NJZ Updates and Discussion

[tardy smelt]

i can't shake that i gotta think about Jay-Z every time i say their name

[lucid yarrow]

jay z collab when

[short laurel]

gen Z...

[fierce cloak]

somehow i keep read it as "en jay jwu" 😅 i think the korean pronounce "en jae i ji"

[red thorn]

Wether they're within Bana or not, I hope the loyalty bond still as strong they still creating together
The role of Bana's ceo is very integral, he's been work in tandem with mhj, probably we couldn't get good demos, talents, etc without kim kihyun

[short laurel]

it's crazy that ador managed to make enemy of every one of core members of NJ music.

[red thorn]

Bsh hit the jackpot, recruited mhj, she came with her elite task forces pack and collaborators
He ruined it

[fierce cloak]

it's truly incredible that everyone around njz and mhj are loyal to them through all the storm
im happy to see the girls are so confident with the drastic change
mhj and the team truly work the butts off and proven the success in everything in inevitable

[short laurel]

Hybe burning, meanwhile BSH still sitting in USA

[fierce cloak]

in ador statement it feels like they are shaking now lol
i wonder what are they working on when the company is hollow

[hoary frost]

Theres a staement?

[short laurel]

it was very weak statement

[short laurel]

they probably filled it with ppl from other labels. working on the BG that MHJ was training.

[fierce cloak]

poor trainee, i know they are dreaming to debut but it's not very good to stay there
they announce recruit trainee too, so maybe there are new recruitments, but after all, none of what make ador magic is there anymore

[wind monolith]

It was a copy paste statement

[elfin pewter]

where can i find the statement please

[short laurel]

. this

[hoary frost]

THE CRASHOUT ON REDDIT IS SO FINNY LOL

[waxen musk]

I've been scared to look. Shall I? Is it funny or will it make me miserable?

[hoary frost]

Its really funny, theyre so serious its funny

[hoary frost]

Not for the light hearted so maybe not for u

[red thorn]

I'm going to assume it's all about the "they can't do that they still under contract" and fake concern

[upbeat stream]

It makes me miserable when things are not looking good for us. Right now though? It's so funny

[hoary frost]

Antis are not the only ones crashing out 😭😭😭😭 bns are too 😹😹😹😹😹😹

Kinda worried though, lots of discussion on their concept looking like Aespa’s and XG’s, Hybe might try to use it in court

[short laurel]

why? NJ concept can look like anyones they want. problem with hybe was copying from sister group, it's own label

[fierce cloak]

nah its irrelevant
at first that was my impression too but actually the only similarity is the metal materials and the sharp modern look
but the font is still nj, the styling is actually a spin of hanbok

aespa fans are cool with this because they know the group doesnt own the aesthetic that become a trend recently which literally almost everyone use similar metal vibe (coz same accessories and stuff)
but the font and the vibe are entirely different
aespa is a lot more spiky, harsh, futuristic
NJ is round and remind of 2000s interpretation of futuristic like TLC

[hoary frost]

I’m not saying I care abt it looking like aespa and xg or whatever its the discussion it led to and how people twist and turn it to be used against them

[fierce cloak]

it's okay, it create discussion and engagement, so it's a good thing to help spreading the news about NJZ name and getting attention and anticipation about their next move

[upbeat stream]

Redditors saying that mys are gonna go after njz

Doesn't look like that's happening but let's see

[fierce cloak]

it would be bad if people are like "new name? cool" and move on with their life and there is no engagement at all lmao
that's the reason why most nugu group failed, as they couldnt get attention

[fierce cloak]

mys are cool
redditors are just a bunch of armies and idiots dont understand kpop and how entertainment industry function

[hoary frost]

Im checking twitter and reddit rn but mys are just loving and living w it 😹😹😹

Saying they finally got aesjeans crumbs

[fierce cloak]

if we have any ally, the best ones would be aespa's fandom lmao, mutual enemies against bsh

[fierce cloak]

literally cousinsssss

[upbeat stream]

Long live the my-tokki alliance

[waxen musk]

Yeah for me it's only the logos (there's three NJZ logos) and aespa and XG have a variety of logos too. So it's not a big deal. Also people finding NewJeans using a similar font in the past. People are making a big deal out of it but it's nothing.

[marsh sorrel]

This is reddit???🤨🤨

[fierce cloak]

yeah i was a bit skeptic at first, then i saw some tokki analyse, and realise it's a photoshoot for a magazine, so yes it does hint the direction they go toward, more mature and sharp rather than the 'childhood' girls next door, but it doesnt mean this is the only thing they would do

and if they got inspired from TLC then it actually aligned with Supernatural too - something y2k but also futuristic, scifi-ish

[hoary frost]

Cool with u

[fierce cloak]

ironically pannchoa has been very supportive of njz and mhj, sometimes they do post stuff a bit controversal for engagement but largely is positive

[hoary frost]

Bunnies crashout on reddit is so funny 😭😭😭😭

“Thy are my encouraging man”

[tardy smelt]

watched the translated live. sounds like the concept is only to suit their new song. not indicative of their entire branding as NJZ. like Hanni said, we dunno what they're gonna show us over the course of this year.

[hoary frost]

I hope for a world tour

[fierce cloak]

yeah, it's a suitable concept to indicate the rebelation and breaking free from ador/ hybe, especially hanni wears the mask like protestor, and the girls have red bunny eyes seems very dangerous, not friendly cuddly

[hoary frost]

Super not shy

[fierce cloak]

remember that mhj is the magician can transform the artists into any concepts, especially with groups she's more experimental like f(x) or RV

[hoary frost]

Flying to hongkong asap

[waxen musk]

New concept every 14 days.

[fierce cloak]

compare f(x) Pink Tape -> Red Light -> 4 Wallas are drastic change

[hoary frost]

I wouldnt mind this ik they have alot in their concept bank

[waxen musk]

I don't know what to expect but they're kinda hyping it up to expect maybe a lot throughout the full year.
I wasn't even expecting anything in March as far as a new song let alone expect anything more than maybe like another 4 songs in 2025 just like last year but who knows.

[hoary frost]

Let me see my goat Minji

[tardy smelt]

please let it be more than 4 songs man

that full album is way overdue

[waxen musk]

We still have almost 11 months left, I'm sure we won't get barely anything.

I still really do wonder what MHJ was up to between Get Up EP and Bubble Gum. Back then we didn't have the whole drama. It's been about the same amount of time between releases.

[fierce cloak]

they seems to really commit to world tour this year
everything is process so fast they won't lose any momentum

[stiff prairie]

lmaoo which sub is this

[hoary frost]

Kpop uncensored surprisingly

[stiff prairie]

this post will be deleted soon then

[waxen musk]

I've gone from not expecting much this year to expecting maybe a bit too much just based on how fast things are moving and what the girls said in their live. Things change VERY fast, it's scary.

[waxen musk]

https://tenor.com/view/hanni-pham-hanni-hanni-reaction-hanni-cute-newjeans-gif-13264103800085569845

[fierce cloak]

damn i wanna hear more news but the girls are silent after the livestream, looks like they were middle in filming something

[errant mango]

https://x.com/fl9mee/status/1887830352678306012?t=09byZtsAH9_RlZipacud3w&s=19

fl9me (@fl9mee) on X

this is the exact same sub that always says they're tired of the girls. thanks for being their principal promoter on reddit btw

X · Feb 7, 2025, 11:46 AM

ts is so funny

[hoary frost]

Tweak

[dark glade]

Okay, so now I am concered you know the articles about the festival they are meant to be doing if you search on google and click on a lot of the sites that come up it says "page taken down"
what does this actually mean, is that why they went to cnbc im so confused

[tardy smelt]

example?

[dark glade]

example let me send links from top search

https://thehkhub.com/complexcon-hong-kong-2025-adds-njz-formerly-newjeans-as-headliner//RK=2/RS=DYM516EZm7SI3bB.a_zjION.KgU-

https://www.lifestyleasia.com/hk/entertainment/newjeans-njz-complexcon-hong-kong-2025-comeback-debut-news-details-info//RK=2/RS=YZQ2YkEW6OMNrArlJp._wKE6gKI-

https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/hong-kong-economy/article/3297766/complexcon-hong-kong-march-feature-k-pop-girl-group-njz-formerly-newjeans/RK=2/RS=28fLk7nroTqBHB1rUWgRjPfzHpQ-

https://cnalifestyle.channelnewsasia.com/entertainment/newjeans-new-name-njz-complexcon-hong-kong-459746/RK=2/RS=3KixPtUJbxMsu7I7lE6rVtE10y4-

all mentions about new jeanz headlining have been removed from mostly every single site

this is what I was on about last night and was very concerned over

[raven kelp]

i searched it up n it is still there though

[fierce cloak]

my gosh love spell
yes, it's the authenticity, genuine care, respect and empower, it's the creative craft and experience, it's artistic soul - it's human connection that these idiots never experience

[dark glade]

on which site?

[hoary frost]

I think u are lagging because all of them r still on for me

[dark glade]

I think its still on wesrtern as korea cant control our media but for the major asia sites its all taken down

[raven kelp]

i opened scmp amd lifestyle

[errant mango]

for me is not that's weird

[hushed whale]

still there for me, remove all the random "/RK=2/RS=" in your links

[cinder narwhal]

https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/hong-kong-economy/article/3297766/complexcon-hong-kong-march-feature-k-pop-girl-group-njz-formerly-newjeans

https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/hong-kong-economy/article/3297766/complexcon-hong-kong-march-feature-k-pop-girl-group-njz-formerly-newjeans/RK=2/RS=28fLk7nroTqBHB1rUWgRjPfzHpQ-

[dark glade]

it just keeps saying let me send you

Page Not Found!
404
We're sorry, but we can't find the page you were looking for. It's probably some thing we've done wrong but now we know about it and we'll try to fix it. In the meantime, try one of these options:

[cinder narwhal]

your urls are broken mate

[dark glade]

has it been removed for certain regions im so confused as some friends are saying the same?

[hoary frost]

U sent an invalid link didnt u

[tardy smelt]

they still have all the articles on their sites, your urls are just busted

https://thehkhub.com/complexcon-hong-kong-2025-adds-njz-formerly-newjeans-as-headliner/

https://www.lifestyleasia.com/hk/entertainment/newjeans-njz-complexcon-hong-kong-2025-comeback-debut-news-details-info/

https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/hong-kong-economy/article/3297766/complexcon-hong-kong-march-feature-k-pop-girl-group-njz-formerly-newjeans

https://cnalifestyle.channelnewsasia.com/entertainment/newjeans-new-name-njz-complexcon-hong-kong-459746

[cinder narwhal]

remove all the RK=2

[dark glade]

oh that was the url from google thats weird

like i mean when i search google click the top links thats what happens idk why

thats why I was asking as I was so confused but thanks for explaning

[tardy smelt]

probably got something on your end, browser issue or some such

[cinder narwhal]

must be google's amp reader or something. Anyway they're up

[dark glade]

i don't i think its maybe google meta, or the company changed their urls of each site, and maybe google has not updated

[dark glade]

yeah

[frozen bronze]

do you use firefox?

[dark glade]

chrome and on phone sarfari but something is deffiently going on cous its the same for a lot of top search

like even the cnn link is https://edition.cnn.com/2025/02/06/style/newjeans-kpop-new-name-hnk-intl/RK=2/RS=ZnTzICt6LKRroOpAkfLJhD80e5Q-

but probs got changed or google is trying to remove top searches

[frozen bronze]

your browser is messed up or somethibng ive never seen this kind of bug

[dark glade]

its not, my browser works for everything else same on my phone

[frozen bronze]

/RK=2/RS=ZnTzICt6LKRroOpAkfLJhD80e5Q- this is at the end of all of your links, just remove that

[wind monolith]

If i search it up on safari shows up fine idk

[dark glade]

thats the url that comes from google top search, thats what im saying i have checked multiple browers and even other devices

[frozen bronze]

thats just extremely odd

[jolly junco]

i went to google and search NJZ complexcon, click top 5 articles and everything just works fine

[wind monolith]

Same

[frozen bronze]

clear your cookies and other data in the browser
Settings > Safari > Toggle Prevent Cross-Site Tracking ON. as well

[dark glade]

thats weird though cous its also doing it on my granddads pc, I asked chat gpt and it says this ?

The "RK=2/RS=ZnTzICt6LKRroOpAkfLJhD80e5Q-" part in a Google search URL typically refers to tracking parameters used by Google to monitor the source of the click (for example, which specific search result was clicked or how the search result was ranked). This part is added by Google and is not part of the actual destination URL.

[frozen bronze]

yeah i can see that, and your browser is forgetting to remove it from the actual url or something

[dark glade]

so i think maybe its a google issue thing

[dark glade]

I think it is google ? as I know how this works as I use it myself

Google Cache Issues: Google sometimes stores cached versions of pages. If there was an issue when Google last crawled and indexed the page, it could show outdated or incorrect links.

i think google needs to recrawl the pages

but my point is its only doing it for new jeans articles for me, like I can search other groups and soloists and for general news and it does not do it

so idk

ill give remove /RK=2/RS=ZnTzICt6LKRroOpAkfLJhD80e5Q- from urls anyways its fine thanks for helping

[stiff prairie]

dw dispatch will come thru in a few days and ruin the vibes and we'll go back to dooming ig

[stiff prairie]

went to kpop uncensored to find these. came back without finding any of these but multiple hate prayers. no thanks. imma stick to r/newjeans

[frozen bronze]

i saw a few blatant bot replies on there

[dark glade]

@frozen bronze I am now totally confused my korean friend sent me the link and it is true, and now I don't understand at all

ADOR releases a statement following NJZ new group name:

We find it very unfortunate that the members made this decision unilaterally before the legal judgment of the validity of the exclusive contract was made.

We welcome NewJeans or their legal representatives at any time to resolve any misunderstandings and discuss the group’s future plans.

[frozen bronze]

yeah we know about this statement

[dark glade]

im confused, so is this about the name, they should of waited it out?

[frozen bronze]

no, this is just a basic pr post by ador

[dark glade]

okays, its just so confusing

[frozen bronze]

ador is trying to say that nj should have waited for the court to answer ador's request, which no theres no reason for them to do that if they believe they are right, this is just ador reaching for crumbs on the floor because they dont actually have anything to say

[dark glade]

okays I have just heard a lot of diff people everyone says something different lol , its just confusing to understand at the end of the day the girls was mistreated and abused I understand that

[jolly junco]

you only need to hear from 1 source, its NJZ themselves

[frozen bronze]

i mean im not more qualified than anyone else, but theres no use getting worked up over a simple pr statement like this

[dark glade]

but also I'm being told even by koreans they shouldn't of changed their name which I also understand that

[frozen bronze]

nobody knows anything

[jolly junco]

bruh stop listening to "everyone" or "anyone" or "somebody"

just listen to what NJZ said, thats all

[dark glade]

I just wish more info was out to make it make more sense for everyone, as atm people are speculating, you have 1 side full for it and 1the other side saying this is so bad

[frozen bronze]

thats just humans

[dark glade]

like why could we not have more info already

we have to wait 2 months

[frozen bronze]

neither side can say much because then the other side could possibly use that to build a stronger case for court

[tardy smelt]

your energy is better spent elsewhere than speculating on what could or could not happen when we're not privy to any crucial info, just enjoy the moment and whatever happens, happens

[stiff prairie]

everyone is speculating everything tbh. here we are optimistic things will turn out fine. on the other hand they're hoping that we don't win lawsuits and wishes the girls future is destroyed. at the end of the day no one really knows for sure what is going to happen until court rules one way or the other. till then we can just enjoy what njz put out there for us, hope for the best and continue with our lives thassall

[hoary frost]

LOL

[dark glade]

I totally do agree with that but also I don't want false hope like I would prefer for this to be over and that the girls have won, so fr i wont be excited until its over.

bro im just having a casual convo, we aint in english chill

jesus some people just attack you, like you can't ask questions or even give your opinions and thoughts and also find out what others think

[hoary frost]

You’re saying stupid shit tbh

Positivity isnt false hope, just be glad theyre redebuting and all, dont talk legals because we dont know anything

U even said what they did wasnt right or sum, and to me thats bs

Keep calm and support them, they know wat to do

[dark glade]

alrighty, I was asking about the LAW as actually the name change was not the best move as I keep saying and I was seeing what others think, and that google has changed search results but i'll just stop speaking here as people don't even listen or care. let's just wait and see what happens in april and I do wish the girls the best

[stiff prairie]

yo chill. lots of ppl use should of these days even if it's a mistake just accept it. it's not that serious

[hoary frost]

Now u are talking law and that again 😭

[cinder narwhal]

chill

[dark glade]

no i was just using that tbh to make my message a bit longer

i chatted about everything tbh to find out others thoughts and get some answers myself

[hoary frost]

I need ur opinion on smth tho do u think they shldve stayed in Hybe/Ador

[dark glade]

nope i don't but I also feel the is still a right way to do this. I wish them the best ofc but the is right way to do things, atm this is all faulse hope especially about new music

[hoary frost]

Ure rlly pessimistic

[frozen bronze]

reading too much into situations that we dont have half the details of

[dark glade]

yea I was just saying I actually don't know if it would be new music that does not make sense especially since the court case starts in april. But now its just a waiting game to see what the outcome is

and to find out more information

[frozen bronze]

you have to understand that the court case does not matter if ador cant prove anything, and nj strongly believe ador cant, so they can just act assuming the court case will not change anything

[dark glade]

yea I understand that completely and agree, I just think them doing this though could now potentially change things hopefully not though

[stiff prairie]

yeah like we don't know anything. and if the contract is valid they breached long ago anyways by opening insta acc, signing w brands outside of ador etc. if their contract is invalid then it's all cool anyways. new music, new name isn't changing anything really is it

[frozen bronze]

well yeah but what are they supposed to do, there is nothing they can do that isnt risky

[dark glade]

yea this is what I meant, you have basically just said it for me

[frozen bronze]

if they sit still for months and do nothing thats exactly what ador/hybe want

[dark glade]

but also if they have breached now due to all of this its given ador a case now and they can sue for a lot. But now its just a waiting game to actually see what happens

[stiff prairie]

good. i'm not against you or anyone. it's better to see each other's perspective than start arguing. maybe on a day i'm feeling really pessimistic i'd be agreeing w you too

[dark glade]

I just find it worrying that some people don't understand actually how seriou it is that they have done this, it has gave ador more of a case, like first of all they had nothing if that makes sense but now they have all of this

so even though ador keeps releasing statements it will all be brought up in court

[stiff prairie]

ok let me express my pov first

[frozen bronze]

no it didnt give ador more of a case, nj girls are acting with the hope that the court rules in their favour. in that case nothing they did after the contract termination matters to the court case in any way, since the contract was fairly terminated. this specific action doesnt change the court ruling in any way

[dark glade]

it has given them more of a case though, and tbh I think it would be more of sueing rather then anything more serious but thats going to be hella expensive

[frozen bronze]

explain how ?

[wind monolith]

My understanding is even if njz lose and the contract is valid they would still not want to stay and they would want to leave which is a breach itself already and they would have to pay the fee. This allows them continue working and pay a fee if it does happen

[dark glade]

ador has not stated they are out of contract nor has any lawyers thats my point

[wind monolith]

And all those fee numbers r from hybe media play it will fs never be that high based on prev similar cases

[frozen bronze]

ador doesnt need to state that they agree with the contract termination, the point is that nj terminated according to a clause in the contract. and ador does have lawyers

[stiff prairie]

so ador is already seeing njz do things that are contract breach worthy right? and this new name new song is just another one to the added list. on the other hand njz believe contract is terminated so they'll win and since the new name new song is after that termination it doesn't affect them. now say the contract isn't terminated then what'll happen is ador will say hey you got this much money out of complexcon give us the money and the money we owe for you guys not working for us this amount of time. the later part would happen even if the didn't sign up for complexcon w new name and stuff

[dark glade]

ofc we want them to leave but basically NJ was saying ador breached their contact, so have NJZ now. Basically if it was me I would of waited for the court thats my pov

[frozen bronze]

you arent understanding

[stiff prairie]

ador will obviously say they're still under their company duh? and only judge has the say on this matter

[dark glade]

yea that's what I mean I'm bad at wording things, like from pov they should of waited for the court to rule

[frozen bronze]

waiting for after the court ruling will only matter if the court rules in favour of ador, and since nj are seemingly confident that the court wont do that, they can do whatever they want right now

[dark glade]

but now them breaching their contracts also has not helped them at all

[frozen bronze]

theres no contract according to them

[stiff prairie]

but the validity ruling will take almost a year and they believe they're in the right and we need music now so they're giving us asap.

[dark glade]

according to the girls yes but has any lawyer actually confirmed this

[frozen bronze]

man i really dont think you understand the situation, we keep explaining again and again

[stiff prairie]

all their actions rely on the fact that the contract is terminated as of nov 29

[wind monolith]

The ruling can sometime take years waiting will make them jobless

[dark glade]

thats what I'm saying the girls have been manipulated lots and lots

[frozen bronze]

oh my god

[stiff prairie]

no?

[wind monolith]

☠️

[tardy smelt]

here we go

[wind monolith]

Bye that was the last straw im going to do work

[dark glade]

@stiff prairie understands me I'm not even going to try speaking to others

[hoary frost]

I thought we were going in the right track and u js ruined it

[frozen bronze]

with every message i believe less and less that you are good hearted and actually just trying to understand, you are making no effort to listen to what we have to say and are bringing up these weird points

[hoary frost]

He does NOT understand u bro who r u 😭😭😭😭

[dark glade]

we are going in the right track, but they should of waited

[stiff prairie]

i understand your pov but i don't necessarily agree w you

[dark glade]

cous now like cake said the money they make from this festival ador has the right to request all the money

[stiff prairie]

esp after manipulated talk

[hoary frost]

Im telling u sometimes bullying is needed

[frozen bronze]

no they dont, if the court agrees with them, which is what they are banking on

[hoary frost]

Im going back to that little 7 stereotype

[stiff prairie]

yes only when court says njz breached contract first and ador was right all along which we are hoping won't become the case

[dark glade]

they still do, tec NJ are still under ador no lawyer has stated otherwise

[frozen bronze]

some of their replies seem so much like a bot programmed to pretend like theyre listening but end up disagreeing anyway

[hoary frost]

Literally going in circles

[wind monolith]

No lawyer has said nj r still with ador either sooo ur going no where with that

[frozen bronze]

this just isnt how it works what would a random lawyer have say in this case

[dark glade]

I hope this is not the case at all but waiting it out would of been a lot better

as both parties have now breached their contracts

[stiff prairie]

no lawyer has no right to judge on this fact. first thing first. ador's lawyers say that they're right, njz lawyers say njz are right. so only the seoul district judge has a say on this matter right?

[frozen bronze]

i dont think you are reading the words that im typing

[hoary frost]

Ure talking to a broken record

[stiff prairie]

wait i can fix him. i understand it now

[tardy smelt]

let cake cook

[frozen bronze]

this person just doesnt want to accept that he doesnt understand the whole situation

[wind monolith]

https://tenor.com/view/sigma-gif-5970294187009681545

[dark glade]

it would be their lawyer and also ador lawyers that would say yes the contract is terminated atm its actually not as neither has said this. Only NJ have said this which I do hope is true thats what me and cake was speaking about

[frozen bronze]

????? no ?

[hoary frost]

I can tell ure losing it by the texts

[frozen bronze]

i need to just stop replying because im starting to think this is bait

[dark glade]

Honestly I wish them the best but I just don't understand why they have gone about it this way 😭

[frozen bronze]

yeah youve told us like 25 times and i told you why they did 25 times

[stiff prairie]

ok so two parties can not breach the contract at the same time!!

either ador and hybe breached it first and njz are right to terminate the contract and do whatever they want

OR njz breached the contract first and ador has the right to claim benefits from njz deals concert money etc

it's either one of those. when you say both parties breached contract you're simply wrong. do you understand my side? i'm not arguing just for the sake of arguing. i want you to get this thing right hopefully

[hoary frost]

How many times have u said this and go on to indirectly insult them

[dark glade]

Yeah I understand that, I just thought that both parties could not breach I guess I was wrong about that bit, I'm just trying to understand it in legal terms

[jolly junco]

Hwaitinggg cake

[hoary frost]

Ok so Hybe/Ador breached the contract first do u understand

[dark glade]

yes I understand that, but I thought it would of been best waiting it out as surely now this can be used? thats what I'm confused over

[stiff prairie]

thank you for understanding. now of course random lawyers online will have opinions but they're opinions right? only the judge has a say on this matter. it can go for us(hopefully) or it can go against us (sadly) only time will tell. till then isn't it better to stay hopeful have a bit of light hearted fun instead of staying negative which impacts our mental health?

[jolly junco]

Ador has already breached the contract first. Why would they wait?? They can just leave since the contract has been breached

Imagine its your office where you work. Your bos has breached your contract, do you stay and keep working for your bos or you leave?

[dark glade]

yeah I agree, I was just trying to understand it more but I agree, lets keep positive

[frozen bronze]

lets say ador breaches contract somewhere in 2023, nj breaks the contract because of that, believing they legally can due to a contract clause that allows for this.
lets say they broke contract on january 1st 2024 and in the next 2 months they change name, take their own brand deals, have concerts and release new music
if the initial contract termination was deemed valid by a judge, nothing they did in those next 2 months can be used as evidence for anything at all since the contract was terminated on january 1st
if the contract was deemed still valid by a judge, THEN those actions after january 1st can be seen as breach of contract by nj
the whole point is that nj are very confident that they can win the court case and waiting around for a year is career-ending so they are taking this risk

im not explaining this again

[stiff prairie]

thank you!!

[dark glade]

you leave but also when it comes to contracts and especially idols its different you can't like use them situations as they are diff

[jolly junco]

Whats the diff, explain

[stiff prairie]

guys we can stop it here. like you can't change an inherently pessimistic pov to optimistic one vice versa. it's good enough to just keep us on the main legal points

[dark glade]

but if it happenend in work I'd just leave

the contracts are completely diff and situations you can't relate them

[jolly junco]

Thats why im asking, whats the diff? You cant explain, can you?

[dark glade]

yeah thank you for explaining and talking it through with me

idols contracts are different then someone working in a office no i can't explain it

[jolly junco]

Allright im going to sleep

[stiff prairie]

you're right. but thing is we don't know their contract. only njz and ador know. njz believes ador is wrong ador believes njz are wrong. whatever we say here is just opinions and not facts

[dark glade]

but its totally un relatable

[dark glade]

yeah I totally agree

sorry my messages got a bit mixed up as the is a slow mode 😭

[stiff prairie]

no it's okay. but you have to stop believing they're being manipulated. it's a red alarm to us bunnies since it's main talking point of our antis

[short laurel]

The method nj followed for termination, there's 2 precedence in sk of it with celebrities winning. One is lower court n 1 in supreme court.

[stiff prairie]

they have appointed reputable law firms to protect their interest. you have to agree if any decisions they take is detrimental to their future lawsuits, their legal team wouln't allow it to happen

[tardy smelt]

what would be the point of waiting on putting out new music? assume you're in their position and are hedging your bets on winning the case, not losing

1. the girls put out new music, they win the case, all is well
2. the girls don't put out new music, they win the case, they've lost out on however long they could've been putting out work
3. the girls put out new music, they lose the case, they pay fees
4. the girls don't put out new music, the lose the case, they pay fees
   now if you had full confidence you're winning, what would you do?

[dark glade]

you have to look at the bigger pic though like it was me and I was soloist you'd want to wait as if it did not go in your favour any money you make you have hve to hand over and be sued for thousands like from my pov if it was me I'd wait win and then do it.

and when you say fees the thing is its not going to be cheap at all, thats from my pov if it was me if my situation I'd wait.

But the girls will know what they are doing with their lawyers that's all that matters

[tardy smelt]

well, caution to the wind, they favour doing what they love than money. it's the risk they're willing to take.

[short laurel]

U do know this case will take years. U expecting girls to wait their entire prime just for this n do nothing?

[tardy smelt]

the losing scenarios are bad either way

[dark glade]

but at least they would not owe like thousands that's what I was speaking about with cake and then cake explained it all

[short laurel]

Regardless, girls decided to make new releases n as fans we should support it. Whatever happens with lawsuit comes la0ter

[dark glade]

the fees aint cheap at all

[dark glade]

yes this

[stiff prairie]

but my point would be now they're going to have a lot of money to give away. without any concert or brand deals they wouldn't have any money to give away and they still would need to pay up regardless cause opening an insta account in itself is a breach unless hybe's actions are considered breach on the first place

[short laurel]

Even now fees aren't cheap. But what of girls win. If they didn't do anything n win the case, they wasted all these years doing nothing n their prime age of idol industry goes away.

[polar owl]

If this was their attitude, then they would not have taken up the fight with their label. Stayed silent, till Hybe gradually made them irrelevant.

[short laurel]

N The fact is hybe wants them to be irrelevant.

[tardy smelt]

they'll owe a shit ton of money either way if they lose. the current scenario vastly outweighs the other winning scenario where they win and don't do anything in this time period.

[dark glade]

none of us will actually know until the hearing and I feel like everyone has their opinions and this has been talked about a lot now and maybe its time to move on from this

[wind monolith]

Even if the contract ends up valid, do u think njz would still want to stay with ador or leave and pay the fees

[dark glade]

leave and pay fees

[frozen bronze]

staying is career suicide

[dark glade]

but then on top of that they would be basically giving over everything they have earned from brands new music concerts ect

[stiff prairie]

we're basically agreeing on most of the things then

[polar owl]

At this point, I am more worried about the stylistic change in their music or outlook. 😅 Guess i don't want the old NJ vibe to go. But I am ready to support whatever NJZ comes up with.

[dark glade]

thats what I did not understand, but me thinking is that the lawyers have spoken about all this with them and they know what their doing

I hope anyways

[dark glade]

yea

[stiff prairie]

cool. just don't believe they're being manipulated and we're tight

[dark glade]

i don't mean like they are "now" I mean they was when under ador as they stated they left

[short laurel]

Hybe in the past spread the case they lost as their win in media.

If anyone it's hybe known for manipulation.

[stiff prairie]

who knows. that's a whole another can of worm better not to open rn

[short laurel]

When under ador they mentioned about manipulated?

[dark glade]

yea but I did not mean now, I should of mentioned that

manipulations can come in many forms tbh, but its not worth getting into it

[stiff prairie]

mmm do you by any chance mean that og ador with mhj was manipulating them?

[dark glade]

nope i mean when mhj left

but again it would just open another can of worms and its to much to even get into

[short laurel]

The cctv case where ador deleted the footage n lied about it. If that, that was manipulating yea

[dark glade]

yes that's what I was on about

[short laurel]

N everything from hybe side on media has been public manipulation

[dark glade]

yes and also they have changed the narritive

by paying off new outlets, its actually scary what you can do with money

[short laurel]

Hybe n it's stans changed narrative so many times the entire 10 months of this drama. N they themselves forgot what they were saying 😂

[dark glade]

lmao so true

[stiff prairie]

i'm just glad this whole conversation didn't go south like i feared. it's ok to have some disagreements here and there. as long as we understand each other's pov and where we are coming from it's ok

[dark glade]

I think once I started using "pov" people understood me more, like ive never used that before I think thats were I was wrong not starting with that

ive learnt something new though when speaking about my oppions use "pov"

[tardy smelt]

gahdamn, i never thought i'd see the day where one of these conversations was resolved mostly in a civil manner. guy was just a lil misunderstood. just gotta ask the right questions.

[stiff prairie]

you should look up strongman arguments. sometimes we don't understand each other's opinion first before arguing which leads to nasty debates.

and well sometimes ppl just wanna fight so there's no helping then

[stiff prairie]

iirc i resolved another arguement a month ago. i'm basically qualified to be a president

[short laurel]

Kinda nice there's no sniper n jinjin on the day on nj new brand announcement

[stiff prairie]

man they'd have a field day today

[dark glade]

I'm just happy in the end I was understood and we all had a civil convo about it

thank you all who was nice

[white arch]

It's all good man, I know the lawyer of newjeans

[short laurel]

No U don't

[stiff prairie]

yo the last part is a bit attacking no? we stay chill pls

[white arch]

https://tenor.com/view/my-reaction-to-that-information-saul-goodman-saul-goodman3d-better-call-saul-breaking-bad-gif-25801565

[stiff prairie]

saul goodman would crack this case fr. or the one from tiktok but he only represents guilty clients

[short laurel]

Phoenix wright would too

[tardy smelt]

mm, people have been arguing about this for almost a year so they're defensive and tired. a lot of it comes from engaging with brick walls. it gets hard to be kind and patient.

[short laurel]

There have been alot of brick walls here now that i recall them.

[split bramble]

they were in a press junket, had to give interviews to reporters and channels from western and japanese media

btw this anti here is stirring up shit all day, and last couple hrs trying to fool others into thinking links related to njz are being taken down

do we have any mod that actually care for the girls over here? clean the place up buddy

[dapper root]

whats up

[tardy smelt]

chill out, it's over

[dark glade]

tbh if people actually read the convos like mods probably did I was not anti or spreading hate and we had decent convos here

thanks to @stiff prairie and @tardy smelt again

and also @frozen bronze for decent convos and understanding and also explaining some stuff to me

I don't understand why people keep thinking im spreading hate 🤷

[dapper root]

trust me been there buddy

[woven umbra]

A lesson we can learn from the girls choosing to go through all of this is the possibility of being brave enough to stand up for what we believe in, to claim our own individual sense of agency and worth against mistreatment from those in power despite the meticulous nature of the law being more beneficial to those with more institutional wealth and authority. In short, fuck the law, and maybe dare to stand up for something you know should be right.

[woven umbra]

Everything they’ve done, including unilaterally terminating their contract, has been technically legal under the terms in their contract. ADOR’s just pissed because they lost and now they’re grasping for straws and playing dirty to try to spin it back in their favor. They fumbled the bag on the biggest girl group in the world atm and they’re literally foaming out the mouth and bleeding out of their tightly clenched nails to regain control of the narrative. Know that.

[tardy smelt]

i fw this mindset so much

[orchid field]

we been knew, njz till I die

[stiff prairie]

the fandom at least the loud portion online definitely should have this mindset. njz are chronically online. they almost see every little thing out there. if they see the whole fandom dooming online it'll put them into a negative mindset as well which isn't preferred

i'm crying lmao

*x -c https://x.com/juantokki/status/1887892763846570408

[harsh dove]

@juantokki <t:1738943684:d>

If you still don’t understand why NJZ had to leave ADOR and HYBE… read this.

#NJZ

[orchid field]

newjeans (taylors version)

[craggy skiff]

Wow. You guys have an interesting argument
Funny to know a good treat = manipulation
I hope someone could give me that kind of manipulation

[stiff prairie]

??

[craggy skiff]

Talking about the way ppl said: "njs is manipulated by mhj to side with her."

[stiff prairie]

oh i thought you meant smth else related to comi. they said they're not talking about mhj manipulating njz but hybe trying to maniopulate them. i thought you understood the opposite nvm

[craggy skiff]

I see. Look like i overreacted by his opinion before 👍

[short laurel]

Haters hating on mhj n calling her manipulating njz cuz they wish their fav had the treatment njz got from mhj.

[stiff prairie]

a lot of hatred comes from the fact that their faves are out there dying on stage performing or not having vacations in years. and newjeans were treated so nicely by og ador. they want all idols to have equally miserable lives

[marble cape]

please no jayz is an actual pdf

[shut kelp]

no deadass jayz and njz in the same sentence is wild man 😭

[white arch]

Why is Jay a Portable Document Format? Thats not possible, u silly -.-"

[marble cape]

ya mb hes a pedo

[waxen musk]

I've seen people suggest NJZ might just avoid Korea completely in terms of media, music shows, etc. (except for paid events like a fan meeting or future concerts). Of course people are jumping to conclusions but I think even if this were true, would it really hinder them?

[split bramble]

you see their face when you enter korea, can you get any bigger there? time to conquer new markets

blackpink set the blueprint on transitioning from kpop to pop

[errant mango]

is this true or it's just another edited text? https://x.com/cutieyoongles/status/1887950765827744059?t=rUA3aSO5EGZ4kGiFC-FjXQ&s=19

Yoongles ⁷ (I saw Sunshine, I'm genuinely happy ♡) (@cutieyoongles)...

@fl9mee @sweeethyphens " I'm going to end BTS here " said that damn shaman and your f*cking PD laughed about it.
Be serious for once.

X · Feb 7, 2025, 7:45 PM

it's a army showing so is hard to trust on it

[sick fable]

They're kind of right though. The contract is technically still legally binding until a court says no. So, yeah this isn't going to end on a good note for them, which sucks.

[errant mango]

banned

your positivity is contagious 😍

[vague shore]

If you talk about technicality, the contract is already broken But the party that was unilaterally terminated can ask for compensation or file an injunction to claim that the contract is still valid Until the result comes out in their favor, the contract is immediately invalid at the moment when it is unilaterally terminated

[dark glade]

idk what your replying too sorry

[wind monolith]

From njz perspective its not legally binding until the court says it is

B milo said it in a better way

[sick fable]

What ador filed is called a declaratory judgment lawsuit, and the purpose of it is for the courts to decide whether NJ's claim of termination is valid. Because contrary to popular belief, NJ declaring the contract is terminated does not mean it actually is, unless they file to validate this termination. Which is basically what ADOR did for them.

Yes, one can terminate the contract without going to court but ONLY if the other party agrees. If the other party disagrees, it MUST be resolved through legal proceedings. Hybe unilaterally terminated their agreement with MHJ and then filed a declaratory lawsuit to confirm that the termination is valid, showing they were prepared to prove the breach. If MHJ disagreed, there was already a pending lawsuit to help her there. (MHJ's shareholder contract also wasn't terminated because she was removed as CEO. It was because she leaked it to an economic news outlet this breaking the confidentiality clauses and breaching the contract).

NJ did not do any of that. And until the court reaches a decision, their contract is legally binding unless they file an injunction to suspend it for the duration of the declaratory judgment proceedings.

[dark glade]

@stiff prairie this is what I was trying to say before but my wording came out completely wrong but people kept saying I was wrong.. Ofc you helped me though but yea this was my concern ^

[dark glade]

Also thank you for like explaining this so well, you are really good at words, I strugled before trying to even word this stuff

[timber needle]

Based on the standard contract, the artist is free to terminate the contract if at any time the signing organization fails to appropriately respond to an official request from the artist to rectify their concerns

ADOR is currently suing to claim that the termination is invalid and that therefore the contract is still legally binding, but the consensus among current brand sponsors, Complex , and the group's legal team is clearly that the contract is no longer binding, and has been effectively terminated. Thus ADOR can be understood to be challenging the claim that they did not adequately perform their duties, and thus trying to invalidate the termination

[dark glade]

we need people to stop speculating you don't know their contract and hybe have made it clear they are under contract, my pov is from above hybe have not confirmed the termination and thats why its gone to court

at the end of the day we aint going to be given their contact so we wont actually know the full facts

like i don't think it'll be released to the public

[timber needle]

Hybe is claiming that the termination is invalid, and their legal team are the only ones that seem to agree. Based on the fact that of the people that are familiar with their contract, everyone other than Hybe believes the termination has occurred, it stands to reason that whatever the contents are closely follows the standard contract, especially given how closely the group held to the requirements for termination contained therein

It is hard to believe that the corporation that was not involved in the writing or confirmation of the contract is more correct in its application than those directly involved

[dark glade]

but at the end of the day under the law, they are still under contact until the court confirms otherwise

Haneul will probably explain it a lot better than me

[sick fable]

Unfortunately a lot of the time, the public opinion amd the court's opinion will be two very different things. And I have a feeling the court is going to rule in Ador's favor.

If you are going to terminate a contract (a legal binding document) you must go to the court to legitimize that the termination is valid. NJ didn't do that

[timber needle]

That is not the case. Under the terms of the contract itself, they are not under contract until the court confirms otherwise. By including specific provisions for a one-sided termination in the contract, to the best of our knowledge, then the legal burden is on Hybe to show that the termination was not justified, rather than on NJZ to prove that it was

[dark glade]

listen to what Haneul has said they seem to understand how contracts work

[timber needle]

If NJZ were trying to claim that the contract was unfair, your assesment would be correct, they would have to follow the same route LOONA did. Because they are simply acting according to the terms of the contract, they do not need to go to court in order to execute its provisions

[sick fable]

Are you able to show that by any chance? I'm not saying this as like a "gotcha" thing. I genuinely wanna see, because I want, so badly, for NJ to win this

[timber needle]

While I am not versed in Korean contract law, at least in the United States unilateral termination of binding contracts, especially in business is entirely possible. Once a breach occurs, the other party is no longer required to uphold their side, unless the party accused of the breach can prove that they did not, in fact, violate the contract. This seems like the closest parallel to the current situation

If anyone followed the Musk buying twitter mess you can see an example where Musk tried to back out, and twitter had to prove they had maintained their side of the agreement to force him to finish the purchase

[dark glade]

I honestly think this is were it gets confusing as I think it’s different in certain countries ?

[sick fable]

^

[cerulean lake]

i mean aren’t ur arguments also related to different countries and not specific to sk?

[wind monolith]

Pre sure we had leaks of their contract during mhj injunction but those dont have proper links too back it up

[dark glade]

Idols contracts will be really binding like look at bambam and the likes of other idols it takes years to get out of a binding idol contract ?

[vague shore]

We're talking about the same thing But as I said, if you want to talk 'technicality,' the contract is not valid. Go read the standard contract here (sry it's korean) (https://www.law.go.kr/행정규칙/대중문화예술인(가수·연기자) 표준전속계약서), under section 16.3, you’ll see that the contract is not valid at the moment of termination.

Of course, if the other party disagrees, this will go to court. But if you talk 'technicality,' there's a big difference because if the contract were still valid, NJ wouldn’t be able to make any business deals. However, since they unilaterally terminated it, they can

[cerulean lake]

yeah but you do know that mhj was the one who reconstructed their contract right??

maybe she didn’t make it as legally binding as we assume every idol’s contract is but that’s something we don’t know for sure

[dark glade]

I honestly don’t know that much about contracts that’s why im asking and reading what others say that understand it a bit more

[timber needle]

As far I know we don't have any Korean contract lawyers in this server, so our best interpretation is based on where the majority of legal experts working on the case seem to end up. With Dior, LV, Vogue, and Complex all having their teams greenlight the girls' postion, as well as Sejong law firm taking the case to court, expert opinion in korea seems pretty solidly against Hybe

[dark glade]

Also I’m sure the stuff she shown if it was the contract that was not allowed to be shown? Do we even know if it was the actual contract or are we guessing ?

[timber needle]

We are guessing based on a preponderance of the evidence

[vague shore]

As I said if the contract is valid they can't make any deals That's the point of 'technicality'

[cerulean lake]

which lawyers have sided with hybe?? the youtube cyberwreckers one?

trying to see if there’s any expert opinion out there 🤔

[timber needle]

Kim and Chang lawfirm, they also would have advised Hybe/ADOR to go for a settlement if they didn't think they could win the case. That may change if they lose the injunction, and I'd imagine Sejong would accept the settlement to get it over with

[dark glade]

Sometimes you never know though with the amount of people in servers someone might have a degree in it. You never know it’s always worth asking

[timber needle]

If Hybe wins the injunction then it's definitely going to court

[cerulean lake]

oh well that makes sense bc kim and chang is their law firm so of course they’re on hybe’s side but that could also be bc hybe hired them just like how njwns hired sejong

[vague shore]

Whoever wins it will go to the appeals court and that's why this 'technicality' matters

[timber needle]

While Hybe could ignore legal advice to settle, I doubt they would as this affair is not going to be helpful for them either and there is relatively little potential benefit even if they manage to win the case beyond helping their reputation a bit. New Jeans will not be a profitable group if they get stuck back with ADOR

[vague shore]

HYBE's plan was to drag this out as much as they can to stop NJ's activities

[timber needle]

Hybe is a business, they wouldn't go this far if they didn't have anything to gain. Old theory that still makes sense is they want the liquidity from contract termination fees NJZ will end up paying if they lose in court

[dark glade]

okays so while I can't say if this is 100% correct chatgpt basically says its 50/50 as idol contracts are so strict

In South Korea, the legal framework around idols and contracts is quite strict, particularly with entertainment agencies. If a company breaches a contract with an idol or group, the idol or group may have the option to terminate or renegotiate the contract, but it depends on the specific terms of the agreement.

If the idol or group successfully gets out of the contract (either through mutual agreement, legal action, or proving a breach), they may be free to sign with a new brand or agency. However, if the contract has a non-compete clause or specific restrictions on signing with other brands or agencies, they could still be bound by those conditions even after a breach, at least temporarily.

In general, idols can rebrand themselves or sign with a new agency, but it's important to review the specifics of the contract and any legal consequences of terminating or breaking it. It's also possible for the idol or group to face legal battles if the original company decides to take action against them for breach of contract.

Ultimately, each situation would depend on the terms of the contract and any legal decisions that are made regarding the breach.

[timber needle]

I am a certified chatGPT hater based on too much experience and familiarity with LLMs in general, it is basing everything off the same or less info than we have, and a whole lot of Reddit

[mild mist]

I wouldn't trust chatgpt with my laundry

I wouldn't trust reddit either

[dark glade]

yea, but that made sense to me, so basically the breach has to be proven I got, and that they are still under contract until in this case the court says their not ?

[vague shore]

That's the standard contract Every contract is based on that one Of course, there are changes here and there, but it should be within the standard contract

[dark glade]

This is the thing I don't understand though does anyone know? "non-compete clause"

[timber needle]

Every contract since 2024 is supposed to be based on that one, but given that we got to see a JYP contract thanks to VCHA YG's lawsuit it is clear that the "standard contract" is far from the norm

LOONA's and fifty-fifty's were also not in line with the posted example we're assuming is much closer to what NJZ had

Thus we don't really have a precedent where this kind of contract has gone to court

[dark glade]

so what does "non-compete clause" mean ?

[mild mist]

usually means you can't join a competing company in the same field for X time after leaving

so if you had a contract with toyota you wouldn't be able to work for another car company for say 2 years

[dark glade]

so basically even though they have renamed themselves they won't be allowed to join a company until after all this is over?

[dark glade]

oh that makes sense I understand you now thank you

[timber needle]

The non-compete clause only applies in the case that Hybe upheld the contract. The case for termination claims that they did not fulfill their responsibilites and thus the non-compete clause doesn't apply. It would have come into play if the contract had expired, but not in a case where it is terminated

[dark glade]

Okays I understand now it now completely I asked it again

If New Jeans (or any group) has publicly stated that they have terminated their contract but it's still going through court, it likely means the situation is unresolved legally. Until the court reaches a decision or the contract is officially terminated in a way that's recognized by both parties, they would still be technically under the original contract.

In cases like this, idols may not be able to freely sign with other companies or rebrand until the contract issue is fully settled, as the original agency may still claim rights over them during the ongoing dispute. If the court rules in favor of their contract termination, they could potentially move on to another agency, but until then, they would likely still be legally bound by the existing agreement.

[timber needle]

^ rather than being unable to sign with a different agency, NJZ will just be found in breach of contract and required to pay the fee if they lose the case

[dark glade]

now that makes sense, now we just need to support the girls through it and hopefully its over fast but the way that hybe works I don't think it would be 😭

[timber needle]

Basically they are sufficiently convinced they will win that they are not worried about needing to pay

They are free to do whatever they want, and at the end of the day the worst case is financial penalties

[dark glade]

but I've been told if for some rason they did not they would have to pay a lot is this right?

like do we even know how much stuff like this costs

[timber needle]

If hybe wins in court, NJZ will have to pay the ~5 times their average annual earnings over the last two years to make up for lost revenue, and the non-compete clause will apply. This is based on the breach of contract clauses in the standard contract

So essentially they file bankruptcy, and the minor member's parents may have to do so as well if they are considered legally responsible for their children's debts

[dark glade]

and if the girls win do hybe then pay them fees or something?

[mild mist]

they should

[dark glade]

that sounds so scary omg

[timber needle]

Potentially, but they would need to sue for that and it wouldnt be anywhere near as much. However, if they win then Hybe will not be able to prevent them from reaquireing the NewJeans IP

[dark glade]

so basically if they win hybe give them the rights to their name and the music?

[timber needle]

They will have to offer a "fair price" according to my understanding, which will end up going to either the courts or more likely mediation/settlement to determine

If Hybe rejects the purchase then NJZ will have to sue to force them to sell, but wont get it for free

[dark glade]

ohh okays that makes sense so they win and then pay a little for the rights or worse case they go bankrupt?

so when it comes down to brands also calling them NJZ like that festival is that even allowed or can that cause conflict also? @timber needle

I'm just trying to understand a bit more like I wish people did this in the first place rather then arguments

i.e twitter thats a toxic place

[vague shore]

Bankrupt? This astronomical compensation is another myth Korean law doesn't allow this

[dark glade]

idk cyco said it as thats how it works in america but idk how it works in korea

[dark glade]

this is what I'm refering too

[timber needle]

The problem is that NJZ made too much money and terminated so early, which is why the compensation is huge

[dark glade]

A new article has also just come out and I trust soompi a lot more then any other k-media outlets

https://www.soompi.com/article/1721245wpp/ador-issues-brief-response-to-newjeans-members-rebranding-as-njz

[vague shore]

That calculation is by the letter of the contract, but the penalty has never exceeded the amount they've earned At worst, they'll pay what they've earned

[dark glade]

oh thats good to know, so basically you can't go bankrupt in korea?

[timber needle]

ADOR's 2 remaining staff working hard to write a whole paragraph

[vague shore]

you can but not in this case

[dark glade]

so with them putting out that staement does that mean now that companys can't call them NJZ its just so confusing to understand ?

[vague shore]

As I said they have no plan except dragging NJ out as much as they can

[timber needle]

Hybe can't do anything to anyone other than NJZ themselves, so companies, news outlets etc are all free to use the name. The company is just being sore losers about it

Worst case its a breach of contract by the members, none of the companies can be held liable

[dark glade]

ohh that makes sense, so basically the companys wont care as they wont get any backlash from anything

from backlash I mean like conflicts or we

[vague shore]

As many people in the industry have said, this whole fiasco is not based on rationality it's one fat man's petty ego

[timber needle]

yep, they just risk reputation damage and needing to cancel any campaigns they are currently running

[dark glade]

So tecq can NJZ headline that festival or could hybe actually stop it if they wanted thats what I'm trying to get my head around

as like nothing like this has ever happenend

[timber needle]

No one can stop it because the court date is too far out, Hybe would have to win the lawsuit, not just the advertising injunction, to try and block group activities. Even then, since they are paying breach of contract anyway NJZ would likely just continue since it wouldn't make a difference the same way the former 50-50 members have

[vague shore]

Yep because there's never been a case where a company sabotages its own artist who is as successful as NJ

[dark glade]

oh okays and yea I understand you milo and I also understand cyco thanks for explaining

so basically they can just do we until the court date comes like they are and then all be decided from there

[timber needle]

They can what they want indefinetely, they will just take financial penalties if they lose in court

[dark glade]

makes sense now thanks

[timber needle]

can probably get around the non-compete clause even with a loss in this case due to the circumstances

[red thorn]

Chance that the exclusive contract is written more humane than any other usual idol contract with common 'slave' exclusivity clause, bc it was during og Ador
If that was the case then, clearly NJ know what they doing and no wonder they have the confidence

[dark glade]

I really do hope this is the case but I feel the contract would not be that lenient

[wind monolith]

If it wasnt leniant i just dont think nj would be this confident and moving this way but that just what i think

[vague shore]

the most likely outcome would be paying some compensation within the money they've earned so far and they'll be free what I'm worrying about is the sickening media play only because of that one ugly fat man

[wind monolith]

Do u guys think well get some sort of info about their contract from the injunction

[dark glade]

Nope that will be kept confidential in the court

As chances are maybe other groups have something similar they need to be careful what the public can see and know

[vague shore]

believe it's scheduled for 7 March, right?

[wind monolith]

Ya

[dark glade]

I don’t think though we would find out info about the contract, well probably get everything else though

[vague shore]

from what I heard, this one is also unprecedented and almost doesn't make any sense

[dark glade]

That’s the thing I was freaking over even though MHJ said she made changes was it made lawfully like is the contract actually updated or not

[red thorn]

A lawyer in other cord has speculation that point out,
exclusivity clause for them was seemingly (given the dispute) written into the ribs of the contract rather than the spine, meaning exclusivity was contingent on contract being undisputed rather than just existing.

[wind monolith]

It feels similar to mhj second injunction cuz the main lawsuit should decide the outcome

[vague shore]

I don't even know why they filed this one because it's like restriction of basic rights but the important thing is the other lawsuit

[dark glade]

Do we even know if it’s even going to be lived streamed

Like I know some courts allow it here in England we had one the other week

[vague shore]

nope I don't think NJ members would be even there

[dark glade]

They have to be there nope?

[vague shore]

their lawyers will be there same like MHJ's injunction case

[dark glade]

Oh I don’t understand that but I thought it looked better them being there? Maybe not idk

[vague shore]

who knows? only thing I know is that injunction doesn't make any sense at all

[wind monolith]

Who knows they might show up if they want too

[dark glade]

I don’t even know about the injunction like I’ve tried to find out but it’s hard finding the actual sources also as everyone online just keeps fighting each other

And the are actual only certain media outlets I would trust in Korea soompi being one but I can’t find out about the injection or w/e info over it

[vague shore]

it's a request for the court to prohibit NJ from signing advertising deals, but this is a ridiculous request because they are essentially trying to prevent them from earning money to make ends meet

[dark glade]

That is ridiculous had it even been passed?

[vague shore]

they should have rather filed a lawsuit to stop NJ from engaging in entertainment activities At least that makes more sense

[vague shore]

Nope AFAIK

[wind monolith]

We might get a similar result as mhj second case theres no point in it because the main lawsuit will decide that factor (my opinion)

But idk the world is weird

[dark glade]

@boreal swallow pinged as requested

[vague shore]

yep that's the point the main lawsuit will decide it so there's no grounds for that injunction

[boreal swallow]

Thank you

[dark glade]

So it’s bad if the injunction goes through they can’t do any activities with brands?

I’m also guessing that would class for festivals as they are also brands?

[boreal swallow]

If the injunction goes through njz cannot promote at all from what I understand

[dark glade]

Sorry I’m correcting the obvious spelling mistakes I’m typing while watching new topia lmao, and okays that makes sense

[lucid yarrow]

i guess that why they doing activity outside of korea bc court stuff is making everything be in limbo

[vague shore]

yes but then they might file another injunction for preventing entertainment activities
but since they've already lost the first one the chances are getting worse
that's why i said it doesn't make any sense

[dark glade]

But if that’s happening in Korea are they technically aloud to do it outside ?

[boreal swallow]

From jeanz standpoint they’re allowed to promote right now in Korea but other companies may not want to work with them because of this legal dispute

As it is not clear who is in the right to many and it could lead to trouble for the brands if newjeans loses in court

[dark glade]

Yea that makes sense as from a ceo point of view it would not look good on your company I understand that

[vague shore]

Yep scaring the advertisers is the only possible explanation, but it will put them in a disadvantaged position in court in the end

[dark glade]

That makes sense, so if that’s happens would that affect all activities everywhere or just in Korea?

[boreal swallow]

All their activities need to go through ador in that case whether they’re in Korea or not which means they wouldn’t get to promote anywhere

They would then have to pay fees to get out of their contract or go back to ador but that will not happen

[dark glade]

Oh god okay that is bad, so maybe they shouldn’t have done any of what they have done ? That’s where I hit cross road and get lost

[vague shore]

'technically' that will go into the gray zone

[timber needle]

This injunction only applies to advertisements, group activities like complex would need a separate injunction

[boreal swallow]

What they did is risking but they technically can win if they make a good case. It depends on what evidence they have. But it could also be very bad for them so you’ll have to wait and see.

[dark glade]

Can this be used against them though like the rebrand ect or will it just be ignored that’s where it gets confusing

[boreal swallow]

Ador will us this entire rebrand in court yes

Because from their pov newjeans is breaching their contract by promoting and taking jobs without permission, opening an instagram account etc

[dark glade]

Oh my okay that’s what I kept getting confused over as then you had people who did not understand it last night like you guys actually do understand

So now I can understand it so thank you

From your pov then do you think it would have been better waiting like was this injunction filed because of it or was it way before ?

[boreal swallow]

But remember just because it will be used against them doesn’t mean njz will get in trouble for it. There is a possibility they can but we have to wait to see the outcome. What the girls can do now is promote and act as if their contract is null and void as that’s what they stated in their press conference

[wind monolith]

Well it rlly comes out to a waiting game i have a feeling that based on the results of the injuction we should get a better understanding of the main lawsuit outcome because the evidence used in this injuction should show alot of what both parties have

[boreal swallow]

Yes this is very true

[dark glade]

Okays I understand now so basically it’s a waiting game the girls say it’s void the company say it’s not and it’s up to the court to decide

[boreal swallow]

Njz themselves could have filed an injunction I believe but that would have been a long process and most likely would have halted promotions. They’re allowed to terminate their contract unilaterally (by themselves) if the other party is not doing their job but ador is saying otherwise which is why they filed the injunction to stop newjeans from taking brand deals

They are within their rights as of right now it just may be hard to defend their decisions depending on the proof ador brings out. Since this is the fastest route for them to leave (and they seemed to want to leave really badly) i don’t believe they should have waited

[boreal swallow]

Yes

[red thorn]

If they waited, that would indicate they being mindful of the former contract with ador which would be contradiction
Ador would use that, so yeah it's better to promote and act as if the contract isn't valid anymore

[vague shore]

frankly, it almost feels like a joke to argue whether trust is broken

[boreal swallow]

Oh I think the opposite lol

I enjoy the girls music and love their personalities but I’d be lying if I said I agree with all the decisions they’ve made which is why I’m curious about this ordeal. I’m hoping they’ll be able to move on from this with the least possible damages

[vague shore]

you don't have to agree with that I'm talking about current situation

[boreal swallow]

Well then yes currently their is a lack of trust between the artist and company which is why they’ll never go back regardless of the outcome of the courts which I respect them for

They’re very brave in my opinion

[woven umbra]

Honestly if this was any western artist trying to break from their label people would be like yaaas queen, but because it’s an asian idol there’s a cultural expectation for them to stay in line and follow the protocol it’s messed up.

There’s a lot of internalized racism amongst and within the kpop world I fear.

[boreal swallow]

Western companies and kpop companies are operated completely differently. Western companies do little for most of their artists, they don’t even put effort in promoting them half the time the artist has to do it themselves. If a western artist wanted to leave then it makes sense. In kpop it’s the opposite the companies do everything, cover the training fees, and provide housing which is the definition of investing in an artist. They are not comparable when contract terminations are being discussed imo

[woven umbra]

That’s not really true, love. I work in music business here, depending on the record label they’re the ones responsible for funding videos, studio time and promotions, media, all that. Kpop is definitely different but I feel like most of it is the training system, but pop stars here have their own development period too especially if they’re being pushed by labels.

[boreal swallow]

Labels have so many artists that are not being pushed??? I just said that no

So much talent goes to waste because an artist is not immediately profitable. Obviously a label with push money into a Taylor swift or an Olivia Rodrigo

I know they pay for mv and studio time. Like all music labels obviously… def wasn’t referring to that love

[woven umbra]

Independent labels are responsible for all that too. Sometimes they’ll outsource funds by applying for grants and stuff but you’d be surprised how much money they’re willing to invest even in an artist that’s just starting out.

[woven umbra]

But yeah this is true.

Chappell Roan was dropped from her previous label for this reason before blowing up but imagine if a kpop idol was as outspoken as she is.. I feel like it’d be damning levels of criticism.

[boreal swallow]

Anyways the reason people aren’t jumping for joy with NJZ leaving their company is because nobody understands why they are upset. From the standpoint of kpop fan they made money right out the gate, had good living quarters etc etc. compared to other kpop groups ,like madein for example, who had a member experience sexual abuse from her ceo it’s hard to see where ador went so wrong for them to want to leave so suddenly. With that being said, and as I said previously here, I think if they want to leave that should be enough for them to find a way to navigate a way out of their contract because they clearly weren’t happy.

[wind monolith]

having ur own label pay journalist to make it look like u flopped ur comeback in japan speaks alot about how ur company is treating u

thats just one example

[woven umbra]

Anyway I just hope the girls win cuz I do think it’d just be beneficial for asian artists in the long run. There’s a reason why their whole team as well as people working in creative jobs within the industry(not the corporate side of it) support them.

[boreal swallow]

The articles saying they sold less in Japan than people initially thought?

[wind monolith]

no the leaked recording of hybe pr telling journalist

[boreal swallow]

I think this will leave a bad taste in the kpop industries mouth with former fifty fifty members and newjeans leaving their companies and promoting soon after. But I’m hoping that it will lead to actually trying to please the artists that are under their companies so they won’t want to leave in the first place.

[boreal swallow]

I truly don’t see how hybe pr correcting figures on sales is mistreatment

I’m just here to support the girls with their new endeavors

[wind monolith]

https://x.com/vanessakangs/status/1850165943860933109

kej ᓀ‸ᓂ 💫 || NJZ founder 🐰 (@vanessakangs) on X

"mhj is paying the media"

a journalist leaked his conversation with hybe pr representative, who tried to downplay newjeans' success in japan and also invited the said journalist to play golf "to be on his good side".

X · Oct 26, 2024, 1:21 PM

[boreal swallow]

Do you have a credible source? A tokki on twitter does not count I fear

Unless they listed their sources let me check

[wind monolith]

one sec

[jolly junco]

a recording with HYBE PR voice is not a source?

even the person on that recording cant refute that recording is real

[boreal swallow]

I’ve listened to the recording I’ve already said how i interpreted it in this thread lol. I was talking about the rest of that twt post

[wind monolith]

i was just sending the recording

i didnt care about the rest of the tweet

[boreal swallow]

The video said, they didn’t sell as well as we thought in Japan we should exclude that from the article and promote newjeans despite our issues with mhj?

[wind monolith]

but if u rlly think hybe pr was fixing sales i am amazed

[boreal swallow]

What about that is bad I’m genuinely asking

[boreal swallow]

I’m going off what they said verbatim?

Welp both of yall are silent… I really wanted to know

[wind monolith]

its hybe media play from my point of view bcz this was during the time of media play

but if u think hybe was being honest so be it

if oricon ranking for 2024 in japan they were ranked second

[boreal swallow]

What’s the point of me watching the video if I’m not supposed to listen to what they’re saying in it?

[wind monolith]

did they really do bad i doubt

[upbeat stream]

They sold about the same as aespa, so no.

These days, no kpop gg except the izone groups sell well in Japan

But it doesn't matter since casual listeners still buy tickets in Japan

[boreal swallow]

In the video it said they sold 1 mil, aespas total Japanese sales are 150k which would me the correction is accurate

[upbeat stream]

Blackpink never sold well, Twice sales have collapsed, aespa and nwjns sell about the same

[boreal swallow]

They sold out their shows yes

[jolly junco]

HYBE was undermining Newjeans achievement in during they japan debut, thats not bad to you?

[upbeat stream]

Not talking about the correction, the part about it being below expectations. To me it seems he doesn't understand the market as well as he should

All the groups I listed can perform domes or stadiums with ease yet sell poorly

Why was he expecting nwjns to sell much better than bp, twice or aespa?

[boreal swallow]

It’s not a positive outlook but is that what you’d deem mistreatment all things considered. That would be a stretch. A true argument that could be made was hybe saying they’d give newjeans a “vacation” imo.

[red thorn]

This not the full recording?
The nuance conversation more derailed in full

[boreal swallow]

That’s very very true

[upbeat stream]

I wouldn't call it mistreatment, no, just plain stupidity

[wind monolith]

my point was if a company is outright trying to make it look like ur doing bad it just doesnt seem right

[upbeat stream]

Can you imagine SM pr saying aespa is disappointing? I know I can't

[jolly junco]

HYBE wasnt just saying that, they want the media to write it like that for the whole world to read

And someone here is asking whats so bad about what the HYBE PR said in that recording

[boreal swallow]

You’d rather let people think jeanz was selling 10 times better than most groups than correct it? I agree that what they said in the call was not kind to jeanz at all but also idk what other companies say about their artists behind closed doors. There’s too much going on behind the scenes

[upbeat stream]

When it isn't even bad at all. You know what was below expectations? Their recent songs' global charting. If the pr guy was talking about that, I wouldn't even be upset

[boreal swallow]

I think it was the promotional style of their latest songs that probably caused that right? Or maybe the genre they were going for? It was well liked on social platforms

[upbeat stream]

Also let me tell you guys something, both foreign and local media and even fucking wikipedia reports circle chart shipments as "sales in Korea", yet no one ever corrects it

Like that happens all the time

[jolly junco]

but they are so quick to "correct" NJ achievement

[boreal swallow]

Getting an accurate reading of sales would probably be difficult for most artists then right?

[upbeat stream]

Like for every aritst, every time. It's a huge issue that needs to be corrected but no agency gives a fuck

[upbeat stream]

Huh?

Not talking about accuracy of circle, but rather that it's measuring global sales, not local

[boreal swallow]

Like where they sell the most if sales are continuously labeled as Korean

[upbeat stream]

Just say it's global

[boreal swallow]

What… are we not talking about the same thing….

[upbeat stream]

.

In fact it's the exact same issue here, the reporter mentioned circle numbers, which are global and hybe pr was quick to correct but when it's korean albums, no one does that

[boreal swallow]

You all shifted the conversation I don’t even remember the initial point I was trying to make 😅

[red thorn]

The point is, covenant of good faith already broke in the air
That kind of PR talk is no bueno

[wind monolith]

it was this

[vague shore]

that's ridiculous

[upbeat stream]

My point is the pr guy was not acting in good faith because these kinds of discrepancies are never corrected in kpop

[boreal swallow]

Oh right thanks

[vague shore]

Either you don't care or you're not up to date

[boreal swallow]

Me?

[vague shore]

yep

[boreal swallow]

What in particular is ridiculous. Also I’m not here to argue I just was explaining why some people don’t understand njz thought process

[vague shore]

dude they're mistreated from the get go and MHJ was only person protecting them

[wind monolith]

they did acc say they r gonna put newjeans on a 18 month hiatus

[boreal swallow]

I referenced that here

[vague shore]

Did you even read the MHJ's injunction result? Hybe was trying to steal NJ's ad and it's even in the court ruling

Not to mention that they straight up lid to their parent after audit

[boreal swallow]

Her injunction to become ceo again?

[vague shore]

Yep

[upbeat stream]

No the first one

[vague shore]

yep that's the first one

[boreal swallow]

What’s her first injunction then

[upbeat stream]

The first one was to prevent hybe from firing her

[vague shore]

and if you didn't see Hybe's media play in korean Don't even get me started

They have no intention of supporing NJ with MHJ or not

[short laurel]

Why we have another wall here. Ppl acting like they know about contract better than party involved. Nj has pretty good lawyers n since nj moved to break contract with them, we just have to accept that contract is gone.

[upbeat stream]

One of the most awful is the Hanni situation. Leaking confidential visa info to the media to incite racism and xenophobia

[vague shore]

This is infuriating me

[upbeat stream]

Like it was so obvious, the media even deliberately used her Viet name when that's not her legal name and she doesn't use it at all

[wind monolith]

the point of the matter is there is ALOT of mistreatment that has happened

[boreal swallow]

Well I didn’t mean to get yall started…

[wind monolith]

to say they have been all happy dilly dallying is just stupid thats what i was trying to get too

[boreal swallow]

It seems you don’t understand my original point then

[upbeat stream]

And they reported the visa expiring in late Jan or early Feb, and well, so far it has amounted to nothing

[boreal swallow]

Her visa is a true issue for promotion though if it expires. I’d rather not have hanni Pham having to leave Korea

[wind monolith]

its not suppose to be made public information tho is it

[short laurel]

Nj has nee agency since they coming back under new name so most likely she already renewed her visa

[upbeat stream]

But we don't know her visa status, ador would only know the visa they issued, not any other type that she would have applied for

[boreal swallow]

Well that’s not how that works

[upbeat stream]

And anyway, it sure as hell didn't need to be public. It's extremely obvious what they were doing

[short laurel]

Why not?

Foreigners need agency to apply for it. Now njz has one. So hanni visa can be renewed through them. That is how it's supposed to work.

[vague shore]

They even leaked that to rumor spreading notorious youtube channel

[tawdry vessel]

hybe plants raiding nj doscord servers pretending they care about nj 🙄

[vague shore]

that's just fucked up company

[upbeat stream]

Yeah with this visa thing, untitled can only be cnsidered an anti

[wind monolith]

again it doesnt matter if its expiring or not y was it made public info thats the main point

[jolly junco]

how many people like him come here asking "genuine" question, acting like they really care about the safety of NJZ career? is this a very carefully planned attack to bunnies? because you guys act exactly the same like the other person before this

[boreal swallow]

How am I a hybe plant? Have you read anything I’ve said in this chat????

[boreal swallow]

I’m not attacking any of you am I

[upbeat stream]

How can you explain them leaking it to the media, @boreal swallow ?

[short laurel]

Both were agreeing to each other from what i read

[boreal swallow]

I can’t they obviously are giving info out

I never said I was a hybe ride or die 😭

[jolly junco]

nah they will keep saying "yeah i agree with you"

but then started to create a new narrative about NJZ is really wrong in their decision to blahblahblah

[tawdry vessel]

yep tHey aRent gEttIng MIstreAted and aLl thEy dO is MaKing bAd DecIsiOns

hopefully that hybes payment is worth it

[upbeat stream]

That's why whenever people like them come here, we should start with either Hanni visa issue or the trainee vids. Will make it clear where they stand

[short laurel]

No i m talking about both the wall were agreeing to each others bs

[upbeat stream]

Because those are the most egregious with absolutely no reasonable defense

[wind monolith]

i totally forgot about trainee video omg bro i got shit memory

[vague shore]

do you guys remember recently they even leaked picture of emptied dormitory?

[upbeat stream]

Why though?

[boreal swallow]

I didn’t say they are making bad decisions. I said they are within their rights to leave the company and that they are truly unhappy with ador now so they should be able to leave. I just thought making an injunction would be the smoothest path without all the harmful rhetoric that is being spewed from all sides but they also wouldn’t be able to promote for a while if they did that which is why I said I understand why they left the way they did

[boreal swallow]

You can look for yourself that’s exactly what I said

[tawdry vessel]

i have encountered a few in tokkivile server.. one thing in common is they all joined jan 2025.. must be a movement or something

[wind monolith]

"it’s hard to see where ador went so wrong for them to want to leave so suddenly."

[short laurel]

N the way they left is totally a valid method with past precedence. U agree or not?

[craggy skiff]

Agree. I dont want to say that first but feel like some little 7 sneaky into this server.
Their questions only make annoying to explain
"They shouldn't not do that", " Feel bad for them", bla bla

[boreal swallow]

I just said they can. Are you illiterate.

[short laurel]

High above u said they can't

[boreal swallow]

No I did not. I never said what they are doing is not within their rights

[wind monolith]

whats so hard to see tho untitled

those r ur own words

[upbeat stream]

The bar to grant an injunction is very high. You always have better chance in the main lawsuit. That is literally what the judge in 5050 case said, claiming the case to be too complex to be determined via an injunction. Did you know that 5/9 Loona members initially lost their injunction case despite severe abuse and complete lack of payment?

[boreal swallow]

I did know that. As I said I understand why they went with the path they did???

[short laurel]

Sorry. I mixed u cuz of same color.

[vague shore]

It's not a matter of rights They're literally being thrown into a sink-or-swim situation
If you don't understand this you better get informed or keep quiet

[upbeat stream]

Then they would have been stuck for 1-2 years if they are confident of winning main lawsuit but not injunction. With this strategy, they are free to work while the main lawsuit drags on for years

[jolly junco]

i guess this is their template question and its spreading everywhere, they cant win this in court so they need to make people doubt of NJZ decisions to make a move

[boreal swallow]

Because from my perspective they were treated well in aspects of promotions and housing etc but as I said they seemed unhappy especially mhj, who they trusted the most, was removed. So why would they stay when they don’t have a relationship with the ador staff replacing the old one.

[boreal swallow]

I. Said. This. Already.

You are all claiming I’m against the girls when I truly am trying to gain perspective.

[steep torrent]

do you think they've been mistreated at all? or is it just this in particular

[boreal swallow]

If I thought they were in the wrong I wouldn’t be asking you lot of all people.

[jolly junco]

then dont say that what the girls doing right now is wrong. They are doing everything right and thats on ADOR/HYBE to prove if they are right/wrong, not the girls

[upbeat stream]

In fact no group will ever file for an injunction should this method work out. I'm not certain but it surely gives them a better chance than the shitty injunction route

[boreal swallow]

I said them being put on indefinite hiatus would be deemed as mistreatment more than that. Look for the message.

[boreal swallow]

I didn’t say what they’re doing is wrong. I reiterated this sentiment 5 times now….

They are within their rights as of right now it just may be hard to defend their decisions depending on the proof ador brings out. Since this is the fastest route for them to leave (and they seemed to want to leave really badly) i don’t believe they should have waited

[wind monolith]

housing was real good eh during trainee days they had some nice cockroach infested dorm

[boreal swallow]

This is exactly what I said 5 hours ago

[short laurel]

They are the best hybe trainee apartment. N hybe stans are proud of it.

[boreal swallow]

They were paid at debut and moved almost right away. The conditions in trainee era would be the same for source trainees at least across the board. I wouldn’t say that’s particularly good but I would imagine most kpop trainees experience this.

I understand why you all would be defensive but if you actually read my messages and stopped making assumptions I don’t see how you’d think I’m against them

And you are all clearly ganging up on me lol 😭😭 none of you want a productive conversation it seems

[upbeat stream]

The reason why groups filed for injunction is so that the industry recognizes it and the group is able to find work without the former label interfering. It was never necessary, unilateral termination is ALWAYS an option for a civil contract

[short laurel]

Sorry if u feel we are being harsh like this. We had alot of people come here saying bs so everyone gets on edge when they c new name here. N i mixed u up with one guy like that who mag be4 yours hours ago.

[upbeat stream]

But as we saw with the JYJ case, even a legal victory is not enough for the industry to treat you fairly

[upbeat stream]

Both Hanni biased lol, that's why

[boreal swallow]

I’m going to assume that your messages are no longer directed at me as I have already stated this thought before you joined this convo and agreed with you after.

[stiff prairie]

what's up

[short laurel]

There were 2 pink color users be4 him. Both agreeing to each other bs, we even had conversation with one yesterday n today he switched gears again

[tardy smelt]

bag a 3rd defuse cake

[upbeat stream]

You are right, I was saying that to reference later when someone else comes in with similar bullshit. I got you

[boreal swallow]

I’ll change my bias to hyein then idk

[stiff prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/kl7-typing-stretching-tired-gif-12366888

[short laurel]

No. I m not talking about u.

[upbeat stream]

Just scroll up lol, shit was crazy

[stiff prairie]

i think it's pretty calm here alr. doesn't need my intervention

[short laurel]

Scroll up alot cake, ull c some users u recognise there.

[jolly junco]

you came!!! thank god, go and fix him

[boreal swallow]

On your backread don’t mention me, I don’t want to argue with people who don’t understand where I’m coming from

[stiff prairie]

yeah lots of new messages. if i see smth i don't like i might get baited to reply. not gon do that if it's alr settled

[boreal swallow]

This server is so unwelcoming I’ll just support jeanz quietly since I’m not allowed to ask questions.

[tawdry vessel]

ehh idk about you guys im not buying the bullshit.. this gotta be a movement.. ive encountered some of these people.. they all say the same things like "nj didn't get mistreated.. leaving hybe was a mistake.. im saying all this because i care"

[boreal swallow]

I never said any of this you idiot

[short laurel]

Ull recognise one user. They again said " nj contract is valid" even though we talked with them yesterday n keep agreeing with the new user talking bs.

[upbeat stream]

You lost me with the Hanni visa thing

[boreal swallow]

I said it would be unfortunate if she had to leave Korea and it was a real issue. I didn’t say hybe sharing it to the media was appropriate did I

[stiff prairie]

you cross a line when you use that word don't you believe? did sb else call you idiot here?

[tawdry vessel]

you did say they only got mistreated once and that the girls were making bad decisions like im not dumb to buy your bullshit sorry

[boreal swallow]

I didn’t say they were mistreated once I gave a singular example. Your are making assumptions

[wind monolith]

i think bad decision was the other dude

[upbeat stream]

You said that as reply to me saying hybe leaking it to the media was evil when we don't even really know her visa status

[boreal swallow]

Try talking to 5 different people asking you to defend your position at once and accusing you of saying stuff when you’ve only said the opposite prior..

[jolly junco]

stop talking to us, just talk to cake

[boreal swallow]

We don’t know her visa status but it will expire eventually and getting a new one will be difficult if ador gets in the way. That’s what I was trying to say. Not that hybe was not being malicious with media play.

[boreal swallow]

You’re the ones who keep mentioning me… so maybe stop asking me questions then I’ll stop responding

[upbeat stream]

Ador wouldn't even know if she applied for F2

[short laurel]

They have new agency, so they not have issue with visa. Besides hanni can apply for different type of visa. There's many options

[stiff prairie]

i understand where you're coming from. going against popular opinion in a place is hard and tiring. but we should try to stay civil no? you guys were near the end of a discourse i noticed. how come you got agitated again.

and others let's stay positive in our wordings. opinions may differ but respect should be there always

[boreal swallow]

They would still come after her once they find out which is why I was worried

[short laurel]

They'll nvr found out. It's illegal for them to look into it.

[boreal swallow]

If she’s working in Korea without them they’ll know she got her visa sorted will they not

[upbeat stream]

And there's nothing to come for her, anyone can appy for F2 if they fullfil the criteria

[upbeat stream]

And why would that be an issue?

[vague shore]

That's the info only she needs to know

[short laurel]

It's non of their business. If they care about visa, they 1st need to prove their side for contract breach case.

[boreal swallow]

I was simply tired of saying the same thing to multiple people after being accused of thinking differently. I apologize.

[boreal swallow]

Because to them the contract is valid so they would make an issue of it? From hannis perspective she is free to do so like I said countless times

[vague shore]

Once again it's ridiculous because how easy for Aussie to get working visa in Korea especially if you have money?

These are just shitty media play

[upbeat stream]

Huh? You can get F2 even if the contract is valid. It's residency visa not tied to emplyment

[stiff prairie]

thank you. i mean that word caught my eye instantly. if anyone called me idiot i'd think they're coming in bad faith and not for a productive discussion. since i wasn't here from before i'll try not to budge in and see how it goes with you guys

[boreal swallow]

Then how would she work without a work visa and only a residential visa

[upbeat stream]

You can work in any field with F2

[craggy skiff]

the idea her visa is an issue is a funny thing to me.
I mean now she leave ador, then technical in a short time she will dont have any job so why she need a company to apply E5 working visa(is the name correct?). just basic type is enough to stay at SK
If she already have new company to work, then why apply a E5 visa is a problem?

[upbeat stream]

Have you never heard of resident visa in other countries lol?

[boreal swallow]

Then why would there need to be a distinction between a working visa and a residential visa if you can work on both?

[short laurel]

Them having visa issue with the 1st few faces ppl c when entering korea. 😂 It'll only make sk look bad imo

[upbeat stream]

Because one is tied to your employer and the other isn't

[vague shore]

There're way more way to get working visa You can even invest by yourself

As I said none of this really matters

[short laurel]

They are different levels of visa. F2 is higher than e6

[boreal swallow]

Then it’s a nonissue.

I was worried because I thought otherwise. Sue me.

[short laurel]

Sure, I'll sue you

[boreal swallow]

Do you even know what that turn of phrase means

[stiff prairie]

looks like we're done here. i don't see anything productive coming out rn. arguing for the sake of arguing isn't gon help anyone

[upbeat stream]

I'm an immigrant myself on a resident visa (not in Korea btw), and if I lose my job, I won't be kicked out of the country

[boreal swallow]

Under what circumstances would they ask you to leave

[short laurel]

I m joking chill out man

[stiff prairie]

[boreal swallow]

How are you going to joke with me when majority of you were being quite hostile

The people I was speaking to earlier where much more approachable

[short laurel]

As i said countless times, i apologised i mixed u up with someone else n moved on.

[upbeat stream]

Criminal record I guess? But why are we even discussing that?

[boreal swallow]

See. I ask a simple question in good faith. I was curious because I would imagine there were rules behind getting a visa. And you are being just rude. Who knew you could just stay in a foreign country, with no job, for the entire duration of the visa unless you commit a crime.

[upbeat stream]

Sorry, I'm not in a good mood, but yeah pretty much

[stiff prairie]

Anyways we crossed the productive part of the conversation long ago. Let's take a chill pill everyone

[boreal swallow]

Are you a mod by chance

[stiff prairie]

no but i like to keep it peaceful here. cause once things really go out of hand they lock this thread so no discussion can be made

[boreal swallow]

IMO if people will act like this then they should close this thread. Anyways I apologize. I’ll remove myself from speaking here now. Thank you for trying to keep things peaceful.

[short laurel]

I'll tag this again in case u didn't c

[jolly junco]

ok bye

i'll wait for another one like you to come, its just like a scheduled "productive discussion"

[stiff prairie]

on another topic

taly's vid has bot commenters now probably

[short laurel]

Probably

[wind monolith]

stay tuned for next weeks guest on Nj updates 🫡

[short laurel]

Today alone we had 2. Wdym next week. It's going to be tomorrow

[wind monolith]

it just sounds better when u say next week😭

[vague shore]

I won't budge Everyone should be on edge because HYBE is known to have at least two reverse viral marketing companies TAG in the US and Minglespoon in Korea They've even been flat-out caught using bots in Korean communities

[jolly junco]

they keep popping up everytime NJZ have a good news, trust me

they'll come again on march 7

[short laurel]

With same narrative too

[stiff prairie]

i commented on day 1 and today sb replied "as a victim of non se*ual violence...." then went on about typical anti mhj stuff cookie eta controversies etc. i thought they were being real till i saw that they copy pasted same comment multiple times under comments with enough likes. and none of those original comments mentions mhj at all like?

[boreal swallow]

Well I never said I was leaving the server I just don’t want to speak to you as you’re the queen of making assumptions and saying that I said things when I never did

[jolly junco]

yeah right

[short laurel]

Just block each other

[boreal swallow]

You’re clearly choosing not to look at my entire chats since I’ve been in the server. It’s not that long

[short laurel]

Mhj somehow always come up in comment section on topic about njz everytime by haters. It's annoying to c

[stiff prairie]

i was actually sympathisizing with them first and tried to say how a lot of it was unproven misinfo. then i got hit with the reality. we just have a lot of haters. taly's vid has 25k views. i think that's the most view on a vid of intl bunny. they're mad

[jolly junco]

25k views is the most view???

[short laurel]

For talys video yea

[jolly junco]

in tiktok or youtube?

[cerulean lake]

youtube

[stiff prairie]

i haven't seen any njz positve videos at all in yt. not like those narrative type vids. only ones that just put ss of statements and that's it

[cerulean lake]

youtube has all those boomers plus young kpop fans that don’t know crap + bots —> leads to misinfo

[stiff prairie]

taly's tiktok with the news of njz announcement has ~250-300k likes!!

[upbeat stream]

Internet's nathan made one, but even he got a lot of backlash

But that was weeks ago

[cerulean lake]

probably bc he used to have a lot of armies watch him

[jolly junco]

i'm contemplating whether i should going back to swim into twitter again or not, i'm happy enough with NJZ ig updates

[upbeat stream]

twt remains our best platform honestly

[stiff prairie]

that one has 21k views only. taly has rep lmao

[upbeat stream]

All the hate is only from those 3 fandoms and they get regularly ratioed by tokkis

[short laurel]

My twt is mixed with trump n elon doing comedy so it's bearable now

[stiff prairie]

these days all hate stuff i see comes from bunnies ss ing hate post or straight up reposting sadly. yesteday was a good twt experience. pop base's twt passed 100k likes and multiple others passed 20k easily

[jolly junco]

with every good news, there will be a lot more hate post

i guess i'll just wait for you guys to share important news from twt in here

[stiff prairie]

i learnt the art of scrolling fast af on any negative twts. even if it's defending our girls it still hits me as negative so scroll past them too

[jolly junco]

i went to twitter yesterday because of NJZ announcement, and i saw a bunch of little 7 fake concerns about how they are in career suicide by doing this

like wtf

then i decided nah this is bad decision, opening twitter is bad...........

[stiff prairie]

dude how did you not fix your tl yet. like all bunnies post irregardless it'll fix the algo for you

[jolly junco]

i got curious 😭 i check all rquote from that NJZ news with 100k likes+++

then i saw a bunch of fake concerns like that

[vague shore]

it's been stressful but good music always wins in the end
i just hope they release a new banger like hypeboy or cookie

[stiff prairie]

why would you do that to yourself. any repost is a no no. even comments should be no no but comments on bunnies' accounts are mostly positive still there's a risk

[tawdry vessel]

It's the same person. One thing in common about these people is they pretend they care about nj but they dont.. they're hybe plants trying to sway some fans and distort the truth

[boreal swallow]

Where did I say they made bad decisions

[stiff prairie]

look i get you. it's the reddit template. but you cannot simply assume he's in bad faith just from that. you gotta give ppl benefit of doubt

[tawdry vessel]

it's the same thing

[boreal swallow]

I already said I wish they did an injunction so ador would get out of the way. But that’s not as time efficient and they don’t need to. I’ve already stated this all.

[vague shore]

dude you keep circling

[boreal swallow]

I’m not circling anything. I made my opinions, and dropped it. This person is taking my text to say I think the girls are in the wrong which I did not say. I’ve already posted the text myself. And agreed there is mistreatment involved so idk why people are trying to find a way for me to be like the typical njz anti.

No amount of clarification will have you see my intentions clearly

I’m just curious about njz next move and their rebrand entirely. That’s what I’m looking forward to in the kpop space which is why i even decided speaking in this server.

[vague shore]

You don't need to prove anything If you really care just wait and see how things are going here That's all

[stiff prairie]

guys we need to move from the mindset of it's my way or highway. there can be 50% agreement between two ppl. i say take it and move on. we can't make everyone see from same lenses eye to eye on everything. lets's just wait it out and see what happens

[frozen bronze]

is this thje same guy from yesterday?

[boreal swallow]

Sigh

[stiff prairie]

no that was comi

[split bramble]

antis come lurk and stir shit and you guys fall for it every time, did it not occur to any of you to not give time to this sad case when he said "the girls didnt get sexual abuse like madein so is it really mistreatment?"

[jolly junco]

the sound like the same person, but unfortunately they are diff person

[boreal swallow]

What I said was some people may not understand why newjeans would want to leave their company as it seems they’ve gotten good treatment by kpop standards compared to sexual abuse cases or not getting paid at all. I didn’t say that’s how I viewed it either. Someone was saying in western industries people are excited when artists want to leave their company but for kpop artists like newjeans they have lots of pushback.

[jolly junco]

nah they are trolling with us, we can serve something for our guest while we wait for another good news from NJZ

[boreal swallow]

How am I trolling if I agreed with yall multiple times

[tawdry vessel]

Pretty much and im tired of giving these people benefit of the doubt. Not buying it

[vague shore]

but that's true even the standard contract in Korea is almost child exploitation

[frozen bronze]

dont want to sound crazy but the way these people talk genuinely looks like theyre paid to pretend like theyre listening to you but keep sprinkling in bullshit, same with yesterday's guy

[boreal swallow]

What am I sprinkling in? I’m staying consistent to what I’ve been saying.

[tawdry vessel]

Do your job but dont make it too obvious

-Hybe tag pr boss

[boreal swallow]

Me saying I think they should be able to leave their company, rebrand, and continue promotions freely should show you how I feel about the group lol. I don’t believe they’re in the wrong

[frozen bronze]

i didnt read this whole convo but i spent hours yesterday talking to a guy that did the same shit youre doing and it went nowhere

[jolly junco]

bruh you wont believe me but when i said their "concerns" are exactly the same with those paid commenter in twitter

[stiff prairie]

you guys getting me sweating. jhin's gon wake up and lock the thread

[jolly junco]

when it happens its your time to appeal for us cake HAHHAA

[boreal swallow]

Why would hybe spend their money on having randos in a discord server argue with tokkis who can’t take in any perspective other than their own

[orchid field]

fr we have njzs best interest in mind those antis dont

[frozen bronze]

if you genuinely understand this case and have been following for a while, and support the girls and trust them, theres nothing to be scared of right now

[steep torrent]

unrelated but just curious what do you think about mhj?

[vague shore]

actually it's because one fat man's petty ego

[orchid field]

thats all we need to know

[jolly junco]

because we are the biggest NJZ server on discord

[boreal swallow]

That’s just not true. Their future is not set in stone because they are being taken to court. We can all have confidence they will win but that doesn’t means fans can’t be nervous

[stiff prairie]

server joining date?

[boreal swallow]

Except I only started talking today? Ive been sitting here for a month saying nothing

[frozen bronze]

im not nervous because theres no reason to with the facts that we know

[boreal swallow]

Okay but that doesn’t apply to everyone which is what I’m saying. I can be nervous you don’t have to be

[tawdry vessel]

the twitter acc and carrd.. no nj stuff is found

[orchid field]

speaks VOLUMES

[boreal swallow]

I just said the rebrand got me interested which is why I spoke today?

[frozen bronze]

same exact scenario as yesterday

[jolly junco]

but i'm not nervous as a fans, because we been knew they would win this shit

[orchid field]

buddy you are with njz or against njz its thats simple

[vague shore]

true that

[boreal swallow]

How many times do I have to say I support them 💀

[orchid field]

so act like it

[wind monolith]

this we dont need others negativity

[frozen bronze]

i understand that you can support nj and be concerned for them, but it just doesnt really apply to this court case

[boreal swallow]

How am I not wtf

[jolly junco]

if you been following NJZ ever since 22 april then you know they would win

[tawdry vessel]

a few weeks ago i have encountered some and saying the same things in another nj discord server.. all joined in january 2025

[jolly junco]

if you know what the girls been saying all the time thru their live then you know they would win

[boreal swallow]

I’ve supported newjeans as a casual since 2022 and bought their album… I didn’t know I had to be a nwjns super fan to speak here or have an opinion

[jolly junco]

if you read all the interview from MHJ and her talk show, and everything team bunnies did, then you know they would win

[frozen bronze]

just inform yourself this shit goes deep

[stiff prairie]

@boreal swallow look even tho it's hard i wanna believe in you. you have the best interest of the girls in your mind right? so tell me is it better that all bunnies go around online dooming and saying things like they're not going to win or this is a bad decision or should bunnies stay positive and support their decisions? as a fandom.

i'm tying to change topics since previous talks lead to nowhere i'm trying to establish common ground without unnecessary arguments

[jolly junco]

HYBE failed to create a discord between the members and their parents

now they want to create something in the fandom, they know the girls are always lurking in the internet

if bunnies are affected by some propaganda, then obviously it will affect NJZ as well

i'm not falling for this fake concerns shit

[boreal swallow]

I do think tokkis should be positive as it’s a difficult time for the group. They are going through changes and difficulties they probably never planned for in their career. Having a stable fandom ensures success in whatever path they choose which is why njz should be happy they have bunnies. But you can clearly see they’re assuming the worst based off past interactions with other people. And majority of people making judgments on me have not even seen everything I’ve said. If I have an opinion I phrase it as such. If I have an idea of what a general group of people think I’ll put it that way. There is a clear distinction in all of my messages which is why I’m confused when my hypothesis’s are being pushed at me like I’m the one with those thoughts.

[vague shore]

dude people here have invested in them way more than you, so preaching here on day one doesn't fly here

[boreal swallow]

Im not preaching. I haven’t told anyone else what to think?

[cerulean lake]

personally, ik you just have a different perspective but i think that the fandom is just trying to celebrate and have some fun with the stuff that came yday. when ppl come in and question about their legal actions especially RIGHT after all of this, it just throws the whole mood off and it makes people sensitive

[orchid field]

it seems like you are not informed of hybe, their execs and their subsediaries wrongdoings.

there are literal documents of belift stealing source material form nj's debut, and the members themselves have already said that their comeback material has been infringed during the contract terminiation press conference.

we had a full album, a world tour and a surprise fan meeting all taken away already by a nonsensical breach of trust claim that started in april 2024.

and not the mention the constant recycling of execs that bang si hyuk shuffles around his subsediaries and the constant neglect of any girl group he doesnt have a hand in

and the fact that he broke the promise to debut newjeans first

you yourself said you dont understand why they would leave ador is already letting us know how ill informed you are

[boreal swallow]

I know all of this already you are not telling me anything new. I am up to date with newjeans information as I have said it’s an interesting case and I hope they see success. Do not tell me what I do or do not know. I have stated newjeans deserves to leave that company if they are not happy and that hybe is obviously spreading data about them to sway public perception. I haven’t said they will regret their decisions or I think mhj has brainwashed them because that’s not what I came here to do and that’s not the sentiments I believe in. I only wanted to speak to tokkis as their new song comes out in a month. It’s a rebirth of sorts and I wanted to be apart of it.

[cerulean lake]

alright i do think and see that you don’t have any ill thoughts abt them..this server’s just been on the lookout bc of previous users that were causing trouble

but i will express my opinion that ur response to the person talking abt hanni’s visa was a little sus at first

[boreal swallow]

The visa thing I said that it is a real issue and I’m worried that she’ll be removed from Korea without understanding visa laws. That person told me she can work on a residential visa and does not need to renew her working visa to keep employment which is why I later said it’s a nonissue. I apologize but besides that I maintain my stance on other things I’ve said because they were not Ill wishes to the members or their fans.

[cerulean lake]

alright it’s all cool

i’m also worried abt the future legal stuff but i’ll just try to be positive as of now

[orchid field]

i read this which prompted me to say all that but I see that I misunderstood and was also on edge. Alot of us have been here before april so we are sick and tired of antis and misinformed bunnies coming into this thread so apologies for being so harsh

[tawdry vessel]

Hope you are sincere and telling the truth. Still not buying it tho

[stiff prairie]

sorry went afk for a bit. looks like you guys sorted it out. thing is if we talk like this both sides can go for hours. in the end we have the best interest of the girls in our mind. and when faced with a negative thought process we take offense to it. mostly because we've been facing hatred left and right for a long time. bunnies are on edge all the time. and new ppl in njcord triggers our past experiences with antis in disguise. let's just say we do the waiting game and see how future unfolds. till then let's just be supportive of the artists that's all.

[short laurel]

Mhj treated them nice. As soon as mhj was out of ador, new ador treated them bad. They didn't even even tried to protect girls when hanni complained but instead treated her like she's a lier. Ofc girls wanna leave ador

[tardy smelt]

for what it's worth, i don't think any of your concerns about their decisions have been unreasonable. but with all questions these days, time will tell if what they're doing now is the best decision because no one knows the truth rn except those involved. no use overthinking it. atp just watch it unfold and enjoy what we get out of it.

[split bramble]

when they wanna talk court case, visa and other doomer stuff when njz released so many good news yesterday it should tell you if they're really fans or not

[stiff prairie]

some people might be inherently pessimistic we can't say anything for sure

[boreal swallow]

||I didn’t bring those topics up others did so please do not put that onto me ||

[short laurel]

So new music soon. Lets celebrate

[boreal swallow]

Yes we’ll have to wait

[boreal swallow]

Yes they said they have one song prepared but I’m hoping there is more in the works

[jolly junco]

bunnies stationhead are in a dilema, do we ask NJZ to create new station or we keep using bunnies station that owned by HYBE?

we been talking about this between us hoster

[short laurel]

If it's owned by hybe, then abandon it

[stiff prairie]

i never used stationhead but didn't know they were tied to companies

i thought fans always created them

[jolly junco]

the syndicated one are not owned by the fans

[split bramble]

new, not keeping things owned by piggy

[jolly junco]

us fans can create our own station, but if we syndycated to 1 fandom everytime we host we will automatically play for that fandom

[vague shore]

maybe their new company will do it?

[short laurel]

Yea it's up to the new agency

[jolly junco]

i guess we will have to wait for further announcement

[stiff prairie]

what's syndycation? like sync?

[jolly junco]

each fandom have their own syndicate, stationhead owner can apply to get a badge for that syndication. When we got the fandom badge, everytime we go on air our station will syndicated to that fandom. Everyone who came to bunnies station will get to hear the song the station play

[stiff prairie]

what's the difference between company's syndication and fan's syndication then?

[jolly junco]

there is only 1 bunnies syndication

we cant create another bunnies syndication

[stiff prairie]

then how will you guys delete(?) hybe's syndication

[vague shore]

maybe create BNZ one
I saw their interview with JAPAN TV and they know 'BNZ'

[jolly junco]

yeah i saw this interview, i love the name BNZ

[vague shore]

yep NJZ + BNZ

[jolly junco]

if we really become BNZ its like we all start fresh together with NJZ, which i love

[stiff prairie]

mercedes BNZ

[tardy smelt]

do y'all think they'll promote their new song in korea like they typically do with music shows and all that? i'm very curious to see what the rollout will be like

[jolly junco]

promoting in music shows is expensive........

maybe they can be creative and doing something different for a promotion

[vague shore]

I think it all depends on what's their new agency

[jolly junco]

since they are not tied with the status quo anymore

[tardy smelt]

yeah, i think it'll be unorthodox

[vague shore]

If it's a big company like sony or warner they'll do the same I guess

[jolly junco]

MHJ is crazy so she'll think of something

but the girls are even crazier sometimes i know they will surprise us with the unusual promotion

[tardy smelt]

these type of questions make me excited for what's to come

[stiff prairie]

that's why i love this concert thing. bag some money beforehand use that to promote elsewhere

[vague shore]

You know there's even some rumor that Netflix would make a company with them

[jolly junco]

whats concert thing?

[stiff prairie]

complexCon

[tardy smelt]

love a good rumour

[stiff prairie]

netflix ain't got no money for idol groups bro

[wind monolith]

y they keeping the company under the rug😭 plz njz tell me im begging

[jolly junco]

i guess they will announce the agency on march 23?

[vague shore]

haha i know it's just a rumor

[jolly junco]

once the song available on music platform we will know about it too

[tardy smelt]

i think in the live, Hyein said they're still finalising things

[stiff prairie]

yeah she said they'll announce it soon

[wind monolith]

ya ik i just wanaa know if its a big company or no

[jolly junco]

i dont really care if its big or small, as long as they let the girls do what they love

[vague shore]

Speaking of rumors, there was even one about a collaboration with Charli XCX

[wind monolith]

true

[vague shore]

maybe they'll do hyperpop this time

[stiff prairie]

where do y'all keep hearing these lol

[jolly junco]

but as hanni said, nothing is holding them back anymore so i trust the company will not be like hybe or sm who control everything their idol do

[vague shore]

just korean community lol

[stiff prairie]

i don't even believe dani GD thing. and that has a picture attached to it

[vague shore]

But you know what? Some of those rumors have turned into reality like Hyein singing in IU's album

[stiff prairie]

man if it becomes true 🥲

[tardy smelt]

y'know what, could MPLIFY (Olivia's label) be a possibility? i didn't see anyone bring it up before

[vague shore]

isn't it Warner Korea?

[tardy smelt]

yeah

[vague shore]

It's possible

[stiff prairie]

is krystal a group or single person btw?

[tardy smelt]

"MPLIFY, a progressive label dedicated to support Korean artists with international connections. By concentrating on English-language music, MPLIFY aims to help these artists engage with a worldwide audience and succeed in the international music scene."
"The label represents a fresh approach to music production and artist management, granting musicians the creative freedom to express their distinctive voices while targeting audiences worldwide. It aims to build a global fanbase and support artists in navigating the complexities of the international music landscape."

it'd align with their creative philosophies, presumably

[stiff prairie]

they're signed with bana saw somewhere yesterday. i'm just trying to guess if bana actually would take in a whole group

[frozen bronze]

a person that used to be in f(x)

[vague shore]

that's jessica's little sister

[frozen bronze]

actress rn

[stiff prairie]

ahh i see. still no idol group under them for that matter

[vague shore]

Look I saw this rumors about NJ signing with BANA but I don't think so
BANA is really small company

well It's more like crew than a company

[stiff prairie]

pop base's njz announcement post has 145k likes now btw. never seen any kpop post with this much likes before

[frozen bronze]

bana is most likely imo

[vague shore]

we'll see but it's hard to imagine

[red thorn]

They really need big investment
Recording studio isn't enough for idol group

[tardy smelt]

with how much i've been thinking about the future, i feel like they announced the redebut last week and not just yesterday i need more details now

[vague shore]

Also we need our new phoning 2.0

[stiff prairie]

i really don't see this happening any time soon unless some super big company buys them. like apple or smth

[vague shore]

yep that's why I'm hoping for a big US company

[stiff prairie]

even other groups use weverse which is a no no for us

[short laurel]

this is 2025. they don't need mushows to promote. there are many other ways to promote.