NJZ Updates and Discussion

[wind monolith]

Cuz ador wont stop with this bullshit attempts

[half knot]

why the fuck would they mention the visa publicly?

[jolly junco]

to give the girls any mental stress they can give

[half knot]

holy shit these ador and hybe pr people are idiotic

there are literally 4-6 different ways Hanni can go about extending that especially given she's been in Korea for over 4-5 years now

[hoary frost]

The girls dgaf cos they are right and sensible people support them

[short laurel]

https://x.com/talytokki/status/1870008180295565771?t=l3z9CkQF170ZSXiZkBf0mA&s=19

taly (@talytokki) on X

never in my life did I think I’d be diving into South Korean immigration law, but here I am... so apparently Hanni could possibly apply for an F-2, F-5, D-8, or D-10 visa.

also, ador’s statement might’ve violated PIPA by disclosing Hanni’s private information.

Hanni is smart,

Twitter · Dec 20, 2024, 7:27 AM

[half knot]

lol so I'm not the only one who delved deep into korean immigration visas 😄

this who fiasco made a significant portion of newjeans fans and followers and supporters go from casual multistan listeners and followers to hardcore fandom followers and supporters

[short laurel]

Many of us did.

[half knot]

this is like war, you know how a divided country comes together against a foreign invader and it can define a whole country's identity after... this is newjeans fandom now.

[short laurel]

Army has been so annoying to everyone. I wish all Fandoms united to fight for nj. Cuz this helps ever other idols

[hoary frost]

Most fandoms are ok, Army is just another diff breed

[short laurel]

I said army has beef with every fandom so i wish every fandom join together in this case to shut up army who keep spreading hybe's mediaplay

[lucid yarrow]

more dirt throwing to make nothing into a controversy 🥱 they sure have nothing better to do

[jolly junco]

ugh i need to logout from twitter... this is insane

[lucid yarrow]

it be funny if they just move to australia for time being/vacation if fraudor want them to leave so bad lol and give us some aussie jeanz vlogs

[heady gate]

This is funny. Ador knows her phone number. They can text her and tell her to renew the work visa. Instead, Ador posted a message to the public. They want to change viewer's opinions about Hanni.

[stiff prairie]

this is 100% a distraction move from the album sales manipulation thingy getting attention since yesterday

[warm shard]

what album sales manipulation thing?

[stiff prairie]

I'm not following it that closely but apparently bts got caught doing it back in the days and lawsuits (smth considered not illegal back then but is illegal now)/apologies took place and it resurfaced again yesterday. maybe namiko can explain better

[steep torrent]

actually the second time it resurfaced lol, last time it was brought up was with hybe cult stuff a couple months ago

[short laurel]

It has been brought up multiple times.

I m not sure If the case i mentioned is the same one.

[waxen musk]

I fail to understand how ADOR thinks how they behave will benefit them at all.
Meanwhile the girls are just posting the most random things on their Instagram with no care in the world. I love it.

[jolly junco]

because they know their legal team are working on the right track

[fleet nebula]

Idk if it's been said yet but with Australian passport 90 day visa free waiver can also tide her over and it resets every time she leaves the country aka goes to Japan for a schedule, just iffy on the doing work details side of it but yeah, trust the girls to know what they're doing, laugh at fraudor as per usual

[heady gate]

Basically, Ador statement is trying to overshadow NJ 100 million won donation. That is their true intention.

[hoary frost]

crazy

[waxen musk]

https://x.com/91NaHW/status/1870057723825664415

"This is no different from when everything started. HYBE got nothing solid. Fraudor got nothing."

It’s been 8 months already. I think people should have noticed by now. If you still can’t see it clearly, it’s because you’ve placed yourself right in the eye of the storm. Step back and look at what’s been happening over the past 8 months. Aside from the almost weekly statements of accusations, what else is there? NOTHING.

People need reminding. They really are scraping the bottom of the barrel to find new things to attack with after all this time.

It's why I'm slowly starting to just immediately ignore all of this media play and not worry. If the girls aren't worried, neither should we.

I'll let everyone else waste their time, especially the antis.

[mild mist]

I'm just fed up
Let the courts do their thing

[hoary frost]

lol u can tell hybe’s main focus is the media where they boost engagements just to appear more like a general public opinion they didn’t need to release a statement for this

[hoary frost]

i guess they do the same with their music they boost the numbers to let ppl think its good 😂 im not even suprised BSH proudly said he invented the fake it till you make it strategy

[red thorn]

"Fake it till you make it"
Also "Silence is golden"

[neon igloo]

Honestly, I’m starting to hate people for their stupid. I try to hold back and not feel negative, but it’s just unbelievable. They literally grab onto any little thing and blow it up into a problem of universal proportions.
omg, visa is obviously NOT A PROBLEM for any foreign citizen, especially for Hanni. There are plenty of legal ways to extend it.

Whooh... I’m off to drink cocoa with marshmallows and listen to NewJeans songs to calm myself down

[hoary frost]

im trying to find the interview but i remember he said it was keep calling them the biggest before being big to attract fans whos unfamiliar with kpop(more like bandwagoners lol)

[stable escarp]

Just think of yourself as smarter than them and more knowledgeable. This way you can just laugh at them for how gullible they are to misinformation and media play.
In the end, once the truth comes out, no one can refute it and even if they do it'll just bite them in the ass.

[jolly junco]

their plan is just to exhaust everyone involved in this feud, the girls, MHJ, us bunnies

if us bunnies can affected by everything HYBE did with the media play, the girls will lose their support system

i dont think they are trying to shift public opinion because public knows who's at fault

[waxen musk]

I'd like to think it's making us stronger and more supportive.

Honestly I feel like there haven't been many shifts in opinions other than maybe a few more supporters.

[jolly junco]

just like you said, the "nonbelievers" are gonna get tired of this and leave

[red thorn]

Their mediaplays just made me more alert
General public might be exhausted, that's the purpose

[heady gate]

In the meantime, their IG account may reach 4 million on early Sunday.

[hoary frost]

and its for those who don’t keep up with the news like if u search “what happened to njs” to any platform the top searches would be always the most viewed or most engagements a of lot casuals don’t really deep dive so they just believe the first thing they find

[neon igloo]

yeah, I don’t engage in arguments with antis because it’s pointless. It just frustrates me how people can fall for such bad media tactics. I constantly think about how hard it must be for the girls to live surrounded by all of this

[jolly junco]

If it frustrates us “outsiders” i know its even more stressful for them who actually involved in it… its a wonder how they can still smile like that

[tawdry vessel]

that's on cam but off cam... 😔

[harsh dove]

@Alucardaviary <t:1733106745:d>

A Japanese bunnies shared her experience during recording

Hyein kept bowing multiple times,
Hanni waved while breaking down in tears,
Minji gave a bow (like she did on Nino-san) while watching over the members,
Danielle&Haerin stayed for a long time while crying and waving.

[jolly junco]

[short laurel]

https://x.com/soyamoyas/status/1869987729817383187?t=28fm6K30UK8oxAr8bF9CKg&s=19

soy | #jeanzforfree 💙🩷💛💚💜 (@soyamoyas) on X

Gonna need the Australian embassy to raise a warning sign for all Australians working in Korea and blacklist Fraudor and Hybe for being a xenophobic company that bullies Australians

Pls sir @AusAmbROK @AustChamKorea

Twitter · Dec 20, 2024, 6:06 AM

[red thorn]

Oh new label for hybe multi-label

[jolly junco]

*x -c https://x.com/newjeans_loop/status/1870105497560592858?s=46&t=Rf0MFOpPEsPDO_zBu2aZ7A

[harsh dove]

@newjeans_loop <t:1734702870:d>

🐹:
Oh, it's Hanni unnie when she's angryㅋㅋ
don't mess with the otter🙂

🦦: What? What are you looking at?

#뉴진스 #NewJeans #하니 #Hanni #ハニ
#혜인 #Hyein #ヘイン

[jolly junco]

I loveeee this jeanzforfree 🤣🤣🤣

[stiff prairie]

on which performance did it happen?

[jolly junco]

NTV music fest

[stiff prairie]

that was before nov 29?

[jolly junco]

After the presscon

[split bramble]

https://x.com/kismetfiless/status/1870001117234352261

aria ☘︎⁹ (@kismetfiless) on X

@kangsterrin “well actually as an immigration officer—“

Twitter · Dec 20, 2024, 6:59 AM

[harsh dove]

:warning: Tweet with id 1870001117234352261 does not contain any media!

[jolly junco]

~t https://x.com/UpdatesNewJeans/status/1870135232072155392

[narrow seal]

241220 UpdatesNewJeans Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/UpdatesNewJeans/status/1870135232072155392
dior has also made known their contract is with haerin and not newjeans haerin

#NewJeans #뉴진스 #JEANZ

[jolly junco]

brands are starting to not use "newjeans" name anymore

[stable escarp]

what a wonderful thing to see before i go sleep

[cyan rivet]

Guys, is hanni illegal immigrants now?

[fleet nebula]

no wtf

[cyan rivet]

Just... Rumors about visas and contracts

[copper jetty]

Idk... its been 8 months and most of Hybe's and Ador's statements have yet to stick and it's just full of media play that i don't mind them anymore. It's the same with hanni's visa. Ador didn't have any business whatsoever releasing that private information and I just hope they could use this for future legal battles.

I've become a chill tokki lmao

[hushed whale]

[gentle badger]

[hoary frost]

[twin cypress]

Hanni kinda like me when I was younger 🤫😂😂😂

[heady gate]

Basically, Ador statement is trying to overshadow NJ 100 million won donation. That is their true intention.

[copper jetty]

I mean hanni's visa issue also is tied to her employment... they wouldn't have released that if they're not fishing if hanni or any of the jeaniez signed to another company so more or less tied to their tampering issue too.
Plus, yeah it'll overshadow the donation plus the bighit allegations so even if they get sued it's a win for hybe and Ador. Misdirection fr.

[opaque torrent]

whatever. another example of breach of trust for the girlies to use against them in court

[heady gate]

Ador and HYBE got NOTHING against Hanni's work visa. It is mediaplay. She is fine.

[red thorn]

I'm sure they all figure it out, Hanni's side
They won't take it lightly from the beginning.

[tired cairn]

Please don't trust AI for these things, they're too specific and complex subjects. AI is very good at making things up even if it provides references. Hanni will have it figured out, you're right, we can trust her on that

[red thorn]

https://n.news.naver.com/article/022/0003996387?sid=102 [Exclusive] Ministry of Employment and Labor concludes “no illegality” in Hive industrial accident cover-up suspicions
Expected, this kind of outcome, since no report submitted in the first place... Which is strange

[hoary frost]

hello??????

https://x.com/allkpop/status/1870143914180784248?t=36bjM6HYnqFuLjaALqTDSQ&s=19

yea guys jus report and dont interact 🫡

allkpop (@allkpop) on X

"Jeanz" #Hanni might become an illegal alien and have to go back to Australia due to ADOR contract termination https://t.co/eB0plh14yz

Twitter · Dec 20, 2024, 4:27 PM

[half knot]

she's just increasing her notoriety

[red thorn]

🏌️ and open the comment section for mercenaries

[sonic olive]

What is happening guys is our Jeanz is in danger ?

[heady gate]

this is normal mediaplay. I was wondering why HYBE was so quiet from Monday to Thursday. Now we found out they were planning this the whole time. Nice play, but it is pointless.

[shy schooner]

I am sure they are prepared already with visa

[jolly junco]

dont worry, if they are really in danger hyein wont be joking like this on instagram right at this moment

[cinder verge]

is hanni actually gonna get deported or smth or is hybe spewing lies again

[stiff prairie]

Illegal alien? Wtf kinda wording is that? Kpop stans are maga followers now?

[jolly junco]

in korea alien means identification

like alien card = identification card

[stiff prairie]

Really? 😭

Actually I don't think they meant it like that. They woulda said hanni will become illegal without an alien

[jolly junco]

but its true... in korea people say like that

[tardy smelt]

in the context of the headline above, it's meant the way you usually hear it in the US

[hoary frost]

All kpop again

[red thorn]

It's correct term
But don't think it should be used anymore in this day and age 💀

[stiff prairie]

Already saw our necessary evil toxic stans dragging the article writer and how she might be an immigrant herself. She's studied from NYU law, so I bet she knows exactly what she was doing when she said that

[short laurel]

It's sad to c female dragging other female

[tawdry vessel]

while siding with an incel company

[stiff prairie]

urghh tiktok was finally usable again after a long time. i bet this will be the first nj post i see if i go there today

[cerulean lake]

imagine studying law to end up writing these types of articles

years of studying and to end up doing this..

[jolly junco]

they are playing so i dont think its anything serious like some "twt immigration worker" want it to be

[hoary frost]

Wtf? People are working to get Hanni deported

[flint stone]

What?!

[shy schooner]

People are reporting her apparently

[short laurel]

Group of incels reported hanni but nothing gonna come out of it. Dw.

[short laurel]

Instead share this more n more

[flint stone]

i know that it won't work, but how stupid and jealous they are to do this

[short laurel]

She challenged hybe so they gonna keep throwing shit. I bet hybe paid them to do so.

[flint stone]

i wouldn't be surprised if it's true

[hoary frost]

*twt https://x.com/xxxwappxxx/status/1870037811589513403?s=46

[harsh dove]

@xxxwappxxx <t:1734686732:d>

[flint stone]

wtf

they are that jealous?

[hoary frost]

Literally

[flint stone]

where did this creatures lose their brains to do such things,gosh

[jolly junco]

LMAO

[heady gate]

That is the true intention of HYBE message yesterday. It influenced public opinion successfully.

[midnight zodiac]

can't take them seriously. first we got "law students" saying contracts don’t work that way so they're still with hybe/ador. now they're saying since the contract is terminated she’s not legally allowed in south korea anymore. so inconsistent

[mild mist]

next we'll have geographical experts telling us why she isn't actually in korea

[hoary frost]

Next we’ll have astronomy experts telling us why shes out of this world

[midnight zodiac]

gonna take illegal alien to mean supernatural stuff

[hoary frost]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046967001614131311/1318883353583157360/IMG_6250.gif

[midnight zodiac]

maybe they will go with that because if she's an alien from outer space then human rights don't apply

[tawdry vessel]

nope, just a classic media play and fraudor getting desperate

im pretty sure the visa thing had already been taken care of by hanni

im not worried

[short laurel]

https://x.com/MightyKeef/status/1870143092365398426?t=TR7w7vnWguJ5b-5s0rdZkg&s=19

Offtopic but 💀

Mightykeef (@MightyKeef) on X

An undocumented illegal alien whose most notorious enemy is a billionaire.

I don’t think these guys understand what Ring-Wing is anymore.

Twitter · Dec 20, 2024, 4:23 PM

It's about superman

[hoary frost]

Hanni is superman?

[short laurel]

Ignore the political part of the post pls.

[harsh dove]

@bunnyverse <t:1734781075:d>

So unsurprisingly Hybe and fraudor are monitoring the comment section of Newjeans MVs and vids very closely. I sent these comments under many MVs and almost all their recent covers. And not even a day later they are all gone

[red thorn]

Hmm tbf that's spammy
Could trigger anyone lol

[rugged dagger]

^

[short laurel]

It's likely that youtube auto delete them cuz it's spammy

But we've seen this behaviour in belift video, them camping the comments to delete comments

[jolly junco]

is it still spam if the comments are for different videos?

[short laurel]

If it's from same account, yes

[sage pilot]

Remember when HYBE acquired TAG PR back in August? I don't know how closely y’all follow western scandals, but today an article was posted about Hollywood’s smear machine following the scandal between Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni. TLDR, TAG PR was behind the smear campaign against Blake Lively. Melissa Nathan, PR representative, directly said, “We can bury anyone.” It’s connected to us because TAG PR has already moved against MHJ when Billboard wanted to cover the conflict back in September. The infamous Scooter Braun is the main shareholder in TAG PR. I want y’all to remember these names and prepare for the smear campaigns against NJ in the future, especially if they will promote on the US market.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/21/business/media/blake-lively-justin-baldoni-it-ends-with-us.html?unlocked_article_code=1.jE4.znbB.eRuJ9I6xorUN&smid=url-share

~t https://x.com/njbubblegum/status/1836088053347365369?s=46

[narrow seal]

240917 NJBUBBLEGUM Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/NJBUBBLEGUM/status/1836088053347365369
HYBE acquires PR firm that represented Johnny Depp during his divorce proceedings with Amber Heard to strengthen U.S. PR efforts in 1H 2024.

[sage pilot]

~t https://x.com/ragamuffin_x/status/1870509355696623749?s=46

[narrow seal]

241221 ragamuffin_x Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/ragamuffin_x/status/1870509355696623749
Justin Baldoni hired Johnny Depps PR team and here you can see how they really REVEL in destroying women.

[gentle badger]

Not looking forward to it

[cosmic belfry]

Yea I saw the damage they did to Blake Lively and indirectly Ryan Reynolds. Kinda crazy.

[cyan rivet]

Hybe seems to want people to accuse hanni of being an illegal immigrant

[split bramble]

is tag the go-to-pr firm for all incels fighting women?

[pulsar wasp]

feeling like pure evil

[split bramble]

~t https://x.com/FilmUpdates/status/1870562007260570108

[narrow seal]

241221 FilmUpdates Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/FilmUpdates/status/1870562007260570108
Justin Baldoni reportedly hired a crisis PR expert who worked to hire contractors to dominate social media through “full social account take downs” of Blake Lively by starting “threads of theories” and generally working to “change narrative.”

“All of this will be most

[split bramble]

none of this surprises those of us who've been following what hybe been doing to mhj, nj this year

[heady gate]

Lets how the American media deal with this issue. We can learn from it.

[opaque torrent]

its funny that reddit accuses mhj of hiring a PR firm that employs bots to shape the narrative on forums but in actuality, it's HYBE owning the most notorious firm with the most notorious clients

[vapid turret]

Hey wait a minute I heard this from Talytokki that Korean Gillits wanted to deport Hanni how racist can toxic stan be?

[heady gate]

Ador statement was successfully affecting public opinion about Hanni. Well done.

[waxen musk]

I don’t see this message if I check for myself. Is this real? https://x.com/talytokki/status/1870612101166956640?s=46

taly (@talytokki) on X

OHHH.

Twitter · Dec 21, 2024, 11:27 PM

[gentle badger]

Yes

[waxen musk]

It’s odd I cant see that. I needed to confirm before saying something about it.

[gentle badger]

You have no luck with insta

[waxen musk]

It’s showing for me now.

[cosmic belfry]

Yea I only see it on the highlights

[tawdry vessel]

need to stop using nj for clout smh

[cosmic belfry]

But regardless I mentioned before it was the Indomie shoot which was almost certainly before ETA went viral.

[waxen musk]

It’s scares me that Hanni saw this when I’m only just finding out about it now. She’s more up to date than me and I’m chronically online.

[tawdry vessel]

yl is gotta be hanni

[waxen musk]

I was going to mention that. I saw someone in the main chat say she was doing Faze gesture but I was pretty sure this was before the Jason ETA meme.

What a mess. Everything is so focused on Hanni these days she doesn’t need more shit to worry about.

I’m trying to find it because I scrolled past it earlier but did Jason react to this Hanni post himself or is it just his community?

In the past I said I at least thought he learnt to respect the girls and not cause them any harm but now he’s doing it unintentionally all because he didn’t think this farming stuff through. Backfired a lot. Even I was forgiving of it and laughed it off but it’s too far now.

[flint stone]

jason reacted himself and his community supported

[waxen musk]

Yeah thought I saw that. Thanks for confirming. What a shame.

[flint stone]

there is some comments under clip/cut from live, there also was link to it, but video was taken down/deleted https://x.com/Phamkuromi/status/1870422199221604652

Chericheri／(≧ x ≦)＼🍒🍀 (@Phamkuromi) on X

"It’s a joke, just chill out"? Nah, this is beyond a joke. They’re literally creating fake narratives and this literally can affect Hanni’s reputation over and over. From fake phone calls to this? How much lower can they go? STAY AWAY FROM NEWJEANS, STAY AWAY FROM HANNI

Twitter · Dec 21, 2024, 10:52 AM

[cobalt zodiac]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[waxen musk]

I think we all knew she was very online and up to date but this is the strongest evidence that she's specifically on English-speaking Tokki Twitter. Like this is undeniable proof of it. That's why it scares me.

[jolly junco]

when was the ETA went viral? the indomie ads shot happen back in march iirc

[cosmic belfry]

ETA was October

[waxen musk]

Someone said the ad shoot was in August. Either way, it's earlier than October.

[short laurel]

Jason Being delulu just cuz he met nj. Smh

[tardy smelt]

My feed is a mess. Too much bs going on.

[heady gate]

ppl are jealous of Jason and NJ meetup. That is

[tawdry vessel]

but what about them using nj for clout and making fake narratives?

lets address those

[marble cape]

who is them?

[tawdry vessel]

jason, his team, and his followers

[eager hamlet]

jason been listening to newjeans for a while now. even when he wasnt as popular and was bald asf

[marble cape]

i mean what do u want “jason” to do stop mentioning them? hes a fan of the girls this will happen with every influencer/celebrity the girls interact with, the fans will be fans

when stans police every person they interact with is just weird

[tawdry vessel]

just be a normal fan and stop milking off of nj

it got bad to the point where hanni had to call it out on insta

[eager hamlet]

stan police

shouldve started accusing him of a clout milker when he had less than 5k subs back when he was dancing to new jeans while working out in his garage

[marble cape]

fans will be fans hes already told his community not to be weird

[cosmic belfry]

I mean this isn't about being a fan. He's cultivated a certain audience that doesn't just change because he tells them to.

And he knowingly feeds into it.

[tawdry vessel]

basically

[marble cape]

so what do u think he should do?

[tawdry vessel]

i literally just told you lmao

[marble cape]

i know what u want im asking leek duck 😂😂😂

[tawdry vessel]

okay i got you

[cosmic belfry]

I mean the most basic thing is to not lie about stuff.

[jolly junco]

He did? I never watch his stream or follow any news about their community so i didnt know

[marble cape]

jason saw their story and thought she threw the faze sign while he was streaming, he looked like he was just clip farming has usual but fans on both sides are being weird about it hanni also mentioned that she didnt do a specific gesture or pose idk IMO i dont think its that serious but ig from bunnies pov jason is clout chasing and milking nj

[eager hamlet]

yup thats about it. even before that he was already getting called a clout chaser. makes no sense at all

[tawdry vessel]

yep and that's why i hate streamers in general cause for them to stay relevant is to chase clout

[eager hamlet]

nothin wrong with this. its just one of his biggest updates account (like juantokki for us) suggesting an idea

[eager hamlet]

hes an actual nj fan tho. might not be as big of a stan as any one of us here but he actually likes them

[tawdry vessel]

and the intention of it is? pretty obvious

[eager hamlet]

i mean who wouldnt wanna collab w the newjeans/jeanz. not even on some clout chaser shi but thats like the dream of every fan

[short laurel]

Jason name is not small. He is interacting on idol whose lives are sensitive to rumors. He should be careful about that. But he is the source of weird rumors now.

[tawdry vessel]

i have no problem with him enjoying nj and their songs, that's actually pretty cool. Just dont clout chase and now his fans are making false narratives

[marble cape]

man ts was cooked from the beginning when the eta clip got viral just let it go

[short laurel]

Especially with everything going on right now with mediaplay

[eager hamlet]

🤣🤣🤣

[marble cape]

anything positive will still be negative for everyone ts been cooked broski

[eager hamlet]

right right imma pce out 😆✌️

[waxen musk]

Saw someone say the clip was deleted earlier but I found it: https://www.twitch.tv/jasontheween/clip/SpunkyHelplessLemurGrammarKing-YJ4V_a6IYRnf5we2?filter=clips&range=7d&sort=time

When he was playing around with the Phoning calls he done it for a while then he had to stop that after realising how people took it.
I see this as him getting overexcited over a blurry hand gesture, obviously not knowing when the photo was taken. But then he goes on to farm by pretending he knows what the Korean caption says, which yet again makes people believe him and perpetuates the same problems that happened with him playing around with the Phoning calls.

[tawdry vessel]

not a fan of him even before that cause of his content and how he acts and behaves towards women, it's disgusting

🤮

[waxen musk]

I wish this was the end of it but him going to see them at the end of the year potentially use his connections again to talk to them again is just going to perpetuate these issues. Basically any interaction or mention of NewJeans by him will continue on the cycle of his fans going over the top with it and Tokkis reacting negatively to it. I think both sides overreact in general but ideally it would be best if it didn't happen just to give Hanni some damn rest. And yeah he has a bad history and is associated with a group with even worse history. My very limited observation of his streams didn't give me any sense of this bad history, but I see some of the cringe content in his stream titles and avoid that stuff so maybe I was too quick to judge him as "fine" based on the stuff I did actually see live.

Oh no I literally just found out Jason farmed the ETA meme yet again but this time with Mr Beast. It upsets me after everything we learnt about Mr Beast recently and how disgustingly terrible he is that he's still just going on as normal, being added to Fortnite, etc.

I need to stop yapping but it's just on my mind how it feels like all the focus is on Hanni all the time and it's like all the positive she's done for speaking up is being outweighed by being shit on all the time and I can't stand it any more. Sorry.

[steep torrent]

yeah thats how he blew up, he would talk to a bunch of girls on stream and his chat would ship him with them and treat it like some competition on who they want him with most. thats how he met his gf and thats also why they broke up bc he kept doing that in the relationship. I keep seeing his fans say thats a minority in their fandom but its really not since thats where they all came from

*x https://x.com/aureli__24/status/1870105437535641778?zs=46
I thought he was cool but I think this clip is kinda weird

[harsh dove]

@Aureli__24 <t:1734702855:d>

[hoary frost]

Told u guys he was weird lol
Hes a game streamer and a game streamer should not at all associate with an idol bc many dont think before they say something and it comes out rlly weird to fan service their chats

[stiff prairie]

jason thing still going on?

[jolly junco]

you're asking like its a monthly event in bunnies community

[hoary frost]

Vous sptiting facs

[stiff prairie]

ok my two cents is yeah he has a bit of issues but it's less compared to a lot of streamers. and his fans are more weird w all the hanni wants him jokes. it's a joke because they know it's not gon happen so it's funny but comes at the expense of hanni and any controversy that might follow esp given the current situation, but his fans won't care, if it gets picked up on shitty tabloid they'd make more fun of it. and clips like the one above and a few others i saw like fake prank call from hanni doesn't help. but ig it's ok ig since the girls are kinda friends w him and he alr addressed this joke thingy to his fans so that's nice. the main issue is bunnies acting like it's such a big deal if any of the girls reply to him in the comments or smth. we need to be more nonchalant about it. we gotta remember jason is the one getting footage from his interaction w the girls, not the other way around. his twt update shows ss of hanni replying, cool, bunnies don't need to repost and say stuff out of jealousy or whatever. if the girls wanna be friends w him let them. we just need to not make a big deal out of it that's all. the more we make a big deal out of it the worse it will get

[finite monolith]

i think most of the ppl who have issues with it are just girls projecting their hatred of men onto jason and hanni, like... it's not that serious dawg :))))

[stiff prairie]

i wouldn't single out girls cause boys also have a jealousy problem that the girls responds to him, sb who's opposite gender to the girls and similar age etc. but yeah as a fandom we are going thru a lot so we need to stay united at all times

[tawdry vessel]

so we straight up just blaming on women now? hanni had to clear it up on insta cause some of his fans started shipping them but it's not that serious right

[red thorn]

The stan culture on both fandom have culture extreme that clash, one can very ignorant/insensitive, other one can be very overprotective, but para socially similar
I just hope if he is really sincere, he can be more aware of that and be mindful

[finite monolith]

shipping the 2 of them IS weird, but again, it's celeb's shipping, it happens all the time, ppl'll forget about it and move on. The problem i have with it is people calling his entire community or him a weirdo because of a few bad apples, like... is he supposed to control his entire audience?

[modern fog]

damn.

[tawdry vessel]

"but he isn't weird and his community is not that bad"

we should blame women instead

classic @finite monolith

[finite monolith]

you don't watch jason, and the ppl who said the quote propably only watched a few clips of him to come to that conclusion

[finite monolith]

this IS weird

[stiff prairie]

i think you guys can agree to disagree on jason and move on. but you should take back singling out girls cause that's not the way to go about it

[hoary frost]

Lets just say Jason has weird moments but the girls can decide for themselves so let it go as that

[short laurel]

He is an immature game streamer from always in mess faze clan. More attention u all give to him, more his goal of attracting our attention for clout is met.
It's best we ignore his existence. He isn't worth our attention.

[hoary frost]

Yh

[short laurel]

We have better things to worry about, like mediaplay Monday tomorrow

[stiff prairie]

i agree w the essence but not the way you put it lol. we need to pay less attention that's true

[hoary frost]

Did u see this article? Was it just me or the title changed

According to comments they added “might” LOL

[short laurel]

Idk man, whenever i c faze clan it's always messy n immature drama.

https://x.com/cato_o_o/status/1870710506891391117?t=nUaYLjJ20xrUL9gXQyTXiQ&s=19

Cato_o_o (@cato_o_o) on X

No wonder Reddit is such a sh*thole.

Reddit is the most piece of sh*t conspiracy theory H-stan biased f*ck fest of all platforms when it comes to western platforms hating on NewJeans.

HYBE owns TAG PR.

Brainwashed H-stans being led through their haterade via TAG PR?

👇

Twitter · Dec 22, 2024, 5:58 AM

[stiff prairie]

streamers thrive on drama mainly lol

[tawdry vessel]

drama and clout to stay relevant basically

[short laurel]

There are plenty of streamers doing fine without drama

[stiff prairie]

good thing to bring it up now. is tag pr owned by hybe? or hired just

[jolly junco]

wowww $175k for narratives............

[jolly junco]

HYBE bought TAG PR, they are the biggest shareholder now

[short laurel]

Yea hybe america acquired it early this year

[red thorn]

🛵 B

[jolly junco]

so thats how HYBE operated

[short laurel]

🛵B owns huge shares too

[tawdry vessel]

yep

[stiff prairie]

can sb tell me how tag pr connects to taylor swift? i saw somewhere bunnies saying we might need swifties help now

[short laurel]

🛵 B n taylor are not on good term. Alot of drama going on.

[stiff prairie]

how many enemies does the scooty have lol

[short laurel]

N americans believe whatever bs tag pr spreads.

[short laurel]

Everyone with integrity hates him.

[hoary frost]

Yo is this whats inside the lunchboxes the girls paid for

Thats some crazy good food

Also report FregendX on twt and everywhere

[stiff prairie]

who them

[hoary frost]

Weirdo, made a vid recently calling Hanni an illegal alien, and based on others, he made a whole song abt Hanni earlier this year 🤣

*twt https://x.com/talytokki/status/1870292208491884556?s=46

[harsh dove]

@talytokki <t:1734747385:d>

[short laurel]

He's a creep.

[stiff prairie]

Oh yeah seen this a hole. Didn't know his name

[short laurel]

https://x.com/AboutMusicYT/status/1870407492863242405?t=c2f1gBpbk1w-XM_iZpDXAg&s=19

About Music (@AboutMusicYT) on X

Back in October, it was reported at the National Assembly that a HYBE employee collapsed in the office and died a few days later. While the company didn't file an industrial accident report.

The case was closed due to "it being difficult to view as a violation of the law".

Twitter · Dec 21, 2024, 9:54 AM

[stiff prairie]

didn't the ministry of labor clear them a few days ago? w bsh's dad's connection and all

[short laurel]

Yea

Ministry of labour needs to be audited 1st.

[jolly junco]

CMIIW, but their ministry will get demoted when their current president got fired?

[tawdry vessel]

reddit is not a real place

glad to be right

kpop reddit to be specific

[cerulean lake]

that would need a whole change in the political atmosphere there 🤮

[harsh dove]

@NJ1soon <t:1734833970:d>

To think that TAG is the same PR company that is behind newjeans smear campaign omg . This is exactly what they have been doing .

[jolly junco]

btw what triggered NYT to spill about TAG PR evil act?

[red thorn]

Blake Lively lawsuit against her co-star?

[jolly junco]

but how did the media knows the truth behind it?

[short laurel]

Chat leaks as u can c

[jolly junco]

yeah i wonder how they got that leaked chat, as it is HYBE specialty

[cosmic belfry]

Seems like a whistleblower in TAG

[short laurel]

It was released by court order.

[copper jetty]

Lmao, wouldn't this be a proof though for hybe smear campaign against newjeans? They could use this as proof in case Hybe goes to a court battle

[tawdry vessel]

the visa thing also started on reddit

[hoary frost]

This is so sweet

[cosmic belfry]

https://x.com/Jeff__Benjamin/status/1870695899262857440

Jeff Benjamin (@Jeff__Benjamin) on X

I never lied

Twitter · Dec 22, 2024, 5:00 AM

Assuming he's referring to when he said TAG PR sent him the materials.

[hoary frost]

lol ive been telling yall social media are just full of bots boosting narratives to make it seem its the truth

[hoary frost]

thats why i said my most concern in this dispute is 🛴 like him or not he got power in the us music market especially when he got ties with the UMG president

[jolly junco]

Why cant music just be…music? Why the need to put a certain narratives for the public to dive in? 😩

If they want drama they should have just produce some tv drama, not drama with real people

[waxen musk]

This TAG PR stuff is scaring me a lot. It just feels like it's going to be inescapable and ongoing. Part of the reason I yapped so much about Jason earlier was because it felt like something that would continue on despite it being quite easy to prevent. But this TAG PR stuff just makes me dread that the girls wake up every day wondering what new shit they have to deal with, just as we have when we used to expect a "Media Play Monday" or something for a while. Not sure what the solution is for this stuff, it's not like we can prevent this. We've already seen how once the damage has been done, that those perspectives and opinions linger around to this day. See everything from debut era still being used to attack them today.

[hoary frost]

now it make sense why the hybe internal report is like that they been gathering information to use for smear campaigns lol

[split bramble]

I'm sure their smear campaign on NJ would come out in court too, team bunnies have hinted at it on numerous occasions

[warm shard]

Now everything makes sense. They just need to take over some of the biggest subs (fauxmoi, kpop, kpop uncensored etc) and push crazy stuff on there and people will believe anything. Like when someone said that the things mhj wears are suspicious because she makes herself look young

[short laurel]

Mhj has been victim of alot of misinformation since her sm days unfortunately.

[heady gate]

The American news media will do more digging about TAG PR. We can sit back and watch.

[short laurel]

Various western artists Fandoms already on the work lol

[jolly junco]

https://x.com/juantokki/status/1870879615155368140?s=46&t=Rf0MFOpPEsPDO_zBu2aZ7A

1tokki (@juantokki) on X

I woke up before 1 AM, barely a few hours after crashing the moment I got home. Curious, I checked my messages and was greeted with some really, really, really good news! I got so hyped that now I can’t even fall back asleep! Honestly, I’m just so happy right now that even seeing

Twitter · Dec 22, 2024, 5:10 PM

https://x.com/juantokki/status/1870884225563656305?s=46&t=Rf0MFOpPEsPDO_zBu2aZ7A

1tokki (@juantokki) on X

All I can say is that things are looking up. The entire universe loves our girls so much. ❤️‍🔥

Twitter · Dec 22, 2024, 5:28 PM

https://x.com/juantokki/status/1870886914313871671?s=46&t=Rf0MFOpPEsPDO_zBu2aZ7A

1tokki (@juantokki) on X

The only thing I can say is 2025 will be insane. Not bad insane. Really good insane! 🩵

Twitter · Dec 22, 2024, 5:39 PM

Ok now i cant go back to sleep after reading this

[jade jolt]

Looking forward to it

[stiff prairie]

~t https://x.com/scenicMINJI/status/1870690496940793983

[narrow seal]

241222 scenicMINJI Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/scenicMINJI/status/1870690496940793983
there was a tokkis who said to hanni
"Hanni, stay strong!" Hanni smiled and answered, "I'm not going anywhere." 🥺

[mild mist]

What a tease

[gentle badger]

~t https://x.com/catzkang/status/1870971939747225844?t=uIbTCdSob4buG8UwQgL1-Q&s=19

[narrow seal]

241222 catzkang Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/catzkang/status/1870971939747225844
MHJ’a side stated, "We heard that stories were spreading in the investment industry that 'we decided to receive investment from someone' and 'we decided to sign a contract with someone', but none of it is true and we have never contacted or exchanged opinions with anyone,"

[red thorn]

Nothing new from the article?
Seems inspiration after golf article

[gentle badger]

Yep looks like they've run out of creativity

[cerulean lake]

so he just gonna tease this without telling us 😭

[marsh sorrel]

https://x.com/NewJeansSTRM/status/1871002500398235963?t=PXFWBMSG7cCp6oP_k9m1mQ&s=19

팀 버니즈 (@NewJeansSTRM) on X

FAKE 📌

All accounts except the Instagram account(jeanzforfree) are fake.

Twitter · Dec 23, 2024, 1:18 AM

[jolly junco]

*x -c https://x.com/juantokki/status/1871015861500379629

[harsh dove]

@juantokki <t:1734919917:d>

KOSPO Expresses Concern Over Conflict in HYBE Investment Contract: "Threatens Startups by Undermining Legal Stability"
https://www.m-i.kr/news/articleView.html?idxno=1192393
Maeil Ilbo Reporter Oh Si-nae

KOSPO: "Conflict Over HYBE's Investment Contracts Severely Undermines the Foundational Principles of Trust and Responsibility in the Investment Ecosystem"

The Korea Startup Forum (KOSPO) expressed deep concern on the 23rd over the recent conflict regarding investment contracts involving HYBE and its subsidiaries. The forum warned that such disputes jeopardize the legal stability of the investment environment and threaten the foundation of the startup ecosystem.

KOSPO stated, "The recent conflict over investment contracts involving HYBE and its subsidiaries represents a critical case that could seriously damage the foundational principles of trust and responsibility in the investment ecosystem." The organization emphasized, "Investment contracts are legally binding agreements built on mutual trust. These agreements are not just financial contributions; they combine intangible assets like opportunity costs, time, and shared vision, making them inherently collaborative in nature."

Additionally, KOSPO warned, "Investment contracts serve to protect business assets and rights while fostering growth between investors and investees. If the interpretation and execution of such contracts are unilaterally undermined, it will damage the essence of investment decisions and create irreversible distrust across the entire investment ecosystem."

The forum further highlighted, "A decline in societal trust regarding the fulfillment of investment contracts will severely dampen investor sentiment, with catastrophic effects on the ecosystem as a whole. Investment contracts must be interpreted and executed in a way that safeguards reasonable and sound investor expectations. Only when a stable environment that upholds socia

[cerulean lake]

all these articles say stuff but i’m waiting for the day there’s actually action against hybe 😑

[ashen charm]

hybe back at it

[jolly junco]

did they announced it the same for other groups too?

[waxen musk]

Why? Surely the people who are big enough fans of NewJeans would either have purchased the Season's Greetings already or already be aware of why this is weird, especially in Korea. I saw there was new bunini merch too in #nj-collection. It's interesting how this time it's "this is HYBE". ADOR clearly won't let NewJeans go and I'm not sure at which point they will unless forced to.

[ashen charm]

yup they are offering that bs photo thing

[waxen musk]

What photo thing?

Anyway I just expect HYBE/ADOR to milk the NewJeans name through merch and things for as long as they can. People expecting them to stop selling albums since they'll go out of print probably have nothing to worry about.

[jolly junco]

i hate how they can still milking money off newjeans name

[waxen musk]

What even is a photo ticket?

[jolly junco]

are they using the girls photos without permission?

[ashen charm]

a polaroid small pitcure

[waxen musk]

Never heard that term before. Is it a translation issue?

I've been wondering what ADOR staff do on a daily basis: not the ones helping the girls and who have yet to leave. Are there even that many employees that fit that description other than the board members that were placed there by HYBE?

[short laurel]

Admission that hybe n ador are one lol

[short laurel]

What about hybe taking over mhj's startup n unilaterally terminating her contract?

[jolly junco]

That organization are referring to that actually

They are afraid foreign investor will hesitate to invest in korea

[short laurel]

I read from korean that it's defending hybe

https://x.com/newsuhanmoo/status/1871023390003462220?t=9M-3WbHYigmPQkh1NvAvWA&s=19

😏 (@newsuhanmoo) on X

@cato_o_o https://t.co/J10TctJ4Fi

Twitter · Dec 23, 2024, 2:41 AM

[short laurel]

https://x.com/hahagatung/status/1871017442404970502?t=wBvpdXFzC-m2PBYImZEiIg&s=19

할말 (@hahagatung) on X

@juantokki

Twitter · Dec 23, 2024, 2:18 AM

[jolly junco]

this event feels like a game event i play online mobile games so i know

HYBE see idols as game character 💀

[short laurel]

https://x.com/thegreatgaram/status/1871046515491479677?t=D6SrGnqpKCypBCchxRUCBw&s=19

람짱 // ʀᴀᴍᴊᴊᴀɴɢ (@thegreatgaram) on X

this is the type of nonsense mhj & nj are against

Twitter · Dec 23, 2024, 4:13 AM

What fing shit hybe on

[waxen musk]

I saw they’re only selling three minor items alongside the Season’s Greetings and the photo thing for NewJeans is one OT5 image and not multiple images like for the other HYBE groups. Seems like ADOR didn’t give them anything to work with.

It’s a HYBE pop up in general.

[tawdry vessel]

[tiny peak]

honestly it's pathetic

[white mica]

Honestly, I’m sick of the kpop news channels

They for real can’t find better content to make other than hating on literally every breathing idol 😭

[unborn arrow]

https://x.com/tokkiloops/status/1871072206366888325

. (@TokkiLoops) on X

Sisa Journal named Min Heejin 'Cultural Figure Of The Year'

-In 2024, NewJeans continued to dominate K-pop, leading new trends and establishing an undeniable presence. Behind their timeless yet fresh appeal was the figure who designed this charm, Min Hee-jin. This year

Twitter · Dec 23, 2024, 5:55 AM

[heady gate]

Each 2025 greetings package costs 61000 won. The K-pop industry has a tendency to use photocards to drive album sale. This is the same strategy.

The good news is, NJ only has 1 photo ticket design in the pop up store

I was expecting 12 designs.

[short laurel]

Yes but this thing is not something nj does. As the post said it's nonsense. Nj n mhj were always against it.
N it especially said only enyphan tws n nj. How they gonna do nj when they only have 1

[heady gate]

hold on, it said there are 6 NJ photo tickets.

[hoary frost]

Shows only one group

[jolly junco]

MHJ gatekeeping all NJ photos

[steel depot]

what is juantokki talking about on twitter? what's the positive news they're talking about?

[placid citrus]

where’s this from

[short laurel]

Hybe website

[heady gate]

ask juan

[hoary frost]

Jhan gatekeeping

[lament delta]

any good news

[hoary frost]

The one Juan is gatekeeping

[lament delta]

whats it abt

[steel depot]

ig there's something good to look forward

[red thorn]

The conflict with Min Hee-jin is the quagmire that Hive is in. However, this issue alone cannot explain all of Hive’s problems. As an entertainment company, Hive has grown to an unprecedented scale, but does it have the organizational culture and system to match? How free are the labels and each level of organizations that stretch out like octopuses from the stubbornness, desires, and impulses of the individual chairman? The responsibility to answer these questions lies not with Min Hee-jin, but with Hive and, above all, with Bang Si-hyuk himself.
https://www.mediaus.co.kr/news/articleView.html?idxno=311107
This journalist doesn't golf

[jolly junco]

*x https://x.com/LilTOKKI5/status/1871117299337625892

[harsh dove]

@LilTOKKI5 <t:1734944102:d>

[jolly junco]

HYBE is too greedy

[tawdry vessel]

bro was probably dreaming about the good news

like what's stopping him

[hoary frost]

Gatekeeping

[steel depot]

im sure it's something real...

[stable escarp]

Just a chill tokki but Juan got me in a strangle

[gentle badger]

[harsh dove]

@Aureli__24 <t:1734990890:d>

"fuck NewJeans ... I'm just kidding ... Blackpink better ... NewJeans is like an underage version of ... nevermind"

He sure does love talking about NewJeans members being underage.

[tawdry vessel]

defend @finite monolith @eager hamlet @marble cape

[marble cape]

dont @ me

[eager hamlet]

why bro actin like i was defending that typa behavior 🤣

[tawdry vessel]

oh okay got it

[waxen musk]

Damn it's like everything I see of clips of him from earlier in this year he's like a different person to how I've perceived him now. Super weird.

Like I dunno if I should judge him based on how he is now since people can change but these clips are only from the first half of this year right? It's not that long ago.

Dunno what people are supposed to do with this info though. Do we expect the girls to see the clips and then distance themselves from him trying to contact them again? It's a strange situation.

Btw I've been off Twitter most of today and it helps so much. Seriously it's been ridiculously negative for a few days now and not making me happy. But I did just see now there's multiple things going on yet again including Jason stuff. MASSIVE SIGH

[stable escarp]

He js posted another response to 'tokki hate'

[waxen musk]

My Twitter is always crap for finding out what actually happened and only seeing people half talk about something that just happened without me actually being able to find the thing people are talking about for a while. I always have this problem.

Like even being like 45 minutes late to something I'm trying to piece together what the hell happened. Twitter moves WAY too fast.

[mental lynx]

What did he say?

[hushed whale]

*x -c https://x.com/cato_o_o/status/1871342739180466362?s=46

[harsh dove]

@cato_o_o <t:1734997851:d>

On Christmas day at 8am, members will be on CBS Kim Hyun Jung’s News Show (Radio and Youtube live)

CBS Kim Hyun Jung’s show broke the HYBE PR guy’s media play audio recording with the reporter whistle blower interview.

[hoary frost]

lol tbh i support jason i watch his streams and tbh some ppl are dragging it he streams for almost half a day and he only talk abt them when something comes up or ppl bring it up to him ppl be saying he leechin but majority of his content are not newjeans related its just unfortunate that clip pages like yoxic spams his clips with jeanz cuz it gets engagements

[stable escarp]

~tt https://vt.tiktok.com/ZS6jjD6x9/

[narrow seal]

241223 jasontheween TikTok Update
https://www.tiktok.com/@jasontheween/video/7451737105346333998
Jason On Tokki Hate #jasontheween #twitch #clips #foryou #faze #newjeans #tokki

[jolly junco]

https://x.com/modanisland/status/1871304898790211915?s=46&t=Rf0MFOpPEsPDO_zBu2aZ7A

LMAO this thing still on going? I thought we were finished with this jason thing

Yaya ౨ৎ (@Modanisland) on X

"The app is phoning, it's a phone. It's quite literally to go on a FaceTime with them" - Jason fan 🤦🏽‍♀️

Twitter · Dec 23, 2024, 9:20 PM

[mental lynx]

Thanks

[waxen musk]

That's interesting. Without knowing what topics are going to be discussed we don't know if it's serious or light hearted, but them bringing up the whistle blowing situation from earlier makes everybody think it's something serious when we have no idea.

[jolly junco]

That radio show, are they going as individual independent artists or as Newjeans?

[waxen musk]

Jason stuff needs to end. All I say is that I thought he seemed like a fan now but everything from earlier in the year is making me quesiton if he really is. That's all there is to it for my perspective even though I've yapped too much.

[waxen musk]

If you listen to the clip the woman says "Minji, Hanni, Danielle, Haerin and Hyein" although that's all I can understand as I do not speak Korean.

[jolly junco]

As long as you didnt hear “newjeans”

[waxen musk]

No "NewJeans", correct.

Korea doesn't treat the 25th as any special day right? Just another work day? I just didn't know if it was some nice Christmas message or something light like that or not that could be possible. I mean they're performing later that day too so they could just be promoting that. I don't know what to expect ultimately.

[jolly junco]

i say that korean celebrate christmas the most out of any asian country did. But maybe not as much as the american

[bronze jetty]

philippines loves christmas

once september hits, they already start counting the days until christmas 😂

[tawdry vessel]

100% lmao

[jolly junco]

I can see that you are quite new to this korean celebrity thing. Every famous and trending artist are going to be super busy during christmas and newyear because most broadcast station wants them to appear on their channel

[waxen musk]

In #newjeans-chat it says "08:00-09:00". Surely they aren't speaking for a whole hour? Who knows.

[marble cape]

both sides should move on from each other he can support the girls if he wants to, theres also nothing wrong with supporting both but kpop stans will make it a big deal that u do, nothings gonna change what he did in the past.

[waxen musk]

Oh yeah I have no clue.

[jolly junco]

The only time the famous and trending artist can have a day off/holiday is during chuseok. Other than that they must be having a lot of job offers

[waxen musk]

I just thought they'd be busy because of all the year end shows and award shows in general. I didn't have any more context than that.

https://x.com/TokkiLoops/status/1871347672927633548

. (@TokkiLoops) on X

This concludes Part 2 of Kim Hyun-jung's News Show.

Tomorrow, we have a special Christmas broadcast prepared for you. In Part 1, we will deliver live news updates as usual.

In Part 2, we will bring you a mini-concert featuring five young women: Minji, Hanni, Danielle, Haerin

Twitter · Dec 24, 2024, 12:10 AM

Mini-concert.

[marble cape]

im glad they aren’t mentioning them has “newjeans”

[waxen musk]

Why would they.

[hushed whale]

yeah i thought theyre going not as newjeans lol
But radio live performances are cool

[jolly junco]

I guess this was supposed to be a promotion for NJ1, because idols usually go to radio show for that

[waxen musk]

Actually would this be the first thing they have booked as a performance (mini-concert) post leaving ADOR? Everything else where they've been referred to as "NewJeans" was booked pre-29th November.

[waxen musk]

I would guess any NJ1 promotion stuff would have been booked pre-29th November. I am assuming this was booked pretty recently after they left? What do you think.

[jolly junco]

the radio hoster introduced them not as newjeans make it looks like they are booked after the 29th

and phoning not updated with their radio show might be the best proof that it is booked after 29th

[waxen musk]

Also it's not on the Phoning calendar I'd assume (although I wont check cos I deleted it)

That's pretty exciting then.

[hushed whale]

yeah weird its a news show, i dont see live performances
https://www.youtube.com/@cbsnewsshow/videos

[waxen musk]

They will be having a conversation too along with the mini-concert, but yeah seems unusual for that radio show. But that radio show has history of supporting NewJeans and MHJ.

[jolly junco]

having a mini concert in a radio show is not that unusual

i saw some idols did it back then

[waxen musk]

It's not unusual in general, just for this show, it seems.

[thorny knot]

*tt https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZP8NnLpbV/

[harsh dove]

@talytokki

[thorny knot]

Taly speaking facts, makes too much sense

[fluid folio]

If this show is scheduled after the contract stuff and they will assist as Minji, Hanni, Danielle, Haerin and Hyein, it's okay to perform their songs?, NewJeans songs you know what i mean

i dont know too much about how copyright works but maybe im spectating for some christmas covers in the show

or something like that

[jolly junco]

~t https://x.com/cato_o_o/status/1871367708090228925

[narrow seal]

241224 cato_o_o Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/cato_o_o/status/1871367708090228925
From New York Times published Blake Lively court documents in regards to TAG PR

All the paid commenters, the haters accounts (Jjinjins, Snipers) Youtube wreckers…that act with a same script..

Now we know to call what has been done to MHJ and NewJeans by HYBE.

“ASTROTURFING”

[tiny peak]

I think CBS is Korea's Christian broadcasting. Interesting choice.

[red thorn]

Point 10
Gonna ask "are you hybe?" To every sus people

[tiny peak]

yeah it's so funny how wise Koreans were to astroturfing and media play, like it's just an obvious given over there. it's good that it's getting more exposure in the US

[tardy smelt]

https://m.entertain.naver.com/article/421/0007984412
ADOR didn't know about the radio show appearance

[waxen musk]

ADOR please let them go.

There's a clip from the show of them singing Korean version of Silent Night.

[copper jetty]

Lmao... did they make a statement again??

And we also know this will trigger another associations statement that "newjeans' independent activities will undermine blah blah blah status quo"

[hoary frost]

Statements after statements wat r they even doing

[half knot]

nothing, they can't do anything

literally the only way to dispute when one party "terminates" the contract and the other says no it's not terminated is to go to court, and until then, they literally can't do anything lol

[waxen musk]

I mean I asked this the other day without getting a response but what are ADOR employees, the ones not supporting the girls, doing other than sitting on their arses and releasing statements? Literally what are their day to day activities as employees under ADOR?

[half knot]

it's a bloated company, half the staffing there is probably administrative (unironically a lot of them from HR department that current ador CEO used to run)

[waxen musk]

And also how many employees fit this description?

[half knot]

you could probably get rid of about 70% of HYBE and it wouldn't really make a difference outwardly

[waxen musk]

When do the legal battles start? I heard on the 6th January but I couldn't confirm it and am not sure what it's for. I also remember some in the middle of January.

[heady gate]

Basically, after the interview on Dec 29. NJ has to fly to Japan to attend the Japan Record Awards.

[tardy smelt]

what interview is on the 29th?

[hoary frost]

I think he was referring to the conference

[tardy smelt]

what conference?

[hoary frost]

Announcing termination

[tardy smelt]

that's November

[hoary frost]

Oh

[stiff prairie]

what does it say

nvm google translated it

[opaque torrent]

https://x.com/thegreatgaram/status/1871459271340405215

람짱 // ʀᴀᴍᴊᴊᴀɴɢ (@thegreatgaram) on X

Thanks to this obviously-not-jealous reveluv, I have a great launching point for the MHJ Debunking Advent Calendar: the Pann post that started it all!

It's still here: https://t.co/H0RF7BD3IT
English translation: https://t.co/YEnxzUAH4L (It's also the earliest post under the

Twitter · Dec 24, 2024, 7:33 AM

[stiff prairie]

why would a reveluv be jealous here?

[opaque torrent]

Because it’s a reply to my tweet asking for proofs of SM group fans’ disapproval of MHJ before NewJeans’ debut; my tweet itself is a response to someone telling tokkis to talk to shawols and meUs about MHJ’s “history”

The point is, how can it be “history” if the allegations began after NewJeans’ successful debut

And trust me, as a reveluv, we’re jealous of everyone because sm doesn’t promote RV. Usually when stans complain about this, they have a victim complex but SM really undermined RV (and F(X))

So to see an ex CD escaping SM and her rookie group shooting straight to the top, it reaffirms all of our theories about SM giving RV the short end of the stick and a lot of reveluvs are going to be toxic about it and take it out on other groups

Just the nature of stanning

[waxen musk]

Thanks for these debunking threads. Not having the context and only having to rely on what people have told me since 2023 about MHJ only to have all that slowly being debunked is I’m sure something that everyone needs to go through but I worry cannot be easily reversed. But thank you. It’s really crazy to see some aspects just being attributed to MHJ despite never coming from her mouth. After reading your threads I’ve yet to be reconvinced of the misinformation that I was initially stressed over when getting into NewJeans.

[jolly junco]

i'm a MeU, but never have i heard about disapproval for MHJ during f(x) days

idk why so many people came out all of a sudden and start blamming her for everything

[opaque torrent]

there are always going to be people who are so dogmatic in their beliefs and married to their prejudices so i have realistic expectations about not converting them. but there are a lot of ppl who care about the truth rather than about being right and are on the fence but havent had the time to research/verify on their own yet... i make these threads for them

a lot of tokkis fall in the latter category too

[waxen musk]

Thanks. Yeah do it for the Tokkis, not the antis. Not everyone was there before and during debut.

[neon igloo]

To be honest, I still find it a bit strange to draw inspiration from films like these. But as a mature and reasonable person, I understand that art and cinematic interests are subjective matters. Everyone can like something different, and this is especially true when it comes to art.

The same painting can evoke completely different feelings in different people. Similarly, even in my favorite Harry Potter, someone might find tons of pedophilic undertones just because they want to. But for me, these films and books only bring back cool memories

[waxen musk]

That's the first I've heard even someone suggesting how people might interpret Harry Potter that way. That's weird. But you're saying MHJ was inspired by "films like these" only shows you didn't read the Twitter thread.

[stiff prairie]

Thanks for the explanation. I didn't know you were thegreatgaram herself

[stiff prairie]

I've actually heard about the Harry Potter thingy before but as satire. You know like hagrid bringing kids in his personal home at night etc. was a joke tho

[waxen musk]

Being as into Harry Potter throughout my life I'm surprised to hear this first in here.

[neon igloo]

Nooo, I read the whole thread. I don’t mean that she was inspired by this movie to form the N-team. She just likes that actress and the movie in general (as mentioned in the thread). And there’s nothing wrong with that. It’s perfectly fine that I don’t like it either, I just have different tastes in cinema.
I had the same kind of surprise with Harry Potter. I’m rewatching all the movies now, so bcs of that, my TikTok is full of strange theories about various events in Harry Potter, including pedophilia. It’s so weird. People often make up stories that the creator of the content didn’t even think about

[waxen musk]

TikTok was a mistake. And yeah I want to rewatch the Harry Potter movies, a lot of nostalgia and growing up tied to those movies but JKR is a horrible person who has made loving HP a lot more difficult than I wish it was.

But yeah was MHJ actually shown to be inspired by any of these questionable movies at all? The thread says she was not, but why did you say "I still find it a bit strange to draw inspiration from films like these" after reading the thread? I'm just confused is all.

[stiff prairie]

Movie/series theory world is actually pretty crazy. Most of them are pretty far stretched but I watch a few cause I like to see what stories other people can come up with

[waxen musk]

(OFF TOPIC) If you actually want to learn about Harry Potter issues watch a video from Shaun (channel name) on YouTube.

[neon igloo]

I’m sure that most of these people haven’t even read the books… So yeah, it’s really easy to manipulate the opinions of others who don’t bother to check the original facts, which is exactly what we’re seeing with MHJ. She’s receiving tons of criticism and accusations, but none of these critics have even taken the time to watch a single interview with her. She’s such a well-read and intelligent woman

[waxen musk]

Well at least with JKR she's specifically spoken herself about topics that I strongly disagree with so there's that at least. It's not just people talking shit about her, it her herself. MHJ never says shit I disagree with, it's only stuff I hear from other people that used to make me disagree with her.

[short laurel]

Fun or not so fun fact: many famous creatives are known to take inspiration from weird and/or distrubing stuff.

These kids hating on others would be horrified if they ever c art students doing their thing

[jolly junco]

there is a pedo argument on Harry potter? where? 😭

[neon igloo]

Yes, exactly. I might see something strange or even disgusting in it, while a talented artist might see an opportunity, approach the problem from a different angle, or understand how to express the pain that others dislike in this content.
That’s the uniqueness of every form of art: the creator presents their work in a way that allows others to see the situation differently

[neon igloo]

I blocked all such TikToks

[warm shard]

It's like that with outspoken women. I would say it was like that with JKR too, but some people here might disagree 🤷 The recent TAG PR leaks just reaffirm this. It's so easy to make people hate a woman for just about anything. Like I mentioned the other day, I saw someone say that the clothes MHJ wear are "icky" because "she's trying to make herself look younger" or something like that. All you need is a general statement supported by a few bits of information, people will do the rest of the job for you, searching for some hidden meaning and intentions

[jolly junco]

i basically grew up with Harry Potter, i'm surprised when you said people find some pedo thing from harry potter stories 😭

[hoary frost]

My mom wears clothes that makes her look younger too

[jolly junco]

because i read all harry potter books and watch all the movies

[short laurel]

These days everything has some hidden meaning for fools. Instagram especially loves to ruin childhood cartoons

[warm shard]

I would say that many women do that 😅 Wanting to get rid of wrinkles and such too but yeah

[tiny peak]

her frequent collaborators who are men dress stylish and "young" like 250, FRNK and Dolphiners, you're right it's because she's a woman

[waxen musk]

Years ago, a streamer I used to watch used to be so unaware of a lot of the innuendos and specific terms people thought of her as closeted and clueless, especially on Twitch they'd make fun of her and almost always think she was faking it to make herself into an innocent image. Over time she learnt these things and became "corrupted" and presents herself so completely opposite now but now I think that community is very strange and thinks of innocent things as weird all the time.
My point is I think there are just some communities and people out there on the internet that surround themselves with such strange people who are quick to think of very normal things as strange or put sexual meaning into things that shouldn't be sexual at all.
It's something that after stepping away from those people made me realise how abnormal those people were.

[short laurel]

Luckily it's mostly only on internet. Not much irl

[waxen musk]

Yeah almost 100%.

[neon igloo]

I really don’t know how anyone can find pedophilia in HP, but someone made a video about it.
So it’s no surprise that people invent new stories about MHJ. The key word here is invent.
If there are clear facts about BHS:

• involving corruption
• using escort services(photos with very young girls)
  But there’s nothing like that with MHJ. That’s why all they can do is speculate based on her personal IG account

[short laurel]

It's idol industry. I wouldn't be surprised if bsh is involved in all the messed up stuff we know exists in idol industry. He's a rich single corrupted dude with country protecting him after all.

[warm shard]

I think many people forget about that creative director who posted picture of himself with a woman naked and tied up... He's now working for a group with an underage girl in it 😟 That group had a couple of weird moments too like inappropriate choreography

[tiny peak]

most successful writers have been literally inspired by Lolita (the novel)

[jolly junco]

yeah but invented rumors can be mentally exhausting for the person involved, especially if the said person are not guilty of anything.... i pity her for everything that happened to her this year

[short laurel]

They always brush these off. Now they acting like buddies n fearnots are friends when fearnots were so toxic to buddies.

[waxen musk]

Luckily people still want to work with her and believe in her. Proper professionals in the industry. She's not completely damaged beyond repair and NewJeans will be fine.

[stiff prairie]

posted a picture of what? how did I not know about it

[jolly junco]

where have you been

[waxen musk]

The story out there is very much the opposite though. People make it seem like NewJeans is doomed all the time only to be proven wrong over and over again.

[neon igloo]

YEAH! I’m not sure how legal it is to visit such places (erotic salons?), but it’s easy to conclude that having the desire to tie up a girl, even if it’s her job, in that manner and then taking photos of it is definitely not a healthy interest

[short laurel]

Mhj reputation is still fine irl. Not damaged at all. It's hybe who keep shooting themselves in the foot.
Intl internet trolls not matter to mhj)

[stiff prairie]

My k-pop news is very much limited to newjeans thankfully. The more I get to know k-pop industry as a whole the more I hate it

[jolly junco]

LMAO, so just in case for your knowledge and context about it, do you want to see the picture? i can dm u

[neon igloo]

And it’s not like he just took the photo for his personal archive obviously, he shared it with someone, which is why it leaked in the Internet

[short laurel]

Still tip of the ice burg btw

[waxen musk]

Really this year showed me that online perception of NewJeans (even amongst Tokkis at the time) during the comebacks was that they really were not doing as well as they were. Now we're at the end of the year and still getting all these awards and recognition it's been amazing to see how they can still succeed with such sabotage.

[stiff prairie]

Nah I'm good lol. I watched a psychological horror movie yesterday and still disturbed by it.

[stiff prairie]

This is actually me lol

[jolly junco]

i hope that someone still alive and not get beaten by nu kim

[stiff prairie]

My perception of this year turned around after the Tokyo dome. We need more concert/tour years

[warm shard]

Yeah, I'm not sure these are exactly legal... But it's also a kind of iffy situation with these kinds of businesses. Apparently it was a part of some art project, but it makes you wonder why would you take a selfie with something like that?

[jolly junco]

art project? with a tied naked woman?

[stiff prairie]

Can you share a yt link that goes over the whole thing?

[neon igloo]

I think he shared that photo with so many people to stroke his ego that he’ll never be able to figure out who actually leaked it

[warm shard]

Yes, if you see the koreaboo article, you can see that he shared it on Instagram and some fashion designer did too

[stiff prairie]

Wait it's not an actual person?

[jolly junco]

it is, actual person

[short laurel]

There's too many shady stuff happening every year. U already read many examples discussed here in past months.

[stiff prairie]

Ok I gotchu now. She was naked as a part of an art exhibition ig and that's when he took the photo. At least it's better than what I was imagining.

[neon igloo]

But seriously, what kind of mentally healthy person would have the desire to take a photo with a tied-up naked girl who’s also positioned in a specific pose?! That’s not a healthy mindset

[stiff prairie]

That's just virgin behavior

[jolly junco]

@warm shard was it for art exhibition? i thought it was in a private place

[warm shard]

The article says it was part of an art project, because fashion designer Christian Dada shared a photo from it too

"The photos were supposedly a part of a project and were reposted by designer Christian Dada on his Instagram. "

[jolly junco]

bruh what kind of art project that put her in that position 💀

[stiff prairie]

Art people are weird lol

[neon igloo]

I find it on koreaboo link

[jolly junco]

thats a whole nother level of weird 💀

[hoary frost]

Idk if thats js his face but the way he posed and the angle is just weird

[neon igloo]

he posted this photo in his own IG LOL

[hoary frost]

Now thats weird

Like rlly weird like rlly rlly rlly weird

[jolly junco]

suicide mission fr...

[neon igloo]

It didn’t even need to be leaked, he was just posting it on his own IG account... Learning the details about this story only makes it worse

[short laurel]

He posted it with it being focused along with his selfie. He got not enough hate.
Mhj posted alot of Cool stuff around her home in her post but everyone focused on painting on the back n went beehive.

[neon igloo]

And then we can recall the Netflix documentary about LE SSERAFIM... Well, it’s such a relief that NewJeans didn’t stay in Source Music and HYBE

[jolly junco]

this is how you know someone or a groups of people are creating such narratives and spread it on the internet

kinda like TAG PR job desk now

[stiff prairie]

This happened in September? Fr why am I finding it out now? Also it says

After the initial backlash, Nu Kim had deleted the pictures from his account.

He was the one who posted it?

[hoary frost]

He posted it on his ig page

[short laurel]

It's crazy to me how lsfm sad documentary has people praising somu. Like isn't it somu who made them suffer?

[warm shard]

They didn't have any documentary on Netflix though, no? Just the YouTube ones

[jolly junco]

you never know maybe those people who are praising somu are paid accounts

[short laurel]

100%

[neon igloo]

Yeah, I’m talking about those videos, but weren’t they filmed by Netflix? I’m pretty sure I watched them on YT

[stiff prairie]

So people out here criticizing mhj for a poster from a movie made idk how many yrs ago but THIS is literally buried?

[warm shard]

No, I don't think so... One was released as a part of LSF debut to show how the group was formed (I think it had Soumou staff criticizing them for gaining weight), another one was released earlier this year and had the videos of members crying and struggling

[short laurel]

Netflix is kateyes documentary

[jolly junco]

it was a painting not even a real picture

[warm shard]

it wasn't on Netflix. Both are on YouTube. Only katseye is on Netflix, I think. I don't know about boy groups because I'm not interested in them

[short laurel]

Yea i misread so deleted it. Sorry

[neon igloo]

Got it. tysm. I was sure it was also part of Netflix. Anyway, it was really hard for me to watch those videos..

[jolly junco]

why?

[neon igloo]

It’s so hard to watch girls who are clearly unwell and barely able to stand, yet they’re still being forced onto the stage

• One of the members had a panic attack, but she was still included in work

[hoary frost]

Talking abt Katseye I was watching pop stars academy n some of the songs they had 2 dance 2 was kinda questionable

[short laurel]

Kateyes members are adults iirc so people found it acceptable.

[warm shard]

It was hard for me too, especially the documentary released this year. They were going through a really hard time and instead of offering them help they recorded their pain and released it for the people. It felt exploitative

[hoary frost]

Oh rlly

[warm shard]

I think the Korean girl is underage

[short laurel]

Ooh? That's fed up then

[neon igloo]

EXACTLY! And I don’t understand why fans just calmly watch them suffer. And why was this even filmed?? The girl in the video is clearly unwell and her staff just put a camera in her face...

[stiff prairie]

Google says yoonchae is 17

[short laurel]

Then fans processed to support hybe n somu pulling this shit

[short laurel]

https://x.com/Koreaboo/status/1871413037695213810?t=OCqn0JlFMJWlDF3tN2HdTw&s=19

Koreaboo (@Koreaboo) on X

Bang Si Hyuk’s Believes It Was His And BTS’s Efforts That Changed The Outlook On Asian Culture
https://t.co/4LsmlHbMWl

Twitter · Dec 24, 2024, 4:30 AM

Seriously he is in his own delulu 💀

[hoary frost]

-delulu

[tall dew]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/948918589602267186/1234421470826856508/FB_IMG_1714377845119.jpg?ex=6630ac15&is=662f5a95&hm=3a0f63a41baecf295cfcb6961843d8795ccd57e80f854c76f43507a217e9d504&

[waxen musk]

I'll post this here even though with all of these organisations I tend to just put blinders on for what they're saying. Ultimately I feel like I yap about stuff that matters less than this stuff and the Hanni visa issue, but with these more serious topics I tend to believe it's all talk and no action, and that there's nothing to actually worry about, and end up not yapping at all. Anyway here's this if you're interested: https://x.com/juantokki/status/1871520047820341356

1tokki (@juantokki) on X

"Special Relationship Between the Startup Group Criticizing NewJeans and HYBE"
https://t.co/7nNxflw59N
Reporter Jeon Da-hyun

HYBE as a 'Regular Member' of the Korea Startup Forum, with Bang Si-hyuk on the Board of Directors – Why Is a 'Large Corporation' There?

[Biz Korea] "The

Twitter · Dec 24, 2024, 11:35 AM

[tawdry vessel]

narcissist 🐷

[waxen musk]

I'm kinda ok with MHJ being a bit of a narcissist because I believe in her vision and want her to succeed, but I know a lot of people only see it as a similar situation to BSH. I don't know why people believe in BSH's vision when he makes it so clear he's only in it for the money and doesn't respect any of this as an art at all.

[short laurel]

I always say this Mhj is arrogant n egoistic but she has the talent n skills to be so n she's showing the world those talents n skills for over 2 decades.

That's why it's fine for her n outside the internet not many hate her.

[waxen musk]

I mean she’s proven herself and keeps proving herself so I’ll listen to anyone who is like that even if they do annoy people.

[short laurel]

Even haters prior to her hybe era respected her work.
It's only hybe n it's stans who disrespected her work.

[jolly junco]

Correction: HYBE and TAG PR bots

I dont think anyone sane will stan HYBE atp

[short laurel]

N hybe stans, not all are tag bots, many are actual humans. Army has been annoying everyone for years don't just forgive them with tag as excuse.

[warm shard]

Honestly I don't think there are that many bots. You just need to spread a certain narrative, people will believe in it and do the rest of the job for you. For example they just need that Sniper guy to make a couple of tweets and people will fill in the blanks themselves, sadly

[red thorn]

Now I see people that doubting/refuting astroturf on a person, with question "what's the point of slandering, the target alr have negative image from public"
Thee point is to burry/wreck/character assassinate, need orchestrated movements for that.

[hoary frost]

asian culture my ass. i rather bleach my southeast asian blood away if im considered as bang pd's effort

[short laurel]

He disrespected every asian with his comment.

[hoary frost]

not even armies like him 😭🙏🙏

[stable escarp]

Trying to generalise then take credit for changing an outlook of an entire continent/culture(s) is kinda crazy. Especially if you are saying its done by a producer and a kpop boy group 💀

[short laurel]

Look at full article.

[stable escarp]

Is it worth it to read it all?

[short laurel]

Who is newyork to make award for changing asia?

There are ss of ppl praising bang in the article

[jolly junco]

oh dear lord my TL is full of jason now but i cant unfollow these people... they are my sources of NJ updates

[stable escarp]

They are so ignorant its insane

[mild mist]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_complex

[jolly junco]

https://x.com/minjibear_04/status/1871553444097786065?s=46&t=Rf0MFOpPEsPDO_zBu2aZ7A

University Festival Minji (@minjibear_04) on X

As someone who grew up around brothers, Goku did a million times more for Asian culture than him or his group.

Twitter · Dec 24, 2024, 1:48 PM

LMAO 😭 true… who doesnt know goku

[vapid bronze]

@earnest belfry

[earnest belfry]

oh hi

[vapid bronze]

If you need any newjeans updates on the current situation, ask someone here 👍

[earnest belfry]

alright ty

what happen to newjean guys

[waxen musk]

Where to begin lol

What do you know and what questions do you have?

[jolly junco]

what is the latest update you know about them

we can start from there

[wind monolith]

A long long time ago far away in a galaxy…

[opaque torrent]

harry potter is a great example. it has some anti-semitic tropes--are you anti-semitic for glossing over it? the author is also a known queerbaitor and bigot--is the onus on you for not knowing her politics and still supporting her work?

but i still don't understand the concern over romeo and juliet all things. that film still won't raise any red flags with a general audience today in the 'states, lawsuit and all, let alone among a foreign audience. i made this point.

[steep torrent]

*x https://x.com/ot5tokki/status/1871532982592483388?s=46
look at the switch up lol

[harsh dove]

@ot5tokki <t:1735043209:d>

[hoary frost]

MERRY CHRISTMAS NJ UPDATE CHAT

[neon igloo]

You drew a good analogy. I’m just not a big fan of such movies, which is why I say it’s all about subjective perception.
As I mentioned earlier, people love inventing contexts that don’t exist in the original work but somehow find made-up facts to support their crazy theories

[jolly junco]

who said this LMAO

[copper jetty]

I can't believe this article though. It just wants to stroke bsh's ego. I would agree if it's only korean culture but Asian??? I don't see them promoting my culture(filipino) and they said they paved the way? Are they equating korean culture to Asian culture? Like wth?

[jolly junco]

japan's anime is even more famous than his boys

[hoary frost]

I think he takes Filipino from debuting Sophia in Katseye LOL

[copper jetty]

No... equating our whole as* culture to one person ( if that's what he's saying) isn't right, even in the Philippines, culture is also different depending on where you're from... like south Philippines like Mindanao is different in culture from someone from Luzon or Manila. Lbffr...

His ego needs to be checked... someone needs to clock BSH to reality

[hoary frost]

Its BSH we r talking abt here who knows what hes boiling up I fear he js wants immininent downfall on himself highkey

[jolly junco]

~t https://x.com/breadluvpham/status/1871762833551310993

[narrow seal]

241225 breadluvpham Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/breadluvpham/status/1871762833551310993
TEAM BUNNIES😳

"Secured about 6,000 cases. Based on this, each law firm sequentially filed complaints on several occasions, and last week, the sole complaint against a heavy user was filed, and the investigation is currently underway in progress.
Some of the first and second

[jolly junco]

Team Bunnies on the move

"In particular, the identity of the user who uploaded duplicate posts on multiple platforms has been identified."

[hoary frost]

Finally, what needs to be done is done

[red thorn]

NewLawyer

[jolly junco]

Additionally, we would like to inform you that preparations for the complaint and evidence list mentioned in the previous statement—targeting Belift Lab’s CEO Kim Taeho, Creative Director Heo Saeryeon, and Performance Director Myung Sangwoo—are expected to be completed this week and submitted to the relevant authorities before the weekend.

[copper jetty]

Dang also users who have posted in different platforms... I'm hoping Seoul lite, jjinjins and sniper are included.

I'm hoping everything will be great for us in the next year.

[jolly junco]

i dont think it was jjinjins and sniper, i guess the people they identified are in korea forums

to doxx jjinjins and sniper they would need the help of twitter HQ

[copper jetty]

But isn't jjinjins from DC gallery though? They said he was korean?

[stiff prairie]

he probably collects stray stuff from there and streamline the bs to the big audience in twt

[hoary frost]

funny how hybe stans are loud and fast abt entertainment political connections but can’t connect the dots between bsh and most of the scums in the industry

[cerulean lake]

bc it doesn’t fit their confirmation bias so they ignore it

[short laurel]

https://x.com/juantokki/status/1871769656786329871?t=7e9In4q-P0fVRgqpU0jR8w&s=19
Full translation

1tokki (@juantokki) on X

English Translation:

Hello, this is Team Bunnies.

Despite various incidents that occurred, we judged that it was not appropriate to issue a statement in the midst of a chaotic situation, which delayed interim updates. We are now providing an update on the progress related to

Twitter · Dec 25, 2024, 4:07 AM

[stiff prairie]

*x -c https://x.com/Phamkuromi/status/1871550433225011572

[harsh dove]

@Phamkuromi <t:1735047369:d>

Its obviously common for artists to terminate contracts due to breaches, and HYBE itself also did the same way, unilaterally ended agreement with Min Heejin earlier and kick her out, but only NewJeans is being accused of undermining the industry.

The double standard. 😒😒

[stiff prairie]

https://www.bizhankook.com/bk/article/28816

*x -c https://x.com/Phamkuromi/status/1871551098357788899

[harsh dove]

@Phamkuromi <t:1735047528:d>

Board members of KOSPO claimed they were unaware of the statement’s release or how it was drafted. It seems like HYBE released it themselves

👁️👄👁️

[flint stone]

what statement are they talking about?

[stiff prairie]

KOSPO gave a statement a couple of days ago. the one which was kinda vague w the wording.

[stiff prairie]

#1231839760759263232 message

[jolly junco]

you mean KOSPO gave out that statement in their dream? what a load of bs

or they are having a dementia

[hoary frost]

these associations don’t realize that making statements like this is just exposing themselves as corrupt to the general public

[stiff prairie]

I'm guessing that's the reason that some board members of kospo straight up denied having anything to do with it

[short laurel]

I just realised. JeanZ genZ

[stiff prairie]

Haerin behavior

[short laurel]

😭

[tidal mirage]

Chat, can I get a summary of everything I missed? I know everything up until the creation of the JeanzForFree instagram account.

[stiff prairie]

should do: unfollow everything and follow jeanzforfree only
should know: depends really on how much you wanna know. hybe/ador does some occasional media play, releases statements saying they're still under contract, gets all sorts of management associations to tell them to go back to hybe, the girls keep on posting pics with funny filters, attends the schedule confirmed before nov 29 but also attends shows without ador's knowledge like today's cbs radio show. From brands perspective almost all brands' pr ppl follow jeanzforfree, in contact w the girls first before ador, doesn't use newjeans just their individual names, danielle likely got brand ambassadorship from omega without ador's involvement, vogue asked mhj to be the director for january issue. that's about it

oh yeah and the tag pr's astroturfing and other nasty pr moves were exposed which is acquired by hybe and team bunnies are very close to catching some online nj hate accounts

[hoary frost]

Words 2 big for me I literally got 2 google every sentence

[stiff prairie]

straight cap

[hoary frost]

Cake juice and BREAD

[modern fog]

[stiff prairie]

[hoary frost]

Jhin go back

[modern fog]

why am i getting kicked out

ok bye.

[hoary frost]

Yeah

[stiff prairie]

Yeah

[flint stone]

https://x.com/NWJNS_244/status/1871936269263204648?t=7p3n9V7mvw4newHc9LEvlQ&s=19
https://x.com/CakeDegg/status/1871939592192197023?t=Ywt05-ydhAr4e0tJH6XsBg&s=19
Wtf

🐇244🧢 (@NWJNS_244) on X

Fake ADORが日本のダンススクールと提携してオーディションやるみたい。
まだNewJeansは所属してると言い張ってる割にNewJeansの名前は出して無い（笑）勿論🧢MHJの名前も。
そしてエントリーフォームがダサい😇

https://t.co/7H0xye6s94

Twitter · Dec 25, 2024, 3:09 PM

Cake🍀 (@CakeDegg) on X

Weren’t they repeatedly claiming in the media that nj is still with them? So why aren’t they bold enough to use their name to draw people in 🫢

Twitter · Dec 25, 2024, 3:22 PM

[split bramble]

https://viralstyle.com/dareal/limited-eh-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-18-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1#pid=35&cid=972

this is brilliant lmao

[cosmic belfry]

I wouldn't buy from there as it's not the original design. Its one of those Twitter accounts that try to dropship viral shirt designs.

[hoary frost]

isnt it one of the creator of ambush who designed this shirt

[waxen musk]

I just realised my avatar is on that shirt.

[lucid yarrow]

i guess u have to buy one now or not

[heady gate]

https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/nation/2024/12/356_389129.html

I guess it is normal to consult a shaman is South Korea

[harsh dove]

:warning: Found no Twitter/X links to embed!

[heady gate]

https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/art/2024/12/732_388886.html?utm_source=taboola

"Despite the challenges, Hanni is unlikely to be considered an undocumented immigrant at this stage. Immigration authorities may still view her as employed by Ador due to the ongoing legal dispute. Until a final ruling confirms the contract termination, her visa issued through Ador is likely to remain valid."

[split bramble]

oh damn, where can we get the original one from?

[cosmic belfry]

I don't think it's for sale but I'll keep an eye out. Any copies will have questionable quality.

[steep torrent]

just saw a tweet comparing mhj to diddy.. man these people are insane

[twin cypress]

tik tok k pop stans the worst lol and tokkis on that app fall for every false propoganda message lol

[opaque torrent]

https://x.com/thegreatgaram/status/1872141096333017124

람짱 // ʀᴀᴍᴊᴊᴀɴɢ (@thegreatgaram) on X

Debunking Min Hee Jin allegations: NCT Dream concept, NCT 127 "Fire Truck MV", Sulli, Casting of a 14-year-old???! 😱

Today's debunking features one of reddit's many ✨threads of theories✨ It's funny how these people will always force some kind of "proof" when it comes to their

Twitter · Dec 26, 2024, 4:43 AM

[stiff prairie]

I went into the reddit thread in mentioned in the tweet. what's weird for me is that all these controversies from years ago were fine back then or the time she was hired by belift or while working for ador, but suddenly they are problematic when hybe deems her as an opp. one comment says it's wierd for yeri to comment baby and heart emoji, next one shows multiple times of her posting same thing on other posts she likes but the next comments imply it's not the same as other comments, why? just because they said so. kpop reddit space is a joke filled w pseudo intellectuals saying whatever they feel like with big words just to fit their narrative. not to mention how many of these are just tag pr's bots. sadly it takes one baseless tweet or tiktok to take these over to other apps and ppl eat it up like gospels.

[red thorn]

Crazy there's still international hybe stans/army that think every kr media attacking/bullying hybe.. They don't see hybe's media control to reverse viral or blowing up issue with the favoured articles to them
And used those articles by hybe-centric twt acc and ytb channels as reference

[short laurel]

all kpopies have been like this to MHJ. majority of these stuff is started by SM groups fandom.

even seemingly decet people i've meet are like this to MHJ.

[steep torrent]

23k likes just spewing out misinfo lol. theres no helping them

[split bramble]

yes, those subreddits are tag's playground, it wouldnt surprise me if its revealed mods there are also involved in the smear

[stiff prairie]

*x -c https://twitter.com/juantokki/status/1872140431288672510

[harsh dove]

@juantokki <t:1735188036:d>

241225 Atty. Lee Hyun-gon Facebook post

Minji wearing a Min Hee-jin shirt.

People ask me why, at my age, I’m into girl groups, but isn’t it way better than going around bashing them when you’re older? There seem to be a lot of people like that.

I’ve never seen musicians with as much rock spirit and hip-hop attitude as NewJeans.

#jeanzforfree

:warning: Tweet with id 1871491281270247517 returned 404!

@phamgucci <t:1735033266:d>

Armys were celebrating the korean inceIs threatening to blacklist newjeans last week(won't happen), and today they got another karma for their fav agust dui.

[tawdry vessel]

[thorny knot]

who tf is yoongi?

[hoary frost]

They said its a member of bts

[thorny knot]

i only know jungkook and v

[tawdry vessel]

billboard korea blacklisted suga

[hoary frost]

As Jojosiwa once said

Karma’s a bitch

[tardy smelt]

https://x.com/91NaHW/status/1872187556152131811

나희원91 (@91NaHW) on X

@juantokki That’s it! Rock spirit! It’s not just about music—it’s a cultural symbol of challenging the status quo and daring to innovate. No matter what difficulties or challenges you face in life, you should confront them bravely, express yourself sincerely, and stay true to who you are.

Twitter · Dec 26, 2024, 7:47 AM

i fw this so much. i've been thinking for a while why i naturally rally behind newjeans. i gravitate towards underdogs. people who dare to go against the grain.

[short laurel]

suga.

[red thorn]

Attorney Jeon Hyeong-hye of GL Law Firm, Mr. B's legal representative, said, "Mr. B is scheduled to appear at the mediation date." He continued, "Considering the nature of the case and the attitude of the other party in the response, it seems difficult to reach a mediation," and predicted that it is highly likely that the case will proceed to a judgment through a trial.
However, he said, "We filed the lawsuit not because we want to be compensated in money, but because we want former President Min to admit his wrongdoing and apologize," and explained the situation, saying, "It is difficult to try to reach an agreement by adjusting the amount."
https://v.daum.net/v/20241226182800693
January 6th 2025

[hoary frost]

lol they ran wth this narrative bcuz mhj was an easy target before cuz she never really talk much so sm stans use her as scapegoats for everything that sm did bad

[hoary frost]

the issue of minji wearing the mhj shirt is funny ppl forgot that mhj is a true creative its natural for her to have fans especially in the industry they comparing him to bsh who just uses media marketing strategies and making deals on pink salons

[jolly junco]

??? what happened?

[hoary frost]

Yoongi blacklisted

[cerulean lake]

not to mention there’s already been ppl calling out bsh for plagiarism or stealing their ideas long before this drama started

but of course it didn’t get as much attention or certain fandoms don’t want to admit it 😷

bc their lovely bsh can do no wrong 🫰

[short laurel]

they keep sticking with this narrative. like WHAT mistake? mistake here is B targeting the wrong person. a shame of her a woman targeting woman in this industry. B has truely no shame.

worry i have about thi case is investivgation is being done by misitry of labor, who we know is bang's family puppet.

[red thorn]

B trust Dispatch report,
Also accused mhj that exposed her as false info
That's her view from what I see.

[cosmic belfry]

I had trouble following what exactly MHJ did here. But if she's not settling then I assume she's confident she didn't anything wrong.

[red thorn]

In mhj's view why should she apologize, in her view the dispatch report is not actual truth, also she exposed B based on facts

[cerulean lake]

screw corruption

they need to get exposed

[short laurel]

irl. no one.

[flint stone]

Because they believed media play without checking info

[short laurel]

there's no enough evident to call her one otherwise she would be in jail.

[lament delta]

Who th is Christian dada

[copper jetty]

wait wasn't the Korean president ousted from the government? What happened to the rumors that ministry of labor would change their current minister?

[short laurel]

No idea. But do you think any of that organisation ppl are any better after they let hybe be over employee death.

[copper jetty]

the thing is if they settled with the family then there's literally nothing the government can do.

[opaque torrent]

so much posturing about reporting mhj to the ministry of labor but in the end all she did was file a defamation lawsuit for an apology? lmao what a loser

and what will she do if VP Lee wins his defamation lawsuit against her?

[split bramble]

the hybe playbook

tell media you're planning this, preparing that and then do something different

[warm shard]

I remember reading about it back in September I think, that she was only going to file a defamation lawsuit

Wait. Nvm. Both the articles I found are talking about her actually reporting mhj to the ministry of employment of labor back in August

[opaque torrent]

yeah i tweeted about it https://x.com/thegreatgaram/status/1856364271892046066

람짱 // ʀᴀᴍᴊᴊᴀɴɢ (@thegreatgaram) on X

Is there misinformation within the reports of MHJ's "home seizure" revelation?

HYBE & Employee B claimed the latter sued MHJ for
1) defamation, 2) violating the Personal Info. Protection Act & 3) reported her to the Ministry of Labor but ONLY (1) defamation can be confirmed—

Twitter · Nov 12, 2024, 3:51 PM

https://x.com/thegreatgaram/status/1856369592236675183

람짱 // ʀᴀᴍᴊᴊᴀɴɢ (@thegreatgaram) on X

Look at TenAsia's sleazy reporting.

It's manipulating the public into thinking B met the legal criteria to pursue full legal recourse re: MHJ's handling of her SH case through this asset seizure, but, in the end, TA confirmed MHJ's side that only a defamation lawsuit was filed.

Twitter · Nov 12, 2024, 4:12 PM

[copper jetty]

I thought she only sued MHJ for defamation. I didn't know that she reported mhj to the ministry of employment. Does anybody know what the report is about?

[opaque torrent]

no that's precisely the point. she made it seem like she met the legal threshold to go all out and report mhj + sue her for a cover up, but all she can do is sue mhj for defamation

we saw how fast the MOL moved when team bunnies reported belift for workplace harassment against hanni; if B actually reported MHJ, we'd hear about it by now

[flint stone]

*x -c https://x.com/thegreatgaram/status/1872322570390839792?t=yFqO5hjneV_N6T57n_87OA&s=19

[harsh dove]

@thegreatgaram <t:1735231461:d>

Team Bunnies reported Belift Lab to the Ministry of Labor resulting in those HYBE cronies being summoned at the National Assembly to answer for themselves and the Internal Trend Review being made public. NewJeans' Manager A reported FRAUDOR CEO Kim Joo Young to the Ministry of Labor for work place bullying. Employee B huffed and puffed about reporting MHJ to the MOL as well, but in the end, what resulted was a frivolous defamation lawsuit to ask for an apology 🙄 https://v.daum.net/v/20241226182800693

[red thorn]

"They haven't done anything that puts them above others to get a free pass."
Bulletproof mindset
Disgusting

[half knot]

just wondering, why repost such hate filled stuff from irrelevant tiny7 accounts here though?

[tawdry vessel]

spreading the hate just like the antis wanted

🤦‍♂️

[half knot]

giving them clicks and attention is exactly what they craved. the tweet has like 50 views, it doesn't even register as anything

I can't even see who posted that here because they used the bot and then deleted their post

[cloud glen]

Brahhh why's this here

[half knot]

clearly not so proud of what they posted, plenty of antis in this server anyway.

[red thorn]

Must be using command that only display the link
But yeah I was wondering why too

[wind monolith]

mods can prbly see who posted it

[modern fog]

why

what happened

[wind monolith]

this

[modern fog]

hold on

explain @grim hatch

[grim hatch]

sorry i didnt know

[red thorn]

Nothing happened
Everyone is imagining

[tawdry vessel]

Oh it's just a misunderstanding. It's fine moo

[wind monolith]

Too late ador too late

[eager hamlet]

didnt a team of bunnies or sum do that already

[steel depot]

Do they have imaginary artists?

[hoary frost]

Yes, Team Bunnies shat on Sniper and Jjinjins

[red thorn]

Cosplay

[steel depot]

but the sniper one hasn't shut up yet

[hoary frost]

Flashbang now u gotta b banned

[eager hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/minji-minji-thinking-minji-reaction-minji-confused-minji-meme-gif-4601050264200193439

[cosmic belfry]

I mean do we have evidence of what they claim. Going after deepfakes was probably a company wide action and already sent in motion by MHJ.

[short laurel]

These same disgusting actions done by belift but odor nvr complaint to belift

[hoary frost]

seeing some tokkis event in aaa is proof that online hate don’t translate irl u can still see a lot of real ppl supports them

[heady gate]

Same as the 3.8M IG followers

[hoary frost]

Only a handful of people are mindless company stans
Literally no one in their right mind can bear to hate on the girls

[heady gate]

There are haters to every successful celebrities.

[tawdry vessel]

paid accounts and bots

[hoary frost]

and some keyboard warriors who don’t touch grass lol

[waxen musk]

I ask this in general but how often do haters find themselves in a position to show their hate in real life? Isn't it exclusively online?

[short laurel]

Offline they'd embarrassed themselves for hating on young girls

[wind monolith]

Irl someone would take care of their ass

[hoary frost]

Spread Tokki love they cant ragebait if we arent raging

[gentle badger]

Yes

[waxen musk]

5 hours down... 5 to go
(Wrong chat?)

[lucid yarrow]

so they impeach the acting SK president too when is the election so they can purge all the cronies prob not

[woven umbra]

hi, new here. pretty tapped in already but can someone give a timeline of any important court dates that are coming up?

[cosmic belfry]

The only one that has a date set is a hearing for Min Hee-jin vs. Belift Lab on January 10, 2025. Both the lawsuit and counterclaim by MHJ will be addressed.

https://www.allkpop.com/article/2024/11/former-ador-ceo-min-hee-jin-files-a-lawsuit-against-belift-lab-for-defamation-seeking-357-million-in-damages

[woven umbra]

addressed but no guarantee of a verdict, right?

[cosmic belfry]

Probably not

[woven umbra]

damn

wasn’t there a deadline for materials to be submitted before the ador contract termination lawsuit?

[cosmic belfry]

I'm not aware about the specifics for this case. I didn't hear much about this case until after the termination happened.

[pulsar wasp]

what’s the latest

[stiff prairie]

*x -c https://x.com/nnn30918/status/1872500518515532021

[harsh dove]

@nnn30918 <t:1735273887:d>

mhj basically said “if there’s no evidence why give a warning? either investigate again and find something or close the case I’m not giving a warning if there’s nothing to back it up”

It’s clear from this that the cover-up claims don’t make sense
👇

[hoary frost]

from what i gathered, in the airport where NJ deoarts along with other idols, kpop fans decided to be invasive and tries to connect with NJ closer without respecting their boundaries

sadly this also happens with other idols who depart

[hoary frost]

Hanni always tries to be optimistic and positive despite the things that happened
But today its rlly sad tht wat happened made her so overwhelmed that she could no longer control her tears

[short laurel]

I was busy so i didn't watch. What happened?

[thorny knot]

@short laurel this

[short laurel]

This happens all the time when there's not enough guards. Girls should be fine if guards did their job properly. so dw about it

[thorny knot]

Thing is this usually isn’t a issue, only reason it was is cause everyone is coming back from aaa

[short laurel]

Why no vip exit I'll nvr understand.

[magic quest]

A

[tired ingot]

I'm pretty sure it's only for athletes

[finite monolith]

i js logged in, i really don't want to drag this out but that clip was 2 years ago, and it was taken out of context, he said "i'm js kidding" right after but they cut it out. He haven't met nwjns then, haven't listened to their music too, r u saying he have to like nwjns even when he didn't even know who they are?
or r you saying that people can't change, if you don't like smth 2 years ago, you are NOT allowed to like it now? every person that you know of probly have said or done smth bad in the past , does that mean they're irredeemable?
and girl... this all started bcs someone decided to screenshot a tiktok comment that has 11 likes on some random post and end up getting thousands of likes in return. So... Whos the one unnecessarily blowing things out then? Literally no one would've cared if not for these SJW trying to "protect" nwjns by finding a few bad apples and digging up what jason said 2 years ago smh. you do you tho

[tawdry vessel]

yikes but let's just move on

[ocean arch]

Will u have a good impression on someone if they said fuck you on screen ?

[stable escarp]

[tawdry vessel]

its like lemme disrespect this group but imma say just kidding so i dont get cancelled

[opaque torrent]

https://x.com/thegreatgaram/status/1873186988201001270

람짱 // ʀᴀᴍᴊᴊᴀɴɢ (@thegreatgaram) on X

A List of Redditors/K-pop Stans' Incel Behavior Towards NewJeans

1. Sexualizing teenagers in summer fashion for a summer debut

Twitter · Dec 29, 2024, 1:59 AM

[waxen musk]

Why did I click on the link to reddit that you included at the end of that thread.

Someone compiles a list of everything they think looks bad and put it in a long list like they did in their reddit post to pad it out and make things look way worse than it actually is.

I think that reddit user probably found issues with the Attention MV based on a reaction video I've seen before where these specific points were made. I doubt I can find it but it was such an extreme and weird reaction. I really don't get how some people think this way.

It was two women iirc.

I can't find that reaction video. Nevermind.

[opaque torrent]

the takes are so galaxy brained, it just really shows reasonable people would question it. and those who take it at face value should be blocked

[waxen musk]

I remember the reaction video their reactions seemed to be of concern but them piclking it apart and finding issue with the points above in the first place just really confused me at the time because it was something that had never crossed my mind nor had I seen anybody else react the same way.

[waxen musk]

I do think people who like to yap on the internet in places like Twitter and reddit tend to write stuff after already having been influenced by the opinions of others. Like Cookie for example, it's just an impossible question to answer where people who have a certain opinion on it have probably not come to that conclusion themselves. And the people who didn't read those comments and didn't come to that conclusion by themselves are probably also more likely to not share their opinion anyway. I think it's just how the internet works and why it's so rare to find positive, uninfluenced opinions.

It was omly a week or two ago that I realised that my opinion on the English lyrics of Cookie had finally completely changed. Before I used to qualify me at least understand other people reading the lyrics a certain way but now I don't even see it and have finally begun to completely disagree.

I wish I could get my points across without writing so much lol.

[tardy smelt]

yeah, i never really bought into that. cookie doesn't have that connotation where i'm from so it never crossed my mind.
and it does my head in seeing people parrot the opinions of others rather than take initiative to fact check and form their own opinions. i also dislike some of the big tokki accounts because of this. a lot of the stuff they share they accompany with their own opinions and no source link and it annoys me. but it's just the way things are though so it's whatever.

[heady gate]

Are there any Canadian and Australian here? How do you feel about the Cookie lyrics?

[half knot]

I've asked that in the past, the responses were that it wasn't as strong an association with the word cookie as americans have BUT the song is clearly very suggestive regardless

korean companies buy songs from foreign producers all the time, and putting suggestive and sexual themes on song demos is practically lyrical lorem ipsum for western composers and producers, so companies have to do a better job of filtering that out and adapting it to their artists/groups

[marble cape]

i honestly dont find the lyrics weird

[stiff prairie]

not canadian or aussie my two cents on this is yeah i had an issue w it when i heard first. it could be because after i watched ditto 2 parts i fell in love w it and watched a lot of mv review contents about ditto and some of the reviewers mentioned the cookie issue before i even saw/listened to cookie. and not to mention i've grown up on music from the us or uk where every time food item is used as segsual metaphor. but i looked passed it after doing a little bit more research that korean people doesn't have any problem w the lyrics so maybe i shouldn't think of it more as well. but here's the funny thing, i asked my friend (she lives and dies for JK) who suggested me ditto about cookie and she heard about this being an issue for the first time lol. so i think it depends on how much food related songs you heard that indicated segsual innuendo beforehand.

[half knot]

they just have to ruin food smh

[marble cape]

i think it depends on who u ask ppl will have a problem with it

[stiff prairie]

tbh i think it was kinda a good thing that this was an issue that people talked about but not big of a deal that'd harm their success. since then they've released so many songs w/o any issues and are on top of 4th gen ggs. in fact i love how all their mvs have lores that i need to watch 10 times before to understand.

[red thorn]

My first impression of Cookie was "I wonder if they singing the verse perhaps inspired by Steven Tyler singing in 'I don't wanna miss a thing' - Aerosmith"
Didn't really know NJ that time nor their visual, it was kinda my comeback to kpop music
I thought, "cool, a nugu kpop group to gatekeep''

[stiff prairie]

i would've never made that aerosmith connection. altho i don't really remember lyrics to i don't wanna miss a thing, but i don't think it had any food innuendos in it

but thanks for reminding me of aerosmith. it's been a long time since i listened to them

[red thorn]

Not the lyrics, the way it sung
Just reminded me of how Steve Tyler singing style of that Armageddon ost
I just found it interesting

[stiff prairie]

i'm listening to it rn. besides the few lines that end in a stretch like the "cokieeeeeeeeeee" part i don't see that much resemblance lol

[opaque torrent]

if its a sexual innuendo so is the part about getting a cavity a euphemism for sti?

[red thorn]

Yeah that's stretch vocal

[opaque torrent]

as an american, the eng subs made it worse but without the subs, i wouldn't think twice. when i think of cookies, i think of girl scouts, sesame street and santa claus

[stiff prairie]

there is a confirmation bias going on here. if i'm already convinced it's segsual innuendo i will disregard other indications that tell me otherwise

[opaque torrent]

and there's a nursery rhyme element to it too, like pata cake so the default is to not have my adult dirty brain on

[stiff prairie]

when we take a look at their whole discography it seems that way tbf. all their other lyrics are about teenagey thing like love, getting hurt etc. so the chances of it being teenagers preparing cookies is higher than smth else.

[short laurel]

Idols are celebrities too.

[opaque torrent]

yeah ppl who act like there's nefarious intent are doing too much. and even if there is some validity for the english speakers, i think its inappropriate to disregard the fact that the song is mostly korean and for a korean audience

[short laurel]

Vip exit keeping exclusive for athletes but not for idols is dumb Of sk.

[stiff prairie]

i think this is where the problem was. if newjeans debuted under a less known company maybe english speaking kpop fans wouldn't even know about this song. so there's a responsibility when you debuting under hybe ppl from other countries will see and judge you regardless if it's for koreans only. ador from then on made sure none of their other songs could be misinterpreted even if ppl wanted to which is good for me.
belift recently gave their gg a song w problematic lyrics. but since not enough ppl made a big deal out of it i fear they'll do it again. that's why i said it's good that cookie was an issue enough to make ador alert but not enough to harm newjeans' success

[short laurel]

I m still of the opinion that cookie drama was forced. There are music worse songs lyrics out there by young artists which even child can tell are dirty.

Like no one I've seen, no one who thought cookie has problems on 1st listen or reading the lyrics.
Everyone i c having problems with it has problems with is cuz they heard from someone else n mhj name being there.

[opaque torrent]

its so forced. most hate on ggs are forced.

[hoary frost]

Illit Tick Tack is not talked abt enough

[stiff prairie]

that is kinda my point. there will always be people that will try to find faults and we have to make sure that they can't even if they try to force it

[opaque torrent]

ppl don't care bc illit is not a threat. in 2022, newjeans blocked blackpink on the charts and broke a ton of records and blinks is probably the most toxic kpop fandom so they got to work lol

[short laurel]

Why would it. It's fav group of hybe who controls alot Of drama.

[opaque torrent]

illit was bullied a lot when they debuted, despite being hybe's favorite. and hybe doesn't protect their gg groups bc they view hate as publicity

[short laurel]

Fair

[stiff prairie]

true lol. i heard that garam issue was only to bring attention to their group and not really about keeping her in lsfm

[short laurel]

Yea hybe leaks proved that

[opaque torrent]

but yeah since cherish wasn't ditto 2.0 and the second most toxic kpop fandom decided to align with hybe/belift, they weren't going to blow it up

[stiff prairie]

illit was bullied cause back then magnetic was huge and ppl were afraid of them.

[opaque torrent]

yes even tokkis... tokkis bullied fifty fifty bc of that 'ended nugu jeans' joke. kpop stan culture is just toxic like that.

kpop fandom would be so much more pleasant if stans privilege the music haha

[stiff prairie]

i don't like how we the bunnies are the only fandom that still bring up illit in every conversation esp in twt. seems like we keep them more relevant thru hatred

[short laurel]

Majority Of kpop stans don't even listen to or care for music.

[opaque torrent]

yes so insecure

[radiant marlin]

i hate the newjeans never die spam in their comments

likkeee just vibe to the music

[stiff prairie]

ig it's like a slogan ppl use. i don't really see that much of an issue w it. i just scroll if i feel bothered

[radiant marlin]

its disrespectful to use it on an illit post though when you account the dramas between the groups

[stiff prairie]

what i thought you were talking about newjeans post lol

yeah why would sb just go there to hate wth

[radiant marlin]

people are so immature

[stiff prairie]

kpop stans do be like that. i hope bunnies do better to not become toxic like other big groups fandom

[hoary frost]

Who goes on an illit post to say Newjeans never die

[stable escarp]

Ionk what yall were talking previously and till now but as an aussie, hearing cookie for the first time, i thought nothing about any innuendos or any sexual connotations it could have had. Rather i thought how it was different from other kpop music from the combination of lyrics, mv, choreo, melody and instrumental. The lyrics themselves always have a deeper meaning and i gave it the benefit of the doubt that it was something culturally/artistically related cos i mean who in their right mind would allow minors to sing about sexual activities. Turns out it was based off of CDs and that was cultural to koreans so ye. But if you wanted a true aussie mindset we would js laugh and make jokes about the lyrics to another mate because at the end of the day its not that deep.

[stiff prairie]

is the CD making theory official lore? i heard that ador released a statement for that but i didn't bother that much to read it. could be the reason mv had cds flying around turning into cookies

[wind monolith]

as a canadian i thought it was just a normal song about cookies and baking

i only saw the other stuff on tiktok afterwards

[stable escarp]

I mean i would assume that was the intent behind it. Especially so, if Koreans said that the CDs as cookies were their original thoughts as well. And i would rather trust them who actually understand the lyrics and share the same culture as mhj than some random international listeners thoughts

[short laurel]

Cookie sexualisation was forced. even after learning about it, it feels forced. It doesn't make sense to me no matter how much people try to convince me.
Infact i think it was one of the dumbest drama by haters n Tokkies took part in it instead of ignoring it.

[stable escarp]

Nah nothing can top the ETA drama. That was the biggest de-evolution humankind has had to face

[stiff prairie]

eta had a drama too?

[lament delta]

abt the 3 spanish names on the teaser used for eta

supposedly connected to a "Terrorist" organisation in spain

[stiff prairie]

i never saw the teaser but holy reach. antis made a big deal out of how sweet car thingy too. ig haters will find issue w everything and try to make a big deal out of normal things

like what is there to gain for a kpop group by mentioning terrorist org in spain or some unfortunate accident in the US

[stable escarp]

Whats worse is that the conspiracy theory got so outta hand, ador had to make a statement telling the stupid haters to wait and watch the goddamn MV 😭

[short laurel]

everyone should know what's going on in west. meanwhile west doesn't care what's going on in rest of the world. that's what we live under.

[harsh dove]

@tubatu_iq <t:1735458813:d>

Losing morals over kpop once again, hundreds of families are grieving and they prefer to worry about a kpop group

[short laurel]

Yea stans acted like that in past incidents too. Ull c alot more stans like that even within Tokkies.

[copper jetty]

I do hope that we don't normalize this in our fandom though if we do have them.

[short laurel]

Unfortunately... It's too late for any kpop Fandom, even Tokkies.

[warm shard]

It's missing sexualizing space buns 😅

[tawdry vessel]

nj might get dragged performing on new year's eve in japan given the plane incident 🤔

[sweet pebble]

whats the plane incident?

[stable escarp]

then we show them the receipts of stans wanting groups to perform regardless of the incident

[sweet pebble]

damnnn i js saw it on tt

[waxen musk]

NewJeans aren't the only Korean group set to perform in Japan over the next few days right?

[tawdry vessel]

that's not the right solution

[tawdry vessel]

only one

[stable escarp]

ignoring them is another

[heady gate]

NJ is the only k-pop artist on the 24/25 Countdown

[tawdry vessel]

what fraudor gonna do

[heady gate]

There are a few K-pop artists are attending the 66th Shining! Japan Record Awards today.

[tawdry vessel]

ohh

[waxen musk]

I was assuming there's a lot of different events outside of Korea that Korean artists are performing at but I'm not that familiar with all of them.

Anyway don't worry about it. I don't know if you heard about them getting "dragged" from other places or it's your own thought but don't worry.

[stiff prairie]

these groups will perform as well right? if other hybe groups perform nj will probably be safe as well

[stiff prairie]

i think they meant it as they'll get dragged when they will perform later. "insensitive to korea" and all that. but ig if some other groups also perform in japan due to obligations beforehand it should be fine

[short laurel]

they'll still try to drag nj. they did this from that Olympics event, even though it was public event with many other groups, they specifically targeted NJ and changed public to private to attach girls with yoon.

[unborn jewel]

Fascinating that i still see people believe that the demo mhj shared is a NJ1 demo when it was revealed it was the demo that got shin wooseok on board
My theory is that its a demo to OMG

[hushed whale]

other groups will proceed as scheduled too

for japan activities

[jolly junco]

the music show in japan is organized by the japanese, they dont have the obligations to mourn whoever died in korea

[lucid yarrow]

oh wait so all those groups are there did thier label also say same thing as fraudor or they trying to make NJ look bad

[short laurel]

the only one that's gonna look bad with this annoucement is odor, not the girls

[flint stone]

Illit official and le sserafim also did

[orchid field]

as much as we should be cautious that the announcement is a set up from Hybe, not announcing anything would have been worse in hindsight

[hoary frost]

this tweet still lingering on my mind ocassionally

[stiff prairie]

if i had a penny for the amount of ppl that still believe mhj said those about the girls and not bsh i'd have enough money to buy nj ip rights

[short laurel]

MHJ is scapegoat for everything wrong in kpop for kpopies. that's what i learned this year.

[waxen musk]

I know we're in our own bubble and so focused on NewJeans and MHJ but has there ever been this much talk about someone in a similar position to MHJ? I'm still confused why people who don't like her are still so obsessed with her even one month after NewJeans' contract has ended.

[short laurel]

they need something to hate on. that's about it. and we keep giving them attention.
and like i said above, she's scapegoat for everything wrong in kpop

[polar owl]

Is there a non-Ador performance by jeanz planned? When is it?

[waxen musk]

Nothing announced.

All there's been so far is that radio show appearance which was announced the day before it happened.

[polar owl]

Thanks, anything significant in that radio show - something worth a new controversy? 😅

[waxen musk]

What? No...

Only that ADOR didn't know about it.

[short laurel]

less controversy the better. why u wishing for more.

[polar owl]

Ok.

[midnight yarrow]

Yes. YG. Except he's an actual criminal who actually groomed someone (his wife), and even he wasn't treated like a Marvel Supervillain the way people have treated MHJ this year

[short laurel]

https://x.com/juantokki/status/1873608830392963269?t=tb6um-psTEVGgwxBYVxOEg&s=19

1tokki (@juantokki) on X

Is it strange that I’m not surprised at all? The Ministry of Employment and Labor has proven to be a farce, time and again. Bang’s family influence seems deeply entrenched within the system, and the Ministry of Culture, Tourism, and Sports is no better, especially with Yoo

Twitter · Dec 30, 2024, 5:55 AM

[midnight yarrow]

For clarification, this is NOT the petition that was signed and submitted to the National Assembly. That has not been reviewed yet.

[waxen musk]

They had to get something out on Media Play Monday.

[midnight yarrow]

We already knew to expect this when they said Hanni didn't experience workplace bullying

And the National Assembly responded by proposing a bill named after Hanni. The company stans are celebrating way too early

[cerulean lake]

kinda bad for them to announce this right after the accident 😑

their government is a mess rn with them impeaching the acting president recently too

[tawdry vessel]

https://x.com/NJBUBBLEGUM/status/1873889426369372317

. (@NJBUBBLEGUM) on X

An arrest warrant has been issued for South Korean President Yoon Suk-yeol, whose duties have been suspended.
https://t.co/1dYpo5xW2I

Twitter · Dec 31, 2024, 12:30 AM

bang pd next pls

[stiff prairie]

can anyone explain it to me? i saw that after the president, newly elect acting president was impeached as well. but when will sk vote for a new president and how long would it take to reflect changes in the ministries? and whether there's any chance of issues cleared by current ministry of labor, tourism etc being brought up again after change of personnel if any

[heady gate]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/dec/14/south-korea-president-yoon-suk-yeol-impeachment-what-happens-next

[stiff prairie]

ok so someone else was elected as acting president means he was removed no?

that'd mean they're having an election within 2 months?

oh they got a new new acting president didn't know

[heady gate]

1. The Prime Minister Han Duck-soo became the Acting President (He also got impeached 3 days ago). 😅
2. The deputy prime minister became New-new acting president is Choi Sang-mok. There is no election announcement yet.

[stiff prairie]

what's up w all these actors like just hold an election and appoint a new president bruh

[heady gate]

FYI, both prime minsters are appointed by Yoon.

[stiff prairie]

ffs when's the usual election year in sk

[jolly junco]

wth........

[cerulean lake]

is there a chance of of the new new acting president being impeached

if he’s elected 🤔

[hoary frost]

Juan is up to smth again

[lucid yarrow]

they know they will lose all thier seat(or not) if an election occurs so they want keep it going as long as they can or their party loses thier power and get swept

[grizzled summit]

why are people comparing mhj to d!ddy 💀 thats so disgusting atp hybe stans are the ones really disgusting

tag pr aka HYBE paying everyone to downplay and ruin the girls once again

[stiff prairie]

it's just a way for them to bring newjeans down. they care jack shit about diddy victims

[grizzled summit]

yuh fr

[stiff prairie]

but for what it's worth mhj is well liked in kr, everyone she works with have good relationship w her, and those haters are just a bubble. but sadly ppl that are not directly keeping up w everything might see one or two twts and take it for it's word and be influenced that way. that's the tag pr way sadly

[stiff prairie]

i've had it w 1tokki's teasers. i'd rather be cautiously pessimistic until smth solid comes out

[hoary frost]

tbh i only follow 1tokki for translations sometimes their personal opinions are too much or too entitled for me still respect for their support to jeanz tho

[tardy smelt]

real

he was a good source in the beginning but it's a bit much now

[hoary frost]

still a good source tho its just sometimes they just into deep

[short laurel]

unfortunately. all kpop translators including all the ones posted here are biased and have their own opinions mixed in their posts.

it's up to us readers to filter all of it. but it isn't easy.

[hoary frost]

Juan is gatekeeping literally everything Im this close to blocking him LOL

[tawdry vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/panda-funny-giant-panda-funny-animals-funny-panda-gif-5417701405267031321

[stable escarp]

Guys if and when newjeans win in court, what would happen to ADOR? Would they have to dissolve or do yall think they would go with plans for their 'Hype Boy' group or wte?

[cosmic belfry]

They prob go with the Boy Group. ADOR still has some brand value.

[stiff prairie]

iirc mhj already had a plan for ador boy group before all this started. ador might have their hands on those planning materials still and finna use mhj's creativity for free again

[stable escarp]

If a boy group does get formed i kinda hope it wont be stringed to newjeans. But knowing Hybe theyll probably just ride njs coattails anyways

[hoary frost]

Im ngl every y2k group that will be formed will forever remind me of Newjeans

[short laurel]

Companies copy big group as is all the time in kpop. We'll get alot of nj copy among nugu. There should already be some.