NJZ Updates and Discussion

[stiff prairie]

*x -c https://x.com/cato_o_o/status/1876782002759770315

[harsh dove]

@cato_o_o <t:1736294673:d>

Article

January 8 2025

[Analysis: Behind the Scenes] The “Bang Si-Hyuk Secret Contract” and the Challenges It Left Behind

Among investors, the incident is widely seen as one that undermines the transparency and fairness of South Korea’s IPO market

Choi Seo-Cheol

Link👇

[stiff prairie]

https://n.news.naver.com/article/015/0005079298?sid=110

[short laurel]

I need jeff to report on all these. If sk wanna let hybe bs slide then international investors must know n sk suffer the backlash for it.

[stiff prairie]

idk if jeff will ever do it since he covers entertainment stuff mainly but i do hope someone from business/finance report on it

[red thorn]

Did Jeff even covered the hybe internal documents issue

[short laurel]

Yea i just hope this news gets international attention.

[cerulean lake]

hybe will try to block the news from spreading in sk in the first place so there needs to be more traction if there’s even the chance of international attention on it

plus intl kpop fans aren’t probably gonna read abt finance issues unless it results in something big like someone getting arrested

[short laurel]

i m not talking about fans. and it's already in korean media. i m talking about intl investors small and big cuz this affects them all.

korea letting a potential stock market scam be is huge issue beyond kpop.

[short laurel]

I c alot of stupid comments by Tokkies on twitter so I want to say something here if anyone here read twter bs.

If incase ador win the validity case, it's not the end, ador would have to file another lawsuit to get any compensation from girls which ador is less likely to win if we go by past precedence.

[stiff prairie]

If all these stuff that happened, hybe doc leaks etc isn't enough to invalidate the contract, I don't know if anything will ever be enough unless maybe if higher ups beat up idols on camera or smth.

[short laurel]

court has sided with artists over management change. it should be easy win.

[cerulean lake]

i’m hoping that’s the case but at the same time i don’t want to be optimistic just to be faced w disappointment

[short laurel]

i m more worried about MHJ case than NJ case tbh. i fully believe NJ will have no problem winning the case. it's just hybe mediaplay that's gonna be the problem.

[storm warren]

choi yumi seems to have removed ador from instagram bio

[faint oyster]

Do they have a chance to resolve everything before February?

[red thorn]

Haha fat chance

[short laurel]

before february 2035? yea

i mentioned this be4. and i forgot the group name again but they fought for years to get their IP from their label.

[polar owl]

Is there a Whistleblower protection act or something similar in SK?

[short laurel]

and hybe is sure to mediaplay during all that time.

[acoustic marsh]

2 days till mhj vs belift

How are we feeling?

[sweet pebble]

chill

[gentle badger]

[stiff prairie]

*x -c https://x.com/cato_o_o/status/1877186402586153006

[harsh dove]

@cato_o_o <t:1736391089:d>

Article

Jan 9 2025

NewJeans Wraps Up Scheduled Commitments with ADOR… Embarking on an Independent Path [IS Focus]

“Whatever happens, we’ll give our all until the very end.”

Currently, NewJeans is reportedly only fulfilling private advertising commitments.

Kim Ji-hye

Link👇

[stiff prairie]

https://m.entertain.naver.com/article/241/0003406424

[short laurel]

Wait wait. In the last pic n line irks me. Og ador planned the nj1, world tour n fan meeting but odor cancelled it. It didn't mention the cancelled part but instead said girls refused to work with odor.

Also what's the article koreans are taking about. Translators are retweeting them but giving no translations. N what comments are being deleted

[stiff prairie]

idk which one you're talking about. i saw a couple of twts saying ten asia's parent company is doing some media play today and how it's predictable since it's the day before hearing starts.

maybe it's for the better that those articles aren't getting viral in twt since all antis are camping there

[short laurel]

All the retweets on catto's page

[waxen musk]

https://x.com/juantokki/status/1877250873782579663

1tokki (@juantokki) on X

Here's what you need to know about Davolink:

-Davolink is basically a fraud who wanted to spike its stock value by linking itself to Min Hee-jin and Lee Jae Myung (politician). When Min Hee-jin publicly denied her involvement their stocks plummeted because 1) they were a fraud

Twitter · Jan 9, 2025, 7:07 AM

Just more of Hybe having absolutely nothing new to talk about.

[stiff prairie]

they're just recycling old stuff now

[waxen musk]

There's also Ador posting that they have cancelled tomorrow's Light Jeans release. This opens up so many questions but a lot of people are jumping to conclusions. I think we'll have to wait until next week to see if this is a one-off or not.

[stiff prairie]

i'm more curious about ador cancelling. laws or permission from artist never stopped them before

[waxen musk]

Might be Elle's request.

I don't see Ador already starting to accept the fact the girls are no longer with them.

That's the reason why I said wait until next week to see if it's a one-off.

Or it could be staff at Ador or the video editors refusing to work with them?

Like I said it opens up so many questions.

[stiff prairie]

i don't think that's the case. unless ador announced unfinished work 3 days before

[red thorn]

This was my first thought lol

[waxen musk]

I heard Choi Yumi was the most recent to remove Ador from her Instagram bio. Do we know who does still have it in their bio?

[stiff prairie]

yellz still has her up. saw the day before yesterday

[jade jolt]

But i don t get it if they cancelled the Elle light jeans why didn t they also cancel the zine from today

[waxen musk]

Was it Elle for Calvin Klein? Could be either Elle or Calvin Klein having issues with it. I do think it would be weird for them to request a cancellation of a video that has yet to be released so even I'm doubting this.

Most people on Twitter are commenting about the image rights for the girls. I also doubt that until things happen through the courts.

What specifically is happening tomorrow? I'm always so unsure.

[wind monolith]

Mhj vs belift

[copper jetty]

Belift case vs mhj is tomorrow

But can somebody give me a tldr about what the case is gonna be about? Is it the defamation of belift against mhj about her live? Is that it or are there more?

[mild mist]

Isn't there a source music something coming up tomorrow as well?

[short laurel]

it should be MHJ vs belift and somu

[cerulean lake]

oh no i can already hear the other fandoms coming 🤧

the other court cases already attracted a lot of attention but these ones are probably gonna attract more 😔

not a good sign especially if mhj doesn’t win against those two 🤮 companies

[mild mist]

Well if she loses then it makes the wrongful dismissal case exponentially more difficult

If hybe loses then they'll just put out a press release saying that they won

[stable escarp]

Are we screwed if she loses 😭

[wind monolith]

Lets just wait for it to happen

[hushed whale]

[flint stone]

To not hear them, just listen NewJeans songs instead

[acoustic marsh]

I think it’s a separate matter so i don’t think it will affect new jeans tht much— considering tmrw’s case is belift vs mhj bc belift sued mhj over defamation

[acoustic marsh]

they both sued each other so i think mostly focus on mhj suing for copyright issues & copying & belift suing for defamation

[stable escarp]

oh so just a defamation suit tmr ok i dont have too much to worry then

[short laurel]

i think it'll be hard to win over copyright issue in this case. the way i understand it, what belift did is more of moral issue. it'll be hard to prove in court.

[stiff prairie]

there was some stuff about belift acquiring nj planning before debuting illit on the internal reports. and i hope there's more that are undisclosed

[stable escarp]

team tokki said they got lotta ammunition for the copyright issue so take that how you will

[short laurel]

Yea i hope so too

[acoustic marsh]

It’s gonna be tough for sure bc there’s not enough creative/art copyright law

But frm the last time it was talked about there were passing down of laptops n whatnot so if mhj presents enough evidence hopefully it cud pull thru

Hoping for the best

I think wht hybe’s rly stupid abt is tht they’re pretty reckless with getting their way & not cleaning up their trails

[short laurel]

they have been like this since forever. kpop as a whole has been like that. public priorities are just not right.

all the shady things they pull are usually kept hidden in other countries but in kpop it's all done so openly. and it's idols who have to constantly apologize for companies bs.

then there are those "i know korean" youtuber and twt translators who intentionally mistranslate or selectively translator stuff to get clicks.

so as usual hybe thinks they'll get away with everything. and tbh they will even if they lose.

[stiff prairie]

this is the issue for me. even if they lose everything they're just one bts comeback away from basically erasing all bad records. as long as companies have artists with fans under them, they'll get away w anything

[acoustic marsh]

I think im still hopeful eventho im anxious as hell but i shall just see where it goes

[short laurel]

meanwhile korea still haven't forgiven T.O.P. companies get away with so much shit while artists becomes criminal for crying about their suffering.

[stiff prairie]

what's T.O.P again?

[ocean arch]

From big bang

I think he was arrested for smoking weed

[stiff prairie]

ohh is he the same guy from squid games?

[ocean arch]

Yeah

[acoustic marsh]

Yeahh and he’s on season 2 of squid games yep

[stiff prairie]

saw it a few days. didn't know his name

[short laurel]

he was mentally not stable. and made poor decision. instead of providing him help. he got punished.

[stiff prairie]

also no one cares about weed in 2025. people in music/art do way harder drugs than that anyways. they're just not public

[white arch]

Depends on country, also why yall speaking about that on NJ Updates 😭

[stiff prairie]

yeah nvm

[pulsar wasp]

so what does Light Jeans cancelled release “due to internal and external circumstances” mean now?

[stiff prairie]

optimistic bunnies are saying ador finally coming to realize they can't use the artist that left the company anymore (maybe pressure from calvin klein itself or ador stuff refusing to work anymore idk) but i think they're just concentrating on more media play tomorrow

[stiff prairie]

*x -c https://x.com/cato_o_o/status/1877369399365034056

[harsh dove]

@cato_o_o <t:1736434719:d>

Scammer Davolink guy Park Jung Gyu who claims to have met MHJ in the trash rag article has scammed many investors trying to make a quick buck linking his fly by night company to any trending topic imaginable for a short spike in stock price to unload his shares to small investors

[gentle badger]

~t https://x.com/thegreatgaram/status/1877422939751993451?t=ZXlbEXBibC9Q06Ni8bHDUg&s=19

[narrow seal]

250109 thegreatgaram Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/thegreatgaram/status/1877422939751993451
Some good insight on MHJ "vs" Employee B SH discourse on r/newjeans https://www.reddit.com/r/NewJeans/comments/1gw447t/comment/m3zyjbi/

[upbeat stream]

Nah it would have been postponed then, not cancelled. And the lawsuit doesn't even involve ador, it's belift and source against mhj, none of them are associated with ador

CK blocked it (idk why), there's literally no other reasonable explanation

[waxen musk]

Today's Jeans' ZINE included a paid promotion but it was not obvious what they were advertising tbh.

I was thinking, maybe all future Light Jeans could be cancelled, and the only thing left for them they must upload are these Jeans' ZINE episodes because they need to contractually show the paid promotion.

Does my logic make sense? Obviously I don't know anything but no one does. I do think the Light Jeans cancellation has very deep implications.

[waxen musk]

I also don't see Elle or Calvin Klein cancelling a video, like what do they gain from doing that? I don't see it hurting their brands if the video did go up. Also why would they do it a day before it's released? Did Ador have to send it over to them for approval? They leave it pretty late if they do it the day before it's uploaded, you know how back and forth emails take forever to get anything done in business.

I don't know man... too many possibilities.

Time will tell.

[fleet nebula]

we got nothing but time

[upbeat stream]

I have a crazy explanation, so humor me. What if nwjns asked CK to block it? Won't be the first brand to comply with their request (like other brands not mentioning newjeans), although this one is a lot bolder than the others. And I'm not sure how exactly it works but CK should be well within their rights to block it since it's their photoshoot's bts.

The other and perhaps a bit more likely explanation is that CK thinks nwjns' image is so toxic that they don't wanna be assosciated with it anymore and calling off the brand deal completely

Don't even want the behind to be released, idk though

[waxen musk]

Aren't they still appearing in some stores?

My local one, they stopped appearing last time I checked yesterday. But I saw others from around the world a couple of days ago that still feature NewJeans.

[warm shard]

I'm not sure. I think it might be due to Ador/Hybe being the ones publishing it so I think that's the side/brand they probably see as toxic

[storm warren]

their campaign is plastered everywhere

[upbeat stream]

I know but it takes time to remove everything, their Shinhan ads are still around in Korea

[storm warren]

Shinhan ads are around bc they will be there until March

[waxen musk]

Every theory I think of or read I find just as easy to think of why it wouldn’t happen. Really clueless.

[storm warren]

contract ended in Dec but they filmed content that will run until March

[upbeat stream]

Oh, I thought it ended in December. It's till March?

[storm warren]

• releasing behind footage does not change anything for CK or Elle.

[waxen musk]

I think my theory of staff or editors refusing to work is most likely in my opinion.

[storm warren]

might have resigned and short staffed?

[upbeat stream]

But then they would've postponed it

and had someone else work on it, like another hybe label or even 3rd party

[storm warren]

we have to see whether this is one time issue or not as well

[waxen musk]

And they’ll just finish up Jeans’ ZINE and that’s it.

[waxen musk]

Maybe. But finding new editors would take a little while plus them getting up to speed, the contract behind their work, etc. would take a couple of weeks at least.

[waxen musk]

Yeah everything is a waiting game.

[warm shard]

They probably had it ready for a while though since it wasn't recorded last week

[upbeat stream]

And shouldn't Zine be affected too?

[warm shard]

Though seeing as how a certain company has moments of not being ready with their MVs on their release day on schedules they set themselves.... who knows

[waxen musk]

All we're doing is making up scenarios in our head.
All we know is Ador announced the video on Monday for release on a Friday and cancelled it on the Thursday. Why would they announce it so close to it being cancelled. If they knew it would be cancelled earlier on, they wouldn't have said it's coming out this week in the first place.

The filmed the footage months ago. I would assume they started editing it before they announced it on Monday, not after, but who knows.

[upbeat stream]

Yeah you are right. Which is why I think nwjns saw the announcement, asked CK to block it and they did

I know it's a bit unserious but I like it lol

[waxen musk]

Seems like a waste of time tbh if they did that. It barely affects them if they just left things alone.

[warm shard]

But why would they ask that now if they have released behind videos before

[waxen musk]

This is a real puzzle, huh.

[upbeat stream]

Tbh the girls are pretty big on taunting and getting one up on ador/hybe

[waxen musk]

Just trying to understand the point of cancelling in the first place would help with the speculation. We have nothing.

[storm warren]

https://x.com/liltokki5/status/1876871442450583748

[waxen musk]

What if Ador just cancelled the video themselves to stir up drama and distract. Again just endless theories.

[upbeat stream]

Lmfao we both had the same thought at the same time

I was going to say just that

[warm shard]

the external pressure was bang pd all along

Or it's the shaman at work again 😟

[marble cape]

so is this davo article real?

its kinda weird this comes out right before mhj court thingy

[wind monolith]

No its mediaplay thats it

[wind monolith]

Theres gonna be alot more of this stuff

[heady gate]

I realized Shaman is normal in South Korea society. https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/nation/2024/12/113_389129.html

[jolly junco]

its the first hearing today, any news yet?

[jolly junco]

not just korea, but the whole asia. Each country just have a different name. Even my country has those shaman thing

[red thorn]

Knowing there was Shamans dating show in kr, ig its not that taboo thing
But it seems doesn't mean people won't scrutinize

[waxen musk]

@hoary frost https://www.tiktok.com/@talytokki/video/7458077975385312555

[red thorn]

The tiktoker that said mhj abandoned nj either took kr article machine translation from one source at face value bc sometimes translate error into phrasing with opposite meaning or just disinformation intention

[wind monolith]

I aint gonna lie its too quiet rn😭 i expected alot more media play

[waxen musk]

It’s only 1 pm.

[cinder verge]

can someone explain this davolink stuff briefly

also what is the schedule for legal/court stuff

[waxen musk]

Did you watch the video above?

[cinder verge]

nah my fault ill watch it rn

[stiff prairie]

Nothing out yet?

[orchid field]

The way we are so ingrained to expect bad shit to happen…

We all have ptsd

[stiff prairie]

being a bunny is hard work

i just know when everything is over the happiness will be equally great

[orchid field]

https://tenor.com/view/взгляд-2000-ярдов-война-war-soldier-gif-3632617944134077161

[rugged dagger]

got blocked by mimidovee on tiktok for explaining this to someone lmfao. like ok stay in your echochamber then

[red thorn]

The first clash supposed to be afternoon kst, wondering if it's already started

[cerulean lake]

target audience for a certain app

[jolly junco]

are there still no news about MHJ 1st hearing against belift?

[short laurel]

No news means good news. News means hybe side winning

[tawdry vessel]

quite means the court hearing is still goin on

[hollow sorrel]

https://n.news.naver.com/article/421/0008015672?sid=102

she didn’t attend

and that is not a problem but a certain fandom on twitter is going to twist the narrative

her legal representatives were there, but she wasn’t

[red thorn]

Only legal rep present on both sides

[short laurel]

title is so bad.

[hollow sorrel]

yup

[upbeat stream]

For a civil defamation lawsuit, it's quite normal to only send your lawyers

[narrow seal]

250110 catzkang Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/catzkang/status/1877624674747548002
so the ministry just announced their position regarding reports about hanni today…..

[cosmic belfry]

and that is? or should be imply it from the dot dot dot

[short laurel]

they didn't translate what ministry said

[stable escarp]

-prayjeans

[tall dew]

[stiff prairie]

we're doing cliffhangers on these too

[tardy smelt]

like why

[short laurel]

anyways it's wild to me how no agency did anything about ador publically sharing hanni's visa info.

[vale dagger]

~t
https://x.com/catzkang/status/1877626866246238333?t=97kHh9cD9S4JvzOLgNUhGg&s=19

[narrow seal]

250110 catzkang Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/catzkang/status/1877626866246238333
“It is difficult to answer personal questions such as whether a specific foreigner, a third party, violated the Immigration Control Act through a complaint."

“Appropriate action will be taken once the working relationship between the parties involved is resolved”

[stable escarp]

I would assume they asked hanni about the matter and she maybe didnt want to pursue it. but idk

[cosmic belfry]

Sounds like nothing to me

[stiff prairie]

to play devil's advocate ador will say "we didn't reveal if visa status is ended or anything. we just said we're working on her visa" etc etc

[stable escarp]

This sounds so dumb like wdym appropriate action once the realtionship is resolved? This is an entirely different matter about revealing private information? And the fact that they are saying its difficult to come to a conclusion of violation is absurd

[stiff prairie]

it'll take months to resolve the things they're talking about. and by the time ppl will forget

[stable escarp]

Better not be another full blown year of trauma

[mild mist]

"top ten words said in today's press conference
Number seven will surprise you!"

[short laurel]

whenever i a 7 on twt siding with NJ, i m always surprise and check their account. only to c they are from different fandom.

[narrow seal]

250110 catzkang Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/catzkang/status/1877633088840417454
@vin1334 https://m.entertain.naver.com/article/396/0000697643

[red thorn]

I only see Star News reported some the arguments in this first hearing
http://v.daum.net/v/20250110163332024
http://v.daum.net/v/20250110170834050
http://v.daum.net/v/20250110171332176

Next trial judge will have to look into choreography part

[short laurel]

i get mad while reading this. all of this are just belift sides. we barely has anything from mhj side. also the claims belfit made are already desputed well in public.

public saw illit and thought it was nj. that is true so how cna belift say it's not true. and dates about illit concept were already contradicted by belfit itself. why isn't it brought up.

[mild mist]

Might have been, just not reported

Or it might be that the court didn't have time to allow min heejin's lawyer to present their argument

[tardy smelt]

they submitted 1k pages of evidence, who knows what's in that

[mild mist]

One thing to remember is the previous injunction ruling, where the judge stated that the plagiarism claims 'had merit' even if they were not thoroughly examined at that time

[short laurel]

anti's gonna c this and think they won or something. hell coming on social media

[craggy skiff]

~t https://x.com/juantokki/status/1877636088736739614

[narrow seal]

250110 juantokki Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/juantokki/status/1877636088736739614
Before you read this article, you have to consider the Court Ruling on the first injunction.

Specific Judgment (May 31, 2024):

Thus, it is difficult to conclude that such actions by the plaintiff (MHJ) constitute a "wrongful act related to duties" or a "significant fact that

[short laurel]

The judge further noted, “The plaintiff argued there was no exchange of ideas regarding concepts, music, or performance between the two parties. While ILLIT portrays real-life teenagers, NewJeans embodies Y2K nostalgia. The genres and performances are distinct. Although choreography might share common traits, claiming it was copied forms the basis of the lawsuit.”

[unborn arrow]

https://x.com/newjeans_loop/status/1877637365487075573

NewJeans Loops 🐇 (@newjeans_loop) on X

im_jekim and BlackQ leaved ADOR today

Twitter · Jan 10, 2025, 8:43 AM

[short laurel]

but they admitted on getting NJ planning report be4 000 debuted

[red thorn]

The next hearing date for the damage suit filed by Belief Lab against former CEO Min is March 7th, and the next hearing date for the damage suit filed by Source Music against former CEO Min is March 14th.

[tardy smelt]

well, better another wait than hearing they won something

[short laurel]

https://x.com/juantokki/status/1877636500638339311 latets ver.

1tokki (@juantokki) on X

Before you read this article, you have to consider the Court Ruling on the first injunction.

Specific Judgment (May 31, 2024):

Thus, it is difficult to conclude that such actions by the plaintiff (MHJ) constitute a "wrongful act related to duties" or a "significant fact that

Twitter · Jan 10, 2025, 8:40 AM

[steep torrent]

Even if the defendant’s statements were true, they caused significant disruption to our operations, warranting a damages claim.

[radiant marlin]

hello can someone fill me in

[stiff prairie]

this doesn't sound good. basically what belift said in that infamous video

[radiant marlin]

also whats hannis most recent story about? is there a reason to that?

[short laurel]

i not wanna be that person but "leaved" makes me unable to stop. :v

[stiff prairie]

that one was probably about LA wildfire incident

[radiant marlin]

ahh ty

[craggy skiff]

if the Court agree with this, it will be a big joke

[short laurel]

dw

The judge also remarked, “The plaintiff admitted some of the defendant’s statements were opinions rather than factual claims. The defendant accused the plaintiff of copying concept photos, traditional Korean costume shoots, choreography, logo design, and music video designs. The defendant provided the plaintiff’s project proposals as evidence to claim there had been concept exchanges. The defendant also argued their statements were made in the public interest and denied spreading false claims or intentionally disrupting operations.”

court just said claim. they didn't agreed with anything yet.

[stiff prairie]

we should bring up the same arguement then. last year we had better performances than this year. should nj sue for damages then

[red thorn]

Judge just reciting claims

[short laurel]

^

in one of the link above belift brought up bubblegum case. and we know that it was easily proven false.

[tardy smelt]

just throwing stuff in to see what sticks

[stiff prairie]

what bubble gum case?

[acoustic marsh]

It’s still going rn? No definite news yet?

[tardy smelt]

i think it's over for today

[short laurel]

claim of plagarism.

[stiff prairie]

oh a japanese song or smth? i vaguely remember hearing about it a lil bit

[short laurel]

british

that british group even sent notice to ador about it but instead they got hated for it. that british group was listening to army's false news after all.

[stiff prairie]

but why bring up bubblegum when it's about illit. did they bring up jeans from mexico as well

[short laurel]

it was in one of the links above. so idk it was google translated.

[jade jolt]

~t
https://x.com/catzkang/status/1877640754031427941

[narrow seal]

250110 catzkang Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/catzkang/status/1877640754031427941
ADOR just released a statement today, "As the exclusive contract with NewJeans is still valid, we are preparing documents for visa extension according to the procedure, but it is difficult to inform you of the specific progress."

?????????????

https://m.entertain.naver.com/article/311/0001815073

[waxen musk]

Hmm. So nothing that we didn't know already? All that's new is that MHJ's side submitted 1000 documents and Belift's side said "even if what she said is true"? Is that all we know that's new so far? So much was out in the open, the judge just relayed each side's points that we already heard a million times... to March we go!

[acoustic marsh]

Is this about hanni’s visa? Tf

[tardy smelt]

why are they bringing this shit up again

[red thorn]

What/who translation is this
This og kr paragraph don't make sense when machine translated to English on my end

[acoustic marsh]

Ador’s like a psycho ex tht u can’t get rid of

[stiff prairie]

didn't we go over this alr once

[short laurel]

that one is juan's translation

[red thorn]

Oh ok

[acoustic marsh]

Yeah 2 more of the hearings

[acoustic marsh]

Can u help me understand the issue with hanni’s visa here?

[waxen musk]

That's because people can't read. Even I initially was thinking oh no the judge is on Belift's side... but they judge was just relaying what Belift was saying, not what the judge thinks themselves.

[acoustic marsh]

😭 i thought the same as u

[short laurel]

yea but it's not that they can't read. it's that they not want to for the sake of their narrative. so hell coming on social media.

[waxen musk]

Isn't this exactly what they said before? Ador leave it alone please.

[short laurel]

nothing just spreading hate against foreigner.

[acoustic marsh]

Man ador needs to know how to back off and releasing visa info is privacy violation

[stiff prairie]

in short, you need to be in an agency for a work visa. since hanni doesn't have an agency she doesn't have a work visa. ador claims she is still under ador so ador will take care of visa. when in fact it's not needed to say it publicly, and even might be considered illegal acc to personal information protection act. and there are multiple other ways to renew visa without being under an agency.

[acoustic marsh]

Ok thank u for explaining

[waxen musk]

Ok so nothing really new... what's next before March?

[tardy smelt]

nothing

[stiff prairie]

this will continue longer tho

[short laurel]

we can also c it this way. pls not judge me. since ministry report on it ador trying to act nice and saying girls still with them. probably for the sake of their claims.

[stiff prairie]

or today was first and last day of hearing about plagiarism?

[waxen musk]

Not last. They said March now.

[short laurel]

alot more cases coming. B case any dates yet ?

[stiff prairie]

i thought this will go on for more days. and march will bring up other issues

[waxen musk]

I think they just submitted everything they got today but will take a while for judges to go through evidence and allow for more to be submitted (as if they haven't had enough time already)... just like all the other previous cases.

[acoustic marsh]

Do we know if ador is taking nj to court?

[short laurel]

not yet. not until result of validity case is out.

[acoustic marsh]

Ok so we play the waiting game now 😮‍💨😮‍💨

[waxen musk]

Yeah nothing exciting or new to talk about ultimately.

[tardy smelt]

on the bright side we can touch grass for 2 months without worry

[stiff prairie]

basically got hyped up for nothing

[short laurel]

nope. media play will keep coming

[waxen musk]

And again the media play so far this year is nothing new. A whole not of "nothing new" seems to be a trend.

[tardy smelt]

in response to that, i step away from my computer

[short laurel]

i might just leave kpop for good if hybe wins.

[mild mist]

This is never going to end, is it?

[acoustic marsh]

Still just hoping for the best, in the meantime i hope everyone gets a lot of rest & hydration

[stiff prairie]

i'm only in it for nj. otherwise i wouldn't even bother all these negativity in my life

[mild mist]

You can believe anything if you have a strong enough confirmation bias

[short laurel]

seriously other industry u barely hear such drama unless u look at them closely. but kpop everything is so open and spread so much. can't ignore even if i want to if i want to keep following the artists i like. is there any kpop acts without any drama.

[acoustic marsh]

Doesn’t help tht hybe mediaplays like crazy

[tardy smelt]

anyway, blackq and eunju leaving ador today. the family finally being freed one by one.

[stiff prairie]

yellz next pls

[short laurel]

i listen to alot of jpop but rarely i get anything on my feeds. but i listen to kpop 1 day and my feeds everywhere has been kpop this kpop that all day.

[stiff prairie]

but about that. is it that easy to leave hybe tho. i heard about some non compete clause even amongst low level employees

[hollow sorrel]

what I would give to see mhj’s 1000 pages document

[short laurel]

just cause it's in clause doesn't mean it's legally enforceable.

[acoustic marsh]

Considering they don’t hv proper protection laws for idols too

[short laurel]

they have more protection laws for employees than artists. issue is a normal employee doesn't have enough resources to fight. if hybe tried to force something on blackq and qunju i m sure they gonna fight.

[acoustic marsh]

Capitalism strikes again

[heady gate]

B/c artists are not workers. That is why

[short laurel]

this is an issue everywhere around the world. thx capitalism

[mild mist]

Do we know when the contract validity thing is due before a court?

[mild mist]

Well, they are workers, just independent contractors like the folks making $0.30 delivering food orders

[acoustic marsh]

I wish there could be some sort of unions for the idols

[short laurel]

i kinda wish nj and all oftheir staff go intl. they will do well. and will show these kpop companies looking for western validation on how it's done.

[acoustic marsh]

But tht wud never happen bc korea thrives on the exploitation of trainees and idols

[stiff prairie]

fans too lol

[hollow sorrel]

I lowkey want them to go to warner music group it would just make the most sense with their powerpuff collab, they probably even have connections there

[acoustic marsh]

For sure

[short laurel]

yea much better than UMG which shaking hands with hybe.

[acoustic marsh]

I wonder if any of them are gonna go solo this yr

[stiff prairie]

you mean doing solo projects?

[acoustic marsh]

Yeaah

[stiff prairie]

i don't think this will be the year. sorting out these will take time and they need to first stand as a group before anything else

[warm shard]

girl groups aren't that successful intl though. i think best would be for them to balance the line between kpop idols and other korean artists, they probably wouldn't need to go to music shows and such that much

[waxen musk]

More stuff to read: https://njb-jj.notion.site/250110-Star-News-Source-Music-Plantiff-v-Min-Hee-jin-Defendent-1-1771279fe54e80b28261c2a27400fc9b

[short laurel]

i m saying as intl artists. not as kpop idols. there's difference.

[warm shard]

and the intl public will still see them as kpop idols so?

[waxen musk]

Nothing new.

[acoustic marsh]

I wonder now if katseye is seen as kpop idols or not since theyre frm hybe’s company in the US

[stiff prairie]

i think namiko means as how people view fifth harmony or little mix? but i agree w you looks asian means kpop idol to a lot of people most

[warm shard]

I think they're mostly seen as kpop adjacent, I mostly see kpop especially hybe fans talking about them

[short laurel]

i was just making hopeful wish and not necessarily. it depends on how they market themselves. and kpop is just a bubble not everyone knows about nj and many even come to kpop purely for NJ.
if they tried to they can make it as a group saperate from kpop. luck will be needed but it's possible.

[acoustic marsh]

This is kinda crazy but wht if the members free agents themselves outside of korea and release music alone would tht be possible?

[short laurel]

not really. look at jpop groups.

[stiff prairie]

not really into jpop. i just know atarashi gakko and i like them cause they're different to what i imagine as idols

[warm shard]

Hybe is also promoting them like kpop idols. So what if they perform on good morning america if they go and perform on music shows and mama and stay there the next moment

@stiff prairie i doubt they would get on that level but perhaps they could build strong fanbase like perfume or other japanese acts, but it would require them to step away from the kpop route of promoting i suppose

[short laurel]

not necessarily jpop idols. but as a whole music industry jmusic got alot of big names and are really respected. they not get as much numbers as kpop acts ofc but in terms of respect as artists they go way bigger than kpop internationally.

[acoustic marsh]

What is new jeans promoted themselves the way katseye promoted but from another country as base?

[short laurel]

ofc partially thx to anime..

[warm shard]

i think what would really help in that is opening for some bigger western act lol like olivia rodrigo or sabrina (just throwing names) just to get their name out there and expose themselves to wider audience

[short laurel]

they not have to promote similar way as kpop. again it'll depend on marketing if they go intl as artists.

[short laurel]

yea that's one way

[jade jolt]

~x https://x.com/catzkang/status/1877649687974490344

캣즈강🫧 (@catzkang) on X

SOURCEMUSIC : “We casted NewJeans and trained for several years, and casted Pham Hanni through a global audition.“

NOT AT SOURCEMUSIC TRYING TO CLAIM HANNI AND NEWJEANS???? the trainee contracts with yall have ended & minji, hanni, danielle, haerin and hyein are no longer yours!

Twitter · Jan 10, 2025, 9:32 AM

[short laurel]

also i think girls would prefer this over numbers.

[short laurel]

MHJ was part of the team btw. but somu n bsh cast the girls aside but mhj wanted to debut them. that's how we got NJ. somu missing this part. now they want to take credit for it.

[stiff prairie]

Wasn't bsh even against debuting Dani cause she looks "too foreign" or smth

[short laurel]

yea

like stans says. bsh is devil that's why he's scared of our angel dani

[hoary frost]

Got me thinking if Danielle didnt debut in newjeans she wouldve in Katseye

[waxen musk]

Everything was literally laid out in MHJ's press conferences, you only have to look back at how she described the situation. I can't believe this shit has been going on since April 2024.

[short laurel]

thank god she's not in katseye

[jolly junco]

is the court result out yet?

[waxen musk]

Continues in March

[short laurel]

no. next hearing march 7th with belift and march 14 with somu

[jolly junco]

another 2 months??? wtf

[orchid field]

so wtf did today even do

[waxen musk]

Provide evidence and 1000 documents

[hoary frost]

*twt -c https://x.com/catzkang/status/1877640754031427941?s=46

캣즈강🫧 (@catzkang) on X

ADOR just released a statement today, "As the exclusive contract with NewJeans is still valid, we are preparing documents for visa extension according to the procedure, but it is difficult to inform you of the specific progress."

?????????????

https://t.co/Ijgg0ULYhs

Twitter · Jan 10, 2025, 8:56 AM

[harsh dove]

:warning: Tweet with id 1877640754031427941 does not contain any media!

[short laurel]

we mostly have belift repeating the previous crap and MHJ submitted 1000 pages document as evidence.

[stiff prairie]

Word for word bar for bar

I bet they'll say it again in march

[faint oyster]

Looks like we have a long wait ahead of us.

[bronze jetty]

nah, she would have been in meovv

[waxen musk]

The girls and MHJ will just do what they want regardless of everything right? Like imagine if by March we know of whatever new company they join or create. So much can happen in two months.

[hoary frost]

Danielle does not have features of a cat tho

[jade jolt]

Hope so

[bronze jetty]

there’s an old photo of her training with one of the meovv girls, there was a rumour going around before that she was a yg trainee

[stiff prairie]

I want them to prepare album first. More surprise than last debut. Tomorrow will join this agency the next day album drops imma die of happiness

[hoary frost]

Looking forward to their albums, seeing how Butterflies w u and hold it down was so goated

[stiff prairie]

Butterflies w u gave me butterflies

[short laurel]

we need dani's and hanni's songs official release

[hoary frost]

Give us hold it down

[short laurel]

how many idols in kpop made their own song public in just 2 years of experience.

[acoustic marsh]

Omg pls i want tht song so bad

[stiff prairie]

But I think those two could be lost in the void since adors name is on them

[warm shard]

Butterflies (Danielle's version) 😏

[short laurel]

are we sure about that? they did perform them while they were under ador but are those 2 songs registered under copyright with ador yet?

[acoustic marsh]

It depends if it’s in the nj1 album initially

[short laurel]

and we don't really know about it. so lets be hopeful until then.

[acoustic marsh]

Crossing my fingers

[short laurel]

also master of these songs should be with girls since they made them right? 😛

[stiff prairie]

I saw a picture of hold it down tho. Registered under ador. Not sure about butterflies

[red thorn]

The training under source is truth, it was initially a joint/collab after all
The issue is, hybe's scenario that claim they didn't neglect nj and painted mhj as 'stealing the members'... that belief deep ingrained in antis

[stiff prairie]

It'd take 5 yrs wait if we don't get NJ rights before that

[short laurel]

no even without that. since girls made the song they have rights of master of it. so they should be able to release the song like now and ador would be able to do nothing.

[stiff prairie]

That is what I'm talking about. Like w the Taylors remastering case apparently required 5 yrs time since release of original versions

[short laurel]

ooh.

[waxen musk]

I hope the days of speculation end soon. I'm tired of it, even if I partake in it so much too. Literally no closer to knowing the result of anything in general. Wake me up in a few months pls.

[short laurel]

but those 2 songs are not released.

[red thorn]

Idk whether there's supplemental agreement been them and agency regarding trademark rights
But there seems different rule in standard exclusive contract between group and solo artist regarding rights upon terminated contract

[short laurel]

well atleast we know hanni's 2 songs are safe. 🙏

[tardy smelt]

i need the clean produced versions of those songs injected into my playlist already, pls hanni bro

[steel depot]

any news?

[mild mist]

Just going to but in and say that atarashi gakko are great

[short laurel]

Mhj submitted 1000 page document as evidence. Belift n somu repeated same bs.
Case will continue on 7th march with belift n 14th march with somu

[steel depot]

holding my breath for luck 🍀

[red thorn]

Has this been talked

[flint stone]

*x https://x.com/mymomoty/status/1877651350651277537?t=vgVMH0MrcGCcDyqgSxyGNg&s=19

[harsh dove]

@mymomoty <t:1736501941:d>

[short laurel]

2 songs have not officially released so who knows how that will be handled. N who they mean by planner? Planner is mhj if they mean person.

[red thorn]

Planner in that means agency

[jade jolt]

~t
https://x.com/catzkang/status/1877660513439785291

[narrow seal]

250110 catzkang Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/catzkang/status/1877660513439785291
YELLZ JUST REMOVED “ADOR AND NEWJEANS” FROM HER INSTAGRAM BIO

[wind monolith]

Nobody exists in ador anymore☠️

[jade jolt]

So all the og choreo directors left ador

[short laurel]

Aww

[ashen charm]

SOURCEMUSIC : “We casted NewJeans and trained for several years, and casted Pham Hanni through a global audition.“ yeah everyone knows what is this defense lolll

[narrow seal]

250110 musad3332 Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/musad3332/status/1877638312716128273
태권도. 품새.

[waxen musk]

Anyone left? I asked yesterday too lol.

[jade jolt]

Pretty mych everyone left

[stable escarp]

Wait if their choreos are leaving who arer they going to copy now! Oh no!!!! 💀

[flint stone]

Themselves

[heady gate]

(SOURCEMUSIC : “We casted NewJeans and trained for several years.) So what, MHJ is the best K-pop producer and marketer. She created a NJ as a brand. They won the 2025 Korea First Brand Award and ranked 2nd place in Japan "Sales Rookie Ranking".

[short laurel]

And somu abandoned them. N still trying to take credit

[waxen musk]

Taking credit for girls they wouldn't have debuted...

[neon igloo]

Oh yeeeah the artist's success depends only on those who recruit them, of course. Not on the artist himself and his work. And certainly not on the producer
how can they be so envious...

[tawdry vessel]

"mhj abandoned nj"

meanwhile mhj :

[opaque torrent]

MHJ is not problematic, stop it

And those people are nonsensical. Trust the artists over toxic randoms who are jealous

Have you tried verifying these claims yourself or do you just believe stan Twitter at face value?

[tawdry vessel]

tag pr cooked you, stop being misinformed

[onyx hearth]

Ok

[opaque torrent]

She targeted BTS so taehyung still talks to her and jungkook supported her group. Think about it.

[onyx hearth]

Ok

I’ll do more research and come back

[stiff prairie]

you should start with translation from mhj's first conference. a lot of things were taken out of context, falsified to make it looks like mhj is attacking bts. that way hybe got the backing of the biggest online fandom

[short laurel]

even if u not mention bts. they'll still make it to "<insert artists or group or anyone in kpop name here> attacked bts".
i m noticing this trend more and more. they are attacking everyone in kpop who are big enough who get intl attention.

and i m suspecting it's hybe feeding them based on what's been released so far by NA on hybe internal report

[elfin pewter]

That would be soo dumb for anyone to target bts.

[short laurel]

let me correct my statement. it's bts fandom who attacks everyone and say they attacked bts 1st.

not want to hate but i keep seeing this trend.

again and again involving into mess they don't belong too. just like in this drama.

[ashen charm]

also mhj paid back the training cost for each member when taking them to ador

either way i dont see either sm or betrash winning

[copper jetty]

Guys I'm confused... aren't defamation suits supposed to be about harmful and untrue statements? Then why the heck is belift arguing that even if what mhj said is true they want compensation?? Is it a korean thing?

If it's true then it isn't supposed to be defamation right?

[stiff prairie]

saw somewhere that in korea it doesn't require that it has to be false

Mhj's side's argument is that they brought it up due to duties towards newjeans and not malice towards illit

[copper jetty]

Oh. So the content doesn't seem to matter wether it's true or not but it's more on the intent to hurt. I get it thanks.

[stiff prairie]

okay but this is my hypothesis. idk what mhj yapped in those 1k pages of doc

[short laurel]

In the 1st place it was hybe who made the issue public.

[copper jetty]

True. Also i don't know how belift would argue about mhj's intent to defame their new group and belift though. With the sequences of events mhj was just trying curb misinformation on what dispatch released and form the context on what happened internally...

Also belift would need a proof without a doubt that mhj did plan on harming their reputation before the press conference... which i doubt they do cause if they did, they would have released it long before since they have access to her kkt chats. So even the intent in the defamation case is kind of contentious.

[short laurel]

what i m worried about is corruption here.

but yea intent is going to be very difficult to prove.

[waxen musk]

lol and it got worse.

[short laurel]

don't open twt ash

[stiff prairie]

all my twt feed has is bunnies clapping back other fandoms' missinfo w community notes and stuff. usually i don't like it when ppl repost to hate stuff but kinda digging these ones.

[copper jetty]

Just wanted to post this too. It was in the r/newjeans sub regarding Belift's claim that it was because of mhj that their group was damaged.

[waxen musk]

MHJ's intent was always very clear to me. Lets hope the judges see it that way.

[stiff prairie]

*x -c https://twitter.com/Liashyz/status/1877753810203906151

Due to belift actions over the past 6 months, Pocari Sweat terminated their contract with Wonhee

And ILLIT were dropped by a KT as ambassadors

Large brands in Korea no longer want to work with ILLIT due to their association with Belift

[harsh dove]

@Liashyz <t:1736526369:d>

[stiff prairie]

Did smth come out? How do ppl know specific brands names

Or did belift themselves reveal it

[copper jetty]

What's KT?

[stiff prairie]

*x -c https://twitter.com/myfav_ohmygirl/status/1877709214602416330

[harsh dove]

@myfav_ohmygirl <t:1736515737:d>

쏘스뮤직과 빌리프랩은 소속 아티스트 보호를 위해 소송하는 거 아님. 방시혁을 위한 것임. 소송과정에서 소속그룹 이름 오르내리며 이미지가 훼손되어도, 승소가능성 낮아도 하는 이유는, 주주간계약에 따른 풋옵션 돈 안주려고. 줄소송으로 내부고발자 찍어누르는 것임.

https://naver.me/GHvKsFdy

[copper jetty]

I mean it literally says here the reason is belift not mhj lmao

[hushed whale]

dont trust lia

[copper jetty]

Wait that's lia?

[stiff prairie]

Who's lia

[wind monolith]

https://x.com/pannchoa/status/1877758886863593762?s=46

pannchoa (@pannchoa) on X

Belift Lab reveals in today's trial that ILLIT has lost their advertising contract with KT and Pocari Sweat
https://t.co/nLDZjOYOQJ

Twitter · Jan 10, 2025, 4:46 PM

[stiff prairie]

Ok I saw a pannchoa twt and their article has a link of theqoo article

[wind monolith]

And ppl were saying nj gonna lose their brand deal, karma is real

[stiff prairie]

This is the one nvm

https://m.entertain.naver.com/article/241/0003406777

[hushed whale]

ye this one from an article but lia posted a lot of misinformation before

[stiff prairie]

This one also names kt and pocari

[mild mist]

I still can't believe that 'pocari sweat' is a real product name

[hushed whale]

lol their ads are pretty cool tho

[copper jetty]

It is. I think I'm not weirded out by it's name since I've seen and heard about the brand since I was a kid. ( i watch a lot of anime) lol

[waxen musk]

Telecommunications (mobile operator)

[waxen musk]

When I went to Bunnies Camp I drank this a little too much lol

Both advertisers are pretty big names.

It's very interesting Koran and Japanese advertisers are making it clear who they believe.

[copper jetty]

Wait did illit losing deals just got announced at the court today? I'm not following any other group aside from NJ so maybe I just didn't know they announced it before

[waxen musk]

Yeah, Belift brought it up during the court hearings.

[copper jetty]

Yikes I feel bad for the group but honestly, I blame belift. This is their fault honestly.

[short laurel]

https://x.com/Liashyz/status/1877767982421512513?t=kIR3o5MZkHooO0WZheum7g&s=19

The 1st point

Lia ✮ (@Liashyz) on X

Additional reactions

Twitter · Jan 10, 2025, 5:22 PM

[neon igloo]

Why are people on Twitter writing about Hanni's visa again? I missed smt?

[wind monolith]

Cuz ador made another stupid response in an article again

[neon igloo]

something again in the style of "we are trying to help blah blah"?

[wind monolith]

Wait

Nvm i thinks its about this now

https://www.koreaboo.com/news/new-jeans-hanni-reported-illegal-immigrant-immigration-office-promises-action/?cb=FVCDwQ

We cannot provide specific details regarding whether a particular foreign individual has violated immigration laws. […] For foreign entertainers staying under the E-6 visa, their residency status and duration are determined based on employment contracts with local agencies. Appropriate measures will be taken once the employment relationship is resolved.

— Seoul Immigration Office

[waxen musk]

That headline is insane considering what was actually said.

[waxen musk]

Wait they had two advertisers and now have zero? That's really bad. I would have thought that they had more over the past 9 months. Oof.

[short laurel]

Some comments in the pannchao site has slightly wrong details but generally they are on mhj side. Their wording sounded as if they are from neutral side which explains little wrong details here n there

[mild mist]

they also had a deal with a clothing company that was announced pre-début
can't remember their name

[short laurel]

Company behaviour n public opinion is very clear to other companies. Since their main market it korea n japan, they are going to cater to these 2 countries. N since illit didn't bring enough numbers they didn't renew. It's that simple. They don't really care who is in right or wrong though.

[short laurel]

The same brand white clothes one when illit was accused of plagiarising them.

[waxen musk]

Honestly Magnetic seemed like a big deal I would have thought that alone would have helped them out a lot. But clearly not.

[wind monolith]

I hope court date for nj contract gets announced soon 😅 i hate this waiting game (and ik ik its gonna take a long time)

[short laurel]

But hybe has history of plagiarising 1st then working with the one they plagiarised from. So we don't know the details on that

[short laurel]

One hit wonder. Rest didn't do well.

[waxen musk]

Again just gaining more context over how NewJeans is doing vs another group really surprsies me constantly. Not focusing on other groups and just knowing how NewJeans was doing with no context against other groups really blinded me to a lot of just how well they did.

I keep saying it because I'm constantly surprised.

[short laurel]

Even magnetic kinda got carried with "that sounds like nj" lol

[warm shard]

Acne studios? It was when they went to Paris Fashion Week and some magazine mistook them for NJ

[waxen musk]

Yeah people bring up the pre-debut fashion brand deal appearance as an example of copying NewJeans because apparently NewJeans were the first to do that. Tel me if I'm wrong.

[mild mist]

that's the one

another unfortunate name

[short laurel]

Alot of things bethief did with illit individually are not the issue. Many does that much copying. Issue is how they keep on doing it again n again. N from their sister group.

N yea lia is bad account. Don't trust her. She supports nj but is no different from army in behaviour

[waxen musk]

Yep. I feel bad for them. I do question a lot of the clear support they show to their company through what they say and it confuses and worries me. Hard to know the real situation for the girls themselves.

[cosmic belfry]

I don't think "first to do" it was a claim but it was in combination with the other things NewJeans did for debut which looks too on the nose. Eg. The billboard

[short laurel]

Yea. I m trying to say same thing

[waxen musk]

Anyway I honestly feel like everyone will just continue to do what they were doing before after all this court crap is wrapped up. NewJeans putting out new music. Same for the other groups. Seems like such a waste of time.

[short laurel]

Bts member said bsh is their hyung long ago but years later they said they not like him.
It's unfortunately normal in this industry. Cuz Of contract regardless of right or wrong they have to make company look good.

What we should look for is tone of their voice. Were they as excited thanking the company as nj were when thanking mhj

[cinder verge]

can someone give me a brief rundown on any important stuff that has happened recently? ive been really busy lately so i havent been able to keep up

[acoustic marsh]

Hanni moved to australia??

I saw on tiktok is this true?

[cerulean lake]

i’m just gonna say that tiktok is not a reliable source

[elfin pewter]

https://x.com/catzkang/status/1877818189759009081?s=46

캣즈강🫧 (@catzkang) on X

🐰 : Hanni, Stay Strong!
HN 🦦 : I’m not going anywhere.. 😊

Remember? 🤍

Twitter · Jan 10, 2025, 8:41 PM

when?

[acoustic marsh]

Ok good lmao i was like what?!? Bc it wasnt on anything

Didn’t believe it but i just wanted to ask if anyone saw anything

[cerulean lake]

yeah idk i avoid those kpop commentary vids on tiktok like the plague bc they’re either really biased or have no idea what they’re talking abt

unless someone actually brings up reliable sources and don’t bs the info

[mild mist]

do not give them the clicks that they crave

[sly python]

they pick aside to see what pulls most engagement & then run with that narrative

or switchup once it runs dry or a new topic becomes popular

[acoustic marsh]

it popped up on my fyp randomly but yeah it was super weird ppl don’t hv anything better to do atp

[wind monolith]

i think i hit someones nerve

[stiff prairie]

Some ppl need therapy tbh. Not because they deserve it but cause they need it

[short laurel]

Projection right there

[stiff prairie]

1. You have to accept nothing substantial will come out before actual court results since both mhj legal team and team bunnies are not making things public

2. Illit lost 2 ad deals they secured before their debut and since hybe connection can only go as deep, without pulling good numbers or because of controversies they decided to not renew (revealed by belift) and belift expects mhj to pay for it

3. hybe is regurgitating old hate stuff like shaman, davolink, hanni visa etc cause they're out of hate materials and will continue to bring up old things now. You can expect these hate articles to keep getting more and more numbers. Their goal is going to be trying to make people sick of newjeans and other newcomers to k-pop think that they should stan some other group that is not hated as much or has this much controversy.

[short laurel]

This is such a good point n i believe everyone needs this reminder

100k sales is really huge. Since when it became a failure number.

[stiff prairie]

everyone needs to have million sellers nowadays

[stable escarp]

Im glad newjeans didnt have randomised photocards/inclusions

[cosmic belfry]

except that made me buy all of them to complete the set

[short laurel]

With alot of it just bulk buying n trashed in the street all for charts n pocas

[stiff prairie]

it's all numbers w kpop. how many stream on yt spotify, how many album sold etc. fans are bragging about it, using it to bring down other groups. it's built into the whole system now

[red thorn]

That's the truth
The superiority complex of a certain fandom is real

[short laurel]

It kinda exists in bunnies too. That's why i posted that ss

[stiff prairie]

it's a hard line between you're good that's why your numbers are up vs you numbers are up so you're good

[red thorn]

Clingy ex want to create issue, Lee jinhoo inciting it
https://v.daum.net/v/20250111063557199

[stable escarp]

That facecard tho

[jolly junco]

for the last 2 IG live just today, i think they dont live in that dorm anymore?

[hoary frost]

But its also their time off and they could be anywhere rn

[jolly junco]

yeah could be

but minji room background looks alot like hyein room just now, so....

[acoustic marsh]

I think they could be with family for a bit

[hoary frost]

But Minjis background was just a wall

[tardy smelt]

pretty sure they’re all off at home with their families

[hoary frost]

Vous ure thinking too much

[jolly junco]

lol maybe i'm tripping, thanks

[short laurel]

Everyone keep bringing this up but it's non of our business. Hanni knows what's up n she'll handle it herself. She can apply for so many different visa's to stay n korea has her face plastered at arrival terminal at airport, they letting her be attacked when she's one of the 1st faces people c when entering the country. This mediaplay only make korea look bad.

[frosty echo]

Lia detected, their opinion rejected 🙂

[frosty echo]

think of it as aespannjeans or sniper but on MHJ side

people to ignore and block for both sides:

HYBE side: Aespannjeans, Sniper
MHJ side: Lia, miuawu

[stiff prairie]

didn't know her reputation mb. in any case i found the naver article so she didn't lie this time ig. belift revealed it themselves about the brands. probably to garner sympathy or whatever.

[frosty echo]

basically lia will do anything to just spew hate on ILLIT and is just obsessed with them

[stiff prairie]

gotcha. i only know a few positive twt handles apart like 1tokki, njbubblegum etc. anyways thnx for letting me know

[frosty echo]

^^ these 4 are the ones to avoid posting 😄

[short laurel]

Sometimes all these accounts share proper translated articles but only when it fits their narrative. Kinda like tmikpop or allkpop or koreaboo. Very selective, but they also add alot of hate ofc.

[stiff prairie]

hope we can be better as a fandom that's all i gotta say
btw south park new episode

*x -c https://x.com/uhhahawewin/status/1877734274125717942

[harsh dove]

@uhhahawewin <t:1736521712:d>

2025년 어두워 현실
직원들 줄줄이 퇴사 대표 혼자 남을듯

[short laurel]

I'll say it again. When every employee willingly leaves the company, the company is the problem.

[mild mist]

can we pin this

[short laurel]

Add that seanlim n mhjtranslator(he's mhj hater like sniper despite the name)account too. Account names maybe slightly wrong. 💀

[waxen musk]

They don't have zero. Is this one of those things that was said by Lia?

[frosty echo]

ig seanlim for HYBE side and mhjtranslator for MHJ side

[short laurel]

No. That account i remember putting alot of misinformation about mhj.

[sweet pebble]

updates? all i know is that mhj is helping the girls and the girls are thankful for it

[wind monolith]

i rmbr this too

[upbeat stream]

I know at least one: Acne Studio

[short laurel]

We don't know how many advertisers illit has. All we know is 2 didn't renew n belift blaming it on nj.

[short laurel]

I wanted to share only the 1st point in that post. It was said by koreans translated in panchao post.

[lucid yarrow]

should NJ Blame Illit and make them pay for Contrack terminator fee if there is one of course not but bethief such scum going push this so they give those antis more ammo to hate on MHJ/NJ

[cerulean lake]

idk but all this drama made me determine that the worst hybe sublabel is belift

source music slightly behind bc they decided to insert themselves and send that stuff to dispatch

[stiff prairie]

*x -c https://x.com/millbangz/status/1878066236917227830

[harsh dove]

@millbangz <t:1736600858:d>

해외 버니즈도 같이 참여해주세요
I-Tokkies please help us clean up NJ's youtube algorithm so fan channels can get more views than hate videos

[boreal laurel]

wow they are so presssedddd
youd think min heejin stole their fortnite battlepass or something goddamn

[short laurel]

i can't comprehend how they come up with "you just hate ___ group/idol/celebrity" in an argument, when topic doesn't even involve any hate to said entity.

[stable escarp]

Gonna be an interesting week with the new sm gg hmmm

[acoustic marsh]

R they debuting this week?

[shy schooner]

Feb

[heady gate]

I never expected to see news feed reference to that X account. Not good

[short laurel]

They won't share proper trusted sourced articles but will share the stupid accounts posts in a heartbeat.

[woven umbra]

do y’all think they’re gonna release music before a court date is announced for the contract termination lawsuit

hanni’s visa thing still feels kinda concerning

[fleet nebula]

No worries, in the girls we trust

[stiff prairie]

yoo wtf? also sportskeeda isn't korean is it?

i swear even a lot of neutrals would fall for that inviting username if they don't go thru more than a couple post from that account

I'm blaming it on Elon musk, ppl like you and me can buy a blue check mark and ppl would think I'm legit.

[wind monolith]

https://x.com/juantokki/status/1878648328264786415?s=46

1tokki (@juantokki) on X

It’s genuinely concerning how Chosun Biz managed to obtain private Telegram messages. You’re all likely aware that this is a common tactic employed by HYBE, right? When things aren’t going well for them in court, they resort to Mediaplay, using questionably obtained “evidence”

Twitter · Jan 13, 2025, 3:40 AM

Y not use this stuff in court instead of leaking hybe loves editing cuz they know its not valid in court

[stiff prairie]

is it something new or the one we alr know about?

[wind monolith]

Pre sure new

[stiff prairie]

what's this one about?

[wind monolith]

https://x.com/thegreatgaram/status/1878643526205857937?s=46

Chosun claims Min Hee Jin obstructed HYBE's re-investigation into VP L's SH case by encouraging VP L to file a report against HYBE to the Ministry of Employment and Labor to push for—get this—a fair investigation 😱

They also claimed MHJ advised VP L to use up his sick & leave days to delay the re-investigation.

람짱 // ʀᴀᴍᴊᴊᴀɴɢ (@thegreatgaram) on X

Latest mal-reporting from Chosun Biz

Report of 'workplace bullying' instigated by Min Hee-jin... Ministry of Employment and Labor, Hybe found not guilty ()

Without getting into HYBE's ties with the Ministry of Labor, let's talk about how Chosun is trying to extrapolate Min Hee

Twitter · Jan 13, 2025, 3:21 AM

[cerulean lake]

automatically makes them not a reputable news site

[waxen musk]

If it ain't gonna be in a court, I don't even wanna know about it.

I appreciate 1tokki and RAMJJANG telling us all how these articles are a load of bs, but honestly I'd rather not have them brought to my attention in the first place.

[stiff prairie]

antis will bring it up anyways. better to stay informed ig

also these accs don't have large following. only ppl that wants to see it gets to see it

*x -c https://x.com/hannithequeenn/status/1878674685984174526

[harsh dove]

@hannithequeenn <t:1736745923:d>

Ador filed injunction to ban independent contracts

[stiff prairie]

is it real?

[wind monolith]

Ya im seeing this too

[stable escarp]

Am i interpreting this wrong or does this mean they are acknowledging them as independent

[ornate vine]

this company is so....

[stiff prairie]

https://m.entertain.naver.com/article/609/0000941792

they filed it last week and reasoning is not to confuse advertisers lmao

[red thorn]

To prevent them from independent activities

[wind monolith]

This was bound to happen i guess its just a long waiting game

[tardy smelt]

i think this will be granted to them pretty easily

[waxen musk]

It was always expected and I'm sure the girls and their team behind the scenes are already prepared. Just sucks to see it, because the worst outcomes seem so scary. But I believe everything will work out in the end.

So what's the timeline for a result on this particular injunction?

The weird thing is, Ador won't get what they want either way. If they win, it's not like the girls will just do everything with Ador all of a sudden after everything... right?

Ador claims this is to prevent confusion despite being the only ones adding confusion to the whole situation. The girls are very clear with their intentions.

[opaque torrent]

they cannot force newjeans to continue working under/be managed by ador

so this injunction will get rejected and newjeans can work with whatever advertiser. the court will decide if ador is entitled to the revenue or not later in the main lawsuit

[stiff prairie]

why are so optimistic that they'll reject it

[tardy smelt]

lowkey i'm not sure how we'd win this one, because if the court rejects it, the implication would be that the court agrees the contract termination is valid, no? trying to think realistically here

[opaque torrent]

no advertiser is confused. they cannot speak for the advertiser

yes this has a precedent.https://www.seoul.co.kr/news/society/2019/09/17/20190917500023

[tardy smelt]

meanwhile if they grant it, that decision would still be in a grey area for them to decide on the actual contract validation case

[waxen musk]

Could we perhaps expect the judge for this injunction to outright dismiss the case because of these reasons Alex talks about?

[stiff prairie]

if i woke up on the right side of bed today i'd say court will see that approving this injuction means 5 girls will be jobless and moneyless for a long time and they know nobody's going back to ador even if it means paying termination fees so this injunction is doing nothing besides hurting them

[opaque torrent]

because the law states that you cannot force the artist to work for you. the contract is already terminated. what will be decided in the lawsuit is who was the offender and caused the breach

[stiff prairie]

that's the contract validity suit i was talking about the injuction that specifically targets ad deals

[wind monolith]

This injunction might give us more insight into nj contract clauses

[waxen musk]

I won't lie, the mere possibility of losing something like this sounds so awful it's properly scary. But I just don't know enough about how this will go.

[tardy smelt]

yeah, it complicates things the more i think about it, if it's a loss for us. but if it's a victory then sunshine and rainbows it sounds like.

[waxen musk]

ugh get it over with already

[opaque torrent]

from how i see it newjeans are already independent artists. ador cannot stop them from signing ad deals. the lawsuit is to suspend their activities by arguing they are still under ador, but they're not

[heady gate]

Does Ador have another injunction against NJ about the contract termination?

[tardy smelt]

this new injunction is just to stop them from signing advertising deals independently

[opaque torrent]

when artists file for an injunction to suspend activities while pursuing legal action to terminate their contracts, they're doing so to prevent accruing penalty fees from the contracts they already signed; not with any new contracts

[heady gate]

true.

[stiff prairie]

that means in order to rule the injuction court would first have to assume the validity of the contract termination or lack of. so it's basically the main suit but a bit toned down ig?

[waxen musk]

That's why I think it will just be dismissed. The judge will say eh you'll figure it out with the main lawsuit stop wating my time.

[wind monolith]

Ya similar to mhj second injunction

[waxen musk]

I'm talking out of my arse ofc. No clue how things will go.

[tardy smelt]

i think this is the most realistic best case scenario for us

[opaque torrent]

if the main suit finds that newjeans violated the contract, it does not mean the contract becomes binding again, it means they will have to compensate ador

[stiff prairie]

i was going to say that. but if we get a good ruling on this one advertisers would open up more. maybe even more than while they were under ador since they can pay less fee now without any worries for future

[opaque torrent]

whether or not they sign with advertisers now does not matter

[wind monolith]

Injunction result should come way sooner i hope

[opaque torrent]

yea usually within a month

[stiff prairie]

how long did mhj's injunctions took i forgot

[tardy smelt]

like a month

[waxen musk]

Wasn't the first one shorter? I forget.

[opaque torrent]

2 weeks till hearing, 2 weeks for ruling

yes she filed it on april 29 or 30... got a date for the hearing, may 18th. results were out the day before the EGM, which was may 30th

these are just harassment lawsuits

hybe is trying to ruin their reputation. i dont think they expect to win

[waxen musk]

Such a waste of time if that's their goal. But they have money and people employed to do that job for them... so yeah.

[stiff prairie]

okay so we'll probably have a more iimportant court dates in february before march 10 w mhj stuff

[opaque torrent]

isnt it ironic that a company that uses noise marketing as PR to promote their preferred groups is also doing it to ruin the reputations of the ones they don't like? and the results are never what they intend

[stiff prairie]

they got away w a lot of things tho. if newjeans weren't targeted they would've gotten away w more things too

[opaque torrent]

theyre going to use the court hearings to slander newjeans bc ppl think they wont commit perjury for some reason lol

[stiff prairie]

yep there's gon be more edited telegram texts directly harming the girls too

[heady gate]

We should have an injunction schedule.

[stiff prairie]

sign dusty up for those instead lol

[waxen musk]

Eh whatever just focus on how things have literally gone for them after leaving Ador with how advertisers are still very clearly supporting them. I do worry about new ones scared to get involved out of uncertainty but existing ones have made it clear who they're with.

The 5 girls' individual deals with the luxury brands being the main ones.

It really is very one sided with how much we HEAR from Ador, but it really is just talk. I say this too often lol.

[short laurel]

the leaked chat only making MHJ look good anyways. 😂

[tardy smelt]

you know what's funny? hybe & co dropping all their "evidence" through media play then repeating the same shit in court, and mhj being silent for months and dropping 1k pages of evidence in court she's not giving them any more ammunition to work with

[cerulean lake]

did the same type of injunction happen to chuu before? like w her conflict with bbc or no

[waxen musk]

Exactly. Ador can't stop yapping but then they go to court and it seems the opposite happens, but behind closed doors.

[wind monolith]

Someone make a time machine and lmk whats the results in the future

[waxen musk]

I'm getting in there with you please.

Just have to remember how patient we've been already and it's not so bad. I do worry it'll be a extremely quiet time which will make the wait harder but it's not the end of the world lol.

[wind monolith]

They will still be active on insta right?

[tardy smelt]

eh i can live on their ig lives until redebut

[waxen musk]

Like they are now I assume yeah. Not much but better than nothing.

I think as long as NewJeans are one of the top listened to groups to this day (been seeing "top girl group on Spotify" past few days), there's no question of where the money from advertisers will go. All this worrying for nothing in the end, even if things get a bit rocky.

[cerulean lake]

so it’s just w advertisers but it’s not stopping them from signing with other labels right?

[wind monolith]

Its stops that too

[short laurel]

nothing stopping anyone until we get result from injunction.

[stiff prairie]

both labels and advertisers would want clarity before joining them and for some reason i believe some sort of deal is going on w bape and ador is targeting that specifically

[stable escarp]

i feel like nj's always been wanting some type of trendy clothing/hypebeast collab. They wear a lot of supreme, bape, and even collabing with hiroshi

[cinder verge]

can someone explain this injunction hybe is filing in simple terms

[stiff prairie]

no cause your ass is always coming late asking for explanations

[stiff prairie]

ador filed an injunction to block independent ad deals. if you're optimistic you'd think this will clear the girls and advertisers up to sign deals w/o worries or if you're pessimistic you'd think if we don't win it we'll have no new deals going on till the main validity lawsuit clears up

[short laurel]

But it has to be fair to both sides, they can't make it in a way which makes it unfair to nj.

Court will have to consider the evidence girls have that shows ador not have them in their best interest.

[stiff prairie]

yeah giving this ruling in ador's way means that court thinks the girls should be out of any income for an indefinite period which is a scary thought. but my football team just lost in the first round of a cup competition yesterday so i'm not really feeling that optimistic about things

[short laurel]

That's denying employment.

[cinder verge]

my fault gang ion got time to be reading all these damn articles with poor translations and big words 😭🙏

whos likely to win this injunction

[short laurel]

Girls are out. If court said girls are In wrong in termination in main suit, they will have to give profits to ador. That's why current situation is better than this injunction. Ofc this is all a IF.
Looking at presedence chance of girls winning is high.

[cerulean lake]

i would hope ador does not win otherwise this means the girls literally can’t do anything for a long time until the main court case

[stiff prairie]

big words are saying what ador said "we don't wanna confuse advertisers. we wanna uphold trust between investors and companies etc etc bunch of nothing". other big words (that are the translators opinion) are about how ador is just trying to corner the girls and we don't need to worry

[short laurel]

Again that's denying employment

[cerulean lake]

maybe they want that so they can corner njs back to ador or smth

[stiff prairie]

there is no way they're going back to ador. NO WAY

[short laurel]

Girls are not going back, winning n lossing the main fight will decide who pays panalty. But they out of ador.

[stiff prairie]

even if they lose all cases they'll need to pay an amount set by court's ruling to be free from ador

[hoary frost]

Hybe is literally the toxic ex LOL

[cerulean lake]

can hybe just be bankrupt atp omg

or someone pull a luigi on bsh but maybe not eliminate him. maybe just financially cripple him or put him in jail

[hoary frost]

Someone burn Hybe down so they never recover from it

[mild mist]

Would be nice

[stiff prairie]

was bsh's house in la or smth? just askin

[cerulean lake]

the fires got to his house

[cinder verge]

"just askin" bro boutta be luigi 2.0 😭😭

[short laurel]

They would have long gone bankrupt if korea wasn't playing politics. With stocks scams they still let bsh n hybe be.

[hoary frost]

Lol if u burn down his house u can blame it on the fires

[acoustic marsh]

I wouldn’t be surprised if hybe falls bankrupt considering their amount of debt

[cinder verge]

bro is lowkey onto something... this is ur strategy cake juice n bread

[cerulean lake]

i hate how bsh acted like he was so underdog when his dad was some big shot politician

[short laurel]

Bts should also stop pampering the fandom n tell them off for their bs

[hoary frost]

They cant

[stiff prairie]

i'm 100% sure they'd do that if they didn't have bts to save thier asses

[acoustic marsh]

Literally bts is their only saving grace

[short laurel]

Why? Even nj tell fandom off when they pull something stupid

[stiff prairie]

yeah hopefully girls are already prepared for all these beforehand

[cerulean lake]

only jungkook has ever said smth

[jolly junco]

in 5 girls we trust........

[acoustic marsh]

Around when can we expect results of the injunction? In a month maybe?

[wind monolith]

Ya pre much

[stiff prairie]

before march

[acoustic marsh]

I trust them and their legal team so im not worried— ador rly be their clingy ex

[cerulean lake]

i’m worried if there are any illegal strings pulled at the court level

[hoary frost]

Not every artist is as brave as Nj and BTS is keeping fans even during hiatus it wld make sense that they need whatever support they r getting

[knotty valve]

Always thought they’re all mostly cowards honestly imo. like jungkook had that one post from his dogs insta but for people who were highly supportive of the girls and their music, they’re all kind of just silent about it.

Like they have the most power in that company and I guess it’s just business as usual for them.

[wind monolith]

Ador still saying full album, world tour and all that but with what staff everyone is gone☠️☠️

[stiff prairie]

i swear i won't be surprised a bit when hybe pulls up articles saying look look kmca k whatever also thinks it's required for the integrity of kpop industy blabla

[hoary frost]

If Nj is forced back into Ador and they have to do a world tour wld u guys attend it

[cerulean lake]

yeah they literally do everything to make nj and their fans lose trust and then they get so surprised ppl want to abandon them

[short laurel]

That makes them cowardly. With the public power they have, they only letting do more harm to industry.

[cerulean lake]

some probably stan the idea of hybe more than the boys bc they got mad at jungkook after that post

[stiff prairie]

even if they lose all lawsuits they'd put their life savings on paying ador so they can leave that i'm sure of

[acoustic marsh]

Im sure of this too

[short laurel]

Only minority bots.

[short laurel]

100% this

[cerulean lake]

anyways i want to see users like sniper in court like that one user wonyoung pressed charges against

[short laurel]

I just feel that when a fandom cross certain lines in the name of their artists, artists should take some responsibilities in getting things straight with their fandom. If they stay quiet they either coward or they share the same opinion as their fandom.

[stiff prairie]

they're afraid of their companies. just smile and sing and dance

[short laurel]

No way they not realise they have the most power in the company

Unless they are being bm by bsh or something

[stable escarp]

Im not too sure if they're afraid persay but rather they already have internal conflict within their own group and management. Well thats what ive seen/heard. If anyone from their side were to help us it would only be Jungkook and V

[stiff prairie]

If anyone from their side were to help us it would only be Jungkook and V
this imo. they'd think about their own survival. even if they're too big to go down individually sticking w the whole group is more important. even if fans are delusional they're fans that they brought up thru the years. also they're watching first hand how hybe can ruin image of any artist under them with ease

[acoustic marsh]

Things can get messy under fandom politics especially in regards to PR & whatnot— a bit unpredictable if u will

[stable escarp]

Thats where luck may come to us. V especially had thought that as well, where they had to stick together because that is more important. V and maybe Jungkook (im not too sure about him) had second guesses on renewing the contract. This and whats happening to NewJeans by Ador and Hybe can add fuel to him watching, as youve said, first hand of how shitty Hybe really is and how they are unintentionally defaming/devaluing BTS' success.

[stiff prairie]

knowing hybe they might already be giving them gentle threats on having info on how they smoked pot once in an off day back in 2019 or smth along the line

[short laurel]

hybe main power is through bts. If members decide to speak up, hybe is the one to loss. Lets keep this fact in calculation 1st.

[neon igloo]

I will hope that prohibiting contracts is a violation of rights. Because the girls have not had any relations with Ador since leaving

[stiff prairie]

i see no chance of others beside v and probably jk to stand against hybe. and when 5 other members are going one way it takes a lot of resolve and determination to go the other way

[stable escarp]

We best hope they grow some balls after going through military training

[short laurel]

Then the other 5 are cowards with no integrity as artists. If they choose to stay quiet i will assume their opinion is the same as their fandom. My mind is not going to change on this.

[stiff prairie]

okay let's move on ig. getting too bts-y here

[short laurel]

Not our fault, it's their fandom who keep butting in.

[stable escarp]

So anyone willing to be Luigi 2.0? in good faith obviously

[short laurel]

U mean luigi

[stable escarp]

Oh ye luigi. Got mixed up cause im watching suits rn. Mb

[stiff prairie]

i don't even want a luigi just sb who'd burn that mansion and blame it on wildfire ig

[hoary frost]

Im On my way!

[stiff prairie]

fr tho i never thought i'd hate a company as passionately as i hate nestle if not more before ts

[vale dagger]

Wow human trash

[short laurel]

Nestle still give us food, hybe gave us nothing but years of drama

[stiff prairie]

and trauma too

[copper jetty]

Guys when did ador file the injunction for the contract termination again? Was it November or December?

Usually injunction have result after 1 or 2 months right?

[stiff prairie]

ador didn't file injunction regarding contract termination. on first week of Dec the filed a full fledged suit to determine validity of contract. and last week they filed an injuction to stop brands from making deals w them independently which will get results before march from prior experiences. but the contract validity one might take an year or so

[copper jetty]

So contract validity would take a year?? I thought since it's an injunction, it'll be fast

Sorry I thought the first suit was an injuction

[stiff prairie]

yeah more time to pray for good results on that one ig

[short laurel]

pins are not being updated for a while

[waxen musk]

I wanted to go to sleep but there’s a new article. Ugh…

Also Minji posting some cryptic hopeful message.

[cerulean lake]

what new article

[waxen musk]

I’m not allowed to sleep.

https://t.co/shkwiR5zsS

[cerulean lake]

i need all corrupt mfers to fall to their despise

[waxen musk]

I haven’t even read it yet.

[cerulean lake]

i’ll rely on translations later or smth

[waxen musk]

That is a translated article.

[cerulean lake]

oh i’ll read it on twt later then

can’t believe all this drama started bc someone couldn’t control their ego #neverforget

[red thorn]

Seems neutral journal

[waxen musk]

After completing their Japanese schedule in early December last year, NewJeans left their ADOR dormitory and maintained a strictly professional partnership with ADOR until fulfilling their existing contracts. It's reported that when they needed to gather at ADOR for schedules, they used individual transportation to arrive and depart, essentially operating on a commuter basis.

When NewJeans left the ADOR dormitory, it's known that HYBE staff members wore body cameras while inspecting the dormitory, showing thorough preparation.

That’s the only new part.

[steep torrent]

is the ador dormitory the apartment we know?

[red thorn]

Must be

[steep torrent]

those pictures are since they were long gone right? they're so weird

why are the body cameras necessary? its not like its a crime scene??

[tardy smelt]

well that answers the questions i had last month lol

[cerulean lake]

yeah now can those yappers online stop saying they’re using hybe’s money for the dorm

[ocean arch]

Even though the dorm was paid by nj money

[tardy smelt]

oh i just saw they had pics of the empty dorm. they’re weird asf.

[waxen musk]

I think people are being told to delete those images. Every time I see them a minute later they are deleted. The pics were from a month ago. And the pics are super creepy.

[ocean arch]

Where did they even get those pictures?

[waxen musk]

How they made their way onto the web is scary.

[tardy smelt]

and why did they even send someone to take pics

[ocean arch]

Hybe can't stop being creepy

[zenith bane]

sounds like advertisers asked ADOR for members for a promotion, ADOR has filed this "injunction" as a way to allow the court to verify if the NJ members are still under contract. If ADOR was confident, they would have given them the advertisers' schedules? ADOR is liable for contract termination penalties?

[red thorn]

Pics of the empty dorm circulated? Whew, didn't know that

[elfin pewter]

https://n.news.naver.com/article/366/0001046793

[cerulean lake]

now what is this

[red thorn]

That was the monday's hybe media

[craggy skiff]

The record about their activities in the doom can used to prevent some future allegations from arising.
But upload the pics is weird and questionable.
I wonder what are they thinking

[ashen charm]

swole pham

[stable escarp]

Js saw the pictures and woah the girls are so nice. I wouldve taken the mirrors, tv, couches, bloody everything for that matter

[red thorn]

I'm just going to assume that it was allocated under company budget rather their own personal budget

[short laurel]

Private info against nj are always 1st leaked on sites known for hating women. It's weird how many times it happened.

[red thorn]

Yeah always originated from there

[stiff prairie]

scared to ask but what pic? my twt feed is clean. i only see these if bunnies share themselves

[stable escarp]

Pics of their dorm through a bodycam showing newjeans had left the place

[stiff prairie]

what did they accomplish by doing it tho

also what did they accomplish by leaking it. i don't understand

[jolly junco]

lmao i just saw hanni story update about that customized clarks shoes

its like a slap to fraudor face

[marble cape]

please tell me that picture was after they left smh

[stiff prairie]

yeah haven't seen the pictures but ppl are saying it was after they left. however it happened at 3 AM apparently. imagine if they still were at the dorms??

[marble cape]

creepy asf

[stiff prairie]

every day i think i can't lose any more respect to the ppl that still support that company after all these and yet here we are

[marble cape]

like theres no way the court sides with hybe with all the leaks and harassment they do thru media play is actually insane it feels like theres new stuff that gets leaked or said every other day 😭

[short laurel]

Hybe personal did it at dusk n uploaded it by 3am from what i read

Also i only c it mentioned at pannchao comments. Why it was hybe staff n not ador staff

[stable escarp]

Wait if it was Hybe staff.. How did they get in?

[marble cape]

hybe is ador ador is hybe

[short laurel]

Hybe ador switch between ador independent n ador is hybe whenever they wish.

[jolly junco]

how convenient

[cerulean lake]

i can’t believe ppl think ador is still some separate subsidiary when they literally placed bsh’s lapdogs all up in the executive positions

this is like if coca cola company is trying to be all up in sprite’s business or smth bc they don’t understand the concept of subsidiaries

[stiff prairie]

lol nobody believes that. even antis wouldn't i'm sure

[warm shard]

There are people already saying it was because hybe was scared of being blamed for any possible damages and it's normal to document apartments before and after moving out 😂

Hybe doesn't even have to try, these people will do the job for them

[short laurel]

it is normal to check apartments before and after tenant moved out. it's just not normal the way hybe did it.

[warm shard]

Well right but to those people it doesn't matter. Why would they do it at 3 am

[short laurel]

where it says 3AM btw? i read it was done at dusk which is yea is weird. and pics were leaked at 3AM. information is so confusing on internet.

[warm shard]

Ah, I thought it was done at 3am. Okay, my bad. I saw some people say the pics are dark so it still doesn't make a lot of sense for the 'checking for possible damage' scenario

[short laurel]

i could be the one who is wrong so someone pls help checking the source.

[hoary frost]

Pics of their dorm taken at dusk were leaked??

[cerulean lake]

you’ll be surprised with how many ppl still say/think that shit

they’re like hybe can’t be blamed bc technically it’s ador doing it

[warm shard]

Yes the pics were leaked on DC gallery apparently

[cerulean lake]

they can check it but checking it with body cams?? literally that’s like some police investigation shit

plus leaking it is like a breach of trust in my books (even if it’s not a breach of trust in the law) especially if it’s not long after someone moved out

[short laurel]

exactly

[acoustic marsh]

Idk why hybe is leaking all these things it’s just making them look worse

[short laurel]

sometimes court consider breach of trust between parties in cases like this regardless of what law says. so it can be used agaisnt hybe. depends on judge.

[shy viper]

this is a non story, ppl are just reaching now

[short laurel]

how is it a non story? how is it a reach?

i moved out from house A owned by B but instead C came to search the house A. my 1st assumption would be C trying to find something against me. this is what everyone is worried about.

[shy viper]

if nj has already left then does it matter if anyone comes in or out? you do realize most property inspectors wear body cams right?

[stiff prairie]

no i honestly believe they shift personalities when they go online. they change from normal human being to their corporate following braindead persona and say those things.
like imagine a person you know irl defending those dispatch leaks, this dorm pics leaks etc. i absolutely think they completely removes their association w kpop once they're irl

[short laurel]

read what i said above. and body cam isn't the problem itself. problem here is why stuff related to NJ leaked on that dc galary again. it's a repeated occurance to spread hate agaisnt girls one way or another.

most of the stuff used to attack girls 1st came from that DC galary.

even if pics itself doesn't mean much, it's the narrative they make out of it. just look that what narative dispatch made out of just hanni hugging MHJ.

[shy viper]

who tf cares ab hybe & their media play - it's ppl like you who latch onto their crumbs and make it a bigger deal than it is

[stable escarp]

[short laurel]

are you dumb? cuz u ignored everything i said.

[stiff prairie]

i see your point. but you can't let them go this easily without any accountability right?
like hanni's visa situation, we all know it's nothing really. but it's bringing hate towards her. it's not like she doesn't have feelings. that's why fans bring that up but only in defense that hybe is doing mediaplay or trying to garner hatred towards her etc. @shy viper

[stiff prairie]

yooo chill. he's not being an anti. he just has a diff perspective. let's be respectful

[short laurel]

haters are making whatever claims to hate on girls. and even intl media starting to using hater accounts as source now. us coming here trying to correct the misinfo from spreading and for that u say "it's ppl like you who latch onto their crumbs and make it a bigger deal than it is"

look at social media. i not even speak there but the kind of reach people had made is soo much worse.

[tiny peak]

it is definitely a big deal. I can't think of any other company that would post picture of private living spaces to an incel forum

[short laurel]

it happened here a few times. people completely missing the point and attacking others. last time i just let it go but again and again makes me pissed.

[shy viper]

there is no "hate" towards nj in the form of public opinion, it's really just fearbots and ratmys running their mouth waiting for sensitive tokkis like you to fall for their bait.

[stiff prairie]

ik but lashing out like this is not gon help. if your point is valid ppl will agree w you as we are now. but throwing out words like dumb stupid is a bit too much imo

[short laurel]

do u think intl people research enough. like i said intl media is starting to use haters accounts as source. people don't research enough and believe whatever they c 1st. and it's a cause of worry. but your point completely ignores this.

[stiff prairie]

that's where you're wrong. let's say i'm a neutral idc who bunnies are or fearnot or armyr are. if i constantly see negative press on a group without any response from the other side, in my subconscious i'd think those hate materials are indeed truth and i should stay away from a group w such controversies. which is the exact thing hybe wants. hope you understand this pov as well

[short laurel]

this exact thing happened to MHJ since SM days and it has worked cuz people believe whatever stuff fandom says about her.

[short laurel]

fine. i lashed out too much sorry

[modern fog]

a lie without a contradict will eventually become truth

type shit

[stiff prairie]

right. even ppl that don't know jack shit about mhj goes like idk heard some weird stuff about her. even a lot of bunnies say mhj is better than hybe but she's problematic too when in fact there is almost nothing for her to be labeled problematic. imagine ppl saying idk newjeans has good music but heard weird things about them, might be a problematic group

[hollow sorrel]

I have a job for stephanie soo…

[stiff prairie]

this little bit of doubt is hybe's goal

[short laurel]

exactly

[stiff prairie]

stephanie?

[short laurel]

she said she'll not make video about it until it's settled.

[stiff prairie]

oh that stephanie

[hollow sorrel]

she is a huge youtuber who makes videos about south korean crime cases/stories

[short laurel]

yea rotten mango

[stiff prairie]

i know her. just blanked out since didn't heard of her for a long time

[short laurel]

not just SK. mostly SK but other countries drama too

[hollow sorrel]

ohh, well I’ll be waiting for it

[stiff prairie]

preach jhin preach

[jade jolt]

~t
https://x.com/breadluvpham/status/1879083597472379055

[narrow seal]

250114 breadluvpham Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/breadluvpham/status/1879083597472379055
"ADOR has received numerous proposals for advertisements and events and has already planned this year’s activities, including a full-length album release and fan meetings. We hope to communicate sufficiently with NewJeans members moving forward."

LMAO these beggars🤣

[jade jolt]

When will ador admit that nj are no longer theirs

[brazen ice]

https://tenor.com/view/atlas3dss-atlas3dss-begging-atlas3dss-poor-atlas3dss-homeless-gif-25927308

[stable escarp]

Boutta hear AI Newjeans singing their "album"

[copper jetty]

Now this is what I call media play from ador/hybe.

No production directors all of them left, no inhouse choreographer (employee left too), no group left (newjeans left) and they had the gall to announce they have plans for full length album and fanmeet (which they canceled before?). If that's not called media play then I don't know what.

Fan meet with what group? A whole fat nothing Ador.

https://x.com/juantokki/status/1879096655565508733?t=qDtxDLSaYqHoLNnsGMqLmw&s=33

1tokki (@juantokki) on X

Cyber wrecker Lee Jin-ho is at it again and spreading lies about our girls. He is basically saying that our girls are poaching ADOR employees and taking over advertisements. Of course, this is false information, and it is being used to spread the narrative that the members are

Twitter · Jan 14, 2025, 9:22 AM

Lmao. I guess this is gonna be hybe's next media play. Apparently newjeans are poaching Ador's employees

Next thing we know newjeans blackmailed the staff to resign. Smdh 💀

[neon igloo]

Someone pls help me! Five young girls are forcing me to love their music and buy all their albums. HYBE, please help me, I can’t stop!

[warm hedge]

does anyone have a rough idea when NJ will release some new music? hoping we get something in the next 3-4 months

[craggy skiff]

The pics leaked at 3am but in these pics it is very dark outside

[short laurel]

Thx for confirmation

[stable escarp]

never seen a "house inspection" when its that dark out. Taking pictures like its an abandoned building 💀

[craggy skiff]

i don't know why they are not turn on the light

jinjin is spreading a rumous that pictures is leak by a sasaeng fan

[tardy smelt]

seeing that dorm dark and empty though man, end of another era

[red thorn]

Wasn't the og post titled "confession"
Not sure what was that referring

[stable escarp]

on sum agent bond mission shi

[short laurel]

It's sad they couldn't even stay at their new dorm for a year. It was specially designed for them.

So much work only for hybe odor to destroy it

[thorny gate]

Idk maybe that's what I thought😓

But I hope so

[red thorn]

No idea bc don't know what their plan and we cant really predict what's gonna happen
Only can hope

[jade jolt]

~t
https://x.com/hyeinsterz/status/1879106995397271767

[narrow seal]

250114 hyeinsterz Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/hyeinsterz/status/1879106995397271767
minji :(

[jade jolt]

They lost so much last year i hope 2025 is kinder to.them

[hoary frost]

MY SHAYLAA

[cerulean lake]

2024 was such a promising year for them if hybe didn’t interfere

i hope all those hybe executives who did dirty work get the karma they deserve like i’m actually so pissed

[hoary frost]

The world tour we cldve had

[cerulean lake]

we could have had so much this year and the girls would also be happy

if hybe somehow wins the injunction i think it’s time for me to leave kpop forever or smth. can’t keep up with such a wicked corporation and industry

[hoary frost]

I just wanted to know, do you guys think this whole thing is already won or have we already lost?

[stable escarp]

Doesnt matter if we win or lose, we have won in our hearts. Hybe will never be the same and theres always more for Jeanz in the future as long as we're still supporting them

That said, if we dont win imma crash out

[cerulean lake]

i wish i could be optimistic but i can’t for some reason bc hybe is still such a mfer who will do wtv it takes to not accept their wrongdoings

only time they did was when they got exposed for those internal documents and it spread like wildfire bc even they couldn’t have the media cover up for them

[lucid yarrow]

lol those antis like love that those employees are leaving NJ and the sinking ship, now they saying they r stealing them u can't have it both ways.....

[stiff prairie]

yesterday i saw an anti tag hybe's twitter in a post showing blacq liking an anti hybe comment on insta and saying hope they don't find jobs and stuff anymore.

ig their corporate overlords gave them a diff command today

[short laurel]

it's ok, if og ador staff can't find jobs in korea cuz of hybe and bang's political family. they can easily find them in every other country. high level of creative's are in demand everywhere.

and hybe pissed off many high level creative's last year

[copper jetty]

https://x.com/hannithequeenn/status/1879102309206249531?t=E0mZuyaH0glpGpXhimtF5A&s=33

NewJeans Enthusiast (@hannithequeenn) on X

Lotte Wellfood released an article today bragging about how with NewJeans as their Zero Campaign Brand Model they exceeded their target sales

Twitter · Jan 14, 2025, 9:44 AM

I love how the brands somehow release information regarding our girls' campaigns almost like an answer to fraudor's injunction. Lmao

[vague shore]

I kinda secretly hope they sign with a US company because those 7 year deals signed as minors never stand a chance there, so whether they win or lose the injunction, it won't matter

[acoustic marsh]

It will end up okay in the end i hv good hopes in it

From wht i see from both court hearings of belift & source music vs mhj, the companies lack concrete and sufficient evidence thus have to collect more for their claims so, so far mhj is in the lead in a way

[short laurel]

that's funny xD

[craggy skiff]

Just stay, bro.
If the hybe won, the girls have more reason to keep working.
Win or lose only affect "will they need to pay off", they already leave hybe anyway

[shut kelp]

they didnt even live in those dorms for a year 😭

hybe and ador karma will hit hard

[jade jolt]

~t
https://x.com/snjwnrof/status/1879224285233078595

[narrow seal]

250114 snjwnrof Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/snjwnrof/status/1879224285233078595
นี่ค่ะ😌👋🏻🪰

[steel depot]

any news?

[jade jolt]

Nothing new yet

[split bramble]

related but unrelated development, president yoon getting arrested, start of hybe losing their government influence

[north geyser]

Did Hybe have ties with his party? Or what

[short laurel]

His wife was seen at hybe building

Yoon was blocking investigation on his wife for another case too.

[cerulean lake]

didn’t his wife just get exposed for plagiarizing her essay for her masters degree or smth

i literally saw that from some news channel on youtube the other day

[short laurel]

With yoon arrest other issues will finally be discussed at NA that hopefully includes hybe for stocks fraud n hybe members perjury during their previous NA meeting.

[short laurel]

Too many issues.

But bsh family connection runs deep, yoon is just 1 guy. Politicians has too many scapegoats. 1st need investigation in ministry of labour for how hybe even get top company award

Honestly i doubt much will change. Government too corrupted

[cerulean lake]

exactly that’s why i’m worried bc as much as i want hybe to face repercussions they have too many lapdogs and connections that kiss up to their ass

[stiff prairie]

Are they affiliated w the other party as well? Cause I thought once election is held if party changes, the top people from ministries will also be changed which might be beneficial to us

[short laurel]

Politicians change their parties often when seeing benefits. It doesn't matter who is in power as much as people think.

Just yoon was extremely dumb for what he did. Bang's family can buy off another person from whoever wins. Benefits will be reduced but hybe still be protected to some extent.

But with yoon's arrest other matters can finally resume properly atleast. There was demand for resolution regarding hube's stock market fraud

[stiff prairie]

this is new. in my country losing party's politicians of top level can only change party if the ruling party thinks those ppl are necessary. well whatevs let's see what happens in the future

[short laurel]

Well top ones are hard to change yea. Mostly it's other members.

In the end it's about benefits. We'll c how it goes.

[stiff prairie]

-prayjeans

[tall dew]

[stiff prairie]

*x -c https://x.com/kchartsmaster/status/1879354526484078864

[harsh dove]

@kchartsmaster <t:1736908010:d>

Taldeok Camp (Sojang) has been sentenced to 2 years suspended imprisonment, 3 years probation and ordered to pay 200 million won in restitution on difamation charges.

https://v.daum.net/v/20250115110339924

[stiff prairie]

god pls take out sniper and lee jinho too 🙏

[cerulean lake]

not to mention sean lim

[opaque torrent]

https://x.com/thegreatgaram/status/1879429226740285915

람짱 // ʀᴀᴍᴊᴊᴀɴɢ (@thegreatgaram) on X

It's funny how people don't even bother to try to understand the "proofs" they bring forward.

This is in respond to someone (rightfully) saying NewJeans LEGALLY terminated their contract.

Guess what? The lawyer also agrees that the contract has been legally terminated. LOL

Twitter · Jan 15, 2025, 7:23 AM

[opaque torrent]

yeah i bet a lot are paid by hybe

when clout chasing 'experts' have a shallow understanding of issues or cases, they usually side with the status quo

no because like i said, hes refusing to acknowledge mhj's injunction win

and he doesnt know about the precedents where breakdown of trust was enough for contract termination

https://news.mt.co.kr/mtview.php?no=2019051713348229203#:~:text=최근 한 연예인이 자신,깨졌다는 판단에서였습니다

https://www.scourt.go.kr/portal/news/NewsViewAction.work?seqnum=6812&gubun=4

there are two examples of breakdown in trust without direct harm to the artist. unless he acknowledges these precedents and can argue against why they dont apply to newjeans, there are gaps in his conclusions

[stiff prairie]

i ain't reading allat but since you went from pessimistic to hopeful i'm getting my hopes up as well

anything for newjeans

[short laurel]

there was an article where 2 korean lawyers were discussing this case. 1 was siding with newjeans but seemed overall nice. other one was siding with hybe and called newjeans idiot or something related to this word. translation was weird. this shows not all lawyers are trusted.
but yea lawyers words in the end are words with maybe higher value than ours but ultimately the one who decides right and wrong is court, there words of lawyers outside the case means nothing.

[steep torrent]

https://x.com/bluemoon_hn/status/1879441175037591689?s=46
at least we know shes in korea idk why ppl thought she returned to australia

블루 (@bluemoon_hn) on X

👤 HANNI WHAT ARE SOME OF YOUR FAVOURITE ARTISTS RIGHT NOW
🐰💬 well.... i have been listening to michael jackson a lot!... also a lot of laufey!!
🐰💬 the weather here in Korea is cold so Laufey's music is the best and a must.... (for me 🙂)

Twitter · Jan 15, 2025, 8:11 AM

[mild mist]

Exactly, lawyers don't matter, judges matter

[frozen bronze]

stuff like this is pretty funny to me
people just going "they cant just do this", how would they ever know what they can or cant do

[short laurel]

that lawyers calling words to NJ really makes me disgusted how a professional discussing this case speak like that.

[short laurel]

to them poor billion $ company can terminate contract unilaterally. but young teenagers suffering abuse can't. make it make sense.

[hoary frost]

Dazed Korea Hyein vid got removed

[marsh sorrel]

Re upload may b

...

[tardy smelt]

it was supposed to be uploaded on Friday apparently

[hoary frost]

They could not wait to show us Hyein 🤣

[steep torrent]

*x -c https://x.com/pannchoa/status/1810704995509055723?s=46
crazy we're closer to hitting a year than going back to when this first happened

[harsh dove]

@pannchoa <t:1720540686:d>

Min Heejin seen walking out of the police investigation with a delighted smile after 8 hours
https://tinyurl.com/39m5s399

[hoary frost]

she's just

[sly python]

fit goes hard

[copper jetty]

real. Even her fit at one of the hyundai things where she wore just shirt, black jacket and black hat too. Fit goes hard. She might be one of my fashion inspirations. I wanna be that cool looking

[frigid mason]

Anyone translate mhj’s story?

[hoary frost]

omg i was about to say this

[south vale]

gm njs chat

[stoic heron]

I just came here for this

[tardy smelt]

i have no idea what articles she's yapping about but tl;dr is a journalist messaged her and she's calling them out for misrepresenting her

[wind monolith]

Pre sure an article was posted tdy

Its the usual mediaplay

[tardy smelt]

*x -c https://x.com/newjeans_loop/status/1879692561650237441

[harsh dove]

@newjeans_loop <t:1736988604:d>

Min HeeJin IG updated

Hello. This is Jang Woo-jeong, a reporter from Chosun Biz. I’m leaving this message early in the morning. Today, on September 14, 2024, we have reported parts of a conversation between former CEO Min Hee-jin and Hye-in’s uncle, which we obtained. It is related to the Ministry of Employment and Labor. If former CEO Min has any rebuttal regarding this, we would like to include it. I will wait for your response.

🧢

Hello, you’ve been publishing false reports day after day, and I’d like to ask you in return. I don’t even know the government official in question, let alone having instructed or requested anything. The current content is entirely false information, amounting to nothing more than speculative fiction. On that date, I received a sudden call from her uncle, and if you’ve seen the entire conversation, you’d know that there wasn’t any relevant discussion on that day. Moreover, even in the conversations before and after that date, I was not the speaker—in fact, the situation was the opposite, where I was being advised instead.
As with your previous article, this one too reconstructs the conversation in a way entirely unrelated to the claims made in the article, this time using screenshots to make it appear as though the content behind them provides evidence. If you look at the conversation from the very next day, you’d know better than anyone that the situation was the opposite of what’s being suggested. Yet, you deliberately wrote the article to make it seem as though I was the speaker and the one causing the misunderstanding. I see this as a serious violation of journalistic ethics. Your previous article was also based on false information and speculation.

[red thorn]

https://v.daum.net/v/20250116060042211 I haven't read the article

[tardy smelt]

yeah, reeks of media play

[red thorn]

Sincere report would be fact-check first then publish
Like Jeff with TAG pr materials given to him

[vague shore]

This is classic media play They release news at 6 AM without proper fact-checking, solely to push their narrative, and claim 'MHJ didn’t respond' to make it seem objective In reality, they contact MHJ two hours after publishing the article If they do get a response, they either edit the article or bury it to avoid legal accountability Meanwhile, this article will later be picked up by other so-called 'media outlets' for similar media play, perpetuating the same cycle

[short laurel]

Deleted?

[sly python]

deleted

[short laurel]

Why?

[red thorn]

Probably gonna repost with censored ver

[short laurel]

Hyein's uncle gonna have problems with hyein's family after this. How dare he mess with his niece's career for some extra money

[vague shore]

Maybe she got legal advice I think it’s better for her to stop responding to these media plays, as any response will just become material for more media manipulation These people have no morals She should go straight to filing a lawsuit against the individuals responsible for writing it