NJZ Updates and Discussion

[wise wagon]

its true that mhj got newjeans to the top in the most authentic way, theyre one of the most organic hybe groups

[hoary frost]

Whatever media says no one can deny Mhj contributed to the growth of the Kpop industry and to Newjeans

[short laurel]

idk much about other hybe groups but considering svt and fromis were not hybe when they debut and relatively poor company.they should also come under organic. especially svt who were growing big even be4 hybe buying out the company.

[short laurel]

MHJ had been part of kpop for longer than many stans were even born. and contributed to creation of alot of trends, she was literally one of the many pillars who paved the way for growth of kpop in past 20 years. so ofc she'll have a big fan following.
the very reason she's in hybe was bcuz hybe wanted to ride on her fame for their 1st gg. hybe even said this in media.

[mild spade]

nothing wrong with hybe wanting her on staff, cos they paid her to do what she supposed to do.

when a company needs a skill they don't have, they pay someone to do it. it's work.

[short laurel]

but the very same company discrediting her work.

[mild spade]

yes, that's true cos the moment she challenged the management then this happens.
it's the same everywhere

[wheat raft]

I saw someone said this months ago, cant recall. but thats so insulting its literally implying the girls, who are actual idols being in the hybe building, can't think for themselves and don't know any better

[mild spade]

companies will roll out the red carpet when they need you and just show you the door when they don't like your way of doing things.

[wheat raft]

[short laurel]

this mentality comes from fandom seeing majority of aritsts never speaking up and suffering in silence only for few of them to speak years after retiring but those are mostly covered up. fandom is not used to artists speaking up so openly.

[mild spade]

the contracts of kpop are very binding to restrict, especially the first 7 years.

[bronze jetty]

but they can still face consequences. like ideally i would want other idols in hybe to speak up in support of newjeans but i can’t blame them because they might be scared to

[vague shore]

No, it's not that simple. Hybe used MHJ's name to recruit trainees, and then forced her to debut other members.

[short laurel]

something elon needs to learn.

[sonic meadow]

Okay I laughed at this HELP

[mild spade]

must think of it from a commercial point of view.
the trainees are the future of the company's revenue. if no new artist then there's no new "product" to sell

[wheat raft]

sadge

[mild spade]

he has immunity now with trump

[short laurel]

do u think trump won't throw him away when his usefulness is over?

[steel depot]

https://tenor.com/view/newjeans-hyein-newjeans-hyein-new-jeans-new-jeans-hyein-gif-11182165365747569433

[short laurel]

hybe action past few months has been anything but that.

[mild spade]

hybe's long term goal was to get rid of NJ.
cos right now they are getting exposed left right and center.

[sonic meadow]

Fr and their plan was to put them in the dungeon until their contract expires

[bronze jetty]

yes, i agree but hypothetically, if i were to publicly speak up in support on my seniors, i would also be afraid of getting fired

[modern fog]

no politics

[short laurel]

sorry

[cosmic bison]

Hahaha

[mild spade]

believe they weight out the cost commercially to put them away for their remainder time, but still do a little where hybe aint losing money keeping NJ on the payroll. if they decided to get rid of NJ immediately it's on hybe to pay the contact remainder to NJ

[short laurel]

putting away their 3rd highest revenue source ?

[mild spade]

world of kpop is cruel, if the artist doesn't get enough promo or drop new songs, then slowly they will be forgetten

[vague shore]

I don't think there's any plan that was prepared with a future in mind. They just wanted get rid of MHJ fast but failed.

[mild spade]

MHJ challenged the management, so she said no sir no sir, nothing in the bag for you. that's not what they wanted to hear.

[wise wagon]

thats next level greed from hybe

[vague shore]

That company is now full of people who are just trying to suck up to Bang

[mild spade]

hybe did get their fame get to them thinking no one was going to challenge them and no one can touch them.
so when MHJ said no, this is not how it works, hybe said we need to smear MHJ cos we have all the money in the world.

[short laurel]

that's realy not very like company who is looking for profit. nj are their 3rd highest revenue source. they wouldn't slowly make them forget if it's about money. that's why everyone assuming it was BSH ego problem.

[jolly junco]

The person in question are still enjoying life in LA

[mild spade]

to teach her a lesson and also kill off NJ which is a successful 'product' of hers

[wise wagon]

but thats ridiculous because havent they been planning to throw out newjeans days before debut too? its insane how mhj has been fighting for her stance for 2 years now

[short laurel]

to damage their revenue source for just this.

[mild spade]

so they might lose money in the near future, but what hybe wanted to do is not to have anything like this happen again

[steel depot]

the one needs lesson is bsh

[mild spade]

so if this never happens again, they won't lose anymore money in future

[jolly junco]

I find it absurd that a chairman of a company not going back to the country when his company are in very serious problem but instead chose to stay in other country sipping Juices and eating Hamburger

[vague shore]

Who knows. Hybe acted arrogantly at the National Assembly. Even the CEO of Samsung wouldn't do that, so I guess they’ve got a target on their back now

[wise wagon]

what are the chances of newjeans joining a new company if they leave hybe? isnt there a risk for them to get blacklisted?

[mild spade]

mr chairman only is there because hybe is paying him. he aint going to go down with the ship.

[short laurel]

"sipping juices" 😂

[steel depot]

do we have anything new?

[jolly junco]

You cant compare samsung with HYBE, CEO of samsung wont even have to appear on NA to begin with samsung getting in a problem is the same of south korea dying

South korea = samsung = south korea

[short laurel]

nope. not easy to blacklist with open internet. plenty of places to go to promote. the real issue is the witch hunt hybe gonna do in media.

[mild spade]

right now hybe is just trying to confuse everyone

[short laurel]

he has already been to jail be4 btw. huge scandal in the past. even korea's president was involved.

[wise wagon]

their control over the media is honestly scary

[steel depot]

not new bro

mediaplay and all not new... they just want us to get exhausted and forget it... so they can do it again with other group and it's gonna be a normal thing....

[wise wagon]

its a bit annoying to think that if nj leaves hybe without rights to their music, hybe's future trainees will take over their work and sing their songs as though they were their own

[vague shore]

What I'm saying is, no big Jaebeol in Korea would act arrogantly in front of lawmakers not because they’re less powerful than Hybe, but because it’s just not smart. That kind of behavior is a big no-no in Korea

[mild spade]

not much of a choice cos in all commercial contract, what you create during your time there belongs to the company.

[wise wagon]

it sucks that theres no choice in that, especially knowing the girls have writing credits in almost all songs

[mild spade]

but if you created it, you will know how to create something better.
so think forward, OT5 might have lost some IP, but when they leave they can create better things.

[short laurel]

girls will have rights to song they participated in writing/composing even after they leave hybe.

only 7 songs(pls confirm) NJ members has no credits in.

[mild spade]

it depends on how the contract is written, they might not own the copyright, but they should get revenue sharing.

[short laurel]

they should still be able to sing them whenever they want.

[wise wagon]

i agree 100%

[mild spade]

for newer artist, usually the recording or management company owns the rights.
usually in their following contracts the artist will have the power to say they own the copyright

[lean barn]

Woah.

[wise wagon]

even if they dont get rights to their music at least it means theres room for future fresher music when they break away from hybe

[jolly junco]

Newjeans - Cool With You cover by Minji, Hanni, Danielle, Haerin and Hyein

[short laurel]

and they can always fight for their IP. considering hybe it'self showed that they want to remove NJ.

[mild spade]

at the end of the day, we just need to support OT5 and they will know what to do going forward.
i'm sure MHJ has something up her sleves.

[short laurel]

and fake ador not goign to own copyright for NJ1 😄

[wise wagon]

maybee, and with all the evidence there is now of hybe's wrongdoings maybe nj has a higher chance of winning their ip over

[wise wagon]

you're right, shes too intelligent to not have a plan in mind

[mild spade]

people in management often fear the smart ones
when they can't control them any longer, it's time to get rid of those smart ones.

[jolly junco]

I’m afraid they already registered copyright for NJ1, i saw a few months ago about this so NJ1 has already registered under ADOR

[short laurel]

hey we don't know that. stop saying it.
(if their future artists release has BANA in credits, we'll know whose song it was)

[jolly junco]

Atp MHJ might have to scrap everything and start over from 0 for a new 7 year blueprint

[rain spade]

Darling and butterflies is still in the safe box

[jolly junco]

But i remember i saw a leaked documents about a few songs already registered under ADOR, and people were saying it was for NJ1

[mild spade]

the roadmap or blueprint is a guide to explain the vision, it will change and evolve as the group grows and/or market demands.
it's not MHJ's first time so she will still have lotsa plans that will allow her to pull hats out of rabbits.

[short laurel]

pepople were saying. not Ador itself. so still rumor. think positive. T_T

we will be called rabbits in their redebut.

[vague shore]

I just think there's a reason why things are moving so fast, even with MHJ exercising her option now.

[jolly junco]

This is fast? 😭 we have a very different understanding of the word fast

[mild spade]

yup, so i'm looking forward to see what OT5 will do, so keep our heads up; it's not doom and gloom even in this situation

[vague shore]

well everyone thought MHJ would exercise her option next year to maximize her profit then NJ will file for termination. But it seems like we could get the result of the NJ's injunction as early as next January.

[scenic crest]

ah

[jolly junco]

welcome to the dark side of the server, you cant talk about the negativity of newjeans vs hybe on #newjeans-chat

but you can discuss it in here

check pinned for more updated news

[scenic crest]

gaw dam i am watching now

[jolly junco]

but the same server rules still apply in this thread

[scenic crest]

also soyeon crying? idol they must feel sad for them cause it rough and they young vs seniors experience

[jolly junco]

they know how harsh this industry works, especially behind the door

[sage pilot]

Ok sorry for bringing up an old theme or whatever but I just woke up and backread the whole thing. Why does one of our mods sound like a Reddit escapee? We lost the plot

[analog depot]

Is newjeans going to disband??

[distant gulch]

No. If I had to say right now, they will redebut with a new name and content, but there's still a lot we don't know and have to wait to find out

[scenic crest]

dowe know what company will they take and will MHJ look after them?

[mild spade]

in theory, if they terminate their contract, yes.

[scenic crest]

or just a startup new company?

[mild spade]

MHJ entertainment

[scenic crest]

na

Bunnies Alliances Entertainment

BAE 😉

[analog depot]

If they terminate their contract, will they have to create a new brand name, group etc that like isn’t called newjeans? If you get what I mean

[distant gulch]

My hope would be Hybe ordered to pay huge damages and MHJ starts an agency and members get an ownership stake

And buy their ip

[scenic crest]

Hybe = Money hungry ~~cow ~~Devil

[mild spade]

MHJ starts a company call Adore and tokkis become rabbits and OT5 become new genes

[distant gulch]

But I don't think that's likely and would take a long time

[scenic crest]

anyway MHJ has support and been in the ent show bus for a while now

[analog depot]

I don’t care what happens as long as we still get newjeans content and music from the girls

[scenic crest]

if we don't if i see Hybe CEO in Australia * **woops my leg you trip ***

should i buy a NJ lightstick just in case they will become rare in Australia

[mild spade]

when in doubt, just buy. ha ha ha.

[split bramble]

I was thinking something

[jolly junco]

we should holding any money for newjeans right now, until we know for sure

better support them when they redebut under new name

[split bramble]

contract termination by proving breach of duty is NJ's play to get out of hybe/ador

but what's MHJ's play? she still has 3 years left and some kind of non compete clause, is her play to leave by saying hybe didnt adhere to shareholder's agreement?

[native turret]

knowing how often kpop merch becomes rare after stuff like this, especially in australia and new zealand that'd be smart yeah

[wise wagon]

is it possible for a manager/creative director to work for different groups despite the company barrier?

[split bramble]

managers switch companies all the time, their penalty for leaving aint high and most are on a rolling contract (renewed annually type)

when the girls leave all their support staff are leaving with them

[wise wagon]

oh thank god then, im guessing mhj wont have an exaggerated amount of trouble leaving hybe/ador then?

shes already facing so many lawsuits though this might be the complication

[split bramble]

she for sure does, her only way out is to prove hybe breached major contract agreements, like the shareholder agreement she has with them

[wise wagon]

im mostly really worried about the amount of money nj will need to give for contract termination

maybr this will take a tole on them financially

[mild spade]

agree, i'm sure she knows what she is doing,

[scenic crest]

yea

[split bramble]

nj will give 0

if anything they and the brands that work with them will be collecting heavy penalties from hybe

[wise wagon]

im so proud of the girls >< they've gone through so much and its all hopefully coming to an end soon

this is maybe the climax of this whole feud

in a couple of months yes :')

the idea will be for them to establish a new ent? is there chance they might sign with another company orr...

that would be ideal omg

if they do decide to sign elsewhere i hope its a place like odd atelier, or maybe if soyeon decides to establish her own company

[split bramble]

NJ1 is ready to go, they're only holding it back to make sure hybe dont have rights of it

[sage pilot]

i wonder how many idols would want to sign with MHJ if she were to establish her own label

[young wyvern]

reddit is freaking out because of their speech last night lolol

apparently it's 'disrespectful'

plus i hate how some people are trying to over rationalize other idols supporting newjeans...like why is that so hard to believe

[sweet pebble]

bruh reddit is full of 40 yr old goons

[native turret]

Real everyone was clowning on them for how they handled the min hee Jin drama, but to be completely fair to them, they've been groomed for the better part of a few years. To put it into perspective Hyein was like 13 when nj started (this is before their debut since surely they had to go through training and stuff) and now she's 16. So for a good chunk of their teenage years they basically were sheltered in an industry they were told nothing about so obviously they're going to be unprofessional and act like teenagers because they were never given the opportunity to mentally grow you know? I can't explain it I'm not a psychologist, and who knows I might just be talking out of my ass so whatevs

I could explain this much more thoroughly but I'm not going to explaining things whatsoever especially psychological things so. Like I know what I'm talking about I just don't know how to put it into words

I probably sound like a dumbass just ignore everything I say 🙏

[short laurel]

don't go at that place. they shit tlak everyone but go shh when hybe scandal comes up, even delete whenever hybe scandal thread is posted most of the time. it applies to all kpop related reddit.

[scenic crest]

hybe slave protected Hybe simp

[coarse ferry]

Sort of off topic but at the KGMAs ppl are saying nwjns said “This was NewJeans” instead of “This has been NewJeans” is that true?

[short laurel]

alot of their training was under somu where mhj had limited control even though she was part of planning, it was much later when they moved to ador and probably trained properly further.
and we know girls had to live in infested dorms under somu training with schedule going past 12 night. (girls said this part themselves)

[young wyvern]

"this was newjeans" is what they said

[ionic rain]

guys I know we could build a new brand with the girls if we lost the IP, but one thing that hurts the most is the fact that we're going to lose Bernice for real

[short laurel]

bernice is not trademarked. bunnies and tokkies though 😦

[bronze jetty]

this 'groomed' narrative completely diminishes newjeans' free will, like mhj is the only one who protected them under that company especially since hanni has already said that they've been ostracized and ignored by some hybe employees since debut

[short laurel]

they called girls sheltered and not got to mentally grow. but considering how every other idols act in these situation. NJ are among strongest mentally in this industry. so imo there comment doesn't make sense.

[native turret]

yea sry im dumb

I could've explained that much better I'm sry

[short laurel]

original meaning of this word is not bad but kpop made it bad...

yea. but how to put in sentence MHJ did prepared and trained nj for idol activities.

is 1st one even in official dictionary?

[native turret]

Oh I've seen people use it to just generalize adults abusing their influence on children to manipulate them maliciously

sorry abt that🙏

[short laurel]

people have made it bad but original meaning is JUST the 2nd one evaah mentioned.

[upbeat stream]

No both have been around for a long time

[short laurel]

or it was added to dictionary later. what i have is really old one.

[short laurel]

then tell me how to use it properly for this sentence

[mild mist]

you could use 'nurtured' but that's the same route, but slightly less bad
here, 'trained' and 'prepared' are probably the best

"MHJ made sure that NJ were 100% prepared and trained for idol activities."

[short laurel]

ok

[waxen musk]

This thread not closed yet? (I was scrolling through earlier then realised this is a waste of time and just skipped to the end now so I haven't read the most recent messages but holy shit. Earlier than that was the first and last time I'll be getting involved in that type of thing. I just care about misinfo being spread but feel so useless not having sources on hand and my memory is awful so I'm always a little iffy on if I remember stuff I've seen debunked before or not.)

I really need to learn how to use () properly.

[sage pilot]

nj’s choreographers credited mhj as the producer of KGMA stage. since MHJ does not hold a producer role at HYBE rn, she’s basically working without pay
i wonder where’s all those ppl who call MHJ a bad person/weirdo/more offensive stuff. and who’s labeling her as a greedy person. not so loud now huh

[short laurel]

they are thinking up their narrative. u'll c them on twitter soon. be mentally prepared for more bs they are going to throw.

[waxen musk]

I do wonder what's going to change their minds. I feel like even hard proof through the courts isn't going to do anything for them. We need to stop caring.

[bright goblet]

Exactly, it's really not worth debunking their claims nor wasting time trying to change their minds. Save your energy in trying to support those who actually spread support and the truth. Don't stress yourself guys

[waxen musk]

Like I said I done it for the first time earlier. I can't believe Twitter Tokkis do this daily.

I think NewJeans will be fine when they redebut, basically 99% of existing Tokkis will be there for them. It's just the general public that is harder to just "convert over" but that will come just like it did before: with good music.

I don't see all these anitis really doing anything to prevent their future success. It really is a waste of time.

The people not supporting them now aren't preventing them from having a really successful year this year despite everything happening. That's really the case.

[sage pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/stan-twitter-mariah-carey-war-ad-gif-12113762418101118943

[young wyvern]

at the end of the day idk why hybe would throw away a group thats made them millions and could have easily been the next blackpink

their loss fr

[waxen musk]

I think we all know it’s because BSH never had credit for their success and wanted to replace them with a similar group with his credit. But what I don’t understand is how the hell that whole company managed to get on BSH’s side.

[bronze jetty]

yes, the fandom will follow and perhaps some of the gp will follow as well or 'rediscover' them

[copper jetty]

Also i think the surprise debut would be like a standard for them. They were unknown then... people just discovered them either through their music or their mvs. I think it'll go the same route or if not, I know MHJ would have a plan

Also I don't know much but fandom wise, I think we're bigger than what we think. remember newjeans are million sellers. Both of their albums sold 1M even though those albums were released a month apart. Plus the tokyo dome fanmeet, not all tokkis got tickets to that.

[young wyvern]

hype internally sounds like a mess

[short laurel]

he and his brother's gaming company has highest shares of hybe so it's in their control. what i don't get is other shareholders.

[young wyvern]

imagine your pension being beholden to hybe stocks 😭😭😭

[wind monolith]

Im awake anything new

[sonic meadow]

😭💀

[split bramble]

simple, its his company

[jade jolt]

Does anybody know when should be D day that Nj will announce if they leave the company or not ?

[heady gate]

Hybe would not let them go freely. Is it going to be count decision?

[waxen musk]

27th is when they will begin the process if (when) Ador doesn’t give in to their demands.

But after that date it will take months for the court to decide on if they can leave at all and also if they can leave without penalty.

I don’t think we have to worry about that though with the evidence we already know about and we don’t know everything.

Reply to @jade jolt

[jade jolt]

Thanks

[stone grotto]

yeah i'm sure they didn't approach this without a plan

[coarse ferry]

But it sounded the same as usual?

[copper jetty]

I guess it just got highlighted because of their speech

[analog hill]

Hi I’m new here I just wanted to say can we as bunnies stay organized and move as one team got NJs there is many bunnies on different platforms it would be cool to come together and really make a movement for NJs 🥹❤️

[wind monolith]

they rlly gotta hurry up with the investigation

[heady gate]

*x -c https://x.com/cato_o_o/status/1858283578053865694

[harsh dove]

@cato_o_o <t:1731884304:d>

This reeks of corporate influence and corruption in the Korean government.

Where is that audit investigation?

[heady gate]

The designation as an "Outstanding Company" exemptions for tax audits and regular labor inspections.

Now, I understand why BSH is in the US.

[cosmic bison]

Ot5 forever no one separate

🤞

[knotty valve]

The biggest dumbasses of a company, like who in their corporate ass mind would just turn down more money?? Lmao

[jolly junco]

We do? The police have result now?

[wind monolith]

just rumours that it will be out soon

[wind monolith]

but if rumours r around it has to be close

[hoary frost]

is this guy a bot?

[frosty echo]

probably BSH bot

[wind monolith]

no offence but when the first time u said count decision i had to go search up wtf was count and later it him me that it was "court"

[sage pilot]

~t https://x.com/emptydaniiii/status/1858307442586911051?s=46

[narrow seal]

241118 emptydaniiii Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/emptydaniiii/status/1858307442586911051
i1lit plagiarism lawsuit trial set for jan next year… damages are 2 billion krw(= about 143 million dollars)

[sage pilot]

*2B won = $1.43M

[wind monolith]

the amount of proof against them and they still wanna sue mhj

[hoary frost]

ngl if hybe wins its rigged

[sage pilot]

well at least we will get that $1M 😁

[wind monolith]

def cuz we already know some police investigator was fired for getting bribed or something i rlly dont rmbr the context

[sage pilot]

all of the money that illit will earn with their upcoming concert will go to paying damages

[wind monolith]

[red thorn]

It won't be easy, plagiarism case never easy

[rain spade]

How long is this gonna lasttt..

[sage pilot]

Not anytime soon. We have injunction hearing in 2 weeks about terminating contracts that will take about 2 months (most likely, judging from previous cases)

[frosty echo]

but GLLITs will always have their back (myself included)

[hoary frost]

I js realized during the KGMA dance practice u can see their suitcases or smth
These divas 😎😎😎leave as they should
Too gd for this company

[heady gate]

yes I am

[jolly junco]

huh? they already gonna have a concert? that soon??

[frosty echo]

seuni said concert soon

[sage pilot]

Yeah, they do need the money, don’t they? Enhypen 2.0

[copper jetty]

I don't know about the police investigation tho. I remember a month ago they were also saying it's gonna come out (it hasn't). Like it's been months.

[heady gate]

time will tell. We can sit back and wait

[bronze jetty]

what is the lawsuit even about?

[copper jetty]

I'm more interested in this tho. Like, i feel this would be an enormous issue in Korea. Imagine hybe doing this just for that tax exemption?

Also the guy who gave this to them would definitely face the court. And if i know politicians they don't go down alone. They'll bring everyone with them. RIP hybe.

[heady gate]

*x -c https://x.com/kchartsmaster/status/1858304972087029811

[harsh dove]

@kchartsmaster <t:1731889405:d>

The trial of BELIFT LAB lawsuit against Min Heejin will begin in January 2025.

BELIFT LAB has reportedly asked 2 billion won in compensation.

https://m.entertain.naver.com/now/article/108/0003283229

[hoary frost]

LOL

[copper jetty]

Wait I'm confused, is this a plagiarism suit or a defamation suit?

[frosty echo]

probably the latter

[heady gate]

MHJ has too many lawsuits.

[sage pilot]

Plagiarism. The defamation suit is already ongoing afaik

[heady gate]

2 billion won = 1.4 millon USD

[copper jetty]

This being in the first paragraph of that article. I'm dying 💀

I forgot but didn't their recent statements now refute the timeline- July 21??

With the things that they've contradicted I'm already confused on what is what.

[red thorn]

Smokescreen lol

[jolly junco]

if what they said are the truth then the survival show itself was rigged and they can face jail time according to korean law

if its not the truth then they will still face jail time for plagiarism lawsuit

whichever way they chose, jail time is a fix result for them

[heady gate]

jail time for plagiarism in South Korea? ouch

[wind monolith]

*x -c https://twitter.com/PoppyKPoppie/status/1858318840532484222

PoppyKPoppie (@PoppyKPoppie) on X

attorney song pointed out 2 important things:

1. newjeans followed the correct process in asking their label, ADOR, to address their concerns and provide solutions.
2. giving ADOR 2 attempts w/ correction periods, njs has a greater chance to have their injunction(s) approved.

Twitter · Nov 18, 2024, 1:18 AM

[harsh dove]

:warning: Tweet with id 1858318840532484222 does not contain any media!

[sage pilot]

sadly no jail time bc they didn’t take fans’ money like mnet😞

[cosmic bison]

🤞

[jolly junco]

they didnt? then how was the voting process? i didnt watch the show

[sage pilot]

i didn’t watch it either 😁 just fan votes like MAMA on weverse app or whatever it seems

[copper jetty]

I didn't watch it either so I don't know how the voting goes but just in case there was payment then it would totally be a different case right???

[copper jetty]

Also he denied rigging that show. https://www.koreaboo.com/news/belift-lab-denies-rigging-r-u-next/

[jolly junco]

crazy how everything they said doesnt match 💀

[sage pilot]

yes, in mnet’s case it was a financial fraud, bc they basically took paid votes and still rigged everything

[hoary frost]

wonder how their creative director and belift could sue mhj for the same thing if belift lose the case then she lose the case too thats kinda dumb but kinda sus too

[copper jetty]

Also illit plagiarism claim, i don't think it's a plagiarism suit though. It's a defamation suit against mhj about her claiming that belift plagiarized Ador.

[hoary frost]

apparently this a shade for clearing the 16th floor too

[copper jetty]

They are so unserious and i love it.

[cosmic bison]

I love Ot5

[sage pilot]

~t https://x.com/poppykpoppie/status/1858317150089601195?s=46

[narrow seal]

241118 PoppyKPoppie Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/PoppyKPoppie/status/1858317150089601195
http://x.com/i/article/1858314969521213440

[sage pilot]

Everyone should read this. We should pin this, honestly

The main stuff:

Last year, in the second half of the year, FIFTY FIFTY filed for a provisional injunction to suspend the validity of their exclusive contract with their agency, Attract, but it was rejected. One of the key reasons the court did not accept FIFTY FIFTY’s claim was that they failed to provide a 14-day correction period to their agency (i.e., the management company) before suddenly notifying them of their intent to terminate the contract.
An industry insider commented, "When requesting contract termination, it is required by the contract to provide the other party, particularly the one at fault, with a correction period to address the violations. Overlooking this step can put you at a legal disadvantage.

Attorney Song Hye-mi from OPES law firm stated, "Contracts are much stronger than the industry generally perceives," adding, "The more important issue is not how much penalty one party pays, but whether the contract can actually be terminated in the first place."

Attorney Song also predicted that if the case proceeds to confirm the termination of the exclusive contract, it would be a full-scale lawsuit (main lawsuit), meaning that no matter how actively both sides engage, it would likely take at least 1-2 years to reach a conclusion. For this reason, she suggested that NewJeans' next steps will likely involve filing for both a provisional injunction to suspend the exclusive contract and the main lawsuit at the same time.
Attorney Song explained, "If NewJeans only files for confirmation of the termination of the exclusive contract, they will remain bound to ADOR (HYBE's subsidiary) as artists throughout the entire litigation process, making it difficult for them to properly engage in activities." She anticipates that NewJeans will take the strategic approach of pursuing both the injunction and the main lawsuit simultaneously, in order to continue their careers as artists while the legal matters unfold.

If the main lawsuit drags on, the results of investigations by authorities such as the police may impact the final decision

~t https://x.com/cato_o_o/status/1858324788973821956?s=46

[narrow seal]

241118 cato_o_o Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/cato_o_o/status/1858324788973821956
as artists while the termination lawsuit takes its course.

Imo, timeline would be

Nov 13 - members send notice
Nov 28 - Termination/injunction suit filed

February/March injunction result

If Members wins - start activities as “New Artist”

Termination suit result by mid 2026

[sage pilot]

see y’all mid 2026 👋 newjeans re-debut on july 22 2026 😁

[wind monolith]

but debut of newqueens on march

[hoary frost]

Baemon alr got their world tour 😭 wheres ours

[wind monolith]

2062

[hoary frost]

https://tenor.com/view/floreyonce-nicki-minaj-eye-roll-gif-12570302602972539524

[copper jetty]

2026?? that's 2 years from now. Don't know if I'll be alive still but I guess see you guys then.

[sage pilot]

~t https://x.com/cato_o_o/status/1858330071758438633?s=46

[narrow seal]

241118 cato_o_o Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/cato_o_o/status/1858330071758438633
Imo I think NewJeans member will create a Youtube channel as well as in other platforms to continue to connect with Tokkis during the lawsuit.

Once they win the injunction early next year, they will be able to start releasing music, promote, endorse etc as they see fit.

[waxen musk]

I wish I understood better even after reading all of that. I don't really know what a main lawsuit is for if an injunction lets them redebut relatively soon. I wish it went into some detail as to what a main lawsuit entails, I'm left assuming and guessing what it means.

[wind monolith]

injunction will let them redubt as a new artist

basically i think injunction suspends the contract so they can go and create new music while the main lawsuit happens to see who breached the contract

[hoary frost]

injunctions are to speed up the process i think the main suit would just let us know if they need to pay for penalties

[hoary frost]

isnt MHJ breach of trust lawsuit separated from the their contract termination ?

[wind monolith]

no im talking about if hybe breached the artist contract

should have worded it better mb

[waxen musk]

I'm surprised that if NewJeans didn't start this stuff on the 13th that we still wounldn't know what's happening with regards to the insane amount of things we're still waiting on results for.

(What's happening with MHJ being the main thing.)

I've seen plenty of people assuming that Belift and Hybe are filing lawsuits against MHJ to drain her of finances and they are likely to lose anyway. That makes some sense. But what doesn't make sense is if that's their only reason and they can't win, won't losing over and over again in the courts make them look bad and have consequences? Even if they'll be fine financially, obviously.

I also see so many Bunnies just so confident in us winning pretty much everything. Are there any people you've seen being a little more cautious and not expecting such unilaterally postiive results for us? If no, that's great, but I just want to be realistic. Either way as someone who isn't an expert, everything we know so far can only go in our favour.

Sorry for asking a million questions in the longest way possible.

[jolly junco]

if newjeans are confident enough to demand things from ADOR and threaten to terminate their exclusive contract if demand are not met, then i know they will win the injuction

they obviously have discuss things with a legal experts before moving forward with their demand

[heady gate]

correct

[waxen musk]

Nothing I said above is about me lacking confidence in them. I'm mainly asking if you've seen less confident Bunnies out there who maybe know "more". I myself am so confident because of the girls' confidence.

[mild spade]

OT5 are probably likely to try to close this out quickly, but hybe is just trying to confuse and drag their feet to wear everyone down.

[copper jetty]

Honestly, I know that there's a big chance that the girls might win but in there's a tiny space of my brain thinking what if they lose??

[vague shore]

The result of the injunction isn’t even debatable. Historically, such requests are only rejected in rare cases, like Fifty Fifty, where they failed to meet the 14-day notice period and evidence of tampering was found. Aside from that, injunctions almost always favor the artist, as breach of trust can cover anything, even something as simple as a change in trusted management. The only point of contention might be the penalty fee, but that would take a long time to resolve and doesn’t even matter for NewJeans’ re-debut.

[mild spade]

everything has a risk, if you get out of your home to go to work, you might get knock down by a car, but should you still go to work?

so as long they can prove their statement, beyond reasonable doubt in the eyes of the law, things will be ok for OT5

[copper jetty]

Also if hybe loses, I'm pretty sure there's a chance they would do a gag order on the court documents but I hope the media would still print it.

[mild spade]

if hybe loses this, they might decide to do out of court settlement and then agree that this will never be talked about again

[copper jetty]

Newjeans should settle for their ip too if hybe loses.

[waxen musk]

A settlement better be worth it for the girls if it means we don't get all the evidence of what Hybe's been doing all this time out in the open. Because wanting everyone to see that is pretty important.

[heady gate]

IP is a different story

[copper jetty]

Couldn't they just leverage that with the not talking about this ever again??

[heady gate]

Let's focus on the next 10 days.

[vague shore]

You can't expect HYBE to make rational decisions. If they were smarter, they would treat NewJeans well, at least for the sake of the lawsuit, to diminish MHJ's influence. But as we've seen over the past six months, HYBE has even gone as far as attacking NewJeans' families through the media. They're anything but rational.

[jolly junco]

i feel like being a bunnies is the same as attending law school

[hoary frost]

https://tenor.com/view/playtime-dog-puppy-cute-gif-4994793

[mild spade]

this dog is broken

[waxen musk]

My concept of how much time has passed since major events is so messed up. When did the last petition reach 50K? Wasn't that a week ago already?

[narrow seal]

241116 coversbymadyan Instagram Update
https://www.instagram.com/p/DCck1n-xBjP

[inland bluff]

WAIT THEY ACTUALLY DID A DISBANDMENT SPEECH

[gleaming scarab]

no its just a speech

[waxen musk]

Someone ban that D word jesus fucking christ

[inland bluff]

D word 💀

[gleaming scarab]

if someone used the word disbandment, its just for reaction and clickbait

[waxen musk]

Sorry lol. I've seen it too much I'm getting triggered.

[inland bluff]

Oh sorry y'all

[gleaming scarab]

thats how youtube videos and articles get their views

[inland bluff]

So what was the speech about then

[gleaming scarab]

award acceptance speech, you can view it online just to get a feel yourself

[waxen musk]

I mean you listened to it I think it's obvious.

[inland bluff]

Ohhh so the title was just being overdramatic

[waxen musk]

Disbandment means the girls will be splitting apart. That's not what's happening. They're planning on hopefully leaving Hybe and rebranding.

[jolly junco]

hi

[inland bluff]

You know if you think about it, How Sweet kinda sounds like song about leaving Hybe

[hoary frost]

How abt this

[waxen musk]

CARYING?

[inland bluff]

"Don't you know How Sweet it tastes, now that I'm without you"

[hoary frost]

😹😹😹😹😹 STAYC CARYING HARD at NewJeans Speech

[young wyvern]

supernatural would the best disbandment song if they were. its a banger

[inland bluff]

All of NewJeans' songs are bangers

[hoary frost]

No disbandment song cos they r not disbanding

[jolly junco]

rebranding

[heady gate]

*x -c https://x.com/juantokki/status/1858344366097809542

[harsh dove]

@juantokki <t:1731898797:d>

'Signal for HYBE Escape?' NewJeans Issues 14-Day Ultimatum
Considering Termination of Exclusive Contract... Simultaneous Injunction and Lawsuit Expected
https://m.thebell.co.kr/m/newsview.asp?svccode=00&newskey=202411150853250860107196
By Lee Ji-hye

(This article was originally published on The Bell's premium page on November 15, 2024.)

NewJeans has issued another ultimatum to ADOR and HYBE, setting a 14-day deadline. They have sent a certified letter to ADOR indicating that they will terminate their exclusive contract if their demands are not met by the end of the month. This is the second time NewJeans has raised their concerns and set a correction period, following their first notice in September.

Observers are paying attention to the significance of the 14-day period specified in the ultimatum. Although this is the first time contract termination has been explicitly mentioned, it appears NewJeans had been considering a departure from HYBE for some time, with these correction periods serving as a precursor to their eventual legal actions against ADOR and HYBE.

Ultimatum as a Basis for Contract Termination?

According to the standard exclusive contract template announced by the Ministry of Culture, Sports, and Tourism on November 15, a "singer" or "agency" must first grant a 14-day correction period before terminating a contract or seeking damages. If the party at fault fails to resolve the issues within this period, the other party may then terminate the contract or claim compensation.

Granting a correction period is a crucial step in lawsuits related to contract termination. A precedent can be found in the legal battle between the girl group Fifty Fifty and their agency, ATTRAKT, last year. Fifty Fifty’s injunction to suspend the effect of their exclusive contract was dismissed, partly because they had not granted ATTRAKT the required 14-day correction period before announcing their intent to te

[jolly junco]

lets use word rebranding more often, not disbandment

[inland bluff]

Yeah it's a rebranding y'all

[waxen musk]

That's just a better translation of what was posted earlier. Still worth reading.

"Forced rebranding due to leaving a toxic workplace." This should literally pop up whenever someone uses the D word.

[vague shore]

well. technically, they're re-debuting, so they could even qualify for Rookie of the Year again.

[scenic crest]

true

[waxen musk]

lol that would be funny. I don't know the technicalities of award shows though.

[inland bluff]

I really wonder what company they'll go to or if they'll make a new company

[scenic crest]

[waxen musk]

Can they be the first 6th gen group please.

[inland bluff]

I'm hoping for JYP ngl so Twice can interact with them more frequently

[vague shore]

Winning both the Daesang and Rookie of the Year in the same year twice would be an unbeatable record.

[tawdry vessel]

i love rebranding

[upbeat stream]

They'll most certainly create a new company. Kpop doesn't have big tent labels like the western big3. The big agencies like sm or jyp don't take in groups

The biggest I know is BPM which may not have the resources for nwjns, unless they get a significant investment

[jolly junco]

trust me they will start their own agency, no need to join any labels out there

no one can control crazy girl like MHJ

[upbeat stream]

The only real parallel nwjns has is jyj (in terms of popularity) and they created their own label

[sage pilot]

when newjeans re-debut and make their debut showcase at tokyo dome and become the fastest rookie ever to sold out tokyo dome (in basically 1 day since debut) 🤭

[upbeat stream]

lmao

[cinder verge]

what are the chances of newjeans keeping IP,

[cosmic bison]

🤞

[jolly junco]

50%

[cinder verge]

damn that high? do we know for a fact newjeans has a bunch of shit on hybe

like concrete stuff

[hoary frost]

NJs bout to end another kpop generation

[wind monolith]

this was something i wrote before but im def missing stuff
Newjeans evidence against hybe:

• Hanni incident manager (hanni also has recordings of fake ceo)
• Shin woo seok old videos getting taken down (he also has recordings)
• Hybe downplaying newjeans sales in Japan
• Hybe calling to end newjeans in the internal report
• leaked videos from source music.
• belift plagarism
• hybe employees on blind downplaying newjeans
• Sabotaging LV deal

[heady gate]

Who has the evidence against Belift plagiarism, is it MHJ or NJ?

[red thorn]

https://x.com/newjeans250/status/1858372609215463570

릴TOKKI (@newjeans250) on X

1차 가처분 : 표절 등 내부고발 근거 없지 않고 민희진이 고의로 손해를 끼쳤다 보기 어려워 배임도 아님

2차 가처분 : 주주간 계약의 프로큐어 조항으로 대표직 복귀를 강제하는데 법적인 형식상 문제가 있어 기각이 아닌 각하 판결

내년 1월 소송 : 손해배상은 소송 제기한 원고의 입증책임이 크다

Twitter · Nov 18, 2024, 4:52 AM

[wind monolith]

does that rlly matter tho cuz if mhj has it then nj also have it

[cinder verge]

do we know the exact conditions of the contract? Then we can determine to the extent to which they were breached by hybe

[wind monolith]

we dont

[cinder verge]

damn, so we can only assume and wait to see what happens basically

[wind monolith]

yep

[heady gate]

We are outsider. We speculate everything.

[cinder verge]

i hope they can keep "newjeans" so bad

[silent spade]

I would maybe add sabotaging their LV deal. Dunno if that was proven

[wind monolith]

oh ya good one

[jolly junco]

it was, HYBE even had to pay for the breach of contract about this 1

[silent spade]

[jolly junco]

"It was also alleged that the HYBE branding team lied to ADOR and Louis Vuitton separately in order to appoint LE SSERAFIM as the luxury brand's ambassador. However, ADOR discovered this which led to HYBE acknowledging their mistake and giving ADOR three months' worth of commission."

https://www.timesnownews.com/entertainment-news/korean/hybe-stole-newjeans-louis-vuitton-deal-for-le-sserafim-alleged-court-document-raises-suspicion-article-110671168

[silent spade]

However, as ADOR and Louis Vuitton fact-check their contract, HYBE accused ADOR of 'leaking internal documents' and submitted the exchange to the court.

Bruh

[heady gate]

*x https://x.com/juantokki/status/1858380820731613608

[harsh dove]

@juantokki <t:1731907489:d>

[cosmic bison]

🤞🫰

[cinder verge]

🖕

[steel depot]

very them... they should change in to this

[harsh dove]

:warning: Tweet with id 1858407944884543530 does not contain any media!

[jolly junco]

~t https://x.com/NewJeansSTRM/status/1858407944884543530

[narrow seal]

241118 NewJeansSTRM Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/NewJeansSTRM/status/1858407944884543530
ENG) Hello, this is Team Bunnies.

On November 15, Belift Lab CEO Kim Tae-ho stated in an interview with a media outlet that the planning proposal for Belift Lab’s group and NewJeans are “completely different” and announced plans to pursue additional lawsuits. Despite being

[jolly junco]

sigh another criminal complaint.......

[rain spade]

Wth?

[wind monolith]

We believe it is better to clarify the truth in court rather than publicly releasing the materials to a broad audience, which might cause unnecessary fatigue. Accordingly, Team Bunnies is preparing a criminal complaint in collaboration with legal counsel against Kim Tae-ho, Belift Lab CEO (HYBE COO), as well as visual director Heo ○○ and performance director Myung ○○, based on several confirmed allegations. We will proceed with the filing shortly.
Additionally, we inform you that the first case against HYBE, Source Music, and Dispatch, as well as the second case against Kim Joo-young, Lee Do-kyung, Park Tae-hee, and Cho Sung-hoon, have been consolidated and are currently under investigation as of November 15.

important paragraphs this is team bunnies filing a criminal complaint agains kim tae ho

[jolly junco]

criminal complaint took months to start investigation, and then additional months to complete before having any results...................

so its safe to say we wont get any result about anything until after 2025

[wind monolith]

i am hoping we get most results by end of january

[jolly junco]

we probably wont, first hearing is at 10th? or 15th? thats just the first hearing

complicated cases usually took more than 1 hearing at court

[wind monolith]

https://tenor.com/view/its-true-it-is-true-sad-joker-the-joker-gif-5019599950275042907

true

i might just have to go to La and kidnap bhs and force him to fix everything

[sonic meadow]

Fuck Hybe ❤️

[short lynx]

Its probably the most stupid question ever but do yall think the spotify and yt will still be up after this?

[wind monolith]

their songs will still be there im pre sure

[hoary frost]

i guess hybe succeeded on the hiatus they wanted

[jolly junco]

this is a dilemma for me too.... if oneday NJ finally be free from HYBE but without their IP

streaming NJ songs meaning still supporting money to HYBE........

as a bunnies stationhead hoster i'm having a big dilemma about it

[sonic meadow]

😭💀

[hoary frost]

imo ill still listen to it even if hybe keeps the money stream money isnt that good anyways ill stop buying merch tho plus they might have royalties since they’re credited

[wind monolith]

I only have 1 album🥲 i was gonna get nj1 😭😭😭😭😭

[lucid yarrow]

doesn't portion of the money still go to the artist at least?

[short lynx]

I mean that's legally required right? They'd literally commit a crime if not

[cerulean lake]

honestly i’m starting to hate the belift ceo more than bsh for now

[split bramble]

oh it means police have consolidated the cases and investigating as one large case?

[short laurel]

btw in may/june a minor shareholder of hybe sued hybe for breach of trusts. any news on that ?

[flint stone]

By the way, how does rerecording works? Like if they rerecord song wouldn't hybe sue or do something to them because rights for songs belong to ador/hybe?

[stiff prairie]

it ain't that easy. i didn't follow taylor swift's case that close but she got a ruling from court that allowed her to re-record all her previous works

[short laurel]

if girls have copyright of the song they can do taylor swift. not much can do on songs they have no credits on.

taylor swift herself worked on her songs lyrics and composition.

[cerulean lake]

how bout if bana is credited on that if they’re from a different company

[short laurel]

maybe they can do something with BANA since BANA also shares copyright to all of NJ music.

[flint stone]

hybe didn't worked on it either, can they rerecord it if the one who did all allows them to?

[short laurel]

but it depends on what contract bana had with ador. so we don't know.

[wind monolith]

Only time will tell

[short laurel]

ador own's the copyright

[wind monolith]

I hate waiting give me a Time Machine

[flint stone]

Do one

[cerulean lake]

anyways i’m wish team bunnies has very incriminating evidence

that’s the only way i can be more confident w these freaking lawsuits 🥲

[short laurel]

i want someone to leak something so bad on hybe that they can never get away with it no matter how much anyone supports them.

[sonic meadow]

I think those leaked. Documents were already enough

[jolly junco]

Apparently not bad enough

I think we need something on the level BSH killed someone and someone had a record of him doing that for it to be considered bad enough

[wind monolith]

@cinder narwhal give ur rzns here

[hoary frost]

someone should knock me into a coma for 10 days

[cinder narwhal]

i don't want to get into it.

just leave her.

does this server and staff support mhj too?

[wind monolith]

U cant just say i hope nj disband from mhj without any rzn😭 is the better option staying with hybe

[modern fog]

I support her FOR NEWJEANS.

[sonic meadow]

Hybe is losing stocks and losing places on charts

[wind monolith]

If nj support her why would we not

[cinder narwhal]

coz she trashed other groups like illit and lsfm smh

[wind monolith]

We got a hybe employee here

[modern fog]

no don't accuse someone like that

[vague shore]

jesus christ. here we go again.

[tawdry vessel]

go back to twitter or reddit

[wind monolith]

Everyday im here cuz of clowns

[cinder narwhal]

i do NOT wanna get banned so warn me beforehand. just talking

[wind monolith]

Who get their stuff off reddit sniper or jjinjin

[cinder narwhal]

i can be pro nj anti mhj right? free server and all that

that's why i said i didn't wanna get into it

[wind monolith]

Ur just spreading misinformation tho

U dislike someone cuz u read something and didnt fact check it

[modern fog]

then correct it! that's why this thread is still open.

[heady gate]

For now

[wind monolith]

https://tenor.com/view/smile-gif-3803145174211534301

[cinder narwhal]

:atokkiyap:

[modern fog]

@cinder narwhal are you willing to change your stan if somebody proves that you're being misinformed?

[cosmic bison]

Someone lost

[cinder narwhal]

idrc

someone tagged me here i wasn't willing to talk here in the first place

[modern fog]

that settles it

[wind monolith]

Alr its fine

[split bramble]

the leak to end them would be their room salon escapades

[jolly junco]

Another lost soul 💔

[sweet pebble]

*tt https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSjaxpLFP/

[harsh dove]

@vinniie

[sweet pebble]

ts theory

[cosmic bison]

Fr

[wind monolith]

https://tenor.com/view/newjeans-hanni-hyein-newjeans-hanni-0705ari-gif-26807148

[steel depot]

is it a "here we go again" situation?

[wind monolith]

No they dont care about their opinion and dont wanna expand on it either a lost cause

[short laurel]

u won't get banned for not liking mhj. but tell us the reason why u hate her?
when mhj mentioned illit and lsfm. they was cuz of the mediaplay against her back in april which she had no choice but to add them to clear her name and she clearly said they are not at fault. her target was the management behind the groups.

[steel depot]

poor thing...

[cinder narwhal]

where my illit fans at

[hoary frost]

whats going on

[steel depot]

there are some but this is not the place for it so stop wasting time

[jolly junco]

Give her the 2 screenshot about this illit so she knows, if she still refuse to acknowledge it then lets just give up

[wind monolith]

So if illit fans say she defamed them then its true ?

[cinder narwhal]

yeah so stop pinging me

[short laurel]

i not have it open rn.

[sweet pebble]

belift ceo is NOT the voice of illit

[short laurel]

#kpop-chat go there if u wanna talk about other idols on unrelated issues.

[hoary frost]

yea i feel bad for illit cus theyre practically getting dragged by their ceo as a shield

[modern fog]

I thought it's done

[steel depot]

fr...

[sweet pebble]

yh hybe is one hell of an egoist

[jolly junco]

Should we keep people who are misinformed be or should we correct them?

[sweet pebble]

correct them

[heady gate]

He dragged the artists and the fans as shield

[split bramble]

if i witness bullying and my boss is using my name to clear himself i aint keeping my mouth shut

[hoary frost]

society if hybe ceo gets replaced completely

[wind monolith]

Issue is they could care less they dont wanna change their opinion their being blind

[cinder narwhal]

didn't it get replaced recently

[short laurel]

puppet replaced by another puppet. both still in high position in the company.

[cinder narwhal]

I'm minformed about hybe changing ceos?

[wind monolith]

What they meant is chairman of hybe and all the ppl who r rotten get replaced

[short laurel]

no. ceo was replaced yea. but by another puppet. and old ceo still remains in high position.

[modern fog]

correct them, but if they refuse to again, change their stan about it after you guys explain everything then you're just going circles again.

but in this case they don't really want to argue about that so I think it's pointless to waste your precious time for explaining shit to them.

[cinder narwhal]

ofc why would a 🦳 follow newjeans

[wind monolith]

What does that even mean ?

[jolly junco]

sigh

[wind monolith]

I love how he/she ignored the questions replied with where my illit fans at

And keeps dodging and trolling

[vague shore]

I'll never understand people who have strong opinions without taking the time to dig in

[jolly junco]

Lets just stop it, no point in discussing with her/him since she really dont care about the truth

[modern fog]

bros not even trying to make a conversation

thank you vous

[cinder narwhal]

just let me enjoy nj before they disband stop lecturing me get off your high horse.

[short laurel]

imo there reply showed they don't care about their group either. cuz they are not even doubting illit's management.

[wind monolith]

Lol bro said disband

[jolly junco]

I think my profile name not big enough

[cinder narwhal]

add it to automod if you're so sensitive about it.

[short laurel]

ignore them. block them. don't reply to them. they'll leave on their own if they are not open to conversation.

[vague shore]

there you go

[wind monolith]

They clearly dont care about nj

If they r ready for them to disband genuinely pisses me off

[jolly junco]

It just amazed me people like her/him exist

But again there are many like that on reddit and twitter so yeah

[hoary frost]

gonna show hybe stans that one short where its revealed that hybe insult practically everyone in the kpop industry

[jolly junco]

Dont waste your time

[wind monolith]

Scattered went to nj to spread more misinfo saaying the board added mhj back as director when we know she hasnt accepted it or declined it

[jolly junco]

How do you know her bruh, i saw you were the one that tagged her to come here

[short laurel]

they know. they've seen it, they've suffered, they scream loud when their fav experiece this but when it's about other aritsts they change it to "everyone suffers this, grow up"

[wind monolith]

She said i hope nj disband from mhj so instead of asking her there i tagged her here

I didnt wanna ask her in the newjeans chat cuz it was off topic

[jolly junco]

She said that on #newjeans-chat ??? How did she stay alive

[raw dove]

hi

[hoary frost]

meow

[short laurel]

so many people unalive themselves with only 1/100th of the pressure.

[wind monolith]

https://tenor.com/view/hey-cat-waving-wave-paw-gif-11249423921160715390

[short laurel]

@raw dove @neon igloo @hoary frost mhj did not step down from ceo position but dismissed by hybe controlled bod. there's difference in 2. hybe offered her internal director position which she declined. recently bod offered her director position we have no news of that if she accepted it or declined it. latest news about her relation to ador is her exercising her put option, which means she's selling all her stocks at ador. so safe to assume she is get out of ador.

[raw dove]

im kinda confused

so she's just trying to get out of ador?

[neon igloo]

Yep, bcs she has nothing left to fight for in ADOR, as NewJeans decided to file for contract termination. It’s easier for her to secure financial resources and start over

[heady gate]

MHJ got voted out by the Ador's board members

[neon igloo]

Actually, everything could still change at the last moment, as we are merely observers in this situation.
However, at this point, it’s a very reasonable decision.
If she were only after money, she would have used her option in 2025 to maximize her profit

[raw dove]

so it's likely that mhj will make a different company

[short laurel]

low chance for ador and hybe to fullfill nj's demand.

[neon igloo]

kinda, but we don't know for sure right now

[tawdry vessel]

wym by yep? she literally wanted to get her ceo position back but hybe said nope

[wind monolith]

Ya but now the ceo position doesnt matter if nj contract gets terminated

[raw dove]

yeah

[short laurel]

that was be4. things changed when nj sent notice to ador.

[raw dove]

and she probably knows that it's better for newjeans to leave

[neon igloo]

I know that. I know she tried to fight for her return to the CEO position. I wrote that after everything that happened, the only thing left for her is to take her entire staff and leave together with NewJeans

[heady gate]

Only Hybe or the court are allowed to terminate their contracts. We will know the result next year.

[neon igloo]

That’s true. This process will be long and challenging for all

[buoyant hamlet]

Ador has some male trainees MHJ looked over IIRC

[short laurel]

they'll likely go under hybe.

[upbeat stream]

Expect injunction result by February or March

[wind monolith]

Ador most likely will be merged with another label and those trainee prbly will go there

[upbeat stream]

But the losing party will definitely appeal

If nwjns win, they can immediately begin activities regardless of appeal though

[wind monolith]

Oh thats good i didnt know that

I thought appeal just delays stuff even more😭

[gleaming scarab]

i always thought about how those male trainees are doing considering whats happening at ador

[upbeat stream]

Injunction suspends the contract. So even though it still exists technically, all of its terms vanish

[wind monolith]

I see 🫡 made it more clear for me thank u 🙏

[upbeat stream]

Yeah, I like Loona so I know a bit about contract termination lol

[raw dove]

whats iirc?

[raw dove]

i think all the newjeans members were training unde3r source before moving to ador

[copper jetty]

I also love that aside from the label they sued the individuals too. That means they're gonna be paying those lawyers from outta their pockets individually

[cinder narwhal]

nj under belift?

[copper jetty]

They did??

[copper jetty]

I don't think so. Hybe stans keep saying their just a compilation.m of netizen comments for "Market research analysis" yeah right.

[rain spade]

Yeah.

[raw dove]

ador is under belift?

[wind monolith]

No no

Thats a troll

[neon igloo]

HYBE is under ADOR

[wind monolith]

Scattered is a troll not moody

[jolly junco]

he/she is clearly not up to date about newjeans related news

[wind monolith]

Doesnt wanna talk related to the news but make stupid inputs

[cinder narwhal]

you tagged me here teach me how to leave thread. please.

[wind monolith]

Idk a u issue find out urself

[jolly junco]

no one tagged you for the past 15minutes

[sweet pebble]

belift hates nj lol

[wind monolith]

Im not ur tech agent here to guide u

[valid sierra]

i wonder if Hybe will continue using the NewJeans IP by debuting new members

[brazen ice]

thatd be insane actually

[steel depot]

they're crazy if they do that

[wind monolith]

The hate train 🚂

[jolly junco]

i know HYBE are stupid but i dont think they are that stupid tho 💀

[sonic meadow]

Aren’t they already crazy

[frosty echo]

I can teach you, press on the server icon press leave server and then press yes and boom, you're out of the thread

[rain spade]

Im just giving stupid answer to stupid questions

[cinder narwhal]

thank you

[steel depot]

yes they are

[vague shore]

That's not possible unless at least one of the original members is in it

[steel depot]

newjeans 2nd gen? what is this akb48???

[copper jetty]

Nah scattered is just trolling. He's still in the server.

[copper jetty]

Akb48? Isn't that a Japanese group?

[rain spade]

Scatter, what do you think of jinjin and sniiper twitter account on this drama 🤔

[tawdry vessel]

*bethief

[steel depot]

yes, but offtopic

[cinder narwhal]

who

[wind monolith]

Thats prbly their source

[cinder narwhal]

i only follow loops the goat

[sonic meadow]

I’m sorry but Newjeans and belift won’t fit together

[copper jetty]

Wtf why do you guys keep tagging someone who's clearly not interested in this???

[cinder narwhal]

😏

[upbeat stream]

https://m.newsprime.co.kr/section_view.html?no=654262

[wind monolith]

They could just mute the thread tho

[raw dove]

real

[upbeat stream]

This article says that you need permission from songwriters to re-record

[rain spade]

I didn't even tag em

[modern fog]

THAT'S WHAT I MEAN

[upbeat stream]

Just like in the US with Taylor

[sonic meadow]

Out of all companies choosing belift at a situation like this is crazy and a 0 percent chance anyways

[steel depot]

any legit updates to talk about that is not nonsense?

[copper jetty]

Is there no way to kick this person out. Can we call the mods??

[wind monolith]

Team bunnies my goat lawsuit against belift ceo

[cinder narwhal]

so BANA guys nice all friends with mhj

[steel depot]

source pls thanks thanks

[rain spade]

Nonsense and troll

[wind monolith]

One sec

[tawdry vessel]

mods suck

[upbeat stream]

Yes it's very encouraging

[modern fog]

this channel will be locked for good I swear 🤣

[heady gate]

That is good.

[cinder narwhal]

what if nj joins bana that'd be nice

[hoary frost]

Not the locking again

[wind monolith]

-t https://x.com/juantokki/status/1858437455550234721?s=46

1tokki (@juantokki) on X

Team Bunnies: "We Possess Recordings Related to ILLIT Plagiarism… Preparing Criminal Charges Against Belift Lab CEO" [Full Statement]
https://t.co/jcIjtjwwLg
Reporter Jang Joo-yeon

The fandom group "Team Bunnies," representing the fans of NewJeans, announced on November 18 that

Twitter · Nov 18, 2024, 9:09 AM

[tall dew]

Error: Couldn't find a tag named https://x.com/juantokki/status/1858437455550234721?s=46

[steel depot]

[jolly junco]

this discord need a place to talk about not only MHJ vs HYBE, but the WHOLE situations that are happening right now. Its inevitable. I hope you understand that

because they are all genuinely care about newjeansw

[neon igloo]

Calm down and don't argue with each other. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. However, it's always better to update yourself with the latest information before expressing it. In any case, we must support NewJeans in every possible way, even if someone dislikes MHJ

[heady gate]

If Tim was here, he would have locked this sub under Nov 27.

[upbeat stream]

The best thing mhj did was to never have hybe songwriters on nwjns songs

[copper jetty]

Ok. Well if you lock this we'll just talk it out in newjeans server. It's newjeans issue anyway

[upbeat stream]

Guys please calm down🙏

[heady gate]

She has great vision

[cinder narwhal]

you don't want HITMAN BANG on the songs? 🤣

[jolly junco]

maybe we should change the name of the thread? because its not about MHJ vs HYBE anymore. Things have escalated since then

[upbeat stream]

Can't afford a lockdown here

Yeah it's nwjns vs hybe now

[heady gate]

Season 4 - nwjns vs hybe

[neon igloo]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/948917132459130940/1302379768557338736/togif.gif

[upbeat stream]

Do you guys remember when it was called ador audit discussion?

[wind monolith]

https://tenor.com/view/newjeans-hanni-bread-cheeks-gif-26722551

[neon igloo]

You simply can't argue or fight after seeing this dumpling puppy!

[copper jetty]

Wait imma save this. This doggo is so cute

[neon igloo]

Yesss, he is like a dumpling

[bronze jetty]

team bunnies does not play and i love it, they’re serious about this as well

[sonic meadow]

Does hybe drama ever end

[upbeat stream]

I think team bunnies are in contact with nwjns

[jolly junco]

people will keep digging their fault even after NJ left years later, i'm sure of it

[upbeat stream]

It's quite likely

[copper jetty]

Not since April. I swear we're so tired. Take me back to last year.

[upbeat stream]

Please

[jolly junco]

nah i prefer for you to take me into the future, so we can see how happy minji hanni dani haerin hyein on stage without an evil company backing them

going back to april just gonna repeat the hell we went thru once again

[cerulean lake]

first hybe should be tax audited 🙂‍↕️✊

that way the pressure is on them socially

[copper jetty]

Ok but we're jumping to the worst case scenario though that things are gonna go through the court but what are the chances that one of the party will settle??

[cerulean lake]

let’s be fr they’re never gonna settle the belift ceo still yapping and denying

[copper jetty]

I don't think newjeans will but maybe hybe if they don't want all their dirty laundry shown

[sonic meadow]

April sucked so bad

[wind monolith]

Dw guys time machine is in progress just gotta make my vehicle go faster than the speed of light rn it moves at 50 km/h

[cerulean lake]

that man never shuts up and acts like the damn victim

[neon igloo]

You simply can't convince someone who doesn't read the facts or is convinced of the opposite. It's just not worth wasting your time. I share your point of view, and plenty of people on this server think the same way. What the other 3% think is absolutely irrelevant

[copper jetty]

Can somebody list down all the inconsistencies theyve done with all their statements??

[upbeat stream]

Nah the main demand on which neither side will settle is mhj as ceo

[cerulean lake]

would she be willing to accept a position where she’s like the highest internal director but without all the toxic clauses 🤔

but just not as ceo i wonder

[upbeat stream]

Huh?

[copper jetty]

True. But that'll lead to a court battle. Hybe may be ready financially but with all the things that'll go through the media? Let's not forget that weekly trend report. If another bombshell comes out of that court room then hybe will definitely be on fire.

[cerulean lake]

wait is it possible for the brands they are affiliated with to sue hybe for this whole termination thing bc it’s messing up the brands too? or would it be more on nj?

[copper jetty]

Yes

[wind monolith]

It would be hybe

[cerulean lake]

that way can’t the brands put financial pressure on hybe then

[upbeat stream]

Yeah, who knows. When I'm on twt or here I become so optimistic but then I see reddit and... They are so confident that hybe will win

[cerulean lake]

they should threaten like financial compensation for this so hybe can be worried bc they’re already in debt

[upbeat stream]

That's exactly what I've been thinking

[wind monolith]

What proof do reddit user have i hate going there😭

[upbeat stream]

Nwjns endorses 18 brands, won't they all sue hybe if nwjns win?

[cerulean lake]

depends on which subreddit u go to

[upbeat stream]

Nothing, just vibes

[cerulean lake]

the other ones probably use sniper and jinjins as sources

[wind monolith]

Oh ok ok hybe stans being delulu

[cerulean lake]

i’m not even joking bc i saw someone talking abt the situation using sniper’s accusations before

[cerulean lake]

that’s what i’m hoping too

[copper jetty]

Reddits information is so clueless and not updated.

Also do you even believe reddit users who defend what hybe did with following choi yumi home for an "internal audit"? That audit was illegal cause audits have standards and should only be adapted to work spaces.

[cerulean lake]

like if apple, indomie, stonehenge, shinhan bank all sue them cant it be like financially crippling hybe??

i hope there’s a paragraph in the contract talking abt how if anything happens between nj and hybe, then the fault would be on hybe

plus coke too 🧐

[bronze jetty]

r/kpop, r/kpopthoughts and r/kpop_uncensored are anti newjeans unfortunately. r/newjeans is the only safe space on reddit for tokkis

[heady gate]

time will tell.

[cerulean lake]

funny how reddit used to be one of my favs for actual discussions but i probably only go on it for like 15 min in a whole week now bc of this

only in the newjeans subreddit too 🤭

[copper jetty]

Also i see hybe stans saying that they could just transfer those contracts to their other gg. Which imo could actually happen. We know what happened with the ador and that brand synergy team.

[bronze jetty]

yeah i used to enjoy going on there more as well but now i just to go r/newjeans

[cerulean lake]

i wish they could say smth so hybe panics before the 14 days are up

but that’s probably not realistic

[bronze jetty]

the gaslighting in the other kpop subreddits is insane

they lurk in r/newjeans and think we’re the ones living in an alternate universe

[sonic meadow]

Reddit is so mean

[bronze jetty]

but then again their core demographic/userbase is like gp 999

[jolly junco]

how did you guys survive reddit i went to reddit once, never going back there again after that

[sonic meadow]

Usually never typed anything there just there for entertainment lol

[bronze jetty]

r/newjeans isn’t so bad!

and other subreddits for shows i watch LOL

[copper jetty]

I don't even know why they do this. They don't see tokkis lurking in their subreddits. It's screaming obsessed.

[jolly junco]

i would have gone mental just to read what people are saying on reddit, no need for me to reply and get on argument with them

[sonic meadow]

Same I just know I’ll get into an argument right after I write down my thoughts or opinions haha

[heady gate]

Season 1 - HYBE demands board meeting to fire MHJ as CEO
Season 2 - MHJ dismissed from CEO position
Season 3 - NJ and Tokkis vs Hybe Corp

[sonic meadow]

truly a kdrama atp

[bronze jetty]

tbf some tokkis do go into other subreddits but only to stop the misinfo

but r/kpop are full of hybe stans regardless

[jolly junco]

*x -c https://x.com/tina2nHR/status/1858391830481768580

[harsh dove]

@tina2nHR <t:1731910114:d>

dani made the clay mug so well tenasia thought mhj is shopping at a prop shop these idiots LMAOOOOO 😭

[jolly junco]

this is how we know HYBE controlling tenasia

[copper jetty]

But it's mostly kpop subreddits and not under their r/(hybe group) sub. Or does tokkis so that too??

[jolly junco]

[sonic meadow]

BELIEF LAB

[wind monolith]

Ratmys gonna eat this up

[copper jetty]

Bro... that was literally in a zine episode.

[bronze jetty]

r/kpopthoughts and r/kpop_uncensored i know for sure, as far as the other hybe groups’ subreddit i don’t think so

[jolly junco]

dani should start making more clay mug and sell it as NJ merch

[copper jetty]

That Dani mug.

Yeah we would buy.

[marsh sorrel]

Nice idea 💡

[jolly junco]

oh i would definitely buy 1, i love to drink hot tea/ hot americano

[wind monolith]

Alr good night guys my sleep schedule is screwed its 6 am

[jolly junco]

understandable, its award seasons. Pretty normal

[sonic meadow]

Ok that made me laugh

[copper jetty]

True same. I'll be sleeping too. It's also 6 am here.

[bronze jetty]

oof rest well guys! i’m getting ready for work

[heady gate]

Blame Hybe.😅

[grizzled panther]

😢

[flint stone]

💔😰

[frosty echo]

I go to reddit to see sometimes Caedrel's reddit

[tawdry vessel]

tragedy

[harsh dove]

:warning: This command is exclusive to Miso Bot donators! Consider donating to get access

[sweet pebble]

goated ceo!! unlike one out there...

[lofty compass]

Nj

[short laurel]

i problem with him is he still close to BSH.

[cosmic bison]

[sweet pebble]

but still, he is doing it for the love of the game not for the love of money

[short laurel]

alot of aritsts doing what they doing for the love of the game while jokes like hybe executives keep getting away with their bs.

jyp groups are clearly mentioned in hybe report. even in belift video and jyp ent did nothing.

[rain spade]

Jyp dance with twice on stage before

[sweet pebble]

idk the reason why they did nothing but i am sure that they js dont want to be part of the dramas

[hoary frost]

all big 3 are connected somewhat thats why they didn’t even move when the leaks happened unlike grps from smaller companies who clearly threw shade

[jolly junco]

~t https://x.com/garpu67359211/status/1858483907253199077

[narrow seal]

241118 garpu67359211 Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/garpu67359211/status/1858483907253199077
증거도 없이 괴롭힐려고 하는 민사 vs 증거가 있어야하는 형사 고발.

It's not hard to understand 💁🏼‍♀️

[jolly junco]

clocked so hard

*tr 증거도 없이 괴롭힐려고 하는 민사 vs 증거가 있어야하는 형사 고발.

[harsh dove]

ko->en

Civil charges that are intended to harass without evidence vs. criminal charges that require evidence.

[narrow seal]

241118 AboutMusicYT Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/AboutMusicYT/status/1858491896705753572
Rosé on NewJeans in a recent interview:

"I love those girls so much"

[short laurel]

i saw a kboo article about mhj slapping back at bethief's interview. can't find the link now.

[ocean arch]

https://x.com/Koreaboo/status/1858432472457023553?t=yPM5jNJqpWEFiyd5QIho9Q&s=19

Koreaboo (@Koreaboo) on X

Min Hee Jin Slams HYBE And BeLift Lab For Damaging NewJeans And Using ILLIT As Shield
https://t.co/eT1ynWjS3t

Twitter · Nov 18, 2024, 8:50 AM

[short laurel]

thx

[split bramble]

go read up on how he sells trainees for diddy parties before thinking he's any better than BSH types

they all birds of same feather

[sweet pebble]

huuhhh???

wtf...

this is heartbreaking... damn u cant trust anyone these days

[split bramble]

why else do you think BSH and his cronies can do all these things and feel untouchable about it? they've been doing it in ent and gaming industry for decades, its normal everyday life for them

[upbeat stream]

He has done so many shady things i can't even remember

[sonic meadow]

Fr it’s so bad that it’s uncountable

[sage pilot]

I wanted to add something about the re-recording. With the US labels, artists usually have a clause that they can’t legally re-record within a certain period of time. With Taylor’s case, she couldn’t re-record her work 5 years from the date of release. After the success of Taylor’s Version, record labels started prolonging those restrictions from 5 years to 10-30 years. We don’t know if Korean K-pop companies/Hybe have these legal restrictions. They’re most likely doing so since most of them are just copy-pasting from US labels. So, NJ maybe legally can’t re-record their music right away. We should await the details and clarification on that, but I wanted to give you a heads up as a Swiftie. Don’t expect NJ to re-record right away

[lucid yarrow]

well its korea where corporations have more laws/power to protect itself....ahem thier overlord samsung. Lets see if they learn from this and ban it too prob not...

[short laurel]

jyp has done shady stuff but this part is fake news.

[wind monolith]

Im awake and back

Seems like nothing new, waiting game it is still

[vapid turret]

Well at least with Rose supporting the girls we know they're truly going to rebrand one day

When one of the most popular K-pop stars says "I love these people." You know you made it big.

[sleek crest]

is it possible for them to keep phoning?

[flint stone]

I don't think so, it's under weverse

and weverse basically hybe

[sleek crest]

but it's also possible for them to create a similar one right?

[flint stone]

I don't know, not really soon after they rebrand but probably they can

[orchid field]

lmao look at the replies from this account i a caught a hybe bot
https://x.com/nicole_los64086/with_replies

X

Twitter

[wind monolith]

No

[orchid field]

she will not win

[vapid turret]

She who?

[orchid field]

im kiddingggg just look at the bot account's replies

[vapid turret]

Still I wish people would stop spreading misinformation about their "disbandment"

[wind monolith]

Some dont care like a certain person i saw yesterday

[young wyvern]

is it possible if you guys could start using nitter or some other site that makes tweets accessible? cant see it without a twitter account

[neon igloo]

Most tokkies are far removed from the K-pop industry. As a result, any information reaches them much later and often in a distorted form

[split bramble]

they shouldnt anyway, once they're free the goal would be to expand your audience as quickly as you can, and that dont work by putting yourself behind a paywall

[wise wagon]

rose is the sweetest ><

[wind monolith]

-tt https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMhnF5j7Y/

[leaden pawn]

need a paywall to keep the haters out

[thick needle]

[wind monolith]

-t https://twitter.com/thegreatgaram/status/1858606064209719307

람짱 // ʀᴀᴍᴊᴊᴀɴɢ (@thegreatgaram) on X

HYBE’S SINS: HOW HYBE BREACHED NEWJEANS’ TRUST

Twitter · Nov 18, 2024, 8:19 PM

[tall dew]

Error: Couldn't find a tag named https://twitter.com/thegreatgaram/status/1858606064209719307

[jolly junco]

Use ~ instead of -

[wind monolith]

oh thank u 😭 i never understand these bot tags

[raw dove]

Real

[waxen musk]

I've been here for like 1.5 years and I still don't know how to use bot commands.
Another goated thread by @thegreatgaram on Twitter.

[short lynx]

Crying, this entire thing sucks so fucking bad

[wind monolith]

i feel u and idk y tdy its hit me hard, listening to birds of A feather😭

[cosmic bison]

schedule

[short lynx]

So painful bro, imagine it being your only escape from school and work and then !

[red thorn]

The tenasia dumb article about mhj's mug post reminded me of past article report of Hanni's absent during jean's zine content

[jolly junco]

damn ramjjang is on a roll, that thread are SO DETAILED with very good explaination completed with trusted sources

sniper and jjinjins could never

[waxen musk]

It's insane amazing work and everyone needs to see them

[tawdry vessel]

us who dont use twitter cant even see the thread

sad

[jolly junco]

i will compiled everything on the thread and post it here later

[tawdry vessel]

[waxen musk]

Damn kinda off topic but seeing Belifts plagiarism work for their other group... it seems like a pattern nowadays. Anyway prob best to not discuss here but let me know if you wanna know what I'm talking about (dm me).

Oh nevermind just follow ramjjang on twitter they're the one who reposted it (i didnt realise until after i wrote the above lol)

Just follow them in general, they're doing the best work

[bronze jetty]

i think i know what you're talking about 👀

[jolly junco]

credits to Ramjjang on X https://x.com/thegreatgaram/status/1858606064209719307

람짱 // ʀᴀᴍᴊᴊᴀɴɢ (@thegreatgaram) on X

HYBE’S SINS: HOW HYBE BREACHED NEWJEANS’ TRUST

Twitter · Nov 18, 2024, 8:19 PM

[wind monolith]

theres literally so much at least one of them has to be a breach on contract if only we knew what was on their contracts

[wind monolith]

~t https://twitter.com/maruru2051/status/1858544125345509717

[narrow seal]

241118 maruru2051 Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/maruru2051/status/1858544125345509717
Mobiiusは当時、BELIFT LABに直接連絡し、友好的な解決を試みたそうですが、動画作成時点では返答がなかったようです。私は、彼がその後にどんな対応を受けたのか気になっています。

この問題を取り扱った日本のYoutube動画に5ヶ月前(2024年6月)にコメントしているのを見かけました。(写真3枚目)

[wind monolith]

this?

[waxen musk]

yes

[wind monolith]

belift gotta be the dumbest label fk them

"but we dont plagarize" my ass

[tawdry vessel]

i appreciate this

[jolly junco]

Which group copying him? Sorry i dont listen to any of kpop group except newjeans so dont know anything about this

[wind monolith]

enhypen (which is under belift)

[jolly junco]

Ohhh…

Atp everything that came out under bethief will be considered plagiarism

[wind monolith]

-tt https://www.tiktok.com/@kellysweeney1/video/7332710793751973166?_t=8rUIqfV8Kk4&_r=1

[waxen musk]

I regret bringing this up because it's kind of off topic but whatever it still related to the case with NewJeans but yeah there's been a plagarism pattern with Belift with both their groups, since the start of 2024 at least (maybe longer who knows)! CRAZY

[cosmic bison]

https://youtu.be/e8ESeEfVFFA?si=jyR50z9wvhK8eCS-

[waxen musk]

D WORD

[leaden pawn]

[hoary frost]

lol not just belift tho bsh and his lapdogs have been like that even before bts iykyk

[waxen musk]

idk

[jolly junco]

bruh i just watch this from part 1 to part 4 crazy how its not plagiarism but its a complete ripped off from the ogirinal music like wtf? how could you do that? i'm really speechless

[waxen musk]

It's not even questionable, it's like 90% the same.

[young wyvern]

what is belift doing 😭

[lucid yarrow]

i feel so bad for the idols belift cutting corners or just not caring?

[jolly junco]

did they think they wouldnt get caught? i admire their confident through out this whole mess 😭

[waxen musk]

I mean that song thing was in January, the dancing thing was in the first half of the year, nothing's happened to them so far so I think they do think they can get away with everything.

[jolly junco]

even as an amateur i know its a complete ripped off from the original song 💀

[hoary frost]

which song

[jolly junco]

before i watch the video i thought its just gonna be a bit different and have a small part they copied, but imagine my shock when i heard both songs

[lucid yarrow]

maybe they prob settle everything so it won't get reported if it been that long or is this new

[jolly junco]

mobius - choke vs ENHYPEN - idk the song name

the creator of mobius - choke called out bethief from stealing his copyrighted song

[hoary frost]

never knew who enhypen is but are they also under belift?

[wind monolith]

yes

[jolly junco]

according to this, yes

[hoary frost]

man

[jolly junco]

watch the part 1 of his tiktok calling out bethief

its a jaw dropping comparison

[hoary frost]

also can u guys educate me more about mhjs case. ive seen twitter ruthlessly tore her apart for her scandals and i want to know more about what really happen

[jolly junco]

which case

[hoary frost]

the alleged p3do case

ive seen ppl call her a p3do and all kinds of other names

[jolly junco]

i need to dig out ramjjang post about that

[jolly junco]

only from international part of kpop fans, the kfans didnt argue anything about this

which should tell you much that people misinterpret everything about her

[hoary frost]

ooo

the only p3do case i remember is the one about 'cookie'

the lyrics with the double meaning

[arctic swan]

When Reddit talks about Rosé’s positive response to NewJeans, it’s so obvious how HYBE stans downvote any supportive or reasonable comments. It just shows how toxic and hostile Reddit can be, especially in fandom spaces

[hoary frost]

shoutout to the blinks

[jolly junco]

oh about this

before we dive deep into that, can i ask you how old are you?

[hoary frost]

turning 18

[jolly junco]

when you first read the cookie lyrics, did everything about sexual innuendo came into your mind? or were you influenced by what you read on the internet?

[hoary frost]

it didnt come to my mind until i see other ppl talk about it
but i jus wanna say i didnt immediately believe it, i was jus more on the skeptical side

[jolly junco]

when cookie first came out, i was 31 years old. Already on my 6th years of marriage. Never once i thought that cookie lyrics have a different meaning than the actual cookie 🤣 so i dont know if i'm too pure and innocent or the one who spread about those cookie theory have a mission to complete

[arctic swan]

Anyone with a Twitter account, please repost Ramjjang's post 🙏. Let’s help increase her followers and make sure her efforts don’t go to waste!

[wind monolith]

i only found out about the lyrics thing when someone showed me a titkok and i rlly took it with a grain of salt. When i first listened to i just thought it was about cookies and baking😭

it was def just hybe propaganda

[hoary frost]

I dont think Newjeans’ cookie is like that at all, people just want stuff to talk abt

Isnt it just about baking cookies for your crush

[jolly junco]

exactly

its so easy to brainwash people on internet

[wind monolith]

i appreciate u asking the question in a nice way. Recently have had to deal with some ppl. So i want to say thank you for being polite about it.

[waxen musk]

I'm so exhausted with all these things coming back up that have been discussed to death literally years ago, but it needs to be done.
It really goes to show though that there's nothing new to criticise MHJ or NJ with. It's just old stuff resurfacing over and over again. Horrible.

[young wyvern]

no. it clearly has sexual innuendos lol its still a banger tho

[hoary frost]

ofc, i jus wanna know the truth thats all

[ocean arch]

I was uneasy with cookie lyrics when I first heard it because I've seen a movie where they use cookie as an innuendo .took me a while to get over it

[jolly junco]

did you catch it on your first listen or after you read some people argued about it on the internet?

[wind monolith]

https://www.soompi.com/article/1542507wpp/ador-gives-detailed-explanation-following-controversy-over-newjeans-song-cookie

this explains it well its the west who made it sexualized

[young wyvern]

its my favorite newjeans song. lets not pretend it doesnt have double meanings. however, that shouldn't stop you from enjoying it

[arctic swan]

I like the live band version of cookie. The ones they performed in Japan I think

[hoary frost]

reminded me of the time when east asia use cp as 'coupling' and the west thought of smth else

[jolly junco]

i'm not pretending, because i honestly dont see it that way when i first listen to it

[arctic swan]

Doesn't it also translates to burning CDs in Hangul?

[hoary frost]

Not pretending, because it actually does not have the double meaning that the cookie slang intends

[waxen musk]

Did you ever notice how they use "cookie" to mean bonus extra at the end of videos in Korea. Not just NewJeans.

[jolly junco]

but maybe this is cultural difference, like what zar said

[lucid yarrow]

we can't have nice thing with how words are evolving soon no1 can use any word bc it mean some crap

[waxen musk]

To be honest I still think there are people who have issues with Cookie's lyrics regardless of the use of the word Cookie. Just so you know.

[hoary frost]

Its just a misunderstanding and the bash they got from it was undeserved

yeaaa other than that idk why ppl are calling mhj a p3do

[young wyvern]

i mean i guess you could take the lyrics at face value but even thats hard to do because the lyrics insinuate its something more. its like espresso from sabrina carpenter. its not just about coffee lol

[waxen musk]

There's a lot of stuff they say, but if all you're aware of is the cookie issue it's probably better for you to not be aware of the other stuff.

[hoary frost]

wdym

[waxen musk]

Also I believe the official English subtitles for the Cookie MV don't translate exactly as the Korea version of the lyrics directly translated into English. I was always confused about the change in meaning from the official translation to the direct translation.

[waxen musk]

I mean there's more reasons people call MHJ a pedo than just because of Cookie and it's best if you don't know.

[hoary frost]

i wanna know the truth

u can tell me in dm if its too explicit

[waxen musk]

The truth is those allegations have been debunked so it's not worth knowing about them in the first place.

[arctic swan]

Go to ramjjang on twiiter. She has good thread about Mhj ped0 issue

[waxen musk]

Anyway it's fine to have concerns about all this stuff because I certainly did for a long time. I wouldn't care nearly as much about any of this controversial stuff if I didn't care about the girls. But there's been enough to make me more chill about all this stuff over time, even if I'm still cautious and wary of things.
I trust the girls.

I think other people that bring this stuff up and don't research stuff don't care about the girls at all. They just see something awful and spread it out of hate. That really says everything you need to know.

[young wyvern]

does anyone wanna vc?

[hoary frost]

yea the reason why im still so doubtful is because youtube and twitter have completely different opinions on the case

[hoary frost]

sorry but could u send the link to it? i tried to find it and i still couldnt find it

[young wyvern]

you just have to form your own opinion. but. be aware of misinformation

[waxen musk]

The only thing you can do for yourself is to figure out the source of the information. It's REALLY hard, I know. But you should find trusted sources and understand who not to trust. I have NO IDEA how people new to NJ who just scroll through TikTok or whatever are supposed to not encounter all this misinfo. It feels like a losing battle.

[arctic swan]

Its @thegreatgaram

[lucid yarrow]

english twitter is full of bts hybe stans the biggest fandom who dont want anything bad about hybe to affect thier fav bts company....

[hoary frost]

wait till they figure out hybe also badmouth their fav group

[hoary frost]

mhm

[young wyvern]

i know bts has share in hybe but why defend a company over idols...

if hybe closes down tomorrow bts will be more than fine

[hoary frost]

cus whenever ppl insult hybe they always connect bts with hybe since bts is the biggest group i think

like not even a mention of bts but they will still figure a way to bring bts into it

[lucid yarrow]

doesn't matter to them they are prob jealous newjeans get breathe same air/be same building as bts or use thier money to debut so they think they are traitors/brats and own them....

[young wyvern]

army will complain about getting involved in other fandoms mess all time the but they bring themselves in it 😭

they could also just ignore this whole thing. that is an option

[hoary frost]

theres a reason people hate bts and armys so much back then

[hoary frost]

Still now tbh

[scenic crest]

what i hear ROSE love Newjeans is that twear i am looking at sources atm reddit, YT and etc

[hoary frost]

yea she said she only wanna say positive things about newjeans

[scenic crest]

look that big for a BP member to say imo but the support is needed for the NewJeans and ROSE prob know more cause she OCE and they Hanni and Danielle from OCE how tough it be for them and the other members

Aussie AUssie Aussie Oi Oi OI

Anyway alot people dislike hybe anyway

[hoary frost]

hybes been treating some of their groups like shit so im really glad newjeans can stand up and call them out

[rain spade]

if u still want the link https://i-d.co/article/rose-blackpink-interview-2024-rosie-apt-bruno-mars/

[sage pilot]

About belift’s plagiarism/copying. They also stole a font for enhypen’s album without permission and/or crediting

~t https://x.com/pannchoa/status/1794562288378061098?s=46

[narrow seal]

240526 pannchoa Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/pannchoa/status/1794562288378061098
Typographer Margot Leveque calls out Belift Lab and ENHYPEN for stealing her font
https://tinyurl.com/44unr8cn

[upbeat stream]

Are you yui from twitter? Just curious

[sage pilot]

You’re like the 3rd person who’s asking 😂 Yeah I am

[upbeat stream]

oh wow

[sage pilot]

but there’s two of us btw. I’m the Yui with the much smaller account than the other Yui. Just pointing it out so there’s no confusion lol

[upbeat stream]

yeah of course. The other one would have been unlikely

[short laurel]

They've plagiarised choreography since ru next days n nvr acknowledged it.

[wind monolith]

WTF is this comment and profile LMFAOoOOOO

[short laurel]

There are many kpop groups with minors members who have done far worse song than what ppl say about cookie. Ull nvr hear this much drama about those.

[short laurel]

How ppl are defending the company by saying she got paid. Like that changes that bethief 1st did it without giving her credit.

[short laurel]

Who would use female bsh as their pfp.

[upbeat stream]

There wasn't any real motivation. Why would they do it? Their own planning document says to avoid sexualization and targets young women. Makes zero sense to lie in internal documents that you don't intend to ever reveal publicly

[heady gate]

Someone might use BSH as their profile soon.

[wind monolith]

exactly thats y i think it was the west and hybe just pushing that narrative around

[upbeat stream]

Also remember, neither of the lyricists are native English speakers

If you don't watch a lot of American movies and tv, you wouldn't know the slang meaning of cookie

[heady gate]

true. I am not American. I thought the song was about Cookie and I love it.

[upbeat stream]

I learned English through books, sports commentary and youtube, and I didn't see anything wrong on first listen. It's really a niche slang term

[heady gate]

3 months later, I understand what it means

[wind monolith]

i am from canada, i never took the lyrics that way ever

[short laurel]

Even in usa it's niche. Not many know. It was pushed by haters

[hoary frost]

Its a slang, not everyone knows of slangs

lol yall don’t lie to urself cookie is put in the debut album to see how far they can push it there’s a reason for 3 title tracks they are tryna see the range of their audience look i support MHJ but thats not it i think its the pressure to do well in their debut cuz sexy stuff do well in the industry

[upbeat stream]

Then why lie in planning documents?

And typically when a song has innuendos, it's performed suggestively. Cookie isn't

Like compare blackpink's Ice Cream MV to Cookie

[short laurel]

Disagree. Everyone worldwide took cookie as cookie song. It was only west who were pushing hard that it's like that.
Though it's true that alot of groups push concept like this but why they nvr got questioned the save way cookie was? Those groups have minors too

Ppl should question kpop for this. Nit just nj cookie

[upbeat stream]

Just look at melon comments. Koreans take lyrics very seriously, they attacked girls on top. They almost cancelled my other fav, IU.

[hoary frost]

i don’t think its a lie like i said the song itself is kinda sus but she did it in a way that wont put njs at risk and she’s smart for that

[upbeat stream]

Yet Cookie wasn't all that controvesial. In fact, if I remember right most of them were upset that foreigners were taking it the wrong way

[hoary frost]

lol i didn’t say other groups don’t do that and you already know why other fans made it a big deal its bcuz its newjeans

[upbeat stream]

Now that I think about it, it's a strange coincidence that my two favorite artists have both had massive lyrics controversy lol

[short laurel]

Yea n that's what makes me mad about this drama. Hypocrisy of fans

[hoary frost]

tbh i like cookie i thinks it one of their best produced song sonically but i kinda get why it didn’t blew up

[upbeat stream]

Yeah the production is amazing

[heady gate]

The dance chronograph is great, it was eye-opening to me. "Dance not in sync by as one body"

wait the min, why are we talking about Cookie in this sub?

[rose trench]

ITT: 99% not related to MHJ vs HYBE updates

[heady gate]

Time to lock this sub.

[upbeat stream]

No please...

[wind monolith]

It was cuz someone asked about mhj and the allegations against her

And this was a rzn they brought up

[hoary frost]

SIGHHHHH nothing new hybe nothing new

[wind monolith]

So technically we r still talking relatively about the topic 🤗😂

[short laurel]

What are koreans comments on this?

[hoary frost]

cant find any koreans commenting on this but a lot of ppl are pissed that hybe is using other artists as their shield

[short laurel]

Koreans comments are always in the pannchao article. Translated by pannchao

[high totem]

yeah just remember pannchoa isnt very reliable

[short laurel]

No English kpop site is reliable.

[upbeat stream]

just click on the original link. The main problem with Pannchoa is that they can be selective with their comment choice

[hoary frost]

can u guys gimme reliable twt accs?

[upbeat stream]

Google translate is good enough to get a general idea though, just check like 10-20 comments

[upbeat stream]

for translations, juantokki and cato_o_o and newjeans news

[heady gate]

how about 1tokki?

[upbeat stream]

that's juan