NJZ Updates and Discussion

[red thorn]

Hybe 🤝 Dispatch

[sage pilot]

Well, it's a pretty biased translation blog with netizens reactions. They often post rage bait articles with a small audience just to get clicks, but with MHJ vs. HYBE, they're the only ones who are posting everything, even Hybe docs, unlike Twitter accounts like Kchartmaster.

[warm shard]

wow there's a single hybe warrior in the comments 😅

[short laurel]

There's always 1. N they always lose argument

[frozen bronze]

my lawyer opinion says its pure slop

[short laurel]

It's always funny to c knets throwing bsh la walk as argument lol

[warm shard]

There's a couple of regulars but it's just funny to see them work hard in real time

[short laurel]

Like some comments mentioned, if hybe think this is their proof of tempering, they should sue instead of spreading the proof in media

[warm shard]

wouldn't that require them to expose their source?

[short laurel]

Nj literally said to odor "sue me"

[frozen bronze]

im glad korean public opinion thinks a little more critically than the average english speaking kpop twitter user

[cerulean lake]

wait so what is up w this whole davolink thing? i’m confused

[jolly junco]

[sage pilot]

~t https://x.com/CakeDegg/status/1863498863924875746

[narrow seal]

241202 CakeDegg Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/CakeDegg/status/1863498863924875746
Now we know how scared HYBE was when they found out Hanni was going to attend the hearing—they paid Dispatch to stalk her
And it’s the same now, they are afraid NewJeans will terminate their contract, so the media play claiming that they has to pay a penalty /has to file a

[flint stone]

They stalked Hanni?!

[warm shard]

yes, before the national assembly

[wind monolith]

https://x.com/pannchoa/status/1863500539901931789?s=46

pannchoa (@pannchoa) on X

Knets wonder why Dispatch never released any dating rumors from HYBE
https://t.co/pt6QC9ca00

Twitter · Dec 2, 2024, 8:28 AM

That hybe money be hitting them thats y

[sleek crest]

[cosmic belfry]

I thought that's how it worked. They go to a company and ask for "considerations" so they don't drop the rumor. Other companies just don't pay.

[wind monolith]

Hybe=dispatch atp

[orchid field]

hanni got the iq200 foresight

[vague shore]

They already knew about it

[unborn jewel]

while i dont disagree, hybe is abyssmally predictable

[zinc geyser]

Newjeans been cookin

[jolly junco]

As fans, we must stay firm and not waver. We need to strongly believe in their viewpoint and spread their voice. Legally speaking, the contract has been terminated, so we must tell everyone that they are now free! HYBE has been trying for months to divide nj, mhj, the fans, and the parents, attempting to create rifts between any of these parties, but they have never succeeded. I believe that, of these four, the fans need constant reminders. Because fans once disliked mhj due to HYBE’s media tactics, but time and evidence have shown that everything she did was right! It is also nj’s persistence that has shown us that Mhj was right all along

[cerulean lake]

so basically dispatch is trying to accuse them of tampering by consulting w mhj and trying to make connections between mhj and davolink??

[steel depot]

hanni should study law in the future if she has free time.. girl is smart

[cerulean lake]

why don’t hybe just bring that to court then if they believe that helps their case

[upbeat stream]

Yeah just sue already

What are they waiting for?

[red thorn]

Ammo for public opinion war

[upbeat stream]

Public opinion will never be on their side, no matter what they say

[tired ingot]

where's the article hanni got stalked

[jolly junco]

well little 7 think otherwise

[heady gate]

It is mediaplay to distract ppl attention over the BSH coverage.

[upbeat stream]

Until our girls do something genuinely awful which we know they won't

[cerulean lake]

go on oannchoa to avoid going on the dispatch article

[zinc geyser]

Btw can they get paid back from the company?

[heady gate]

They supposed to

[cerulean lake]

ugh i need bsh face plastered all on major korea news sites

[lucid yarrow]

hmmmm i dont like this stalking thing at all they make any bs rumour

[upbeat stream]

I was surprised even chosun went after him

[cerulean lake]

it’s reaching to a level of seriousness when there is stalking involved low class behavior fr

[upbeat stream]

They have been hybe's lapdogs for the most part

[cerulean lake]

i’m waiting for team bunnies to respond or smth atp

[red thorn]

There's tokkis, company stans, and general public which opinions neutral/on the fence

[cerulean lake]

didn’t mhj’s representative say they would respond to this soon too?

[vague shore]

There’s a special law for stalking in Korea Someone’s going to jail

[heady gate]

Is it stalking or is it paparazzi?

[hoary frost]

i just saw a ktokki twt on this dispatch leak's flaw they say how can mhj preplanned all of this when all this is bcuz of hybes actions like she didnt tell that belift manager to say ignore hanni that brought her to the NA and its not her choice to be audited and kick out of the ceo position

[red thorn]

Don't even now the stalkers are reporters or mercenaries

[vague shore]

Isn't that the same thing

[unborn jewel]

paparazzi usually attend events where its public information that the people will be there

[red thorn]

True

[unborn jewel]

so, they stalkers, no other way to see it

[upbeat stream]

As I said before, mhj and nwjns meeting is totally ok

Doesn't mean anything in court if they can't show proof that investors pledged money

[vague shore]

MHJ said she had a stalker, so if it's the same person, it's a repeat offense which applies under the special law

[upbeat stream]

And so far, dispatch doesn't have it or else they would have revealed it

[cerulean lake]

aren’t they trying to paint that narrative but w davolink instead

[upbeat stream]

Dispatch themselves say in their article that they don't know if it's tampering or not

[cerulean lake]

oh no the reddit rats are already on it

[hoary frost]

funny how dispatch and hybe act like everybody doesnt know they are in cahoots

[vague shore]

They're trying to make something out of almost nothing So, they mix everything with no clear narrative

[warm shard]

they had the narrative already prepared for them so didn't need time to think

[sonic meadow]

Hybe forgot that karma is real

[heady gate]

In South Korea, stalking is indeed a crime. The country enacted an anti-stalking law in 2021 that criminalizes stalking behaviors

[lucid yarrow]

can never have good monday lol

[sonic meadow]

Me too

[unborn jewel]

can we beat the all time low record? 😍

[sonic meadow]

With bts disbanding in a few years or more sure

[tiny peak]

and BSH prison sentence

[sonic meadow]

Yep

[bold orchid]

whats happening to newjeans

[wind monolith]

Nothing

They chilling in japan 🇯🇵

[bold orchid]

oh

[jolly junco]

atp the girls gonna need a whole lot of bodyguard anywhere they go 😭

[wind monolith]

-disband

[tall dew]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/948918589602267186/1312007130093457459/image.png?ex=674aed5b&is=67499bdb&hm=99f14c7ff76ea2b1f3a2f04ead382e2a821d19a0e859ad42ddbc635c830d5b11&

[jolly junco]

i bet my head HYBE gonna keep stalking them just to get some dirt out of the girls

[wind monolith]

Theres literally nothing the girls r doing they just finishing the schedule 😭

[jolly junco]

yeah but thats the stalking goal, to keep stalk until they find something

[vague shore]

It's just HYBE trying to lock the gate after the horse has bolted

[wind monolith]

And their contract is terminated there free to do whatever they wont hybe cant do anything

[bold orchid]

at least they escaped hybe

[zinc geyser]

https://youtu.be/IyJDNcTMWRc?si=buKo82kEFjPB3Cn7

[bold orchid]

they prob cant use their music tho

[heady gate]

Create new music

[jade jolt]

~t
https://x.com/bunnydanidang/status/1863486766994657762

[narrow seal]

241202 bunnydanidang Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/bunnydanidang/status/1863486766994657762
우리 애들한테서 떨어져
Get out of here.

[wind monolith]

They can prbly rerecord there music in a year since BANA has rights

[bold orchid]

are there ppl who still support hybe

[jolly junco]

lets not worry about whats not happening now but just enjoy the taste of freedom that the girls achieved

[bold orchid]

yea

[zinc geyser]

Why is this still happening

[jolly junco]

LMAO

https://x.com/PoppyKPoppie/status/1863512141774672190

he got away.........

PoppyKPoppie (@PoppyKPoppie) on X

the fact that the FSS is not giving any sanctions to bang and his cohorts for that PEF contract during hybe's IPO and only stating that there was a "failure in the review process" only means that pig gets away with it. not even a slap on the wrist. these fuckers.

Twitter · Dec 2, 2024, 9:14 AM

[Official Statement from Min Hee-jin’s Legal Team]

Hello,

This is Macol Consulting Group, handling media communications on behalf of the law firm Sejong, which represents Min Hee-jin.

Min Hee-jin has filed a lawsuit with the Yongsan Police Station against former HYBE CEO Park Ji-won and HYBE Chief Communications Officer Park Tae-hee for violating the Information and Communications Network Act (hacking and communication violations), and against Dispatch reporters Kim Ji-ho and Park Hye-jin for defamation under the same law.

Since April, defendants Park Ji-won and Park Tae-hee have actively used illegally obtained private conversations, adding false facts to create negative public opinion about Min Hee-jin.

Dispatch reporters Kim Ji-ho and Park Hye-jin, fully aware of the malicious intent, have repeatedly published false information to defame Min Hee-jin.

Today, Kim Ji-ho and Park Hye-jin published another article that is completely contrary to the truth, without fact-checking, and added their own speculation to one-sided claims, producing false content.

Through this lawsuit, we hope a thorough investigation will expose the defendants' serious falsehoods and deceit, and that they will be held legally accountable.

https://theqoo.net/square/3510145029?page=1

[sage pilot]

there’s another investigation open, so there’s hope

[jolly junco]

MHJ side responded

no need for media play, straight to the court

[sage pilot]

park jiwon, park taehee, kim jiho, park hyejin jail 🔜

[jolly junco]

@modern fog need your help to pin this

[upbeat stream]

Very good statement

[jolly junco]

i think she's tired with the way HYBE playing

[tardy smelt]

nothing holding her back from dishing out lawsuits now, refreshing

[lucid yarrow]

wish lawsuits didn't take so long or we would have justice by now or atleast shut up some antis

[waxen musk]

Does the prison have enough space for all the Hybe and Dispatch people MHJ will put in there?

[orchid field]

they should be banned from the entertainment industry

[waxen musk]

Interesting that she was planning on suing them already and then they add some extra fuel to the fire today. Nice timing.

[raven kelp]

I had this shi recommended and how fast i clicked don't recommend channel after reading the first two comments...

It's the way these trolls are painting nwjns as some naive damsel in distress

[upbeat stream]

Isn't it ador's job to protect newjeans from stalking? If they think newjeans is still their artist, they need to sue dispatch as well

[jolly junco]

Seoul Central District Court should just make a special department to handle all of MHJ vs HYBE cases to speed up the process

[upbeat stream]

I want to see a criminal lawsuit against dispatch from ador. Do it bitch

[raven kelp]

with comments like how they don't know what theyre doing, or they should have hired a legal team and yada yada

[arctic swan]

~t
https://x.com/allkpop/status/1863381595467767827?t=IbApTNvSL_q9vQeoygOfEg&s=19

[narrow seal]

241202 allkpop Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/allkpop/status/1863381595467767827
HYBE Chairman #BangSiHyuk's secret IPO deal with private equity firms sparks controversy

https://www.allkpop.com/article/2024/12/hybe-chairman-bang-si-hyuks-secret-ipo-deal-with-private-equity-firms-sparks-controversy

[buoyant hamlet]

I just read the dispatch article, it's hilarious lmao
Min Hee-jin asked 4~5 men who could help her for a love spell. The shamans attempted to enter the bodies of the men in a shamanistic way.

[heady gate]

*x -c https://x.com/juantokki/status/1863516045916680614

[harsh dove]

@juantokki <t:1733131822:d>

Min Hee-jin Files Lawsuit Against Former HYBE Executives and Dispatch Journalists [Full Statement]
https://m.entertain.naver.com/article/241/0003398744
Reporter Park Se-yeon

Former ADOR CEO Min Hee-jin has filed criminal complaints against former HYBE CEO Park Ji-won and Chief Communications Officer Park Tae-hee for alleged violations of the Act on Promotion of Information and Communications Network Utilization and Information Protection (ICT Network Infringement). Additionally, Min has filed defamation complaints against Dispatch journalists Kim Ji-ho and Park Hye-jin.

On December 2, Min’s legal representatives stated, “Former CEO Min Hee-jin has filed complaints with the Yongsan Police Station against Park Ji-won and Park Tae-hee for violating ICT Network laws (including network intrusion), and against Dispatch journalists Kim and Park for defamation.”

Min’s legal team alleged, “Since April, Park Ji-won and Park Tae-hee have illegally obtained private conversations and added false information to actively fuel negative public opinion against Min Hee-jin.” They further stated, “Dispatch reporters Kim and Park, despite being fully aware of these intentions, repeatedly published false articles with the deliberate aim of defaming Min Hee-jin.”

Referring to the article Dispatch published on December 2, the team added, “Today, they once again wrote an article completely detached from the truth. Without conducting any fact-checking, they combined unilateral claims with their own conjectures to publish false information.”

Min Hee-jin’s legal representatives emphasized, “We hope this lawsuit will result in a thorough investigation that exposes the defendants’ severe falsehoods and deceit, and that they are held legally accountable for their actions.”

Full Statement from Min Hee-jin’s Representatives

Hello,

This is Macol Consulting Group, responsible for media communication on behalf of Min Hee-jin, in coo

[orchid field]

Shit written like a wattpad fanfic its so unrealistic and hard to believe the slightest 😂

[heady gate]

It is not Dispatch article. It is Shitpatch article.

[brazen ice]

tf does it even say

[sleek comet]

Is this real 😭

[heady gate]

Don't read anything from Dispatch

[jolly junco]

~t https://x.com/newjeansmoment/status/1863518786684342740

[narrow seal]

241202 newjeansmoment Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/newjeansmoment/status/1863518786684342740
South Korea's anti-stalking law, officially called the "Act on Punishment of Crimes of Stalking."

https://elaw.klri.re.kr/eng_mobile/viewer.do?hseq=63352&type=part&key=9

[hoary frost]

lol you know misogynistic incels wrote this because its everything they accuse of any women are a witch a hoe a gold digger they clearly know their target audience 😂

[orchid field]

valid

[neon igloo]

I read the entire article, including the photos. I'm shocked. They've been stalking the girls and MHJ all this time, only to end up with nothing substantial to hold against them, yet they publish an article revealing their private conversations and showing photos taken during stalking.

And some people think this is acceptable… It's madness.
All the claims in the article are essentially subjective because there’s no evidence to support any of it.

Hanni met with MHJ and a lawyer to discuss her visit to the National Assembly—so what? What’s wrong with that? Why can’t it be her own decision? What kind of nonsense is this?

MHJ knew about the September 11 emergency life. Okay, and what’s wrong with the parents of the girls and MHJ being aware of it? That was never even denied anywhere. The girls only clarified that they wrote the speech themselves, and the organization was helped by people they trust. That includes their parents, and it’s completely normal for 16–20 year-olds to trust their OWN parents!

This is such a dirty, disgusting publication

[short laurel]

wifi company lol

[jolly junco]

they were saying this is photoshoped

[short laurel]

video has legal experts saying it can be done. then there are comment in the video saying it's can't

[zinc geyser]

So the haters are lying to themselves

[short laurel]

this must be a joke.

[neon igloo]

lmao as an active Telegram user, I noticed that something was wrong

[split bramble]

jeff from alabama is a law student, he knows it cant be done and letting others know of it by commenting

[orchid field]

*x https://x.com/newjeans0422/status/1863530600172552464?s=46&t=FGOk5JcS6vsxMTTizzNPiQ

[harsh dove]

@newjeans0422 <t:1733135292:d>

[red thorn]

No way lool

[neon igloo]

btw, in Telegram it’s impossible to adjust the sharpness of the message bubble corners, only the colors can be changed

[split bramble]

ngl mhj has sublime fashion sense

[short laurel]

u not even need to photoshop to make something like this. anyone can make 2 accounts and write your own narrative. lol

[neon igloo]

yeaa, but in this case, it’s clearly an insertion, LMAO. They didn’t even bother to create duplicate accounts

[short laurel]

that's how stupid they are.

btw how many article on MHJ vs article on BSH today ?

[split bramble]

only the dispatch article, nobody else would dare post their version of it cause mhj is now free to sue whoever she wants

davolink owner probably had a very unrealistic dream of getting into kpop business and once mhj turned him down decided to lash out

[neon igloo]

https://imgur.com/KoANo1O

[red thorn]

But come to think of it, isn't Dp usually recreating chat display rather than provide actual ss

[short laurel]

i mean like naver posted dispatch article.

[sage pilot]

there’s many articles about dispatch’s leak, sadly ~t https://x.com/jgy9301/status/1863509551519297968?s=46

JGY-Newjeans (@JGY9301) on X

다음 22개, 네이버 30개
이게 뭔지 아십니까..?
2시간 동안 나온 민희진 대표님 기사들입니다. 죄다 비스무리한 제목과 내용입니다.
대체 얼마나 많은 기레기들이 하이브
한테 접대를 받아쳐 먹은 건지..!! 🤬 💢

Twitter · Dec 2, 2024, 9:04 AM

[split bramble]

shit

[jolly junco]

life as a bunnies this year

[flint stone]

What is davolink?

[split bramble]

some wifi bozos

[jolly junco]

a nugu router wifi company

[split bramble]

https://x.com/PoppyKPoppie/status/1863514601675194730

PoppyKPoppie (@PoppyKPoppie) on X

the fact that the Korea Exchange is not giving any sanctions to bang and his cohorts for that PEF contract during hybe's IPO and only stating that there was a "failure in the review process" only means that pig gets away with it. not even a slap on the wrist. these fuckers.

Twitter · Dec 2, 2024, 9:24 AM

[warm shard]

which ver is from the article? because i use telegram very often and my messages look like 1st picture

[jolly junco]

bottom is from dispatch

[cosmic belfry]

The Tweet is basically saying the stem and rounded corners are mismatched. You can have the left or the right version but not mixed like the Dispatch screenshots.

[warm shard]

on my phone the message is round like 1st picture, but the start/bottom iis flat like the 2nd picture

[cerulean lake]

can’t believe bsh is getting away w all of this this world is cooked when will justice be served 🤮

[warm shard]

at least i think so? i could send a picture but i don't know how to do it

[cosmic belfry]

Realistically it prob just depends on screen size.

[jolly junco]

i would have jump from 30th floor if that happens to me

7 months, i cannot imagine how she sleeps at night

[wintry rose]

Can some1 summarize for me pls im scared rn

[warm shard]

probably.. so i just wouldn't hold onto that argument. dispatch has edited messages before, they admitted to doing it and previous leaked messages don't seem to match the kakaotalk message structure either...

[jolly junco]

BSH: Hey i'm in deep shit right now, help me distract the public

Dispatch: gotcha

[red thorn]

My presumption dispatch just re-created telegram chat, just like the kkt chat leak before

[blazing sky]

Off topic but I just saw online that bsh got arrested is that true I trust y'all more than Twitter tbh

[raw thistle]

could you check if its bcs os difference? android/iOS

[jolly junco]

https://x.com/jnkarmantra/status/1863521233163497537 😭

Jennie's Catnipz (@jnkarmantra) on X

@PoppyKPoppie So hybe's former ceo's name is Jiwon & that dispatch reporter's name is Hye-jin?

Y'ALL THE ETA LYRICS OMFG

Twitter · Dec 2, 2024, 9:50 AM

[jolly junco]

no, he is still under investigation

[blazing sky]

Gotcha

[short laurel]

look at left side of msg bubble in 1st pic.

[neon igloo]

iOS

[warm shard]

this is what it looks like for me, miui/android

[hoary frost]

as an international tokki how can i help? :((

i feel so helpless rn... and i feel bad for the girls and mhj.

[neon igloo]

The Dispatch screenshot was taken on an Android device. What phone does MHJ use?

[hoary frost]

i think apple. because they're sponspored by apple right?

[warm shard]

iphone? but it was taken from someone else's pov

[short laurel]

ok mine is same as yours. just checked

[raw thistle]

all and all, trusting dispatch to begin with is big mistake lmao

[short laurel]

yea, doesn't matter if ss are photoshoped or not. all we need to know is that dispatch has no valid source.

[neon igloo]

Absolutely. The article lacks concrete substance and mostly reveals unethical practices, such as stalking MHJ and Hanni under the guise of journalism. It’s both invasive and unprofessional, further emphasizing the problematic nature of the piece rather than its credibility

But it's still funny, if MHJ's personal phone is iPhone, these screenshots become even more ridiculous

[short laurel]

apparently u can adjuct which bubble u want in ios and android.

[warm shard]

yep, you can adjust message corners

i didn't know that 😅 checked just now

[short laurel]

differentiating factor is that corner where bubble start

[raw thistle]

better tell the OP, don't want bunnies to get blamed on later

[short laurel]

someone already replied them but they didn't c

[cerulean lake]

i saw someone say that you can adjust it but the combo that dispatch put doesn’t work

[warm shard]

i don't have a public account but if someone wants to they can attach my screenshots or something lol

[short laurel]

someone said they can change that corner but i c no option.

[red thorn]

Don't matter anymore about chat pics
Most likely supposed to be re-created chat rather than actual screenshots

[cerulean lake]

the corners do not match what the boxes are

[jolly junco]

https://x.com/PoppyKPoppie/status/1863547016238014862

PoppyKPoppie (@PoppyKPoppie) on X

the fss and krx are two key institutions in south korea's financial system.
the main difference is the fss regulates financial institutions for market stability and investor protection, w/c looks over banks, insurers, and securities firms. meanwhile the krx operates south

Twitter · Dec 2, 2024, 11:33 AM

[warm shard]

look at what @neon igloo sent, might be android/ios difference

[jolly junco]

this is more important than chat bubble corner

[cerulean lake]

didn’t poppy the twt acc say he unfortunately got excused or smth 🤧 im hoping they still investigate him but knowing his connections the gov probably won’t do shit

[neon igloo]

we just need to focus on the fact that these messages were captured on an Android device

[raw thistle]

the backlash would be doubled

[wheat raft]

is korea lawless with these manipulative defamation

[short laurel]

like the link above said. krx said they won't do anything, but fss is still investigating.

[jolly junco]

@wheat raft

[wheat raft]

i wonder how long before any of these suits get concluded. I see them throwing lawsuits at each other but nothing conclusive yet

[short laurel]

in korea young teenagers live gets ruined for school bullying but adult rich guy bullying gets ignored.

[jolly junco]

the first lawsuit out of that many suit will happen on januari 10th

[wheat raft]

[jolly junco]

wait i have her tweet

[wheat raft]

1 month of media wars

i wonder how much can she claim for reputational damage

seems like hybes strategy is to spend the entire month destroying both mhj and newjeans

[short laurel]

https://x.com/thegreatgaram/status/1862560080602046874 lol

람짱 // ʀᴀᴍᴊᴊᴀɴɢ (@thegreatgaram) on X

THE GREAT MANIPULATOR MIN HEE JIN

So after her shaman saw that HYBE would one day plagiarize her group, MHJ began plotting her grand plan to escape HYBE with NewJeans.

First, she would groom NewJeans by hiring tutors so their education isn’t neglected, make sure they have

Twitter · Nov 29, 2024, 6:11 PM

[warm shard]

it always takes a while. my hearing happened 4-5 months after i filed and my lawyer said it was sooner than usual

[jolly junco]

https://x.com/thegreatgaram/status/1858606064209719307

is this the one you looking for?

람짱 // ʀᴀᴍᴊᴊᴀɴɢ (@thegreatgaram) on X

HYBE’S SINS: HOW HYBE BREACHED NEWJEANS’ TRUST

Twitter · Nov 18, 2024, 8:19 PM

[warm shard]

No, I remember she had another one... maybe try to go on her profile and search for mhj, moodboard

[jolly junco]

ah wait

[short laurel]

house pics one needs to be saved cuz people keep on using that as excuse to hate her.

[jolly junco]

https://x.com/thegreatgaram/status/1858969282853695730

X

Twitter · Nov 19, 2024, 8:23 PM

[warm shard]

If you look up mhj, it shows her tweets about the paintings on the walls

[red thorn]

No wonder hybe need to get their influence from media to politic, to save kpop from this grand manipulator, bsh daebak

[cerulean lake]

ugh i’m so tired of this

[hushed whale]

[short laurel]

this is offtopic but https://fxtwitter.com/dexerto/status/1863537215650852997 💀

[neon igloo]

left - andoid, right - iOS
Okay, I checked the same thing on an Android phone, and the messages are indeed displayed differently

[wheat raft]

IOS you can change the text bubble corners as well

[wintry rose]

What?

[harsh dove]

@CakeDegg <t:1733140523:d>

[neon igloo]

This could be replicated on both Android and iOS systems, but the key detail here is the specific shape at the bottom of the speech bubble

[warm shard]

So we need to find a traitor with Android phone 😈

[jolly junco]

please dont talk about this, we dont even mention it

[neon igloo]

If we’re being factual, she’s an adult woman... why does it even matter who she sleeps with....

[raw thistle]

then argument about "photoshopped" bubble chat shouldn't be used to begin with, could backlash

[jolly junco]

yeah i know, but its disgusting

[wheat raft]

the corner pointy thing? i think we can change that in IOS as well

either way not gna dwell on this, just hope tokkis dont spread wrong justifications yeh

[neon igloo]

at least they weren’t 30 years younger than her

[wheat raft]

Kinda screwed that they stalked hanni just to take pics to manipulate and use against them

[jolly junco]

it was meant for sarcasm about BJ Juice

[neon igloo]

it's crazy yea

[wheat raft]

honestly feeling very bad for the girls

if i recall there are many such incidents to other idols and they often arent protected from these

whats korea law doing man

[jolly junco]

i feel bad for the girls, but even more for MHJ tbh

its like HYBE literally wants to kill her but dont want to dirty their hands

[warm shard]

I would be surprised if it was just that one day that they followed her. MHJ mentioned that taxi chase, I worry for the girls

[neon igloo]

no, we cannot change the corner itself if we keep the messages rounded on iOS

So far, our claim about the fake screenshots hasn’t been confirmed. The only thing we can definitively state is that the device used is Android

[raw thistle]

[neon igloo]

I'm surprised that global fans of other groups, instead of reacting to the stalking and the leaking of personal conversations, are spreading news about how MHJ supposedly deceived everyone again. It's madness! They were being followed outside their schedule, this is not normal

[short laurel]

I like how these incident when happened to other groups, their fandom focus on all the wrong thing, but in nj case Tokkies are actually taking action n focusing on real issues

[red thorn]

I think they wouldn't dare enough to post actual phone ss (if they truly have it), so the most they could do is to recreate/reconstruct the chat

[warm shard]

didn't they do that before as well? with the kakaotalk messages. does the new article mention anything about the messages being 'reconstructed'?

[wheat raft]

hmm you may be right. Its a little too subtle for me to come to a conclusion but its possible. the pics from dispatch does look more rounded than it should. But idk

[red thorn]

Don't think so, doesn't mention it's ss too
I'd think that posting the actual phone ss is more blatant violation

[wheat raft]

ok yes same for telegram desktop

and the pointyness, padding etc. are sus

ngl i think they should hire me instead im pretty sure i could do a better job...smh these villains can't even do a good job

But i guess they don't need to, since all the brainlets will eat it up anyway

[warm shard]

Depends on how they obtained it, no? If someone gave them the messages willingly... Either way, I think they might be real as were previous leaked messages but taken out of context
Or... another possibility they just named one of the contacts MHJ and made a fake conversation lol

[neon igloo]

Unfortunately, if you view Telegram on Android, you will get the same type of screenshot as from Dispatch. So, for now, it's difficult to argue about forgery

[wheat raft]

tough

[neon igloo]

example of what happens if you slightly sharpen the corners on iOS

[wheat raft]

yes, but actually thats the max it could go

what about android tho

[warm shard]

I sent it before

[wheat raft]

ah ok pretty round

aight can't use this as debunking then

[raw thistle]

all big acc already qrt them

[neon igloo]

that’s why I’m saying, for now, we can only confidently claim that it’s an Android device

[jolly junco]

ok so after thorough investigation, was it photoshoped or not

[wheat raft]

tbf we'll never know unless somehow in court they could verify or smth

[neon igloo]

we can’t definitively say whether it’s Ph or not.
I think we can only wait for MHJ to release the original conversation

[arctic swan]

watch out 👀 antis are watching y'all here😂

[sage pilot]

why does it matter if it's photoshopped or not? they could have easily re-create/fake this amongst themselves

[raw thistle]

isnt, my point is twitter tokkis use that as justification

[neon igloo]

Let them watch all they want, it doesn’t matter to us. Bunnies won’t stop supporting the NewJeans girls bcs of some silly article that has no facts, only evidence of stalking

[jolly junco]

what he meant was he's afraid it could backfire to some big tokkis account for spreading this false fact

true

[neon igloo]

uh, then we probably need to inform them about this in replies on X

[short laurel]

Tell them then. One big account here @sage pilot yui doesnt look like photoshop n use ss twt can backfire. Just talk about dispatch not having proper source.
Tell other big accounts like that

[jolly junco]

are you guys from western part of the world? because afaik asian rarely use telegram

[short laurel]

Asians do use telegram alot. In sea n south.

[jolly junco]

fr?

i only heard that telegram is used for shady business. not for everyday chatting platform

[warm shard]

It's used a lot in Eastern Europe

[short laurel]

Not as main msg medium among family n friends but for important groups, news n stuff.

[neon igloo]

As far as I’ve heard, Telegram isn’t very popular in Korea, but it’s widely used in the rest of the world, particularly in Europe

[jolly junco]

yeah because afaik korean use KKT as their main chat platform, japan use LINE, china use wechat, and most asean use Whatsapp

[short laurel]

That's propaganda cuz they couldn't break the encryption n telegram not adding backdoor lol

[warm shard]

Judging by the recent dates perhaps they switched to telegram because it's more private than kkt

[arctic swan]

I suggest that those of you who are top contributors to this thread—who are knowledgeable about the issue and consistently active—consider creating a private chat to discuss this. Specifically, it could be a space to strategize on how to refute the leaked chats. This platform may not be secure for such discussions, and by keeping it public, you're giving others an opportunity to observe and adapt to your rebuttals. A private setting would prevent them from using this thread to their advantage.

[jolly junco]

but i always heard that if you want some shady business then use telegram, so every asian know this telegram are used for that

[neon igloo]

In Russia, there are even official Telegram channels for major brands, marketplaces, and etc. They use it as one of their channels for communication with customers

[short laurel]

Seen shady work done in whatsapp. Not much difference.

[jolly junco]

LMAO jjinjins might be lurking in here 👀

[arctic swan]

That's not impossible

[neon igloo]

Telegram also requires a phone number, so for such shadow businesses, any messaging app where only a phone number is needed to log in would be suitable

[modern fog]

YO JJINJINS FUCK U

[arctic swan]

Or maybe his minions too

[modern fog]

[short laurel]

There are better platforms than telegram for the shady work u are thinking of.

[warm shard]

Didn't minions famously cause their masters to fail 😅 Much to think about...

[jolly junco]

*x -c https://x.com/juantokki/status/1863569446977273873

[harsh dove]

@juantokki <t:1733144554:d>

A post about NewJeans from Seodamhwa, a hanbok designer who worked on NewJeans’ 2023-2024 Chuseok hanbok photoshoots and the hanboks for their performance at Gyeongbokgung’s Geunjeongjeon.

https://theqoo.net/square/3510361756

Seodamhwa:

“I don’t really know much about idols, but the moment NewJeans debuted, I watched their first music video and became such a huge fan. I would listen to their songs and watch their music videos every day on my commute. Then, one day, a photoshoot proposal came my way. I really wanted to pour my heart and soul into it, out of sheer fan devotion.

That’s how I ended up working with our beautiful and kind girls for two Chuseok photoshoots over two years and even for their Geunjeongjeon music video. Once I gave my heart, it’s not easy for that affection to fade away. After shooting with NewJeans, I received countless offers for other girl group photoshoots, but I turned them all down. That was my own selfish decision because I wanted to focus on making hanboks for NewJeans every Chuseok while they are active. I wanted to continue working with them for a long time.

Today, I went to work and was touching up the hanboks we made for this year’s Chuseok photoshoot. Suddenly, I felt such a strong longing for them because the girls are so kind and lovable behind the scenes. Hanni, who reads a lot of books… Minji, who is always bright… Hyein, who is quiet… Haerin, who loves deep thoughts… and Danielle, who laughs a lot.

I know it’s a tough time, but I hope they endure well. I’ll pray that we can meet again next year. Fighting! ♡”

#NewJeans #뉴진스
#NEWJEANS_NEVER_DIE

[jolly junco]

After shooting with NewJeans, I received countless offers for other girl group photoshoots, but I turned them all down. That was my own selfish decision because I wanted to focus on making hanboks for NewJeans every Chuseok while they are active.

another unc shin in the making

[short laurel]

Mod using language

[jolly junco]

FUCK HYBE

[sweet pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meme-gif-14922675818058709477

[jolly junco]

dont worry i dont think jjinjins can read all our chat in here, we yap too much just like MHJ and he need to translate everything we said before he can understand

[short laurel]

There are alot of underdogs in various art fields that barely get recognition for their work n no big company see them, mhj knows so many of them n actively worked with them.

[neon igloo]

The only thing that makes me suspect this chat might be fake is the fact that Telegram allows messages to be easily set for auto-deletion. If MHJ and the parents were discussing something truly sensitive, they could have used a chat with automatic message deletion

[short laurel]

In the 1st place they wouldn't use telegram. Kkt works intl

[warm shard]

Seems like the original post got deleted?

[short laurel]

Which one?

[raw thistle]

ktokkis post

[warm shard]

About the chat being photoshopped

[short laurel]

Ooh good

[neon igloo]

Faking conversations is far too easy, so without concrete evidence, this is all just speculation
for example, lmao (sorry jhin)

[sage pilot]

they’re already arguing about it, but it wouldn’t matter either way. the text is in bold, the quality of the pic is crusty. antis on twitter will believe everything against MHJ/NJ either way

[sage pilot]

what do you know, spill

[modern fog]

i will sue u

[stiff prairie]

azarellka could do the funniest shit ever rn

[neon igloo]

and it's really easy

[jolly junco]

But its interesting to see MHJ thought if they communicate with kkt HYBE will illegally obtain it again like before, so they resorting to use telegram instead and still HYBE got it again

[rain spade]

you should change the telegram text in our favor and post it

[warm shard]

someone leak messages between bsh and scooter

[jolly junco]

Atp MHJ should just pen write a letter and use an owl to deliver the letter just like harry potter

[neon igloo]

AHAHAHA

[jolly junco]

Fr its like she doesnt have any privacy in her life, at all

[neon igloo]

Leaked Telegram conversations are indeed alarming. If spyware was installed on her phone, it could explain how the messages were accessed and provide grounds for legal action

[short laurel]

or write msges in morse code orsomething

[sage pilot]

Didn’t they claimed one of the fathers leaked it?

[short laurel]

that wifi company made quite the claim in dispatch article. that's a problem

[warm shard]

I think it might not be her, but a family member. Maybe even from that davolink company... I think she might be more careful by now where family members might not

[neon igloo]

it seems nearly impossible

[short laurel]

do we know what those msges are ? i forgot

[sage pilot]

mhj masterminding everything behind the scenes, like the girls’ broadcast on yt

[neon igloo]

well, if they accessed their employee’s phone, it can still be considered a leak of personal information

[raw thistle]

also could be taken out of context

[short laurel]

ok about claim it's being taken from parents. i read the msges in pannchao. why would MHJ say all that to girls parents ?

[wintry rose]

chat on a scale from 1-10 how cooked is the situation rn

[jolly junco]

You mean HYBE cooked?

[short laurel]

about calling girls "immature"

[sage pilot]

🤷‍♀️ they’re making a point that mhj is the main manipulator on planet earth and uses the girls to do her bidding

[short laurel]

like this part doesn't make sense that this happened between mhj and parents.

[wheat raft]

used very often in SEA for sure. Main mode of communication for me and my friends actually.

[rain spade]

they're roasted till is darker than my future

[stiff prairie]

depends on country. whatsapp is more popular many places

[sage pilot]

nah it’s a different point about how horrible and two-faced she is. the same case when they were trying to say mhj called the girls fat and dumb, meanwhile she was talking about bsh

[warm shard]

Are there even screenshots of these messages? Dispatch could as well have her cite Wicked lyrics... And the last time she talked about people being stupid, Lee Jinho claimed it was about NJ while Dispatch said it's about BSH

[short laurel]

who made this comment i m really confused. cuz if parents telling this to dispatch implies parent think of girls like that? this portion just doesn't make sense to me.

[warm shard]

They claim MHJ made these comments. I don't know when or where, maybe while communicating with parents... which would be stupid of her because why would she insult the girls in front of their families?

[short laurel]

exactly. it doesn't make sense

[sage pilot]

ig it’s not the messages to the parents, just random stuff (they came up with)

[wheat raft]

its sad how much damage can fake screenshots cause to a person’s reputation. Especially in this industry.

[short laurel]

well that's obvious. i m asking what dispatch is trying to claim here

[wheat raft]

And whether its proven or not it take months. By then the damage is already done

[sage pilot]

you’re putting way too much brain power to this, it’s been made for the ppl with a single digit IQ

[short laurel]

ohk xD

[stiff prairie]

didn't know mhj alr sued dispatch reporters as well

Min Hee-jin has filed a lawsuit with the Yongsan Police Station against former HYBE CEO Park Ji-won and HYBE Chief Communications Officer Park Tae-hee for violating the Information and Communications Network Act (hacking and communication violations), and against Dispatch reporters Kim Ji-ho and Park Hye-jin for defamation under the same law.

[short laurel]

yea that report from MHJ legal team felt like they were ready to announce it today and after dispatch post they added to it.

[rain spade]

faster than hybe can sue nj

[stiff prairie]

i'm pretty sure hybe actually wants nj to file lawsuit against them first

[split bramble]

probably hyein's uncle again, man wanted a quick buck by seeing if mhj, newjeans could be persuaded to jump to wifi company and once he got rebuffed stole his sister's phone to screengrab few stuff

[neon igloo]

it sounds ridiculous, why would an uncle sabotage his own niece?

[split bramble]

life taught me there's nothing people wouldnt do for couple bucks, instead of being happy for his niece he'll think about how to profit from it

[neon igloo]

It's funny how, when JK posted on ig, everyone claimed his account was hacked, even though people could see the post with their own eyes. But when cropped screenshots are released without any cited source, everyone immediately believes the content

[elfin pewter]

Sorry what happened?

[tired ingot]

I just want everything back to normal, fuck

[neon igloo]

That could certainly be the case, but I still want to believe in people...

[split bramble]

• hyein's uncle facilitated a meeting between davolink(some smalltime wifi company) and mhj
• that company made the uncle a board member as reward
• mhj rebuffed them after taking the meeting
• uncle got kicked from board
• owner of company went crying to dispatch

[red thorn]

I think those are messages are flashback/callback from past kkt chat

[elfin pewter]

Ah thanks
I just read one article, probably the dispatch one you guys are talking about
But with auto translation
Can I please get the link of the properly translated article?

[split bramble]

hybe let dispatch run with it cause they know they cant incriminate mhj, newjeans with any of the findings, so hoping for public opinion swing by releasing half baked stuff

[split bramble]

idk if any tokki account have translated it, i wouldnt trust incel translations out there

[arctic swan]

Let’s stop calling it a 'leak' chat.' It’s fake and edited.

[neon igloo]

In any case, I don’t see anything wrong with discussing potential investment opportunities, especially when you’ve already stepped down from the CEO

[elfin pewter]

Wait, is this something serious?
Could it possibly affect NewJeans’ next steps, or is it just old stuffs?

[neon igloo]

Most of it is just gossip without any real substance. However, there’s clear evidence of stalking targeting MHJ and Hanni

[wintry rose]

doesnt the blatant stalking incriminate dispatch to the point they might go to jail? isnt stalking illegal?

[red thorn]

Hybe want this to be tampering scenario to paint it as no different than ftyfty

[elfin pewter]

I mean, bunnies wouldn’t be surprised by the fact that the members never lose contact with MHJ. She’s the person they trust and rely on. What are they trying to disclose? Definitely not to us.

[wheat raft]

https://x.com/minjigongjunim1/status/1863581079774408852

🐰👖🙅🎲 (@minjigongjunim1) on X

This Dispatch article is especially hilarious because if, as ADOR claims, the contract is still valid, they have to sue Dispatch for defamation to protect Hanni (their artist). By not doing it (and also being Hybe the leaker) they are acknowledging NJ are no longer Hybe artists

Twitter · Dec 2, 2024, 1:48 PM

[neon igloo]

Key points from the article: (my opinion)

• MHJ knew about the emergency live broadcast.
  Evidence: A chat with the parents, where they ask her what time the girls will begin the emergency live.
  My opinion: The girls themselves mentioned during the broadcast that they decided to organize this meeting with people they trust, which could include MHJ. There’s nothing wrong with this.

• MHJ met with Hyein's uncle and the company Davolink to discuss potential investments in NewJeans if they could leave HYBE.
  Evidence: Photos of MHJ and Hyein’s uncle, proving she was under constant surveillance.
  My opinion: She was exploring possible options, which is perfectly reasonable.

• Hanni visited MHJ on October 8 to discuss her National Assembly speech with a lawyer, ahead of her Phoning update on October 9.
  Evidence: A photo of Hanni with MHJ, further confirming stalking of both Hanni and MHJ.
  My opinion: Hanni delivered the speech on her own. In her Phoning message, she mentioned that her managers weren’t informed but didn’t say anything about MHJ.

• Unsubstantiated workplace relationship rumors about MHJ.
  My opinion: That’s not anyone’s business.

Overall conclusion:
The article seems to be a baseless attempt to stir controversy and does little more than reveal stalking against MHJ and Hanni.

[wheat raft]

lmao ador will definitely not protect hanni

[neon igloo]

AHAHA REAL

[sonic meadow]

My delusion self thought that this was real (I hope it becomes real)

[hoary frost]

Hybe saying MHJ slept her way to the top is especially funny since, oh wait, Hybe hired her!! so what are they saying exactly about themselves? Such a stupid company

[neon igloo]

No, wait, they'll respond with something like: "This is a third-party matter, there's nothing we can do"

[sonic meadow]

Or even they won’t respond LMAO

[wheat raft]

basically not protecting them

strengthens newjeans case (if any)

[elfin pewter]

Thanks. Yeah, that’s what I want to say. The first and third points - aren’t they just common sense, or is it just me?

On day one, I blamed MHJ for bringing the girls onto the battlefield.
But I’ve learned from NewJeans that life isn’t a flawless journey but the one full of battles and wars to fight.
Since then, I’ve started learning how to support them not as the NewJeans I want to see, but as the NewJeans they truly are. My delulu fan life was dead.
And the girls seem to enjoy these battles. That’s a bonus, .
I have no choice but to support them and learn from them. Such brave girls.

[vague shore]

NJ held a press conference before leaving for Japan for a reason They knew HYBE would start their media play once NJ was out of Korea It seems HYBE’s plan was to accuse tampering and escalate it into a public opinion war if NJ filed an injunction, but NJ cut straight to terminating the contract instead So that plan didn’t work, but HYBE had to push it through anyway because of Bang’s dodgy IPO news
I think there’s more to come from Team Bunnies

[raw thistle]

timing and intentions

why they release that photo of hanni now instead of back then

[tired ingot]

they knew it

[vague shore]

HYBE went all in to counter NJ filing an injunction
That davolink story had been creating a stir even back in september so they've planned it all out But luckily, the girls outsmarted them

[midnight yarrow]

First time posting on any channel in this discord. I just wanted to point out that HYBE only proved how desperate and incompetent they are. All this hit piece did was rile up the Korean public against them even more and give NewJeans more proof that HYBE and FRAUDOR have failed in their duties to protect them per the now terminated contract. Good luck proving otherwise if this goes to court, when they're asked why they allowed for the members to be stalked and why they didn't put out one statement condemning this article

[stiff prairie]

guys i think we just need to not give it anymore attention. by talking about it more it just fulfills hybe and dispatch's purpose. they are already sued and all we can do is wait for them to get convicted that's all

[vague shore]

Yep but we gotta watch out for the pattern when it's a planned attack by HYBE

[vapid turret]

I keep seeing articles on Reddit and people bashing the girls on tiktok saying MJH was exposed or something what did I miss?

Something about dispatch?

[elfin pewter]

#1231839760759263232 message

[hearty stone]

nothing new

[blazing sky]

So lemme get this straight- dispatch showed all this information but is inherently proving that they stalked mhj and hanni? So if ador/hybe does nothing they are continuing to break the contract by not protecting the artists from literal STALKING??

my mind is blown everyday more stuff comes up I stg

[sleek crest]

[blazing sky]

I hope hannis doing okay tbh finding out that you were legit stalked for months cannot be good at all for mental health especially with everything going on

How is this stalking even legal??

[midnight yarrow]

the important thing is to remember that reddit is a toxic and honestly irrelevant echo chamber and they're the only ones obsessing over the article

Korea is not falling for it at all and that's way more important for the path ahead

[short laurel]

inaction means not protecting the artists hence breach of contract.

[waxen musk]

No big updates or changes since the article and MHJ suing people, right?

[vague shore]

It’d be so sweet if those from Dispatch spilled the HYBE connection to get a lighter sentence

[hoary frost]

im so confused though. since when did hanni say she didnt meet mhj...

[waxen musk]

I know this is a minor thing but I was thinking how there's just no way the girls would be able to go live on an existing social media platform to speak to Bunnies any time soon without a wave of disgusting people joining and commenting.

[hoary frost]

like what did dispatch try to tell us lmai

[waxen musk]

I miss Phoning already.

When will Tokkis learn to stop posting screenshots of Sniper? I really don't want to see that shit.

[hoary frost]

ohh okay so what I'm getting is that dispatch stalked hanni and mhj

[waxen musk]

Yep

[hoary frost]

Fucking weirdos

I know sniper is going to have fun with this on Twitter, how come that bitch isn't banned yet?

[vapid turret]

Including more mean threads on reddit like this. https://www.reddit.com/r/kpop_uncensored/comments/1h4u6gm/tokkis_are_really_coping_i_know_this_doesnt_apply/

[mental lynx]

Me too I hate this kid

[waxen musk]

Stay off reddit. Why are you posting links to that nightmare place?

[split bramble]

dont spend time there, negative energy not good for sound life

[vapid turret]

I just don't know what to believe anymore!

[waxen musk]

The girls.

[vapid turret]

Curls up into ball and cries

[split bramble]

stay strong champ

[hushed whale]

[split bramble]

[hoary frost]

Twitter and Reddit are earths hellpits

[faint oyster]

If none of this had happened, the new album would be out now

fk hybe

[vapid turret]

If only HYBE and ADOR just let everything be like last year.

[waxen musk]

As much as we all wish for things to go back to how they were back in 2023, things were never good behind the scenes since debut. We just didn't know about it until this year. It wouldn't have lasted.

Just know things will be better for all of them now.

[arctic swan]

Antis are trying to use the photos of Min Hee Jin and Hanni meeting up against them, but to me, it just shows they’re working on something exciting. They’re probably nervous about NewJeans having even bigger plans for the future. If the rumors about Min Hee Jin and her connection to another company are true, it might mean NewJeans could still make a comeback without HYBE, and that would explain their frustration

[vague shore]

The girls didn't express it, but just imagining how many lies and acts of sabotage NJ had to endure completely boggles my mind

[vapid turret]

I wonder what would've happened if they were under a different company?

Rumor has it that Jennie from Blackpink may take them under her new company or something like that but I'm happy Jennie supports the girls.

It was their IG story where Jennie sent them a cake so I know at least half of Blackpink is on their side. If Lisa comes out to support the girls it's all over for HYBE's PR team.

[arctic swan]

~t
https://x.com/NewJeansMuseum/status/1863583753928392752?t=Ijrqg8j_mmJdk4km6E6WHw&s=19 We need to stream more to show them that this won’t affect us; instead, it will only make us stronger

NewJeans Museum (@NewJeansMuseum) on X

NewJeans has re-entered the Spotify Global Chart at #192 for 611 non-consecutive days on the chart

They have returned to 5M+ Daily Streams https://t.co/asUXr70JZJ

Twitter · Dec 2, 2024, 1:59 PM

[short laurel]

many big names supports NJ. GP is on NJ side. hybe PR is long done. they are jsut copign with mediaplay. nothing will change from current situation until we get results from lawsuit.

[wind monolith]

Hybe should have hired me to photoshop i could have done a better job

[midnight yarrow]

Reddit is a total joke. The same obsessed haters using MHJ hugging Hanni some gotcha moment are the same ones yapping about how MHJ plan to abandon them. They can't even pick a narrative and all their cope articles and hit pieces are sourced from boomer toxic incels on gp99

Don't lose sleep over that article. It's just more ammo for NewJeans to prove they're not being protected or valued in FRAUDOR

[blazing sky]

so i was just askin this question and it got blocked lmao- i truly dont think its a good idea to but i wasnt sure what this server thought (also i dunno what any of it means tbh i dont know if what i said was crypto 😭)

[modern fog]

it's because of the word boy

cott

lol

automod

[blazing sky]

ohh

but ye people on tik tok are spreading that what do u guys think ? i dont know if its really the right time to tbh, but ive been hearing conflicting info

[cerulean lake]

the average iq on reddit has tremulously dropped to the negatives on there ever since this feud started so i avoid that place like a plague

[hoary frost]

[modern fog]

[buoyant hamlet]

[sly python]

https://tenor.com/view/newjeans-hanni-kpop-hanni-pham-new-jeans-gif-4834459067707034815

[midnight yarrow]

No, I'm not pardoning the behavior I see on reddit. The conversation here has been mostly sane and respectful for the past 8 months. I'm quiet here but very involved elsewhere. Same for the NewJeans subreddit. The other K-Pop subreddits have been saying the absolutely most vile things about the girls for months, and me calling it an echo chamber is letting them off easy honestly.

[hoary frost]

idk newjeans said they support mhj so ima just trust them cuz clearly they know more abt the situation better than us

[stable escarp]

For an industry that feeds off of reputation and their stans being one indication, reddit is absolutely filthy

[midnight yarrow]

The megathreads/subreddits all have rules against attacking artists and fandoms, but that's 95% of what I read there. I wouldn't recommend any Bunny go there if they value their sanity

[stable escarp]

I have never seen so much toxicity in one place as a collective that is in so much denial and para social thoughts its kinda insane

[midnight yarrow]

Also, those subreddits have ALWAYS been shady towards NewJeans. I could make a "I love NewJeans" post in March and get downvotes. Now they have an easy excuse to be open about how much they hate them. Pay them all no mind

[stable escarp]

They geniuinely hate the girls and its from the very start of this whole drama

[midnight yarrow]

They hated them before that

I've made two pretty popular posts on reddit pre-drama celebrating NewJeans 2023 and one other celebrating their debut album becoming the most streamed girl group ever. So many reddit bunnies reached out and thanked me for saying something positive there

So yeah, it's always been an anti-NJ culture outside of the NJ subreddit

[lucid yarrow]

all antis out of the wood work just having fun that all no point in going there, I just go there for all head line dont read any comments

[midnight yarrow]

it all comes back to jealousy at the end of the day. That's why I roll my eyes at all the virtue signaling

somehow reddit has become even more toxic than twitter. It's insane

[neon igloo]

let's chill

[warm shard]

Let's just stop mentioning Reddit, it won't do anything productive

[sage pilot]

I’d understand the point you’re trying to make better if today’s info were a critical piece that would provide us with at least a decent level of journalism. Today’s Dispatch article is not the case. No amount of “shady” behaviour justifies slut-shaming and stalking.

And your point about Reddit is simply untrue. Tokkis has been literally bullied off that platform because the mods/users are banning/downvoting to the oblivion anyone who’s not on Hybe’s side. And you want to say this Discord is worse? Just today redditors have been speculating about Haerin and how she’s about to pull a Keena. There are literally multiple threads name-calling both NJ and MHJ. Go look at the messages yourself. “Behave toward others how you want them to behave toward you” doesn’t work on them.

[midnight yarrow]

I'm all for not giving them anymore time or energy. I'm just concerned for Bunnies who keep going there and expecting not to see pure hatred towards the girls

[warm shard]

Also this discord being an echo chamber makes sense (we are NJ fans), but Reddit kpop subreddits should be rather neutral in their reporting. Meanwhile I saw people suggesting weird things about Dani and MHJ
I agree about not calling people names and I also think if you guys are just annoyed by Reddit... don't go on there. Looking once in a while makes sense but they're mainly pro Hybe, it's like going to the bathroom and expecting a fridge to be there. Just makes no sense

[midnight yarrow]

if you value your mental health, just don't visit there unless it's the NJ subreddit, which is very peaceful and mostly objective

[dapper root]

morten you should have seen some of the names they called me in here 😭😭

[hoary frost]

No ❤️

Sounds nice but it’s too idealistic and not grounded in reality

[dapper root]

ttue

i dont want any name calling

ive seen tokki’s be very toxic online especially against gllits

and its stupid

even some juantokki posts would allude to something even close to illlit and its toxic city

[neon igloo]

One thing must be clear: stalking and harassment are not normal, especially when it involves time outside of scheduled activities

[dapper root]

are we getting mad at dispatch for being dispatch tho honestly

im against the invasion of privacy of course but when your a public figure and you go anywhere in public

theres gonna be some photos of you

[blazing sky]

this ^^ when did it become normalized for paparazzi/dispatch to be stalking young girls? this is global too. its been a thing forever but doesnt mean that its right

[dapper root]

true

[midnight yarrow]

there is no such thing as a toxicity free fandom in K-Pop. Every fandom has its bad actors.

But I don't think we should be using "both sides have been bad" rhetoric when it comes to how certain individuals have behaved towards NewJeans and Bunnies. I'll leave it at that.

[sage pilot]

“Stalking has been happening since forever” doesn’t mean it’s okay and can be justified because of that. It’s also not okay to stalk regular civilians, like MHJ at the moment or NJ’s family members. So your argument isn’t working.

[neon igloo]

Toxic individuals exist in every fandom, it's important to stay smarter and calmer than them. But Reddit is a really toxic platform

[dapper root]

everywhere is toxic

[midnight yarrow]

Reddit got brigaded by a certain fandom and it's never been the same since. And even before that, they were openly hostile to NewJeans. Don't forget the ETA fiasco. Just have zero expectations for balanced discourse there.

[upbeat stream]

Reddit always goes hard in one direction, on every issue

The same thing happened with Israel/Palestine

Yes but their families are definitely civilians

[wind monolith]

Ah so let the members suffer dont help them ?

[sage pilot]

That’s not what I said. I called MHJ and NJ’s family members regular civilians, not the girls

[frozen bronze]

i dont see what your overall point is here morten

i agree that name calling is stupid but what are you saying about dispatch

[sage pilot]

It’s HYBE that has started all this

[midnight yarrow]

MHJ has not been a saint, but HYBE has been worse than the devil. That's my stance on things. Only one of them has shown to actually care about NewJeans and proven it, while the other has proven the exact opposite time and time again

[frozen bronze]

everyone knows this

[upbeat stream]

What was dispatch attempting to do? That's the big question

[frozen bronze]

they want to make it seem like mhj told hanni what to say

[upbeat stream]

At this point, hybe and dispatch surely know public opinion will not turn, no matter what

[split marsh]

reveal the truth

[sage pilot]

We’re already two injunctions in, HYBE lost the first one. Should be obvious.

[midnight yarrow]

That would suggest HYBE have any level of competence. The past 8 months have shown us they don't.

[blazing sky]

what has knets been saying about the dispatch article? has public opinion actually changed?

[wind monolith]

????? What dispatch released is not the truth

[upbeat stream]

Use it in court, this only gives ammo to nwjns case

[frozen bronze]

they are saying if this is so damning why dont they sue her

[midnight yarrow]

No. This just turned the Korean public against them even more, especially in light of the 400 billion won fraud BSH may be on the hook for

[upbeat stream]

No it hasn't and it can't. Guys remember this is a 7 month conflict. People's views have precipitated

Then what's the point?

[blazing sky]

i wasnt expecting it to change, i have just seen a LOT more people talking about it since the article so i wasnt sure if tensions have risen or if people are still holding ground to support them

[lucid yarrow]

yeah im just waiting if MHj is the big evil from the courts then im fking out but till this day all im getting is media plays from hybe so whats u point dispatch is the one that release NJ video's u know they are trying to smear them with another

[midnight yarrow]

No dispatch smearing campaign will change public opinion at this point

[upbeat stream]

Use it in court, the reason why dispatch leaks were so helpful in 5050 case was because public turned against them

That ain't happening here

[lucid yarrow]

yeah what she said is betrayal but she didnt do shit hybe accuse her of

[frozen bronze]

why do you think she was thinking of leaving that company

[neon igloo]

No one is claiming that MHJ is a saint, but I encourage you to form an opinion about her not from Dispatch articles, but by watching her interviews. She is an incredibly intelligent and well-read woman with extensive knowledge of classical music. Such a person should not be labeled as foolish

[lucid yarrow]

u can't talk shit about ur work in privte now??

[upbeat stream]

Again, what was dispatch's intention? Was it a final desperate attempt to scare newjeans into submission? If so I think it'll fail miserably

[blazing sky]

i remember commenting on a tiktok vid that flamed hanni saying "if i was being bullied/harrassed at work, i would go to HR. if HR didnt do anything, id look for a new job. why cant nwjns do the same?" and people calling me 12 and "never had a job in my life before" apparently-

[frozen bronze]

they want to get the attention away from bsh 400b shenanigans

[upbeat stream]

Because nothing would alienate them more than hybe paying to professionallly stalk them and spy on their every move

[sage pilot]

They said “it could be one”. And “betrayal” isn’t a legal term. ~t https://x.com/cato_o_o/status/1798305374375952755?s=46

Cato_o_o (@cato_o_o) on X

Former judges describes why the term “betrayal” was used by the court that the HYBE stans are using now as a crutch to justify somehow HYBE’s loss still means MHJ bad.

Excerpt from article titled

“HYBE's injunction complete defeat, will become more cautious”

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Twitter · Jun 5, 2024, 10:46 AM

[frozen bronze]

is it betrayal if the other party betrays you first

[sly python]

the internet is filled with millions of opinions, regardless if ur stance is correct or wrong there will always be someone with an opposite opinion...i'd reccomend not digesting anything you see past surface level

also many people now just rage bait for views/engagement, dont feed into it. i'd rather just post wth those who i agree/feel positive with

[sage pilot]

They also said HYBE betrayed MHJ first btw

[upbeat stream]

Yeah I stopped interacting with reddit threads

[red thorn]

I think the court ruling cited insufficient evidence, no concrete evidence of misconduct that emphasizes breach of trust

[sly python]

you are entitled to ur own opinions & choice, you dont have to be considerate of hundred of other situations & people when posting because its mentally impossible to do so

[sage pilot]

~t https://x.com/gomdittoz/status/1797611060373156340?s=46

[narrow seal]

240603 gomdittoz Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/gomdittoz/status/1797611060373156340
very interesting article in the hot section of theqoo of lawyers (?) explaining how basically MHJ won bc the court considered HYBE to have started all this by betraying ADOR in the first place. if any big account could translate it
https://theqoo.net/hot/3260705912?page=4

[split marsh]

this guy is spitting some wisdom

[sly python]

just share what u want & if u end up being wrong later down the road its ok, its not that deep

[sly python]

i just love newjeans & joined this discord to share that joy with likeminded tokki's <3

[upbeat stream]

No one's denying that

[frozen bronze]

the name calling i agree with you with

[sly python]

im sure NJ's has a plan for how to move through this process, we as fans have to trust in them & support, theres nothing else we can do + reading into these rumors/speculations is just going to drive you insane with endless what ifs

[blazing sky]

arent we chill tokkis

[sly python]

[upbeat stream]

[gentle badger]

[thick needle]

[hoary frost]

oops wrong chat

[blazing sky]

i think at the end of the day everyone on every side has done good and bad things to various degrees which we can all agree with- namecalling, witchhunting, and overall being cruel to one another doesnt help anything matter of fact we cannot do anything much besides await more information and support the girls no matter what <3

(i mean this by fandoms, companies, etc etc) im just a chill girl who chills

[gentle badger]

[neon igloo]

https://imgur.com/GFQ23c6

[blazing sky]

yeah i completely understood u dw, i think sometimes emotions and fear and stress can make people misinterpret/read texts too fast and can feel like a lot- i know you didnt mean any of that but its a high tense situation yk

i think at the end of the day everyone in this server likes newjeans so they wanna support them yk, i mean im in the same boat with u im not a fan of mhj but im not a fan of companies in general

[raw thistle]

cycle of hate

[neon igloo]

But stalking and harassment should never be normalized, even for celebrities. It's essential to remember cases like Princess Diana, whose tragic death was partly a result of relentless paparazzi pursuit, and Britney Spears, who suffered years of invasive media scrutiny that contributed to her personal struggles

[blazing sky]

but i kinda realize that im a random stranger on the internet with no connection to mhj, hybe, ador, etc so i have no idea whats going on behind closed doors, so if the girls want to follow this path then ill support them bc they have first hand experiences with these companies/people

i think its valid to not like either side of the coin!

also at the end of the day opinions and things said on the internet isnt really gonna change their decisons, the most we could do is have a kind discussion ab it yk? bc no matter what we say things could go whatever direction it wants to go such is fate

no use in witchhunting and infighting in our community

nah fr. newjeans is one of those groups ive gotten into thats inspired me to visit korea someday, like itd be so cool to go to a fanmeeting of theirs!!

[hoary frost]

🥰👌🏼

[neon igloo]

This is not an entirely accurate claim. Most tokkies, myself included, trust the decisions made by NewJeans. And yes, even if MHJ might have skeletons in her closet, she is undeniably a very talented producer. That's why I support the girls' position and their choice to stay with her

[blazing sky]

i mean, i think shes also extremely talented, but that doesnt excuse her wrong doings- at the end of the day i agree though if the girls are choosing her its for good reason

[sage pilot]

Are we supposed to shut up and take it?

[blazing sky]

feeding into trolls and instigating just makes things worse, so yes be the bigger person i would say

i wouldnt call it "shutting up and taking it" youre just not feeding into the hate

you dont throw more fire into a fire it makes things worse

[hoary frost]

lol funny how they are going for Haerin they don’t know whats coming for them she might not be the most popular but she got the most craziest fans

[sage pilot]

The bigger person is the one who wins, not the one who never fights back

[blazing sky]

maybe thats your opinion, but i wouldnt agree- theres not really any winning in this situation tbf

just more hate and more hate and more hate- id say a win is not feeding into trolls bc thats what they want for you to do is to respond

[wind monolith]

What r they saying about her

On twitter??? Nah imma go check this shit out

[sage pilot]

There is. If you never fight back, all you really do is allowing hate and abuse. The bully wins in this case

[blazing sky]

this is such a big situation that saying nothing and keeping to yourself will genuinely do better for your mental health against trolls bc every fandom is gonna have something negative to say ab the situation even some tokkis- but most of the negativity comes from wanting to get a reaction from those who still support newjeans and their decisions- they want you to respond and feed into their hateful words bc thats how they get entertainment from. literally just ignoring rude comments or even taking a break from monitoring this situation might do u some good mentally bc fighting fire with fire doesnt help situations like these

im tryin to be as kind as possible, i know its a stressful situation but a lot of people spread hate just to see bunnies stressed and fighting back is giving them what they want

[split marsh]

[blazing sky]

and our words mean nothing to the situation happening- no matter what we say what happens happens so this inner fighting doesnt accomplish anything

we just chill and await new news

[sage pilot]

If you don’t want to engage with the trolls or whatever - then don’t. But when everyone is bullying you, ignoring it will actually do worse for your mental health. MHJ speaks out. outspoken. NJ speak out. That’s the only right way of responding to hate.

The only thing that would extinguish the fire is the truth

[buoyant hamlet]

[sage pilot]

And this is a very passive approach to life. It would do you no good. Every action, every word you say matters. Change starts from within

[blazing sky]

as a random person on the internet who is an outsider to this situation, you dont know the truth 😭 the only people who do are the people involved in the situation-

i agree that mhj newjeans people involved have the ability to speak out and they do, but im saying infighting between bunnies and fandoms do nothing because we dont know the whole truth

thats why bickering does nothing but spread hate, our words dont move the situation it is only summarized as "public opinion"

[sage pilot]

That’s like saying there’s no truth whatsoever. I hear, we all hear from NJ directly. Facts are facts.

[split marsh]

how you know nj arent lying

[wind monolith]

??????

[split marsh]

ok there are some things that are true like hanni getting ignored

[blazing sky]

i mean kookie does have a point- we can only hope that our idols tell us the truth like 100%, but thats not the case, the only people who know the full truth are the parties involved

[sage pilot]

I know they’re not lying because they’re not liars. They’re very authentic. It’s more of a belief, obviously, but I stand by my opinion

I would rather believe NJ than to BSH and his cronies

[blazing sky]

i can agree to believe in the girls rather than a company but believing that everything your favorite idol says as 100% gospel truth is not a great way to view your idols- like i agree i want to believe that what they say is the truth but sometimes what they may say to the public eye is not what they want to say, but they may need to lie in order to have the best outcome

[sage pilot]

I don’t agree because I don’t like an agnostic point of view

[blazing sky]

like, we all agree its not good to have a parasocial relationship with the girls right?

i just support them chillfully

ive worked in news media so i know how companies and people will lie to get what they want- whether what they want is good or bad

but regardless infighting isnt good for us (conversation became awry lol) the most we can do is support them through this crazy time

[sage pilot]

This is a very convenient position for someone who doesn’t know facts

You don’t know the court’s facts?

We know a lot of facts and we can take an educated guess on who’s at fault

HYBE has literally zero (0) evidence

[blazing sky]

i mean i could say the dispatch article can be used as evidence, whether its fake or not, its up to the courts to decide (i personally find that whole article to be complete bull, but i agree its up to the courts to decide that)

i think it should be illegal for paparazzi to be stalking people personally i find that article horrendous

[sage pilot]

We know the facts that the court has accepted. The court has rejected all of the HYBE’s claims. They are literally scrambling to this day. Why are we going back and forth on this?

Like what truths. There’s nothing but smear

HYBE’s words about plagiarism, hostile takeover, stealing, conspiring with foreign investors has been dismissed. Even shaman talk got rejected by the judge. What do you think the entire case is about?

This will not go to court because you can’t even prove any tampering allegations with this

And?

Yet you say we can’t know all the truth. What’s the point of even waiting for the courts’ results then

[wind monolith]

the proof of burden is on Ador not nj anymore

[dry wind]

From the outside looking in, it looks like they have legal precedent bcuz ador is no longer the company that they initially signed with, it has fundamentally changed and I think there's semi decent grounds there for a case

But kpop is also sort of EVIL

[sage pilot]

The court has already gave their judgment based on law and the court will not ignore its decisions, so your point about “everything’s different now bc the case has evolved” has no sense.

[dry wind]

So I wouldn't be surprised if something else happened lolol

The fact that the CEO would also be acting as creative director is important though

That's moreso what I mean, it was a unique selling point for Ador

[warm shard]

It's not about her being the CEO forever, it's about Ador losing their trust. I think it could be achieved without MHJ as the CEO but Hybe has been always treating NJ terribly so they unlikely they will ever trust them. MHJ was important to them because she fought for them. New Ador constantly whined about how they can't do things, so it's not like there were any serious attempts to change the way things are

[sage pilot]

The possible upcoming legal battle between NJ and ADOR will not be based (only) on MHJ’s dismissal. It will be about how ADOR failed to fulfill their part of the contract

[dry wind]

A court case would be useful though just for more concrete (hopefully) facts

[warm shard]

But what could she do? It wasn't just Ador involved, it was also the staff of another company under the Hybe umbrella. It got passed to Hybe HR department (current Ador ceo is/used to be the head of it at the time) and it got dismissed iirc

[frozen bronze]

it was sent to HR which was the current ador ceo back then, she did nothing

[dry wind]

I didn't know that that's kind of crazy LOL

[frozen bronze]

thats just how i remember it i could be wrong i dont have proof

the ignoring situation is not the only case of workplace bullying, altho the media really likes to make it seem like it was

that specific incident doesnt look like much but the implications of it are the actual problem, try to put yourself in her shoes

[sage pilot]

MHJ, NJ’s parents and NJ has requested a meeting with Belift lab. You don’t know the facts, yet so quick to blame MHJ. That’s why reading Reddit won’t do you good

~t https://x.com/bunnylovebread_/status/1860548985779368435?s=46

[warm shard]

But if both sides greeted each other first, where's the problem? you would think the other side would know not to interact. Just let them say hi and just walk away

[narrow seal]

241124 bunnylovebread_ Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/bunnylovebread_/status/1860548985779368435
All the suspicious details in the incident between Hanni and ILLIT's manager; A thread.

[cerulean lake]

i mean they did say that this occurred even before this feud?? literally bsh ignored them and even hybe didn’t refute that fact; they literally just said they can’t confirm and that’s basically admitting to it when they defended themselves w everything else

[sage pilot]

Here’s a useful thread about the whole situation

[frozen bronze]

morten it really seems like you only have bits and pieces of the whole story and are trying to fill in the gaps yourself, meanwhile telling us this and that

[sage pilot]

What do you mean it’s not much when NJ are CONSTANTLY bullied inside the HYBE building?

[frozen bronze]

if you think hanni was asked to go to the national assembly because 1 manager told 5 girls not to greet her once, then you need to think again

[cerulean lake]

late to the subject but yes i will try to stop namecalling but it’s hard to just let so many ppl outside call them terrible things like they’re stupid, naive, sl*ts, and more

like who tf would want to see those type of comments. i’ve definitely ignored many of those comments before but it’s crossing the line and Reddit is a big example when they try to act like they’re so smart as adults while calling teenagers vile things; it pisses me tf off

and then they go ahead and blame tokkis for only wanting to speak in their own subreddit no one can convince me that those ppl there are rational

[sage pilot]

“MHJ attacked illit”

[frozen bronze]

this is like one of the most fundamental misunderstandings about this whole deal.
the only reason mhj called anyone or any group by name in that press conference is because hybe did so first, accusing her of this and that, and she was refuting it

[sage pilot]

Right, I agree. I can’t believe this narrative is still alive. Don’t read Reddit, people

Also do you consider ostracizing as bullying?

[vague shore]

It's just amazing that there are still people trying to stay neutral Do they even realize how many HYBE mouthpiece media outlets have been pumping out trash articles past 7 months?

[split marsh]

hey nothing wrong with neutrals !

[sage pilot]

You can’t be neutral in this conflict

[warm shard]

i think it's fine for people to have their own judgement, it's just important they have facts to support their own arguments

[vague shore]

Dude Hanni's news got over 200 articles, but the leaked HYBE documents barely cracked 20. If you can't see what's wrong with that, I dunno what to tell ya

[jolly junco]

Lol “not much”

[midnight yarrow]

I didn't expect to see the same reddit talking points about Hanni in here. It was clear Hanni mentioned the incident with the manager as one example of several instances of the members feeling isolated, ostracized and hated in their own company. As if the founder of the company pretending they don't exist and ignoring them isn't proof enough...come on

[jolly junco]

This morten guy need to spend more time read more in depth explanation articles about everything before parading his/her “neutral” opinion

Now i understand why the girls are so close to bunnies and often talk with us, more than they were supposed to, not like other idols. Its because they felt ostracized within the building

They only have us

[blazing sky]

We talked about this before, why are we gonna attack each other for having a neutral opinion? We are all here for one reason, we support the girls. We can support the girls and not support othe r parties? Attacking each other here is just as bad as other sites

[red thorn]

The manager's misconduct you may say it's reasonable bc it might personal thing, could interprete as 'minor transgression', mediation or simple apology would suffice but ideally still there's code of conduct they should abide in the workplace in the first place
The most crucial issue would be the cctv, which belief instigated first for evidence, which the whole ordeal was shady

[frozen bronze]

you can have whatever opinion you want, but if you are gonna share it with people you need to make sure you know what yourte talking about

[sage pilot]

This is not a neutral opinion. Morten doesn’t know basic facts. It’s misinformation

[midnight yarrow]

The chairman and founder refuses their greetings, the HYBE employees trash talked them on Blind, the manager of another group told their idols to ignore Hanni, their pre-debut medical records and footage was "leaked" to Dispatch, and the girls said there were plenty of other issues they couldn't discuss for contractual reasons...and someone is downplaying their claims of being bullied in their workplace.

[jolly junco]

Yes its okay, i’m not talking about you. But morten seems like to not know the whole case and talk like he/she knows more than the people who invest their time to read everything that came out

[stable escarp]

Simplifying issues, undermines said issue. It is not productive

[short laurel]

No? That's not what court said, they said if thise mhj kkt msgs are betrayal then so does hybe's audit.

[waxen musk]

I just hate how everyone's opinions differ so much based on who they listen to.

• You consume everything the girls put out since debut therefore you start to trust them and get a sense for how good they are. You see how they have been treated wonderfully by MHJ, unfortunately unlike most of the industry's idols. I'd argue more importantly is how highly other people they interact with speak of them. This is why I trust them, because of the time spent with them and the countless examples that lead up to this conclusion that I am probably forgetting because there's so many examples.

• You are not as into NewJeans and you only follow K-pop by keeping up to date with news on the only places you know how: Reddit and Twitter. You haven't spent the time to get to know them and only hear about them from headlines. You hear from a wide range of people from differing fandoms but the major fandoms are logically the most vocal out of sheer numbers. You don't see positive posts about NewJeans on Reddit because they are not surfaced due to downvoting, giving you a very one-sided understanding of the situation.

None of this takes into account "facts" or "opinions"... it's just the situation that caused such different perspectives. It's frustrating.

[jolly junco]

Advice to morten, go and spend more time read REAL articles than some “neutral” opinion flying around on internet before stating your opinion

[vague shore]

You know what they even do? Normally, entertainment news sites in Korea block the comment section because of policy But they sneak NJ’s news into other categories to keep the comments open, flood it with bots, especially in the morning, and then shut it down later That company is as petty as it gets There’s a reason HYBE’s a laughing stock in Korea
Tell me how anyone can stay neutral

[neon igloo]

https://imgur.com/4QmPLkD

[sage pilot]

~t https://x.com/juantokki/status/1863708770859454603?s=46

[narrow seal]

241202 juantokki Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/juantokki/status/1863708770859454603
Kim Min-jun (An 8-year citizen journalist for OhmyNews with a sociology background.)

“If you want to understand how violent an entertainment media outlet that disrespects celebrities can be, just look at Dispatch. The problem is that this tabloid, little more than a yellow

[short laurel]

Shh i read so much misinfo above. I trust u guys fixed it?

[jolly junco]

Nope

[sage pilot]

A very good thread about Dispatch article. And no, there’s no “truth” in there

[short laurel]

I got annoyed n skipped the chat

[sage pilot]

I was arguing with them for over an hour but there’s no progress

[blazing sky]

I feel even if I try to refute what you guys say I'm gonna get attacked haha, I don't think it's wrong to stay neutral tldr, I mean both companies/sides have done terrible wrongs, and the real victims in this situation is newjeans. I feel every adult has failed them and if they feel mhj is the adult they can trust then I'll support their decisions. I feel this is choosing the lesser of two evils.

[short laurel]

Rarely ever dispatch got right leaks, most of the time they are misinformation spreader or relationship destroyer

[vague shore]

You can stay neutral if it’s a fair fight, but this one-sided beating for the past 7 months? You couldn’t make this stuff up

[jolly junco]

Yeah whatever makes you sleep better at night

[short laurel]

At 1st it sounded good but man people ignoring facts n believing mistranslation.

[waxen musk]

Same. I want this to end. I'm starting to feel like I'm seeing more arguing and negativity than I am positive content and interactions from the girls. I think it's going to get worse the less we see and hear from the girls. The balance is shifting towards negativity.

[cerulean lake]

Along with this convo of neutral opinion, I also want to rant about fandoms culture!

Of course name calling is not condoned (tbh, i only called out crooked ppl like bsh and seoulite) and I will report those people. However, why is that our fandom always is told to be neutral and be the “higher” fandom where we have to be moral

There’s literally big fandoms, a whole multibillion dollar conglomerate, and company stands that are on our ass all the time and we have to be the one that’s neutral and accept all opinions all the time?? I find that so unfair and when we call people like Reddit, then we’re also being called bullies. At least in here and even in the NJ subreddit we keep it civil and try not to mention other groups.

Even with dispatch leaks like this where they literally tried to say she did prostitution services for the higher ups, we can’t even try to fight back without people telling us to be neutral 🥱

[mild mist]

sounds like the s*n

[sage pilot]

“Every adult failed them” MHJ, NJ’s parents, OG ADOR staff, Dolphiners are fighting for them. Stop with this narrative

[waxen musk]

I swear people care more about name calling than a lot of other issues.
I never name call but I also don't care to be honest. There are more things to worry about.

[short laurel]

I do think that mhj could've done things better but nobody is perfect

[jolly junco]

They make it seems like name calling are worse than character assassination that HYBE’s been doing for the past 8 months

[sage pilot]

that’s bc they are 🤭 daily mail + the sun = dispatch

[blazing sky]

I swear this server can be just as bad as the reddit servers. I only want to support the girls and their decisions, but god forbid I don't support mhj 😵‍💫 I support newjeans guys! Y'all might not be name calling me but ur sure as hell making me feel wrong for not wanting to support sides that have done wrong. The only side I feel hasn't done anything wrong is newjeans girls themselves- and whoever they chose to continue their careers with I'll follow them. They could sign with a company without mhj who knows there's been nothing confirmed 😭

[stable escarp]

ong if name calling is bugging you that much what would being objectified to the world make you feel

[short laurel]

Being neutral is fine, my problem is the neutral people coming here n saying straight up proven misinformation.

[frozen bronze]

i didnt see you saying antything wrong, the morten guy was claiming to be neutral and then spreading misinformation tho.

[waxen musk]

How often do you feel like people have actually learnt something new or have changed their opinions after arguments in here?

...might be like 1% success rate.
This is all a waste of time.

(On both sides, obviously.)

[blazing sky]

I think it was mentioned a while ago to have a thread of real info in #suggestions unless I'm crazy and I'm 100% for it

[vague shore]

You don't have to support MHJ Just don't believe what HYBE' mouthpiece media outlets are spreading

[sage pilot]

just as bad as the Reddit? have you seen the disgusting shit they’re saying on Reddit?

[short laurel]

This server is echo chamber yea lol.

[blazing sky]

^^

[midnight yarrow]

Lol this server is nowhere near as bad as reddit and it's pretty insulting to equate it to a platform where people are slut shaming the girls every day, calling them all types of vile names and praying for their disbandment. Let's not cross the line please

[blazing sky]

At least the echo chamber can be kind haha I know reddit is toxic but I'm saying from the extremities both social sites go to for

[short laurel]

But kpop reddit is special case. If u are against hybe, then reddit is your enemy, it happens in every drama hybe involves in.

[red thorn]

But I do agree with Morten regarding "truth" topic
We can knows all fact doesnt mean we know all truth behind it
Just like the Dispatch photographs, those are 'facts' they provide, but the the whole truth they spewing in article maybe doesnt line up with actual truth

[jolly junco]

#1231839760759263232 message

up! 🫡

[short laurel]

Some of them shaming on hyein was crossing the line even for reddit n twitter, i m surprised reddit n twitter ignored those

[sage pilot]

They were saying we can’t know the truth bc we don’t have all the facts but we do have important facts. We can make our own judgments. So I’m not agreeing on your point

[midnight yarrow]

I'm not. I got banned from the kpop subreddit for asking for people to stop being so vile and violent with their words in the Megathread. This server is nowhere near as tyrannical as the subreddits or as toxic. I hope people stop making that comparison

[waxen musk]

Reddit censors things with their downvoting system. Twitter and Discord do not. It's a major difference. There's shit on every platform though.

[hoary frost]

Its like those comparison videos on titktok 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[jolly junco]

Girl got banned for saying her opinion 😭

[sage pilot]

So true. If you don’t believe it, then go on Reddit, read what they’re saying and then comeback and tell me this discord server is worse

[midnight yarrow]

The fact people are allowed to even express and argue an unpopular opinion here already makes this server leagues better than reddit, where you will be attacked, downvoted, bullied and ultimately banned if your post isn't some version of "they're just a bunch of mean girls"

[warm shard]

I got downvoted to hell just for correcting someone's misinformation 💀

[short laurel]

There was 1 neutral post on reddit kpop uncensored that somehow survived.

[vague shore]

Dispatch has a history of getting caught using Photoshop This is what I hate the most from this media play When the media keeps spreading it, people start thinking, 'If there's so much noise, maybe there's some truth behind it,' even when it’s a complete lie That company is built for that

[sage pilot]

Like, this is Reddit. It’s not the worse screens (there’s much severe cases), but look how they downvote ppl. You won’t find even ONE positive post about NJ (these are not my screens)

[midnight yarrow]

There were probably at least two dozen threads on kpop_uncensored alone just bashing and inviting hate towards NewJeans after their first live

[waxen musk]

Anyway everyone lets step back and think. Will any of this matter in a few months when NewJeans puts out new music? I think it really won't.

[short laurel]

They called korean legal experts wrong but believed in american legal experts on nj case.

[waxen musk]

I need to get out of here.

[jolly junco]

Why would an american legal expert even bother talk about this case?

[stable escarp]

i remember seeing weekly megathreads of it 😭

[frozen bronze]

clicks

[midnight yarrow]

Reddit doesn't matter at all. They delude themselves into thinking they're anything more than a vocal minority. But let's not do the "both sides have been bad" stuff. I've not seen Bunnies or any platform but Twitter being anywhere near as bad...and I can't even blame them considering the terrible tweets getting mass liked there

[short laurel]

Tiktok lol. N that koreanow video comments lol

[sage pilot]

I remember neutral redditors were guessing how long the neutral post will survive before getting nuked by the mods 😭

[hoary frost]

Reddit is Hybe stans’ bedroom

[short laurel]

Funny they call it kpop uncensored but censor everything

[jolly junco]

I’m curious, did you guys got brainwashed even if its just a little tiny bit for a moment reading all of the thread in reddit? I’m asking because i never opened reddit

[sage pilot]

Right 😭

[midnight yarrow]

I'm all for less talking about that toxic echo chamber and just spending more energy on our girls 🙂

[red thorn]

Merchant of doubt tactic

[cerulean lake]

sorry to say but this server and the the NJ subreddit is NOWHERE as toxic as the other subreddits. If you think so, you either never visited there OR you are stubborn to admit it.

If anyone tries to call the members or families or even the fandoms of Lesserafim or Illit or any other group here, they will be rightfully called out and even get a ban.

But over there, they just let them call them names without moderation. Not only would they call NJ and their families dumb, but they also call tokkis dumb or manipulated

[cerulean lake]

i think i remember seeing ur acc there

[stable escarp]

bro it was like the penguin meme saying "mine mine mine mine". Every comment was the same nonsensical statement. It was only initially when I was first figuring out all the drama that it swayed me a little in terms of legalities in the first injunction where they sh*t on mhj but yk how that went LOL.

[short laurel]

I remember the shit sm groups stans got just cuz they not like hybe trying to buy sm.

[stable escarp]

Tbh it was field trip for me. Laughing nonstop at how they are real human beings with functional brains and lives

[warm shard]

Not by these threads for this particular case but by the debut controversy with mhj... I was there from the debut but the controversy soured the whole experience for me and I did believe in some things that I'm indifferent towards right now. Then Ditto came out and I just stayed 👍

[cerulean lake]

yeah now they’re fine shitting on aespa bc of all of the aespa x nwjns interactions these past months

it might not be as much to others but still

[short laurel]

Right now we are being really horrible to reddit users lol.

[cerulean lake]

if they’re horrible to us, i have the right to have horrible perceptions towards them and i say that as a former reddit liker

[sage pilot]

we didn’t say anything that isn’t the truth tho

[short laurel]

True lol

Should yap this much on main channel but about nj.

[sage pilot]

~t https://x.com/chocomenow/status/1833831670480560213?s=46

[narrow seal]

240911 chocomenow Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/chocomenow/status/1833831670480560213
what ive been doing on reddit for newjeans

[midnight yarrow]

It's banned unfairly along with several alts

[cerulean lake]

Anyways the mods there have been exposed for being weirdos and I would rather frequent Pannchoa that actually has actual takes with ppl acknowledging that they don’t have to like MHJ

[midnight yarrow]

When you realize you're arguing with people upset over stickers in an elevator, you just laugh and go about your day unbothered

[short laurel]

I just hope, IF it turns out mhj did something wrong to nj, i hope people here rightly hold her responsible for it. Remember IF

[sage pilot]

Oh the stickergate was 9/11 for them on both reddit and twitter

[stable escarp]

100% We are here for the girls. No one else

[jolly junco]

IF that really did happen, i’m sure the girls parents will be the first to safe those kids from her

[short laurel]

But so far what we have in mhj nj hybe case, mhj has been proven in the right.

[sage pilot]

No, you don’t get it.. she brainwashed all of them - NJ, NJ’s parents, ADOR staff… there’s no escape……..

[stable escarp]

Thankfully. I really want to see what shes got in store for us with that 7 year plan of hers. Her artistic view and production is what I want to see the most in the kpop industry.

[warm shard]

It's the shaman magic...

[jolly junco]

Greatest manipulator of all time

[stable escarp]

She should sell a course

[waxen musk]

I've been so cautious over MHJ pretty soon after I got into NewJeans. It was only this year where I started to actually listen to her and start to trust her more. But the doubts still linger. If she does anything wrong, trust me, I'd be WAY more upset at her and feel sadder for NewJeans than any of these Reddit users who wish horrible things on them right now. They won't be sad. I will.

[red thorn]

This kinda been my stance, I'm nowhere neutral but more on the fence on some things, can't say confidently some things are actual truth

[warm shard]

They use serious topics like that to hate. It's so shameful. If they truly believed the things they say, they wouldn't be out there saying the stuff they do. Meanwhile they talk about karma and how 'victim can be a perpetrator' (real thing I saw)

[vague shore]

She shouldn't have been in the spotlight in the first place That's what's frustrating

[jolly junco]

Bruh we are not braindead like some people been towards NJ, when and if its proven to be of course we will hate her

[waxen musk]

Anyway lets step back and try to understand Reddit user's purpose or intent. Let's really think. Why do they care? Who do they care about?

[dark pier]

mhj started unnecessary drama, why didnt newjeans just accept the new ceo, everyone would've been happy if they did, mistreatment is in every company but at least they were still getting paid and treated better than many nugu groups out there, hybe wouldn't abandon them since they are money generators, now it'll either be fifty fifty 2.0 or somehow work out

[short laurel]

About reddit users n other haters on twter, looking into some of them. I come to learn majority of them lives on hating others, 1st it was exo, then blackpink, n now nj. They thrive on it.

[wind monolith]

LMFAO

[cerulean lake]

Of course I don’t think MHJ is completely innocent and honestly I don’t blame her for wanting to leave if she was already having conflicts w Hybe from the beginning.

However, people literally make the absolute WORST takes about her like that prostitution shit and then people use that as ammo on NJ. If people were using MHJ to hate on NJ, trust that so many tokkis wouldn’t be so defensive of her.

Funny to see how BSH has done very terrible things as well with actual employees speaking against him before and no one shits on him as much as MHJ

[jolly junco]

They just need an outlet to satisfied their hatred towards NJ

[sage pilot]

They think BTS = HYBE, so MHJ attacking HYBE = MHJ attacking BTS

[jolly junco]

LOL okay

[wind monolith]

https://tenor.com/view/the-hangover-who-brought-this-guy-along-gif-19266714

[short laurel]

Just in case, that's sarcastic right?

[dark pier]

bro what

[sage pilot]

Oh boy

[stable escarp]

oh hell nah

[waxen musk]

That's their first message, btw.

[midnight yarrow]

Not touching this one

[wind monolith]

this might be the worst opinion by someone so far

[sage pilot]

Y’all handle this one

[stable escarp]

someone send in a new article to talk about b4 shits get down again

[waxen musk]

How do people join this server and first of all figure out that there is even this thread in the first place (most people aren't aware)? Just asking.

[cerulean lake]

r u actually fr; you got some catching up to do if you are or maybe reevaluate that just bc you’re getting paid more than others, you don’t just accept mistreatment and suck it up; that’s like saying someone working at Apple should just be ignored and mistreated and to suck it up bc someone working a smaller company has it worse

[waxen musk]

Don't fall into their trap. Like I said it's their FIRST MESSAGE. You'll be wasting time with this one.

[stable escarp]

Redirecting ig by replies

[dark pier]

i just read the dispatch stuff

[short laurel]

Reacters take your react back

[jolly junco]

Thats all?

[waxen musk]

None of what you talked about is about the new Dispatch stuff.

[midnight yarrow]

This has to be trolling

[warm shard]

Of course it is 😭

[cerulean lake]

tbh i can’t even tell between trolls, rage bait, or people being fr these days

[stable escarp]

i find it amusing atp

[short laurel]

That's why i asked if they are being sarcastic

[warm shard]

What do you mean? It even had a picture of BSH at the top

[red thorn]

Regardless what I think personally mhj as a person, for this feud I support her to fight bc I have come to the point to believe that's she is the wronged one here

[waxen musk]

If you see a new user with the green icon, search up their messages and then judge how to move from there.

[midnight yarrow]

I've been in this Kpop game since 2nd gen. Any other label would KILL to have a group like NJ. Like actually kill. It's wild to me HYBE had such open hostility towards them

[stable escarp]

i js take it all as a joke. gives me something funny for the day

[midnight yarrow]

SM paid millions of won to a consulting firm to figure out how NJ got so successful so quickly. HYBE out here paying millions for negative media play

[jolly junco]

Positive thinking, maybe pecel is kind of M person. That would explain why he/she said that

[waxen musk]

I don't know what that means.

[stable escarp]

Weve got self employed lawyers for NJ. This fandom is actually remarkable

[jolly junco]

But i cant spell it i’m afraid i’ll get banned for it….

[short laurel]

Every fandom has self employed "lawyer" though?

[sage pilot]

So true. What NJ has achieved in the first two years is literally insane. There’s no kpop group with the same results like NJ

[jolly junco]

In 4 alphabets, M is stand for someone who loved getting tortured? Iykyk

[waxen musk]

Oh.

[stable escarp]

Ive never seen one like Team Bunnies tho. they be making headlines in kr news lmfao

[waxen musk]

I doubt you'd get banned for that but whatever. It wasn't obvious what "m" stood for.

[midnight yarrow]

What Bunnies have done under immense stress and conflict this year is legitimately the most impressive call to action with results I've seen from any K-Pop fandom. And I've been a fan of the genre since 2012. Bunnies should be proud

[stable escarp]

If anything those fandoms have law 'students'

[warm shard]

When you buy a kpop album it's like passing the bar exam

[short laurel]

They are not self employed lawyers, they employed actual lawyers to help nj

[jolly junco]

Wel yes only old people like us understand

[stable escarp]

I meant like NJ didnt call for them specifically ykwim. They did it for the fandom, for NJ and for themselves

[short laurel]

Yea

[midnight yarrow]

It's funny watching a certain fandom get so salty as they watch Bunnies actually get stuff done for their group besides trending stupid hashtags. Sorry not sorry

[short laurel]

Instead of truck protest, ktokkies took actual action, in dispatch leaks instead of focusing On drama they made, tokkies looked at the real problem everyone else ignores, that why dispatch stalking others.

[waxen musk]

I mean who else is hopefully getting new laws made to protect idols?

[stable escarp]

Shed a tear when i saw that.

[short laurel]

Can't believe so much stuff is so normalised that people think dispatch stalking hanni is fine, this is an actual crime which everyone ignored

[dark pier]

its public space tho

[waxen musk]

Public photography is fine. Stalking is not. Is that hard to understand?

[midnight yarrow]

They'll go back to calling dispatch demon spawn when it's their turn again and dispatch is writing hit pieces on their favorite idols

[short laurel]

Dispatch rarely writes about hybe idols

[warm shard]

maybe it was Hanni stalking the dispatch reporter?

[midnight yarrow]

That might change if HYBE throws them under the bus for the leaks

[sage pilot]

Dispatch can leverage them by releasing all the HYBE scandals they have been keeping on lock

[stable escarp]

If i see at the end of this year, Dispatch's dating rumour of the year and the title has NJ... I think its over for me

[vague shore]

It's just that there’s always been these tabloid-level media outlets But the way they use them as part of their plan? HYBE is next level

[arctic swan]

Dispatch often releases fake chats and tries to build credibility by including exclusive videos or photos of NewJeans that only HYBE could have provided, like pre-debut videos. As a paparazzi platform, Dispatch is skilled at stalking celebrities but operates with clear intentions to benefit from their actions. While they may obtain exclusive content, they often fabricate narratives around it to manipulate public perception. For instance, Min Hee Jin once shared over 50 uncensored screenshots of KakaoTalk conversations that exposed Dispatch for editing and manipulating chats. Despite this, very few news outlets covered the incident, and it seems like Tokkis aren’t discussing it either. This demonstrates that Dispatch is not a trustworthy source, especially for text messages that can be easily altered.

[stable escarp]

woah do you have an article for that with screenshot translations? Ive never seen or heard of it like youve said.

[short laurel]

The one that started employee b drama. Most just not wanna go into it cuz of how dumb people's reaction was on that unproven sh case.

[stable escarp]

So many things that can help go under the rug its actually disheartening

[arctic swan]

Try to check her insta if its still there. If you google it. You can see Hindus times and allkpop covered it but very few

[stable escarp]

Alr will do. Ty

[sage pilot]

~t https://x.com/juantokki/status/1818989834918355191?s=46

[narrow seal]

240801 juantokki Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/juantokki/status/1818989834918355191
240730 MHJ instagram story

KakaoTalk Chat logs between A and B, MHJ and B, and MHJ and A.

KKT Chat log 1 - 4

(graphics and translation: @NJBUBBLEGUM)

[stable escarp]

Ty for finding it!

[arctic swan]

I remember someone asking her why she didn’t release more original text messages, and her response was something like, “The damage has already been done. I’d rather handle it in court than release more publicly.” I’m not entirely sure if this is exactly what she said, but that was the general idea. Unfortunately, it’s hard to find the exact details now, as it doesn’t seem to have been widely discussed, even among Tokkis.

[waxen musk]

These lawsuits will uncomver the truth, I truly hope.
https://x.com/yuijeans/status/1863722728546783681

Yui (@yuijeans) on X

I was waiting for that lawsuit against Dispatch. Why? Because this may uncover one thing big corporations that use the media are terrified of: connections. And because this is a criminal case, they cannot hide behind NDAs or privacy protections.

Twitter · Dec 2, 2024, 11:11 PM

[arctic swan]

Dispatch might obtain exclusive pictures or videos but then twist the headlines and stories to include false information.

[vague shore]

Another day, another media play coming up Honestly, I don’t even want to bring it up here Just laugh it off

[wind monolith]

something else released

oh i see it

https://twitter.com/PopBase/status/1863730057400738288

Pop Base (@PopBase) on X

The Korea Entertainment Management Association (KEMA) urges NewJeans to return to ADOR, stating it will “continue to monitor the issue and respond proactively”:

“NewJeans' current approach could severely disrupt the foundations of our pop culture and arts industry. Therefore,

Twitter · Dec 2, 2024, 11:40 PM

[waxen musk]

It’s not even 9am

[wind monolith]

who tf? and like newjeans current approach could distrupt ??? what r they on

[sage pilot]

It’s interesting how ADOR/HYBE still hesitating to sue NJ

[sage pilot]

wtf

[vague shore]

the girls outsmarted them

[red thorn]

They begging it to be handled in familial way

[tired cairn]

I don't want to be that hopeful, but man does it start to look that way

[arctic swan]

The Korean Entertainment Management Association (KEMA) is not a government agency; it’s more like an industry union

[wind monolith]

"since the girls outsmarted them this might effect other kpop idols to outsmart there company hence we would like it to be resolved"

[sage pilot]

“We sincerely hope for an amicable resolution and pray that this situation does not escalate further.” Tell that to HYBE, not NJ

[arctic swan]

Suggesting to go back to HYBE means asking NewJeans to admit fault, apologize, and "repent," which would only harm their image. If they did that, antis would mock them, and HYBE would emerge as the winner.

[bronze jetty]

did hybe pay kema or what?

[frozen bronze]

exactly this

[vague shore]

They're always pro-company, but releasing the same article across multiple outlets at the same time? You know who's pulling the strings

[shy schooner]

They might try to have them blacklisted on tv

[hoary frost]

pop base breaking the news yea we know

[short laurel]

Same people who were against fifty fifty. Yea no ty. T

[wind monolith]

this whole week is about to be a roller coaster

[heady gate]

Whole week? Today is still Monday to me

[short laurel]

If kema really cared about industry, they'd have involved months ago.

[sage pilot]

Why is Pop Base breaking the news 💀

[red thorn]

If they care the criticism should be on hybe's management

[short laurel]

What else to expect from dystopia country

[valid sierra]

http://www.cema.or.kr/index.php
what even is this???
very outdated and suddenly they have a say to the current issue?

[sage pilot]

~t https://x.com/balloon_wanted/status/1620949323730292736?s=46

[narrow seal]

230202 balloon_wanted Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/balloon_wanted/status/1620949323730292736
BlockBerry Creative confirm yesterday they have submitted a petition to KEMA (Korea Entertainment Management Association) to suspend Chuu's entertainment activities

BBC plan to submit petitions to suspend activities for Heejin, Kim Lip, Jinsoul, and Choerry too

[sage pilot]

~t https://x.com/balloon_wanted/status/1177372930834976769?s=46

[narrow seal]

190927 balloon_wanted Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/balloon_wanted/status/1177372930834976769
Yonhap shares The Korea Entertainment Management Association (KEMA) has announced it has mediated a mutual agreement between Kang Daniel and former company LM to end the injunction appeal + lawsuit and terminate their exclusive contract in order to prevent any further damages

[vague shore]

It's nothing new, but the pattern of how it's being released across so many outlets really infuriates me

[sage pilot]

some old tweets about KEMA. yeah this reeks of HYBE

[wind monolith]

how much authority do they have thats what im confused on ?

[vague shore]

almost none I reckon

[short laurel]

Ok whose side this ss on?

[arctic swan]

KEMA represents entertainment companies and works to address issues like contract disputes and industry reforms, aiming to create a more structured and fair environment. However, it seems they prioritize the interests of companies over individual artists. This perception likely stems from their actions, which often align with protecting the industry's corporate side rather than advocating for artists' rights and welfare.

[jolly junco]

None, they are just a union. Have no effect to legal matters

[sage pilot]

It looks like HYBE is going all in on mediaplay

[short laurel]

Fandoms seriously need to spam pressure kema to bich to hybe instead of nj.

[vague shore]

disgusting

[wind monolith]

usually unions r suppose to support artist what type of union is this a company union

[valid sierra]

http://www.cema.or.kr/bbs/board.php?bo_table=4
i cant find Hybe or ADOR on the members list. This is an updated list because blissoo is there. I think they shouldnt have a say to this since NJ is not part of the association's scope

[short laurel]

Looks like 75 nugu companies

[valid sierra]

almost every entertainment agency is there. surprisingly YG SM starship are members of it

[short laurel]

Ooh i didn't c them.

[sage pilot]

~t https://x.com/hiehanniz/status/1863736416640905481?s=46

[narrow seal]

241203 hiehanniz Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/hiehanniz/status/1863736416640905481
To any one who’s worried this really means nothing 😭

[short laurel]

I looked again in the link u sent, still can't c big names

[valid sierra]

u can search their names at the bottom part

[short laurel]

Weird it showed up in search but not in list.

[boreal laurel]

ah yes the industrial order of decades of companies screwing over idols and artists with unfair contracts and other bs

KEMA is effectively the salty old order of kpop

the so called "dark side" that western kpop community up to now always talk about

[normal marlin]

they sided with attrakt and blockberry creative before they're a literal joke

[vague shore]

no shit

[frozen bronze]

this shit a union for companies or what?

[short laurel]

Of companies yea

[wind monolith]

can ador sue nj already instead of doing mediaplay like ador we know ur losing

[valid sierra]

Hybe or ADOR is not part of it, so they shouldnt have any say or affect NJ at all

[cerulean lake]

so basically they did this to threaten the members??

an union for companies that’s quite a new idea 😵‍💫

[vague shore]

On the bright side, I'm going to enjoy this while they can't do anything about it legally

[cerulean lake]

this is probably their way of public pressure on them

[boreal laurel]

lmao i got reccomended a channel where the guy literally named himself "hybe boy"

these corporate stans are so shamelessly down bad its hilarious

[short laurel]

Yea have seen that account,

[jolly junco]

they are so afraid that the kpop industry will changed for the better

[hoary frost]

KEMA basically confirming that NewJeans is changing the industry

[arctic swan]

It is

[cerulean lake]

watch the twt stans eat this up not realizing that KEMA supported bbc and attrakt through all this bs

[hoary frost]

lol the responses are taking me out KEMA really thought they did something with that statement they just made their reputation 100x worse

[steel depot]

i thought something serious came up

[tiny peak]

nope, slavery is still illegal as far as I know

[wind monolith]

https://m.entertain.naver.com/article/030/0003263407
this article says kma

[tiny peak]

let's say a kpop group decided to 1) leak personal company information 2) bully company employees and create a hostile work environment 3) decided to stop working and fulfilling their contractual obligations 4) documented plans to replace the company 5) hired PR to downplay company achievements ... if company decided to terminate contract (and sue for damages) I guess that's viewed as okay? but not so for the artist 🙄

[wind monolith]

is kma and kema same thing or diff

[steel depot]

yup sorry i didnt give the context i was referring to kema... they thought they did something with that article...

[waxen musk]

https://x.com/CakeDegg/status/1863757073336414505

Cake🍀 (@CakeDegg) on X

it's KMF, not KEMA(korea entertainment management association). “Korea Management Federation” released the statement. They're two different groups
https://t.co/N6cE1D2WaT

Twitter · Dec 3, 2024, 1:28 AM

[wind monolith]

so did kema even make a stance😭

[tiny peak]

bro that man's picture is taking me out. 100% plays golf and frequents room salons

[steel depot]

can this KMF stand in the way in legal matters?

[tiny peak]

I don't think so, but could pressure other companies who want to work with NJ

[jolly junco]

no they dont hold any power in legal matters, nor it have any power to compel artist in any way

[tiny peak]

I'm extremely biased but I believe NJ + real-ADOR can "enhance the value of Korean pop culture" more than these clowns. NJ is a phenomenon

[wind monolith]

seems like pop base got the organization wrong

[steel depot]

bunch of clowns really

[jolly junco]

https://x.com/xenaxox0/status/1863522780723150977

BanHeeSoo (@xenaxox0) on X

@PoppyKPoppie @CakeDegg Tokkis, look at this vid for higher views!! This is the first time Korean news casters are openly talking about BSH and his 400B fraud. Click the link to boost the views!!!

https://t.co/lvMGF3noqD

Twitter · Dec 2, 2024, 9:57 AM

[wind monolith]

https://twitter.com/PoppyKPoppie/status/1863765829143392525

PoppyKPoppie (@PoppyKPoppie) on X

need newjeans' legal representatives to sue the KMA for trying to establish the newjeans DID NOT follow the proper termination process..where in fact, they did..even lawmakers agree, that njs flawlessly executed their termination notice. this is reverse viral at its finest.

Twitter · Dec 3, 2024, 2:02 AM

i just noticed kmf website is not even secure who r these guys

[stable escarp]

"Our laws" who is you?

[wind monolith]

them saying newjeans never had the intentions to maintain their contract is crazy THEY GAVE hybe a 2 week notice twice

this tells alot they r there for companies

[red thorn]

“News Jeans, confident of winning… Hive is responsible” (Maebul Show)
https://m.entertain.naver.com/article/144/0001004765

[heady gate]

It said " support the activities of our entertainment managers" lol. Based on the mission statement, KEMA doesn't support artists.

[wind monolith]

https://twitter.com/PoppyKPoppie/status/1863763133808132142

PoppyKPoppie (@PoppyKPoppie) on X

🚨CORRECTION: ITS THE KOREA MANAGEMENT ASSOCIATION (KMA) NOT KOREA ENTERTAINMENT ASSOCIATION (KEMA) THAT RELEASED THE STATEMENT🚨
🔗https://t.co/9xqznU1abz

Hanmae-yeon's Full Statement:

The recent intensification of the dispute between Ador and NewJeans has had several negative

Twitter · Dec 3, 2024, 1:52 AM

not that it matters both r trash

[heady gate]

KMA clients are the entertainment industry not the artists.

[sonic olive]

What does KMA do ?

[heady gate]

read the blue highlight.

[polar owl]

https://www.koreaboo.com/news/new-kdrama-similar-min-hee-jin-story-hybe-hot-topic/

As if real life drama was less interesting ☝️

[heady gate]

It is 1pm kst. any news?

[hoary frost]

try not to rely on koreaboo for kpop news, cuz most of their articles are clickbait trash & theres alot of misinformation that they spread

i usually use soompi cause theyre at least reliable at the least

[jolly junco]

https://x.com/nayeonthequeenn/status/1863801392642523237?s=46&t=Rf0MFOpPEsPDO_zBu2aZ7A

Aespaended (@Nayeonthequeenn) on X

If agency don’t file a lawsuit after an artist terminates in 14 days the court automatically imposes lack of urgency on an agency’s case weakening the case if they file later fun fact Hybe and Ador will eventually take the bait they are forced to

Twitter · Dec 3, 2024, 4:24 AM

We need to wait for another 14 days, again

[stiff prairie]

ok why is this kema/kma's opinion important now? what's going to happen if newjeans don't listen to them

[wind monolith]

nothing happens their opinion cant do anything

and they are basically a union for companies not even artist

[stiff prairie]

the fkn dystopia we live in. we got worker's unions banned while companies can have their own unions lmao

[hoary frost]

whoever wrote this i wish people throw trash at you when u walk outside 😑

[split bramble]

like 10 more days

[wind monolith]

realistically this one will happen before 14

well i hope it does

[heady gate]

NJ left on Nov 28? Therefore, Dec 12 is the dead line, am I correct?

[jolly junco]

29th

[heady gate]

ok. Dec 13 would be the dead line

[jolly junco]

I guess we can expect HYBE/ADOR to sue the girls before that

[wind monolith]

or they could drag media play till the last day then drop it

[jolly junco]

In a true HYBE fashion

[wind monolith]

ya ngl the second situation now seems more likely

[cerulean lake]

i find it funny how they say they wish both parties could communicate when nwjns already clearly showed what they wished could be fixed

plus it’s sad how the girls probably expected media play to occur to them and their family but idk if they assumed it to be this severe smh

[lethal hound]

https://www.dipe.co.kr/2312724

"Our legal system protects existing contracts until they are fully terminated. NewJeans' claims lack justification."

This is going to be one sticky legal battle

[wind monolith]

whatever they say doesnt really mean anything

[orchid field]

again, newjeans already stated their demands, it is hybe that refuses to fix it.

[lethal hound]

Playing devils advocate: Refusal doesnt mean grounds for termination

[lethal hound]

You would be surprised

[wind monolith]

hybe is continuously using a scare tactic

[lethal hound]

Also historically, these contract battles with previous generations wasn’t favorable to artist groups

[wind monolith]

that highlighted part tells alot about them

[lethal hound]

And that is why you would be surprised

[celest zinc]

Minjees so girl boss