NJZ Updates and Discussion

[orchid field]

fakedor/hybe's inaction already is grounds for termination. Their contract has been public since an earlier injunction. Need I remind you that their contract is not standard "slave contract"

Article 5, Clause 4
If a third party infringes upon or obstructs the performance activities of E (NewJeans), C (ADOR) is obligated to take necessary measures to eliminate such infringement or obstruction.

Article 15, Clause 1
If C (ADOR) breaches the aforementioned obligation, the members of E (NewJeans) have the right to terminate the exclusive contract.

the girls have given ador two chances and more than four weeks of notice collectively.

[lethal hound]

Demands are not obstruction

[hoary frost]

lol they are just saying their opinion like anyone else in here they are not the one who decides they are just trying to scare ppl

[celest zinc]

YEAHH!

[vague shore]

The termination's already done If they don’t agree, they can file a lawsuit Trust me, they would’ve already done it if they thought they could win

[wind monolith]

its media play that some ppl r eating up

[orchid field]

again, this is not your typical kpop contract and conventional wisdom does not apply.

[lethal hound]

Better read article 398 of that same law bill

[orchid field]

can you show me ?

[lethal hound]

I already did 2 days ago

Article 398 of the South Korean Civil Act addresses the stipulation of damages in contracts, allowing parties to predetermine the amount payable in the event of non-performance.

[wind monolith]

its already known that a third party has infringed them (hybe/soruce/dispatch) that is enough to terminate there contract if ador have an issue they should sue

[lethal hound]

Tell that to the courts 😅 trust me they will laugh off that statements

[orchid field]

and how is the amount payable related to termination?

[lethal hound]

Trust me that argument wont go far. Many have made that arguments in similar court battles and lost. Got to understand what is infringing their obstruction

[orchid field]

lost why?

[rain spade]

https://tenor.com/view/yapping-yap-talking-gif-2845990263294244368

[lethal hound]

Civil rights act is heavily regulated and forced upon by courts. It will trump the auto termination logic ppl here are asumming will happen

[hoary frost]

give up gang your too “smart” for us lets just wait and see u already said ur piece no need to argue we have different beliefs hey if you were right congrats u told us so

[wind monolith]

ai then ador should sue but they havent still so sit back and relax until that happens

[orchid field]

you quoted article 398 which is about punitive damages, which has nothing to do with civil rights

[lethal hound]

Cause meeting artists demands have nothing to do with obstructing their performance

[lethal hound]

Articl 398 is from the civil rights act

[jolly junco]

"protect existing contracts"

but every company, every idol have differents contracts. You paint everything red

[lethal hound]

Writings on the wall. You can hate via emotions im just as devastated as well. Im just trying to move the conversation into a realistic reality

[wind monolith]

Those demands r asking to fix the stuff that has obstructed them? they gave 14 days to fix the demands

[orchid field]

398 is all about determing monetary value in damages, but that has nothing to do with whether contract termination is just or not

[hoary frost]

lol for what?

[lethal hound]

I wish i am but there are specific laws that was passed just to avoid artists wanting to break free from a contract

Its just like how sports contracts work guys there aint no magic loop hole to get out free

[lethal hound]

Yeah its about penalties for terminating a contract. Im just sayin newjeans will have a sticky lawsuit that wont go there way

[vague shore]

Guys Stop playing lawyer or judge We can only talk about the process You can see what the lawyer said (https://sports.khan.co.kr/article/202412030954003) 'When a ruling is made, it doesn’t terminate the exclusive contract. The court only decides if the termination notice is valid or invalid. Since the notice is retroactively judged, if you’re confident about the termination, you can proceed with it.' So the termination is already done and the only way to reverse it is for ADOR to file a lawsuit and get a ruling

[hoary frost]

lol plus im not even hating you just sound like your so sure abt everything your saying

[lethal hound]

Want to watch the 매불쇼 youtube video the arricle is talking about??

Kinda goes over the same argument point i made

[thick needle]

https://tenor.com/view/aizen-gif-21242285

[jolly junco]

1. We urge ADOR to take action regarding HYBE PR (Director Cho Seong-hun)'s disparagement of Newjeans' achievements
2. Please immediately resolve the unnecessary dispute with Dolphiners Director Shin Woo-seok and the resulting issue of Newjeans' existing works being removed

if this 2 are not obstructing their performance then i dont know what is

[stiff prairie]

what's going on folks

[lethal hound]

Not meeting artists demands… is not obstruction of performance period

[rain spade]

is not having nj1 and some extra activity plan also consider obstruction ?

[stiff prairie]

we were supposed to have NJ1 and a fan meeting in korea that were interrupted by hybe shinenigans

[wind monolith]

r those two points obstruction or no? ignore if they were demands or not

[lethal hound]

https://youtu.be/WmCLaRmsONU?si=U1mQJesTqcsyLI2I

[jolly junco]

ADOR: Its HYBE fault, not us. We cant compel HYBE to do what you wanted us to do

[lethal hound]

Its not… thats the point im trying to raise.. it sucks i know

[wind monolith]

how

[lethal hound]

This is the video your article is pointg too

[wind monolith]

if u r paying media to make it look nj did poor in japan sales i think thats clearly obstruction

[jolly junco]

i dont think he/she knows what nj1 is

[stiff prairie]

i want to know them better because i think they come in good faith and just are pessimistic tbh

[vague shore]

dude what part you don't understand? 'The Supreme Court precedent states that the termination of an exclusive contract isn’t limited to faults like assault, abuse, or embezzlement of settlement funds but also applies when mutual trust between the parties has completely broken down'
You can't force someone for labor

[jolly junco]

me too, i want to play with them some more but i'm afraid he/she doesnt even know what nj1 is

[stiff prairie]

cloud you do know nj1 right? pls don't disappoint me

[lethal hound]

“Urging” and “disputes” happens in companies everytime. If your interpretation of that law is true. Then every artists would have the power to auto terminate their contracts all the time. All athletes around the world would quit contract every year if your interpretation is true

[jolly junco]

please give him time to google it

[thick needle]

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-smiley-emoji-rolling-on-the-floor-laughing-gif-14617892

[wind monolith]

this is happening from within ur own company but u do u man

[vague shore]

Yes if that happens company can ask for compensation but the termination is done got it?

[stiff prairie]

you don't understand that all contracts are different. vous alr showed you part of nj contract the enables them to do this

[wind monolith]

ador is suppose to protect them from this which they didnt

[mild mist]

I think you'd need to argue that in court

[lethal hound]

Its still enforced the same. Same law

[jolly junco]

did you have a complete copy of newjeans exclusive contract with ADOR?

[lethal hound]

The contracts are standardized

[jolly junco]

according to you, but not to supreme court

[stiff prairie]

different contracts statement will not have different results based on how that law is applied?

[vague shore]

As I said nobody can say what's gonna happen in the court 100% but only can talk about the process

[lethal hound]

By National Assembly bill that was passed

[mild mist]

I just wish that the courts would get on with it

[vague shore]

Dude you don't even know NJ member has standard one or not Once again No one knows

[lethal hound]

🤦🏻‍♂️ thats what im trying to point out. Its all the same per law

[jolly junco]

lets continue after you find out what nj1 is

[wind monolith]

only would happen if ador sue which we are waiting on

[lethal hound]

Specifically passed just to avoid this type of scenario

[valid sierra]

their contract contains grounds for termination. which means if ADOR did any of those stated in the contract, they may unilaterally terminate the contract.

[half knot]

this is only applicable to injunction cases though

[mild mist]

We're also waiting on the main heejin cases from may, and many more

[lethal hound]

Lets not get childish here

[wind monolith]

ya but in terms of termination

[half knot]

urgency isn't really a relevant factor in a normal contract termination lawsuit

[lethal hound]

True this will take some time. Im just hoping things will work out. Hoping to negotiate a buyout from a financial backer

[stiff prairie]

without going in circles, what do you think is going to happen cloud? ador sues nj members and win the lawsuit is that it?

[vague shore]

I don't even know what this guy is trying to achieve here

[lethal hound]

Cake i know you upset. But please read what im trying to say correctly without getting so butthurt over it

[wind monolith]

he wants to change all our opinion to a more "realistic approach"

[lethal hound]

NJ might need an alternative way or argument point to get out of the penalties

[rain spade]

yes cloudwalkcapital PepeW

https://tenor.com/view/pepew-twitch-nymn-gif-20756151

[stiff prairie]

bro i'm not butthurt just tryna understand your pov thassall. just give it to me straight. asking you again do you think ador will sue nj and win the lawsuit and that's all or not?

[lethal hound]

If you were here since my initial statement or read the convo then you would

[vague shore]

The only fact is that the termination is done per se and they're confident with the process That's all

[rain spade]

according to them, ador will win. conclusion

[lethal hound]

Id rather have the direction of the convo than a dream of false obstruction argument

[lethal hound]

Answered it here cake.. gotta read it first

[wind monolith]

ai we gladly take ur opinion thank u

[lethal hound]

Ignorance is bliss i guess

[valid sierra]

why would they need an alternative way? do u think its not true that ADOR/Hybe mistreated them and did not violate their contract?

[stiff prairie]

so ador doesn't need to make any lawsuit to get money out of the members?

[lethal hound]

Lets not go circles just read our previous convo. This already answered

[lethal hound]

Who said that?

[vague shore]

At worst, NJ might have to pay hefty compensation but even then I think they'd accept that So what's wrong here?

[lethal hound]

This is exactly my point

[stiff prairie]

so ador needs to sue and win which is what i've been asking since begining and you're bringing up other things is that right?

[lethal hound]

Until everyone got so butthurt over it

[vague shore]

I'll rather go buy their next album twice rather than talk this negative shit

[stiff prairie]

see how circle circles?

[heady gate]

any update?

[red thorn]

I think that kind of outcome is alr known
We are in circle

[lethal hound]

Okay kid you got to remember the conversation straight. No one here denied ador suing or not going into lawsuits

[stiff prairie]

do not try to patronise me lil bro. "okay kid" really?

[lethal hound]

Yeah but i guess were goijg in a circle cause some people here cant admit to that reality

[mild mist]

There was an article somewhere that some union of record labels asked them to go back to hybe, the name of that union seems to change with each translation

[valid sierra]

saw u stating some articles. contract clauses between the contracting parties are superior than law. so if the contract says they may terminate the contract under certain condition, they can since both parties agreed and signed the contract

[shut kelp]

yea that okay kid was crazy ngl

[lethal hound]

Never mentioned anything about any contract clause

[heady gate]

ty. That union is powerless.

[rain spade]

Chill brooo, gonna get this chat locked

[wind monolith]

"Its still enforced the same. Same law" we were talking about the contract clauses

[stiff prairie]

idk i lose interest in arguement when they start doing stuff like that

[lethal hound]

Yeah, I lose interest in an argument too when they put words in my mouth

All im saying is, the penalties will probably stick

[heady gate]

Are u guys talking about contract penalty fee? Let the court decide it. We can speculate all day.

[lethal hound]

If people here cant cope with that im sorry 🤷🏻‍♂️

[shut kelp]

idk why everyone all of sudden are lawyers lol the girls have a team around them and they know more than what any of us know

[lethal hound]

So does hybe

[wind monolith]

nah bro they def getting that penalty

[shut kelp]

u know u right i think cloud might be on to something

[lethal hound]

Been trying to point to this thats all for me

[heady gate]

Ppl thought the company created NJ contracts. It was MHJ who created the contract, not HYBE

[stiff prairie]

if that is your end point we can start from there. you believe that and some believes that they won't need to. so court will decide after ador sues them who pays what and that'll be all. till then all you and i can do is argue and go on circles that holds very little value. do you agree w me?

[valid sierra]

you pay penalties when you terminate the contract without valid grounds. NJ terminated the contract under valid grounds according to their contract

[lethal hound]

Contract termination is standardized

[rain spade]

what if they do not have to pay ?

[shut kelp]

but cloud said so

[wind monolith]

he said no so its what he says

[lethal hound]

Sure i guess

[wind monolith]

theres no other way around it they have to pay since cloud knows everything

[heady gate]

It depends on the content of the contract, we don't know the content. Let the court decide this.

[lethal hound]

LOL childish behavior wont get you far

[sage pilot]

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[narrow seal]

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https://twitter.com/PoppyKPoppie/status/1863787751113642417
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https://m.entertain.naver.com/article/144/0001004765

[lethal hound]

Ayye yup 👍

[heady gate]

Today is Tuesday. It is going to be a long week

[rain spade]

Ah right forgot pepelaugh

[stiff prairie]

that's good so a pessimistic person will go the negative route and optimistic person will go the positive route call it hopium copium whatever. i can't make you optimistic by saying whatever and you can't make me pessimistic by saying whatever. then do you see how pointless this whole arguement is?

[shut kelp]

bro u been insulting everyone here chill out

[tired ingot]

they pay it or not doesn't matter, I just want this drama end soon

[lethal hound]

Got to watch the video. Thats just one point not even related to NJ discussions

[vague shore]

I watched it and the lawyer was the only expert and only person who went through the process

[lethal hound]

You just got irked cause i rebuked a person putting word in my mouth so i aint insulting ppl here. I know you emotional but i aint here insulting everyone

[shut kelp]

oh brother

[stiff prairie]

bruh

[sage pilot]

I will not waste my time on ppl who say “NJ didn’t use their brains”

[shut kelp]

ppl dont agree with u and u say everyones coping

[lethal hound]

Alright whatever i get it. Its all good when i get insulted and i just used one word “kid” to one person and all of the sudden im insulting evrryone lol

[shut kelp]

mb u insulting cake

[lethal hound]

Im sorry i hurt your feelings

[stiff prairie]

the whole point i wanted to make was if we're coping then let us and if they know the future and are sad (or maybe happy) then stay that way. this whole convo felt like "hey i see you're not as sad as you should be. listen to my law talks and be sad now"

[shut kelp]

yeah my feelings were hurt

[half knot]

there's no chance a court would award HYBE the insane termination fees they're potentially been threatening NJ with

NJ may end up having to pay a penalty of some kind, but it won't be anywhere near even a fraction of the astronomical numbers HYBE is throwing around

[sage pilot]

I’m supposed to listen to this guy? Lmao

Kim Gap-soo said about Hive, “Hive’s multi-label structure has brought about growth as a result,”

[rain spade]

gonna laugh at their assses if they don't have to pay

[stiff prairie]

it's your fault you're a snowflake mushy gushy kid who don't understand how real world works and are not crying cause nj have to pay millions to ador. don't pin it on him

[lethal hound]

There already is a pre determined formula. Its standardized law

[lethal hound]

Whatever that makes you feel better 🤷🏻‍♂️

[tiny peak]

I've seen this person come in here started arguments and citing reddit before, best to ignore

[shut kelp]

fries… bag

[sage pilot]

Oh reddit again 💀

[stiff prairie]

indeed i do feel better. just how i wanted to start my day. by arguing in circles on discord that eventually doesn't hold any value

[shut kelp]

hes lowkey a

[lethal hound]

Never cited a reddit post once?

[tiny peak]

you definitely have in the past

[rain spade]

you can be hybe's lawyer

[split bramble]

if hybe was as confident as this guy there would be legal action from their side already

lets just leave it at that

[shut kelp]

he might be 😂

[half knot]

it's regulation not law and it has never been enforced, it only sets out the maximum and there are other laws that limits such amounts being awarded

[sage pilot]

I’m interested in if HYBE are so smart and NJ are definitely fucked, then why HYBE hesitates to file a lawsuit? It’s been 4 days already

[half knot]

points in the general direction of the last 8 months ... Smart?

[lethal hound]

i would love to see some proof of that

[valid sierra]

how many times do we have to say that their contracts have grounds for termination, which is superior than the law. why even try to argue if u cant accept other facts

[half knot]

This has been an objective PR and reputational disaster for an entertainment company and those associated with it like the pro-HYBE paid journalists.

[midnight zodiac]

doesn't article 398 say the court can reduce the amount if they think it's not reasonable?

[half knot]

it's reguation, guidance, the courts still determine what is reasonable within the confines of the various contract laws in place

[heady gate]

It is pointless arguing about it. If HYBE wants a sue NJ, let the court decide.

In the mean time, sit back and wait

[vague shore]

Just blocked him that guy's trolling

[split bramble]

still hybe gets a lot of protection in government level, like for example krx saying they wont investigate hybe yesterday and their stock going up 5% today

the battle will be tricky because of a lot of outside interference

[sage pilot]

I would like to hear your answer @lethal hound

[half knot]

clearly HYBE would rather engage in Dispatch character assassination pieces than having their dirty laundry aired in open court. Look at the fun they had with the first injunction case where the judge individually and detailedly rejected every one of their arguments, and then made all the evidence public record despite HYBE's request for otherwise.

[cerulean lake]

I’m sorry ik people want to be more realistic and I myself think that it will be a hard legal battle BUT you should not go around and tell bunnies to suck it up and be more realistic if they don’t want to

this fandom has been going through a lot lately and i would think that people just want to be more optimistic

geez everything sounds so demoralizing

this week has legitimately been ass and i could see why people just want to think on the positive side

[stable escarp]

The best way to be realistic is to not formulate an opinion without credentials and to wait for the final verdict

[split bramble]

tough times dont last, tough people do

stay positive and alert

[lethal hound]

This is not my point..

[rain spade]

we get itt, nj HAVE TO PAYY

[lethal hound]

This is not what i have been saying. I told no one to suck it up

[lucid yarrow]

what the hec r u even talking about im so lost man

[cerulean lake]

yeah but clearly it’s causing tensions and you keep insinuating that it’s not looking good for them; of course people don’t wanna hear that

[sage pilot]

You started with the narrative that HYBE has better legal ground. What’s exactly your point then, if not this

[rain spade]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1284658103358455820/1301611069143384124/sana2.gif

[lethal hound]

Could you point me to one post of anything related to me posting reddit?

[cerulean lake]

luv me some twice

[lethal hound]

I have never said this..

[wind monolith]

by saying nj need better demands cuz those r not enough pre much says that

[cerulean lake]

I mean you kinda indirectly did when you said the girls technically have no valid means for termination and the court won’t accept it + they will have penalties; who else are they going against??

[lethal hound]

Again never said this either

[wind monolith]

NJ might need an alternative way or argument point to get out of the penalties

[cerulean lake]

i might not have said it directly but let’s be fr, that’s literally the main point ur trying to make here

[modern fog]

😭

[wind monolith]

hello jhin how r u this amazing day

[modern fog]

good, just waiting for a news

[heady gate]

Waiting for more Dispatch News. lol

[modern fog]

hell nawwww

[red thorn]

News flash: nj never dies

[lethal hound]

Na..never said anything about hybe nor did i tell anyone to suck it up. I aint no hybe supporter

[heady gate]

I didn't read that crap yesterday

[modern fog]

finally some good news

[sage pilot]

yet you're here parroting what a hybe supporter said

[half knot]

there's no point turning on one another

[lethal hound]

Just cause im pointing to the fact that historically its been hard for artists to terminate contracts without penalties?

[ocean arch]

Bunnies fight with each other more than they do with other fandoms

[half knot]

there's actually very few if any cases of this kind of messy contract termination I know of where we know an artist paid their termination penalty fees

those are usually very quiet and we don't hear about them, for example one of momoland girls that left around the same time as Daisy's lawsuit began

[lethal hound]

Honestly i feel really bad what is happening to MHJ and NJs. But i feel little bit ganged up on just because im pointing to a valid issue point

People been putting words in my mouth just for that

But i get it. Its a sensitive time

[half knot]

yeah people stop doing that to one another, have constructive discussions, it's not like we can do anything to help NJ's legal woes or HYBE's legal problems for that matter.

[split pike]

Guys any news from newjeans?

[sage pilot]

no, not only for that. also, we know this already, and we can see NJ's case is different. again, if HYBE is so confident, then they just should sue NJ and easily win, if it's "historically hard for the artists to terminate"

[half knot]

it's a technically correct statement, but it comes off as pro-HYBE because they've been pushing this narrative in the media for a couple of months now against potential NJ contract termination

It IS historically difficult for very one-side in favor of the company contracts between idols and companies to be terminated amicably, if the ones who start the termination are the artists/idols.

meanwhile the company usually has an easier time breaking a contract. HOWEVER, even then they have certain obligations and can't just walk away from the contract, it's why sometimes you see idols be inactive for 2-3 years and then disband, instead of being let go right away, the company is "fulfilling" its own side of the contract towards the artist in a technical sense, so you get dungeoning.

[lethal hound]

I agree with this. I guess it came off pro hybe

[runic granite]

Why does Hybe have to sue if its NEWJEANS who is claiming that hybe breached the contract? NewJeans has to go to court and present their own case if they want to escape from their contract because Hybe has no reason to sue them as long as they continue fufilling their duties and assigned schedules

[lethal hound]

This is what i was trying to point out

[warm shard]

weren't historically most groups divided on this? it's different when it's just half of the group vs the whole group claiming something

[sage pilot]

we all know that that's a technically correct statement to make but it doesn't apply to this situation. again, as we can see, NJ vs HYBE case is different

[half knot]

What NewJeans has done here with respect to their entertainment contract has no real precedent in K-pop, at least in the order of events of how it occurred, so there be dragons, we're in uncharted territories.

[wind monolith]

they terminated on the 29th if ador has an issue with that they have to sue based on their clause in the contract

[lethal hound]

For example TVXQ and EXO

[runic granite]

The contracts werent legally terminated tho, you need both parties to be involved to do that mostly through court

[cerulean lake]

yea i think it JYJ’s case, some TVXQ members sided with SM while other ones wanted out

[arctic swan]

Cloud has a point. I was never 100 percent positive that Newjeans will win this battle like most people here. But I will support them all the way

[lethal hound]

Yup

[half knot]

a contract can only be amicably terminated if both parties to the contract recognize the termination and agree to either trigger the secondary clauses for that termination or just both walk away.

[wind monolith]

as i said if ador thinks it was not legally terminated they have to take it to court and prove but nj have a clause that allows them to terminate

[half knot]

otherwise one side has to go to court, or both sides, to confirm that termination based on contract law as well as the terms of the contract itself.

[runic granite]

y

[sage pilot]

I choose to believe what actual lawyers have said and I believe in NJ's legal team

[lethal hound]

Thank you. I also will support NJ and MHJ

[runic granite]

So newjeans has to prepare a case and present evidence

[cerulean lake]

that’s the thing people are talking about tho; in the contract that MHJ created, it basically said that one party can UNILATERALLY TERMINATE if they think they are valid to do so

That’s why if ADOR thinks if it’s NOT VALID, they have to sue NWJNs to prove that their termination is invalid

[half knot]

it's a civil case, so the side that starts the lawsuit usually has the burden of evidence, but both sides will be subject to discovery process

[warm shard]

No. It's because of a clause in their contract. They can terminate if there's beef a breach of contract. it's fine and possible. Now Ador has to prove that there wasn't

[cerulean lake]

IS IT COMMON? NO bc other kpop contracts don’t usually have that clause

[half knot]

almost all contracts have this unilateral clause, it's standard, just the conditions that trigger that clause and its secondary consequences can differ

[warm shard]

I could find a comment on reddit, I think it explains it better... i saw it a while ago

[runic granite]

Are the contracts publicly available? How do we know this

[warm shard]

There's been fragments of it revealed I think

[cerulean lake]

really? i see many saying that this clause is not necessarily in standard kpop contracts

welp we don’t know the details so we will have to see

[runic granite]

Thats so confusing 😭

[lethal hound]

Its a standardized contracts

[half knot]

I believe one side leaked portions of the contract yes, also it may have been part of the public records that were made available as part of the first injunction, we're just not korean and don't have access to the court case documents, but somebody with korean ID, phone number, and knowledge of the court case number could access them

[lethal hound]

By law thats been passed post TVXQ

[sage pilot]

We know through MHJ's first injunction ruling

[cerulean lake]

yeah but contracts are not all the same and wasn’t that clause added by MHJ?

ykw i don’t even wanna know anymore this whole thing is exhausting

[half knot]

I'm not saying it is in kpop contracts only, but almost all contracts of any kind have some kind of unilteral termination clause standard, and if they don't, contract law usually presumes one exists even if not explicitly written down

[cerulean lake]

hmm interesting well let’s just hope they have good ass lawyers like woo to the young

[half knot]

not everything has to be written down in the text of the contract for it to be legally applicable, and not everything written down is legally applicable

[short laurel]

@lethal hound i just wanna point out, it was korean lawyers who said the girls method is valid.

[cerulean lake]

https://tenor.com/view/kdrama-extraordinary-attorney-woo-woo-to-the-young-to-the-woo-woo-young-woo-handshake-gif-26277061

[warm shard]

Here, it explains a bit more

[half knot]

kind of difficult to wrap one's head around it, but sometimes contract clauses are illegal or unenforceable for a variety of reasons

[lethal hound]

Yeah there’s both sides

[half knot]

and sometimes things not written in the contract can still cause contracts to be broken because of other laws and regulations.

[cerulean lake]

anyone know what law firm they’re working with? sejong?

[half knot]

I don't think we know for a fact

[sage pilot]

it's not revealed yet

[short laurel]

Reason why i think court will side with nj is cuz i believe they have strong proof that they didn't show the public.

[cerulean lake]

i’m hoping they have good lawyers w them 🤧

[half knot]

we know HYBE is working with "#1 lawfirm in Korea" if you go by what their website and brand reputation rankings say

[split bramble]

I'm interested to see what hybe will argue in court

• NJ dont have right to terminate by themselves

or

• Ador didnt breach contract for NJ to declare termination

[runic granite]

Wait so if the girls claim that the contracts are "terminated" then why are they still working for ador?

[cerulean lake]

well we’ll see the chairman of samsung was probably working w the best law firm and he still managed to go to jail 😫

this is totally different case but 🥲

[half knot]

it will almost certainly be the latter, since they do in fact have the right to terminate themselves

[sage pilot]

it's debatable now thanks to hybe

[lethal hound]

They have lost big cases recently kim and chang law

[half knot]

yeah I was being a bit sarcastic and facetious there because who calls themselves #1 lawfirm in Korea smh

[split bramble]

they aren't, they're managing their own schedule now

[warm shard]

They are still fulfilling the obligations that were signed and agreed upon before they terminated the contract, it's a sign of good will and will most likely work positively for them

[lethal hound]

I hope so too. Hope mhj and nj show some coup de grace at court

[tawdry vessel]

lmfao

[half knot]

fulfilling existing obligations also gives them both a chance to assess what they should do next
that can go on for another 15-60 days at least, plus however long the brand deals are

[cerulean lake]

it’s true; i’ve legit seen others cite sniper and jinjjins as sources and they eat it up

[runic granite]

how long do they have to still work before they can leave fully?

[lethal hound]

It is a most well known law firm ppl in Korea know as a brand name

[wind monolith]

we dont know but its prbly towards mid january

[cerulean lake]

probably early january

[runic granite]

ok thanks guys

[cerulean lake]

so does ador have to sue within the next two weeks for them to recognize that the termination is invalid?

[warm shard]

I regularly check for one user's posts because he seems to know a lot about finance and the law aspect of it and he does get downvoted just for explaining concepts to people 😭 because it sometimes comes off as 'pro mhj'

[half knot]

but sadly this also means a lot of brands that were considering NJ will now reconsider while their situation is legally ambigious

[cerulean lake]

you don’t even need to mention her name bc if u mention showing support for nwjns, they automatically label you as pro mhj

[half knot]

I just hope Ador pays the girls their settlements from 2024's activities

[warm shard]

This is explaining some things about the law and look at the disclaimers at the end lol

[half knot]

they earned an insane amount of money in the past two years for Ador

[short laurel]

Another case of breach of they don't

[sage pilot]

I think this article will help you understand everything better https://x.com/juantokki/status/1862703664022135100

1tokki (@juantokki) on X

NewJeans Announces ‘Contract Termination Without Legal Action’…Legal Experts Weigh In [Deep Dive]
https://t.co/40w7UlBseg
Reporter Kim Soo-jung

Key Points:

-NewJeans declares it will not pursue follow-up legal actions such as an injunction to suspend the exclusive contract.

Twitter · Nov 30, 2024, 3:42 AM

[cerulean lake]

i hope those brands don’t give up on them; it just makes others feel demoralized 🥲

[split bramble]

they wont

[runic granite]

ty

[cerulean lake]

that’s why i hate this narrative that hybe invested a lot to them and they’re just leaving without paying

like HELLO? they literally paid back that investment amount not long after their debut and ador was even one of the subsidiaries not in debt

PLUS not to mention that the apartment they have was from the company funds BUT w/ MHJ and that money they worked hard for

[half knot]

there's a bit of truth to both sides of that

I know we equate ador and HYBE as one entity here, but legally speaking, they are separate incorporated entities

and based on the last financial statements from HYBE, ador has yet to directly pay its 80% shareholder, HYBE, any dividends.

[wraith wing]

What does "unilateral termination is possible if the terminating party can demonstrate a breach by the other party" mean? Demonstrate to whom? Is it related to the legal notice they sent and the press conference they held?

[half knot]

instead, what HYBE charges ador is some kind of service fee (insane amounts really) but that's how HYBE benefits from ador's revenues and profits

[cerulean lake]

i mean there were reports also showing how ADOR had to pay the highest amount to HYBE out of the subsidiaries and the fact that they just took like millions of won from ADOR after PUBG for their gaming purposes

[half knot]

meanwhile NewJeans did indeed as a group make back more than the 16B won that HYBE had invested into Ador (not into NJ only) early on.

enough so that in 2022, the girls already got their settlements

[sage pilot]

hybe also charges ador more then it's other subsidiaries for the "services"

[cerulean lake]

idk i’m just sick of the narrative that nwjns didn’t pay back hybe’s money

[half knot]

yeah it's a silly argument really

[arctic swan]

I really hope NewJeans has some strong evidence or a major ace up their sleeve against HYBE that they’re keeping quiet for now. Relying solely on the contract clauses feels risky, especially since HYBE is unlikely to let them go without a fight. Even if they manage to leave, there’s probably going to be some kind of financial penalty. Instead of ignoring the possibility of things not going as planned, it’s smarter to stay realistic and prepare for a tough outcome so we don’t end up disappointed.

[warm shard]

Yes, the legal notice works according to the 14 days period. They had to notify Ador of that according to the contract. About the demonstration, I assume it's if Ador decides to sue? They could just accept their decision or sue. But I'm not a legal expert They had to notify according to article 15.1

[sage pilot]

"He further added, "Since ADOR is a subsidiary under HYBE's total control, with no autonomy over personnel, management, or budget, they are essentially one entity in legal terms."
https://x.com/juantokki/status/1862703664022135100

1tokki (@juantokki) on X

NewJeans Announces ‘Contract Termination Without Legal Action’…Legal Experts Weigh In [Deep Dive]
https://t.co/40w7UlBseg
Reporter Kim Soo-jung

Key Points:

-NewJeans declares it will not pursue follow-up legal actions such as an injunction to suspend the exclusive contract.

Twitter · Nov 30, 2024, 3:42 AM

[half knot]

I don't agree with that assessment, it's just one legal opinion, Ador and HYBE are not legally one entity, and it's already been confirmed in two court hearings for MHJ's injunctions.

They are in-effect one entity now because of how the staffing and executives are setup, but they each have their own articles of incorporation and they are different companies

[cerulean lake]

I agree with you. I’m hoping that they have more than what is displayed and that their lawyers know what they’re doing. It’s hard going against a conglomerate and also really demoralizing. If they have to pay the fees, I can just see all these other fandoms jumping on the girls calling them stupid and I DO NOT want that to happen

[half knot]

the whole hybe labels thing is very sketchy tbh, it's like trying to be Sony/Universal/Warner Music but without the autonomy those sublabels have

[cerulean lake]

I just never seen a label so determined to screw up a big moneymaker and I hate when these corporations can just get away with all this crap

[sage pilot]

It could be applicable pre-MHJ's injunction, but now the literal HYBE CEO is sitting in ADOR'S BOD. I don't think it's the case anymore

[half knot]

if HYBE/Ador trigger the lawsuit, the burden will fall on them, and discovery will apply to both sides, so even if NJ don't have more now, they may dig up more as part of that process, and vice versa.

[warm shard]

I think the argument would be better based on Hybe owning ~80% at Ador

[cerulean lake]

I just noticed that Team Bunnies has been quite quiet. I wonder if they have anything. copium hitting hard rn 🤧

[half knot]

I suspect everybody is holding their breath as to what ador or hybe will do, and will react accordingly

HYBE needs a big distraction so they can sue NJ at the same time

[cerulean lake]

in the meantime i really hope those two dispatch reporters get repercussions

i could never be an idol bc if dispatch did that to me and i saw them at the airport im jumping them

[short laurel]

The other dude is insane god. Are idols not hunan to them

[half knot]

tinfoil hat time but look at how HYBE and even 143 Ent and CTD ENM used the NJ news as a chance to announce member departures or contract terminations.

a lot of times, these smaller news get burried and memoryholed when coinciding with a more major event

[cerulean lake]

yeah just like how they’re using to cover up bsh’s stock news right when it was getting more traction

sorry but i don’t think this is just some coincidence that the moment he gets more exposed all of this shit drops

[half knot]

if only HYBE protected its artists the way they protect Bang PD's butt

[warm zinc]

so the dispatch report is likely fabricated? could someone clarify for me bc i'm seeing different opinions on twt

[sage pilot]

yes. what exactly do you need to clarify?

[warm zinc]

why am i seeing news about hanni lying 😭

[half knot]

it's likely a mixture of truths, falsehoods, leading to conjectures rather than facts

[cerulean lake]

people are running that narrative ; she never even said she did not meet up w mhj 😓

[half knot]

it's much easier to have an opinion based on incomplete information and then present that opinion as fact in a tabloid.

[sage pilot]

they don't know what they're talking about

[short laurel]

Dispatch post essentially means nothing, they are just baseless allegations even if the content in the article is "true". They still not enough to prove dispatchs case.
All they did is they showed that the stalked hanni n mhj.

[half knot]

it's much harder to change minds aftr that initial opinion has formed in people's minds

[cerulean lake]

yeah that’s why it’s useless to go on reddit these days

[half knot]

no, that's not why. it's always useless to go to reddit

[cerulean lake]

oh u so right. EXCEPT it’s sometimes helpful when u go to the right subreddits

[split bramble]

the best lies are ones that mix some truths in it

[half knot]

reddit is good for some product reviews and troubleshooting discussions, as well as consolidated news collections updated relatively regularly

[warm zinc]

poor girls i fear for their careers.. i wanted to see them thrive :(

[cerulean lake]

it’s giving those texts everyone thought she was talking abt nwjns but it turned out it was about bsh lolz

[sage pilot]

don't worry, now that they're out of HYBE, they can thrive

[cerulean lake]

i only use it for school/school updates heh

[split bramble]

reddit really has no function for me now, i can get help from chatgpt and programming servers much quickly than subreddits

[half knot]

oh yeah, school updates as well as local subreddit updates can be helpful too

[cerulean lake]

used to like lurking on there but not worth getting mad over ppl like that now

[warm zinc]

are newjeans gonna be blacklisted from signing with other labels/brands

[cerulean lake]

idk but unfortunately, i can see hybe trying to pull behind the scenes stuff to do that

they really need strong public and industry support to get through all this 🥲

[short laurel]

If they do that, nj can go intl. Korea will be happy then.

[half knot]

most other brands and labels are not big fans of HYBE. if anything, this past 8 months showed they don't have many friends in the industry aside from their own lackeys

[cerulean lake]

https://youtu.be/tG2OQsT8eGU

[split bramble]

brands wont abandon NJ, and for me its inconsequential if broadcasters blacklist them

did blackpink need to promote their solo activities on korean tv channels?

[half knot]

turns out because they've been a bad faith monopolistic actor in the korean entertainment industry for the past half a decade or so, they don't have a lot of fans in that industry who aren't part of their umbrella already

[cerulean lake]

unrelated but it’s funny seeing a nwjns sliver here lolz

[red thorn]

True, they buy people instead

[lethal hound]

I agree with you 100% all the best for NJ

[half knot]

just imagine how many people killing off VLIVE irked

how many companies had to reluctantly go to weverse or make do with something else.

[cerulean lake]

i hate them for killing off vlive all my fav iconic twice lives were there

[half knot]

and that's just a small portion of HYBE's controlling behavior

[sage pilot]

I hope more companies will be like OG Ador and not use Weverse for their idols. I'm praying for Weverse downfall every day

[cerulean lake]

tbh i think they really wanted to build a monopoly especially after the whole shenanigan of hybe trying to buy sm last year

glad that chris lee did not let that happen

[hoary frost]

what if NJ just became a normal artist not idols like Youngji

[jolly junco]

i'm digging this, can they become a youtuber idol or something? LOL

worst case scenario IF they get blacklisted in the industry because of HYBE connection

[wind monolith]

do u think nj came back to korea to talk to lawyers again cuz didnt they have more stuff in japan still

[jolly junco]

surely HYBE cant blacklist youtube

[jolly junco]

they have yoasobi concert at 7th

[wind monolith]

ahhh

i thought that was in japan my bad

[warm shard]

They can just call

[half knot]

we have technology now

[short laurel]

Much better. Normal artists have better reputation than kpop idols. (N i only care about music, not much about rest of activities)

[half knot]

they can just facetime a lawyer for $300 an hour

(and yes that's what it normally costs on average)

HYBE's probably getting fleeced by the "#1 lawfirm in Korea" though

[hoary frost]

my brains mush from all these confusing yet stupidly harsh tweets im jus gonna take a break and take news from here 😮‍💨

[hoary frost]

on second thought i think they should just stay as idols and break the mold i think thats already the vision for them by MHJ

[short laurel]

Just know that none of these news means anything in this battle.
We won't move forward unless 1 party sues n then the court will decide which is right.

[hoary frost]

unfortunately legal battles gonna take a while and its just gonna make them twist the narratives more. i jus hope theres someone that can stop all these yk 🙁

i think NJs only problem right now is that they cant sign to another label but they still can do whatever they want as independent artists

[short laurel]

These peoples words means nothing.

[cerulean lake]

that’s gonna be me too rn i’m just gonna take a break from other social media platforms and just look for updates here

it’s exhausting to see hate thrown back and forth with no proper discussion and it just makes me go back in a sad mood

[hoary frost]

also if its okay ti ask, is there some trustworthy sources of mhj's allegations being debunked?

[short laurel]

They have twisted alot of things hybe n bighit in the past n scream today like they are innocent. But everyone knows hybe was nvr clean. Nj case is nit the 1st time hybe pulled bs.

[cerulean lake]

her past ones or the ones recently from dispatch

[hoary frost]

both if possible, specifically the past ones

i tried to deep dive into the rabbit hole but i keep ending up in obstacles, with the same narratives

[sage pilot]

look up @/thegreatgaram and @/expmhj on twitter

[cerulean lake]

idk abt the new ones but for the old one go to that garam twt page

[short laurel]

U can confirm their words by Googling the details they discussed in their threads @hoary frost

[hoary frost]

okay thanks guys

[sage pilot]

While we're on a chill discussion, I wanted to ask you guys something I've been ruminating about. Not a long time ago, I saw a tokki in a Tokkiville community on twitter asking if there's a google doc on the whole drama. Since there obviously isn't one, I was wondering if y'all think there should be one. This conflict is very hard to grasp, and because it's stretched for over 6 months already, it's been plagued with so many narratives it feels like there's no truth anymore. I think what is needed is one place where all the evidence and sources can be collected in one place with a timeline of a conflict, day by day, for clarity. So what do you think? Should there be a google doc like that, or is it a waste of time, and only a small amount of people will benefit from it? Or is it a good idea?

I wanted to ask you since I can get an answer here the quickest: Please answer who can. I will also probably ask Tokkis on twitter, too

[jolly junco]

it is a good idea, but i believe only a handful of people will read each and every point we make on that google docs

when you are very infested in this drama and genuinely want to know more you will start searching the things on your own that are bugging you. Just like what @hoary frost did

[sage pilot]

That's true, but I think it would be easier for us to have a collection of sources if we need it, to spread thruthful info and etc

[jolly junco]

i'm not saying it will be a waste, but january 10th is coming, and the truth will prevail

[fierce cloak]

1tokki on twitter has a post with collected timeline

[sage pilot]

yeah but it's not a complete one and do not contain all the stuff

[fierce cloak]

it would be good to put all truth and debunk into 1 cohesive doc

[fierce cloak]

1tokki has a lot of post about debunk too, i think if you ask and collab with them it would be possible to form the doc

[short laurel]

Like otter said. Collab for this

N make sure to add proper sources.

[fierce cloak]

better make it yourself, just ask the translators and team k-tokkis, they have a lot of resources

[jolly junco]

if someone really gonna make a google docs about that, i suggest to make it online and give access to some people who can edit the documents on their free time.

the rest can only read

[sage pilot]

I was thinking exactly this

But I'm only one person and I have a job lol Even if I do it, it will take a long time. If anyone wants to help me in the future, you can always DM me

[jolly junco]

ramjjang HAS to be there, because she has all the sources

[sage pilot]

I will also ask our GOAT tokkis like 1tokki first

[short laurel]

@opaque torrent

[jolly junco]

like i said, dont do it alone

make a team, give access to edit the document online. So whoever have a free time they can start working on it bit by bit

[fierce cloak]

you mostly just need to do editing works to patch the information together, the resources already have

1. Timeline as base outline structure
2. Fill in information of What happened, what was hybe accusation, what was debunked, what was mhj/ nj moves...etc

make it like a wiki

[sage pilot]

Yeah, I wanted to do it like that. Thank you

[fierce cloak]

Key factions:
Hybe side: BSH, hybe execs & their specific roles & what they did, Somu, Belief, Fakedor, Dispatch, media play...etc
NJ side: MHJ, RealAdor, NJ members, parents, K-tokkis

[jolly junco]

to make it sounds like a more important job than having a useless argument with twitter/reddit/tiktok warrior

inform them that once in a while, a lost soul always came in here and make a ruckus, trying to brainwashed some tokkis or divided tokkis into 2 different side

[fierce cloak]

once you have a clear structure of timeline, topic section, the factions involved in the case and what's their role & impact => easily form a clear story

[sage pilot]

I didn't want to include ppl's personal opinions, only facts, translations and sources

[modern fog]

go yui

[fierce cloak]

yeah no personal opinions, just list the events and what each faction said or do
Fans opinion are irrelevant, except for k-tokki as they directly involved

[jolly junco]

no i mean, it might motivate them to work on this more because it will be easier for us here to just slap those people with a google docs

[fierce cloak]

you do need to included hybe side's attack and accusation tho, but you can flip the narration by debunk it

[sage pilot]

yeah i agree, and also what i'm aiming with this potential google doc is not to try to make ppl take MHJ/NJ side, i just want a place with as much as concrete evidence as possible so it would be harder to twist the truth

[fierce cloak]

try to treat it as a professional work is better
don't input personal opinion, it's irrelevant
but you can shift the narration to pro-nj

[sage pilot]

yeah ofc

[fierce cloak]

for sure, that's why as long as you can debunk hybe's bullshit then the doc already show the truth is on NJ's side

everything mhj/ nj done so far is consistent, everything hybe done are lies

[short laurel]

No need to include past stuff btw since it's exclusively about the drama.

[sage pilot]

you mean like the accusations about mhj's past?

[short laurel]

Yea0

[fierce cloak]

just discuss with the translators like 1tokki and njbubblegum, they know the details the most, it can trace back from the very beginning when mhj joined hybe and fought to debut nj

[sage pilot]

yeah no, i think we need a separate one on that lol

[short laurel]

Yea lol

[fierce cloak]

you can also clearly see the perspective of both sides, which hybe see mhj as the rebel and not obey them, while mhj see hybe's system as rigid and corrupt

[sage pilot]

ok guys thank you so much i will let you know if this has a chance to go further after i talk to ppl like 1tokki for the permission to use their translation and stuff and more tokkis. anyone who wants to weigh their opinion more is always welcome here / in my DMs

[sage pilot]

this is a very good idea

[jolly junco]

If you know who made the clear timeline of hanni “ignore her” incident you should invite him/her too

She makes it very easy for everyone to understand the incident with her picture timeline

[fierce cloak]

you should contact @/thegreatgaram and accounts that debunk about accusation toward mhj to create a separated doc and may link it to the hybe drama so people can easily find it

[waxen musk]

Holy moly yet again was just scrolling through this thread had to skip it in the end.

I was thinking about why I'm so confident and it comes down to the girls being confident and being visibly happier since just before their press conference and even today. That's all I care about.

[tiny peak]

they needed to leave that company

[fierce cloak]

what im curious is obviously NJ has their own legal team but why they have not officially announce yet
i wonder if they use the same team with mhj? or they should hire entertainment lawyers 🤔

[waxen musk]

Not officially announced what? What are you waiting for?

[fierce cloak]

im also curious if we know anything about NJ's parents jobs? Maybe it would give a clue if they have specialty or resources to help the girls fight in this case

[short laurel]

that's going into civilians private life. no need to know all that

[fierce cloak]

yeah im just curious, not really prying into their privacy

[waxen musk]

All you need to know is that they are fully supporting their daughters as proven with things such as setting up PR and security for the recent press conference. They are clearly coming together to support them not just financially. That's all you need to know.

[short laurel]

NJ legal team said they'll release statement slowly over time. girls just came from japan, they could be waiting cuz of that. so lets be patient.

[waxen musk]

My understanding was that things were pretty much on pause while they were in Japan. So expect stuff throughout the upcoming days.

[fierce cloak]

with how quick mhj responded and sued dispatch yesterday, i assumed that mhj & nj legal teams already drafted a lot of scenariors and just wait for hybe attack so they can make a legal move

[waxen musk]

My understanding was that she was ready to sue them but then the timing was perfect with the Dispatch article it made it seem as if she responded very quickly. Let me know if I'm wrong in assuming that.

[stable escarp]

ye i thought so too because there was an article b4 dispatch that quoted mhj sueing adn then anotherone with the same content but dispatch added

[fierce cloak]

yeah makes sense

[waxen musk]

Also apart from a brief appearance at a Yaosobi concert, I don't think they have anything they have to do until the 14th. Obviously they could have things they need to do we don't know about. But they obviously won't be sitting on their asses.

[steep torrent]

went on reddit and seeing people thinking mhj still hasn't turned in her laptop these are the kinda people dispatch are aiming for, all that stuff they released is just hybe stans dog food and they're all eating it up

[short laurel]

stop bringing reddit up. even though they suck, it's still us name calling them.

[hoary frost]

Talking abt reddit but insta is a diff breed 🤣🤣🤣

[short laurel]

Now cignature disbanded

[wind monolith]

2024 has not been the year

[hoary frost]

its ok, 2025 will be 😞 lets suffer for another 40 days

[gentle badger]

[jolly junco]

i hate tokkis who qrt haters slut shaming the girls

[tawdry vessel]

we need to stop talking about these antis

dont give them any attention

[fierce cloak]

arguing with haters is suck silly behavior, it amplify their voice even more
if not because of the fans sharing about it, i would know
in this world we must understand Attention is the key, and haters desperate for it

[jolly junco]

yeah i make sure my TL steer clear of things haters says, but sometimes they screenshot it and tweet it themselves

[short laurel]

tell tokkies. the more attention they give to those accounts the more drama they'll cause, just block them.

[hoary frost]

https://youtube.com/shorts/_UOyEVVDhUw?si=eoI9jZylU71HrFPf

just gonna drop this here :3

this alone just shows how stupid and degatory HYBE is

letssss talk here

no more clouding up the silly newjeans chat with the legal stuff

helloooooooooo

[jolly junco]

[sweet pebble]

[waxen musk]

I'm trying to learn to not engage with individual people who just say some nonsense they heard and not waste my time repeating what I and a lot of us have said so many times. I'm tired.

[jolly junco]

Imagine how tired newjeans are

[waxen musk]

Hopefully they aren't on the internet all day arguing with randoms.

[waxen musk]

But yeah I can only imagine. They have it bad. We have a choice to not engage with it. They don't.

[wheat raft]

its sad but we can't do much, only the big accounts have some real impact.

I got off work scrolled tiktok abit and saw a post with 150K likes (millions of views) sayings newjeans parents exposed mhj ... and the account isn't even a newjeans fan...

well all things will pass, newjeans and bunnies will still be there no matter what happens

[jolly junco]

Yes, actually those things are not really threatening the bond between NJ+BN+MHJ but its still irks me whenever i came across it

Its like when you are eating a meal with flies flying around, you dont feel threatened but it still annoy the hell out of you

[tawdry vessel]

the amount of misinformation in general on social media is very concerning, we truly are cooked

[wheat raft]

yeah but defamation is a real thing its out of control and sad. And we wonder why so many idols end up unaliving

it forms and slowly builds a bad impression on the target

thats why you have new fans or uninformed fans that sometimes say "idk why but i don't really like xxx"

they don't know the reason, but they already had an impression somehow -> usually from these social media smearing

but really, its the sad truth but we can't do much

best and most productive thing is just to shower newjeans with love tbh, better for our own mental health too

[short laurel]

The reason behind mhj reputation internationally

[steel depot]

sama

[jolly junco]

South korea just went to emergency martial law state as of today, i hope this wont delay the newjeans legal cases? 😭 maaannn why now of all time

[vague shore]

No shit There's a chance that every event could be canceled

[short laurel]

It's mostly likely political drama, current president is poopoo scared he was loosing to opposition.

He didn't let his wife scandal be investigated n she is known to have ties with hybe. Just saying. Though it all should be unrelated

[valid sierra]

ow, impeachment vote of president tomorrow. thats why he is declaring martial law

[tawdry vessel]

antis gonna say south korea declared martial law to stop mhj

[short laurel]

Yoon declared martial law cuz Of mhj

[bronze jetty]

HELP LMAO

[marsh sorrel]

Ww3?

[vague shore]

So what happens to Bang now huh?

[short laurel]

He means himself

[jolly junco]

LMAO 😭

[jolly junco]

No, just between north and south

[pulsar wasp]

why did SK declare martial law?

[red thorn]

"Antistate forces" pretext

[short laurel]

To attack opposition party, since his party reputation has gine down.

[marsh sorrel]

Alright mb,

[vague shore]

This is like some movie shit

[neon igloo]

technically War between South and North never officially ended. The war concluded with an armistice agreement in 1953, but no formal peace treaty was signed. As a result, North and South Korea remain technically in a state of war, as the conflict was suspended rather than resolved (I read it in Seoul museum and in the book of Korean history)

[rain spade]

no politics plsssss 😢 world already so depressed

[short laurel]

Should go to #off-topic for this guys

[modern fog]

yeah

[short laurel]

It's frozen war

[split bramble]

this president getting impeached would have been better for the girls since his wife has ties to hybe

[tawdry vessel]

are bts members in danger

[short laurel]

No. It's just political drama dw

[tawdry vessel]

Oh I see. I hate war

[vague shore]

Air travel restrictions are enforced under martial law, so technically, overseas schedules are highly unlikely unless the situation is resolved quickly

[neon igloo]

nobody likes wars, but it's politics. And in political games, ordinary people are powerless. Right now, the president of South Korea is saving his own ass from prison. But I really think we should discuss this off-topi or stop the discussion

[jolly junco]

LMAO then AAA must be in panic right now

[neon igloo]

yea, the airspace will have to be closed

[jolly junco]

Nooooo my NJ stages 😭

[vague shore]

It could very well be canceled, but I'm betting on a quick impeachment

[jolly junco]

We have no phoning now no stages

[pulsar wasp]

Are the members still in JPN? or back in SK?

[stone grotto]

I think they came back yesterday

[split bramble]

was martial law declared to stop the impeachmet?

[vague shore]

Wow now that I think about it, if it had been just a day later NJ might not have been able to return to Korea

[pulsar wasp]

do they have stages scheduled outside of SK or suttin?

[stiff prairie]

yoo we went from fanwars to irl wars?

[pulsar wasp]

Apparently “Always Has Been” according to museum and history books

[vague shore]

Yep

[neon igloo]

I hope no

[pearl cipher]

LOL Love the priorities. 😂

[stiff prairie]

make hybe building the battleground

[jolly junco]

They JUST got back this afternoon

[stiff prairie]

it would've been better for them to stay outside kr no?

[jolly junco]

Wait does that mean yoasobi concert will be canceled as well??? Noooooo

[rain spade]

they can't leave anymore right

[lucid yarrow]

hope it get resolve in 2days then or that not enough time

[jolly junco]

https://x.com/newjeansnews_/status/1863955235464765625?s=46&t=Rf0MFOpPEsPDO_zBu2aZ7A

NEWJEANS NEWS🇰🇷 (@newjeansnews_) on X

[Exclusive] Following President Yoon declaring martial law, festivals and events nationwide cancelled one after another… Entertainment industry on ‘high alert’

Artists from major entertainment companies are receiving continuous calls to refrain from attending events starting

Twitter · Dec 3, 2024, 2:35 PM

They cancelled all events

[vague shore]

Yep it's happening

[valid sierra]

holyyy, i think it will be a long martial law

[short laurel]

https://x.com/popbase/status/1863955240262803518

No more mediaplay lol

Pop Base (@PopBase) on X

All media and publications in South Korea are now under martial law control with no public assembly being prohibited.

National Assembly, Local Councils and Political Party activities have also been prohibited in South Korea.

Twitter · Dec 3, 2024, 2:35 PM

[split bramble]

if south korean citizens dont take to the streets it'll be a long martial law that gives birth to a dictatorship

[jolly junco]

NJ terminates contract at the right time

[vague shore]

Looks like it

[short laurel]

Cignature disbanded they announced it on right time

[wheat raft]

lol i hope this takes attention away from all the misinfo around newjeans

[stiff prairie]

when was the last time sk were under martial law?

[wheat raft]

also since newjeans terminated their contract hopefully this delays the media plays and everything, longer newjeans stay free the better

[jolly junco]

1980 i think?

[frank musk]

Man this is surprising

[tawdry vessel]

they're prob going to stop the investigation of bang pd

[red thorn]

Theqoo down nvm

[tawdry vessel]

so it has begun

[frank musk]

This is the start of the wider conflict soon to happen

[polar owl]

The discussion here is entertaining, however all I can say that we are all speculating on the outcome without full access to the arguments of both the parties.

[stiff prairie]

they'll shut down internet soon ig

[fluid edge]

what?

[frank musk]

Rip to all groups who cant post 😦

[fluid edge]

for how many days ?

[tired ingot]

the girls should've stay in Japan😂

[polar owl]

Is it fair to say Japanese agencies take better care of their artists?

[pearl cipher]

Come on over to #off-topic

[jolly junco]

https://x.com/juantokki/status/1863959244229521676

1tokki (@juantokki) on X

241203 Atty. Lee Hyun-gon Facebook post

“Learned all this from HYBE—

attempting to seize control of a company,
now attempting to seize control of the country.”

Twitter · Dec 3, 2024, 2:51 PM

he just need to say that

[wheat raft]

idk about that but they seem to get more love and less hate from kpop fandoms there it seems

[short laurel]

No. Sadly. Hybe just especially bad

[polar owl]

My thoughts (being a keyboard lawyer)

1. Courts generally strive to enforce the terms of a contract as written, provided those terms are clear, lawful, and mutually agreed upon.

2. However, courts do not always rule strictly on the basis of the contract terms. Several factors can influence their decision, including any ambiguity in contract terms, unenforceable provisions ( like something grossly unfair) or a breach of fundamental principles of fairness, equity, or good faith.

3. NJ lawyers (and similarly hybe) can argue on a lot of other parameters including fairness - so the outcome is completely unpredictable in case this goes to court.

[sage pilot]

~t https://x.com/minjigongjunim1/status/1863962953495572913?s=46

[narrow seal]

241203 minjigongjunim1 Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/minjigongjunim1/status/1863962953495572913
The SK president has declared the martial law while their faves are enlisted and the first thing they worry about is NewJeans and MHJ 😭

[polar owl]

NJ is more important IMO

[sage pilot]

Sorry I know everyone dislikes reddit posts, but this is too funny lol

[vague shore]

So martial law was declared to stop NJ's escape and MHJ's speech

[lucid yarrow]

antis be anting all day damn commited for life...or are they bots

[stiff prairie]

bro even not all fans know they have performances coming up. the passion they have while hating is smth fr

[tawdry vessel]

i called it lmfaoo

mentally ill

[warm shard]

Ok so how can I contact her shaman

[zinc geyser]

Why is there a Marshall law in korea?

[frosty echo]

Probably to stop NK

[split marsh]

what is the president smoking

[upbeat stream]

No it's because he lost support at the NA

[zinc geyser]

Wait what

[jolly junco]

#off-topic

[upbeat stream]

He is just power tripping

[arctic sky]

https://x.com/josungkim/status/1863977059766370677?s=46

Joseph Kim (@josungkim) on X

BREAKING: Parliament votes against martial law decree. All 190 members who were able to enter the main hall voted in favor of the bill. None voted against

Twitter · Dec 3, 2024, 4:02 PM

Its over , time to cope again guys

[wintry rose]

wait what was goin on in korea? i seen twitter and it looks like war

[split bramble]

pop and kpop accounts becoming reuters-lite for the last couple hrs been the funniest thing about this failed coup

[arctic sky]

https://x.com/juantokki/status/1863959244229521676

1tokki (@juantokki) on X

241203 Atty. Lee Hyun-gon Facebook post

“Learned all this from HYBE—

attempting to seize control of a company,
now attempting to seize control of the country.”

Twitter · Dec 3, 2024, 2:51 PM

Bro getting cancelled

[heady gate]

NA acted so quickly. damn

[short laurel]

koreans seem fine with this post but non koreans who not even understand 1% of the situation are mad. lol

[short laurel]

but i had urge to put this on those people hating on him.

ofc the post was still not okay.

[arctic sky]

Although im not mad , I disagree with drawing with the generalizing the issue when its a national matter at a stake.

[neon igloo]

It’s inappropriate to make such translations because this is a serious situation. Such a comparison is generally inappropriate

[wind monolith]

Oh ill delete i didnt know

I have a question y was the martial law put?

[wise wagon]

is it possible for someone to update me on whats going on?? i was gone from social media for two days and came back to seeing people accusing newjeans of lying? :[

also im genuinely praying all korean women and children stay safe in this time, whats going on in korea rn is really scary

[heady gate]

The opposition tried to impeach SK president.

[wind monolith]

Thank u

[heady gate]

This news overshadows all Korean news

[copper jetty]

Well good thing is, this is gonna overshadow hybe mediaplay too. At least, for now.

Wait is the martial law over or is it still ongoing?

[wind monolith]

Still happening

[copper jetty]

I haven't read the dispatch article too but from what I know they stalked MHJ and Hanni. I guess they were painting newjeans' actions and words as lies cause as Hanni and the girls' said their words and actions are independent but meeting MHJ suggests otherwise.

Which tbf is bull cause, dispatch doesn't know what they talked about when they met, and second of all... Hanni and the girls never denied nor did they tell people that they weren't meeting MHJ. In fact at the live they did they mention that they told trusted people about it and MHJ is included in that. Also, from what i remember MHJ advised them not to do it so lmao.

[wise wagon]

ah so its just people using any chance they have to trash newjeans evne if the so called evidence isnt even that significant..

when i heard about it i thought it was something big, but thats so trivial and everyone called them masterminds over this --

[wind monolith]

https://x.com/popbase/status/1864030115476426952?s=46

Pop Base (@PopBase) on X

South Korea President Yoon announces he’s lifting martial law.

Twitter · Dec 3, 2024, 7:33 PM

[stiff prairie]

Done?

[wind monolith]

Seems like it from what im seeing on twitter

[stiff prairie]

I thought I'd see some headlines like these tmrw "Chaos surrounding Newjeans contract termination aided in South Korean president declaring Martial law."

Yeah it's on BBC. This could be done over a presscon. Gave sk citizen a panic attack for nthn

[lucid yarrow]

what a waste of tax payers money or do they work for free in sk during those times

[heady gate]

He will be done too.

[neon igloo]

9 october (Phoning)
In Phoning, Hanni said the following:
"Still… the managers or the company don’t know yet…"
"I’ve thought about it a lot, and I think going is the right choice."

She shared her decision to go to the assembly, mentioning that the managers from her company weren’t aware of it yet. There’s no mention of NewJeans members or MHJ being unaware of this.

Hanni didn’t lie to anyone. She never even implied that MHJ wasn’t informed about her decision.

[wise wagon]

i wqas sure of thst too, it frustrates me how everyone spread this misinformation to defame newjeans even more

i swear it feels like everyone's making a big deal out of everything

[neon igloo]

Oh, this is basic in fandom wars

[wise wagon]

i see :') im not open enough to fandom wars to know, i just wish people could use a bit more common sense

[neon igloo]

But it's very sad that people don't read other sources. And that they generally don't even consider that the source they read might have provided false information

[wise wagon]

thats 100% it, i feel like confirmation bias is just driving some people to senseless conclusions

[thorn junco]

bro as a multistan watching fandom wars is painful 😔😔

[ashen charm]

Mhj sueing dispatch right?

[heady gate]

https://www.soompi.com/article/1707710wpp/min-hee-jin-announces-strong-legal-action-in-response-to-recent-reports

[ashen charm]

About time time ⏲️

[cerulean lake]

wait so ik that the martial law was lifted which is good

i was curious tho are the award show events still happening now?

man this is crazy hopefully they impeach that guy 😭

[hoary acorn]

Wait I’m seeing that mhj and newjeans parents actually conspired to take ador away from hybe what the mucks

[jolly junco]

sigh do you really think it makes sense?

that woman RESIGNED... THEY wants to leave, not taking over the company

[hoary acorn]

Blud actually wrote sigh
Idk what makes sense anymore so many people are in the wrong I can’t even see a positive outcome from this. Also south Korea under martial law 😭😭 like what the mucks

[jolly junco]

just trust the girls, thats all we need to do

dont trust random person on the internet

the fact that someone from our discord almost believe that false fact is concerning

[red thorn]

All you need you put in mind that
A party wanted this to be a tampering scenario

[shut kelp]

its annoying when they try to convince everyone and be like keep coping....

like i already know what fandom you're from, the girls know more than any of us so to think ppl fall for the false facts is really really concerning

[unborn jewel]

tf going on in SK 😭

[shut kelp]

yeah can someone explain, does it affect everyone esp idols?

[unborn jewel]

thats false

[unborn jewel]

every sk citizen i assume

[jolly junco]

South Korean President Yoon Suk Yeol was on the verge of being impeached for abuse of power.

Declaring an emergency martial law, as advised by his defense minister, is a desperate attempt to remain in power. South Korea’s Democratic party fears this could lead to a potential dictatorship.

The Korean constitution grants the National Assembly power to request the revocation of a martial law and the President is obligated to follow. But right now, there is a police blockade outside the National Assembly, essentially containing them from doing anything against the President’s declaration.

[hoary acorn]

Okok good

Am I brain rotted for thinking SK meant stray kids and not South Korea

[unborn jewel]

its a narrative long pushed by the media manipulated by hybe,
looking at the surface its easy to see how that makes no sense

[jolly junco]

Following President Yoon declaring martial law, festivals and events nationwide cancelled one after another… Entertainment industry on ‘high alert’

Major entertainment companies have been notifying their artists not to attend events starting tomorrow (4th). The emergency notices cite the difficulty of holding regional festivals or events due to the martial law situation.

[shut kelp]

so they cant leave the country for now?

[unborn jewel]

my friend woke me up about the situation cuz he is going there in a week 😭

[jolly junco]

the declaration of martial law has been lifted as of this morning, but people are still on high alert, so far nothing has been confirmed whether entertainment activities can go back as scheduled

[unborn jewel]

summary from what he told me is pretty much this

[red thorn]

On the 4th, multiple broadcasting officials told Star News, "There is talk that the award ceremonies of the three major broadcasting companies will be canceled, but we have not received any cancellation notices and they will proceed." However, they took a cautious stance, saying, "Martial law has been lifted, but we are currently monitoring the situation."

Probably general stance of the industry

[thorny gate]

Guys the martial law was lifted

[shut kelp]

also its kinda weird the bsh stuff is getting buried its just weird timing is what im trying to say

[jolly junco]

lol you are overthinking, the president wont risk his career over BSH scandal

[shut kelp]

i was seeing posts that bsh has some what ties to the president

[tardy smelt]

conspiracy territory

[unborn jewel]

i dont think this is really related tho

[jolly junco]

he is just BangPD, he's not samsung's son

[wind monolith]

is just perfect timing thats pretty much it, bpd just lucky

[vague shore]

In theory, a change in the presidency could impact Bang's 400 billion won IPO scandal but that's thinking too far ahead

[jolly junco]

https://x.com/kchartsmaster/status/1864112735341920412

everything will proceed as scheduled, no worries

Kpop Charts (@kchartsmaster) on X

YOASOBI announces their concert in South Korea on December 7th and 8th will proceed as scheduled.

https://t.co/brVs4u3suJ

Twitter · Dec 4, 2024, 1:01 AM

[tawdry vessel]

wait i thought this would be held in japan

[jolly junco]

no its in korea

[tawdry vessel]

[lyric geyser]

It’s dispatch bs

[hoary acorn]

damn yeah i saw and thought that dispatch stuff and the leaks were real. def seemed weird

[lyric geyser]

Yeah they paid by Hybe

[boreal laurel]

Damn he did himself dirty what is this thumbnail lmaooooo

[zinc geyser]

I've been seeing this dude

What side is he anyway

[wind monolith]

hybe

[boreal laurel]

Corporate shill

[zinc geyser]

He talks like he knows the rules 🙄

[cerulean lake]

he doesn’t need to do anything to make himself look dirty bc he’ll still be 😷💩

[jolly junco]

lets stop talking about unimportant figure

like him or sniper or jjinjins

i want to vomit everytime anyone mention their name

[shut kelp]

https://x.com/billboard/status/1864084732272586883

billboard (@billboard) on X

HYBE Chairman Bang Si-hyuk Investigated by South Korean Regulators Over $285M IPO Profit
https://t.co/8HaFhTgzHT

Twitter · Dec 3, 2024, 11:10 PM

😲

[jolly junco]

so we must wait until the girls make an entertainment activities under new agency for ADOR to sue them? because it seems like ADOR/HYBE wont file any legal action to them so far

[heady gate]

During the conference, the girls said there would be no lawsuit against HYBE.

[wind monolith]

no its saying that ador might sue only when nj do something separte from ador (create own company, join new company).

[heady gate]

ok

[wind monolith]

i feel like nj should make a decision on that so it forces ador to sue

[shy schooner]

Prob won't be anything new until 2025 as they are still fulfilling the schedule they have been set

[heady gate]

The girls are busy in the next 30 days. HYBE is busy of the BSH issue. Korea government is busy of the incident today.

[stiff prairie]

what's the reason for his termination

[jolly junco]

Drug use

You dont know him?

[stiff prairie]

nauur the only two korean shows i have ever watched is squid games and reply 1988 and i don't even know any of their names besides hoyeon

[stiff prairie]

lmao good thing the only drugs the girls are on is helium

[jolly junco]

He was ex-TVXQ member

[stiff prairie]

But tvxq successfully ditched their company no? Bro really messed that up too lmao

[jolly junco]

no... that was 15years ago
they were blacklisted from every korean music entertainment by SM

just like when Jessica left SNSD

[mild mist]

From this it's not clear - did the court grant "Have Fun Together"'s injunction request, and that's why he had to pay the penalty fees?

[jolly junco]

yeah but this is the most similar case that ever happened

[hoary frost]

BillBoard mentioning this is a good thing. Soon other news platform will catch up.

[short laurel]

now replies are stock market experts.

[stiff prairie]

[boreal laurel]

i think hybe stans sometimes forget that hybe is essentially a pink sheet stock memestock

hybe main source of income is bts

majin if there was a top market cap american company main source of revenue being drake and taylor swift lmaooo
and that company was screwing over ariana grande and then had their stock get sunk by ariana grande not backing down

hybe is fundamentally more empty than tesla and yet at the same time has a corporate shennangians situation that would make elon musk blush

😂

it is absolutely silly that hybe is in the top 50 market cap in south korea

[jolly junco]

you've gotta be kidding me

they are higher than SK group?? what in the kdrama world..............

[neon igloo]

*x -c https://x.com/tbzwangdeuls/status/1864240843797971299

[harsh dove]

@tbzwangdeuls <t:1733304627:d>

THE BOYZ can’t use the name THE BOYZ once they leave IST since the negotiations fell through. They are now preparing to promote wither under The Boys or The New Boyz :(

This means, we can no longer use THE B too :(

[short laurel]

i m shocked that hybe is worth more than samsung's subsidiary snd SK group. 1 is defuct entertainment company relying on 1 group, other is essential part of tech used around the world even if leadership is shit.

[neon igloo]

Well, we have yet another example to rely on. The battle for the name... MewJeans or NewJeanz seems like it will be our reality...

[modern fog]

💀

[sage pilot]

~t https://x.com/dforq/status/1864251255209771401?s=46

[narrow seal]

241204 DforQ Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/DforQ/status/1864251255209771401
"THE BOYZ is on the verge of losing their name, ONE HUNDRED-IST trademark negotiations break down"

• TENASIA reported that trademark negotiations between ONE HUNDRED and IST broke down. They previously exclusively reported about the members' move to ONE HUNDRED.

• Initially IST

[sage pilot]

More about this with a source.
“As the negotiations break down, it'll be a loss for the members and 2 companies. Because the trademark 'THE BOYZ' will have no value without its members.”
It’s a lose-lose situation. Let’s wait and see, I’m sure our legal team will be paying attention to this case

[neon igloo]

A good phrase: a name means nothing without the members. But in reality, this doesn't change IST's decision, and that means HYBE will likely act the same way. We'll just have to hope that replacing NewJeans with NewJeanz or something similar won't significantly affect search rankings or the fanbase that's far removed from the K-pop industry

[sage pilot]

Then ADOR will be just a shell as well. Maybe that’s why HYBE is allegedly preparing to debut ADOR’s bg 🧐

[tired ingot]

newskirt👍

[cosmic belfry]

The NewJeans

[neon igloo]

My opinion: they’ll fill the gap with a boy group (for two years mb), and then they’ll launch yet another NewJeans copy (mb something like ILLIT again) and try to create the appearance of activity

They might even recruit a new lineup for NewJeans, just like ATTRACT did with Fifty Fifty. They'll use the group name as a marketing tool since they own the rights to it. Anyway, HYBE just needs to create "the illusion of activity" so that everyone thinks everything is "under control" and ADOR won't fade away

[wind monolith]

i dont think ador can create a new group with the name, the only rzn attract did it with fifty fifty was cuz one member stayed correct me if im wrong

[sage pilot]

Yeah, I think they would try smth like that. I’m wondering if investors will be okay with ADOR’s decreased value, bc no way the new group(s) will have the same impact as NewJeans and ADOR was the most likely label of their to grow very big. They will lose a ton of money and what? Rely on BTS again?

[neon igloo]

They can, bcs they own the rights

[wind monolith]

hm ok then i prbly got misinfo

[heady gate]

HYBE can sell NJ master to any Korean organization and close ADOR.

[sage pilot]

No I think you’re right, I remember smth like this. I will try to find the source

[neon igloo]

Oh, they have plenty of puppets in their hands: BOYNEXTDOOR, ENHYPEN, TXT, BTS. TXT and ENHYPEN, for instance, haven’t stopped touring for two years straight, constantly getting injured or performing with fevers. Yet the company gets away with it because most of the fans of these groups are outright fanatics and sasaengs who stalk the groups and demand more and more content. There are far fewer reasonable and genuinely concerned fans, which is evident even from their X campaigns to protect the artists. Attempts to help for the members' rest often end with those fans being accused of not loving their idols or not believing that the artists are doing this of their own free will

[short laurel]

ZB1 is not hybe group

[neon igloo]

I wanted mentioned BOYNEXTDOOR, but write zb1

[jolly junco]

Performing concert during fever?

How? How can you dance and sing for hours if you are sick

[short laurel]

add SVT too. they still have 2 more years of their contract.

[neon igloo]

I recently watched the recording session for TXT’s latest album, where Yeonjun came in straight from practice for his solo debut with GGUM. He was so exhausted that he couldn’t record properly. Even the song’s producer asked him, “Are you okay?” to which he replied, “No, but there’s nothing I can do about it,” and started recording. He even forgot that he had already recorded the guide for the song. And when the session ended, he just zoned out for several seconds after being told that everything was recorded perfectly. He wasn’t just tired—he was completely drained

[jolly junco]

Oh wow

[neon igloo]

As far as I know from talking to Carats, SVT handle almost all of their activities by themselves, as HYBE doesn’t seem particularly interested in promoting them

[jolly junco]

Wow they treat artist like a robot

[short laurel]

doesn't change the fact that they are overworked.

[jolly junco]

Seeing how newjeans got so many holiday with their family now i feel bad for other artist

[neon igloo]

u can check this video link timecode 4:08

[short laurel]

even now svt are on tour

[jolly junco]

But if you are performing while sick, the concert will not be fun anymore 🤦‍♀️ the fans who come and watch the concert will not having fun too if the performer arent

[wind monolith]

uk what hybe reminds me Mr.krabs from spongebob

Money money money

[neon igloo]

I understand the aggression toward NewJeans from other HYBE fandoms: our girls were the only ones who, after their debut, had proper vacations and could even go back home to their countries. The treatment of artists at ADOR was normal and different from what others experienced

[sage pilot]

Their main asset is still BTS either way. Those groups, even with tours, don’t contribute much. Except arguably SVT, but they will start their enlistment soon. Not to mention that Source and Pledis are in debt and HYBE America is bleeding money, too

[neon igloo]

yeah, u are right

[short laurel]

hybe had such a good chance to diversify revenue. they blew it so bad.

[jolly junco]

Yeah i think i never watch any other groups vacation vlog with their family as often as newjeans did. And they are still rookies too, even more rare

[wind monolith]

https://x.com/newjeansnews_/status/1864266525605302641?s=46

NEWJEANS NEWS🇰🇷 (@newjeansnews_) on X

[cafe daum] #NewJeans karma strikes again after a NewJeans hate commenter got scared thinking he got sued but actually got phished and didn't know
https://t.co/wipPL1UGoj

Twitter · Dec 4, 2024, 11:12 AM

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 hopefully thst scared him

[short laurel]

that's funny xD

[hoary frost]

I’m in that comment section correcting people as if my life depended on it. People have no shame and believe anything

[hoary frost]

They’re mad that the girls each became multi millionaires so soon. It’s unheard of and it threatens them. I love that

[upbeat stream]

I think it's because nwjns did something about their mistreatment while they trend hashtags all day

Whether it's successful or not, at least they tried

[copper jetty]

It's a new day. Is there new media play or news Is still the president??

[short laurel]

Yoon's supporters in ppp said yoon declared martial law cuz he felt lonely. So take a guess

[mild mist]

well he should have known how long the odds were that he'd get into that fan call

[mental lynx]

This true?

[neon igloo]

These are just fan speculations based on what the girls wrote in their recent messages on Phoning. There have been no announcements about them creating another app. Most likely, they’ll communicate with us through social media for the time being, if that’s possible

[cerulean lake]

ngl idek i don’t even think that’s possible unless they sign w another company 🥲

[mental lynx]

Okay thank you

[neon igloo]

we all need to accept the fact that for some time we won’t have live streams or messages from them. This could take several months. We just need to be patient and wait to see what the NewJeans members decide

[frozen bronze]

why would they need to sign with a company to make an app

[cerulean lake]

i mean it’s not that easy to be independent and have an whole app made. people are usually under a company even with idols using preexisting apps like bubble

[frozen bronze]

i guess im not sure if you mean an entertainment company or a company in general (for example an app development company)

[neon igloo]

it’s possible that their contracts prohibit them from having public social media accounts or something along those lines. And to start a YouTube channel, they would need equipment and a team, which takes a lot of time.
Creating a new app doesn’t require a company, all they need is money and a development company to write the code(it's not hard honestly). The only issue would be servers, which would require negotiations with large network providers

[frozen bronze]

which contract

[neon igloo]

yeah, they officially terminated their contract, but I think the girls will be careful with such things, just in case something was stipulated that ADOR could potentially use in court....

[frozen bronze]

i see, i assumed you meant it like that yea

[neon igloo]

honestly i think using Twitch as a streaming platform would be a good option for them since it allows for assigning moderators. However, setting it up would be challenging, especially since the members aren’t used to it and likely can’t handle it on their own. Personally, I expect rare Twitch or YT streams with OT5 and moderators in the near future

[hoary frost]

Hanni knows

[neon igloo]

Wdym?

[hoary frost]

How to stream

[neon igloo]

has she done a Twitch or YT stream before?

[hoary frost]

https://tenor.com/view/smirk-smirking-tiktoksmirk-tiktokemoji-gif-13806203095854006769

I assume she would, shes the most chronically online

[neon igloo]

watching something online isn’t the same as properly setting up a stream

[hoary frost]

But tbf Yt and twitch streams r made simple, they cld js start w their phone

[neon igloo]

dude, just remember that Dani didn’t know how to end a stream with the button until Minji showed her how

[hoary frost]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[neon igloo]

it's not that simple how we think ahaha

[modern fog]

keep ts in genchat 😭

[hoary frost]

Oh no Jhin 😔

[sly python]

Twitch is no longer supported in Korea, they'd be unable to stream &/or generate any revenue from it. Youtube streams are the way to go as they did before + have a broader reach

[waxen musk]

There's ways around it, existing Korean streamers who continue to stream on Twitch found a way, but it's not worth it for a Korean-first audience.

I'm scared to ask what is going on in Tokki Twitter. I see a lot of people saying things without me seeing exactly what they're talking about. Probably best to ignore, right?

[gentle badger]

[twin cypress]

social media right now is misinformation central so just ignore everything unless it comes from newjeans lawyers or whatever

[sly python]

just look at the memes & cute pics

or if ur crazy enough, dont open social media & just do normal things like laundry, touch grass etc.

[jolly junco]

nothing more than petty fight between children

[waxen musk]

Yeah these fights I don't see but only hear about keep happening.
I use Twitter to keep up to date, but there's other stuff I don't want to see.
I can't wait until the truth gets exposed in the courts.

[jolly junco]

we cant avoid not to see things like that, even after blocking so many accounts somehow they keeps popping back into my TL

thats why i dont like to follow back some people even if they ask to be moots because i want my TL to be clear of these petty fight

[mental lynx]

Thats the reason i mostly stay here now on this Discord

[jolly junco]

yeah most of us will posted important update in here anyway

[mental lynx]

and I am thankful for that

[twin cypress]

what happened in that tokkiville community anyone know?

[jolly junco]

petty fight between the mods

[heady gate]

Social media is the main misinformation central since 12 years ago. FB and IG were the tools in the US. Ppl who share the misinformation are the source of the problem.

Sadly, we can't fix those ppl

[heady gate]

They should take some rest.

[mental lynx]

they all need a green tea and some time off social media

[runic knoll]

That's probably because Elon Musk did unnecessary change to Block feature now which means several accounts that you blocked can be seen by you on your TL again

[cosmic belfry]

Erm I'm pretty sure the block change was only they can see your stuff again. You still can't see their stuff if you blocked them.

[stiff prairie]

No update? At least no news is better than a bad news

[stiff prairie]

Dunno what happened there but I can see more of these happening frequently if there's no new label by the time ador schedules are over

Ppl need to stay busy w the girls activities so they can't focus on petty dramas lol

[normal marlin]

https://x.com/jeff__benjamin/status/1864530006531055880?s=46

Jeff Benjamin (@Jeff__Benjamin) on X

Breaking: ADOR confirms in a media statement that it has filed a lawsuit with the Seoul Central District Court to confirm the validity of the exclusive contract with NewJeans today, December 3

Twitter · Dec 5, 2024, 4:39 AM

[stiff prairie]

they dun it?

finally

[hoary frost]

https://n.news.naver.com/article/001/0015086751?sid=103

[twin cypress]

Lmao this instantly aged badly

[stiff prairie]

wouldn't call it bad news since this had to come one day

better than dirty media play at least

[tardy smelt]

a lot's riding on the outcome of this suit, hoping for the best

[tawdry vessel]

had to file within 14 days so this was expected i guess

now we wait

[hoary frost]

HopHopefully they lose

[stiff prairie]

-prayjeans

[tall dew]

:hyeinpray:

[stiff prairie]

oh no what happened to hyeinpray

[tawdry vessel]

[twin cypress]

Is it just me that feels like even if they say they are still contracted to ador the girls are still just going to break their contract and leave. And in like a couple years re record their music since bana and frnk own the masters. So this really just is pointless

[stiff prairie]

it's mostly for the paying huge fee part

[vague shore]

Honestly this was totally expected and no surprise it came right after Dispatch's media play Now the girls just need to show that the trust between them and the company is completely broken instead of pointing out who's faults it is and that's the reason behind of not filing a lawsuit first I’m pretty sure NJ have plenty of stuff ready to back them up including all the shady media plays

[wind monolith]

its happened

[twin cypress]

I know that but in fake ahh ador statement they tried to paint it as this is for the kpop industry and culture and that it’s for stock holders to not be confused anymore. And I’m like even if the court rules in hybe favor, newjeans will still leave and the stockholders will still sell their stock because they just lost one of their top earners

[wind monolith]

we r in the final season

[twin cypress]

There is nothing fake ah ador can do to keep newjeans 🤷‍♂️

[wind monolith]

I wish the court battle for this would be live streamed but thats not how it work😭

[hoary frost]

This case is probably a bigger deal than we think. this fight will change a lot of contracts in k-pop

[rain spade]

o7 hope they lose real bad please praygeeeee

[tardy smelt]

on everything, i need this to result in newjeans' favour, because the alternative is nightmarish

[stiff prairie]

they won't lose that many shareholders if they keep bs-ing their way till bts comes back tbh. they will lose more if SK manages to incriminate bsh for his pump and dump activities

[twin cypress]

It doesn’t really change it that much. Newjeans just had nicer contracts because mhj was nice and foresaw this situation. Every other idol is in a worse slave contract with no ways out

Only thing i can see it changing is that no sub label ceo will be able to make the contracts and it would all be the same format coming from the ceo of the whole company

[hoary frost]

Have you checked their contract?

[twin cypress]

But as we see with hybe none of the sublabels except mhj’s ador were actually trying to be independent from bang

[wind monolith]

how long do these type of court cases take usually based on previous ones

[twin cypress]

I ain’t got it on hand but someone can probably send their contract here

[hoary frost]

NJ's contract is also based on a standard contract form.If NJ wins this case, it will set a precedent for other k-pop artists who find themselves in an unfair position to seek termination of their contracts.

[stiff prairie]

think it will depend more on proving hybe shenanigans

[ornate vine]

whats HYBE's angle at this point even?

Do they really even believe they have a chance at retaining NewJeans or are they just trying to save face? If it's the latter, it doesn't even seem like they're trying to do that. I truly don't get what they're aiming for atp

[twin cypress]

They can’t just let them go easy so they got to show the stock holders they are trying

[ornate vine]

ah makes sense

[polar owl]

They are trying to slave Newjeans for the time being and then terminate them at their own choosing - basically saying we are in control and no one can dictate terms to the company

[vague shore]

Only the difference is NJ’s been dealing with unfair treatment from the parent company right from the start This is so strange because, normally, when you succeed they treat you better that's just common sense

[stiff prairie]

ok btw they didn't file for injunction right? straight to the main suit?

[tawdry vessel]

when do we get the result tho

[midnight zodiac]

does anyone know if the part about terminating contract is something that's specific to newjeans' contract or is it a part of the standard contract?

[polar owl]

https://www.soompi.com/article/1708332wpp/ador-files-lawsuit-regarding-validity-of-newjeans-contracts

In English ☝️

[twin cypress]

I don’t see why hybe wants to open themselves up for discovery. Seems like a bad idea for them

[vague shore]

People are saying this lawsuit could take years So technically, they can't stop NJ in the meantime and even if they win the ruling the contract would probably already be over or have just a small part left by then I thought it's was injunction but it's not and looks like they’ve got no way to stop NJ for real which is why they’re all in on media play But then the martial law news just overshadowed everything

[buoyant hamlet]

They've probably sweeped up a lot of the skeletons this past week or so

or at least have excuses ready

[tawdry vessel]

they had to do it

[ornate vine]

honestly hoping the evidence is so overwhelmingly in NJs favor that it doesn't go that long, bc i dont see them realistically fighting for their name until this suit is over

[mental lynx]

oh boy right when I was about to sleep something happens

[stable escarp]

I pray after this is all over, media outlets wont witch hunt them and blacklist them

[twin cypress]

It’s okay go to sleep nothing else will happen today

[stiff prairie]

brace for the blacklisting cause it's coming fs

[mental lynx]

True but just this fact alone keeps me awake cuz i hate fraudor

[stable escarp]

i want my girls to go crazy global and js spit on hybes face man

[twin cypress]

They aren’t a indie level group lol there isn’t no blackball going to happen when they are loved by the nation and have ties to a bunch of companies and ads

The daughter of some Apple marketing dude is a bunny lol. They’ll always be there to advertise the iPhone

[stiff prairie]

1 group vs hybe's tons of group the music show companies won't have any choices if they are in that position to choose one or the other

[twin cypress]

Which is why I always say they need to go to some global label like umg

[lucid yarrow]

phew i thought they can drag this on for years good to know they have act

[stable escarp]

Is umg good tho?

[midnight zodiac]

i would love to see hybe trying to blacklist them but then it backfires and the girls get even more popular

[twin cypress]

I mean umg Sony warner are all way bigger than hybe and have way more resources to market globally so yea they are better

[lament delta]

guys what are the chances of ador winning the lawsuit?

[stable escarp]

as long as mhj oversees all the production, management and music then ill be happy

[stable escarp]

have it in your heart that newjeans will win. its best that way

[flint stone]

~t https://x.com/juantokki/status/1864541117980791001?t=iMBXeWH_K9z0vlpzewz26w&s=19

[narrow seal]

241205 juantokki Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/juantokki/status/1864541117980791001
Do you want to read something funny? 🤭

Full Statement from FRAUDOR

Hello, this is FRAUDOR.

On December 3, we filed a lawsuit with the Seoul Central District Court seeking legal confirmation that the exclusive contract with our artist, NewJeans, remains valid.

Although we did

[stiff prairie]

bro we'd be lucky if we can bag umg tbh

[twin cypress]

Also those head labels are just the music distributors. They let their sub labels run mostly independently with minimal interference. It’s what hybe tries to do with their system but bang is too much of a narcissist to not get credit for everything

[wind monolith]

https://x.com/PoppyKPoppie/status/1864544820607504529

PoppyKPoppie (@PoppyKPoppie) on X

ador is just asking the court to confirm whether newjeans' contract remains valid.
should the court confirm its validity, ador can move to file an injunction to halt the activities of newjeans.
this means, ador would also need to provide enough proof for their requests.

Twitter · Dec 5, 2024, 5:38 AM

[lament delta]

ador is 100% gonna lose imo

[hushed whale]

lets wait for a statement from the girls

[heady gate]

*x https://x.com/NJBUBBLEGUM/status/1864534513969451052

. (@NJBUBBLEGUM) on X

(241205)
Yonhap News
ADOR "NewJeans Contract Still Valid"... Files Lawsuit to Confirm Validity of Exclusive Contract
Reporter Lee Tae-soo
https://t.co/3TqKlalIfS

Twitter · Dec 5, 2024, 4:57 AM

[harsh dove]

:warning: Tweet with id 1864534513969451052 does not contain any media!

[stiff prairie]

yeah like they have both drake and kendrick and just let them duke it out in the open while they bag those dollars. hybe could be so successfull if it was run by competent people.

[stable escarp]

now we pray for this to happen ig

[wind monolith]

https://twitter.com/cato_o_o/status/1864544920284922251

Cato_o_o (@cato_o_o) on X

Hmm…didn’t HYBE unilaterally terminate MHJ’s shareholder contract earlier this year?

This is laughable

Twitter · Dec 5, 2024, 5:38 AM

[midnight zodiac]

i feel like they're just stalling while they come up with a plan. or stalling so they can clean up before discovery happens

[stiff prairie]

think their strongest arguments will be just because we thought about ditching newjeans in the internal reports doesn't mean we actually did it. we gave them cbs, music show promotions etc

[ashen charm]

ador will be exposed by everyone

[buoyant hamlet]

my guess is they claim this is all part of some mastermind plan by MHJ to take NJ from hybe, citing the dispatch report

[stiff prairie]

i'd say no sane legal team would cite dispatch and think the case is solid but it's hybe. they might add smth from dc gallery or gp999 as well lol

[ashen charm]

i hope its still paid subscription

[stone grotto]

Hmm is the lawsuit to validate the contract to see if the girls could even do what they did or is it to prove that Ador didn’t breach any contracts

[midnight zodiac]

i would be more than impressed if this was actually all MHJ's plan. the level of planning and foresight would be insane. crazy genius

[stable escarp]

it would turn me into an astrology believer

[midnight yarrow]

I see this said a lot and need to just address it. The public broadcast companies behind music shows are MUCH bigger than any entertainment label. No one label can ever bully them

SBS, KBS and MBC have all openly feuded with big company labels in the past. In short, they don't gaf about trying to suck up to any label

[stone grotto]

Yeah but look at how SM blacklisted JYJ from ever appearing on music shows back in the day

[rain spade]

Does ador need to have evidence to prove the contract is valid

[wind monolith]

https://twitter.com/PoppyKPoppie/status/1864548077929156669

PoppyKPoppie (@PoppyKPoppie) on X

to add, this means newjeans' contract will be thoroughly examined by the court. im sure most you want to know the chances of the court siding with ador. the answer to that is 40/60.

the court will also review the reasons newjeans gave when they unilaterally terminated their

Twitter · Dec 5, 2024, 5:51 AM

[midnight yarrow]

It isn't 2009 anymore. Companies don't have that kind of pull. Laws were passed so a JYJ situation can't even happen again. Social media has expanded rapidly since blacklisting was a thing. You cannot blacklist a group as big as NewJeans

[valid sierra]

ADOR have to prove that they havent breached the contract

[stone grotto]

That’s crazy because the girls clearly showed a ton of examples of how they did, but I guess they have to prove if it was bad enough to be considered a breach

[heady gate]

Is that mean, the court would be able to reveal NJ contracts to the public?

[hoary frost]

only reason hybe could win is if it rigged

[rain spade]

so both sides is still gonna be investigated before court makes the decision

[stone grotto]

So if this whole ordeal takes months even years, how does that affect the girls’ activities. Are they free to do what they want or is it still under Ador until it’s resolved

If they refuse to do anything under Ador that’ll be a long hiatus no?

[silent spade]

This #1231839760759263232 message

[jolly junco]

They finally did it!! cant wait for newjeans super freedom 🩵

[wind monolith]

From my understanding ador is asking the court if the way newjeans terminated is legal under the contract

So if court says yes it is legal then r newjeans free or is it gonna be another lawsuit from ador saying we didnt breach it tho

[stiff prairie]

if we lose next lawsuit will be for an astronomical amount of money they didn't lose from newjeans announcing their termination

[jolly junco]

If they court say “yes what they are doing is legally right”

Ador have to file injuction to stop all newjeans entertainment activities

If not then newjeans are free to do whataever they want under new agency, unless ador filed for injuction to stop everything

[wind monolith]

👍

[jolly junco]

Just like park yoochun case

[stiff prairie]

imo this lawsuit will define it all. we're bound to lose any injunction or anything if we don't win this one

[jolly junco]

I dont think we have anything to worry, the girls are waiting for this. This is what they wanted, for ador to file a lawsuit against them

They must have something up their sleeves to be this confident

[cerulean lake]

ik we shouldn’t worry but i can’t help to worry

we thought MHJ might have had a slight chance at winning her second injunction after the first one but that one didn’t turn out the way we wanted 😭😓

[stiff prairie]

d days always get me pessimistic. and hybe somehow always manages find loopholes

[cerulean lake]

sorry i’m just to pessimistic 😫🤧

yup with how they were able to get away with so many things despite all the shady things they have done it just makes me pessimistic and mad

[opaque torrent]

the first one is much more important and will serve as a launching point for all important lawsuits to come

and mhj did not lose her second injunction. the injunction court just deemed it has too many moving parts to resolve in an injunction court... they're still waiting on the results of the police investigation and hybe's lawsuit on the validity of the shareholder contract

[frozen bronze]

the second one was never expected to be won

[opaque torrent]

yeah you can look at the pov that its meant to discredit any future claims of tampering as well

[half knot]

I'll post what I posted elsewhere on this here as well

It is interesting that they filed for the normal lawsuit first rather than petition for an injunction to stop NewJeans activities outside of Ador, though I suspect that will eventually happen as well if NewJeans ever refuse new activities beyond their currently scheduled commitments, so if they can get a confirmation regarding validity, then they can safely file for injunction.

Either way I suppose the girls and whoever is backing them (parents, min heejin, etc) got their wish that Ador is the one suing first.

Just handwavy-analysis of this, I don't think their argument that NewJeans can't unilaterally terminate the contract will hold up in court. There's at least two standard clauses that has come out from their contract segments being reported on that very much allows them to unilaterally terminate their contract, one involves paying penalty fees, the other depends on Ador not protecting the interests of their artists. And there's the standard termination of contract when trust is broken and upholding the contract is no longer tenable, that clause doesn't even have to be in the contract for it to apply based on their contract laws.

So I guess, step one of the many floors of this legal battle for the girls and ador to go through...

[jolly junco]

i guess even ADOR themselves doesnt really know if its legally accepted thats why they seek validity with the court. It might be because the contracts arent their normal kpop contracts with idols

[cerulean lake]

so in this case is it up to ador to provide evidence that nwjns cannot unilaterally terminate their contracts?

is this different than ador having to provide proof that they did not breach the contract or is it quite similar?

[half knot]

since we don't actually know what they filed, and only their one line statement on it, I would assume it's the former (they are asking a judge to say that newjeans can't just walk away like that) rather than asking judgement on whether ador's actions or inactions were a breach of the contract.

but a judge can rule on both, a lawsuit can evolve based on the judge's discretion.

either way ador has to present their side first and the burden in a civil case like this is on the plaintiff

but if it evolves, then both sides may be subject to discovery and newjeans' side have to present their rebuttal to ador's claims and case as well

basically anything can happen and we've been given maybe 1% of the whole information and completely in the dark as far as making real predictions go, and anybody who says otherwise, myself included, are just making wild and highly extrapolated assumptions and presumptions.

[jolly junco]

i wish January 10th can come faster, i need something to move forward or at least progressing so tokkis will have some hope

[stiff prairie]

what's on jan 10?

[half knot]

possibly NJ's last big group activity that they had commitments for with Ador?

they still have a lot of brand commitments going well into 2025 though, some of them like the most recent endorsements and CMs might last into the summer of next year and beyond

[opaque torrent]

mhj vs belift

[wind monolith]

Is it not the mhj trial?

[opaque torrent]

and mhj vs source music a few days later lol

omg when tf is the police investigation going to be announced. i hope they all lose their arms golfing

[tardy smelt]

i need a new list of important dates to look out for, i've lost track

[sage pilot]

~t https://x.com/minixzzz/status/1864502896429289812?s=46

[narrow seal]

241205 minixzzz Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/minixzzz/status/1864502896429289812
🤦‍♂️the way they write is so desperate like "let me write something i'd look like i'm gonna lose my job if I don't talk about NewJeans"

My forehead almost made it to my chin with the facepalm i just did🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[jolly junco]

MHJ vs belift will happens on january 10th

[sage pilot]

they’re so desperate lol

[tardy smelt]

"newjeans will disappear from the fans' minds", after sticking by them as they went through hell? not a chance

[stable escarp]

is this from fraudor? or

[sage pilot]

it’s an article

[opaque torrent]

nvm both hearings for mhj vs belift/source music are jan 10

fortnite (unconfirmed) jan 14

[short laurel]

These reporters are making more noise about nj than nj themselves.

[tardy smelt]

noting Jan 10th on the calendar then, and i just mean dates related to this drama

[opaque torrent]

i tried to search google and one of the websites that reports on kpop news sourced jjinjins and sniper... the fuck? does anyone use primary sources anymore

[sage pilot]

it’s just ADOR/HYBE trying to scare nj through media, nothing new

[sage pilot]

that’s why international fans of kpop are fucked and so easily manipulated. we don’t even have 1 reliable source to check the info, but ppl who trust jjinjjins are on another lvl

[ashen charm]

can newjeans still promote?