NJZ Updates and Discussion

[opaque torrent]

soompi and, if i am really desperate, koreaboo

[stable escarp]

people who trust unreliable/secondary sources show their level of education. its astonishing to me

[jolly junco]

they can, until ADOR decided to file injuction then they will have to stop all activities

[ashen charm]

ador injunction would drag it as long as possible

[sage pilot]

i think the most annoying thing about this is only the long wait. i’m glad the girls are free in the meantime either way, but i want HYBE to fuck off faster (at least on the legal related side) lol

[acoustic valve]

The top hits for anything kpop usually end up being reddit... which is a completely useless source anyway
Good thing international opinions are of virtually zero importance in Korea, and particularly in Korean court rooms

[tardy smelt]

i'm really wondering how the girls are planning on releasing music next year with this lawsuit and the possibility of an injunction by ADOR looming in the background

[waxen musk]

This lawsuit was inevitable. Are there any more steps between this and the lawsuit's results we should expect? I see people saying Ador could file an injunction to suspend their activities at any point, too, but wouldn't Ador do that after the court's results on the lawsuit? And isn't this lawsuit going to take a very long time? I don't fully understand.

[ashen charm]

i was told they can but its not adsived too

[acoustic valve]

A temporary injunction would come before the main lawsuit is settled, usually the only reason a court would issue one is damage mitigation but I don't think the case here is strong enough for one. A permanent injunction would come after the main lawsuit is settled.

[waxen musk]

Would such a permanent injunction coming after the main lawsuit only happen if Ador wins that lawsuit? Of course that doesn't make sense because then NewJeans would belong to Ador and they'd want their activities to continue (if there are any). If Ador loses this lawsuit then how can they then proceed with an injunction to suspend their activities if by that point the court has decided NewJeans are in fact legally free from Ador? Obviously I'm severely misunderstanding something here.

[acoustic valve]

A temporary injunction or permanent injunction would be the only way Ador can force the girls to continue honoring their contracts. The contracts are effectively nulled until Ador succeeds in getting one from the courts

[tardy smelt]

ahhh, i hate that we're in for another year of uncertainty. i don't want this situation to be a shadow in newjeans' career for so long. but it is what it is. i'm just expressing my frustration.

[acoustic valve]

The injunction would be along the lines of "You cannot continue conducting independent business activities because the contract you signed with Ador is still legal and valid". It's basically the way the legal system makes people comply with court rulings

[stiff prairie]

we need a tracker for who sued who. mhj and hybe and co probably have 10 among them, director shin filed one, team bunnies have multiple, girls directly will probably be in one or two more. very overwhelming tbh

[acoustic valve]

Of course, the inverse is that the girls are free to do whatever they wish until Ador succeeds in getting such an injunction passed in the courts

[waxen musk]

This potentiality of an injunction to stop their activities away from Ador is extremely unsettling. I can't imagine them sitting around not being able to do what they want. Their press conference gave me hope they were actually truly free to do what they want from the 29th November but now what people are saying is giving me these doubts.

[sage pilot]

we’re collecting lawsuits like PAKs

[tardy smelt]

bunnies now have to track lawsuit wins like music show wins, what have we become

[acoustic valve]

Nothing's changed though... We always knew Hybe was going to eventually sue. They haven't even announced they were pursuing a temporary injunction yet. The girls also knew all this before their announcement. It's all ok

[heady gate]

Lawsuits All Kill = LAK

[waxen musk]

So let me just reconfirm: This lawsuit can take 1-2 years? After that can come a permanent injunction? Any time from now until a result can come a temporary injunction?

[hoary frost]

i like to think of it as like a sidequests for us tokkis, before they return back to newjeans

[red thorn]

https://m.ilyo.co.kr/?ac=article_view&entry_id=483134 there's topic about related precedent case in this article but it was damages lawsuit

[waxen musk]

And a temporary injunction would be something to stop the girls being free to do what they want until the lawsuit's results are decided, again in 1-2 years? Do you realise how horrible that sounds. That's why I want to make sure I'm understanding correctly. And yeah I understand Ador hasn't announced any injunctions yet, but the fact they could spring one on us at any time with the girls being trapped for 1-2 years was not something I was considering after their press conference. I trust and believe the girls so it doesn't matter in the end but I'm just worried about this limbo period.

[sage pilot]

on a more serious note, i much prefer this state when things are uncertain, but at least the girls are far away from hybe. the most difficult time was when HYBE kicked MHJ out, so the scariest times are behind us. things will only go up from here

[stiff prairie]

temp injunction shouldn't take longer than 2-3 months. i forgot how long mhj's one took but certainly less than 3 months

[jolly junco]

i need to find some good games to distract me from all these waiting games

[waxen musk]

A decision on a temporary injunction doesn't take long. The 1-2 years I'm referring to of them being trapped after a temporary injunction succeeds, having them wait until the results of the main lawsuit, is what worries me.

[short laurel]

low chance of odor succeeding with that. NJ seem to have strong enough proof for court to side with girls instead of odor.

[stiff prairie]

oh the main one. if we lose the injunction i'll go fckn mental and stop consuming anything kpop related i think lol.

[tardy smelt]

gotta take a page out of ditto, live our lives until we're fully reunited with newjeans

[sage pilot]

~t https://x.com/njbubblegum/status/1864589943647162499?s=46

[narrow seal]

241205 NJBUBBLEGUM Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/NJBUBBLEGUM/status/1864589943647162499
Yoon Hye-yeong of Sport Today wrote blaming Hanwha for inviting MHJ to their event as lecturer but deleted it after 1 hour.

Kim Seung-yeon, chairman of Hanwha(He actually beat up the thugs who assaulted his son with a baseball bat himself.):

[waxen musk]

Everything feels like it has to go the girls' way so I need to stop worrying. It's just I wasn't even considering these possibilities so now I'm just having my eyes open a bit to a horrible future. Anyway it won't happen. Right...?

[sage pilot]

MHJ yap session tomorrow. i’m sure she will tell us about NJ. i’m excited

[tired ingot]

what I miss?

[short laurel]

who is this yoon now ?

[mental lynx]

all I can say is NewJeans never dies

[sage pilot]

don’t worry because things like this are out of our control. our only duty now as fans is to continue to support the girls. even if things go bad, NJ still have a competent legal team. they also have support of their families and their team, so it’s gonna be okay. NJ will persevere

[waxen musk]

Yep. Nothing has changed my faith in them.

It's just my naïve failure to understand how things could go wrong that didn't change until today.

[acoustic valve]

Temporary injunction is unlikely precisely because it is so damaging to the girls. The court is unlikely to grant one even if Hybe tried to pursue one because it's all about damage mitigation and the girls continuing to work their own individual contracts doesn't cause Hybe any permanent damage that could justify one. At most it causes some potential revenue loss but that can all be settled with the main lawsuit.

If I was you, I wouldn't put much thought into a temporary injunction. Also remember, all rulings in the court can and will be appealed/challenged. It's going to be a marathon...

[sage pilot]

also we all should focus on getting money to buy all the upcoming albums and tour tickets

[waxen musk]

Thanks for explaining everything to me.

[short laurel]

do you know BBC is still pursing loona members in court.

[sage pilot]

wait really? 😭

[short laurel]

they have appealed multiple times

[sage pilot]

i’m surprised BBC still exists

[short laurel]

BBC ceo is son of the parent company founder who are arms dealer in korea. it's very similar to BSH

[sage pilot]

~t https://x.com/deobimom/status/1864548012045029668?s=46

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241205 deobimom Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/deobimom/status/1864548012045029668
One Hundred has made a statement these are some points from it

• the statement made by IST saying that they provided The Boyz with free trademark usage rights is NOT TRUE

• they said if IST did that, one hundred would've respected that

• the proposal sent by IST had three

[short laurel]

werid. i looked it up just incase but it says company been defuct since 2022 but i remember appeal lawsuit end of last year

[sage pilot]

also if someone is interested, it’s not all over for the boyz and their IP. for context, their ex-agency IST mediaplayed that they will be giving the IP rights for free, but it’s not true. it’s still a good case example for how things can go

[short laurel]

so IST just want to appear as one in power.

[sage pilot]

yeah and i’m sure HYBE will be making similar moves. media play how good they’re while in private propose toxic conditions and things like that

[cerulean lake]

they can file injunction even if the court deems termination valid?

[unborn jewel]

damn its happening

[neon igloo]

Yes, they can file a lawsuit even if the court deems the termination lawful. In that case, they would have to prove in court why it isn’t lawful. However, the girls would still be able to continue their activities in the meantime

But if NewJeans had filed a lawsuit to terminate their contracts first, ADOR could have legally suspended their activities through the court

[cerulean lake]

Ohh okok that makes more sense. Wow i’m really realizing how important this court case is then

different case but makes me sad recently how The Boyz couldn’t keep their IP rights

[neon igloo]

anyway, NewJeans or NewJeanz.. it's doesn't matter. We love our girls

[jolly junco]

Even if they are going with NewRoad NewBag NewPlate i will still love them

[warm hedge]

How could ADOR suspend their activities? Regardless of who wins the main case, suspending NJ activities would just result in more damages so I don’t think that’s realistic

[neon igloo]

This is done to harm the artist when they sue their company. There have been several cases before, so it’s a proven strategy for ADOR.
But for now, it’s not an option for fraudor. I mean, they can’t demand that

[warm hedge]

Yeah agree, I don’t think they can do that in this case

[zinc peak]

Can NewJeans can sign with another label?

[thorny knot]

*x -c https://x.com/PopBase/status/1864532242208301189

[harsh dove]

@PopBase <t:1733374102:d>

ADOR announces that they have filed a lawsuit with the Seoul Central District Court to legally confirm the validity of NewJeans’ exclusive contract.

[frozen bronze]

maybe eventually

[thorny knot]

So you’re telling me after the dispatch stuff this is their first move, yeah not surprised tbh

[bronze jetty]

not at this moment

[split bramble]

so hybe/ador knows they breached the contract hence going with the 'think about the damage and repurcussion on the industry' play?

[frozen bronze]

they obviously want to contest their contract termination, so they are asking the court if newjeans was allowed to terminate in this case, based on their contract

basically asking if their contract is still valid

[shut kelp]

since they terminated their contracts are they still using hybes dance rooms etc?

[warm shard]

I hope the court doesn't take it too seriously lol because ultimately a contract should be more important

[rain spade]

fraudor doesn't know their contract well, nj schedule well ....

[waxen musk]

The last time I'm aware of them using the dance practice room is last Wednesday. The day after was their press conference. The day after that was their contract termination and they had already made their way to Japan.

[jolly junco]

if you take into account how they cant even use phoning now, how can they walk into that building?

[rain spade]

Technically they still can since sdor claim contract still valid

[waxen musk]

Well lets not think about physical resources and think about personnel. NewJeans are still "using" the Ador staff (they haven't left yet I assume) such as managers and everyone else that helped them return from Japan at the airport. I don't know if I'm complicating things.

I'm also just thinking random things like if MHJ produced the KGMA performance even after being kicked as CEO, and if the girls say they're free right now, what is stopping them from asking MHJ to produce their GDA performance for example?

As long as they complete their obligations technically, surely they can do what they want? I'm sure Ador doesn't see things this way though.

I assume award show contracts would just be for their appearance and a set amount of time for a performance. With NJ in control of themselves, would it theoretically be possible for them to perform anything they want without the guidance or control of Ador?

Sorry lol I'm just really thinking outside the box about such a tiny thing that doesn't matter at all. I'm bored.

[jolly junco]

AFAIK when you offer an artist a gig you also included which song to perform in the contract, they cant change that but its up to them how they want to perform it for the allocated time they got

[waxen musk]

It's also interesting how they're still being introduced as NewJeans but not introducing themselves as NewJeans.

[acoustic valve]

That's the gray area; the contracts already signed were for NewJeans so no reason they can't be promoted as NewJeans, but the girls themselves have decided their contract with Ador is no longer valid so they're no longer using NewJeans personally so as not to incur any copyright issues themselves.

If Hybe/Ador wants to kick up a stink about copyright they will have to sue the third-party contractors which they obviously won't... but if they do they will lose, in more ways than one

Technically, the party with the strongest case to kick up a stink are the contractors... but they're seemingly happy as long as the girls continue to complete their already signed commitments even if they don't directly use the NewJeans name themselves

[short laurel]

that KMA and now ador talking about girls "ruining" the industry. didn't some hater accounts made those similar comments after NJ presscon? knowing hybe that's sus.

[sage pilot]

~t https://x.com/changgyu02/status/1864659374284632414?s=46

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241205 changgyu02 Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/changgyu02/status/1864659374284632414
OFFICIAL STATEMENT RELEASED THAT THE BOYZ WILL KEEP THEIR TRADEMARK RIGHTS 😭😭😭

“Both companies negotiated with the focus and mind that decisions made for the artists are most important, and as a result The Boyz will be able to continue their activities with their name”

[sage pilot]

Again, to anyone who care, The Boyz has obtained the rights to their IP. I hope we will receive the same positive news in the future

[mild mist]

Think of it like this - at the moment they are freelancers hired by ADOR for each of the events left in their schedule
So ADOR will provide the materials for these performances, including staff

[warm shard]

someone on AJ raised an interesting point, I'm not sure if this was brought up here before. what do you guys think?

[short laurel]

good point. hope court care about this. and all 5 were signed when they are underage.

[sage pilot]

especially considering how nasty they have been to hyein... started all this mess right after her bday, mediaplayed against her MULTIPLE times... hybe you will burn

[harsh dove]

:warning: Tweet with id 1864592864598217205 does not contain any media!

[steep torrent]

twt tokkis are in shambles man

there was like a 5 hour space held yesterday and now another today lol

[waxen musk]

I feel like every time I try to learn what's happening, first of all it's kind of hard to understand and most importantly of all it involves so few people that they're making it so public and making it seem like it involves the whole community is crazy.

It's fighting between like a few dozen people at most. It doesn't involve the majority of us. I wish I could ignore it but it keeps popping up and I'm too curious to ignore it completely. But tha'ts what we need to do, ignore it.

I only care about NewJeans. All of this shit is so pointless.

I do feel like the only way it affects NewJeans is a lack of organisation and a lack of getting anything done. It's kind of unfair to compare everything to what Team Bunnies have done but it's hard not to.

[celest turret]

NewJeans (뉴진스) Boost Count

Current Boosts : 359
Server Boost Level : 3
All-time Server Boosts : 2442
_ _ (After Bot is added to server)

Current Boosters : 278
All-time Boosters : 1578

[red thorn]

What's happening? People too emotionally invested?
Easy target to aggro bait

[waxen musk]

(What's this booster thing? I've never seen this before.)

[steep torrent]

I think its mainly they are calling out homophobia and other behavior from 2 certain big accounts and how whenever they bring up that fact people are just brushing it off like its not serious and just saying "stop fighting"

[steep torrent]

those 2 accounts also never really apologized and when people call out their behavior to them directly they get blocked lol

[thick needle]

i was just curious so i clicked randomly. sorry.

[split bramble]

who are the 2 bozos?

[steep torrent]

they are probably the 2 biggest accounts translating articles and are regularly updating the nj situation (you can probably guess who)

[steep torrent]

one of them is in a ss above

[waxen musk]

See this is the problem. I'm trying to understand what's going on and you saw my conclusion above and I was still unaware of this being the case. I have no idea who you're talking about now. I don't follow enough people to get the full context.

Anyway let me know if my conclusion above #1231839760759263232 message was wrong.

[steep torrent]

yeah there's a lot of tokkis on twt who dont know either but its poppy and juan

[waxen musk]

Alright, so it does affect the whole community then. I was wrong about that. I rely on 1tokki a lot.

[split bramble]

yeah I can get behind your assessement that its a dozen randos arguing than a whole civil war

[waxen musk]

It's frustrating because I'm trying to figure out what's going on and I still had no idea. I haven't seen the shit people are accusing this huge "relied-upon" accounts have said.

[errant osprey]

this is exactly why you dont download twitter

[split bramble]

think of that account as a translator bot, nothing more nothing less

[steep torrent]

they also a lot of dumb tweets that get flooded with hate towards newjeans and they refuse to acknowledge that and block everyone who calls them out (juans recent tweet about the kr martial law for ex)

[split bramble]

the trick is to follow industry specific accounts and never visit 'for you' section

[waxen musk]

Yeah that's what I do and that's why I was so confused and lacking context.

[waxen musk]

Yeah that's the only thing I actually saw people argue against 1tokki. I thought this whole thing was just about that.

*sigh*

[errant osprey]

@waxen musk youre a smart fella what do you predict is the outcome of this

[waxen musk]

Reminds me of how reliant we were of mods here before finding out they were racist. It's a similar situation.

[steep torrent]

poppy has made comments about how newjeans "shouldnt dress to please the sapphics" one time after a show and tokkis didnt like that

[warm shard]

Me too... I am trying to find out more about this but I just see people throwing accusations

[waxen musk]

I trust NewJeans to win.

[errant osprey]

is this your brain talking or your heart

[waxen musk]

A conclusion based on following everything closely from the start. Obviously I don't know things and still have doubts which I discussed earlier today.

[errant osprey]

i see. say what happens if they lose, what do you think happens next

[neon igloo]

I think it’s better not to discuss this here, it’s not really related to the NewJeans situation
we need to focus on growing the fandom's influence rather than criticizing it

[errant osprey]

im just tryna have a convo ive seen people eat each other here

[warm shard]

Also true... isn't it one of the rules not to bring drama anyway

[waxen musk]

My understanding was this thread was for bringing any discussion about "drama" here. But let me know if I'm wrong.
Anyway I initially responded to the first message about this topic to share my understanding of how we should ignore it and how it involves so few people but as the discussion progressed I've now learnt it probably does involve the whole community because of the influence of these huge accounts people rely upon for updates. That's why I compared it to the ex-mod situation here.
But yeah I hope the people above can DM me the specifics because like I said I still don't know, but lets end the discussion here. At least I understand a little bit better now.

[waxen musk]

Sorry I am already having a different disucssion and I don't know why you focus only me for my opinions on the situation regarding the lawsuit. I don't think NewJeans is confident for no reason so I really don't entertain the idea of them losing because honestly it could become a nightmare and be really bad but I don't think it will happen anyway.

[errant osprey]

i see thanks for your input

[neon igloo]

For now, all we can do is wait for news and the resolution. It seems like NewJeans have legally terminated their contract. ADOR might try multiple times to prove otherwise, but I doubt they’ll succeed. The main issue will likely revolve around the battle for the group’s name. What we’re probably facing are tough legal battles between MHJ and HYBE, as well as Belift

[boreal laurel]

we need to see sigma super villain MHJ that the HYBE stans always claim she is

i wanna see some industry revolution fr fr

viva la NewJeans

[neon igloo]

I mean mb we shouldn’t even try to know the details of this drama. By doing so, we only fuel it further. Our fandom needs to stay strong instead

[warm shard]

This comment makes an interesting point about the corporate side of the fight and the 'danger' MHJ posed based on Hybe's claims 👍 https://www.reddit.com/r/kpop_uncensored/comments/1h20vdg/comment/m0k1i2d/ (should be the first comment in the discussion thread)

[potent lichen]

Interesting. I actually left that sub because they’re purely anti NJ and a lot of pro NJ comments would get downvoted

[jolly junco]

Curiosity killed the cat

[wheat raft]

its funny because every single opiniated big account on twitter eventually becomes the villain

only accounts like bbor or NJ loops who only post NJ content goes unscath

[wind monolith]

https://twitter.com/kchartsmaster/status/1864817963477373087
idk who these guys even r but it seems like ador strategy is to get these type of ppl to make public comments on how its bad for the industry

Kpop Charts (@kchartsmaster) on X

The Korea Entertainment Producers Association urges NewJeans to go back to ADOR:

— “The unilateral termination of NewJeans, a rapidly successful three-year old group, could set a very dangerous precedent that threatens the sustainability of the Korean pop culture and arts

Twitter · Dec 5, 2024, 11:43 PM

idk but it makes it look like ador is desperate and looking for anything but idk

[tawdry vessel]

make mistreatment be accepted, well f off fraudor

[dusk skiff]

This just shows that ador and hybe have people on their payroll to come out against anything they don't like to make themselves seem like the victims. It probably runs deep.

[sage pilot]

~t https://x.com/p4tokki/status/1864820774626107669?s=46

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241205 p4tokki Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/p4tokki/status/1864820774626107669
KEPA opposed strengthening underage work laws in the Lee Seungi Incident Prevention Act, because they thought limiting kids under 12 to 25 work hours per week would be too much of a hinderance. Nobody cares about their opinion.
https://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/2023/05/16/entertainment/kpop/kpop-Korea-Entertainment-Producers-Association-Corea-Entertainment-Management-Association/20230516164648054.html

[red thorn]

Well hybe been doing downtrending and down-value nj, so this kind of strategy to turn public opinion is not surprising
Articles from legal experts that favoured hybe, also theres even yt vid that compare them to dongdeok university controversy

[dusk skiff]

Hybe has already shown that they will leak information to the press and use their corporate influence and connections to put out bad headlines about their opposition

[sage pilot]

Can we get rid of KEMA KMF KEPA and HYBE altogether pls

[wind monolith]

realistically the courts job is to look at the contract and see if its valid to terminate these outside associations dont have a say on that

[hoary frost]

They be spammin that line lol “for the pop culture”

[vague shore]

Honestly, it’s kinda funny how all their planned media play got completely buried by the martial law news

[wind monolith]

it also seems like tampering will be adors main focus

[vague shore]

Yep, that’s been their plan all along Stalking NJ and MHJ and stirring up the davolink news since September It’s so gross how ADOR acting all 'let’s talk' now

[heady gate]

I should start a Korea Bully Entertainment Association. Only Bully entertainment organizations are allowed to join.

[faint oyster]

So we might have to wait 1-2 years ?

[waxen musk]

It's scary seeing the K-pop industry terrified of changing their ultimate control over these young idols with financials being the only thing on their mind.

[heady gate]

At least 1 year.

[waxen musk]

Just expect the girls to do what they can, hopefully putting out music, while legal battles continue on forever and ever.

Once this lawsuit ends expect another to pop up. I just hope this isn't the case and Hybe and Ador gets so embarassed by evidence in the court they will decide to stop but I know that's not how they will operate.

[jolly junco]

they will stop once their biggest act (BTS) leave the company

[waxen musk]

Anyway I feel like everything is a waste of time and need to remind myself constantly that the girls are visibly confident, have repeatedly said they want to put out music in 2025 and that they will fight for their IP. Is that basically ALL we know 100% with everything else is undecided or unknown? I just want to write down what we know 100% because I have a memory of a goldfish and a million things cloud my judgement with how everything changes day-to-day.

[jolly junco]

yes, outsider dont need to worry about these legal matters. I dont think the girls are that stupid to move without any preparation

Fans and haters and antis need contant reminders that they have their own legal team

[faint oyster]

I hope these procedures can be expedited.

[frozen bronze]

when is mhj talk?

[jolly junco]

tonight

[vague shore]

The info I’ve gathered so far

The lawsuit they filed isn't an injunction it’s just about confirming if the contract’s still valid Some people are saying it could take 3-5 years Bottom line, this lawsuit won't stop NJ from doing their thing

There's no precedent for a company filing this type of lawsuit because, by the time it's over, the contract’s pretty much done or close to it Even if they win, it won’t help them If they really wanted to stop NJ they'd need an injunction or sue for damages but honestly, that still wouldn’t stop NJ So yeah, they're just going all in on media play because that's all they've got

[frozen bronze]

what time

[waxen musk]

20:00 KST. In less than 10 hours.

[jolly junco]

around 9 pm KST iirc

she's the last act from that talkshow, maybe they put her on last because they know this woman can yap nonstop

[waxen musk]

https://x.com/kapsoo/status/1864551665426420152

김갑수 Uncle Kapsoo (@kapsoo) on X

#민희진 #MinHeeJin #뉴진스 #NewJeans 민희진 토크쇼 D-1. 내일.
다시한번 전 세계가 주목한다!
12월 6일 Friday 8 PM. 서울시 강남구 드림플러스 이벤트홀. 한화손해보험 + 폴인 주최 토크쇼 민희진 대퓨님 출연.

Twitter · Dec 5, 2024, 6:05 AM

The image shows 20:00-21:00 for MHJ specifically.

[wind monolith]

i hope she drops something big cuz she is free from hybe now

[waxen musk]

See, this is what I want to clear up and want to know 100%. Everyone says so many things with such authority. "Some people are saying it could take 3-5 years." Some people. Ok so this isn't fact. We don't know the facts. We only know precedent when there is precedent and we don't know what to expect when there isn't precedent. Anyway that's just what I wanted cleared up.

[vague shore]

That's what the lawyers are saying and it's pretty common thing in Korea The main lawsuit can drag on like this because both sides can appeal and it could go through all three court levels

[wind monolith]

we rlly dont know how long it will last i think loona lasted 6 months correct me if im wrong but TVXQ lasted three years

so it all just depends

[waxen musk]

I know. I'm listening to everything. But they are just random lawyers. They aren't NewJeans' lawyers.

Anyway I think I'm just trying to talk myself out of listening to all this noise which I know is impossible for me.

If the girls are saying be excited for 2025 because they'll put out new music, then isn't that all we need to hear?

[vague shore]

No one knows the specifics of the case, we can only speculate based on the standard process

[faint oyster]

Is there a possibility that MHJ is secretly producing NJ1?

[waxen musk]

I think she speaks to 250 and FRNK at least. And those guys are probably making beats whether they're intended for NewJeans to use or not.

[boreal laurel]

Sets a dangerous precedent for the greedy corporate establishment

Burn it all downnnnnn

Viva La NewJeansvolution

[normal marlin]

did nwjns release a statement abt the lawsuit ?

[zinc peak]

Yes

[modern fog]

*x https://x.com/CakeDegg/status/1864874527370727525 -c

[harsh dove]

@CakeDegg <t:1733455709:d>

[News] Official Statement from NewJeans

[wind monolith]

Damn thats what u call a statement

Right on point

[half knot]

not bad not bad

[modern fog]

https://m.entertain.naver.com/article/144/0001005458

[gleaming scarab]

damn even the staff are getting mistreated

[half knot]

their own staff at that, ador's own people getting harassed by ador and hybe

[wind monolith]

they prbly recorded abuse maybe voice recorder we know hanni has some voice recordings of other stuff

[tardy smelt]

og ador staff are real ones for risking their jobs to help the girls, fuck fraudor and hybe

[cosmic belfry]

I feel like this is going to be a back and forth of 'nah uh'

But this was necessary as HYBE/ADOR's strategy is to just scare off investors.

[rain spade]

release statement faster tthan ador could do kekshook

https://imgur.com/a/4S9aZkD

[stoic heron]

sana is not happy with this situation

[jolly junco]

They are mad mad

[mental lynx]

Im glad the girls are strong individuals, fricc hybe and fraudor

[rain spade]

they knowww

[jolly junco]

They know but some of the “fans” dont know and its frustrated me because they dont trust the girls

[rain spade]

like why the staff getting iinvestigated too, like what did they even do ...

https://tenor.com/view/chaeyoung-chae-twice-kpop-girl-group-gif-16423702184227508918

[jolly junco]

They are just annoyed why would anyone help those girls what a petty company

[cosmic belfry]

They want to find any dirt

[stable escarp]

probably the ones who want to leave and follow mhj and they want to find something from them ig

[jolly junco]

Anyone who assosiated with the girls will get harrassed in the future, i’m sure of it

[tardy smelt]

og ador staff probably got jumped after they returned to korea

i imagine it's been rough asf ever since they came back

[thorny knot]

yeah i feel bad they are being dragged along with this too just for doing their job

[lucid yarrow]

bullies keep on bullying hope all staff can sue them later

[stone grotto]

Who are all these Korean ent associations and who do they think they are trying to tell the girls what to do

[tardy smelt]

probably golfing with hybe to scare the girls into walking back

[waxen musk]

Fucking hell I am more than upset after reading NewJeans' statement about the continued harassment towards them and the staff who help them. And this is only happening during a time when NewJeans are being cooperative with carrying out their final obligations until January. January can't come quick, holy shit.

This is also the first time I've read multiple translations of a statement like this and see words like "stalking" and "interrogation" being used in some translations but not others.

[stone grotto]

Does this mean they have to wait until the court rules that the termination is legit before they can continue activities

And is Ador getting paid from the girls’ sponsorships and endorsements still

[waxen musk]

Did you not read their statement? They said they will continue with whatever they want to.

[jolly junco]

The girls need to hire private bodyguards for them 24/7 i’m afraid HYBE will ambushed them someday

[lucid yarrow]

lol nah they gone already odar just playing games at this point

[waxen musk]

It seems like their parents hired Jeon Wick as security during their press conference. He's with Haerin today.

[jolly junco]

No newjeans are still able to do whatever they want

[stone grotto]

But if they continue and the court ruled that it wasn’t valid, Ador can then sue them for breach right?

[waxen musk]

Correct. The courts will determine that after a very long while, though. In the meantime NewJeans will do what they want. And they are confident the courts will be on their side, like they said at the end of their statement.

[jolly junco]

Because they will

[stone grotto]

Hmm, I wonder if they can continue using the newjeans name and performing the songs, because I’m sure hybe will do something about it

[waxen musk]

They can't use the name. I believe they can "cover" the songs during live performances.

The will fight for the name though. They just can't use it in the meantime.

[cosmic belfry]

At some point there will be probably be some out of court settlement that will also prob deal with the IP rights.

[stone grotto]

Ahhh okay that makes a lot of sense then. I hope they set up direct deposits with all their endorsements so hybe can’t get a piece of it

[jolly junco]

The girls on stage: “hello everyone, we will cover a song by Newjeans today, please enjoy”

[waxen musk]

Was the statement the first time they addressed themselves as "Minji, Hanni, Danielle, Haerin and Hyein"?

[jolly junco]

Yes

[stone grotto]

I think they said it in their press conference

[waxen musk]

I almost wonder if they won't bother with a new temporary group name and just say their names.

[cosmic belfry]

Well they did that in the statement after the press conference.

[jolly junco]

Its their first official statement since Nov 29th

[waxen musk]

They said "we are NewJeans" during the press conference.

[jolly junco]

During the presscon they are still newjeans, so they introduced themselves as newjeans to reporter

[stone grotto]

Ah that’s right, it terminated at midnight

[jolly junco]

I honestly dont care about their name

They can be NewClown for all i care as long as its the 5 of them

[stone grotto]

I wonder if they’ll put out new music during this whole ordeal, maybe free music because I don’t think they can sign with another label right now. Unless they create their own

They do have their own studio if I recall correctly

[waxen musk]

diorhomie you really need to fully read the statement and watch their press conference. They said they will release music in 2025. They've said this multiple times.

[tardy smelt]

i'm also curious how they'll go about releasing new music in 2025, we wait and see

[waxen musk]

Anyway let's hope their obligations end soon and they don't have to interact with anyone who will harass them. I don't know if they can somewhat avoid that or not for their upcoming schedule.

[jolly junco]

Hyein even said that on 1 of her phoning live, so yes i believe we will get something from them in 2025

[waxen musk]

Sorry for my tone dior. I'm not angry at you for asking questions that are answered. I'm happy to give you answers. I'm just angry in general after reading that statement.

[stiff prairie]

Which news outlet are they using now? Tenasia?

[tardy smelt]

i think interactions wise, they're fine. it's just media that's being a problem right now. i doubt they're still rocking up to the hybe building to practice. the staff though...

[stone grotto]

Nah don’t worry about it. I read so much drama on Twitter that it’s hard to retain info lol

Takes a lot to block handles with the little 7 in them

[waxen musk]

It clouds things. Stick with literally only their press conference and today's statement and you'll have all the important facts. Everything else is speculation.

[mental lynx]

I just gather my Information from here, it’s the only place I trust atm

[rain spade]

[stiff prairie]

r/newjeans is good too

[hoary frost]

respect to the staff members they could have easily stayed out of this and keep their life normal but they stayed and stand with the members

[stiff prairie]

think they were alr under hybe crosshair since losing the injunction. you know w everyone using the blue caps symbol of solidarity and all. pretty sure they're being spied on to either gather info on newjeans activity regarding new label and things that come w it or they want to milk out every little bit of creativity they have and use for their own

[mental lynx]

Oh I don’t have reddit

[stiff prairie]

good thing about reddit is that you can almost do anything without loggin in. i just mentioned it to diversify your information sources. it's not a must to go tbh

the megathread on r/newjeans has all relevant links since the beginning so it's a nice thing to have imo

[mental lynx]

Okay thanks

[stiff prairie]

but don't go to r/kpop or anything like that if you wanna maintain your sanity lol

[short laurel]

Kepa can shut up, they too have no jurisdiction here. N really hybe n odor digging their grave more n more, it's a very strong case if they respect no one in the company.

The fact that hybe stans knows more about nj's n mhj's schedule than tokkies is creepy.

Even after all the leaks from hybe, they are still defending them so hard.
I wish older idols would come out n support nj more openly.

[heady gate]

Maybe they have cognitive dissonance

[stiff prairie]

what's kepa? another management association/union?

[short laurel]

.

[short laurel]

.

[jolly junco]

another twin of KMF KEMA

[stiff prairie]

[fleet nebula]

it's okay, in our 5 girls we trust, in shitty reporting with misinformation we don't trust 😄 ez Ws

[heady gate]

Korea producers association, Korea management federation, Korea entertainment management association. Who is next?

[lucid yarrow]

r they trying to say they all do that and its ok to treat ur idols like shit??

[jolly junco]

they get money from the label, not from the artist
of course they are gonna side with the label

[heady gate]

The mission of all three associations is to assist organizations in the K-pop industry. That is why K-pop artists need a union.

[shy schooner]

They really trying to blacklist them if they won’t return

[zinc geyser]

Any good news for newjeans?

[waxen musk]

I wish

[mild mist]

"the union of impeached Korean presidents"

[jolly junco]

Trust them, they kept saying this so they will be back in 2025

[hoary frost]

neutral news. They released a strong statement in response to Ador's bafoonery

[zinc geyser]

Sigh

[hoary frost]

Well, perhaps hearing that they seem very confident in their statement could be framed as positive to you?

idk, we'll take any frame of it that's positive that we can

[jolly junco]

Have you read the official statement from the girls?

[zinc geyser]

Not the whole of it

Imma Check it again

[jolly junco]

Its pinned in this thread

[zinc geyser]

Ador is really trying to put them down huh

[faint oyster]

I wish hybe and BSH disappear overnight

[modern fog]

https://x.com/NJBUBBLEGUM/status/1864968471962095700

. (@NJBUBBLEGUM) on X

(241206)
[Exclusive] "ADOR Demands Laptops and Personal Phones... Holds Staff for Over 3 Hours" [Caption News]
Reporter Yeom Jeong-won
https://t.co/lMuIuwcSCM

Twitter · Dec 6, 2024, 9:41 AM

[mild mist]

Surely if it's a personal phone then there is no obligation to hand it over?

I certainly wouldn't

[waxen musk]

Are Ador dumb? What does this achieve.

[tiny peak]

wtf

is this a free country???

[cosmic belfry]

ADOR declares martial law

[faint oyster]

False imprisonment ?

[jolly junco]

inhumane company

[waxen musk]

Is this legal in Korea? I assume it is since they did it before and have done it again.

[jolly junco]

perdi can sue ADOR for infringement of privacy

[warm shard]

Just standard business practice 😇

[upbeat stream]

Surely it can't be legal to withhold employees at the workplace

[faint oyster]

Security guards used force to detain employees in the office ?

[jolly junco]

standar business practice my ass 💀 even police cant detain people without a warrant

[warm shard]

I'm just joking but you know that some will use this as an excuse

But couldn't they actually report Hybe for this? The artists might not be seen as employees but people like managers and all that, aren't they employees?

[waxen musk]

Repeat of what they did back in April btw

[jolly junco]

i'm pretty sure they can but if i'm not wrong they are still under work contract with ADOR? since they havent officialy left

and the whole world knows now how fckin' crazy HYBE employee contract looks like

they cant sue their employer even after leaving the company (for about 1-2years)

i remember some clauses are like that?

[warm shard]

😭hybe is so evil

[jolly junco]

Critics have highlighted another contentious clause in the contract. For instance, it bars resigned employees from filing lawsuits against the company for issues faced during their employment. This effectively denies them legal recourse for any harm or damages experienced while working at HYBE, further raising ethical concerns.

found it

[warm shard]

Damn this shouldn't be legal

[faint oyster]

No contract is above the law
False imprisonment is illegal in Korea

[jolly junco]

@waxen musk cmon ash get mad again, i love seeing you get mad at HYBE

[short laurel]

Clause not applicable in court. If hybe tried to force it, it'll be rejected. Invalidating the contract. I read this somewhere by korean lawyer somewhere

[short laurel]

Top company according to that government labor organisation (i forgot name) btw

[jolly junco]

Ministry of Labor

[waxen musk]

MHJ talk in 15 mins?

[waxen musk]

Buy me a ticket to Korea and I'll show you.

[neon igloo]

Any link to the livestream?

[waxen musk]

I haven't looked yet

[jolly junco]

pleaseeeeeeee MHJ drop another demo

[waxen musk]

She's gonna sing alongside the previous one this time

Tbh I'm seeing nobody talking about it. If she's the last speaker of the evening surely there would already be a link about?

[jolly junco]

its actually a paid view like wowow iirc

[waxen musk]

oh...

[jolly junco]

we are just waiting if someone can share the live stream

[waxen musk]

I think us two are the only ones anticipating it

I'm sure there will be Korean transcription soon anyway. Don't need to watch it.

[tawdry vessel]

[tawdry vessel]

mhj stans where you at

[sage pilot]

ashbash why deleting i was about to agree with you

[short laurel]

This part is a global problem. Companies weight if it's easier just pay us to end it or to go all in on crippling users.

[sage pilot]

https://x.com/CakeDegg/status/1864990130634920277

Cake🍀 (@CakeDegg) on X

🧢 is here

Twitter · Dec 6, 2024, 11:07 AM

[jolly junco]

the yapper is hereee!!

[sage pilot]

our queen yapper is here 🧢

[waxen musk]

Wow I can hear her even tho I don't have access to the stream. Weird.

[jolly junco]

maybe she'll even appear in your dream later at night

[waxen musk]

I think you got the wrong impression of me lol

Nah I'm just anticipating she must have so much to say since the last time she talked. I can't image how long it'll last.

[flint stone]

Do we have link to live and someone to live sub?

[waxen musk]

It's paid and nobody's sharing

[red thorn]

Paywall

[flint stone]

[short laurel]

It's ok, mhj earning money to fight hyb3

[jolly junco]

we will have the transcript

especially if there is any mention about HYBE/the girls

[modern fog]

voice only

[jolly junco]

@waxen musk go ash! voice only

[waxen musk]

What

[jolly junco]

they stream the sound only of MHJ talk

[waxen musk]

They've made it private at another link (500 people)

I wont be able to understand it anyway. So I'm just waiting for transcriptions.

[wheat raft]

unfortunately alot of koreans believe kpop idols get fame and all that so they dont deserve pity

source: friend's korean colleague

[jolly junco]

so if you are famous, you dont deserve basic human respect?

[wheat raft]

which explains the dark side of knetz

[waxen musk]

I think we know how people treat celebs since the beginning of time. Nothing new.

[jolly junco]

sometimes i dont know who are move evil, HYBE or kpop stans

[wheat raft]

k tokkis probably the exception

[upbeat stream]

most korean online communities are on our side

theqoo, instiz, pann, etc

[wheat raft]

yeah newjeans well loved

they are special

[neon igloo]

I can start to translate for us

[modern fog]

https://x.com/CakeDegg/status/1864996668212678895

Cake🍀 (@CakeDegg) on X

🧢 When working with others, it’s about harmonizing with their talents and utilizing them, so I try my best not to interfere too much. If I insist on doing things my own way, there’s no need to work with others. Some people need time, and in those moments, I try not to pressure

Twitter · Dec 6, 2024, 11:33 AM

[neon igloo]

After 5 min

[modern fog]

https://x.com/CakeDegg/status/1864996936761381251

Cake🍀 (@CakeDegg) on X

🧢 I’m good at seeing the big picture. I’m the type who can quickly identify turning points and key moments. While outlining the big picture, I also work on the details. I don’t like being interfered with when creating a vision, and I think that’s partly why this conflict arose

Twitter · Dec 6, 2024, 11:34 AM

[jolly junco]

If I insist on doing things my own way, there’s no need to work with others.

bruh this is so trueeeeee

[red thorn]

Within that 5 min she can talk about hundred topics

[neon igloo]

What voice links do we currently have?

[jolly junco]

https://x.com/i/spaces/1lDxLlrnRyqxm

Happening now: 익명청취자 있으면 끈다

썩은당근’s Space · 38 listening · Where live audio conversations happen

Twitter

[neon igloo]

MHJ: if it's a flop, honestly, all those words will turn into nothing. So in a way, the music video amplifies the song even more. Just watch it. Why? We hear all the demos first and know all the sources beforehand. But you guys only see what we present to you. So in a way, it's like, 'Ah, we can't do this without the imagery

Okay, it seems that this girl didn’t want to share the stream with us, as far as I understand...

[jolly junco]

lol

[sage pilot]

anti foreigners agenda

[jolly junco]

i think they are afraid that someone will translate it the wrong way, and mistranslation will spread like wild fire

imma back to collecting hearts for the girls..... and wait for the transcript

[neon igloo]

She mentioned us foreigners so many times...
MHJ was just talking about how she creates the MV and how many raw materials go through her and her team's hands before the final product. There’s nothing special about it..

[sage pilot]

she mentioned us how?

[neon igloo]

She mentioned several times that a lot of foreigners are coming, so she will turn off the stream

She didn't say anything bad about us

Okay, if someone finds the link, I'm ready to translate, but for now, it seems like foreigners won't be allowed to listen

[fluid edge]

https://twitter.com/i/spaces/1vOxwrqMNWbJB

Happening now: 익명으로 들으면 꺼버린다

썩은당근’s Space · 42 listening · Where live audio conversations happen

Twitter

[sage pilot]

https://x.com/CakeDegg/status/1865002944967725429

Cake🍀 (@CakeDegg) on X

🧢 The reason I asked you to listen to “How Sweet” before watching the MV is that usually, the music video comes out first. But have you ever had the chance to just listen to the music without any visuals? When I first heard the demo, I felt a sparkling sensation. I wanted you to

Twitter · Dec 6, 2024, 11:58 AM

[jolly junco]

the space gone again?

[neon igloo]

Yes, she doesn't want foreigners to listen

[waxen musk]

Quickly change your name to Korean or something lol

Also can't you listen anon?

[jolly junco]

LMAOOOOOOOOO

[neon igloo]

She just counted the number of anonymous listeners and turn off after 10 anon

[jolly junco]

i'm listening to Junn meeting with thai bunnies for the worldwide newjeans cafe project

[short laurel]

https://x.com/CakeDegg/status/1864974640009089057?t=oitHeITeUQv_kb7LmWFIFA&s=19

Cake🍀 (@CakeDegg) on X

[Exclusive] “ADOR demanded laptops and personal phones, locked them up for over 3 hours”

Channel A reported through a tip-off from an ADOR official that:

“There were unnecessary frequent meetings and harassment with performance directors and the members.”

“They even demanded

Twitter · Dec 6, 2024, 10:06 AM

[wheat raft]

https://x.com/peacetokki722/status/1864860594941366695?s=46&t=nArScn1nuDKKLyO-F5UGKg

peacetokki핑 (@peacetokki722) on X

Tokkis, if you ever feel uncertain or have questions, don’t hesitate to ask K Tokkis anytime.
Check out how favorable the situation is for NewJeans right now and how much support they’re receiving here.

Twitter · Dec 6, 2024, 2:33 AM

[short laurel]

According to hybe stans, it's okay for hybe to take away employees personal phones for internal audit.

Just what kinda unethical company these aunties work in that they think everything hybe does is fine.

[sage pilot]

~t https://x.com/cakedegg/status/1865008765130674406?s=46

[narrow seal]

241206 CakeDegg Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/CakeDegg/status/1865008765130674406
🧢 The current situation is very much like a religious war. People only listen to what they want to hear and believe what they want to believe, completely disregarding the facts

[short laurel]

🤣

[neon igloo]

At my job (I work at a major Russian marketplace, which is even mentioned in the world’s most popular marketplaces (by visitor traffic)), we have separate work accounts for social networks. If the employer needs access to messages, they require valid grounds and can only access the work account, not my personal. This is all done exclusively on work devices, not my personal phone.
So this case... This is a violation of confidentiality rules between the employee and the company

[waxen musk]

https://x.com/CakeDegg/status/1865007242061521059
Say that to the girls

Cake🍀 (@CakeDegg) on X

🧢 I’m not the daepyonim anymore, so you don’t need to call me that. Just call me hee jin nim
MC: Okay, daepyonim

Twitter · Dec 6, 2024, 12:15 PM

[short laurel]

There's was a reply saying "hybe defended garam, her leaving was mutual" something alone this. 💀 @opaque torrent
I can't find it anymore

[waxen musk]

WHAT

It's always surprises me what can come out of their mouths

[short laurel]

Yea it's similar in most normal countries.

[rain spade]

[short laurel]

Especially when hybe document revealed by NA shows hybe used garam for reverse viral marketing

[warm shard]

Really?

[short laurel]

Yea. There's alot of stuff. It's details on thegreatgaram account

[sage pilot]

~t https://x.com/thegreatgaram/status/1850892168317333711?s=46

[narrow seal]

241028 thegreatgaram Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/thegreatgaram/status/1850892168317333711
CONFIRMED.

Garam's controversy wasn't resolved conclusively because HYBE was anticipated they would 1) ultimately boost the group to be as popular as aespa and 2) they viewed a rivalry with IVE as favorable

(thank you @juantokki for the translation)

[warm shard]

I follow that account, must've missed it

[warm shard]

Thank you. It's interesting they mention the tennis skirt photos because that + the floor choreo didn't get half the attention cookie did even though questionable choices continue to this day...

[sage pilot]

Yeah, they were aware of the criticism and then doubled down on it with a concept and choreo for Smart

Whatever ppl’s feelings about the cookiegate are, MHJ/OG Ador took responsibility for it multiple times. And we never saw a concept like that again. Meanwhile, HYBE is aware of their faults too, and yet their gg can sing worse lyrics than cookie in their most recent release, and no one bats an eye.

[waxen musk]

Cookie will haunt all Tokkis into the bloody afterlife I swear.

[short laurel]

everyone else in kpop including hybe has done all these ut worse but only MHJ's work gets attention.

[waxen musk]

Listening to Koreans (even ones who speak English) being clueless to the Cookie situation is always funny to me. But I do agree more research should have been done to have forseen English speakers from interpreting the lyrics the way they were. Cookie had an explanation put out there on Instagram with the girls explicitely explaining how it's for the fans even before it came out, as far as I know. ARHGH

[short laurel]

and when i use this argument against anti's, their reply "2 things can be wrong" they say this but sitll never question hybe.

[short laurel]

only relevent for some parts of america. rest of english speaking world were as confused as koreans. just america is alot louder

[jolly junco]

i speak english and understand english quite well, but even i didnt see the cookie song the way international bunnies intepret it

[waxen musk]

Yeah old argument maybe lets stop repeating ourselves (sorry for contributing).

I agree. I didn't know by myself.

[short laurel]

u should've seen how west reacted to some of korean songs with words "I" in korea. they didn't even tried to understand language exists and accused artists for saying n word. illit got hate on this too. but it was thankfully alot milder compared to last time i saw it.

[neon igloo]

As a foreigner, Cookie has always been just a song about cookies to me and nothing more

[sage pilot]

The most important thing about cookie is that it’s a banger 🙂‍↕️

[waxen musk]

Wow they explained it in two different videos in both Korean AND in English, I forgot that detail. I probably haven't watched this in 1.5 years:
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CgssPukJqDD/
https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cgssla8pabi/
THEY PUT THIS EXPLAINATION OUT THE DAY BEFORE THEY RELEASED THE FUCKING SONG

[neon igloo]

Actually, before the controversy about the lyrics, I didn’t even know that this word had any other meanings

[sage pilot]

The ppl said it’s a bullshit explanation lol

[short laurel]

i hope they'll remake cookie along with rest of NJ discography

[waxen musk]

I don't think I'll be able to get used to any remakes lol.

[short laurel]

u'll be able to get sued to it dw.

[waxen musk]

Dont sue me

[short laurel]

since they will be with more skilled voice. u'll like it more

[waxen musk]

Hopefully

[warm shard]

I trust them with making good recordings because it'll be done by the same producers unlike the other recording situation...

[waxen musk]

Anyway since we can't move on (me especially lol) I will say that after people look at the lyrics (not the word Cookie itself) as being suggestive even I have a hard time not seeing it that way if I focus on the lyrics. It's a thing you can't "unlearn" if you know what I mean. Luckily I've long since stopped caring and really love the song.

[warm shard]

Didn't they stop performing the song that often? I feel like they didn't perform it that much outside of the song being part of longer setlist. At least that's the feeling I got

[hoary frost]

jfc odor/hybes BTS got worse as day passed

bts as in behind the scene btw

[waxen musk]

I think that has more to do with the choreography setup with the chairs than anything else to be honest. A reason why we might not get that many Right Now performances relative to other songs too, if they are to continue performing them.

At least with a rock version they've performed a couple of times they don't rely on choreography, which is cool.

[warm shard]

Ok, that's also true.... 2 songs involving furniture in choreo... they need that Ikea deal

[sage pilot]

You :

[hoary frost]

gotta make sure to clarify so the ⁷ dont come after me

[short laurel]

they have gona after so many people using BTS even in stuff from be4 BTS existed. lol

[sage pilot]

we’re so traumatized we have to clarify it in a NJ related space too we all got BTSD

[waxen musk]

Don't worry they'll find a way even if you don't do anything

[sage pilot]

https://n.news.naver.com/article/449/0000293221

ADOR denied today’s allegations

[waxen musk]

Oh must be all fake then. ADOR WE TRUST
oops wrong account

I can only laugh at this shit. What else is there to do.

[short laurel]

`Adore said in a statement today (the 6th), “Not long ago, an employee in charge of artist management contacted advertisers directly and urged them to sign a contract directly between the artist and the brand, excluding the company.” Yes.

He continued, “This is a serious maritime act that helps the artist violate his exclusive contract.” `

which contract odor ?

[sage pilot]

Knets are saying this response is a copy pasta of their last excuse with a stylist

Ig it’s a legal loophole

[short laurel]

it is very similar yea

[sage pilot]

~t https://x.com/emptydaniiii/status/1865026011152445601?s=46

[narrow seal]

241206 emptydaniiii Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/emptydaniiii/status/1865026011152445601
just a rumor but it looks like advertisers are trying to find legal ways to extend or start new contracts directly with newjeans instead of ador some global brands are even looking into international laws

[hoary frost]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171

[waxen musk]

Gonna be tricky. But if true, advertisers continuing to want to use the girls to promote things says everything you need to know.

[jolly junco]

LMAO something smell fishy in here

Are you sure its not to other way around Lee Juyoung? maybe the advertiser are the one who trying to contact the artist directly without ADOR and you want to spread lies first to brainwashed the public

[waxen musk]

I could forsee this being an issue and one of the only things Ador could rely on in the courts but that is literally it so far. And I say this based ONLY on what Ador has said and we don't know ANY details of this point.

[stable escarp]

this would be very weak in court no?

[waxen musk]

I dunno. If the girls were taking advertisers away from Ador it would be pretty serious. But again we don't know anything and I don't trust Ador.

[short laurel]

girls are free from ador. they can take any advertisers who are coming for them. ador was just middle man be4.

advertisers are not looking to model a company, so girls taking nothing from ador.

[waxen musk]

Yeah the only issue would be having advertisers cancel their contract with Ador and moving it to the girls. If a advertiser contract ended and then they renew with the girls that would be fine. Obviously no advertiser would renew with Ador.

Just depends on contract agreements as usual. Boring stuff.

[stable escarp]

The everyday speculation + wait for final verdict is killing me. I hope this all ends by christmas. Please santa

[waxen musk]

MHJ's lawsuits will begin in mid January. The girls' obligations end in early January. The lawsuit Ador filed against the girls will last years(?).

I mean Uruh you didn't specific Christmas of which year... so... yeah hopefully by Christmas 2025.

[lyric geyser]

Omfg I’m having a mental breakdown my blood is boiling, I just opened a TikTok comment section with explicit name calling to NJ members

And they think because Hybe sues NJ it means Hybe is right

[flint stone]

https://x.com/CakeDegg/status/1865029642857648401?s=19

Cake🍀 (@CakeDegg) on X

og ador staff delayed returning the laptop for several hours and returned it completely reset and formatted 😆oh we learned the lesson

Twitter · Dec 6, 2024, 1:44 PM

[stable escarp]

yeah hopefully...

[stable escarp]

Makes me wonder what the age range is on that app for this topic.

[lyric geyser]

The man was 31.

[waxen musk]

Age has no effect on idiocy.

[lyric geyser]

It makes me even angrier

[short laurel]

we actually don't know girls schedule made with ador until 29th nov. alot of it not public.

[waxen musk]

Yeah I just talking about what we do know. GDA on 4th Jan.
14th(?) Jan is Fortnite but that's not been officially announced (and also probably no actual need for the girls to do anything?)

[jolly junco]

LOL

W moves

[short laurel]

i think everyone does that?

[flint stone]

Now, yes, they leaned from before

[short laurel]

like. have to make sure my personal stuff on it is removed.

[short laurel]

i mean everyone around the world xD

[flint stone]

*x -c https://x.com/CakeDegg/status/1865030191703298411?t=ea1GMnFtpZsZR0xlA7EndA&s=19
Does anyone has full statement?

[harsh dove]

@CakeDegg <t:1733492822:d>

This is from ador’s statement, notice that how they and hybe stans shared the same theories: it’s company’s asset

[short laurel]

it's funny seeing anti's arguing by using hanni mhj hugging pic from dispatch. like is that supposed to be an argument ?

[waxen musk]

I thought everyone already moved on from that lol

https://x.com/cato_o_o/status/1865030743715377175
MHJ and the girls repeatedly saying that the truth will be revealed in time is why I'm being so patient.

Cato_o_o (@cato_o_o) on X

Article

Dec 6 2024

Min Hee-jin: “Living True to My Beliefs Isn’t Easy… I’m Carrying Injustice on My Shoulders”

likened her conflict with HYBE to a “religious war,” stating, “In time, people will see who is telling the truth and what the real facts are.”

Choi Soo-Jung

Link👇

Twitter · Dec 6, 2024, 1:49 PM

[short laurel]

nope. they keep using dispatch article as argument

[arctic swan]

The meaning of cookie

[narrow seal]

241126 acng_ix Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/acng_ix/status/1861469975837385210
Let’s use our brain

[waxen musk]

"Overcoming falsehoods through words feels childish and meaningless to me." - MHJ
So far it really has ONLY been words, which is insane.

[sage pilot]

When HYBE will inevitably start to lose one lawsuit after another, maybe then their stans will wake up. Not all of them, of course, but maybe some of them

[waxen musk]

I'm not so optimistic they'll change their mind nor should we really care about those people

[short laurel]

they have already lost alot in past but stans twisted the words. nothing will change.

[sage pilot]

I mean, if that’s our scenario, then twisting the truth will become harder for them for sure 🤷‍♀️ Then there could be progress

[waxen musk]

Isn't the only thing that isn't just "words" the first injunction results? We don't really have much other than "words" on both sides, unfortunately so far.

[short laurel]

also odor. this company has managed to offend everyone of their employees and partners.

[waxen musk]

Their only option for survival is to force the girls to continue to work for them but then they probably wont give them any work so I don't really get what they hell they want tbh

[faint oyster]

Is hugging illegal now?

[waxen musk]

I dont think Ador even wants the advertisers for themselves, they just want to deny them from the girls. Yet another thing that shows their true intentions.

[flint stone]

They will probably say that mhj' shaman did something to judge

[short laurel]

or transfer them to other groups

[waxen musk]

Oh true I wasnt even thinking about that. But in that case it would be Hybe=Ador situation which they are never consistent about.

They pick and choose when they are and aren't one and the same.

Off topic but did you see LSF Indeed ads? Made me laugh. Telling their fans to get a job.

[waxen musk]

same as this i think. bit easier to read in my link

second paragraph is new i think (first is just same as above)

[sage pilot]

What? They’re advertising a literal job search site? That’s so random 😭

[waxen musk]

Yep in Japan. Literally.

[jolly junco]

No wonder she is a bit calm these days compared to when this fight first broke out

[waxen musk]

Sounds like the type of thing you say after months of therapy

[short laurel]

ooh that was job ad xD

[sage pilot]

I’ve never seen any celebrity, a western or a kpop one, to advertise a job search site 😭 Maybe it’s common in Japan?

[jolly junco]

She HAS to have a therapy, otherwise i’m afraid she gonna kill herself because of the stress

[short laurel]

kpop groups do weird ads when they are not getting much big advertisements. skz shopee ad is like that n its funny

[waxen musk]

I focus so much on NewJeans I really have no idea NOR DO I NOTICE ads involving any other K-pop groups outside of like BTS and BP ones over the years in my own country

[jolly junco]

Bruh we are newjeans fans, we are not kpop fans

There is a difference

[sage pilot]

I liked MHJ’s words about this today. MHJ is the girls who’s going to be alright

As soon as MHJ and NJ will successfully comeback together, the feeling of vindication will come and they will all heal

[short laurel]

she has alot of connections in this industry. she'll be fine.

[waxen musk]

(🧐 See how fast Fraudor made a statement, investigate and threaten to take legal action when it comes to protecting their own hide? Where’s this feistiness when NewJeans was stalked by Dispatch? Where were they when HYBE and Source leaked pre-debut videos and medical information about the girls without their consent? Why weren’t they this proactive when Hanni approached them to report a bullying incident she experienced? The only time I saw them this fast was when they tried to frame Director Shin Wooseok as a bad guy.)
I've seen multiple people say this type of thing in recent days and it's so right I just had to repost it here.

Wait I just stupidly realised that BECAUSE Ador still believes NewJeans has a contract with them, that any discussions with advertisers without them are not allowed. I keep forgetting this is their perspective. Without Ador the girls can discuss what they like with whoever. However I am a bit unsure when there are current Ador staff involved with these discussions with advertisers.

INSANITY
(Sorry I never post things like this but this one is too much to believe)

[sage pilot]

A CRIME 😭😭😭😭

[lofty compass]

Nj goated hype don't want lose nj

[jolly junco]

*x https://x.com/cato_o_o/status/1865038565748482463?s=46&t=Rf0MFOpPEsPDO_zBu2aZ7A

[harsh dove]

@cato_o_o <t:1733494819:d>

[jolly junco]

IJBOL by this logic you cant even bring your personal phone to work, where is this guy live?

[short laurel]

they said personal mobile, not laptop. and it depends on company. so bs statement.

but i know some people who work in type of company where personal phone is not allowed. and these guys genuinely believe that it's normal everywhere.

[jolly junco]

If you work in NASA/CIA then yes maybe it is

[short laurel]

but ador or hybe is not a company like that.

[short laurel]

mostly security related companies

[jolly junco]

They make it seems like HYBE is equivalent to blue house or something

[sage pilot]

Meanwhile some random man literally sneaked into HYBE’s building and spent there like days 😭😭😭

[short laurel]

my point is people from company like these believe it's the same everywhere.

what? who? xD

[sage pilot]

https://www.allkpop.com/article/2024/09/man-in-his-40s-trespasses-into-hybe-hq-stays-for-3-days-undetected

Sorry for the akp link, i could find the source faster lol

[short laurel]

xD

[jolly junco]

this company is literally the joke of the year

[hoary frost]

*joke of the decade

[harsh dove]

I used to have a job at a calendar factory but I got the sack because I took a couple of days off.

[hoary frost]

https://tenor.com/view/iovedice-spongebob-gif-21070986

[short laurel]

man this incident not even related yet the top comment. 🤦‍♂️

[jolly junco]

😭 thank you miso for the intermezzo

[mild mist]

Tempted to buy an ive album now just to spite hybe

[steel depot]

goated

[runic knoll]

fuck that. it should be "Top worst workplace of 2024"

[short laurel]

a workplace where BSH can star at employees working. honestly worse MHJ design, even if she did it cuz of BSH requests.

[hoary frost]

people trying to justify taking away personal devices without a search warrant is insane?? like are we living on the same planet

some even goes as far as being illiterate and thinking the devices are owned by Ador jus cus the employees bought it with their own salary??

[short laurel]

bar in everything is really low in kpop. except for visuals i guess.

[tired cairn]

Are we sure this statement was made by them? Just a random (English!) Twitter post with 160 views doesn't feel very trustworthy

Not to say that the content is wrong

[upbeat stream]

Huh?

There's a naver link in that tweet lol

[short laurel]

There are multiple accounts who translated it.. It is newjeans statement shared in kmedia.

[heady gate]

*x https://x.com/CakeDegg/status/1864874674318119367

[harsh dove]

@CakeDegg <t:1733455744:d>

[heady gate]

This one has 491.8k views

[short laurel]

It's the same one they replied to lol

[tired cairn]

why did mobile xitter say it's 160 views then 😭

i also totally missed the naver link lmao

[sly python]

chill CEO

[gentle badger]

[short laurel]

Account edited the post a bit so twt generated a new link. It sometimes doesn't redirect to updated posts. That's probably what happened to you.

[narrow seal]

241206 newjeans_loop Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/newjeans_loop/status/1865051965065171171
GOLDEN DISC Most Popular Artist Award (Female)
https://mubeat.applink.info/MCncxH4jri

[naive hound]

Yes, do it

[slender nacelle]

ADOR and HYBE going full on bully now

wth is the point of confisticating personal devices anyway

are they tryna find out if any of the staff have ties to mhj?

what is this some sort of intelligence warfare?

"there is spies and imposters amongus" looking ass

[mental lynx]

*x https://x.com/cakedegg/status/1865256626128875934?s=46

Cake🍀 (@CakeDegg) on X

NewJeans January vogue shoot got cancelled

Twitter · Dec 7, 2024, 4:46 AM

[harsh dove]

:warning: Tweet with id 1865256626128875934 does not contain any media!

[red thorn]

Damn
Whose info source is that

[cosmic belfry]

Sounds like the Vogue photographer but handle isn't disclosed.

[jolly junco]

~t https://x.com/thegreatgaram/status/1865273554763420098

[narrow seal]

241207 thegreatgaram Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/thegreatgaram/status/1865273554763420098
Magazine cover photoshoots usually take 1-3 months in advance though... if it's for the January cover, which is usually released in December, then the photoshoot must've been scheduled anywhere between September and November. (Which is why Vogue Singapore editor fits timeline...

[jolly junco]

some speculations about the photoshoot

[jolly junco]

I'm confident HYBE/FRAUDOR sabotaged this opportunity while NewJeans were still under contract.

*x https://x.com/thegreatgaram/status/1865267838090645589

[harsh dove]

@thegreatgaram <t:1733549482:d>

[jolly junco]

this story from Vogue Singapore editor was posted around September

[stiff prairie]

vogue can now be the first brand to make a deal with newjeans after rebrand thank you

[jolly junco]

i guess there was a disagreement that day that motivate him to walk that far just to record this

[ashen charm]

My bad little habit sorry

[wheat raft]

probably, W

[sweet pebble]

all my homies hate hybe💯

[jolly junco]

you are singaporean?

[sweet pebble]

nop

maybe

[wheat raft]

#nj-collection has all the singaporean bunnies you need

[hoary frost]

I am its true

We all hate Hybe

[hoary frost]

Do the girls still have their stylists?

[waxen musk]

Why wouldn't they?

[hoary frost]

I’m asking, since they are no longer with Hybe/Ador, I thought tht their stylists who may b contracted with Hybe/Ador wont b able to style them anym

[upbeat stream]

For ador activities they will work with nwjns

[waxen musk]

The girls are still working with Ador staff.

[upbeat stream]

and beyond that, they will all quit to continue working with nwjns

[orchid field]

even if they quit they will have to serve a notice period (typically 1-3 months)

[hoary frost]

I c

[orchid field]

hkt confirm young

[hoary frost]

I am their age

https://tenor.com/view/smirk-smirking-tiktoksmirk-tiktokemoji-gif-13806203095854006769

[jolly junco]

~t https://x.com/catzkang/status/1865360040712118286

[narrow seal]

241207 catzkang Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/catzkang/status/1865360040712118286
NOT AT THEM CENSORED “NEWJEANS” NAME ON THE BACK OF THEIR SHIRTS???! 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

OK.

[modern fog]

I LOVE N*WJEANS

[waxen musk]

Interesting

[jolly junco]

i think they cant use newjeans anywhere, or even associated with newjeans name until they won the IP

but fans will keep calling them newjeans, i guess its okay as long as it doesnt came out from the girls

[waxen musk]

Fans will still call them NewJeans.

I don't think events can advertise them as NewJeans, though. Unless already agreed upon by ADOR (up until the Golden Disc Awards for example), obviously.

I was thinking they could perform just under their names, but the more I think about it, the more questions I have.

[jolly junco]

well yes, a new job offer cant have anything to do with newjeans name

[shy schooner]

Similar when artist where branded clothing during broadcast event they use tape to cover logo

[faint oyster]

I'm a little afraid they'll accidentally blurt it out.

[lofty compass]

Is true hybe lose 423milion dollar?

[hoary frost]

That was a week ago or smth, probably more now

[jolly junco]

We should enjoy this weekend, and get ready for a new monday media play

[heady gate]

It is the HYBE stock price dropped on Nov 29 after NJ conference. Currently, the price maintaining at the same price level since Nov 29.

[lofty compass]

Oh

[neon igloo]

True, I really don’t understand why people think the girls have stopped working with ADOR’s stylists. As long as they still have events, they’re obviously still working with ADOR staff, it’s just logical. And yesterday, we could even see John Wick next to Haerin

[frozen bronze]

that was me im john wick

[jolly junco]

The world needs to open their eyes and see that this is not right, they need to speak up and change the industry for the better

[wind monolith]

I will always support nj decision and anybody else who suffers from this slavery industry. Health is more important than anything

[frozen bronze]

i can smell the twitter posts saying this is real bullying and nj are overreacting

[jolly junco]

MHJ seems like an angel now that even JYP are such a sick CEO for doing this

He is the perfect bestfriend for BSH

[wind monolith]

im already seeing this

[red thorn]

The fact that this kind of thing seems "normal" in the industry, all the more reason this needs to change

[tawdry vessel]

some good armies

[jolly junco]

did he got possessed? cant believe my eyes when i see a little 7 saying this

[dapper root]

dont bring up vcha and newjeans man its horrible taste

[dapper root]

and can we also not use tweets where people use the dead as a talking point to support arguments

holy fuck

[frozen bronze]

its relevant

[dapper root]

how

its about vcha

it has nothing to do with newjeans and min heejin

[frozen bronze]

i mean your second point

[jolly junco]

Its about the kpop industry, not just vcha

[dapper root]

yeah but whats this thread about

but this case is about vcha

thats what important here

dont take away from her struggle by trying to relate it to NJ

its sickening

[frozen bronze]

nobody is doing that

[dapper root]

?

[dapper root]

read this please

read this please

[jolly junco]

Bro its seems like you didnt watch Hanni talk in NA if you’re saying it has nothing to do with NJ

[frozen bronze]

????

[dapper root]

ur unreal

[jolly junco]

You’re unbelieavle

[frozen bronze]

hello??

[jolly junco]

I dont think you are really a fans of newjeans for saying that

[tawdry vessel]

mistreamtment and comapanies being asses

stfu

[harsh dove]

no u

[tawdry vessel]

are you blaming hanni for that seriously?

[jolly junco]

@hoary frost @high totem is this the mod you chose for newjeans server?

[frozen bronze]

why the fuck are you a mod

[dapper root]

im not blaming hanni at all

[jolly junco]

Where is mod?

[dapper root]

im blaming the people behind the scenes who let that happen

[jolly junco]

@hoary frost @high totem

[frozen bronze]

thats very obvious from this message !

[dapper root]

i said i love her?

[elfin pewter]

C’mon guys

[dapper root]

the girls are whats important here

bringing in this recent vcha news to push your own narrative is horrible to bring up

you are using a victim of abuse to push your ideals and further your narrative

[frozen bronze]

i agree with saying that vcha spoke out because of newjeans is in very bad taste, but i have no idea why this is how you are telling vous off

[dapper root]

to get points for your side

[jolly junco]

And bringing this up are not?

[dapper root]

maybe i shouldnt have said this i agree

but you see how both sides can do that? and how both are bad?

like its mind boggling

[jolly junco]

I’m just bringing up about how people are starting to speaking up about their own mistreatment in this industry and its good to see so the world knows whats going on with kpop industry

[dapper root]

exactly not what you said the first time

[split bramble]

all of them so evil and fixated on archaic torture methods that gen z's wont stand for

2025 better bring artist union in kpop industry

[tawdry vessel]

you sounded like you're blaming her

[slender jungle]

bringing the vcha stuff into this diff situation is just insensitive as fuck imo

[neon igloo]

https://imgur.com/4QmPLkD

[jolly junco]

This is what the KEMA KMF and every kpop organization was trying to stop from happening

[dapper root]

anyways im deleting the posts

keep it about NEWJEANS SITUATION

AND NJ UPDATES ONLY

[neon igloo]

VCHA is a good example, but I think we shouldn’t stir up a debate here. Especially as a moderator, damien, you shouldn’t escalate the conflict

[dapper root]

its not a good example whats soever

[split bramble]

celebs are asked for a million pics, you expect hanni or any of the celebs to know everyone(and their deeds) as they're getting asked for a photo?

[frozen bronze]

the way you handled this was terrible

[jolly junco]

Horrible mod

[dapper root]

see im not blaming hanni im blaming whoever let her let it happen 😭

but thats not important

sorry i got emotional dealing with this

[frozen bronze]

your message reads 1:1 to anti's comments on whatever platforms

[tawdry vessel]

@dapper root thoughts on nj doing their first conference on the 28th?

[slender jungle]

yes but relating it to a situation that is clearly different just makes u look like ur using a shitty situation to push ur own narrative whether it had good intentions or not

its better to just say nothing

[split bramble]

whoever let her let it happen? you're clueless

[dapper root]

it wasnt a good one

[neon igloo]

Well, then it’s necessary to also remove the news about The Boyz’s name that was posted here. Any changes in K-pop right now serve as an example of what could happen with NewJeans and help people navigate the situation

[dapper root]

they said some things that made them look bad

[tawdry vessel]

gtfo lmao

[dapper root]

oh alright

LOL

they gave hybe alot of ammo to use in court

but

i guess we are not thinking logically

[tawdry vessel]

im with the girls my ass

[jolly junco]

He doesnt have the girls best interest in heart, what a joke

[dapper root]

i am! but i think throwing them in there and they couldn’t answer some questions is a bad move

am i crazy for thinking this?

[neon igloo]

dude, just stop... you’re continuing escalate the conflict

[dapper root]

minji’s offhand comment is very unprofessional and i love that girl to death😭

[sour scaffold]

[slender jungle]

theres a difference between blindly following the girls and thinking about all the different possibilities that can occur in the future

which is what i assume damien is doing

[split bramble]

someone got very offended on behalf of BSH i see

[dapper root]

yes

[frozen bronze]

hes not saying anything anti nj about this conference tho

[slender jungle]

just because they said something doesnt mean its 100% factual and i feel like more people need to realize that

[rain spade]

oh look damien is back causing chaos

[dapper root]

hi moody how are you

[jolly junco]

The same goes to their opposition

[neon igloo]

relying on situations in K-pop is exactly what allows us to analyze the situation rationally. Simply criticizing the girls' decisions is far too easy

[slender jungle]

well yea of course lol
im not saying what the opposition says is 100% correct either

[tawdry vessel]

they're not perfect yeah but we're with them but saying it's not good was 🤮

[slender jungle]

everyone has their own opinions 🤷‍♂️

anyways i am off this thread for now cause i will keep yapping if i dont leave now xd

[split bramble]

• the girls got on stage and made their positions clear
• there are legal battles on the way, all any of us can do is support their decision and pray for a good outcome
• a mod isnt supposed to be continuously offhandedly criticise the girls for their decisions, we're not in their shoes

[dapper root]

as public enemy number 1 i will also take my leave

till next time

see how that third point can be used for the otherside but it never is

[slender jungle]

all those points are also true for ador/hybe

anyways gbye kek

[split bramble]

your job is to moderate lil bro, not get offended for BSH cause minji has nothing to say about or to him

[dapper root]

i wasnt offended

im just saying its unprofessional

[split bramble]

pretending you cant hear or see when someone says hello is unprofessional

[jolly junco]

Yeah right, minji is not professional but the way you take your moderator job is a pro in your eyes

What a world we live in

[dapper root]

didnt say it wasnt!

never said it wasnt

but i am no longer gonna speak in this thread

for now

so if we learned anything is dont use other peoples struggles to make it all about you

peace out tokkis! newjeans never die!

[split bramble]

in the last half hour hanni and minji caught strays from admin of newjeans server when nobody was even talking about them or the specific situation

you decided to bring it up to belittle them

[dapper root]

https://imgur.com/s4pArcT

cant hear you

[jolly junco]

I need all mod to review damien position as mod, because he clearly are not capable for one

I will edit the words for you so you wont feel ignored

[humble badge]

[jolly junco]

Done

[neon igloo]

Vous, mate, calm down, there’s no need to get angry over this situation. Let it go. You’re right that he’s acting unprofessionally, but there’s no need to escalate it here

[frozen bronze]

its nto the first time he does this tho

[jolly junco]

I’m not escalating things, but he really needs to get reviewed by other mods because clearly he will keep doing this shit forever in this server

[split bramble]

• was someone talking about 'hey guys remember when minji said he has nothing to say to BSH' ?

why did admin decide to bring it up just so they could call her unprofessional?

• was someone talking about 'hey guys remember when some random old fart asked hanni for a picture and she obliged' ?

why did admin bring it up to attack hanni than deflect to 'ault of whoever let her do that'

[tawdry vessel]

vous was just tryring to bring up the core problem of kpop industry... but mfs be like stop pushing your agenda lmfao

[mental lynx]

guys you all are heated up, take a deep breath

[neon igloo]

Anyway, now we have yet another case of mistreatment in K-pop by a major company—JYP. I hope this case will help bring change to the K-pop industry

[jolly junco]

According to 1 mod, its not relevant to newjeans. So we cant discuss it

[hoary frost]

[rain spade]

he came back after weeks of disappearing

[hoary frost]

why are we still witchhunting

[split bramble]

you're very fixated on that one specific post rather than the half hour of dissing girls from that mod

[dapper root]

me and mei are quite different

[tawdry vessel]

like this shit is crazy and saying im not blaming her but why brought this up

[frozen bronze]

yeah this is the worst message ive read in this thread

[dapper root]

yeah i retract that message

[hoary frost]

they aren't wrong though!

[split bramble]

@humble badge this is the issue, anyone posting this deserves ban from the server, fact that a mod posted it and another mod in you is silent is awful

[dapper root]

im sorry for that

[neon igloo]

well, Vous is saying that in another company, a member of a major group almost committed suicide due to emotional stress—similar to what all five members of NewJeans are currently experiencing in ADOR

[dapper root]

i will just exit the thread

[tawdry vessel]

and we also know the fact that damien hates nj for siding mhj

[dapper root]

or mute it im sorry if i have caused this much hostility

okay well lets not speak on my name like this

[hoary frost]

when did they say they hate nj....?

[split bramble]

who's owner and why cant you ask them yourself? is preventing hateful comments about nj girls not part of your job as admin?

[hoary frost]

pray is incredibly busy

[tawdry vessel]

not the girls but their decision as if he knows mhj more than the girls

[hoary frost]

but how is that directly just hating the girls themselves?

[tawdry vessel]

read my reply to you above lmao

[split bramble]

that weirdo acts salty cause the girls do things they wouldnt do

[dapper root]

i already apologized about my comment i was emotional about seeing that initial post about vcha

used in such a disgusting way

[hoary frost]

is it really that hard to not constantly target one person

[frozen bronze]

you would think so

[split bramble]

what vous said was very poorly worded but everyone could see their good intention behind it

there's no good intention about this tho

[hoary frost]

i've seen way more negative comments about the modding of this thread from vous than good discussion points

[jolly junco]

~t https://x.com/juantokki/status/1865575860948078756?s=46&t=Rf0MFOpPEsPDO_zBu2aZ7A

[narrow seal]

241208 juantokki Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/juantokki/status/1865575860948078756
This isn’t directly related to NewJeans, but it highlights what many K-pop artists and trainees have endured for years. K-pop companies have been exploiting these harmful practices for far too long, and disturbingly, some fans even defend it, calling it “the process” or

[split bramble]

maybe then dont try to bury the fact that a mod keeps attacking the girls if comments about modding are wanted to be more positive?

[hoary frost]

like genuine question does a mod have to agree with newjeans decisions to staying with mhj to be regarded as a "good mod" for this server

[frozen bronze]

no but the way he handled something that in his opinion he had to say something about is crazy, he just made it all worse, i agree something had to be said about vous' original wording tho

[dapper root]

and i already said i handled it poorly

[frozen bronze]

yes but this other person is still asking

[hoary frost]

yet you all chose to ignore all of it

[dapper root]

so i apologize for that for the 30th time

[split bramble]

should a mod be saying this?

should anyone claiming to be nj fans be saying this?

[dapper root]

nini i have apologized for this 15 times at this point

why are you so adamant on witchhunting me here 😭

[frozen bronze]

we understand you apologised bro this t1 person is just still talking about it

[dapper root]

because jini keeps sending a screenshot every 4 seconds man

thats why bros still talking about it

but we can drop it and start fresh

[frozen bronze]

hes replying to t1

[hoary frost]

can we clearly see there is some sarcasm behind it please it's just a little mishap

[tawdry vessel]

no but atleast respect the girls decisions and their parents have been guiding them too

[frozen bronze]

thats not something you say

[wheat raft]

i watched A2K and seeing not much promotion for them after, this wasn't too surprising

this just solidifies that newjeans need to go independent, or have their own agency

[frozen bronze]

(and he apologised, so its fine)

[tawdry vessel]

damien thinks nj are just puppets of mhj

[jolly junco]

I’m happy that you can feel how MHJ felt for the past 8 months, although it was only 1% of what she experienced in life

[dapper root]

BANGER!!!

[hoary frost]

do they have the financial means to go with their own agency?

[mental lynx]

guys for real its time to stop

[dapper root]

well thats not what i think

you dont know what i think

[wheat raft]

hmm not sure if JYP himself is involved anymore with the company

[humble badge]

he isnt very much

[jolly junco]

He’s not? I thought he is the CEO?

[humble badge]

no

he hasnt been

for over 10 years

[tawdry vessel]

you literally said mhj could shot someone and the girls would say she's a good person

[humble badge]

JYP is the founder and majority stock holder, but he isn't involved heavily with day to day operations and their current CEO has been there since 2011.

[hoary frost]

blud is too busy preaching god to be a ceo now

[jolly junco]

But cant he prevent for this things to happen?

[humble badge]

not really no

[frozen bronze]

we dont know that

[wheat raft]

ngl bet most companies have these behind the scenes and its the unfortunate "norm" in the industry

now idols are trying to break the norm

its tough but hopefully it can introduce some changes for the idols

[jolly junco]

Yeah this is what the KEMA KMF was afraid to happens, i really hope they speak up for themselves

[split bramble]

they put a 500k debt burden on that vcha member, ador sent nj's gaming advertisement profits to hybe's failing gaming venture

even mafia have nothing on kpop accounting tricks

[half knot]

funny how that works

[pearl cipher]

So upsetting to search YT for “kpop news” and get inundated with channels just bashing NJ. 😡😰

[half knot]

after the blatantly pro-NJ mods got flushed out of this server (for other reasons of course), we get a bunch of mods that happen to sync their frequency very closely with antis and their narratives

but I didn't expect it from damien given he's been a mod for much longer 😕

[steel depot]

true

[waxen musk]

What the hell did I just read through when backreading just now.

[hoary frost]

Is Damien acting up again

[waxen musk]

I just finished reading and he really doesn't help himself. He does apologise a lot, but I fear that apologies like this end up being meaningless when there's a history of him doing this.

I would seriously like other mods to discuss his mod position after what I read today.

And it's not because he can't have his own opinions on the situation. He can. It's just the way he goes about it, and also the specific points he brings up come up as misinformed on the situation, too.

Anyway I wouldn't have brought this up hours after it happened if I didn't feel the need for action or private discussion with other mods. I'll leave it there and I don't want discussion to start up again in here. Sorry about that.

[split bramble]

<@&1010310870464741477>
been going on long enough, at what point do you guys say 'maybe we shouldnt have an admin that attacks the girls in a fucking newjeans server' ?

[hoary frost]

Huh

What Hanni and Minji

[jolly junco]

LMAO, who would have thought that NJ will get mistreatment in their own unofficial server like this by the mods

[buoyant hamlet]

damien should not be a mod

[tawdry vessel]

damien thinks nj are puppets of mhj
he takes a jab at hanni for just taking a picture
he says minji is unprofessional for saying she doesnt have anything to say to bang pd

it's time to start a dialogue

[frozen bronze]

this doesnt need to be in this thread anymore tho

[orchid field]

they are all friends with each other, thats why

[hoary frost]

saying minji is unprofessional when the entire company is even more unprofessional 😒

minji wouldve said worse stuff

[tawdry vessel]

it felt like the questuon was to bait minji, and all she did was to quickly shut it down, she's just being honest about it actually

[waxen musk]

Give Taly some support, we already know all this stuff (hopefully you all do) but she's back with videos going over the Ador lawsuit and NewJeans' response from the other day: https://www.tiktok.com/@talytokki/video/7445841122414578990

[jolly junco]

I deleted my tiktok since May 2024

[split bramble]

a wise decision

[waxen musk]

I've stopped using it quite recently too. I only watch TikToks people give me links to.

[orchid field]

I couldn’t agree any harder

[humble badge]

huh??

where??

[hoary frost]

https://tenor.com/view/newjeans-haerin-ijbol-lmao-lmfao-gif-10008254882245184629

[tired ingot]

@dapper root our little comedian

[stiff prairie]

Ayy just got in n looking at texts above. Seems like the fight's stopped. Mentioning him/her again will start shit up again. Let's not do that maybe

[jolly junco]

he/her will come again in a few weeks, invited or not

[stiff prairie]

But sad state really. Fighting occasional antis is ok whatever comes w having a dedicated thread like this but we gotta fight w our own server's mod too now

[mild mist]

just say 'them', it's easier

[dapper root]

yeah them works

[stiff prairie]

What do you prefer btw

[steel depot]

he's a he check his role

[stiff prairie]

oh yeah i see

[heady gate]

what happend here?

[stiff prairie]

damien happened lol

[hoary frost]

[lucid yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/bunny-sleep-cute-gif-3441175

[stiff prairie]

but this got me into thinking. how do you prove that sb is NOT brainwashed

[dapper root]

dont worry guys after today i am leaving the thread!

sorry for all the injustice i have caused

[hoary frost]

If u as a mod leaves who will moderate it

[dapper root]

other moderators hope this helps

[stiff prairie]

don't man. i think a bit of mind from different opinion is not bad. as long as you come in good faith

[dapper root]

naw it always turns out bad

i didn't want to say that thing i said i was just emotional at the time seeing the vcha stuff

[heady gate]

vcha stuff on this sub?

[waxen musk]

I said before, you apologise a lot but it becomes meaningless due to the consistent bad behaviour over time.

[jolly junco]

my mental health is more important

[hoary frost]

[heady gate]

An apology is meaningless if the person consistently makes the same mistakes repeatedly. I learned this from my life expenience.

[stiff prairie]

anyways since it died down let's not drag it out

[heady gate]

I am afraid to scroll up.

[rain spade]

if udon't want to be sane, please do

[midnight zodiac]

yeah because then it's just an apology to end the conversation and doesn't have any real intent in fixing their mistakes

[stiff prairie]

i just saw the ss mentioning hanni and stopped scrolling further. my self anger management lessons doing wonders lol

[thorny knot]

it appalls me that someone who says something like that is even a mod/admin

[heady gate]

I interviewed many employees in my life. I am wondering how does this server admins interview mobs.

[stiff prairie]

think he's loved in gen chat so ig it's cool to have him mod there

[thorny knot]

i mean i get there are some bad apples but damn that's rotten

[stiff prairie]

let's take a breather guys. since he appologized and all that let's give him benifit of doubt this time and let it slide

[thorny knot]

more than belift or hybe could ever do

[split bramble]

I dont want this swept under the rug cause no way admin of nj server should be attacking nj girls whatever chance he gets

[waxen musk]

I think I saw mention of this being a "witchhunt" earlier and I'm worried that will be used against us. I've seen it on Twitter, people go after a person constantly even after they apologise. But the thing with apologies is that they show change and don't do it again... so that's why we're so demanding of change this time and even though we want to move on from this discussion I don't think we really can.
Also people keep focusing on the "reddit talking points" he brought up more than anything, but people are failing to understand just the way he went about briging up these topics and his inability to resolve until he started seeing the "witchhunt" start and started apologising literally like 10-20 times and say he'd back away. It's ALL been happened before. This is why I don't trust to not happen again.

[dapper root]

trust me it wont happen again

[slender nacelle]

why is chat so dramatic today

[dapper root]

i will simply just not share my opinions about anything because it always escalates to something

[split bramble]

think of it this way, if you're a bus driver and you run over a crowd, then say 'sorry' and his mates say he's sorry let him kee driving his bus

is that ok with you?

[waxen musk]

The only change your proposing is not sharing your opinions. That says it all. (Also I don't believe you.)

[dapper root]

and i dont mind if you dont believe me

i will simply just show you

[heady gate]

You are not mentally mature enough to be an Admin.

[buoyant hamlet]

is there a way to community vote a recall for a mod?

[dapper root]

damn 😭

[stiff prairie]

i'd probably react the same way as you if i saw that text in real time. but thing is in order to stop a fight or argument one needs to be a better person and forgive in one instance. otherwise this will go on forever

[dapper root]

harsh but that’s alright

i have been mad childish in alot of the arguments and debates we have had

[split bramble]

forgiveness comes after repent

[tawdry vessel]

it's fine if you dont like mhj but leave the girls alone

[heady gate]

how many members in this server?

[dapper root]

alot

[waxen musk]

50k-ish

[dapper root]

yeah i haven’t mentioned her

at all

recently

[stiff prairie]

idk how we keep increasing even during all this "disbandment era"

[dapper root]

but you asked me about my opinion on the conference i gave it and i got called an anti and thats it

what i said earlier i apologized for but we will just go in circles

[stiff prairie]

bro it's pushing 60k now

[dapper root]

i will no longer give a contrasting opinion

because if i do it always turns into a fight

[heady gate]

NO, you are suitable to be an Admin of a 60k member server

[dapper root]

thank you?

[heady gate]

If this was a small server, you are fine

[waxen musk]

I stopped chatting and he's just repeating himself. Please just reread what I said.

[buoyant hamlet]

How many signatures needed for the National Assembly to remove him as a mod?

[dapper root]

okay what other change would you like me to do

[jolly junco]

be like me bro, peaceful life

[dapper root]

im curious what i should do

[buoyant hamlet]

step down as mod

[stiff prairie]

no but there is a way to push your opinion without it getting heated. like saying "i don't think hanni taking a pic with a person w questionable actions was a good idea." so others would be encouraged to get in a healthy discussion instead of totally coming at you with intent

[split bramble]

if he was another normal anti i would follow this path, but an admin constantly pushing anti rhetoric, this needs measures to be taken

[tawdry vessel]

it came off as anti cause all you said was negative about the girls, so im asking you again, like was there anything you liked about what they did or was it all bad?

[dapper root]

yeah that was bad from me

i think it wasn’t smart for them to hold the press conference

it was good for them to say what they had to say

but from a legal standpoint it could make things worse

[tawdry vessel]

so you just let hybe to do their media play gotcha

[jolly junco]

agree, but i just dont have the energy to fight him now because i prefer doing it by collecting hearts to vote newjeans

[dapper root]

well media play can go both ways

[stiff prairie]

yeah when you put it like that i can get in a healthy discussion w you. you give your points in a respectful manner i give mine. even in the end nobody convinces each other we still didn't spill blood over it. i can live with that

[dapper root]

and thats not me supporting hybe i hate em as much as the next person

[dapper root]

yeah i rock with this

sometimes i can get a bit overboard but

i just get mad emotional because despite popular belief i care for the group

[heady gate]

He is like the Korean president who doesn't want to step down of power.

[dapper root]

its just what their doing is great its just not an easy thing to do so NJ has to be very very smart