NJZ Updates and Discussion

[heady gate]

ah, I didn't the username. oops

[jolly junco]

juantokki

[short laurel]

Yup it's still everyone shitting on hybe

[hoary frost]

thanks gius

[upbeat stream]

I was surprised that even on fmkorea (incel forum) people were siding with nwjns. Still a battleground but a lot more support than before

[mild mist]

Hell, most Korean sites are unreliable

[jolly junco]

because HYBE control most of the media in korea

[upbeat stream]

https://www.fmkorea.com/?mid=best&listStyle=webzine&document_srl=7691013973&search_keyword=뉴진스&search_target=title_content&page=1&cpage=1

like look at this

[jolly junco]

"Seriously, there was a case where a contract was terminated because the manager was changed ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ"

RIP ADOR

[upbeat stream]

Even among right wing men, hybe is losing support, lol

[red thorn]

NHK Kouhaku lineup confirmed, were nj supposed to perform there?

[split bramble]

when the artist explains meaning behind their art no other explanation/theory is valid anymore

like everyone had their theories on akira kurosawa's rashomon, but when kurosawa explained the point of the film was 'even after death people lie to uphold their societal position' that was the end of discussion

doesnt matter what random country has different meaning to the word cookie, artist explained their take and thats where discussion should end

[upbeat stream]

That's what I think about IU's Zeze too

To me, the lyrics look bad but if she says that it's talking about her own experiences and that she didn't intend to sexualize, I choose to believe her

[hoary frost]

artist are humans too that can lie to avoid controversies but go off ig

[short laurel]

yes artists can lie but that doesn't mean whatever theory fandom makes is correct. we also have consider song was in korean and not english. alot of things are not easy to translate and can easily cause miscommunication. there's also difference in how 2 different groups understand same sentence.
so in terms for credibility artists words > fandoms theory. (don't mind my grammar and spellings)

[jolly junco]

cultural difference should also be taken into consideration

[sonic meadow]

Hybe is the definition of “delulu is the solulu

[jolly junco]

-delulu

[tall dew]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/948918589602267186/1234421470826856508/FB_IMG_1714377845119.jpg?ex=6630ac15&is=662f5a95&hm=3a0f63a41baecf295cfcb6961843d8795ccd57e80f854c76f43507a217e9d504&

[jolly junco]

*x -c https://x.com/juantokki/status/1858768350794707246?s=46&t=Rf0MFOpPEsPDO_zBu2aZ7A

[harsh dove]

@juantokki <t:1731999883:d>

Why is HYBE going this far? - Part 1: Who is at fault?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1gUXpNBvOw
by 검은토끼 Elfin Rabbit

Let me break it all down for you in one go.

Who’s to blame? Feeling confused? When conflicting narratives arise, let’s focus on the essence of the situation.

First, let’s consider:

Min Hee-jin:
This person (the director) has an identity as a creative visionary. Based on their skills, they’ve built a career that could arguably be considered among the best in South Korea.

NewJeans:
The artists, in this case, NewJeans, are talented and hardworking individuals with exceptional abilities.

HYBE:
HYBE, as a company, supports its artists' activities and operates on revenue generated from the artistic value they create.

The relationship between a company, its director, and its artists is contractual. The company supports their artistic endeavors, while the artists and director provide the revenue generated from those creations.

A success story turned sour

Now, look at this scenario:

A highly skilled director and exceptionally talented artists came together to form a team. Both sides gave their best efforts:

• The director delivered creative direction.

• The artists executed their work to the highest standard.

As a result, their artistic value translated into success: in just two years, they generated annual sales exceeding 100 billion KRW, placing their label in HYBE’s top 3 revenue streams. Beyond Korea, their impact grew on a global scale.

Their work fulfilled the core expectation: producing content and generating revenue. How could the director and artists have done better? Should they have pandered to HYBE’s executives in ways beyond artistic achievements? If so, such expectations would be unfair and an abuse of power.

HYBE’s identity and obligation

HYBE claims to support artists' activities and build its operations on the revenue their art generates. But has HYBE truly upheld

[hoary frost]

Anyone know about the paintings MHJ has in her house? Allegations r popping up again

[wind monolith]

Read https://x.com/thegreatgaram?s=21 they recently talked about it again

람짱 // ʀᴀᴍᴊᴊᴀɴɢ (@thegreatgaram) on X

commentary | cheering on #김가람 #kimgaram 🦦 re-debut https://t.co/5NxUeYN8FQ

Twitter

Its all ratmy propaganda since nj r getting more support (bp member)

All of it has been debunked but hybe stans r running out of stuff to talk about so they bringing back old stuff

Hybe stans should look into lsfm director hes 100* worse than what mhj is getting blamed for

But they would never fo that cuz its all about defaming nj and mhj

[hoary frost]

Thanks

[split bramble]

instead of going down a rabbit hole its better to accept lyricists who have no idea about double meaning of a word in american culture wrote that word in, at this rate we're gonna be asking lyricists to be well versed in geopolitics and geo-cultural random stuff

[jolly junco]

everything related to kpop need to be perfect otherwise they will suffer from people critics sometimes people forget korean are also human, not God

[short laurel]

the fact that anti's are spreading those uncensored is more concerning than anything else.

[arctic swan]

I remember his bd$m post with his gf 🙈.

[wind monolith]

He also was part of creating a game at nexon which was very sexual

~t https://x.com/kapsoo/status/1858773933169791162?s=46

[narrow seal]

241119 kapsoo Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/kapsoo/status/1858773933169791162
#민희진 #MinHeeJin
민희진 본안소송 첫 기일 내년 1월 2025 January. lawsuit on the merits.
MinHeejin will win. 민희진 응원합니다!
하이브 HYBE 와 민희진 전 어도어 대표의 주주간 계약 해지 관련 소송이 내년 1월 첫 심리 기일을 연다. 민희진 풋옵션 행사 가능 여부 두고 첨예한 대립 예상.

[wind monolith]

Min Hee-jin's first trial date for the main lawsuit is January 2025. lawsuit on the merits.
MinHeejin will win. We support Min Heejin!
The lawsuit regarding the termination of the shareholder contract between HYBE and former Adore CEO Min Hee-jin will have its first hearing in January next year. A sharp confrontation is expected over whether Min Hee-jin can exercise her put option.

Wow so its gonna start in january too😵‍💫😵‍💫 everything happening in january

[arctic swan]

Yesterday, I dreamt that NewJeans collaborated with major labels like UMG, Sony, and Warner. I guess I'm feeling super optimistic about their future😂😂😂

[wind monolith]

The shareholder lawsuit is the main one right it pre much decides most stuff for mhj?

[mild mist]

As far as I understand, yes

This ruling can determine if she was dismissed unfairly, and if so, she can absolutely take hybe to the cleaners

[heady gate]

u are right. Joining the big 3 is much better than any K-pop companies.

[wind monolith]

https://tenor.com/view/read-gif-9644850

Dw i read it all

[sage pilot]

i’m putting my tin foil hat on and saying that hybe was behind mhj gate/cookie gate. they either started it or put attention on it even more. i mean, MHJ’s IG was right there at least for a year, and nobody gaf until nj’s numbers dropped about their super successful debut album pre-order. then accs like sniper who’s never posted anything before started doing “mhj expose” threads filled with lies about her SM days and getting insane amount of likes. like I was there, I remember it (all too well)

[short laurel]

it's not just kpop but everywhere. companies takes advantage of people and people instead of criticizing, they support them. louis rossmann made a video about it last year.

[short laurel]

no need for tin foil. after seeing hybe talk about noodle incident. i m 100% sure every controversies NJ had is cuz of hybe.

[sage pilot]

it’s the same tactic that was being used during ETA’s scandal too. completely new accs started posting about this, all of it blew up, after awhile those accs deactivated

[wind monolith]

I love how most of nj songs have scandals how sweet had it too ( i wonder who was behind FKK U HYBE)

[sage pilot]

yeah i’m thinking this too. Hybe must be paying to some accs too

[rain spade]

What is it about ?

[short laurel]

cuz like there's no way brand new accounts suddenly become big so quickly again and again without support of big money.

[wind monolith]

It was about the car let me see if i can find it it was specifc to some persons crash in the exact same car

[sage pilot]

how sweet “scandal” is when sniper appeared for the first time, too

[short laurel]

ooh yea they forced it saying "car and coke is similar to car accident from long ago"

insulting both NJ and victims of that accident. just to fulfill their narrative.

[wind monolith]

https://www.timesnownews.com/entertainment-news/korean/newjeans-how-sweet-music-video-was-inspired-by-tlc-lisa-lopes-fatal-car-crash-netizens-slam-ador-ceo-min-hee-jin-article-110501289/amp

This was genuinely so dumb tho made zero sense

[wind monolith]

If only i could see sniper and jjinjin face to face

[sage pilot]

like EVERY comeback, we have something to put dirt on BOTH mhj and NJ. this isn’t a coincidence

[wind monolith]

We also have the mexican jeans or something i forgot their name and bubble gum plagiarism

[short laurel]

that article is about sniper's twt btw it should be there in the link.

[sage pilot]

you’d see the most ugliest incel ever, you got to have a strong stomach for that 🤭

[short laurel]

mexican jeans denied plagiarism. the british group got shammed on for claiming plagiarism on bubble gum.

[wind monolith]

Only one of us will be coming out alive

[wind monolith]

Ya thats y those incels dont talk about it anymore

[short laurel]

they still do. lol

[wind monolith]

I mean like not as much as other stuff

[short laurel]

teambunnies should already have criminal case going on agaisnt jinjin and sniper.

[sage pilot]

i’m praying team bunnies will get their ass faster i’m tired of this

[wind monolith]

Im pre sure team bunnies filed the complaints

[sage pilot]

oh and btw. have y’all noticed how the same hybe expose threads but filled with the truth (like bsh “questionable” taste w women) NEVER blow up like mhj’s threads do? 😁

[wind monolith]

I will never forgive those 3 fandoms for spreading shit like this

[short laurel]

there's boting involved. we know of this cuz of how again and again brand new accoutns blowing up over nothing.

[sage pilot]

i wonder if there’s a page about all of this in hybe’s weekly report (most definitely there is). it’s such a shame the full docs hasn’t been posted, we would have some actual prove to this

[wind monolith]

Do u think nj and mhj might have it

Like the full document

[arctic swan]

This happened back in January 🤔. HYBE has a pattern of copyright issues, and it’s time they address them publicly. It’s frustrating to see people telling the original creator to address it quietly, assuming he’s targeting the artists. In reality, he called out the producer and contacted HYBE, but no response—so he spoke up. Worse, some fans even said he should “thank them for popularizing your music.” That’s just disrespectful.
https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSjmpN9sG/

[rain spade]

of course i think

lawyers need it

[sage pilot]

i mean, mhj maybe, she was getting these reports, after all. idk why she wasn’t posting it before herself

[arctic swan]

Bethief

[short laurel]

this happened ALOT. kpop big companies plagiarise alot and always get shit on when found out. just hybe always gets defended for it. been happening even in their bighit days.

[jolly junco]

Noodle incident?

[wind monolith]

Minji kalguksu incident

Another wildly stupid incident

[rain spade]

honestly so dumb

drama over a food

[jolly junco]

Ah yes this

I’m ready for 2025!!! Lets gaurrr!! They are super confident about 2025

[wind monolith]

They ready to give us all the missing albums. I love all of them🫡

[vague shore]

There was a post summarizing a situation suspected to be a reverse viral marketing campaign https://www.instiz.net/name_enter/94093792?category=2
https://www.instiz.net/name_enter/94094247?category=2
Of course, since it's in Korean, to sum it up briefly
1.When the Shinhan Bank ad started, posts criticizing why people shouldn't use Shinhan Bank were systematically uploaded to communities
2.When the Coca-Cola ad came out, similar organized posts appeared, claiming Coca-Cola tastes bad

[jolly junco]

i'm curious, is this reverse viral marketing also happened to other groups? like maybe other group from another label (SM, YG, JYP, etc...)

[vague shore]

I can also add that recently, when the Indomie ad started, the same thing happened again

[vague shore]

Not that I can remember They even criticized by registering the Japan debut album as J-pop, which is something that's been done routinely by everyone

That's why I'm just waiting for this reverse viral strategy to show up in one of those leaked documents

[lofty compass]

Guys what gonna happen to this server after NJ contract terminate?

[sweet pebble]

nothing

[lofty compass]

Oh nice

[sweet pebble]

only thing changing is their label

[lofty compass]

So they gonna continue as a group?

Just different label

[sweet pebble]

yup

[lofty compass]

Oh nice

[sage pilot]

more proof that nj is not disbanding and all will be well

[sage pilot]

yeah but it’s okay, nj will be free in 2 months and then they will start a re-brand. they won’t disappear

the main trial/lawsuit yes, but injunction will grant them freedom to do whatever they want after ~2 months. injunctions typically is a very quick way to terminate their contracts. other idols did it many times so we’re good

[jolly junco]

~t https://x.com/allkpop/status/1858885955794473235

[narrow seal]

241119 allkpop Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/allkpop/status/1858885955794473235
#HYBE chairman Bang Si Hyuk: 'Collaboration is key to K-pop's global success'
https://www.allkpop.com/article/2024/11/hybe-chairman-bang-si-hyuk-collaboration-is-key-to-k-pops-global-success

[jolly junco]

i think he meant to say: copying others who are success are the key for kpop global success

[waxen musk]

Hybe reminds me of AI image generators. A bunch of copyrighted and art that had a lot of hard work put into them gets fed into a machine and some ugly generic amalgamation is generated by someone with no skill.

[jolly junco]

https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/hybe-owned-supertones-new-ai-voice-changer-lets-artists-change-their-vocals-in-real-time/

well yes, i think HYBE vision is to use AI to sing instead of human in the future............

they bought the company for $32 millions

[sage pilot]

it’s such a shame that bsh and co have so much money to burn. like give it to me, i will do much better investments (after spending some of that money 😋)

[hoary frost]

yea, like buying all newjeans albums 😈

[short lynx]

Real

[steep torrent]

https://x.com/a_maizingblue/status/1858889412374913254?s=46

AmaizingBlue (@A_MaizingBlue) on X

@nwjns1st That’s Duncan Hannah artwork; probably wasn’t a good idea by her to do an interview with these on her wall knowing the general public don’t know his art style or references lol. From what I remember these were gifted to her during one of his exhibitions in Seoul after he passed

Twitter · Nov 19, 2024, 3:05 PM

[sage pilot]

yes and i would also buy out nj’s IP from hybe and give it back to nj and mhj

[steep torrent]

misinformation tweet with 4 million views 70k likes got deleted

[sage pilot]

proven once again that she’s just an artsy person

[hoary frost]

twitterians can tweet the most wrong and insulting thing and get 409k likes from it so im not surprised atp

[steep torrent]

dont even know why they deleted tho

[sage pilot]

the ppl that scream “OH MY GOD MHJ HAS NUDE PAINTINGS ON HER WALL!!1!1!1!” must be the same ppl that demand statues’s private parts be covered at all times

like go to a museum once in awhile i beg

[sweet pebble]

*yt https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwlmG5DKFV0

[waxen musk]

Holy shit this whole time I was confused and thought she had photos on the walls because that's all people shared (i kept seeing the photographic version of the images and not the painting versions of her FULL wall, wide shot) but they were artworks gifted by a person who's exhibit she visited. OMG it's so much less weird than I was thinking.

[sweet pebble]

whos kookielit

whatd she do?

ahh, she js popped up on my recommended lol

yah it really caught my attention

[short laurel]

Which one n which account?

[steep torrent]

about the artwork on her wall

[steep torrent]

you can see the account here just scroll up

[short laurel]

Ohk. I thought one Of those 2 accounts deleted.. they are still there...

[hoary frost]

7 days

[waxen musk]

Is it 14 days after NJ said (13th) or after ADOR received (14th)?

I thought we’re waiting for the 27th but I’ve seen others say the 28th. Or maybe they just can’t count to 14.

[hoary frost]

It’s the 27th

It was announced on Wedsneday the 13th so its the 27th

Right?

[waxen musk]

I think people are confused because it took one extra day for ADOR to receive the letter from NJ and are counting from that date. So I’m not sure.

I was assuming 27th the whole time.

[hoary frost]

Me too

[waxen musk]

Anyway I’m so glad I can confidently debunk that MHJ wall pic stuff. INSANE that spread to 4 million people.
Now we can all say:
The images on MHJ’s wall were paintings (not photos) of 18+ women created by an artist. Someone gifted these painting to her after being invited to his exhibit. MHJ was not aware of the context of the movies the paintings were referencing.

I feel relief that I know what to say so confidently now. (Instead of saying “it’s been debunked” and then not having a link on hand.)

I wish I had more on hand immediately for the other stuff and stuff I may not be aware of. But this is most important since so many millions of people saw the misinformation (probably bots though).

[hoary frost]

I shot down an army thabks to that debunk

[waxen musk]

Anyway correct me if I’m wrong I want to be 100% confident in what I say.

[steep torrent]

would be crazy if they got it to pass
https://x.com/cato_o_o/status/1858901470155767818?s=46

Cato_o_o (@cato_o_o) on X

Petition for legislation of SLAPP (Strategic lawsuit against public participation) has started also today. Expires 30 days from now.

347 so far.

https://t.co/vt19DQn3eC

Twitter · Nov 19, 2024, 3:53 PM

was already hard to get 50k for hybe tax audit

[neon igloo]

*x -c https://x.com/ultokki/status/1858767013126303928

[harsh dove]

@ultokki <t:1731999564:d>

thread of all the weird things, producer and hybe chairperson, bang sihyuk (bsh) has done.

let's all have compassion for the artists who have worked under him, so please do not drag them.

and for legal reasons, this is all alleged 🙌

[neon igloo]

I am in shock

[short laurel]

no. it was done in 10 days. they give around 30 days so it was super fast actually.

[waxen musk]

I had seen a lot already but not this much before. Insane.

[bronze jetty]

an army cannot comprehend the work that team bunnies is doing

[sage pilot]

the artwork was gifted to MHJ by her friend, not the artist himself 😊

[hoary frost]

Twitter is a scary place im going back to tt

[copper jetty]

I know right? Everyday I regret joining stan Twitter but when I see people mass liking misinformation about newjeans I get heated so I joined in. I can't stand 1k+ likes about newjeans hate and it's misinformation

Also it's a good place to hear about newjeans news aside from this server.

[steep torrent]

*x -c
https://x.com/thegreatgaram/status/1858969282853695730?s=46

[harsh dove]

@thegreatgaram <t:1732047789:d>

It's duplicitous that they acknowledge the wall art are paintings, but still use the film captures/stills in their post and mention the film's plot to force a sinister association, as if it has any meaning to MHJ. The paintings were gifted to her.

The paintings did not come into MHJ's possession because she's a fan of the actress or any of her films; and the actress was of adult age when she participated in those films.

Whether MHJ is a fan of the artist or not is unknown, but Duncan Hannah is an American painter known for painting film scenes and niche actresses.

1. https://whitehotmagazine.com/articles/york-based-artist-duncan-hannah/3440
2. https://www.joongang.co.kr/article/25093280

[waxen musk]

Oh right. Sorry. Good to get the details exact! Again that 4 million views post and similar posts over time using the photographs really confused me for a long time.

[bronze jetty]

*x -c https://x.com/a_maizingblue/status/1858889412374913254?s=46

AmaizingBlue (@A_MaizingBlue) on X

@nwjns1st That’s Duncan Hannah artwork; probably wasn’t a good idea by her to do an interview with these on her wall knowing the general public don’t know his art style or references lol. From what I remember these were gifted to her during one of his exhibitions in Seoul after he passed

Twitter · Nov 19, 2024, 3:05 PM

[harsh dove]

:warning: Tweet with id 1858889412374913254 does not contain any media!

[jolly junco]

Tell me i’m crazy, but why is the painting controversy came up again? A few days ago someone came to make a ruckus about it too in here. Its almost like a coordinated attack planned by HYBE

[waxen musk]

4. million. views.

btw what period of time did it take to reach 4m views?

I also have no idea why, at least to me, it really feels like the attacks on NJ/MHJ have reached a high point... all over some of the oldest controversies, nothing new.

At least it finally let us fully clarify the truth of the situation this time, FINALLY.

[waxen musk]

WAIT... it reached 4m views with it being posted on the 18th? That was yesterday. That's so unbelievable.

[steep torrent]

20 hours to be specific

[waxen musk]

Lets just hope it wasn't 4m real people who saw that because holy shit.

[steep torrent]

think they got scared it blew up so fast

[wind monolith]

deff not 4 mill acc ppl, im pre sure they use bots to gain attraction

[bronze jetty]

is this in regards to jtkblueberry's tweet?

[bronze jetty]

https://x.com/everywonblink/status/1858943544737886381?s=46 that's what they're thinking as well

🏁 (@everywonblink) on X

@nwjns1st Bigger the tweet, bigger the lawsuit. Defamation laws are strict in Korea and team bunnies is active rn. So maybe after spreading misinformation he deleted to prevent a lawsuit

Twitter · Nov 19, 2024, 6:40 PM

[red thorn]

Could be that or they could be annoyed by notifs

[steep torrent]

[hoary frost]

aint that the guy that called hyein the 'loml'

cant take shit seriously from this guy

[waxen musk]

https://www.yna.co.kr/view/AKR20241120027900530?input=tw

Ministry of Employment and Labor concluded that it did not constitute workplace bullying, saying, "It is difficult to view them as workers under the Labor Standards Act."

No progress at all.

[hoary frost]

didnt even know we are left 1 week until the deadline

[sage pilot]

This is insane… South Korea does not view idols as humans.

[arctic swan]

https://x.com/oomelonooo/status/1858652702139359502?t=JeSyaeSoANZhtzk0I1Q3gQ&s=19 the replies on this post 😂 he got cooked

merymore⁷ (@oomelonooo) on X

@nwjns1st @stephaningrelat @manjreene @pannchoa but how you feel about this? your opinion sweety??

Twitter · Nov 18, 2024, 11:25 PM

[ornate vine]

this is so...

[steel depot]

what?!? so where do you put kpop idols rights in the labor rulings????

[waxen musk]

You don’t…

[hoary frost]

they treat idols like robots

[red thorn]

So still that idol =/= worker issue

[sage pilot]

~t https://x.com/kumachan982/status/1859028580338110618?s=46

[narrow seal]

241120 kumachan982 Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/kumachan982/status/1859028580338110618
In terms of protection by laws, Hanni is as insecure as any other freelance creators and self-employed individuals. Ministry of Labor is just play games of qualification.

[vague shore]

They've already started their media manipulation Originally, the intention was to represent people who fall into legal blind spots in labor law by appearing at the NA audit, appealing for necessary legal reforms However, they're now using media manipulation to make it appear as if these legitimate grievances were somehow wrong or invalid

[red thorn]

The law needs change because of this

[sage pilot]

Who’s using media play? Hybe or the government?

[vague shore]

Obviously it's Hybe

[steel depot]

how many percentages does korea economy get of kpop idols for them not to consider them as workers?

[sage pilot]

So disheartening… Hybe’s got media in their clutches

[steep torrent]

we already found this out after the national assembly, but for them to actually say it..

[wind monolith]

so the petition was useless?

[steel depot]

is that on the labor code of korea or are they revising it now because of this situation and hybe getting hold of them?

[vague shore]

To explain a little further, the opposition party has been pushing for labor law reforms for several years, but the ruling party and Jaebeols don't want this change Looking at the bigger picture, the current government likely doesn't want this issue to gain attention because if it does, freelance workers like delivery drivers would need to be protected under labor laws

[sage pilot]

Oh yeah, what a horrible thing it would be to the ultra wealthy — to pay their workers fairly. I don’t want to quote the Joker, but we do live in a society

[steel depot]

i dont have any knowledge of korea labor but that's effed up...

[vague shore]

However, looking at the bright side, Hanni's appearance at the NA audit has drawn significant attention to the issue This has helped shine a spotlight on others in legal blind spots, such as webtoon artists and delivery drivers Also the leaked documents have added fuel to the fire, and despite their media play attempts, these issues are being re-examined So things might not go exactly as they planned, and that's what I'm hoping for

[steep torrent]

However, after Hani attended the National Assembly Environmental Labor Committee as a reference and testified, the opposition parties demanded institutional supplementation to the blind spot of the labor law, saying that the artist's 'laborability' is not legally guaranteed, and attention is focused on whether a supplementary measure will be prepared.

hoping this means theres legislative reforms in the works or something

[wind monolith]

well its an L but lets look forward to the next 9 days get newjeans out of the horrible company

[waxen musk]

Sorry I just saw “laborability”, misread it, and immediately thought of putting Hanni in glasses as Dexter from Dexter’s Laboritory.

[sage pilot]

It’s good that there’s a bright side, but the situation is so fucked up still. The company bullies you, and the law is like “well legally you’re not a worker so good luck”. The company won’t protect you, the law won’t protect you. Who tf will then?

[hoary frost]

i also dont like when ppl call newjeans overreacting like sorry theyre trying to get the voice out and have your fave worked in a better working environment

[steep torrent]

hate that people are gonna run with this and say there was no bullying

[jolly junco]

Australia embassy were open to provide help for hanni and dani....... so....

[red thorn]

Team Kpop surely

[hoary frost]

wait i can see the vision

sorry wrong reply

[sage pilot]

Oh right. They absolutely should step up

[jolly junco]

maybe they can start from there

[steep torrent]

some of the reasons were so stupid.. like not having fixed working hours??

[jolly junco]

kpop these days depends alot from foreigner members

[hoary frost]

already dislike hybe since ive heard them overworking TXT so i hope they spoke up about it

[jolly junco]

these txt members you mentioned prefer to be dead before they will speak up about it

[sage pilot]

Right like??? If you don’t have fixed working hours your actual work hours just disappear or what? That sounds like a joke, I can’t believe this is reality

[jolly junco]

NJ already laid down the base, but no one came out from HYBE

so i wont expect anyone to come out and speak about it

[hoary frost]

its unfortunate, cus if its only newjeans speaking up theyre gonna be labeled as 'ungrateful brats'

[steep torrent]

what if theres an idol who was beat by their staff? is there really nothing they can do?

[steel depot]

it's always 'it's okay to be oppressed than lose our jobs' i hope they get their chess up someday.. speak up now that some idols are speaking up...

[copper jetty]

Wait, so the news from yonhap was legit?? It's an L for the labor sector that can't be included in the labor laws??

Yow... No.

[steep torrent]

*x -c https://x.com/haerin1st/status/1859037876929130665?s=46

[harsh dove]

@haerin1st <t:1732064143:d>

remember that tokkis already predicted this months ago 💤

[copper jetty]

Also there was that audit for Hybe's "top company" that disappeared... sketchy af, So yeah. I'm not surprised about this

Atp hybe has connections to the government

[steep torrent]

dont even bother going on twt man these mfs are celebrating the fact idols are not seen as workers

[steel depot]

even the hybe audit is not gonna happen?

[sage pilot]

that kchartmaster acc on twitter is pissing me off. they’re fast as lighting as soon as NJ gets unsatisfied news and ppl are already celebrating this 🤡

[jade jolt]

Isn t bang PD father in the government?

[copper jetty]

I blocked that account since last April. If it's bad news fast as lightning but if it's newjeans good news, quiet as hell.

[jolly junco]

what a weirdo, they rather seen their faves as a slave than a worker

[copper jetty]

Retired i think.

[jolly junco]

he is the chairman of labor welfare as of now

[wind monolith]

~t https://twitter.com/PoppyKPoppie/status/1859039073526313091

[narrow seal]

241120 PoppyKPoppie Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/PoppyKPoppie/status/1859039073526313091
before any of you panic...this is not the national assembly's response.. this was a district branch of seoul's regional labor office that handled the complaint made by ktokkis (was it team bunnies?)
this was the first civil complaint made about this issue.
we anticipated the

[copper jetty]

Wait really? I thought he was retired already

[vague shore]

He has retired https://namu.wiki/w/방극윤

but still have connections

[jade jolt]

So this might have to do with the response they gave hanni now maybe

[heady gate]

Serving as a chairman, it means he is active. That is not retirement.

[sage pilot]

Well ktokkis are saying that their reply added more reasons for contact termination, so this is a good news too

[heady gate]

Hopfully, the NA would revoke Hybe's Top Company status soon.

[sage pilot]

They’re the only one big kpop acc who never posted any of Hybe’s docs 🤡

[hoary frost]

read this as kinemaster acc and i was confused on why an editing program brand involve themselves

[sage pilot]

~t https://x.com/tina2nhr/status/1859036444985356772?s=46

[narrow seal]

241120 tina2nHR Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/tina2nHR/status/1859036444985356772
NewJeans let's go~

[wind monolith]

in the end our best bet is contract termination freedom from hybe will bring peace

[heady gate]

That account sounds familiar.

[vague shore]

Haha following that logic, since NJ are not employees, they can request a change of CEO

[wind monolith]

fkin jjinjin

[heady gate]

ah fxxxxxxxx

[copper jetty]

Huh? Why jjinjin there???

[sage pilot]

You gotta exorcise your account from incel energy and demons now, contact MHJ

[stoic heron]

I'm so lost what happened guys?

[copper jetty]

Do you have holy water? If not alcohol swab. Disinfect the mf

[copper jetty]

[heady gate]

I commented Alex's video and somehow Jjjinjin is watching alex's account.

[sage pilot]

~t https://x.com/a_maizingblue/status/1859043497481040360?s=46

[narrow seal]

241120 A_MaizingBlue Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/A_MaizingBlue/status/1859043497481040360
@hygracelee Now I understand why all these idols are passing out and getting sick, there’s no protective measures to regulate working hours in place 🥴

[copper jetty]

Should I message her? She's probably following that account.

[heady gate]

I will let u do it

[copper jetty]

I get the no set work place and time but working hours?? Not even set to like 40 hours per week??? Yow what in the slavery is this??

[copper jetty]

Let me grab your screenshot.

[frosty echo]

https://tenor.com/view/uhh-cat-meow-meowmeow-confused-gif-8057852975940592422

[steep torrent]

how long would it even take to implement the changes

~tt https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTYYeaXnQ/

[narrow seal]

241118 geiparc TikTok Update
https://www.tiktok.com/@geiparc/video/7438668917427490081
soloist DPR IAN, before known as Rome from the KPOP group C-CLOWN. he never hesitates on calking out the kpop industry for the trouble it caused him, especially him already struggling himself with DID and bipolar. this is the reality of how idols are treated and im not sure many kpop stans are actually aware of the stuff their idols go through. #dpr #dprian #kpop #kpopindustry #kpopstan #viral #foryou

[copper jetty]

Does Japan cover labor laws for idols cause what if newjeans company get based in Japan?? Like?? Is this possible?

[steep torrent]

not saying they need to but if bts members spoke out it would really help but idk if that will happen any time soon

[copper jetty]

Yeah. I'm familiar with this. I was even surprised about the blackmail thing. I mean.. if small companies do that, what are the chances that big companies also.

[sage pilot]

What’s even weirder for me is the fact that there’s so many minors working in the kpop industry. I wonder if they’re protected by some child labor law bc if not…

[copper jetty]

Alex sent a reply

Can I dm u or do want me to post it here???

[heady gate]

No

I am cool

[copper jetty]

Wait what does that mean??? Do I dm it or no???

[heady gate]

no dm

[copper jetty]

She sent this so jjinjin might be following you. Check your following on x

Or block them

[heady gate]

jjinjin is not on my account

jjinjin is a male?

[young hearth]

i dont think we know

[copper jetty]

Honestly I don't know

[heady gate]

*x https://x.com/yonhaptweet/status/1859017673340055793

연합뉴스 (@yonhaptweet) on X

노동부 "뉴진스 하니, 근로자 아냐"…직장내괴롭힘 민원 종결 https://t.co/pZwZwNjHF8

Twitter · Nov 19, 2024, 11:35 PM

[harsh dove]

:warning: Tweet with id 1859017673340055793 does not contain any media!

[heady gate]

translation said "Ministry of Labor: "New Jeans Honey is not a worker"... Workplace bullying complaint ends"

Now, I understand why K-pop agencies abuse their artists. b/c they are not considered as works. That country is f up

K-artists need to form a union

[copper jetty]

Honestly I agree. They should form a union but I doubt that companies would like that.

[heady gate]

Maybe NA can create a new partition about establishing a K-artist's union

[copper jetty]

I think that was the main point of the NA.

But honestly I don't think they can do anything but draft a law and pass it.

[heady gate]

There are two ongoing petitions. Legal Loopholes Exposed by the Social Misconduct of Major Entertainment Companies and legislation of SLAPP

[cinder verge]

is the ministry of labor the end all be all of this decision? like is there no further consideration for idols as employees?

[heady gate]

It is not part of the law. It is a loophole.

[vague shore]

They can't do anything with the current labor law it's the lawmakers' job

[cerulean lake]

hope people don’t see this as a fanwar issue but realize that this applies to all their idols

good luck trying to get companies trying to treat idols better and let’s see if they’re still laughing

[marble cape]

did the results of the NA come out?

[cerulean lake]

basically it said they can’t consider it workplace harassment bc idols aren’t technically workers and so they don’t have worker rights

[wind monolith]

twitter is hell rn

fanwars r raging

~https://twitter.com/PoppyKPoppie/status/1859067737974468900

PoppyKPoppie (@PoppyKPoppie) on X

legit need mhj to start her own label that provides protection and rights to its artist, its workers, staff, including its proprietary assets.

Twitter · Nov 20, 2024, 2:54 AM

this day will come and nj will be coming out with bangers

[steel depot]

it will happen and we're gonna manifest it real hard

[wind monolith]

~t https://x.com/juantokki/status/1859073263718330551?s=46

[narrow seal]

241120 juantokki Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/juantokki/status/1859073263718330551
Information/Update:

The Ministry of Employment and Labor’s response has essentially provided more grounds for terminating NewJeans’ contract.

Summary:

Some people previously argued that it was presumptuous for an ordinary employee of a company to demand a change in leadership.

[wind monolith]

Well take that as a W

[young wyvern]

who are they talking about?

[wind monolith]

They talking about hybe and ador

The relationship is defined as one where both parties are equal contractual entities, each fulfilling their contractual obligations.”

This implies that if there was harassment within the contractual relationship, and no effort was made to address or rectify it, this could strongly justify contract termination.

https://tenor.com/view/time-machine-cat-kitten-flux-capacitor-flux-gif-7745441996191331718

Dw guys thats my time machine ill be right back with the news

[jolly junco]

There are more than 100 articles news about ministry labor rejected Hanni complaints regarding workplace bullying in less than 12 hours

Paychecks flying to all the reporters

[steel depot]

ugh if this mess ends and newjeans wins im gonna buy a freakin cake and cry

[cerulean lake]

i’m so tired of all this i think i’m gonna give kpop a break and only watch twice for now

[steel depot]

take a mental break it's more important to take care of yourself

[jolly junco]

Please dont give up on newjeans 🥲 hyein already said they have a big plan for 2025, trust them

[cerulean lake]

nahh of course i won’t leave them but it’s just so exhausting to see things finally moving well and then have stuff like this come out 🫠😪

[jolly junco]

Yeah i agree its mentally exhausting, just dont follow the case anymore and enjoy whatever positive content that came out from newjeans

[leaden pawn]

https://x.com/NJBUBBLEGUM/status/1859086421556154666

. (@NJBUBBLEGUM) on X

[BREAKING] Min Hee-jin terminates shareholders' agreement with HYBE, resigns as internal director of ADOR
(Full Statement is on translation)
https://t.co/Z6re4ZQWGd

Twitter · Nov 20, 2024, 4:08 AM

[sage pilot]

Let’s go to freedom!!

[steel depot]

wait omg gonna check it firs tif it's legit

tell me im dreamin!! tell me tell me

[cerulean lake]

wait i thought she didn’t accept that director position in the first place?

[vague shore]

now the escape plan started

[tiny peak]

I trust the smartest and most creative minds in kpop

[split bramble]

the team is leaving together

[sage pilot]

Will there be anybody working at ADOR anymore besides KYJ and co lol

[steel depot]

now they can't give newjeans request... next stop newjeans contract termination

[rain spade]

hope all staff leaves with them

[sage pilot]

“I hope you will also show interest in the new K-pop journey I will embark on in the future.”
We will

[steel depot]

i hope so too especially jei kim, blackq, jerry, and yellz

[hoary frost]

*x -c https://x.com/juantokki/status/1859087741168087133?s=46&t=kXGhBk_3DiP7ccDDKf8qcQ

[harsh dove]

@juantokki <t:1732076032:d>

‘NewJeans Mom’ Min Hee-jin Leaves ADOR: “HYBE’s Misdeeds Will Go Down in History”
https://sports.khan.co.kr/article/202411201302003?pt=nv
By Lee Seon-myung

Min Hee-jin, the former CEO of ADOR, has announced her departure from both HYBE and ADOR.

On the 20th, Min issued a statement, saying, “Today, I am terminating the shareholder agreement I signed with HYBE and resigning from my position as an internal director at ADOR.”

She added, “Over the past seven months, I have been locked in a nightmarish dispute with HYBE, which began with their illegal audits in April. Despite this, I have done everything in my power to uphold the shareholder agreement and restore ADOR to its original state before April.”

Min explained, “I wanted HYBE to acknowledge their wrongdoing and have worked tirelessly to protect NewJeans from the distorted environment within HYBE. That is why I sent two whistleblowing emails in April.”

She also criticized HYBE, stating, “Rather than reflecting on their actions, HYBE fabricated baseless falsehoods and displayed their disgraceful, illegal audits to the public, an act of unprecedented foolishness. They framed me, a minority shareholder and CEO, as attempting a ‘management takeover,’ engaging in irrational and ignorant attacks unworthy of a major corporation.”

Min continued, “After more than seven arduous months, it has become clear that my whistleblowing was legitimate and based on facts, while HYBE’s ugly lies and hypocrisy are being exposed one by one. While I didn’t expect them to repent, I at least believed they had a minimal sense of conscience. It seems I was naive to think so.”

She declared, “The misdeeds HYBE committed in 2024 will go down as an unprecedented scandal in K-pop history.”

Min expressed gratitude to the fans who supported her throughout the ordeal, especially NewJeans’ fanbase, Bunnies, saying, “Although this incident isn’t over, I extend my heartfelt thanks to

[hoary frost]

Its basically confirmed yea atp

[jolly junco]

FREEDOMMMM

[unborn arrow]

[gleaming scarab]

thats freedom for mhj not newjeans , we still gotta wait

[lucid yarrow]

oh 20th today korean time

[steel depot]

7days left

[hushed whale]

[sage pilot]

I feel like MHJ and NJ will either establish their own company or sign with someone very powerful but who’s hasn’t yet been in the music industry. Just my speculation

[cosmic bison]

What happens 27?

[wind monolith]

Hi guys im back from the future so mhj terminates her contract 🤗

[wind monolith]

After 27th newjeans contract termination starts

We r in the endgame FINAL SEASON

[lucid yarrow]

too bad its going take forever

[jolly junco]

Galaxy corporation

[knotty valve]

Maybe Apple? That’s like wishful thinking but they really had a great working relationship together

[rain spade]

so she's not working in ador anymore ?

[wind monolith]

Nope

[jolly junco]

As of today, nope

[sage pilot]

I think it depends on whatever path they will choose

[jolly junco]

I guess MHJ sees that HYBE wont fulfill NJ demand so she’s leaving with the girls together

[sage pilot]

Would be nice, but I think signing with Apple in Korea isn’t a good idea. It’s Samsung’s land after all

[wind monolith]

Ratmys cheering for this too😭

[leaden pawn]

hyundai motor music group

[cosmic belfry]

Timing is weird. In theory, what if HYBE decides to actually meet their demands.

[jolly junco]

This brainless group dont know whats coming for their favorite company

[wind monolith]

Wonder what happens with the non compete since it was tied with this agreement

[cosmic belfry]

Probably a main motivator for her to state she is terminating it now. Legally not sure if that means it's still active until the lawsuits. But HYBE also insists Shareholder's agreement is terminated.

[steel depot]

omg

[jolly junco]

I’m sure they already have a discussion with NJ behind the scene, and the girls reporting to MHJ so they concluded things wont go they way they asked

[unborn jewel]

so does this recent news mean that they actually are set on termination

[steel depot]

if ever... why now?

[cosmic belfry]

To keep them under contract

they could argue they tried to sign MHJ but she resigned etc etc

[jolly junco]

I think this already confirmed ever since NJ speech at KGMA

[wind monolith]

Hybe was never gonna meet their demands

[sage pilot]

They would have to sign MHJ back then. And we all know this will never happen. The timing is this fast bc they need to move on from this situation already

[jolly junco]

But thats not on the demands tho?

[unborn jewel]

yeah but to me the words they chose actually held out hope
like one last chance to make things right

[steel depot]

they want newjeans out so i don't think they ever think of meeting their demands

[unborn jewel]

it didnt sound definite
but now it probably is

[cosmic belfry]

yea I couldn't find evidence that it was one of the demands but they do mention it.

[sage pilot]

They have to try first

[jolly junco]

They mention it on emergency live, but not on the legal notice. So HYBE cant use this against them on court

[unborn jewel]

we'll just have to wait and see

its already been a week since
damn

[wind monolith]

Damn alot happened tdy

[jolly junco]

I’m 99% sure they all work together on when to send legal notice, everything has been planned

[sage pilot]

Honestly, it’s good for MHJ. Put option still valid, non-compete is no longer in effect. Now we have to get good things for NJ. Fast termination first, then IP rights

[unborn jewel]

i think theyll probably wait until the year finishes

[jolly junco]

We really shoudlnt care about the IP, lets just start fresh

Leave everything behind. Start completely new

[steel depot]

protect newjeans at all costs

[sage pilot]

I’m kinda torn on this. I agree, but I feel like they should at least try to fight for their name

[hoary frost]

I doubt they will get the IP however in 10yeare time we can get a similar concept to taylor swift , something like ETA ( newjeans version )

[steel depot]

forget the IP because that's another legal battle...

[hoary frost]

More like hybe legally owns it becuz they released them under ador

[steel depot]

yup

[sage pilot]

~t https://x.com/cakedegg/status/1859094769173237836?s=46

[narrow seal]

241120 CakeDegg Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/CakeDegg/status/1859094769173237836
🧢 unfollowed ADOR

[wind monolith]

She quick with that

[jolly junco]

Fighting for IP wasted too many years, i just want us (NJ, bunnies and everyone who work behind them) to start new

Completely cut ties with HYBE, so people wont associates them with HYBE anymore in the future

[hushed whale]

so funny that they were the ones who accused her of trying to take newjeans away, only to end up chasing newjeans away themselves

[unborn jewel]

it was a ploy they said out first so they could get what they wanted without seeming suspicious

[steel depot]

🙏

[cosmic bison]

Protect newjeans at all cost 🫶

[pulsar meteor]

I saw a tweet about Hanni’s mistreatment being dismissed is this true ? Haven’t seen any source is it posted in this thread

[sage pilot]

Yeah, but it’s still their work and their legacy. I know how it’s important for artists to own their work. They can’t just throw it away

[jolly junco]

Dont think “what a waste for the IP”

Guys, its minji hanni dani haerin hyein!! They are super talented, they can create something even better now that HYBE wont be able to sabotage them

[unborn jewel]

the contract does not consider her a worker, therefore, has no protection in the workplace

[jolly junco]

I trust them 100% that they can create something even better now that they are free

[wind monolith]

This means she can now start talking to investors without hybe running in her business

[jolly junco]

These 5 girls are not your common kpop factory products (sorry to other idol groups out there, but its a fact)

[modern fog]

Right Now mentioned!!!!

[sage pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/johnny-deep-potc-pirates-of-the-caribbean-jack-sparrow-running-away-gif-10213276
MHJ running from the calls from investors now

[unborn jewel]

• like other fandoms think they are

[wind monolith]

https://tenor.com/view/kokotwt-drake-cheering-gif-26266093

[unborn jewel]

like seriously i see so many people say that they "threw away their careers"
even if they did, are they not more than their careers?

[wind monolith]

Their mental health matters more than their career. So whoever says they threw away their career r stupid

[pulsar meteor]

Hm. That was brought up by Hybe lady at the NA too right ?

[jolly junco]

Pfftt throwing away their career? More like on their way to make their next big hit

This what makes a “true artist” different from your common kpop factory products

[unborn jewel]

idk this is just what i was thinkinh right now

[sage pilot]

~t https://x.com/tina2nhr/status/1859095088481353833?s=46

tin #MAOMAO'S CHEERLEADER🐈‍⬛🖤 (@tina2nHR) on X

"정말 나빴다." not her qouting what kim taeho said she's so.... 😭

Twitter · Nov 20, 2024, 4:43 AM

[jolly junco]

If you are afraid you cant make a career out of your current labels, then it speaks volume about your own vision and talent

[wind monolith]

Translation plz😭

[tiny peak]

yes, I hate to say it, but the NewJeans IP and NJ1 do not matter right now. what's important is their well-being

[sage pilot]

Second pic. It’s from belift’s video about plagiarism. He’s saying “It was really bad” lmao

[tiny peak]

so punchable

[pulsar meteor]

The girls will have to wait the full 14 days before they can follow suit right ?

[thick needle]

jumpscare

[quartz jay]

real

[wind monolith]

~t https://x.com/talytokki/status/1859096202727338194?s=46

[narrow seal]

241120 talytokki Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/talytokki/status/1859096202727338194
🗣️🚨🚨this is your reminder to unfollow ador on every platform!!!!!🚨🚨

[jolly junco]

Bruh i already unfollowed them ever since they dismissed MHJ

[steel depot]

pov of people who are scared of newjeans if they ever win this legal battle and get their contract terminated and create their own label/sign contract with a trusting company w/ the most genius kpop director and be bigger than they already are

[cedar saffron]

brb

[sage pilot]

i unfollowed since the day they fired MHJ 😎

[unborn jewel]

damn tho
that mean that they have to leave behind the full album
the one thing that theyve been working on since forever 😭

[wind monolith]

I acc never followed ador😭

[quartz jay]

as u should 👏 💯

[steel depot]

thanks for reminder i hope the boy traineeswill be okay in their tho 😢

[shy schooner]

They can always start fresh once everything gets settled. Patience.

[wind monolith]

I feel bad for them but i hope they debut with anothee label

[unborn jewel]

as an artist id be upset

[sage pilot]

Guys… in seven days (or in 2 months) we will have to unfollow NJ accs

[tired ingot]

if they really disband, how long it takes for them to debuted as a new group

[unborn jewel]

its like if someone punched a whole into my painting

[steel depot]

i hope so too TT

[cedar saffron]

i hope not so long

[wind monolith]

They can always join mhj tho🤪

[tiny peak]

they literally just want to be left alone to create art. is that too much to ask for

[modern fog]

https://x.com/PoppyKPoppie/status/1859090164364308556?t=K7w4Vwz6G0Iwn6V0szmZKg&s=19

PoppyKPoppie (@PoppyKPoppie) on X

Q&A Time... drop your questions in the comments and i'll try my best to provide factual answers.
Q: does mhj have any plans for newjeans?
A: all i can say is that she has never given up. resigning from her post is legally the best option for her to continue working w/ newjeans.

Twitter · Nov 20, 2024, 4:23 AM

[wind monolith]

It will take 2-3 months for the injunction once its done they can redubut

[cedar saffron]

“all i can say is that she has never given up”

[wind monolith]

Take in the practice video is the last performance video and its perfect the songs,suitcases

[tired ingot]

me neither

[tiny peak]

are ADOR staff able to leave? I'm assuming they have regular employment contract or are freelancers

[cosmic bison]

I saw in kick chat before

[wind monolith]

Im pretty sure they can leave tho not 100% i need someone else to confirm

[bronze jetty]

i've always thought they were freelancers for some reason

[hot girder]

is there any possibility that NJ can own their IP + songs after leaving hybe?

[wind monolith]

Dont know thats another lawsuit

They will most likely redebut under a different name

[hot girder]

I'm sure Min Heejin and Newjeans have a good amount of investors behind them, so im thinking that maybe that can grant enough money to go through with the lawsuit

[sage pilot]

Either they buy out their IP or fight for it in the court or they will do nothing bc they can’t access it. We don’t know anything about IPs yet

[wind monolith]

Only time will tell

[sage pilot]

~t https://x.com/juantokki/status/1859096225372590131?s=46

[narrow seal]

241120 juantokki Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/juantokki/status/1859096225372590131
So, Daepyonim officially resigned from her position as internal Director of ADOR, and terminating the shareholder's agreement, which we all know HYBE already breached. Now the legal battle with HYBE begins. She plans to pursue legal action against HYBE for breaches of the

[sage pilot]

“She could also counter all the defamation lawsuits thrown at her. She can file criminal suits too.” LET’S GO 😁😁😁😁

[cosmic bison]

Bunnies never die

[runic knoll]

i hope MHJ and the girls bought the rights of NewJeans name and stuff

[heady gate]

I believe the defamation lawsuits are civic cases.

[wind monolith]

Dont know only time will tell so far they dont have the rights

[heady gate]

Hybe may not sell it to them 🥲

they can choice the buyer

[hushed whale]

yeah def not for sale lol

[heady gate]

or Hybe can keep it

[fierce cloak]

im not fully understand about her put option situation, it seems the court will decide it
i saw comments said she announce to get her put option before terminate contract, so i guess she at least can get for her 13%, while the 5% related to the non compete will be terminated? 🤔

[runic knoll]

i hope more group bands and artists leave HYBE and moved to better agency/company honestly after this long battle

[steel depot]

they should sell it to be able to have chances in going to heaven 😂 im just joking... too much going on in one day

[fierce cloak]

it's okay mhj created nj, she can rebrand them
NJ is popular but just 2 years, they have a long future ahead

[hot girder]

In which case we have to stop listening to their music put on hybe's platform

[fierce cloak]

at this point MHJ left, NJ soon will terminate contract means they made up their mind to leave NJ behind and move forward to new future
MHJ will cook something even better, she barely miss

[cosmic bison]

Fr hybe next target is babymonster group i swear

[leaden pawn]

go old school and play the mp3s in your favorite mediaplayer

[runic knoll]

that fraud agency/company tried to make false information about Zico too

[hot girder]

I'll definitely do that. But the rest of bunnies and casual listeners need to do that too

The sort of thing that orbits did with loona back when it all started crumbling down iykwim

[cosmic bison]

Bunnies stick together all cost 🥺😢

[unborn jewel]

maybe after their redebut they can make enough to buy it 😭
just hypothetical idk

[cosmic bison]

Im crying 😢

[hot girder]

I'm sure they have enough money to buy it. And even if they didn't, it's up to hybe if they want to sell it or not (they don't)

[unborn jewel]

why wouldnt they sell it if they cant make use of it anymore

[hot girder]

they can make use of it even if the girls are out, right?

gfriend stopped existing a while ago and their songs are still up

[unborn jewel]

yeah but only with what is left
there wont be anything new

[sage pilot]

bc it will be the ultimate F you to MHJ and NJ

[unborn jewel]

thats the only reason i guess 😭

[hot girder]

yeah but that's the thing... literally everyone listens to newjeans even if they don't put new songs

[fierce cloak]

i think they can re-record older songs

[unborn jewel]

why am i trying to apply logic to them nevermind

[hot girder]

their spotify is still a great moneymaker and a huge ip so if I was hybe I would literally not sell it lol

[unborn jewel]

it would eventually stale out
the income from just streams would be small

[sage pilot]

We don’t know it yet, depends on their contracts

[pine olive]

what happened

[hot girder]

MHJ left ador/hybe

[cosmic bison]

Bunnies stay strong 🥺

[hot girder]

yeah but it's still up to them to keep the songs. and they don't lose anything by not selling

[pine olive]

Omg

[sage pilot]

~t https://x.com/alldoorsoneroom/status/1458947658991964160?s=46

[narrow seal]

211112 alldoorsoneroom Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/alldoorsoneroom/status/1458947658991964160
🎉 A new beginning awaits!
http://ador.world

#ADOR #AllDoorsOneRoom

[sage pilot]

its an old post btw don’t panic

[sweet pebble]

i heard sumn bout the korean government disregarding hanni's court appearance. what happened?

[unborn jewel]

they get immeadiate instant money which the man himself can blow all on in n out burger 😭 😭

[wind monolith]

U almost had me crashing out

[runic knoll]

oh nvm "fxtwt" doesn't worked

[cosmic bison]

Bunnies fight back 😭

[shut kelp]

this is really good guys

[sage pilot]

it’s the first ADOR post. i wonder if hybe is gonna re-name ADOR to ALLJOY like they wanted

[runic knoll]

istg if that punchable Hybe Chairman did something to silences all the officials at the court

[shut kelp]

hybe was never going to meet nwjns demands

anyone know how long nwjns can terminate their contracts when hybe doesnt meet there demands?

[unborn jewel]

probably because ADOR is dead now

[runic knoll]

until Nov 27 i think

[unborn jewel]

the ultimatum is set on the 27th
they can proceed with termination after that

[wind monolith]

Hybe can now find their grammy producer for an empty shell

[sage pilot]

~t https://x.com/cakedegg/status/1859105514560647231?s=46

[narrow seal]

241120 CakeDegg Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/CakeDegg/status/1859105514560647231
By terminating the shareholder agreement, mhj may choose to sue HYBE for breach of contract to claim compensation for the inability to exercise her shares and for unjustly being dismissed from her CEO position, including lost salary. Additionally, she would no longer be bound by

[tiny peak]

LOL imagine that Fake CEO coming into work on the 27th

[runic knoll]

i hope MHJ sued him

[sage pilot]

“Additionally, she would no longer be bound by non-compete or confidentiality clauses, allowing her to seek new investors and expose HYBE (and Bang Si-hyuk) scandals more comprehensively. She could also file lawsuits against HYBE executives for any illegal actions against her”
lmao they’re never gonna stop her now. maybe she can scare them enough into selling NJ’s IP looool

[runic knoll]

also didn't that guy was on scandal and was caught with two adult streamers on holiday at LA?

[tiny peak]

and I don't team bunnies is going to let up anytime soon

[shut kelp]

hopefully this if hybe agrees to let newjeans free and give the IP to them she wont expose more scandals

[knotty valve]

Really wonder how all these brand deals react to the girls leaving if/when they do so around next week.

Like indomie themselves and the all the big fashion labels are going to be pisssed as hell I bet.

[sage pilot]

what an absolute legend 🧢

[wind monolith]

They will sue hybe

[runic knoll]

most likely since the girls just got announced recently as Brand Ambassador of Indomie brand

[valid sierra]

based

[timber shell]

just wondering but how can be phoning operated like will phoning gonna be belongs to hybe or newjeans?

[wind monolith]

Phoning will be gone

[unborn jewel]

archive everything 😭

[runic knoll]

most likely to Newjeans if MHJ won

[wind monolith]

Its under weverse which is hybe

[upbeat stream]

It would be easy to make a very similar app, phoning should be least of our concerns

[runic knoll]

we definitely should archive every Newjeans photos

[zinc geyser]

So what will happen to their music and music videos?

[sweet pebble]

this lowkey made my day

[runic knoll]

Archived by Hybe most likely

[shy schooner]

New beginnings

[runic knoll]

should this server have big archive folders to archive NewJeans works?

[zinc geyser]

Yes

[runic knoll]

just in case their works somehow will be gone at some point

[zinc geyser]

Yeah it's for the better so we know their legacy lives on in the near future.

[runic knoll]

Internet archive would be a bad choice since it got hacked not long ago

[faint oyster]

how about their albums

[cosmic bison]

Im crying 😢

[runic knoll]

Maybe we could set a google drive account to archive it.

[leaden pawn]

relax bro

[runic knoll]

yeah it still not over yet.

[faint oyster]

i mean the physical album

[hoary frost]

oh shit gd hye ador

[runic knoll]

tbh idk

[wind monolith]

Buy them before they stop being made and be overpriced

[hoary frost]

any celebraters

[sage pilot]

I’m kinda buzzing with excitement thinking about what will NJ post after contract termination

[tired ingot]

we don't even get full album and world tour yet

[zinc geyser]

Is like I want to watch their whole music video from first debut and last song

[wind monolith]

Stuff will comeback slowly for now we have to support them for this

[modern fog]

https://www.instagram.com/p/DClPxb0Jj1J/?igsh=MWZwcWF1OGl3bHNzeg==

min.hee.jin

🙋🏻‍♀️

Likes

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Instagram

[unborn arrow]

~ig https://www.instagram.com/p/DClPxb0Jj1J/

[narrow seal]

241120 min.hee.jin Instagram Update
https://www.instagram.com/p/DClPxb0Jj1J
🙋🏻‍♀️

[unborn arrow]

she’s so

[jolly junco]

what does it means?

[leaden pawn]

resignation

[jolly junco]

ahh okay

[hoary frost]

i think hybe already reach there conclusion NJs will be terminating their contract no way MHJ would leave before them without a plan

[jolly junco]

i'm waiting for her to spill everything she knows about HYBE behind the scene know that she isnt bound by any contract

[modern fog]

documentary soon

[jolly junco]

the day this documentary drop is the day that HYBE will go down

[shut kelp]

😲

[cosmic bison]

Bernice so cute

[runic knoll]

i hope Hybe got exposed big time including its chairman and his scandal too

[sage pilot]

i can’t with her 😁 she was waiting for this day

[valid sierra]

gotta be mhj best day of her life

[jolly junco]

she's been saving that picture on her phone for months

[hoary frost]

so till when is newjeans notice?

[sage pilot]

riiiight this pic and the song too 🤭

[jolly junco]

27th nov, 7 days from now

[mild mist]

Someone should add that to >schedule

[shut kelp]

im guessing we should hold off on our subscription for phoning???

[cosmic belfry]

sub for the annual right now

[jolly junco]

@modern fog what do you think?

[cosmic bison]

What doesn't mean retirement korean?

[modern fog]

do we have a specific date

[jolly junco]

obviously dont worry, i'm sure minji will find a way to communicate with us

[modern fog]

sorry I'm ootl

[leaden pawn]

she already mentioned zoom lol

[shut kelp]

f it time to stream on twitch

[cosmic belfry]

YouTube streams via burner accounts from now on

[jolly junco]

the legal notice dated at 13th November, said 14 days for ADOR to meet their demands before they start terminating their contract.

So the deadline is 27th, they might be start the official lawsuit at 28th

[cosmic belfry]

Twitch would be an option if they operated in Korea

[modern fog]

so basically the final ultimatum is on 27th?

[jolly junco]

yes according to the legal notice

[modern fog]

okay bet

[shut kelp]

so there contracts would be terminated in 2025?

im guessing its a long process

[dry wind]

[jolly junco]

people were saying that they will probably file for an injuction, which will have a result 2 months after. Injuction will granted them a freedom from their contract, basically they are not bound by any contract while they can pursue to terminate their contract officialy

[scenic crest]

What she trying to say?

[modern fog]

resignation

[scenic crest]

i see

[short laurel]

I m glad media reported it like this. This only tells ppl lack of proper law for contract workers. I was worried they might make the report something like "she was not bullied".

[cosmic bison]

Retirement

Hanni pham saying good bye bunnies 🥺😢

[runic knoll]

no. it means resigned

[sage pilot]

Sadly it was reported like that too

[scenic crest]

Good bye but more like to me Good day aussie :3 💪 🇦🇺

[hoary frost]

ngl the confidence of her and newjeans reassures me that everything gonna be okay like kgma might be their last stage as newjeans but they left with a smile

[shut kelp]

so im assuming on the 28th and on they'll continue their schedule?

[runic knoll]

they have to win the lawsuit

[hoary frost]

im glad that she resigned and not kicked out

[short laurel]

So they are daring enough to spread lies about government reports ok

[half knot]

I'll be honest, despite everything that has come out so far, I'm still waiting for the bigger drops

like this is good spilled tea, but I need a whole tea factory's worth of brewed tea

[jolly junco]

They are still newjeans until after the court grant them the injuction

[half knot]

it still feels like they're all holding back in the hopes of some kind of reconciliation and I'm disappointed

[half knot]

even after, they'll be newjeans, even if they don't use the copyrighted name

GFriend girls don't promote as GFriend but still are GFriend despite all their separate endeavors.

[jolly junco]

Well yeah, i meant they are still under contract and have the obligation to their work schedule

[sage pilot]

MHJ was bounded by confidentiality clauses. Now we wait for the documentary for the real tea

[half knot]

I suspect afterwards they'll still have long-term contract complications with their brand deals since artists AND companies sign contract with those endorsement sponsoring companies

so you'll still see them for some time until their brand contracts expire or they re-sign under a different company

[fierce cloak]

they can open personal instagram

[cosmic bison]

Die with smile music 😢

[upbeat stream]

I'm curious about the brand deals because technically those are signed under the "NewJeans" name. If they aren't nwjns anymore, how will they endorse them?

[cerulean lake]

that’s what i’m saying i hope the brands sue hybe

[upbeat stream]

And if they win the injunction, the brands will be pissed at losing their endorsers

[shy schooner]

Either the brands drop the members or they sue hybe for damages

[stiff prairie]

What's the update folks? NA rejected hanni's complaint and news article waves for that and mhj resigning insta post. That's all?

[upbeat stream]

So you can expect many of them to sue or settle for damages

[short laurel]

NA didn't reject it. Ministry did. N complaint was by fandom.
It's still an ongoing discussion in NA

[stiff prairie]

Will the investigation on hanni's CCTV footage incident go on still?

[short laurel]

It was expected result but still sad the read it.

[cosmic bison]

[upbeat stream]

yeah let's move on

[short laurel]

Maybe in court. Idk tbh. Too many cases it could be part of one of them.

[stiff prairie]

Kay

[short laurel]

But have to be clear here, they rejected the complaint about hanni cuz she is not protected by law. It DOES NOT mean that there was no bullying.

[stiff prairie]

i bet people that scream mistreatment for every minute things are cheering idols don't have workers right

[cosmic bison]

Late pop-up

[jolly junco]

they dont know how stupid they sound

[upbeat stream]

They need to fight for the Newjeans name. BBC had copyrighted Loona's Korean name but still the court ruled that the name belongs to the members. Idk how it happened but their lawyers need to study that case

[runic knoll]

i can tell that Ministry had never been on her position

[upbeat stream]

Don't give it up that easily

[valid sierra]

i think all artist contracts in korea are generally poorly made. thats why artists like blackpink established their own agencies to have more freedom

[runic knoll]

would it be possible for MHJ to create her own agency and have the girls as her artists/girlband?

[sonic meadow]

Honestly im so sick with the drama 😭 these girls only just wanted to build a career like other idols

They were following their dreams

[runic knoll]

even other fandom of their favorite group band harassing Hanni's actions about her want herself and the girls and MHJ be free is just sigh ugh

[sonic meadow]

This drama has been going on for 7 months I think

Since April

[vapid turret]

So I guess this is the end of NewJeans as a whole? WHY DO COMPANIES RUIN EVERYTHING I LOVE!?

[runic knoll]

it's HYBE

they are a greedy company

[neon igloo]

It’s not the end, it’s the beginning

[lucid yarrow]

ahem companies are ruining the world but let not get off topic....

[steel depot]

calm down guys today is just the start of the battle...

[neon igloo]

Even in the most pessimistic scenarios, the girls have the option to simply start releasing music content on YouTube :)

[jolly junco]

imagine how NJ and MHJ feels for the past 7 months

[steel depot]

now mhj is free she can proceed on protecting the girls even more and plan for the future

[vapid turret]

Even people like Rose are on their side in the end.

[sonic meadow]

Newjeans also needs to leave that evil company

[split bramble]

they will

[jolly junco]

they will, next week

[tiny peak]

yes! first things first, leave that horrible company

[sonic meadow]

they are leaving next Wednesday (27 November)

[lucid yarrow]

well its not set in stone u never know if they can do 180 but that that 0%

[sweet pebble]

majority is on their side

[tiny peak]

they are 100% leaving

[hoary frost]

i really think they been set to leave hybe they just doing formalities

[split bramble]

leaving now give mhj time to get new label business in order while newjeans are getting their freedom

everything lining up well

[upbeat stream]

I don't see a world where they don't terminate, especially after today's news

[vapid turret]

Still so many antis are saying they ruined their careers

[sweet pebble]

what's today's news

[lucid yarrow]

i dont think she can work or set up any label until lawsuit are gone

[upbeat stream]

mhj resigns from ador

[runic knoll]

MHJ resigned

[sweet pebble]

ah ye

[tiny peak]

the antis don't care about them obviously

[steel depot]

hybe ruined them not the other way around

[split bramble]

she can, lawsuits gonna take years

[tiny peak]

we'll look back and remember this as the moment that changed kpop forever, in a good way. it's just the beginning

[runic knoll]

especially when the chairman was caught with two adult streamers on holiday, the chairman never cared to his artists/group bands

[hoary frost]

tbh i don’t thnk she need to they can go to BANA or sumn

[lucid yarrow]

didn't she post make sure she didn't talk to any investor etc

[upbeat stream]

Why does everyone forget how poorly hybe treats their idols? They are literally worked to the brink, so many of them have complained about extreme exhaustion

[lucid yarrow]

bc it will affect the lawsuit

[upbeat stream]

On the other hand nwjns had the best work life balance in that company

Still they say nwjns are idiots for not wanting to work like crazy to generate money for that evil company

[hoary frost]

she didn’t talk to that doesn’t mean there isnt she said she got offers when the audit dropped

[sonic meadow]

True but also so many companies also treat their idols like that to the point it’s became “normalised” when really it isn’t

[lucid yarrow]

no like few days ago

[tiny peak]

this is what Hanni was trying to say, she wants idols to be treated like actual human beings

[split bramble]

did MHJ already tongue-in-cheek revealed the rebranded name?

NewJourney

[sonic meadow]

New journey fits them ngl

[steel depot]

it's just the first day

[bronze jetty]

i feel like bana would make the most sense

[upbeat stream]

It will need a lot of investment, from what I know it's a pretty small company

[hoary frost]

yea i mean she didn’t have any meetings yet but im pretty sure a lot of ppl are waiting for a chance to get her and newjeans

[vapid turret]

Still, I feel that the girls will be stuck at HYBE for quite some time trying to get out of their contracts because lawsuits are time vampires.

[upbeat stream]

They shouldn't have difficulty attracting investors though

[short laurel]

Injunction suit. 2 months n they'll be free dw

[vapid turret]

Oh yeah that works well as a new name I just want the fandom name to stay the same in the end.

[upbeat stream]

Injunction result will be out by Feb/March

[vapid turret]

I just wish this whole thing didn't happen.

[sonic meadow]

Fr

[vapid turret]

What do you mean by that? Explain like I'm 5 please?

[sonic meadow]

All was well until April

[split bramble]

I'll make a prediction, the girls will have ownership stakes in the new label

currently idols get almost no cut of the merch sales which is a big revenue driver, NJ arent stupid, they'll make sure nobody robs them ever again

[upbeat stream]

It's a much faster lawsuit which only takes 2-3 months. It basically allows for action to be taken quickly because not acting it would cause serious harm. In this case, the main lawsuit can take years so an injunction is necessary for nwjns to work while the main lawsuit still goes on

[vapid turret]

Oh, still how long do you think it will take for them to re-debut like ablume will?

[split bramble]

I'd say NJ will redebut 2nd quarter of 2025, and drop entire NJ1 album to start the new era

[upbeat stream]

Idk Hyein says she wants a fanmeeting next year so let's hope they redebut in 2025

[vapid turret]

Oh yeah that's also the same year BTS is also supposed to comeback. Literally their military service will be over by then. So things may be looking up for K-pop as a whole by next year.

I just truly hate fanwars and antis being as mean as they are, many of us just want to have fun.

[sonic meadow]

2024 was a horrible year for kpop (iykyk)

[vapid turret]

Oh I know very well

I'm also hoping Katseye can stay wise in the future they just debuted as a global group but of all of the companies they had to sign with it was HYBE!

[split bramble]

foreign bg/gg are different, they open their own labels and go their own way as soon as the slave contract is done

blackpink took a page out of that

[sonic meadow]

BLACKPINK is a mixture of both Korean and western I think

[vapid turret]

Rose is from New Zealand and Lisa is from Thailand. Jisoo and Jennie are both Korean.

[short laurel]

American laws are relatively better than sk. Hybe can't get away if they overworked katseye

[lost violet]

what will newjeans name be if they leave hybe?

[short laurel]

So bang would be careful

[sonic meadow]

Yeah half of the members are foreigners and the other half Korean that makes a mixture for me

[split bramble]

lisa, jennie got their own companies now, rose got a dual contract with both UMG in usa and black label in korea, jisoo going acting+modelling route

[sonic meadow]

Idk why are we talking about bp when this channel is only about MHJ vs hybe things

[vapid turret]

Someone said New Journeys I like the name New Jewels or New Seas.

[vapid turret]

Because we know what other idols go through.

[sonic meadow]

Yes BP is going through mistreatment if your talking about comeback wise

[vapid turret]

But still, I just feel like I won't be cool in the k-pop community because I'm a multistan and I just want to listen to songs.

[sonic meadow]

Same im a multistan too

[vapid turret]

And then enjoy concerts when I can. Why can't we be like people at K-pop random dance plays?

They're not fighting they're just dancing to music they love.

[sonic meadow]

Because majority cares about charts, streams

A song is not a “flop” if it isn’t doing well on charts. Music quality matters

[steel depot]

or 🧢 only pls

[jolly junco]

Regardless of charts, being popular and success in your own country is a must, in NJ case its South Korea. If you are loved by the koreans, you will be guaranteed a success even after you “graduated” from your idol era

Just look at SNSD, even after almost 20years they are still popular in the industry

Its no use being popular outside korea, because when you stop being an idol, thats also when your career will stuck in place

[steel depot]

yes she is

[jolly junco]

She’s resigning from ADOR and terminating her shareholder contract with HYBE

[harsh dove]

:warning: Found no Twitter/X links to embed!

[flint stone]

~t https://x.com/newjeansnews_/status/1859142994701808078?t=tkYcbWnQu_Ogj7onZ_QnRw&s=19

[narrow seal]

241120 newjeansnews_ Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/newjeansnews_/status/1859142994701808078
[Regarding NewJeans' Trademark - IP Rights]

I did a quick search on the Korean Intellectual Property Rights Information Service (KIPRIS) and only found "New Jeans" registered by ADOR Co., Ltd.

I tried seeing if "뉴진스" was registered by ADOR too but it doesn't seem to be, it

[flint stone]

Why it's not showing all post

Missing part: I tried seeing if "뉴진스" was registered by ADOR too but it doesn't seem to be, it was 'Rejected' after another company tried to apply for Trademark rights (hanhyeon Inc.)

As well as "NewJeans" (without the space), there is no trademark registered by ADOR.

Regarding the fandom name "Bunnies" we will be able to continue using it as it is not trademarked

Does anyone understand what does this mean?

[jolly junco]

Who own Hanhyeon Inc.?

Now we just wait for NJ to terminate their contract, and then everything will be set in stone

[flint stone]

First time hearing about this company, so don't know

Is it this one? (First site that appears) https://www.dnb.com/business-directory/company-profiles.hanhyeon_industrial_co_ltd.af22b3ce5baa34030086ffb452dba0f9.html

[lost violet]

lowk they can change to newjeanz

[steel depot]

so the 'New Jeans' is trademarked to Ador but the 'NewJeans' was not?

[flint stone]

Looks like it

[runic knoll]

i can sense MHJ and the girls will trademarked the "NewJeans" one

[short laurel]

Newjeans are newjeans, they are not new jeans. Minji said it. Glad ador made a mistake. But i hope ador doesn't try to trademark newjeans

[steel depot]

gatekeep this info lol 😂 i hope mhj have this planned out already

[cosmic belfry]

I doubt a space is enough but at least the fandom name can stay if they choose to

[flint stone]

Mhj megamind era?

[steel depot]

she saw the future

[runic knoll]

i hope HYBE lose their salary for messing with the wrong people

[short laurel]

https://x.com/pannchoa/status/1859133045787226549?t=VVEUGpVy9FPqPjy6kWzfWA&s=19

pannchoa (@pannchoa) on X

Ex-Big Hit team lead sentenced to prison after scamming at total of 3.5M USD from a BTS fan
https://t.co/RY9etpWZ4z

Twitter · Nov 20, 2024, 7:13 AM

[scenic crest]

Rize up bunnies a new beginner is happening soon

[short laurel]

Bang's Scapegoat 100%

[tiny peak]

best shaman in the world

[steel depot]

omg...

[cosmic belfry]

from a fan? one fan?

[flint stone]

With hybe it's not really hard to do

[runic knoll]

"A BTS Fan"

most likely one fan

[short laurel]

N pannchao link broken lol

[flint stone]

One?! For 3.5M usd? No way

[steel depot]

i wanna see ratmys reactions

[cosmic belfry]

This is the link as the Twitter link is broken: https://www.pannchoa.com/2024/11/theqoo-5-billion-fraud-over-bts-merch.html

[steel depot]

poor fan...

bruh...

[cosmic belfry]

sounds more like it was an investment under the guise they were producing bts merch.

[hoary frost]

lol hybe stans are funny af from the ministry news to mhj resigning their responses are getting more outrageous

[steel depot]

they can't believe an innocent person is getting their freedom

[runic knoll]

Hanni: "Want her girls, MHJ and other artists to be free from Hybe"
Bunnies: "Aw she want her friends, her boss and fellow artists to be free"
ARMY: "said something negative to Hanni about her action"
also ARMY: "why did HYBE scam their own Boyband's fan"

[scenic crest]

im going say they like little pink brainwash
The five stages – denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance

[hoary frost]

like im pretty sure they know how dumb they look like tweeting those things or how insanly bad it looks for them to type those things like they digging their own graves

[scenic crest]

na the the first stage it call Denial

once they get enough heat on them the five stages happen then they become twitter protected

[hoary frost]

and its from accnts that have 10k+ followers so u know they not trolling

[scenic crest]

the 5 cycle of life

[short laurel]

They are jumping between denial n anger

[red thorn]

On November 20, Adore stated, "We would like to convey Adore's position on Director Min Hee-jin's resignation." "Adore feels sorry about Director Min Hee-jin's unilateral notice of resignation. Our company will do our best to support Newgenes so that it can grow and develop further."
https://m.entertain.naver.com/now/article/609/0000923148

[steel depot]

ratmys rn

[flint stone]

Mhhh,of course we believe it (no)

[rain spade]

Feels sorry... okay dud

[hoary frost]

lol unilateral notice like they aint suing her ahh to the ends of the earth like what do they expect?

[runic knoll]

did they investigate their Chairman about his scandal?

[hoary frost]

Pause do ppl trade mark fandom named?

[runic knoll]

nah.

[scenic crest]

unless they very salty

[runic knoll]

never saw people did that before

[hoary frost]

hybe usually do thats why they got these crazy fandom names like clits and fearnuts but they cant trademark an actual animal like bunnies

Who was person who has kids and hav been into kpop since 2000 pls confirm 🙏 i trust ur experience. Forgot who on this server

[upbeat stream]

Yeah it's too generic to be trademarked

[hoary frost]

I see ok

[neon igloo]

Even if NewJeans don’t remain popular in Korea as a K-pop group, they will always be able to create content on social media and YouTube, as well as go on tours, as long as we continue to support them. For me personally, I’ll stay with NewJeans even if only 100,000 people around the world listen to them. I love this group for their music and the personal qualities of the members, not because they’re popular or ambassadors for some brand. In just two years since their debut, the girls have experienced all the highlights of being idols: brand deals, award wins, and performing at Lollapalooza. Even if they can’t reach that peak of popularity in Korea again, they will remain popular worldwide

[steel depot]

28, no kids, been in kpop since 2009 you don't trust me? lol jk

[hoary frost]

Ok bet gang tell me the tea

[upbeat stream]

I feel like the possibility of them being far more popular in Korea and Japan compared to the rest of the world is much higher than the opposite

They are so strong in East Asia and they won't lose that so easily

[steel depot]

I don't think so I've never heard it before... I've heard they trade mark idols screen/stage name but not fandom names

[hoary frost]

tbh for me its the other way around im pretty sure their name in SK is set in history but global fans are more fickle so much things going on ppl will lose interest fast

[steel depot]

yknow what I'll research some old fandoms later if they have trademarks when i get home

[flint stone]

What when they use their real name?

[hoary frost]

They cant do that to newjeans since thats thier own name yea?

like govt name**

[cosmic belfry]

I believe there is precedent and they own their stage names by default.

[steel depot]

it's unnecessary to trademark real names... just screen names... and there's a possibility citizens of sk to have the same names obviously anywhere in the world

[sweet pebble]

scammer gets scammed buddy

[neon igloo]

I think that hybe has no right to forbid them from using their real names, it's not a stage nickname

[hoary frost]

Do people think NJ are definitely ending their contracts now that MHJ stepped down, like this is a first step to that?

[steel depot]

yes

mhj must have seen this coming too

[cosmic belfry]

🤷I don't think it's definitive but we'll see.

[steel depot]

let's not over think it

[flint stone]

https://x.com/juantokki/status/1859154320434098267?t=SqDFOxEvv_N5cIoAF369xg&s=19

1tokki (@juantokki) on X

(The dumbasses at Fraudor don't even realize that they won't have an artist to manage if they do not address NewJeans demands. These HYBE cronies are hopeless. 🤡)

ADOR Responds to Min Hee-jin’s Resignation Announcement: “Regretful About Her Unilateral Notice; Will Fully Support

Twitter · Nov 20, 2024, 8:38 AM

[hoary frost]

Hi lawyers can court just rule out that the demands were impossible to meet cuz MHJ fucked it up and quit the job if yes njs are cooked

[steel depot]

okay i looked up something... offtopic but to answer the questions above... this is Infinite's fandom trademarked... They debuted 2010 but the fandom name Inspirit was recently trademarked 2020/2021 under Woolim Ent

there are trademarks that got rejected 'Bunnies' and nothing under Ador/Hybe

maybe because it's a common name/word

so we're gonna be bunnies forever

[runic knoll]

What about the BTS's Fandom one? since "Army" is the common word as well

[sweet pebble]

i think they still cant use "newjeans" because it is phonetically similar with "new jeans"

[hearty stone]

what about tokkiz

[mild mist]

Legal question -
Does min heejin's resignation affect her claim last week for stonks buyback or whatever the legal term is?

I don't understand rich people money

[steel depot]

#kpop-chat

[jolly junco]

me, why?

[jolly junco]

the legal notices that NJ submit to ADOR didnt state MHJ must back as CEO, they only said that on their emergency youtube live

so legally, HYBE cant use this at court

they must be planned this behind the scene together, so either way HYBE has no way to refutes their demand was impossible to meet

@hoary frost this is the demand that NJ submit with the legal notice on 13th November

[hoary frost]

Ok will take ur words for it thank you . You are the trusted lawyer

W credentials w facts and wtv else nice

[steel depot]

tokki, tokkis, tokkiz none

[hoary frost]

Oh and thanks for taking ur time @jolly junco

[neon igloo]

Guys,no confirmation has been made anywhere that MHJ signed a contract as an internal director, right? I mean untill today departure

[runic knoll]

i think MHJ was appointed as ADOR internal Director back in september this year

[steel depot]

None

[runic knoll]

i had a question. would the ANTENNA agency be perfect choice for MHJ and the girls if they decided to moved to better agency?

[jolly junco]

"HYBE, even recently, continued their hypocritical and contradictory behavior—using its subsidiary labels to file baseless lawsuits and unfairly manipulate the media to bury me,** while simultaneously presenting a producer delegation contract filled with toxic clauses as if they were doing me a great favor**."

MHJ

[neon igloo]

But not a word about its signing, good

[cerulean lake]

wait is this actually real

they’re still saying this?! it’s lowkey making me laugh

[mild mist]

All labels are bad, but only one label is as bad as TS

[hearty stone]

i mean if mhj makes her own company and label and bring the newjeans girls with her then its GG

[runic knoll]

I mean it's Hybe. They always came up with BS and lies

[copper jetty]

Honestly after the 27th... are we ready to not stream newjeans anymore??

[warm hedge]

Why would we stop streaming?

[hearty stone]

https://tenor.com/view/danielle-danielle-newjeans-hanni-hanni-pham-pham-hanni-gif-18248102951789606645

[copper jetty]

I don't wanna give hybe money after the 27th really.

[heady gate]

7 more days

[warm hedge]

Does all the money goto HYBE? I thought some might go to the songwriters, etc

[copper jetty]

Yeah. They are but honestly I don't really care about them. But I do understand hybe will go up again

[cosmic belfry]

BTS comeback to pay MHJ damages

[copper jetty]

Yeah that's why I said i understood. I mean 40-60 % of hybe Financials come from them

They only renewed until 2025 i think.

[cosmic bison]

Ot5 forever guys

[rain spade]

all the lawsuit mhj gonna file against them

[modern fog]

oh after

nevermind

[vapid bronze]

Someone make a tldr for me for anything recent, thanks.

[short laurel]

tldr: MHJ resigned from ador. Ministry of labor said since hanni is contracted and not salaried, she doesn't get workplace bully protection by law.

worse part. it affects every idols but kpopies doesn't c it.

[brazen ice]

how easy and effective would it be if all idols just go on strike lmao

[short laurel]

also incase anyone get misinformed by twt again i'll post this again. ministry of labor didn't deny that bullying happened.

[heady gate]

If their label agencies allow it

[brazen ice]

they prob wouldnt, but whos asking lmao

[jolly junco]

kpopies: "we cheered "

sigh

[heady gate]

Ironically, K-pop industry makes money, but they are not considered as worker, due to their contracts.

[jolly junco]

kpopies be like trending hashtag left and right #PROTECTBLABLABLA

but when it came down to this, they suddenly turn around and pretend to be blind

[short laurel]

SLAPP petition bare;y getting signs.

[heady gate]

SLAPP petition is needed

It is affecting so many Korean

[short laurel]

country is dystopia afterall

[mild spade]

sometimes i feel corporations are always out to mess with employees.
not once have i see a contrat that favours the employee and govt laws that favour the employees.

bascially in this case the govt law says, Hanni, you are on your own here.

[vapid bronze]

[mild spade]

hybe got a get out of jail free card on this one using the law on their side.
even if proven beyond resonable doubt that the incident took place, nothing will change.
but this can be a turning point where future idols will be mindful about.

at the moment, let's not be too hasty to say mhj has abandon NewJeans.
she will do something in the back and i believe OT5 has confidence. we just need to be patient.

[split bramble]

even if the girls are 10% as popular after leaving hybe they'll still earn more than they currently do, because of how much money hybe embezzles out of ador

[jolly junco]

Now i understand why idols werent treated like a human being, turns out they are not protected by the law

[steel depot]

because they're contractual

[short laurel]

slave contract

[steel depot]

I was betting on NWJNS but they also trademarked it

[waxen panther]

guys how many days until they will do the contract termination thing?

[steel depot]

it's on the 27th so it's 7days left

[cerulean lake]

what did they not trademark

[steel depot]

our fandom name wasn't

[cerulean lake]

i’m actually curious do they not think the girls will terminate or smth

this statement just makes them seem like they’re mocking mhj leaving

[runic knoll]

even if HYBE knew the girls gonna terminated their contract, HYBE possibly doesn't care

i think i saw someone mentioned somewhere on twitter that the higher up or someone at HYBE doesn't see the potential at NewJeans when the girls debut.

can someone find the info about this

[jolly junco]

it was BSH

[runic knoll]

Yeah not surprised at all

[short laurel]

they didn't c potenial in them when MHJ was launching them. they end up being hit. that's when Hybe start attacking them. all the leaks so far confirmed this much already.

[cold prism]

Guys so now are our girls more likely to go to another company?

[normal marlin]

yall newjeans won't have to pay the 200mil fee right ? for contract termination?

[pine olive]

Will they be able to terminate the contract successfully? Hybe may use their money to prevent NewJeans from terminating the contract.

[steel depot]

the answers are on the 27th day of November

[jolly junco]

😭

[lyric geyser]

If MHJ left that means they’re pretty confident

[sleek crest]

freedom and liberation

[pine olive]

Okay, I believe them.

[steel depot]

hopefully, that's the result they will get since hybe won't meet their demands and mhj left already

[lyric geyser]

She’s probably preparing for the rebrand

[zinc geyser]

Can someone tell me why Hanni is not a worker?

[cosmic bison]

[steel depot]

she's contractual - all the kpop artist are

[zinc geyser]

oh

[jolly junco]

the drawing is so heartbreaking 😭

[cosmic bison]

~ig
https://www.instagram.com/p/C9NR-WYS-xA/?img_index=1&igsh=bzkyNzkxdGNzN3dr

[narrow seal]

240709 newjeans_zzang Instagram Update
https://www.instagram.com/p/C9NR-WYS-xA
고생하셨습니다 😮‍💨

[runic knoll]

Man, glad to see MHJ is happy when she exit the police station

[steel depot]

oh i love her smile

[cosmic bison]

[oblique quarry]

I dont follow the feud anymore but is 1. MHJ leaving Ador a good thing or a bad thing for NJ and 2. Who is taking over?

[lyric geyser]

1. Good thing 2. She wasn’t CEO

They demoted her to the board of directors some time back

[jolly junco]

everything is good as long as they can leave that company

[sage pilot]

~t https://x.com/njbubblegum/status/1859201375886037067?s=46

[narrow seal]

241120 NJBUBBLEGUM Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/NJBUBBLEGUM/status/1859201375886037067
HYBE/FRAUDOR offered Min Hee-jin a producer position but demanded she sign a non-disclosure agreement and a forensic consent form first, without informing her of what duties or authorities would be given.

[light hornet]

AYO! wtf is this??

https://www.allkpop.com/article/2024/11/ministry-of-labor-rules-newjeans-hannis-bullying-allegations-do-not-qualify-as-workplace-harassment

[runic knoll]

they never been on her position obviously

[steel depot]

hanni and also all kpop artists are contractual... they are not qualified under labor standards act of korea, which prohibits workplace bullying...

[light hornet]

so the hearing was all non-sense?

[runic knoll]

it was all BS for ministry

[light hornet]

smh

[steel depot]

it's not non-sense... she opened a topic/law that needs to be re-examined...

[steep torrent]

*x -c https://x.com/cato_o_o/status/1859216003319648720?s=46q

[harsh dove]

@cato_o_o <t:1732106612:d>

Article

November 20 2024

“NewJeans Hanni Case: A Crucial Issue in Celebrity Labor Law,” Woo Jae-joon Announces Legislative Proposal

“…Woo stated, “I will strive to address the shortcomings revealed by this case and prepare legislation...”

Lee Sun Myung reporter

Link👇

[steep torrent]

[zinc geyser]

Btw when Hanni was being testified in court why doesn't have translator if she's hard to understand advance korean?

[light hornet]

[cinder verge]

can someone give me a rundown on everything that happened in the past 24 hrs

[sweet pebble]

she can understand it now

[short laurel]

it wasn't court but national assembly. the result of case that came out today was filed by fandom be4 national assembly and was pretty much expected result. it's not important case.

[steel depot]

she can understand and it went well in NA soo...

[hoary frost]

she's looking like a kid 😭

[steel depot]

she's glowing

[zinc geyser]

This is a new information for me

[short laurel]

it's old news now. 🤷‍♂️

[steep torrent]

haerin hanging out with a girl who was on illits moodboard 😭

[cosmic bison]

Who

[steel depot]

#newjeans-chat yes

[steep torrent]

*x https://x.com/nwjns1st/status/1858961891051131270?s=46

[harsh dove]

@nwjns1st <t:1732046027:d>

[steep torrent]

shes one the second pic

[cosmic bison]

Noooo

[steep torrent]

so funny man

[cinder verge]

can someone give me a rundown on big stuff that happened today

[cosmic bison]

Please stick ot5

[steel depot]

this is #kpop-chat related

[steep torrent]

#1231839760759263232 message

[narrow seal]

Message linked

message posted on <t:1732099215:f>

from namnyann

tldr: MHJ resigned from ador. Ministry of labor said since hanni is contracted and not salaried, she doesn't get workplace bully protection by law.
[Jump to message](#1231839760759263232 message)

[cinder verge]

mhj resigning was expected no?

[wind monolith]

ya it was

[cinder verge]

and does the national assembly or any higher authority have any say on the workplace bullying verdict because it seemed like they were siding with hanni (i might be butchering this completely idk how sk judicial system works)

[short laurel]

that is ongoing, hanni case was just small part of it, they are discussing on making laws for protecting all contractual workers for months. ministry of labor might go under audit cuz they've been very sus about hybe.

remember that national assembly is where politicians makes laws. so these can go on for years...

[hearty stone]

but the fact that this topic about idols and workplace gets sparked again with hanni is a good thing

[short laurel]

them inviting hanni to NA was for spreading the word. it was PR by NA lol

[hearty stone]

whats PR and whats NA im new sry

national assembly

[steel depot]

public relations, national assembly

[hearty stone]

ah yes