NJZ Updates and Discussion

[sly python]

i agree but at the same time, thats not her style

also prob cant afford to file lawsuits anymore

[short laurel]

Huh? I was asking why juan deleted their post

Loops* not juan

[waxen musk]

MHJ didn't delete her posts. Loops did, because Loops didn't censor something that MHJ did.

[red thorn]

Yeah that

[vague shore]

sry my bad

[hoary frost]

what is this?

[short laurel]

Mhj reply to mediaplay linked below that msg

[waxen musk]

Still nothing new I see.

[vague shore]

It’s nothing but HYBE’s desperate attempt at media play If they were smarter, they wouldn’t keep reusing the same formula over and over Now, people just laugh and curse at Mr. Bang yet again whenever they see these media plays from outlets connected to HYBE

[waxen musk]

So much of this media play originated so long ago that I have forgotten what the last "new" subject of media play was.

I will say that I have seen people even outside of the usual K-pop spaces tend to believe or suspect this topic to be true more than most, which is unfortunate.

I cannot wait for everything to be properly verified through the courts.

[vague shore]

Yep, there’s a lot that will come out in the court I just can’t wait for the moment when the truth is revealed like who tried to take the Apple ad from NJ to give it to someone else, and what other comments about NJ are hidden in those 40,000 leaked documents
Can't wait

[stiff prairie]

What is this referring to? Smth new or already leaked before?

[tardy smelt]

the article below that rdmgtr posted

[stiff prairie]

i saw that using google translate but since i've never had any luck using google lens on pictures i don't know if these leaks are same as previous leaks or new

[tardy smelt]

yeah idk either

[stiff prairie]

in any case mhj's response to the text seems well put. i appreciate asking for her side of story for once at least

[orchid field]

Holy shit bsh actually getting cooked in a allkpop facebook post comment

All it took were another boy group’s fans to be able to finally match the hybe stan’s fuckass energy

[stiff prairie]

what happened? spill the 🍵

[wind monolith]

https://x.com/Koreaboo/status/1879624643465859227
i think its about this

Koreaboo (@Koreaboo) on X

ATEEZ's Hongjoong Seemingly Calls Out HYBE And Bang Si Hyuk In Bold New Track
https://t.co/rHZuHuRHYZ

X · Jan 15, 2025, 8:20 PM

[orchid field]

Yep just the facebook version

Normally they post nj news because that gets views and the comments would be old karen armies dogging on the girls or mhj

[stiff prairie]

substandard old fart lmaoo

[wind monolith]

this is KQ entertainments response
https://x.com/kchartsmaster/status/1879734319243268310

Kpop Charts (@kchartsmaster) on X

KQ Entertainment shares statement on rumors of ATEEZ’ Hongjoong lyrics on new song ‘SMB’ seemingly being aimed at Bang Sihyuk/HYBE:

— “We have no official position on the matter.”

https://t.co/HQXOuIjTS2

X · Jan 16, 2025, 3:36 AM

sooooo imma go with it was towards hybe

[red thorn]

Lol damn

[stiff prairie]

i keep forgetting how many artists they dragged in those internal reports. h stans might care about the company reputation more than faves but other fans will not stand those bs

[tardy smelt]

king shit

[stiff prairie]

i got a question since i'm fairly new to kpop idk. is there any history of making diss tracks in kpop ever?

[tardy smelt]

yeah

i only know the ones from BTS' rapline

[stiff prairie]

who did they diss

[frigid mason]

yeah its always been a thing, even more in the early generations, these days it's pretty conservative in k-pop specifically.

[tardy smelt]

i don't really know tbh, but just haters in general ig

[stiff prairie]

i see

[orchid field]

Standing on business

[orchid field]

Kpop no? Khiphop? Whole different beast

[stiff prairie]

do they get in each other's skin like kendrick v drake. i wanna see some real shit no nicety

[orchid field]

The history is rich and old. Right now we have sikk starting beef monthly but swings iconic diss was a cultural moment for khiphop which is widely known in korea

Kpop is not the only thing that charts in Korea it’s just severely lost in translation for international media

[opaque torrent]

https://x.com/thegreatgaram/status/1879778634640089475

람짱 // ʀᴀᴍᴊᴊᴀɴɢ (@thegreatgaram) on X

Quick Q&A about NewJeans' contract termination and ADOR's recent legal action.

In a KoreaHerald article from November, entertainment lawyer Bae Jin-sung of Law Firm Myoungjae speculated NewJeans would unilaterally terminate their contract and cleared up some confusion that have

X · Jan 16, 2025, 6:32 AM

[stiff prairie]

i geddit now. i mean newjeans itself was an eye opener for me regarding kpop. before that i had a very specific opinion on how kpop sounds or acts like. and these days i believe there are more music like these in kpop, just not mainstream enough yet to catch my eyes.

[orchid field]

Yep yep korean hip hop definitely has its own characters like how western hip hop has their own kendrick and drake

Beefing and dissing happens all the time

[orchid field]

Great garam carrying my following list

[stiff prairie]

ramjjang gives me hope on my pessimistic days

[jolly junco]

so when is the next hearing for MHJ court? or NJ court? or any court for that matters

[stiff prairie]

mhj has 2 dates march 7/10 but nj injuction will probably have both hearing and ruling before that

[neon igloo]

The reason why he did it. HYBE also brought them a lot of problems

https://x.com/jamiechloe270/status/1879648030649172224?s=46

daebakdreamer (@JamieChloe270) on X

so to ppl who are confused, hybe wanted to merge with KQE (ATEEZ's company) but they refused & since then hybe literally tried to buy up all of ateez’s resources including BBT but the reason you barely heard about it was because everybody except one stayed loyal to atz/kq

X · Jan 15, 2025, 9:53 PM

[stiff prairie]

bbt is their performance crew?

[short laurel]

For context bsh pulled soft blacklist on the group cuz their company refused to merge with hybe, according to fans words.

[jolly junco]

whats bbt?

[lucid yarrow]

hybe sure love be scum and burn bridges instead of hey let be friends another time

[neon igloo]

team of choreographers and dancers who works with ateez

[short laurel]

Ooh i should read everything be4 i repeat things, sorry

[short laurel]

Remember last year that one male singer dissed hybe in their rap early when this drama started, it was milder though

[neon igloo]

Ateez are indeed rarely invited to awards in Korea, but the group is really popular and often gets on the international billboard. There are actually a lot more of these moments, but they are not related to NewJeans, so I don't want to go into detail. We just need to understand that Hybe is ruining the lives of many artists

[stable escarp]

Hehe slowly but surely the whole of kpop will turn on the hybe army

[short laurel]

everyone in kpop is already against hybe army for years now. problem is they are not at the same time. if there's a fandom who had beef with all mid to big kpop acts, it's hybe stans.

[stable escarp]

They are against but they dont say anything until they feel obliged to

[waxen musk]

https://t.co/iIzY2Yi61Y

[short laurel]

my brain too messy to understand news english. tldr pls.

who was person A and B here ;_;

[neon igloo]

main point: Person A - a person who filed the complaint. Person A shared online the Labor Ministry's response stating that "Hanni is not considered a worker under the Labor Standards Act," which also became news.

The article talks about how Person A doesn’t understand why they’re being linked to MHJ and NewJeans when this person don’t even work in the entertainment industry.

[short laurel]

ohk thx

[upbeat stream]

Wiretapped communication is not admissable in court

So this is just mediaplay which doesn't even work because the public has long made up their mind

[stable escarp]

This about Hyeins uncle and mhj?

[stiff prairie]

I was having a good vibe about newjeans on rednote but it got ruined today. Somu leaks is out there unprovoked. And it has that blue search that leads to more of those leaked videos. Idek what the comments are saying. We gon need better representation on there before h stans start doing their things on that app as well

[short laurel]

which side chinese fans are on?

they gonna have good counter if chinese are supporting NJ. they can be really cruel sometimes.

also tiktok gonna become somewhat clean soon xD

[stiff prairie]

I have no clue lol. I was scrolling on the search and saw a vid of a girl doing the heel dance like it's a dance challenge

[upbeat stream]

I think East Asia is largely on newjeans' side. There are antis everywhere of course, but for the most, they are pro-nwjns

[stiff prairie]

Maybe they don't even know that it's leaked w/o permission or not

[short laurel]

if it's true, hybe stans won't stand a chance on little redbook. also they are already banning foreigners there

[stiff prairie]

In general I think they are more on NJ side. I'm getting mostly performances on my fyp but the quality looks better than TikTok for some reason. Haven't found those cheap commentary videos yet so nothing negative besides the one I mentioned before. And occasionally I see a few English comments asking to be moots that's it

[short laurel]

whats moots ?

[hoary frost]

Mutuals something like friends ig

[short laurel]

ohk

[polar owl]

Sorry, this is going to be long. Guys I am no lawyer, but can someone help me understand this:

1. ADOR filed a petition with the Court, seeking legal confirmation of the contracts’ validity.

2. Ador subsequently files injunction to prevent NewJeans members signing independent advertising contracts.

Two options (if the take takes up this injunction immediately):

1. The court asks for status quo - meaning unless court decides if the termination of exclusive contract is valid, NJ stays exclusively under Ador, agrees to perform all planned activities and cannot sign independent deals.

2. The court dismisses the injunction saying that they cannot put any such restrictions till they decide on the first lawsuit. Since one of the parties in the contract has withdrawn, the other party has no rights to enforce any restriction until it's proven that the separation was invalid.

And why do I feel Option 1 is most likely outcome.

[flint stone]

Nj won't continue activities under ador, they would have to pay penalties for termination of the contract
*in case court decides that contract is valid

[stiff prairie]

mmm look at it in this way. idk how deep in kpop you are. somu terminated garam's contract and it was instant that she is not is lsfm anymore. even if she filed a lawsuit she wouldn't have been in lsfm untill the results went her way. and even if results went her way lsfm didn't have to forcefully keep a girl they didn't want. they would've had to pay a certain amount and settle. it's the same way here just opposite because only company's don't have that right to terminate the contract. now the act of terminating contract has to have a reason which was discussed long ago for the case of newjeans like failure to correct infringement from outside etc etc.

now what can happen is court says that no, the reasons nj showed weren't sufficient enough for contract termination. still the company can't force them to stay there. there's a ramjjang post i'll look for in a bit. what they'll have to do is ask court to determine what should the fine be since they're losing money which they could've earned if the girls were still there. the girls will have to pay it and move on. that's the worst case scenario. and even before that we'll have the injuction on ad deals. we're hoping court will say that ador doesn't have the right to stop them from earning livlihood by themselves even if it's revealed later that the contract termination is invalid in the mean time

https://x.com/thegreatgaram/status/1879778634640089475

람짱 // ʀᴀᴍᴊᴊᴀɴɢ (@thegreatgaram) on X

Quick Q&A about NewJeans' contract termination and ADOR's recent legal action.

In a KoreaHerald article from November, entertainment lawyer Bae Jin-sung of Law Firm Myoungjae speculated NewJeans would unilaterally terminate their contract and cleared up some confusion that have

X · Jan 16, 2025, 6:32 AM

[polar owl]

Thanks a lot for clarifying.

I understand that the court cannot ask NJ to continue working under Ador, even in the interim.

Lawsuit 1 - The court can only decide whether the contract was terminated legally, or would NJs actions constitute a breach. Hence payment of fines or not.

Lawsuit 2: Agreeing to the injunction is like restricting the rights of a party who has withdrawn from the contract (like denying them livelihood) and forcing them to work under a certain non-existent clause.

Now I feel this injunction will be dismissed 🙂

[waxen musk]

I'm putting a lot of trust in everyone's explanations on these topics but they do make it seem a lot more optimistic than a lot of us are feeling.

[polar owl]

Yeah, i am feeling kinda doomed. I am proud that the girls have more courage and conviction than me / some of us. Hope they have the right resources to support them.

[wind monolith]

[short laurel]

1st lawsuit is only to determine validity of contract. whatever court says Ador will have to file another lawsuit to demand for penalty from girls.

is my understanding, since they didn't sue girls.

[polar owl]

Ok

[acoustic verge]

Honestly, I don't think I've heard enough from NJ as to how they can get out of their contract. I'm hoping for the best, but expecting the worse. And they simply would not have the money to 'buy out' of it. The penalties are incredibly steep. Hybe's market valuation dropped over $400 million when they announced their exit.

[wind monolith]

The buy out posted by articles have kept on changing we rlly have no idea what the buyout will prbly be

[acoustic verge]

we don't but we can guess that Hybe will point to their market valuation drop when seeking damages due to breach

[wind monolith]

And for what we have heard from nj i think has been enough they have given there rzns to y its terminated its adors job to prove them wrong which i dont see happening since all ador has done is mediaplay

[acoustic verge]

i'm sorry, but no Kpop artist makes enough to really buy out

[acoustic verge]

No, NJ has the burden of proof here. Not Hybe.

[wind monolith]

Im pretty sure ador has the burden of proof.

[acoustic verge]

Sure. Ador technically.

Getting out of a contract is a uphill battle, for any side, because they are usually well laid out as to what qualifies as a breach and what the remedies are.

[wind monolith]

We just gotta wait and see injunction should tell us alot

[acoustic verge]

Yeah, I of course don't have the contract, but odds are in Ador/Hybe's favor. But hoping for the best for their career and mental wellbeing. Being stuck there until their contract runs out, i'm sure, would be hell.

[stiff prairie]

how do you view it like that tho? i'm not that much of a hopeful person either. but all those things that came out like talks about ending newjeans in internal reports, leaking stuff that only hybe has access to, not addressing/deflecting concerns of hanni's allegations against the manager, calling up charts to exclude newjeans from brand rankings, reducing their published numbers etc has to have some sort of effect. and these are only the things we know because of whistleblowers and stuff not the whole picture

[warm shard]

As far as I know the NJ contract was made so that if they terminate, they can do it. Basically if a situation is something they consider breaks the contract terms (such as loss of trust), they can terminate. Now NJ says the contract has been terminated, Ador says it wasn't. If Ador didn't do anything, it would mean the contract is terminated indeed. But they did, so it creates a conflict. Now the burden is on Ador to prove NJ are overreacting and they didn't give them any reasons to lose trust, that's how I understand it

[polar owl]

Add: Not being allowed to work with advertisers or produce music independently or with another party.

This would qualify as "the process being the punishment"

Even if someone wins after years of struggle, you have effectively destroyed their careers.

[faint oyster]

I'm worried that some fans will start to lose patience after waiting so long, and that the group's popularity will start to decline.

[polar owl]

Hope the judges are cognizant of this. The power dynamic here is crazy - artists probably losing their audience at the peak of their popularity vs a well entrenched organisation delaying their profit predictions for a few quarters.

[acoustic verge]

Because contracts can't be terminated for just anything. The claims have to be SUBSTANTIAL enough to terminate. As far as I know, the Hybe whistleblower only provided some text pointing to Illit copying them. That's not really grounds for contract termination. Hanni's claims are really the main thing I've seen pointed out, but I don't think it's enough for a complete termination.

Please do not underestimate the legal strength of a contract. They are not easy to break.

[acoustic verge]

I doubt it's that easy. That's incredibly vague. I don't see Hybe/Ador writing a contract that flimsy

[waxen musk]

People were saying this before and DURING the 2024 comebacks. Then at the end of the year we were shown how popular they remained. People aren't forgetting them just yet even after yet another long time since their last release.

[wind monolith]

Theres also hybe undermining nj success in japan by paying news outlet to show it flopped. Theres alot of rzn y terminating the contract can happen

[stiff prairie]

i see. we have differences in how we view those things i mentioned. it's upto the courts anyways. let's see what happens ig

[wind monolith]

They r not terminating bcz illit copied them or bcz of the hanni situation

[acoustic verge]

Yes, if Ador did nothing that would essentially be a mutual agreement to terminate. I would think there would have to be additional legal agreements signed, but that's fine . But they did do something, so that's a moot point now.

[short laurel]

that's the entire goal of hybe. that's why this many mediaplay.

[acoustic verge]

Yeah, I don't believe that claim

[wind monolith]

There is evidence to that the audio recording

[acoustic verge]

If so, then they can add to their evidence

[storm warren]

and they will

[short laurel]

in kpop industry court has sided with artists over change in staff. for NJ the main producer was removed as soon as BOD of ador was changed.

[warm shard]

I thought MHJ gave them that contract? People say it based on the contract guideline released by one of ministries I think. I've heard of the rule being referred to as repudiatory breach of contract but I'm no legal expert, obviously

[storm warren]

NewJeans contract is based on the standard exclusive contract

https://x.com/njbubblegum/status/1859622006817423424

[acoustic verge]

No MHJ wasn't removed as their producer, but as the CEO for Ador

[storm warren]

However, agencies can alter and put conditions in contract as they fit it. There are contracts that are restricting like the one we saw in VCHA case and there is standard one, which is probably as fair as possible. I think ador/mhj drafted the basic standard contract with fair conditions

[acoustic verge]

well she quit as producer herself I should say

[short laurel]

both artists and company has right to terminate contract if there's enough breach of trust according to korean law. provided they follow some guidelines like giving 14 days warning to correct the mistakes.

[storm warren]

every artist had the right to terminate the contract. They need to follow legal procedures to do so. The law requires to give "agency" 14 days to correct all breaches that occurred. If agency fails to perform its duty, then singer can terminate contract.

newjeans sent request to correct all serious contract violations. they had 7 points listed which remained unaddressed by ador, hence, termination was justified

[acoustic verge]

only if breached and it has to be settled in court

[short laurel]

that was later on. she was made internal director. when she was being replaced as ceo and producer. hybe ceo back then told parents they'll look for new award winning producer for NJ which will take 1 and half year.

[waxen musk]

I'm having deja vu with all this contract talk.

[stiff prairie]

same. i'm just watching this time. i'll just butt in when things go south before thread gets locked again lmao

[short laurel]

both parties have equal rights in contract. if companies can do it so does artists. reason artists struggle through court is bcuz they not have enough resources to fight the way NJ are doing. but there has been precedence of this and aritsts winning.

[acoustic verge]

A contract is a legal document. If there's a dispute, it's settled in court. There is a dispute, hence where we are at now

[storm warren]

1+1=2

[short laurel]

yea it's a dispute. so upto court to decide and if NJ wins. NJ method was valid.

[warm shard]

The dispute is because of Ador's actions, not the termination

[acoustic verge]

Never said differently. But the courts will decide. They are still under contract until settled

[short laurel]

ofc it's an IF but as i said there's been precedence of this.

[storm warren]

this is false

[acoustic verge]

Um. What group has done this?

[waxen musk]

Lock the thread and reopen it when everybody provides proof they've backread all this dicussion from days and weeks ago.

[stiff prairie]

shutup bro. it'll get locked for daysss

[short laurel]

they are up in thread. let me look for it.

[acoustic verge]

They are still operating under the name NewJeans which is without a doubt owned by Ador and are using Ador's facilities. Yeah...definitely still under contract right now

[storm warren]

???

[stiff prairie]

they're not tho?

[wind monolith]

They are not using ador facilities and not using newjeans

[storm warren]

it seems youre not updated on issues

[wind monolith]

Where r u getting that from

[short laurel]

https://news.mt.co.kr/mtview.php?no=2019051713348229203#:~:text=최근 한 연예인이 자신,깨졌다는 판단에서였습니다
https://www.scourt.go.kr/portal/news/NewsViewAction.work?seqnum=6812&gubun=4

[acoustic verge]

They were using NJ name just the other week at the awards shows.

[stiff prairie]

they only completed the schedule agreed before nov 29 and even then they didn't introduce themselves as newjeans

[wind monolith]

Seems like u r not up to date they said they finish all remaining activites after 29th the last activite was jan 6th i think. They have left the hybe builiding dont live in their dorms and r not using the facilities

[polar owl]

Someone maintain a bullet point of all discussions and pin the link 😅

[warm shard]

Yes because they were obligated to by contract? They said it themselves that they're going to complete any schedules they have that were signed before the press conference

[wind monolith]

They never introduced themselves as nj at the shows too

[short laurel]

according to the procedure and past precedence. girls just have to fullfill the deals they agreed with ador prior to contract termination date. that's what it was. they had some activies other than those where they simply introduced themselves as their own names instead of NJ and used their own staff instead of ador's

[storm warren]

NewJeans were not using their name, organizers were using them

There is difference. NJ stopped using ador accommodation in early December and only fulfilled remaining contractual obligations. They have never addressed themselves as NJ or even blurred name on pics

NewJeans are no longer under contract. They terminated it and the law can't force them to go back to ador or reverse termination. The validity of contract lawsuit will merely determine if illegalities occurred and who has to pay damages.

[stiff prairie]

i've done this before. in the end nothing fruitful comes out of conversations like this. one side believes the girls are under ador until courts verifies it other side believes the girls are out of ador until court says otherwise. literally no way to change each other's mind on topics like these

[waxen musk]

we'll all find out the truth eventually

[wind monolith]

Better to wait then waste time here

[short laurel]

just cuz people has only seen cases where idols have to sue and wait for court and suffer. they started assuming that as the only method. laws are complex and there are various ways to go about it. understand that there's more than 1 method.

[storm warren]

they are not under ador lol. even if validity of contract is ruled against them, they are no longer under ador. court cant tell them "go and work under ador" lol thats now what lawsuit is about

[waxen musk]

Even if you believe the opposite to be true, the way the girls are acting and behaving is going directly against that and if they get punished for that it will be a monetary punshment, they aren't ever going to work for Ador again, there's nothing that can literally force them. It's really as simple as that.

[stiff prairie]

this tbh

[waxen musk]

But tbh if they can't afford any monetary punishment I kind of have no idea what happens then.

[polar owl]

We will crowd-fund the monetary punishment, although I will hate to pay blood money to Hybe

[short laurel]

going to jyj case. If girls end up losing court will reduce the penalty fees to what is more feasible. companies can't just demand millions with only their own calculations.

[storm warren]

court will not impose unreasonable monetary punishment as it goes beyond common sense and what law considers reasonable

[acoustic verge]

This is true. They can't be forced to work for Ador. But it has to be settled in the courts as to who is actually in breach of the contract and the remedies/damages. If the courts find that Ador wasn't in breach, there is no way NJ will be able to simply walk away. They would not be able to buy out of it themselves. It will most likely be in the 8-9 figure range in damages just based on the $400 million hit Hybe took to it's valuation when they originally announced they were leaving. So they'll have to ride out the contract (usually 6-7 year contracts)

[polar owl]

Also note l that the court can rule against a contract clause if they find it to be unfair, unconscionable, or contrary to public policy.

Also the law offers protections to entities with less power, such as in cases involving labor rights, consumer protection or anti-trust cases. The outcome ultimately hinges on how well you can argue and put your facts up.

[storm warren]

nonsense

do u even read what we write?

[short laurel]

he didn't

[stiff prairie]

-rule1

[tall dew]

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[vague shore]

dude don't be sure about what you don't know

[storm warren]

i asked legitimate question

[wind monolith]

There have been cases before where the court has reduced the buy out value so u cant assume it will be so high

[stiff prairie]

nah i'm just saying before things go out of hand

[polar owl]

We need to chill

[waxen musk]

[short laurel]

[stiff prairie]

[warm shard]

Where is the $400 million figure from? Is it all really just from NewJeans or is it because of all the scandals in the past year?

[storm warren]

from hybe's mediaplay articles

[acoustic verge]

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/k-pop-record-label-sees-valuation-drop-by-420-million-on-newjeans-exit-67286289?utm_source=chatgpt.com

[storm warren]

the number changed from 400b won to 600b depending on how hybe felt the day woke up

[short laurel]

hybe has been in other scandals too. not just NJ. which helped in reducing their stock market.

[wind monolith]

Look at jyj case ador cant just ask for 400 mil and be granted that

[warm shard]

They can't be that valuable I'm sorry just logically speaking

[acoustic verge]

But that doesn't necessarily mean NJ is worth that much. that's the stock market. any damages would have to be presented by the damaged parties and reviewed by the judge

[cerulean lake]

hoping this is like chuu’s case where she WON against her evil ass company

[storm warren]

[short laurel]

even now there's pressure to investigate hybe for the stock market scam BSH did few years back that was revealed few months back.

so reduce in their value is not cuz of NJ alone

[polar owl]

Yeah, trying to determine exactly why a stock falls or rises is impossible.

[cerulean lake]

i feel like there should be damages considered when ador blocked njs from carrying out their activities they were going to complete in 2024 (ex, full album)

even if that’s not how it works legally but all i’m saying that ador is not innocent in this whole thing

[wind monolith]

If ador is found guilty then they will be the ones who would have to pay for damages

[acoustic verge]

No, it was directly tied to NJ exit. the value dropped the day of their announcement

[cerulean lake]

oof bless hopefully the judges wake up on the right side of the bed that day 🥴

[acoustic verge]

Yes, NJ could sue

[vague shore]

Everyone has their own opinion I can provide legal precedents, like why a unilateral contract can be terminated due to a breach of trust in the entertainment business (Court Case: 2016나2027557), or that excessive penalties are invalid (Court Case: 2014다14511) However, I don’t claim to know the outcome, because each case is different, and ultimately, it depends on the judges So, don’t spread your pessimistic predictions here It’s just not true and doesn’t help anyone

[cerulean lake]

well i feel like that was the point. they didn’t sue so that ador had to prove that they didn’t do anything wrong to nwjns. basically ador now has the burden of proof

[acoustic verge]

Ador would present estimates over the period of their contract as to revenues. In America, you would have experts review those to help the judge decided what would be reasonable. Idk about Korean courts

[short laurel]

that day when stock market of the entire kpop industry fall too. it goes through alot of fluctuations. so that alone is hard to say how much. but again hybe's scandal reveal was around that time too. so don't jsut assume it was jsut cuz of NJ.

[polar owl]

It is difficult to prove causation in case of a stock market fall.

[acoustic verge]

Yeahhh, this is more than just a random coincidence. But again, that alone is not what a judge would use to determine any penalties if NJ is found in breach

[short laurel]

stock market are unpredicatable. just cuz it happens next day after NJ's annoucement doesn't mean it was cuz of girls alone.

[storm warren]

no court will impose on NJ to pay 400M usd.

they will take into consideration how much nj generated for ador in the past and compare it to how they will do in the future (which nobody knows) and there is no guarantee that NJ can generate 400B usd. the court considers astronomical amount of money unreasonable especially considering NJ's contribution to ador and kpop.

the court has reason and law. 400m usd is imaginary number

[short laurel]

that is exactly what we are saying.

[acoustic verge]

Not when the event and drop in price happen in the same day. come on guys. i'm in the stock market all the time. there are no such coincidences.

[warm shard]

It's ok if NJ has to pay anything we can convince Mr Beast to pay for them

[storm warren]

and ador committed breaches. they aint winning sh*t.

[cerulean lake]

the stock market drop could be affiliated with nwjns leaving hybe, but the court cannot just impose unrealistic fees on nwjns and expect them to pay for that damage if they were in breach

[stiff prairie]

i think stock price rose up again too. and newjeans still not under hybe

[storm warren]

literally. stock market is irrelevant to the case

[polar owl]

Yep

[short laurel]

guy above saying it fall cuz of NJ lol

[stiff prairie]

mr beast would do anything for clout these days lol

[cerulean lake]

let’s go to another court case of drake suing umg 😍

[stiff prairie]

drake took it back i heard

[cerulean lake]

i thought it was the petition against spotify 😭

[stiff prairie]

ohh now i'm confused. you might be right

[acoustic verge]

Because it did https://www.cnbc.com/2024/11/29/hybe-loses-over-420-million-in-value-after-newjeans-announces-contract-termination.html

[cerulean lake]

and deserved!

[short laurel]

your own comment btw.

[polar owl]

"Quantum computing stocks soar after Nvidia and Meta CEOs tanked them" - what number should D-wave use to sue meta?

[cerulean lake]

hybe probably lost out a lot of money anyways bc of them keeping nwjns back

they decided to get rid of their album and world tour so deserved they lose that money!

[storm warren]

anyways, hybedor aint winning.

[polar owl]

In fact nj lost out as well.

[short laurel]

whatever the case. hybe lost any good will they had in public.

[cerulean lake]

i wish i could stay this optimistic but after recent cases i have to be more realistic. but if hybe wins im actually gonna like leave kpop 😭

[waxen musk]

Anyway I know people want to believe one thing or another but there's always a CHANCE things don't go our way so it's fine to try to understand what happens in that case. But yeah people like to convince me to be optimistic which is completely against my personality type lol.

[polar owl]

Public memory is shortlived unfortunately

[storm warren]

there are not "cases" but mediaplay

[cerulean lake]

yeah that’s what i’m saying . their ego mattered more than them wanting to make money 😑

[acoustic verge]

ok? I never said they would have to pay $400 million. That's just one consideration. I dont want to go in to how future revenues impact stock price and market value, but it would be an additional thing that goes into consideration

[storm warren]

court doesnt care about that, but wtv

[polar owl]

+1 I will 100% never trust SK, forget Kpop

[stiff prairie]

how much is hybe valued at anyways that mere 5% drop makes up $400M

[cerulean lake]

true but with hybe’s connections and how politicians still suck up to them (aka ministry of labor) i still cannot act so optimistic bc hybe will never face their consequences

[cerulean lake]

have no idea, their profit for 2024 was abysmal compared to other companies tho

[short laurel]

again my point was about hybe stock falling is not cuz of NJ alone. there's been other scandals at hybe. and u presented the article which says it all fall cuz of NJ leaving.

[acoustic verge]

few billion

[storm warren]

articles dont matter. what matters is their arguments in the court.

[stiff prairie]

no way 5% would amount to that then. i was guessing in trillions

[cerulean lake]

one lack of contract renewal from a bts member and their numbers are plummeting 🤣

[mild mist]

the 400M isn't based on stonks it's based on earnings potential for newjeans

[stiff prairie]

nvm bad at maths

[acoustic verge]

They are worth $6 billion right now. Stock dropped roughly 7% when NJ announced. So yeah. Around $400 million

[storm warren]

they can spend millions on golf gatherings and mediaplay but still will have to present actual arguments and evidence in court.

[short laurel]

hybe isn't even baby of samsung. and u made it biggest company in the world with that math xD

[polar owl]

Need to get this over with quickly whether Hybe pays or NJ does (within a reasonable amount).

The new company can buy out this fine easily considering how much NJ is worth.

What's definitely not needed is a dragged-on slow attrition of death

[cerulean lake]

if the ceo of chairman of samsung can get arrested, then bsh can manifesting 😭🙏🙏

[stiff prairie]

-prayjeans

[tall dew]

[vague shore]

It’s truly astonishing every time I see figures like '400 million dollars' or '600 billion won' being quoted Do you really think that’s realistic? There’s legal precedent (https://www.lawtimes.co.kr/news/97556) stating that when a punitive penalty exceeds three times the contract deposit, it’s considered excessive and will be nullified I’ve even seen some lawyers advocating for these astronomical amounts, and I can’t help but shake my head And let’s not forget, the fault here lies entirely with the other side

[acoustic verge]

Hybe market value up 17% since the original NJ conference dip

[warm shard]

Lee soo man was at some point wanted by interpol so anything can happen

[short laurel]

hybe wants the slow attrition of death. they know they are not winning many of the cases they filed against MHJ btw.

[storm warren]

@mild mist made me remember great point. damages is not calculated by ever fluctuating and never stable stock market but the contract NJ has signed which goes like the years they have remaining on contract multiplied by earnings etc etc. can u stop bringing up stock which is irrelevant to the case

[acoustic verge]

no, because there could be additional damages due to shareholders losing potential capital gains. It's not going to be $400 million, but it could be considered

[storm warren]

no there is not such thing as court is not fortune teller

[acoustic verge]

Yeah, there are literally professionals who estimate this thing all the time, but ok

[short laurel]

stock market always has risk. unless the people involved purposely damaged company asserts, court won't consider it.

[wind monolith]

Stocks have never been brought up before its always been number of years remaining and earnings

[storm warren]

no they have laws and they dgaf about stock market and how shareholders should be compensated. NJ has no obligation towards shareholders of HYBE

[acoustic verge]

Yes, as I've said a million times now, this will be the main thing they look at

[short laurel]

in this case, hybe arguing it's MHJ who damaged the company so stocks damages could come up in her case, but it's not being made in NJ case so it won't be brought up.

[storm warren]

NJ already earned 10x more amount than invested in them. their duties are completed.

[acoustic verge]

brother that's not how it works

[storm warren]

sure sis

[polar owl]

What is their to confirm that they would have remained popular Iike the past?

[wind monolith]

The early termination fee is calculated by taking the idol’s average monthly revenue over the past two years and then multiplying that by the number of months remaining in the contract at the time of early termination.

[storm warren]

literally and nothing else

[vague shore]

that matters If you want to know you can see (court case: 2017나2026261 ) which was one of EXO members lawsuit and there's paragraphs stating those

[wind monolith]

Stock has no effect on to termination fees so it being brought up is bs why would it matter

[acoustic verge]

nothing tbh, but they will generate something, and Hybe/Ador probably has estimates for a few years.

[storm warren]

[short laurel]

again stock market always has potential risk.if investors lost money it's their fault, they can suck it up, unless a person purposely choose to damage the company asserts, only then it could go to court. it's not the case here.
in this case NJ didn't purposely tried to damage hybe. it as not their intention. hence it won't be brought up.

[storm warren]

cant wait for judge to bring his own calculator to estimate how much money shareholders lost bc of stock price drop

[mild mist]

stonks go up, stonks go down, but beanie babies last forever

[stiff prairie]

invest in beanie babies

[polar owl]

Hope the judge have not invested in Ador stocks 😅

[short laurel]

ador is not open to market.

[vague shore]

And don't forget NJ will file a counter lawsuit for compensation too

[polar owl]

That's good 😅

[acoustic verge]

True. Always a risk. But when one party is at fault, reputational damages can be assessed. It's not just about the loss of revenue by NJ.

[short laurel]

infact ador even argued they are not relted to hybe at one point.

[storm warren]

thankfully they cant invest in ador as its private company, hybe tho

[acoustic verge]

If they win, I fully expect them to sue

[storm warren]

damages lawsuit is not separate afaik, it is added to ongoing one

[polar owl]

They will be a lot of counter suing - Ador knows. It's a matter of who can last longer

[stiff prairie]

no it's separate. this is just ensuring the validity. unless those numbers will be calculated here as well

[acoustic verge]

Um. Ador can last longer lol. It's a matter of who has the evidence and facts

[short laurel]

ok idk how i can explain to you. u keep missing my point or just didn't read part of my msg. so i give up. shh
again this stuff no one was expecting to happen. it happened market fell. u can't really blame it on NJ leaving.
investors loss money, they can suck it up. jsut know artists leaving company lawsuits never had stock market invoved in panelties.

[craggy skiff]

If everything goes well, i hope they take time to sue jinjin and sniper. These are such a pain in a**

[cerulean lake]

did he have ties w politicians tho 🤔 probably not like bsh so they were out to get him more

[stiff prairie]

they'll sue w the money they'll get from hybe/ador later trust

[polar owl]

True. I know Ador is the powerful entity here. For the facts of the case, we may need to wait months, years - who knows. We know who is the loser here

[short laurel]

samsung has huge hands in politics and even their ceo went to jail.

but that case was really huge scandal.

[polar owl]

Head of a chaebol getting punished - we do have hope

[cerulean lake]

heck their own president going to jail rn 🤣

[short laurel]

not the 1st time for their president

[polar owl]

There was huge public outrage.

[acoustic verge]

It'll be settled this year for sure.

[cerulean lake]

bro what’s up w the political scheme there i always see something going on w sk’s presidents except w moon

[stiff prairie]

k bunnies gotta get to the streets asap

[vague shore]

Yep, that’s why HYBE’s arrogance in NA was eye-opening for many, possibly even including politicians

[cerulean lake]

bro i need them to be the next sojang

[short laurel]

with trump there now. lets c how long bsh stays there xD

[polar owl]

Don't see that happening unfortunately. Labels play divide and conquer with fans

[cerulean lake]

respect to k bunnies tho. they probably did more in 2024 against a label than any other fandom did 🙏

[polar owl]

Yes, but bunnies= small % of kpop fandom

[short laurel]

yea any news when thsoe cases going to happen. teamtokkies filed so many cases.

[stiff prairie]

we'll get ateez fandom on our side

[cerulean lake]

i need some whistleblower to expose hybe for using tag pr 🤫

[vague shore]

Team Bunnies already have plenty of tricks up their sleeves

[cerulean lake]

https://tenor.com/view/extraordinary-attorney-woo-piggysgifs-gif-26472482

we need her for justice in the courts 😤

[polar owl]

Yeah, we will also play the long game

[craggy skiff]

They are the source of 90% random rumors attack to njs I swear.
Every time I see their post, I always feel like my braincell is dying

[stiff prairie]

i'm just hoping the rest of 18k page docs that are undisclosed has some more definite proof for our side

[cerulean lake]

especially that sniper person. that mexjeans person has made of a fool of themselves before so they’re just embarrassing. probably some tag pr bots hyping them up too

[polar owl]

Hope the judges don't take 18 months to read them 😅

[stiff prairie]

think we will only present necessary stuff to courts not the whole thing

[cerulean lake]

i saw someone on reddit saying that mhj presenting 1k pages of evidence to the courts was evidence of her being jobless 😭

[short laurel]

ktokkies warned us that korean incel galary people are coming to twt to spread bs abotu girls. and sniper and jinjin showed around same time. i m very sure these 2 are from that galary.

[cerulean lake]

i mean it’s obvious they are bc all of their narratives come from that site

[stiff prairie]

yep can't present evidence for a court case that has my livelihood on the line

[short laurel]

reddit is hybe bots. put anything that has hybe proveably doing wrong and it'll be removed in no time.

[vague shore]

There was a moment at NA when a politician who saw all the documents asked the BELIFT CEO, 'Why does BSH hate NewJeans? You know some of info is in the documents

[cerulean lake]

they just lock the thread lolz

[cerulean lake]

really? where did u see that

[short laurel]

BSH pics with that juice girl being shown openly in NA was funny

[vague shore]

I saw it live from Youtube

[cerulean lake]

need him to be embarrassed even more

[craggy skiff]

And hanni reaction. Lol

[stiff prairie]

queen behavior

anyways i'm glad we ended an arguement w/o thread getting locked

[short laurel]

no, it is getting locked.

[polar owl]

There is still time

[cerulean lake]

i don’t know how that man has glazers when he literally contributed nothing original. bts getting popular was from all the other creative directors and the boys themselves 🤫

[short laurel]

btw i wanna ask. are other channels cleaned out now? i haven't opened them much since last time people were spreading misinfo.

[stiff prairie]

noooo

[cerulean lake]

which channels

[wind monolith]

Dw someone will come in and drop some bombshell

[short laurel]

nj-chat channel and general channel

i have not opened general in months. xD

[short laurel]

nha. it was his "formula"

[craggy skiff]

https://x.com/pannchoa/status/1879939653979258984?t=6UCkFgZlqhLlpcL_7UQZPQ&s=19
Lmao. This is fast

[cerulean lake]

his formula was taken by others 😭. so many ppl called him out before but of course the news got buried

[stiff prairie]

gen chat has a lot of multis. they're one of those. hybe is bad too but mhj is worse/equally bad. kinda like that

[vague shore]

Yep, I just hope you all remember that there’s 'Civil Law' in Korea, which ensures that penalties are not astronomical

[storm warren]

afaik counterclaim is added to defense bc it doesnt take much work. its a package

[short laurel]

there's no formula. what he did was not much different from what's been done in kpop for years. all they added was memebrs brillient use of social media to connect with fans.

[short laurel]

still nto clean ok.

[mild mist]

and even that took heavy inspiration from one direction

[short laurel]

yup

[short laurel]

wait why does hybe needs our biometric data. wth

i would expect title to have companies like samsung, hyundai for this news

[craggy skiff]

Something like improving their service quality as they said

[short laurel]

dam for concert they need our faces. out of so many solutions they choose to steal our faces.

[vague shore]

They say it’s to prevent scalping, but let’s hope it’s not for AI training

[short laurel]

it is for AI training.

they been trying to become tech company, no way they wouldn't involve in AI.

[polar owl]

On a lighter note, I asked Chat GPT on who wins - fandoms or companies?

[mild mist]

or at least selling data

[vague shore]

Well, I’ve heard that some lawmakers are already trying to stop this Let’s just wait and see

[short laurel]

both empty.

[craggy skiff]

Anyway, lets hope the girl have some peace in next weeks

[short laurel]

https://x.com/twitreader17/status/1879945763272421657
https://x.com/twitreader17/status/1879945868872413204 btw

Sheepymcsheep (@twitreader17) on X

Again, would you trust your biometric data to a company that leaks Kakao talk, telegram messages, medical data, and trainee videos of its employees/artists? Would you trust your personal data to a company that heavily engages in malicious media play? I sure as hell wouldn't-

X · Jan 16, 2025, 5:36 PM

Sheepymcsheep (@twitreader17) on X

We're in an era where misinformation and deep fakes are prevalent. The possibility of Hybe using these sensitive information for profit, or their own agenda, is not completely off the table. This bill should be passed without a second thought.

X · Jan 16, 2025, 5:36 PM

[craggy skiff]

Lunar new year is coming soon. I hope hanni has some time with her family

[polar owl]

Is her family in SK?

[craggy skiff]

Hard to say. Maybe they are still in australia

[polar owl]

I don't think she will be leaving SK now with all the visa improglio.

[stiff prairie]

i don't think it will effect her. she's been in and out of the country since this was brought up

[craggy skiff]

A bunnies met her and hyein in japan 5 or 6 days ago.
I dont think she has problem with visa

[short laurel]

Australian's can visit n stay in korea visa free for 90 days.

[polar owl]

I need to cheer up - going to re-watch "Your Lie in April" 👋

[stiff prairie]

i don't think it's that much cheerful tho

[short laurel]

bless your heart. don't cry too much.

[polar owl]

Anything to take the mind away from...

[marble cape]

anything new?

[zenith bane]

just speculation, but I think the members will be freed. Ador is drawing out the conclusion as much as they legally can with the members to stall their career opportunities and attempting to tarnish their image with the public/be forgotten. As for the contract, its a breakdown of mutual trust - no court/tribunal is ever going to force them back to work under Ador against their will - thats akin to slavery

[stiff prairie]

post is locked now but if anyone wanna have a fun time reading comments about not defending a billionaire from a diss track that could seemingly do little to no harm to him, here you go
https://old.reddit.com/r/kpopthoughts/comments/1i22u4a/is_ateez_hongjoong_dissing_bang_sihyuk_in_his_new/

[short laurel]

"how could u insult my poor billionaire.!!" meanwhile elon who removed asmon's "verified" badge over petty fight gets seat in US government.
that's why people like Elon and BSH are so petty and arrogant. people defend them like BSH and elon is their child or something.

with amount of shit kpop industry pulls openly. artists needs to make more diss tracks like this.

[stiff prairie]

i'm just happy they're being forced to lock these post cause they're not crushing it on reddit anymore

[short laurel]

ok this adds more to the context

allegedly but knowing hybe, it's probably true.

[stiff prairie]

the lore goes deep. i was more suprised to see a lot of og bts fans saying how they used to hate bsh a lot because of mistreatments and such and ever since they got popular in the west fans started to protect bsh instead of holding him accountable

[short laurel]

Bobby dissing RV and Ravi lol

but yea. the fandom now prizes the mistreatment as some achievement.

[opaque torrent]

This landmark case in which the court sided with the artist is a great precedence for NewJeans https://x.com/thegreatgaram/status/1880136039572082784

람짱 // ʀᴀᴍᴊᴊᴀɴɢ (@thegreatgaram) on X

If A=NewJeans, Company B=ADOR, C=MHJ and drama production team=advertisers, doesn't the ruling on this landmark case fit NewJeans as well? Please read on—

The court ruled that, "Since the exclusive contract between NewJeans and ADOR requires a high level of trust between the

X · Jan 17, 2025, 6:12 AM

[half knot]

was this a supreme court case?

Unfortunately, South Korean court system isn't precedent based the way you would think of some of the western systems, only the supreme court precedents seem to play a role in lower courts rulings.

[opaque torrent]

hmm the article says its a lower court. the tweet from which i learned about the case said 'landmark' case😅

will double check

[half knot]

though that doesn't mean the NJ case's judge won't follow a similar legal pathway to reach a similar conclusion.

it just means that they won't directly reference this case in their ruling

[opaque torrent]

altho this one isn't as similar, it is a supreme court case https://x.com/cato_o_o/status/1863080116047200370

Cato_o_o (@cato_o_o) on X

Direct from Supreme Court ruling

Members terminating 👍

“…infringes on their personal rights. Therefore, if the trust between the contracting parties is broken, the entertainer, as the defendant, should be able to terminate the exclusive contract.”

https://t.co/MkIqE0nxCM

X · Dec 1, 2024, 4:38 AM

[cerulean lake]

having context is a concept a lot of kpop stans do not get

or are ignorant to learn abt

[short laurel]

Unfortunately that's very common world wide, not just kpop 💀

[half knot]

perfect, nice find.

[short laurel]

https://x.com/PoppyKPoppie/status/1880072139715539074?t=cAjFls97fxWPU6u6JDcHrg&s=19

PoppyKPoppie (@PoppyKPoppie) on X

“It has been revealed that HYBE has recently had many former employees of its subsidiary labels sign ‘confidentiality agreements’.”
“It has been confirmed that the musicians who participated in the production of the presidential tribute song were even required to sign a

X · Jan 17, 2025, 1:58 AM

[cerulean lake]

true sadly

[short laurel]

Someone reacted to my old comment just now so i noticed. The dude ignored me when i shared links to past precedence even though they asked for it 😂

[storm warren]

for sure.

ador's only motivation rn is to make newjeans lose competitiveness and momentum and extort money.

their pretentious statements are just merely cover up for actual intentions. you cant say u care about someone and then take action which could potentially stop their main source of income and make them lose momentum in very fast paced and oversaturated market.

[copper jetty]

glad this chat wasn't closed. Bro up there was spitting things without sources. Since when have court considered stocks and the company board when artists terminate contracts??? 1st time i heard that kind of thing

[short laurel]

https://x.com/minjigongjunim1/status/1879909558807900408?t=P7gEMyty5xl5kxMpzeYY3A&s=19
Sorry for posting this drama but when hate is on nj or anyone opposing hybe, they never close it like this.

🧸🦦🐶🐱🐹 (@minjigongjunim1) on X

reddit mods every time a thread criticizing BangPD gains traction. What a bunch of pathetic Hybe bootlickers 🤡🤮

X · Jan 16, 2025, 3:12 PM

[lament delta]

The hate against nj is so forced

[mild mist]

How do you get into something like that?

I'm not going to do it, I just want to know how much you get paid

[jolly junco]

we have something called a "buzzer" in my country. A big groups getting paid to bring a certain narratives in social media

just like how TAG PR, more or less

i guess every country have their own "buzzer"

[short laurel]

South asian countries do it alot 😭

https://x.com/juantokki/status/1880135878875722000?t=iTQXd7KXKd6J8w6sjf87Bg&s=19

1tokki (@juantokki) on X

250117 검은토끼 Elfin Rabbit youtube video transcript

Reasons It’s Not a Hostile Takeover - Dabolink, Dunamu, Project 1945, External Investors, and More: HYBE Controversy Rebuttal Series, Part 1

Please check the video on her page it has English subtitle:

X · Jan 17, 2025, 6:11 AM

[upbeat stream]

It's so sad that Joyful-nim, Hyein's only active fansite, is getting bullied out of twitter by one deranged person

You know, because of that Hyundai card incident

[short laurel]

It's not even an incident. It was just screaming hate out of nothing.

[stable escarp]

Against a minor too like how sad do you have to be

[copper jetty]

there's a hyein active fan site? i only know minji's. Can you dm me the link?

[upbeat stream]

https://x.com/Lyein008

Joyful (@Lyein008) on X

#혜인 #NewJeans

X

[copper jetty]

thank you

[hoary frost]

Because Joyful was the one who took that picture? Thats crazy

[copper jetty]

which picture are they talking about? is it that meeting with davolink ceo?

[hoary frost]

Idk but Im talking about that one of Hyein pointing at her clover thing

[copper jetty]

oh why is there an issue about that? That seems like a harmless photo though?

[stable escarp]

They represented shinhan but she had a hyundai card since shes a minor and isnt allowed her own card. Idk how they forgot she was a minor and it was linked account with her parents.

[short laurel]

it was media who attacked her on this saying it's "inappropriate". it was just journalist hating over nothing.

[acoustic marsh]

Bruh idk why they make it such a big problem like banks n whatnot ppl r free to do wht they want

[stable escarp]

classic hybe media play

[short laurel]

they making issue with everything. do you know even if MHJ attempted hostile takeover, even that is legal to do. but hybe n media presented it as illegal. so much of the attack on girls are like this.

[stable escarp]

They are a public traded company and they pursue everything infront of our faces. Kinda crazy

[copper jetty]

i mean they were done with shinhan bank when that was posted so they could go for any card out there. Hyein can have amex and media would still find issue with it apparently.

[red thorn]

The Shinhan investment & securities one is until March

[copper jetty]

0h. i thought there was an article that they were done with shinhan. my bad?

maybe i mistook it for the not renewed thingy.

[short laurel]

doesn't matter if they were done or not. they can't just change their banks just cuz another bank made them their model for short time. it isn't like clothes or make up

• no one would've notice the card or cared about it if media didn't pointed it out

[upbeat stream]

It's done in the sense they won't film any new campaigns, the existing ads will run till March

Finance cfs are often for one year only, so for hybe to mediaplay it as a 'lost' cf was ridiculous lol

[short laurel]

NJ did cf for both hyundai card and shinhan investment btw. 🤔

[acoustic marsh]

Literally it’s a bank for god’s sake

[red thorn]

They're model for shinhan app: bank, card, security, etc
Bulk advertisement

[opaque torrent]

by whom? i-fans? k-incels? tokkis? k-tokkis?

[storm warren]

incels/hybe media. they apologized for taking hyein's pic where she is holding hyundai card and clarified that hyein did not point finger to card but clover leaf which was attached to card. some kmedia outlet wrote article about it that it was disservice to shinhan (with whom the contract ended in Dec) and hyein as a minor does not have own card but her account is attached to parents' account, aka automatically uses same bank as her parents

[opaque torrent]

okay thankfully not tokkis

makes it easier to shrug off the tantrums of incels

[storm warren]

nah, tokkis defender them. its not hyein or fansite's fault.

hybe is turning everything intro smear campaign unfortunately. thankfully neither fans, nor gp is fooled

[hoary frost]

*twt -c https://x.com/talytokki/status/1880080858113097730?s=46

[harsh dove]

@talytokki <t:1737081181:d>

NewJeans donated the outfits they wore at the 2024 Billboard Women in Music event to the MusiCares Charity Relief Auction.

This is the first time NewJeans are participating. Their outfits are estimated to sell for $2,000 to $4,000.

Proceeds from the MusiCares Charity Relief Auction help music industry professionals in need by providing financial aid, mental health support, addiction recovery, and healthcare services.

[hoary frost]

Their entire wardrobe for 2k is crazy

[cosmic belfry]

More like 2k to 4k each

[hoary frost]

Oh tht sounds right

[stable escarp]

They are auctioning their worn Billboard clothes?
Help its like theyre selling bathwater

[sleek crest]

woah...

[stiff prairie]

~t https://twitter.com/juantokki/status/1880440327447920983

[narrow seal]

250118 juantokki Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/juantokki/status/1880440327447920983
Will Choreography for NewJeans and IVE Also Receive Copyright Recognition?
https://n.news.naver.com/article/018/0005927413?sid=102
Edaily Market In | Reporter Kim Yeon-seo

Research by the Korea Copyright Commission
“Choreographers must strive to establish their rights and raise awareness of copyright issues.”

[craggy skiff]

feel weird and funny at the same time. lol

[tawdry vessel]

im pretty sure the clothes have been washed

just stop

[orchid field]

ya dont be weird

[hoary frost]

Oh!

[short laurel]

Problem with this is how much kpop copied from others but goes unrecognised. N companies will be abusing it alot

[stable escarp]

Choreo copyrighting feels weird to me. To me it seems like a setback for creativity but then also boosts creativity

Might turn into a grey area like how producers sample music

[short laurel]

It's like patent. Companies makes many but use very few n block everyone else from using them.

[stable escarp]

If its like a patent, I can imagine companies licensing it to generate revenue. Seems like a whole new market will be opened up

Coller tagged jeanzforfree instead of Adors acc.

[short laurel]

This law is very difficult. West struggled for it for years for a reason

[stable escarp]

Im not really too worried for jeanz since their choreographers are amazing and the choreography are pretty much original

[stable escarp]

Hopefully they plan it out thoroughly

[short laurel]

If it gets implemented i hope the choreographer whose work was used in runext without credit gets to strike 1st. She got hated by hybe stans for demanding what is rightfully hers,

All she had asked for was to be credited, hybe couldn't even do that.

[stable escarp]

Hybes ego is too high

[copper jetty]

I think she got credited right? But only after it blew up. Idk about the singer though.

[short laurel]

After she received all that hate. Think about how much these companies steal without credit n only fix it after it blows up n depending on how big the person is they get attacked so much. While hybe just got away with finally typing out the name in credit. No fines or anything.

This law can go both ways, that's scary now that i m thinking about it.

[copper jetty]

https://tenor.com/view/john-krasinski-oh-no-shame-on-you-nah-fail-gif-15679323

True. They should've credited or asked her from the start. It's like they know there'll be no repercussions whatsoever since it's legally ambiguous. Man, I don't know what happened with that company honestly. For someone who back then "believes in music"...

[copper jetty]

https://x.com/SayItditto722/status/1880512538884079840?t=XG1W3AM5U3cniWyqKaSjSg&s=33

Chat is this real???

MCA-모또당 💙🩷💛💚💜 (@SayItditto722) on X

For me thats crazy 😂😂😂 all the industry is on their side and purple people are saying its not true 😂😂

X · Jan 18, 2025, 7:08 AM

[storm warren]

yea and sold out

[stiff prairie]

5th gen it girl

[copper jetty]

Wait line friends did this?? Aren't they hybe???

[mild mist]

Aren't they owned by line?

[copper jetty]

wait, i searched line friends it seems to not be a hybe company ... All along I thought they were affiliated with hybe.

[short laurel]

Line is older than even bighit

[copper jetty]

i realized that now, but i've only known about Line because of the BT21. That's why i thought all along that they're somehow affiliated.

[short laurel]

Line is japanese. Line friends is korean shared by Naver and Line. i didn't know this part.

i thought line friends was japanese.

[mild mist]

[copper jetty]

wait so if they're different companies, Hybe also still makes a cut right? I mean with the buninis and the merch there??

[mild mist]

Of course, line friends needs to pay a licence fee for the idols' identity rights

Maybe identity rights is the wrong term but hopefully you get what I mean

[short laurel]

Brown & Friends are only true line characters for me. rest are just created for collabs.

[copper jetty]

i get it. Thank you though. I was somehow going to excuse my future expenditures but if money still goes to hybe then f it.

[copper jetty]

i don't know them honestly.

[short laurel]

look up line town.

[stable escarp]

The girls get a royalty so up to u

[copper jetty]

looked them up and still a no. But the I kinda know the line friends frog. I think i saw an edit of it

[short laurel]

Leonard

[copper jetty]

So aside from MHJ being 5th Gen it girl and her merch selling out, there's no any other news right? At least no news is good news.

[glossy siren]

This emoji 😂♥️

[fierce cloak]

isn't that Minji outfit

[copper jetty]

Its mhj outfit press conference with the blue la dodgers hat 🤣

[fierce cloak]

there is a minji outfit set look very similar too
but since there is no similar dolls for other members i guess that's mhj

[waxen musk]

Coller's official Instagram account did @ MHJ and jeanzforfree so I don't think there's any ambiguity.

[zinc geyser]

Are there good news for them?

I'm not quite update rn

[stiff prairie]

what good news? we out here celebrating no news days

[short laurel]

https://x.com/TikTokPolicy/status/1881030712188346459

TikTok Policy (@TikTokPolicy) on X

STATEMENT FROM TIKTOK:

In agreement with our service providers, TikTok is in the process of restoring service. We thank President Trump for providing the necessary clarity and assurance to our service providers that they will face no penalties providing TikTok to over 170

X · Jan 19, 2025, 5:27 PM

So unfortunately taly will have to solo defend nj on tiktok as it's staying

[stiff prairie]

i'm conflicted in both ways

all fire edits/ funny edits came from tiktok along with blatant stupid hatred

[sleek crest]

[short laurel]

It's not W. Majority haters are from there

[sleek crest]

oh i was w-ing abt taly coming back

[stiff prairie]

It's not that different from twitter imo. Since my fyp doesn't show me negative posts, once in a while I'll see some negative comments on positive posts that's it

[acoustic marsh]

Most of my fyp are just edits of the members

It’s not all so bad there r a lot of other bunnies & nj supporters there

[tardy smelt]

same here, my twitter timeline and tiktok fyp is cleansed, mostly just updates and edits

[cosmic belfry]

the trajectory is still unclear. even if it gets saved temporarily. they ultimately have to sell to a us company.

[jolly junco]

https://x.com/NJBUBBLEGUM/status/1881159185125314831

is there a court hearing today?

. (@NJBUBBLEGUM) on X

The Seoul Western District Court's trial schedule will proceed as planned from today, Monday.
https://t.co/JwEGREkWez

X · Jan 20, 2025, 1:57 AM

[wind monolith]

no i think its just in general cause yoon-suk supporters raided the court and were destroying stuff,throwing water on servers and computers

this happened like 2 days ago i think so thats y trials were prbly on puase

https://x.com/NJBUBBLEGUM/status/1880693942209114563

. (@NJBUBBLEGUM) on X

Following the issuance of Yoon Suk-yeol's bench warrant, far-right rioters are attacking the Seoul Western District Court, destroying the exterior walls and furniture.

X · Jan 18, 2025, 7:09 PM

[short laurel]

So stupid they still support yoon

[cerulean lake]

there’s very concerning people everywhere unfortunately

[short laurel]

But w to reporter to disguise n film all this

[wind monolith]

https://x.com/haerinthequeenn/status/1881225045877674076?s=46

NewJeans Enthusiast (@haerinthequeenn) on X

Stonehenge comes out today says it’s no problem with the advertising and they will use NewJeans for their 2025 Lucky You campaign this year this completely contradicts Ador’s claim in their injunction that advertisers are confused

X · Jan 20, 2025, 6:19 AM

https://m.entertain.naver.com/article/009/0005431748

[acoustic marsh]

Hell fucking yes get your money bags jeanz

[stable escarp]

Yessir companies speaking out

[upbeat stream]

https://v.daum.net/v/20250120154010536

I am now genuinely scared, I just hope this situation resolves quickly

[stiff prairie]

some good news finally

[stiff prairie]

this is kind of the same things they've been saying. even brought up davolink claims too

[short laurel]

Pls this is non of anyones business. It's another mediaplay to attack her. Person involved knows their visa status better than anyone

[upbeat stream]

True but so does ador and they are obviously leaking it to their lapdogs. Ilgan had said her visa expires early this year, and now this article says end of January

I guess we just have to trust her and wait

[short laurel]

Bot ador don't know what type visa hani will go for or already got it or not. So ador has no idea about her visa situation aside from one that just about to expire or already expired.

[heady gate]

I am expecting Ador will release another statement about Hanni's visa status soon. " Ador: We have filed the work visa application, please come to our office and sign it." This will create another wave of mediaplay.

[acoustic marsh]

Hanni can apply for an entrepreneur visa for all we know

Since shes made big donations to south korean charity organizations— im pretty sure tht can count so whtever hybe claims they can go fuck themselves fr

[orchid field]

https://youtu.be/aF56UzQoPR4?si=M1UsSUkG0DKIe70R

Taly is going to make a 2-part video

[stiff prairie]

ppl are laughing but i legit see this happening in fact w a more spicy title like hanni's visa is ended today and she's considered illegal alien and has to be put into jail but since our contract is valid...

[stiff prairie]

how come i didn't know talytokki had a youtube

[orchid field]

its new

[heady gate]

She just created 2 days ago

[stiff prairie]

owhh i see

at least sb we can trust on yt now. taly's shoulder must be hurting carrying all rookie bunnies thru media play and misinformations on all platforms

[cerulean lake]

i’ve never see an incident in kpop where visa was involved in terms of a contract dispute with entertainment companies 🤦‍♀️

[stiff prairie]

we can thank fraudor for this. in any case the more popular you are the more hate you get. saw this w BP too. my noob ass used to think if you don't like something just scroll and move on why this much hate. boy i was in for a rude awakening when i actually started stanning a group fr.

[neon igloo]

media play again
https://tvdaily.co.kr/read.php3?aid=17373607781740063010

It's funny that an entire article is dedicated to discussing words about a date. Especially when we recall the interview with the Belift Lab director in a video where he refuted the plagiarism claims. He stated:
"The branding strategy and concept of ILLIT were finalized and shared internally on July 21, 2023."

That's exactly 11 months since NewJeans' debut date. And all of this happened before the final results of the survival show were announced. Considering that a group's project is prepared in advance, it aligns with being roughly 8 months from NewJeans' debut.
HYBE's media games are weakening day by day

[red thorn]

When in drought they release unnecessary issue/talk report through tvdaily

[stiff prairie]

iirc the date they said in the infamous video was in september. but after it was revealed they got the newjeans planning before that, belift made a statement their finalization was a date even before that, contradicting themselves

*x -c https://x.com/hurtsaz/status/1844661101939786231

[harsh dove]

@hurtsaz <t:1728636453:d>

Belift’s response today: “ILLIT’s branding strategy and concept were finalised and shared internally on July 21, 2023”

Belift’s Deputy CEO: “Our debut group was decided on September 1st. Afterward, we initiated the group brand planning.”

[stiff prairie]

this is from november

[acoustic marsh]

Fuck belift and the corrupt ceos we gonna win this

[short laurel]

Lol what? Another stupid article by tvdaily.

[craggy skiff]

Not really relate but proud of the fact that after all, our fandom still keep support and protect the girl.
It's not the same...
https://x.com/liashyz/status/1881675727386636297?s=46

[short laurel]

I need full video to make any comments on this, since it's lia posts.

[cerulean lake]

when do yall think they’ll sign w a company or try to be affiliated with a new label 🧐🧐

[tardy smelt]

your guess is as good as mine

[short laurel]

sound:948917131989381173:1099171098559529001

[cerulean lake]

i’m too deprived of music or any promotions 😭

[tardy smelt]

i miss comeback era

[fast snow]

[stiff prairie]

*x -c https://twitter.com/catzkang/status/1882000161045729572

[harsh dove]

@catzkang <t:1737538778:d>

@/withsome_case ‘s Instagram Story Update after Minji uploaded a photo with their phonecase item! Many orders came in and demand skyrocketed 🚀🆙📈

MINJI’s IMPACT! 📈📈📈📈📈

[stiff prairie]

The way newjeans can spike any business w just a story. No wonder all brands are backing them

[upbeat stream]

Tbh this sort of post is perfectly fine in newjeans-chat as well

Not saying that it isn't ok here

[stiff prairie]

ik i just posted here incase it started a conversation

[stiff prairie]

~t https://x.com/allkpop/status/1881999839992717546

[narrow seal]

250122 allkpop Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/allkpop/status/1881999839992717546
MAGA

[stiff prairie]

i knew these pos were bunch of racists banded together when they dropped the hanni article

[short laurel]

are we surprised?

but i thought allkpop admins were korean based on past scandals.

[stiff prairie]

i think it's american now esp after it was revealed that the hanni article writer graduated from NYU

[short laurel]

oo

[lament delta]

Can someone please report all of the channels spreading misinfo abt NJ to team bunnies or some powerful people? I'm so sick of them comparing MHJ to a literal creep who's in jail

[copper jetty]

@short laurel what's this? I can't open the link. Maybe they erased it

[copper jetty]

There's just too many on all of the platforms. Twitter, tt, yt even insta has it. So yeah... there's too many for us to report.

[short laurel]

they showing support for trump and elon. nothing related to kpop

[copper jetty]

They who??

[short laurel]

allkpop account.

they deleted it after backlash but it was up for hours while the account was posting other news so it's not hacked.

[stiff prairie]

I was randomly scrolling reddit and it was a comment in k-pop uncensored post about this.

I did some searching up on the company. Their owned by a guy named Johnny Noh, and I looked up his Twitter X. His entire feed is "bashing on libs" and kissing up to crypto men.

Anyways I blocked allkpop now

[short laurel]

u did it now. he has done far worse shit in the past. very inhuman things

[stiff prairie]

I don't know about anything besides the hanni one

[mild mist]

without going into specifics, allkpop is scum and we have known this for many years

[knotty valve]

They’ve posted something on their story, something about using Sejong as a law firm?

[blazing sky]

The girls are so strong omg

[waxen musk]

They pinned better translation in main chat.

[blazing sky]

oh shit

Wait we are discussing in main chat now?? I thought legalities were only allowed in here

[jade jolt]

Since it was posted on their ig story it s allowed to talk about it there

[waxen musk]

There's not much else to talk about lol. And this is directly to do with the girls themselves and not MHJ this time.

Is this the first MHDHH specific talk of legal action? Everything so far has been from the other side (Hybe/Ador) or involving MHJ.

[neon igloo]

Wow… thats hard

[acoustic marsh]

Do we have any background on either law firms?

The ones hybe r using and the ones the members are hiring?

[storm warren]

ador using same as hybe, nj using same as mhj

[upbeat stream]

As they mentioned, Sejong knows more about the case than any other law firm, and the injunction case moves swiftly so going with them is the best option

Sejong also represented JYJ very successfully in their landmark case against SM, at a time when there was no precedence for contract suspension

[ashen charm]

So this is it newjeans will go to court 🫡

[copper jetty]

So it started. I just hope everything will be ok for the girls. Also lowkey, I wonder what ador and hybe has been telling to the parents. Like, are they for real? They media play against them and tell them before that they would give the girls hiatus... like who would believe them now?

Wrong move really.

[zinc geyser]

[ashen charm]

The parents tampering is shocking but not surprising how low ador will go ...

Had newjeans stayed they would've been stuck good thing they left when did because this is insane

[split bramble]

these girls dont play, saying the quiet part out loud like plans to shelf them, feeding wreckers materials to slander them

[red thorn]

Mediaplay on YouTube is nastily effective in this age, there's shifted habit of netizens

[copper jetty]

Yeah. I mean those leaks released by dispatch pretty much confirms what their relationship was with hybe. No one ever would've gotten those leaks if the call was not coming from the inside.

[split bramble]

also off topic but about those allkpop, koreaboo, aboutmusicyt accounts- these are all run by right wing schizos, better to block

[copper jetty]

Oh I've blocked allkpop and koreaboo since the start. Allkpop has been moving weirdly since this started so... already blocked that.

[zenith bane]

MHJ posting a cassette tape and timing of this announcement... eluding to the members side have recorded conversations? If meetings are in Korean, and someone not fluent is not provided a translator, it would be reasonable to record and review the conversation at a later time?

[upbeat stream]

allkpop has been blocked by me for years for certain things they did a long time ago

Korea is a one party state anyway, meaning recorded conversations can be used by someone who was party to the convo

[jolly junco]

tell me this is what i'm thinking it is...............???

are they finally and officialy will make a new schedule with new name (temporary)???

[split bramble]

records or testimonies in court would be good, from the wording it sounded like they offered some of them to return but not all of them

[wind monolith]

they are asking for a new name temporarily lets goooo

[upbeat stream]

Yooooo

[jolly junco]

FCKING FINALLY

[red thorn]

Seems stretching, but can't blame people to have speculations knowing the situation

[jolly junco]

let me cry for a few mins

[hushed whale]

redebut july 22

[split bramble]

getting newjeans trademark back would take 1-3 years so yeah they gotta

[jolly junco]

bunnies have been waiting for this for months....... FINALLY

[split bramble]

comes out all guns blazing with re-recorded songs + a dozen new songs

[jolly junco]

i dont care what they will be called, as long as they can continue to make new music

[split bramble]

I'd like a funny name tbf

[unborn arrow]

finally we r getting somewhere

[upbeat stream]

Jeanz is still the best for me, not sure how different it needs to be for the trademark office to accept though

[waxen musk]

I wouldn't be surprised if MHJ/BANA/250/FRNK have had songs just ready to be recorded using the girls' voices for months or maybe even years that are just ready to go and "all that needs to be done" is record their voices for the songs to be complete. Obviously K-pop has dancing and MVs too so things are WAAAAY off but just to think about new songs being potentially ready is exciting.

Also does this discussion make more sense in the main chat because I've already been yapping on my own in there...

[upbeat stream]

Atp the lines between this and newjeans chat are blurred

There's not much more to discuss than this

[waxen musk]

I mean this is called "NJ Updates" which is a silly name considering all updates to do with NewJeans aren't restricted to this thread.

But there were arguments regarding the name of this thread a while ago so lets not bring that up. I think people understand what this is by now.

[ashen charm]

Newdreams is perfect 🥰

[cerulean lake]

yes my top name consideration rn bc the meaning is good too

[waxen musk]

It's gonna be rough technically having all awards and stream numbers and everything have to start from zero when they perform under a new name. And then when they get their name back they can't exactly retroactively combine everything can they?

[wind monolith]

ur thinking too far lets take everything step by step☠️ theres a while till we get there

[waxen musk]

I know. Just excited again having my mind race for the first time in weeks.

[cerulean lake]

well if they do drop new music they eventually have to use a new name whether we like it or not 🥲 the legal battle for IP takes too long so if they end up winning it then that’ll be good

[ashen charm]

Newdreams works as it doesn't have an ip and you can't claim new as it's a common word

[short laurel]

https://x.com/njbubblegum/status/1882190938686300371?s=46&t=OHN1lmotPhP8bqvFOnanwQ

. (@NJBUBBLEGUM) on X

(250123)
Statement from Minji, Hanni, Danielle, Haerin, Hyein via @/jeanzforfree Instagram story

X · Jan 22, 2025, 10:17 PM

Proper translation since no one posted it here

[stiff prairie]

now i wanna know which members' parents did hybe think would be easier to persuade lol

[ashen charm]

Can newjeans redebut after the court with ador ?

[stiff prairie]

with ador????

[stable escarp]

Cant they redebut anytime they want because they terminated?

[stiff prairie]

technically they can redebut yesterday. but only having a company or agency is no good unless the music is ready to go

[orchid field]

*x https://x.com/nyanaerin/status/1882205093178835445

[harsh dove]

@nyanaerin <t:1737587638:d>

[ashen charm]

against ador ahh

[stiff prairie]

i see. still wouldn't make sense. i'd rather forget ador's existence as soon as possible

[stiff prairie]

lmao. hybe doesn't even need to send hate materials on different places

[lament delta]

are they really gonna make new music under a temporary name?

[stiff prairie]

yesss

[ashen charm]

im pretty sure the girls have a name already decided they just want us to fully be apart of the proccess love that

[stiff prairie]

i thought so too. we do this in our uni. the decisions are alr taken. but we ask for everyone's opinion to make all feel included anyways.

well this didn't stop me from commenting a name of my own choice tho

[ashen charm]

praying they drop a single when they give us the name

[stiff prairie]

after injuction maybe

[cerulean lake]

bro if they can find evidence that hybe has been contacting these reporters to talk trash abt nwjns then that is major evidence against the lawsuit that ador filed

i hope team bunnies can find smth with all the digging they’re trying to do

[stiff prairie]

1 whistleblower is all we need

[cerulean lake]

the whistleblower sending the internal docs to the NA was the goat

[short laurel]

we did got 1 last year. about hybe pr telling reporter to undermine their japanese sale.

remember court has historically sided with artists termination just over replaced management.

[stiff prairie]

yeah i meant as in just to seal the deal

if it's proven hybe is the one instructing them to drop these articles even hybe stans will have a hard time defending them

[short laurel]

not really. hybe stans are not going to change their stance. they either brainroted or they are TAG PR or similar company.

even when NJ wins, these people will continue to spew bs. i know this from past cases.

[stiff prairie]

that's true. i bet some of them are already making things up why hybe will have lost despite being on the right side

[short laurel]

yea.

[cerulean lake]

the hardcore hybe stans might try to defend it but the overall kpop community that are not company stans would send more support to nwjns if it was revealed that hybe was telling all these journalists to talk trash abt them

like we saw w the internal documents, there were many fandoms that were involved and those ppl who try to defend it ended up just getting clowned anyways (even on reddit)

[short laurel]

that's already happening. in kpop literally no one aside from hybe stans ever supporting hybe. they all have beef with it from even be4 nj debut

even some older artists publically showed support for girls so their fandoms showing support too.

u'll c them once u able to block all the bots from your timeline.

it's just bts fandom is way tooooo big on social media. so we c others less when this fandom gets involved

people who are not much involved are the ones i worry about. since they'll believe what news says and even if we get more dirt on hybe, hybe will hide it with more noise.

[ashen charm]

[hoary frost]

LOL

[stiff prairie]

*x https://x.com/cato_o_o/status/1882322093821591633

[harsh dove]

@cato_o_o <t:1737615533:d>

[cerulean lake]

bad idea to read stuff on reddit again 😓 people there are still concerning like before

[cerulean lake]

man someone tell ador to stfu. all they do it spew bs and yap

[ashen charm]

ador really annoying like take the hint ..

[cerulean lake]

“we find this very unfortunate” interesting for someone who started it 🤔🤔

[jade jolt]

~t
https://x.com/allkpop/status/1882315918921117702

[narrow seal]

250123 allkpop Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/allkpop/status/1882315918921117702
ADOR warns that #NewJeans attempting to promote with a new group name can be a 'severe breach of contract'
https://www.allkpop.com/article/2025/01/ador-warns-that-newjeans-attempting-to-promote-with-a-new-group-name-can-be-a-severe-breach-of-contract

[jade jolt]

What contract

Fraudor is trying so bad

[ashen charm]

[cerulean lake]

not allkpop acting like they’re not being cancelled by kpop stan twt rn 😭

[stiff prairie]

i just saw the thread w 36k likes bashing allkpop

[cerulean lake]

omg same 😭 i saw a whole thread exposing them

[jade jolt]

~t
https://x.com/NJBUBBLEGUM/status/1882202385801785814

[narrow seal]

250122 NJBUBBLEGUM Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/NJBUBBLEGUM/status/1882202385801785814
廢門

[jolly junco]

is this real???

[split bramble]

send link

[orchid field]

Could be him, could be a different sean lim

Either way i will be celebrating a horrible person’s downfall

[stiff prairie]

What is this?

[stiff prairie]

https://twitter.com/qweenbeeval/status/1882111767712797025

val (@qweenbeeval) on X

allkpop's long history of controversies: a thread

cw // extreme homophobia, sexism, sexual harassment

X · Jan 22, 2025, 5:03 PM

[cerulean lake]

he needs to go get a real job or smth. harassing a group online as a job is not looking good for his supposed stanford degree

[orchid field]

His job IS to harass people, salary paid by hybe

[cerulean lake]

imagine going through all that schooling to end up as a cyber wrecker 🥲

and apparently dispatch just tried to release stuff again

[stiff prairie]

Is there anything that leaked? Like messages or emails? Or just this screen

[orchid field]

Yeah just a seanlim@hybecorp that is confirmed to exist

[cerulean lake]

https://tenor.com/view/bestiesoutsold-snoring-stan-twitter-snooze-boring-gif-17978521388049681682

[cerulean lake]

as much as i want it to be real, apparently it’s fake

[stiff prairie]

Dang

[orchid field]

says who

[cerulean lake]

i saw some replies on the og post and they said the email leads to nothing

and those replies were from tokkis so it’s not like hybe stans trying to make excuses or smth

[red thorn]

https://theqoo.net/hot/3583764011 Dispatch, the Hybe's PR

[acoustic marsh]

Ah wht a beautiful day to start with meaningless comments from hybe’s PR team and a shitton of foul mediaplay

[orchid field]

damn it, i was hoping for seoulite downfall

[stiff prairie]

I do not see the point of these articles. Yes the girls side with MHJ and not Ador. Is anyone surprised about that?

[red thorn]

They want to make it seems tampering, they push that scenario as always

[stiff prairie]

Tampering as in?

All I see is hybe wants the reaction to be "ohh they are in contact?!?! They are using same legal firm as mhj?!?!" Something that we know and don't take any issue with. It's just spoon feeding h-stans something to ramble on reddit. Infact I think long before there was something about the girls' parents using the same law firm as mhj back in May or smth

[jolly junco]

they've been using this "tampering" so much for their attack against NJ, wth did the girls do for them to tampering something?

is it illegal for the girls to meet their mentor? i dont understand

they cant even have their own lawyer for HYBE to call them tampering? wtf

[stiff prairie]

I'm confused. Tampering would mean they're messing with some evidence or smth right? How does discussing things w sb you trust would lead to tampering?

[red thorn]

The precedent case like fifty2 considered tampering too, and that seems hybe goal to influence gp that it's the same issue

[jolly junco]

can i also call HYBE tampering with the CCTV for hanni case?

[red thorn]

Yeah I that seems tampering too to me, just like tampering evidence in crime

[jolly junco]

that company is sick to the core, i dont know why people still want to work with them

[stiff prairie]

Ahh I geddit now. Like mhj wants to create separate company and take hybe's artists. Funny how everything hybe has been doing is resulting towards that same direction but it will be legal to do so this time.

[stiff prairie]

If it pays well ppl will work there. Problem is when ppl don't wanna date them or other companies don't wanna hire them like that one article reported after the internal doc leaks

[warm shard]

Don't they have the employment clause too? The non compete one? People probably joined because it's a big 'new' and fresh company

[orchid field]

I dont think its fake based on op reply

[short laurel]

they are still stalking girls wtf

[orchid field]

Oh 💀 pinoy yapper checked for us

[stiff prairie]

thought so. no way we stumble upon smth this big so easily

but i do think they are in contact thru other means

[stable escarp]

Wait who is this sean lim guy?

[stiff prairie]

do you know seolite tv?

if you don't good for you. saved yourself a lot of anger issues

[stable escarp]

aight. thx for the heads up

[waxen musk]

lol the timing of Hybe's media play is impeccable yet again

[ocean arch]

I wish I could un-know that guy

[stable escarp]

That bad huh damn

[short laurel]

add disclaimer pls.

[sly python]

is there a TLDR update of this situation/statement?

[craggy owl]

I really don't want them to lose their name

[jolly junco]

We love what makes newjeans newjeans, not the name newjeans itself

[waxen musk]

I think them getting the rights to be able to keep their old stuff and not have Ador have control over the name NewJeans is almost more important than using the name itself.
In my opinion, with them having to change to a new name, I feel like they should almost own this new name even more than their old name. It's clear that's not their intention though, it's going to be temporary.
I only say this because it's awkward to have to be known under a new name temporarily and then (maybe quite a while from now) have to return back to an old name that has somewhat weakened in the period of time where it was not used.

There's a potential scenario where they will have to use their new name for as long as or even longer than they used their old name NewJeans. It will just by so awkward to grow yourself all over again under a new name and then abandon that. I don't know, it's complicated.

[red thorn]

Sis doing sermons, well at least it's sincere support

[red thorn]

Tldr; nj appointed Sejong law firm as their legal representative
Maybe just quick read this lol
https://x.com/njbubblegum/status/1882190938686300371?s=46&t=OHN1lmotPhP8bqvFOnanwQ

. (@NJBUBBLEGUM) on X

(250123)
Statement from Minji, Hanni, Danielle, Haerin, Hyein via @/jeanzforfree Instagram story

X · Jan 22, 2025, 10:17 PM

[sly python]

Sejong Jeans lets gooo

[craggy skiff]

Agree. They may stick with the new one and only add newjeans name in their product as a mark

[jolly junco]

Who is this enwaikei?

[red thorn]

She has connection with mhj been a supporter since beginning, she refers mhj as aunt, maternal probably

[ashen charm]

https://tenor.com/view/haerin-dittoshooter-kpop-side-eye-sideeye-gif-6601148262926968744

IS THE NAME OUT YET?

[upbeat stream]

No they said the contest is for 2 days

And honestly, I think they've already decided and just want to make us feel involved

[ashen charm]

so no spacecowjeanz

[cerulean lake]

maybe it’s just to alert fans that there’s gonna be a new change in name

otherwise if they plan to release smth and it’s from a whole new name then fans will be confused

but isn’t there like a law in korea where if u want to release smth you have to be signed to a label? nwjns would have to sign somewhere before they release right?

[upbeat stream]

They'll form their own label, I don't see them joining any existing one

since control and freedom are a big part of the reason why they left

[red thorn]

That more like cultural artist visa eligibility, if you're foreigners and work/earn revenue as performer in sk you need to be employed/under agency

If that kind of law apply to korean there wouldn't be free agent/indie artists

[half knot]

all the fearmongering over immigration is pointless, Hanni's been in Korea longer than 5 years and has all kinds of ties, there are many avenues open to her for various kinds of visas.

[red thorn]

Right, there should be.

[jolly junco]

girl is literally the honorary ambassador of korean tourism 💀 do you guys think they wont give her visa for her to stay and work in korea?

[upbeat stream]

I still don't understand why she didn't apply for F2 before Nov 29th

But maybe she has better plans that we don't know about

[fleet nebula]

Of course she does, in Hanni we trust

[half knot]

this kind of information is of the extremely personal and confidential type

the fact that it is being leaked out there in such an open way is a travesty and heads need to roll for it. what do we know what she has or hasn't applied for.

she and her legal representatives know best. she has the money to afford some of the best legal representation.

aside from GWSN Japanese members mentioning that they were charged and fined for immigration misconduct because their company went defunct and didn't apply for their visas for two years, I genuinely had not ever heard about work/immigration visa issues of foreign idols in korea before in such a public way

This is very obviously being driven by Ador and HYBE's media lackeys to create some kind of public perception.

[red thorn]

Ah yeah, GWSN one I remember
For foreigners visa must be one of the priorities they think of,
I think Hanni's "I'm not going anywhere" should be convincing enough statement.

[half knot]

Especially at a time when genpop in Korea (and really most of the free world) are very sensitive to the topics of foreigners, foreign workers, immigration, etc. HYBE's media lackeys are clearly trying to weave some kind of narration around Hanni and her visa to work in Korea.

[short laurel]

We don't know what visa she applied for or planning to apply for, neither does ador. Ador only knew about the details upto last years visa, after that they can't dig that kind of info unless hanni share it herself n it's not gonna happen.

[short laurel]

It would be really bad look of korea if they tried to deny her after having her face in the airport. 💀

[stiff prairie]

man all i know is this is taking a toll on her and i miss her yapping a lot. i'm just telling myself that she's spending quality time with her friends and family and will go back to her yapper persona after a while

[short laurel]

https://x.com/talytokki/status/1882673385605644637?t=a_fRHrcNSkyE4NYDlZ2RZQ&s=19
https://x.com/harpeylarpy/status/1882671346649636921?t=8iSbyiNzhES_aUeg8uyHCg&s=19

taly (@talytokki) on X

i made a tiktok about sean back in june and my tiktok got suspended for a week …

X · Jan 24, 2025, 6:14 AM

harpeylarpy (@harpeylarpy) on X

oh nah wtf, bro actually works for hybe, this some crazy ass shit, her acc got suspended

X · Jan 24, 2025, 6:06 AM

Multiple people had this experience with sean lim

[cerulean lake]

i do believe that hybe and sean lim is sus, but also that user was making statements towards his chinese ethnicity so they could have been suspended

however it’s weird that it says “legal demand” it wouldn’t just say that if they were suspended over some statements

[short laurel]

multiple people including taly got suspended. so it's not just that.

[stiff prairie]

i thought these were just hybe stans mass reporting them. maybe he misuses copyright claim? cause i don't think you can use bots to report an account even if you use it to increase views and followers.

[cerulean lake]

anyways at least this shows that he’s definitely sus

[upbeat stream]

It says all countries but I can still access it

[short laurel]

What?

[ashen charm]

Newjeans name comes today omg

[jolly junco]

today? not tomorrow?

[copper jetty]

Maybe it's a timezone difference

I hope they go live on IG to announce their new name.

[mental lynx]

i dont think they will announce the name directly but idk, i am here for a surprise

[upbeat stream]

"withheld in all countries", but it's accessible for me

[short laurel]

Ooh. That's cuz her profile is back. That was just example posts, check taly's posts above n replies in her posts. Main point is multiple people have experienced this when posting about sean lim.
(But the account in 2nd links img is like lia so don't support them)

[stiff prairie]

did they say smth about revealing name? i thought they're just getting opinions from others and will reveal name and everything after they establish agency and stuff

[mental lynx]

no they just asked for names

[waxen musk]

The girls needs to research if they can use a newly suggested name they like to see if they can copyright it and then they would need to snatch up all the social media accounts with that name before someone else does.

Was this the first day since the mourning period where there was zero activity on their IG?
Edit: I checked and yeah this is correct.

[waxen musk]

This brings up more questions such as do the girls have a team already to help them with all of this? I would have expected them to have a team already who can help them with all of this stuff, including making them new logos for their new name, etc. I almost feel like they're doing things in a weird order if they are currently doing everything alone.

[cerulean lake]

yeah i’m hoping that they have some team that they trust that could help them with ordering things out + a legal team that’s advising them in case hybe tries to pull something out to try and sue them

[red thorn]

Well legal rep one already confirmed, but the production, that if their name contest suggesting they're in prep for production activities, is not out of reach for them I think

[sly python]

new group name drops today?

[waxen musk]

Not necessarily. The competition ends after 2 days, aka in a few hours. I have doubts they'll just announce it right away.

[sly python]

true, they'll take a day or 2 to assess

[waxen musk]

I think you skipped over what I wrote above, more reasons to not announce it right away.

[sly python]

personally i welcome a name change as their evolving as a person & artist

[waxen musk]

We'll all get used to it after a short while. Just feels weird at first.

[sly python]

yea i cant wait for the world tour later this year :)

[waxen musk]

I can't imagine it. I won't expect anything like that to be honest.

On their Christmas radio show appearance they basically said they'd be happy if they get to have a fan meeting in Korea similar to that in Japan last year. If they can pull that off I think they'll be happy. Don't expect a world tour this year lol.

And even that was more like a hope than anything solid.

[ashen charm]

It's gunna be NJ1 isn't it

[waxen musk]

We'll get it eventually, either way.

[stable escarp]

Eventually

[acoustic marsh]

I think the most we get this yr is more music

Counting on it omg so exciting

[upbeat stream]

Think their goal this year is fanmeeting

Since they have mentioned it several times

[sly python]

newjeans2

[waxen musk]

2 New 2 Jeanious

[sly python]

im sure MHJ will curate something fresh & innovative

[stable escarp]

7 year plan 🗣

[polar owl]

Let's call them "Super Natural"

Also, they appointed a legal team now .... does it mean they had none till now ? 🤔

[wind monolith]

No im pretty sure they had it before too it just wasnt public

[polar owl]

Hmm...now daggers are drawn.

What's the escape route for Hybe, where they save their face, claim a victory yet exit from this mess they created?

A long protracted legal battle trying to hurt 5 young girls doesn't seem to be very nice PR.

[short laurel]

Bts cb, face saved. Unfortunate but that's what they banking on.

[half knot]

it can be different interpretations of it, they must have had significant legal advice throughout everything, but perhaps they had not appointed sejeong lawfirm as their legal "representatives" until these upcoming notices and court cases came up

the two things are different

[stiff prairie]

usually when ppl say they have lawyers they mean they have contacts with some lawyers and on legal counsel they pay the appropriate amount for those instances to those lawyers. you only appoint lawyers when you filed a case or on the recieving end of one which has become the scenario now

[stiff prairie]

they won't lose the moral battle as long as they have reddit and twitter warriors fighting for them.

[shy viper]

Is it safe to say that most tokkis in this discord is pro MHJ? Like what’s the status quo?

[stable escarp]

For me i like her for her involvement in music. Could care less about anything else, especially when everything against her does not add up and is completely idiotic.
If shes beneficial for the girls, then thats all I would want. We live separate lives no need to get that personal.

[acoustic marsh]

Imo the rumors against her were a bit vague and lack solid evidence so i can’t rly say whtever allegations she had, had any concrete basis. Overall she’s still the lesser evil in my eyes bc of the industry being rly fucked so yes in a sense i guess

Also if the girls r for her i will support them, they know wht theyre in for and wht she brings to the table

[craggy skiff]

I respect her tailent and as long as she can make benefit to the girl then Ill support her.
Im not relly care about her personal life. And for me, shaman and bad mouth is not a big deal

[radiant marlin]

yeah i think most of the tokkis in this server are pro mhj. im still in the fence about her though. there are just too many controversies and speculations surrounding her for me to be able to support her

[short laurel]

i've never seen a single artists she worked with be against her. so i just dismiss all the allegations. especially when all of the allegations and controversies came from intl fandoms.

[stable escarp]

All the allegations and controversies surrounding her, shake people up way too easily. Legit, innocent until proven guilty.

[waxen musk]

Did that injunction to stop independent activities happen before or after the cancelled Light Jeans? Because this new CK stuff… just lol. Things are good.

I assume they do have a team of people helping with deals like this. I just wonder how that technically works if they don’t technically employ these people that help yet or have a new company they’re working for.

[upbeat stream]

She gets hit tweets on korean twitter every few weeks lol. At the start of the year, there was a question asking for women of the year, and someone said min hee-jin and han kang, got 20k likes

[waxen musk]

The more public support from brands they get, the easier it’ll be for them to get even more. Very good sign.

I will say the only concern is this new name that’s yet to be decided. Would brands even want to promote their products alongside a new TEMPORARY group name or stick with the MHDHH thing we’ve seen a few times now?

[waxen musk]

No update on the name thing today. Not even closed comments.

[hoary frost]

I like DHHHM more it looks like damn

[waxen musk]

lol how have I never seen DHHHM before.

[hoary frost]

I like how MHDHH is in order of seniority LOL

[upbeat stream]

You know what this means? That hybe can't leverage BTS members' deals to force brands to side with them. I always thought it's a bit ridiculous because BTS would never do that, they aren't evil

Redditors have been very sure that that's exactly what will happen because they think so little of their fav

CK has a brand deal with Jungkook, if hybe could threaten them using this, they would

[waxen musk]

How would Hybe threatening CK even work?

[flint stone]

They would say something like, if u keep working with nj, we won't let bts work with you

[short laurel]

Hybe isn't that big, if they not want their artists to work with them, CK will just look for another artists, ck have deals with many korean celebrities. They can afford to go without 1 company whose public reputation is already in mud.

[stiff prairie]

been out of the loop for a short while. did CK announce any new collab?

[flint stone]

That's the point, but hybe think that it is the biggest company and they have power

[short laurel]

Bts are big yes but they biggest in kpop circle, in korea outside kpop circle, there are bigger celebrities than bts they can contact.

[short laurel]

That's their arrogance, it means nothing to other brands.

Even bigger companies who are not even in entertainment business care about public reputation when they mess up big time. Even samsung family had to apologise when their prince n princes behaved bad in public.

Hybe ignoring all this while being in entertainment company will only bring them downfall. We all know they surviving mainly through bts but for how long can they just rely on 1 group, do they expect bts to remain super active even in their 50's?

[waxen musk]

The CK stuff being global is a good sign too because we know in Korea that NJ's rep is still very good but it's in the West where I feel like more people either don't know them or probably are more influenced by the media play. So global brands supporting NJ is especially important. There's never a doubt that Korea brands would side with them though.

[jade jolt]

~ t
https://x.com/jeanzbts/status/1883159472027430966

☘︎ (@jeanzbts) on X

and this is how you end “brand don't wanna work with newjeans anymore” allegations

we LOVE you minji hanni danielle haerin hyein

X · Jan 25, 2025, 2:26 PM

[waxen musk]

That plus Vogue + Dani's Omega stuff. There's a good amount of stuff.

[stiff prairie]

i don't think that bape is a thing tho. they only wore it once and choi or sb else posted the costumes. unlike clarks where they got gifted and posted it on stories

[waxen musk]

They've been wearing custom Bape for years.

Same for many other brands (Coyseio as one example)

Even the CK stuff seemed to be like this style of collab until it was made "official" later last year. They spent most of the year wearing CK, even at the concert they had custom-made outfits (which look very similar to the ones in the new photos today).

[stiff prairie]

that one CK picture from tokyo dome was to die for

[craggy skiff]

Dang. This one is pretty good too

[stiff prairie]

best imo out of everything from tokyo dome

[hoary frost]

Wait theres that pic of hyein from the back its comparable

[tardy smelt]

so many candid pics from those two days that look straight out of a movie

[fierce cloak]

it's lunar new year week so the girls must have go home to enjoy holiday with their family
so there wont be much news upcoming days because people in korea have a few days off too

[waxen musk]

Yeah I know, I just thought maybe there’d be some acknowledgment that the two days are up and close comments. I explained yesterday why I don’t think we’ll hear anything that soon anyway. (I didn't expect anything tbh, and they need some to be able to read the comments)

[waxen musk]

I don't normally like being made aware of what this idiot posts but this made me laugh
The 😲 emoji

[orchid field]

satirically reply 'to sue the shit outta hybe'

[jade jolt]

This wierdo is obsessed with Hanni like it s actually crazy

[split bramble]

you demand things like that you risk all your artists being blacklisted by advertisers

[flint stone]

Wait,actually it's possible, never thought about it

[acoustic marsh]

R they a fan or just a creep?

[hoary frost]

Creeper

[acoustic marsh]

Grosss

[orchid field]

Worse, they are a hater

[short laurel]

Incredibly creepy people who are more up to date with nj than bunnies.

[split bramble]

they're hybe workers, remember one of them posted mhj's private case info regarding house that shouldnt be public knowledge?

[red thorn]

Out of anti accounts, that account is the 🤡 one and yet people and news outlet even source that account

[craggy skiff]

Hater never stop trying to break the girl' unification.
Make up unfair treated story, a member isolated by the rest, and then visa status.

[split bramble]

tag pr case should teach everyone some of these anti accounts arent unpaid cheerleaders but people with vested interested for one side.

[short laurel]

Yea, they leaked the info that only court, mhj n her lawyers n employee B n her lawyers knew at the time.

[jade jolt]

This account is made to hate on nj and always spreading fake news about them and a lot. Of dumb. People believe

[acoustic marsh]

Why r they so obsessed they need to get a life

[cerulean lake]

they have no life and they can’t get a real job so they have to live a pathetic life and hate on a group to make money 😔

[stiff prairie]

No counter media play after the ck leaks yet?

[short laurel]

Sunday

[stiff prairie]

I thought they weren't waiting for Mondays anymore

[short laurel]

They too random

[stiff prairie]

i noticed that last few times anything good news about us they tried to drown it out by releasing something from dispatch or ador would come out spewing visa talks and media outlets would run those articles.

could be a good thing they're out of stuff to leak or finally felt the shame of bringing up same shit again and again

[short laurel]

Many ppl on holiday cuz of upcoming lunar new year.

[stiff prairie]

ahh i see. ck leaks dropped on a good time then

[short laurel]

Hybe ran out of things to say for months, they've been repeating same things in media, n i doubt they'll stop as long as case is still on going

[stiff prairie]

yeah i bet they have different angles of the same pics taken by dispatch of the lawyers, mhj, mhdhh to run articles later too

in any case, i'm just glad we could enjoy one good news without any issues this time

[waxen musk]

People were bracing for January to be a tough month to get through but I feel like the bad stuff hasn't even really started yet. The month is basically already over with next week being a holiday, too. Hopefully each upcoming month wont be any worse.

[stiff prairie]

january has been kind of a tough month. it's just the fandom has now created a resistance to all these media plays. I'm actually kinda proud that our 2 yr old fandom is able to go toe to toe against a fandom of huge caliber and seasoned veterans on hating other ggs.

[waxen musk]

I don't know why I went on reddit today. I saw a timeline graphic of MHJ events, just showing how obsessed these people are who don't even like NewJeans.
I also saw people saying that Ador approaching the parents was a sign of the the girls ditching the parents. Truly baffling stuff. I'm amazed I can still be surprised by them at this point.
Anyway that was all I needed to see after weeks of avoidance.

(I went on there because I heard a lot of subreddits are starting to ban Twitter links. I would hope things like people linking to aespannjeans would stop if this was the case but then I remembered people have plenty of other sources to pick from from the many Korea media play "news" sites out there.)

[stiff prairie]

when bunnies say they're deluded i used it's just a thing ppl say. but not anymore. one week mhj ditched nj the next week mhj and nj are in cahoots to bring down poor hybe. one week parents are evil and greedy and now girls are ditching parents? like whatever helps them sleep ig

[stiff prairie]

yeah the football subs i go to mostly banned twitter. but i don't think kpop can do without twitter atm. not until some other platform like bluesky go bit more mainstream at least. all voting chart stuff new drops, fancams etc goes thru twitter first

[cinder narwhal]

which sub is this on? I'm curious and want something to laugh about

[waxen musk]

I sent you link in DM.

[upbeat stream]

kpop_uncensored probably

[waxen musk]

Yeah it was. Didn't want to share it here because don't want people going there and becoming miserable like I did. (Also people won't believe I barely visit reddit.)

[short laurel]

Everyone, not just gg, they were hating on bruno too

[cerulean lake]

just go on the newjeans subreddit and express ur opinions there bc everyone there laughs at the ppl on the other subs anyways

[short laurel]

That's kinda funny cuz some admins are admins of all kpop groups subreddit.

[cinder narwhal]

thanks that was fun

[stiff prairie]

I thought that's mostly because of association with rose. I think they kinda fear bg fandoms? If ateez were a gg they'd surely go after them fully armed asw.

[stiff prairie]

Almost all h stans that comment there ends up deleting those after a few days of getting schooled

[short laurel]

Seen them make drama with ateez too.

Anyone who has a decent name in public n is even slightly associated with kpop, they've made drama with them all. Bg gg mix solo band doesn't matter who.
Even with fellow groups within hybe.

[stiff prairie]

Idk about previous ones but on the bsh diss a lot of them tried to say it's not dissing bsh and not a big deal as if to avoid any conflict. And even those that did, moved on real fast.

[short laurel]

Not talking about recent one. There was one few years ago.

[stiff prairie]

The obsession w trying to be the only successful group in west. That's all

[short laurel]

Yup

It's called blocking the way, not paving the way, also not west, just usa. Kpop was decently popular in eu even be4 bts was a thing.

[stiff prairie]

Oh idk about those. And hopefully I won't hear anything that'll happen in k-pop drama world after this whole newjeans issue goes away after a few years too

[short laurel]

If u want that then u have to completely ignore kpop, only listen to music n ignore everything else otherwise u won't be free 😭

[stiff prairie]

Unfortunately I care about mhdhh a bit too much. I gotta stay locked in in terms of their positive stuff and negatives too
I can just not care about other k-pop groups that I listen to once in a while tho

[cerulean lake]

yup k-pop literally thrives on drama

[short laurel]

if it helps. majority of the time it's bs, drama over nothing.

[cerulean lake]

like it or not people literally cannot stop making drama in kpop but i mean it’s the entertainment industry and that’s common even in the west

[short laurel]

it easier to ignore in others. in kpop even after blocking it, it comes back up. idk if it's due to my region, but kpop drama is something my internet can never avoid unless i block entire korea feeds.

[cerulean lake]

i will say that i believe kpop idols are held to a very high standard tho

like ppl are extremely quick to cancel a kpop idol but not really with western artists even if they do something even worse

like you see ppl on twt claiming that a western celebrity is cancelled but they’re never actually cancelled bc ppl end up still going back to them

which is why i believe drama is rampant in kpop

[short laurel]

well in all eastern countries i say. not just kpop. just kpop is more international compared to other.

[split bramble]

in less than one year of individual solo careers rose, jennie, lisa have cleared any solo activity of bts combined, and jisoo is on track to be the next song hye kyo, jun ji hyun

misogny is huge in korea and rising rapidly elsewhere so its normal they'll get attacked by those incels

[upbeat stream]

Yeah despite the misogyny female celebrities thrive in Korea

[fierce cloak]

not really 'high standard' but more like idealise idols to a perfect god-like figure and remove their humanity
Also, kpop as a whole industry is small af compared to other music industry in the world
BTS is big, but 'not that big' as their fans claimed to be, there are plenty giants around the world
Also, the best musicians are the one have long lasting careers for their lifetime, but in kpop it has circle and most of them wont continue active for more than 15-20 years

[split bramble]

bts isnt really massive if you consider the music industry as a whole, numbers of their individual charting is super inflated

jungkook is big, jhope and v has respect of his peers but rest dont have high ceiling

[copper jetty]

good morning guys. Any new news or media play? I'm thinking Hybe's PR might be on a holiday too cause of the lunar new year but the way they release things on random and not media play monday is getting me anxious

[short laurel]

even within korean music industry, kpop is only small part of it.

like so many people have said. kpop is fast fashion of music industry.

[stiff prairie]

~t https://x.com/juantokki/status/1883712714171953418

[narrow seal]

250127 juantokki Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/juantokki/status/1883712714171953418
Kho Sang-rok… smh. His recent behavior raises eyebrows. Once known for his objective and balanced legal insights into the HYBE-MHJ conflict, the lawyer’s stance has taken a perplexing turn.

In a surprising shift, Kho has clashed with colleagues within his own firm and had a

[stiff prairie]

can sb school me on this guy. is he just a lawyer online that changed his favorable opinion towards newjeans or was he at any point involved closely to team bunnies

[short laurel]

Idk but we can be sure he ate hybe money

[stiff prairie]

as long as they're not paying the actual judges/ have the chance to do so idc

[cerulean lake]

if hybe ever did that and got exposed they would forever be in deep shit

[stiff prairie]

wait there's a chance of that happening? i was just talking in hyperbole

[short laurel]

Yea, it's very common. Rich ppl paying judge to either extend the suit or get lower punishment.

[stiff prairie]

another fear unlocked

[short laurel]

Ofc judge n rich guy can get in huge trouble if it gets exposed, especially in cases with public interest.

I everyday hope for something so huge to leak that hybe would nvr be able to recover from, even with support of its stans

[stiff prairie]

idk about anything else just one whistleblower from those news agencies where they get their materials from and the case will open up so much even judges won't be able to take bribes cause of overwhelming public proofs

[jolly junco]

Welcome to asia 🤣

[stiff prairie]

as an asian myself i trust SK to be one of the most advanced asian countries where judicial corruptions do not occur esp in high profile cases

[short laurel]

this issue is all over the world, not just asia unfortunately

[short laurel]

depends case by case but ||this is my observation but i've seen religion rule country many times is better than non religious countries like SK and Japan when it comes to handling corruption. ofc it depends on the type of case and parties involved||

[mild mist]

I still just want them to hurry up and get these cases sorted
They are just civil cases so they can push them up the list, so to speak

[jolly junco]

nah, the only country in asia i trust with no bribing is China. Its a death sentence

any other country beside China is very corupt, especially in asia

[stiff prairie]

i'm sure other countries would have enough corruption to sentence honest ppl to death if they go against ppl w money

[half knot]

not sure if satire or unironic

[hoary frost]

I dont think u shld b saying this