NJZ Updates and Discussion

[short laurel]

there are many similarities. i can't find the theqoo post. someone shared it today. please share it again if they are seeing it ;-;

[red thorn]

https://theqoo.net/square/3437849231

[short laurel]

thank you

[hoary frost]

Oh I see!

I feel like that’s more branding than promotion

[short laurel]

that's part of what we c. there's so much that goes on which we never gets to c.

ooh. actually yea it's branding not promotion.

[hoary frost]

Man belift insulted everyone’s intelligence. How could they think we wouldn’t see the similarities?

[red thorn]

Feel sorry for them, the company either treat them as tool or half-ass instant craft

[orchid field]

too many incompetent people in power

[short laurel]

they made a video against this. what they posted were all the post from hate dc gallay(korean reddit) and hate twitter accounts. all of them edited post where they included multiple other groups. only for everything to be refuted by people related to all those groups.
everyone in comment of video even pointed all this out but they kept deleting them and threaten public with lawsuit.

[hoary frost]

Yep

[steel depot]

fr

[short laurel]

funnies part. in the video they claimed NJ cpied all these groups. while all those groups took concepts from MHJ's past work. so MHJ copied MHJ

[tardy smelt]

imagine fact checking before shitting out statements

[short laurel]

they probably fired the PR people who knows how to fact check. atleast that's what it looks like.

[warm shard]

did the pr people even work there in the first place

[orchid field]

they way they would lie to this outlandish degree just shows that they don't have any solid proof. they look very desperate

[hoary frost]

I’m so tired of Belift bro

[short laurel]

wait till u c what hybe executives n their sub's management did in the past. so much stuff. it's crazy that they still have so much support.

[wanton spruce]

I feel like thats the strategy of hybe

and its gonna affect nj negatively

[jolly junco]

HYBE has a system called shared service. Meaning all sub-label within HYBE using the same PR service provided by the parent company (HYBE)

[warm shard]

Yeah but @short laurel mentioned pr people who can fact check lol maybe they were never competent in the first place

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/newjeansnews_/status/1844661761431204191

[narrow seal]

241011 newjeansnews_ Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/newjeansnews_/status/1844661761431204191
[theqoo - hot] A HYBE internal staff that just revealed that Bang Sihyuk had passed on NewJeans' debut plan to Belift Lab when they were forming ILLIT
https://shorturl.at/jP0py

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/pannchoa/status/1844638575834386542

[narrow seal]

241011 pannchoa Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/pannchoa/status/1844638575834386542
Min Heejin's rep reveals evidence that Belift planned to plagiarize NewJeans since ILLIt's planning phase
https://tinyurl.com/4pbwbhvu

[jolly junco]

just now from bethief

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/theBlasvader/status/1844589383770358136

[narrow seal]

241011 theBlasvader Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/theBlasvader/status/1844589383770358136
I am calling on all bunnies to support Hanni and Newjeans on October 15 as she testifies before the Korean National Assembly

#FreeNWJNS #APOLOGIZETONEWJEANS #Newjeans_Never_Die
#APOLOGIZETOHANNI

[jolly junco]

they gonna need IT expert to change that saved file to be "last edited at July 2023"

[short laurel]

they are total clowns man. even after being exposed they still hell bent on claiming they are innocent. either they think every is idiot. or they really believing in their own lie. lying to the extent they themselves believe in it.

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/nwjnsbts/status/1844608995337597058

[narrow seal]

241011 nwjnsbts Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/nwjnsbts/status/1844608995337597058
in conclusion;

• BELIFT DID plagiarised newjeans
• HYBE didn't take any action when MHJ sent an internal complaint, infact ran an illegal audit
• HYBE publicized that internal complaint, garnering hate towards both groups

[jolly junco]

~t https://x.com/Jeff__Benjamin/status/1844680445532786917

huh? is ryujin in deep coma again?

https://x.com/Jeff__Benjamin/status/1844680445532786917

i didnt realize this before jeff mention it, thats true!!

[tardy smelt]

Tweet is deleted

[jolly junco]

ahh okay

this is what he tweeted

[tardy smelt]

Hmmmmmmmm

[jolly junco]

i think he is mocking HYBE because they also name dropped him before

alongside the false facts

https://x.com/Jeff__Benjamin/status/1839219206849519718

this one

Jeff Benjamin (@Jeff__Benjamin) on X

I was surprised to see my name mentioned in recent articles and statements. My role is just to get the facts from every side which I'm doing. Anyone adding emotions to my standard fact checking is adding their personal feelings or biases

To be transparent and avoid any issues

Twitter · Sep 26, 2024, 8:23 AM

[wheat raft]

tbh i still cant tell jeff is on newjeans side or not lmao

everything was down to intepretation since he left it so vague. Seems to favor nj/mhj based on wording but idk man

oh ok i just read the belift statement, i guess jeff was kinda supporting nj side

[short laurel]

he is taking neutral stance and looking at things with facts. it's just hybe side making it hard to help their case.

[wheat raft]

true

[wheat raft]

BELIFT and HYBE: Zero tolerance to protect artists and members

Hanni: Didn't name drop anyone

Also HYBE: IT WAS ILLIT !!!

[jolly junco]

he is in no one side

[hoary frost]

in what form were real names revealed

in document or something?

[wheat raft]

nobody knows until belift mentioned it

they are doing more harm than good ngl

[tardy smelt]

i don't remember any specific names dropping in the injunction today

[hoary frost]

[wheat raft]

exactly lmfaoo they really just playing the confusion game its funny

[valid sierra]

lying really do more harm than staying silent

[rain spade]

idk if iis just me, ii want to hear what the member/s heard from theiir manager

[jolly junco]

wdym??

[tardy smelt]

about?

[flint stone]

*people on the internet: Hanni said that Illit manager told to ignore her

[rain spade]

drama between hanni and illit's manager

[jolly junco]

"ignore her"

[rain spade]

they probably heard iit too

[jolly junco]

hanni said she was alone at the time

[valid sierra]

i know for sure Hyeins ready to throw hands when she heard that

[rain spade]

illit was there right? iirc

[jolly junco]

are you sure it was illit? hanni never said it was illit

[rain spade]

who did the manager said ignore her to?

[short laurel]

to some idol who hanni didn't name.

[jolly junco]

the manager, said to some idol group to ignore hanni

they were greeting each other, but then the manager came and told the group to ignore her

right in front of her

[flint stone]

What if hybe name dropped illit just for promotion? Promotion through scandals still promotion

[short laurel]

it's been hybe's strategy to cause drama for promotion. you can say it's their signature.

[jolly junco]

i guess we will know the group name for sure at the 15th

[tardy smelt]

oh you're wondering what the illit (allegedly) members heard when their manager spoke to hanni , yeah, i don't think we'll ever hear from them

[rain spade]

so hybe was just saying it was illit for fun?

[jolly junco]

that idol group are not stupid, they wont put themselves in the middle of these war

[short laurel]

due to contract idols can rarely ever talk about what they going through.

[jolly junco]

they were name dropping illit to cause a fanwar or to gain sympathy

[short laurel]

actually it was site like koreaboo n allkpop who name dropped 1st

[rain spade]

II was hahahaha

[short laurel]

hybeb response was after these sites

[jolly junco]

i would be funny if NA will call the idol group mentioned in hanni case as a witness

[tardy smelt]

nah, belift straight up confirmed it in their rebuttal to the parents' interview earlier this week

[short laurel]

but all kpop fans should know that those 2 sites headlines are always just bad.

[jolly junco]

🤣 i'm sorry but this is funny

[short laurel]

Be:Left defense in everything has been "we are suing you" but we never heard them actually suing anyone

[tardy smelt]

i think they've actually sued months ago but we haven't heard about it since

can't keep track anymore

[short laurel]

they did actually sued her or was it just them screaming but nvr went through with it ?

[tardy smelt]

https://x.com/BELIFTLAB/status/1793086889689489491

BELIFT LAB (@BELIFTLAB) on X

빌리프랩에서 알려드립니다.

Twitter · May 22, 2024, 1:10 AM

[short laurel]

yea so them screaming

[valid sierra]

BELIFT: MHJ been cooking us hard, so we gonna sue her

[jolly junco]

*x -c https://x.com/cocominji/status/1844682426699669974?s=46&t=Rf0MFOpPEsPDO_zBu2aZ7A

[harsh dove]

@cocominji <t:1728641537:d>

idk why the original creator deleted this video, but it explains everything in a very simple way.

[short laurel]

the white shirt one under ditto pic. the one that is mostly covered. it's style was complete copy from an old ad in korea. others people might not c clearly in nj and illit similarity but that one was very clear case of copy paste from that ad that even a kid could tell.

[narrow seal]

241011 cato_o_o Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/cato_o_o/status/1844709177807032377
That MHJ documentary will be insanely interesting. Cant wait!

What has happened so far only based on the part that we have seen in public is enough to make this documentary crazy good but behind the scenes?

I can imagine MHJ carrying around those vlog cameras everywhere.

[flint stone]

wait, what? MHJ documentary?

[short laurel]

idk about documentary but i predicted since may that there will be kdrama on it. with kicked ceo and her lawyer winning the case with romance ending. i m still sure someone will make it after this battle ends.

[jolly junco]

Netflix offered MHJ to make a documentary about this case

[flint stone]

for real?

[modern fog]

and mhj said that she'll do it.

during her talk in hyundai

[flint stone]

[novel fiber]

omg channel open? Whats new? Justice for NewJeans?

[jolly junco]

~t https://x.com/kapsoo/status/1844699412716802380?s=46&t=Rf0MFOpPEsPDO_zBu2aZ7A

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241011 kapsoo Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/kapsoo/status/1844699412716802380
#뉴진스 #NewJeans #Hanni #하니 #Bunnies 10월 15일 1:30 PM. 실제 국회 본청 6층 환경노동위원회 국정감사 장소. 본청 출입은 후문 1층. 보안 검색대 통과 후 신분증 제출 등 보안, 검색 의원회관보다 까다로움. 15일 국회 경비 상황, 국회 정문 출입 보안 강화로 일반인 출입 어려울 수도 있음.

[jolly junco]

General public are allowed to join the NA

[warm hedge]

that’s awesome. that should also help cover legal fees and stuff

[orchid field]

thats awesome

[mild mist]

Well if they grant her the put option she could use that as leverage to create a new contract

[flint stone]

*x https://x.com/juantokki/status/1844707129468530793?t=6Lt83k9uD2p-jbkMGoak9A&s=19

[harsh dove]

@juantokki <t:1728647427:d>

[waxen musk]

I've seen a very similar logo before, seems like someone stole it and changed a few letters or something.

[flint stone]

It's original logo of belift 🤫

[short laurel]

did MHJ take part in make brand of be:lift? since she was in-charge of designing brand for hybe back then

[wanton spruce]

ppl r saying that shes not actually doing this to get that ceo position back but to have a future contract termination?

[hoary frost]

I’m dying 😭😭

[hoary frost]

Huh 🤨

[leaden igloo]

Wow I was scrolling on the r/kpop megathread and it’s really night and day

I want to know if there’s a demographic split between r/newjeans and r/kpop.

[waxen musk]

I love this summary: https://x.com/NewJeansMuseum/status/1844736645972492365

NewJeans Museum (@NewJeansMuseum) on X

OUTLINE

2023

JUNE 30TH - R U Next? Begins

JULY 21ST - Group concept and brand planning for new group finalized by Belift Lab

AUGUST 28TH - NewJeans’ Planning Documents were received upon request by new group’s future creative director

SEPTEMBER 1ST - New Group lineup is

Twitter · Oct 11, 2024, 1:47 PM

[short laurel]

just don't use reddit. it's ruled by company stans, not idols stans

[waxen musk]

Any truth is suppressed by the upvoting/downvoting system. Even if people provide evidence and sources, people tend to not end up seeing it if downvoted. It's a severely flawed system.

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/kapsoo/status/1844720137024549292

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241011 kapsoo Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/kapsoo/status/1844720137024549292
#뉴진스 #NewJeans #Hanni #하니
환경노동위원회 국정감사. This is Uncle Kapsoo. 15일 하니 출석하면 국정감사 회의장에 국회 출입 사진, TV 방송 카메라 기자 1천여명 넘게 몰릴거에요 정치부만. 국감장 회의실 밖에도 연예부, 사회부, 외신 기자들까지
진치고 기다릴듯. 하니 경호 어떻게?

[north geyser]

Yep reddit sucks for this kind of stuff

[hoary frost]

Rule number 1 - don’t go on Reddit

[leaden igloo]

R/kpop is sooo weird tho because the rest of my Reddit feed like r/politics and r/books are filled with people who hold the same beliefs as I do (I’m liberal)

I also think living in an echo chamber is generally not the way to go

[short laurel]

he maybe supporting hanni. but we gotta remember he is a politician. people calling him uncle 😵‍💫

[waxen musk]

Also just by sheer quantity of BTS fans, a voting system like this tends to favour the more popular side. There's no winning when it comes to numbers for us (on reddit specifically).

[short laurel]

twitter despite being broken by elon, is nice cuz u c all sides of the argument.

[waxen musk]

Yeah there's nothing stopping you from seeing anything on Twitter.

[short laurel]

hybe fans, not bts fans, anyone who so openly denies bts members complaints are not bts fans.

[waxen musk]

You know what I mean.

[hoary frost]

Oh no the room looks kinda intimidating … praying for Hanni

[waxen musk]

Intimidating for sure and I'd be shitting myself if I were in her position but all she has to do is recount her experiences and tell the truth, not as hard as trying to make shit up and defend yourself on the opposing side.

[clear sparrow]

You’ll get flooded with the downvotes if you even say one nice thing about NJ, not even related to this drama. Full of crazy antis

[wheat raft]

shes really brave. Seeing the comments made about her on some social media posts are actually crazy or borderline evil lol

[leaden igloo]

Yup… my karma is probably in the negatives! I don’t care about fake internet points but I’ve genuinely never held an unpopular view until now so all this a new and bewildering experience.

[orchid field]

one is nj lover another just hates women or anything not bts

[wanton spruce]

i think what that person meant is that even if mhj gets reinstated I think hybe will still remove her?? or like sabotage them so either way its not good for them to stay, and shes trying to show the evidence and how bad hybe is to get that future contract terminated somehow and go to another label, idk if that makes sense, could be completely weong lmao

[copper current]

I think whatever happens, NJ and MHJ just have to fight any obstacles one at a time, if they are afraid of things and just use the easiest way that is terminate contract, then the consequences may be bigger. usually shortcuts always bring greater risks and costs more

I talk based on my personal experience, take short cuts and it takes longer, instead just encounter issues and resolved once at a time is better

[steel depot]

belift making unnecessary noises... can they just plaster their mouth and take the blow since no one on their team is genius... can they just take the truth and shut up... im so tired of them...

[copper jetty]

I do agree with this idea in general but in this instance where their company is out to get them, i don't think it'll help at all to stay. MHJ getting kicked out, media play, sabotage and halted albums and cb are gonna be a reoccurrence and in the long run it'll affect newjeans' future activities, their image and branding.

Also let's not forget how sweet and supernatural are both successful but i think it also could have been more successful if not for this general hybe vs mhj issue so them staying would mean we would get media play issue during every cb. It's tiring for MHJ, NewJeans and to us.

[hoary frost]

they can't just leave. it means leaving their IP behind. even if they go to court to fight over IP, it will take years.

for example, Highlight (beast) has just reclaimed their original name. been in court for it since 2017

same happened to Shinhwa i think

they won their trademark after 12 years of fight

[copper current]

yeah, NJ will not be able to perform their old songs if they leave. And Hybe really wants NJ to terminate contracts. They want to ruin things MHJ created

[copper jetty]

That is true but it would be good for them in the long run though. You're saying that taking the way out is like a shortcut but I actually disagree on that. It's going to be a long fight, long halted cb but if they win against all odds then hybe wouldn't be able to touch them aside from just media playing NJ and MHJ so that's less of a worry for them instead of trying to fight hybe and worry about MHJ position aside from the media play they're getting hit with.

[hoary frost]

i think their old songs can re recorded (taylor strategy) if sk law allows it

[copper current]

It is not easy, very complicated

[hoary frost]

no, i agree with u. if they end up rebranding, i would not mind tbh

as long as they are free from this hell

it will be better in long term as you said. hybe will sabotage them either way

they have less than 5 years left on contract and def wont renew

i guess only real issue in this case is termination fee, which could go either way

[ionic rain]

I don't think is just the fee

because they can make a legal statement and ask do break the contract as everything that is going on is unfavorable to them in terms of working (they have enough proofs), mhj is almost out of hybe, so whats the deal?

for me they don't want to give up, they don't want to give what hybe wants and they seem to want to fight back to the major company who wants to do everything as they want

at some points they seem exhausted but bunnies are fighting too, we're giving so much strenght to them to keep going over this hell and adress everything

[copper current]

https://youtu.be/AK7Yzt3fgF8?si=O1-ByH22z0XvEBES

[ionic rain]

they simply don't want to lose to them, and they'll keep fighting with bunnies to overcome this

[copper current]

yeah, I am used to the fight now. At first it was overwhelming but now I am fine, when they throw anything back to NJ, bunnies fight back and embarrass them more. If NJ and bunnies give up, imagine how many more cases like this happens.

I just don't want evilness to win, just think of it as a historical drama or hero movies, heroes need to fight constantly and cannot let evil win

[ionic rain]

it's funny but is just like that

just like the Disney movies Hanni loves so much

[sly python]

did we win?

[north geyser]

That was me when I commented in r/politics, was on the negatives and couldn't comment on other subreddits

[stiff prairie]

i don't understand why ppl go to r/kpop. they just act like they're all intellectual and logical and vastly superior to twitter stans when they're basically the same, uses same talking points just w different big wordings to make them seem better or smth

if you want newjeans on reddit just go to r/newjeans

[sly python]

the subreddit is toxic, internet lawyers who just care about getting more music/content

[stiff prairie]

r/newjeans?

[copper jetty]

Calling them Internet lawyers is funny tbh.

[copper jetty]

No r/kpop and the other kpop subreddit

[ionic rain]

they're good as hybe lawyers

[copper jetty]

More like company wives and husbands with how loyal they are.

[stiff prairie]

Ahh yeah. Cause I was confused since r/newjeans also has a megathread where all law talks take place

[copper jetty]

Okay so I'm reading Belift's PR and how it contradicts the timeline for RU NEXT and the video they released before... Am I missing something cause I just read that they admitted that they had NewJeans planning docs.

In the statement though where did they admit it?? Cause I don't think i see it???

[stiff prairie]

They "kinda" admitted to receiving the newjeans plan.

They just said since they already planned out their group before receiving the newjeans info they couldn't have copied it

[copper jetty]

Do you have a link?

Thanks

[stiff prairie]

Which is contradictory to the timeline they said on their yt vid

[stiff prairie]

I saw it here but it's probably buried now. Maybe check the pins?

[copper jetty]

Ok thanks ill check the pins

[stiff prairie]

And I said kinda because they didn't outright say we did receive this newjeans formula. They said even if we did, the time when we received was blah blah...

So basically they can say later on we didn't receive it at all.

[copper jetty]

Which is indirectly them admitting

[blazing sky]

Is there a tldr on whats going on 🥲

[stiff prairie]

And they probably will since I have yet to see an ounce of shame from them

[copper jetty]

Directly contradicts their statements, though that they don't have any newjeans related documents

I think we should brace ourselves for media play again tomorrow. Cause they might attack the whistleblower

[sly python]

r/kpop & that "uncensored" one

[stiff prairie]

Check pins

[stiff prairie]

It's been their game all along

[copper jetty]

I'm kind of scared for the whistleblower cause remember when hybe followed NJ stylist to her home?? I still haven't forgotten how thuggish that is and if it was in another country (would count as illegal).
And how hybe stans on reddit agreed that being accused of doing wrong things would justify hybe doing it. 🤡

[orchid field]

actual hell on earth i have those blocked

[clear sparrow]

At the injunction, MHJ basically reaffirmed that she was not planning to steal NJ, she has been doing her duties faithfully as CEO, and the only reason HYBE started an audit which resulted in those allegations is because she filed an internal complaint with HYBE regarding plagiarism by BELIFT. Those allegations have then been used as the basis for her wrongful removal from ADOR.

She asserts her plagiarism claims with new evidence where a HYBE employee/whistleblower admits to sharing NJ brand and launch strategies with the BELIFT creative director. (With receipts 👀)

https://x.com/juantokki/status/1844564128649871798?s=46

[clear sparrow]

Now, BELIFT has posted their official response trying to refute these claims by saying that the ILLIT branding strategy was completed (Jul 2023) before the whistleblower shared the plans (Aug 2023). But people started looking at the video that BELIFT had originally posted when MHJ did her first press conferences and found conflicting statements. There I believe the CEO mentioned the planning started in Sept 2023.
https://x.com/nwjns1/status/1844678323391128051?s=46

[hoary frost]

my hunch tells me that they revamped concept after seeing newjeans blueprint. thats why it took them more time to debut unlike enhypen who debuted immediately

and end result became "derivative of newjeans" which caused shit ton of talks and dilution of NJ IP

[copper current]

What do you think their concept this time? still copying

I didn't see one piece of their videos so I have no idea

[hoary frost]

i have my thoughts about it but i dont think it matters. the core issue is whether debut strategy was ripped off, the rest is unnecessary to comment on

[cosmic belfry]

BELIFT can claim whatever they want but the most damning thing is having the document before debut in the first place.

[hoary frost]

true. why do they need it if they have everything finalized

[clear sparrow]

Ikr, they even admitted it in their official statement. Like why even have it?

[hoary frost]

yeah, they also have not mentioned whistleblower who sent it to mhj and only focused on "mhj is lying"

saying this is public opinion manipulation when this directly proves that hybe acted against their subsidiary and stole their strategy

[copper current]

I don't like that group one bit after knowing they steal but Hybe may do payola for them and market everything for them. I really hate seeing thieves and evil people become sucessful by trampling on others

[hoary frost]

lets not. they are also victims of this situation and incompetent executives. its not like they wanted for this to happen

who should be blamed is bsh, belift ceo and such.

the fault lies in the fact that BSH does not see subsidiaries as independent entitled, but as "his divisions"

[clear sparrow]

It’s not ILLIT’s fault. It’s BELIFTs fault for tainting their brand even before its conception.

[hoary frost]

hence, he messed with all labels and thinks it is okay to do so

hybe's governance structure is flawed and this is why all of this is happening

what will happen if MHJ loses this injunction?

[clear sparrow]

Well I think there would still be some negotiations on her position as producer in ADOR, since HYBE stated in the injunction that they were still willing to have her on board, just not CEO. But MHJ may reject that offer if she doesn’t like the terms. If that happens then idk what would happen with the girls

[hoary frost]

production contract is all talk. not even made in good faith. she won't sign that

imagine reporting to VP who has no knowledge of entertainment business

[copper current]

let's wait and see the options after the result for injunction is announced. To be honest, I am looking forward to the audit and Hybe needs to pay for CB in November. There are many events can change things drastically

[clear sparrow]

It’s also just the principle of it. As CEO she was acting on behalf of NJ/ADORs interests by filing the plagiarism complaint, then HYBE decided to retaliate with this BS

[vapid turret]

Guys I need a source. Is this true?

The poster is talking about MJH. I'm not some stan for her I just feel that many HYBE boot lickers are going into conspiracy theories.

[ionic rain]

of course it's true, like she’s doing that for 6 month straight /j

[vapid turret]

So it is a conspiracy statement.

I meant to put a period.

[ionic rain]

yes, in the first press conference she explained every name hybe said she dropped was a false accusation

[copper current]

I don't believe anything from the mouth of those fans

they lied too much so just fact check

[vapid turret]

Yeah is seemed a little sus considering that Le Serrafim supports the girls.

[steel depot]

lots of them misinformed

[ionic rain]

bts too

[vapid turret]

And even BTS member Jungkook said that the girls did nothing wrong.

[ionic rain]

most of them at least

[vapid turret]

And Illit are just rookies why would they want to bully the girls?

They're just doing what their managers are telling them to do especially because they're so new.

[midnight zodiac]

hybe stans: they got hacked

[steel depot]

or not even gonna try to look for legit info bcos they are anti or company stan

[vapid turret]

Why are they even stanning companies in the first place?

Are they anti-worker rights or something?

[steel depot]

idk they're that weird

[midnight zodiac]

i really don't understand it either

[vapid turret]

I mean come on I feel that we tokkis would be more pro union compared to other fandoms.

I mean why don't idols have a union? I'd kill to see a picket line of idols going on strike.

[steel depot]

they always use this excuse im sick of it

[vapid turret]

Come on Jung Kook is 26 he's an adult. Let him be one.

[steel depot]

ikr

[half knot]

I can't believe MHJ provided proof, and Belift Labs confirmed it by accident like a bunch of idiots. They couldn't even remain consistent on the dates they had provided in previous statements and that disasterous video.

[red thorn]

She said those names
illit, to address her suspicion towards the company regarding plagiarism
Lsf, to address bsh betrayal
Bts, to confirm what the media report first that there's alleged statement from her something like "bts copied me"

[half knot]

when you lie and lie and aren't able to keep the lies consistent.

poor girls in ILLIT, poor girls in RUNEXT, none of them deserved to be pawns in this ego feud. Neither does NJ girls, but this is about their careers and professional futures.

None of this would have happened if HYBE had not decided to make this whole thing very public.

And every single time people are starting to forget, HYBE brings up their other artists again.

As their court case in may/june showed in the court filings, they really didn't have much and were refuted/denied point by point by the judge, so they really did this entirely on purpose to make it as public as possible and drag as many fandoms and general public audiences into the fight as possible. Initially as a character assassination/pressure campaign, now more so desperation and just pure idiocy.

Nobody had even brought up ILLIT in this new phase when NJ claimed mistreatment in their livestream, HYBE goes in with mediaplay mentioning ILLIT's manager and all the shenanigans about CCTV like a bunch of ... there's really very few fitting words for this but I'll refrain ... and then BELIFT labs starts releasing statement after statement implicating themselves with their denials and vague threats of lawsuits and criminal complaints...

Belift CEO is also HYBE's Chief Operating Officer (COO)|
even in case of ador, MHJ was still HYBE's Chief Branding Officer and CEO of Ador at the same time, and now the head of HR is CEO of Ador.

✨ such an independent multilabel system ✨

either commit to the Universal Music model of a hundred smaller labels and companies that are actually independent, or don't and use the JYP/SM division/centers system, why this half-assed pretentious system?

[red thorn]

Pretend muti label also IT company wannabe

[midnight zodiac]

to keep things ambiguous and make it easier to manipulate in their favor

[vapid turret]

Still I'm less concerned with MHJ and more concerned about the girls.

Imagine if MHJ wasn't even in the picture. I feel that the girls deserve some respect.

All I want is for the girls to get through this and be safe to the point where they can have a world tour and change companies one day.

[copper current]

If MHJ were not there, they would not have debuted

[vapid turret]

I didn't mean like that. I meant about the controversy specifically.

[clear sparrow]

Yes and she never insulted them or attacked them. But to the antis, if you even utter their names without any praise, they’d think you were wishing death on them 🫠

[vapid turret]

Even if MHJ isn't CEO again I'm sure this court case can at least get negotiations so the girls can feel safe and respected.

[mossy tartan]

nowadays half the armies dont even like bts, they're more about being hybe stans

[vapid turret]

So why can't people simply blame the older adults around these idols?

[clear sparrow]

Easier to use the idols as the punching bag

[vapid turret]

In the end, I feel that if anyone could go back in time, MHJ would tell herself to never sign up with HYBE.

[mossy tartan]

because these adults use idols as human shields, like when hanni mentioned the ignore incident she was very careful to protect the group involved, and hybe went threw illit under the bus immediately

[vapid turret]

Yeah, and now more toxic Tokkis are blaming Illit despite the fact that they did nothing wrong.

They literally just debuted this year. Newbie idols shouldn't be blamed for the actions of their management.

In my mind, it's 100% not fair that HYBE and MHJ got into this mess and people are saying that the careers of idols are over. All while people like Huyna got married to Mr. Burning Sun bystander and she still has her failing career and fans.

[mossy tartan]

its not fair on the girls, but to toxic fans and wider music industry as a whole will always look at them as a product of plagiarism forever

[vapid turret]

And again they didn't do anything wrong. They were just doing what they were told to do.

The same goes for NewJeans before their emergency stream. They were just doing what they were told.

Heck two of Illit's members are still just kids, you can't blame them.

[tawdry vessel]

Even before this whole issue, they're already jealous of nj's success cause their fav groups flopped. And now this issue gave them the reason to go basically unhinged and spread hate

[mossy tartan]

if you are told to steal would you steal?

i'm not bashing the girls btw, just saying this logic wont fly

[vapid turret]

In the world of K-pop there are many times where you can't say no.

[vapid turret]

The toxic fans?

[cerulean lake]

i mean it’s not necessarily the girls knowing that the directors behind the scene shared stuff so let’s not put it on them

[tawdry vessel]

kpop stans, 80% of them are toxic

[mossy tartan]

the way industry people dont show support for lsfm, illit but very supportive of nj spoke volumes, these people know far more than average people like us would ever get to hear

[jolly junco]

~t https://x.com/jebbygs/status/1844883701273968928?s=46&t=Rf0MFOpPEsPDO_zBu2aZ7A

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241011 jebbygs Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/jebbygs/status/1844883701273968928
Translating NewJeansForever’s wonderful post.

Why did Hybe cause this entire situation by claiming “Usurpation of Management Rights”, which has no grounds in reality?

I recreated flow of the happenings to September based on Articles and core themes within them, stock prices,… https://x.com/i/web/status/1844883701273968928

[cerulean lake]

but even if beliit were saying that they didn’t even use their formula it’s still poses the question of why they even needed that in the first place

[vapid turret]

Tell me something I don't know!

[cerulean lake]

like why are people not questioning that and are more focused on the dates

[mossy tartan]

they revealed date to media, realised they got caught lying within 5mins so in official statement omitted dates or any other 'proofs'

legal battles are expensive

[cerulean lake]

well at least they basically confirmed they got the files

which means they requested them

[mossy tartan]

court already acnowledged it was plagiarism even before smoking gun, now belift looking at getting hit with multiple plagiarism suits

[red thorn]

What even BSH thinking, probably he thinks it's game developing making new IP, "borrow" one of his labels' creative plan/materials thinking as if it's division rather than individual label

[short laurel]

He was very much involved in illit, that's why his bias is strong.
N he nvr even meet nj properly from what we know.

[ionic rain]

when lsrfm said them meet him often and even go to his house I undestood nj was outside of his field

[half knot]

producers really shouldn't be this close with their artists, kind of weird, and I say that for both the other HYBE artists as well as NJ with their respective executive producers

sure, closeness creates better art (generally speaking) but it also creates co-dependence

especially considering the age many of these idols start their careers, in their impressionable formative years

[twin cypress]

well my theory from everything leaked from the start is that he put mhj in charge of forming the first gg didnt like the concept and didnt believe in njs success globally because it went against the blackpink aespa model of ggs. Saw Sakura and Chaewon available and decided to form his version of bp and aespa with lsfm. Didnt expect NJs debut to be as successful as it was, didnt expect their first comeback OMG/DITTO to break the internet, and definitely didnt expect Get Up to debut #1 in billboard and beat out Barbie. And what hurt him most is the fact that he couldnt take credit for njs success cause mhj kept him away. So he decided to make his own njs with illit

[short laurel]

Yea people point this out with mhj, but bsh too is same in this, actually many in kpop are like this, founders of big 3 are seen very close to their 1st bg n gg.

[twin cypress]

I also think he hated the little amount of music that njs releases per year cause they do release little compared to lsfm. He probably wants NJs to consistently pump out music to make the most amount of money

[short laurel]

He wanted the 1st global successful hybe gg to be his os what we suspected.

[twin cypress]

Which is why he wanted established names like Sakura and Chaewon and wanted to copy the model of gg of bp and aespa. He really wanted his group to be on the same level of bp and it hurt his ego that he had that group in NJs and fumbled it 😂

[jolly junco]

In normal circumtances yes its weird. But you need to know that these girls/boys were trainee since they are very young. Someone need to guide them if they want to survive in this industry and its damn well not their own parents since their parents are not from the said industry

So i’m thankful if those said producer are like MHJ who respect women

[short laurel]

Everything being talked about here has been talked about for millions time here, it's echo chamber. Remember guys it's mostly speculation based on their public actions, we don't whats really going on inside, we don't understand their reasons, all we know is that nj is suffering under them.

[copper current]

If MHJ is not in ador, I doubt NJ can have comeback, Hybe will half ass everything

[jolly junco]

Correction, all we know that NJ need MHJ (they said it themsevles, not me)

[short laurel]

We don't want people to make speculations as facts in their mind.

[short laurel]

I mostly talking about bsh behaviour

[jolly junco]

I saw some tokkis even here hate MHJ for whatever is happening, why would you hate her? Even the victims of this feud (Newjeans) didnt hate her, instead they love her even more

[short laurel]

They believe in the rumours n allegations mhj had since her sm days, even though they've been proven wrong.

[twin cypress]

Cause there are some tokkis that try to appeal to outside fanbases for validation and as a result they adopt the anti mhj mentality

[short laurel]

N that too

[jolly junco]

If they are true non of the sm artist will support her

But in reality they are supporting her, even her old collegue

[twin cypress]

My thing is if you really think mhj is a **** as a female ceo then how do you not think every single male ceo is worse

[short laurel]

All sm artists she worked with support her n only Said positive things about her.

[twin cypress]

No anti mhj person can give legitimate reasons as to why she is a “bad person”

[short laurel]

But fandoms especially intl ones view the cherry pick translation so their perceptions are flowed. Especially when big names are involved.
There have been cases where intl fans are more critical n in right than korean fans but that's mostly cuz there's no giant fandom especially spreading wrong translation.

[short laurel]

Even if we consider the allegations as true(ofc they are false), she is still touching the surface compared to what so many others do in the industry. Yet the hate she gets is 100 times more than the rest.

[mossy tartan]

korea weird place, there's probably 20 korean diddy and half of them at hybe

[jolly junco]

IJBOL

[copper current]

I don't hate MHJ, the more I learn about Hybe, the more I think she is the victim as NJ. First, she is a whistle blower who raised the concern about plagiarism first with Bang Pd and it rubbed him the wrong way because he was the final culprit so he controlled Hybe to blast the full PR and distorted facts for fans to hate on her because of ridiculous accusation like shaman etc. Bang Pd even made NJ international fans hate her. Do you want to see Belift steal concepts of NJ and let a copy group to win and finally outperform the group? I just think her whistblower work is what NewJeans want to do too

[short laurel]

They just target her cuz she is a female in high position n her behaviour is kinda weird but that's kinda normal for artists since that's what it takes to survive in backstage art related fields. As it's not really well respected field.

[short laurel]

It was in continuation of this

[copper current]

Just put yourself in MHJ's position, what do you think? I think she is a good CEO, letting NJ members do podcast, talk with fans etc. go to museum. Her actions are sincere to help NJ members become more confident and outgoing

[half knot]

for every diddy that gets caught after decades of abuse, there's dozens more, it's the same in every entertainment industry.

[mossy tartan]

the number is 100 multiples for korea considering how lenient the law is towards the depraved

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/BunnieSociety/status/1844635373013442832

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241011 BunnieSociety Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/BunnieSociety/status/1844635373013442832
https://t.co/Dsjn6F7y12

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/nwjnsbts/status/1844691603622928517

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241011 nwjnsbts Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/nwjnsbts/status/1844691603622928517

1. they initiated group brand planning AFTER September 1st, which obviously means it got finalized later on, NOT on July 21st unlike their claim!

2. all these statements they're releasing back to back in BELIFT acc is nothing less than throwing a full blown TANTRUM

[short laurel]

Among the developed countries, but sadly there are others worse than korea..

[jolly junco]

HYBE just hate her because she is good at her work but doesnt use that skill to milk more money from the fans

[mossy tartan]

for sure

bts, blackpink, twice doing comebacks next year

its not exactly a bad idea for mhj and nj to clear out these legal issues and comeback in 2026 with venom

[copper current]

no, no 2026

i am a fossil at that time

[short laurel]

Conflicting release with them for year doesn't matter, just have to avoid the same week. Pray everything to resolve by this year instead n nj1 n tour next year

[mossy tartan]

at which point will bts speak up, their money being stolen by execs to buy up mansions and blow on failed business ventures

and their own fandom got turned against them

[short laurel]

When in upcoming NA make law that gives protection n rights to idols

[jolly junco]

When their contracts end 🤣

[copper current]

I am afraid Hybe signed with them 10 more years, oh lord

[mossy tartan]

bts speaks up tour 2031?

[twin cypress]

nah lets just consider facts: In a couple of months after debut mhj moved them to a luxurious dorm that went viral for how nice it was, gives them long vacations so they can chill with family/attend school if they want/be part time models, consistently allows the girls to give input in their songs and gives them writing credits, doesnt show preference to any one member over the other and highlights all their unique charms, doesnt overwork them, doesnt force them to get cosmetic surgery like veneerlift labs, and allows them to sing in their vocal ranges so when the encores do come they sing well and dont get a hate train, etc

[short laurel]

10 no, that would be illegal thx to hardwork of tvxq

[jolly junco]

I dont know how long is their renewed contract, but afaik a renewed contract usually not for 7 years. Maybe 3-4 years

[short laurel]

Ofc.

[copper current]

even after that Hybe will wring them dry and threaten blah blah, if they don't step up then vola~ bye bye their IP and lawsuit to get back IP

[jolly junco]

Well in short MHJ is good choice for Newjeans, no one can deny that

[mossy tartan]

in an abusive industry mhj have set an example of treating talent right, this is the kind of blueprint you're supposed to steal belift, not the trade secrets

[short laurel]

They can't go against BTS even if hybe wants to. Intl army will rip them apart lol

Anyways atleast jk will have something to say after his military service.

[copper current]

I wish they couldn't but they already did. You didn't read panchoa news about BST mistreatment then. They already left V solo out and tried to underperform his work, some fould play work here and there for Jungkook, etc. Their fans know more. I just read some panchoa post and sometimes seeing trending tags of Army like treating V better, treating Jungkook beter. They evene didn't tell JungKook about the world cup performance offer. so yeah, they think they are above evreything, even BTS is nothing to them. That company is already used to unrgratefullness and trampling on others just like Bang Pd

[short laurel]

It'll be different if bts tried to leave hybe, that will be the army united attack,

[copper current]

yup, I really want BTS to leave so Hybe can crumble. But you know what some BTS fans are Hybe stans, they will demnd BTS to stay in Hybe, I already predicted how stupid they are. They sometimes act more as Hybe stans than BTS stans

[short laurel]

They only have army to manipulate at scale. Without them they can't do much in intl public opinion

[short laurel]

It's been mentioned here be4 but those company stans denied bts members complaints over their carrier, just to hate on hanni.
They are cruel n were grilled by army themselves on twitter 😂

But it went offtopic n well we've been discussing something again n again.

[stiff prairie]

Any fresh media play this morning?

[short laurel]

Truely echo chamber like reddit 😂

Nothing new. Pins are up to date.

[bronze jetty]

i thought r/kpop would have had some nuanced discussions about this whole thing, but it truly is an echo chamber over there

[twin cypress]

i dont see the point of bts members staying in hybe i feel like they should try to go global by signing to umg or sony. they could probably get bigger bags there

[short laurel]

Not good for sanity but twitter is the most balanced place in this drama discussion 😂

[bronze jetty]

YES LOL the irony of it all

there is this one person i follow (she talks about american college football the most) but she definitely has some nuanced discussions about this whole thing on twitter. she is pro-nj of course

[short laurel]

Even if a person is neutral about this, belift actions make everyone look like pro nj

[waxen musk]

I don’t know how I didn’t think until now about these dates coming before and after NewJeans’ 2nd EP Get Up’s success. Surely it made them rethink things when constructing ILLIT.

There are already theories I’ve read about what ILLIT’s concept could have been related to Enhypen’s concepts, as shown throughout R U Next. So maybe things were “finalised” once, during the show, not taking the girls who would end up winning into account. This would have been just before Get Up’s global success. Then they see it beat out Barbie in the Billboard album charts and someone decides soon after at the end of August that maybe this direction is a much more lucrative one to pursue.

Of course this is such crazy speculation, but I’m just having fun wondering.

With there being a new video of the girls promoting one of the upcoming new award shows in November, and then being booked for a few award shows now into the end of December, I’m wondering how there performances will be. I wonder if the producers of their music will be involved in remixing their songs as is usually expected based on last year. I wonder if the choreographers are planning to do something special with dance breaks, etc. I’m basically wondering if the current situation will affect even this part of their future or if it can continue like before.

[vapid turret]

Invite to his house? RED FLAG!

[bronze jetty]

i know they probably have been invited to these award shows early on in the year, but i'm glad they've been confirming their attendance to go. trying to be positive in terms of schedules and stuff!

[waxen musk]

Honestly other than music production being halted, I wonder if they're accepting new stuff to do or if literally everything that's happening now was planned before MHJ was fired and things will start to quiet down from now. (Also talking about this in main chat tbh.)

I'm so incapable of seeing things going back to normal, as "normal" as April-August seemed. But it's all I want.

I'm starting to wonder about the timing for MHJ's removal as CEO. Why at the end of August. Was it possible they could have done it at any point from June-August?

[waxen musk]

I didn't realise just HOW MANY article titles this person has to translate. Even the ones not translated there are numbers saying June to July 739 articles as one example. It's insane.

[jolly junco]

~t https://x.com/NewJeansSTRM/status/1844944203815715256

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241012 NewJeansSTRM Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/NewJeansSTRM/status/1844944203815715256
ENG) Hello, this is Team Bunnies.

On the 10th and 24th of this month, HYBE Chairman Bang Si-hyuk was nominated as a witness for the Culture, Sports, and Tourism Committee's comprehensive audit. However, due to his current stay in the United States, he was not selected as a final

[jolly junco]

surprise surprise~

he is like a runaway fugitive

[copper current]

Hide in the US, what a coward, he is someone who can use people to shield himself if a bullet is coming his way. Anyone who follows him will become a puppet to die in his place

[waxen musk]

Remember how quick they were to respond the last time a pic of BSH in the US was put out there. Let's see if they'll bother this time, but if they do, let's see how quick.

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/jebbygs/status/1844883701273968928

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241011 jebbygs Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/jebbygs/status/1844883701273968928
Translating NewJeansForever’s wonderful post.

Why did Hybe cause this entire situation by claiming “Usurpation of Management Rights”, which has no grounds in reality?

I recreated flow of the happenings to September based on Articles and core themes within them, stock prices,…

[jolly junco]

@modern fog can we pin this?

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/PoppyKPoppie/status/1844947559321829485

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241012 PoppyKPoppie Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/PoppyKPoppie/status/1844947559321829485
grew up eating at in-n-out and now this very picture makes me never want to never have another double double. like stop making california your habitat.

[ashen glade]

shrek?

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-smirk-gif-3783069863447349174

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/PoppyKPoppie/status/1844950878098493475

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241012 PoppyKPoppie Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/PoppyKPoppie/status/1844950878098493475
when ozempic didn't even stand a chance.

[copper current]

oh poor ozempic

[jolly junco]

lets stop sharing these kind of tweet in this channel, we are here to discuss about MHJ vs HYBE, not to bodyshame him or anything else

[red thorn]

C'mon, why

I saw that kind of shaming thread ytd too, I think there's no need

[jolly junco]

if that picture is new then yes they will do everything they can to take down the article

[jolly junco]

dont stoop low like them, we are better than that

[red thorn]

Yeah exactly
I'm not holy or anything but, it's no good

[jolly junco]

~t https://x.com/juantokki/status/1844949782877569526

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241012 juantokki Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/juantokki/status/1844949782877569526
The Entertainment Industry is Vulnerable to Controversies
Reporter Kim Ho-yeon

HYBE’s success in generating more than 2 trillion won in annual revenue is largely due to the success of the multi-label system. The system allows HYBE to serve as the major shareholder in various

[jolly junco]

this reporter said there are investor exit from HYBE, who??

[harsh dove]

@NJ_Protectors <t:1728701141:d>

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/juantokki/status/1834263528674574489

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240912 juantokki Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/juantokki/status/1834263528674574489
Music producer and singer Sandee Chan (陳 珊妮) attended the Women's Film Festival press conference today and mentioned NewJeans' live broadcast from last night.

"I am very glad that there are so many people in the world who are not afraid of being labeled as witches. What Min

[vapid turret]

While western fans on reddit are clearly demonizing MHJ I want to know what are Korean fans saying?

I'm just hoping that once everything settles, I can unsubscribe from k-pop drama for good because I just want the girls to survive this.

[jolly junco]

i might be biased, but from what i've seen so far most of the general public in SK are on MHJ side

AND most artist/celebrity/producer who works in entertainment industry are too (except HYBE staff)

[half knot]

kpop reddit is just a different world

[tawdry vessel]

reddit is basically irrelevant

[jolly junco]

thank God my country banned reddit, i cant access reddit unless i use VPN

[tawdry vessel]

tell your friends if they know or use reddit, im sure 9 out 10 of them are gonna say what the hell is that

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1288826478624247868.gif?size=48

[warm hedge]

r/bangtan has 680K followers,
r/newjeans has 50K. its very one sided

[half knot]

the numbers are one thing, the fact that the moderations are one-side biased is another

[sage pilot]

Kinda off topic, but I got perma banned on r/kpop for making a joke about Jisoo’s solo. I commented meme “great gowns, beautiful gowns” and mods banned me forever for “trolling” 😭 Reddit is crazy, but each subreddit is different. Mods play a BIG role. Judging by MHJ mega thread on r/kpop, mods run a dictatorship there lol

[cerulean lake]

i think a lot of people just flocked there too

when i say people i means specific fandom 🙂‍↕️

[warm hedge]

I posted very similar comments on both NJ and r/kpop once, on r/newjeans it got 20 upvotes in a day, on r/kpop it was 20 downvotes in like 10mins

[sage pilot]

True, when I wasn’t banned on r/kpop, a-mys haven’t infested the subreddit. Mods there always disliked newjeans tho

Their karma is ditto mv post being the most awarded post there ever 🤭 (at least when I checked like months ago)

[warm hedge]

Yeah I originally thought r/kpop might be less biased but was so wrong. any reasonable comments get instantly downvoted, so they aren’t seen, but also those redditors just get disillusioned and stop making comments, so only the HYBE stans are left

[sage pilot]

Also, I remember countless posts on r/kpopuncensored about how illit are copies of newjeans when they first debuted. Now if you wanna make such a post, they’ll jinja kill you. Such hypocrites

[hoary frost]

lol armys uses their numbers to dictate everything in the kpop bubble even in YT you wont see any videos explaining the situation that is not pro hybe even when there is the CS is filled of misinformation

[short laurel]

It's what happens in the echo chamber. Now for them hybe claims have become facts. Nothing else matters. Even what courts said in the last injunction is mistranslated.

[vapid turret]

where are you frm man?

[sage pilot]

Yep. Armys are spreading hybe’s agenda literally everywhere. Tiktok, twitter, reddit, YT. Hybe got themselves very efficient attack dogs

[vapid turret]

Well no surprise since BTS has been around a lot longer.

[short laurel]

Some youtuber support hybe cuz clout. So they attack nj. We saw that during the 1st 2 months of drama, others just said k media is untrustworthy n they won't cover it. Or may cover it after it ends

[vapid turret]

But IMHO it's impressive that the NJ reddit got 50k two years after their debut.

[sage pilot]

It is. They are the most subscribed subreddit amongst newer groups

[warm hedge]

agree, it’d probably be even higher if Reddit wasn’t so anti NJ

[hoary frost]

i remember i commented on that Asian Entertainment and Culture channel way before i knew she was a hybe stan i didnt even say anything bad i just said that MHJ calling minji prettier when younger is just mistranslation and they mass report my account

[short laurel]

What gets me is how army lie about their own fav idols suffering. Sometimes they celebrate their suffering as some kind of achievement, apt other times they say that members never complain when members do.

[vapid turret]

Yeash, the BTS members are humans who deserve fair treatment too.

Am I the only one who believes K-pop idols deserve to feel comfortable? I wouldn't even mind if they gained a wee bit of weight so their bodies could keep up with the dancing.

[short laurel]

The account that lied about it is literally named bts defender.

[vapid turret]

Like all the dancing they do can burn a ton of calories and they should be eating enough to sustain their dancing.

[short laurel]

No. U wre not alone in this. There's countless examples of idols having no energy n broken body for the sake of weight

But we mostly hear about this from idols directly after they retire

[vapid turret]

Oh honestly there needs to be a pig out day once a week for idols. Not like binge eating day just a day where they can snack on what they like and then burn it off the rest of the week during dance practice while maintaining a more sustainable diet.

Like having one extra slice of cake isn't going to make them fat overnight.

[short laurel]

Beauty standards won't allow that. People are problem here sadly

[vapid turret]

You live in Korea?

[sage pilot]

Oh don’t get me started. I swear it felt like I’m watching psych ward escapees on twitter when nj mom’s interview first dropped. I still can’t believe they were riding so hard for mistreatment of idols and said “well bts were mistreated more and they never complained (they did)!!!!!!!!”. And how they called nj moms “stage parents”. It gets me so heated to this day

[hoary frost]

my biggest thing abt idols is having relationships i mean i get it if they dont want to but forcing someone not to date just to feed delusions to some parasocial fans i feel bad for those idols like some of them are 30+ like they should start a family or sumn

[short laurel]

N 6 foot idol having to maintain under 50 kg doesn't make sense but they force it.

[vapid turret]

That's 110 lbs in North America so that's underweight for most European women.

[short laurel]

No but it's common problem worldwide

[vapid turret]

Don't know what it's like for Asian women since Asian women tend to have smaller bodies and can't tolerate heavier weight.

[vapid turret]

I wish we could just normalize having a bit of extra body fat as a means to just be healthy. I have a bit of a pooch and I've had it since I was a kid. And I always get bloated after eating a big meal.

[short laurel]

Civilian idk but for idols they complained about lack of energy all the time, energy pills they take daily is also very potent.

[vapid turret]

It's normal for weight to be strange.

[short laurel]

Same. It was so disturbing to c

[sage pilot]

I agree and I think it’s one of the reasons why idol culture in general should be destroyed. Kpop idols should be considered artists. I loathe the original jpop idol concept and how it’s still deeply influence kpop

[vapid turret]

They can at least allow the idols to eat a healthy fruit and yogurt meal and low calorie but high nutrient Korean food.

[vapid turret]

Oh yeah and the J-pop idol concept has put lives of Japan's idols in danger.

Things you see in perfect blue and Oshi no ko, the stabbings yeah those have actually happened before.

[short laurel]

Honestly idk what they give trainees for food. All we c is their body breaking at young age.

[vapid turret]

If I was in charge I would make sure every one would at least be fed a healthy lunch in the middle of the day. And if they gained a little weight some dance practice and balanced meals can shed it.

[sage pilot]

Yep. That’s kind of stuff happened to a lot of kpop artists, too. At least kpop idols don’t have to do handshakes and gravure photo shoots

[vapid turret]

After all rapid weight loss will make them gain weight faster than waiting slowly.

[vapid turret]

Being stabbed by a fan? YEASH!

[short laurel]

I think that's what mhj do. I've nvr heard anything about weight of nj. But it's always a point of discussion among other gg's fandoms weirdly.
If i were incharge I'd lie about weight like they lie about height

[vapid turret]

I'd even try to normalize gaining a bit from time to time. A slight pooch doesn't mean you're fat it just means you're a human.

[short laurel]

But i m starting to c less of it now. Maybe cuz i look less now

[vapid turret]

Especially if you have a uterus it needs space to exist in.

[short laurel]

We are getting offtopic #kpop-chat should be right place to continue all this.

[sage pilot]

Do y’all remember how antis were trying to make a narrative that mhj starves nj when they saw bts from hybe boy 😭

[short laurel]

There was that?

For injunction?

[hoary frost]

can the decision come earlier or is it a set date?

[hoary frost]

yea

[jolly junco]

Cant be earlier than 25th

[short laurel]

Injunction next decision will be made on 26th. Either it ends there or another hearing in future date depends on body parties n judge

It's set date

[sage pilot]

It happened during debut days. I remember it was one of the many anti-mhj points. Strange they’re not using it now lol

[short laurel]

Iirc during debut haters were sm stans n blinks while defenders were hybe stans. It's complete opposite now

It was the usual petty fanwar so i didn't look deep.

[sage pilot]

You’re right lol A lot of armys were token stanning them and using nj achievements to take a jab at sm stans

Well I was in the trenches being a tokki and a sm ggs stan🤣 I may be biased, but confronting armys is worse than sm stans

[short laurel]

Yea i know that from hybe sm kakao drama

Imagine if hybe took over sm, n there bsh massage of step on aespa, n groups with less than mill sales disbanding under hybe, so much would've been lost.

[sage pilot]

Oooff it would’ve been the WORST. aespa would never flourish like they’re right now under hybe/bsh. As much as I hate Chris Lee, even a broken clock is right twice a day. I’m so glad hybe takeover didn’t happen

[hoary frost]

anybody saw that new yorker article abt BSH lol the contrast of his and MHJ interview is just so different like you could tell whos a creative and not

[jolly junco]

why is HYBE so keen on monopolizing the kpop industry

when i saw the news they were trying to take over SM i was baffled, like wtf

isnt it so much fun if you can build your own kpop group from scratch? especially if you have a succesfull past story with BTS

[short laurel]

i always questioned all of his interviews. but always confused by why everyone praises him. only to c people realising what he meant months or years later and question him then.

[stiff prairie]

basic capitalism

companies get rich w one of their products and then start buying out other cool new projects

[sage pilot]

Well bsh never was a creative and never will be. He started his career with plagiarism https://x.com/cakedegg/status/1793271209016307849?s=46
let’s hope karma will finally bite him in the ass and we’ll get rid of him for good

Cake🍀 (@CakeDegg) on X

Bang Si-hyuk, who started his career with plagiarism

Twitter · May 22, 2024, 1:22 PM

[hoary frost]

he prolly got influenced by scooter and them he got ties with lucian grainge hes prolly just a pawn for someone bigger

[short laurel]

he has been like that be4 scooter

[sage pilot]

Bsh wants to be perceived like a creative and kpop father so bad. He wants so be like JYP, who is his mentor, and Lee Sooman, who is his obsession. His obsession with LSM and everything related to SM (mhj, sm ex staff) is one of the main reasons why he was pushing for sm takeover so hard

[short laurel]

JYP and LSM are so problematic too

[jolly junco]

if you want to be successful you can't be less than problematic, thats the reality of adult world

[short laurel]

sad

[jolly junco]

they might be problematic but i dont think they are evil

[sage pilot]

They are, but at the same time, they’re real creatives and musicians. You can’t take that away from them. Bsh on the other hand is no one

[short laurel]

ooh i meant problematic in different way but not something i can say here. look it up.

[jolly junco]

but i cant say the same with BSH

[hoary frost]

lol theyre all evil but i do think JYP still have some of his artistic integrity left its just he dont want his grps to be bigger than him

[arctic sky]

Indog? Not banned only blacklisted ,vpn not needed really when u can easily change ur dns setting to other than ur isp assigned to.

[sage pilot]

Taehyung solo stans (?) saying HYBE/bsh copied v's solo (mhj's work) for other bts guys
https://x.com/Sweet_moresweet/status/1844534296616501365

TAEHYUNG 보라💜하다 (@Sweet_moresweet) on X

우린 이런일 있어도 어디에 제대로 하소연도 못했어요 팬들끼리만 끙끙 앓았지
도를 지나친 하이브의 표절, 도둑질하는 습관 이번에 제대로 불법이란걸 알려주세요
이 정도면 카피라기도 민망한 그냥 그대로 들어다 쓰는거 아닌가요?
양심 없는 하이브 방시혁 꼭 댓가 치르길
#하이브표절
#하이브국감

Twitter · Oct 11, 2024, 12:23 AM

[steel depot]

the never ending saga

[jolly junco]

IJBOL i didnt know about this, how can they look exactly the same?

[hoary frost]

lol not even surprised

[short laurel]

wait who is other guy. they even have slow dance on it. changing dancing to dance.

[sage pilot]

slow dance is jimin, the other one is rm

[short laurel]

wait not even 1 but 2 copied.

i rememebr hybe didn't promote V well at all. only reason i knew about V cb was mhj. while other 2 were promoted?

[jolly junco]

whaaat thats RM too??? i thought it was only jimin

[sleek crest]

☠️

[jolly junco]

LMAO what is this

is MHJ an idea bank for HYBE to rob anytime they want??? 🤣

[hoary frost]

to be me hybe is exactly like sm only difference is they got huge connections thanks to bts’s influence they’re just a bunch of old man looking at trend stats and numbers then copy paste no originality or creativity thats why mhj stand out on both companies someone who has their own vision

[short laurel]

MHJ did made the entire Hybe brand for Hybe.

so not surprising if hybe's entire idea bank is mhj

[short laurel]

looking deeply it's stretch. lets not be same as army in this.

different albums combined ot make this claim

[sage pilot]

idk if that's 'being the same as army'. jimin's one is pretty identical

[short laurel]

within same group. if there was problem members would've said that much to each other. this much honestly is fine. but tokkies screaming about it become same as when army were matching NJ mv's to creepy western movies.

and MHJ work in V's album was just in layover. not everything mentioned there is from layover but multiple albums. according to what i c and understand.

[sage pilot]

i don't think they would say anything like that to each other bc as i understand, the budget and creative team all come from hybe, they're the ones controlling things like that (except for v, he went to mhj). also i don't see how it's the same as armys being weird. this post just goes to show how hybe is recycling everything

[short laurel]

at the very least it's not plagiarism

[modern fog]

huh?

[mossy tartan]

~t https://x.com/NewJeansSTRM/status/1844942231461036481

[narrow seal]

241012 NewJeansSTRM Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/NewJeansSTRM/status/1844942231461036481
안녕하세요, 팀 버니즈입니다.

지난 10일, 24일 문체위 종합감사에서 하이브 방시혁 의장이 증인으로 신청되었으나, 현재 미국에 체류 중인 관계로 최종 증인으로 채택되지 못했습니다.

다만, 7일 감사에서 하이브와 관련된 여러 의혹들이 해소되지 않았고, 이에 추가 질의가 필요하다는 의견이

[modern fog]

okay but stop calling names.

[tall dew]

Error: Couldn't find a tag named https://x.com/hyeinstar/status/1844893957807038550?s=46&t=Rf0MFOpPEsPDO_zBu2aZ7A

[jolly junco]

I tought it was supposed to be NJ x Fortnite????

Damn wrong command

~t https://x.com/hyeinstar/status/1844893957807038550?s=46&t=Rf0MFOpPEsPDO_zBu2aZ7A

[narrow seal]

241012 HYEINstar Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/HYEINstar/status/1844893957807038550
hybe is doing their thing again? it's not surprising that they take advantage of the fact that now the newjeans collaboration is in trouble, money really does everything

[jolly junco]

~t https://x.com/hypex/status/1844891819097850076?s=46&t=Rf0MFOpPEsPDO_zBu2aZ7A

[narrow seal]

241012 HYPEX Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/HYPEX/status/1844891819097850076
HUH YUN-JIN x FORTNITE ICON EMOTE TOMORROW ‼️

[VIA @TheAgentShadow]

[modern fog]

I don't think its that deep

lol

[jolly junco]

Oh i thought they cancelled because of this 😭😭 my god i’m having trust issue now this is not good

[hoary frost]

Wow this is so disappointing especially on RM’s side. The ideas are too similar to MHJ. They know what it’s like to be copied from other artists but they do the same. Little bit of respect has been lost for sure.

So basically everybody at Hybe is copying MHJ’s ideas. Damn if I were her I would be furious as well.

For a company with so many resources why can’t they hire some other creatives from around the world who could come up with concepts for them? This shows there is nobody like her because why do they have to be lazy and cheat by taking her plans? I’m so put off I don’t think I can listen to any HYBE music.

[short laurel]

@hoary frost it's a stretch. they comparing multiple albums and combining them to make a story. to hate on hybe. hybe sucks but lets not focus on forced drama.

[hoary frost]

The jimin comparison is not a stretch

[short laurel]

V layover parts are there but not everything is from layover hence not from MHJ.

at best it's taking inspiration from it. and that is not copying.

[hoary frost]

It looks the scarily the same. So is Belift also taking “inspiration” from her then?

Let’s call copying for what is is. I’m so done with HYBE

[short laurel]

belift took entire formula. taking 1 or 2 things vs taking entire thing are different things.

if taking few things as inspiration are not allowed then art as a whole is dead field.

[hoary frost]

At the end of the day they copied. Wether they took 1 or 2 things

[short laurel]

and that much doesn't come under plagarism that post is trying to make. it's comes under creative freedom.

[hoary frost]

MHJ needs a safe to lock up her ideas. This is getting way out of hand 🤦‍♀️

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/SparklezTime123/status/1845000934050451578

[narrow seal]

241012 SparklezTime123 Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/SparklezTime123/status/1845000934050451578
-Email of BSH/Source copying MHJ 2021 concept after rejecting it
-Belift claiming illit was a contrast to Newjeans (but pointing out similarities)
-Belift creative director requesting nj planning documents
-Aesthetics being similar to mhj global plus audition concept

[vagrant marlin]

The leaker didn’t mention any interruptions like before so hopefully the development is going smooth

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/inetzreact/status/1845109828739276980

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241012 inetzreact Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/inetzreact/status/1845109828739276980
[Nate] Knets react to NewJeans' fandom: "Bang Si-hyuk is too busy to attend the National Assembly audit, but has time to chat with women his daughter's age in the U.S." https://tinyurl.com/yktnhvzz

#NewJeans #BangSiHyuk

[copper current]

Thank you 🙏

[jolly junco]

i'm surprised HYBE didnt take down BSH article with another woman

[orchid field]

we take that as a win

[clear sparrow]

What can we expect from the BDOR shareholder meeting on Oct 17?

[orchid field]

we will find out after oct 17

[wheat raft]

whats this shareholder meeting

so we have

• oct 15 hanni national assembly
• oct 17 ?
• oct 26 injunction results

[jolly junco]

I thought it was for November 2?

[waxen musk]

The 17th October is ADOR's shareholder meeting. On the 25th September "ADOR announced [they] will convene a shareholder meeting to vote to let her stay as a board member in what seems to be a sign of compromise."

"ADOR announced it will hold a shareholder meeting on Oct. 17 to vote for Min Hee-jin's extension as a board member but representatives of the NewJeans prodcer have called out the label's motion as a mere 'disguise'."

Source: https://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/news/2024-09-25/business/industry/Min-wary-of-manipulation-as-ADOR-announces-shareholder-meeting-for-Oct-17/2141881

To be honest I don't know what this really means. Probably that nothing will happen. We will still have to wait until the 26th.

[waxen musk]

The 2nd November is the date they will have to reinstate her as CEO if she wins the injunction on the 26th. Source: https://n.news.naver.com/article/003/0012812245?lfrom=twitter

I got the information from here: https://x.com/Oattokki_/status/1845110428562526617

NewJeans never die (@Oattokki_) on X

Good morning Tokkville ☀️

Here are some key dates this Oct 🗓️

October 15th Hanni National Assembly

October 17th (fraud)Ador Shareholder meeting

October 24th Kim Tae-ho COO of Hybe/CEO of Belift labs at the National Assembly

October 26th 2nd injunction decision

Twitter · Oct 12, 2024, 2:33 PM

[jolly junco]

😵‍💫 so many meetings and court hearing its getting chaotic in my mind with all the dates

[waxen musk]

All you need is the Tweet above tbh. I made it way more confusing by yapping and clarifying.

[short laurel]

it means. that even if she gets to be board members. it's her alone vs everyone from hybe. basically she will get cut at everything she trying to do. what we need is her people to get back on board.

[waxen musk]

Oh right yeah. Makes sense.

[rain spade]

seems impossible eh

[short laurel]

what she needs to prove to court in injunction is that hybe replaced board members with their people to counter her after previous injunction as loophole.
If she is able to do that. her position as well as her people will be back on baord.

[waxen musk]

How does a judge determine if that should be allowed or not? I guess they have to figure that out. Bit silly of me to ask everyon here, nobody knows. It's a bit scarier this time because it's hard to predict the outcome.

[short laurel]

finding loopholes to circumvent the original decision can be unlawful depending on situation. that situation being if judge is corrupted or not.

[waxen musk]

Whatever the law says, it's clearly wrong a way of doing business. You wouldn't want this type of thing to continue happening in other companies in the future. I hope the judge does the right thing.

[arctic sky]

It will be a long fight so better be prepared there wont be an easy solution to this im afraid.

[orchid field]

we are all ready to throw hands its all good

[wheat raft]

no idea but im curious as well. Like do they read through all the evidence and materials. Who determines if the materials are real? i have 0 clue on how legal and justice system works

[vapid turret]

Hey wait a minute wasn't HYBE also caught doing insider trading too?

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/cato_o_o/status/1845129443414626650

[narrow seal]

241012 cato_o_o Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/cato_o_o/status/1845129443414626650
Per qrt post

Article saying Mirae Asset, Samsung securities, Korea investments are fighting each other to issue HYBE CBs (lead underwriter).

A K-tokki contacted Samsung Securities to see if this is true, they said they did not. 🤣

If it was HYBE influenced, isn’t this illegal?

[copper current]

Everyone, tell your mom, your cousin, your sisters, your Korean friends that this is a scam, this is lies and don't fall for scam or they will be ruined by this scammer Hybe

[heady gate]

I don't know how to access Korea Securities Depository, therefore I can't validate the article about the 400B Won bond payment on Nov 7. https://pulse.mk.co.kr/news/english/11136083

[copper current]

Nov 7 comes sooner

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/cato_o_o/status/1845268621221634511

Cato_o_o (@cato_o_o) on X

Wow. You are right. The comments section is not amused with the article. It’s obvious that the Koreans are not buying the media play.

Who would? Over 99% of the last HYBE CB owners want early redemption.

I translated the first 2 pages of the comment section for amusement.

Twitter · Oct 13, 2024, 1:01 AM

[jolly junco]

who in their right mind would buy the CB with all these scandal around HYBE

unless someone need to laundering money

[waxen musk]

lol all it takes are a few comments on Twitter for me to gain so much confidence in MHJ winning. I'm so easily swayed between dread and hope.

[valid sierra]

any legal professionals here? does this count as stock manipulation?

[half knot]

the desperation is truly sad to see

[stiff prairie]

Any fresh media play today?

[heady gate]

On every Monday

Currently, it is Sunday 12pm KST

[stiff prairie]

Thought they'd abandon the Monday rule since so many shiis were brought up since the 11th

[valid sierra]

they have to, for their stocks

[jolly junco]

they need the whole weekend to cook some lies

[copper current]

https://theqoo.net/hot/3440519717

[orchid field]

Im betting on monday again

[stiff prairie]

never a mundane monday with them executives golfing around ⛳

[jolly junco]

~t https://x.com/teatp11/status/1845306980577182041

[narrow seal]

241013 teatp11 Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/teatp11/status/1845306980577182041
@kchartsmaster the article says that “Internal whistleblowers at the Korea Corporate Reputation Research Institute have accused the institute of manipulating rankings by favoring companies that pay for consulting services.”

[jolly junco]

HYBE is that you?

[short laurel]

Hybe getting best company to work for award was a joke n everyone knows that.

[heady gate]

The best mediaplay company award

[valid sierra]

as an employee i guess. they be defending their employees more than their artists

[short laurel]

Not really no, alot of ex-hybe employees only had bad views on the company

[orchid field]

praying to reach the boiling point so hybe finally gets a good hit

[vapid turret]

God some of the antis on twitter are now calling MHJ a p3dophil3 for some reason this is just conspiracy theory bullying.

Regardless how anyone feels about her calling her a predator is just beyond conspiracy theories.

[tawdry vessel]

hybe payola is real?

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/allkpop/status/1844967167394992457

[narrow seal]

241012 allkpop Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/allkpop/status/1844967167394992457
#NewJeans' streaming team calls out Bang Si Hyuk for dodging the National Assembly's audit to eat hamburgers in the U.S.
https://www.allkpop.com/article/2024/10/newjeans-streaming-team-calls-out-bang-si-hyuk-for-dodging-the-national-assemblys-audit-to-eat-hamburgers-in-the-us

[timber shell]

🤐

[stiff prairie]

it's been going on for a long time tho

meanwhile bsh goes out with girls less than half his age and they're the ones to defend him

[tawdry vessel]

most armies are women and yeah they're defending that man

disgusting

be better

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/eins73859/status/1845301211794407695

[narrow seal]

241013 eins73859 Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/eins73859/status/1845301211794407695
Article
->“In the process of selecting the underwriters for HYBE’s bond issuance, Mirae Asset Securities, Samsung Securities, and Korea Investment & Securities engaged in fierce competition, forming a three-way battle.”

Samsung Securities
-> “Our company has not been involved.

You cannot use this command!

[sage pilot]

~t https://x.com/njbubblegum/status/1845366260990869952?s=46

[narrow seal]

241013 NJBUBBLEGUM Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/NJBUBBLEGUM/status/1845366260990869952
Kim & Chang, HYBE's legal representation, hired a former judge who secretly photographed women on the subway. This lawyer is also a National Assembly member's son.

[wet sluice]

we shouldn't mention other groups/fandoms here

[modern fog]

real

[tawdry vessel]

people been mentioning fandoms since this thread was made lol

the thing that is not okay is talking bad to kpop artists/groups

[tawdry vessel]

look at the total results

[waxen musk]

Those are the results in the whole server.

[tawdry vessel]

yeah but p sure most of those are from this thread

[tardy smelt]

it'd be nice if the thread was kept to actual updates and discussions about the topic rather than gossip, all the useful information kinda gets lost

[tawdry vessel]

i agree but sometimes ppl get carried away so it's gonna keep happening im afraid

[south vale]

ngl after jk post bunnies and armies more peaceful than before

[south vale]

we can’t avoid just don’t care what they said

[tawdry vessel]

just yesterday ppl were talking about armys on reddit

frustrations and emotions do get you

but alex is right, it's not helping tho

[jolly junco]

when you discuss something, it will get astray a little bit because everything is connected in the end

you cant avoid that, its okay as long as we dont say something "criminal" about them and go over the line

its like when "those people" cursing MHJ because she "name dropped" some groups in her PC. But she need to say the groups name in order to explain things

[short laurel]

i'll say it again even if everyone knows it cuz it's always gets lost for some reason. mhj nvr blamed the other groups but the management of those groups.

[south vale]

agree

[vapid bronze]

Any recent tldr for me?

[tardy smelt]

what was the last thing you heard

[south vale]

Oh btw what they are talking on it can u send me the link

[arctic sky]

Mhmm thats why this thread used to be locked to prevent that and the pinned should be updated accordingly.

[hoary frost]

Nobody is talking bad about any group or artist here

[hoary frost]

Did the NA actually state that they have summoned him? BSH?

[tawdry vessel]

i dont have the link sorry

[tawdry vessel]

no one should

no artists/groups are at fault

it was just a statement, i wasnt telling it to anyone

[hoary frost]

Correct me if I am wrong but BSH was not one of the people officially summoned for NA. I thought the request from us to put him there was denied 😭 . Let’s focus on Hanni and supporting her real issue. Ignore that man in LA or else we will lose our minds. We literally look crazy because BSH hasn’t said a single thing since this case started.

[orchid field]

ok

[jolly junco]

His name WAS on the list for NA members to vote

[tawdry vessel]

hybe is bsh

[hoary frost]

No he’s not

[tawdry vessel]

he's part of it

[hoary frost]

And they didn’t vote him. Case closed

[jolly junco]

they did vote him, but he cant come since he is in the USA, thats why HYBE COO was called instead

[hoary frost]

Okay so let’s let it be

[tawdry vessel]

a BIG part of it

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1288826478624247868.gif?size=48

[bronze jetty]

it’s been like that since cookie was released 😭

[hoary frost]

Her old instagram was sus ngl but it’s dangerous to use that word against someone when they have no proof

[night delta]

Hi yall

[short laurel]

Alot of sus until u research on them n learn that the context of it people spread are so wrong, just know that there was nothing really illegal or dangerous about anything on her ig.

[orchid field]

here's a really good debunking thread and a tweet that made alot of sense to me
https://x.com/expmhj/status/1552490114130923522
https://x.com/nwjns1/status/1832808142465368454

✩ (@expmhj) on X

Here’s a detailed thread on the current situation surrounding ADOR’s CEO Min Heejin and her group NewJeans.

It includes official sources, provides context and is not biased. Consider retweeting this so it can reach a bigger audience.

#NewJeans #뉴진스 #MinHeejin

Twitter · Jul 28, 2022, 3:04 AM

𓃺🌈☁️🫧 🪐🔚💗 (@nwjns1) on X

What makes MHJ a pedo? Having a pic of Brooke Shields that she grew up watching? A still from a movie? She might be an eccentric artist but that doesn’t make her a pedo. You know what does? Hanging out with women half your age and marrying someone you knew when they were 14

Twitter · Sep 8, 2024, 3:48 PM

[modern fog]

bookmarked, thanks

[short laurel]

What annoys me about that painting drama (it's painting, not pic) is the actress long passed away n haters keep using her to hate on others, let her rest in peace already.

[night delta]

She didn't do anything "illegal" but it was a little weird she had a naked girl(s) plastered on her walls as a woman in her 40s no matter the context🤷‍♀️

[short laurel]

It's a painting.

N her childhood star probably.

[hoary frost]

Yes, the rumours got out of hand. And some people were using it as an attack on Newjeans and MHJ and some people were genuinely worried about the members working with her which was understandable at the time. I mean, in which context is her having those pictures hung up right then?

[short laurel]

N the girl was 21 year old woman

Learn about er*tic art. There's nothing wrong or weird for having an interest in it.

[hoary frost]

It becomes a little weird when it is about children don’t you think?

[wheat raft]

wow this is dated 2022, good thread

[night delta]

Didn't she also have pictures of Olivia and another male child actress in a nude scene from R&J. The girl was 15 and the boy I think 16 if I'm not mistake.

But anyways, whatever that was is not our business.

[short laurel]

Girl in painting was 21

[short laurel]

That was in movie but idk about male pic being in painting

[vapid turret]

And yet Hyuna got married to Mr. Burning Sun bystander and is still working.

Check that both of them are still working.

[modern fog]

this is MHJ vs HYBE Updates.

[short laurel]

What does hyuna has to do with mhj painting

[vapid turret]

I know I know I'm just giving an example of how unfair it is that conspiracy level claims against MHJ exist and when the girls demand respect from HYBE they're the bad guys in all of K-pop but then other k-pop stars or people in the industry can do something completely illegal and immoral with solid proof and they can still keep working.

[short laurel]

Yea. Others in kpop have done faaar worse but they barely get some amount of hate. It gets forgotten with time but mhj hate is 10x worse n nvr forgotten

[modern fog]

move on

[night delta]

I'm not talking about a painting

[modern fog]

okay that's it move on

[short laurel]

Ok sorry jhin

[vapid turret]

Yeah we're moving on.

[night delta]

It is a weird double standard for sure

[vapid turret]

I'm just really worried that MHJ is getting hit with lawsuit after lawsuit from HYBE because there's only so many one person can handle at once.

And it will give HYBE more ammo for their stans to attack the girls.

[modern fog]

Idk if I completely ynderstand what y'all talking about, but this MHJ IG post bullshit is way behind us and almost everybody moved on from that plus the thread debunking it is literally right above this conversation so I don't know what left to discuss, and last it's off-topic. so move on.

[hoary frost]

She is a strong woman, I’m sure she will find her way out of it. If HYBE has nothing on her, we just have to trust that the truth will come to light.

[hoary frost]

There is a thread debunking what?

[vapid turret]

I just hope best of all the girls will be safe and have successful careers in the end.

[waxen musk]

I like for there to be a place for people to ask questions and people post Twitter threads but it does get a bit messy.

[short laurel]

Links literally a few msg above angie

[short laurel]

Here

[night delta]

Like @jihin said, I thought we moved on from the IG posts. It was none of our business and this thread has been recently brought up again? What are we still trying to prove til today? A woman (well in her 40s) posted some pictures of young girls and boys in some questionable scenes and people lost their minds. That's it. We don't know her personally so we don't have to make any speculations.

[hoary frost]

I agree

[night delta]

We all don't know what was up with all of that, but all we know is that she is a good director and she's good at her job and we just need to focus and pour our energy onto that and the members themselves (They should come first). Everything else (wether she is a weirdo psycho or not) is not our concern.

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/cato_o_o/status/1845485528394711369

[narrow seal]

241013 cato_o_o Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/cato_o_o/status/1845485528394711369
@yuijeans @Guansansa1 What MHJ is doing with second injunction is the reinstate the shareholder contract as well as to get her CEO position back which is also protected in the contract.

That PD offer we all know was media play. They could fire MHJ at anytime for any vague reason.

[wet sluice]

still, i dont think it's okay to mention other groups/artists/fandoms (imo)

[hoary frost]

this thread needs a mod. and it is better to be locked when mods are not active. when there is no news, yall recycle same old topics anyways and going in circles.

[night delta]

I agree. We need to be respectable to everyone as artists are not guilty - What JK said.

[orchid field]

i like having this discussing space having it locked is like being silenced

[waxen musk]

People need to be able to ask questions, they need to have a place to talk about things that shouldn’t be talked about in the main chat. As long as important news is consistently updated and pinned, I think chatting away is fine. I’m fed up with people today specifically constantly complaining about the situation of people chatting too much about certain topics and telling people to move on. It feels people are saying lock the thread but then we’ll have to rely on mods to reopen it and post new news, often with a delay. If people don’t want people to talk in here then they should stop reading and only come back to check if there are new pins, ignore us yappers, but let us yap.

[leaden igloo]

let yappers yap!

[tawdry vessel]

💯

[night delta]

I think the main thing they are concerned about is having old news resurface. Which I totally understand, they don't want new news to be drowned in the old stuff.

[waxen musk]

That’s what the pins are for. To check the new news. If people want to discuss old news because they want to understand things better or have questions, I think let them.

[hoary frost]

I agree on that. Let’s not force people to just “move on”. We may move on but the things of the past are still there and we can’t erase them. Some people will want to revisit them to get a better understanding.

Some things are uncomfortable or ugly to talk about but that doesn’t mean we should shun them.

[sage pilot]

No offense, but your comment about MHJ is why we need this thread open. There’s so many misinformation, lies, and twisted narrative about the girls and/or MHJ that we need a space to correct it all. Ppl constantly come here to ask questions about the situation and we need the space to answer them truthfully and openly. Also having a discussion about various standpoints is important, too. Ppl that need the access to the latest news can simply check the pins, that’s why they’re here in the first place

[short laurel]

Ppl still don't understand what mhj complained about n how all this started. Even tokkies spreading misinformation (in good faith) so much. People don't know what is true n what is not anymore on both sides aside for few who are actively following the drama. So old topic coming up should be considered fine to help them understand what actually happened. It goes to both sides of the drama, haters n fans.

But upto whatever server staff decides

[night delta]

I understand that there may be some truths twisted about Min Heejin in particular. What I was talking about is the fact that people are still trying to "correct" (like you say it) something so sensitive like her posting minors on her instagram in some weird scenes that normally a woman in her age won't have. I think some things are not worth "correcting" because we don't know who MHJ truly is and why she has those pictures. It is what is it. A woman had those on instagram. What more can you say to defend something like that.. What really we should be looking at things with substance and proof which MHJ has against HYBE. That we can defend her from antis because this directly harms Newjeans

[short laurel]

Haa i give up.

[hoary frost]

Why are we still talking about this 😭?

[stiff prairie]

what's up yall

[hoary frost]

Yes and we can also defend her on stuff like people attacking her and calling her a P word. Nobody has proof that she is or not. But I think I get, it’s about people making stuff about her in order to defend her.

[stiff prairie]

hybe not doing new media plays got folks on edge against each other instead

[short laurel]

Ok fine. I only knew about 1 pic. Not the other n mixed up the 2, i was wrong here.

[hoary frost]

Oh my word 😭 I’m so done

[stiff prairie]

yeah let's just take a chill pill and brace ourselves for tommorow

[orchid field]

yep yep lets focus on our brave girl

[hoary frost]

Hanni fighting! 👏

[short laurel]

Oo yea it's next day in korea so 1 more day wow.

[stiff prairie]

since monday and all and hybe gon be active again

[hoary frost]

I’m so scared but I know it will go well

[orchid field]

my money is still on monday

[opaque torrent]

romeo and juliet 1968 is a very critically acclaimed and mainstream film that gen x and gen y grew up with so it's not "weird" or questionable for her to be nostalgic about it. you're acting as if that film came out in 2020 and she decided to like it with all the criticisms.

sorry. we can move on now but that context was sorely missing.

[stiff prairie]

please chat has cooled down a bit

[orchid field]

i mean if it has gotten so serious there is hearing for it surely it won't be a nothingburger

[tardy smelt]

y’know, i do feel like there’ll be a lot of noise tomorrow to cloud what Hanni will drop in two days, i might make myself a bingo card

[hoary frost]

So many pictures from the film for her hung up and she chose the one where they were kinda naked😭 I can’t

[opaque torrent]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romeo_and_Juliet_(1968_film) its iocnic and used as one of the covers 🤷🏻‍♀️

[hoary frost]

What were the filmmakers thinking 😭😭 poor kids

Those were wild times not gonna lie

[vapid turret]

and the actors have now sued the studios for those scenes.

[hoary frost]

AS THEY SHOULD 👏👏

[hoary frost]

Which means that they also knew it was wrong

[opaque torrent]

i think everyone in my school district watched RJ 1968 our freshman year because that's when we read RJ in our curriculums. i didn't even know Olivia Hussey was underage in the scenes at the time.

i don't think doing background checks for legalities and consent is the expected behavior of the audience.

[vapid turret]

Thankfully my class only watched the trailer at the time but you know you can't blame MHJ for that poster it was the 60s at the time the movie was made.

It was the studio's fault for not protecting those actors.

[opaque torrent]

yeah and the lawsuit unfortunately came way too late... but it may have taken the stars that long to process what was done to them, which is valid.

[hoary frost]

That’s true

[vapid turret]

I mean 1960s Hollywood was simillar to the k-pop industry back in the day and it still is to a degree.

If not even worse. Now anyone being caught watching Romeo and Juliet in 1968 can be accussed of being a creep.

[opaque torrent]

RJ 1968 is revered in the culture and country of its origin. it's a little farfetch to ask a foreigner to keep up with the discourse past and present imo

[vapid turret]

Exactly, especially when they live in places like Korea.

Cultural differences is a huge thing, they don't normally apply to our western way of thinking.

[short laurel]

Romeo n juliet itself is so iconic. if anyone who loves the story wants to watch a movie on it n come across it they wouldn't know what happened in it.

[vapid turret]

But still let's get back to MHJ. I just feel it's ridiculous to accuse her of a life ruining allegation because of a poster made in another country before she was even born.

[hoary frost]

That’s true. You can’t accuse someone with those strong words. But to be like 🤨 weirded out a little (I get it) especially if you don’t know her lol.

[short laurel]

exactly.

[vapid turret]

I'm not going to defend MHJ like some die hard fan or company or CEO stan, I just want these conspiracy theories to forking stop.

And I know something that looks like a conspiracy theory when I see one.

[hoary frost]

What are some conspiracy theories you have seen ?

[vapid turret]

Well the recent allegations of MHJ being a predator is one of them and Jungkook's instagram being hacked after he supported the girls are a couple I can think of right now.

I have a gut feeling that fans in Korea support MHJ completely the opposite of the west.

[short laurel]

majority in korea do. even other fandoms.

[hoary frost]

Them saying JK being hacked was so funny 😭

[short laurel]

JK was not hacked. his doggo was, by JK.

[south vale]

so imaginary 💀

[hoary frost]

I just want to clarify this that the painting is not related to the movie

its just a painting

she addressed it in interview, forgot which newspaper that was

[short laurel]

I mentioned later that i wasn't aware of there being 2nd pic. N admit i was wrong. But fact remins that both could be mhj's childhood stars.

[hoary frost]

most of the stuff is conspiracy theory created and fueled by stan twt and can be reasonably debunked. mhj herself addressed it

[short laurel]

In fanwars I've always only seen talk about painting so i only knew about that. I realise that my information has holes so i m researching the entire case more thoroughly so i provide proper information when discussing here.

Yea. I've seen everything debunked.

[hoary frost]

yeah, stuff like "mhj gave sulli knee blush"...no she did not. she is not make up artist and does not follow artists to music shows to paint something on them. "she gave red velvet suggestive choreo when yeri was young"...no she did not bc she is not choreographer, never had this much creative control on sm groups. her creative control was very limited in early years and revolved around art direction. people pinning everything on her is because she is easy target

overall when nj debuted there was a hate train against them and bc they were so young, stan twt used mhj as a cover for their hatred

whats what I hate about internet. no one bothers to fact check and think for themselves. they spread lies like that and pass them as facts

[short laurel]

The one where yeri posted baby emoji mhj post, emoji she use everywhere n stans screamed "she's sending secret message or something" that was so dumb.
There isn't even anything to fact check cuz there's literally nothing.

[hoary frost]

yeri recommended nj songs several times

shinee and rv members all have been supportive, not to mention snsd or even exo

[short laurel]

Anyways we are discussing here like someone spreading hate on her 😂 everyone here knows by now that all of it are lies.

[hoary frost]

stan twt loves to insert their narrative into everything. its weird but thats how they function

[short laurel]

Yeri singing bubblegum in their behind videos when rv's bubble was playing 😂

[hoary frost]

like these stuff only exists in their heads not in real life thankfully

its another thing stan twt weaponizes to drag newjeans. you cant even discuss it reasonably because they are not made for such discussions. it is a b c d for them and anything complex makes their brains burn.

[short laurel]

N belift used those stan twt for their video

Can understand why belift acting like this.

[hoary frost]

honestly i feel sick whenever i open twt. its not even your average fanwars, but the stuff they say about nj is absolutely sickening. i cant even repeat what they say bc its not normal and ppl who actively wish on harm to young girls and sl*tshame them and call them vile names should be far away from society

[mild mist]

I think the phrase is "you cannot reason someone out of a position that they did not reason themselves into"

[hoary frost]

well said

[vapid turret]

I know it's disgusting half of the girls debuted when they were MINORS! And Heyin debuted when she was 14. And to this day, she's still a kid, she's 16. Calling young girls sl*ts especially one who is still a minor, shame on those people!

People who sl*tshame a MINOR have no morals.

[hoary frost]

and can you imagine that that's not the worst thing they have said? It's bizarre. I will never understand and I don't wanna understand. I know that no matter the end result, the girls will never be free from these fandoms' hatred.

I pray that everything turns out in a way that NJ wants. That would make me feel so much better tbh

[short laurel]

Worse thing about this drama is not stupid stanwars, but regardless of who wins, one of the 2 groups gonna get public hatred while the other flourish. Since it's between illit's work n nj's work.

Girls are innocent but public is blind

[hoary frost]

public does not hate either of these groups. they know that executives are to be blamed. can't say same about folks on internet tho.

[short laurel]

N this is what worries me the most

[jolly junco]

This might be true, but people will unconsciously have some image about them, because after all the groups are the image of the company…usually

[short laurel]

Me confused where i broke rule 2 n can't send msg.

But vousme said what i wanted too

[vapid turret]

The question is, what's the general opinion in Korea.

[jolly junco]

I’m not blaming them too, since i know its the company fault for doing this. Especially if you are rookies. You have nothing to do with anything that have happened. But i just cant help myself to think that i dont like them, unconsciously

[short laurel]

Nj for now but it's known to change depending on court.

[vapid turret]

How long is this going to take in the end?

Because OMG I'm freaking out.

[jolly junco]

I think general opinion can be easily swayed with evidence, so anything that have concrete evidence will win the general public

[vapid turret]

I'm still freaking out for the girls.

[short laurel]

That's why it's worrying, u are strong enough to not let it out but there are people who will say it out loud to hate. People are tired of drama anyways. So much misinformation about everyone involved in it, even the lawyers n judges are getting hate over misinformation right now, some even shared here.

[jolly junco]

Nah dont worry to much, i trust they will win. Since MHJ even brave enough to sell her house to win this, i’m pretty sure hybe will lose in the end

[vapid turret]

Hyperventalates

[jolly junco]

Everything will be better in 2025, since i trust HYBE will have their downfall on november 🤣

[vapid turret]

I'm also hoping overall K-pop will have a much better year this year so far has been awful for k-pop

[jolly junco]

HYBE is not samsung, they will not get away with all the crimes they did

[vapid turret]

I just hope by the time D-day comes for Hanni tomorrow she will emphazise that she is telling the truth and doesn't believe in putting other idols down.

[short laurel]

Bang father is in politics, he has connected, most like the fake ceo or belift staff will take the fall.

[vapid turret]

I know for a fact in their stream that they never mentioned Illit at all. That was HYBE and Belit and their parents only after it was revealed.

[vapid turret]

Bang Father?

[short laurel]

Bsh's father

[vapid turret]

Who's Bsh?

[vapid turret]

Who is this guy an executive at HYBE/

[short laurel]

Chairman n founder if hybe also founder of bighit the bts label. N also the main culprit behind everything from the past we know of

[heady gate]

Found of Hybe Corp and founder of BTS.

[vapid turret]

Ugh BTS deserves someone better than that I can sense a negative vibe from him.

[heady gate]

https://www.forbes.com/profile/bang-si-hyuk/

[short laurel]

N most hated man in kpop

[heady gate]

Most hated man are rich people

[vapid turret]

Even in Korea?

[short laurel]

Ooh he isn't hated for money itself. But his ethics are so bad, his idols are so overworked, so much plagiarism n ego.

[short laurel]

In kpop as whole.

[vapid turret]

DAMN!

[short laurel]

Ok offtopic ends

[vapid turret]

But still Nami I don't have a stan position on MJH I just feel it's ridiculous that these conspiracies about her exist and that I'll never see a NJ concert or regret my days of being a bunny all because of this.

I'm just so scared for those girls and IDK what will happen to them.

[short laurel]

Conspiracy exists for just about every famous person. Look it up, ull c tons far worse than mhj but much less hate.

[short lynx]

Oh!

[copper current]

Everyone is crossing fingers, time will answer, we will have to wait

[leaden igloo]

https://x.com/vminnsm/status/1845484705132548239

bear (@vminnsm) on X

other fandoms getting comeback schedules and fun things and our schedules look like we should be 46 years old on an annual salary

Twitter · Oct 13, 2024, 3:20 PM

[copper current]

yeah, we are clinging to hopes, I am crossing finger really hard and praying everyday for NewJeans

[tardy smelt]

the comebacks we get to look forward to are court dates

[shut kelp]

dw end of the year we will get good news 🙏

[tawdry vessel]

2025 is our year

https://media.discordapp.net/stickers/1268530306978152560.png?size=160

[jolly junco]

IJBOL 🤣 🤣 this is so true its kinda sad

[red thorn]

The fact that pray for ceo comeback before the group comeback

[half knot]

sadly that seems to be the only way, it has to happen in that order one way or another

[waxen musk]

I've been conditioned to expect some news at this time each week. I'm hoping it's quiet because they're waiting to see what happens tomorrow.

[jolly junco]

i think the only news we will get from HYBE today is whether fraudor CEO will attend NA or not

[cyan rivet]

Also the heaviest

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/kapsoo/status/1845635547756437645

[narrow seal]

241014 kapsoo Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/kapsoo/status/1845635547756437645
#뉴진스 #NewJeans #Hanni #하니
국회 환경노동위원회 국정감사 참고인 하니 출석 D-1!
뉴진스 하니 응원하러 전라북도 전주 고속버스터미널에서 버스 타고 서울 갑니다. 오늘 선배, 후배 등 여의도 국회 앞에서 1박하고 내일 15일 국회 정문 앞에서 하니 응원합니다.
하니 응원하러 준비 갈 완료!

[half knot]

might be the first time in kpop history fans watch a national assembly livestream

[opaque torrent]

Don’t forget about the surprise fanmeeting police investigation results

[wind monolith]

I forgot about that😭

[opaque torrent]

It should be coming up

[jolly junco]

what is this about?

[opaque torrent]

HYBE reported MHJ to the police for breach of trust

[jolly junco]

oh the want they said about arab investor?

[opaque torrent]

probably the kakaotalks they illegally obtained

[wind monolith]

the one where she was in for like 8 hours came out smiling

[jolly junco]

both sides keep saying they will sue each other, but neither side have a result so far

i dont know whay the police are doing

[tawdry vessel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1207412942006652948.webp?size=48

[vapid turret]

I mean overall 2024 was just an awful year for k-pop as a whole.

[stiff prairie]

No fresh media play on Monday either?

[tardy smelt]

sunshine and rainbows so far

[jolly junco]

you dont think they have run out of ideas? right?

this is weird, i get used to monday bad news every week now

[stiff prairie]

Neverr. They wouldn't disappoint me like that

[tardy smelt]

i did see one about hybe refuting that journalist on the radio show today, but it's irrelevant

[jolly junco]

juantokki has also been very silence since yesterday, that means there is no article to translate from korea site

i dont like this silence, especially because tomorrow are very important day for us

[wind monolith]

The calm before the storm

[stiff prairie]

Prolly saving all the golf points for tomorrow or the next day after

[twin cypress]

What was Minji stream about?

[red thorn]

I just hope the real forensic on the evidence from both sides

[half knot]

actually nobody's really filed a civil suit against another yet, it's kind of funny

they've just filed defamation, breach of trust, etc. criminal complaints with the police

[orchid field]

file them back for harassment or for frivolous threats xd

[jolly junco]

~t https://x.com/t_ransborder/status/1845698782748713392

[narrow seal]

241014 t_ransborder Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/t_ransborder/status/1845698782748713392
K팝 산업에서 아동·청소년들이 인권의 사각지대에 방치된 이유에는, K팝의 인기에 도취되어 산업 구조의 체질적 개선을 외면해온 엔터테인먼트 업계, 방송국, 그리고 정부의 책임 방기가 있다. https://m.khan.co.kr/opinion/column/article/202410132037015#c2b

[jolly junco]

this is true, i hope the government will not get blind by the popularity of kpop in the world and need to make sure that the artist have a human rights

[half knot]

the primary reason politicians are caring about this other than because they want votes is that the issues are making international news and it isn't a good look for one of south korea's important soft powers, which is the entertainment sector.

[narrow seal]

241014 kangsterrin Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/kangsterrin/status/1845711680225079717
This is the longer version of Cho seong hun's phone call

[modern fog]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1G6VVrq-IjwNFmN-jknDnLrzt2APxRsg5/view?usp=drivesdk

[half knot]

I felt gross listening and reading that translation subtitles

[cosmic belfry]

So they're kinda admitting the lawsuits aginst MHJ are frivolous. Just to gain favor with their artists and fans.

[half knot]

how sleazy, but that's typical of certain types of PR people

[red thorn]

"create the multi-label because he doesn't want to micromanage"
HA

[flint stone]

New day, new media play
It's Monday, anything new?

[jolly junco]

will there be binky bong at NA tomorrow? that would be epic 😂

[flint stone]

Is there gonna be live?

[jolly junco]

this is sick

[jolly junco]

yes there is live stream for NA tomorrow, its also open for public to join if they are eligible

[red thorn]

A binky bong instead a gavel

[short laurel]

can't believe i seeing a company talking about their artists mental health when they barely give enough rest to them.

[valid sierra]

still no response from hybe? its taking them longer than the usual

[short laurel]

after all these mess from belift, it'll be weird if hybe doesn't realise that their every attempt are stupid. best to remain silence if they got even 1 braincell left. otherwise more ammo for tomorrow.

[orchid field]

usurps every label anyways on a power trip
??

[hoary frost]

lol bsh lapdogs certified asslickers

[half knot]

god knows what will come out the rest of this month

hanni's nda would not apply for the national assembly hearing, the injunction has more material submissions...

and more hybe mediaplay

[narrow seal]

241014 Phamkuromi Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/Phamkuromi/status/1845751574838297033
Confirmed ✅

241014 PoppyKPoppie Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/PoppyKPoppie/status/1845737910588563898
fuck you hybe. this wasn't left blank before. fuck you.

[steel depot]

what's this?

[half knot]

hybe schedule

[tardy smelt]

Q4 NewJeans schedule empty

[timber shell]

so NJ1 postponed to next year?

[steel depot]

no comeback... i feel sad but i feel it's better than promoting with a heavy heart... i hope this mess ends very very soon so they could get back on their regular schedule..

[half knot]

given ador has been gutted of its staff I don't know if getting a comeback is even desired by the girls

staff and funds

[shy schooner]

Sabotage is real

[hoary frost]

well even if MHJ wins i don’t think shell release a rushed project

[ocean arch]

All that matters is that they win

I don't care even if they take a one year break

[shy schooner]

Will be satisfied with the content they put out on yt

[warm hedge]

I dont think MHJ will have put everything on hold, I imagine things are still progressing, maybe a bit slower than usual

[orchid field]

i dunno guys with bsh and belift's fingers all up in their future plans they might have just scrapped everything to come up with something original again

[short laurel]

officially MHJ is out of company. so don't expect anything to be in work for now.

[cerulean lake]

we need more exposés if that’s the case

bc that would be very very unfair to all of the og staff

[orchid field]

this whole thing has been unfair to the girls and all the original ador staff

[cerulean lake]

true they’re such liars when they said production would continue

need that company to go downhill fr

[warm hedge]

I took MHJ playing that demo as her saying, we aren’t stopping

[copper jetty]

Hi guys happy media play Monday!! Did hybe release anything???

[orchid field]

no but they got cooked https://x.com/kangsterrin/status/1845711680225079717

ri (@kangsterrin) on X

This is the longer version of Cho seong hun's phone call

Twitter · Oct 14, 2024, 6:22 AM

[copper jetty]

I actually haven't heard this fully. But why did they got cooked again??

I think hybe not releasing stuff today might be because they learned their lesson...

Or they're saving it for tomorrow

[orchid field]

all the shitty things they do got caught in black and white and translated in 3 languages

[leaden igloo]

They sued mhj to comfort people…not because of a legal basis lmao

[copper jetty]

So basically they're just throwing things at the wall and sees what sticks??

[leaden igloo]

they’re wasting so much money on lawsuits…i guess that’s why Enhypen has to go on another tour again

[copper jetty]

Well Jin is going to have a cb and j hope is getting out in a couple of days so they might be banking on that too. They are their biggest money makers.

[frozen bronze]

context? who is cho seong hun?

[copper jetty]

Hybe pr

[leaden igloo]

I’m confused is this just a super tuna remix or an actual album

[frozen bronze]

ah this is that japan sales thing i see

[copper jetty]

But the way he talks to that reporter is sus... if that's how he talks about NJ then they better get that hybe pr service money back

Ain't worth it.

[copper jetty]

I'm actually not an army so idk. I'm going by my friends updates but apparently the album is gonna be new. I don't think the super tuna would be included

[leaden igloo]

It’s been a while since I’ve read hunger games but doesn’t this feel like the capital vs district 13?

[copper jetty]

Yeah it kinda has that feels.. also I kind of now see why mhj compared it to n. Korea too... 🤣

I just hope hanni does good tomorrow... I'm kind of nervous for her...

[neon igloo]

So does that make Hanni our Mockingjay?

[leaden igloo]

NAURRRR YOURE KINDA COOKING WITH THIS COMMENT

[leaden igloo]

MHJ made the reference too?? Ok slay. Imo Alma coin wasn’t really good (very gray) so it’s definitely a choice to align herself with district 13

Oh wait nevermind I read your original comment wrong… my reading comprehension is in shambles

[astral dust]

*x -c https://x.com/liabizz/status/1845721442320531838?s=46&t=kXGhBk_3DiP7ccDDKf8qcQ

[harsh dove]

@Liabizz <t:1728889258:d>

According to Hybe PR, they only filed the lawsuits because of ILLIT and Lesserafim members “to comfort them”

I mentioned a while ago that a company can only file lawsuits involving the artists with permission

So illit and lsf agreed with Belift and source music

[astral dust]

Canceled!

[orchid field]

ok thats a bit of a stretchy stretch

[rain spade]

whatt does it mean they agreed to file a lawsuit

[orchid field]

liabizz acting way out of pocket here

[ocean arch]

I mean it's not like they can go against their company

[stiff prairie]

yeah hybe made it's sublabels to file lawsuits to overwhelm mhj and then just said it's for the sake of the members cause they know lawsuits were bs anyways. it's just hybe activity.

new ador can file a lawsuit against mhj and doesn't need nj members' permission i'm pretty sure

[orchid field]

the permission part might be cap idk
sounds like deliberate incitement on liabizz's part but i could be wrong and they are factually right

[rain spade]

Is so messed uup if the permission part is true

[valid sierra]

it was belift who sued mhj and not on behalf of the artists. they dont need permission from the artist

[orchid field]

see now THIS makes much more sense

[short laurel]

Misinformation.

[wheat raft]

very dangerous misinformation… it will seem like hybe making the idol groups attack each other. Can you imagine saying leserrafim eg yunjin agreeing to file lawsuits against newjeans eg hanni

pretty sure the artists are not against each other at all. this is some bullshit lols