NJZ Updates and Discussion

[split bramble]

how sweet was already that

[modern fog]

add the source

[twin cypress]

I mean like one more direct like “they tried to imitate but there’s only one of us” type song

[heady gate]

I just logon X today and wow.

[white arch]

NewJeans is going to become OldJeans (future band from them )

[stiff prairie]

So did hybe release any statements besides the one that said they didn't receive anything?

[heady gate]

Hybe said they will do better.

[stiff prairie]

They did? Do you have a link?

[jolly junco]

nothing so far

[sonic meadow]

Yeah they are purposely doing this I can feel it

[stiff prairie]

Last time they were notified they didn't address anything until the final day iirc

It's gon be the same this time too ig

[heady gate]

I searched NJ on Google and it was ....

[stiff prairie]

Yeah so nothing really out of hybe. Bet they won't stop media playing in the meantime tho

[jolly junco]

I guess they are still trying to negotiate with newjeans behind the scene

[stiff prairie]

any normal and sane company would do that. but it's hybe so I'm not sure

[arctic swan]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/kpop_uncensored/s/eBUgntO2g7

[stiff prairie]

I'm afraid if I click on it I'll be overwhelmed by braindead comments

[arctic swan]

People are saying that they are doing this for MHJ. OP did not post the 6 lists of demands for correction by newjeans where mhj wasnt even mentioned

[stiff prairie]

i have a dream. one day reddit kpop space will be free of idiot hybe stans

[jolly junco]

ADOR has sent their respond today

"Hello, this is ADOR.

First and foremost, the legal notice was formally received by the agency this morning, and we are currently reviewing the contents while considering the requests outlined. We will do our best to resolve the issues wisely and continue our relationship with the artists.

Second, in response to inquires about the involvement of an external investor company, we would like to once again remind you that Min Hee Jin has firmly denied all rumors of her meeting with external investors and of the involvement of the family members of NewJeans as false."

[stiff prairie]

I get the first part. A load of nothing burger

But what's up w the second part? What's the point of bringing up what mhj said about external investors and newjeans' family?

[jolly junco]

i just hope ADOR wont resolve all the demand and the 5 of them will just pursue to terminate the contract

Get away from HYBE as soon as they can

[stiff prairie]

Me too. They might half ass some of the girls claim just so they can't go through with the lawsuit

[red thorn]

Is that translation or official eng because the wording is different
Also, regarding the inquiries regarding the listed company, whether it is related to the relatives of the New Jeans members, and whether Director Min Hee-jin met with the company in question, Director Min has once again stated that it is "groundless."

[stiff prairie]

I mean this sounds like smth mhj's side would say not newdor

[wind monolith]

fraudor*

[red thorn]

Groundless with apostrophe definitely something fakedor would emphasize

[stiff prairie]

Ahh I missed that. Since they know they're likely losing the suit so their play might be "hey look they were looking for an out together w mhj from the beginning." Kinda expected they're going to make it a situation where even if the girls do get out they'd have all sorts of false claims surrounding them

[unborn jewel]

yeah pretty much the entire comment section

[cerulean lake]

reddit’s been brain dead since this whole situation started

it’s honestly better to go to pannchoa even if there are trolls bc how are people there more reasonable 😂

was like a reddit user before this but this whole thing threw me off

[short laurel]

Pannchoa is surprisingly the most decent place on this topic. Better than twitter n tiktok n ig even. But just on this topic.

Kpop reddit has always been a messed up place. Even be4 this drama.

[arctic swan]

So now they have published a statement and brought some rumors that they themselves spread. They made up a rumor about davolink investor which is a company selling routers 😆

[simple knot]

Who is izna

Is that newjeans hybe wannabe

[hushed whale]

oh god its real lol
i thought ppl were trolling lmao

[jolly junco]

who are they??

its blatant plagiarism they have the nerves

[simple knot]

Did some research it's a new group debuting in 2 weeks

[hushed whale]

Yeah new group, their company insane for this

[simple knot]

They're not related to hybe though

Are they really that unoriginal to blatantly copy like that?

[short laurel]

Not just copy anyone but the group who are very publicly fighting against this.

[flint stone]

Not again

[short laurel]

Guess there are lot more bad publicity is still publicity kinda people

[flint stone]

From what company is izna? I watched the show but I don't know which company has them

[hushed whale]

wakeone

[cerulean lake]

wake one and black label produces their music i think

[red thorn]

Is this Teddy's produced gg outside his label,right
Awfully similar element
But personally I really couldn't care less if outside hybe labels copy nj

[cerulean lake]

same company as zb1 and kepler? i think?

[hushed whale]

yeah lot of songs in this debut album produced by teddy

[flint stone]

Is this a big company? Can we do anything to them by writing lots of emails to them or something?

[cerulean lake]

i mean i’ll be honest there’s definitely gonna be other groups and companies wanting to follow the trend. so many ppl think that newjeans didn’t birth 5th gen but let’s be real after they debuted so many groups came out with that fresh, friend vibe concept

it’s just natural atp just like how everyone did girl crush after blackpink

[wind monolith]

if their music is different idc as much belift was different it was one to one copy basically

[hushed whale]

they kinda in between ig, not small company

[cerulean lake]

BUT it’s a big problem when the company they’re under is deliberately trying to lower their relevance when they know the market is already saturated

[short laurel]

Zb1 started the "5th gen" so can't call them small.

But yea why is nj not considered starting 5th gen

[cerulean lake]

yes i wouldn’t call wakeone small especially with black label contributing

[cerulean lake]

idk i see people saying they’re part of 5th gen instead of 4th

[steel depot]

tf 🤦‍♂️

[cerulean lake]

either generation in it’s not hard to deny that they shifted trends in the industry

even if i wasn’t a fan i would’ve recognized that and give credit where it’s due

[gleaming scarab]

did someone already post the new team bunnies statement

[short laurel]

From the defination of gen ppl gave. It make sense that nj started gen 5 with setting a new tread

[cerulean lake]

the new AI thing they have? or is it abt smth else

[gleaming scarab]

the thing they sent 1 hr ago

[cerulean lake]

oh uhh not sure

[red thorn]

The kpop landscape changed after NJ syndrome

[cerulean lake]

i hope team bunnies has a lot of evidence of things in case more mediaplay occurs

[cerulean lake]

yes now you see more of chilled relaxed songs, more of a carefree friend vibe

[flint stone]

https://x.com/juantokki/status/1856946774927446451?t=LQpuwsAmhJQAEl-3ppyrBw&s=19

1tokki (@juantokki) on X

Hello, this is Team Bunnies.

Here’s an update on the legal proceedings. After thoroughly reviewing numerous malicious posts and comments that many of you have submitted before and after the reporting site opened, we have forwarded them to a law firm to proceed with the formal

Twitter · Nov 14, 2024, 6:26 AM

[harsh dove]

:warning: Tweet with id 1856946774927446451 does not contain any media!

[cerulean lake]

similar to their debut era styles where everyone praised them for having being like a friend group

[flint stone]

It's basically copy and paste, just little different colors. I think we should do something, but it's hard to do something without others to start attacking them 😕

[wind monolith]

We will just have another fandom after us😭

Dealing with 3 already is a headache

[hushed whale]

kpop stans will drag them and then ppl will blame tokkis

[flint stone]

Is team bunnies already powerful enough to do something behind the scenes?

[wind monolith]

I realistically think there is no point in doing anything, belift was a different case their plagarism was dragging newjeans cuz they were in the same company. This is a copy paste album but like what makes newjeans is their music and members which no one can copy. They can try but they will never be able to and we saw this with belift their recent comeback was not as good.

[jolly junco]

"izna (이즈나) is an upcoming seven-member South Korean girl group under WAKEONE Entertainment, produced by The Black Label. The group was formed through the survival show “I-LAND2 : N/a” and are set to debut on NOVEMBER 25"

I thought I-LAND was affliated to HYBE?

[red thorn]

What a funny anagram name for a group

[short laurel]

Mnet.

I-land 1 was sooooo messed up.

[short laurel]

Just ignore. Alot Of kpop is copy pasta, best to not deal with the headache when it doesn't really affect nj n Tokkies

[jolly junco]

😂 but this is my first time seen a copy pasta blatanly like this

[steel depot]

Imagine being a legend so other people copy you. NewJeans is the Queen group.

[red thorn]

Creative mind does reverse engineering on stuff/references/things they want to copy
Cheap mind just copy someone's homework

[jolly junco]

i actually really dont care about other kpop groups, because i LITERALLY dont listen to them dont follow any news about them

i just found it funny they have the confidence to do this

[short laurel]

Hybe sm kakao n others have alot more blatant copy pasta from domestic n intl artists of various fields. They pay fines for these all the time. News usually get buried.

Difference with newjeans case is they do it from outsiders. Belift did it within the same label.

N the way kpop is going. Some artists n fans actually wish companies to copy from actual good artists to get good product out.

[red thorn]

Bsh wished mhj take Billie Ellis as 'inspiration' for girl group

[neon igloo]

first illite, now izna, when will k-pop groups stop copying NewJeans? I'll just hope members don't see this

[simple knot]

I thought that was meovv

[red thorn]

Meovv is under blacklabel

Speaking of meovv I'd argue they're follow nj model on some aspect

[split bramble]

NJ said keep our families name outta your mouths

Ador less than 24 hrs later mentions their family

[split bramble]

reddit is a dead space these days, subs frequented by teens are incel land, subs supposedly for adults are heavily censored by zionists to bury their genocides

[flint stone]

Did they? Where?

[arctic swan]

https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSjfr19vB/

[heady gate]

Here is the relationship between NJ, Hybe Corp, Consumers and the brand collaboration companies

[split bramble]

on the letter they sent yesterday they said they will take action if their family are brought into their mediaplay games again

MHJ have exercised her put option

[heady gate]

I am assuming this is the beginning of season 3? Season 1, Hybe sued MHJ of breach of trust. Season 2, MHJ got fired.

[short laurel]

season 3 end with MHJ case dismissal. this is season 4

[short laurel]

source to this ?

[split bramble]

~t https://x.com/juantokki/status/1856970044456276305

[narrow seal]

241114 juantokki Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/juantokki/status/1856970044456276305
Min Hee-jin Notifies HYBE of Put Option Exercise in Early November, Worth Approx. 26 Billion KRW
https://www.yna.co.kr/reporter/index?id=31383839393837&site=article_writer
Yonhap News Reporter Lee Tae-soo

Interest grows in the timing and background of the decision... Close associates notify on the same day. Last month, Min

[short laurel]

cool.

[fierce cloak]

really confused why she execise her option now
either low of money, but why after NJ announce possiblity of terminate contract
shouldnt it lower the stock value, or hybe wouldnt buy back 5% and she will stuck with them?

i hope someone have expertise can explain this

[valid sierra]

rich af

[fierce cloak]

that's about 18 million usd, reduced a lot from the amount she supposed to get 70m

hybe always try to reduce her stock value to 2-3m, or worth nothing
it's tricky

[sonic meadow]

The amount of armys hating on them 💀

[heady gate]

26 Billion KRW = 18.5 million USD = 17.5 million Euro

[hushed whale]

By notifying HYBE in early November, the calculation for Min's payout is based on ADOR’s operating profits in 2022-2023. During this period, ADOR posted an operating loss of 4 billion KRW in 2022 and an operating profit of 33.5 billion KRW in 2023. The 2022 loss is attributed to NewJeans, ADOR's only artist, debuting in July of that year, leading to a deficit.

Had Min exercised the option next year, shifting the calculation period to 2023-2024, it is speculated that she might have received a larger payout.

[fierce cloak]

they arent matter, ignore them
the more noise they make, the more relevant NJ is

[flint stone]

I know that part, where frador mentioned their family

[sonic meadow]

Armys in general are 💀

[fierce cloak]

oh...

[sonic meadow]

I feel bad for bts having toxic armys like this

[stiff prairie]

why did it go down?

[short laurel]

wasn't there some contract restriction that didn't allowed her to do it be4 november ?

[stiff prairie]

I'm sure hybe stock value didn't drop this much

[hushed whale]

yeah more money if she wait ig, but she prob cant wait lol

[fierce cloak]

yeah she cant sell her house now, it's shitty situation

[heady gate]

Are u asking why Hybe stock didn't go down?

[split bramble]

#1231839760759263232 message

[narrow seal]

Message linked

message posted on <t:1731562428:f>

from vous.mevoyez

"Hello, this is ADOR.

First and foremost, the legal notice was formally received by the agency this morning, and we are currently reviewing the contents while considering the requests outlined. We will do our best to resolve the issues wisely and continue our relationship with the artists.

Second, in response to inquires about the involvement of an external investor company, we would like to once again remind you that Min Hee Jin has firmly denied all rumors of her meeting with external investors and of the involvement of the family members of NewJeans as false."

[Jump to message](#1231839760759263232 message)

[jolly junco]

Wow Daepyonim on the move too, good job

Team OG ADOR are all exercise their put option together at the same time

This will surely hurt HYBE

[split bramble]

def planned with NJ giving their 2 weeks notice too

[short laurel]

everyone being in this together gives us hope of them redebuting together again.

[stiff prairie]

no. why'd mhj's put option value go down

[split bramble]

next the brands associated with NJ gonna sue hybe

[jolly junco]

Good for them. They need to work together if they want to win against a giant conglomerate

[sonic meadow]

Did HYBE/ADOR respond to anything yet

[jolly junco]

Check pinned messages

[fierce cloak]

honesty i hope mhj can get her 18m usd
she created NJ innitial success with 11m
she can easily make them even more successful with less money as they already have skills, foundation and reputation

[short laurel]

actually @modern fog ador reply from today isn't pinned.

[vague shore]

If the report is true, MHJ sacrificed nearly 80 billion won to secure 2 months for NewJeans. Now, it seems like breaking away from HYBE is happening and it's moving really fast.

[short laurel]

is isn't right word there??? ;-;

[modern fog]

source

[jolly junco]

Yeah they dont need to start BIG, they can start small and getting bigger with time

[sonic meadow]

Can we go back to omg era where everything was peace and quiet

[split bramble]

I have another theory, MHJ realises that hybe gonna cook the books and show ador lost revenue this year, so just getting ahead of the curve and trying to get out with what she can

[heady gate]

Hybe management wasn't peaceful since NJ debuted.

[fierce cloak]

she also doesnt need external investment too
everyone works for NJ and MHJ are loyal to them, so she can easily assemble the team again

[valid sierra]

i hope they just create their own agency, so no more issues like this

[sonic meadow]

ik but I do know for sure it wasn’t this bad

[split bramble]

~t https://x.com/kkokkoheehee/status/1856975889914876373

[narrow seal]

241114 kkokkoheehee Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/kkokkoheehee/status/1856975889914876373
어도어의 2024년 1~3분기
매출액은 900억
순이익은 210억

자료들 보니까 갑자기 ㅈㄹ 열받네

[modern fog]

they always post updates when I'm eeping.

[fierce cloak]

true, they got tokyo dome greatly, but fakedor transfered nj money to game company so it could be a lost

[modern fog]

smh.

[cinder verge]

can someone simplify what just happene

[split bramble]

so much money embezzled already

[cinder verge]

what are put options

[vague shore]

That really could be the case, not to mention the 2 months the NewJeans members suffering in HYBE’s dungeon

[fierce cloak]

but like, hybe can refuse to buy back 5% of mhj and trap her here, coz they know she wanna get NJ out of ador soon
this gonna be super messy

[short laurel]

behind the scenes NJ said alot of weird situation happened sicne debut. MHJ has or had(idk grammar) been protecting them. so it was still messedup.

[split bramble]

time is money, get your freedom asap before public forgets about you

[fierce cloak]

shouldnt MHJ sell her stock, be free, then NJ terminate contract
it's so odd

[heady gate]

MHJ put option exercised 18% of Ador.

[split bramble]

all of this takes time

[short laurel]

calculation is 2022-2023 so doesn't matter.

[heady gate]

Korea stock market is already closed

[fierce cloak]

why? Her contract still have 5% bound her?

[vague shore]

ADOR is not publicly traded stock

[short laurel]

we don't know. all we have is she selling all 18%

[stiff prairie]

wait is it 5 or 18%?

[heady gate]

18%

[cinder verge]

why is mhj doing this

[sonic meadow]

Hybe alr losing stocks cute

[hoary frost]

guys😭

[fierce cloak]

she own 20%, gave 2% to some of the staff
she now own 18%, but within that there is 5% she must sell back to Hybe, if they refuse, she being bound by their contract and cannot work anywhere else, it's a slave contract

[hoary frost]

can someone please explain me the whole newjeans situation😭 ?
https://www.instagram.com/p/DCVH2EtNJ60/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
I saw this Instagram post and i am really worried. There is just too much in this drama for me to comprehend but I think its important to understand now considering the situation

[fierce cloak]

im not fully understand?

[heady gate]

I think she is leaving and not coming back to Hybe.

NJ and MHJ planned together

[short laurel]

read past few pins.

[heady gate]

The count can't resume her CEO position. There is no reason for her to stay.

[stiff prairie]

ok so the 18.5M usd is for 5% and not the whole 18%?

[lilac orchid]

can someone explain me the lore in Valorant terms? Thank u

[hushed whale]

nj did well last quarter

[cinder verge]

no one do this 🙏

[lilac orchid]

why😔

[short laurel]

not valorant but simple terms. Hybe and hybe controlled ador = evil.
NJ MHJ and old ador staff = victims fighting against evil trying to get out.

[cinder verge]

if newjeans and mhj leave hybe i hope they can keep all music, name, and concept

[lilac orchid]

I thought MHJ was evil too

[wind monolith]

😭

[sweet pebble]

they will probably

[short laurel]

nope. everything bad u heard about MHJ is misinformation'

[wind monolith]

Im hopping off discord 🫡

[lilac orchid]

yea can’t they just be independent grp apart from Hybe or Adore

[lilac orchid]

is that so

[short laurel]

they are fighting to be just that.

[cinder verge]

yeah idk if they can keep "NewJeans" tho

[lilac orchid]

Old Jeans LESGOOO

[short laurel]

infact everything MHJ was blamed for by hybe, media and hybe stans, turns out hybe is guilty of them all and not MHJ.

[lilac orchid]

is MHJ manager of Newjeans?!

[short laurel]

producer.

[cinder verge]

ex ceo

[stiff prairie]

ex ceo

[lilac orchid]

WTFFF

[fierce cloak]

for the whole 18%

[steel depot]

Vintage Jeans let's go

[lilac orchid]

shes not their producer😭 ik that much

[heady gate]

She is a creator of Ador and NJ

[cinder verge]

she is their producer

[short laurel]

she is part of directign and producing NJ. her official role in ador was ceo.

[lilac orchid]

“Once Upon a Time Jeans”

[stiff prairie]

yeah i was asking about that cause i'm sure i heard before it was suppposed to be 70~80M?

[lilac orchid]

Wdym creator, did she scout and pick up the whole new jeans?

[short laurel]

yes.

[stiff prairie]

yes

[steel depot]

she even created HYBE catch phrase too

[fierce cloak]

yeah because the 70m value based on potential earning of ador/ nj
while 18m evaluation i think only based on the past 2022-2023

[heady gate]

MHJ created Hybe Logo

[lilac orchid]

SO MHJ MADE NEW JEANS?!

[short laurel]

entire Ador and even somu audition were her program that hybe messedup

[fierce cloak]

yes, from scratch

[stiff prairie]

also everything related to them goes through her like the music, visuals, concept, branding, appearences etc

[lilac orchid]

NO WAY I THOUGHT MHJ WAS EVIL SORRY MHJ😭😭😭😭

[fierce cloak]

MHJ is literally the mother, the creator, the protector of NJ

[heady gate]

MHJ is NJ's mom at work

[valid sierra]

NewJeans really bout to disband before even releasing a full album

[lilac orchid]

there are so many lie’s circulating on twitter

[cinder verge]

because of hybe's media play

[heady gate]

delete Twitter

[stiff prairie]

kay i geddit now

[steel depot]

stay away from that toxic environment

[short laurel]

all this we siad might sound like too much but there's proof of all this admitted by hybe itself in media when hybe started.

[fierce cloak]

Oh she did notify them earlier of the month, before NJ announce of potential terminate contract
https://x.com/CakeDegg/status/1856972208721334386

Cake🍀 (@CakeDegg) on X

[Min Hee-jin notified HYBE of the exercise of her put option earlier this month, amounting to approximately 26 billion KRW]
According to the music industry on the 14th, former CEO Min notified HYBE of the exercise of her put option earlier this month. Under the shareholder

Twitter · Nov 14, 2024, 8:07 AM

[cinder verge]

Honestly i cant imagine calling newjeans anything but newjeans

[lilac orchid]

So basically, HYPE and Adore is mistreating NWJNS and MHJ?

[sweet pebble]

fr even though we made fun of it before

[steel depot]

hybe won't get a good xmas and newyear bwahahha

[fierce cloak]

dont worry
if NJ and MHJ able to reunite
MHJ will able to rebrand NJ just fine, she's the master in branding

[cinder verge]

yea exactly

[cinder verge]

u right

[sonic meadow]

This year was alr bad for them 2025 is gonna be worse

[sweet pebble]

yuh mhj created the songs i think

[lilac orchid]

I understand it now, thank u

[stiff prairie]

the non compete clause will be an issue tho

[short laurel]

no that's BANA

[cinder verge]

you are not lethal shooter

[fierce cloak]

no she create visual aspects, she isnt a musician
But NJ songs made by MHJ's close friends

[hoary frost]

these top executives really tryna make the kpop industry like the gaming industry bunch of bootlegs yall seen that new gg album

[heady gate]

I am glad MHJ exercised her put options. b/c South Korea banned short selling since Nov. Hybe stock is up 8.36% in 2 weeks.

[steel depot]

they were talking about it earlier

[lilac orchid]

“Im not playing w yall”😭

[fierce cloak]

yup that's what im concerning coz hybe can either dismiss the contract, so mhj can be free but have no money
or they give her money, but keep 5% so they can bound her

the thing is hybe doesnt have cash, and already announced they dismiss the contract, despite it still in effect
so i think this is most likely their choice - let mhj go but wont give her a dime

[cinder verge]

what this mean

[stiff prairie]

like she can't work for any other agencies for a while

[cinder verge]

huh, how long is a while

[hoary frost]

and its not from a nugu company too like all that talent and star power wasted by their lazy creative team

[bronze jetty]

can she not make her own? i wonder if making her own is a loophole

[lilac orchid]

which group of HYBE is the biggest atm?!

[short laurel]

if hybe dismiss the contract then there should be no restriction on MHJ on this.

[stiff prairie]

that i don't know. usually it's 2-5 yrs but saw somewhere it's lifetime which don't make no sense

[sweet pebble]

le sse prob

[lilac orchid]

nahh

[steel depot]

why do they have to move from another agency when they can create their own is that still in the contract?

[short laurel]

Hybe biggest active group after BTS is SVT who will be entering militry soon.

[lucid yarrow]

maybe they hire same ppl who work in ador again like riize or not

[sweet pebble]

newjeans if they weren't sabotaged

[lilac orchid]

isnt BTS under HYBE?!

[sonic meadow]

I think BTS

[stiff prairie]

ig creating anything besides ador would count as new agency

[steel depot]

nah .. it's bts and svt

[cinder verge]

tf, so mhj cant reunite with newjeans da fuq

[short laurel]

BTS in militry so as group they inactive.

[lilac orchid]

yeaa

[sweet pebble]

oh i only know girl groups lmao

[short laurel]

in gg NJ is hybe's biggest

[cinder verge]

biggest gg is newjeans even with hybe on some hating shi

[sonic meadow]

I think newjeans is biggest

[stiff prairie]

that's why hybe breached contract should come into play if it's proved in court

[lilac orchid]

Damn bro HYBE literally got biggest grps under them prolly thats why they dont care abt nwjns

[steel depot]

maybe she can't be employed by another agency but doesn't mean she can't register a business

[lilac orchid]

really

[steel depot]

anyway... wtf is that kind of contract...

[sweet pebble]

fr

[fierce cloak]

technically if mhj contract got dismissed, she get no money, but be free, then she can still seek external investors
or NJ members funding themselves
however NJ also bound by contract, and terminate fight gonna cost a bunch
even if each NJ members' has ~3m usd in cash, it still very costly to fight in court

[cinder verge]

ok, and mhj and newjeans would not be doing all this if there wasn't very strong, substantial evidence for hybe breaching contract, right?

[short laurel]

there's tension with BTS too. they mihgt not renew after militry. even be4 this some members only renewed cuz of peer pressure

[stiff prairie]

they don't care about nwjns because it wasn't them who created and made it a success but it was mhj's credits

[lilac orchid]

damn

[steel depot]

if mhj can't register her own business/agency then our girls is the next option... the important thing is mhj to guide them...

[lilac orchid]

the kpop industry is so terrible

[cinder verge]

wym our girls

[short laurel]

deep down this drama is ego of bang vs mhj really.

[fierce cloak]

yeah the worst one is hybe, literally destroying art and kpop

[steel depot]

our girls - newjeans put up their own company

[steel depot]

that's the root of it all

[cinder verge]

bro how sure are yall about saying mhj cant make her own agency, bc I feel like if it was cooked for her she wouldn't be doing all this

[sweet pebble]

damn they want ador gone

[steel depot]

because if it's in her contract with hybe

[short laurel]

we don't know full contract details. but if hybe claims the contract is invalid then MHJ is free to do whatever. but she gets no money.

[steel depot]

we're still on the 'if' with mhj contract

[sweet pebble]

i think money is not a problem here cz most of the brands will probably invest in em

[short laurel]

but if MHJ claim that shareholder contract is valid proven in court then it'll depend on contract if she can do work in industry or not for next few years.

[cinder verge]

so no NJ1 for like a year basically is what im getting 😭

[short laurel]

it'll be new name of group album 1

[stiff prairie]

life would be so simple if they just said we'll change the concept for next comeback when mhj raised plagiarism issue internally. illit could have a different branding to nj, hybe would take money from both groups and get richer, fans of both groups could be happy with what they get etc

[steel depot]

ikr... this is simple and win win situation if it wasn't for someone's ego getting hurt for no reason

[hoary frost]

lol i don’t think that really matters to them hybe is set on sabotaging NJs

[sweet pebble]

yh hybe has bad reputation now

[stiff prairie]

Any update on the NA issue?

[heady gate]

none

[hoary frost]

tbh i think they already stop pushing illit belift is bsh scapegoat especially when katseye is giving him that western validation he always craves

[short laurel]

is it though? i barely hear about them outside kpop circle.

[fierce cloak]

i saw an information (dunno how legit it was) that illit recent cb got inspired from f(x) Rum Pum Pum Pum
which is super irony coz f(x) Pink Tape/ RPPP is the most popular and legendary work by MHJ lol

[short laurel]

members said something about f(x) proving this lol

[primal zinc]

Can I just bomb hybe?

[steel depot]

bsh gg can't keep their mouth shut

he's so obsessed with sm

[fierce cloak]

he obsessed with mhj

[steel depot]

that too

[primal zinc]

He's obessed with all the powerful ggs and bgs

[hoary frost]

lol mhj has always been in the mood board since 2nd gen i think i read somewhere that industry insiders already views Mhj like the second coming of christ when it comes to gg even way before NJs debut

[short laurel]

hybe marketed LSFM as MHJ group be4 debut. MHJ name has always been big in kpop

[fierce cloak]

fr tho, MHJ literally created the standard in kpop
from concepts, album design, photocard
she's just the Creator
bsh and hybe are just thieves

[short laurel]

meanwhile BSH debuted with complete copy of western song in korean

[heady gate]

She created the NJ light stick too

[heady gate]

really? give me some examples

[short laurel]

and she takes so much input from members and staff for the designs.

[sage pilot]

MHJ was right. If the bigger company, Hybe, is doing plagiarism, the smaller companies will too. Hybe will destroy kpop

[short laurel]

give me sometime i forogt the song name so will tkae a bit

[lucid yarrow]

soon its ai just stealing from all of time

[sage pilot]

~t https://x.com/tokkiga/status/1856971064040980788?s=46

[narrow seal]

241114 tokkiga Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/tokkiga/status/1856971064040980788
@nwjns1st Apparently their director is the same as the one who directed lit’s lucky girl syndrome

[fierce cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/pfft-water-spit-lol-gif-14367879

[lilac orchid]

I just read that MHJ attempted to seize full control of ADORE and thats why HYBE resigned her out of CEO?!

[heady gate]

1 person works for 2 companies.

[fierce cloak]

hybe was lying all the time

[hoary frost]

lol ur a little late buddy

[lilac orchid]

uh yea

[lucid yarrow]

its just an excuse hybe needed money to pay the rent bc they fail to buy sm last year

[heady gate]

Hybe said, MHJ was meeting investors to seize full control of Ador. She only had 20% of Ador, there is no way to seize control

[lilac orchid]

I see

[steel depot]

goddammm i was looking forward to stan but ig not after seeing this

[hushed whale]

this just mv director i think

[orchid field]

absolutely fake news lol

[lucid yarrow]

doesn't matter if u like its fine no hating who cares anymore and i feel like post like those just trigger more fanwars

[heady gate]

I have not seeing any Hype media play since NA

[short laurel]

giving attention to this will do exactly what the company intended. noise marketing. best to ignore.

[fierce cloak]

i guess they would 'apologize' and make a new design for it lol

[hoary frost]

i really feel bad bcuz is so unnecessary izna already got the potential and their creative team is ruining it

[lucid yarrow]

so we got NJ3 now?

[sage pilot]

Also, I thought MHJ was waiting for the main lawsuit about the shareholder agreement to come to conclusion before exercising her put option. I wonder what’s changed?

[hoary frost]

i think she tryna speed things up the non compete clause is directly tied to her shares

[vague shore]

She sacrificed a lot, and both she and NJ want to get out of HYBE as quickly as possible

[lucid yarrow]

hybe playing dirty with the employee b lawsuit so she cant sell her house so she got get money from somewhere maybe no clue

[sage pilot]

But can’t Hybe say “we’ve nullified our contract with you so we won’t pay you” like they did before?

[vague shore]

That's not gonna work. They're just delaying things because the main lawsuit will take a long time.

[hoary frost]

the shareholders contract is covered by federal law the thing they terminate is the shareholders agreement

[short laurel]

look up Obvious Love Song - HOMME. it's produced by hitman bang. name he uses in credits. listen to it and you should be able to recognise it.

[steel depot]

i can't find it

[short laurel]

yea i can't find it on youtube anymore but this still exists https://x.com/CakeDegg/status/1793271209016307849

Cake🍀 (@CakeDegg) on X

Bang Si-hyuk, who started his career with plagiarism

Twitter · May 22, 2024, 1:22 PM

[fierce cloak]

the issue is bethief stolen MHJ's blueprint and try to kill NJ and replace them with illit
very different from other groups just copy paste the style

[short laurel]

guiltyarchive was so good but hybe made that account go away

[steel depot]

tf that's 'I'm yours'

correct my title

did he bought the sample?

im yours but sounds like Shinee sang it

[short laurel]

full song was too close to original if iirc. and now so much about it is deleted it's weird that i can't find it or anything related to it. even on bsh's wiki this song is not listed.

[steel depot]

that man really...

[sage pilot]

ooohh ok i got it. Well hybe better open up their dry purse then

[hoary frost]

lol bsh was never a creative lol like have u seen how his brother grew netmarble they copy great games and slaps a big ip with it sounds familiar??

[steel depot]

i think I've seen this before

[short laurel]

netmarble is not respected.

[short laurel]

yea it was shared here back in may. that's why i remember it

[hoary frost]

thats what im sayin lol thats their whole thing i rmbrr when netmarble got in trouble for copying injustice a dc game then attach marvel into it they made everyone who complained sounds like they’re just bitter bcuz marvel is just more popular

[short laurel]

bts world is by netmarble btw xD

we are offtopic but what made netmarble so big. i never heard of any game by them that is big.

[hoary frost]

they got connections most of their games are partnered with big ips mostly animes like 7deadly sins or solo leveling

[short laurel]

ohk

[steep torrent]

https://x.com/izna_offcl/status/1857008175741853809?s=46s=46

izna (@izna_offcl) on X

안녕하세요. 웨이크원입니다.

금일 공개된 izna의 앨범 중 izna Ver. 관련 안내드립니다.

당사는 제기되고 있는 디자인 관련 사안에 대하여 인지하고, 디자인을 전면 교체하기로 하였습니다.

추후 이러한 일이 재발하지 않도록 세심한 주의를 기울이겠습니다.

Twitter · Nov 14, 2024, 10:30 AM

Hello. This is WakeOne.

We would like to inform you about the izna Ver. of the album released by izna today.

We are aware of the design-related issues being raised and have decided to completely replace the design.

We will pay close attention to prevent this from happening again in the future.

[sage pilot]

MHJ is credited on NJ’s music tho. She’s Gigi

~t https://x.com/kumachan982/status/1857011744209617263?s=46

[narrow seal]

241114 kumachan982 Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/kumachan982/status/1857011744209617263
I think this comment well answered why MHJ chose to execute her put option now but not sometime next year.

[frosty echo]

let's not drag other groups pls 🙂

[neon igloo]

Actually, it’s good, they did the right thing

[sweet pebble]

its part of hybe's scheme tho

[cerulean lake]

better than that one company 🤭

[unborn jewel]

the company was actually competent and responded to fan's concerns 🤯
unlike another company we know

[narrow grove]

Is it true that one of the request in Newjeans paper is to reinstate Mhj?

[cosmic belfry]

Yes

[lofty compass]

You guys want Nj leave hybe?

[narrow grove]

I mean I'm just waiting for the outcome but really hoping Hybe doesn't agree with the Mhj request tbh-

[lilac orchid]

do u guys know when will new jeans drop their next music?! Is it getting delayed cuz of the lawsuit

[steel depot]

move to the newjeans chat guys

[steel depot]

of course hybe's environment is toxic and abusive...

[narrow grove]

I just realized no pictures allowed

[steel depot]

what do you mean?

[narrow grove]

I'm waiting for the outcome and I hope Hybe doesn't reinstate Mhj

That's what I meant

I was going to mention why so I don't get jumped but I can't show the proof to it since pictures locked

[steel depot]

the girls wants her

if she doesn't get her position back then the girls are out too

[narrow grove]

I get that but Mhj is actually just dangerous for them, like the girls can love who they want but let's not let Mhj near more trainees

[steel depot]

you are misinformed

[narrow grove]

Do we not remember the posters on her wall of females MINORS in sexualizing meanings and positions...?

I'm saying this as an ||S@|| victim but to be harrased by another female after telling her is horrible

[thick needle]

.

[modern fog]

#1231839760759263232 message

[steel depot]

omg... get a move on from this this is not even related to the issues newjeans is facing rn...

[narrow grove]

Sounds good, hope the girls are safe right now

[steel depot]

whatever the issues from the past pls don't bring it here... we don't side eith mhj or hybe... we side with the artist... since newjeans trust mhj we go there with them... and since hybe is showing us nothing but crap and sabotaging newjeans ig to be on mhj side is not bad. she's protecting them up to point selling her own house.

[steel depot]

this

[narrow grove]

That's good to hear that your siding with the artist and I don't stand with either as well. I just think about this more on a concerned level and worry for the girls.

[steel depot]

they are brave and smart they know more about who mhj and hybe is to know who to trust... pls have faith on them

[narrow grove]

I do to a point, their all very young which most of us are here as well. That's why I'm just waiting for the outcome, whether is career suicide(meaning: risking your career) or they stay with Hybe who toxic as hell. I just hope their okay

[sweet pebble]

their career aint dying if they leave hybe bro

[steel depot]

leaving hybe is not career suicide, it's freedom from hell.

just praying they get their freedom so they can create more music

[steep torrent]

*x -c https://x.com/poppykpoppie/status/1857040007434744311?s=46

[harsh dove]

@PoppyKPoppie <t:1731587814:d>

so we were supposed to get 2 NEW SONGS during halloween...but hybe fucking scrapped the plan... our halloweenjeans should have happened..omgggg
🔗https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/236cfc920c9d2a28201aa0b6b5fc2f2c5a6361c5

[jolly junco]

bruh you're talking like you know her better than Newjeans and their parents, so shut up

[steep torrent]

locked in the vault..

[jolly junco]

newjeans and their parents are capable to chose who they want to trust, they are smart enough to know what is wrong and what is right

[fleet nebula]

its ok, mimi either left or got kicked

[steep torrent]

no changing their mind

[arctic swan]

Why do people on X making up numbers just to prove Newjeans is not mistreated. Obviously his data is wrong without source.
~t
https://x.com/JTKblueberry/status/1856700649888530927?t=8cm2G-O12-bCpmZjoP9cIg&s=19

1-800 (@JTKblueberry) on X

guess who among these K-pop stans claim hybe favors the most?

Twitter · Nov 13, 2024, 2:08 PM

[steel depot]

you said it better thanks

true true

[silk skiff]

we need one of those community notes on these posts

[short laurel]

yup it was noise marketing. those album 100% not even printed.

[short laurel]

lsfm literally got whole NFT thing with them. they've been wearing designer fits since debut and fans called them cheap fits.
all it shows is the team behind lsfm has poor eyes for art. and fans knwos it but instead of blaming hybe and somu, they blame NJ and MHJ.

[arctic swan]

~t
https://x.com/DRoxex96085/status/1846423239125619166?t=DaeX1IYy9B9EEtX7Ytt2Hg&s=19

[narrow seal]

241016 DRoxex96085 Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/DRoxex96085/status/1846423239125619166
@Ot7Oey @meldinaz @rize07addict Accdg to korea news, hybe invested 40B for both NJ and LSFM. If NJ cost to debut is 16B won then LSFM debut cost is 24B won. news channel broadcasters Park Si Dong and Kim Eo Jun have reported that ILLIT received ₩150b won in investments for their debut

[arctic swan]

~t
https://x.com/DRoxex96085/status/1857048086826168721?t=38GZ1zQmExF8zZv3CMUKNg&s=19

[narrow seal]

241114 DRoxex96085 Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/DRoxex96085/status/1857048086826168721
@JTKblueberry Your data was from Lee Jinho and is not reliable. He is the journalist who was reporting pro-blockberry content during Chu stuff, and was on the CEO side for Omega X stuff

[short laurel]

illit investment that big should be cuz of survival show.

nj and lsfm having same amount of investment. NJ gave much more content while lsfm alot of it went to court and public drama probably.

[arctic swan]

Why does sniper spreading fake news that Mhj wanted to transfer to Davo link? His followers are so stupid and lazy check that davo link is a router company. So does he think newjeans is a wireless lan?
~t
https://x.com/Sniper71232/status/1856686448067653683?t=KHSDf5xH6NPCsRCSzFcwMg&s=19

Sniper21 (@Sniper71232) on X

It has been revealed that the executive board of Davo link, where Mhj was previously planning to transfer to, includes Newjeans Hyein's uncle serving as a director.

Twitter · Nov 13, 2024, 1:11 PM

[short laurel]

the person this guy arguing against purposely ignoring the post with proof post and continue arguing lol.

[stiff prairie]

for the love of god stop posting sniper links here please

[short laurel]

sniper and jinjin = ignore them.

[steel depot]

y is this brainrot not even sued yet?

[arctic swan]

The comments are aggravating. I dunno if i should laugh at their stupidity or be angered at them

[steel depot]

yup stop posting anything sniper or jjinjins...

[short laurel]

block everyone in sniper's comment section, then block sniper.

[frosty echo]

Also ignore liabizz 🙂

[short laurel]

lia too. she is on nj side but she spread so much hate.

[arctic swan]

So we just let them spread false rumors?

[short laurel]

they are reported to teamtokki and will be going through trial. they have set up everything for this.
us screaming at them here won't do anything.

[arctic swan]

His lies keep piling up and they are the ones who cause hate against newjeans by spreading misinfo about them

[stiff prairie]

what is sharing it here in a bunnies safe space help achieve

even when ppl ss and quote those tweet they're getting one more interaction than they should get

[arctic swan]

I hope the lawsuit will shut their mouth soon

[stiff prairie]

the ones that are brainded enough to believe him will do so regardless

[short laurel]

yea we know. even little 7's now knows that those accounts are fake after they tried dragging V and jk. they are just in echo chamber. if anyone shared sniper or jinjin post as proof in argument anywhere in kpop, they'll get ignored. every fandom in kpop.

[sleek crest]

holaai fawk

nothing can describe how angry i am with hybe wish it was allowed to call them names

[vapid turret]

Guys I keep on seeing articles about the girls disbanding within two weeks if their demands are not met what’s going on?

GUYS!?!?

[sleek crest]

you shouldn't worry!

[vapid turret]

Why?

I'm just so confused! What does it mean? And why does everything I love or care about always get destroyed!?

[rain spade]

bsh ego

[vapid turret]

WHAT?

[rose trench]

thats about it. they sent it to ador. ador said they received it. wait for more information at this time.

[sleek crest]

they're not completely destroyed, think on the bright side.. at least they're free from the toxic environment.

[young wyvern]

i have a hard time seeing a positive outcome out of this. its cleat they want out of HYBR. would any other label buy out their contract?

or maybe MHJ making her own label and signing them seems likely

[hoary frost]

thanks

[vapid turret]

Everything I love just gets destroyed face it!

[jade jolt]

~t
https://x.com/ddeulgishe/status/1857031679887462561

[narrow seal]

241114 ddeulgishe Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/ddeulgishe/status/1857031679887462561
NewJeans were supposed to release a Korean and Japanese singles during Halloween but it got scrapped because of the hybe dispute

https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/236cfc920c9d2a28201aa0b6b5fc2f2c5a6361c5

[sonic meadow]

Thanks a lot hybe

[sweet pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/vegeta-gif-8018398

[sage pilot]

They will not “disband”. They will be together as a team with MHJ under their own independent label/any other label

[rose trench]

NewestJeans

[sage pilot]

This makes me so freaking mad… Please free us all from Hybe faster

[rain spade]

she doesn't have the no compete clause?

[short laurel]

contract is complicated. only court will tell anything about that.

[thick needle]

@copper current where are you bro

[steel reef]

Following

[hoary frost]

check pinned msgs

@eager cape here

[eager cape]

Here

[hoary frost]

yup yup check pinned msgs

[upper solstice]

[short laurel]

today some tokkies come here questioning MHJ. i wonder where they were getting their news all this time..

[modern fog]

HYBE vs. MHJ Timeline (April 22 - November 14)

https://x.com/yuijeans/status/1857041399750742308

April 2024

April 22, 2024: HYBE audits ADOR

April 25, 2024: MHJ’s first press conference

April 29, 2024: HYBE demands board meeting to fire MHJ as CEO

May 2024

May 3, 2024: HYBE’s response to MHJ’s press conference

May 7, 2024: MHJ files for injunction

May 10, 2024: HYBE’s coercive audit of ADOR’s staff

May 13, 2024: The email from NewJeans’ parents

May 17, 2024: Bang Si-hyuk calls MHJ a “malicious individual”

May 17, 2024: The matter with Naver and Dunamu

May 18, 2024: NewJeans’ petition to support MHJ

May 22, 2024: Belift sues MHJ for defamation, disruption of business

May 30, 2024: MHJ wins injunction

May 31, 2024: MHJ’s second press conference

June 2024

June 5, 2024: HYBE seeks trial records access restrictions

June 10, 2024: Belift releases video denying plagiarism

July 2024

July 9, 2024: NewJeans excluded from “The Grammy Museum”

July 11, 2024: MHJ questioned by the police, glad to tell the truth

July 15, 2024: Source sues MHJ for defamation, disruption of business

July 23, 2024: ADOR disproves “Bubble Gum” plagiarism claim

July 23, 2024: MHJ found a way to track individuals on DC Inside

July 24, 2024: Park Ji-won resigns

July 24, 2024: NewJeans’ parents shared NewJeans stayed in cockroach-infested dorms

July 24, 2024: MHJ sues five HYBE executives

July 25, 2024: MHJ accused of backing a male executive in a sexual harassment case

July 25, 2024: HYBE stocks hit 18-month low after announcement of incoming CEO

August 2024

August 14, 2024: MHJ addresses harassment cover-up allegations

August 27, 2024: MHJ dismissed from CEO position

September 2024

September 11, 2024: NewJeans demands reinstatement of MHJ as CEO in YouTube livestream

September 13, 2024: HYBE to respond to NewJeans ultimatum based on principle

September 13, 2024: MHJ files for reappointment as inside director

September 14, 2024: Jungkook shows support

September 25, 2024: HYBE denies reinstatement but offers producer role to MHJ

September 30, 2024: Hanni chosen to testify at National Assembly

October 2024

October 8, 2024: HYBE denies “ignore Hanni” CCTV deletion

October 8, 2024: Despite not being named, Belift denies bullying allegations

October 11, 2024: Insider reveals HYBE requested NewJeans blueprint in injunction hearing

October 15, 2024: Hanni testifies, “we are all human”

October 17, 2024: ADOR reappoints MHJ as inside director

October 24, 2024: HYBE's “Music Industry Report” scandal

October 29, 2024: Seventeen’s Seungkwan speaks up

October 29, 2024: HYBE CEO apologizes for HYBE’s “Music Industry Report”

October 29, 2024: Court dismisses MHJ’s CEO reinstatement injunction due to technicalities

November 2024

November 5, 2024: HYBE reports a 98.6% plunge in net profit year-on-year

November 13, 2024: NewJeans sends a certified document to ADOR demanding corrective action for contract violations

November 14, 2024: MHJ notifies HYBE of put option exercise (approx. 26 B won)

[short laurel]

~t https://x.com/pannchoa/status/1857090871423914065?t=jMUbW9WzqQswf1IXqsXVvg&s=19

[narrow seal]

241114 pannchoa Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/pannchoa/status/1857090871423914065
HYBE caught deleting Japanese article exposing them buying luxury hotels for Japanese journalists to write strictly "favorable articles"
https://tinyurl.com/yjct7y7c

[vapid turret]

Hmm you know if the girls leave Hybe I have a hunch they’ll redebut under a different label that will respect them don’t they have the money to do so?

[cerulean lake]

didn’t ador said they would try to cooperate yday or smth

such liars 😭 only way of cooperating is if they reinstate mhj as ceo which i KNOW they don’t want

[tardy smelt]

that is ideal, it’s just a matter of how cleanly they separate from HYBE

[dry wind]

[waxen musk]

Do we think those new songs were complete? I mean if they were to release around Halloween, I would think it is safe to assume they were complete.

What about songs like Hold It Down and Butterflies (With U)?

What about any other work that was done but not released for the full album?

[dry wind]

Complete and in a vault

[waxen musk]

I doubt anyone actually knows, but does anyone think that them working with BANA for their music (a team external from ADOR and HYBE), means they can still use that music in the future?

[wind monolith]

~t https://x.com/talytokki/status/1857143545054027909?s=46

[narrow seal]

241114 talytokki Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/talytokki/status/1857143545054027909
newjeans aren’t disbanding. disbandment would mean the group separates altogether.

newjeans have made it very clear from the beginning that they’re sticking together.

no matter what happens after the 14 days, newjeans are still going to be OT5, regardless of what their group

[dry wind]

Artms uses some loona stuff during concerts IIRC. But. Diff situation. It's hard for me to be optimistic LOL

Much much different situation and blockberry is now essentially defunct lolol

[neon igloo]

I think that all issues related to music rights and similar matters will also be resolved through court in case of contract termination

[waxen musk]

I think we all have a million questions. It's probably a waste of time me just wondering out loud and asking questions in here when nobody can really answer and can only answer based on what's happened throughout K-pop history with other groups.

[dry wind]

Such an annoying situation

[vapid turret]

I am so thankful for Taly

[neon igloo]

Exactly. There's really no need to overthink or create unnecessary worries right now. NewJeans have their parents and lawyers they've hired to represent them, just as MHJ has her own legal team to defend her interests. We just need to wait for the outcomes of all the petitions and court proceedings—that’s the best approach. Meanwhile, we should continue supporting NewJeans at all their events and appearances. So let’s just take a deep breath and get ready for KGMA

[dry wind]

It's going to be okay

[waxen musk]

supporting NewJeans at all their events and appearances
lol, even this, I can't help but wonder if Saturday's performance will be their last or if everything for December will happen or not.
Anyway hopefully I'll stop openly wondering out loud in here from now on. (We'll see. )

[dry wind]

dont say that 😭 😭

[neon igloo]

Oh, the December performances will definitely go ahead, even if they file a termination request in court. Those schedules are already set

[waxen musk]

We'll find out soon, regardless.

[neon igloo]

it's like a professional obligation. You can't just not show up to work, even if you've submitted a resignation. There's usually a notice period you need to work through before the contract officially ends (if it's mutually agreed upon). And if the employer doesn't agree to the termination (which is possible), the process can take even longer. So no worries—we'll see them in December and most likely in January as well. And after that future activities remain uncertain

[dry wind]

Yeah I see a court drama in our future

[neon igloo]

we can change future

[dry wind]

Office concept

When loona was in hot contentions w their contract termination there was a team that had orbits sign and fax/scan physical papers saying they were a fan who was concerned/unsatisfied w the treatment of the group. And then those were sent to like their lawyers LOL. I think one member mentioned somewhere once that they were a factor in deciding the outcome of their case

[sly python]

guys, everything is going to be ok

remember newjeans said it best:
I"m not gonna be the one to get hurt

[red thorn]

Weird it just got deleted now
That jp article was resurfacing post phone call recording

[sage pilot]

Tbh, I don’t get why a lot of y’all are so pessimistic 🧍‍♀️This decision was practically set in stone at least two months ago. NJ and their team had enough evidence against Hybe even before the released docs. They have been preparing for this decision actively. The only reason it took so long is bc they kept trying to change Hybe, giving them many second chances. As they found out, there’s no changing a structure like BSH -> his minions. Hybe’s destiny is only to crumble within itself. So ofc they’d leave. I’m sure they got A LOT of options what to do next, they’re not powerless. Just have faith and patience, that’s all. This is NOT the end of NewJeans’ careers

[heady gate]

NJ career is solid.

Here is the relationship between NewJeans, Hybe Corp, consumers, and the brand collaboration companies.

[red thorn]

https://fxtwitter.com/majiminji/status/1857069163275063397?s=46 NJ contract termination letter on jp news

[tawdry vessel]

it's just the beginning

[vapid turret]

hmm?

[fleet nebula]

ye love this graphic

[vapid turret]

So in other words they'll leave Hybe and redebut under something else?

[sage pilot]

Most likely, yes

[sweet pebble]

japan loves nj so much bro

[tawdry vessel]

big labels be lining up

[naive hound]

Would you like blue shoes as the new name for the group

[sly python]

OldDenim

[shut kelp]

dw i have a good feeling hybe/ador will accept their faith and fulfil the girls demands

they would be stupid to terminate their contracts even tho i dont want the girls in hybe

[vapid turret]

It's kinda sad because HYBE is still behind some of my favorite groups and songs.

But they just mistreated the girls too much for them to continue there. I don't stan companies mind you.

[frosty echo]

Same

[torn edge]

IF....like really if...newjeans going to terminate the exclusive contract with em, should there be any penalty that the girls have to pay or otherwise hybe must pay them because of the breach all this time based on the NA. And second, is it possible all of the brand collab/ ambassador contract will terminated from them and with hybe as well?? well i mean no newjeans no income for them as well...

those are the only thing that on my mind rn

[heady gate]

Brands want NJ to make money for them. Why would them penalty them? There is nothing to gain from it.

[torn edge]

no not the brands who gave penalty...hybe, for the contract termination between the artist and the company

[heady gate]

idk

[torn edge]

the brands mostly gonna be dissapointed with hybe because cannot deal with such internal problems and probably will redflag em with accountability issue ig

[torn edge]

yea right? i mean they literally stole mostly of newjeans profits for foods on their table

[heady gate]

Hybe management are bullies. You have to think as bullies. What would a bully react when things are not in their favor?

They will blame and sue NJ

[torn edge]

bit hard for me because I used to be the one got bullied but i get the point. the thing that don't make sense to me for all of this, is why HYBE want to kill their golden laying egg goose

[valid sierra]

https://theqoo.net/hot/3486143838
Dani's signature having a star, she havent thought of all these would happen at all when creating it

[torn edge]

not saying other groups with em not generate much profits, but nj in 2 years can accomplished what others do like in what? 5-10 years?

[torn edge]

no worries...you should see haerin's

[heady gate]

Simple answer, it is due to BSH's ego. He disliked MHJ's NJ debut plan, said it doesn't follow the tradition K-pop formula. NJ is doing great in 2 years. BSH, a Billionaire, founder of BTS, king of k-pop has no involvement of their success. It hurts his ego. Therefore, he created a new gg and freeze NJ.

[tawdry vessel]

king of kpop my ass

[heady gate]

Hybe own over 50% of the k-pop market share

[tawdry vessel]

but that doesnt make you a king

[heady gate]

He thinks he is the king

[jolly junco]

he bought almost every kpop agency out there, of course they own 50%

[heady gate]

true

[jolly junco]

let not stoop so low like hybe stans, we are better than this

[tawdry vessel]

it's a fact tho

atleast it aint misinformation

[torn edge]

if it's because of this, then my previous theory in mind was valid then, BSH doesn't like when a women CEO can achieve the same thing as him, and in the fast track as well. 2 years, they already in the same place as he build for over 10+ years of career in KPOP industry. correct me if i'm wrong

[jolly junco]

when newjeans are finally free from HYBE and they start new career again as 5, lets stop talking about HYBE and focus for our future together

HYBE is irrelevant when the 5 of them finally redebut under new agency

[steel depot]

i can't wait for the day that company and that man's name is blocked/banned from this server

[heady gate]

We have to see what would happen after 14 days.

[torn edge]

godspeed nj and mhj. i wish nothing but the girls success

[jolly junco]

-prayjeans

[tall dew]

[torn edge]

'something big'

[tawdry vessel]

yes, never hated someone this much

[heady gate]

Fifty Fifty count case took a while

[steel depot]

same

[wind monolith]

This is not 50/50

[heady gate]

Hybe will not release them easily, it would go to count

[sage pilot]

This will never happen. They’re back already at scaring them with penalty fees the girls allegedly will have to pay. Also, Hybe IS indeed stupid lol

We got a discount btw lol Hybe was saying they will have to pay 500B, now it’s down to 450B lol

~t https://x.com/nekonekoo1212/status/1857206692356001853?s=46

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241114 NekoNekoo1212 Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/NekoNekoo1212/status/1857206692356001853
아침부터 받아쓰기 하는중

[heady gate]

450 billion won = 320 million USD. Hybe is crazy. Taylor Swift's first six albums were sold to Shamrock Capital for $300 million in 2020.

[jolly junco]

they are just bluffing, newjeans know they wont have to pay that much

they have done their research, especially with lawyers. They are not stupid

HYBE just trying to make bunnies see how newjeans will "suffer" if they decided to terminate contract with ADOR, so us bunnies will have to ask newjeans to stay in ADOR instead

[sage pilot]

Ofc they are. It’s just shows us that they’re not willing to resolve any conflict at all

[jolly junco]

reverse mind trick, dont fall for it

HYBE knows newjeans always monitoring how bunnies feel about them, so they are using us against newjeans

just trust newjeans, and at the end of the day we will win this war

[heady gate]

Does anyone believe this conflict would be settle without going to count?

[jolly junco]

nope

HYBE will fight like hell so newjeans wont be able to leave without paying

[sage pilot]

In my opinion, the possibility of it is really really low. Hybe will keep its aggressive stance until the bitter end

[jolly junco]

it all come down to evidences, court will make their choice

[heady gate]

I think this sub should change the it's name from MHJ vs HYBE updates to NJ vs HYBE updates.

[tawdry vessel]

Bunnies, MHJ, and NJ vs HYBE

[heady gate]

HYBE's 400 Billion KRW CB Refinancing with Mirae Asset. Basically, Hybe is passing their debt to NJ.

[torn edge]

this

[vapid turret]

That's still very expensive, not even BTS can pay that much to just leave.

The girls could wind up homeless if they try to get out.

[wind monolith]

its a scare tactic

[sage pilot]

They will not bc there would be no fees to pay. It’s hybe who will end up paying for damages 😉

[vapid turret]

Still, I'm having a panic attack for the girls on one hand, and hope they get out on the other.

[wind monolith]

its pretty obvious they prbly wont have to pay anything nj have evidence for breach of contract hybe literally has zero points on them

[wind monolith]

take a breather and relax the girls know what they are doing, they wouldn't go in blind asking for termination

[heady gate]

Ador transferred money to Hybe gaming division a few weeks ago. Now, Hybe wants to take money from NJ. That is typical bully behavior.

[sage pilot]

Drink some chamomile tea, take a walk and stay calm Everything will work out, NJ will be alright

[vapid turret]

I just feel that even though I'm in my 30s I'm still getting into K-pop and I feel that people will mock me just for being a fan of newjeans

Are there still fans of broken up or no longer active bands?

I just feel invisible in everything I do.

[heady gate]

The girls and their parents wouldn't size that documents without a plan

[sage pilot]

Who cares what ppl think? F them. NewJeans is for everyone

[vapid turret]

But still are there still fans of disbanded groups?

Or no longer active bands?

[jolly junco]

there are

f(x) fans, meu are still there....

[sage pilot]

Well I am lol In kpop, there’s a lot of ppl, too. Fans of f(x), for example. They still ride hard for them

[sage pilot]

You and me both 🤝

[vapid turret]

But they're still active.

Still, I think that Le SSerafim and Aespa and other K-pop groups will be able to help the girls in the end when you think about it. Well with finding a new studio that is or giving them noteriety.

[sage pilot]

F(x)? As a group, they’re long dead lol The girls are active, yes. In worst case scenario, if NJ will end up like f(x) (highly unlikely), they will be active in the industry too

[vapid turret]

After all despite the fandom wars many K-pop groups are on good terms with each other IRL.

[jolly junco]

MHJ + NJ have enough money to start their own small company, no need to worry

[heady gate]

Do u know how many ppl listen to Michael Jackson songs daily? He died in 2009. Fans stay forever for good music.

[jolly junco]

just please trust newjeans decisions

[vapid turret]

Oh yeah and thanks to deadpool Bye Bye bye went viral again.

Groups always have that one song that just goes viral at every chance.

[heady gate]

Is it their parents co-sign the document due to underage?

[steel depot]

where's that from?

[sage pilot]

A pretty interesting article has come out today. It’s an opinion of an entertainment lawyer. I wonder if Juantokki will translate it later

https://n.news.naver.com/article/421/0007909256

I translated the most interesting part myself

“However, this is not the first time the matter has been publicized, and the conflict between the management of Hive and ADORE has been an issue since then,” said Attorney Kim. ”Among them, there were many issues such as the future handling of a group called Newzine, so it can be said that the trust relationship was actually damaged.”

“First of all, the court first examines whether the trust between the agency and the artist is damaged and whether it is practical to keep the contract, and then decides whether the exclusive contract remains in effect or not,” he said. ”Looking at the various circumstances, the conflict is already in full swing, and it seems to be a difficult situation to repair, so if the Hive side does not fulfill the request for corrective measures within 14 days, the court is likely to consider that the trust has been damaged and the contract has been terminated first.”

She also said that the case is rare bc “big companies like Hybe don’t usually mess up like this” lol

~t https://x.com/emptydaniiii/status/1857242559388819954?s=46

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241115 emptydaniiii Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/emptydaniiii/status/1857242559388819954
asked a real ent expert lawyer instead of an ‘armchair lawyer’ and she said “it’s not easy to get a ruling that they have to stay under the contract If njs can prove the company’s fault in detail they can cancel the contract without paying penalties”

[heady gate]

14 days would be Thanksgiving in the US.

[waxen musk]

No, it shows their name in print, their name written with pen, then their signature.

Hyein's signature doesn't look like a signature.

[heady gate]

I am talking about the signature under the pink tape. I think it is co-signed

[waxen musk]

That would make sense.

[torn edge]

ahh kitty kang signature

[jolly junco]

i think its because hyein is still under age, so her parents are the one who signed it

[vapid turret]

Yep she's only 16

[true bobcat]

Do we think newjeans will actually disband

[zinc peak]

No

[sweet pebble]

they wont disband but instead they will leave hybe

[true bobcat]

I really wonder what will happen then

They should join brd with soojin 😻

[hoary frost]

We dk for sure
Hyein might pursue modelling agn and Minji might starta cting

[true bobcat]

If they split up I’ll be so sad 🥲

[wind monolith]

they are not splitting apart thats pretty obvious

~t https://twitter.com/talytokki/status/1857143545054027909

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241114 talytokki Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/talytokki/status/1857143545054027909
newjeans aren’t disbanding. disbandment would mean the group separates altogether.

newjeans have made it very clear from the beginning that they’re sticking together.

no matter what happens after the 14 days, newjeans are still going to be OT5, regardless of what their group

[turbid solar]

[half knot]

maybe there will be a true Black Friday for this HYBE-MHJ-NJ drama then

[heady gate]

Black Hybe Friday. 💀

[cerulean lake]

wait so they are threatening them again w the money they have to pay if they terminate the contracts?

didn’t ador just release smth yday saying how they would try to cooperate or smth

omg they’re so inconsistent it’s actually annoying

[split bramble]

both sides will be seeking damages

[cerulean lake]

they’re expecting the girls to pay 450 billion won 🤣 bro most US celebrities don’t even have that money too

hope their biggest acts like bts and seventeen don’t renew contracts so that they can continue being in debt

and then all groups leave and we cheer when hybe can hopefully be like dsp media 🙏🙏🫠

[rain spade]

Hybe started all these, what damages are they even seeking. The audacity 🤣

[jolly junco]

*x -c https://x.com/PoppyKPoppie/status/1857316834086944948

[harsh dove]

@PoppyKPoppie <t:1731653815:d>

DESERVED: Regarding Hanni's National Assembly Inspection Testimony, International Organizations Begin Re-verification of Hybe's Sustainability Report

It has been confirmed that AccountAbility, a global sustainability standard setting organization, has started an investigation into possible inconsistencies in the Sustainability Report published by Hybe.

read more about this here:
https://www.bizhankook.com/bk/article/28581

[jolly junco]

bruh illit moodboard is basically newjeans 😭

"I am uploading this because I am shocked after seeing the statement from the CEO of Belief Lab. It seems like they don’t know what and how much we have. Before releasing the entire plan and transcript that has not been released, I hope you will stop spreading false information and not make things worse.

Come to your senses and apologize properly."

Team Bunnies is gatekeeping all the receipt

[red thorn]

Is not good either release publicly entire evidence/receipt

[short laurel]

450b is their scare tactics. Actual amount wouldn't even be close to this

[hoary frost]

Side eye

[heady gate]

I see this comment in this channel and X all the time, "xyz apologize to NJ" or "abc apologize to NJ". Adult bullies take ownership from the weak and blame other when issue arise. They don't apologize to anybody. Bullies don't care about other ppl feeling. Don't treat bullies as normal people.

[jolly junco]

its okay this is just to rise an awareness for public on whats happening. When the hashtag get trending people are curious and tend to click the tag to find out whats happening

they dont really expect an apologize

[short laurel]

Anti's also making "nj apologies to x" trendy. So needs a countermeasure against them.

[valid sierra]

https://theqoo.net/hot/3486789228

whats this? they dragging the ILLIT members into this mess as well

[sage pilot]

Oh wow, so shameless. And ppl say MHJ is using the girls. They should look at this lol Watch their fandom trend hashtags like HanniApologizeToIllit again after this.

[copper jetty]

Why are they literally setting up the members for that group again for hate?? F that company.

[split bramble]

what did bethief ceo say today

[split bramble]

using idols as shields have been their go to tactic since the dawn of time

[short laurel]

Idk details but what i grasped is it's full of bs n he set up illit for trouble if nj side wins

[copper jetty]

I know and that's why I don't like that yellow company. In the end the serious issues just becomes a fodder for fanwars. Everything about kpop for them is about fanwars.

Smdh

[split bramble]

they believe in 'all publicity is good publicity' a bit too religiously

[red thorn]

Disgusting
Obviously I'm biased and choose to believe Hanni
The more I think the more I mad regarding the ignore/cctv incident

[sleek crest]

gosh.

[red thorn]

During live Hanni she set aside that there were actually 3 witnesses and only emphasize one individual conduct, not even name dropping

[cerulean lake]

this belift ceo is sometimes more annoying that bang shi hyuk

they’re all fighting for first place but it will always be those two being the worst in the company

and the current ceo too probably

[short laurel]

it's funny how "belift ceo denying = revealed" by hybe stans. no proof given, just words.

[heady gate]

That is typical bully behavior. It is their normal reaction

[red thorn]

Also the nerve initiated cctv that fabricated to prove that she's a liar? Or because "we all are complicit no point to probe further into this it's futile"?

[short laurel]

remember when hanni said if it's a misunderstanding then clear it with her. they refused to even do that.

[hoary frost]

lol i think that belift ceo is too delusional

[red thorn]

Yeah
And the chief hr conveniently hide behind ceo role

[shy schooner]

Belift dragging them young girls into this mess

[wind monolith]

This should prove to anyone who thought ador would listen to nj they wont. After 14 days are up its def going to termination

[copper jetty]

I think Belift is dragging those girls to divert bunnies anger to that group. Then they could get sympathy and engagement for their cb.

[red thorn]

Apparently there is one more lawsuit filed to mhj, from illit creative director

[copper jetty]

Another one? How many is it now???

[red thorn]

Idk anymore
That lawsuit is to challenge mhj to prove the plagiarism

[bronze jetty]

i don’t wanna blame illit in anyway, their ceo is using them as a shield

[hoary frost]

Min Hee Jin Lawsuit Farming Simulator

[bronze jetty]

[copper jetty]

Lmao. I don't know about this tho. It feels farfetched but with the incomprehensible things hybe has done this year I wouldn't really rule that out. 💀

[bronze jetty]

yeah i mean it would seem pretty absurd 😭

[steel depot]

this is making me puke...

[wind monolith]

If they were to do that the hate train would be crazy

[jolly junco]

go ahead and take newjeans IP, i dont really care

Lets see if they can get the same success with using newjeans IP, they are digging their own grave by doing that

i would loveeee for them to do that, and fight with minji hanni dani haerin hyein new group later to see who was right and who was wrong

[steel depot]

they dont even give a thought if the netizens gonna support their gg if they do that... what kind of brain do they have? i dont think they are delusional i think they are hallucinating...

[copper jetty]

I have no idea how their cb fared this time considering i don't really keep tabs on other groups but is it close to newjeans IP though??

[jolly junco]

dont make me laugh

[steel depot]

never... not even touching newjeans toes

[jolly junco]

when was the comeback? last month? i only saw aespa everywhere

[wind monolith]

Real talent will always win

[bronze jetty]

yeah it was the same day as aespa’s comeback

[jolly junco]

i'm not worried at all, good music will always win in the end. No one can resist a good music

[steel depot]

newjeans are too natural... too human... too unique in every aspect to be copied

[jolly junco]

you mean they are too real not like the other kpop factory products

[wind monolith]

12 days so fkin long😭 each day hybe gonna put some stupid shit out

[steel depot]

yes that's right

[copper jetty]

I actually don't know. I was playing newjeans playlist on yt music when suddenly their song started. Immediately skipped it.

[jolly junco]

what a nightmare, that would ruined my day

[steel depot]

the only people gonna buy their bs are their bots

[hoary frost]

To think we were supposed to get a new song

[steel depot]

is that on spotify or yt?

[jolly junco]

yeah this is so sad, and when i saw dani cover today it makes me angry

they were supposed to create music that they love, but hybe just wont let them I'M SO FCKIN ANGRY AT THATTT

dani cover today makes me realize that they are truly a singers, not just idol

[frosty echo]

21st of October with Cherish (My Love)

[hoary frost]

LOL Do you guys know the Izna situation

They used newjeans to make noise for their debut

[frosty echo]

Debut*

[hoary frost]

Oops

Crazy work

[copper jetty]

Yt music. After the playlist they usually recommend songs too so their song and other groups songs was there. Honestly with these issues happening with hybe I'm turned off by their other groups music (except 17) but I keep having recommendations from them.

[sweet pebble]

they apologized real quick

[hoary frost]

Thats their plan, to use Newjeans and make some noise be it negative or positive for Izna’s debut

[wind monolith]

Too Real alot of us feel the same way

[jolly junco]

Belift CEO: “I don't think there was any team that was considering debuting or debuting after NewJeans debuted that wasn't influenced by NewJeans. We were influenced by them in someway. I don't deny that.“

LOL whats going on

[wind monolith]

😭😭😭😭😭

[hoary frost]

lol feel bad for the girls but if they dont speak up for themselves or if they stand on what that incel ceo said ima start hatin

[copper jetty]

Uhmm what??? Is this new??

[wind monolith]

Newjeans 4th gen leaders

[frosty echo]

I wish belift would just stop using illit as the shield. The girls did nothing wrong. They keep on getting hate bcs of the company.

[copper jetty]

You mean they keep setting those girls up.

[frosty echo]

Don't hate on members, they did nothing wrong

[vague shore]

I'm pretty sure they insisted there was no influence in their explanation clip. haha

[frosty echo]

Yeah, and that is why they get hate from tokkis

[sweet pebble]

they're trying so hard to destroy newjeans' image but us tokkis know newjeans better that them

[copper jetty]

And I'm pretty sure they denied having any docs related to newjeans only to admit them receiving it.

[wind monolith]

They have lied like 100 times and expect us to believe them now

[short laurel]

how many contradiction did hybe side made till now ? ALOT

[copper jetty]

Amd they only admit it cause newjeans and MHJ side has RECIEPTS.

And whistleblowers too. Lmao

[short laurel]

if nj gonna fight for their IP after getting out. hybe won't be able to do this.

[vague shore]

What a joke of a company. They can’t even lie properly.

[hoary frost]

the thing is illit and newjeans is now in the same situation where they can only trust the adults around them only difference is one side is proven to be a bunch of incel money hungry scums

[short laurel]

social media drama would change so much if only bts members spoke up properly... i wish they do it. hybe needs to get more backlash by intl side too.

[jolly junco]

https://m.entertain.naver.com/now/article/109/0005196416

[copper jetty]

They can't even get their stories straight and they flip flop a lot... this is why they should try these in court already and not in the media.

NewJeans' and MHJ story has been consistent from the start. It's Hybe's side doing flip flops and deleting things.

[steel depot]

they boost them on youtube like it'll change the game i get recommendations from them on Spotify i removed them but they kept appearing... and i am a paid subscriber...

[wind monolith]

I blocked their profile havent had to deal with them

[steel depot]

on ig i did that

[copper jetty]

Actually same. I have a paid spotify too and blocked hybe groups but lmao... I keep getting their songs on my smart shuffle

[steel depot]

what's surprising is those recommendations on Spotify time line that they cameback with a new song but I'm not even following them it's so annoying...

[jolly junco]

whats the point of the blocking feature then

[hoary frost]

lol they been getting away out of a lot of stuff they think they can get away with everything in the end the truth will always comes out

[short laurel]

funny thign about this is. everything he claimed that mhj did to them in reality is done by hybe/belift to nj.

[frosty echo]

When they stand up then some tokkis will say "oh, they are truly newjeans clone by standing up to this situation" (excluding lia and miuawu)

[short laurel]

hypocritical interview.

[frosty echo]

I just have that sense

[steel depot]

at the end what's left of hybe is those brainrots and their robots 😬 i wonder what V is feeling rn... I'm betting on him being the first one to not renew contract...

[short laurel]

if bts renew the contract. honestly they would all respect from me.

[copper jetty]

I actually don't know. I mean some of them even appear still on my recommended songs even if I blocked them. I think it's because I liked and listened to some of their artists' music before.

[sage pilot]

they didn’t apologize

[sweet pebble]

wuh i thought they did through twitter

[short laurel]

they just said. "we'll change it" not an apology.

[sage pilot]

they just announced that they’ll change the design, but there was no apology

[sweet pebble]

oh

[copper jetty]

Lmao. Funny thing is they did it with newjeans cb last April and June. Idk if this is karma or what.

[short laurel]

exactly. he is hypocrite

[red thorn]

Cosplayer

[sage pilot]

tbh, i still don’t understand why illit girls won’t speak up. your CEO already put you in this conflict. you clearly heard what was said. speak up and make everybody’s lives easier, including your own

[wind monolith]

They prbly afraid they will lose their job, what im worried about is if hybe feeds them lies and tells them to say this if they were to speak up

[short laurel]

i won't expect much from them considering they praised bsh..

bts members have praised bsh in the past, the they also have shown they not like him. i expect similar situation from this.

[sage pilot]

but considering how hybe loves to use them for sympathy points, if they’re not speaking up, it means that Hanni 100% telling the truth. otherwise they would have dragged the illit girls on a livestream and made them tell their story

[short laurel]

and that atleast this issue could be solved so easily but they failed to even do that.

[flint stone]

They are scared, because they are young and just debuted, also someone manipulate/trying to scare them even more for sure

[frosty echo]

Currently they are promoting

[wind monolith]

They had alot of time before to speak up

[frosty echo]

Yes, they did complete cherish promotions but they started for tick-tack

[sage pilot]

Hanni was at NA on Oct 15. NJ did the livestream in early September. That’s plenty of time to speak up 🤷‍♀️ I get the perspective that Hybe is advising them against it, but not this one

[rain spade]

if they did speak up, then the evidence is concrete. but if they don't hybe can still twist and turns the story however they like

[short laurel]

it doesn't matter at this point if illit speak up or not. hybe will cover it up easily. the ones who have any power to scare hybe and it's lapdogs is bts members. it's them who needs to speak up considering it's thier fandom who are so loud on this.

[flint stone]

I don't understand why every fandom of groups from hybe are labels still don't do anything. Even group that hybe like and don't sabotage like nj suffering. Did you see recent ls documentary? In first episode 2 members needed oxygen tank, it's not normal. And they didn't have normal break for 2 years. hybe should have much more problems by now and be "cancelled" after all they did and doing

[red thorn]

Is it really that hard to understand

[flint stone]

They had time, but we need to understand that they won't do it and there is a lot of reasons for it. They are already pressured because of what their company doing

[copper jetty]

I feel like KPOP fans in general romanticize their idols hardships and they use it for fanwars for pity Olympics.

I think it's just us tokkis that are being realistic enough to not want the girls to suffer through that.

[valid sierra]

I really hope belift ceo was lying about the ILLIT members response on the current issues. because if not,

[jolly junco]

IJBOL, something is wrong in their brain… really…

[wind monolith]

If its real i have nothing to say im just disappointed. Karma will hit them hard

[flint stone]

I hope that they will wake up and return to reality before it's to late. A person simply cannot handle such intense physical and emotional pressure for too long

[sage pilot]

Speaking up would relieve most of the pressure bc their own company is creating a narrative where it’s their word against Hanni’s. Who will stand up for Illit, if not the girls themselves? It’s the same situation for NJ

[flint stone]

Nj was brave enough, illit not, they just debuted, all hybe staff around them, there is no one to protect them. One wrong step and all people around them judging and creating lots of "situations". We shouldn't pressure them more than they already are, they might speak up later if they will be brave enough

[sage pilot]

NJ are rookies too. I mean, I get that they’re maybe scared, but this silence is only hurting them. Their joke of a CEO will destroy their reputation before they would have a chance to speak up

[flint stone]

That's true, but we can't know what's going on there and in their heads, we can only wait and see what's gonna happen

*x -c https://x.com/PoppyKPoppie/status/1857413713483161844?t=VBQvf5vXKW6Kt6_JzzU1iXNX74IQQtNJGYS-r1UUMLQ&s=19

[harsh dove]

@PoppyKPoppie <t:1731676913:d>

belift’s decision making principle be like..

[short laurel]

blame the intern is in every companies roullete lol

[ionic rain]

guys, I'm seeing a lot of ppl talking about this interview of belift CEO and one thing that doesn't make sense for me is why everyone is taking his words ab illit as undeniable truth

not saying that they're angels but for me is just him putting them to the wolves again, or talking like what he wanted to be true

[short laurel]

dw. most people atleast i c are blaming that joke of a ceo/coo

[ionic rain]

here most of the hated are directed to the girls instead of him, that's why I'm kinda pissed

[short laurel]

most of them are just wishing illit to speak up themselves like NJ did. but like discussed above it'd be hard for them.

[jolly junco]

thats the purpose of this interview what did you expect

[ionic rain]

I expected ppl not falling for it

[ionic rain]

and yes, I know they wont but it's just sad to watch it

[split bramble]

korea crazy for not preventing slapp suits or allowing defame suits to be abused for victims speaking up

[stiff prairie]

did they sue mhj again?

[red thorn]

Another petition lol, sequel
https://petitions.assembly.go.kr/proceed/onGoingAll/264FE5D6B95F5641E064B49691C6967B

[jolly junco]

sometimes Team Bunnies are working too hard... why wont they let the 1st petition have a result before starting another 1

[short laurel]

this petition is different from previous one and is very important to be implemented.

previous one was about corruption. this one is about the holes in current laws. and it would add to already ongoing discussion about contract workers rights.

atleast this is what i get from this.

[steep torrent]

twitter is going crazy with belift ceo's interview

[hoary frost]

Tf now im hearing newjeans signed with odd atelier 😭

[wind monolith]

They cant sign with anyone there contract hasnt been terminated yet

[vapid turret]

But if they do that means their boss will be jennie

[sleek crest]

LMFAOO

[sleek crest]

misinformation am i r8

[bronze jetty]

no way mhj wants to have a boss LOL

[sleek crest]

why are people using it against whatever ahyeon vs jennie is

[hoary frost]

Reail

#stopmisinforming

[waxen musk]

Keeping up with everything on Twitter was a mistake.

[frosty echo]

Which is wrong thing bcs illit did nothing wrong

[short laurel]

https://x.com/pannchoa/status/1857451255091572740?t=PLv_qs6nQ41MCLM3n4iyTA&s=19

pannchoa (@pannchoa) on X

Illit's creative director sues Min Heejin for plagiarism claims
https://t.co/51a6wtvO5J

Twitter · Nov 15, 2024, 3:51 PM

[frosty echo]

Pannchoa detected, opinion invalidated

[short laurel]

Pannchoa posts biased news doesn't means everything they post is wrong. Check the link be4 invalidating it

Link above is not an opinion but a news report.

[hoary frost]

“She should plagiarize her haircut” 😭😭😭

[heady gate]

NJ can record a new version of it. Same thing happened to Taylor Swift, when she lost her master.

[wind monolith]

Illits creative directorc is not winning that battle☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️

Team bunnies just gotta transfer all the evidence

[split bramble]

the goal isnt to win, its to drown MHJ in constant legal battles and debt

[wind monolith]

Ya ik

[short laurel]

belift n somu already admitted they filed lawsuits against MHJ to "comfort artists". not cuz had any valid reason

[heady gate]

Since MHJ announced to exercise her put options. We are expecting more law sue against her.

[steel depot]

the law should ban belift from suing anyone since they couldn't show any evidence against any of their claims. they're such a waste of time. tf....

another wrong move from the dumbest label i can't wait for the next dumb move they'll take. messing up their own artists by creating their own narrative what a mess.

[frozen bronze]

i doubt theres anything team bunnies has that mhj doesnt

they just have more than the general public

[short laurel]

I just learned that this "creative director" hit enhypen member be4.

[heady gate]

Enyphan and Illit are under Belift.

How did she hit Enyphan?

[short laurel]

Yea ik. But the fact that she hit someone is disgusting. Idk the details only heard she did that to member named sunoo

[silk skiff]

It was a playful hit, you rly think she would hit someone with malicious intent in front of the fans with that many cameras on them? No need to vilify her as this abuser just because she allegedly plagiarised mhj’s work

[vapid turret]

Oh yeah, NJ can do a taylor's version of their songs and they can go viral again. We just need Jason the Ween to help out to promote it along with every bunny around.

[steel depot]

they're so disgusting 🤢

[short laurel]

The counter to this i read is "the time n play for playful hit was bad." Not trying to vilify her, it's just what fandom said on twitter that i read. Playful hit argument is on reddit.

[wind monolith]

“Allegedly” while havinng nj documents

[cosmic belfry]

Another SLAPP suit. This company uses lawsuits as PR and at some point you would think people would stop taking them seriously.

[steep torrent]

theres a twitter debate space thats been going on for 5 hours now

[lucid yarrow]

can we move to bluesky already

[steep torrent]

listened for a bit and it just showed other fandoms really don't understand anything about the situation and are so misinformed

[frosty echo]

yeah, I'm anonymously listening to it

[heady gate]

*x -c https://x.com/juantokki/status/1857587621041680626

[harsh dove]

@juantokki <t:1731718375:d>

Petition for a Hearing and Legislation Improvement/Enactment Regarding Legal Loopholes Exposed by the Social Misconduct of Major Entertainment Companies

This petition marks one of the crucial first steps in exposing and holding HYBE accountable for its wrongdoings.

Building on the momentum of the previous petition, which called for the revocation of HYBE’s status as a leading company, we urge all fandoms to rally behind this cause. By supporting this initiative, we can work to prevent mistreatment, exploitation, and unfair practices within the industry. Our collective efforts aim to protect the rights and well-being of artists, creatives, and fans, while ensuring that the K-pop industry evolves into a more ethical, sustainable, and thriving space for everyone.

동의진행 청원:

대형엔터테인먼트사의 사회적 물의로 드러난 각종 법령의 미비점에 대한 청문회 및 입법 보 완, 제정에 관한 청원

본 청원은 하이브의 잘못된 행태를 밝혀내고 책임을 묻기 위한 중요한 첫걸음이 될 것입니다.

앞서 하이브의 으뜸기업 지위 철회를 촉구했던 청원의 성과를 기반으로, 모든 팬덤이 이번 청원에 함께해 주시기를 간곡히 요청드립니다. 이번 청원에 동참함으로써 업계 내에서 발생하는 부당한 대우, 착취, 그리고 불공정한 관행을 방지할 수 있습니다. 우리의 공동 노력은 아티스트, 창작자, 그리고 팬들의 권리와 복지를 보호하고, K-poo 산업이 보다 윤리적이고 지속 가능하며 번영하는 방향으로 나아가도록 할 것입니다.

https://petitions.assembly.go.kr/status/onGoing/264FE5D6B95F5641E064B49691C6967B

[heady gate]

This is a new petition regarding Legal Loopholes Exposed by the Social Misconduct of Major Entertainment Companies. If you are a Korean, vote. If you are not a Korean, share this message.

[steel depot]

how many signs do they need?

[cosmic belfry]

50k. ~45k more.

[heady gate]

7000 signed. It is at 14%

[short laurel]

twitter is soo bad right now. soooo much misinformation by everyone. and "tokkies" are participating in spreading it. people need to retweet jaun's post more and more.

even after blocking so many accounts it coming back again

[waxen musk]

I basically only trust 1tokki and Ramjjang. Seriously that's it now everyone else just either retweets them of just shares opinions but doesn't add anything. Anyone else have other Twitter accounts that even match these accounts?

[split bramble]

twitter is bot factory now

[cerulean lake]

facts elon needs to get rid of those bots

they ruin every comment section unless it’s some wholesome stuff

[short laurel]

even many who supports nj and mhj. they are same as tmikpop twisting words. for ragebait or fanwar. completely missing what the goal of tokkies, nj and mhj is.

[wind monolith]

i fkin hate twitter that incel posting saying its empty for nj at the award show BUT ALL I FKIN SEE IS BUNNIES

[cerulean lake]

just don’t mind them they just make wtv they want to feed all their stupid supporters who only see their posts for confirmation bias

[thick needle]

@copper current get back bro 🫂

[jolly junco]

~t https://x.com/catzkang/status/1857744358763802900

[narrow seal]

241116 catzkang Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/catzkang/status/1857744358763802900
Haerin : “thank you to ADOR staff— i mean the staff who helped us…”

No one claim the new ador now. Lets bring the old ador back! 🫵🏻😭

[jolly junco]

hahhaha newjeans are getting brave, GO NEWJEANSSSSSSSSS just say everything you want to say

[ocean arch]

Yes I got a feeling that's what she said I was just waiting for translation to confirm lol

So satisfying

[sweet pebble]

they seem happier now that theyre brave

[jolly junco]

it has been decided

with dani speech just now, 100% confirmed they will terminate the contract

[lofty compass]

NewJeans never die

[vague shore]

yep with a new name

[jolly junco]

the 5 girls will never die

[tardy smelt]

We’ll get a new beginning

[steel depot]

Sad but also excited for the next chapter where no one can hold back NewJeans

[jolly junco]

i cant wait for our new beginning with them

[tardy smelt]

I’m in ts for life 🗣️

[runic sluice]

theres no ador now only fraudor

[cerulean coral]

Did they say it officially that they're leaving fraudor ? Is there any official updates

[steel depot]

ador being left with nothing

[hoary frost]

you can tell how the 5 of them are locked in with each other when they can talk abt some serious stuff and still look that happy they dont care abt the IP anymore they just want to be free and make music together

[runic sluice]

fraudor says wanna make things work out but i guess the girls prepared for worst case scenario

[runic sluice]

they know that bunnies , real ones always will have their back no matter what

anyone know if we wait 14 days from 13 Nov to have another update from Hybe to the letter NJ issued?

[orchid field]

fr just reinstate mhj and it will be unfucked ,its so easy but hybe & fraudor just keeps doing this bullshit

[frosty echo]

and it gives hate to both NJ and ILLIT

[hoary frost]

its a blessing in disguise getting out earlier than their original contract imagine if they stay in their fr 5 more years

[hoary frost]

then we need to wait another year or two for them to redebut again

[runic sluice]

no way, they already being bullied so much rn- 5 more yrs sounds insane T_T and belift kept harrassing them - it needs to stop

[sweet pebble]

*x https://x.com/i/status/1857771103122530712

[harsh dove]

@newjeansnews_ <t:1731762121:d>

[runic sluice]

Oh mmy how do i live

[sweet pebble]

🐰Hanni: Honestly we don’t know until when we will be NewJeans anymore… But with the five of us and Bunnies, our relationship cannot be destroyed by anything so let’s stick together till the end

🐶Danielle: Even if we are not NewJeans anymore… NewJeans never die

[jolly junco]

GOODBYE HYBE

[sweet pebble]

THEYLL STICK TOGETHER!!

[frosty echo]

get into other groups

[jolly junco]

Idc if we have to scream newpants newdenims newshirts or whatever as long as they leave that ass of a company

[hoary frost]

i just realized that bunnies are literally forever cuz hybe cant copyright an actual animal😂

[runic sluice]

YAYS BSH SUCCK IT

[fierce cloak]

MHJ tailoring new branding right now hehe

[orchid field]

newerjeans

[runic sluice]

Imma gaslight myself that MHJ gonna create a better binkybong2.0

[fierce cloak]

she will

it just suck that fakedor holding IP and ever things mhj established, they can still exploit it

like recruit 5 new random girls to make newjeans 2.0

[sweet pebble]

latesttrousers

[wintry rose]

that would just set the new members up for failure ngl

[orchid field]

we just dont listen to the new music

[bronze jetty]

fifty fifty 2.0 is different cuz one of the og members is still there

[sweet pebble]

nobody can replace newjeans bud

[wintry rose]

whats the deadline date again

[jolly junco]

27th

[wintry rose]

ty

[hoary frost]

Hybe jus wants attention fr

[jolly junco]

I’m ready for monday media play, they will drop something after that bomb speech from hanni and dani

[fierce cloak]

im looking forward for ablume to debut, i want the 3 vocalists
no hate to keena, she just choose what's right for her, but fifty fifty 2.0 is boring to me

ngl i kinda concern if ador is in hold of MHJ original plan, they can now just recruit new members and do their shit, and throw illit away

so mhj and NJ have to redo a lot of their plan, literally rebrand and transform so they wont get sued by fakedor

[thick needle]

[hoary frost]

U can see the relieve in their face, alrhough they look tired from performing n practising these past few weeks or smth..they look like more relaxed cos they finally said their share and will b free soon

[runic sluice]

I like how we just really have this friendship, that they always share how they feel and how they care abt bunnies- always so precious

[hoary frost]

Is somebody gna match their freak…

[cyan rivet]

Group name newjeans will be changed?

[hoary frost]

Yes, the name is owned by Hybe/Ador

[cyan rivet]

Should they quit the ambassador? It is highly likely that it was signed as an individual

[jolly junco]

Lowkey hope all the brand deals with the name “newjeans”. So when the contract terminated, the owner of “newjeans” IP will have to bear the penalty

[rain spade]

Fraudor pepelaugh

[short laurel]

if hybe attempt to do anything with the brand name. backlash would be huge. they are better of forming something new and leave NJ IP in vault.

[ionic rain]

guys, I'm looking to translate some info ab mhj feud and NJ controversies to my native language bc most of tokkis here don't have the full context, can you tell me some major controversies envolving her?

I already got the https://twitter.com/expmhj with a lot of clarification, but I'm looking foward to make everything clear

✩ (@expmhj) on X

meant to CLARIFY. nobody is defending MIN HEEJIN.

Twitter

[short laurel]

https://x.com/thegreatgaram she has couple threads which clearfies everythign related to MHJ.

람짱 // ʀᴀᴍᴊᴊᴀɴɢ (@thegreatgaram) on X

commentary | cheering on #김가람 #kimgaram 🦦 re-debut https://t.co/5NxUeYN8FQ

Twitter

[split bramble]

NEWJEANS NEVER DIE

[short laurel]

many info should be same though but different perspective helps

[ionic rain]

ofc, I'll not base my whole opinion/explanation on only one perspective

[cerulean ermine]

These post already pay again to making some issues in awardings

[short laurel]

always try to look for different sources of everything u read in those accoutns above or anywhere else. many things about mhj on internet are sourced to hater accounts who itself have no valid source.

[cerulean ermine]

WAKE UP TO THE REALITY HYBEEEE

[modern fog]

sorry buddy, this has nothing to do with the thread

[cerulean ermine]

Okiii okiii

[drowsy crypt]

LET'S SEE THE SHIT YELLOW LABELS WILL DOWNFALL THEN NEWJEANS SET TO FREEDOM

NEWJEANS NEVER DIE

[hoary frost]

Going into 2025 with the group u fell in love with in 2022 ahhh situation

[sweet pebble]

(HYEIN + HAERIN + MINJI + HANNI + DANIELLE) NEVER DIE

[sage pilot]

Some can say they already tried this 🤫

[sweet pebble]

some have failed and some have kept trying but cant seem to do so newjeans is just different

[hoary frost]

Its crazy knowing they gave Katseye the option to name themselves as newcrazy

[flint stone]

where did u get this info?

[hoary frost]

*tt https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSj5MYXxx/

[harsh dove]

@lay & bae☆

[flint stone]

newcrazy? wtf, is this mix of nj and ls?

[cosmic bison]

𝙽𝚎𝚠𝚓𝚎𝚊𝚗𝚜 𝚏𝚘𝚛𝚎𝚟𝚎𝚛

🅝︎🅔︎🅦︎🅙︎🅔︎🅐︎🅝︎🅢︎ 🅝︎🅔︎🅥︎🅔︎🅡︎ 🅓︎🅘︎🅔︎

[bronze jetty]

so if they file for contract termination, what about their schedule for the rest of the year?

[grim hatch]

[boreal laurel]

Feel like mirroring the era as an orbit where post Chuu removal when the girls filed for termination...
I just hope NewJeans gets a happier fate and not ending up a split group

Imma cry if the girls end up an aussie duo and a korean trio

[neon igloo]

Сmon they said in their speech today that they will always stay together as OT5. Just maybe under a different name. There’s nothing wrong with contract termination