NJZ Updates and Discussion

[river pendant]

the m in mhj means motion

[astral dust]

She paid Shaman like almost $1mil

[short laurel]

shes been in industry for years n she made alot of money. she was big even be4 joining hybe

[jolly junco]

i'm not supporting about black magic or something like that, but even i used "shaman" for deciding the opening of my shops 🤣

[short laurel]

everyone uses shaman or equivalent for little to big things. its normal. not big deal.

[hoary frost]

Is it just me or does hybe let go of SK's public opinion and lean in on the international side

[gaunt flame]

Interesting

[short laurel]

always been like that

[pliant surge]

how does one become a shaman

[astral dust]

You have to connect with higher being

[short laurel]

u not have to shaman. priest's of any religion or cult do same thing. people hire them for advice

[astral dust]

😂

[sweet sparrow]

[short laurel]

they make ALOT of money

[jolly junco]

~t https://x.com/soulsearchstina/status/1825092666335416489

[narrow seal]

240818 soulsearchstina Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/soulsearchstina/status/1825092666335416489
☽ NewJeans prediction II ☾

༺♡༻
In order to foresee what's to come, one must peek into their Solar Return chart...
I decided to look into the 2H profection year for NewJeans that started on the group's birthday in 22nd July & as I have had people mention a possible album, it

[short laurel]

sei.

[jolly junco]

do you guys remember this?

[astral dust]

I honestly dont care what voodoo she used, as long as NJs got benefits from it without consequences

[short laurel]

it says artistic resurrection in november. mhj will win everything then. we have timeline nice

[jolly junco]

"I mentioned in my first prediction about the Pisces ♓ eclipse in September & how things are changing behind the scenes.
I'm actually even more rooted in this belief now as Vertex is in the Solar 7H that rules over legal agreements. Vertex placement indicates fated events & in the Solar chart, it shows for the year ahead which area of life these events can occur in & how they can influence you."

[tardy smelt]

the amount of tokkium we're on to have our own shaman

[short laurel]

i surprised tim haven't closed the chat yet

[astral dust]

MJH should have gone to Thailand. They’re well known for doing these supernatural stuff

[quick wadi]

I’m waiting for someone

[wheat raft]

[red thorn]

Waiting for someone doom thoughts

[short laurel]

doom thoughts is mhj out n nj is next fromis

[astral dust]

What’s doom thought?

[wheat raft]

thread stays open until someone insults something or someone

[astral dust]

Ah

[snow turtle]

Can i insult someone

[sharp garden]

[wheat raft]

[gaunt flame]

@somber pumice and @rose turret are free to be insulted

[snow turtle]

ibob stop catfishing people

and why are u green

[rose turret]

[short laurel]

with a timeout too

[cerulean sail]

You are the Twitter star Tim, you should know that

[quick wadi]

hey who locked it

Mel did you

I didn’t even do it this time

[dry atlas]

not me

[quick wadi]

hmm…

[dry atlas]

hello good morning

[waxen musk]

What now.

Every time I see this thread active I expect something new.

[dry atlas]

Min Hee-jin "NewJeans Production 2-month ultra-short term, can't sign toxic clause that excludes work at any time"
https://naver.me/xk1Inf6Q

[frozen granite]

Question

[dry atlas]

only 2 months contract that can be terminated anytime is crazy

[frozen granite]

I read somewhere that if MHJ sues HYBE for terminating the shareholders contract & wins HYBE will have to pay her while & there’s a huge probability that she can buy ADOR?
Is this true or just rumors ?

[hoary frost]

2months to prep for world tour is mad

what about album

[modern fog]

bye

[hoary frost]

anyways 2 months contract. not even in house producer position but 2 months commission. insane

[hoary frost]

Its just a potential possibility based on on the circumstances, nothing set in stone

[waxen musk]

So she's not going to sign this and then what, she can't work in that production role? I'm worried about that but I may be misunderstanding. Of course signing it seems a stupid thing to do anyway so I don't want her to.

[hoary frost]

since they sent contract solely for production, i guess thats what it means

[waxen musk]

Also why is this talk only about preparing for a world tour? Are we to then assume preparation for NJ1 is already done? Or am I reading too much into that exclusion of information?

[frozen granite]

I honestly hope HYBE just pays the whole amount for violating the contract & the damages so she can just buy ADOR & take NewJeans with her. Clearly, HYBE does not have NewJeans best interest

[hoary frost]

Technically the album hasnt been officially announced so they wont go as far to speak on it. Where as mhj did talk bout the world tour

was album only mentioned in phoning?

[waxen musk]

They've talked about the album just as much as the world tour. Only in that notice in March. (In fact I'd say the album has been talked about more than the world tour after Hanni mentioned it during Bunnies Camp.)
Where else has the World Tour been officially mentioned?

I see them making her sign this contract so that when she fails the task of preparing for a world tour in 2 months that then Hybe can use this as reason for dismissal. (That's why she's not signing it, obviously!)

[hoary frost]

Yes by members on live , hasnt been confirmed officially by someone of authority where as mhj did publicy talk bout it and she is some one with authority

[tardy smelt]

they mentioned it when they announced the last comeback, and Hanni mentioned it at Bunnies Camp

those are the only instances i remember atm

[hoary frost]

yeah, i think she said they had plans for world tour and maybe album in press con or somewhere else

[wheat raft]

hmmm if whatever written there was true then seems like hybe is intentionally trying to out mhj

which they already are, but like worse now

[hoary frost]

In addition, unlike the reason for the separation of 'management and production' announced externally, it is full of unreasonable provisions such as the fact that it is possible to terminate the contract 'if the management performance is judged to be significantly low' even though it is a producer, and 'force compliance with a wide range of regulations' or 'the period of the labor ban is 6 times that even though the contract period is 2 months'.

yeah lol why does performance depend on producer lolol does other labels performance depend on producers instead of ceos

[waxen musk]

Yeah so Hybe aren't as dumb as they seemed yesterday. This could truly be the reason they could get away with dismissing her "legally". But now that MHJ hasn't signed that contract I don't really know what to expect from Hybe as a response.

[wheat raft]

not really legally right, wasnt the decision made without her illegal

[hoary frost]

This can only be regarded as an act that intentionally 'induces the producer to refuse the contract' and uses it as a pave for another media play.

[wheat raft]

crazy

[hoary frost]

well she is aware

[tardy smelt]

they probably didn't intend her to sign the contract in the first place

[sly python]

[hoary frost]

yeah. they want her to be stripped from all roles immediately

[waxen musk]

Yeah I don't know what's going on. The obviousness of what they're doing is crazy and I don't know how people still support this type of behaviour just because people don't support MHJ.

[wheat raft]

these media plays... theres this whole side of twitter and reddit tokkis that are anti mhj and eat all the news up lol

[sly python]

its hard what to believe & understand the different laws at play

this update channel is helpful with seeing everyones takes & understanding

[hoary frost]

However, former CEO Min Hee-jin decides that it is impossible to sign and at the same time, he is taking a position in case the distorted article will be reported again.

[wheat raft]

dk whats real anymore tbf

[hoary frost]

she announced her position before hybe in case hybe mediaplays first and says she refused contract and that means she is greedy and does not care for nj

[dry atlas]

lol

[cosmic belfry]

It seems like Hybe is getting their way and derailing the World Tour. Album might still happen but NewJeans will go on that break if MHJ is out.

[wheat raft]

just hope the girls arent affected too badly

[waxen musk]

I worry about the girls for sure. They always end up being the ones supporting Bunnies and putting on a brave face. There's more stuff going on too that is off topic that I actually am more scared of them seeing, though.

[twin cypress]

Only two month makes it seem like the album coming out in that time frame

[hoary frost]

the contract is until Nov 1 and Nov is when MHJ can exercise put options.

[waxen musk]

When she was CEO. Not now.

[hoary frost]

coincidence?

[waxen musk]

But yeah all the timing for everything is for clear reasons.

If anything, Hybe has always been most obvious because of their timing.

[sage pilot]

If Hybe keeps messing things up for NewJeans, then it gives a strong case for terminating the contract with Hybe. Eventually hybe will dig a big grave for themselves for sure

[hoary frost]

if shareholder agreement cancellation is judged illegal, this is hybe's another option to dismiss her due to "low performance"

[jolly junco]

~t https://x.com/g_anim8/status/1829179441068888221

[narrow seal]

240829 g_anim8 Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/g_anim8/status/1829179441068888221
Is this real?

Does that mean MHJ announcement wasn’t really the reason stock price went up?

They buried a buyback underneath the news?

[wheat raft]

if only there was an easy way ador could just go under another umbrella

[waxen musk]

Yeah that's true. But since she didn't agree to this two month contract could that also be reason for Hybe to say she isn't being supportive for NewJeans and even use that as a same reason to dismiss her? (In reply to message above Twitter.)

[sage pilot]

yeah and they can dismiss her basically anytime anyway if MHJ signs it

[sage pilot]

yeah

[hoary frost]

yep. they are buying back shares and the purpose is to stop it further plummet and just strengthen its value yet media keeps pushing narrative that its bc mhj

[wheat raft]

yeah its like a PR / Media war at this point

[waxen musk]

I'll say it in another way:

• Don't sign 2 month contract = not supporting NewJeans = dismissal
• Do sign 2 month contract = not enough time to perform adequately for World Tour = dismissal

Am I thinking too much doom wrt this?

[cosmic belfry]

yes, they timed a 26.6B Won stock buy back hours after the announcement. https://x.com/tmikpop/status/1828463247768396075

TMIKpop (@tmikpop) on X

Hybe will buy back 26.6B worth of shares in an on market transaction to stabilize share price and to issue them to approximately 140 employees of Hybe and Hybe subsidiaries in the form of Restricted Stock Units https://t.co/hEHiV2pwBq

Twitter · Aug 27, 2024, 4:03 PM

[sage pilot]

You’re not, this is how hybe does things. MHJ wasn’t joking when she asked “is this North Korea?” at 1st press conf

[waxen musk]

Like I said TIMING
(Also TMIKpop is that bad account don't use them please.)

[cosmic belfry]

Well there's a source linked is why I linked it

[jolly junco]

from what i seen so far:

1. Hybe will not sabotage newjeans in the near future. Why? because newjeans is their money maker right now especially with world tour coming soon
2. whether MHJ will sign that 2mo contract or not, HYBE will overworked newjeans to produce more money

[proud flax]

YAP TIME LETS FUCKING GO

[sly python]

& if shes forced to sign the 2 month contract & makes things work out what happens?

[waxen musk]

Then she's still gone after November because her contract will be up.

[jolly junco]

with hybe fully supporting newjeans to make more money, no one can say that HYBE didnt support/promote newjeans

its just that newjeans wont be newjeans with HYBE in full control

[hoary frost]

her contract is until 2026

[waxen musk]

I mean the 2 month contract.

[jolly junco]

they terminated that, right?

[hoary frost]

ah yeah sorry

[sly python]

so its basically GG's?

[wheat raft]

we need a lawyer in here

[sly python]

lawyer tokki's?

[hoary frost]

[disclaimer: not a doom thought] imo it all depends on how put option case plays out. it is going to court and there is possibility of hybe losing as much as winning. imo there is a chance they need to play it safe so amount they have to pay for mhj does not increase

[waxen musk]

I wish I could skip time to see the results of everything right now instead of this painstaking slow worry.

[sage pilot]

They said it, but just bc hybe says things doesn’t make it true. They can’t terminate the contract without mhj’s agreement or MHJ doing illegal stuff like breach of trust (they’ve tried that angle already and failed)

[wheat raft]

can someone dm and get @law_and_music from tiktok into here? She seems to be a tokki and always covers mhj news

[jolly junco]

either way MHJ is in bad position with this 2mo contract

[waxen musk]

I need to read other people's guesses as to what could happen because I lack imagination.

I just want to know what this 2 month contract thing does to affect the whole situation around her fighting back for illegal dismissal from CEO.

[jolly junco]

it feels like HYBE wanted to use MHJ talent to produce for newjeans upcoming world tour and then discard her when mission accomplished

[dry atlas]

no i think they were just gonna trap her

with a lose/lose contract

[dry atlas]

this

[hoary frost]

how can a company and majority shareholder get away with so much bs towards a minority shareholder?

[proud flax]

money

[waxen musk]

Hopefully they can't.

[cosmic belfry]

The idea of keeping her on was a PR stunt when the contract lets them fire her for non specified performance reasons.

[jolly junco]

they just need MHJ vision for the world tour, and then throw her away after they got what they wanted

2mo is enough for preparing a proposal

[hoary frost]

"let me exploit u one last time"

[jolly junco]

but again no one with a professional level like her will agree to this

[sage pilot]

guess who’s name will pop up if you’ll google ‘hybe’s major shareholders’ lol

[waxen musk]

lol someone on Twitter joke that November 1st is a Friday and is therefore NJ1's release date (tbh it literally could be true)

[hoary frost]

naturally. she can sign today and they can terminate it in two days claiming she did not do her job or submit document on time fkfkkdkd

[wheat raft]

real

[jolly junco]

hahah its like hybe is mocking MHJ with these contract

[waxen musk]

Where's the people with the hope to help reassure us? I'll go now.

[hoary frost]

all is good we are getting 5 solo stages soon

[wheat raft]

ima go dm lawyer tokkis to see if we can get more fruitful discussions

[dry atlas]

ador response https://www.newsen.com/news_view.php?uid=202408300920420410

[jolly junco]

i just want to say that she really is a strong woman, if i'm in her position i would have jump out from the top of HYBE building

[waxen musk]

Hybe's ADOR, remember

[leaden igloo]

I thought mhj contract was until 2026?

[hoary frost]

makes no sense bc in house director and producer contract are separate

[hoary frost]

terminating shareholder agreement changed that i think

[wheat raft]

bruh

[waxen musk]

It says "inside director" contract ends 1 November. Is there like multiple contracts or something?

[hoary frost]

in house director

[jolly junco]

😮‍💨 they treat her like a freelancer atp

[hoary frost]

after being stripped of ceo and Shareholder agreement cancelled, she remains as in house director which expires on nov 1

[waxen musk]

Her fighting words the other day give me hope. I'm glad she's not giving in even a little bit. Karma is stacking up like crazy so I hope for the best.

[hoary frost]

production contract is separate yet they are mediaplaying it as both need to end at the same time

[waxen musk]

I understand now. She only has that contract left after being removed as CEO.

[leaden igloo]

*illegally removed

[jolly junco]

hybe really want to kick her out so bad but need to do it in a good way not to tarnish hybe image more

[sage pilot]

and the shareholder contract is not cancelled

[patent patrol]

sooooo what happens to newjeans again? 😬

[hoary frost]

everything depends on court in the end

[jolly junco]

question is, when will she bring it to the court? her lawyer said they need the right timing. When is the right timing? what are they waiting for?

[waxen musk]

So far we should only expect stuff already in motion to continue as planned for the next couple of months and then after that I have no idea. However these things "set in stone" can easily be changed on a whim.

[hoary frost]

can our dear judges and lawyers speed up the work

[leaden igloo]

if we review the injunction ruling, mhj hasn't done anything to warrant getting removed

[patent patrol]

ohh alr ty.

[hoary frost]

they waiting for divine revelation

[waxen musk]

What's the word, entrapment?

[leaden igloo]

therefore, hybe will have to backtrack on their previous promise to honor the judge's ruling and pay the penalty + damages that mhj will sue for

[leaden igloo]

find the shaman!!

[jolly junco]

i need that shaman back, right now

[hoary frost]

good sis is gone, she ran

[leaden igloo]

imo, the court battle will take forever so we can only hope nj1 and tour can proceed as planned

[sage pilot]

This new lawsuit is a powerful bargaining chip against hybe and has to be used at a perfect time. Just be patient, I’m sure MHJ and her lawyers were already prepared for this

[waxen musk]

ngl even on Twitter people are a bit like wtf is she supposed to do now

[leaden igloo]

if they're waiting for a "perfect time" I think they're anticipating a separate hybe-related scandal in the future

[red thorn]

The grammy award producer in hybe waiting room: "when can I get hired?"

[cosmic belfry]

sometimes it's just gg

[dry atlas]

with what's going on in korea rn...

[leaden igloo]

thats unfortunately what I was thinking

[wheat raft]

its all so tiresome

[sage pilot]

It’s quite possible. Remember, the police hasn’t finished their investigation (MHJ wasn’t yapping their ears off for 8 hours straight for nothing) plus ftc investigation is still ongoing too

[jolly junco]

i really hope there is a super rich chaebol or conglomerate out there who would buy out ador and re-employed MHJ as CEO

i'm getting delusional

[waxen musk]

Don't forget all the lawsuits against her too from (I forget) BELIFT and others?
There's a lot going on all at once.

[jolly junco]

LMAO yeah, the judges are crying looking at all the lawsuits

[leaden igloo]

exactly! I think a mhj win + hybe loss will make a "perfect time" to attack hybe/defend herself and newjeans

[sage pilot]

Yeah, that and mhj’s own lawsuit against hybe about them leaking her chats illegally. There’s sooo much happening at once

[red thorn]

Recently few days ago ex employee b filed the lawsuit to police

[waxen musk]

Anything else?

[arctic sky]

Source music

[jolly junco]

she's collecting lawsuit left and right 😭

[leaden igloo]

whatever is going on with shakatak

[hoary frost]

for me only contract related ones matter

[red thorn]

The rest are just hybe's subs

[bronze jetty]

omg the way i forgot about it that

[tardy smelt]

wtf is up with this one, some rando sticking their finger in the pie

[hoary frost]

[tardy smelt]

this has spiraled so deep in 4 months

[sage pilot]

we can say it’s already over, no way shakatak is gonna win their case lol

[leaden igloo]

last I heard, the band got a independent musicologist (?) and then the case fizzled out (probably because they found nothing lmao)

[jolly junco]

there is no apology from shakatak? wtf

[hoary frost]

musicologist just started learning about music

[waxen musk]

Even before the last few days of her being removed as CEO, if NJ1 does release 1 November or somewhere around there that's already a miracle that she could even do her work to make that happen.

[sage pilot]

and there was internal tension behind the scenes from at least 2021, just insane

[arctic sky]

Call me pessimist all you want but NJ1 im afraid wont happen before this mess clears up

[waxen musk]

Anything can happen yeah I'm not assuming anything I'm just talking as if that was their plan.

[hoary frost]

imo NJ1 is at best in the last stage of recording . mv shooting and concept happens 1-2 months before comeback so it should be happening soon if Nov is true

[waxen musk]

I tend to say it's a lot more complete earlier on because of the scale of the album and other small assumptions I have. But we know nothing.

[distant gulch]

mhj needs to walk into the hybe building produce nj1, finish world tour prep and pretend none of this happened. Ador employees will follow...like a mutiny.\

[sage pilot]

Well the work and preparations are still ongoing for NJ1. Now the question is if we’ll get it on time or not

[cosmic belfry]

I'm going to miss non randomized photocards

I doubt this management carries over the same ideas.

[leaden igloo]

the pcs will be the least of troubles if my twitter tl is true. it seems like the other labels have very overworked idols

[hoary frost]

New ceo is a gaming industry personal, to make money most likely it will be those roulette type of albums

Iirc ador pays well so maybe those staff might be relieve to cut cost and find cheaper alternatives

(All is just speculation)

[cosmic belfry]

This is all to say Ador was fan friendly (given the younger demographic) and had a lot of people's best interests in mind including the members.

[quick wadi]

@graceful peak

[jolly junco]

in gaming industry, GACHA is the most profitable way to gain money

[jolly junco]

OMG she is here

[sage pilot]

It’s worth to note that nj’s sales are incredible even without tricks like random pcs. Sigh, hybe should’ve followed mhj’s model for kpop but here we are

[lucid yarrow]

didn't hybe just get fine for some album waste thingy

[dry atlas]

yeah lol if hybe fails to notice that and goes gacha..

dumbass

are you yuijeans from twitter

[sage pilot]

Nope, she’s a different Yui lol but I’m Yui on twitter too lol

[jolly junco]

so now we can only wait until november 1? because she wont do anything until "the time is right"

[dry atlas]

the contract isnt even in effect yet because she doesnt want to sign it

[leaden igloo]

I'm almost positive the lawyers smell blood and will make their move soon.

oh also if hybe is so in debt, what's stopping them from selling the less profitable labels (like hybe america or the crypto stuff)

[jolly junco]

you dont just sell your subs company even if you are in debt, business men taking out more loans to cover up their debt

[leaden igloo]

so why don't they just do that instead of pre-emptively attacking ador

[jolly junco]

because they cant taking out loan from bank anymore, i think they have reached their credit limit

[hoary frost]

they can put belift and ador as collateral now for new debt

endless circle of debt

[jolly junco]

yeah since they got full control of ador now, they can do that

[leaden igloo]

so then sell hybe america, like I said earlier

[jolly junco]

if they can take out new loan with ador as collateral why would they sell hybe america? LOL

[sage pilot]

The guy who’s responsible for hybe America is now the new ceo of hybe 😁 that’s why

[leaden igloo]

OR they can just let newjeans be newjeans, which will ultimately make them tons of money in the long run. but noooo of course they need money right now and dont care about long term

[jolly junco]

they have 180B KRW due date in september, they cant wait

[leaden igloo]

gosh darn, time to send txt on another 52 leg tour

[jolly junco]

i heard fandom from neighbor group even beg HYBE to let their idol rest 🤣

sorry 200B Krw not 180B

[jade jolt]

So min hee jin isn t going to be nj director anymore after 2 months?

[sage pilot]

i have the urge to be snarky and say that newjeans doesn’t need 43225 concerts to be responsible for 14% of hybe’s operating profit like some stock ppl predict 🐰

[timber shell]

yet she didn't agreed to contract and we don't know

[jade jolt]

Thank god she didn t agree

[red thorn]

#1231839760759263232 message

[narrow seal]

Message linked

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from mellllllllllll

ador response https://www.newsen.com/news_view.php?uid=202408300920420410
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[hoary frost]

mhj only option for winning is to leave and make hybe pay her dues im sorry but as much as i like her staying with NJ hybe will not stop attacking them only thing they can do is fight for litigation or wait until their contract is finished

[hoary frost]

if her plan consists of destroying hybe the groups under it will inevitably be affected especially NJs who is till in contract under hybe don’t get me wrong NJs and MHJ has the potential to save kpop from hybe but at what cost??

[cobalt zodiac]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[jolly junco]

i hate to admit this but there is truth in this 🥲

[wheat raft]

if mhj leaves then nj future could go either way too ngl

[sage pilot]

If MHJ leaves, I hope NJ can leave with her. There’s no future in hybe

[jolly junco]

if she did leaves, NJ wont be NJ anymore

[wheat raft]

yeah thats my point

[lucid yarrow]

they always pick these timing to pressure her i wonder if NJ1 is finish yet

[hoary frost]

tbh i won’t hate her if she decided to leave NJs in hybe for now what matters is what she does next i mean she can’t save them if they’re both drowning

[astral dust]

NJ is NJ, MHJ is MHJ, let’s not decide that the whole NJ identify is the manifestation of MHJ. She plays a big role in it but she’s not everything

Not sure if KR law is the same as US, but in US, even if a contract is signed, if the court decide the contract is unfair then they can nullify the contract

But now that MHJ already said this contract is unfair, if she signed it, the court wouldn’t rule in her favor because they’re like “you know what you’re walking into”

[red thorn]

It kinda is mhj manifestation tho, nj is like an art project from one man's vision rather than corporate/company

[astral dust]

MHJ best bet right now is to drag this game out so she can have time to make NJ1 and world tour happen, then she can exercise her put option. I think she knows that’s what she needs to if she wants to maximize the value of her stocks

[jolly junco]

but she cant exercise her put option anymore

[astral dust]

But NJ would not be NJ if they didn’t have the members, the performance directors, the stylist, 250, and 84728 staff members.

[astral dust]

Who confirmed that?

[jolly junco]

its not confirmed 100% thru court but thats what been talking about in media. They terminated her shareholder agreement, i dont know if its legally accepted

if hybe was so confident in announcing that, meaning they have way to prevent her from exercising her put option

[sage pilot]

They don’t, they’re just arrogant and desperate

[red thorn]

And who curated or gather those people? As example there won't be banateam in formation if not for mhj
So there is solid truth in NJ won't be NJ anymore

[astral dust]

Wasn’t MHJ is trying Hybe about that one sided termination?

[jolly junco]

this is what makes me confused, how can a company terminated a contract one sided like that

[astral dust]

So just because MHJ recruited those people, we can forget abt their actual work in the project? MHJ is a team leader with a vision. The staff made it come true.

[astral dust]

They can terminate one side but at the same time, the other party con sue them for wrongly termination. I’ve seen it

[jolly junco]

well then its true, she cant exercise her put option anymore since hybe has terminated the contract

[astral dust]

Which means sure, MHJ might not be able to exercise her put options anymore but she can ask for a giant number that covers her put options, lawyer fees, emotional trauma, and future loss as compensation for wrongful termination

[jolly junco]

sigh thats a long battle in court, wont happen anytime soon i think

[astral dust]

I think the judge can either dismiss Hybe’s termination or rule that termination is wrongfully executed. MHJ will get money regardless, but it will takes years for her to get the money

[red thorn]

Doesn't mean discredit the staff, no one said that. The point how important is the director or leader vision, it could paint the whole identity

[astral dust]

Put yourself in Hybe’s shoe. Imagine Yo you’re a company owner and there’s this one horrible employee that you want to fire desperately. What do you do?

[jolly junco]

if hybe knows that the court can do this, why would they forced her out like that?

[astral dust]

True but identity can be changed. Im sure the girls has somewhat embraced/learned that identity, they can tweak it into their own styles with the help of old MHJ staff

[astral dust]

They have debts to pay soon and the court process takes long time. They’re playing the long game.

[twin cypress]

Im sorry but this ain’t true. All the creative direction: visuals, choreography, outfits, beats and songwriters were chosen by mhj so it’s true when people say without mhj NJs won’t be NJs. The music direction and creative direction would be whatever hybe wants to do instead

[astral dust]

Well, this is you assuming Hybe will even do something with NJs. They planned to jail them remember?

[lucid yarrow]

im just afraid the staff will leave/get fire with her

[hoary frost]

plus without MHJ the members wouldn’t have the creative freedom to execute their own vision they gonna be a trend chasing group like every other hybe gg

[astral dust]

Well, for me I like NJ because of the members, good music is good music, it doesn’t have to be directed by MHJ

[lucid yarrow]

since they have full control now they can blackmail them with there jobs if they don't do what they want them to say

[astral dust]

And concepts should be changed each promotion, otherwise people will get bored of it

I think as a NJ fan, people should ask themselves if they would stop liking NJs if MHJ isn’t their producer.

[sage pilot]

Hybe’s lawyers keep claiming that commercial law allows BODs to fire a CEO, but commercial law doesn’t apply to this case specifically (screen from njbubblegum on twitter). Right now hybe is trying to repeat the trick they were trying to do in April/May. The court dismissed their nonsense about commercial law and MHJ won her injuction. It’s the same with the shareholder agreement. Also, amongst the clauses about the shareholder agreement, hybe has obligations to guarantee MHJ’s term as CEO. They can’t ran away from it like that. Thus, shareholder agreement still stands, MHJ’s put option still viable. You guys should read daepunminarchive on twitter if you want to understand better, although it’s in Korean

[jolly junco]

i felt like i'm getting 10years older in the past 4 months

[astral dust]

It’s kpop, it’s not that deep.

[lucid yarrow]

these law crap is

is anything legal?is it a loophole who knows...no1 seen full contract

[astral dust]

Well, think positively, use these law knowledge for later use in life when you start doing business

Such as being landlord

[astral dust]

Any laws in the world have loopholes really, that’s why we have lawyers

[twin cypress]

See I like the members too but I don’t really want to see them copy other popular songs and genres to make a quick buck. I like their current artistic integrity

[jolly junco]

~t https://x.com/Daepunimarchive/status/1829353146742882347

[narrow seal]

240830 Daepunimarchive Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/Daepunimarchive/status/1829353146742882347
<헛소리가 너무 많아서 잠깐 정리하고 넘어갑니다>

1. 주주간 계약 해지됨?
   🐇안됐습니다. 하이브가 한 것은 해지 통보구요. 재판에서 그 해지의 정당함을 따질 것입니다. 민희진이 가처분을 청구한다면 소송이 앞당겨질테구요.

주주계약 조항은 여기에 정리해뒀습니다.
https://x.com/Daepunimarchive/status/1828994069676339539?s=19

[jolly junco]

here they said its not terminated, its only a notification of termination

i'm so confused so was it terminated or was it not?

[tall dew]

Error: Couldn't find a tag named https://x.com/kchartsmaster/status/1829305996142952821

[neon kelp]

~t https://x.com/kchartsmaster/status/1829305996142952821

[narrow seal]

240829 kchartsmaster Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/kchartsmaster/status/1829305996142952821
Min Heejin reveals that the new board of directors at ADOR have sent her a 2 month production contract , from August 27 to November 1, which she refused to sign.

— “NewJeans successfully completed a fan meeting at the Tokyo Dome in Japan last June, and is planning a world tour

[silent spade]

Time for NJ to unilaterally terminate their contract. If prosecuted they can just refer to Hybe‘s example

[shut kelp]

how long is newjeans contract?

[silent spade]

Typically it’s 7 years

[heady gate]

wow, this sub is enabled

[celest zinc]

What happened to Min Hee Jin of Ador

[sharp garden]

maybe check pin

[celest zinc]

WHATTT

Its been like a day here I'm missing out on so much

"Epilogue: Nojeans 😔"

[heady gate]

My main concern is that it would take time to open a count case. Meanwhile, Ador is under new CEO with her new objectives. All employees would get mixed reactions to it.

[wheat raft]

they better not make nj become like fifty fifty

[heady gate]

Fifty Fifty is about artists vs their label company.

Currently, it is Ador vs MHJ

[hoary frost]

i don’t think they can NJs is one of the biggest artists is sk rn its either the enha treatment overworking till exhausted or lock in the basement like fromis

[wheat raft]

yeah i meant in a way where if members get into legal situations then impedes them doing their actual work

[wheat raft]

what we can even do as fans, can only support the members

[hoary frost]

i think itll be more like enha i bet that new ceo saw all the brands asking newjeans for promo and milk them to death

[wheat raft]

powerful rich people

[heady gate]

It is about money.
Mirae Asset Securities will exercise a put option (worth 150 billion KRW) starting in September.
Hybe needs to borrow money to operate, therefore a world tour is the best solution.

[hoary frost]

we just had to make sure that Newjeans never die

[twin cypress]

Hybe vs mhj* and if we are being real it’s about a broke company trying to rob a great business woman from what she is owed for leading their only profitable sub label

[marble cape]

it went from mhj vs hybe now mhj vs ador/hybe 😭

[hoary frost]

fr it’s very clear im pretty sure if that company is not heavily attached to that one group a lot of people be siding with MHJ her side is more consistent and got proofs dating since NJs predebut

[shut kelp]

can she even win this?

[twin cypress]

It’s up to that court to say if hybe broke the injunction verdict and I think that court believes mhj side more than hybes tbh

[wheat raft]

she won the previous court case right

[jolly junco]

Its not about believes, in court only evidences matter

[heady gate]

I am just wondering how long it would take to open a court case. Last time, it took a month.

[twin cypress]

Just off the simple fact mhj wasn’t even supposed to win that injunction cause winning those in Korea was extremely rare yet court sided with her

[twin cypress]

I mean if the judge believed hybe she would’ve lost the injunction. Courts are all about providing evidence that helps ur claim and then have a judge or jury examine it and determine which side is more believable/telling the truth

[jolly junco]

The girls havent even came out and assure us that everything will be fine like usual, so its really bad this time

I really want to skip time to 2029 and see the end result

[hoary frost]

Since they set the due date for the contract on the 30th they will prolly have another injunction case for her to keep her position and her overall contract ends in nov so they’ll prolly settle it before then but all those lawsuits directed to and by her to hybe would prolly take years

[twin cypress]

They also have a packed week coming up so they might just be focused on that

[astral dust]

The girls are busy to prepare for their many performances in the next 2 weeks.

Didn’t Hanni come and say they’re fine, told us to just take care of each other?

[wheat raft]

maybe they are just busy too, they have quite a few events coming up

[jolly junco]

There are no words from them since the news about MHJ dismissal

[astral dust]

Hanni did come and say something

Im pretty sure, it’s right after MHJ news

@dry atlas please tell me Hanni did come after MHJ news, like I’m not hallucinating right??!!?

[wheat raft]

idk hannis last phoning text was 25th aug

the news was probably 27 aug ish

no lives were done around that date too, latest one is haerin's

[hushed whale]

you prob saw old clips

[tardy smelt]

you're remembering Hanni's live a couple of days before How Sweet dropped

[astral dust]

That’s old news?!?!?!?! My life has been a lie 😭

[tardy smelt]

yeah, it's been radio silence since the 27th

[astral dust]

When did MHJ dismissal come out? 28?

[wheat raft]

sonce 25th radio silence i think

[wheat raft]

thread opened on 27th but not sure how early news broke

[snow turtle]

Seeing ador as the bad guy in headlines from now on hurts, we're cooked

[wheat raft]

but we live in different timezones so idk

[wheat raft]

I love newjeans from seoul

[tardy smelt]

speaking of, we're gonna need Hanni to cook up another mini concert, bunnies doomposting every hour

[snow turtle]

Ador was a statement to the kpop world, now its just some shitty company owned by hybe

[wheat raft]

hanni probably reading this rn

[tardy smelt]

👁️ 👁️

[cosmic belfry]

hi hanni

[astral dust]

Hello Hanni, please find strength

Also please send my best wishes to other members and your loved ones too

Very Respectfully,

Zor

[wheat raft]

if you think about it
✅hanni knows tiktok trends
✅hanni knows tikkitokki
✅hanni speaks and reads english natively

id say the chances she smurfed in here before is defent

[astral dust]

I dont think she has times for us right now

[turbid solar]

https://tenor.com/view/newjeans-new-jeans-bubblegum-bubble-gum-hanni-gif-5746364341313937242

[astral dust]

They probably ask her to stay off internet for her mental health

[celest zinc]

Thats a no no

[wheat raft]

the fact that she knows about the "just give me my money" trend shows shes perpetually online

[celest zinc]

Okay my master plan is infiltrate the member's dormitories and give them super powers and then just disappear

[astral dust]

No

[tardy smelt]

god i hope so, it's the worst time for an idol to be online rn

[astral dust]

Not the disappearance. We need to see them

The members mentioned multiple times that Hanni is a delicate child, she cares too much and think too much. She should get off of internet for now. @ Hanni you hear me?

[celest zinc]

Hanni got that dawg in her

[astral dust]

Delicate woman*. She’s an adult now, should start to treat her as one

[dry atlas]

[Official] Min Hee-jin "The term of office for internal directors must be guaranteed for 5 years... Unfair contract, Hive's trap" (full text)
https://sports.chosun.com/entertainment/2024-08-30/202408300100226750031038

[dry atlas]

multiple back and forths

we are so back

[wheat raft]

someone translate that article

[dry atlas]

lol no presscons, no lectures allowed

[lucid yarrow]

she smart to not be at that meeting or she prob was going to be force to sign that shit

[flint stone]

https://x.com/juantokki/status/1829395834905223185?t=HcWlamwFi1KYv-0vYOlGyw&s=19

[jolly junco]

what are hybe so afraid of to state "no lectures allowed"

[dry atlas]

she has a hyundai card lecture i think next week

[hoary frost]

i remember she's scheduled for her little ted talk too

[jolly junco]

they basically wanted MHJ gone from the industry forever

[red thorn]

Hyundai or Samsung

[wheat raft]

hopefully more media reports on this malicious contract

[dry atlas]

https://x.com/NJBUBBLEGUM/status/1829395326744277129?t=3OZZaUVZ-YKyIFdnLK3AnA&s=19

. (@NJBUBBLEGUM) on X

(240828)
Rebuttal Statement of former CEO Min Hee-jin representatives to ADOR (HYBE)'s Claims 
https://t.co/UWKeykvdzq

#HYBE_STOP_SABOTAGING_NEWJEANS

Twitter · Aug 30, 2024, 5:46 AM

oh yea hyundai

[jolly junco]

this feud will not end until 1 of them are blacklisted from the entertainment industry

[dry atlas]

i dont see that ever happening to hybe so

[jolly junco]

yeah i dont think hybe will stop even if MHJ leaves

we can clearly see from the contract, they want to humiliate her

[red thorn]

Mhj already cyber wrecked, there won't likely petition in favor for her just like the early feud

[jolly junco]

MHJ is a strong willed woman, even if she can endure all of this and keep fighting, i dont know if other people who supported her when all of this started can keep going like this for years

[wheat raft]

i hope whatever the outcome whoever manages can keep nj the same...

[jolly junco]

i know that other staff are under pressured from HYBE too, not just MHJ

[snow turtle]

Life is pain

[hoary frost]

ngl MHJ has been a driving force in kpop since second gen f(x) pink tape is still the most critical acclaimed album in kpop they cant just erase her history they might destroy her reputation but they cant deny her legacy its like dave chappelle they labeled him a crackhead and crazy for turning down a contract but as time past the truth will come out

[snow turtle]

What use is a legacy if the industry doesnt want to associate with it

[jolly junco]

is she still going to those lectures? with hyundai

[jade jolt]

Another live in practice room with Hanni fooling around will literally heal bunnies

[hoary frost]

lol having a legacy is better than being a slave to the industry

[red thorn]

As of now, not sure
But there was opposition from public, peer pressured Hyundai Card to cancel her lecture, they did not plan to cancel

[jolly junco]

really??? the GP wants her lecture to be canceled? is there news about this?

[red thorn]

It overlapped with the harassment issue, where the public opinion really split

[ripe mango]

can I have a TLDR

[elfin pewter]

Bunnies…☹️☹️☹️

[dry atlas]

that employee issue really eroded her public support

if there's one thing korea hates more than corporation vs employee it's boss vs employee

[hoary frost]

this. and that employee is still posting stories now which diverts attention from this

[short laurel]

at this point that employee B is annoying. like her story had so many holes. she jsut seems like she enjoys attention

[hoary frost]

it is conveniently mudding the waters. there is nothing but court left tbh

[short laurel]

it's sad that it's woman harming woman.

[jolly junco]

sadhu sadhu sadhu 🙏

[hoary frost]

i don’t think public opinion split but just fizzled out those ppl harrasing them to cancel are international hybe stans plus ppl who organize these kind of events are not dumb enough to let ppl go without doing proper screening they prolly saw that allegations are blown out of proportion especially when it was officially a sexual discrimination case instead of harrasment

based on reactions on forums, it is split. thats our best indication of public opinion

[short laurel]

which forums ?

have to be sure of which forum we talking about. cuz some are just fileld with that dc gallary members

[hoary frost]

theqoo which is women dominated and relatively "normal"

[short laurel]

theqoo last i checked was still more on MHJ side. B did cause problem but people started to notice holes in B's story

it got somewhat buried with people getting tired of it and suga's case

[red thorn]

The qoo which used to be mhj strongest soldiers bunch, now not really

[hoary frost]

its still split esp when employee pops up with new antics

[jolly junco]

i dont even follow this case of her because its all BS for me

[short laurel]

yea i didn't checked it in a while now.

so many claims. like jsut go to court already if u feel wronged.

[jolly junco]

oh please its clearly staged with HYBE support

[short laurel]

yea ik

[jolly junco]

even the HR has dismissed her case before, but they came up again? like pls bfr

why not that employee B sue HYBE if she really felt like that? hybe was the one who dismissed her case

[short laurel]

she neither attacked hybe nor the VP. but MHJ. she only posted she's "considering" doing something against hybe and vp when everyone pointed out.

then she go back to attacking MHJ

[jolly junco]

people need to keep pointing that out

[short laurel]

people are tired.

she also deleting many comments that goes agaisnt her point

[hoary frost]

i think it split when the first story came bcuz it was so vague but yea ppl be calling out her BS since she started speaking more

[short laurel]

most people supporting B mostly comes from people who already hated MHJ and are just more vocal now.

and that DC gallary

[jolly junco]

is that B still yapping now?

[short laurel]

maybe. that's all she seems know how to do.

[hoary frost]

yea but i think hybe stop pushing that agenda since its full of holes she clearly just grasping for straws rn

[short laurel]

maybe hybe's goal with her was just eroding mhj's support. so they got what they wanted

[hoary frost]

tbh im more worried about the international support for NJs hybe connections with scooter is not something to ignore abt ppl might hate him but those zion1st have a strong control over US media those twt acct like mexjeans and sniper are prolly pushed by them they ddid it with kanye vs taylor and most recently with kendrick vs drake when a lot of new twt accnts with vague names spreading misinfo are blowing up

[jolly junco]

you want to say that newjeans road to western market is blocked by scooter?

[short laurel]

one day it will blow up on their face. i'll say it right now. they can't keep gettign away with their BS forever. globally people are already getting tired of american's bs

[half knot]

They barely have been getting away with their BS for just about 3-4 years, it's nothing in the overall timeline of music industries

it's already blowing up in their face

[short laurel]

not enough. it needs to blow more. and it'll happen.

[jolly junco]

but i dont think its affecting kpop fans, just look at their album sales (seventeen, bts, txt, etc etc)

[half knot]

I don't think anything would affect large boy group sales and concerts

[jolly junco]

they talk blablabla zionist this zionist that, but they will still buy everything their idol sell

[half knot]

even huge scandals won't affect that, those people live in isolated bubbles

[hoary frost]

not necessarily blocked id say heavily hindered US media from hollywood to music industry is really known for having gatekeepers

[half knot]

what will happen is that those boy groups will diminish over time like all boy groups ever have

and those fans will grow up and move on with their lives, or remain miserable forever

[short laurel]

as we've seen with certain fandom. it's 2nd one

[half knot]

there are no exceptions, there will always be a decline and diminishment

[jolly junco]

yes, no one can be on top forever

[half knot]

just an inevitability depending on passage of time

and people at HYBE, not talking Bang PD specifically, but the others running that company, are basically grifter MBA types of executives, they jump from company to company when opportunity arises, milk what they can, then exit with their golden parachutes and do it all over again elsewhere.

they have zero interest in kpop or its growth, they just want short term profits and bonuses and will move on when things get tough, as the former CEO of HYBE is a prime example of

[short laurel]

former ceo is still under hybe though. just different position

[half knot]

Many of them are failures of the gaming industry that failed upwards to kpop industry and tried to change HYBE to be a digital IT focused company lol

[jolly junco]

hybe really ruined kpop world

[short laurel]

hybe music is also less kpop and more western music in korean language

[half knot]

for now, until his contract expires, he's not a creator or entertainment expert, I'm sure he still has uses on the business side when it comes to grifting new investors to refinance HYBE's debts

[hoary frost]

hybe is founded by the fatty bang

lol ppl on the top usually pays a price especially linking up with 🛴 look at justin bieber or kanye they might be at the top of the charts but yall can see when their mental state started spiraling down

he looks like a ugly mastermind

[short laurel]

no name calling pls

[dry atlas]

i am rereading

[wheat raft]

damn

[dry atlas]

dont bring in zionist boycott stuff here

it's irrelevant to the issue

you cant even say boycott automod wont allow you

😏

[wheat raft]

thread gna be closed

[half knot]

what about saying ladcott

[wheat raft]

took us long enough this time

[dry atlas]

thread closed by

ok lets make this a thing

[quick wadi]

wall of shame

[dry atlas]

https://x.com/NJBUBBLEGUM/status/1829472423164756287?t=HLox1T1blznKYGvvlfXVJg&s=19

. (@NJBUBBLEGUM) on X

#HYBE_STOP_SABOTAGING_NEWJEANS #NEWJEANS_NEVER_DIE

Twitter · Aug 30, 2024, 10:53 AM

damn this looks cool

[rapid niche]

same status.

[quick wadi]

wrong heart sei.

[rapid niche]

but i dont know the meaning of it.

[rapid niche]

oooh.

[dry atlas]

https://x.com/juantokki/status/1829583816404676686?t=iho4lNwyaFYV344of2W7GA&s=19

1tokki (@juantokki) on X

[Issue Check] The Contract Sent to Min Hee-jin... A "Leave" Notice in Disguise [1/3]
https://t.co/vRjaaTFIb6
Reporter: Na Eun-su

It appears that HYBE and former ADOR CEO Min Hee-jin are headed for another legal battle. HYBE made the first move from outside the ring by notifying

Twitter · Aug 30, 2024, 6:15 PM

3 parts. big yap

[dry atlas]

https://x.com/mymomoty/status/1830292847918195108?t=lBO2temGmR03CwdR86EuHw&s=19

bbor🐰 (@mymomoty) on X

Twitter · Sep 1, 2024, 5:13 PM

[dry atlas]

New CEO's email to ADOR staff last 8/27
https://www.slist.kr/news/articleView.html?idxno=576489#_PA

[rapid niche]

[dry atlas]

https://x.com/juantokki/status/1830523535292571745

1tokki (@juantokki) on X

[Exclusive] NewJeans Fandom Files Charges Against HYBE and Dispatch Reporters
https://t.co/JRqkSd81Zj
By Lee Sun-myung

NewJeans' fandom, Bunnies, has taken legal action against HYBE, Source Music, and two entertainment media reporters.

On the 2nd, 오페스 Law Firm, representing

Twitter · Sep 2, 2024, 8:29 AM

kr tokkis rich

[dry atlas]

is it over

has mhj given up

-newjeanslife

[tall dew]

[dry atlas]

https://x.com/AlanaJasmeen/status/1832526859357098105?t=wplKvkiFglu9oRzuvv1m5g&s=19

Jasmeen Alana (@AlanaJasmeen) on X

This creepy mfc rebranded after his grown dumbass embarrassed himself 😭 @jjinjins

Twitter · Sep 7, 2024, 9:10 PM

at least sniper is consistent hater

[waxen musk]

hi

[restive cobalt]

can someone summarize what is going on with newjeans rn

[primal helm]

same im so confused

[inner fjord]

yh im confused too

[magic quest]

wait is mhj the bad guy or not

[fathom canopy]

#newjeans-chat message

[gleaming scarab]

[red thorn]

Jumpscared

[winter pike]

ouuu this thread boutta b wild

[acoustic valve]

no. hope that clears it up for you

[magic quest]

yup ty

[ionic rain]

why hybe is here

[lilac furnace]

in this situation

not at all

[magic quest]

cuz it look like baymax

[scarlet roost]

I — I

[proud flax]

YAPPING TIME

[ionic rain]

you're too shy after so much yapping in the last few hours

[novel fiber]

thread opened? Was there an update since live?

[hoary frost]

What happened why this ch open ?

[short owl]

idk

[quick wadi]

#announcements

[oak fern]

its opened cuz people wouldnt stop discussing about mhj vs hybe in nwjns chat

[short owl]

Ohh

[ocean arch]

Oh hello

[hoary frost]

Thx tim

[oak fern]

i honestly just pray this problem gets resolved asap ong i cant imagine what the girls would be going through

[novel fiber]

lets trust the members, and the ppl around them, i know they have thought deeply about their decisions

[oak fern]

mhm, no way they streamed and everything without having any kind of plan or contingency, i have full faith in them

[heady gate]

Finally, the drama channel is opened. It is about time

[ionic rain]

since we are able to talk here, someone has any kind of trusted info that says about mhj wrongdoings?

[burnt eagle]

What did she do 😭😭😭

Leave her alone and let her cook omg

[ionic rain]

for the past 5 months we're hearing she's a monster and the only thing we got are manipulated private messages

[south python]

Does anyone have the full translation for the video/statement from the girls? I’ve been at work all day and missed so much I only saw a clip of hanni I feel so bad for her

[ionic rain]

tikkitokki channel in youtube

[hoary frost]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56acwXitzh4

[bronze jetty]

she's had some allegations back when she was working at sm

[south python]

Thank you both 🫶🏻

[heady gate]

It is a great video

[flint orbit]

It’s pretty sad the members got dragged into it :( (well I believe they did but I’m not sure)

[jaunty prairie]

Man I just hope this can end well, I feel really bad for the girls

[mortal dawn]

fr

[glass breach]

Frrr the members got no reason to lie so I believe them 100%

[ionic rain]

I would like those too, bc most of it is just non sense to put on her shoulders

[flint orbit]

I feel like the worse case scenario would be them disbanding but that can’t happen right??

[ionic rain]

I really want to see where they're seeing this bad monsters I'm failing to notice

[light island]

where can i read the entire story of what's going on, like including the stuff happening earlier on

[dawn pawn]

there is a megathread on reddit about it

[waxen musk]

The megathread on reddit is probably the worst place to go

[acoustic valve]

tldr #1231839760759263232 message

[glass breach]

Yes I hope not

[dry atlas]

there's a summary here

[marble cape]

were they allegations from fans? or from ppl that actually worked with her?

[lyric geyser]

Hope you get it now.

[dry atlas]

I'll update that later

[acoustic valve]

yeah no, the megathreads on reddit are the absolute worse place to "learn about this"

[light island]

yea so i'm still lost so im gonna go search the internet

[bronze jetty]

apparently one of the members from shinee had said something while she worked with them

[ionic rain]

the only one I know is with a choreo for a bg where an underage boy needed to pull up his t-shirt

[glass breach]

Same😭

[acoustic valve]

I've actually spent far more time researching this stuff than I should admit; the only times any member of Shinee have ever mentioned MHJ is in praise

[jolly junco]

Same thing happened to bts but no one was complaining, double standart

[bronze jetty]

no problem! glad it's been debunked tbh but i am a few friends with shawols who don't like her for those reasons

[lilac furnace]

most of them are guided by hybe’s absurd media play. don’t pay attention, it’s not worth it

[ionic rain]

thats my point with whole mhj stuff, she never did something that others haven't done, but she's always conveyed as a monster bc of that

[jolly junco]

Can they really prove that the members said so? Or its just all speculation without proof?

[lyric geyser]

How is this getting likes ????

[exotic torrent]

tiktok stans are soo stupid 😭

[glass breach]

Some people are wild

[ionic rain]

yeah I know, but I want to know if I'm missing something bc I really apreciate her work

[bronze jetty]

there are clips supposedly but i feel like the subtitles are mistranslated

[lyric geyser]

They were never real Stans

[exotic torrent]

tbh yeah

[jolly junco]

Send the clips here, we can have someone to help translate it

[true bobcat]

Justice for newjeans 💙🤍

[exotic torrent]

they only like them because of a couple viral songs

[light island]

so just simply from looking at a comment section this seems like a topic no one can agree on. i might stay out of this one😅 i wish the best for the girls.

[wheat raft]

why are we sending doom tweets here

[lyric geyser]

I’m so angry rn

[exotic torrent]

my person opinion is that all the adults are in the wrong and the members shouldn't of been involved in this

[lilac furnace]

aside from what is already being mentioned here about her past, there really isn’t anything else

[glass breach]

Oooo hehehe😈 and I wish them gl

[ionic rain]

were pretty much agreeing here actually

[marble cape]

same i’ve only saw stans bring it up and its already been debunked already,only way i would react is if there was actual “victims” that came out and said something

[ionic rain]

way more than I expected

[light island]

i'm glad! but tiktok comments can get pretty crazy.

[marble cape]

i just dont understand how ppl can side with hybe here

[ionic rain]

oh I thought yoy were talking about here sorry

[exotic torrent]

company stans...

[light island]

nooo i'm talking about tiktok comments

[lyric geyser]

They’re brainwashed by TikTok BS and don’t take a second to learn

[tired ingot]

I love newjeans

[marble cape]

newjeans is clearly being mistreated literally in 4k

[light island]

i'm still trying to learn about the situation

[lilac furnace]

maybe it's extreme ignorance, or maybe it's extreme dishonesty

[ionic rain]

actually its understandable, with a lot of media play HYBEs doing

[novel fiber]

i would just not look to mhj, or anyone in kpop, even nj, to be perfect without flaws, never having mistakes or bad things in their past. especially in kpop industry that is ruthlessly competitive and surrounded by money, greed, drugs, etc

[exotic torrent]

STAFF telling people to ignore members of the group is literally insane

[surreal ingot]

they side with hybe because they are either company stans or are fans of other idols that mhj had namedropped

[wheat raft]

no point getting angry at those. antis will always exist, we cant stop it but we can choose how we react to it.

and we should choose positivity

being negative online just gives them (and the general public) fodder to attack tokkis again

[novel fiber]

gotta decide if the good parts outweigh the bad parts really

[lyric geyser]

Mhm

[ionic rain]

I would say that with every artist or people you admire, its just what youre able to ignore or isnt such a big deal fy

[glass breach]

Stanning a company is wild 😭

[valid sierra]

They dont know anything about NewJeans' situation. their opinions are invalid

[wheat raft]

pinned message in main chat

[surreal ingot]

i feel like their best bet is to leave hybe and rebrand

[lilac furnace]

sometimes i think that this and many other issues are just a smokescreen. many fandoms have always been bittersweet about newjeans, and it seems like a bit of jealousy tbh

[late moon]

Gulp

[glass breach]

Same!!

[abstract burrow]

guys what is doom posting

[exotic torrent]

they would be blacklisted... hybe would do it so obviously 2

[wheat raft]

antis will never do their research because they are antis lol

[ionic rain]

negativity, focusing on bad endings etc

[abstract burrow]

ohhh ok ty

[exotic torrent]

i dont think theyll be disbanding or anything tbh

[valid sierra]

*x https://x.com/newjeans_loop/status/1834020444686479853/photo/1
stock market just opened

[harsh dove]

@newjeans_loop <t:1726099523:d>

[lilac furnace]

yeah! 😂

[ionic rain]

oof

[glass breach]

Yes prob because they're lazy or for fun

[calm leaf]

oof

[wheat raft]

not lazy, they just wouldn't. Why would you research on something you hate? You would just spill rumors and hate comments since theres no real consequence anyway

[glass breach]

Ooo good point

[surreal ingot]

they would still be able to rebrand i feel like

[stable frost]

Real

[wheat raft]

This discord is different from alot of social media because theres proper modding

[glass breach]

Ig people are just haters 😢

[wheat raft]

i honestly think its the best place to be as fan ngl

[ionic rain]

and hybe are doing a good job spreading rumors and stuff

[wheat raft]

Twitter and reddit are worse than ig

[ionic rain]

the whole situation with other hybe groups was created to make other fb to hate on us

[lethal terrace]

It is! There’s no way I am going outside of it for a week

[stable frost]

Reallllll

[glass breach]

YEEE esp Twitter 😭

A lot of rage baiters

[wheat raft]

yeah stay on here and focus on supporting newjeans rather than addressing hate comments, trust me you will feel much better

[glass breach]

YAAAA

[wheat raft]

imagine if haters are only communicating with their own hater circle, wouldnt be fun now anymore innit

[lethal terrace]

Dude I legit just deleted it for now. I just hope we’re able to keep the environment here good. We’re just here for the girls and good music like there’s nothing to hate about that

[wheat raft]

its only fun because they rage bait tokkis on twitter

[lilac furnace]

i mean, they have all the popular support. it's not a situation like fifty fifty, for example

[glass breach]

Trueee it's more fun loving

[abstract burrow]

guys what is happening im a bit behind

[wheat raft]

pinned message in newjeans chat

[glass breach]

YAA EXACTLY the only important thing is to support the new jeans members 🔥 and W you for deleting Twitter

[wheat raft]

#newjeans-chat message

[exotic torrent]

blacklisting would mean no music shows and basically no media publicity

[wheat raft]

Summary

[surreal ingot]

yeah and even fifty fifty was able to rebrand. they definitely would be able to find a company even if mhj doesnt make one. the majority of the public is on newjeans side besides a few fandoms

[restive osprey]

What a complex situation

I just hope the members find peace

[glass breach]

Yeeee

[ionic rain]

do you think they would be blacklisted?

I know hybe is BIG but that big?

[winter pike]

no way 😭

[bronze jetty]

if this happened during the second or third gen, yes

[exotic torrent]

they have the money for it, thats what really matters to this industry

[bronze jetty]

i think it'd be a lot harder now to do that to them

[ionic rain]

there is a lot of international influence in kpop nowadays to exclude them

[surreal ingot]

the majority of the public is on their side. the only way they would be blacklisted is if hybe pays. and even if they cant go on music shows they will see be relevant

[ionic rain]

they are a jpop gg too btw...

[exotic torrent]

id assume they would be blacklisted from music shows and such but they could still make music independently

[winter pike]

if newjeans got blacklisted the whole entire would b mad liek.. so many know them for jus their music too

[bronze jetty]

someone tell mtv to bring back trl 😭

[ionic rain]

yeah, I cant see hybe blacklisting them to work with major brands

[dry atlas]

from what I've seen the broadcasters and all the show staff gush about newjeans. even if hybe requests a blacklist, i don't think they'll comply

newjeans are big kbs babies too

[onyx hearth]

Why ppl saying mhj manipulated NEWJEANS

[surreal ingot]

yeah it would be hard to blacklist newjeans as they are very loved in the industry even by other companies. only greedy people will enforce the blacklist

[ionic rain]

bc theyre dumb

[dry atlas]

https://x.com/newjeansnews_/status/1834024485739266371?t=-BBTT0xMHDHOAZMBy3JlIw&s=19

NEWJEANS NEWS🇰🇷 (@newjeansnews_) on X

[NEWS] The bullying of the group NewJeans led to a complaint with the Ministry of Employment and Labor.

On the 12th, the complainant, Ms. A, filed a complaint with the Ministry of Employment and Labor stating, "We strongly urge you to investigate the case of NewJeans' bullying

Twitter · Sep 12, 2024, 12:21 AM

[lilac furnace]

many prominent figures in the industry have been supporting them, and any other company would welcome them without a second thought. in a disbandment scenario, i feel like our only real concern would be the hybe contract and how that would be resolved in court

[onyx hearth]

They just love twisting stories and making shi up😭🙏

[glass breach]

They watch too much anime

[ocean arch]

Because they are manipulated by hybe

[onyx hearth]

? I’m confused

[wheat raft]

wow i hope this does something lol

[ionic rain]

can someone post the full text? x is banned here

[novel fiber]

LETS GOOO

[dry atlas]

skill issue

joke let me ss

[surreal ingot]

yes. it would be a big legal battle but i hope they try not to keep their name and old music and just start new

[upper solstice]

bang pd is right behind me isn't he?

[ionic rain]

ty

[bronze jetty]

a k-tokki submitted it or nj submitted that?

[late moon]

😭

[timber shell]

k tokki submitted

[surreal ingot]

k-tokki

[winter pike]

WAIT OMG R WE HAVING A COMEBACK

[wheat raft]

yeah actually hybe is just one of the 4, and its not doing so well

theres a chance the broadcasters wouldnt comply lmao

they know the impact newjeans can bring (see TMA crowd)

[ionic rain]

it reminded me that the president of korea posted them on ig, theyre huge

[novel fiber]

bts was what hybe used to pressure music shows, so its not so easy now for them

[wheat raft]

awesome

[winter pike]

all these popular famous ppl supporting nwjns 😭💔

[gleaming scarab]

one of the performers at league worlds 2023 also is supporting newjeans https://x.com/tobilou/status/1833974060352725128?s=46

tobi lou (@tobilou) on X

newjeans 🐰<3

Twitter · Sep 11, 2024, 9:01 PM

[wheat raft]

im sure most influencers love newjeans too

[torn edge]

what do you expect from tiktok user...their brain literally like a size of a tic tac

[onyx hearth]

Omg twins

[dry atlas]

fuck happier times

post these good stuff in njchat

[timber shell]

even Korea, some of other artists fandom support newjeans now

[gleaming scarab]

ok

[dry atlas]

we need the positivity

[onyx hearth]

They love going straight to conclusions

[ionic rain]

here only the bad stuff

[glass breach]

All of them should 😭

[upper solstice]

positive vibes

[torn edge]

all of em?

[glass breach]

Fandom wars are dumb😔every fandom should all support nj

[glass breach]

Yep

[torn edge]

the one i left wasn't supporting that's why i left...they were ignoring...probably they listen to their 'manager'

[distant gulch]

this. like if nj can't speak out, other idols won't be able to either if they need to

[ionic rain]

people say about bang pd and mhj ego but those fanwars they are buying are nothing less than pure ego

[jolly junco]

~t https://x.com/newjeansnews_/status/1834024485739266371

[narrow seal]

240912 newjeansnews_ Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/newjeansnews_/status/1834024485739266371
[NEWS] The bullying of the group NewJeans led to a complaint with the Ministry of Employment and Labor.

On the 12th, the complainant, Ms. A, filed a complaint with the Ministry of Employment and Labor stating, "We strongly urge you to investigate the case of NewJeans' bullying

[jolly junco]

who do you think is Ms. A?

[glass breach]

Exactlyy

[ashen charm]

This could be a new revolution or the end of njs there's alot of risk with this

[torn edge]

5050 speak out too tho...yet... :/

[glass breach]

Idk them😔

[timber shell]

it says that Ms. A is one of bunnies

[glass breach]

At least they kinda came back 🔥

And new jeans is super duper famous

[distant gulch]

yes, and if they had better circumstances, it could have helped other idols. nj circumstances are different than 5050

[hoary frost]

What who is this??

[sharp garden]

Anonymous

[torn edge]

well i hope the result with new jeans come out better as we expected...justice. so that other idols who got mistreatment from their agency can act the same. those PD needs a psyc therapy fs

[ionic rain]

5050 was fooled by the producer, there is a lot of things they could use against her

[pulsar epoch]

What does this mean

[sharp garden]

Don’t have to bring out 5050 in this thread

Focus on NewJeans

[torn edge]

true, nj were like they vs the whole building of hybe and the industry while 5050 is a bit conflict of interest i think...paycheck if i'm not wrong?

[sharp garden]

No name calling too

[torn edge]

ah yes i forgor

[timber shell]

someone(guessed to be bunnies) complaint about bullying newjeans to ministry of employment and labor

[torn edge]

man i just woke up from my night shift TT forgive me MODS 😦

[sharp garden]

[hoary frost]

i mean where is this from did the ministry just announced that someone filed a complaint?

[torn edge]

probably some whistleblower bunnies inside the ministry?

[sharp garden]

Or he/she announced themselves

[pulsar epoch]

bullying referring to HYBE? or people in social media

[ionic rain]

hybe, since its labor ministry

[gloomy talon]

hello, is the video they posted taken down now?

[jolly junco]

yes, but you can watch the eng sub version at tokkitokkitv youtube chanel

[gloomy talon]

thank you sm

[wheat raft]

nj defo getting lectured after that live

i just hope they are okay. Tho im pretty sure they getting gaslighted somehow rn

[hoary frost]

I just watched it again with subs Hyein is really mad on her last statement i just know they holding back on what they really want to say

[gloomy talon]

i’m proud of them

[cerulean ermine]

*tt https://vt.tiktok.com/ZS2aWe6JH/

[harsh dove]

@flo

[calm leaf]

yh cuz u rarely see idols speak out abt their companies

[hoary frost]

that is what i was wondering i hope their managers are on their side

[ionic rain]

she was on the verge of crying it makes me so mad

[pulsar epoch]

I know, i noticed that too, the tone she said those last words was strong. They definitely could say much more

[wheat raft]

https://x.com/chiitan7407/status/1833883240882749659?s=46&t=nArScn1nuDKKLyO-F5UGKg

ちぃたん☆／Chiitan (@chiitan7407) on X

@NewJeans_ADOR @yslbeauty I'm proud of your courage and actions.
Chiitan is a supporter of New Jeans.
Chiitan will protect✨
I'll continue to support you!

Twitter · Sep 11, 2024, 3:00 PM

[hoary frost]

so brave for them its sad bcuz ppl are saying they only doing this for sympathy when you can cleary tell that they tryna stay strong and not cry

[dry atlas]

https://x.com/pannchoa/status/1833951197276889334

pannchoa (@pannchoa) on X

All of HYBE's mistreatment towards NewJeans since April 2024
https://t.co/xQjTkghMVO

Twitter · Sep 11, 2024, 7:30 PM

[tribal sand]

Hey yall

[calm leaf]

hey

[tribal sand]

Praying for NewJeans 🙏

[onyx hearth]

The ppl saying “NEWJEANS this isn’t a smart move” or “they just ended their career” NEED TO SHUT UP

[zenith herald]

x is not available in my country, can someone post the screenshots?

[calm leaf]

exactly

[dry atlas]

https://www.pannchoa.com/2024/09/theqoo-to-people-telling-newjeans-to.html

[zenith herald]

ty c:

[jolly junco]

its better for them to speak up like this rather than keeping everything to themselves. Its mentally stressful if they have to work under that pressure for years, and i'm afraid it wont do any good for their mental health in the long run

wether it will end their career or not, at least they will not work while bottling up all these feelings inside

[onyx hearth]

Right these “NEWJEANS fans” are really showing their true colors cuz why aren’t u being supportive instead ur shaming them? HELLO yall only care about what you get out of them💀☠️

[jolly junco]

i have went thru 1 idol suicide because of all the bullying she got, i dont want the same thing to happen if they keep quiet about this

so i'm really2 thankful for them to speak up about this in public

[opal horizon]

What's going on?

[pine jewel]

I agree with this. Those bunnies should be supporting newjeans as much as they can. Even if mhj isn’t a good person and newjeans supports her. We should be understanding and see how brave it was of the girls to even speak up about it

[jolly junco]

if you recognize my discord name, then you know what i'm talking about

[wind monolith]

y is my tiktok feed filled with tiktoks saying they gonna disband like stop bro i dont wanna see that

[pine jewel]

It’s so scary seeing that but there could be a possibility of it bc of the girls speaking up ☹️

[dry atlas]

wow old fan

[jolly junco]

one and only group i stan for 15 years, and then came newjeans

never in my life i thought i would stan any kpop group again after that

[pine jewel]

Which group?

[jolly junco]

f(x) from SM

[gaunt flame]

[surreal ingot]

yeah same. i was out of kpop but then i clicked on the newjeans video on hybe and fell in love

[pine jewel]

Newjeans is one of the first groups that got me into kpop

In Jan of last year

They’re honestly the only group I really keep up with

[fresh furnace]

Omg this is sooo cute

[copper current]

Read this https://theqoo.net/hot/3401339536?page=1

Article/News News , Hive's bullying exposed... "Request for Labor Ministry investigation"

[fresh furnace]

I was replying to this lol

[hoary frost]

so if youre an fx stan is there any problems or scandals on how MHJ dealt with that group?

[copper current]

Person A, the petitioner, filed a petition on the 12th, saying, "We strongly urge that the New Jeans bullying scandal within Hive be investigated and that those involved be severely punished if any illegal activity is discovered." Person

A said, "As a fan who usually supports New Jeans, I couldn't help but express my anger after watching the exposé video yesterday," and "In particular, I judged that the 'suspicion of New Jeans bullying within Hive' requires that the truth be uncovered, so I requested an investigation to the Ministry of Employment and Labor, which has 'exclusive investigative authority' under the Labor Standards Act, through the People's Petition."

[jolly junco]

bro i've been into kpop since 2009, never once in my life i heard any work issues about MHJ

MHJ is not the kind of person who go out in public and yapping about works etc

she was always doing things behind the scene, work behind the scene. No one ever complained about her work when she was in SM

[hoary frost]

thats what i thought and even i did my research all her controversies pop just right after NJ debut even if some of them are from past groups

[ionic rain]

avarage art/creative director

honestly there are some "controversies" that make me laugh

[hoary frost]

like all the articles and threads talking abt her past controversies are dated just after NJs debut

[jolly junco]

she part ways with SM ever since kwangya born, i can understand why

the kwangya vision are not in line with her creative vision

[leaden pawn]

from what i've gathered, the "problematic" mhj character was a narrative pushed by sm stans when they needed a reason to hate on nj/hybe, which can explain why the controversies came to light after nj debut

[pulsar epoch]

idk if we can talk about it but what's your opinion on the "pdf" accusations?
since u have been following her work for so long

[jolly junco]

what did she do for her to be called pdf? this accusation only circulating around ifans, korean kpop fans never say anything about pdf

[cerulean ermine]

?

[cloud eagle]

a lot of chatty people that joined this disc just today

[cerulean ermine]

btw they can handle time management during work sessions..

y'all don't need to worry there will be fine soon..

[copper current]

This is the life and consequence of whistle blower, someone who stands up against wrong things, being painted as weird, being ridiculed

[pulsar epoch]

I mean i'm nobody to afirm it but, i have seen plenty things that add up and give off that vibe. There's this twitter thread showing references to it, it's in spanish tho, i can link it if you want

[bronze jetty]

is there a law in korea that protects whistleblowers?

[jolly junco]

yes please, let me see

[lilac furnace]

i don’t believe they are dependent on that view of ''success'' about her. they care about the authenticity and integrity of the art and work they do, and they believe that mhj is the right person to preserve it

[pulsar epoch]

https://x.com/setfranonfire/status/1673369402941505536

[cerulean ermine]

Lemme ask u goys
"First of all, don't believe the rumors you hear on Twitter because people are blind to the truth and are ignoring reality. Instead of tearing down the people we're talking about, let's just support them. It doesn’t help to be negative. Let’s trust that things will eventually be okay and that everything will return to normal."

[waxen musk]

*tt https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGeK4Usjs/

[harsh dove]

:warning: TikTok Error: There was a problem downloading this video, try again later

[light iris]

https://quickvids.app/BCh25YSO

[wheat raft]

the ones saying "groomed" are just

[hoary frost]

Those ppl are weird i dont even understand why they wd say mhj groom them and shit

[wheat raft]

nugu kids sitting behind their keyboard on twitter all day typing stuff doing nothinf productive in their lives knows alot about grooming

they should reflect maybe their own parents didn't ~~groom ~~ teach (edited) them well

[hoary frost]

They got groomed too

[wheat raft]

[cerulean ermine]

"All I can say is to just leave them alone because those people are irrelevant. They’re just jumping on the bandwagon of the issue without having any real understanding of what's going on, as they don’t know the full context of the situation."

just from the other toxic fandoms and join the piece of sh*t issues duhh..

apologize... me for swearing...

[lilac furnace]

don't listen to them; they are people who don’t understand the situation and, in most cases, don’t have the girls' best interests at heart. for your own good, it's also wise to distance yourself from the negativity too. stay here and focus on the good things, because they will definitely happen

[dry atlas]

i watched all of it

he wants nj and ador dissolved

fucker

[wheat raft]

👆

[dry atlas]

[waxen musk]

he didnt really say much tbf other than that.

just posted it because he has history of talking about nj a lot and interviewed them

[copper current]

I hate reddit, posted a post about NJ and they removed my post

[cerulean ermine]

be positive goys

[copper current]

They don't have any dirt to dig so they invented things to hate

[waxen musk]

I'll just trust the girls to know what's best for them. Really as simple as that now I've really spend most of the day non-stop having them on my mind.

[ionic rain]

dude seriously I can't take this

[cerulean ermine]

translation*

[limber willow]

newjeans members dont deserve this, being bullied at their own workplace? that is place is supposed to fulfill their dreams and learn new things.. and their concerns are being ignored..

[cerulean ermine]

[jolly junco]

ah the shinee photoshoot scandal?

from the perspective of artist or art related job, do you think this can be called as "pdf"? Don't think from the perspective of a normal person, but from the eye of art

and for the red velvet, i dont stan the group so i dont know much but afaik she only responsible for the brand and concept of the group, not the lyrics of their songs

as for her collective of images of girl that people said are underage etc etc...
let me make an example for you. I'm a 35yo woman, if i have a picture of Hyein who is 15yo when she debuted in my computer, does that makes me pdf?

[ionic rain]

it's the thread he send in spanish, basically saying that eta teaser flirts with a terrorist organization bc of some names

when you see a movie or read a book or consumes a piece of media, doesn't mean that because is pointed out in the screen that it is the whole thing

[copper current]

This is ridiculous, what kinds of sorcery is this? so weird

[ionic rain]

most of the things he said about art, references and stuff is just a base to creation, not linked to script in any way

[lilac furnace]

watching the hate is definitely painful, but what do we really get out of focusing on it? nothing at all. if we stay healthy, we can deal with things in a healthier way

[pulsar epoch]

You are saying the names are a coincidence? Or Why would they even reference that i mean...

[ionic rain]

e.g. why do you think so many ppl like poor things? do you think they agree with people putting an infant brain in a woman or the other stuff? there is a lot of information and construction besides the script

[vapid bronze]

Thread opened up

[copper current]

ok, too deep, i don't understand

[lilac furnace]

and... well, that’s how things are in the kpop general fandom. we can only dream of a different reality

[ionic rain]

what I'm trying to say is that a lot of controversy artwork has more perspective than its surface, even lolita is a classic for a reason

[jolly junco]

"The true artists see the world, the colors, the sounds, feel the heartbeat and the emotions in a different way than most of us do. They can paint, write, hear things that we can't. It is a perspective, a dimension we can only glimpse at and say we understand. But, not really."

Rob Davenport

[pulsar epoch]

I find the Shinee stuff weird considering their age at the time.
About the pictures and images she had in her house there's no justification for that bro.

[ionic rain]

it just doesnt make sense to them to put something like that, there's just no reason, if you look up to everything in the whole planet you'll prob find something dark that relate to some release that didnt intend to reference it

[ionic rain]

why do you need justification to have totally normal pictures in your house?

[jolly junco]

i saw 1 video of BTS dance practice on twitter before, they were used to counter some haters about this thing

on the said video, the members were dancing while pulling up their shirt to show their whole body (front view), why is BSH not called pdf for doing this?

[hoary frost]

lol the “hate” on social media is just fueled by bots even hybe acknowledged that they know abt it by claiming kakao used it against them its impossible for hybe not to use them especially with their connections in western media that are using the same tactics

[ionic rain]

the only thing about her that makes me go is the nct first and last mv about the teacher

[copper current]

I don't like watching people revealing abs, make me feel uncomfortable

[lilac furnace]

hehe, they definitely will

[ionic rain]

the rest is just why r ppl really bashing her for -this-

[pulsar epoch]

The thing is, they are clearly referencing the terrorist group. Why? not a single clue, but the names are in fact the name of those people. As a hispanic person i know that the name "Mikel" is almost exclusive to people from Spain, kind of the same for Maria. Such a crazy thing that they would coincidentally use those same names for the song ETA right?

[ionic rain]

me too, I just don't think its a mhj stuff, there is a lot of choreos with that in bg, my point is: why is only she that is the problem?

[dry atlas]

🥱

[copper jetty]

Why is this channel open?? Is there an update??

[dry atlas]

the director already said mikel was for mikel arteta, the manager of his favorite team arsenal

[calm leaf]

literally

[dry atlas]

i believe the director who made the work than some online randos

[half knot]

to be fair they also said cookies were about the music

[dry atlas]

also stop rehashing old topics

might as well close the thread

[pulsar epoch]

Bro im sorry but there's no way 😂

I respect everyones opinion not tryna make anyone believe anything

[ionic rain]

they are not even strange names, I mean Maria is one of the most commom names in the world

[pulsar epoch]

im just sharing content i saw

[half knot]

I think provocative art is just MHJ's thing and the people she surrounds herself with seem to be the same, and it clearly has an audience, which is why everything they do is successful and well liked

[pulsar epoch]

i won't say anything else if i'm gonna be warned or banned 👍

its whatever

[lilac furnace]

so the most logical thing is to believe some random spanish thread? lmao

[jolly junco]

lol you prefer to believe some random people opinion rather than the person who makes the video, literally

[pulsar epoch]

It's not that i believe "people" bro, the facts are out there. You can have your own opinion

[wheat raft]

💀

[jolly junco]

yes and also the fact that the person who makes the video said that the name came from arsenal manager, so.........

[ionic rain]

the fact is that three common names they choose is the same of an specific organization and a victim

[jolly junco]

there are 2 facts according to your opinion

[hoary frost]

[wheat raft]

life is nice when you don't read into conspiracies

im outta here

[ionic rain]

you can believe it, I'm not gonna deny it, but if you think a little about it, it will make no sense at all, then you consider the directors statement

[hushed whale]

eta mv is basically an apple ad, you really think they sabotaging themself by referring to some nugu terrorist org?

[waxen musk]

lol do yall wanna read the old ETA thread cos ur bored or something. WHY are you talking about that

[dry atlas]

oh true

ETA is irrelevant even tho this thread

[calm leaf]

why r ppl even bringing up eta? literally was debunked a year ago

[dry atlas]

talk about ETA mv will be met with timeouts

[waxen musk]

banish them into the old thread

[pulsar epoch]

I didn't bring out the topic we were speaking about something else lol

[half knot]

"nugu terrorist group" is a wild phrase

[placid rose]

okay buddy

[ionic rain]

it was just absurd I needed to point out

[pulsar epoch]

The main topic of the thread is not that 😭 ?

[ionic rain]

sorry for bringing in

[acoustic valve]

are we having ETA terrorist discourse in 2024? Y'all are fried

[half knot]

HYBE stock dipped as low as 163,000 this morning in Korea

[pulsar epoch]

lolol

[ionic rain]

it stills too high, it needs to drop more

[half knot]

yeah I won't be happy until it is below 110,000, their lowest ever was around 112,000

[ionic rain]

I would say 150,000 but wow you went low

[half knot]

they need to suffer what JYP has been suffering, which is a 50% drop

110,000 would also bring Bang PD out of billionaire status

[ionic rain]

lets goooo

[zenith herald]

seeing reddit praying for their downfall is disgusting, idk why i was even reading that

[flat skiff]

What exactly is MHJ accused of? sorry if its off topic

[jolly junco]

basically everything atp

[half knot]

like legally or what fans say? lol

[dapper root]

you are a fucking freak

[modern fog]

wtf

[ionic rain]

we were discussing it up there but there's nothing that is so much relevant

[half knot]

legally HYBE is accusing her of breach of corporate trust and embezzlement among other things, so HYBE doesn't have to pay her the stock options they offered her as part of her contract that could be worth north of $200 million

[wheat raft]

wat

[half knot]

you may want to read the context of that as wild as the statement itself is out of context

[wheat raft]

you know im not talking about newjeans right

[dapper root]

think about the message you just sent

[placid rose]

its very easy to get this channel locked watch yo tone

[dapper root]

read those words again and please walk outside

[wheat raft]

im not taking back what i said, and you probably should read the context of what i ssaid

[placid rose]

do you like the new ceo

[spark trout]

idc if MHJ is likeable or not, clearly she's important to the girls and that's what important, isn't it?

[jolly junco]

yeah HYBE dont like her too

[half knot]

somehow they managed to find a younger female doppleganger of Bang PD for Ador CEO role

[ionic rain]

it's not about nj, those are unnaceptable in any context

[acoustic valve]

and you're either stupid or evil for that opinion. Or both

[wheat raft]

ok maybe i used the wrong word, "teach" instead of groom

[ionic rain]

bang pd in hannis wig

[spark trout]

or just younger? i just think it's easy to fall for the barrage of negative press around her

[hoary frost]

i get it's a crazy statement but lets be respectful here, plz

[bronze jetty]

not hanni’s wig 😭

[half knot]

do you perhaps want employees to seize the means of production

[hollow adder]

mhj is significantly less evil compared to bang pd

[spark trout]

wow they were THAT mad about blue coral reef huh

[dapper root]

comparing a rock to another rock

[dapper root]

its not a pissing compeition

all ceo's bad

these are not your saviours

these ceo's exist to make money off you

they dont care about how you feel

[modern fog]

I knew you didn't mean it that way lol yeah you could've worded it right

[dapper root]

alot of you have to understand that

[abstract mist]

Ahh again the same input from tt

[timber shell]

isn't that concluded as fake..