NJZ Updates and Discussion

[short laurel]

exactly

[wheat raft]

twitter is actualy a horrible platform for kpop 😂

[short laurel]

i do think relation between nj and illit members are somewhat strained cuz of all this.

twitter is still much better than other social media where only hybe bots rules.

[wheat raft]

i doubt they were close to begin with

[wheat raft]

unfortunately the loudest people in twitter are not the good ones

[short laurel]

hopefully situation change in upcoming days.

[neon igloo]

It seems to me that we just need to look at it from a slightly different angle. It could be interpreted as, "We did this so that our other groups (ILLIT, LE SSERAFIM) would look good in comparison to NewJeans," because that's what HYBE want. That's why HYBE filed a lawsuit, to boost the ratings of our other groups and create PR around them. He’s talking to a journalist, so he’s not going to mention anything that the LE SSERAFIM members themselves could refute

[short laurel]

so word play.

it's hard to say anything from our prospective since we can't read korean. and not easy to translate with 100% accuracy in sentence with word play.

[neon igloo]

That's true. I didn’t write his words through a translator. I just expressed how it sounded to me. This manager had to flatter the journalist and give him something good in terms of information

[short laurel]

i m so glad the journalist leaked the call.

[neon igloo]

By the way, this shows that more and more people are putting out information that damages HYBE's reputation and reveals its true nature

[short laurel]

people have been doing it for ages even during bighit days. it was always covered up by loud stans.
this time hybe bite at MHJ a well known big name in industry and nj who got big quick. so loud stans couldn't cover it up well this time.

[heady gate]

Any media play on Monday Oct 14?

[neon igloo]

No, only the leaked recording of the full conversation between the journalist and the HYBE manager, and the news that the CEO Fraudor will appear at the national assembly with Hanni tomorrow

[orchid field]

here you go #1231839760759263232 message

[short lynx]

Yep

Probably lollllll bunnies doing everything to support

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/cato_o_o/status/1845830982458278144

[narrow seal]

241014 cato_o_o Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/cato_o_o/status/1845830982458278144
Per qrt post with screen cap (translated)

Tokkis can send email to (office of the assemblyman Park Hae Chul) ask any questions to Hanni or AdorLab CEO Kim Joo Young during the audit in regards to workplace bullying issue.

Email: [e-mail]

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/cato_o_o/status/1845816960690409830

[narrow seal]

241014 cato_o_o Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/cato_o_o/status/1845816960690409830
The fact that getting designated receives deferred inspections and local tax audits and favorable credit evaluations is crazy.

Representative Park Hong Bae calling for immediate revoking of this designation due to bullying allegations.

Finally someone sees the truth!

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/inetzreact/status/1845791253725647207

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241014 inetzreact Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/inetzreact/status/1845791253725647207
[Instiz] Knets react to HYBE PR Director’s leaked recording: NewJeans, Min Hee-jin’s "crimes," and Bang Si-hyuk not in the top 10 chaebols https://shorturl.at/9Bsfu

#NewJeans #MinHeeJin #BangSiHyuk

[short laurel]

ok this is pure BS behavior by inspection team. did they had inspection in golf or salon to give them favorable result?

[upbeat stream]

I like this approach of not locking this chat, as long as people are civil

hedi is great

[warm shard]

what time is the NA?

[heady gate]

[Oct 15 | 13:30] National Assembly Audit (Hanni)

[sly python]

are we winning?

[wind monolith]

https://tenor.com/view/are-ya-winning-son-gif-18099517

[sly python]

yes exactly this lol

but also seriously asking

[ashen charm]

newjeans legit have no plans in 3q wtf hybe..

[wind monolith]

dont know tdy hanni going to national court, i think the 17th fraudor has shareholder meeting and 26th is the injunction result

its the waiting game

[copper current]

Hype is publicly bullying NewJeans now and don’t hide the fact they bully the girls anymore. It is like you all know how evil I am so yeah I am evil, what can you do?

[cerulean lake]

i’m missing peaceful kpop era from last year

around the same time as of now

[copper current]

It is bad to see NewJean being mistreated but someone needs to step up to let people know the ugliness of Hybe. I think NJ are doing good deeds. I am supporting them

~t https://x.com/talytokki/status/1845908034460987453

[narrow seal]

241014 talytokki Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/talytokki/status/1845908034460987453
Another quick reminder:

Hybe did not keep their promise about supporting NewJeans’ future comebacks. Instead it was just announced they canceled NewJeans first full length album, despite ADOR promising this highly anticipated album back in March…

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/newbrats/status/1845772990111199441

[narrow seal]

241014 newbrats Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/newbrats/status/1845772990111199441
hybe discrediting and downplaying newjeans success while saying they’re protecting their girl groups… this is INSANE!

[copper current]

Hybe is bullying and excluding NewJeans

[short laurel]

Hybe saying comfort the artists is a bad joke. If they really cared about artists, there wouldn't have been tour after tour, artists would be meeting with their families often, n there would've been no need for artists to get iv's so often.

[little gulch]

Will they broadcast Hanni Audit day?

[neon igloo]

Haerin and Hyein’s podcast about coffee turned out to be very interesting. The moment when Hyein talked about visiting MHJ’s house before their debut as it once again proves how MHJ cared deeply about the girls during the group selection process. Now Hyein has fond memories of trying an Einspanner with her CEO

[neon igloo]

Many wrote that there is usually a stream. Junn promised to share the link if it happens

[jolly junco]

What if HYBE request the audit to be held in private?

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/minyooniquee/status/1845738921701097937

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241014 minyooniquee Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/minyooniquee/status/1845738921701097937
armys created this narrative that mhj has her puppets. turns out it’s their bangpigd oppa who thinks everyone below him is his puppet.

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/Chijrooo/status/1845839840543494483

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241014 Chijrooo Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/Chijrooo/status/1845839840543494483
[단독] 고용부, ‘뉴진스 직장내 괴롭힘 논란’ 하이브에 “수평적 소통 지향” 평가
https://naver.me/FgHAAjWU

"고용노동부가 지난달 하이브를 ‘2024 대한민국 일자리 으뜸기업’으로 지정한 게 국감장 도마에 오를 예정이다. 고용부가 관련 심사에서 하이브에 대해 ‘수평적 소통 지향’한다고 평가했는데

[red thorn]

A year ago, ironic
https://theqoo.net/square/3442949395

[jolly junco]

What a load of BS he is doing the complete opposite of what he said

[marble cape]

man this is so sad to see i had the billboard in woman interview show up on my TL when they were asked about a tour and they sounded so excited

[ionic rain]

do we have a link for tha national assembly?

[modern fog]

wait for @hoary frost

[modern fog]

National Assembly Audit (Hanni)
https://kick.com/idolverse

https://www.youtube.com/live/bu8zO-c27fQ
https://www.youtube.com/live/_rpchkmClu4
https://www.youtube.com/live/kh5cY5Hm0Q8

[jolly junco]

can you pin this?

[modern fog]

I'll pin it later

[hoary frost]

https://www.youtube.com/live/_rpchkmClu4?si=D9tDMh1KRMfG4d4q

[jolly junco]

hahah i think every news will stream it later

[heady gate]

I am wondering what is the viewership count of the National Assembly broadcast.

[elfin pewter]

🍀🍀

[vapid turret]

Good luck Hanni.

Have faith in her Bunnies.

[wind monolith]

does this assembly like have an outcome like a decision or something

i dont know how it works srry im confused

[tardy smelt]

i think the end goal is to create new laws that protect idols

[wind monolith]

okok

[jolly junco]

dont expect any result in a few months, even the go hara law took years to pass

[tardy smelt]

the immediate benefit for us is information

[fathom canopy]

Imagine the government create a new law named after hanni

[jolly junco]

yes, if the truth comes out it will be good enough for now

because it can be use at the court

[heady gate]

It is going to be called "NewJeans Act"

[jolly junco]

it took 6 years for Goo Hara law

[tardy smelt]

*x -c https://x.com/missingmedics/status/1846013431641432454

[harsh dove]

@missingmedics <t:1728958874:d>

other fandoms at inkigayo meanwhile tokkis posted up at government offices, this is so sick

[tardy smelt]

lol

[orchid field]

I think they pushed it back from 12 to 1:30 so people could eat lunch haha

[heady gate]

I was thinking 1pm

[wheat raft]

I pray netizens dont bully hanni

[hoary frost]

links pls

[modern fog]

pinned

[shut kelp]

anyone know if what they're talking about right now has to do with hanni or the hybe/ador vs mhj?

[waxen musk]

They're not talking right now. The room is empty on lunch break. What are you watching?

[shut kelp]

this?

[waxen musk]

Oh the stream I'm watching shows an empty room.

[shut kelp]

this is what i see

[waxen musk]

Yeah it depends on which stream you're watching. I can only assume it's a replay from earlier.

[shut kelp]

ahh i see

[modern fog]

replay

[waxen musk]

I don't know, jsut assuming.

[waxen musk]

Dashiboki?

[modern fog]

yeah

more like -gi

[waxen musk]

I can read Hangul doesn't mean I understand it.

[shut kelp]

will we have a translator, translating the live?

[waxen musk]

Kick stream from Idolverse has live machine translation. Might not be accurate but better than nothing. Not sure if someone here will translate like they do other lives.

[red thorn]

Expecting korea joongang cover this up with they live translation like mhj presscon
Are they?

[modern fog]

||다시- again 보- watch 기- nominalization
transliteration: watch again||

[waxen musk]

Nice, now I'm fluent in Korean

[waxen panther]

oh literally just a replay ic

[hushed whale]

it says 2:30pm on idolverse now hmm

[unborn arrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iy60vB2VIQ for her arrival

[cosmic belfry]

It was mentioned it could get pushed back

[waxen musk]

What is this, an airport stream?

[shut kelp]

what is GP thoughts right now? were do they stand?

[ornate zephyr]

GP?

[waxen musk]

This whole situation is wild with the amount of news coverage, cameras on the door for her arrival, it being live. Her being questioned same time as new CEO so if CEO lies Hanni will be right there to hear it.

[pastel umbra]

general public? like the korean gp?

[shut kelp]

yes

not international fans cause i already know what they think

[half knot]

do you though, people's opinions are not unified, no fandom, population, or otherwise is a monolith

[waxen musk]

Fans is the wrong word lol. Tokkis are all supportive.

[shut kelp]

also has any idol ever done this thing hanni did?

[red thorn]

Who knows what actually kr gp thought, gotta survey or random street interview something

[pastel umbra]

I think the general reception in Korea is at the very least much more positive compared to what you'd see on western social media, but that's an assumption at best

[ornate zephyr]

korean gp is pretty divided but its not against newjeans themselves its against mhj

[shut kelp]

idc about them the korea GP and tokkis are the ones i kinda care about tbh

[ornate zephyr]

so its more mhj vs hybe than it is nj vs hybe

[half knot]

I don't think any active idol has been to the national assembly as witness, but some former idols were invited before to speak about the bad parts of the industry

as recently as last month

[shut kelp]

hmm okay hopefully hanni's appearance changes the kpop industry

[tawdry vessel]

mhj, nj, and tokkis vs hybe

[shut kelp]

and more ppl come out about company bullying

[hoary frost]

is it starting?

[ornate zephyr]

N

[half knot]

oh things got busy

[shut kelp]

looks like hanni might be arriving the way ppl are gathering?

[eager hamlet]

https://www.youtube.com/live/_rpchkmClu4

anyone know what they talkin about here

[shut kelp]

supposedly its a replay

[ornate zephyr]

thats a replay

[shut kelp]

nothing to do with whats happening right now

[ornate zephyr]

they're in recess

[eager hamlet]

ohh i see

[hoary frost]

They're on lunch break right now. They will resume in one hour.

[waxen panther]

hey junnn

will u do a live trans later?

[hollow adder]

1 hr? i thought it was 30 mins

[hoary frost]

Sorry I'm at the work now

[shut kelp]

it got pushed back

[waxen panther]

no problem junnn thanks

[light hornet]

Can someone ping if they started talking about hybe issue and if they show hanni? Please 🙏

[shy schooner]

so much pressure

[waxen musk]

She's here

[unborn arrow]

FIGHTING

[tardy smelt]

do we go to live chat

[waxen musk]

Wow everyone's here for her

[half knot]

chaos lol

[sage pilot]

These journalists are like vultures. Stay strong our Pham

[copper jetty]

Hanni's here!!!!

[light hornet]

We're on your side hanni!! ✊🏻

[red thorn]

Live chat opened

[ornate zephyr]

lol they're checking ID's in the building

[half knot]

the nerves it takes for somebody to do this is crazy especially not in their native language

[modern fog]

yap in https://discord.com/channels/948917131989381173/1003471018037366845

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/breadluvpham/status/1846048654291067030

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241015 breadluvpham Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/breadluvpham/status/1846048654291067030
The difference in face when you attend the National Assembly.

the guilty person innocent person

[short lynx]

Because she knows that she is

[ocean arch]

Is she gonna cry in front of everyone one and make them uncomfortable again ?

[vapid turret]

I saw a tidbit of the video I could hear the stuttering from that guilty one.

When they stutter and fumble you know they're lying.

[heady gate]

*x https://x.com/phamenamis/status/1846050127879807049

[harsh dove]

@phamenamis <t:1728967623:d>

[ocean arch]

Literally bsh clone

[vapid turret]

BTW who's the glasses lady?

[tardy smelt]

ador ceo

[astral dust]

*x -c https://x.com/minj1bear/status/1846045933743603955?s=46&t=kXGhBk_3DiP7ccDDKf8qcQ

alex. 🧸 (@MINJ1BEAR) on X

since everyone is talking about translations, please be mindful of the source before you post!! we’ve seen firsthand how quickly misinformation can spread because of incorrect translations. love you all, hanni phamting!!! 🐰💗💗

Twitter · Oct 15, 2024, 4:30 AM

[harsh dove]

:warning: Tweet with id 1846045933743603955 does not contain any media!

[vapid turret]

Oh their new "Boss"

Once again I could hear her stuttering and struggling to get words out

She's soooo guilty

I don't even understand a lick of Korean but I know when someone is struggling to tell the truth. Which reminds me is it true that it's a felony to lie under oath in Korea as well?

[tardy smelt]

i won't lie, i kind of pity her position rn, i do wonder how much of this has been her fault

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/NJBUBBLEGUM/status/1846052928916017479

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241015 NJBUBBLEGUM Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/NJBUBBLEGUM/status/1846052928916017479
Channel A news Youtube live moderator's comment: I personally do not play golf, I like swimming!
😏

[tardy smelt]

lol

[modern fog]

lmfao

[heady gate]

She is replaceable. 😅

[copper current]

I don't have one ounce of pity for enemy, she hurts or NJ hurt and i will choose her happily

[vapid turret]

She'll be better off being replaced anyway. Even if they can't get MHJ back anyone else is better than her.

[tardy smelt]

and please let it be someone not related to any of the snakes

[heady gate]

I found one

[vapid turret]

LOLZ

Just because he founded BTS doesn't make him king of the biz

K-pop should be about having fun and allowing the singers to have fun while performing.

[cerulean lake]

BTS made him not the other way 🤭

he’s lucky they are talented and dedicated enough

[vapid turret]

And yet Jungkook supports the girls

[modern fog]

reminder to not get out of the topic

[cerulean lake]

sorry 🙏 i will refrain

[vapid turret]

Still I know body language well when someone is smiling and the other is a nervous wreck you know who's truthful.

[modern fog]

[heady gate]

It is 2:06pm KST. Lets go

[vapid turret]

I gotta shower and go to bed I know Hanni will do well. Just need double confirmation when I get up.

[tawdry vessel]

y'all bullying while fighting against bullying

😭

[vapid turret]

Hey only the person harming the girls

[slender jungle]

that doesnt justify it lmfao u just become a hypocrite

[hoary frost]

guys so today we are gonna get to know whats gonna happen or?

[copper current]

https://youtu.be/rm_fh5oKUHw?si=rzjEYHuswPaIaC0M

[hoary frost]

what happened so far?

[tardy smelt]

they've only just arrived

it'll start in about 15 mins

[short lynx]

Oh

[hoary frost]

Hanni;

I would like to thank the congressmen for this opportunity.
I think this spot is about harassment in the workplace, and I have some thoughts from my own experience with harassment. I think that if we respect each other as human beings, the problem of harassment in the workplace will disappear.

Thank you for your interest in this issue. I hope that many of my peers don't have to go through this.

I would like to say to those who say they are sorry for making me go through this in Korea.
I come to Korea to do what I love to do with my favorite members. You don't need to apologize.

The people who really need to apologize are hiding now.

Thank you for saying that the Australian Embassy will also support me.

Finally, if I have to appear again, I will try harder to study Korean so that I can appear, thank you.

[tardy smelt]

https://x.com/nwjnsbts/status/1846076196468957481

☘︎ (@nwjnsbts) on X

HANNI at the National Assembly Environment and Labor Committee’s state audit.

- a thread of all the main points discussed (no specific order)

Twitter · Oct 15, 2024, 6:30 AM

i think we'll have to wait again to see if actions will actually be taken. i don't see the information today tipping the scales for us immediately.

[novel fiber]

https://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/news/2024-10-15/national/socialAffairs/NewJeans-Hanni-arrives-at-the-National-Assembly--in-pictures/2155312

[hoary frost]

The replay has been uploaded.

https://www.youtube.com/live/lMk9XC3zBUc?si=xPoI1KLk_Oky1Jce

[sour scaffold]

What’s next after this?

[half knot]

I don't believe that was ever the goal in their minds, it's moreso to overcome the heavy handed HYBE blockage and mediaplay

this isn't something that can just get filed away at least, it'll get coverage and some awareness, perhaps not like how MHJ's presscon was, but still something

[tardy smelt]

24th BELIFT CEO will be called to the National Assembly, which is a bit of a tangent
25th is the due date for HYBE and MHJ to supply more documentation for the injunction
26th or later is the injunction decision

[short laurel]

https://x.com/kchartsmaster/status/1846081094124220531?t=BHytDHIdUuj45ByvyDuK1Q&s=19

Kpop Charts (@kchartsmaster) on X

Park Hongbae from Democratic Party of Korea:

— “Bang Si-hyuk, the chairman of HYBE, who caused the controversy, is not here. I think we need to realise the seriousness of the situation within the company, not just be huffing and puffing about it in the US.”

Twitter · Oct 15, 2024, 6:50 AM

[stiff prairie]

hope they bring up dispatch stuff in front of hybe exec

[red thorn]

Weren't there talk about further investigation mentioned by the NA

[steel depot]

finally, someone said it

[modern fog]

somebody do a tldr

[stiff prairie]

on the deleted footage yes

[tardy smelt]

#1231839760759263232 message

[hoary frost]

I just read hybe covered up a death by overworking that true?

[modern fog]

thanks

[half knot]

one of the politicians brought it up in questioning yeah

since the ador current ceo is also head of HR at HYBE

[hoary frost]

any translation of her response?

[stiff prairie]

it was a claim but needs whole ahh police investigation before it's confirmed as legit

[half knot]

#live-chat message

[tardy smelt]

i'm lowkey skeptical if this will turn out to be all talk no walk rn is all, it's just gonna take a long ass time to find out

[half knot]

I just don't think this was meant to achieve anything for NJ or MHJ vs. HYBE conflict, this was more so a PR move to get press coverage for all this and maybe damage HYBE's reputation a bit more.

[stiff prairie]

the dealings with media also wasn't brought up

[half knot]

at least from the perspective of the adults who organized this all

[stiff prairie]

hope these things come up against hybe execs if they decide to attend

[tardy smelt]

yeah, that's the extent of the results i'm seeing rn

[half knot]

in the long term though for artists, idols, actors, etc. as a whole, I hope they classify those under long-term exclusive contracts as actual employees rather than gig workers

that needs a change in the laws and regulations.

[tawdry vessel]

it will when nj decide to terminate contract

[stiff prairie]

i think this is what the whole audit was about mainly

[half knot]

I am still quite skeptical if they'll do that

[stiff prairie]

not just winning against hybe

[heady gate]

After this hearing, I hope more artists will come forward in the future. I believe workplace bullying is common in the Korean music industry.

[half knot]

it's common in every part of korean society unfortunately

its presence in the entertainment workplace is just an extension of the overall workplace culture in korea

[short laurel]

Yea i hope hanni coming guves confidence to alot more idols to speak out

[half knot]

it should be noted though that the national assembly had some former idols there just last month to speak about many of these same issues https://www.bizhankook.com/bk/article/28332

[stiff prairie]

it's hard for less popular artists. a fromis idol said we have fans too about cb and stuff but had to appologize the day after

[half knot]

so it's sort of an ongoing political conversation there

[short laurel]

Ooh nice, they got words for old n new so everyone is aware of the issue now.

[hoary frost]

https://vxtwitter.com/njbubblegum/status/1846086057525498243?s=46&t=lncf7vo09FEx5ZDvXg81LA

[hoary frost]

its not that their less popular its bcuz they are managed by a hybe lapdog

[half knot]

the fact that idols tied into unbreakable 7 year exclusive contracts are treated as gig workers, given no minimum wage, nearly none of the labor rights afforded to regular employees, etc. is really weird

[tardy smelt]

okay yeah, i understand the goal now and the purpose of today

[stiff prairie]

i mean yeah they are in that situation cause of hybe but we have a stronger fandom that brought this issue directly to politicians which helped

[half knot]

I hate to say it but it's because NJ has a lot of older male fans

that's why this was able to be brought up at this level.

[modern fog]

from @nwjnsbts on twt https://x.com/nwjnsbts/status/1846076196468957481

HANNI at the National Assembly Environment and Labor Committee’s state audit.

a thread of all the main points discussed (no specific order)

🦦Recently I saw on Blind, HYBE employees cursing at NewJeans & I heard the recording of the HYBE PR team downplaying our Japan debut success
🦦Seeing this it confirmed that what I was feeling wasn’t just a feeling
🦦I knew that the company (HYBE) hated us
https://x.com/nwjnsbts/status/1846077721299849727

Hanni mentioned not only the greeting incident but also malicious comments from employees on Blind and Cho Sung-hoon's recorded conversation, revealing that the feeling of the entire company bullying NewJeans has become a reality.
https://x.com/nwjnsbts/status/1846077726072967201

🦦This is something that could happen to anyone. I attended the parliamentary audit because I believe that this should not happen to colleagues, seniors, juniors, or trainees.
https://x.com/nwjnsbts/status/1846077730921521170

🦦: If I were to say here that I hope things will go well from now on, it seems like it would just be glossed over. Before talking about the future, I hope you resolve the current situation
https://x.com/nwjnsbts/status/1846077735908585920

🦦sorry but i don’t think you(KJY) did your best! there’s more that u can do, also u keep saying u will protect us if u really want to protect us you have no choice but to fight for us. but you don’t fight for us, there’s also no sort of action, so i don’t think you did your best
https://x.com/nwjnsbts/status/1846078811852489100

🦦Since debut, we greeted staff and supervisors but they didn’t respond. I thought it was due to being a foreigner or cultural difference but I later realized that ignoring greetings is disrespectful, regardless of status
https://x.com/nwjnsbts/status/1846079403517792606

👨‍⚖️ Ms. Kim Jooyoung, before you were a director at ADOR, you were the Chief Human Resources Officer (CHRO) at HYBE, right?
It’s your responsibility to mediate conflicts between labels, so why are you using the title of director to avoid it?
https://x.com/nwjnsbts/status/1846079603040817633

👨‍⚖️Just because they(idols) earn high salary doesn't mean they aren't employees. Why do you assume they can’t be a tagret of group bullying?
https://x.com/nwjnsbts/status/1846079824386789831

“Hanni, thank you again for coming today. You said this isn’t just about NewJeans, but your juniors too. Because you came today, I’m sure those artists will be able to thrive in a better environment now”
https://x.com/nwjnsbts/status/1846080064263201163

🦦The artists and trainees may have different contracts but what isn’t different is that we are all human There seems to be a lot of people who look over this so i wanted to reiterate this.
https://x.com/nwjnsbts/status/1846080330748313893

Hwanno Committee member said a worker died from overwork at HYBE in September 2022.. he died in the office from overwork while working all night, and there was no industrial accident report, and there is suspicion that it was covered up as a 'personal illness'.
https://x.com/nwjnsbts/status/1846081342959747441

🦦there's no need to apologize, I met (NewJeans) members, and staff in Korea that I love so much and think of as family. I don't know why you're sorry when I'm doing what I want to do..
Those who do something wrong avoid these kinds of places
https://x.com/nwjnsbts/status/1846083816487592026

🦦And finally, if I have to come out here again, I will study Korean hard, and I will come out. Thank you very much and thank you for your hard
https://x.com/nwjnsbts/status/1846084096922980791

👨‍⚖️Bang Si-hyuk, the chairman of HYBE, who caused the controversy, is not here. I think we need to realize the seriousness of the situation within the company, not just be having fun in the US
https://x.com/nwjnsbts/status/1846085846635516079

Replay: https://www.youtube.com/live/lMk9XC3zBUc

☘︎ (@nwjnsbts) on X

HANNI at the National Assembly Environment and Labor Committee’s state audit.

- a thread of all the main points discussed (no specific order)

Twitter · Oct 15, 2024, 6:30 AM

[stiff prairie]

i think they have both. i thought about it a while ago. nj has two sides of fandom. the young ones are because nj was popping when they started getting into kpop and the older ones are from the nostalgia factors their music and mv brings

[hoary frost]

lol NJs just have a lot of fans in general male fans might have help in this situation but it doesn’t mean they dominate the fanbase

[red thorn]

The Aus embassy was worried they contacted her parents

[buoyant hamlet]

There was a study that a majority of the NJ fan demographic is 20's and female, so this isn't true

[stiff prairie]

plus this. i saw chart a few days ago in twt and most fans are women in 20s or 30s i don't remember

[hoary frost]

it is album purchase demographic

[warm shard]

female fans tend to be more dedicated, that's why some of these boy groups have such longevity

[buoyant hamlet]

https://x.com/Mininini164858/status/1842947727765962850

Mininini (@Mininini164858) on X

Girlgroup albums mostly consumed by women:
- IVE (72%)
- newjeans (65%)
- aespa (54%)

Girlgroup albums mostly consumed by men:
- Illit (69%)
- Le sserafim (60%)

Twitter · Oct 6, 2024, 3:19 PM

[stiff prairie]

it correlates to fans as whole

[neon igloo]

I`m still in shock from this

National Assembly: Our office received a report that in February 2022, a HYBE employee collapsed at the office and passed away after being taken to the hospital. Is that true? As far as I know, this happened in September 2022.

KYJ: Yes, in September. The employee entered the rest area around 5 p.m. to take a nap, but unfortunately, he collapsed. We found him and took him to the hospital, but a few days later, he passed away from an illness, which was a very unfortunate personal health condition.

[half knot]

they then settled with the family to avoid investigation

[stiff prairie]

baiscally overwork. unless he had some illness since long before

[red thorn]

This from 1st fanmeeting
There should be new survey

[half knot]

between those two stats, the fandom's pretty balanced in terms of male and female huh

kind of reminds me of SNSD fandom which was similar for many years

[stiff prairie]

that one dude in 50s fangirling newjeans

[neon igloo]

I'm rewatching her words overall (I speak about KYJ), and she speaks like a robot. She has a clearly scripted set of responses

[hoary frost]

anyways, to the main topic, i hope what hanni did today further pushes industry to implement laws that protect trainees and idols. we also should remember that only 1% of idol groups are top and high salary earners. majority of them are barely surviving and are exploited with unfavorable contract terms. even tho some idols earn high salaries, the contracts and relationship with agency is still favorable to agency, so i dont understand how there are not laws that protects idols or other professions that fall in "grey area". especially the fact that trainees are scouted when they are 8-10 years old and drop out from schools without any guarantee to debut and so many minors debut. i feel like the changes are long overdue. i hope that there will be ripple effect after today and contracts and laws will be gradually improved and implemented to create better and balanced working environment

[half knot]

not calling names, but she's a typical HR lady

[stiff prairie]

hybe prolly drilled her what to say in response to what for weeks

[tardy smelt]

not many other thoughts about today, time to hold our breath again for the injunction decision

[half knot]

idols are basically contracted sometimes indentured servitude employees that somehow don't have many of the labor rights afforded to regular hourly wage laborers, and salaried employees.

[hoary frost]

i remember ex hybe employee left review on hybe and said HR is the weakest and incompetent

[half knot]

every year there are hundreds of them debuting and only 1-5 individual or groups have a true breakthrough to make their time as idols worth it.

[limber willow]

[half knot]

one small relief at least is that many of them come from upper middle class to upper class families and are mostly doing this for the heck of it because they can.

but that also means for many of them they are sacrificing a normal childhood, teenagerhood, school days experience, and often their 20's as well, for a chance at fame and fortune.

That's not to say many of them don't take full advantage of their idol status to do questionable, sometimes criminal things though, as there has been plenty of examples of that too especially on the male idol side of things. But the rate of change in the laws and regulations in south korea has been too slow to adapt to this evergrowing industry sadly.

[hoary frost]

i think newjeans fans are a bit different than normal so these stats are really not that important most die hard fans of other groups are parasocials but i think njs fans are mostly music fans

[half knot]

not very good at HR, definitely awful at PR, not a lot of original creativity coming out of their music or concepts ... what exactly is HYBE good at other than wasting money buying foreign labels and companies and burning up cash chasing IT and gaming aspirations?

[short laurel]

Brainwashing fans

[mild mist]

Also fromis in the second category there, I believe

[hoary frost]

scam tbh

[short laurel]

I keep forgetting fromis are under hybe.

[stiff prairie]

what are they putting money in? what games? never heard of one. i'll put my conspiracy hat on and say there's some level of laundering going on fo sho

[half knot]

of course there is, BSH creating a small subsidiary to buy his villas in LA for example

[sonic olive]

Simple question

[half knot]

I've never heard of these technology or gaming aspirations HYBE has getting anywhere despite the hundreds of millions they've put into it

[sonic olive]

Will we win this ?

[half knot]

depends on what your conditions of winning are

[short laurel]

Battle is still long.

[sonic olive]

Will old ador come back ?

[short laurel]

War is still long, this was just 1 battle.

[wind monolith]

Wait till next friday

[stiff prairie]

that will depend on court results

[half knot]

I doubt it'll come back in its entirety, but I think a compromise is still not outside the realms of possibility

[tardy smelt]

have you seen their hybe 2.0 plans? they're putting everything into tech

[half knot]

smh, money laundering company

[sonic olive]

Im scared when the new ceo says “we just went to ador like half month and pls give us time” im scared that nj members will truly GIVES that time.

[half knot]

they will collapse eventually at the same rate that they rose suddenly to the top

[hoary frost]

lol i think its bcuz bsh is really an unlikable person he didn’t have much connections in the korean music industry thats why he got most of his executives from the gaming industry from his brothers connection

[red thorn]

They have game company, Hybe IM I think, their game Knight of Veda is blatantly plagiarism of other game haha

[stiff prairie]

nah they won't. plus it's not upto them anyway

[half knot]

seems par for the course in that company

[sonic olive]

My minds says upside

[stiff prairie]

never heard of the game. hope ppl pirates it only

[short laurel]

Bet it'll be super heavily monetized with idols in it so stans spend money blindly

Wait that already exists

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2484250/ASTRA_Knights_of_Veda/#:~:text=ASTRA%3A Knights of Veda is,normality back to the world
This?

Steam

ASTRA: Knights of Veda

Fantasy is inherently brutal, yet therein lies its haunting beauty.ASTRA: Knights of Veda soars beyond the boundaries of fantasy as you know it.The continent wilts under the tyranny of 'Mad King' Magnus, shrouded in death and anguish. Guided by Veda's wings, the new 'Master of the Book' steps out into the darkness. Embark on an adventure through...

▶ Play video

[red thorn]

Pardon the offtopic but It's fantasy style gacha game

[limber willow]

also rhythm hive

[short laurel]

So yea hard monitized

[cerulean lake]

i just hope this incident creates a standard within the industry itself. i see too many people downplaying it to just a greeting but there’s so much nuance behind it and idk why it’s so hard for people to see 😪✊

[short laurel]

Reviews are either too good or just bad, too good feels weirdly too good so maybe paid reviews cuz mismatch is insane

[cerulean lake]

didn’t past creatives call him out for taking their ideas too and not properly compensating them? 🫠

[short laurel]

Yea my msg above that was jab at it.

[mild mist]

So do hybe

[mild mist]

Maybe they were making concord

[short laurel]

The dancer whose choreography was taken for runext without permission, she got so much hate for calling this out.

[hoary frost]

yea no creative person wants to work with him bcuz of his inferiority complex except some money hungry incels

[shy schooner]

Won't be the same anymore

[acoustic valve]

It's all been messed up, but just wanted to share a cute moment from today

[valid sierra]

https://www.reddit.com/r/kpop_uncensored/comments/1g4293d/in_september_2022_a_hybe_employee_died_from/

[half knot]

followed by this

[valid sierra]

look at the downvotes on those speaking against hybe

[hoary frost]

the downvotes

[short laurel]

Chat in live stream was so disgusting

[jolly junco]

hahah hard core company stan

[acoustic valve]

it's reddit... what do u expect

[mild mist]

Not even
That one saying "this is a bad thing" even got downvoted

[short laurel]

So all kpop reddits are run by hybe employees

[cerulean lake]

reddit has the worse hybe shooters how are they worse than twitter

actual brainrots 😪

[short laurel]

I expected with kpop_uncencorsed name, they'll let sub run bit wild but nope.

[cerulean lake]

the fact they act so above twitter when they’re sometimes even worse 🤭

all they do is spew long paragraphs and think they’re so much better than other platforms

[short laurel]

Reddit is hybe eco chamber, twitter is somewhat balanced between all sides of argument

[acoustic valve]

Reddit is just an extremely easy platform to brigade and control if you have enough people who are dedicated to an unhealthy degree. Clearly, no one holds a match to a certain fandom that loves Hybe in terms of being rabid and obsessed.

not only in kpop; Reddit is known as the platform where discourse goes to die for most contentious topics. I wouldn't worry too much about it.

[short laurel]

It's good place for quick help on tech stuff. Things where it's not opinion but facts

[red thorn]

Ironically for i-kpop opinions on internet they're mostly real people that either stan-volunteer-anti or public that eat up the nitpicky pieces from twt anti acc, clickbait portal news, etc.
For korean internet forum opinions, the buzzers/part-timers or even bot from any parties involved isn't out of question

[stiff prairie]

it's good for opinionated stuff too when there's no winner or loser as a result of the discourse. it becomes cancer on topics that involve people's core beliefs like politics, religion and in this case kpop

[short laurel]

yea

[cedar saffron]

wtf man

[orchid field]

just block r/kpop and r/kpopuncensored

[cinder verge]

so what are the results of the national assembly ive been busy, what can i expect to happen, did anything change?

[tardy smelt]

nothing immediate

read the pinned summary, make what you will out of it

[stray pilot]

up up

[short laurel]

things with national assembly can take years be4 new law is made or make changes in existing laws.

[cinder verge]

bruh so basically NOTHING gonna happen wtf man

[short laurel]

wrong, this is a start, actually it was started already by other artists. and industry will change for the better. so it's not nothing.

and it's now in public more than be4. so more public support.

[cinder verge]

hmm seems like good long term change but nothing immediate for newjeans

[ocean arch]

Hanni gonna start idol/artist union

[short laurel]

today's assembly no one had any expectation for immediate change. that's how these are.

what we should look forward too is injunction on 26th. and more on hybe on 24th at national assembly if u want.

[jolly junco]

dont say that, if today's audit didnt happen the whole world wont know how fcked up hybe is

things will change, slowly. Not immediately

[cinder verge]

ur right, i just want change for newjeans so badly already

[jolly junco]

*x -c https://x.com/breadluvpham/status/1846117203458118021

[harsh dove]

@breadluvpham <t:1728983615:d>

Fraudor CEO : "I'm also frustrated hearing Hanni, I also want to help her"

HANNI : 🙂🙃
IJBOLLLLLLL😭😭😭😭

[hoary frost]

still can’t believe other fandoms are downplaying their experience just because their faves are apparently getting hate from bots in the internet like its not the same lol

[short laurel]

cuz they don't support their idols but the company. what hanni did today is for every artists or rather every contract workers doing big or small jobs in korea. anyone who downplay this are fools.

[ionic rain]

did we win?

just wake up

[valid sierra]

https://m.entertain.naver.com/article/609/0000909354

are artists classified as freelance and not workers?

[ionic rain]

none of the artists are classified as worker

that's why is so hard to apply working laws to the companies

part of this assembly was to recognize artists as workers so they can provide support using the laws

[jolly junco]

well they should have, these "artist" are the one bring money to korea, to make south korea famous in the world

[valid sierra]

damn, thats weird considering they have contract with hybe. that explains the part i read about labor code not being totally applicable to their situation

[lost violet]

i have a qs if hanni wins what will happen?

[ionic rain]

the matter is bigger than should and shouldn't, it's the way it always has been so they never changed

it need some big influential movement (such as an idol going to the national assembly adress workplace bullying) to make the congress and/or companies to take action

[valid sierra]

theres no "win" in audit. they only find ways to improve the current norms and laws

[lost violet]

ohh ok thanks for the info i dont know what does audit means

[jolly junco]

how can they be so stup*d 😭

i'm speechless

[tawdry vessel]

hybe getting publicly humiliated is a win in my book

[tawdry vessel]

that's a bad bot

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1288826478624247868.gif?size=48

[steep torrent]

https://x.com/phamkuromi/status/1846116533896204750?s=46

Chericheri／(≧ x ≦)＼🍒🍀 (@Phamkuromi) on X

Call out @PopBase and @kchartsmaster for their biased behavior; they have STARTED DELETING posts that are unfavorable to HYBE. This is truly disturbing behavior.

These media lets are all blinded by money, prioritizing profit over humanity.

Twitter · Oct 15, 2024, 9:10 AM

[red thorn]

Either money or threat

[hoary frost]

lmao hybe quick with it wish they can do the same abt their idols oh wait i forgot bsh strat is to create drama and tension to strengthen the fans connection

[ionic rain]

sniper21....

[neon igloo]

I just hope that after today's revelations about the death of employee, even more HYBE fans will open their eyes to the situation and look at everything from a different perspective. They may not like MHJ, but they simply cannot ignore the way HYBE treats its artists

[ionic rain]

wow what happened?

[neon igloo]

u can check my post or this https://x.com/nwjnsbts/status/1846081342959747441

☘︎ (@nwjnsbts) on X

Hwanno Committee member said a worker died from overwork at HYBE in September 2022.. he died in the office from overwork while working all night, and there was no industrial accident report, and there is suspicion that it was covered up as a 'personal illness'.

Twitter · Oct 15, 2024, 6:51 AM

[red thorn]

https://x.com/juantokki/status/1846087148388401152

1tokki (@juantokki) on X

"It wasn’t due to a personal illness... The employee was young, and at the time, other employees mourned and attended the funeral, and the family of the deceased even wrote a post in the company’s internal community, thanking everyone for their support... And they didn’t even

Twitter · Oct 15, 2024, 7:14 AM

It was employee

[neon igloo]

It doesn’t matter how you refer to him: whether as just an employee or a young artist, the fact remains that a person died AT THEIR WORKPLACE

[jolly junco]

which post actually?

[jolly junco]

not artist, its an office staff

[jolly junco]

well they dont see artist as human, the HYBE CHIEF HR just said so at the NA

[short laurel]

employee, not artists.

ooh

[neon igloo]

I know, guys, I know, the original version mentions just an employee, but theoretically, it could have been a trainee, but okay, I edited it

[jolly junco]

yeah we dont want any misinfo spread from our njcord

[neon igloo]

full ver

• Oh, you've worked for a long time. So, you served as the head of human resources at HYBE?

• Yes, that's correct.

• I believe this position requires not only understanding the working conditions of employees but also taking responsibility for them. Are the working hours and rest periods of HYBE employees properly ensured?

• Yes, HYBE takes into account the specific nature of the entertainment industry by offering unlimited annual leave and a flexible working hours system.

• I understand that the entertainment industry involves a lot of overtime, especially with overseas activities, meaning that many employees likely work at night as well. Our office received a report that in February 2022, a HYBE employee collapsed at the office and passed away after being taken to the hospital. Is that true? As far as I know, this happened in September 2022.

• Yes, in September. The employee entered the rest area around 5 p.m. to take a nap, but unfortunately, he collapsed. We found him and took him to the hospital, but a few days later, he passed away from an illness, which was a very unfortunate personal health condition.

• We believe that at that time, HYBE employees faced a significant expansion of subsidiaries, cared for several idol groups at once, and had to manage overseas schedules, often working without breaks. We confirmed with the Workers' Welfare Corporation that no claims for industrial accidents were filed. You said it was due to illness, but we believe this should have been investigated as it appears to be a case of death from overwork. Are you saying this was not an attempt to cover up death from overwork?

• Honorable member, HYBE has never attempted to cover up anything. Such things never happen.

• You didn’t file for compensation, did you?

• Yes, that was the decision of the family.

• Yes, that’s how cover-ups usually happen—by agreement with the family. Please check the situation and the case details and provide us with a report. I will conclude. Harsh working conditions in the entertainment industry have been a long-standing issue. So-called "passion pay" is when workers are underpaid while being driven by dreams.

[jolly junco]

clock it, i hope the family of the deceased will come clean about this

[neon igloo]

Yes, we can really expect new details

I watched and translated the entire hour-long video into English. Truly important matters were discussed today, I just hope it won't remain a discussion

[red thorn]

What was the answer to the NA question regarding KYJ avoided mediation as HR about cctv

[celest zinc]

I LOVE YOU HANNI

[neon igloo]

Can you give me some more details? I'll try to find them in my messages. o h I see, one min

[valid sierra]

considering that the family didnt report this, i would guess that hybe settled with the family to stop them from suing hybe. i dont think the family will step up

[short laurel]

I believe this position requires not only understanding the working conditions of employees but also taking responsibility for them. Are the working hours and rest periods of HYBE employees properly ensured?
Yes, HYBE takes into account the specific nature of the entertainment industry by offering unlimited annual leave and a flexible working hours system.

I really hope artists come under this protection very soon. Hybe says they do this to employees while their idols are overworked.

[red thorn]

You remember it?
This question https://x.com/juantokki/status/1846074108444135916?t=V0I_xUTREHyiL5Ih-QH5YQ&s=19

1tokki (@juantokki) on X

👨‍⚖️: Ms. Kim Jooyoung, before you were a director at ADOR, you were the Chief Human Resources Officer (CHRO) at HYBE, right?
It’s your responsibility to mediate conflicts between labels, so why are you using the title of director to avoid it?

Twitter · Oct 15, 2024, 6:22 AM

[jolly junco]

i want to know what they will do about the "deleted" cctv

will they pursue this matter or not?

[limber willow]

yall still going

[hoary frost]

the passion pay is really on point considering how they release a docu of idols hooking iv drips and passing out to show them being “resilient” they just really be digging their own graves

I truly hope that they resolve this issue and close this chapter because it’s clear the incident is really hurting Newjeans, especially Hanni. It’s clear that she doesn’t trust anyone at HYBE and I wonder how they will continue to work together if there is so much tension in the building. :/

[cosmic belfry]

Unlimited PTO is kinda a scam as it's meant to not pay them for unused PTO. Employees are deterred from taking it as affects their performance review and thus career.

[mild mist]

I think it's telling that I have never seen any trade union advocate for it

[neon igloo]

Okay I split it into two parts
Part 1
**NA said: **
What do you think about how your company Adore is handling this situation? Do you think it’s the right thing to do?

Hanni:
Initially, when I mentioned that we had no evidence, you said there was CCTV footage, but it only contained moments of greeting. I explained the situation clearly, and I don’t understand why only the greeting part is available, so I decided to check it myself. And indeed, as you said, only about 8 seconds of video with the greeting remained, and not 50 minutes later as you claimed, and the rest of the footage is missing. During the meeting with the security personnel and the CCTV administrator, I kept asking why the footage was missing because we clearly explained the situation, but throughout the meeting, the reasons for the absence of the footage kept changing: someone was busy, there were speech errors, and they said the video was deleted. At that time, I was really anxious because the director was silently changing everything, and being a foreigner — I’m Vietnamese and Australian — I couldn’t understand everything perfectly no matter how hard I tried. I recorded the meeting to ensure I wouldn’t miss anything important, and I have evidence that they are lying. But putting that aside, I’d like to ask Director KYJ if I could request to speak to the manager. Because if there is a misunderstanding, it’s better to resolve it.

[short laurel]

hanni still willing to resolve it peacefully if it is a misunderstanding.

[hoary frost]

Why can’t the manager own up to bullying? Why lie so much to this extent and delete evidence? I don’t think anyone ever got fired for this. He would have at least gotten a warning. Him gaslighting Hanni is actually a form of bullying.

[harsh dove]

@hst_tvasahi <t:1728968401:d>

[neon igloo]

Part 2
**NA: **
There was an 8-second video with a greeting, but the footage of what happened afterwards was missing from the CCTV. I hope any misunderstandings regarding this issue can be clarified. If there are misunderstandings, then yes, that's how you feel.

Alright, I understand. Have you ever reported the workplace harassment? And could you please explain what actions were taken in response to it?

KYJ:
Yes, honorable committee member, initially on June 13, I heard from HYBE that I was a member of the internal board of ADOR. After hearing this, I thought about the need to protect the artists and requested to check the CCTV footage. Additionally, the manager you mentioned is not a manager from our Adore company, but rather a manager from a different company that has a different CEO.

Nevertheless, I requested confirmation from that label regarding whether such incidents occurred with their artists and managers. Unfortunately, I also checked whether it was possible to restore the CCTV footage after its retention period had expired, taking whatever actions I could. However, it’s regrettable that, based on what we have internally assessed, the claims from both sides are conflicting. I believe in Hanni’s words and claims, and I am also trying to find evidence to support this, but unfortunately, I have not yet been able to secure any materials.

[hoary frost]

Makes me wonder; what on earth was discussed in those meetings? Seems the CEO and manager were unproductive and wasted their time. What’s so hard about solving this?

[onyx hearth]

Hanni is so brave

[hoary frost]

They said they can’t perform forensics but I wonder why🤔?

[drowsy crypt]

~t
https://x.com/hst_tvasahi/status/1846053391895876082?t=vUB0eZPrts8NpGg9RjqvhA&s=19

[narrow seal]

241015 hst_tvasahi Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/hst_tvasahi/status/1846053391895876082
【New Jeans “育ての親” いま何を思う？】

New Jeansの“育ての親”
ミン・ヒジン氏 を報ステが独占取材

代表解任後 世界初のTVインタビュー、
今夜の報道ステーションで放送します。

※予定変更の可能性があります。
#Bunnies
#뉴진스
#NewJeans

[jolly junco]

"Unfortunately, I also checked whether it was possible to restore the CCTV footage after its retention period had expired"

why is it the first 8 seconds where the CCTV showed them greetings each other not "expired"? But the later part had "expired"? who are you kidding me

[cosmic dagger]

[onyx hearth]

Hanni will pave the way for juniors🙏

[hoary frost]

The CEO is making it so damn hard for anyone to trust her

[jolly junco]

dont use this words. i hate this "pave the way" words now like ughhhhhhhhhhh

[neon igloo]

My hatest part
NA: If the manager is not from Adore, then which company is the manager from? Which label is the manager affiliated with? Another label?
KYJ: The manager is from a label that has a different CEO from another label

NA: The witness believes that in the case of workers, they should naturally be considered subjects of workplace harassment reporting, right? In the case of workers?
KYJ: Yes, that's correct.

NA: And wouldn't this also apply to artists?
**KYJ:**Currently, I understand that the issue of artists’ worker status is still under further discussion in the National Assembly. However, under the current law, artists are not considered workers. But regardless of whether someone is a worker or not, it's not important whether they are legally recognized as such. In our company, since we work closely with artists, mutual respect and collaboration between artists and our staff are incredibly important. For this reason, we have established a code of conduct based on mutual respect, and we are regularly providing internal guidelines and training. We are putting in a lot of effort to instill this as part of our organizational culture.

[onyx hearth]

Why tf not

Whats wrong with it OMGG☠️☠️

[hoary frost]

Exactly. No idol has ever been brave as Hanni she is definitely a good role model for juniors. Paving the way for anyone else who felt mistreated. That’s why Manon also showed support because she went through a similar situation.

[onyx hearth]

THANK U😭

[hoary frost]

is this a Japanese tv station?

[cosmic dagger]

oh its possibly tonight

[cosmic dagger]

yes

[bronze jetty]

to play devil’s advocate, “paving the way” can also be used as some form of entitlement because ‘senior’ fandoms use it. there’s nothing wrong with the phrase but it kinda takes away from the impact that people after them can make as well

like armys were spamming the national assembly livestream saying “bts paved the way” in this instance, paved the way for what? we were all watching for hanni

[cosmic dagger]

tonight 21:35~23:10

[short laurel]

army paved the way for bullying junior artists.

[hoary frost]

Just ignore them. Hanni is actually doing something meaningful so that word can be used here correctly

[short laurel]

idols overworked, idols on IV, idols not getting breaks for years and complaining about missing their families. yea nice respect artists gets under hybe.

[jolly junco]

yes i hate the words "pave the way" because of them

[hoary frost]

After all this, it’s a miracle Hanni mentally recovered from the ignore incident and showed up to the NA. I don’t have the guts to do that. It’s admirable.

[bronze jetty]

yes of course, it’s just hard because they’re a huge fandom. coming from the one direction fandom, i know how frustrating it can be because tokkis are so much smaller in size compared to them

[jolly junco]

and newjeans doesnt need to "pave some way", they just want to be happy doing the things they love with bunnies

[hoary frost]

Yep that’s true

[steep sun]

great of hanni to speak up about harassment/hate/bullying in the idol industry, now the fans just need to follow that advice too

[hoary frost]

But tokkies have shown throughout this situation that we are so much stronger than our size. This fandom fights so hard for the peace of members

[rain spade]

is the 24th na heariiing for plaigarism issue?

[jolly junco]

I bet MHJ will drop some bomb on that japan tv news interview

[bronze jetty]

yes of course, i’m not minimizing that but the armys misinfo has spread to my friends who aren’t nj stans and aren’t armys

[neon igloo]

NA: Ah, so in that case, we can consider ADOR as a subsidiary of HYBE, right? And the members of ADOR can also be seen as part of HYBE’s staff, including all the employees, correct?
KYJ: Legally speaking, they belong to a different legal entity, but they are part of the overall HYBE Labels.

NA: As you briefly mentioned earlier, in the 2023 Sustainability Management Report released by HYBE in May and June, it states that HYBE complies with labor laws, the Labor Standards Act, and related regulations to respect the human rights of its members. It also operates a channel where human rights violations can be reported and makes efforts to promptly address any received cases and prevent recurrence. Is that correct?
KYJ: Yes, that's correct.

NA: Looking at HYBE's human rights violation reporting process, it is specified that upon receiving a report, the Human Rights Management team verifies the related incident, investigates the facts, and takes appropriate actions. Is that correct?
KYJ: Yes, that's correct.

NA: Isn’t the first point about workplace bullying? Right? However, regarding members, there might be some legal differences, but it could be interpreted that members can include both regular employees and artists, correct?
KYJ: The workplace bullying mentioned here is somewhat limited to the members, but according to our separate respect behavior guidelines—meaning that members and artists should collaborate with mutual respect—we provide guidance to ensure that we work respectfully.

NA: In any case, artists should not have their human rights violated, and workplace bullying or harassment should not occur, right?
KYJ: Yes, that's correct.

NA: So, regarding what Hanni mentioned earlier about hearing comments to be ignored, Hanni reported this to CEO Kim Joo-young and requested appropriate action to be taken. It seems that you took various measures, such as checking CCTV footage. However, do you not think that the actions taken by this witness are somewhat inadequate? What do you think? Are there any shortcomings?
KYJ: Yes, I believe I took all the various actions I could as an internal director at Ador at that time. However, seeing Hanni feeling this way and reaching this point makes me reflect on whether there were areas where I could have done better.

[mild mist]

Undoubtedly

[hoary frost]

I wonder what she will say

[hoary frost]

I feel like KYJ not doing anything is a form of indirect bullying. Like leaving Nj all alone to fend for themselves

[jolly junco]

HYBE might be holding the rein in south korea with the way they pressured reporters, they forgot there are japan tv news 🤣

How clever of MHJ to do the interview with japan tv

[neon igloo]

true

[hoary frost]

And people say she’s not a genius. Watch the space! 🙌

[wheat raft]

shes probably just a puppet, which is why she doesnt dare to speak about the other labels or go against the higher higher ups

[red thorn]

Antis would paint her as pro japan

[short laurel]

not bullying but it's more of she not performing her duties as ceo.

[valid sierra]

*x https://x.com/se_yuj/status/1846127230780690434
holy fk. Hanni recorded their convo

[harsh dove]

@se_yuj <t:1728986005:d>

[jolly junco]

MHJ has been very quiet since last month, turns out she have a lot of bomb to be dropped

[hoary frost]

Is it abt the drama or just abt newjeans production process

https://youtu.be/02HAZ5E25k8

[hoary frost]

GodkkiTokki

[modern fog]

ㄱㅅ

[hoary frost]

Which in turn harms newjeans because it’s clear she’s not on their side, hence it’s bullying

[red thorn]

Well the title is [What do the New Jeans "foster parents" think now?]

[short laurel]

well yea. but i m talking about legally. there i don't think it'll be considered bullying.

[red thorn]

I think it depends, whether there's instruction/command/coercion from higher ups
Then she might be complicit

[onyx hearth]

Ok

[onyx hearth]

Ohh ok I see I wasn’t aware of that

[neon igloo]

I skip Hanni`s part
NA: Alright. Witness KYJ, do you have anything more to say?
KYJ: Yes, as Hanni mentioned, I will listen more attentively to the voices of the artists and work on strengthening communication. Additionally, I believe that, in the current situation where the claims of both parties differ, it is crucial to verify the facts. I will do my utmost to cooperate fully with the ongoing labor office investigation in order to clarify the facts.

NA: Labor Policy Directors (LPD), please step outside for a moment. Hani, please take your seat for a bit. The Supreme Court precedent and the International Labor Organization Convention prohibit workplace violence and harassment against any worker, regardless of the type of employment, correct?
LPD: Yes.

NA: For example, just because someone is not an employee under a labor contract, it doesn't mean workplace harassment can be tolerated, right? This wouldn't align with the spirit of the South Korean Constitution, would it?
LPD: It is indeed challenging to apply this under the Labor Standards Act.

NA: Yes, it may be difficult to apply the Labor Standards Act, but that doesn’t mean that those working in a workplace should be subject to human rights violations or harassment, no matter where they work. Isn’t that the case?
LPD: I completely agree that such incidents should never occur.

NA: Exactly. In this case, it shouldn’t be viewed merely as an issue related to a specific group or visibility. This symbolizes the issue of workers outside the scope of labor law protections. It shows the deficiencies in our system. The government and National Assembly need to address these blind spots if there are shortcomings. Do you agree?
LPD: Yes, I agree.

NA: Of course, considering the international agreements and Supreme Court precedents, there is a dispute over whether workplace harassment occurred against NewJeans members by their employer. Could you investigate this and report to the National Assembly before the comprehensive audit?
LPD: Currently, a petition has been submitted regarding health issues, and the regional office is investigating the claim and verifying the facts.

NA: Please investigate the facts and report to us.
LPD: Yes, I understand.

NA: Furthermore, beyond this case, we need to examine whether employers are violating their obligations to protect special types of workers across the country. Please consider investigating and educating on this matter and report back to us.
LPD: Yes, understood.

Then another part began to be discussed, so I stop

[hoary frost]

Hybe prolly got something agaisnt their lapdogs or something they all doing together it wouldnt be long till they start pointing at each other

[short laurel]

yea it'll depend on the details from investigation. but from what we have for now. she failed to do her duties to protect companies main asserts that are NJ. usually she would be let go. but she's hybe puppet like we know.
maybe it can be used to prove that hybe removing MHJ to harm NJ in legal court?

[lofty compass]

Is hanni ok?

[onyx hearth]

I hope so

[neon igloo]

Actually, they discussed a very interesting topic about who the artists belong to: their subsidiary label or the parent company. The official pointed out the loophole in the relationships within a multi-label strategy. You can always refer to it as another company’s action and turn a blind eye to the problems

[hoary frost]

I hope she is. Being ignored and then having to defend yourself in front of the government can be intimidating and emotionally damaging.

[lofty compass]

Oof sad

Hanni is crying in court

😢😭😭😭😭

I'm so heart broke she need defend herself

[lyric geyser]

So proud of Hanni

[lofty compass]

Fighting hanni

All bunnies with hanni

[mild mist]

Is it a court? I thought it was like a parliamentary select committee

[lofty compass]

Ya

I also dk is court

[lofty compass]

You are right is parliamentary select committee

[upbeat stream]

I'm getting a bad feeling about this. Maybe Hanni shouldn't have smirked like that, not because that CEO doesn't deserve it but because koreans may consider it brattish behavior

And hyein's profile update some people are interpreting as support for democratic party, thankfully she changed it

[ocean arch]

Whew

[hoary frost]

sounds like something dc gallery incels would make fuss about

[hoary frost]

https://vxtwitter.com/newjeans0422/status/1846162015846649986?s=46&t=lncf7vo09FEx5ZDvXg81LA

what's this saying

[jolly junco]

Its not that deep…..

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/PoppyKPoppie/status/1846139109158555650

[narrow seal]

241015 PoppyKPoppie Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/PoppyKPoppie/status/1846139109158555650
this would be mhj's first global TV interview after being dismissed from ador; it will be broadcast on tonight's news station. 👇

[ocean arch]

Haters will exaggerate notheless

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/talytokki/status/1846087902989558188

[narrow seal]

241015 talytokki Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/talytokki/status/1846087902989558188
band pd is so obsessed with western validation that he rather spend most of his time in LA pretending he’s some white beverly hills billionaire while human beings are dying at his company and CHILDREN are being abused.

someone drag that man back to korea and get his a ss behind

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/juantokki/status/1846087148388401152

[narrow seal]

241015 juantokki Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/juantokki/status/1846087148388401152
"It wasn’t due to a personal illness... The employee was young, and at the time, other employees mourned and attended the funeral, and the family of the deceased even wrote a post in the company’s internal community, thanking everyone for their support... And they didn’t even

[short laurel]

haters already exaggerate shit when NA was going on. just ignore them.

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/kapsoo/status/1846151679751967106

[narrow seal]

241015 kapsoo Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/kapsoo/status/1846151679751967106
#뉴진스 #NewJeans #Hanni #하니
화요일 밤 한마디만 하자. 뉴진스 하니 응원하러 일본 버니즈 비행기 타고 왔음. 하니 국정감사에서 울때 전 세계가 함께 울었음. 한국 국회 역사상 월드스타 뉴진스 하니 국정감사 출석으로 뉴진스 신드롬. 국회 공무원들, 하니 국정감사 때문에 국회 분위기 최고!

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/archiveofhanni/status/1846070679373844566

[narrow seal]

241015 archiveofhanni Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/archiveofhanni/status/1846070679373844566
“just because they earn a high salary doesn't mean they aren't employees. why do you assume they aren't a tagret of group bullying?”

#하니야_토끼들이_함께해
#Courageous_Hanni_With_Tokki

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/NJBUBBLEGUM/status/1846065818100240713

[narrow seal]

241015 NJBUBBLEGUM Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/NJBUBBLEGUM/status/1846065818100240713
🦦: During the conversation, HYBE's CCTV manager changed their story several times about why the CCTV footage was deleted.

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/breadluvpham/status/1846069041359880378

[narrow seal]

241015 breadluvpham Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/breadluvpham/status/1846069041359880378
Hanni : This is something that could happen to anyone. I attended the parliamentary audit because I believe that this should not happen to colleagues, seniors, juniors, or trainees.

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/newjeansnews_/status/1846152150793306129

[narrow seal]

241015 newjeansnews_ Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/newjeansnews_/status/1846152150793306129
[theqoo - hot] NewJeans Hanni: "There's no need for me to say anything because my fans know how I feel even without me saying anything." + Hanni shutting down Kim Jooyoung
https://shorturl.at/IR86C

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/minjizgcf/status/1846080258543640611

[narrow seal]

241015 minjizgcf Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/minjizgcf/status/1846080258543640611
HYBE staff have been ostracising newjeans since they debuted.

HYBE covered up an employee dying from over working in 2022

HYBE does not include artists as part of their companies basic human rights policy.

ADOR has a ceo who used to be in HR but doesnt know how to handle +

[hoary frost]

OR….maybe the CEO should have done her job and maybe just maybe they wouldn’t be there in the first place.

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/AboutMusicYT/status/1846070294630265287

[narrow seal]

241015 AboutMusicYT Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/AboutMusicYT/status/1846070294630265287
NewJeans' Hanni at the audit:

• "Recently I saw on Blind, the [HYBE] employees cursing at NewJeans, and I heard the recording of the HYBE PR downplaying our Japan debut success. Seeing this it confirmed that what I was feeling wasn’t just a feeling I knew that [HYBE] hated us".

[upbeat stream]

Yeah perhaps I should stay away from reddit

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/iseauseamee/status/1846073366303928519

[narrow seal]

241015 iseauseamee Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/iseauseamee/status/1846073366303928519
Bernice has her debut at National Assembly. Bernice You’re always famous

#하니야_토끼들이_함께해 #Courageous_Hanni_With_Tokki

[upbeat stream]

Really depressing place

[copper current]

Reddit is full of inhuman and illogic rotten haters, I am not there anymore, good for my health

~t https://x.com/newjeansnews_/status/1846133681586332133

[narrow seal]

241015 newjeansnews_ Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/newjeansnews_/status/1846133681586332133
[theqoo - hot] Netizens look at some pictures from the National Assembly today
https://shorturl.at/oBQkW

[hoary frost]

She is always serving face no matter where she is💅

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/missingmedics/status/1846013431641432454

[narrow seal]

241015 missingmedics Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/missingmedics/status/1846013431641432454
other fandoms at inkigayo meanwhile tokkis posted up at government offices, this is so sick

[jolly junco]

Just be here, we are always up to date with the FACTS no need to go to reddit

[short laurel]

i read that both ruling and opposition were on Hanni's side on this. Hybe messed up hard in that case.

[jolly junco]

~t https://x.com/moonncaat/status/1846135623159030036?s=46&t=Rf0MFOpPEsPDO_zBu2aZ7A

[narrow seal]

241015 moonncaat Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/moonncaat/status/1846135623159030036
it’s not hard to get informed before seething

[jolly junco]

So thats why he put bernice picture on his laptop

That means the members of NA are on newjeans side regarding this issue

[red thorn]

What Japan time for MHJ Asahi TV interview

[jolly junco]

9.30

[hoary frost]

Is it today?

[hoary frost]

should have shaded BSH and his facial recognition disorder

as a chairman, he set an example for his lackeys and ostracized minors within company

[hoary frost]

Seriously who’s got energy to beef with minors? There must be something missing in his soul.

even the word "petty" cant describe his behavior

regardless of what went down between mhj and him, nj are (were) hybe act and their success benefitted his company but he is too blinded by his inflated ego and arrogance

[red thorn]

Tonight's news

[hoary frost]

And what bothers me even more is that he is eating their hard earned money in California. I’m appalled. What grown man behaves this way?

he employed all these incompetent people to clean after him, so why not

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/cato_o_o/status/1846183275779314052

[narrow seal]

241015 cato_o_o Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/cato_o_o/status/1846183275779314052
Assemblyman Ahn Ho-young: I’d like to ask CEO Kim Joo-young a question. Did the witness ever report workplace harassment to you? If so, what actions did you take?

Exchanges between Assemblyman, Kim Joo Young and Hanni 👇

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/hurtsaz/status/1846086894968623163

[narrow seal]

241015 hurtsaz Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/hurtsaz/status/1846086894968623163
The new CEO of ADOR appointed by HYBE has not only covered up the sexual harassment case, but she’s also covered up an employee d**th.

and SHE is meant to protect newjeans???

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/juantokki/status/1846100849363415150

[narrow seal]

241015 juantokki Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/juantokki/status/1846100849363415150
NewJeans’ Hanni Becomes the First K-pop Idol to Attend a Parliamentary Audit: "I Can’t Stay Silent Any Longer"
https://enews.imbc.com/News/RetrieveNewsInfo/433690
Jang Da-hee, iMBC Entertainment

Hanni from the group NewJeans made history as the first K-pop idol to attend a parliamentary audit, stating, "I

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/phamhannibread/status/1846179190665892263

[narrow seal]

241015 phamhannibread Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/phamhannibread/status/1846179190665892263
Minji saying this so on point “If I were alone, I'd be really scared” to everyone who didn’t realised yet, Hanni Pham went all alone braving through the storm

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/rkvjeans/status/1846072002354073667

[short laurel]

1st in active k-pop idols*.

[narrow seal]

241015 rkvjeans Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/rkvjeans/status/1846072002354073667
Apparently, when the CEO was explaining why the footage was missing, she accidentally made a slip of the tongue and said it was deleted.

[astral dust]

https://x.com/bbcworld/status/1846175238624551085?s=46&t=kXGhBk_3DiP7ccDDKf8qcQ

BBC News (World) (@BBCWorld) on X

K-pop star gives tearful testimony on harassment https://t.co/XMrHPWoZce

Twitter · Oct 15, 2024, 1:04 PM

View, engage 👆

[red thorn]

I thought it was the security that made a slip of the tongue

[hoary frost]

~t https://x.com/adotokis/status/1846183246612119629?s=46&t=lncf7vo09FEx5ZDvXg81LA

[narrow seal]

241015 ADOTOKIS Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/ADOTOKIS/status/1846183246612119629
HYBE employees on BLIND keep discussing the overwork http://incident.It’s troubling that there’s so much debate about whether it was due to overwork or a pre-existing condition without a clear investigation

[hoary frost]

i saw there were two deaths from illness (overwork) in 2022. one manager and another was content planning team member

[short laurel]

people are still translating stuff. i suggest instead of repeatedly sharing this, we wait for tikki to translate the full video for accurate information. twitter bunnie's too spread alot of misinformation. so be careful.

also if it was really personal illness, they would already have his medical records. the fact that government agency not have it makes it highly likely to not be illness. (just my personal opinion on this)

[red thorn]

So the actual was, Hanni had meeting with director of cctv and director of security, their reason for the certain footage kept changing, one of them mispoke said that it was deleted

[short laurel]

oo

[orchid field]

Yall smell that? It reeks of lies and deceit !

[stone grotto]

I’m so proud of her

[red thorn]

My point is beware of the machine mistranslation

[short laurel]

good thing is that hanni recorded the meeting. now they can't say "hanni lied about it"

hope she saved it on cloud just in case

[arctic swan]

https://x.com/Sniper71232/status/1846097277494219209?t=lfLo66X7kAricplAFqXauA&s=19 why would people believe every lie he posts against Newjeans. The comments on his posts are a bunch of people who like to hear any negative about Newjeans without verifying facts

[red thorn]

I think there was rumour that Sniper is Seoulitetv

[short laurel]

block him

[orchid field]

Just block sniper seoulite and jjinjins

[cedar saffron]

what the hell

[orchid field]

Acoustic people

[tawdry vessel]

bots

[arctic swan]

Why is he still not banned yet😄. Can someone track his location😅

[red thorn]

Worse than bots, paid people or even worse, just people with pure malice

[orchid field]

I know right, markjp can get taken down by antis but mass reporting any of those 3 didnt work, legitimately baffles me how they are still up because they are the very definition of inciting bullying

[short laurel]

twitter will ban everyone decent but it will nvr ban the obvious trolls. it's not just kpop and all of twitter these days

[orchid field]

RIGHT?????????

[short laurel]

all these haters have been spreading were all out of context or no proof at all. and reason for not sharing proof is soo dumb "not give any views to these articles which has our fake proof"
yet it's a wonder that huge population listens to them.

[arctic swan]

Is talytokki here in discord?

[west osprey]

I got my weekly dose of tea

[orchid field]

Idk but she is aware of the server for sure

[modern fog]

*x -c https://x.com/cato_o_o/status/1846197968954618126?t=ytxrPqLvIlVwUo20NVum0g&s=19

[harsh dove]

@cato_o_o <t:1729002871:d>

The following is a summary of the Q&A between Ahn Ho-young, Chair of the Environment and Labor Committee, NewJeans member Hani, and Kim Joo-young, CEO of ADOR.

Link to follow

[hoary frost]

How are we feeling? Do we believe that KYJ will take it seriously moving forward? Or could these just be empty promises?

[stiff prairie]

The fact that you're still unsure is sending me.
But yeah they ain't doing shii unless they're forced to. This audit is a forceful measure but they need to keep pressure up if they want any results.

[wheat raft]

are hybe employees gonna realize they should be supporting hanni since workplace harrassment or overworking can happen to themselves and they are not doing themselves a favor attacking hanni

[vapid turret]

BBC just covered it! https://x.com/BBCWorld/status/1846175238624551085

BBC News (World) (@BBCWorld) on X

K-pop star gives tearful testimony on harassment https://t.co/XMrHPWoZce

Twitter · Oct 15, 2024, 1:04 PM

[vapid turret]

Yeah Hanni isn't just speaking up for idols but every worker in K-pop.

[modern fog]

https://x.com/shiecollects/status/1846082124451139866?t=4reRqr4YtaPSiD00jFyN9g&s=19

shie (@shiecollects) on X

a hybe employee collapsed and died because of overworking ? and hybe tried to cover up the incident....

Twitter · Oct 15, 2024, 6:54 AM

smh

[vapid turret]

Exactly. How can anyone defend that kind of practice?

Where's the union?

[hoary frost]

I don’t know anymore I’m just trying to be hopeful. It’s dragged for far too long and I’m tired. It’s also going to be draining for the members to continuously force HYBE to do their jobs.

[stiff prairie]

*x -c https://twitter.com/se_yuj/status/1846127230780690434

[harsh dove]

@se_yuj <t:1728986005:d>

hanni: since i don’t want to miss any important details on that meeting i entered and recorded everything, so i have proof that they’re lying!

that one label probably losing their minds right now and busy writing a new script 😭🤭

[stiff prairie]

Glad we have some receipts

[hoary frost]

Why didn’t the NA give Hanni the opportunity to play the recording if it is proof? She said she had proof. This would stop Bethief in their tracks

[copper current]

Why National Audit didn’t require the system evidence to obtain the 8 seconds video

I think bunnies should request police or NA to check and do forensic

To obtain the evidence

[hoary frost]

I think so too!

[copper current]

They avoid asking about that 8 second video

We should tell Ktokki to raise this issue and ask Hanni to submit the recording

[mossy tartan]

they probably have a folder of recordings

considering how contrarian bethief and hybe is the smart thing is to sit on stuff until you have enough to claim and win trillion won lawsuit

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/newjeansnews_/status/1846211978286846348

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241015 newjeansnews_ Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/newjeansnews_/status/1846211978286846348
[theqoo - hot] A fandom who went psycho after the state audit today makes netizens question their sanity + Netizens ridicule BSH who briefly appeared through pictures at the National Assembly instead of showing up in person
https://shorturl.at/1dKS7

[neon igloo]

Actually the story about deleting records after 30 days might be true. The question is why the record wasn't saved when a request was made to view it. This makes the situation debatable and requires further attention

[vapid turret]

OH OH OH OH! SHE BOUGHT THE RECEIPTS SHE BOUGHT THE RECEIPTS!

[mossy tartan]

we know why it got "deleted" , this is a bad look for illit's future in industry, only matter of time till its universally accepted that the incident happened, them staying silent while being actual witnesses is cowardice

[leaden igloo]

hanni 😭😭 i just got caught up with everything
I also cry when frustrated and mad, not just sad.

[hoary frost]

It just shows they are guilty and deleted it so that they can’t show Hanni the true evidence.
My question is - why lie and go to extreme lengths to cover something like that. The manager would have received a warning at least.

[ionic rain]

someone has the right translation from when kjy was asked about hybes human rights policy?

[hoary frost]

They are not staying silent they are gaslighting (through statements) us and Hanni that the manager never said anything when he did.

[ionic rain]

can't stand gossip pages and armys saying ooc things ab it

[neon igloo]

I agree. But it's really hard to understand this company (HYBE I mean), especially regarding their multi-label strategy. They've created this situation themselves and now they can't manage it

[mossy tartan]

its bethief that are doing that, their idol group is the one staying silent knowing the truth

[hoary frost]

Oh my bad I misunderstood

Do you think it is cowardice or fear? I mean we know how manipulative Bethief can be, imagine how they are treating their idols behind closed doors. And Illit are quite young so maybe they are afraid to speak up fear of consequences

[orchid field]

twitter didnt review shit 🚮 🚮 🚮 🚮 🚮 🚮 🚮 🚮 🚮 🚮 🚮 🚮 🚮 🚮 🚮 🚮 🚮 🚮 🚮 🚮 🚮 🚮 🚮 🚮 🚮 🚮 🚮 🚮 🚮 🚮 🚮 🚮 🚮 🚮 🚮 🚮 🚮 🚮 🚮 🚮 🚮 🚮

[mossy tartan]

yes there is consequence for speaking up

not everyone are trailblazers like nj

[hoary frost]

Twitter doesn’t do shit

[wet sluice]

this

[mild mist]

"they haven't broken our policies" = "they once said something positive about ellon musk"

[wet sluice]

LMAAOOO THIS

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/newjiram/status/1846216546525270517

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241015 newjiram Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/newjiram/status/1846216546525270517
The New York Times, BBC News, & The Australian Broadcasting Corporation + many more news outlets are covering Hanni as a star witness speaking out about bullying and workplace harassment!

CHANGING THE IDOL INDUSTRY 👏🏿👏🏿

[hoary frost]

ICONIC SHIT

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/nwjnsbts/status/1846076196468957481

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241015 nwjnsbts Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/nwjnsbts/status/1846076196468957481
HANNI at the National Assembly Environment and Labor Committee’s state audit.

• a thread of all the main points discussed (no specific order)

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/newjeansnews_/status/1846084649808023774

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241015 newjeansnews_ Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/newjeansnews_/status/1846084649808023774
[📞Hanni Phoning Chat]

🐰I’m so thankful… Bunnies you worked hard
🐰You worked so hard!!!ㅠㅠㅠ
🐰I’m so thankful🥹🥹🥹
🐰I didn’t want to cry either…

[hoary frost]

What a moment 😭 this man is just happy to be there. Lucky bunny

[short laurel]

actually it would be believable if the few sec recording from be4 wasn't present. problem is there is recording of hanni and other group greeting, but the recording after that point deleted cuz of 30 days? why wasn't an hour older recording deleted cuz of 30 days? that's why hybe sides story doesn't make sense.

[fathom canopy]

he saw his opportunity and took it

[short laurel]

countless theories has been made. no one understand. what we all think is ego problem of bsh.

[orchid field]

should have been me

[hollow sorrel]

I saw that that man is there because 5 people died in his company this year

but maybe it wasn't about him specifically

does anyone know who that is?

[hoary frost]

No way? Well I don’t think that is him because he wouldn’t be that happy taking selfies and I don’t think Hanni would allow a pic with him.

[wet sluice]

i think it's Lee Jeong-hyeon

he's in the national assembly

[hollow sorrel]

Jeong In Seop, the President of Hwanha Ocean

During the audit, Democratic Party of Korea lawmaker Kim Tae Sun directly confronted Jeong about the selfie. Kim questioned Jeong, asking whether he had indeed taken the photo, to which Jeong confirmed:

Jeong In Seop: “Yes. Hani was very nervous.”

Kim Tae Sun: “While people are dying at your company, you’re taking selfies? Are you laughing? It’s not that you can’t take a selfie, but as a representative appearing as a witness, you shouldn’t act like that.”

Jeong In Seop: “I’m sorry.”

Hanni probably didn't know and was just happy to take a selfie lmao

[waxen musk]

People are attacking her for it and I can only assume she didn’t know who he was or most of the people were and was just being polite.

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/WeenUpdates/status/1846077948811723185

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241015 WeenUpdates Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/WeenUpdates/status/1846077948811723185
JASON IS GETTING HEATED WATCHING HANNI AT THE NATIONAL ASSEMBLY 😭😭😭#FreeNewJeans

[short laurel]

streamers reacting to this. wow xD

[wheat raft]

people dont realize this is gaining worldwide attention

including the hate comments, they are embarrasing themselves on a global scale lol

[neon igloo]

Of course, she didn't know who he was or what he did, she was just being polite. Hanni was nervous and anxious, she needed to quickly understand what people around her were saying in a foreign language so she could always be ready to respond
These haters are madness

[orchid field]

like, do they not realize any of the 7 would be utterly embarassed and dissapointed in their behaviour , this is some generational embarassment type of thing

[wheat raft]

i wonder how they feel about their own fans tbh. I think the reason they dont speak out is because they would get witchhunted by their own fans if they did… crazy huh

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/ADOTOKIS/status/1846187333940322576

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241015 ADOTOKIS Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/ADOTOKIS/status/1846187333940322576
🧢: It’s not like I brought up selling the house for no reason. (Whether I intended it or not) this was a message to the fans to stay strong in what could be a long fight, and a message to those who aren’t interested in the issue to pay attention to this matter as well..

[neon igloo]

That's a very good statement. Perhaps that's why most artists choose to stay silent, as they know how crazy their own fans can be

[waxen musk]

I haven’t seen Tokkis go against NJ really ever. It’s scary to think other groups can’t say the same.

[wheat raft]

funny thing is, i feel even the worst tokkis would not go crazy and attack newjeans if any members decide to support someone that the tokki hated

[wheat raft]

yes exactly my thoughts lol

[waxen musk]

The “worst” Tokkis only don’t support MHJ but I feel like ALL Tokkis have ALWAYS supported the girls.

[wheat raft]

yeahh, but our fandom is not as massive as “that” fandom so…

i guess they have crazier people and factions within their fandom

[waxen musk]

It’s not even only “that” fandom though. It’s unfortunately a lot of fandoms that are so harsh towards the groups they supposedly love.

[wheat raft]

im just glad knetz* in general are on newjeans side lol

knetizens can be wild with cyberbullying

[short laurel]

yea the monday incident.

[orchid field]

yes yes

[short laurel]

SM could've had their own little 7's FeelsBadMan

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/cato_o_o/status/1846232785024856378

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241015 cato_o_o Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/cato_o_o/status/1846232785024856378
Bots are out in force on Hanni National Assembly audit posts.

Remember Tokkis, no need to argue against idiot bots, paid commenters, reckers or brainwashed fandoms.

No need to give them interactions because thats what they want. They will never change.

Focus on NewJeans. ❤️

[errant osprey]

Bro Indian accounts are speaking Japanese and Korean 😭😭😭

[neon igloo]

He's just a genius

[orchid field]

hybe caught lackin

[placid rose]

ok tell me about the cheesecake recipe

[hoary frost]

Will this interview come out during Japanese time zone or?

[modern fog]

alr out https://x.com/hst_tvasahi/status/1846196299856859202

[mild mist]

good schools over there

[hoary frost]

lol this is why i stop caring abt internet opinions nowadays its just filled out of bots pushing an agenda

[bronze jetty]

~ https://twitter.com/breadluvpham/status/1846117203458118021?s=46 sorry to bring this tweet up if someone’s already touched on it, but hanni is getting flamed by #that fandom because of her expression here

Cherry🍒 (@breadluvpham) on X

Fraudor CEO : "I'm also frustrated hearing Hanni, I also want to help her"

HANNI : 🙂🙃
IJBOLLLLLLL😭😭😭😭

Twitter · Oct 15, 2024, 9:13 AM

this isn’t even court 😭

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/cato_o_o/status/1846257386069033157

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241015 cato_o_o Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/cato_o_o/status/1846257386069033157
This comment on the SBS news youtube channel regarding Kim Joo Young testimony at Hanni’s workplace bullying audit hearing says a lot about the type of wording used by her and the other people at HYBE.

Link to follow

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/cato_o_o/status/1846275137567338622

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241015 cato_o_o Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/cato_o_o/status/1846275137567338622
I just finished watching the entire Hanni workplace bullying audit and I don’t think she mentioned BSH or anyone by name in regard to being ignored.

She does mention she greeted many seniors and high position people only to be ignored.

Can someone point me to a source?

[half knot]

I've seen some comments expressing surprise that both the opposition and government politicians are not taking HYBE's side.

there's no reason for the politicians to take the side of the conglomerates in south korea, neither side of the spectrum are big fans of chaebols in Korea despite giving them a pass on many things regardless of who is in charge of the government.

[leaden igloo]

So proud of hanni!! She made history and did a great job conveying what she wanted to.

All we need now is a favorable injunction decision!!

[half knot]

even a partial injunction would be good. also need to hear the police investigation results. if they dismiss HYBE's criminal complaints, it may be truly over for HYBE.

Also it is hilarious seeing the other side of this perpetuating an editorial from Chosun Ilbo. As a comment on reddit mentioned, 조중동 or Chosun Ilbo/Joongang Ilbo/Donga Ilbo are the absolute most right-wing conservative outlets there are among mainstream 'journalistic' outlets in south korea. like Fox News/Newsmax/OAN level. If this is the supportive side for HYBE's arguments, and NJ antis are backing them and spreading their vitriolic editorials, then we truly live in a society.

[hoary frost]

She wasn’t even doing anything. Just listening intently💀

[heady gate]

Injunction result on Oct 25 and bond payment on Nov 5?

[hoary frost]

Man, this is the most badass picture on the internet right now. I would not want to be on Hanni’s bad side I’d just evaporate

[ashen charm]

This pic is aura she knew she was gunna own that ador fraud ceo 🫡🤭

[vapid turret]

Wow, Korean politicians and lawyers are on the girl's side?

[ionic rain]

someone has a timeline thread of the whole mhj and hybe feud?

[neon igloo]

At the National Assembly, the Democratic Party pointed out the absence of BHJ and that, amidst the conflict, he was enjoying himself with young women in the US. A woman from another party asked KJY about the death of one of HYBE's employees at the workplace in September 2022.
So yes, both sides took a stance supporting idols

[sonic olive]

I already uninstalled that apps . Including X and instagram

This thing is so frustrating me and made me overthinking about it. It’s really messed up my mental health so I decided to take a break from all of this stuff and just focus on myself 🙂‍↕️ . Wishing all the best for newjeans 🫶🏻🙂

[arctic swan]

One fake news post about newjeans made by sniper21 and aespannjeans on X. You will see a ton of people who believe it without fact checking. They like every bad post about newjeans like it is their guilty pleasure. I believe hate against Newjeans is made by these people who keep spreading lies on the internet because they know there are a lot of dumb people who buy it

[cerulean lake]

ik it’s bad to dox people but someone needs to go after them

they should see how it feels with people going after them

have not dox but someone hack their acc and take it down 🙏

[shut kelp]

any updates? how are the korean GP taking the NA appearance?

[half knot]

you'll have to ask each and every korean citizen individually

[arctic swan]

I want to nuke someone's house. 💣

[ionic rain]

sniper21, jjinjins and aspannjeans posting the most random stuff without any proof and everyone believing it while 1tokki, cato_o and other giving a full explanation, fonts and basis to what they're saying just to ppl say they're biased and defend mhj

[silver warren]

I’m sorry but it is so fucked up how armies are literally bullying Hanni then turning around and saying free jk from 🧢??

Like excuse you?

[jolly junco]

just block them, they have nothing better to do. I block every army that appear on my timeline

[copper current]

They are so dumb, ignore dumb people, no need to talk with that kinds

[jolly junco]

now my life is peaceful and my mental health got better

[silver warren]

Yea it’s crazy too I think they ignore the fact that jk supports njs too 😭😭

[copper current]

https://www.youtube.com/live/MZPoCwMjAYs?si=4TU8kEK8zgJXGnbQ

[copper current]

They ignore Hybe is bullying him as well, what can we do with dumb people

[silver warren]

It’s wild 🤷‍♀️

[upbeat stream]

That Hanwha Ocean president is going to hell. I think he took that selfie to mend his pr, and poor Hanni would have assumed it's just another lawmaker

Hopefully koreans can see that Hanni is not at fault

[jolly junco]

she cant even understand 100% what they are saying at the NA, how can she knows every person in there 🤣

i dont think koreans are cursing her for that selfie

its just the international side are making a narrative to blame her

[half knot]

she had no involvement in initiating that selfie, the CEO was taking a photo of himself and her in the frame, she just smiled when she saw herself in the camera frame.

[red thorn]

Can't blame her reaction too for the camera, idol 101

[half knot]

outside of a few posts, I haven't seen any cursing thrown at her by knetz, there was some noise on weibo though

[shut kelp]

no way they are mad about that now....

[half knot]

it's a nothingburger at best

even posts like this which usually receive a lot of cursing from koreans didn't get any traction and instead had koreans hit back at the tweet (also totally normal for an account that small to get 2.2M views on their tweets, nothing suspicious here) https://x.com/1o2t3/status/1846050444973690988

ㅋㅋ (@1o2t3) on X

50억 정산 받고 구찌 백매고 국감 출석한 자칭 노동자 뉴진스 팜하니

Twitter · Oct 15, 2024, 4:48 AM

probably one of the best qrt was this

somebody's gotta do it

[upbeat stream]

The funniest was when some knetz was attacking hanni for earning 5b and wearing Gucci, and they got absolutely cooked in the quotes

Oh lmao that's what the above tweet is!

I didn't even see

[half knot]

[leaden igloo]

being a newjeans stan has awakened my class consciousness 😭 pls i didnt sign up for this make it stopp

[jolly junco]

in other words, you get hated whatever your choice is

[jolly junco]

from NJBUBBLEGUM when someone asked how the general public in Korea reaction after Hanni speech at NA

[tawdry vessel]

cooked them gahdamn

[ocean arch]

Can nj sue those accounts like wonyoung sued the YouTuber ?

[jolly junco]

they can actually, i dont know why they are not doing it

[ocean arch]

They probably have too much on their plate right now

[jolly junco]

atp i just hope that BTS will comeback sooner so their fans will have something else to do than harassing our girls

[ocean arch]

Frr

[tawdry vessel]

hopefully bad things happen to those people

i dont care

[buoyant hamlet]

They're not going to stop because of a BTS comeback, ask Blinks

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/Phamkuromi/status/1846394046870434006

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241016 Phamkuromi Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/Phamkuromi/status/1846394046870434006
The comment section on YouTube regarding the audit news are divided into two types: one praising Hanni's intelligence and support her, the other criticizing HYBE for covering up the incident involving an employee’s de4th from being overworked.

Many comments praising Hanni 🩷💪

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/cato_o_o/status/1846370465968766988

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241016 cato_o_o Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/cato_o_o/status/1846370465968766988
Assemblyman Park Hong-bae berated the Director of Employment policy who is from Ministry of Employment and Labor which awarded HYBE “Top Job creating company”

..for making excuses in regard to providing the HYBE application and evaluation material.

Hope he can get to the truth

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/Koreaboo/status/1846222012504854593

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241015 Koreaboo Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/Koreaboo/status/1846222012504854593
HYBE Suspected Of Having Tried To Cover Up An Employee's Death By Overwork
https://www.koreaboo.com/news/hybe-suspected-cover-overwork-death-employee/?cb=ZJTTYA

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/PoppyKPoppie/status/1846395060960874940

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241016 PoppyKPoppie Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/PoppyKPoppie/status/1846395060960874940
hybe has limited control over western media outlets.. so them seeing bbc and abc news australia - both really big media outlets reporting about hanni's appearance at yesterday's state audit and giving more light to the issue is definitely making hybe sweat. like panicky sweat.

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/kapsoo/status/1846377778570318100

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241016 kapsoo Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/kapsoo/status/1846377778570318100
#뉴진스 #NewJeans #Hanni #하니
국회 국정감사 하니 뉴스, 한국 🇰🇷 모든 신문, TV 방송 속보 및 생방송 Live 중계 보도했음. 국회에서 열리는 대통령 취임식 보다 언론 취재 열기 뜨거웠음. 국회 공무원들이 뉴진스, 하니 열광적인 응원 놀랐음. NHK, BBC, Billboard 등 전 세계 언론들 집중 보도.

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/NJBUBBLEGUM/status/1846382904483750036

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241016 NJBUBBLEGUM Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/NJBUBBLEGUM/status/1846382904483750036
My response to this is quite lengthy.

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/Phamkuromi/status/1846396829312639397

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241016 Phamkuromi Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/Phamkuromi/status/1846396829312639397
Korean reactions to Hanni “Holding her laugh” when fraudCEO fake claim “I felt sorry for NewJeans and Hanni”:

“The second part of no-laughing birthday party” 😂😂😂😂😂😂😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/cato_o_o/status/1846382674178421229

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241016 cato_o_o Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/cato_o_o/status/1846382674178421229
Translation of the qrt post screen cap.

Interesting

[waxen musk]

I don't think that's working out so well for them.

I'm glad today seems to be quiet (so far)

[jolly junco]

they are busy prepping HYBE COO for the audit on 24th

[stiff prairie]

Nothing today from that side either huh

I've been conditioned to look for negative articles everyday kinda miss it now 😔

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/PoppyKPoppie/status/1846389471132242129

[steel depot]

they are so weird

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241016 PoppyKPoppie Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/PoppyKPoppie/status/1846389471132242129
hanni getting the australian news to report about her attendance at the national assembly just shows what she's done is not just for newjeans but for the entire k-pop industry.

[copper current]

https://youtu.be/dyOW-c-gxNA?si=uxr_5dNgu4sGQjD_

https://youtu.be/bECiGKIeUNY?si=0yMdhcBncLQMQ8I2

https://youtu.be/zwn5tCYmYyE?si=KbWrf94bSUI-XlMz

[short laurel]

Look at twitter for that,
I've blocked so many haters that i m not getting them, instead i m getting bunnies hating on haters ...

[stiff prairie]

nahh twitter stans yapping doesn't effect me that much.

i scroll the moment i sense a lil bit of hatred even on tiktok

[lucid yarrow]

i only go on twitter to look a pics i dont even read anything anymore well i try really hard not to bc this drama

[stiff prairie]

kinda same. i mainly read if i know it won't f w my mental peace

[sullen pollen]

what was the verdict of yesterday's hearing?

any compensation?

[half knot]

it wasn't a court hearing

[steep torrent]

what time is the shareholders meeting gonna be?

[half knot]

I've been seeing a lot of positive reactions to just this oen comment by Hanni 제가 좋아하는 일을 할 수 있게 해준 나라인데...

about Korea being the country that allows her to do what she likes, some comments saying if they were born in 2004 and went through this, they would have hated this country

[sullen pollen]

but were there any results?

[half knot]

it was just political theater, the real results is the widespread coverage it received

basically making NJ girls untouchable by HYBE at least in the short-term

[heady gate]

That is why I don't see any mediaplay in the past 2 days.

[short laurel]

there have been negative articles of hybe since yesterday that were deleted pretty quickly

[half knot]

also I didn't know this but Korean comments seem to take a major issue with the CCTV part

saying that the idea that it expires or is partially deleted is just bullshit and even the vehicle blackboxes don't work like that, let alone enterprise level surveillance systems in an 18 million dollars a year rented building

[jolly junco]

if there are gonna have a result it would be years in the future

The NA Audit are the place where people submit a proposal to change the country's law. Lawmakers are there to discuss things that are supposed to changed for the better

Like Goo Hara law, you can search it they just passed a new law (Goo Hara Law) in south korea a few months ago

[short laurel]

it is BS. considering video from before is not deleted but video from after is deleted. this part alone made hybe side claim invalid by any standards.

[half knot]

even if it was deleted, there would be a log of when and how it was deleted, and wouldn't be partial

why is there partial expiry of the footage lol wouldn't be possible without external interference

if it expires or is overwritten, the whole date would be overwritten.

[lucid yarrow]

dam it better be in 8k close fancam now not....

[half knot]

also the idea that a massive midcap company with a building that size and huge information technology and gaming aspirations would only have a 30 days cycle of CCTV footage and no backup is laughable.

[short laurel]

did they do something after sulli incident? cuz that law is needed to protect NJ from so much online harassment.

[heady gate]

I don't believe a word that CEO said in yesterday. 30days footage is a joke.

[half knot]

also she was the head of the department that handled both the death of that employee's case as well as the sexual harassment case of employee B

since HR related matters are outsourced to the parent company under HYBE Labels.

real curious that one.

[heady gate]

That death employee. My jaw dropped when I heard about it.

[short laurel]

employee B case i m still not understand the mindset of hybe, their fans and employee B herself, they all allowed the very person in helm of fakeador who dismissed the SH case.

[half knot]

somehow not an uncommon thing in Korea it seems to die from overwork

[half knot]

lol right? unless it's 8K high bitrate footage, why the hell is it expiring after 30 days despite the issue having been brought up originally in May/June, why not keep a log of the offending footage? This is interference 😄

[short laurel]

also side topic(not off) I not c much coverage on this one. everyone complain is belift copied NJ formula but why is no one questioning at hybe putting belift people in ador?
why is everyone seem to ignore this part. it's so weird to me to put the alleged thief above the victim. this too should be making NJ not trust the current management.

it's like openly telling belift to steal from NJ for their own group.

[tawdry vessel]

we won they got him

[heady gate]

Lets wait for the result of the convertible bond payment on Nov 5.

[tardy smelt]

all these dates, which one will be the season 3 finale

[heady gate]

Hopefully, MHJ would return at the end of season 3

[tawdry vessel]

mhj won season 1

hybe won season 2

[opaque torrent]

idk i think we're still in season 2

[tardy smelt]

nah, season 3. i think august 27 (mhj fired) was our season 2 finale, that was a big turning point. may 30 (injunction win) was the season 1 finale.

[cerulean lake]

she’s been oddly quiet these past weeks hopefully this means that her lawyers advised her to bc they have smth up their sleeves 🙏😪

the copium is hitting hard rn 😪✊

[ocean arch]

She definitely cooking

[cerulean lake]

i still wish there was some whistleblower that exposed smth shady abt hybe 😞

[short laurel]

yesterday NA already exposed shady hybe

it's nice to have break fro mtime to time especially after yesterday

[jolly junco]

i thought it was nov 7? the deadline for CB

[west osprey]

Wdym obviously she must know every single person and what all of them have done in all their lives and be able to know them by looking at their backs

[jolly junco]

i can feel your sarcasm thru my screen

[west osprey]

The lengths people have to go through to run pr for a company......

Sounds ridiculous when you spell it out loud and think it through for ten seconds

[jolly junco]

~t https://x.com/juantokki/status/1846450252691525789

[narrow seal]

241016 juantokki Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/juantokki/status/1846450252691525789
The Ministry of Employment and Labor: "A complaint has been filed regarding HYBE's selection as a 'Top Job Creation Company,' and an investigation is underway."
https://sports.khan.co.kr/article/202410160844003?pt=nv
Reporter Son Bong-seok

The Ministry of Employment and Labor confirmed that a complaint has

[jolly junco]

oho they are under investigation now

i hope this investigation will come fruitful to the idols under HYBE

[jolly junco]

who are they trying to fool, HYBE 2022 management reported that ZERO accident and ZERO injuries

[stiff prairie]

i can understand not including fatality since he died in hospital a few days after but didn't kjy admit to witnessing the employee's collapse in hybe premises?

[jolly junco]

yes they should at least reported it as "injuries"

they are trying so hard to hide this incident

because if they reported it even as injuries, the ministry of labor will have to investigate

[short laurel]

with how overworked idols n employees are, no way they didn't get some form on minor invisible mental n physical injuries over the years. i guess they don't count these.

[stiff prairie]

i thought they are just like this to newjeans cause of hatred towards mhj. but it seems like this whole company is way too sus

guess they'll probably come out and say it's not related to work. that person had personal health issues himself

[jolly junco]

HYBE: "Idols dont have human rights"

[stiff prairie]

it's a bit of stretch

but yeah workers protection laws doesn't protect idols is what they admitted

[short laurel]

actually if u read full context. it's not this bad. it's taken out of context

[stiff prairie]

that part of law needs to change asap and imo it will after this

[jolly junco]

yes they have long explanation on that, but in simple words "idols dont have humans right under HYBE labels"

[stiff prairie]

i love hanni's closing w regard to this narrative. esp bringing up trainees too

[short laurel]

even though she said that hybe worked to make safe place or whatever. hybe action showed it's a lie.

[valid sierra]

damn. hope this is true

[stiff prairie]

i don't. i hope they suffer till end of eternity

[hoary frost]

took a long time to make this statement

[jolly junco]

I hope this is not true

I need hybe to not be able to pay their CB

[mossy tartan]

making more fake statements to attract new investors

[red thorn]

https://m.newsprime.co.kr/section_view.html?no=658628 is sniper or jinjin spread this article yet?

[jolly junco]

i wouldnt know, i block them all

i think bunnies has reported some reporter to australian embassy, the one who write false fact articles about hanni

[red thorn]

https://theqoo.net/square/3445624982

[vapid bronze]

[short laurel]

881.8 million usd in cash ?

hybe is big. but it's not that big. i doubt their operating cost is so much that they have to keep that much in cash. that's around 1/4th of entire companies worth.

[short laurel]

poor article. Assembly exists to question all of the issues. while the disaster they talk about is horrible. pretty sure it is in their agenda, there were many witness present yesterday for work related unalive cases. even hybe was under this. and they too are important.
and how article talking about hanni. it's clear they ignoring the major problem NJ are talking about. idols and contract workers treatment in industry is also very important and for article to undermine it is really shameful. especially considering how many people are exploited cuz of this case for years and is already an ongoing discussion from last months NA.

[jolly junco]

The major problem they talked about is not click bait enough for them to get more views, controversial idols is more likely to get views

[short laurel]

that too

[neon igloo]

I never understood why people start comparing problems with one another. Any problem is a problem that requires attention and a solution. There's no point in comparing worker deaths and the exploitation of child labor (I call it that because all idols begin their careers as children)

[mossy tartan]

its just the latest smear campaign

is problem 'x' worth discussing when problem 'y' is going on

[short laurel]

https://x.com/tokki12345/status/1846119589383753846?t=SFY62-9SVIWBB9r0AE-ETQ&s=19

angrytokki (@tokki12345) on X

아직도 “왜 하니를 국감에 부른건지 이해가 안간다” 하시는 분들은 이 스레드를 꼭 읽어보시기 바랍니다.
이번 환노위 국감의 주제는 “무시해 사건”이 아닙니다. “노동법 밖의 노동자”입니다. 현재 우리나라에는 계약직, 프리랜서 등 노동법의 보호를 받지 못하는 이들이 850만 명이나 있습니다.(1/5)

Twitter · Oct 15, 2024, 9:23 AM

This thread is a very good summary of the intention behind inviting hanni to NA. Google Translation is good enough.

[lofty compass]

I saw this video

But I don't understand why just hanni come ? If minji also come

[short laurel]

it was hanni who mentioned it their live that they are able to talk about without worrying about contract.

and maybe cuz she's foreigner too. they wanted to put hybe in bad light and they did it with it.

[valid sierra]

theyve only invited Hanni. i think you have to be invited to attend national assembly.

[cerulean ermine]

is that true the released album nj1 was cancelled?

[leaden igloo]

its not on the hybe q4 plan, so it's probably been delayed

[cerulean ermine]

sooo possibly like that could be delayed for .. hmmm on next year..

[neon igloo]

I assume we can expect a full album by next summer. I think winter and spring will be full of legal proceedings and their outcomes, and after those results, the future direction of NewJeans will become clearer. So we just need to be patient and enjoy the content the members are giving us

[cerulean ermine]

ofc

[short laurel]

if hybe wins. expect 1.5 year of break, then a CB with a grammy award winning producer

[copper jetty]

I'm reading the Transcript of the audit cause I don't think I can watch it. It'll probably make my blood boil but the audit showed holes in the multi label system hybe made.

Can anybody tell me how in the hell did Belift get newjeans plans if KJY is saying that Ador and Belift are different entities??

What is the legality of Belift acquiring that?

[orchid field]

hybe owns 80% of ador so surely they have some pull

[copper jetty]

Yeah Hybe is the common demoninator in these but the legality is what I'm asking though... Is it even legal for one entity to ask for the plans of another separate entity?

How would that not be a breach of trust when the plans of one company which should've been confidential was obtained by another. That shouldn't happen... technically...

[stiff prairie]

the "newjeans formula" was probably made before ador came to existence

[copper jetty]

But wouldn't those plans transfer to Ador then?

[stiff prairie]

they probably kept records of things from before

if they can bring up personal texts from shared servers project planning is just another thing

the legality idk. belift hasn't directly said that they did receive it they just said that even if they did the timing wasn't right which proved to be false because of their own video they released

[copper jetty]

Yeah which people can just interpret it how they want it... pretty vague and the best thing is they can backtrack.

But legal wise i don't think it is legal to have another company's plan. I mean it's pretty much a breach of trust isn't it? Ador and NewJeans would drop its' value.

[stiff prairie]

I mean it should be illegal but you never know about things that aren't explicitly mentioned in contracts.

[copper jetty]

True...

[short laurel]

here's the thing. when it's about giving or caring for other labels, ador is part of hybe. when it's about giving or caring for ador, ador is separate entity. that's how i think hybe see's it.

[west osprey]

If this is real, it's insane

[west osprey]

Perfect summary of the cultural context. Let it be a stepping stone for worker rights and hopefully, finally a minority protection act

[cinder verge]

can someone explain to me why ppl on the internet dont like mhj? im not tapped in to the lore.

[short laurel]

make enough noise and people will hate you regardless of truth or lie. MHJ is victim of that.

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/pannchoa/status/1846577319508320625

pannchoa (@pannchoa) on X

Knets compile the list of celebrities who supported NewJeans VS HYBE
https://t.co/pA5Q2anrnj

Twitter · Oct 16, 2024, 3:41 PM

~t https://x.com/pannchoa/status/1846553344011018408

pannchoa (@pannchoa) on X

Bang Sihyuk summoned to testify on Kakao's founder, Kim Beomsoo's trial over SM stocks manipulation
https://t.co/zgLeizcjWD

Twitter · Oct 16, 2024, 2:06 PM

[short laurel]

funny thing about this post is. Juice Seyeon posted the pic that Bang took apparently. on her IG with supernatural by NJ.

[marsh sorrel]

😮‍💨

[marsh sorrel]

I saww thattt

~t
https://x.com/Phamkuromi/status/1846589986281570391?t=FN7JRCtsJR0GK4UPu7VXnA&s=19

Chericheri／(≧ x ≦)＼🍒🍀 (@Phamkuromi) on X

Juice Seyeon also likes NewJeans

Twitter · Oct 16, 2024, 4:32 PM

[half knot]

okay that photo of her aside, why is there stuff here that could flat a tire? what if a car accidentally went over that? would get stuck and train would hit it ...

people demand answers

[short laurel]

it's in USA. i think they did it so "influencers" not try to do stunts on railway tracks.

[marsh sorrel]

For foot treatment maybe

[half knot]

ah that got a good laugh out of me

[short laurel]

all of korea is paid by MHJ to be against Hybe.

[west osprey]

"Everything is proceeding as I have foreseen" ~ MHJ, allegedly

[half knot]

she is a master marketing and public relations wizard

that is indisputable, but the idea that she has more pull with the media than a now-chaebol congloremate with midcap company sized market value is hilarious.

it's more likely that she has a lot of support in the industry that HYBE simply does not because they've been a bad faith monopolistic actor in the korean entertainment industry for the past half a decade or so

[short laurel]

Bsh has intl political n business connections, but mhj has alot of. Creative connection.
Bsh business method is failing though so he'll lose trust of those connections someday.

[half knot]

MHJ doesn't have to pay the press or youtubers or bots to post favorable stories for her.

[frank flame]

"Everything is proceeding as the shaman has foreseen" ~ MHJ, allegedly

[jolly junco]

~t https://x.com/tina2nhr/status/1846537306439872651?s=46&t=Rf0MFOpPEsPDO_zBu2aZ7A

tin #MAOMAO'S CHEERLEADER🐈‍⬛🖤 (@tina2nHR) on X

it must have been so bad that they needed to twt this 😭

Twitter · Oct 16, 2024, 1:02 PM

This never happened before 🤣 the antis are getting out of hand

[short laurel]

Other companies are caring for nj more than frouador

[copper current]

October 26 comes comes faster

[valid sierra]

i hope hybe pays them. because all these hate for nothing???

[short laurel]

I wish bts spoke directly cuz that would kick out major hating group

The sucde problem korea has. Older Innocent Celebs has done it cuz Of fan abuse, i can't help but worry about nj n that riize kid, cuz things are getting too out of hands.

[copper current]

BTS will not, they are afraid for their career, they are not as brave as NewJeans

Next week Saturday is Oct 26, time flies so fast

[torn edge]

[grizzled summit]

its cuz their own fans are hating on nj a lot

and the thing is back then when the hanni-manager incident happened the new ador ceo kjy was the chief human rights officer at that time and she was supposed to take care of the conflict between labels and stuff

[red thorn]

Hybe's label system merges and then separates as they please
Such convenient

[heady gate]

What is going on Oct 26, is it the injunction result?

[wind monolith]

yep

[heady gate]

Hybe COO attends the National Assembly on Oct 24. Injunction result on Oct 26. Bond payment due on Nov 5.

[arctic swan]

I'm not sure if they'll gonna find a grammy award winning producer for NJ, it seems like they are saying that to pacify the parents

[wind monolith]

how significant is the bond payment idk what its about

[jolly junco]

now whats the point of MHJ getting reinstated as CEO? when HYBE already said at the court that the BOD of ADOR will dismissed her again if it happens

HYBE said they cant interfere with the decision of BOD from each subsidiary

[jolly junco]

i know this is BS, but it is what it is

[wind monolith]

mhj should bring up the fact that the old board was fired and hybe replacements were put in there

[red thorn]

I assume if the hybe termination shareholders agreement proven illegal then they would have to pay the penalty or reinstate her as ceo

[cosmic belfry]

dismissing her won't be instant so she might be able to sell her options fist. That is probably one reason why they want her out in the first place.

[jolly junco]

~t https://x.com/juantokki/status/1846782523101401575

[narrow seal]

241017 juantokki Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/juantokki/status/1846782523101401575
[Exclusive] Weverse accused of exploiting labels, fans with new mandatory paid-membership service
https://m.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20241016050493
Reporter Kim Jae-heun

Hybe’s fan platform to launch new paid-membership on Dec. 1
Weverse to take up to 60% commission under new subscription-based service

[jolly junco]

LMAO hybe desperately need all the money they can get ASAP

[steel depot]

what will happen if they didn't get all the money needed to pay the investor?

[jolly junco]

sell some assets to cover the CB payment

[wind monolith]

hybe should sell ador let nj be free

[steel depot]

along with the copyrights

[jolly junco]

nah they wont sell ADOR, that company is making them money... tons of money

[warm hedge]

it’d be making more money if it wasn’t part of HYBE. If they were being logical they would sell it

[lofty compass]

Brave hanni win

Rn nj most successful gg in hybe

[south vale]

Hybe greedy never stop

[lofty compass]

Yup

[jolly junco]

~t https://x.com/poppykpoppie/status/1846802188867350854?s=46&t=Rf0MFOpPEsPDO_zBu2aZ7A

[narrow seal]

241017 PoppyKPoppie Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/PoppyKPoppie/status/1846802188867350854
ador holds extraordinary general meeting and reappoints Min Hee-jin as executive director with an extended three year term.
*more details to follow
🔗https://www.yna.co.kr/view/AKR20241017107500005?input=1195m

[jolly junco]

Am i tripping? Tell me this is not a dream

Ah exec director, i thought it was CEO

[wind monolith]

at least she can work on the album too

[knotty valve]

I doubt even bringing her back as ceo was on that table. They’re dead set on not giving her that position back. Which ya know is weird considering they’ve extended her term here for 3 years.

[short laurel]

Again it means nothing, since she'll need approval from ceo to implement her ideas. N her ideas gonna go to be thief

They are doing this even though it's proven the new ceo is doing a bad job.

[red thorn]

Chance KYJ humbled because the NA pressure? 0%
Still hybe puppet probably