairman, Bang Si-Hyuk, claiming that Bang never contacted Complex.

Oh, so Ador and HYBE are the same thing, I guess? I was expecting HYBE to release the statement, not ADOR… lol

X · Feb 19, 2025, 9:32 AM

[upbeat stream]

There's Yoo Jae-suk, Na Young-seok and Park Myung-soo

[hoary frost]

Hybe isnt everything is Hybe not nugu in western countries?

[wind monolith]

https://x.com/talytokki/status/1892146995491467500?s=46

taly (@talytokki) on X

Ador requested Complex to refer to NJZ as “NewJeans” and to organize the concert through Ador.

However, it seems like Complex stood their ground, as NJZ is still headlining without Ador 🤭

X · Feb 19, 2025, 9:39 AM

[upbeat stream]

Hybe definitely can't stop them from having njz on their show

[tiny peak]

how is HYBE so bad at PR

[short laurel]

admission of ador and hybe are 1 entity nice.

[tiny peak]

HYBE is nugu in the eyes of ComplexCon and their audience

[hoary frost]

I actually cant wait for the day Hybe crumbles

Leave NJZ alone tf

[upbeat stream]

Hybe/Ador can't win now, they proved themselves that hybe = ador

[tiny peak]

they are so incompetent

[fierce cloak]

NJZ's parents & lawyers gathering all evidences now

[hoary frost]

I am also very thankful for Team Bunnies for bringing down Aespan n Sniper

[short laurel]

ador sure is quick in defending BSH. but does nothign to protect NJ

[hoary frost]

Hybe has also done nothing to protect any of their groups

Hybe winning isnt real

[fierce cloak]

aside of svt, maybe txt, a bit of lsrfm that have some level of success, they debut a lot of groups but kinda flop tho?

[short laurel]

SVT is not launched by Hybe.

[fierce cloak]

with this rate i doubt svt or txt would renew in the future, they got exploited too much it damage their health

[fierce cloak]

yeah i mean in term of financial making now

[short laurel]

SVT were already growing be4 hybe aquired pladis. they just taking credit for nothing

there's a reason hybe still not considered big 3/4

[fierce cloak]

yeah hybe is not sustainable

court date for njz vs ador is march would be injunction for signing with advertisers and april would be court ruling for whether contract terminate is valid or not right?

[upbeat stream]

Yes

Injunction result within a month while the main lawsuit could take 1-2 years

[fierce cloak]

around same time also court ruling whether mhj can get her stock share payment?

[upbeat stream]

That's April 17, but it's the 2nd hearing. The 1st one took place on Jan 23

[fierce cloak]

took up to 2 years to see whether the termination was valid or not?

[short laurel]

it can be quick, it can be slow. depends

[upbeat stream]

From what I understand, they'll determine whether the grounds for termination were justified or not. The contract itself is gone

[warm shard]

they debuted bnd, tws but ive never seen them have a lot of fans outside of selling and charting well (but i saw that questioned too)

it's very too much too similar

[waxen musk]

I’m up

[jolly junco]

you have A LOT to catch up

[waxen musk]

I’m still in bed. Literally. But I see a bunch of notifications.

[short laurel]

#1231839760759263232 message

[jolly junco]

dont freak out, just read and be bunnies

[short laurel]

#1231839760759263232 message

[waxen musk]

Ok. Just me read on own pace.

[short laurel]

1st is kmca and others. 2nd is NJ parents

[glossy siren]

This is a huge reveal

[orchid field]

they are practically giving njzpr free evidence

[jolly junco]

it can only be evidence if they have literal evidence (recording or email or anything), he said she said doesnt work at the court

[glossy siren]

He has BTS, and to be honest, their silence in this situation, given the magnitude of their global influence and how powerful their voice could be, tells me a lot about all those past speeches about life in important auditoriums… air. I mean thanks jk for 5 emojis...i guess. I want to see the industry stand up.

Hybe is moving like a mafia

[upbeat stream]

Complex will have record. If they are willing to help, then that would be a huge boost for their case

[waxen musk]

Thanks for letting me know something happened. I just caught up based on the two links given. I'll be honest though, nothing is really changing too much, so I'm a bit confused about the "broooo wake up!!!" message. But BSH is such a bitch holy shit.

[upbeat stream]

The big deal, to me, is Complex refusing to listen to BSH

[waxen musk]

I do worry about any success he might have had in stopping things that we may not know about yet.

[upbeat stream]

My thoughts exactly

[split bramble]

even actual goliaths in the music industry wouldnt ask for something like that, not cause they arent vindictive but cause they know better

hybe really nugu

[buoyant hamlet]

Do we know if that is confirmed though? Not sure if I'm thinking too much into it but it's not clear from the njz_pr statement, but did BSH try to stop the HK performance, the potential Las Vegas performance, or both? Did he not succeed in either and we're going to see NJZ in Las Vegas or was he able to block the Las Vegas performance if they were planning to?

[upbeat stream]

Yeah that isn't clear. But since Complex refused to change NJZ to Newjeans, I'm assuming that if NJZ is indeed supposed to perform in Vegas, then they will be able to

[hoary frost]

Tokkis are the mentally strongest fandom in kpop, hands down. The ones who have to deal with nothing but slander and we still support, find the truths in a showering of lies.. it's commendable

[jolly junco]

the wasnt any announcement about NJZ going to perform in Las Vegas, only in HK

[short laurel]

mostly likely parents have email from complexcon about this. and i hope complexcon have recording of BSH too. cuz if NJ decided to use that complexcon needs to show their side too.

[buoyant hamlet]

Right, but there hasn't been any announcement of any performers for Complexcon LV yet. I guess we just don't know yet

[short laurel]

LV event is still very far. performers list will change during this time.

[short laurel]

ador event made statement defending BSH after nj parents statement

[jolly junco]

nah NJZ might be busy with their own world tour for that time manifesting

[buoyant hamlet]

I hope so

either way if I don't see NJZ on the artist list in LV im blaming BSH

[storm warren]

NJZ might announce and start tour by then

[orchid field]

Just a light recap

And a cancelled full album

[short laurel]

fight with all of NJ partners. director Shin, stylist, BANA, etc

i c fandom not mention this part enough. hybe/odor pissed of everyone of OG ador staff.

[jolly junco]

I heard that china is going to lift the korean ban soon

Something is cooking

NJZ sudden appearance in HK then this news

[stiff prairie]

i forgot dir shin has a lawsuit against ador too

[short laurel]

cuz no one talks about it. 😦

[stiff prairie]

maybe they will once court date come up

[stiff prairie]

how did the ban work like korean idols can't promote in china?

[jolly junco]

Yeah they cant held concert in china

[stiff prairie]

njz in china... interesting

[jolly junco]

Some korean actor/artist to starred in chinese movie/series also got cancelled even tho the recording already done

I remember i was waiting for krystal movie with someone name Lay, its chinese movie. She already done the recording, been years and the movie never got to the big screen

[stiff prairie]

when did this ban occur? like before that kr artists could do anything in china?

[jolly junco]

Yes i think its around 10 years ago?

I dont remember you can google it

[stiff prairie]

2016 because of weapon stuff

i thought china was always closed off like that

anyways i hope the firewall let's out fancams tho if they do appear in china

[jolly junco]

Hahah not always, they are not like north korea. Yoona has quite a lot of activities in china before the ban

The firewalls tho it wont get lifted. China govt is very strict in controlling their media, what their citizen can/cant watch

[stiff prairie]

i mean i get the incoming media part but why restrict outgoing of media

also tmi i watch a chinese anime these days called link click it's so good

[jolly junco]

If you watch a lot of chinese drama/movie you would know that even their celebrities cannot coloring their hair for national event/public event

[stiff prairie]

[short laurel]

hongkong rules are slightly different. kpop was banned even there ???????

[jolly junco]

Idk about hong kong, are they still part of china?

[short laurel]

it's disputed but kpop is not banned there i m pretty sure.

[stiff prairie]

no they weren't

[short laurel]

hongkong is more open than rest of china.

[jolly junco]

China was boosting their entertainment industry a lot these past years, i noticed that the older generation idol who are from china getting called back to their country. They offer them a whole lot better contract so they wont get back to korea

[stiff prairie]

is there any recognized group these days that has chinese members?

the only one related to china in entertainment i know is laufey and she's only half chinese

[jolly junco]

You are asking the wrong person i dont know any new group

Is it possible that NJZ had a backing from china? Or US? Which is more likely?

[stiff prairie]

gidle, kep1er, nct has chinese members apparently. idk how it works.

[hoary frost]

Yes and ningning so aespa too

[jolly junco]

This is confusing

[stiff prairie]

i do not see how would they suddenly get that chinese backing, like where would that connection come from. with US it's more believable

[stiff prairie]

never would've guessed ningning is chinese

[jolly junco]

The name ning2 is very chinese tho

[stiff prairie]

yeah i mean now it makes sense after knowing lol

[jolly junco]

Btw lee soo man is in china nowdays, with his new trainee he recruited (mostly chinese)

And you know how close LSM with MHJ

I’m being delulu but what if

[hoary frost]

HAHAHA WAIT

[stiff prairie]

no i'm not really aware of lsm's relationship w mhj. i heard that he's also v problematic person. idk if mhj can work with him after being hit with another problematic person

[jolly junco]

I think LSM have a pretty good connection in china, SM was the only company with chinese trainee back then

[jolly junco]

Lsm offered mhj to have her own division/company something like that when she decided to leave SM, iirc LSM offered her that so she wont leave SM

[stiff prairie]

bet mhj regrets the decision she made now lol

well good for us cause otherwise njz might not have existed

[upbeat stream]

And he has been singularly obsessed with China. It was his dream to conquer China. Honestly it was kinda working before kpop got banned

[jolly junco]

Because china has a very big market

[upbeat stream]

SM has debuted more Chinese idols than anyone else

Yeah, I was looking at most attended tours of all time and was surprised to see Chinese singers

[jolly junco]

Most of kpop album sales goes to china, not US

[stiff prairie]

the plot thickens

[jolly junco]

My delulu is going somewhere

[short laurel]

nvm she not chinese. i mixed up

[stiff prairie]

still i think it's a stretch cause joining hands with china is not really the kind of global i'd expect

[upbeat stream]

I think hybe will be forced to settle at some point, provided they lose the injunction

Because njz will just promote from China in the worst case of them losing the main lawsuit, and their corporates have even more global connections than hybe

That's why these orgs are flailing wildly

[jolly junco]

I’m not saying that the girls will get blacklisted in korea, but judging from the past JYJ and Jessica its possible

[upbeat stream]

They know how bad it can all turn out for hybe and for Korea, just imagine the embarrassment for the whole nation if that really happens

[jolly junco]

Both JYJ and Jess went to china after their dispute with SM

[upbeat stream]

JYJ promoted in Japan too

[stiff prairie]

we'll be all over japan no doubt about that imo

[short laurel]

their tourism ambassadors are being insulted by their media. it's already embarrasing. issue is they not realise it.

[stiff prairie]

that tokyo dome really did smth there

[orchid field]

this is an ongoing contention

[short laurel]

ooh yea. just know that kpop is not banned in hongkong.

[upbeat stream]

An nsync style deal where hybe gets a % cut from njz activities would be reasonable but then hybe has been anything but reasonable so far

[stiff prairie]

nooo i don't want to have anything to do with hybe after all this is over

[upbeat stream]

Just read up the nsync contract dispute, it's very interesting and perhaps the only western example I can think of

[stiff prairie]

i hope our guy goes to jail like pearlman did

[short laurel]

our guy ?

[short laurel]

which pop is nsych. i m getting linux stuff on searching that name

[stiff prairie]

yk what i mean

[frozen granite]

On April we find out if NJZ can keep their former name (NewJeans) & their songs ?

[short laurel]

ooh Florida found it.

[stiff prairie]

noo fight for ip rights will take way longer

[short laurel]

no, april is 1st hearing of contract validity case. NJ will need to file a lawsuit if they want their IP.

[frozen granite]

Oh ok so if the court rules breach of contract then Njz will be free to go without penalties right ? Sorry I’ve been out of the loop

[stiff prairie]

essentially yes.

[short laurel]

yea. but it's just 1st hearing so case can go on longer.

on april most likely court will only listen to both sides claims and give them time to submit additional evidence from each side and decide on later dates.

[hoary frost]

Hopefully Hybe pays them like Haerin insinuated at the pc

[stable escarp]

Can anyone explain to me what the "njz nacho" thing is abt? ive seen explanations but the lingo gives me brain damage and js confuses me more

[hoary frost]

Reheating someone’s nachos essentially just means that you are rehashing their already done concepts and not doing something original

[stable escarp]

Oh ic. Imma js assume theyre saying another groups "nacho-ing?" off njz Or you meant that njz is recycling their own concept. Why cant people js say it as it is and not wit these terms

[hoary frost]

They’re talking about groups like kiiikiii and that other one I’m forgetting the name of. Not NJZ rehashing their own concept. Actually; some people have left the fandom thinking NJZ changed TOO much 🤦🏻

[stable escarp]

Oh ye the rise of newjeans feeling typa groups. People still stay ignorant and cant accept that newjeans is the inspiration

[copper jetty]

they have? NJZ hasn't even released anything so how?

or are they just assuming things because of the photoshoot?

[hoary frost]

Literally that. Isn’t that hilarious

[short laurel]

Classic kpop stans behaviour. Happens.

[frozen granite]

Is KMCA & the other companies losing the battle for public opinion? What is SK’s stance on NJZ ?

[jolly junco]

AFAIK SK general publics are on NJZ side

These so called “association” gonna held a press conference inviting all the reporters next week, sources said they gonna release a press release against NJZ all together that day

TMI: the reporters are given “expensive meals” at the hotel where the press conference will be held
It cost approx. 100k KRW per pax

I guess even govt are on NJZ side actually, if we looked back at the NA where a representative from democratic party urging the ministry to quickly solved hanni visa’s issues ASAP so the girls can continue their activities as celebrity

[jolly junco]

Without knowing for the fact that hanni’s visa has been issued the day before

[red thorn]

https://www.ddinstagram.com/p/DGQASZrJEaC/?igsh=MXI2b3kyemNsdDZoaA==

[shut kelp]

anyone know why they're trending right now?

[jolly junco]

Wow is this fraudor attempt to bury NJZ and use the name newjeans instead?

[shut kelp]

did i miss something?

i know njz pr posted something

[jolly junco]

Somewhere up there…..

We really need to pin every NJZ pr post 😭

@shut kelp there you go

[steel depot]

the man is asking for a big karma... he's not waiting for his big kpop group to release but a big karma...

he's really threatened

[copper jetty]

he already has a lot of kpop groups like those guys and those 2 gg. He should focus on that instead of njz. He was ignoring them before, it should go back to that lmao.

[cinder narwhal]

did bang really stay in the US for ozempic

[sage venture]

speak of the devil, BSH was spotted in Korea today and yes, with that ozempic face I wonder when he's finally going to face the press?

[steel depot]

so that's where he spends all that money

[stiff prairie]

apparently he's attending some business convention/meeting stuff. bro would rather hang around with them hoes when he was called by the NA but now he decides to show up lol

[steel depot]

probably a meeting with the KMCA and friends

[polar owl]

"Major Korean Entertainment Associations Publicly Condemn NJZ (NewJeans) And ADOR Controversy" - who are these major associations?

[stiff prairie]

kmca, kema and the bois

[copper jetty]

i think there's an event regarding one of those business association in kpop. I just don't know which but apparently he's attending.

Also, is it a coincidence that those 5 Major Korean Entertainment announce this and he's in korea right now? Must've called his other buddies to present a united front on kpop business side. 🤢

[stiff prairie]

*x -c https://x.com/cato_o_o/status/1892424505642909700

[harsh dove]

@cato_o_o <t:1740024136:d>

Article

Feb 19 2025

Correcting Misinformation from YouTuber Lee Jin-ho’s Video

After being acquired by E-Daily, Ilgan Sports implemented new editorial guidelines, one of which is not to report on content from cyber wrecker(sensationalist YouTube channels).Lee Jin-ho’s+

Link👇

[stiff prairie]

lee jinho's getting some heat apparently. not because of njz but the actress that died recently, he was cyber wrecking her too. this pos should have his yt channel deleted just because of this

*x -c https://x.com/PopBase/status/1892387587517546589

[harsh dove]

@PopBase <t:1740015334:d>

ROSÉ has withdrawn from the KOMCA (Korea Music Copyright Association), first Korean artist since Seo Taji in 2002 to do so.

Her copyrights will now be managed by U.S. publishers.

[stiff prairie]

NJZ next i suppose

[cinder narwhal]

this is different from kmca btw, I see many on x confusing the two

https://x.com/CakeDegg/status/1892424418632056850

Cake🍀 (@CakeDegg) on X

The false news report released by Yahoo made many Japanese bunnies think that NJZ’s performance on the 23rd was canceled. I hope @Complex @ComplexCon can hold them responsible for this

X · Feb 20, 2025, 4:01 AM

[stiff prairie]

yeah but doesn't it basically mean she won't be on any korean music charts sales charts etc?

[stiff prairie]

this should be reported to team bunnies i think. that way they can correct them or take down the article cause i don't think yahoo is holding hands with hybe. could be they made an honest mistake idk

[cinder narwhal]

idk but I don't think that's the case

[short laurel]

Nothing will happen to him as usual. There was no action to these similar cases in past

Yahoo is huge. They are not something that'll follow hybe.

[kindred estuary]

the yahoo article was already removed

[copper jetty]

Honestly I'm getting confused with those korean music associations, Komca, KMCA, idk what the other one is... why can't they centralize this into one whole association? Is there a difference to them??

[stiff prairie]

oh that's good then

[short laurel]

All shit made n run by kpop companies.

[cinder narwhal]

komca = copyrights. they chill
kmca = content. Basically an association of agencies

[stiff prairie]

komca is a legit thing i think like they handle music copyrights stuff. kmca etc are just a thing big companies came together and made to control the artists in guise of saving the industry

[short laurel]

Aside from komca yea

[kindred estuary]

it was mass reported by j-tokkies so it was taken down early, the article was up for 3 hrs. though

[copper jetty]

that's good that it was down now. But considering, i hope we can still see resale of complexcon tickets. Honestly, i want to go but I need to get japan visa if ever.

[stiff prairie]

damn that's nice to know. impressed with both jp bunnies and kr bunnies. the girls are in good hands with them 🥲

[upbeat stream]

Foreign music charts in Korea lol, no issues there. But she might not be eligible for music shows, since they don't allow foreign songs, but then she does have a distribution deal with theblacklabel, so I'm not 100% sure

[upbeat stream]

Kmca does control circle chart though

[short laurel]

N that only shows circle chart not trust worthy.
Like jeff said. It'll only make circle chart look ridiculous if njz are on every chart except circle. When they threatened to not put nj on it

[red thorn]

People still with KMCA and KOMCA haha,
Saw kcharstmaster's tweet put the kmca logo instead of komca

[stiff prairie]

kchartmasters are stupid that's all. i can understand if normal ppl like us are confused

[stiff prairie]

that's the album sales one right? as long as njz wins this lawsuit idc what chart they're on or not. i just hope the judge don't get influenced by these moves from kmca and co

[upbeat stream]

They are like billboard, so they have a song chart, an album chart and several others

[stiff prairie]

well whatever. being charted or not is a non issue. those who'll listen to their songs and buy albums will continue to do so. it just takes away the gratification we feel when we see their name on top of these rankings

[cerulean lake]

someone get rid of this guy like sojang

mfers like that should not be roaming around in society and thinking they can talk crap abt anyone without any repercussions

when was his last vid?

[cinder narwhal]

oh yeah i liked his vids

[cerulean lake]

ohh ur talking abt KMCA? i thought u were talking abt that stupid jinho guy 😭

[zenith bane]

KMCA is the association that runs Circle chart (formally Gaon), which was meant to be a domestic version of Billboard. KMCA buddied up with with the Korean culture and tourism folks to legitimise and export Kpop internationally when it became popular. Gaon was shady and faced many controversies over chart manipulation. All these associations coming out with messaging denouncing NJZ because it destabilizes their financial interests in marketing the 'perfect image' of Kpop artists. Of course they would hate it when the truth is exposed

[cerulean lake]

i don’t think these industries get that people internationally get turned off by kpop bc of how manufactured it looks with this perfect image being needed

[mild mist]

Billboard is just a magazine, the GAON chart is more analogous to the Official Charts Company

Which, funnily enough, is also owned by a union of record labels

[short laurel]

kpop is already looked down by many. i have a friend from west. he was once dragged in kpop concert of bts... and he didn't understand why everyone liked it. he is a huge music fan. there are many like him. it's not much liked among music fans.

but he likes NJ music.

[cinder narwhal]

the what why is billboard THE metric then

https://x.com/juantokki/status/1892359394257752207

1tokki (@juantokki) on X

It’s absolutely vile how the media manipulates and buries the truth. Just look at these numbers. Yesterday alone, there were 27 reports about NJZ’s parents’ statement. Sounds like a lot? Not when you compare it to the 133 articles KMCA and their cronies managed to churn out. On

X · Feb 19, 2025, 11:43 PM

I cant unsee Juan typing away his yaps on his workstation now

[short laurel]

1.7k against an individual is sooo much. especially in a country where so many have unalive themselves over this exact thing. after attacks like these again and again soo many times over the years against countless individuals, government should taken serious action already but they have yet to do anything.

[mild mist]

🇺🇸

[ashen charm]

kpop is defiantly an aquired taste

[upbeat stream]

I am worried that some random people are applying for NJZ trademark

In that case, it won't be granted right? idk how it works

[mild mist]

It's specific by business area.
You could, for example, trademark 'njz' as a restaurant name because there's no overlap with music

[hoary frost]

An easy way to remember how to spell definitely is to break it up into three different sections. De finite ly

[hoary frost]

U get 2 booms

[hoary frost]

What’s that mean? Haha

It means u get 2 booms

[stiff prairie]

it's a meme

[upbeat stream]

Let's see how quickly this gets removed (or not)

[stiff prairie]

did r/kpop also say the ck deal is not official or made up or smth?

[upbeat stream]

Yeah lol they were saying it's fake or cancelled or via ador

[steep torrent]

*x -c https://x.com/minjigongjunim1/status/1892579697218711841?s=46

[harsh dove]

@minjigongjunim1 <t:1740061136:d>

I'm cracking up right now 😭 Then these guys will tell you they know more about this situation than people inside the industry. bunch of clowns with 0 idea of anything

[upbeat stream]

Three dumb explanations even at that time

Like I could've told them how none of them made sense but they would've just downvoted me 🤷‍♂️

Trolling redditors is so fun because you know they are popping veins

[hoary frost]

I left redditors in January

[stiff prairie]

i might go have a look later what new copium they're inhaling this time

[short laurel]

u guys are mentally strong to be able to read kpop reddit without headache

[ashen charm]

I'm coming for you

[upbeat stream]

When the going is tough, I can't. But right now? We are thriving and then reddit just becomes hilarious cope

[short laurel]

i opened it and i can't. comments there caused me more headache. they always have some BS excuse to counter.

[orchid field]

cant tag them i've been blocked

[hoary frost]

Why DO we think CK didn't say NJZ? It's good they didn't say NewJeans, but ive been thinking about it wondering

[frozen granite]

For that fanbase that claims NJZ belongs to ADOR/HYBE, have they wonder why the NewJeans ig account hasn’t promoted the CK collab? it’s obvious they have no power over them

[cerulean lake]

i mean i think they did this campaign a while back already when NJZ wasn’t a thing. that person just leaked it early

[orchid field]

Educated guess would be njz wasnt chosen at the time

[cosmic belfry]

For now, their names are more recognizable than NJZ

[short laurel]

But if they added "from NJZ" or something similar. It would've helped spread the name

[hoary frost]

True, but even on their socials, they could have said NJZ you know?

[short laurel]

https://x.com/daegustime/status/1892274644826062857?t=Y-Slby0yfnNfP1tNIgTEOw&s=19
Sorry for putting this but i find it funny cuz they are half right. Tokkies are like exol. Both get attacked from hybe stans unprovoked 😭

jay⁷ (@daegustime) on X

newjeans fans are truly the new exols yall wont rewrite history we were all there. yall are not victims, this is true.

X · Feb 19, 2025, 6:06 PM

Ooh n https://x.com/kchartsmaster/status/1892610381412987348?t=43xDl2GgwSSbfL2Rgyt-lw&s=19 💀

Kpop Charts (@kchartsmaster) on X

Ryan Tedder and HYBE will team up to train and form a new global boygroup.

X · Feb 20, 2025, 4:20 PM

[copper jetty]

Isn't he a zionist? I just heard from my army friend. Lmao she is crashing out and not happy at this news.

[short laurel]

many kids will participate for this cuz kpop and hybe. and i feel bad for them.

especially hybe stans who most likely be sending their kids.

[copper jetty]

I just woke up and saw the ck campaign drop.
I'm so happy they separated the campaigns per member. Lmao

They know what they're doing tho... I just bought 5 different tees cause I wanted one item for each member.

[copper jetty]

I'm not. They deserve each other and whatever happens it's theirs and their kids decision.

If this is what it takes for them to open their eyes to the realities of what that company is doing, then I say deserved.

[short laurel]

sad reality is there are parents who will c kids suffer and just stay behind watching and smiling cuz idol. there's too many cases like this worldwide. we c this alot in kpop too.
NJZ are VERY lucky in this regard. and i m expecting this kind of behavior here that's why i feel bad for the kids.

[copper jetty]

Oh definitely, actually NJZ parents is the first ones that I saw that were so proactive regarding hybe. They stayed silent before but I'm glad they're stepping up now.

[short laurel]

Chuu's mom was very active in loona bbc case

[steep torrent]

what does global group even mean? like members of different nationalities? this reminds me of when simon cowell wanted to make the next one direction and failed

[short laurel]

Katseye but bg

It's American group. But they love to call anything american "global"

[sly python]

speaking of, whatever happened with the Hype Boys sister project?

its been like 2-3 years since the auditions were launched right?

[short laurel]

It was under mhj but with her n all core ador members out, those training under new management of fake ador probably got slowed down but might launch soon.

[steep torrent]

*x -c https://x.com/omgakgae/status/1892612828508336361?s=46

[harsh dove]

@omgakgae <t:1740069036:d>

Literally what are u even saying. Like it's funny u all are just mad ur own words about njz needing hybe backfired lmao and now u all wanna backpedal.

[steep torrent]

njz bigger than hybe

I remember that user from when this whole thing started. tmikpop too with their mistranslations.. I wonder why they stopped updating

[jolly junco]

They know where this is going going to save themselves before its too late

[cinder narwhal]

lol

[short laurel]

Tmikpop stopped cuz slowly over multiple dramas ppl caught on that the account is a lier.

The account got called out even on reddit.

[errant mango]

me after finding out that the person who was hospitalized because I ran over her was army so i don't feel guilty anymore

[frozen bronze]

can we be normal

[tardy smelt]

???

[errant mango]

if being normal is not hating on armys sadly we can't

[frozen bronze]

keep that shit for twitter

[errant mango]

i'm getting banned for saying that

[upbeat stream]

Well you could get banned here too

Tread carefully

[hoary frost]

Whos we

[tawdry vessel]

im with giselle

just dont hate the artists

what these ratyms done to nj is unforgivable

to me atleast

but no violence like being ran over a car lmao

[waxen musk]

I'm just so fed up with it all. It's every day.
And I won't say Tokkis are wrong to constantly try to defend against it but it just seems so pointless.
I just want to ignore anything to do with the fandoms.
There's a million things to be excited about but just trying to keep up with the NJZ v HYBE stuff draws me to also get to see all this fandom bs. I wish there was a way to separate the two when trying to keep up to date.

[tawdry vessel]

also agree with ash

[cinder narwhal]

https://x.com/PoppyKPoppie/status/1892766661977006128

PoppyKPoppie (@PoppyKPoppie) on X

amen.

X · Feb 21, 2025, 2:41 AM

[waxen musk]

I'm just reminded of the very end of OMG MV. It's crazy to think that came out at the start of January 2023, mere months after they even entered the public eye. It was very reactionary. I can totally see something similarly reactionary coming from NJZ.

[cinder narwhal]

there's barely 3 articles about ck in korean media lol

no pay no news I guess

[heady gate]

yea, NJ official IG account didn't post any CK pictures. I think CK bypassed HYBE.

[half knot]

CK would have had a contract with the girls through Ador, the stipulations of that contract are not clear, and we don't know if the payment structure was one-time or recurring. If the former, then Ador already got paid their 30% for this.

[jolly junco]

lol its so obvious, they really have no shame

[stiff prairie]

which 3 news agencies did it?

[cinder narwhal]

bang got more articles

[stiff prairie]

yeah i was just about to say that. bsh's weight loss is a hot topic it seems like
anyways it is what it is. from what i've seen for almost a year kbs, cbs etc big media outlet favors njz mostly so we should be fine if tabloids pick the other side whatever

[short laurel]

lol articles on him becoming thinner

[stiff prairie]

we'll be getting articles of mhj's glow up after legal battles are over trust

[cerulean lake]

nah hybe’s gonna pay to take those down

[frozen granite]

Well, yes https://x.com/revyjeanz/status/1892804952789029105?s=12

revy (@revyjeanz) on X

the njz shoutout??

X · Feb 21, 2025, 5:14 AM

[cerulean lake]

jennie x njz plz

[short laurel]

that's a stretch.

[hoary frost]

https://tenor.com/view/hanni-newjeans-stan-twitter-stan-flop-newjeans-meme-gif-16698277639575240672

[jolly junco]

-delulu

[tall dew]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/948918589602267186/1234421470826856508/FB_IMG_1714377845119.jpg?ex=6630ac15&is=662f5a95&hm=3a0f63a41baecf295cfcb6961843d8795ccd57e80f854c76f43507a217e9d504&

[half knot]

rose x njz is more likely than jennie x njz

[jolly junco]

whats the different lol

[stiff prairie]

My pessimism got to me finally. I don't think the redebut is going to be as big as we're hoping for

[cinder narwhal]

https://x.com/chorongpham/status/1892843088823144928

팜초롱 (@chorongpham) on X

🚨HELP🚨One of the biggest fan accounts in Korea is currently under attack by ador. They are using the ETA MV director’s cut as an excuse, but it’s clear that they are intentionally targeting this specific popular fan account while ignoring others.
Most ktokkis are already

X · Feb 21, 2025, 7:45 AM

[stiff prairie]

Man what am I gonna with this petty company

[copper jetty]

What's this about the eta mv?

[stiff prairie]

They probably posted the director's cut version that was taken down by dolphiner's film. Idk if you missed that saga it was whole thing that lead to dir shin suing ador.

[lucid yarrow]

once they get petty enough they r going to go after everything hope discord can't get nuked

[hoary frost]

Guess what

-nuke

[copper jetty]

Why discord tho? This isn't even an official server so I doubt they'll come running here.

[upbeat stream]

Kpop companies never enforce copyright, this is a blatant attempt to stifle one of the biggest pro-njz voices on korean youtube

Which is already dominated by these cyber wreckers. If ador believes the contract is valid, how has it done nothing to them?

[sage venture]

that company makes no rational decisions, though

[jolly junco]

please no

[jolly junco]

oh wowwwwwwwwwww

i'm speachless

fraudor really need to debut a new artist under their label so they wont have so much freetime harassing NJZ and our fandom

[short laurel]

i hate how twt breaks randomly

fake company does nothing to all those accounts attacking girls but targeting accounts supporting girls. ETA MV is jsut an excuse

unfortunately until dispute of directors cut is settled with director shin. ador is in the right to do it legally.

[half knot]

my bet is they will go after the phoning subs next

[copper jetty]

https://x.com/fr2kmj_gomgomz/status/1892825111801090428?t=bAIqXP7AOPEd_uoN-B-1AA&s=33

ra ✧˖° (@fr2kmj_gomgomz) on X

guys looks like NJZ X CARIN will happen soon👀

X · Feb 21, 2025, 6:34 AM

I thought carin ended and won't renew their contract?? Lmao maybe they ended it with NJS but are we getting carin x NJZ??

[hoary frost]

Caringlasses but Minji and Haerin has no glasses on 💔

[copper jetty]

Contacts probably

[upbeat stream]

They have a brand deal with olens for that

[copper jetty]

Oh right i forgot. Wait so this is fake???

[hoary frost]

No its on their insta

[copper jetty]

Also carin is liking the comments with NJZ on it

[upbeat stream]

Carin tagged each member but not newjeans. I think this is only the 2nd group cf (after ck) that has not mentioned newjeans

Did I miss something?

[cinder narwhal]

I still have more than a month left in my sub 😭

oh wait wrong subs lmao

[cinder narwhal]

that's stonehenge. they got a new model but idk if theyre done with njz

[upbeat stream]

But I remember Minji showing some other brand's glasses in the live

Not too sure though

[hoary frost]

No its crainhs

[cinder narwhal]

bape? I thought she showed cases though

[jade jolt]

She had bape glasses in her last live but they kinda have an unofficial thing with bape cuz they keep wearing costumised clothes and stuff but the carin deal is still on

[steep torrent]

https://x.com/catzkang/status/1892913715604844994?s=46
she's seen all the mediaplay

반희수🫧 (@catzkang) on X

Hyein said that she was afraid (to do a long ig live or talk longer) because she was afraid of making a mistake 😭😭😭😭

Girl….

X · Feb 21, 2025, 12:26 PM

[upbeat stream]

She also said she won't reveal the title of the book she is reading because it could cause an issue

[tardy smelt]

that damn bank card mediaplay

[upbeat stream]

She has mentioned mediaplay the most often too, I hope she learns to chill a bit but I totally understand

[tardy smelt]

she must be feeling enormous pressure these days, she's only 16 man so stuff like this must be eating away at her

[jolly junco]

😔😔 she knows whatever she said or did can or will be used against her someday so shes been very cautious. Poor baby 😢 a kid so innocent has to think ahead like that, she must hv been mentally traumatized

[hoary frost]

Im her age I cant imagine how she feels

Hyein is so strong

[waxen musk]

They're all brave to go on Instagram after being so used to Phoning, it's relatively unrestricted from seeing shit that just puts you in a bad mood. There's a reason they don't leave their comments open on their posts.
I hope she doesn't stop speaking up when she feels the need to. It's something she's done multiple times in the past.

[lucid yarrow]

i wonder if that stupid uncle causes some problem with her family too or was that fake

[steel depot]

those wre invalid claims

[ashen charm]

Phoning will forever be the best you could filter the hate and you could have a community ig is legit notice me or talk English

[half knot]

it was mhj's idea of what a parasocial interaction between idols and fans should be, she mentioned it originally in her interviews prior to newjeans debut

[mental lynx]

maybe one day a phoning 2.0 will appear

[ashen charm]

Ig is pretty bad at blocking hate I see it in every live ...

[red thorn]

Well it's filtering people vs filtering words/comments
Ofc there will be always those haters/weirdos that paywall wouldn't matter to them, but still mitigate more negative stuff with phoning's system

[steep torrent]

twt is so shit rn they're bringing back the mhj trying to takeover hybe narrative back. with 18% shares yea man

morning in kr rn wonder if livs team will release another statement today or is it just done from here now?

[kindred estuary]

because their source of misinformation and slander aespannjeans and sniper being long gone... now they are just picking up bits and pieces or just repeating the whole shenanigans since almost a year ago

[cinder narwhal]

oh?I haven't seen that send

[hoary frost]

Do people really think Olivia stole the song?

[wind monolith]

ya the 3 fandoms who always on our case

[hoary frost]

Nah its on tiktok too

[steep torrent]

nah its just replies to tokkis after trying to compare this guy to mhj. mhj did it privately but hybe publicized it but they keep saying it was publicized bc she wanted to steal the company

mfs bringing up newjeans saying mhj complained about hanboks and long black hair, completely forgetting they had access to their debut plans..

[red thorn]

Unlike we, the fans... Can't expect anybody from general public have auto good faith toward her, moreover antis

[hoary frost]

Which song was she accused of stealing dyk

Omfg these fandoms r pmo ts sybau

[red thorn]

Backseat, scroll back kpop-chat for discussion

[hoary frost]

Im crying how r they this dumb 💔💔💔💔

[steel depot]

we need it sooner because if our girls are anxious to do a lives on ig we could feel it TT like last night with hyein

our girls needs their safe space with us

[cerulean lake]

feel bad for hyein. i wouldn’t be wanting to go live too if people were stalking and waiting for me to slip up so they could bully me

[frozen granite]

Can’t wait for NJZ comeback so they can shut all of them up I’m annoyed

[tardy smelt]

1 month and 1 day from now

but also 2 weeks until court stuff resumes again

[frozen granite]

We have to lock in & stream & support

[tardy smelt]

i really hope they drop the song on streaming platforms the same day

[frozen granite]

It’s only the hearing though so I doubt anything will get resolved

[upbeat stream]

Injunction ruling will be within a month of the hearing

[frozen granite]

I need them to win so some fandoms can shut up

[waxen musk]

I'm not confident anything will shut them up, but I do wish for Bunnies to be so occupied with new stuff that we won't even have time to acknowledge that rubbish.

I'm a little surprised that nothing has really happened with NJZ in those 3 weeks. Why announce on 2/7 instead of 2/27 if nothing happened between those dates?

[cinder narwhal]

complex con needed to sell tickets

surely they have their own timeline

[waxen musk]

Yes of course.

[cinder narwhal]

wow you have a LOT on your mind

[hoary frost]

Ermm wat the sgima

[sage venture]

you need to watch ditto MV again

[cinder narwhal]

maybe try getting another hobby in the meantime get your mind off things

[waxen musk]

I think the way I always write in long paragraphs makes it look way worse than it is, but of course you are right about needing to have other things on my mind. I have a lot more other things on my mind than what I wrote above, not NJZ related. I should have expected your responses but it just makes me want to delete everything I wrote.

I do really want to just get of Twitter completely though. I use it to stay up to date but it just brings me misery, even when I limit myself to the following tab exclusively.

[orchid field]

bro needs to not on the internet

[waxen musk]

I just overexplain, I think. I'll delete the above and write a summary instead, it won't look so bad.

• Glad Olivia and Isaac are coming to a resolution
• Worried about people's reactions to Hyein, however watching the TikkiTokki shows people are overreacting
• The week had a lot of good news but the bad news overshadowed it all for me
• Worried about people having too much expectations for the comeback
• Worried about all the negativity overshading the comeback when the legal proceedings start

[tawdry vessel]

let ash yap its all good

and yeah get off twitter now and never come back

[short laurel]

Uninstall twter. Block kpop on tiktok n ig. N only get njz updates from here or njz official ig. Ull feel better.

[waxen musk]

I've been through it all before. But yeah it's finally time to do just that, no more Twitter for me.

[storm warren]

dont worry. hybecels will promote redebut hard

i have faith in second third and fourth fandoms

[olive tulip]

Twitter is the worst social platform out there:(

[glossy siren]

I feel the same
I feel stuck in a loop where I love K-pop and the art behind it, but I hate the social media culture that comes with it. There's so much toxicity, and everything feels so out of proportion. Pop culture has become a religion, with fans practicing a fanatical idolatry that crushes anything that doesn’t align with their devotion. The detachment from consequences makes people spew whatever comes to mind. I stay for the art, but sometimes the negativity gets to me too much.
I’ve started blocking people incredibly easily on X, I just want to stay updated in a healthy bubble.

[cerulean lake]

i hope this whole plagiarism scandal thing passes soon since it’s been cleared between both artists.

giving bad flashbacks of the plagiarism scandal between jeans and nwjns or when that one group accused bubblegum of being plagiarized 😔😔 bad times

hate how those grubby hybe stans jump on every moment they can use to slander nwjns and their family yet they act like they’re all tired of the drama

[jolly junco]

lol i always want to laugh whenever i came across the words "i'm so tired of this drama"

its funny 🤣 if you are tired then why are you still here

[red thorn]

They're excited

[jolly junco]

Its been almost a year, tokkis need to learn not to fall for their tricks now. Focus all your energy and attention to NJZ rebrand and what comes after that. NJZ opening their official IG helps a lot for me. I can leave kpop twt for real and just getting news from their IG

Life is finally full of sunshine and rainbow again

[frozen granite]

NJZ followers list keeps increasing !

& they haven’t even debuted lol they truly are the first predebut kpop group with the most followers

[cerulean lake]

will the injunction results come out before the concert in hong kong?

[cinder narwhal]

https://x.com/juantokki/status/1893319012622442729

1tokki (@juantokki) on X

Case of Injunction Request to Prohibit a Singer’s Entertainment and Broadcast Activities
https://t.co/6RCJbUIP6C
Attorney Kang Jin-seok
(Legal Counsel for the Korea Entertainment Management Association. Lawyer at ENT Law Office)

Case Overview

A singer notified their agency of

X · Feb 22, 2025, 3:16 PM

[frozen granite]

What is this?

[cinder narwhal]

not nj but related case. might be precedent

tldr https://x.com/thegreatgaram/status/1893480969702715638

람짱 // ʀᴀᴍᴊᴊᴀɴɢ (@thegreatgaram) on X

It's literally illegal for ADOR/HYBE to interfere with NJZ's future bookings and activities. These frivolous lawsuits are harassment, intimidation and public manipulation. (https://t.co/PgKFi2Vo8G)

X · Feb 23, 2025, 2:00 AM

[frozen granite]

Oh is it sort of a reference to what is likely to happen to NJZ?

[cinder narwhal]

yeah a possibility

[orchid field]

Lil biatch is on damage control now

[stiff prairie]

pls take one for the team and let us know what the "true story" is. was he just helping out poor influencers or recruiting them for a new group or what

[orchid field]

His spun it off as the bj was seeking legal advice from him lol

Definitely not lying

[stiff prairie]

of course. bsh is the best lawyer i've known duh
https://tenor.com/view/of-course-gif-21373815

[stiff prairie]

and the burger eating picture is cause bsh knows the best burger spots in us

[sage venture]

the king of K-pop, top consulting lawyer, and the best photographer for Sexy BJ What a legend lol

[cinder narwhal]

mhj could never mhj who

[jolly junco]

🤣 🤣 🤣

i can feel your sarcasm dripping from your words

[frozen granite]

Am I the only one who’s anxious about the hearing ?

[jolly junco]

yes you are, i'm not i'm confident everything will goes according to NJZ plan

[frozen granite]

Twitter messed me up

[jolly junco]

“We believe we will win this battle against Hybe and Ador.”

Danielle Marsh

[stiff prairie]

bro my mood keeps changing everyday. i'm trying real hard to disassociate my feelings with their possible future a lot lately.

[frozen granite]

Yeah I guess all this negativity toward them makes it seem like entire South Korea is against them

[jolly junco]

where in fact south korea general public and even government staff are on NJZ side

[stiff prairie]

nah sk loves njz. that's one of the silver linings

[frozen granite]

This!! I was getting better but when they announced their redebut I started becoming absorbed by it

[jolly junco]

when you are in doubt, just remember this

[frozen granite]

Thank youuuuuu I needed this reflection

[stiff prairie]

i tell myself that they got millions of fans worldwide. even if they lose the lawsuits and needs to pay a lot to hybe it'll be fine. they don't need to be leaders of anything. as long as they are out of hybe and happy themselves making music and stuff it'll be alright

[half knot]

IF this is bothering any of you to this extent, disengage with the ragebait content on SNS/reddit/discord/etc.

They'll win the ability to continue independently with their activities even if they partially lose parts of their upcoming lawsuits, and this will drag on for YEARS, so don't look for a quick resolution. At least be thankful they all have the money to keep this going if they so choose to do that.

[jolly junco]

NJZ doesnt need to be the best girlgroup in the world, i am satisfied enough even if they will release a very small budget MV, a dance practice video in a small room, releasing music on every platform

the rest are bonus if they're able to give us more

[stiff prairie]

personally i think i have some mental issues myself lol. like today my mind is telling me even if they lose all lawsuits it's not the end of the world for them. they're still young and full of talent. lots of ppl in general and in the industry loves them. they'll be okay
on another day i think even winning lawsuits won't be enough cause they could've been in a way better place if none of this took place in the first place

[stiff prairie]

that's the mindset. when i first saw them in ditto it had like 20M views. i thought they are in the less popular catagory of kpop because of comparative less views and diff genre to how i used to think of kpop itself. i only knew bts and bp back then and how their stuff gets millions of views on yt within hours skewed my perception a bit. point is i started the journey with thinking they're nugu and i'm happy to continue it that way also

[half knot]

the only reason newjeans mvs had "low" views was because ador did not spend hundreds of thousands in youtube ads the way nearly every other agency does

[sage venture]

just to put things into perspective for those worried about the case,
NJZ followed every legal step They publicly raised concerns about why they couldn’t trust the company anymore, gave two separate 14-day periods for the company to fix the issues, and even fulfilled their pre-scheduled commitments after terminating the contract

Meanwhile, HYBE/FRAUDOR broke legal procedures at every turn They leaked personal information to cyber wreckers after termination, tried to pressure NJZ using industry associations where HYBE executives hold key positions, and, as the final nail in the coffin, even attempted to sabotage NJZ’s new concert

At this point, it couldn’t be clearer who actually holds the upper hand

[stiff prairie]

i actually like it that way for any artists. makes me feel special. if i knew beforehand that newjeans is this popular in kpop i might've not even become a fan lol

[stiff prairie]

i get what you're trying to say but you gotta understand for pessimistic ppl like me we think of the worst first and then try to come up with cope. like even if they lose lawsuits it worn't be the end of the world. they will survive. that's my takeaway. only problem is since i'm more or less parasocial w them, losing the lawsuits mean they'll be sad which in turn will make me sad that's all.

[sage venture]

yeah, that’s why you never leave things entirely up to the court one unhinged judge can mess things up But in the end, I believe common sense will prevail Worst case? They still break free from that evil company So I’m not worried, just focusing on how I can support them

[cinder narwhal]

from what I've read, they're already free. now they're just fighting whether they pay penalties or not (aka if it was legal how the contract was terminated). apparently it's in korean law that you can't force someone to work for a company

[stiff prairie]

yeah that's my only wish. whatever happens, as long as they're not forced to go back to hybe it's gon be okay. i've seen enough juantokki/thegreatgaram posts to know you can't force an idol to work for you when they don't want to. that's enough for me now

problem is this is my good day thoughts. my bad day thoughts go like "their future could've been so much better, they won't be charting, they'll have to stay nugu etc"

[jolly junco]

cake need to find a good series with 10 seasons to dive into, so you dont have time to think about your bad day thoughts

[stiff prairie]

it takes one moment to get into a depressive state smh.

currently watching barry but it has only 4 seasons

[cinder narwhal]

group watch with cake and ash

[stiff prairie]

oh yeah i just saw ash was having a bad day yesterday lol. i think it's one of those days like i'm not really sad today but tomorrow i might be who knows

[cerulean lake]

nah i understand how u feel ngl. i could have been enjoying 2024 a lot more if we had all their planned content and songs coming out. it would’ve been like 2023 where there were bad things here and there but there was some type of entertainment that could make us happier.

[hollow sorrel]

https://x.com/shi_shang_/status/1893458184465195298

shi shang (@shi_shang_) on X

【速報】NewJeansの新グループ名『NJZ』、ついに商標登録へ。申請者は“이동욱”(イ・ドンウク)。メンバーのヘイン(16)と同じ名字なので親族の方か、もしくは同名でフォロワー1,852万人、IVEが所属するSTARSHIPの大物俳優イ・ドンウク(43)なのか？いずれにしても『NJZ』にとっての新たな進展がうれしい。

X · Feb 23, 2025, 12:29 AM

[wind monolith]

https://tenor.com/view/interesting-batman-very-interesting-thinking-gif-3821315981259485457

[red thorn]

No way it's Goblin's lee dong wook
Perhaps, Hyein uncle

[hollow sorrel]

do we know hyein's uncle's name

[red thorn]

Nope

[stiff prairie]

I really wish they got on other platforms sooner than later. Cause I be seeing njz on tiktok and I can't like it cause it's impersonation but can't dislike cause it's njz

[hoary frost]

It can be a totally random person applying for trademark

[upbeat stream]

The way I see it, they'll not pay penalties and hybe will be forced to settle by the end of this year. The main lawsuit is only to determine if the termination was wrongful or not, it won't decide penalties. So that itself takes 1-2 years, and then if njz loses, they will definitely appeal which takes additional 6 months to a year. Only after that will begin the damages lawsuit. All this time the girls will be continuing their career while ador sits on their ass

So I think the reasonable thing would be for ador to settle for a % cut from njz's profits

And the penalty amount that these journalists are suggesting is so ridiculous anyway that they can't possibly pay. So nothing will really happen

[frozen granite]

What is this ??

[hollow sorrel]

Someone called Lee Dong-wook filed for the NJZ trademark, the post speculates that it could be Hyein's uncle

[stiff prairie]

Well hybe and co haven't really been reasonable thru the whole ordeal have they.

[jolly junco]

doesnt make sense, at all

why would "the uncle" of hyein applied for NJZ trademark

[stiff prairie]

Most likely these are randos that are trying to get ahead of them to sell the trademark later

[hollow sorrel]

well yes and I'm just realising the bottom one is literally a screenshot from their complexcon promo cause the icon is still in "motion"

[frozen granite]

Could they be antis?

[jolly junco]

this is more likely, hyein's uncle my god kpop twt really are something else

[frozen granite]

Im so traumatized with that one fandom i was dreading it was them

[stiff prairie]

More likely to be some businesses opportunists that want some quick money by selling njz their own trademark

[lucid yarrow]

if they didn't make it why would goverment let them take it

[frozen granite]

I wonder if they already have an agency …

[jolly junco]

plot twist, this lee dong wok guy was from ADOR/HYBE and they applied to prevent NJZ got the trademark? my delulu is going wild

[red thorn]

That's blatant infringement tho
Someone not affiliated trademarked other's work/brand
Not just name but logo?

[frozen granite]

Do you guys think that NJZ already have an agency but they don’t want to disclose anything ? I love the fact that we are getting a new song 🎵

[hollow sorrel]

yes and I think mhj made a new company because I can't imagine after everything that went down with ADOR she would settle to be in a sublabel again

[stiff prairie]

That might be true. Send some random ppl to get the trademark and then vanish

[hoary frost]

Just a random

[frozen granite]

What is the possibility that it’s already been trademarked, but it’s not disclosed to the public ? Is that possible ?

[stiff prairie]

All this is too confusing. Hyein said they'll announce new agency soon but then nothing. Hanni's visa would require an agency most probably. Hybe really wants to know what agency they're in to maybe put pressure on them.
Too many sweats. I don't really think about it as much anymore

[red thorn]

Ig wait njz pr
Hope there's a confirmation

[frozen granite]

I feel like they have it under control bc they seemed super … nonchalant (which I love that!), but that also leaves a lot of speculations which most of them are negative & it’s annoying.

[upbeat stream]

Trademark won't be granted if it's applied after Feb 7th by someone other than njz or their reps

Because njz can prove that they publicly used it and the other party has no tangible connection to it

[stiff prairie]

We just need to take a chill pill ig. Things have mostly gone our ways. Hanni got her visa, they got on CNN to announce rebranding and concerts, were getting new music. They know what they're doing. Just worrying from our side won't help will it

[frozen granite]

Plus I don’t really think any artist, who was up against a big company, was skeptical about the validity of the contract would go announce their redebut

They won’t use their old songs huh

[jolly junco]

i'm having a vision.... in the near future.... some fandoms are gonna be a trademark expert.......

[upbeat stream]

You are a bit late haha, they already are

[frozen granite]

I wonder who … el oh el

[jolly junco]

oh they are? LOL okay

[upbeat stream]

Reddit lol

[frozen granite]

They are lawyers too lmfao

[hollow sorrel]

thank god jjinjins is gone cause he would be having a field day with the possibility of hyein’s uncle applying for a trademark

[upbeat stream]

Are people saying it's Hyein's uncle only because of Lee? Because that's just absurd

[frozen granite]

Isn’t that also sort of racist ?

[stiff prairie]

Dont make no sense anyway. Why'd he himself do it instead of using the company name like..

[short laurel]

Why hyein uncle. Isn't the known hyein uncle the router company guy

[cinder narwhal]

it's lee dong wook the actor obviously

[harsh dove]

@newjeanspromo <t:1706121852:d>

[red thorn]

Amen

[lucid yarrow]

if only njz show up as a cameo to some random k/j/c drama

[fierce cloak]

it's so dumb that even assume "lee" to be hyein relative, why don't assume it's her dad
also lee is a very common surname, it doesn't mean anything

[tawdry vessel]

if it was kim something, they'd say it's minji's uncle

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1331135930177949696.gif?size=48

[short laurel]

Lee soo man

or Lee family from samsung.

[stiff prairie]

bruce lee me thinks

honna karate kick tf out of hybe execs

[red thorn]

The tweet spculated questioning a relative is reasonable enough with all the prev rumours such as family centered agency and the uncle mentioned here and there, short thinking.

[short laurel]

fun fact Lee family members have 3 chaebol companies Samsung, CJ and Shinsegae.

[red thorn]

But I realized the trademark is still application phase, theory of rando made sense

[kindred estuary]

and upon searching that trademark applicant he has more than a few different trademarks rejected or abandoned than registered ones

[fierce cloak]

Could simply a scammer lol
Also, if NJ establish 'family agency', the owner should be themselves, not parents, they have their own money, except Hyein is a minor (which im not sure if she allow to be a stakeholder) the rest can be a legit owner now

[upbeat stream]

And the trademark will almost certainly be applied in the company's name as is convention, even if they create their own

[short laurel]

Kpoopheads is best kpop subreddit. Even there jokes are more trustworthy than other kpop subreddits 💀

[stiff prairie]

did u write poopheads on purpose?

[short laurel]

It is what the subreddit called. Ppl there meme on everything kpop.

[stiff prairie]

oh yeah i see it now. i thought it was kpopheads at first but it's privated

[upbeat stream]

Maybe you haven't looked into it as much, but some of the vilest things about njz are said on that subreddit. And they don't remove it unlike other subs because it's "ironic"

[short laurel]

Idk what i saw on kpop n kpopuncensored were vilest of vile. N they still not removed.

[stiff prairie]

yeah i thought that sub was supposed to be satire thru and thru

[short laurel]

Yea kpoopheads is satire. It has wild stuff posted about everyone but everyone on it knows not to take anything on it seriously

[stiff prairie]

i've been there a few times. they dunk on every groups out there regardless. if they targeted some groups to make fun of then i'd get it but it's not like that i think

[cerulean lake]

ik that subreddit is supposed to be satirical but i’m not surprised if it’s still hate bc im pretty sure ppl going there are the same ppl lurking around the other subs

atp i learned not to trust any of those subs except the nwjns one. even ones like kpopnoir where they talk abt societal and cultural issues like to hate on nwjns 🙄

[steep torrent]

looks like it came back to bite one fandom that was in livs qrts lol

[frozen granite]

Who here lives in South Korea & can confirm the sentiment the public has for NJZ?

[midnight yarrow]

I do not live in Korea, but I can tell you definitively Korea still loves NJZ

[waxen musk]

I said I'd avoid Twitter but some habits are hard to get out of. I looked for 5 minutes. Tokkis just talking about LSF plagiarising other things with their latest teasers. I know there was a whole thing about Olivia and plagiarism the other day and the responses were horrible on both sides, but now that this has nothing to do with NJZ, Tokkis can't help themselves but to get involved with all this crap just to prove a point. It's just gonna continue forever, isn't it? People seriously need to shut up about things that aren't related. They also need to shut up about other things but lets start here first.

[frozen granite]

Omg wait I think I used to follow you on twitter !

[waxen musk]

I only have 5 followers and my Twitter was only active for a very short time so it's unlikely.

[jolly junco]

i find it hard to understand why would you spend your time talking about things you dont like? i mean.... isnt it better to use that energy and time to talk about things that you like? maybe about NJZ?

[tawdry vessel]

this fandom is slowly becoming ratrmys

[waxen musk]

Part of the reason I wanted to stop going on Twitter is just disappointment from Tokkis behaviour.

[jolly junco]

Hanni i know you are here, so if you read this can you please call out those tokkis who always put their nose in others business? thank you

[midnight yarrow]

Every fandom is disappointing on twitter. It's inevitable and impossible to control

[cerulean lake]

what happened? i’ve been out of twt by playing another game and it’s lowkey working

[cerulean lake]

yeah every fandom is rabid there. i also think tokkis should just mind their own business but at the same time the other fandoms were all in tokkis’ business so it’s very unlikely that they’re just gonna shut up and not fight back even tho it’s immature

[jolly junco]

thats how community works, unless the higher up (in this case the idol itself) told them to stand down

[cinder narwhal]

https://n.news.naver.com/article/366/0001056158?sid=101

[jolly junco]

Lol this ministry really need to get audited 🤣 he is the same person who gave HYBE the top company awards, no?

[cerulean lake]

r we really surprised? isn’t that ministry where bsh’s dad worked 🙄 the gov is corrupt as hell anyways

[frozen granite]

Im confused what is this

[heady gate]

This manager, identified only as A, claims he faced workplace harassment, illegal detention for three hours.

[frozen granite]

Is this going to affect NJZ ?

[craggy skiff]

Nope

But ratmy 'll love to use it for make up thing

[waxen musk]

The court proceedings start next week.

[steep torrent]

plagiarism accusations for a group. just seen a tweet almost at 70k likes lol

[waxen musk]

I’m surprised they never put the new CK stuff on the NJZ IG.

[frozen granite]

Whats going on?

[hushed whale]

just everyday fan war lol

hanni isn't gonna attend gucci fw tmr?

[frozen granite]

Which ones?

[wind monolith]

injunction

[waxen musk]

7th. Just saying we can finally say “next week”. Injunction and a MHJ thing in same day right? I’m forgetful.

[frozen granite]

April 3 will be the date that it will be revealed if NJZ is free from fraudor ??

[wind monolith]

we wont get results for the april 3rd right away that can take a year or two

[frozen granite]

Wait so how will NJZ perform & record new songs ? Or seek another agency? I’m curious

[tawdry vessel]

that's gonna take a year or two

[waxen musk]

Just like they are now. They just… will.

[fleet nebula]

because until a court rules the contracts valid (which they aren't) they are free to do what they want 🙂

[frozen granite]

Oh ok I just wish they made it official so antis could shut up

[waxen musk]

Gonna need patience for that. And even then, they’re not gonna shut up lol.

[frozen granite]

Will the mhj vs betheif & source take a year as well?

[red thorn]

Safe assumption that assume it would take longer bc that's how court battle usually is

[short laurel]

Comments open n so vile.

[short laurel]

So demanding employees personal phone is legal in korea i assume?

[cerulean lake]

it’s the incel community again

the reddit of korea

[short laurel]

Comments are usually closed on celebrity related content ever since multiple incidents of celebrities unaliving themselves but this practice is not being followed in nj case.

[frozen granite]

If the Democratic Party is in favor of NJZ, is it the Republican Party that is against it ?

[short laurel]

Idk that

[sage venture]

guys Team Bunnies is preparing a petition for the injunction (It's for Koreans now, but a global version will come soon) https://x.com/NewJeansSTRM/status/1893858493721141658

팀 버니즈 (@NewJeansSTRM) on X

안녕하세요, 팀 버니즈입니다.

2024년 5월 가처분 탄원서 서명에 이어, 두 번째로 팬덤 버니즈의 마음을 담은 탄원서를 준비하고자 합니다. 이번 탄원서는 하이브와 어도어가 여전히 NJZ를 방해하기 위해 힘쓰고 있는 상황을 재판부에 정확히 알리고 설명하는 것을 목적으로 합니다.

이번 탄원서는

X · Feb 24, 2025, 3:00 AM

[cerulean lake]

what will this petition do

yall im so bad at law so idk what occurs 😵‍💫

[stiff prairie]

this ministry shit is pissing me off. is anything illegal there atp?

[stiff prairie]

This petition aims to accurately inform and explain to the court the situation in which Hive and Adore are still working to sabotage NJZ.

Shouldn't the lawyers already be doing that? am i missing smth here?

[sage venture]

this is a supporting petition, similar to MHJ's first injunction It's meant to deliver the fans' perspective to the court as an external voice We may not know how effective but this is our way of making our stance heard and it did well in her case

[wind monolith]

its similar to what happened during loona, they created petition to make fans voices heard

[stiff prairie]

i see. i didn't even know we did that for mhj's first injunction

[stiff prairie]

did it work?

[wind monolith]

im not sure i dont know much
https://www.allkpop.com/article/2023/02/loona-fans-launch-a-petition-to-support-the-members-in-their-legal-dispute-against-blockberry-creative

[stiff prairie]

reading this i unlocked a new fear. the ruling is given for each member separately?? could that happen with us as well?

[sage venture]

no that's because each member filed a lawsuit individually This is not the same case as NJZ

[stiff prairie]

oh ok that's good. i got worked up for no reason thinking what if some of them get ruling their way and others don't

[sage venture]

no need to worry just get your signature ready for the official petition for global fans from Team Bunnies soon

[stiff prairie]

the initial petition will ask for the petition for us to be able to do that right?

[sage venture]

there will be a pre-written form that only requires your signature, but it's currently limited to Koreans Of course, you can also write your own letter If you want to see the whole letter in text, see this link https://m.entertain.naver.com/now/article/241/0003415489 (sry it's in Korean)

[kindred estuary]

juantokki also posted the translation of the said article

https://x.com/juantokki/status/1893905033038815250

[stiff prairie]

Just read it. They put it out really well. Even brought up things I forgot. But personally I wonder how much it affects the ruling cause the judge would know the stance of the fans and the points brought here would be brought up by the lawyers too so idk

[frozen granite]

I was thinking this too so idk how that would help

[upbeat stream]

No that's not the reason. It's because they had different contracts. All 12 signed the same contract initially, but at some point, 5 of them (Gowon, Haseul, Yeojin, Yves and Hyeju) changed their contract terms with bbc.

[frozen granite]

Also I talked to some Korean bunnies & said mostly everyone is supporting NJZ

But they did say the government doesn’t support them, but can’t they do something shady to prevent them from winning ?

[stiff prairie]

Yeah fans support is a non issue. I heard that even Korean armys are not that hateful towards njz there. It's just the far right/incel communities that are mostly against them

[short laurel]

and comment section here is closed. it's always open when it's targetting girls

[stiff prairie]

I mean if the judge takes into account what the fans want then it's a nice formal way to make out stance clear to them that's it

[upbeat stream]

I keep getting the details wrong, it's been so long. But njz members are highly unlikely to have different contracts, so nothing to worry

We don't know what effect the petitions had because the details of that case aren't known, but just like Team Bunnies, there was Loona Union which was in direct contact with their law firm and were told to do it, so it probably was important

[stiff prairie]

i see. well loona won their case right? let's hope the same happens to us

[midnight zodiac]

I wonder if it’s just to have an official thing to tell the court this case is being watched so they’re less likely to pull something shady

[frozen granite]

Wait down k tokkis are saying we’d know by April if Njz is free ?

[upbeat stream]

I said the same thing yesterday, didn't I? Injunction ruling by early to mid April

The main lawsuit doesn't really matter, they just have to win this injunction

[frozen granite]

I forgot who said but they mentioned it would take 1-2 years I’m confused now

[frozen granite]

Which one is the main lawsuit ? What does it dictate ?

[stiff prairie]

main lawsuit for that.

main lawsuit will decide who pays the fee to whom

[sage venture]

judges are human too they can't just ignore public opinion, especially in a case that’s this much of a hot topic Talking like it could be some shady deal is over the top, but we must do everything that could help, even if it’s just by an inch

[upbeat stream]

Yes, it's to show the court what the fandom thinks officially. That's actually important in kpop because fans have a lot of influence. So if fans say that ador sabotaged njz and that they won't support newjeans if they are under ador (idk what team bunnies have in mind but that's what Loona Union's angle was) that should have effect on court's ruling

[frozen granite]

Ohhhh ok ok so we’d know if NJZ is officially free in April then ? But we won’t officially know if it was a breach of trust until 1-2 years? Am I getting it correct ?

[stiff prairie]

well...free as in free to work with advertisers and stuff. total freedom of course comes after main lawsuit's results. but we are assuming that it only gives us the ruling to know who breached contract first. if it was njz themselves then they need to pay hybe an amount of money (what that amount is court will decide, they may take more time to do determine that) and if court determines hybe breached it first, hybe will pay them for mistreatments and such. but either way there's likely to be an appeal from either side after main lawsuits result is out

the silver lining is most ppl are saying according to kr law you can't force anyone to work for your company against their will. so they're not going back to ador that's certain. if the amount is too high court may decide that portion of njz profit goes to hybe or smth like that.

this is my pessimistic prediction of course

[frozen granite]

Your pessimistic is not as pessimistic as mine so I’m sort of glad, I just want them to win so the antis shut up at this point. Now that will be how you make history !

[stiff prairie]

what's your pessimistic prediction?

[frozen granite]

Well, it’s extremely pessimistic do you really want to know?

[stiff prairie]

yeah cause chances are i already thought about it

[short laurel]

i just want to c hybe suffer hard for all this BS.

[frozen granite]

That they get entirely blacklisted & NJZ loses partnerships, deals, owe Hybe money, & no agencies sign them

[short laurel]

it'll help set important precedence for artists hurt by kpop labels

[frozen granite]

& WE CHEERED !!!!

[upbeat stream]

I am quite optimistic, idk why y'all are so down on their chances

[short laurel]

blacklisting is no more possible especially with the size of NJZ fandom. + blacklisting is illegal.

[frozen granite]

I’m traumatized I guess 😩

[upbeat stream]

I think they don't even care about the main lawsuit, it's such a long process that hybe will just settle at some point. And in the worst case scenario, they may have planned contingencies, like leaving Korea entirely

[stiff prairie]

oof damn :v
ok they might be blacklisted in one place but they will keep appearing in other countries. if we win the injunciton we don't lose deals and stuff, maybe we get less that's about it. (and we're optimistic about it cause no sane judge will say that artists have to starve in the meantime while the result of main lawsuit is out), owing hybe money can be sorted in other ways that i mentioned, they can form their own agency.

[short laurel]

seriously worse than could happen is NJZ having to pay some %age of their earnings to hybe until they pay of all the money If they lose the case that is. they not gonna be blacklisted and there will always be advertisers for them for their fandom size.

[cinder narwhal]

blacklist is so 2012 idk why people still keep bringing it up

[upbeat stream]

Remember SM could only stop JYJ from korean tv, not from releasing albums or doing concerts. Or even from being active in Japan. And even hybe stans will tell you SM in 2009 held a LOT more influence in Korea than Hybe in 2025

[short laurel]

blacklisting only possible with very small NUGU

[cinder narwhal]

in the age of youtube and tiktok you'll blacklist? ok lol

[frozen granite]

Ok you guys & other ktokkis are making me feel better

[upbeat stream]

They performed at Seoul Olympic Stadium while blacklisted, what could be a bigger flex?

[short laurel]

and once people learn this Nugu is blacklisted. intl fandom will come to support them regardless of if they like them or not cuz many are pissed at industry.

[stiff prairie]

i mean for popularity and stuff appearing on music shows is important.

[upbeat stream]

Most groups can't do it even with full company backing and payola

[stiff prairie]

they're not blacklisted yet

[upbeat stream]

I was talking about JYJ

[cinder narwhal]

is it? I think the uni festivals were far more important if we see last year

[short laurel]

JYJ was very long time ago be4 youtube tookover

[stiff prairie]

oh i didn't know they performed there

[half knot]

they toured all over the world too

[upbeat stream]

Yep sold out, also did dome tour across Japan

[cinder narwhal]

relying on broadcast like music shows is legit old school lol

[stiff prairie]

for us fans yeah. but in broader perspective i think inkigayo and those stuff are more important

[half knot]

back then it was the only way really, yt for this stuff was just taking off
most sns was meant for personal stuff not the way it exists today

[upbeat stream]

Also newjeans barely appeared on variety tv, it was one of our only complaints with ador lol

[half knot]

that one seemed intentional on MHJ's part

[cinder narwhal]

I still disagree in this time and age

sorry idk if were talking now or the past

[half knot]

or perhaps HYBE was blocking them. who knows, they never got the chance to go further 😦

[short laurel]

NJZ doesn't need much varity shows anymore. everyone knwos them now. partly thx to hybe

[upbeat stream]

Music shows are important though, yes their ratings are bad but so many clips on social media go viral

[cinder narwhal]

yeah i think she wanted interactions to focus on phoning

[upbeat stream]

But yeah, some artists are bigger than music shows, IU doesn't promote her EPs and singles at all, and they still end up smashing

[short laurel]

IU is long out of manufactured kpop.

[stiff prairie]

i was talking about now. but i think it's 50 50. i watched uni performances more than music shows myself but i was thinking from perspective of a kpop fan in general who's not not necessarily a bunny

[upbeat stream]

If they don't get blacklisted from youtube stuff like dingo music, it's live, the first take, etc then that's a good substitute

[cinder narwhal]

oh for those tiktok or spotify will be better imo

virality and trends

[stiff prairie]

they haven't appeared on those places for a long time anyways. idk why

[short laurel]

the first take is japanese so that'll be fine.

[upbeat stream]

Minimal promo seems to be MHJ's thing I suppose

[stiff prairie]

but i love it's live and those type of shows that focuses on music part

[upbeat stream]

I hope they can promote freely in Japan at least, I've heard that hybe has strong connection with nhk

[wind monolith]

yall think those 4 stupid companies still gonna do that broadcast on the 27th

srry i didnt mean to reply to a message

[jolly junco]

woah whats going on today? anything new?

125 unread messages

[short laurel]

for NHK business > hybe. NJZ popularity will depend on it.

[stiff prairie]

another thing i just remembered the inkigayo and another music show really love njz. sent them gifts and stuff. idk if it's normal for all groups. i think there's a chance we might see them there as well. it's just wishful thinking tho

[sage venture]

this kind of blacklist is illegal yes, it was originally made because of JYJ I know they'll try to find loopholes, but like I said, it's still straight-up against the law

[upbeat stream]

That'll be a gift for us, because we all know what the reaction of koreans gonna be, it'll just lead to even more sympathy and visibilty

[half knot]

blacklisting isn't as big an issue as the way entertainment mafias operate with blackballing

blackballing being intentional interference to sabotage opportunities through backchannel communications, similar to what BSH/Ador has been accused to do with Complex.

[upbeat stream]

Whatever they want to do with njz, they would be smart to do it quietly but I guess they really are that dumb

A fucking presscon , they think they can replicate mhj or njz

[stiff prairie]

yeah ex ador employee's petition of mistreatment from hybe was deemed as nothing by ministry of labor, team bunnies prepped a letter to send to the judges to give them opinion of fan's perspective. some new petition to the ministry. global bunnies will also sign it later presumably

[jolly junco]

new petition again??? whats this petition for this time?

i dont think a fans opinion is valid in front of the court

[upbeat stream]

It is

[stiff prairie]

#1231839760759263232 message

[hoary frost]

Public opinion is highly considered no?

[jolly junco]

fr?? i thought court only sees evidences

[short laurel]

it's same as loona case where orbit's petition helped them.

[upbeat stream]

Btw guys, I actually signed Loona's petition that their fanbase sent to the court. Lemme see if I still have it

[short laurel]

evidences and witnesses. we are all witnesses of hybe/odor sabotaging NJZ

[upbeat stream]

Loona's lawyers' angle was: Look, fans won't support Loona under bbc, so no point in continuing the contract

[short laurel]

and kpop runs on public view. so it is important factor to consider.

[stiff prairie]

personally i think it's just a formal way to let judges know who the fans stand with and why

[jolly junco]

how can public fans serves as witness? everything happened behind a closed door, i think only employees of HYBE and ADOR knew about this sabotaging

[upbeat stream]

Read my point, vous

[short laurel]

one thign about loona case was no one supported BBC. but here we might get hybe's minions sending support petition for hybe.

[jolly junco]

so this petition is for the validation of contract termination?

[stiff prairie]

that's why i think opening up to global bunnies isn't a good idea.

[half knot]

it's not going to be a "submit everything" petition, it's likely going to get filtered through the lawyers for viability first

[upbeat stream]

Ador is saying the contract is still valid, fans say even if court forces newjeans back to ador, they won't support it, so neither party makes money, no point in continuing the contract. At least that was the argument in Loona's case

[stiff prairie]

actually no. cause they'll have to do another petition for that. ppl can't just write their own opinions and send it i think

[short laurel]

i m saying hybe minions might state their own peition to send to judge.

[stiff prairie]

yeah i figured

[upbeat stream]

I wrote my own opinions for Loona. Then their law firm vetted the petitions and sent some to the court, we don't know which ones obviously

[half knot]

judges don't really read it all anyway, they look at the summary as well as the volume

[hoary frost]

Based on my Kdrama law knowledge yes

[stiff prairie]

whoa? i didn't know it worked like that.

[upbeat stream]

They gave us a template, with space to write in your own words, it had to hand-written. Then we scanned and sent via google form

About 11k were signed, but of course njz will get a lot more

[stiff prairie]

did it open up for intl fans too or just korean?

[upbeat stream]

Gloablly, loona doesn't have many korean fans

Also we wrote in English, idk if it was translated or sent as is

[stiff prairie]

i see. finally a chance to contribute in a meaningful way

even tho not that much meaningful cause the judge ain't reading allat i suppose

[stiff prairie]

we'll do 50k in korea only. trust

[runic granite]

The most realistic outcome of NJ case I can see is that they will get to be independent from Ador but they will have to pay Ador a % of their earnings if they continue to still use the NewJeans / NJZ trademark

[short laurel]

NJZ trademark doesn't belong to ador.

[runic granite]

Ador will probably sue for trademark infringement bcuz its too similar to NJ existing trademarks and it confuses consumers bcuz what if Ador wants to redebut new girls under the NewJeans name

They are legally allowed to do that

[short laurel]

not similar enough. we not have to worry on that. they can sue but not likely to win that one.

[opaque torrent]

https://x.com/thegreatgaram/status/1893927800509247553

람짱 // ʀᴀᴍᴊᴊᴀɴɢ (@thegreatgaram) on X

The demo that sides with billionaires, corporations and harass women are always

X · Feb 24, 2025, 7:35 AM

[short laurel]

also public not going to support newjeans with new members. hybe despite being so bad in public opinion in this drama, will worry about it when it comes to debuting new groups. so they not likely to debut new people under newjeans.

[runic granite]

fifty fifty got new members somehow 😭

[wind monolith]

I think that was cuz there was still a member who stayed

[short laurel]

5050 case was very different. public in korea supports the company in that case cuz of member staying yea

[frozen granite]

The public were supporting the company instead of 50/50?

[sage venture]

yep because that case was straight-up tampering with the members, following a quick money grab

[runic granite]

I followed fifty fifty since their debut and now this newjeans situation is feeling like the same thing 😭 all the girls leaving

[short laurel]

in 50-50 case girls were with another company side. that company was the fraud. girls were stuck between 2 evils and chose the more evil one.

girls own lawyers were shit from what i heard.

[sage venture]

AFAIK there was a recording from another company suggesting quick money if they stopped working for their current company That was just the nail in the coffin

[frozen granite]

Yeah, but it is different with NJZ

[copper jetty]

https://x.com/sheepymcsheepy/status/1893898782586057000?t=Lo9OXiaVHpNzJNVDwNj1zg&s=33

Sheepymcsheep (@sheepymcsheepy) on X

Of course it's the 4 organizations that are backed by Hybe who oppose the introduction of choreography copyright.

This doesn't even have to be a thing in the first place if Belift/Hybe had the decency to not blatantly copy NJZ's moves

https://t.co/gDyyRbfKNm

X · Feb 24, 2025, 5:40 AM

It seems there's also opposition regarding the choreography copyright. Smh

[short laurel]

these 4 association has opposed every laws that would help artists.

[frozen granite]

Wait didn’t they say during court that there was actual proof ???

Is this legitimate ? Can this have a negative influence the hearing or no?

[stiff prairie]

My brain's not working after trying to read the third pic. What do they mean copyrighting choreography will stagnate the industry wth?

[copper jetty]

No. This is a separate matter altogether. This is for the choreographer association and they're currently pushing for a copyright in choreography and dance. This just got highlighted with the Belift and NJZ issue before and the article said 17 music associations opposed it. The reason is they said choreography would stagnate.

[cinder narwhal]

can't copy can't reuse and won't pay to license

[copper jetty]

Idk. I don't understand their logic either on why choreography would stagnate given the circumstances. I think it would stagnate more without the copyright since people would just reuse and reuse old ideas, but I think that's just me.

[frozen granite]

Oh so this is for future references not strictly for NJZ case ?

[copper jetty]

I mean they can reuse, won't have to pay win win but only for them.

[copper jetty]

Yes

[stiff prairie]

No brodie that's not just you these lots are so shameless I can't even. Do they have any other job besides fucking with the progress of kpop industry?

[short laurel]

guys don't think much. on nearly every pro artists laws introduction, these association has opposed with similar comment. "industry will stagnant"

[copper jetty]

I think that's their main job already smh. Every damn progress those companies are opposed aside from the one that they're gonna profit from.

[frozen granite]

Oh so they’ve always done things like this?

[stiff prairie]

Question is what gives them this legitimacy to talk on behalf of/against artists and choreographers etc. why do their opinions matter this much. Atp everyone is seeing where their interest lies

[short laurel]

yup. like bear above said. they only support those that helps them earn more profits.

[upbeat stream]

I have been told that you can't debut a new group under the same name even if you hold the trademark. And it seems to track since no one has ever done that, as far as I can remember

[storm warren]

ador needs to have at least one member to use trademark and pull 5050

this is also proof that the value is in members and trademark is nothing without them

any lawsuit in this regard will be won by NJZ. Shinhwa, Beast and many other groups have won trademark lawsuits. the issue is it took several years

[short laurel]

especially in NJ case where OG ador made sure to promote each members equally. in regards to value is in members.

[storm warren]

however, in njz case, if court acknowledges that ador breached contract, it will be easier for njz to retrieve TM back faster. we will see

[mild mist]

Probably closest would be brave girls? They débuted a complete new lineup in 2016? And I don't think that lineup performed any of the old songs

[upbeat stream]

According to wikipedia, there was an overlap period. Two of the original members were still there when the new ones were added. They even released new music and the next year those 2 also left

[mild mist]

Hmm, don't know if there's a better example

[upbeat stream]

Also since you brought up brave girls, it got me thinking.
Isn't BB girls very similar to Brave girls? Especially because the v in brave is pronounced like b in korean, so BB is just short for brave and then girls is left as is

[cinder narwhal]

it's over

[upbeat stream]

You scared the fuck out of me

[orchid field]

this is PMO

[cinder narwhal]

actually it's handy for us too lol I don't remember all these

should be pinned

[frozen granite]

I hate these

[short laurel]

missing context.

1. ministry said idols are equal in contract hence it will help NJ case more.
2. this cases is still under discussion at NA iirc. people are asking for proper investigation on ministry of labor.
3. it's related to 1st but was it closed? idk about this one i only know hanni's recording will be used in upcoming court case.
4. they conveniently missed personal phone part. ministry only said not sufficient enough evidence. i am expecting more case on this.
5. when was it decided if audit was legal or not? it would come in in MHJ shareholder case.

[storm warren]

inaccurate and no context provided

[craggy skiff]

I hope they keep say that because whenever redditor/ratmy/etc claim something bad, it always turn to opposite...

[storm warren]

especially the last one lol 😭😭😭 the case was not about illegal audit

[short laurel]

they also missed the part from 1st injuction where judge said MHJ is well within her right to question plagiarism in interst of newjeans ador's only IP and the "attempt" to takeover ador isn't even illegal.

[storm warren]

the VP case is the one from when there was SH investigation, he filed complaint to ministry of labor bc of hybe

it has nothing to do with illegal audit. fake news.

[short laurel]

employee B case still ongoing too

[upbeat stream]

Most importantly, none of them are court cases, and none of them have anything to do with njz's case

[short laurel]

why no one questioning employee B not suing VP but suing MHJ.

[storm warren]

MoL can not pass judgement on workplace harassment because the law does not address it

they said

hanni is not considered worker

which makes her case automatically unable to be be judged by the same standards as regular employees

[short laurel]

they said idols and agency are equal in contract. so i m expecting this to help NJZ case

[storm warren]

this is the whole issue of this case. the point is that relevant laws should be passed to protect freelancers and idols from workplace harassment

[short laurel]

which those 4 associations are trying to block.

[storm warren]

exactly lol

also ministry of labor and ministry of culture are Yoon's lapdogs. corrupt to the core

[wind monolith]

Njz name being banned on phoning is acc funny☠️☠️

[bronze jetty]

https://x.com/bnz9301/status/1893909043690852778?s=46 does anybody know what this petition is about?

J-BNZ (@BNZ9301) on X

https://t.co/bbbORlDWGK

X · Feb 24, 2025, 6:21 AM

[stiff prairie]

Mainly to let the court know where the fans stand on this matter. Apparently the case with loona also had it

[stiff prairie]

How is it banned? Like you can't send messages with njz written in it?

[bronze jetty]

thank you!

[wind monolith]

If i wanna have my name as like njz it wont let me

[stiff prairie]

Read this for more info #1231839760759263232 message

[stiff prairie]

Damn. Outright banned it lmao

[short laurel]

no this is not the same petition. this is much more deep. read it through google translation. it's about action against rumors that lead to celebrities unalive.

teamtokkies peition is not going to national assembly. it's goign to lawyers and will be showed in court. it's different from NA petition.

[stiff prairie]

Oh my bad for wrong info then. I saw petition and thought that was it. Thanks for the correction

[cinder narwhal]

nj is banned not necessarily njz lol probably to avoid impersonation, and been here from the beginning. the member names are banned too

HeeJin is banned too wow

[wind monolith]

oh i see mb

[upbeat stream]

Speaking of usernames, I still remember someone had a hilarious username, kinda like "Jooyoung stole my pork cutlet" and Minji replied to them. Everyone was losing their minds lol

I'm sure she didn't notice, but like every reply other than hers was about that

The question itself was fine, they were asking Minji her favorite snack

[stiff prairie]

is mhj available?

[cinder narwhal]

taken, but this isn't

[tawdry vessel]

they can't ban emojis

[hollow sorrel]

them thinking of this as a "gotcha" moment but when Hanni got a new visa the government was corrupt and NJZ and MHJ had connections... pick a narrative?

[waxen musk]

What happened in here, why are there hundreds of messages? This is what happens when I go off Twitter and now I'm scared to backread.

[hoary frost]

I dont undefstand how they could ddeduce not guilty from allat

[mild mist]

well it's not "not guilty", it's "not enough evidence to proceed with the prosecution"

[stiff prairie]

it's essentially not guilty as in from now on other companies can follow employees to their houses or detain them for several hours demanding their personal phones. that's all i can gather from this procedure tbh

[short laurel]

it's just not enough evidence. if employee had recorded ador demanding their personal phone than MOL have to do something about it. if MOL still ignored it then employee can go to court and MOL would be questioned cuz demanding personal phone for audit is illegal.

[stiff prairie]

everyone gotta wear body cam w sound on from now on i guess

[short laurel]

with companies abusing employees like that. yea no other choice.

[cerulean lake]

those ppl in the kpop thread somehow thought mhj was behind yoon’s removal from office so i say they are officially cooked

[orchid field]

what watching too much kdrama does to a mf

[copper jetty]

That's funny af.... I guess they conveniently forgot he declared martial law so that he wouldn't be ousted as a president. That's some weird selective amnesia they have there.

[short laurel]

Nha, mhj's shaman hypnotized yoon to do all this.

[mild mist]

yeah it's like red alert 2

[cerulean lake]

they acknowledged that but they still had some belief that mhj pulled some gov strings while not blinking an eye that bsh’s dad was a top official in the gov 😂😂

[short laurel]

I remember post about mhj pulling strings to harm bsh's families position in government.

Those hags were seriously worried about corrupted old men sitting in top government position

[copper jetty]

I still can't believe how people think mhj is all powerful that can even affect politicians' decisions, and that she could do massive media play more than a billion dollar company.. Like come on... she maybe could have connections inside the art community but even politicians??

[short laurel]

It's the shaman power

[cerulean lake]

oh so they do know that his dad was a gov official but they can’t put the dots together 😂😂

[copper jetty]

More like they refuse to

[cerulean lake]

yes bc it doesn’t fit their confirmation bias

[marble cape]

anyone have tldr? what was ador/hybe not found guilty for?

[copper jetty]

Poor bsh... from rags to riches yk

[cerulean lake]

basically the same ministry that bsh’s dad worked for said that the ador’s employee complaint abt workplace harassment was invalid or smth like that

[short laurel]

Nothing. Case was dismissed for insufficient evidence. That's all.

[cerulean lake]

mind you that that same ministry kept saying the same bs for the past complaints

[marble cape]

is this about hanni being bullied or something else?

[cerulean lake]

except for hanni’s case, i think they said it was invalid bc she’s not considered a worker 🤔

nah it was for another employee at ador that got harassed during the audit i think. someone correct me if im wrong

[short laurel]

Og ador employee complaint about workplace harrasment for the 3 hours unannounced audit she got n ador demanding her personal device.

[marble cape]

ohh smh

[copper jetty]

Yeah it was for that employee. She was harassed and Ador was trying to get her personal phone for audit ig

[marble cape]

oh wow

[cerulean lake]

need justice to be prevailed 🙏🙏

[marble cape]

that fandom already spreading misinfo both twitter and tiktok smh

[cerulean lake]

[short laurel]

Always record when u get audited. Though u will be fined if u are discovered but incase company pull bs ull have proof.

[cerulean lake]

i mean it’s expected that’s their jobs atp 😔 i need them to get some real jobs

[copper jetty]

I mean what's new though? It's their modus since they have the numbers. Honestly I'm just tired of them, I got all of them on mute and I only see ss of fellow tokkis. I'm taking a break for my mental health

[short laurel]

Ministry of labour is already not trusted by even koreans rn. But if employee happens to have some evidence, she can sue in court n mol will be questioned for dismissing the case. So i hope she have a proof

[copper jetty]

Hopefully. I'm just scared that the media play is gonna get worse in the next coming days and weeks before the injunction. Also we're still waiting for that njz_pr spoiler of a press conference by those 5 korean music companies.

[short laurel]

Association. Not companies

[copper jetty]

Not much difference since it's mostly pro companies and agencies as opposed to artists.

[short laurel]

Fair

[tawdry vessel]

new account another plant?

[craggy skiff]

wait, did mhj run any boygroup before?

[waxen musk]

EXO

Shinee

V from BTS' solo album

She didn't "run" them though.

[waxen musk]

Why is the second thing I see on /r/kpop the news about Olivia posted 2 hours ago? I will not be clicking on that I do not want to hear what they think.

The news came out 15 hours ago, not 2 hours ago.

Now just a few minutes later, it's the first thing you see on /r/kpop.

[storm warren]

They have developed incurable obsession with NJZ and everything and everyone NJZ is associated with. don't take it to heart. their hateful echo chamber will never prevail

[tawdry vessel]

she's not even a kpop artist

[jolly junco]

dont worry we'll have 1 or 2 new account like this after the first hearing about the injuction

[short laurel]

Mhj is among the best producers in the kpop idol industry.
Even her haters agree on this. Those who don't have no idea about kpop history.

She's also among the few who give artists creative freedom.

To say she's not fit to run a gg shows their ignorance.

[stiff prairie]

tbh if i were mhj i'd be like fck this shit i'm out and only do bg from now on

ok actually no they'll put more controversy when it's actually an opposite gender

[stiff prairie]

this has to be the funniest circlejerk in this server

[short laurel]

Or get out of idol industry n work with korean music industry.

Much less obsessive stans

[stiff prairie]

that too. like it's all fun and games for us and most of us care about the girls way more than mhj

but if we put ourselves in her positions it's such a sad story

[sage venture]

actually, she’s not even a fan of K-pop music Unless she genuinely cares about the girls, she could easily move to another industry and still find success

[stiff prairie]

honestly if i were her i'd just file the lawsuit to get my money from the shares and never look back lol

*x -c https://x.com/CakeDegg/status/1894245025409593635

[harsh dove]

@CakeDegg <t:1740458182:d>

The ranking and market share of K-pop keywords in the 2024 International Hallyu Trend Analysis Report released by Korea’s Ministry of Culture, Sports and Tourism

7. NewJeans
8. Min Hee Jin 🤣

[stiff prairie]

but she is the 6th gen it girl so

wait miso got it wrong mhj is at 27 not 8. idk why it shows 8

[short laurel]

Miso misinformation.

[jolly junco]

miso showing support for MHJ

[frozen granite]

Wait what is this ??

[heady gate]

It is a K-pop keyword search ranking. NJ and MHJ's names are on the list. That is

[hollow sorrel]

Can someone remind me again I know that those 5 fraud companies are planning to do something on 02.27, is it a press conference or just a private meeting?

KMCA, etc

[storm warren]

press con afaik

[midnight zodiac]

What are the chances those companies slip up during the press con and give out evidence for a free win for the girls?

[cerulean lake]

that would be amazing

[fleet nebula]

probs low...but never zero

[tired cairn]

to verify the correction to the mis(o)info, min hee jin is indeed 27th (민희진). NewJeans is in the shared 7th spot with H*be
-# Though they're actually just 8th and idk why they put it as a shared spot

-# discord transformed the 27. part into a markdown list with automated numbering. If you copy the message you'll see it correctly copied 27 from the tweet.

[hoary frost]

Why r u whispering

[cinder narwhal]

https://x.com/juantokki/status/1894563010510987653
nothing new, just an editorial

1tokki (@juantokki) on X

Why Are They Afraid of NewJeans (NJZ)? [Jeon Hyung-hwa's Direct Writing]
https://t.co/QOzO8PxDxf
Jeon Hyung-hwa, Journalist

Why are they so afraid of these young women?

Recently, Korean pop music industry organizations have released official statements on two major issues: the

X · Feb 26, 2025, 1:39 AM

[red thorn]

Juan might want to edit that abbreviation of the association

[frozen granite]

I always get scared of these thinking it’s something bad 😩

[short laurel]

Still a positive article is nice to c

[copper jetty]

I actually like this article. It raises a legitimate question of how did they conclude the tampering allegations? Was it an independent investigation or was it because it's what Hybe wants them to say?

And the hows to this should matter more than the result.

[jolly junco]

wow today is so quiet, not like yesterday

[tawdry vessel]

quiet is good

[upbeat stream]

Wait what happened yesterday?

[cosmic belfry]

We don't talk about yesterday

[sage venture]

it might just be me, but I feel like they're building up a narrative
There’s news today that Ablume’s(the former three members of FIFTY FIFTY) new producer is the same director who was accused of tampering (https://m.entertain.naver.com/article/009/0005450337 ) And the timing is really suspicious Remember, there’s a press conference coming up tomorrow, held by music industry associations, discussing the 'tampering' issue with NJZ I’m pretty sure they’ll use this case to push the same narrative

[upbeat stream]

Ahn Seung-il? I had read that he went to prison

[cinder narwhal]

does tampering need to be proven in court to say that it actually happened?

[sage venture]

nope the lawsuit is still ongoing

[upbeat stream]

I saw that on reddit, shouldn't have trusted them lol

I wonder how many instances of tampering have actually been proven in court

[sage venture]

if you dig a little deeper, there are more than just a few suspicious points Turns out the new FIFTY FIFTY member came from BELIFT Now, where’s the connection between HYBE and them?

[cinder narwhal]

I love conspiracy theories

[sage venture]

anyway I hope my hunch is wrong, but we’ll see tomorrow

[wind monolith]

Imma go burn these associations

[sage venture]

I tried to recall when FIFTY FIFTY members were bombarded by the media and online communities It feels eerily similar to how MHJ was attacked during last April’s audit, especially with Dispatch’s ‘exclusive reports’ and the same cyber wreckers having information that only insiders should know Maybe it's the same party pulling the strings I'll keep an eye on this

[stiff prairie]

idt anything groundbreaking will happen tomorrow. they'll say tamering is an issue, we need more laws to save company investments, we can't let groups like newjeans get free from companies scot free etc and news tabloids will do 100s of articles that's all

[mild mist]

Either way you could always sue for defamation

It's the in thing in Korea these days

[upbeat stream]

Maybe they'll announce that they are not gonna include njz on circle chart

[sage venture]

I hope not, but my guess is that Dispatch or another HYBE controlled media like Tenasia will drop an 'exclusive' report, followed by stalker like photos or selectively edited messages Then, the association will say, 'We have proof, this is the same case as FIFTY FIFTY,' and other media will keep repeating the cycle

[cerulean lake]

kpop industry has no backbone

just a bunch of lapdogs glazing and kissing ass to their yes men

[flint stone]

https://x.com/47adgr/status/1894690477976494525?t=IpSpDXHTHiOWcV79Ev8tTg&s=19

Eskdiri (@47adgr) on X

???????? 정진수야 뭐해

X · Feb 26, 2025, 10:06 AM

[short laurel]

the company that took no action on deepfake is talking about eradicating it. nice joke

[copper jetty]

so do we assume that the pc is still a go from those associations? Also idk y but i get the feeling that njz might do a surprise drop tomorrow... 7/22 when opposite is 2/27 so I'm hoping something is coming

-delulu

[tall dew]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/948918589602267186/1234421470826856508/FB_IMG_1714377845119.jpg?ex=6630ac15&is=662f5a95&hm=3a0f63a41baecf295cfcb6961843d8795ccd57e80f854c76f43507a217e9d504&

[short laurel]

i kinda want them to say something so stupid that NJZ and parents can sue them to hell.

it's gonna be lil annoying though tomorrow.

[copper jetty]

chances are low but never zero so...

[kindred estuary]

we just need to brace ourselves tomorrow i guess 😅

[short laurel]

pls pls pls don't post reddit threads here tomorrow

[copper jetty]

also are we to assume that if they don't go to the njz reddit thread, they'll be coming here instead? More of those gonna be here huh.