NJZ Updates and Discussion

[waxen musk]

Yet I hear Koreans saying ssibal like crazy in TV/movies and in real life all the time lol. Maybe it’s not as strong I don’t actually know.

[short laurel]

not true. they curse ALOT. they just have problems when cursing is in english.

they are just braindead lil 7's. tip on using twt. if u c 7 in their name. 90% chance it's BS account.

[tardy smelt]

it's not that serious, it's just a funny out of character moment when she's typically mindful of younger fans

i haven't seen anyone take njz swearing seriously

even koreans were having a laugh at hanni's slip-up

[waxen musk]

Yeah people are mostly fine. I only saw two weirdos. But pointing it out in general is just something that would skip my mind considering how foul-mouthed I am.

[errant mango]

i mean there's people who literally will always find to speak bs on anything they do

[stiff prairie]

*x https://twitter.com/minjigongjunim1/status/1889773188445303132 -c

[harsh dove]

@minjigongjunim1 <t:1739392013:d>

just so you know, we should hope ADOR wins 😞🙏

[stiff prairie]

I'm at a loss for words. These people can't be real living breathing persons. I refuse to believe

[waxen musk]

I love how the people saying if NJZ win anything that they'll suspect "meddling" going on, when that's LITERALLY what's happening on Hybe's side when it comes to things like the top company situation (that hopefully will change soon). Can you remind me of some other examples of Hybe's potential connections helping them out?

[jolly junco]

Why you need a reminder of that?

[waxen musk]

Because I'm forgetful. Anyway, there's lots of real examples. Whereas with NJZ I don't know why people are even considering that.
I think that National Assembly thing yesterday probably didn't help. People already think it's because of that guy speaking about Hanni's visa situation that she got it renewed, not reading the parent's notice saying she got it the day before that happened.

[orchid field]

Alright end of discussion

[ocean arch]

How I hope knetz to have a life outside of being chronically online

[mild mist]

I wanted ADOR to lose already, but I want them to lose even more now, just to spite this person

[cinder narwhal]

lmaooo

[short laurel]

If ador wins then i m gonna 100% call it political corruption involvement.

[stiff prairie]

if ador wins i'll stop being a kpop stan period

well most likely

[errant mango]

these mfs really thinks hybe is the weaker side of the history and are the victims and oppressed, these people can't be real bro

[cerulean lake]

all this victim complex for hybe wouldn’t happen if it was a different company

it’s just bc of the groups they’re housing that’s causing all these stans to crash out

[short laurel]

if it was SM. SM fandoms stans will curse the hell out of SM. actually they already doing it regardless of what SM does good or bad.

[frozen granite]

Is this true?

[hoary frost]

no, and I suggest not listening to that person. They’re weird

[waxen musk]

No idea. A main reason people are even considering BANA is because of how they responded to being questioned about a new girl group being signed under them.
I would love to know why there's such secrecy and seemingly delay after annoucing NJZ and not knowing who they are or will be signed with. It's creating a lot of speculation, that I bet just like everything else, will sound crazy and end up being not that big of a deal.

If they have finalised a signing to whoever it is already, then any delay on announcing it is only delaying the inevitable, which makes me just speculate that maybe things aren't 100% finalised yet and everything is moving very quickly.

I almost feel like work on NJZ had not even started until the weekend after the Korean holidays, a few days before their announcement

[steep torrent]

I hear tokkis don't even want nj to sign with bana bc supposedly they don't even do anything with krystal

[waxen musk]

Sounds to me they only do the basics, and let the artists do what they want with no real massive push to help them out.

They're obviously not a Hybe, lol. OBVIOUSLY.

I think they're mostly just a place for creatives to come together and then move those people onto bigger contracts with other companies. Like a middle man company almost. I have no idea.

[frozen granite]

Who is Krystal ?

[steep torrent]

one of bana's artists. she was an f(x) member

[sage venture]

BANA has no connection to ADOR without MHJ

[frozen granite]

So BANA can work with NJZ ?

[sage venture]

yep but not sure if NJZ would sign with BANA since they're a really small company

[upbeat stream]

Big companies don't usually sign redebuting groups, and njz can't trust most of them

BANA or own label

I wouldn't like anything else

[sage venture]

I don't know NJZ pulled in almost $70M USD in just one year with only a two day concert Imagine if they went on tour with regular album releases, that’s a money making machine I don’t think MHJ is short on options, even with big companies But if she wants to go her own way, she’ll probably start her own company

[upbeat stream]

Trust is a bigger factor, no matter how many guarantees you get from the company, they can still screw you over

An independent label under kakao could be an option. They don't seem to meddle much with their labels, especially for top artists

Like starship or IU's Edam

[waxen musk]

Whatever they do, I feel like it'll be unexpected.

[sage venture]

I like the independent option too, but every company squeezes their first big artist dry to build a foundation and even with MHJ, that’s inevitable I just don’t want the girls to be used like that..... but what would I know?

[waxen musk]

Edit: I wanna delete my message cos Hyein said the agency situations is sorted and not to worry.

I mean they're already going to HK to perform WITHOUT the announcement of an agency. Does this mean they managed that without an agency or with one that we don't currently know?
If not, then why couldn't they do this again for other performances aroudn the world and earn funds through that, enough to make a proper company that can do everything they need. Will take time but I feel like that is the type of unexpected thing I could see. NO idea if this is realistic or not because I haven't gave it much thought.

[upbeat stream]

That depends on how ambitious they wanna be. They can create a personal agency which manages just them. Won't reach the heights they did under hybe but at this point, we should be ok with that. Basically follow IU's and Highlight's successful blueprint

[upbeat stream]

I think they already have, just haven't announced yet. But who knows

[sage venture]

yep They defo have one, maybe just pending official signing The recent big PR can't be done without it

[jolly junco]

😭😭 jiya are you here?

[short laurel]

Sk avoided hell of situation in yoon case. Dam

[wind monolith]

https://x.com/talytokki/status/1890225935359832290

taly (@talytokki) on X

BUNNIES!!!!

THE EVIL HAS BEEN DEFEATED!!! 😭🙌

X · Feb 14, 2025, 2:25 AM

[jolly junco]

WE WONNNN???? LOLLLL

ok next sean lim, when???

[sage venture]

maybe it's their new agency doing

[cinder narwhal]

https://x.com/seuniiiiiiiiiii/status/1890223723455844357

i (@seuniiiiiiiiiii) on X

뉴비트 newbeat debut 🔜

X · Feb 14, 2025, 2:17 AM

this leak account is back and I almost got a heart attack

[jolly junco]

who tf is newbeat

[half knot]

https://x.com/NewBeat_twt

a boy group that is suspiciously boyjeanz even more than BND or TWS

but they haven't debuted properly yet

[stiff prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/jalen-hurts-jalen-hurts-meek-mill-i-used-to-pray-for-times-like-this-gif-13709870523385828441

[jolly junco]

Is this a cheap version of newjeans? 😭

[stiff prairie]

looks like a dance cover group

close enough welcome back newjeans... ?

[copper jetty]

I'm surprised. Isn't sniper inactive or was it still posting nasty thing about njz?

I've only seen jjinjins ss in the past months so I thought team bunnies already got to sniper last time.

Sean Lim and jinhoe next

[kindred estuary]

sniper was inactive since jan. 11th 2025

[copper jetty]

Oh thank God... now Sean Lim next please. Get that mf.

[orchid field]

sean lim next PLEASE

[red thorn]

Sniper sniped
That acc was got worse spreading the misinfo, used to be sourced the (mis)info but overtime it became trust my arse's source,
Jinjin the same but reverse.

[cosmic belfry]

Where will the people on reddit get their talking points now?

[jolly junco]

sean lim

[short laurel]

So bsh made boy jeans n gonna brag about their success as his work when it's just build of mhj planning while she was ceo. N copy newjeans on top of it

[jolly junco]

Is that fake boyjeanz from HYBE America?

[wind monolith]

guys they are under beats entertainment not hybe

[steel depot]

Omg let's go get Sean Lim too!

[cerulean lake]

hope he was inactive bc he was in jail

[short laurel]

ok. then i'll try to support them.

[cinder narwhal]

don't jump the gun research first lmao this is scary

no different from tiny 7s

[short laurel]

i've become very anti-hybe now

they turned me into this.

[short laurel]

but this is what's happening at ador right now though so i m not wrong?

[cinder narwhal]

I'm pointing out the lack of research and critical thinking not that what you said isn't happening. I'm holding bunnies to a higher standard

[short laurel]

i m still not wrong though. 🤷‍♂️

[waxen musk]

I wish these account suspension could reverse all the damage caused.

[wind monolith]

Research should still be done even if it sounds similar

We cant assume everything is bcz of hybe, this a genuine group debuting we cant just slander for no rzn

[upbeat stream]

They never relied on these twitter accounts. They use ai to translate korean articles. That's their source so there's no stopping those obsessed freaks

[cerulean lake]

well unfortunately i’ve seen ppl try to use sniper as a reference there yet they always ask us for legit sources

need someone to sue the heck out of that sean lim guy

[mild mist]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-rising-metal-gear-rising-revengeance-raiden-senator-armstrong-source-gif-25038929

[cerulean lake]

need that jumpscare off my screen

[short laurel]

but hybe is launching a bg n gg ?

u guys called then newjeans like above so what else would come to mind 🤷‍♂️

[wind monolith]

im talking to everyone who said its like newjeans and saying its a hybe group not specifically u, its better to do research before assuming

[stiff prairie]

If I got a penny every time I saw legit bunnies using sniper/aespanjeans as sources in TikTok I'd have 2 pennies. Which isn't a lot but it's weird that it happened twice.

[orchid field]

🧢🧢

[jolly junco]

who is aerichandesu?

[storm warren]

giselle

[orchid field]

Giselle of aespa you would get stoned to death for asking that on some parts of the internet

[steep torrent]

just gonna assume this was bc they were in la a while ago

[jolly junco]

Ohhh okay

[stiff prairie]

But why is she eating w a mask on tho

[jolly junco]

Its called “posing with the props”

[cinder narwhal]

https://x.com/talytokki/status/1890323293795705293

taly (@talytokki) on X

NME reached out to Hybe for a comment on the member’s parents' statement on instagram, but Hybe did not respond.

Yeahhh… they know they messed up BIG TIME 😭

X · Feb 14, 2025, 8:52 AM

[upbeat stream]

10asia is reporting that bana is managing njz and that they may have signed with them, according to multiple insiders

Idk if they know this for sure or it's an attempt to get njz to reveal their agency

[copper jetty]

lmao... i mean not all of bunnies are fans of other kpop artists as well.

[cinder narwhal]

10asia might as well be rumor mongering with us here lol

[wind monolith]

10asia reports bsh was sent to the moon

[copper jetty]

nah... 10asia is a trash tabloid, werent they forced to do a correction by the press arbritration commission?

[orchid field]

the word tabloid itself should already indicate that nobody should trust their articles

[cinder narwhal]

Haha you can clearly see what side they're on, they still call njz newjeans

[wind monolith]

TenAsia attempted to contact BANA multiple times for confirmation, but received no response.

They just yapped but dont know

[upbeat stream]

I know that's why I said that they could be trying to make njz reveal their label

[copper jetty]

true.. I don't know if it's gonna be BANA though... it would make sense for the mhj connection but they're a pretty small company to be handling NJZ

[upbeat stream]

We should wait for either first hand confirmation or at least from pro-njz sources like ilgan or donga

[copper jetty]

I'm still holding on to a big music record label that probably is international to be handling them. I don't think BANA has enough resources for it

[upbeat stream]

Which big company do you have in mind? I said this yesterday but the situation they are in, they can't trust those big ones

[copper jetty]

not in kpop

universal would make more sense but i heard they also have hybe connection so now i have no idea

[cinder narwhal]

the 10asia report just reposted what's being talked about in this channel lol nothing new all speculation

[upbeat stream]

Oh yeah american label could be plausible, but they surely can't trust the big4 kpop companies

[sage venture]

There’s no real info in that article except that Hanni’s visa type is E-6 and if that’s true, they must have checked her visa status illegally, likely using info illegally provided by ADOR

[copper jetty]

E-6 is the standard visa for those who worked in the entertainment industry. Maybe that's what's Hanni's previous visa and they're banking that she applied for just a renewal but there's still no source that it is E-6

[jolly junco]

should we invite 10asia reporter here? They can have a real discussion with us

lets be delusion together 10asia

[kindred estuary]

they edited the article and removed that visa part lol

but k-tokkies were fast enough to screenshot the previous unedited version

[copper jetty]

sue those tabloids lmao

yow.. if bunnies are doing a fundraising for those lawyers, I'm going to donate! They had jjinjins running her butt out of x

[upbeat stream]

How did they know that? Do they have sources at the immigration office? If so, that is deplorable. njz needs to sue them

[sage venture]

That could lead to a serious criminal lawsuit if they actually used someone's passport number

[copper jetty]

Also, I don't know but with what's happening with their x haters and the tabloids making corrections and being sued before NJZ debut again... I feel like it's definitely a cleansing before the debut

[sage venture]

you can check visa status with passport number and private information online

[copper jetty]

but passport number is private information

with that type of leak, Ador should definitely be sued to oblivion

https://x.com/uhhahawewin/status/1890248622870274432

Nevermind (@uhhahawewin) on X

NJZ 데뷔일 D-37 남음 🥳
#엔제이지 #njz

X · Feb 14, 2025, 3:56 AM

[sage venture]

FRAUDOR is the one who leaked Hanni's visa expiration in February to cyber rekka

[upbeat stream]

Idk about korean law but this would be illegal in most countries. They need to sue these journalists for breach of privacy, which would lead to a subpoena and expose ador

[copper jetty]

Yeah. Even the government were scared to leak her visa status and her employer just upped and straight gave it.

[upbeat stream]

That would be a huge argument in the main lawsuit

[jolly junco]

wow is this real or edited?

[copper jetty]

I think they're definitely gonna bring that up. And i wonder what Ador's statement gonna be like

[copper jetty]

idk... just saw it on x

https://www.nme.com/news/music/newjeans-parents-accuse-ador-of-exploiting-hannis-residency-status-and-recklessly-disseminating-personal-information-to-media-3837574

Isn't NME international?

[sage venture]

yep isn't that uk ?

[copper jetty]

see this is why i think their agency is also international. They be getting their side through the international media even before the k media

[wind monolith]

When reached out to for comment, HYBE told NME that “the label has no further comment”
☠️☠️☠️ hybe y not

[tardy smelt]

well there we go, no BANA

[copper jetty]

we all know why... the lawyers would be getting them to stay silent to prevent more future troubles

[tardy smelt]

as per njz_pr post

[sage venture]

good maybe I should send a tip to 60 Minutes, too

[copper jetty]

lmao, they're going after 10 asia

[steep torrent]

they called out the person who made that article too

[cinder narwhal]

lol

[copper jetty]

uhmmm.. is no one pinning things anymore? I mean NJZ_PR posts should be pinned

[vale dagger]

~t
https://x.com/newjeans_loop/status/1890333965787230647?t=CMpu2tP2icrHtTccrYqKPQ&s=19

[narrow seal]

250214 newjeans_loop Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/newjeans_loop/status/1890333965787230647
Hello,
We would like to inform you that the exclusive article by reporter Min-Kyung Lee of 'TenAsia,' titled "NJZ Joins Hands with Bana," is completely false and baseless.
NJZ has never signed any affiliation contract with Bana or engaged in any discussions regarding such

[cinder narwhal]

I love this they're fighting back

[upbeat stream]

oh 10asia you'll never change

[copper jetty]

I think now their new agency is moving. With the press releases and this included with the parents instagram accounts and their lawyers... I love that they're actually trying to fight back with hybe media play now

[sage venture]

seriously, this feels kinda racist and like harassment against a foreigner Maybe the Australian embassy should step in for an international lawsuit

[orchid field]

cooking them in public

[upbeat stream]

I think what's mostly likely is that bana could be helping them but without an official contract

outsourcing management is smart at this stage

[copper jetty]

That could be one more scenario... It's a win win situation for both parties too

[fierce cloak]

yeah sadly the members who left was manipulated by the PD, he's a scammer
unlike mhj genuinely competent & take care of NJZ and all of them have strong loyalty and united support from parents
and they are much smarter & follow through the steps, but also they learned the lesson from 5050 to avoid it

[jolly junco]

Bruh NJZ_pr is the best thing that ever happened to NJZ since last year

They are so quick to refute these mediaplay

HYBE cant move recklessly now since NJZ PR can easily shot down any rumor they created about the girls

[stable escarp]

So much faster than the "premium" services hybe gave

[copper jetty]

[upbeat stream]

This is the first time I've been seeing redditors have doubt about ador's chances. They used to be so confident but since Hanni got her visa and the politican spoke on her behalf, the've been crashing out

It's glorious

[cinder narwhal]

which subs? the threads are still locked lol

[upbeat stream]

kpopthoughts and kpoprants

[copper jetty]

can you dm me the link?

[fast cobalt]

Hanni got her visa back?

What a hurray

[copper jetty]

yeah she got her visa since 2/11 approved

[fast cobalt]

The type is still unknown right? If so, then the E-6 visa she got is fake news?

[upbeat stream]

10asia wrote that it's E6 and then deleted it

[copper jetty]

10asia just removed that on the article but bunnies were quick to the ss

[fast cobalt]

Well well well

[fast cobalt]

Wait, sorry to ask but NJZ is now under a new agency or currently still independent?

[steep torrent]

think this is the ss
*x https://x.com/aegis_of_njz/status/1890329255805923749?s=46

AEGIS of NJZ (@aegis_of_njz) on X

이 기사캡쳐부분은 현재는 수정/삭제된 텐아시아 이민경기자의 '[단독] "NJZ, 바나와 손 잡았다"…뉴진스, 어도어 떠나 결국 새 소속사 접촉' 제목의 기사에서 제가 직접 캡쳐한것입니다. 절대 조작하거나 임의수정한것이 없으니 그 어디에 쓰셔도 '원본캡쳐'임을 제가 보장합니다.

X · Feb 14, 2025, 9:16 AM

[upbeat stream]

just scroll up

[copper jetty]

they really haven't announced yet, this is more like speculations on my part

[fast cobalt]

Ah, gotcha

[steep torrent]

they're tagging the reporter on twt, wonder if thats even them lol reposts are in kr

[sage venture]

This is an easy catch because visa checks leave a log in the server If a criminal lawsuit is filed, they can directly check whether Hanni's passport was used illegally

[copper jetty]

I didn't know that visa checks have logs??

[jolly junco]

Hyein said they will anounce soon about their agency, told bunnies not to worry about it

I think it means that they already have an agency in mind and in the process of write up a contract

[sage venture]

It should

[fast cobalt]

Hey that's nice

[cinder narwhal]

how did we go to hanni's passport being used illegally

[copper jetty]

the way they reported that it's an E-6 visa, no one announced what type of visa she had. The only way they will get that is for them to check. And they would need Hanni's passport number for it

[cinder narwhal]

interesting

[copper jetty]

Idk if that's what they did, they might just be speculating what type of visa she has based on her previous one

[cinder narwhal]

that's more likely

[fast cobalt]

Maybe just speculating
If they really found out her visa type with her passport number then hybe or ador staff or whoever will be in huge trouble

[copper jetty]

thing is the article doesn't say that they were speculating though. It literally stated that what she has is an E-6

[sage venture]

njz_pr said they're going to file a criminal lawsuit and I guess that's the reason

[jolly junco]

Amen 🙏

[copper jetty]

Also again, they just revealed Hanni's visa status and invaded her privacy if true.

[fast cobalt]

So my mind came out with maybe a theory
Most probably they thought that okay Hanni works in the entertainment industry so her visa HAS to be a E-6 or else it won't make sense which gave them this confident boost so directly state and confirm Hanni's visa is e-6
But then this part of the article is edited out no?

[upbeat stream]

Exactly, they were careful enough to say njz 'may' have signed with bana but outright said Hanni has E6

[fast cobalt]

Then lawsuit is coming

[copper jetty]

yeah they edited this out BUT kbunnies have ss

[upbeat stream]

But there are other visa types that would allow her to work, like F2

[fast cobalt]

Right now no one can confirm that how did 10sia or whatever this dumbass company is got the information or confirm the information of her visa type

[sage venture]

well let's just say, normally, 100Asia doesn't fix articles this quickly

[fast cobalt]

Well well well situation then
Now 10sia will need to release a statement regarding how they confirmed hanni's visa type or else it would be kind of a privacy invasion case

10sia 100asia whatever

[short laurel]

tenasia

when u gain enough traction on internet. even if u post something and remove it in 0.5 sec. people will already have your ss. many peopel and companies still doesn't realise this.

[fast cobalt]

As you mentioned before if I remember correctly, E-6 is for Entertainment workers right
So maybe for them they thought "logically Hanni should have that visa type because of her entertainment worker career" and so they straight up confirmed it but I don't think this kind of news reporting company or so wouldn't have this 5 year old logic

[short laurel]

sorry for poor english

[upbeat stream]

You can work in any field with F2

[wind monolith]

I have seen some ppl already saying this

https://x.com/poppykpoppie/status/1890345076573847564?s=46

PoppyKPoppie (@PoppyKPoppie) on X

the only reason why they’re bringing up BANA is to support their tampering and breach of trust narrative. these fraudsters think they’re credible - well, unless you’re an incel, an armpit, a freaknot or a stealiit 😒

X · Feb 14, 2025, 10:19 AM

[copper jetty]

yeah for me this is more of a fafo situation that 10asia deserve

[fast cobalt]

Owh
Like I said maybe they thought that the visa she's holding before OR now mainly focuses on entertainment so yeah but I'm sure 10asia workers are not stupid to this point

[short laurel]

there are soo many visa type and after staying in korea for few years soo many opens up. hanni is eligible for many types. it's very hard to guess which one she got. for all we know she might've even applied for permanent residency since she's eligible for it now.

[fast cobalt]

Which makes the possibility of they somehow got the information illegally or so even higher

[short laurel]

i hope national assembly brought this up again. their media is targetting foreign worker again and again.

[fast cobalt]

Media companies are dumb but I'm sure they ain't dumb enough to put their whole company's fame at stake on a possibly fake information just to gain attention from the crowd

[short laurel]

u never heard of dispatch ?

[fast cobalt]

Undercover type shit?

[jolly junco]

We keep winning this year NJZ and bunnies are on a roll

[fast cobalt]

Hopefully
Hanni had mentioned how she was mistreated on NA before and it seems like the national assembly is on her side from what I've seen

[upbeat stream]

Not to get attention but because they are paid large sums of money

[wind monolith]

Oh u dont know media companies will be brain dead for money

[fast cobalt]

Good damn thing I don't put money over my life

[upbeat stream]

Maybe you missed it but these specific journals have been in full collusion with ador, posting exclusive information that only ador could know for months

[fast cobalt]

Then it's a well well well situation
Maybe 10asia will release a statement regarding this, maybe not
If njz_pr files a lawsuit on them regarding this case honestly they are done for

[short laurel]

dispatch cover alot of articles. but soo many times it's full of BS. dispatch is now known as stalker and no trust media company. soo many times whenever dispatch reports something majority of times it's wrong information lol. it's weird that they haven't been sued yet cuz stalking is very illegal there.

[fast cobalt]

So this basically means that they got the information illegally and if it's really so then they're fucked

[upbeat stream]

They're likely not going to jail for it. Think about it, if they are paid 1 M won by ador and get fined 500k by the court, they still made money. The real loser here could be ador if the police can determine that they are behind these leaks

[fast cobalt]

Even better

[stiff prairie]

Yoo what happened

[fast cobalt]

If the authorities found out that ador is behind the leak then they're done

[fast cobalt]

Idk why I think bribery is involved in this kind of shit

[short laurel]

rememebr nj trainee leaks on dispatch. dispatch said they got it from 3rd party. only possible source for those is hybe and somu. dispatch avoided responsibility there by pointing fingers. i wonder if it'll be brought up in court.

[short laurel]

very much yes.

[wind monolith]

10asia came out with an arricle saying maybe njz signed to bana and hanni has an e-6 visa

[short laurel]

now njz parents taking legal actions against 10asia.

[fast cobalt]

Yeah
You can't expect a place to be completely clean, there'll be dust at some point
Same goes to these systems, can't expect them to be all clean, there's corruption at some point even if it's only a bit

[wind monolith]

Njz-pr straight away said its a lie they have had no contract with bana and r taking legal action

[stiff prairie]

And njz pr refuted claims and suing cause how they know her visa status and nme(dunno who they) are went to hybe for response but didn't get any?
Am I up-to-date?

[jolly junco]

10asia write articles about NJZ joining hands with BANA and revealed that hanni new visa is E6 (allegedly), but they edited out the E6 part quickly after that

But then kbunnies have a proof of SS before they edited it out. Then NJZ pr make a statement about 10asia articles and will file a criminal lawsuit against them

[short laurel]

but at this point everyone just c dispatch and call it BS. their reputation has gone down to negative lol.

[fast cobalt]

Obviously

[wind monolith]

Yep

[stiff prairie]

Lessgooo bring destruction to all these shitty tabloids asap

[wind monolith]

Pretty sure nme is a British newspaper

[stiff prairie]

Who is nme tho? How big of a news agency are they?

[fast cobalt]

Njz pr is the closest if not one of the closest people to njz
With those denials 10asia is mostly fucked

[stiff prairie]

Oh ok tysm

[wind monolith]

New Musical Express (NME) is a British music, film, gaming, and culture website and brand. Founded as a newspaper in 1952, with the publication being referred to as a 'rock inkie', the NME would become a magazine that ended up as a free publication, before becoming an online brand which includes its website and radio stations.

[stiff prairie]

We going international news so much makes me think we have a big intl agency now

[fast cobalt]

I don't believe that in court the judge would trust a media company more than njz's parents themselves

[cinder narwhal]

NME is like a smaller British complex

[short laurel]

it's crazy that they have to rely on western media to share their voice. when western media itself loves to spread BS about other countries all the time. T_T world is so messed up

[stiff prairie]

They have no dogs in this fight (yet I think)

[jolly junco]

Yeah from now on anything that came out from HYBE, which is mostly lies, NJZ PR will be there to refute it

[fast cobalt]

🗣️

[stiff prairie]

But I think it's a bit tricky asw. Imagine if it was bana or smth else that hybe predicted correctly, njz pr couldn't come out and refute it nor could they stay silent about it

[upbeat stream]

I wonder why they stopped communicating via ilgan even though ilgan is still very much pro-njz if you read their articles

[fast cobalt]

But then for this time njz pr had refute the statement regarding NJZ's relationship with bana no?

[lucid yarrow]

well they could stalk them like usual to find out....

[short laurel]

but u guys heard to update on yoon martial law case? SK avoided one hell of a situation. and if hybe really is in cahoot with yoon according to what we know about his wife visiting hybe. then if by any chance had yoon succeed, NJ could've been among the celebrities they'd target.

[stiff prairie]

Yeah I hope they still give them smth from time to time just to let them know they are in the loop alongside whatever intl media it there. Plus gives Korean ppl smth more direct since they love njz asw

[cinder narwhal]

what his wife do at hybe

[fast cobalt]

What
The takeover case that happened before? I thought only Newjeans's lightsticks are involved

But not newjeans themselves or hybe😭

[stiff prairie]

No I'm not talking about this time. But say smth else since dispatch is probably stalking them as we speak. There could be anything that comes out as hybe's weapon that njz pr can't agree or deny. Those situations will become tricky

[lucid yarrow]

there were some stupid article that said NJZ is on a list in fbi or some shit bc they help ppl in those protest

[short laurel]

no it's more of speculation tbh. but the way hybe was protected. yoon's wife often visit hybe and bsh political connection. it's runs very deep. it's speculation if bsh could be part of the yoon BS. it's a messy stuff. they didn't succeed thankfully so we'll never know. u have to read it up on it understand but yesterdays reveal was sooo messed up.

[fast cobalt]

Yeah but if they somehow process another confidential bs by getting info from other authorities and the crowd somehow finds out hybe is fucked too

[fast cobalt]

I already expected Hybe would be in the political shit

[stiff prairie]

What revealed? Any links I can read up on?

[sage venture]

yep people reported it to the CIA or should I say, they thought they were reporting it to the CIA I'm not joking

[short laurel]

BSH family is in politics. have to look up again. it was in media so should be able to find it easily.

[fast cobalt]

Anything that is a monopoly in some industry confirm has a tie in the politics

[stiff prairie]

Oh that. I mean it was kind of well known anyways

[short laurel]

no it's off topic tbh. look up noh sang-won former head of intelligence. and what they were planning with that martial law.

[lucid yarrow]

well kpop is a soft power for korea so it being part of politics is a given

[stiff prairie]

I hope these leads to some investigation on how pension funds are being invested in stocks, how they keep getting top workplace status despite so much controversies etc

[fast cobalt]

Yep

[short laurel]

i m just worried since the plan involved targeting celebrities and NJZ joined in protest against yoon so if by chance had they succeed they might've targeted NJZ too. thankfully yoon's plan failed.

[copper jetty]

is it because NJZ gave free food for the rally?

[short laurel]

we don't know and will never know.

[stiff prairie]

Wait what did they plan on doing with the celebrities 😳

[copper jetty]

yeah i know it's off topic but if NJZ is involved then we can at least talk about it here ig

also i keep typing up their old name. I think it will take me time to get used to NJZ

[short laurel]

like i said it's just me speculating cuz of bsh political conenction and girls beign at protest. i'll dm you the link.

[copper jetty]

thanks

[stiff prairie]

Send me asw

[short laurel]

it didn't happen so nothing to worry.

it involves fortunetelling btw xD

[copper jetty]

yow shaman in the scene

[stiff prairie]

@modern fog pin it when you're online broski

[cinder narwhal]

why is it anything new

[split bramble]

yoon's shaman vs mhj's shaman

who wins?

[stiff prairie]

Did you ask me? Not new really but focus on visa info leaks and hybe's silence from an intl media outlet is important to put out there that's why and pins haven't been updated in ages

[cinder narwhal]

ohhh

[frozen bronze]

https://www.hani.co.kr/arti/english_edition/e_national/1182536.html

if anyone wants to read on the political situation mentioned above, off topic tho njz is not mentioned

[hoary frost]

SNIPER IS GONE

🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

[stiff prairie]

Old

We already did the funeral and shi

[hoary frost]

Y wasnt I invited

[upbeat stream]

Guys it seems 10asia had deleted one more part in their article that we missed.
'The CEO of a music label with decades of experience said, "NewJeans and BANA likely haven't signed a contract yet," '

[stiff prairie]

Idk you're not online as much these days. Comes with the territory

[stiff prairie]

sb tell them to stop being a news agency already

[upbeat stream]

Literal clowns

[short laurel]

they should just delete the entire article

[stiff prairie]

But they alr took hybe money. Gotta give them something now

[cinder narwhal]

https://x.com/CakeDegg/status/1890377229156143348

Cake🍀 (@CakeDegg) on X

if we guessed the new agency was the South Korean government, would hybe drop a press release saying njz new agency is the government? 🤣

X · Feb 14, 2025, 12:27 PM

[short laurel]

state owned entertainment agency. would be fun to c hybe dare fight that

[fierce cloak]

if the parents strongly denied Bana (and potential conflict between bana vs ador), then either MHJ establish new company with NJ, or they may sign international agency 🤔 but i never heard of any kpop group signed with international while active in korea, rather they needs a main somewhere and still have an agency in korea, or reverse main in korea and sign international representatives

[waxen musk]

It's really hard to know what would be best as an agency for NJZ, but at least now we know BANA isn't going to have to put all of their limited resources into such a huge group, I never saw them being able to handle it satisfactorily. You could say the same about a new company or being completely independant tbh. And huge companies would have the resources but also they scare me with their power and control. I don't know what I want, and I especially don't know why they're being so secretive.

[jolly junco]

Yeah them being so secretive about this whole agency thing is weird, like whats the point? We will know it sooner or later tho, they’ll have to publish it to continue working in the industry

AFAIK usually media will catch a wind when an idol/actor will sign with a new agenct, but NJZ are too tight and no one knows about it

Which makes me think that they really are going to established a new company

[copper jetty]

I think they being secretive about their agency is a good thing

Once hybe learns what their agency is, another round of media play is going to be released, and since the suits didn't even start yet let's just assume that anything could go wrong can go wrong, inlcuding hybe sabotage since that's been their bread and butter since the start. chefs kiss

[stable escarp]

It has to be self-made agency right? Isn't NJZ a liability?

[cinder narwhal]

*x -c https://x.com/CakeDegg/status/1890382041662841265

[harsh dove]

@CakeDegg <t:1739537174:d>

According to danielle’s dress, njz is signed with 88rising

[waxen musk]

I know people were joking, but I just looked at their artists and... NJZ could fit.

[limpid kestrel]

is there a translation of the latest njz pr post anywhere?

[waxen musk]

https://x.com/juantokki/status/1890336256959377852

Official Statement Regarding TenAsia’s Exclusive Article

Hello,

We would like to clarify that the exclusive article by TenAsia reporter Lee Min-kyung, titled "NJZ Joins Hands with BANA," is entirely false and baseless.

NJZ has never entered into any contract or held discussions with BANA regarding agency representation. The article claims to be based on testimony from "multiple industry insiders," but this is nothing more than a fabricated rumor. The fact that such an article was published without verifying the details with the involved parties, including BANA, suggests an intent to stir controversy.

We will be taking legal action against TenAsia for repeatedly spreading unverified falsehoods. This includes filing a complaint with the Press Arbitration Commission and pursuing strong criminal action.

NewJeans and those associated with them have already suffered severe emotional distress due to the continuous spread of unfounded claims presented as facts, leading to numerous misleading follow-up reports.

We urge TenAsia reporter Lee Min-kyung to take full legal responsibility for this article and the dissemination of false information.

We sincerely apologize for any disturbance caused on this evening before the weekend. Wishing you a peaceful night.

[limpid kestrel]

tysm!!

[fast cobalt]

???

[errant mango]

is so weird how these journalists, youutbers etc are so comfortable lying like that

[limpid kestrel]

anything for clicks 🥲

[errant mango]

i don't think is just for the clicks, i genuinely think they're being paid cuz they have risk of taking a lawsuit

also how they always are favorable towards hybe and always talking bs on nwjs without any basis

why they're so dedicated about it

[copper jetty]

maybe, but idk anyone that would want to go to jail for it. Supposedly you can right? Also, if it is then police would then know about it once investigation starts

[jolly junco]

lol

[short laurel]

sean lim does seem to want to go to jail.

[copper jetty]

I'm guessing he's not in korea so it's harder for k-bunnies and even for njz's side to sue him

https://x.com/cato_o_o/status/1890436479232454907?t=eueF26OEgGEILk-gNOhUpQ&s=33

Cato_o_o (@cato_o_o) on X

Calling out wrecker reporters by name and the trash rag they are from will be a common thing now.

As well as reports to Press Arbitration Commission and specific legal action.

At some point due to this, these wrecker reporters and the rags need to lose their press license.

X · Feb 14, 2025, 4:22 PM

Does press have license?

[short laurel]

idk about individual journalist. but for media company depends on locations but there are some licenses involved since it's business.

[errant mango]

also i'm not sharing it for money cuz it got demonetized

[waxen musk]

-bam

[tall dew]

This user has been banned.

[waxen musk]

wtf was that shit

[stable escarp]

that was a rollercoaster thanks for the early morning laugh

[half knot]

you guys remember KMCA statement on NewJeans and ADOR conflict?

this one

Well, here's what KMCA did now. Same KMCA.
https://www.asianjunkie.com/2025/02/13/kmca-opposes-amendment-to-protect-minors-in-entertainment-which-is-a-good-time-to-talk-about-the-kmca/

[cinder narwhal]

clowns

https://x.com/tokkinbloom/status/1890373865580228804

semi | NJZ IS SO BACK (@tokkinbloom) on X

njz after joining hands with banana

X · Feb 14, 2025, 12:13 PM

[stable escarp]

Im surprised how minors can work up to 46hrs in the first place. I wonder what the antis got to say about this

[steel depot]

gosh it's 2025 they're just now going to impose this

[red thorn]

Sub label confirmed
Banana

[half knot]

they don't care "my oppas worked 80 hours a week and walked twice uphill in a blizzard to make it as the only kpop idols who paved the way"

[half knot]

they're actually not, they're opposing it lol

[steel depot]

lol i didn't read the whole thing... so korea industry is getting worst

[cinder narwhal]

devils advocate time.
assuming a safe environment, how different is idol work versus students spending hours at those late night study things or student athletes training. they're all just striving to make their dreams come true.

[stable escarp]

rapid decline from what ive seen. pretty much cockblocking themselves from advancing. de-evolving you could say

[stable escarp]

imo there aint no debate if thats the assumption 😭

[cinder narwhal]

true lol

[jolly junco]

True, its not like the minor idol was forced to become idol. Its their dream, they trained hard to achieves their dream

[steep torrent]

https://x.com/nwjns1st/status/1890413297880461656?s=46
crazy how they're taking over half the money when they did nothing lol

۟ (@nwjns1st) on X

this is insane bc it‘s not bighit that sued for defamation but the idols themselves, yet that fatty benefits the most from the lawsuit bc he claimed copyright on sojang‘s videos WHILE consuming her content to shit on idols & use rumors against them in the internal reports 😭😭😭

X · Feb 14, 2025, 2:50 PM

[short laurel]

Why bighit getting money? They didn't do anything

[waxen musk]

Oh no I just saw the latest megathread on /r/kpop has appeared. Just had a quick look for the first time in a long while and seems to be mostly about Hanni's visa renewal happening because of government connections, just as I predicted.

Do they just completely ignore what the parents' said on IG about the dates involved or just assume it's all lies? I give up lol.

Tbh I do kind of get the position of just assuming "the other side" (for whichever side you're on) lies all the time and to not believe them. It's what we do, I guess. I don't really know how things can change, even after the court's conclusions are made, I think people won't even change their mind at all.

[lucid yarrow]

that why it suck that stupid reddit have that on top to remind all the haters everyday instead just forget move on or wait until all stuff is finish instead being hatefull all day then they go look for more info from more haters/misinfo and spread it

[jolly junco]

Why would you tortured yourself by going there

[waxen musk]

It was just there at the top. I'm stupid lol.

Basically what LemonLore said, except it got me too.

It does still piss me off that I think most Western people who are willing to keep up with K-pop will likely see the perspective on NJZ from reddit first and foremost. I know it to be true from people I've spoke to in the past.

[cerulean lake]

i like how they think that without even realizing that bsh’s dad was in the ministry

[jolly junco]

Is BSH still in USA?

Is he planning to stay there forever?

[waxen musk]

I wonder if he still has credits on the new songs that come out from ILLIT and Le Sserafim. ILLIT just put out a new song. Let me check...
Hmm, surprisingly not.

I only see him credited up until TxT's November release.

Not that Hybe has many big releases since then, I guess.

[cinder narwhal]

https://x.com/iseauseamee/status/1890457243222462965

NJZ Fund (@iseauseamee) on X

What if the girls are working with this director for their new MV? He/she started to post some NJZ stuff from yesterday and Shin Wooseok also followed this Instagram account

X · Feb 14, 2025, 5:45 PM

[waxen musk]

The NJZ stuff is just AI being used to animate static images. I hate that shit it creeps me out.

Not sure why SWS followed them though.

I saw people posting the Haerin one yesteday thinking it was real.

These fairly big Twitter accounts often are the ones to spread these speculative posts about and get people talking and have it end up being nothing. I kind of don't like that.

[jolly junco]

Who is he? Korean MV director?

[cinder narwhal]

I think he's just experimenting with ai, I see actual videos on the older posts

[stable escarp]

AI in an MV. Whats yalls thoughts on it? Me personally i think it should be kept to a minimum like simple stuff or js flat out not used.

[cinder narwhal]

if all parties agree to it and they're transparent about it then no problem

[kindred estuary]

translated unedited article from tenasia yesterday

https://x.com/NJZBUBBLEGUM/status/1890580177970765977

[waxen musk]

I know there are ethical concerns over AI, but tbh, I think even at this point I find that I have an eye to point it out immediately (that many others don't have) and find it distracting and ugly.
XG and aespa use a lot of AI in their MVs, and their MVs are really great overall. So I am mixed on it tbh.
Althogh XG's latest remix album video is 100% AI and I really hate it a lot, just aesthetically.

[stiff prairie]

I have no problem with using AI, I just believe there should be a universal mark indicating it's AI at one of the corners in any AI generated video/photos

[upbeat stream]

The amendment is to limit it to a maximum, not to prohibit minors from working at all. I would argue there should be such laws for every industry. If you're talking about those cram schools, I think they should be banned. China banned them for this very reason and I hope other Asian countries follow

[jolly junco]

https://www.instagram.com/p/DGFAD3uz0U3/?igsh=enRieXF3a280YjNj

is this a good thing? They tagged NJZ official instead of newjeans official

[wind monolith]

shows brands are not confused

[hoary frost]

Yes, because this is Singapore

[stiff prairie]

ayoo minji's post has 257 likes only wtf. do ppl not care about engagements on official posts at all?

[hoary frost]

These kind of pages r kinda nugu

[cinder narwhal]

no one cares about anything aside from the official accounts lol

[stiff prairie]

still the 20 hr old post of jisoo has 9.5k likes. not saying njz is as big as her but we should cross the 1k limit at least imo

ok just saw minji's post is 1 hr old so maybe we'd have a decent number after a while ig

[hoary frost]

Comparison is the thief of joy

[stiff prairie]

hkl spitting fax

[modern fog]

welcome back⁦ theodore roosevelt⁩

[stiff prairie]

i had to google to know it is indeed a quote from theodore roosevelt

[hoary frost]

Yeah

[opaque torrent]

https://x.com/thegreatgaram/status/1890647447669768587

람짱 // ʀᴀᴍᴊᴊᴀɴɢ (@thegreatgaram) on X

IDK about the Youtube lawyer with glasses, but 2 of the 3 lawyers I keep seeing HYBEcels use (and misunderstand) as their sources and advocacy for chattel slavery have acknowledged that the exclusive contract between ADOR and NJZ has been terminated. (https://t.co/upGwSjUBTx)

X · Feb 15, 2025, 6:20 AM

[sage venture]

That's just common sense If a company unilaterally terminated your contract, would you just walk in like you still work there? You’d follow the procedure to fight it if you thought it was illegal Not to mention, NJZ weren’t even employees in the first place They had a contractual partnership with the company

[upbeat stream]

And if you do go to court in such a case, all the court can do is order the company to pay damages, not to reinstate your employment contract

The only civil contract that can't be terminated unilaterally (in some countries) is marriage contract lol

[steep torrent]

*x https://x.com/leggoherewego/status/1890701978004586883?s=46

멍곰🕯️🕯️ (@leggoherewego) on X

오늘도 눈물이나네요
최지예 🩷 이민경 텐아시아 영원하세요

X · Feb 15, 2025, 9:57 AM

[harsh dove]

HTTPException: 408 Request Timeout (error code: 0): Post "https://discord.com/api/v10/channels/1231839760759263232/messages?": context deadline exceeded```

[cinder narwhal]

https://m.entertain.naver.com/article/312/0000700737

[steep torrent]

There needs to be an understanding and respect for the role of the press. One should not expect the media to report only what they personally like. Keep in mind that posting content on the internet that damages a journalist’s social reputation due to unfavorable reports may be punishable under the Information and Communications Network Act.

"can damage a journalist's reputation" when they've been trying to do that to njs man such hypocrits

[cinder narwhal]

omfg haha

their names are in the article anyway??? wut

[red thorn]

Am I reading personal blog

[jolly junco]

Keep in mind that posting content on the internet that damages a journalist’s social reputation due to unfavorable reports may be punishable

but posting articles to damages the girls reputation are not punishable? 😒

how convenient

[sage venture]

It's just proof that the criminal lawsuit hit them real hard

[stiff prairie]

Never a day not pissed off on korean media outlets smh

[short laurel]

i hope tenasia gets in real trouble. cuz wth

the fact that comment section are always open when they spreading rumors against NJ but closed when it's about themselves or hybe again and again. it's disgusting.

[copper jetty]

Lmao at their hypocrisy. What reputation are they talking about? There's none at all? I hope njz parents sue them to hell cause they deserve it for effing up other journalist's reputation, not theirs.

[cerulean lake]

i don’t consider ppl writing such tabloids as journalists. imagine going to school to end up doing this as ur job. might as well be a cyberbully online is that’s what yall wanna do

[short laurel]

making an article like this targeting nj parents makes it not journalism but personal blog.

[jolly junco]

https://tokkimap.com/

guys stop yapping, leave positives message to NJZ

[cinder narwhal]

doesn't work on phone

[red thorn]

Tap the 3 dots on the mobile browser, check the 'Desktop site'

[short laurel]

post it in tokki community twter ?

[mild mist]

as long as someone is moderating the map

you know what twitterers are like
they cannot be trusted

[fierce cloak]

damn someone should tag mhj and njz accounts, they would absolutely love this

[brazen ice]

me and some other fellas have attempted to bypass the automod quite a bit during its development. its pretty well moderated along with the creator themself checking on messages

[short laurel]

Cool. Then it should be fine to share it on twt !

[errant mango]

i'm never posting anything here again

they're censoring me

can't make it more obvious 🙄

[ashen charm]

[wind monolith]

😭 if ur posting stuff what army's and another fandoms r saying about us i can see y they are not letting it through

chill

[gentle badger]

[wind monolith]

no point of posting that stuff if its what i think u posted , this channel was generally for updates on the situations going around not for other fandoms input about us

[errant mango]

the comments was not even about us it was about nwjs but ok

[wind monolith]

was it from another fandom tho

[errant mango]

i just thought someone should called them out since they spread bs without anyone questiong

i can't cuz i got my account banned

[wind monolith]

theres no changing those ppls minds if it was reddit anything u say is just gonna get downvoted to the abyss, we didnt post ppl like aespanjeans or sniper even though they were spreading bs. Its better to not give them attention
This is what i think idk

[cinder narwhal]

just let them have their echo chamber and let's have our safe space

at least it's contained

[errant mango]

i wasn't even trying to change their minds cuz is impossible, they lie to themselves in believing things just to justify their hate. i was just correcting their bullshit they mass spread cuz not even everyone in that sub hates newjeans so if these people just see bad and false bs about them they're gonna naturally believing cuz no one is pointing another narrative. but i know that place is totally hopeless cuz is almost impossible to correct so many people lying like that, i was trying but they banned me for spamn because of it 💀

[cerulean ermine]

this is more exciting when NJZ having new events for the upcoming future

[stiff prairie]

Reddit in itself doesn't represent the whole k-pop community. I think we've all been there at one point trying to change someone's perspective, or correct their blatant lies etc. But sometimes you have to put your own mental wellbeing first. Chances are we are arguing against a paid bot who created their account after mhj saga started, or a company Stan who doesn't have any interest besides hurting njz. And imo neutral people can already see how much of a hivemind kpop uncensored, kpop megathread really is when it comes to anything positive about njz. Ppl that still haven't figured out from all the massive downvotes, constant shitting on the girls without a care will probably never see the hate campaign even if you point it out. Silver lining for me is that even blackpink was/is very much shitted on on those subs and ppl still consider them as the most popular gg. So losing your cool just to go up against pr bots or unfaithful company stans is neither healthy not that much helpful at all imo.

[jolly junco]

i dont care what they said in reddit, doesnt affect how NJZ gonna drop new music and possibly world tour soon

[hoary frost]

Omg

[stiff prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/gunnawritingthatheatlmao-gif-18603548

[hoary frost]

You see, my toxic trait is it improves my well being when I clock antis

[short laurel]

they getting clocked all the time on twt by tokkies. just watch those

[stiff prairie]

Nah man. On reddit if you clock them they come up with something more absurd. I just lose interest even if go argue once in a while

On twitter too. It's like these ppl turn their brain off before going online

[jolly junco]

going to sleep early and ready for monday media play tomorrow

[steep torrent]

newjeans the blueprint

[short laurel]

yesterday i saw a nugu groups ad. it was so newjeans. from style to concept. i not remember the group name. but i initially thought it was NJZ ad when i 1st saw it.

[waxen musk]

You're most likely talking about Starship's (IVE's company) new girl group KiiiKiii. They dropped their MV out of nowhere, NewJeans Attention style, 2 hours ago.

I think it works as a strategy to get people talking. It was worth copying that aspect of the rollout.

[sage venture]

I just watched it, and honestly, people like me who don’t care about K-pop outside of NJZ wouldn’t be interested at all

[stable escarp]

I feel like NewJeans no promotion/random release strategy was a once in a lifetime event/luck (granted the songs deserved it). Groups should not be copying it rather think of something else lol

[waxen musk]

Yeah I mean while I think it works, it also just gets people talking about how it copies certain aspects of NewJeans. It’s dominating the discussion for sure. And it isn’t only them and ILLIT I see it happening with, it happens so much!

[stable escarp]

Just listened to it and I agree. Just not my taste

[sage venture]

Anyone can copy the style and PR, but the beat and how the lyrics sound must be really hard to copy

[waxen musk]

Gosh I wish I was there for NewJeans’ debut. Those initial songs are so powerful in impact.

I think all the groups that remind people of NewJeans have lacked much impact. KiiiKiii’s song is not memorable. Instead I will remember how they copied NewJeans’ release strategy above all else.

[sage venture]

That was a shock I normally don’t take K-pop seriously, but that changed then Still, Cookie’s drum pattern is one of the best I’ve ever heard

[stable escarp]

Thats unfortunate. When attention released it was absolutely mindboggling for me. I was like this is kpop? The no promotion made me search up other reactions that were released so fast because no one knew about the group. It was crazy

[steep torrent]

I think companies forget nj had their 7 year plan from the beginning and knew exactly what they were doing. they did that knowing it could have failed bad but they did it anyway. they made a statement by releasing their music first before anything else. this just feels more like getting people to just talk about their group, thinking thats enough and then yolo the rest

[stable escarp]

Ngl i think the algorithm blessed me. I saw their tiktok they released pre-debut like an hour after uploading and then I saw the Attention MV uploaded while I was searching for BTS content. Recognised the name from their pre-debut tiktok (Hanni's one as she was viet, it stayed in my mind).

[short laurel]

no. the group i m talking about is from a nugu company. not starship.

[sage venture]

Man Attention was something else too More jazz with M7 and sub chords, plus that beat? Crazy

[short laurel]

it was somewhat of hiphop style but vibe was very NJ. i'll c if i get their ad again since IG likes ot put same ads on users face here.

[stable escarp]

The MV having a one minute short film as the start, hooked me in

[steep torrent]

looked back on this server when they surprise released it seemed so fun lol everyone was freaking out

[waxen musk]

I've seen people comparing their pre-debut makeup tests to this new "sharper, bolder" direction they're moving towards. I wouldn't be surprised if what NJZ will debut with is what NewJeans was going to be doing regardless.

[waxen musk]

lol I should. I wasn't even chatting here when Get Up dropped but was lurking and even that was so memorable for me. The comebacks are just what I live for, basically. So fun and exciting.

[steep torrent]

*x https://x.com/newfleurr/status/1891140542538334469?s=46

yeah I also feel like this will be a part of their original plan. if not maybe altered a little

[harsh dove]

@newfleurr <t:1739718015:d>

[stable escarp]

You shouldve seen the youtube comments on release. Funny as with how shameless they were saying they was stalking the channel 😂

[steep torrent]

forgot caption

[sage venture]

honestly, all I care about is the new music 250's music is really good but I wish we got more from frnk

[mild mist]

I like it because it gets people talking about the music

[steep torrent]

I wonder if this new music they release will still be what they said when get up was a taste of their future music.

[sage venture]

It'll still be 250 and frnk Maybe they'll try a new genre, but their style won't change

[frozen bronze]

i pray 250 and frnk are still the main producers they are so good

[waxen musk]

I worry about how people react when they don't get what they want. So far, 250 and FRNK have been there basically all the time (with Frankie Scoca being the main exception), and their MV directors have been in the main rotation the whole time. People have come to expect these things. I have confidence regardless of what changes and what stays the same, because they have literally never disappointed. But you'd have to think at some point in their career they do things that disappoint. If they never do, then that would be weird.

I only bring this up because I already see people fearing a new direction. I’m all for whatever happens, though.

[short laurel]

there are many who were disappointed with getup album.

[sage venture]

That's what I don't get about the K-pop scene People treat every comeback like a new football season For me, an artist's career is about stacking up great songs, so I’m not worried about them at all They’ve already built up a solid catalog Every comeback is just another bonus

[stiff prairie]

i disagree cause comebacks should be the priority for the fans. all these lives, variety show appearances etc etc are just cause we kpop stans are more or less parasocial about them. without music these are all meaningless

oh and concerts are high priority asw

[hoary frost]

Disagreeing with what?

[stiff prairie]

Disagreeing w b milo that every comeback is indeed like a new football season

[cerulean lake]

do y’all think they release what agency they signed with after the injunction

[errant mango]

https://x.com/fl9mee/status/1891235673211801723?t=1jAE2_YE3ehMlO6OpOfAyQ&s=19

fl9me (@fl9mee) on X

this is literally what these hybe journalists and fans look like trying to find a away to speak bs in anything nwjs do

X · Feb 16, 2025, 9:18 PM

hobby: speaking facts 🗣️

[upbeat stream]

Yeah I think they are waiting for injunction ruling, which even that pro-hybe lawyer thinks njz will win

[cerulean lake]

dang when’s the date for the hearing again?

[upbeat stream]

March 7th, expect the ruling by end of March or early April

[short laurel]

Those 2 ladies needs serious mental health checkup cuz wtf?

[sage venture]

I still remember the ETA 'controversy' The supposed hidden meaning with some terrorist thing? lol

[short laurel]

If mhj is involved. Ppl like these find all kinds of bs meaning out 9f everyday things just to label her p* but when bsh n his clones actually do messed up n abuse stuff very clearly n openly, these ppls eyes n ears suddenly shut down.

[sage venture]

yep no shit Did you know someone’s trying to push a narrative about the 'How Sweet' MV being connected to a TLC member’s car accident death? There's no end to it

[jolly junco]

no new monday media play today?

[sage venture]

Probably not today because a young actress passed away by suicide yesterday, possibly due to online bullying, even from cyber wreckers

[short laurel]

Yet nothing is done against cyber wreckers

[jolly junco]

again?

south korea gov need to do something about their public figure getting suicide every year

[cinder narwhal]

https://x.com/JasmeenAlana/status/1891168782774575222

Jasjnz♡ (@JasmeenAlana) on X

Best seller in Korea rn.

X · Feb 16, 2025, 4:52 PM

what does nachos mean in this context? I've seen other tweets use it too

ik copying bla bla but why nachos

[half knot]

it's some new viral phrasing that came up during the grammys this year

reheating nachos = reusing your own or somebody else's concept from the past = being unoriginal and uninspired

social media lingo is obsessed with food and eating and analogs to those after all lol

[steep torrent]

https://www.dexerto.com/tiktok/tiktoks-viral-reheating-nachos-meme-explained-3060679/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

[cerulean lake]

yeah all bc of that stupid sniper acc

[cerulean lake]

well we don’t know fs if it was suicide but I wouldn’t be too surprised if it was based on how she was criticized like crazy. ik she did some mistakes in the past but she was so young and i was hoping to see her grow out of it especially bc i watched that famous drama and she was so young in it 😔😔. can’t watch it the same way anymore 🥲

[jolly junco]

So does that mean there is a group who is reheating NJZ nachos now? Who? New gg?

[half knot]

nearly all new debuts and many new comebacks since 2023 have been some adjacent rehashing of the trends newjeans brought to or brought back to kpop

boy groups and girl groups alike.

[cinder narwhal]

tbh this topic outside illit is toxic just fanwar bait

[jolly junco]

Oh well you cant really gatekeeping a concept, so i guess thats unavoidable

[half knot]

of course, it's just how any industry works, some set trends, others follow, as that is where the money is.
doesn't make it any less objectively true. people were not going to this direction conceptually before newjeans debut

[jolly junco]

Its human nature to follow the trend

[cinder narwhal]

also precisely why njz is changing concepts

[jolly junco]

Lol yeah this is funny, while other groups following their “concept” NJZ be like: “byee we are going for a new concept, keep following us 🤭”

[half knot]

it's never good for creativity or diversity in an arts-based industry like kpop to be all going in the same direction

but it is true that conceptually, visually, and musically, the entirety of kpop aside from some already established sounds decided collectively to go towards the relaxed, chill, background music easy listening concepts with elements of 90's and 2000's 'retro' mixed in

so now unironically I expect girl crush and strong sounds to come back as "counterculture" to this new trend

I see a lot more rock and rock inspired sound and visuals coming out this year too

[stiff prairie]

nah i don't see it tbh. i'm not that knowledgable in kpop but has rock ever been a thing in kpop? for me it seems like the demographic that'd enjoy rock is entirely diff to the one that enjoys "typical" kpop and whatever it brings to the table like intense fan interactions, collecting merch etc

[short laurel]

Cute rock or soft rock has always been a thing in kpop. Just not the hard rank.

[stiff prairie]

ok maybe i could be wrong cause newjeans successfully pulled off a new jack swing because of the fact that the music might not be typical kpop but the branding around it is kpop to the core so others can do smth like that asw ig

[stiff prairie]

i see. suggest me some in kpop chat pls

[short laurel]

I don't listen to kpop as much so i not have many names of the songs in my mind.

[stiff prairie]

oh ok i might do some digging later. i'm trying to diversify my kpop interest as to get less parasocial with njz for my own good. it's kinda hard tho because with njz i feel like i've experienced the peak of kpop already and nothing really hits me as much as they did sadly. the music might be good but it's hard to bring myself to stan other groups members like i do with njz. people underrate the chemistry/bonding/interactions between the members fr

[short laurel]

Kpop is overall idol industry now. If u are interested in just music or just korean music i suggest u look up kmusic artists. Alot of small n big singers who self produce music. Nothing like big agency who manufacture music n groups.

[jolly junco]

f(x) once turned their song into rock type for their concert and its so fcking good

i dont know about other groups since i dont listen to kpop group that much

[stiff prairie]

link pls or what do i search with

[jolly junco]

well not the whole song, they just put a twist during the end of the song

but my point is, the kpop song can turn into rock and its still good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcrHn9ffrQA

start at 2:50

[sage venture]

Same here Because of NJZ, I kinda started listening to Korean music again, but other than NJZ, nothing really interests me Maybe because of all the weird rap? But there're great korean indie rock bands worth digging into

[jolly junco]

yeah so far i only like NJZ music, but i loveee korean soloist singer

like heize, taeyeon, bibi, zico jessi etc etc etc

my playlist full with korean soloist singer

[sage venture]

yep ziont and dean are great for me

If you like shoegaze music 'parannoul' is great indie band too

[jolly junco]

https://open.spotify.com/track/5xX7oEKHN0H9VOjezo2ZaA?si=4a48299902384100

idk if this categorized as indie band, but i love this song

[steep torrent]

love parannoul

[jolly junco]

https://open.spotify.com/track/0wr9vDWmLA4upp8YtsA5ab?si=7e59b219748b4a23

also this one

[steep torrent]

se so neon is one of my favs too

[sage venture]

yeah Heyin also said she likes '우효'

[stiff prairie]

listened to the whole thing. always love a good drum and guitar involvement thanks

[jolly junco]

lowk praying for NJZ to release a song like this

[stiff prairie]

korean ?

[sage venture]

yep this is my favourite album
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bGkGwbqQS4

[short laurel]

People always c just idol industry when it comes to kmusic. Nice to c people who look at music outside idols

[stiff prairie]

the instrumentals on supernatural winter ver had me weak. but ik it's never going to be in official songs maybe stage covers

[sage venture]

I guess that's why we love NJZ's music It’s not just idol music, it goes beyond that

[short laurel]

Yup.

[stiff prairie]

1 min into the vid and i'm sold

[red thorn]

Lowkey want Miso collabing with Njz

Oke i lied
High key

[steep torrent]

theres these songs I group up that I really like that I wish newjeans would do something similar

they're like really soft songs but i dont think they'd ever do it

https://open.spotify.com/track/1AOTFHFtluLFWL5WreWLZd?si=IWuULjG0TgCZvlJgD59LEQ

[sage venture]

That's exactly Heyin's vibe

[steep torrent]

https://open.spotify.com/track/1wG1Nc8GN6O0D4TUePxzbD?si=DUW5bG1pQAutTs7zBcGSrg

idek what genre this is called

[steep torrent]

they'd pull it off so well man, thats why hurt is my favorite song

[sage venture]

That one sounds like Bossa Nova

[steep torrent]

hyein loves bossa nova and im praying one day they release a song in that genre

[sage venture]

just boils my blood that HYBE tried to mess up the entire 7 year plan MHJ had already set up

[stiff prairie]

i really look forward to hyein's solo music career some day. i just know it's going to be epic

[stiff prairie]

one man's ego in the way of guaranteed profit for the company and guaranteed quality work from artists smh

[cinder narwhal]

some popular rock based songs from the past year: fate by idle, anything by qwer, day6 (maybe they're not idols)

[half knot]

there's a lot of rock-based kpop songs, but also instrumentation in general being inspired by rock is as old as first and 2nd gen kpop due to the jpop influence

[orchid field]

punk pop

[half knot]

nearly all of yena's title tracks since going solo as well as several of her b-sides are all rock based and jrock/jpop with rock instrumentation inspired

[cinder narwhal]

just saying you don't have to dig deep to find them, they're in the mainstream

[half knot]

QWER was ranking pretty high on domestic charts too

and it doesn't have to be that only popular kpop songs count, there are plenty of non-charting ones too

[stiff prairie]

day6 are not normal idols? like i heard that qwer is basically a band but day6 is like that too?

[cinder narwhal]

yeah i think. i dont follow either but I don't think they do choreos and stuff. they play instruments

[stiff prairie]

gotta check them out then. i found you were beautiful in a random slowcore playlist and to my surprise the girls were singing a line from that song in one of their videos

[tardy smelt]

hold on now, you just put me onto something

[stiff prairie]

same lol. really good stuff. i need @steep torrent 's playlist as well

[tardy smelt]

i'm gonna have to dive into shoegaze and make a playlist, i love discovering music

[stiff prairie]

spotify ruined me in a sense that i find awesome new songs in playlist recommendations but i don't really know what band i'm listening to or even song names. they just go on my background while i do my shit. i started shoegaze last year but i couldn't tell you one single song or band name

[tardy smelt]

okay nvm, maybe i'll take back making a playlist because i'm on the third song of that album and i feel overwhelmed by noise now i'll enjoy it in lil bites

[steep torrent]

https://open.spotify.com/playlist/0frD47cfMWvE4znSHgvdGl?si=Q4tidp2vQXyuHkq1Le_aAw

only recently made this playlist a couple months ago. a mix of korean stuff but i'd just categorize it as songs to listen to on a late night drive

[steep torrent]

I remember when my friend introduced me to shoegaze mann, one of my fav genres

[stiff prairie]

Shoegaze for me is basically background music like I don't listen to it intensely w a lot of focus. It just plays in the background and I vibe with it while doing other things, I don't even care about lyrics on these

[stiff prairie]

Thanks. As long as I find other songs like the two you sent above I'm happy

[tardy smelt]

yeah i get the vibe

[stiff prairie]

Also for vibes and not primary listen I suggest post rock genre, like most of them don't even have lyrics and mainly used as like those ost for movies that fill in the blanks between dialogues and stuff

[steep torrent]

yeah like mbv be singing lyrics but u can hardly understand them lol, songs are good tho

[jolly junco]

but looking at the "style concept" NJZ released i dont think they will to far from the "kpop music" for now

[hoary frost]

Kiikii looks inspired by njz

I think m js delusional

[stiff prairie]

I think it's a me problem more so than genre problem, unless I look at mv or have the lyrics grained into me from intense listening idc about lyrics of anything these days. Feels dad really. There was a time I used to get albums from friends and listen to the songs one by one religiously then go on to Wikipedia to know about the artists and stuff. Sigh*

[stiff prairie]

With njz it's so different from anything else for me. I just want them to release something idc what genre what branding I'll just eat it up

[stiff prairie]

Kiikii do you love me
?

[jolly junco]

same atp i might become like that too, they already got me hooked on them

[stiff prairie]

Same. That's why I'm looking into becoming less obsessed with them according to ditto lesson. Ditto made me a stan and now I gotta take it's lesson into not being a stan.

I don't mean in a bad way but I realized my happiness is too much dependant on the girls' happiness which for a short time is fine I think but in long term it might be unhealthy for me

But cheering them on from the sidelines or fighting for them online occasionally etc will always be there, just less emotional attachment or parasocial side that comes w it

I just need them to win these lawsuits now 😭

[jolly junco]

i understand what you mean, its like whenever i saw danielle live its weird that her smile makes me feel sooooooooooo damn happy. Like its contagious

[sage venture]

I was also just a casual fan enjoying their music, but HYBE turned me into a core fan
I know Ditto MV's meaning, but at least the girls are free from that shithole I got no choice

[stiff prairie]

I mean it's easier said than done. They are the only ones to get me hooked like this and I tried a bit here and there and no other groups got me attached like they did so I take it as njz girls being special above other things. I just plan on making this attachment to get to minimal level instead of the way it is now

[jolly junco]

even during their emergency PC, that thing should make me scared or anything but danielle kept smiling throughout the whole conference, it cleanse all my doubt and makes me very calm watching the whole video

[stiff prairie]

Each of their personalities are so likable it's a problem. I instantly felt like haerin is my spirit animal on day 1 for her weird qwerky behaviors, or as time went on Dani's sunshine personality or minji's tsundere caring personality, hanni being a goofball but also caring for others or Hyein being a adorable joker etc. it's hard not to love them w everything but still they're celebrities with their own lives and we are here to consume whatever form of entertainment they give us that's all

[short laurel]

kpop is not viewed well by people world wide but njz girls attracted all these people and loved their music. this shows how above the rest nj and og ador are in kpop. so many people have no interest in kpop but followed for nj.

this is what i call actually paving the way. no excessive marketing to spread. just pure good work.

[upbeat stream]

I seriously will never stan a group after this. Not just because most of the new stuff isn't too interesting but the way this industry behaves, I have no interest in supporting it. NJZ is not my first group, but definitely my last

[stiff prairie]

I'll be proud to say newjeans was my first group to Stan and njz will be the last one lol

[jolly junco]

hahah i was only ever to stan f(x) and then newjeans, nothing in between thats why i was so lost with the idol/group name sometimes

but of course i know some idols who are very very famous like karina or wonyoung

[steep torrent]

back in the peak of all this last year, everytime I would see this chat be updated my heart would start beating so fast man, it actually messed with me so bad 😭

[sage venture]

yep there's a lot of great music outside the Kpop scene Just happens the girls are the best total package at least for me

[stiff prairie]

I kinda wanna look into the whole project of f(x) but I'm afraid it'll take too much investment. If njz starts going back to the time like before it's hard to keep up with them only, let alone other old groups with huge content themselves

[jolly junco]

you'll cry if you dive into f(x) from the start, because something happened to them. Maybe thats why i never stan any group after them because of the trauma until i met newjeans

[stiff prairie]

Same. One of the reasons I started frequenting discord is because it's way more chill here. It helped in not worrying about them all the time besides during those update posts

[stiff prairie]

Bro I'm good then. Njz trauma is already enough for me 🙂

[hoary frost]

No

[cinder narwhal]

😭 ||https://fixupx.com/fimmiesslay/status/1891232965117587522||

[jolly junco]

🤣🤣🤣

[short laurel]

the last one. that's army.

always in everyone business.

[steep torrent]

do you guys think any other groups in njs position would still be fighting? idk I feel like a lot would have given up a long time ago

[stiff prairie]

I think if sb started it they'd see to the end but I don't think many would go against a big company like hybe to begin with

[jolly junco]

NJZ can fight back just because they have a good support system, if they didnt have a good support system (NJ Team, their parents, the fandom) i dont think even newjeans can survived this

[stiff prairie]

I kinda felt worried when they said the fans encouraged them to take on this challenge onto themselves during the first live or presscon

Like yeah fighting haters online is good and all but it's not that useful tbh. Main strength is of course team bunnies for their excellent works

I just pray and hope they have enough evidences stacked to win this thing and win the public opinion fully as well when they release those during trials

[jolly junco]

what team bunnies did was unheard of in the kpop world

they are really amazing

[stiff prairie]

tru tru. It's like having a legit operational wing in our hands that actually contributes in a significant meaningful way

[orchid field]

nope i'm pretty sure most idols wont have the money and widespread public support
brutal truth 😦

[tired cairn]

if they did the relevant kpop idols would've spoken out to confirm Hanni's statements
but they're unfortunately rightly afraid to not do so

[steep torrent]

starship so shameless

the way tokkis are acting rn is very reminiscent of when this first started last year in like march.. gaslighting other tokkis and refusing to see the similarities

https://x.com/newfleurr/status/1891533963551785145?s=46

ata (@newfleurr) on X

this is what i want, for them to be trendsetters and GET THE CREDIT THEY DESERVE. but kpop stans don’t even want to credit them, and now they’re stuck in a feud because the group that stole from them refused to admit it, only to admitted it months later

X · Feb 17, 2025, 5:03 PM

[short laurel]

Let them copy. They can copy all they want but it'll nvr be the same. Even copying needs a creative mind to execute it well.

[steep torrent]

even their fans are denying it but didnt they even say they were inspired by nj themselves too? theres that at least I guess

starship previously being shady towards mj and doing this just leaves a bad taste in my mouth idk. nothing anyone can really do tho

[orchid field]

if the girls are gonna change concepts, i wouldn't spend time dwelling on copycats anymore it's just teens bickering pointlessly on the internet

[waxen musk]

Some things are smart to copy, but when you go too far, it's all anyone can see.
People shouldn't care too much, it's not like they're trying to replace anyone.

I personally am still waiting to be blown away by a new group debut since NewJeans. Even going back to other groups' debuts (I was watching a bunch of random MVs last night), debuts used to be really strong in comparison to these days.
I wasn't around for any debuts until after March 2023 so I'm only saying this looking back before I got into K-pop.

[boreal swallow]

Dyk what interview this vid is from

[waxen musk]

Yeah the CNN interview from 7th Feb.

Or CNBC, not sure.

[steep torrent]

there was that article saying they wanted to replace nj but im assuming that was hybe mediaplay lol.

[steep torrent]

https://www.cnbc.com/video/2025/02/07/njz-formerly-newjeans-share-their-plans-for-the-future.html

[stable escarp]

everytime i see that clip i burst out laughing. i just cant

[boreal swallow]

Thank you sm

I wasn’t aware there was a longer video apart from the short video of them introducing themselves as njz lol

[waxen musk]

There was CNN, CNBC, one or two Japanese interviews (the longest videos of the lot) and their live stream on 7 Feb. Think that's it so far.

[boreal swallow]

Oh I’ll look into those as well thank you

[heady gate]

https://x.com/juantokki/status/1888029777145249941

1tokki (@juantokki) on X

250207 【Exclusive】 NewJeans Announces “New Group Name”

First-ever Japanese Interview with #NJZ (Full Version)

🐱Haerin:

“We announced the name ‘NJZ’ today, and it embodies the essence of each of us—Minji, Hanni, Hyein, Danielle, and myself. It also symbolizes our nature of

X · Feb 8, 2025, 12:59 AM

[cinder narwhal]

tokkis try not to be toxic challenge failed

[cinder narwhal]

this sounds just like tiny 7s crying about pAviNg tHe waY

[lucid yarrow]

we need wait out the storm when all court shit get resolve poking every fandom/start fanwars is dumb but i guess there just tons kids/irritate tokkis

[quartz creek]

will NJZ from now on post on a different youtube channel or the same account?

For music videos and stuff

[wind monolith]

Definitely different

[tired ingot]

newjeans belongs to ador, of course different
they will create new account

[short laurel]

Lets hope this drama be over ve4 2032 meteor

[short laurel]

tokki world map. since girls have seen it i opened it up to c how many people posted and some people might have gotten doxed. :x

[lucid yarrow]

lol u say this when i login to it should i even use it now

[stiff prairie]

doxed? how come?

[short laurel]

now i know where some people are from >:D

[stiff prairie]

ppl of this discord?

[short laurel]

that's all the doxing. pls use different names.

[stiff prairie]

nahh knowing the whole country isn't really a problem.

[short laurel]

no msg in china. i m sure there alot of tokkies there. did we not share link with ctokkies ?

[stiff prairie]

the great firewall probably

[short laurel]

ooh yea. their msges probably under other countries.

[stiff prairie]

yep. would be nice if the firewall allowed tokkimap. idk how those works

[short laurel]

it's not the website but the login. google twter and discord blocked in china.

maybe if it has weibo for login it could work?

[stiff prairie]

ohh that makes sense

[stiff prairie]

who knows. does weibo offer login api? zones can figure it out later ig

[short laurel]

yea idk. it's up to dev to figure it out if they are willing to. there's qq and wechat too and many others.

[copper jetty]

i just visited the tokki map, I don't think chinese bunnies can post on a different location cause it literally says that your current location should match the location your posting it on and that if it does not, the message will be rejected upon review.

honestly, the website is cool, aside from the map there's a link to an NJZ archive. I've been looking for one since before, glad i found this.

[short laurel]

but like if i use vpn to japan and post it on japan while i live in china.(i not live in china)

[errant mango]

is that true? https://x.com/fl9mee/status/1891926936399528420?t=rXIdbDNvGTSII2VYIa2zvQ&s=19

fl9me (@fl9mee) on X

I need you to be aware. Today, 18th is MHJ final court hearing for he injunction. If she loses, she will do EVERYTHING in her power and connections to destroy Namjoom's comeback, uphold nj comeback and compare, as her LAST chance before shareholder voting. She will be DESESPERATE

X · Feb 18, 2025, 7:05 PM

[short laurel]

nope. she's not that petty. if she does this how will she be any different from hybe then

she copied pasted a lil 7 comment but still this is a bad post that'll only bring hate on MHJ.

not a good tokki account 😠

[errant mango]

i agree people should call her out 😒

[copper jetty]

It's a tokki account?

[short laurel]

yea it's tokki account. they made this post as "meme"

[gentle badger]

Bro isn't that your account?

[short laurel]

wth

[errant mango]

no who said that

[short laurel]

your discord name says it.

[gentle badger]

And bio haha

[errant mango]

• hanni basket

[short laurel]

idk what u thinking but that post can cause misunderstanding. not a good joke imo.

[errant mango]

i'm only making fun of armys

[short laurel]

ik

[copper jetty]

Didn't even know mhj has court case today? Did she?

[short laurel]

no it's from last time. army made this comment in may last year. post is copy paste of that

[copper jetty]

Oh ok... lmao.

Also hybe timing the comback of their artists to their competitors is pretty well known
Idk if any other company does it other than them

[short laurel]

everyone does it. it's pretty common in every industry. but hybe is more aggressive about it

look at amd and nvidia gpu release date. amd had to postpond cu of nvidia 😂

[short laurel]

though it is weird to match release of album of their own artists on same day even if they hate one group. even SM put a day or 2 in between all their artists when they do november and december releases.

[copper jetty]

I thought only hybe did it. I didn't know it's pretty much everyone that does it.

[short laurel]

common practice against competition in every field around the world.

[cinder narwhal]

https://x.com/pannchoa/status/1891948894767976652

pannchoa (@pannchoa) on X

Will KiiiKiii's viral marketing piting them against NJZ age badly?
https://t.co/eQ6MEfP6X8

X · Feb 18, 2025, 8:32 PM

translations in the link, but full OP here https://m.entertain.naver.com/article/052/0002154845

starship media play

[short laurel]

Starship bg copied exo last year plain copy pasta but due to nj n hybe going on no one noticed. That's how these companies are unfortunately

[half knot]

I do find it funny that IVE has enpowered Starship to think they are a star making machine, especially given their post-Kakao acquisition history (2013 onwards) aside from IVE

[short laurel]

That's similar to how bsh thinks he is star maker after succeeding with bts.

[cerulean lake]

I feel like tokkis can sometimes be overreacting to cases like this but i dislike how others can’t accept the HARD TRUTH that nwjns clearly did influence 5th gen.

Like it’s literally so obvious with how kpop started shifting towards like that more “friend-group”, free type of vibes after their debut and especially after ditto. Also, I think people forget that they did more than just y2k especially with the fairy core they were going with in ASAP.

People be saying that groups in the past already did concepts like nwjns but it’s clear that it wasn’t as influential until they realized how much success it gave nwjns.

It’s like how girl crush became so popular after Blackpink and the cute concept was continuing to go strong after TWICE.

[short laurel]

Nj did different concept everytime but people only c y2k. Cuz they didn't try to understand what they created.
People think like y2k is just 1 concept when there's sooo many different concepts during that time.

[cinder narwhal]

get up was a gift from the concept gods

I love that album

powerpuff girls, cheerleaders waacking, that fucking car horn with the iPhone mv, Greek angels with Tony Leung, and literal faeries in the meadow... all in one album 🧑‍🍳

[glossy siren]

Overreacting is an understatement. I went to check Kiiikiii's website instead of just looking at a few pics on X. Seriously, there can be inspiration for the website formula (not new in the music industry), but it’s literally a farm concept. I’m astonished by how a rightful fight like the one against Belift—a clear in-house case with docs handed to another team—is becoming the door for random copying allegations. This will poison the industry. Artistic inspiration over successful tactics should not be villainized.

And more, this isn't a supremacy game. Saying NJZ are the blueprint in every comment section gives me certain huge fandom flashbacks. Horror flashbacks.
Is that the destiny of all the fandoms of the leading groups in the industry?

(I'm not talking about the articles, that kind of viral marketing is childish, but I'm in for art and music, so it weigh like air for me)

[cerulean lake]

Yeah I don’t agree with going after every group because it’s inevitable that companies will eventually hop on the trend that is proven as successful. But I can see why this can become a problem as it harms Nwjns themselves and also the other groups because the fandoms will just go after them. Look at how blinks reacted when other groups did girl crush before 😭.

But I think tokkis especially have a problem with this because they’re under Starship and employees from Starship have been exposed for commenting bad things about them before. Plus they’re like marketing their group as people who will replaced Nwjns since they’re in a legal battle right now. Imo, that’s not really cool to do.

Some of them are taking out their anger with Starship on the group unfortunately.

[glossy siren]

It's not cool...so? People online are playing their game. It's viral marketing. The more they talk the more people tune in to see

It's not that deep, people lately treat articles like god's speech.

Is it defamation? No, a company is debuting a group and aiming to compete with the top "gamers," with a questionable statement. Does it really need outrage? Just skip it

[sage venture]

That's just how the K-pop scene works Companies always take the safest route, chasing after whatever is new and flashy The only difference is that some copy things blatantly, while others do it more subtly They’re probably making songs with certain references too, so there’s no need to be angry about it - avoiding those formulas was the key to NJZ’s success

[glossy siren]

Some formulas are good for inspiration; I’d like to see more themed websites that enhance comeback concepts.

[midnight yarrow]

I think people are free to react how they want. If it's not a big deal to you personally, skip it. But I'm not in the business of trying to police an entire fandom that's justifiably annoyed with NJZ being used as a marketing tool for other groups so blatantly

[glossy siren]

I just fear that this creative terrorism will poison the industry more than a few natural styled groups

[midnight yarrow]

It's out of anyone's control. K-Pop has been about chasing trends since its birth. That's Korean pop culture in a nutshell honestly. I just look at groups clearly drawing inspiration from NJZ as the ultimate evidence of their impact on the industry.

[glossy siren]

So?

Who is denying that njz are trendsetters?

[midnight yarrow]

The industry didn't collapse when everyone SNSD. It didn't collapse when everyone imitated BP and debuted girl crush groups. It won't collapse from everyone trying to create their groups based on the NJZ formula

[glossy siren]

But going under every group saying their blueprint sounds a lot like somebody we know " my faves paved the way"...so?

It also undervalue the creators behind those projects

Maybe I see this more internally cause I am a creator myself

[midnight yarrow]

I don't really care and I don't think those people are obligated to either. If you're going to blatantly borrow from the NJZ formula, you get to deal with the burden of being compared to the original

[glossy siren]

How old are you?

[midnight yarrow]

That's an irrelevant question. This is also just how life works. Borrow heavily from a predecessor, let alone a PEER, and the comparisons are inevitable.

It's also one thing to have concepts inspired by an industry leader like NJZ, but you can't complain that people have an emotional or negative reaction when their name is literally used in media play in the context that they're no longer active and another group will take their place. That article deserves the heat it's getting

[glossy siren]

Sure, enjoy kpop 👋

[midnight yarrow]

I have for over two decades, so I don't think I'll have a problem with that

Moral of the story is if you don't want any heat from your media play, maybe don't name drop the group you're drawing inspiration from as many times or even more than your own group's name

[glossy siren]

The point wasn't the article

[midnight yarrow]

Most of the noise over the new girl groups has been from other fandoms trying too hard to set up Bunnies and accuse them of being toxic. It's such a transparent strategy

[sage venture]

it's the same old story, but competition is getting tougher, so media play is getting out of hand

[midnight yarrow]

They can media play all they want. The charts and album sales will set the record straight once the debuts happen. Especially if they think they can achieve what NJ did (something we'll probably never see again)

[cinder narwhal]

I lost the plot I thought you two were on the same side but apparently not? lol

[midnight yarrow]

To clarify, I don't think any of the new groups borrowing heavily from NJZ is a big deal. It's flattery. It's proof NJZ are the leaders and most influential group of this era...but I do dislike that trash article that name dropped them half a dozen times and said another group will replace them. It was basically a shit post and I don't blame Bunnies for going aggro

[glossy siren]

It’s definitely a personal thing. I use that "heat" for deeper issues, like the MHJ and NJZ defamation campaigns, while you prefer a broader scope. Personally, I don’t fill my K-pop experience with negativity where it’s avoidable. I prefer to focus on what I enjoy and what makes me feel good, I save my negativity battery for serious battles. Ps. Our fandom aint a cult. I am a bunny

The discussion I opened was about art inspo, not the article

[midnight yarrow]

Did anyone say it was a cult? I literally said I'm not in the business of trying to police an entire fandom from the beginning. We're not a monolith. There is room for nuance

For how the past year has gone, and all the toxic bs both NJZ and Bunnies have had to deal with, I've been very impressed with how Bunnies have responded as a whole and the actions we've taken to legitimately support the girls and show them we have their back no matter what

Tokkimap being a recent example of the many positives that have come out of a very challenging time for anyone who wants to see the girls thrive and be happy. I'm done yapping about this. I'm returning to lurking and waiting for the next big reveal from NJZ, after we all got baited yesterday

[cinder narwhal]

damn bait 😭 it was just hanni saying have a good day tomorrow

[midnight yarrow]

I ate so much crow on AKP hyping that up

[red thorn]

True this
Just gonna give specific perfect case of inspiration, it's when the creator create their art that inspired from other medium or whole different thing
As for this current kpop industry work, the creation as close as to reference specific stuff/concept that already trend existed or established by others, the result... close to mere imitation
They sought the familiarity, I'm afraid that it's getting close to gacha games industry methods

[cerulean lake]

Yeah the whole point might not be about the article itself but I’m saying that it’s probably one of the reasons why tokkis were more aggressive. I mean we saw other groups have somewhat similar concepts and tokkis didn’t necessarily attack them as much because their companies weren’t trying to advertise them as groups who were gonna take over nwjn’s position while they’re in legal battles, which is already a sensitive point for tokkis.

Also, the original point of all these arguments regarding other groups’ concept is in my opinion, also affecting the industry itself. Literally MHJ said herself that if groups continue to push out similar stuff, it’s gonna harm all groups involved and the industry literally stays stagnant until another trend pops up.

[sage venture]

It's getting in that direction New groups are coming out with shorter cycles, and the market is becoming saturated with more groups At some point, people will find it dull, but well, I only care about NJZ, so nothing matters to me Personally, I kinda hope NJZ would shed the 'K-pop' label and start a new chapter in their career

[stiff prairie]

I haven't been on twitter last few days. Did kiikii debut really rile up bunnies that much? And how is the reception of the new song like anywhere near attention? I wasn't here for newjeans debut so I can't compare anyways

[short laurel]

Kpop never respected art. Companies like hybe n sm goes through copyright lawsuit by artists world wide all the time cuz these companies copy without giving credit to their inspiration.

[cinder narwhal]

only the toxic bunnies

[short laurel]

all decently big kpop companies have history of copying. N that's what mhj wanted to change with nj

[cinder narwhal]

the fans are noisier than the actual creatives being copied 😂😂

[short laurel]

Fandoms always like this. Honestly no one cares about what fandoms screwm unless their words made it go media.

Kpop is not respected worldwide n even in korea anyways party thx to sll this

[cinder narwhal]

they don't realize they sound exactly like army does with their "paved the way" rhetoric

[short laurel]

Army wasn't the 1st with paved the way thing. Their are just the most extreme one cuz they are in everyone else business. If hybe vs mhj never happened they'd be the one attacking kiikii for using nj for inspiration.

[stiff prairie]

bro did we create a hashtag?

[cinder narwhal]

god i hope not

[stiff prairie]

ok from what i understand if we had continuation of music and promos etc bunnies wouldn't care this much. it's the lack of activities and other companies trying to exploit this gap is what causing bunnies to go rogue

[cinder narwhal]

naw even if nj is active toxic will always be toxic

[short laurel]

Honestly i have yet to c any bunnies attacking kiikii or starship.

[stiff prairie]

and fans are just fans. bts fandom can be as nasty as it gets but they're still the top name in kpop. sure it gives us the fans a bad look but nobody associates artists directly with fan's behavior from what i've seen in my short time being a stan.

[short laurel]

Alot of people do unfortunately

[stiff prairie]

i mean like we think that because of bts not checking back on their fandom's activity they are getting out of hand or the artists are complacent but how many ppl do actually see it that way i wonder. we do it because we're in active war against them others are not

[short laurel]

Even i m starting to do in case of bts for nvr speaking against armys bs cuz they are just extreme in their hate now.
While we have hanni who shut up bunnies whenever they try to make something weird. 😂

[cinder narwhal]

my point is bunnies should learn to stay in their lane and not be overly aggressive. if it comes to the level of what happened with illit (where the creatives themselves spoke up) then sure but anything else is fair game. as someone mentioned earlier, bunnies should be happy so many groups are inspired (copied or otherwise) by newjeans.

Just let it run its course, and if a group's music is really good then that's a good thing for kpop

[short laurel]

Fandoms will nvr stop unfortunately. Best we can do is report them n ignore. That's just how kpop Fandoms are.

[stiff prairie]

how do you control a whole fandom with lots of ppl having diff opinions. like we are a few in this server and even we disagree on things. one thing is we shouldn't fight every group out there cause we are very small compared to any group that comes from big companies that have stans from other groups of that company. but again there has be a minimal pushback so ppl know we exist and other companies can't just push out any narrative they want.

been busy a bit so haven't seen yet what bunnies wrote about it. but i think wording is vital here. if it's smth along the line that tells them to acknowledge that njz is the inspiration i'd be ok but if it's like straight up stop copying njz you'll never be good as them etc then it's crossing the line imo

[short laurel]

In pannchao link from yesterday posted here koreans were demanding acknowledgement from starshit.

[stiff prairie]

i'd be cool with that. they're not saying hey don't copy nj debut process etc just acknowledge the inspiration. jut acknowledging it will not cause any harm to any new groups will it now

[short laurel]

Even be4 kiikii debut bunnies were happy when they realised kiikii were using nj concept for inspiration. Hybe stans were trying to instigate fight though.
Hybe stans succeeded in it after kiikii debuted going by the topic here

But starship is shit 1st they copied exo, now nj.

[stiff prairie]

why is it so hard for them to acknowledge tho. just say we liked this and this and so we tried to take inspiration and do it in our own way etc and nobody bats an eye

[cerulean lake]

See, i like how groups are inspired by them but somehow other stans can’t understand their influence

Plus, in my opinion, the kpop industry just hoping onto whatever’s popular is actually not that great for the industry because the whole concept is just being perpetuated over and over again, which makes fans tired of one concept and then once the industry moves on, they rarely go back to that anymore. For example, we honestly rarely see girl crush these days except maybe for like Babymonster in their earlier days. This just then keeps the industry stagnant where one concept is trending at one time and people can’t enjoy many different concepts altogether at once.

Plus, it’s even harder for ggs in general because their fans are so fickle in comparison to bgs. Having such a saturated market with other groups coming out with another concept that made one stand out can cause attention to shift and it can cause the original group to lose momentum, which is not something you want to see especially with how hard it can be to succeed in kpop.

[jolly junco]

woah you guys yap so much, what did i miss?? did something happen today???

[cerulean lake]

nahh just providing opinions abt the kpop industry

[jolly junco]

ah okay i thought there was something new

[stiff prairie]

think the pannchoa article is new. i haven't seen it myself tho

[jolly junco]

??? what is it about?

[stiff prairie]

#1231839760759263232 message

[jolly junco]

sigh

[stiff prairie]

i'll go on to twitter later to maybe see how bunnies are actually reacting. imo these things will keep happening in the future too so best to not acknowledge they exist if they don't acknowledge who their inspirations are

[jolly junco]

ok next

[cinder narwhal]

of the nj inspired groups who has come the nearest to nj success (no snark intended just curious )

[jolly junco]

i can understand for multi stan if they trying to put their nose in everyone business, but i'm only stanning NJZ so i dont really care about these things

not even interested to check out current famous groups like aespa twice ive etc etc let alone a new group that just debut

[short laurel]

Part of the reason industry is not respected worldwide. Goal is pure money. Not art.

[cinder narwhal]

... it's pop music lol

it's not that deep

[short laurel]

Have a balance. Not just stick to kpop but listen to k music to c what kind of music koreans like. Ull c how different 2 are n enjoy lot more.
Kpop is not pop but idol manufacturing industry. It's different from other countries pop

[stiff prairie]

same. but some fans feel the need to protect njz from anything and everything like this could be interpreted as a threat to their popularity no matter how miniscule it is. but personally idgaf cause even if another group become famous doing what njz did won't make njz not as famous so idk
and i'm trying really hard to get into qwer but it's not as easy as i thought would be. i'm way too deep in loving njz only for my own good it looks like

[jolly junco]

why are u trying REALLY hard to get into qwer?? whats wrong?

[cerulean lake]

yea it might be just music but it honestly applies to any other industry with creatives

[cerulean lake]

cake should get into twice

[cerulean lake]

oh yeah def i started listening to american music even more now bc the music has been actually becoming good again

[short laurel]

Try other countries too like maxican or indian or Japanese. N k music outside kpop too. There's soooo many styles out there. I personally want ppl new to kpop to c korean artists outside idol industry like akmu n melomance.

[stiff prairie]

cause i like the project idea a lot. i saw a vid on how they were recruited from random places without the normal inhuman idol trainee process by a youtuber/streamer not sure. they can play instruments which is always appreciated. apparently can do streams or other things they did before joining qwer so i think it's a healthy environment they got going there etc. they're not as big yet but if they get to njz level popularity i think other companies will start "taking inspirations" from them asw lol

[stiff prairie]

i was overwhelmed the moment i heard they have 9 members ;-;

[jolly junco]

i personally love chinese music other than NJZ and korean soloist

https://open.spotify.com/track/18bn40LGPlEkKPLs2OWgUS?si=310480711f7c46b5

like this one, this is so gooodddd

[short laurel]

I not get to listen to c pop much cuz of how annoying bilibili is to nevigate at times. Spotify has limited c music.

[jolly junco]

true spotify has limited chinese music, unless they are super famous

[short laurel]

But i enjoy indie artists i get to c sometimes. I can't remember their names though cuz chinese

[stiff prairie]

there's so many undiscovered good music out there. besides english and veeery little kpop i listen to japanese stuff like radwiimps or spyair cause of anime lol

[short laurel]

Radwimps are cool. N aimer mini released today btw

[stiff prairie]

AIMER OH MY GOD bless you

the day haerin covers kataomoi will be my death probably

[sage venture]

If you like Japanese bands, don’t forget to check out ‘Lamp’ There’s a bit of MHJ’s vibe in their music https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5W9S9la-C6s

[cerulean lake]

honestly twice is like one of the most easy to tell apart groups

[cerulean lake]

i sometimes like krnb more than kpop

[twin cypress]

yo @short laurel can you tldr the Kcma or whatever bs thing they released today it was way too many words for me

[stiff prairie]

i like it. bunnies have taste fr. i keep forgetting most of us started from the fact that nj music is just immaculate gathered music loving ppl not necessarily kpop loving ppl

[cerulean lake]

i’m trying to get into japanese artists but some reason i can’t as much and it’s worse bc japan literally blocks so much content in foreign spaces

[stiff prairie]

link it so i can read too what bs they said this time

[stiff prairie]

jp entertainment industry doesn't realize gatekeeping stuff is the thing holding them back from huge popularity

*x -c https://x.com/juantokki/status/1892025111974420755

[harsh dove]

@juantokki <t:1739928913:d>

250219 KMCA Press Release

(NOTE: I have received a request to post an English translation of this appeal for international fans. However, let’s be clear—KMCA and its industry allies are nothing more than corporate mouthpieces desperate to maintain their grip on power. Their so-called "concern" for the K-pop industry is nothing but a thinly veiled attempt to protect the entrenched interests of entertainment conglomerates while disregarding the rights and agency of artists and creatives.

The Korean Music Content Association (KMCA) and its affiliated organizations have never been on the side of artists and creatives. They exist to serve the corporations—the ones who treat idols as disposable commodities, prioritizing control and profit over creative freedom and fair treatment. Their latest statement, masquerading as an industry-wide appeal, is nothing more than a reactionary defense of a system that has long exploited young talent under the guise of "stability" and "industry protection."

Let’s call this what it is: an attempt to crush dissent. The industry is terrified. What Min Hee-jin and NJZ have done has sent shockwaves through the power structure of K-pop, exposing the corrupt and predatory nature of entertainment companies that have, for decades, operated with impunity. HYBE, the biggest and most ruthless of them all, started this conflict. But now, as the situation spirals beyond their control, the entire industry is scrambling to salvage its reputation, using scare tactics and legal maneuvers to reassert dominance.

At its core, this so-called "appeal" from KMCA and other industry bodies is a desperate attempt to preserve the status quo. Their arguments about "tampering" and "contract stability" are nothing but smokescreens for their real fear: losing control. They frame their position as one of concern for K-pop’s sustainability, but the reality is clear—what they want is to maintain a system whe

[stiff prairie]

even miso can't capture the whole caption i ain't reading allat

[twin cypress]

That’s what I’m saying 😂

It’s even worse cause Juan Tokki added a million more words to the actual statement

[cinder narwhal]

where njz pr post

*x -c https://x.com/TokkiLoops/status/1892112200892031313

[harsh dove]

@TokkiLoops <t:1739949677:d>

250219

NJZ-PR

I recently heard from a ComplexCon representative who has been assisting with our performance preparations that HYBE’s chairman, Bang Si-hyuk, personally called U.S. officials to pressure them into canceling NJZ members' performance. Would it be too much of a stretch to think that today’s sudden joint statement from five organizations is also somehow related to this? I was deeply upset and angry, realizing once again that HYBE sees the members as nothing more than a means to make money—rather than supporting their success, they are only trying to obstruct and sabotage them. Since then, I have also received reports that ADOR has made multiple attempts to interfere as well.

Chairman, when we sent our protest email in April 2024, we requested a response from you, yet we have not received any reply to this day. If you truly have so much to say, why not call us directly instead of speaking elsewhere? I also fail to understand why the chairman of HYBE as a whole is personally intervening in the dispute with ADOR. Do you still believe you can claim that HYBE and ADOR are separate entities?

NJZ members are scheduled to perform at the ComplexCon event in Hong Kong. Having escaped from the nightmare of HYBE and ADOR, they are excited and eager to show a new side of themselves to fans worldwide for the first time. Despite the interference, the Hong Kong ComplexCon performance will proceed as planned, so we ask for your continued support and encouragement.

Thank you for taking the time to read this long message, and as always, we sincerely apologize for any disturbance caused. Wishing you all a warm and wonderful day.

#NJZ #엔제이지
#Minji #Hanni #Haerin #Hyein #Danielle

[stiff prairie]

i asked gemini to summarize. read this

Five major Korean music organizations (Korea Management Federation, Korea Entertainment Producers’ Association, Korea Music Labels Industry Association, Korea Record Industry Association, and Korea Music Content Association) issued a joint appeal regarding the ongoing HYBE-Min Hee-jin/NewJeans situation. They express concern that public disputes between agencies and artists, like this one, harm the entire K-pop industry. They argue that these disputes, often fueled by "unverified allegations" and "public opinion battles," can lead to excessive government regulation that stifles industry growth. Specifically, they cite NewJeans' declaration of independent activities while still under contract as a destabilizing example. >
The organizations' main point is that these conflicts shouldn't be fought in the public sphere but resolved privately. They also call for a new "anti-tampering" law, similar to those protecting semiconductor technology, arguing that "tampering" (poaching artists under contract) threatens the industry's stability and allows foreign entities to take over. They claim that enforcing existing exclusive contracts is crucial and that NewJeans' actions set a dangerous precedent. They urge the National Assembly and government to intervene and protect the industry from this perceived threat, emphasizing that their appeal is for the good of K-pop and not for any specific company.

[cinder narwhal]

oh it's their rebuttal to this

[sage venture]

These k companies are so corrupt, I don’t even have any sympathy for them NJZ and other artists should just abandon this shit hole

[cinder narwhal]

LOL clock it

[stiff prairie]

lmao bsh tried to call it off personally? what a fkn loser. i like the point that ador and hybe can't say anymore they're seperate entities.

[twin cypress]

Conflicts shouldn’t be fought in the public sphere is crazy like hybe didn’t start all of this because they were told by mhj privately that they needed to stop copying nwjns for that other irrelevant label

[short laurel]

Deleted?

[cinder narwhal]

full trans https://x.com/TokkiLoops/status/1892113307362001240

. (@TokkiLoops) on X

250219

NJZ-PR

Hello,

This morning, I saw that five organizations—the Korea Entertainment Management Association, the Korea Entertainment Producers Association, the Korea Music Label Industry Association, the Korea Music Industry Association, and the Korea Music Content

X · Feb 19, 2025, 7:25 AM

[orchid field]

crazy work lmao

[short laurel]

So if the event somehow gets cancelled, we know who to blame

[sage venture]

On the bright side, that’s proof in the court that HYBE and ADOR are the same entity

[half knot]

holy mother of pr statements

[cinder narwhal]

I get more excited by njz pr posts than njz official

[stiff prairie]

...

weird i can't post gemini summary of the njz pr post's tl for some reason

[half knot]

just read the whole thing

[stiff prairie]

i read the njz pr's whole thing but defo ain't reading kmca statement's tl

[red thorn]

Holy shi

[sage venture]

BSH himself was trying to cancel ComplexCon - just let that sink in

[red thorn]

Good tea NJZ pr

[orchid field]

he reached out to american government officials nontheless, this guys is so pressed by njz lmao
its just entertainment artists not ww3 its not that deep bruh what neeed is there to call government officials lmao this is like -100000000000 on their priority list

[short laurel]

Since these 5 fat association asked NA. I hope NA does something that only end up harming these 5 fats

[cinder narwhal]

oh i thought US complex (headquarters) officials

[stiff prairie]

yeah i don't think it's US govt officials

[short laurel]

It's complex hq, not government. Probably tried to threaten with bts. Since he thinks bts are biggest artists in whole world

[sage venture]

Maybe he really thinks he's the king of K-pop lol

[orchid field]

*x -c https://x.com/tina2nHR/status/1892117407839236490

[harsh dove]

@tina2nHR <t:1739950918:d>

njz_pr writing that rebuttal

[orchid field]

oh

[stiff prairie]

ok my take from the five org's statement is that they're trying to put pressure on judges to rule in favor of hybe and it's clear as day

[short laurel]

He actually does think that. It's very clear from the document leak about lee sooman n later that article where press called him king of kpop

[stiff prairie]

and njz pr is a godsend cause if news agencies want ppl to believe they're neutral they must put out what njz pr said as well not just statement from kmca etc

[sage venture]

A company run by delulu lol King of Kpop but can't come back to Korea and speak in front of the press

[stiff prairie]

well so much for the "cool and unbothered" bsh against "rattled and shaken" mhj debate. bro didn't even use his henchmen to do his bidding this time around

[short laurel]

MHJ has been alot more cool and clam through out this drama after her press conference. u won't expect this much clamness from an individuall going against a billion dollar company

[steep torrent]

im confused why he would call u.s. officials to cancel a performance in hongkong? unless they will perform in vegas too..?

[short laurel]

meanwhile bsh has only shown his face once when it was to insult MHJ and trying to twist the court outcome in media last years 1st injuction which obviously favored MHJ.

[orchid field]

i think cake said it might be complex officials, their hq is in the us

[short laurel]

it is complex HQ. not government lol

[orchid field]

worded as U.S officials, double ended

[shy schooner]

At least the girls will still be performing as scheduled

[half knot]

it's contextual in the paragraph

Not long ago, we received information from a ComplexCon official assisting with our upcoming performance. According to them, HYBE Chairman Bang Si-hyuk personally called U.S. officials, urging them to cancel NJZ members’ performance.
clearly referring to Complex officials situated in the US.
though admittedly the translation interpretation could have been clearer

[jolly junco]

Wtf!!!!!!

Someone pleasse find me a shaman, i need to make BSH sent to the other world, RIGHT NOW

[kindred estuary]

did bsh really think he's too influential to be able to cancel an artist appearance in a concert?? did he even sponsor that concert in any way?

[frozen granite]

Wait what’s going on

BSH can’t sabotage NJZ right ?

[jolly junco]

he tried to with complexcon, but complexcon declined him

[red thorn]

The info is public now so...

[sage venture]

I'm dying to know what the phone call was like lol

[half knot]

if they can prove BSH tried to interfere, there's a good argument in court that ador and hybe are one and the same and acting in each other's interests against NJ

[frozen granite]

When do we know if there was a breach of trust ? When is the court date ?

[jolly junco]

april 3rd

[jolly junco]

@waxen musk broooo wake up!!!

[kindred estuary]

well the info came from a complexcon official assisting NJZ's upcoming performance at the concert so yea 😅 it will push through i guess

[wind monolith]

Well this is something

[tawdry vessel]

pls let the call leak

[stiff prairie]

i just like the fact that because of the existence of njz pr we're not as mad as we would be if we only had kmca statement to go on about

[buoyant hamlet]

I dont have anything to add, just wanted to say fuck Bang Si Hyuk

[sage venture]

https://tenor.com/view/who-the-fuck-do-you-think-you-are-real-housewives-of-new-york-rhony-who-do-you-think-you-are-youre-being-arrogant-gif-21244091

Should have been a quick call

[upbeat stream]

So BSH personally contacted Complex USA to prevent njz from performing but they refused and instead informed the parents? What's most likely:

1. Complex really is that righteous
2. BSH and hybe have zero influence in the US
3. NJZ have someone very powerful backing them

[sage venture]

2

[cosmic belfry]

lol def 2

[upbeat stream]

Really? I'm thinking 3

[half knot]

the simplest explanation is always the best one

[sage venture]

but still 2 is true

[half knot]

and the simplest explanation is that complex usa officials went "nugu?" when BSH called them

[upbeat stream]

lmao

[wind monolith]

2 just seems more likely complex also sold out all of the tickets imagine they remove njz what would fans do (complex will also lose money)

[half knot]

complex would put their own corporate interests over hybe's

[jolly junco]

complexcon will lose all their credibility if that happens

[short laurel]

Hybe is nugu. complexcon don't give a fart if they loss hybe groups. sure overall hybe group has bigger fans but for the amount of attendences they need on every event. any other companies kpop group fandoms can fill it

[ashen charm]

“a ComplexCon official—who has been assisting with the concert preparations—that HYBE’s chairman, Bang Sihyuk, personally called U.S. industry contacts, pressuring them to cancel NJZ members’ performance.” so pretty much njz were confrimed for las vegas ...

[cinder narwhal]

[stiff prairie]

Las Vegas how? Do complex have another concert coming up there?

[half knot]

or at least los angeles

complex has LA festivals every year iirc

[hoary frost]

Is giving “Are you crazy? Do u want to die?”

[stiff prairie]

Complexcon LA here we go. Don't try to convince me otherwise

[copper jetty]

Oh if this is true I'm going to be there no matter what.

Also i never thought I'd get salty bsh ever.

[jolly junco]

Watch out for BSH lurking in the corner when u are there

[stiff prairie]

If bsh appear near a NJ concert will he remain intact after bunnies notice the guy?

[jolly junco]

Btw i’m sooooo happy for the existence of njz_pr best IG account in my life

[stiff prairie]

Same after njz official ofc

Back in the days we'd be saying things about kmca and give them undeserved value. Now it's about what njz pr says in response instead

[hoary frost]

He is so easily recognizable I dont think he will make it out

[stiff prairie]

There's a reason he's on ozempic and not showing up in public anymore lmao

[ashen charm]

Complex con this year in the us is in Las Vegas

[lucid yarrow]

soon the media play going to be like NJZ parents is bulling hybe/kmo or some shit....

[short laurel]

parents of 5 kids bullying a multi billion dollars company. help

[jolly junco]

@stiff prairie bro no complexcon for you

[short laurel]

cake is from US ?

[jolly junco]

Try again next year

[stiff prairie]

Nope

[stiff prairie]

No complexcon for me personally either ways. Just vibes lol

[short laurel]

yea. i remember ur name on the map.

[ashen charm]

I live 3 hours from there I might go

[short laurel]

that one still far so things can change btw. for now focus on the one in hongkong

[stiff prairie]

Mmm I don't think that's me cause I logged in with my Google and that's a different name. I did see a few cake juice and bread in multiple countries tho. It's just a common name ig. Even this server has a lot of CJB in it they're just not active

[frozen granite]

Do these people have the power to negatively affect NJZ or no??

[stiff prairie]

I mean it's obvious they're trying their best to stop njz. They'll probably blacklist them on music shows etc. make more news articles against them. so yes in a way

As long as these things don't effect the judge's ruling on the lawsuits it's not that big of a deal imo

[jolly junco]

true

this is 2025, you dont need "local music shows" to promote, there are many ways to do that

hybe couldnt possibly block every ways

they gonna lose more money trying to sabotage NJZ than focusing on their current groups under HYBE

[tiny peak]

and damage to their reputation

HYBE has enemies in the industry too, they can't block NJZ everywhere

[jolly junco]

they have no reputation left since 2024

[short laurel]

they not had good reputation even in 2023 with sm kakao thing

[sage venture]

They're already a laughing stock among Korean communities If any other hideous things are revealed in court, it'll only get worse Any normal businessman wouldn't go this far

[short laurel]

that's the thing they are not proper businessman. people in his company are people who make money on short term then hop to another company.

[jolly junco]

I dont understand this meme, explain?

[hoary frost]

Its supposed to be a Drake diss so now its a BSH diss

[tiny peak]

as far as NJZ reputation, very few k-pop groups can naturally headline ComplexCon. they transcend kpop now and are being viewed as legitimate artists

[jolly junco]

Ohhh

[short laurel]

they never were kpop i'd say. everything they've done so far is very unlike kpop

[cinder narwhal]

do you know who's in the pic

[jolly junco]

No, why?

[hoary frost]

I think theyre referring to Njz not complex

[tiny peak]

that's Kendrick as the super bowl, he smiled into the camera when he rapped the "hey drake" part

[short laurel]

i m referring to NJZ

[hoary frost]

oh

[tiny peak]

all this talk nowadays of NJZ copies, but what is NJZ concept nowadays? how many groups are fighting against a corrupt billion dollar company and prioritizing art and authenticity and trying to change kpop for the better

[upbeat stream]

What could the associations announce on the 27th? I'm guessing what they already threatened back in December. That they'll actually ban njz from circle chart

[short laurel]

and got shut down by everyone for their comment xD

[hoary frost]

Newjeans copies not NJZ, NJZ is a whole diff concept

what is that posted by njz parents?

[cinder narwhal]

oh I'm expecting an njz drop on that date too 227

[hoary frost]

*tt -c https://x.com/newjeans_loop/status/1892114302443917340?s=46

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