NJZ Updates and Discussion

[heady gate]

yes, it can. There are only 3 tv channels in S Korea. Artists can get blacklisted. It happened to the 2nd gen.

[stone grotto]

JYJ

[twin cypress]

its seems to me that hybe is already blacklisting them by forcing a long ass hiatus on them annd taking away their producers and ceo who innovated a new sound

[heady gate]

There is a lifetime blacklist. It does exist in K-pop

[outer canopy]

Realistically speaking NJ won't be blacklisted nor disband if they stay with Hybe. However they might get thrown in the dungeon, but I think that can be avoided if the general public and the fandom show their anger. Clearly no one (even international fans) is taking the 1.5 year suggestion kindly. The only thing to worry about would be the creative direction and their workplace environment.

[half knot]

we've been over this blacklist thing

so many times now.

[outer canopy]

right

[half knot]

the industry does not work like it did 15 years ago, a JYJ situation cannot reoccur anymore, and JYJ members became obscenely rich after leaving SM anyway.

[outer canopy]

social media made it pretty much impossible anyways

[half knot]

and with regards to the "three big channels", this ^^

[cinder verge]

whats this hiatus stuff im hearing can someone give me a rundown?

i was busy all day yesterday and just woke up wasnt able to keep up with the news lol

[half knot]

basically a NewJeans member's mother, in a phone interview, said that HYBE told her and two other NJ moms that NJ would be going on an ~18 months hiatus after Tokyo Dome while they recruit new Ador staff and producer.

they used the word "vacation" instead of hiatus of course.

[cinder verge]

what!? i thought they were gonna do a full album plus world tour

is it confirmed?

[half knot]

That was the plan under current Ador management. But if HYBE sacks them all, then it's back to square one.

[velvet wyvern]

Someone get that fatass man away from the girls please

[half knot]

Confirmed as far as "NJ member's parent A said in a phone interview that HYBE told her that" and a HYBE official later confirmed that was what was said, but interpreted it differently.

[grizzled oxide]

I wonder whats wrong with the current producer 250

[half knot]

Hearsay with a HYBE official confirmation yes

[cinder verge]

interpreted differently how ? 😭

[half knot]

"Oh it's not really a hiatus, it just takes a long time to get an award winning producer, members can appear on variety and do CMs and singles in the meantime I'm sure"

[cinder verge]

f that bro i want music

[half knot]

Basically confirming it but saying the NJ mom experienced it differently. Gaslighting 101.

[cinder verge]

so it is happening noooo

[stone grotto]

They wanna use that time for make Illit bigger and for everyone to forget NJ

[grizzled oxide]

well thats impossible

[half knot]

they also confiscated all the ador staff work stuff, so plenty of time to copy their homework for a couple of years too

[cinder verge]

so just to make sure a parent said hybe is trying to put them on hiatus and hybe tried to gaslight to make it sound different but basically confirmed that it will happen?

[half knot]

yes

[cinder verge]

nooo bro this is devastating

[stone grotto]

They’ve had this all planned for a while it seems

[half knot]

The disdain towards NJ's success not being tied to HYBE and BSH has been brewing for a while, they planned to sideline NJ all along.

[grizzled oxide]

well thats why they made illit, something that could be tied to hybe. And just close enough in look and concept that if need be they could adopt that niche

[half knot]

NJ member's mom saying they even mistook the ILLIT teaser photos for NJ initially is basically all of kpopsphere in that moment 😄

[grizzled oxide]

Kpop stans dont want to admit it now, since they say they are so different. But lets be real tons of people confused the two groups when the debut was annouce and concept photos came out

[hoary frost]

its really only specific kpop stans that think that way..

[cinder verge]

ima be so honest the first illit teaser photo i saw i thought it was newjeans ditto

also lets boycott hybe if they make nj go on this hiatus

[grizzled oxide]

And all that stuff was planned. I dont even dislike Illit, but its obvious the plan was for them to be close enough to NJ to get people talking.

[half knot]

it's not ILLIT members' fault, it's entirely on the adults. One just can't deny the similarities just 1.5 years after NJ debut, in the same umbrella company.

[stone grotto]

They have too many groups and fandoms to boycott them. Plus they’re not the biggest fans of NJ right now

[dreamy sparrow]

im so scared for rhe future of newjeans because of the hiatus.

[grizzled oxide]

unfortunately for tokkies, its really just tokkies vs hybe company stans. even if tokkies boycott it wont do much. Carats, Armies, Fearnots, lilys (i dunno what their fandom name is), txt, eugenes all support hybe. Maybe the only other fandom will boycott is flovers (but thats because they get nothing)

[half knot]

this is indirectly tarnishing the entire kpop industry though, and outside of korea, companies and investors may be more reluctant to enter this shitshow and further mock kpop as fledgling entertainment

[cinder verge]

why cant nj leave with mhj are they bound by contract or smth?

[dreamy sparrow]

this hiatus is absolutely a stupid decision, and im not just saying that bc im a newjeans stan. they have an upcoming comeback after a year of nothing, and their first ever world tour. not only this but newjeans is one of the biggest groups globally right now

[leaden igloo]

no one said hybe was smart

[grizzled oxide]

they definitely have a contract and are bound

[dreamy sparrow]

doesnt really make sense from a financial standpoint either

[cinder verge]

life boutta be dim for the next 2 years bro im ngl

[half knot]

NJ contracts are not with HYBE though, they are with Ador, and HYBE owns 80% of Ador. We'll see just how nuclear this will all go by end of May, we're already reaching dangerous radiation levels lol

[grizzled oxide]

hybe is one of the few companies, who can afford to be bit "unoptimal" with money making and be fine. They can afford to be petty and not suffer much. A small company couldnt sideline a money maker due to pettiness. But hybe can, they have many money makers besides nj.

[half knot]

Clearly HYBE Labels system did not fully account for a "rogue" board of directors in one of their subsidiary companies.

[acoustic valve]

100%, what little credibility kpop had as a legitimate industry for artistic pursuits is being rapidly eroded

[vale grove]

That's what I was saying. But idk how well a boycott would work in this scenario

[half knot]

Though to be clear, the board is not rogue against Ador as a company, they are still doing things in the interest of Ador, just not in the interests of shareholders. Korea doesn't have shareholder primacy, so we'll see how it'll all play out.

[leaden igloo]

I think the best we can do is support nwjns as best we can in this may 24 cb

so that they can have resounding success and make people think twice about benching them

[vale grove]

Really upsetting to me as well. Idk if I even wanna be in kpop fandom anymore if they truly are going to be punished for a whole year and a half

[half knot]

Neither side are approaching this rationally or logically, so HYBE will likely still dungeon NJ for an extended priod of time just out of spite.

[vale grove]

😞💔

[half knot]

I don't really see how the girls would be able to function within that company and building after all this.

[grizzled oxide]

hybe already knows how profitable nj is, so they wont rethink anything just because it makes money. Its obvious if hybe sidelines nj its to send a message and be petty

[leaden igloo]

😭 just let me have my hopium

[old cypress]

or it could be that they want to give OOO time to establish themselves in the market

[grizzled oxide]

🙏

[old cypress]

and they give newjeans a cb with a different concept. And voila transfer complete

[half knot]

Also it is hilarious that HYBE claims they need 18 months to find a competent award winning producer, indirectly admitting they have no good producer in house or on call when MHJ leaves.......

are they really admitting their music has been slop instead of award winning?

[grim shell]

if only you knew just how deep the rabbit hole goes..

[grizzled oxide]

is 250 gone or something?

[shy schooner]

Hope the members can still attend brand ambassadors events if no music or tour coming

[leaden igloo]

I'd imagine they'll purge ador of anyone with talent

[half knot]

the assumption is that the current NJ producers would walk if MHJ leaves, at least that's what HYBE is suggesting.

[grizzled oxide]

damn

[old cypress]

obviously it's just a pretext, hybe can give a cb whenever if they want to

[leaden igloo]

I'd rather have no music than bad music that tanks nwjns respectability

[half knot]

You know, something else came out of this reading comments from many sides.

[leaden igloo]

that's why I'm skeptical of whatever grammy award winning producer they reel in

[old cypress]

bana/250/frnk are not at ADOR, they're their own label (BANA)

[half knot]

The fact that all these young teens are debuted in Kpop and the expectation is that they will be separated from their parents and isolated and the parents are to not have any involvement or say in their lives or careers ...

Like people assume it is a good thing or a norm for a kpop artist to not see their parents for 3-5 years or something like that.

treating the fact that MHJ was allowing NJ members to spend time with their family relatively regularly as an anomaly and somehow a privilaged thing.

[grizzled oxide]

people are just used to bad standards in kpop, that things that should be the norm is considered "privilaged"

[half knot]

This is not healthy, kids growing through puberty and early high school years are too impressionable to be left at the whims of company executives and trainers and coaches with no parental supervision or at least involvement of some kind.

[old cypress]

I think it's just fans expectations, reality is parents are never too far away especially if the idol is a minor, the agency will always contact their parents

[leaden igloo]

hmm I always imagined it would be like hogwarts or boarding school, so you can see family on holidays/breaks.

unless the idol is international

[half knot]

There are plenty of ex-idols who admitted they would not see their parents for years at a time, especially those who came from the provinces.

both during trainee days and after debut.

[old cypress]

yeah from the provinces but they're calling and all

[leaden igloo]

oof I never thought of it like that

[half knot]

I don't know, taking phones away was pretty common in kpop, probably still is.

[old cypress]

keeping in touch, not actually dungeoned

[stone grotto]

Isn’t it funny that hybe had been trying to contact the parents but they won’t answer them. And then this email comes to light

[half knot]

It shows that it was a lie tbh, because the mother admitted that she and two other mothers went to HYBE on the day of the presscon.

So HYBE has been in contact with the parents.

[leaden igloo]

'wont answer' = 'not cave in' for hybe I guess

[half knot]

At the end of the day, I think none of this stuff matters. The boys club at the executive level of HYBE were just mad that the lone female executive was complaining about their bonuses and high salaries despite their poor financial performances.

And she was asking for a re-negotiated contract, and they didn't want to give her what she wanted or even compromise in the middle, and now they don't even want her to be able to exercise her put options and don't want to pay her.

That's the jist of it all, the artists have all been caught in the crossfire of a corporate battle over money and ego and pride.

[old cypress]

they had ipads instead lol, just no personal phones

[half knot]

Fair 🙂

I don't think they are actually being fully isolated, but it is funny to see fans see isolation as a norm and parental uninvolvement as a good thing.

[old cypress]

yeah it's weird. As soon as parents are involved, people accuse them of being "stage mom/dad" as if they weren't supposed to support their kids. It's really weird

[opaque torrent]

It’s weird they’re siding with bang when the female idols are bang pd’s preferred gf age 🤢

[old cypress]

Accusing MHJ stuff while lesserafim does sexy concepts

blaming companies for overworking idols yet they hate one of the only companies that actually give idols a healthy schedule

and it goes on

[half knot]

they just hate MHJ and want to see NJ's downfall so their faves rise up because they live vicariously through their idols' success.

it doesn't matter to them that they are being hypocritical, this is weaponized hypocrisy.

all for the 'greater good' and all that.

[opaque torrent]

They are being willfully dishonest too. It’s not the parents making a mountain out of a mole hill for pointing out bang’s rudeness towards their children. It happened every time they were in the presence of each other. It keeps happening with the background history of this man keeping their children from debuting. And now another layer of him debuting a group similar to their daughter’s when he had written off that concept.

HYBE didn’t even try to deny his snubbing them either. They just try to make him the victim instead lol

[opaque torrent]

They’re also against artists having a nice place to return to and wind down. Ador is so privileged and entitled bc their money goes to the artists’ welfare before the fat cats in charge

[waxen musk]

Can someone please explain to me how Hybe's reported future plans for NewJeans are supposed to benefit Hybe?

[leaden igloo]

bsh ego boost

[acoustic valve]

Here's your issue; you assume everything Hybe's management does is to benefit Hybe, instead of say, their own pride and ego

[waxen musk]

I have trouble accepting that's all there is to it.

[serene cloud]

They could eaisly claim its a strategy like blackpink, long hiatus

[leaden igloo]

I would cry

[serene cloud]

It's really personal imo... something is way off between all of the executives

[acoustic valve]

Hybe will make money eitherways, with or without Ador and NJ. The stock price will rebound and the numbers will go up regardless, especially once BTS come back from military. The company will be fine, and BSH gets to live out his life as a billionaire that does whatever he wants and punishes those who he feels have disrespected him, avg. day in society with a clear ruling class of untouchables

[serene cloud]

And with rabid dogs protecting him

[opaque torrent]

I think BP’s hiatus periods are good. It’s just they never come back with much music

[acoustic valve]

class solidarity only exists for the rich, and i mean rich

[leaden igloo]

if nwjns goes into the dungeon the kpop industry would lose so much

[shut kelp]

is rioting allowed in korea?

[leaden igloo]

lol technically rioting is not allowed anywhere

[shut kelp]

i mean i know lol but i mean do ppl do it there?

[leaden igloo]

never heard of it, although I don't keep up with korean news (im american)

[acoustic valve]

send bsh to the dmz, he can unify himself with the other famous rotund korean with an over-inflated ego

[hoary frost]

do even chaebols have this much power

whole cult of armies that you can bend at your will

[acoustic valve]

even more power, but depends which chaebol i guess. BSH is just crushing a few individuals of relatively little importance, chaebols get away with far more

[hoary frost]

true

[leaden igloo]

samsung is probably holding everyone's strings in sk lol

oh this turn of events is so depressing...I wish I didn't open reddit today 😭

[acoustic valve]

I wish I didn't open reddit today - I say this everyday, yet here we are

[opaque torrent]

Has Reddit been right about anything?

[acoustic valve]

it's good when you need help for games, bout it

[shut kelp]

i cant believe this might be our last year with njs now i really regret not buying tickets to bunnies camp 😭

[leaden igloo]

will they promote bubblegum on music shows?

[opaque torrent]

I used to try to find skincare suggestions there and even then they manage to insert drama into such innocuous queries or give straight up shit advice

[shut kelp]

i was really hoping for the tour they were going to do in 2025

[acoustic valve]

I can't even browse silly subs like r/stupidfood without stumbling on grossly racist comments being upvoted into the triple digits these days, it rly is cooked

[mild mist]

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/addon/impulse-blocker

[hoary frost]

BTW this is good information about Newjeans bubblegum 'plagarism'
https://x.com/kiwiponi/status/1790106025934147898

kiwi 🥝 (@kiwiponi) on X

@nwjnsgenre So the gist of his point is. The video that’s been going around is a mashup to make it sound more fitting, tokkis don’t even need to defend newjeans by saying it’s a sample. It’s not. It was trickery from the start. If you really put it side by side it’s not similar at all.

Twitter · May 13, 2024, 7:45 PM

[dreamy sparrow]

Ever since this situation started ive been scared of newjeans future, but now even more.

[hoary frost]

this is in korean so they summarized it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZhyvyxTK4s

[upper solstice]

damage is already done fuck sean lim

[hoary frost]

*x
https://x.com/forkimminji/status/1790040172081336820

[harsh dove]

@forkimminji <t:1715613809:d>

[hoary frost]

i thought i saw everything illit copied from newjeans already, but the list just doesnt end...

[novel pebble]

can someone tell me what does the pd mean in bang pd

[mild mist]

producer

[upper solstice]

pathetic dumbass

[waxen musk]

What did BSH want from MHJ when he hired her?

[dry atlas]

make gg

[leaden igloo]

to inspire him

[hoary frost]

to build "min heejin world"

[tawdry vessel]

make a successful gg so he can copy it later

[acoustic valve]

he wanted what she did in SM; give her immense artistic talent to his company, whilst ultimately being under his thumb and and helping enrich his own ideas rather than birthing her own. So the exact role she played in SM and why she quit

[waxen musk]

That makes it sound like ILLIT was his plan all along but only after MHJ’s girl group was established.

I don’t know if it’s clear what I mean I can see what I said being misunderstood sorry.

[acoustic valve]

I'm making assumptions, but from what I gathered at the presscon; he thought MHJ would just play the role of a dutiful creative director that listened to him and so thought he could create groups with MHJ as his creative right-hand (wo)man. She clearly wasn't having any of it even during negotiations for Hybe's first GG, so he just let it go and went with the LSF debut instead by himself and some other creative director that would listen to him.

[waxen musk]

Basically he always had a plan to take credit for a new creative direction from someone he trusted (MHJ in this case) who could provide that, but when it couldn’t be for his own group he then took action to make it for his own group?

[acoustic valve]

Leaving mhj, and her group(NJ) in the lurch... he didn't expect much from it but when NJ became so immensely successful his pride was hurt and he made it a personal mission to tear it down. As for Illit being similar to NJ, I think it's half because he just wants success, the man has zero artistic integrity, and half because he knew it would damage NJ. two birds with one stone if you will

[waxen musk]

I have trouble relating with his thought process or even thinking of other famous examples which is why I am having so many difficulties understanding.

[acoustic valve]

I did too, until I saw the chat messages at presscon and realized he is such a vindictive petty man

[waxen musk]

But I do understand now, at least in concept lol.

Yeah I need to finally watch the translated press conference. Also I’m just awful with retaining all the information from everything that’s happened especially the early stuff like the press conference from before it was translated fully.

[acoustic valve]

I always wondered at the start "but how does this make rational sense for the company? This doesn't make sense"
Then I saw all that maliscious sarcasm over ditto getting into BBH100 and how he just wants to feed his ego by tearing down others with that "step on aespa" msg... made me realize this man has an insane amount of ego and needs to feed it at the cost of others

[hoary frost]

maybe the newjeans members didn't see him greet cause he can barely bend his head

out here walking like a turtle

[acoustic valve]

watching him next to them makes me feel sick n slghtly sorry for the girls knowing the type of person he is

[buoyant hamlet]

When I see a picture of BangPD I can hear him breathing

[cinder verge]

😭

[waxen musk]

I want to ask about the "dungeon" and fromis_9's situation. Let me know if it's too off topic. Basically I want to know what they've been up to all this time since their last album which was over 11 months ago now. If they haven't been doing anything publicly, what have they been doing privately? I want to know what to expect if NewJeans is on an 18 month hiatus.

[old cypress]

they just hang out and stuff

[mild stratus]

guys, im this close to close this thread. please behave

[heady gate]

You can close it and reopen it on May 17.

[opaque torrent]

I don’t think HYBE is going to let ador have peace in between

We need an outlet for the next drop 😅

[dry atlas]

lmao yappers timed out left and right

behave

[vale grove]

🥸

[old cypress]

oh that's why it got quiet lol

[dry atlas]

as usual rule 1 exists, no matter how much you guys hate bang or anyone else

-rule1

[tall dew]

**Be respectful of others. **Trolling, harassment, doxxing, and similar behavior is not tolerated.

[dry atlas]

Hive requests the Financial Supervisory Service to investigate Adore executives, including Min Hee-jin, for "collusion to lower stock prices"
https://marketinsight.hankyung.com/article/202405147594r

[opaque torrent]

its like an advent calendar! every day a new smear

[dry atlas]

i ran out of pin space

lol

[opaque torrent]

Hive stated that the reasons for the investigation were charges of committing fraudulent transactions, such as spreading false information that an artist under Hive's label plagiarized another artist in order to negatively affect the stock price, and causing damage to investors through market manipulation. did.

lmao bro that was already out there

[half thicket]

is this true that mhj will leave cuz of hybe!?

[dry atlas]

Breach of trust -> Woman blinded by money -> Gaslighting of members and family -> Stock price manipulation

[heady gate]

There isn't any announcement from MHJ. Just waiting for more daily drama release.

[opaque torrent]

ador can argue, since ceo had to submit statements to HYBE whenever he trades on the market, HYBE saw this as an opportunity to frame ador for insider trading by making the audit and their ousting of mhj public to drive stock prices down

and do they have to announce this request to the media? lol isn't this going to lower their stock price even more?

[ruby garden]

Hybe suspects that Vice President S sold the shares in anticipation that Hybe's stock price would inevitably drop once the email sparked a public opinion war.
lol didn't they start the public opinion war by leaking to the media about an audit before it was completed

[twin cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/hunting-shot-gun-fire-carrot-bugs-bunny-gif-5980544

So the gun blew up on hybes face and they are blaming mhj for the stocks dropping cmon 😂

[leaden igloo]

200 million won is insignificant tho

its about $150k usd, which is pocket change for ador

[opaque torrent]

if they cared about their stocks, they would've handled this internally with the evidence they had and went through the proper channels.

[torpid tinsel]

they thought they can easily win the public war

[leaden igloo]

I think this is hybe mediaplay

and reddit will eat it up and say "look she is guilty"

[ruby garden]

https://www.chosun.com/economy/stock-finance/2023/04/29/HUWIHL7TOBH5HCEKVMVCE6BIOY/

HYBE executives sold stocks before BTS announced group hiatus

Did they also investigate this?

it just feels like hybe is throwing things at the wall and hoping something will stick to change the narrative

Like didn't they say they will stop responding and let the court handle it?

[leaden igloo]

https://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/2023/05/31/business/industry/hybe-bts-stock/20230531183039449.html apparently 3 employees were found guilty

[opaque torrent]

i think ador needs to file a restraining order against hybe

[leaden igloo]

lol how can that be possible

[twin cypress]

if they cared they wouldnt have publicly announced their audit and instead held a meeting between belift themselves and ador and solved any issues internally and moved on. hybe clearly wants mhj gone because they decided to take this unprofessional path

[dreamy sparrow]

I dont even know what is the best scenario during this

[ruby garden]

When asked whether it was true that Chairman Bang Si-hyuk did not acknowledge the greetings of the NewJeans members, the representative said, 'It is difficult to respond.'
https://www.chosun.com/culture-life/culture_general/2024/05/14/AVMQFWBV3VFYZLNYDITYAT4NN4/

[dreamy sparrow]

Like this whole situation is just so stressful, heartbreaking, and confusing to watch

[twin cypress]

mhj is found innocent and sues hybe for breach of trust and frees all of ador

[serene cloud]

what is this referring to

[heady gate]

The count hearing is on May 17, Is it right?

[twin cypress]

people say blackball will happen but i say they are too big and international for that to happen. just sign with sony or some other international label thats bigger than any korean one

[dreamy sparrow]

I dont think they will disband, hybe cant be that stupid right? nwjns is one of the biggest groups they have right now especially globally.

[opaque torrent]

the article above. hybe is accusing ador of spreading negative publicity about illit's plagiarism

[ruby garden]

I think it's hard for her to avoid her dismissal but I think her chances of winning a countersuit is high

[twin cypress]

either way the best scenerio is newjeans and ador being freed however that looks like

[dreamy sparrow]

streaming the upcoming release is now more important than ever, we need to make sure it charts so hybe second guesses their decision to shelf newjeans like its nothing.

[twin cypress]

its clear the parents dont like or trust hybe so just imagine how the girls would feel once all their trusted mentors are stripped from them

[opaque torrent]

so mhj had this grand impossible plan that requires extra shaman magic of winning public favor by complaining about illit's plagiarism. she was so sure that she would win the public over and then hybe stocks were going to fall because a shaman is going to make it happen.

[buoyant hamlet]

🤞

[opaque torrent]

hybe saw the plan when they did an audit, but because they were possessed by shaman magic, decided to help mhj drive their stock prices lower, by broadcasting every update and make the entire world hate mhj so much that they would later pity her, thus securing her victory in the war of public opinion.

[regal frigate]

I hate bang pd is putting on them a long hiatus for a year

[short laurel]

I wosh shaman make bang do a huge mistake he can't walk out of.

[tawdry vessel]

one video evidence of bang pd being involved in dahn world cult gets leaked and blud is cooked

[short laurel]

Then stans will say "that's AI generated"

[tawdry vessel]

[rain spade]

they r ai generated

[ruby garden]

I can't wrap my head around bsh having shooters. this man is a billionaire, he doesn't need people defending him lol

Like it's clear a lot of the issues with hybe stems from his ego. He should just resign as chairman and go enjoy his billionaire life quietly

[twin cypress]

i saw a comment today from one of those types of people and it said we have to defend hybe because if hybe falls due to mhj and newjeans then bts will be affected or something like that. they really think the downfall of bang is the downfall bts

[ruby garden]

absolute brainrot

like isn't BTS self produced and write their own music? Is he even involved in their stuff any more?

[tawdry vessel]

a lot of nj fans are also bts fans, i wonder what sides are they siding

[opaque torrent]

im taking the side that makes the most sense lol

[ruby garden]

I think rational people would understand that the problem is hybe and bsh

[opaque torrent]

i read all the legal opinions on my own before deciding

plus i hate the notion that you have to stay loyal to your boss or whoever 'made' you... its a symbiotic relationship; once it stops making sense, you move on. no one owns you

[ruby garden]

BTS army is a huge fandom and the loudest people that are on twitter and other platforms operate like hive mind. They can't think and come up with their own conclusion

[short laurel]

Being saying that since forever

[opaque torrent]

why is it always just business when the person with the most capital dumps you heartlessly, but a betrayal if a creative wants to carve a different path? if this was an idol wanting to leave the company bc somewhere else is offering them a better deal, most of us wouldn't blink an eye at that. but mhj is a woman and doesn't have a fandom so she can't have these thoughts

[short laurel]

My introduction to kpop was army's Hating everything

[opaque torrent]

ive been thru so many kpop witch hunts. people are wrong like all the time lol the only times they were right was seungri and kris wu haha

2/5473678976 shit odds

[short laurel]

This witch hunt thing is so pathetic. Hate all u want but actively going after someone over nonsense. Not eve proof. Just he says that so it must be true n start destroying innocent people

Idk if mhj is innocent or not but hybe clearly showing that hybe is pathetic

[twin cypress]

before getting into newjeans i didnt like kpop just because kpop fans unironically take pride in being stans to the point they changed the meaning from what eminem(the creator of the word) defined it as in his song. being a stan is a bad and unhealthy thing

[upper solstice]

they dont care, bts is back next year

[shut kelp]

any updates?

[serene cloud]

there's been a lot in the last 24 hours

[hoary frost]

Namjoon and other bts members also sold it. Go sue them

[acoustic valve]

I mean, it's clearly mediaplay, how could ador know Hybe would make the audit public, and even if they did is it their fault? Another case of Hybe wasting the public's tax money with accusations they know will go nowhere. What's also concerning is how the media seems to be over their short period of reflection after the conference at their own complicity. We're seeing ridiculous groundless claims begin to surface again en masse... I pray this just galvanizes the public against Hybe more

[half goblet]

it is possible if the hatred is big enough

and if the fat guy really wants to push his groups

[dry atlas]

hey you can't say that

johnny will time you out

[half goblet]

my bad, i meant bang pd nim ☺️

[acoustic valve]

disband would be the preferable solution, if not ideal. The true torture (which BSH is likely planning) is to lock them up in the dungeon for 5 years until the end of their contracts, effectively gutting the girls' careers. He's clearly doing this out of spite, how could you ignore a greeting from a 14 yo jfc?

[half goblet]

they are for sure bound by contracts, disband isnt really an option

its only been like what, 2 years for them

[dry atlas]

what happens next in your disband scenario

i fail to see how that's preferable

[half goblet]

probably to redebut under a new ador that isnt under hybe

that is borderline impossible 😂

[acoustic valve]

they become free agents and can continue to pursue doing what they love. Ideally as a group together under a new company, but even if they went solo it would be better than being stuck in the hybe dungeon unable to take up new work because BSH wants to punish MHJ and her idols, because they dared to speak up against him

[dry atlas]

i hate that idea

but don't ask me for mine

[acoustic valve]

which idea?

[half goblet]

i cant imagine them going solo

[dry atlas]

everything you just said

[half goblet]

hanni and dani maybe, the rest are unlikely

[twin cypress]

Ideally if they disbanded and left hybe they can reunite the og ador staff under an American label and have them buy their catalog and name from hybe or just make a new name and release new music under the new version of ador

Yall Korean labels ain’t as powerful as yall think they are. There are way more powerful labels out there

[hoary frost]

ador should request FS to investigate belift and hybe

[acoustic valve]

I hate Hybe intentionally sabotaging their careers for a further 5 years far more

[half goblet]

idk man hybe is pretty powerful

[brave lynx]

Hi i have a question. I keep seeing stuff about a hiatus? Is it all rumor mongering and nothing actually confirmed

[twin cypress]

Sony Music Publishing is bigger and UMG is bigger

Hybe is only popping in 1 country compared to these other global labels

[acoustic valve]

It's not 100%, but it's definitely not rumor-mongering either. It came from the Hybe CEO's mouth himself and it's been confirmed, the only thing that's in contention is how long this "hiatus" will be

[brave lynx]

Ah okay thank you

[half goblet]

why would a kpop group be under an american label tho

they dont operate the same way

[twin cypress]

List of most powerful labels in the world:

1. Sony
2. UMG
3. Warner
4. https://medium.com/giglue/top-10-major-record-labels-d776d158a463

[twin cypress]

Why would newjeans need a Korean label when they are already globally known and famous?

[half goblet]

they are ultimately a kpop group, they make kpop music and attend kpop show

[twin cypress]

Isn’t the whole thing kpop is trying to do right now is take the k out of kpop and go global

[acoustic valve]

in reality, if the girls were indeed to leave hybe and come together under a new company. It would most likely be with mhj and the ador team intact in a new company instead, with investments coming from any number of sources, but most likely Kakao or some other KR corp.

[half goblet]

alternate to an entirely different path is a very risky move

[acoustic valve]

or warner music korea, the ones that tried to take 5050 lol

[twin cypress]

Also you are worried about hybe possibly blackballing them well guess what if you sign to an American company then they have the power to put hybe in their place and no type of blackballing would happen

[dry atlas]

is there precedent for that

any other kpop groups under american labels

does bb girls count? warner korea?

[twin cypress]

https://kpop.fandom.com/f/p/4400000000000095560

[acoustic valve]

k||aachi?||

[dry atlas]

what those dont count lmao

[twin cypress]

Why do they not count?

[dry atlas]

tell me none of those have korean agencies

[half goblet]

i think they are only under an american label bc they were trying to reach the american audience

[twin cypress]

It clearly shows that American labels are looking to tap into k pop. UMG partnership with hybe is clearly evident that they want to break into the market

Every American label would look into getting newjeans if they were free agents

[twin cypress]

You want to know why American labels haven’t broken in the Korean market yet? They don’t have the systems in place of knowing what will work, doing global auditions and training rookies before they debut. But guess what newjeans doesn’t need any of those systems in place because they are already professionally trained

[half goblet]

none of this is gonna happen bc newjeans is being held hostage by hybe under a contract lol

[dry atlas]

true

[twin cypress]

And this goes to my point of why signing to an American label would prevent hybe from blackballing newjeans back in Korea because it would then turn into oh new jeans can’t be in Korean award shows well illit lsfm etc can’t be on our American award shows

[half goblet]

but

[dry atlas]

what

[half goblet]

they cant, because they are hybe's property, they cant just sign to whoever they like

[dry atlas]

if they maintain this level of public opinion until the end

they won't be able to blacklist nj

atleast in korea

[twin cypress]

Im not saying they can just leave. im saying if they were to disband then their best course of action would be to go make a new ador on an American label

Cause people have brought up many times that hybe has the power to blackball their future plans if they left the label which isn’t true in my opinion

[dry atlas]

so many people are onto them

maybe they can do it to other groups but not nj

[torpid tinsel]

saw this just now

https://theqoo.net/hot/3229696130?filter_mode=normal

[dry atlas]

https://www.koreaboo.com/news/industry-professionals-comment-illit-alleged-plagiarism-newjeans/

i sent the og source yesterday but it got buried by the mom interview

[steep torrent]

https://x.com/pannatic/status/1790231973321122208

pannatic (@pannatic) on X

ADOR Vice President S, "I Just Needed Money for a House's Down Payment"

HYBE Plans to Request an Investigation on ADOR's Vice President for Selling 950 HYBE Shares Worth 200 M KRW, Suspecting That He Knew the Stock Price Would Drop

https://t.co/NyChiyLxWT
#HYBE #ADOR #하이브…

Twitter · May 14, 2024, 4:05 AM

💀

[half goblet]

💀

[waxen musk]

How can they prove they knew about the audit before the audit? Are Hybe saying Ador planned to get audited lol???

[half goblet]

it might be over

[ripe mango]

bro

im done with hybe day by day its getting ridiculous

[hoary frost]

he is also shaman

could see audit coming

[half knot]

at this point I'm not even sure what HYBE is seething at

they're kind of throwing everything at the wall to see what sticks

[hoary frost]

dispatch released something @dry atlas

[opaque torrent]

HYBE also requested the FSS to investigate CEO Min Heejin under the accusation of manipulating public opinion, knowing in advance that HYBE's stock price would fall. HYBE plans to submit evidence they gathered from the audit, including Kakao Talk conversations where Min Heejin and others explicitly acknowledged the drop in HYBE's stock price. For example, in a conversation from March 16, Vice President L predicted, "If the dispute becomes an issue, their stock price will drop," to which Min Heejin replied, "Of course."
**

they're trying to make it seem like the "dispute" is the plagiarism stuff but it could be text messages of anything where she complaining about their interference or her contract lol

[ruby garden]

However, HYBE is still proceeding with a response lacking in empathy. What’s more serious than facial recognition disorder right now is situational awareness disorder.
https://www.dispatch.co.kr/2291439

[opaque torrent]

ahahahaha

[ruby garden]

Did dispatch just release a negative HYBE article?

[dry atlas]

dispatch going against hybe?

[hoary frost]

imo its neutral rather than negative

[dry atlas]

is that it

[acoustic valve]

controlled opposition, it's how propaganda works

[dry atlas]

or is there something else?

[hoary frost]

yes this is

[acoustic valve]

The propaganda purpose of controlled opposition is to create an illusion of dissent or opposition while still maintaining control over the narrative or outcome

let dispatch get a mildly "objective" article in, whilst they know they can rely on it to shill more lies when it really counts

[opaque torrent]

Fans divided the good and evil into 'who gave New Jeans the most affection?' Rather than (Hive's) words, "I spent a lot of money," I empathized with (Min Hee-jin's) tears, saying, "I am New Jeans' mother."

Is hybe a charity? nonprofit? lol you spent money bc you know your employee has the potential to make that back tenfold and you can sneak in a slavery clause

[hoary frost]

first half they are siding hybe, second half they are not.

[ruby garden]

For the public, the most important thing is NewJeans. It’s neither HYBE’s money nor Min Hee-jin’s salary, but NewJeans itself. HYBE failed to read this keyword. This was HYBE's second mistake.

[hoary frost]

attempt was made. at least we know he really ignored members. acc to mother, it was not one member but multiple times. just bitter loser

[half goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171

[final crane]

Hello guys, I want to ask a quick question, was MHJ already fired from HYBE or not yet? (I don't follow what's happening much)

[acoustic valve]

no, that will happen at the end of this month, if it does happen (probably), but nothing 100% until then

[final crane]

okay, thank you very much, and it's true that with respect to that, I mean the departure of MHJ, it's because they want to take a hiatus, right?

[acoustic valve]

who wants to take a hiatus? the girls? The only people that "want" an extended hiatus for NJ is Hybe rn

[half goblet]

hiatus is just another way of saying they are forced to be inactive

[final crane]

That's what I mean, I mean when MHJ leaves (if that happens) then Hybe would put NJ on hiatus

[acoustic valve]

probably, that's what will happen if hybe gets their way and does whatever it wants, and they have so far

[half knot]

it's such a light poke at the situation by dispatch after ignoring it all for nearly 3 weeks

[final crane]

okay thanks for the explanation, bye bye

[acoustic valve]

classic controlled opps, it's the state of "free press" these days...

[dry atlas]

https://fxtwitter.com/hurtsaz/status/1790241736918540505?t=vdtfdP96SewujkNuITemlg&s=19

[half knot]

what a load of bootlicking lol, in essence it boils down to Dispatch saying "Hey HYBE, maybe act a bit more human and a bit more like an entertainment company please? we have mouths to feed too, need your money long-term"

[ruby garden]

yeah pretty much. they only really criticize park jiwon. it's still very much hybe friendly article

[hoary frost]

attempt was made

[ruby garden]

the deposit wasn't big enough

[opaque torrent]

everything happens due to shamanism. if they didn't do that sexist writeup where they credited some nobody ceo from source music for newjeans, mhj and momjeans wouldn't be so triggered and revealed what actually happened. that turned everything around.

[ruby garden]

seriously where is the usual dispatch in depth investigative journalism of kakaotalk messages and timelines to prove mhj's breach of trust?

[hoary frost]

i wonder

[opaque torrent]

*Hive side countered by saying, “Min Hee-jin is an evil play that provokes fans.”

eh?

[ruby garden]

Hybe responded to the interview of the parent by calling it an "evil play by mhj to provoke fans"

[ashen charm]

idk maybe it does explain whyy everyone is like speaking out the dance directors they probably got the boot

[opaque torrent]

i am 99% sure they leaked the email so they can accuse her of manipulating the parents for her evil plan to manipulate stock price the following day

[ruby garden]

They have to understand that their mediaplay is not working and they're better off just not saying anything at this point

[dry atlas]

yeah if they stopped, and ador kept releasing stuff, wouldnt public opinion turn on ador for too much mediaplay

or is that not how it works

[opaque torrent]

it makes no damn sense but it feels like their mediaplay is aimed at an international audience? lol getting offended by ignoring a greeting is gonna seem petty to a western audience... and that whole kakaotalk about the embezzlement where you would probably laugh it off if you're korean, but an international audience is like "ooh a potato quality image i believe you"

i think they dont care. they just want to disrupt ador's work flow and fuck with mhj's mental health by making her answer for all of these weird accusations

[ruby garden]

I mean did they need mediaplay for intl audience? I think their mind was made up since it's mhj

[opaque torrent]

i thought korea was the country with all the incels!

[hoary frost]

FSS is probably gonna get involved. HYBE summons them whenever they take L like during Kakao SM

[arctic sky]

Dispatch with its half & half chicken strategy

[gaunt flame]

If newjeans really going to hiatus for 1.5 years++ after tokyo dome, i might understand how does stanning BG feels like when the idols are serving in military (minus its because hybe is shit)

[arctic sky]

https://www.pannchoa.com/2024/05/theqoo-when-asked-about-if-its-true.html

As a grown up adults its embarassing

[snow turtle]

Thats not really a fair comparison, because military leave is mandatory and everyone has to do it

[gaunt flame]

Now they should make every hybe groups go hiatus for 1.5 years so they can get Grammy winner producer

[mild mist]

How difficult is it to just say "hello, I hope you have a good day"?

Or if you're Haerin, a nod and a small wave

[dry atlas]

lmao that's why the comments are asking, "are you deaf too"

[half goblet]

he has selective facial recognition disorder

[arctic sky]

I mean a small gestures won't hurt and ur 50 years grown ass man there's now way an adult should behave like that and this is really shown what kind of person he is.

[half goblet]

he cant recognize the faces that he dislikes

[dry atlas]

why is no one talking about the member who almost dropped out

and the neglect from source

is it a norm in the industry

i feel that's more important than this

[mild mist]

I still want to know what happened to Youngseo

[dry atlas]

ask in illitcord

[acoustic valve]

yes

the very public idols being "mistreated" is already nothing particularly new, even at the top, look at NJ. Now, how much care and consideration do we think these people give to the trainees that nobody cares about or even knows exist? Virtually none.

[short laurel]

what's weird about hybe stan's about not greeting back thing is. even in west when someone greets you. u at the very least reply back. rather i feel that west is more open to greeting back strangers than east. atleast my experience.

[dry atlas]

Adore claimed, “It was Hive that started this situation,” and “If you look at Hive’s actions so far, there is a malicious intention to tarnish Adore’s management and get them fired."

ADOR statement re: stock prices
https://www.stardailynews.co.kr/news/articleView.html?idxno=448703

[valid sierra]

literally, like i think they dont even know what they are doing at this point. they are just throwing all kinds of accusations at ADOR

[short laurel]

isn't stocks down for like entire kpop industry ?

[dry atlas]

it's so stupid though like does the ador team have shaman powers how would they predict the audit date

unless hybe colluded with them

what

[short laurel]

hybe stocks decress still less than jyp stock decrease.

[half goblet]

idk why they even brought the shaman part into this in the first place

did they really think it was going to hold up in court

[gaunt flame]

korea is still believe in superstition, but in court i dont think it would hold accountable

[short laurel]

non of the things they put in media gonna hold in court

[snow turtle]

from what ive seen literally nothing from hybe holds up in court

[fierce cloak]

i just hope that the court doesnt have anyone involve in dahn world whatsoever that would instantly bias hybe and bsh 😅

[short laurel]

not just dahn world or anything. i fear hybe will just pay judge and police to win. those things happen sometimes T_T

[fierce cloak]

yep it indeed can happen

[valid sierra]

i dont think u can just pay a judge

[short laurel]

they gonna win anyways but they want to win by ruining ador. so evil

[short laurel]

unfortunately corruption is deep

[snow turtle]

its korea

[valid sierra]

its a matter within a public company, it will be scrutinized

[heady gate]

When is the court hearing, is it on May 17?

[snow turtle]

the korean law system is generally very favored to the party that can give them more money and have more "senior" citizens

[short laurel]

from what i've seen. i don't think rich companies care about what public c or think.

[heady gate]

true

[tawdry vessel]

they do hence the hybe media play

[valid sierra]

its the govt they will be up against if they try to

[short laurel]

i don't think hybe even looking at public reaction. their media play is soo bad they are digging themselves. they seem to post purely to please i-roaches. this is what i think

[half goblet]

they do since kpop feeds off public

without an audience they would generate no revenue

[short laurel]

their main audience is i-roaches. not mhj or nj

[half goblet]

u cant just count out korean

[short laurel]

hybe seems to do so. as u can c with their media play

they jsut throw whatever.their timeline doesn't match at all. and any person who can think for themselves can c that.

[half goblet]

them doing a terrible job at PR doesnt mean they dont care

[short laurel]

how can ador know they are gonna get audited and sell shares a day ago. 🤣

[hoary frost]

minority shareholders too. they dont support MHJ so they are pleasing them

[short laurel]

idk man. it just feels so stupid at this point. how can a company fail at PR this much

[acoustic valve]

Rather, I think it's possibly quite deliberate and a common tactic used in information warfare; dump as many leaks and accusations as they can get away with to the media, creating an environment of confusion and distrust surrounding this case. This will naturally weaken the credibility of all reporting on the matter and they know it's more helpful to them because objectively the pure facts don't look good for Hybe, considering this is a multi-trillion won conglomerate bullying some poor creatives and teenaged idols.
Now, whenever the case does actually develop or Ador makes a statement, it will be received with skepticism because trust in the media has already been eroded surrounding this case and deception has been normalized. People are being conditioned into thinking "oh, it's more bullsh*t mediaplay about this story, not going to take it seriously".

[dry atlas]

I'm sorry but i gotta

[acoustic valve]

you don't even read it all

i left easter eggs for you in chat yesterday, u never saw it

[dry atlas]

fr?

i got trauma from ashbash essays

i instantly skip walls of text

[acoustic valve]

#1231839760759263232 message

[dry atlas]

hey i saw that

i thought you formed something from the first letters of your sentences or something

[half goblet]

dont give them the idea

[acoustic valve]

I'll remember to next time

[old cypress]

everyday i wake up to ridiculous news lol. Hybe going public with the audit and accusing ador execs to insider trade

And idk how one could buy the BSH face blindness thing

[half goblet]

no one buys it

it was a terrible excuse, the ceo probably wasnt even thinking straight before saying it

[old cypress]

absolutely lol

not to mention that highschool girls aren't exactly common at hybe hq

https://www.koreaboo.com/news/industry-professionals-comment-illit-alleged-plagiarism-newjeans/

even industry insiders think OOO is copying NJ

this is pretty much an established fact by now

[hoary frost]

ador dropped news

[steep torrent]

wait they actually provided proof 😭
https://m.entertain.naver.com/article/609/0000853602

[hoary frost]

i faint every time there is exclusive article

[acoustic valve]

I feel defeated that Ador even needs to do something like this, but what can they do

[tawdry vessel]

i wonder what hybe is going to throw next

im tired

[shy schooner]

Never ending articles

[hoary frost]

damn they said they will deal with them in court

[arctic sky]

i like the optimism

[half thicket]

WHATT

[dry atlas]

oh it's the same

[old cypress]

mhj was right, hybe is really projecting their misdeeds on ador

[snow turtle]

i love how everyone here was mhj hater but somehow public opinion got turned around completely

[half goblet]

we are on the winning side it seems like

[hoary frost]

i read it and there is nothing more to add tbh

[half goblet]

dont think hybe has anything solid against ador at this point

[steep torrent]

"Today, we received good news that New Jeans has sold out all tickets for the 2nd Tokyo Dome fan meeting in Japan. Despite this positive news, Hybe is obsessed with finding fault with its subsidiaries, and has repeatedly lied that it is protecting artists while not focusing on promoting them. Unlike Hybe, which is the culprit behind this stock price decline, Ador management is focusing on Newjeans' comeback activities to fulfill its responsibilities to shareholders." oooh

[hoary frost]

hybe should shut up

[half goblet]

just false accusations after false accusations

[snow turtle]

they have money

[tawdry vessel]

yesterday was sad but today has been kinda good

[hoary frost]

they should donate it to society for killing their braincells with their actions

[half goblet]

theres not a single corporation with good intentions

[arctic sky]

"Today, we received good news that New Jeans has sold out all tickets for the 2nd Tokyo Dome fan meeting in Japan cant believe that they still flexing in midst of that

[fierce cloak]

oh this chat actually more pro-mhj and anti-hybe the only place where we can safely praise her

[hoary frost]

what can they do? all nj news is buried bc of this

[half goblet]

never had any issue with her to begin with, i found all the accusations against her were really braindead

[old cypress]

way to strike back

[snow turtle]

you shouldve been here at the beginning of the thread, it wasnt like this

[tawdry vessel]

im with mhj since day 1

[hoary frost]

kinda gagged them

[arctic sky]

yea ik but that was kind of funny reading that through that article lol

[hoary frost]

right

[fierce cloak]

i guess so, i only appear here after presscon
always been mhj fan since 2013

[acoustic valve]

likewise, i unwillingly became one of her strongest warriors because the amount of blind hatred and false information kpoppies attack her with just drove me insane

[snow turtle]

2013
anyways, stan newjeans, ill dip out of here again

[half goblet]

its mostly the westerners that antagonize mhj, and u know how unreasonable they can be

[fierce cloak]

yeah, inetz are just cult now lmao

[gaunt flame]

Karen

[acoustic valve]

like damn, i don't even rly care all that much about her, but watching the way people go on a full-on Salem style witch-hunt for her just made me incredibly annoyed

[lucid yarrow]

still notes thing the biggest mcguffin if only the guy didnt write that stupid shit none this would of happen

[fierce cloak]

yeah it's so dumb, like they can vent it out then delete the file/ throw to trash

i can see ador/ mhj was really naive and sloppy at many stuffs that expose their vulnerable

[short laurel]

but those vulnerablity aren't exactly beach of trust or anything illegal.

[fierce cloak]

yeah, it just pure dumb

[short laurel]

lawyers are even saying if she wants ot take over the company entirely it's not illegal.

[acoustic valve]

that's on the assumption that Hybe's main motive for kicking mhj out is because they think she's "trying to take over Ador"... which I think isn't really true at this stage. Clearly, they have other far deeper issues with Ador as a whole and almost certainly would've found some other angle to justify tearing them down, whether that note existed or not probably wouldn't have mattered in the long term; Hybe would've found some other fabricated justification. They've proven they can fabricate false criminal accusations on the fly quite willingly

[hoary frost]

what is it ador says about May 9

something about employee in this new statement

[snow turtle]

So on friday everything will be decided? Or is it like a first public hearing kind of thing

[fierce cloak]

the root is bsh fragile ego, jealously and insecurity, and desire to control, and possibly dahn world propoganda

[short laurel]

friday is injuction. general board meeting is on 31st the last day of mhj.

[acoustic valve]

yep, and that note being written or not wouldn't have made a difference in any of those things...

[fierce cloak]

yeah, rather NJ parents and mhj react about the plagirism is the trigger, but again, it's still bsh fault for copy blatantly
Now they are obvious show that bsh wanna have the group with exact NJ idenity that he can control and make profit off, then kill off NJ

which is so dumb coz if the original source is gone, who he's gonna copy lol

[half goblet]

ngl, at this point illit is pretty much doomed

their reputation is damaged beyond prepare

[acoustic valve]

whatever else is trending at the time, he'll just hit copy paste

[short laurel]

every gg by bsh gets some drama right at debut.

that's why i like to think lsf survived thx to izone fans

[fierce cloak]

im hoping bts members follow this case and decide to not renew with hybe
it's insane that hybe using them as shield
im not even bts fan but it suck to see the money they make being used to hybe failing business strategy and abuse ador

[bronze jetty]

the garam situation as well

[short laurel]

yea. hence my 2nd setence

[short laurel]

honestly if they speak up. we'll finally be rid of i-roaches

[fierce cloak]

obviously, i like lsrfm members but they totally have chaewon-sakura fans as shield

[fierce cloak]

i think bts hands being tied behind their back too, they can only speak up once they leave hybe

[short laurel]

why the resigned contract for another 7 years. thats so stupid

[fierce cloak]

idk much about them but i do know some members are sensible, i think this case is a trigger for them to break free after all military time

[fierce cloak]

what they renew 7 years? isnt that abnormal? Usually idols only renew 3 years

[short laurel]

yea, according to what i saw it says they renewed for 7 years be4 going to military

but maybe army is wrong. i hope so. i need someone to confirm it

[fierce cloak]

yeah it sound absurb even if they count military time
veteran idols know the more they sign they more they lose their freedom
I heard bts members arent happy with lack of creative freedom, so it doesnt sound like they would wanna be bound in hybe too long

[acoustic valve]

Oh Ador literally called Hybe out for what I was describing before; building public fatigue around this case with their frequent mediaplay and accusations

[snow turtle]

why so certain

[fierce cloak]

the article also show ador seems confident with their case and have a chance to win in court too

[short laurel]

lost all hope.

[acoustic valve]

i try to limit my copium intake... but I want to huff so bad too

[half goblet]

everything seems pretty good so far

[snow turtle]

Even tough everything here speaks against hybe?

[half goblet]

theres only the unknown risk, which is hybe hiding the solid evidences

[short laurel]

everyone here speaks against hybe but also says mhj chances of staying is too small.

[snow turtle]

jay tf is your bio man 😭

[short laurel]

ooh that's jay

[half goblet]

🤐

[short laurel]

evidences to what though? many lawyers already said that wanting to take over the company isn't exactly illegal.

[half goblet]

idk, thats why i said its unknown

[short laurel]

what we really need is something that can stop hybe from exercising their 80% ownership

[old cypress]

ador execs talked about hoping for a lawsuit from the hybe minority shareholders, aka the pension fund, dumamu etc

lawsuit against bsh that is

[short laurel]

we all hoping for it.

[old cypress]

well, not an actual lawsuit but pressuring bsh to back out

[short laurel]

problem is despite it being clear who's the one killing shares. alot of old men in shareholders are very anti mhj

according to what people said atleast

[old cypress]

these are just stockheads who bought hybe stock, we can ignore them lol

[short laurel]

ohk

[old cypress]

they will defend their investment, they're like armies

[acoustic valve]

shareholders are like sharks, if there's weakness in hybe and there's a plausible case in suing them to compensate for damages; shareholders will 100% take it. That being said, I don't think we're anywhere near that stage yet.

[old cypress]

I meant the people hanging out in finance communities holding 1 share of hybe each

[acoustic valve]

well, the faceless shareholders anyway, the big named ones like BSH's brother or Scooter might always choose to back BSH no matter what, that's where individual relationships take over.

[acoustic valve]

so like r/wallstreetbets? Those people are mostly inconsequential... doubt they hold much hybe stock if any anyway

[old cypress]

yeah, these people are pro hybe for a reason

[acoustic valve]

they just like talking smack and picking sides on the latest topic

[dry atlas]

https://twitter.com/adorhanni/status/1790328904990797868?t=tH1n6Yu1uvAjuxpb1nl8jg&s=19

cherry ꕤ (@adorhanni) on X

ador has been the only side to actually show tangible proof to counter all of hybes allegations and yet they’re still on this witch hunt to find new things to blame them for. hybe is fishing

Twitter · May 14, 2024, 10:30 AM

actually.

[short laurel]

the reply. the questioning same thing on bts members now.

ooh https://www.kbizoom.com/ador-responds-to-stock-sale-suspicions-only-for-house-lease-balance-hybe-should-focus-on-newjeans/ english ver.

[hoary frost]

what hybe showed as proof: VP chat with MHJ answering "awesome"

conversation about stylist which showed nothing

what else fkdkskdm

[frigid mason]

[hoary frost]

what does this mean about deputy ceo

[sudden frigate]

Escalated drama before Haerin's bday

[mild mist]

Sounds like they're not allowing anything they have said or done to be used as evidence

[hoary frost]

oh

[leaden igloo]

ador's clapback to the insider trading allegations was really solid

[acoustic valve]

To release their personal information to the public is against both the law (without just cause) and probably their employee contract. It's why Hybe had to obtain signed consent from each Ador employee before they audit them. After the incident with the stylist and going to her home late at night, MHJ's lawyers had announced that all prior consent obtained from Ador staff was officially being rescinded due to them being coerced.

So technically, Hybe shouldn't be releasing this information the way they are, but of course the law is often blurry but they are certainly standing on shakey ground with their blatant disrespect for Ador's staff's privacy.

[hoary frost]

makes sense

[stone grotto]

Hybe is just pulling at straws at this point. Ador released proof that their VP bought a house with the money they made from selling their stock

[hoary frost]

they paid a rent actually

or something

[acoustic valve]

like ador pointed out, hybe is intentionally creating confusion and fatigue around this case. They figured they won't win against Ador in the court of public opinion and is intentionally creating a situation where the public grows increasingly skeptical and apathetic about the whole case... So that when real information and developments come from Ador's side it won't be as painful for Hybe

[hoary frost]

i wish that was true

[leaden igloo]

reddit is saying that ador sold off the stock in preparation for project 1945 (ador's pr war to bring down hybe stock in May)

[short laurel]

reddit is dumb.

[leaden igloo]

which is silly because ador literally showed a house payment

[short laurel]

can't all this be showed in court as proof of hybe trying to kill ador?

[leaden igloo]

Breach of trust on behalf of hybe? yeah I think so.
Anyways, I just don't understand why reddit people are all so against mhj

[short laurel]

i-roaches. they are mostly army who thinks hybe belongs to bts.

[dry atlas]

hey

[short laurel]

sorry.

[leaden igloo]

where's the innate urge to be a girls girl???? 😭

[dry atlas]

you do not want jam's writeup again

[hoary frost]

is this reasonable take?

[short laurel]

i not understand this sentence.

[hoary frost]

but since it is Co Ltd, why is hybe arguing management right usurpation? is there no contradiction in this idk. maybe court will automatically side with hybe since theyre parent company

[short laurel]

who manages the company better or who has 51%+ shares

[hoary frost]

[leaden igloo]

it sounds like the court will side with whoever will manage the company better, but the party with 51% shares has preference

[short laurel]

in ador case. the 20% owner manags the company better but 51%+ shares are with hybe. so who ?

[hoary frost]

me

[short laurel]

hybe clearly showed they want to put nj in dungeon even though everything till next year is planned. so would be so stupid to side with hybe. considering all ador has is newjeans

[snow turtle]

money.

[somber phoenix]

*tt https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSYdUU45W/

[harsh dove]

@i4envy

[opaque torrent]

A lawyer specializing in commercial law said, “If team leader A received incentives from Adore and money from advertisers at the same time, overlapping compensation could become an issue and CEO Min could be deemed to have committed breach of trust. However, team leader A received zero incentives from Adore.” He said, “It is difficult to establish breach of trust because it is original.” https://news.mtn.co.kr/news-detail/2024051414562827747

Lawyers are of the opinion that it is difficult to apply embezzlement and breach of trust to the advertising contract case raised by Hive. The advertising industry also says, “The practices advocated by Adore are still taking place to some extent.”

[dreamy sparrow]

can someone tl:dr this im getting confused with all the info
what is the best case scenario here bc everything seems bad or risky 😭

[old cypress]

is HYBE even allowed to exploit kakaotalk conversations for matters outside the scope of the audit?

bc the insider trading allegations have nothing to do with the breach of trust

[short laurel]

honestly. no idea. everyones opinion on this is different. me personally. if mhj and ador staff are forced to leave. i'd rather c newjeans disband and get out of company debt free somehow than being stuck under hybe for next 5 years. people disagree with me ofc.

[fierce cloak]

i actually think MHJ and ador have pretty strong case themselves so they focus on NJ comeback and quietly see whatever fuss hybe have, and use it as evidence agaisnt them

[snow turtle]

best case scenario is obviously everything stays as is

[short laurel]

like half of stuff theyy put out are nothing more than mediaplay and has nothing to do with the original case.

[opaque torrent]

https://www.koreaboo.com/news/dispatch-hybe-ador-newjeans-mistakes-criticial/ lol the tone of the dispatch article is like a boymom pretending to discipline her child

[old cypress]

they could be collecting evidence against hybe quietly yeah

[mild mist]

Best case scenario is probably the judge saying "these hybe folks are clearly cretins, injunction upheld" then at the shareholders meeting they can't vote and so the board re-elect themselves and have immunity for some time.
Then they spend that time finding out how to make ADOR independent and bang sihyuk ends up crying into his cereal.

Is that likely to happen? No.
I don't believe that bang sihyuk would eat cereal

[tawdry vessel]

miracles happen

[fierce cloak]

[old cypress]

I think that the injunction is to stall the whole thing until the police finishes their investigation

[snow turtle]

It will happen

[mild mist]

Yeah, like I said, some time of immunity until there can be another motion to remove the board

[old cypress]

yeah

[snow turtle]

Karma is real

[leaden igloo]

hoping for the injunction on the 17th

my only exposure to corporate law is extraordinary attorney woo, but I think if ador has good lawyers they might be able to finesse this

[mild mist]

I have no idea exactly what ADOR would need to bring to the court to get the decision to go their way. I'm an engineer, not a lawyer.

[snow turtle]

im also an engineer, if anyone needs some electricity hit me up

[hoary frost]

ok zeus

[mild mist]

Trust me, I'm an engineer, I think we'll put this thing right here

[hoary frost]

cut off electricity in court

[fierce cloak]

rather cut off electric in hybe

[tawdry vessel]

pay my electricity bills due on friday

[acoustic valve]

i want one of those chinese EVs in the US, can u hook me up?

[hoary frost]

i dont think engineers can do it

[snow turtle]

no im not in the electric car field, just electricity in buildings. sorry.

[acoustic valve]

[leaden igloo]

if the injunction is over who can manage nwjns better, I think ador can just have a wicked cross examination to show the difference in preparation between the two sides. one side wants to dungeon nwjns for 1.5 years, the other has albums and world tours planned. one side will be unprofitable and the other side will be extraordinarily profitable and benefit shareholders.

[old cypress]

cut the power in hybe's PR floor

[old cypress]

No, it's over mhj's shareholder contract with hybe. MHJ's side believes the contract should protect her from being fired by hybe

[outer canopy]

I'm starting to believe Hybe actually doesn't have anything on her

[hoary frost]

i think its already cut

[old cypress]

yeah they reveal everything except the alleged "overwhelming evidence"

[leaden igloo]

not a single lightbulb has been spared

[outer canopy]

They just keep on saying stuff that's not believable at all especially when ADOR has better arguments and claps back everytime

[outer canopy]

It's the little things that keep me going 😞 I still think there's a higher chance of Hybe winning but who knows...

[snow turtle]

nows not the time to lose hope, believe in our girls and the ador team, they always got it

[opal zodiac]

guys

please check the press conference, can you see the subs?

[snow turtle]

i can

[acoustic valve]

i cant see the subs anymore

[opal zodiac]

so strange, multiple people saying they cant see them, i cant either

[tawdry vessel]

i cant on all videos on yt that have subs

[rain spade]

I can't either

[opal zodiac]

weird, so a youtube problem, hope they fix soon

[acoustic valve]

yeah seems to be youtube, can't find eng subs on multiple vids rn

vids that should have them

[old cypress]

I can see the subs

[hoary frost]

i can too

[opal zodiac]

ok good, so only some people affected and they said they're fixing it. i was panicking i thought the video got a strike or something weird

[opaque torrent]

ador cannot prove what hybe plans to do (or not do) in the future when there is no actionable steps or preparation to execute it. similar to how it's going to be difficult to prove that ador's usurpation plot by a bunch of playful kakaotalks.

perhaps ador will make a case based on everything from past to present. i think they have a good, moral case, but moral superiority =/= legal (and vice versa)

there is one lawyer who said she can countersue to gain her position back if she's clear of hybe's complaints against her - i think that is the best case scenario - but that will take a long time

[short laurel]

it's a bug on youtube side

[old cypress]

https://twitter.com/TeamYouTube/status/1790368154100666870 @opal zodiac

TeamYouTube (@TeamYouTube) on X

if you're having trouble getting captions/subtitles to load on vids you’re watching, we’re aware & working on a fix! stay tuned & thanks for your patience! ➡️ https://t.co/4anHjEiD7a

Twitter · May 14, 2024, 1:06 PM

[stone grotto]

Does dispatch really have cctv footage of bsh ignoring the girls

[short laurel]

isn't it official that hybe said 1.5 years haitus. wouldn't that count ?

[old cypress]

yeah i'm confused as well

[opaque torrent]

they "clarified" their comments

[outer canopy]

where did people say that?

[stone grotto]

A saw a Korean tweet post a dispatch article but it wasn’t translated but someone commented something about cctv footage in English

There’s also this https://x.com/hyeindolls/status/1790359806483603738?s=46&t=UKZ3i9wDhVFfFf3As6Ff0g

odessa ꕤ ★ °✩⋆˙ (@hyeindolls) on X

HYBE you better start paying Dispatch cuz they got your tea my good sis 😬 how the hell did they get CCTV footage???? 💀💀

Twitter · May 14, 2024, 12:33 PM

[opaque torrent]

https://www.dispatch.co.kr/2291439

no mention of 'cctv' in hangul nor auto translate. just confirmation

지난 달 25일, 하이브와 뉴진스 측이 면담을 가졌다. '뉴진스' 부모 3명이 참석했다. 그들은 이 자리에서 박지원 대표에게 "방시혁이 왜 인사를 받아주지 않냐"고 물었다.

하이브의 대답은 무엇일까. "방시혁 의장이 안면인식장애가 있을 수 있다"고 해명한 것으로 전해진다. 부모들은 "인사 소리는 들리지 않냐"고 되물었다는 이야기도 들린다.

'디스패치' 확인 결과, 인사 외면은 실제 일이었다. 당시 A멤버가 사내 엘리베이터를 세웠다. 그 안에 방시혁 의장 혼자 타고 있었다. A멤버는 고개를 숙이며 동승했다.

물론, 방시혁 의장의 사정은 모른다. 왜 '노룩'을 했는지 알 수 없다. 다만, 하이브의 해명은 실패다. 면담 내용이 언론에 공개된 것 자체로 "신뢰를 쌓지 못했다"는 반증이다.

but its a fair assumption. how else could they confirm?

[short laurel]

don't you know that dispatch has cctv in everything related to kpop

how else they get wind of every lil drama

[waxen musk]

Finished watching press conference translation. I feel like as time goes on and more things come out that going back with additional context just enhances my understanding of what was happening. So thanks TikkiTokki as always I think it's very important for my understanding.

One thing she said remains true is that Hybe is spending more time and effort on whatever they're doing in the press regarding this situation than even Ador has been doing promoting NewJeans' new MV and Tokyo Dome sellout in responses to these situations. I just thought that was funny and very clear how Hybe is treating NewJeans themselves right now.

[stone grotto]

I should prob watch it too. I was following the transcript live at like 4AM so it probably wasn’t as detailed as the subbed video lol

They really did pick an opportune time to do all this thinking Ador can’t handle the audit and comeback at the same time

[opaque torrent]

https://www.khan.co.kr/economy/economy-general/article/202405142047005

Beyond disgrace to Hive, a threat to the top of K-pop’s history… Stop it, you'll all die if you keep doing this

[acoustic valve]

fantastic "both sides" opinion
... but I guess it's still better than the usual pro-hybe opinion that's mostly been leaking from editorials on this matter

[waxen musk]

Now that I feel I've refreshed myself on everything that's happened I really do feel more confident that Hybe does not have a single thing they can claim Ador is wrongfully doing.

I am however unsure about the 17th injunction hearing. Comments above have shown little confidence that this will succeed but without any explanation for why there's a lack of confidence. I'd appreciate explainations of this lack fo confidence.

[short laurel]

"The internal conflict between Hive, Korea's largest entertainment company, and its subsidiary Adore is deepening" i thought hybe was large only in kpop (cuz of just 1 group at that). but all of entertainment ?

[waxen musk]

I also after watching the press conference believe that MHJ would not want to go through the process of being a creative in the industry and will stop working in it. So that worries me that if she is removed that will be it and we will never see any new works from her.

[short laurel]

cuz korea...

[waxen musk]

If the likely removal of her happens and the hopeful fight back to prove it was a wrongful dismissal, what would she win/be compensated with if she suceeds (however long that takes)? Is it just monetary compensation?

Sorry I'm asking a million questions at once lol.

[acoustic valve]

Obviously none of us(that I know of) are lawyers, much less Korean lawyers at that. But most professional opinions I've seen on the matter seem to say the injunction is a hail mary from Ador and is unlikely to succeed. Of course, this doesn't mean it won't, but I wouldn't bet on it

[serene cloud]

i think it will be just monetary ie her stock options at the current rate

[acoustic valve]

we don't know the details of ador's articles of incorporation or MHJ's personal personal contract with Hybe, so once again, hard to give definitive answers. But suing for monetary compensation is almost guaranteed, with other possibilities including reinstatement as CEO, but once again, hard to know for sure beyond the monetary compensation

[sterile umbra]

what happened, folks. TLDR

[hoary frost]

we await for the last judgement

[stone grotto]

Yeah I’m pretty nervous of what’s going to happen

Just thinking about the group getting thrown in the hybe basement makes me sad

[old cypress]

Because the injunction is about the shareholder agreement setting MHJ's as ADOR's CEO for a few years. So MHJ is arguing that she can't be fired by HYBE because they have a contract. Confidence is low because legal experts believe HYBE can fire her despite the agreement.

[opaque torrent]

I think people are taking this position because there’s a chance the police complaint is valid

But there have been a lot of articles that side with MHJ

This one that Mel linked, which interviewed industry creatives https://sports.khan.co.kr/news/sk_index.html?art_id=202405131027003&sec_id=540301

https://x.com/cato_o_o/status/1786236108843479144?s=46

Cato_o_o (@cato_o_o) on X

Article titled

"Bang Si-hyuk, planning to kill Min Hee-jin by copying NewJeans... A case of technology theft from a venture company"

Byun Hee Jae, founder and CEO of Mediawatch and his view on current MHJ and HYBE feud.

(He is pretty unfiltered. Fair warning)

1/

Twitter · May 3, 2024, 3:27 AM

This one sides with MHJ/CYM on the whole freelancing issue https://news.mtn.co.kr/news-detail/2024051414562827747

[grim shell]

planning to kill? maybe they should use different wording for a sec i thought something big was going down? 😂

[acoustic valve]

I mean, honestly wouldn't be surprised atp

[outer canopy]

Hybe says Bang PD not greeting them isn't true-> cctv footage
Hybe says MHJ wrote the parents' letter pretending to be them-> one of the parents denies it
Hybe says Ador knew about the audit and was planning to make the stocks plummet-> Ador comes out with the receipts...
I hope this pattern goes on

[ruby garden]

It's because of this article in the korean commercial law

Basically in the injunction mhj filed, she claimed that an attempt to dismiss her violates the contract she signed with HYBE which is for 5 years but the korean law says that a director can be removed any time if a resolution to dismiss them is adopted. Hybe owns 80% so they have the right to convene the meeting and follow through with their agenda.

it doesn't matter how long she is signed for as long as majority votes to remove her. What she can do is file a lawsuit to claim damages for dismissal without good cause

[short laurel]

i really really wish court side with mhj. haters are really on this "jsut wait for court result" haters are gonna spin it as "c mhj was criminal" they not understand what this is all about and just seeing winner as good and losser as criminal.

and it really makes me worried

[acoustic valve]

ideally she successfully sues hybe for removing her and gets her 100B bag, then NJ sues Hybe for mistreatment and gets their contract terminated with no penalty

[ruby garden]

unfortunately public opinion doesn't matter in court where the judge will rule based on the law and the law is on hybe's side. I would just be prepared for the worst because 99.9% chance it will go according to HYBE's plan

[short laurel]

i m not talking about that. i m worried i-roaches will be even harder and prouder.

[ruby garden]

well that's a given

[short laurel]

cuz we know chances of mhj is low. it's just the way international community spin things. people really beelieve what she did is illegal when this case has nothing to do with legality of laws.

it's just sad that when she's goign through all this and still lose. she'll suffer mroe cuz of people who don't understand or refuse to the full context of this situation.

and it will be a big lose if someone like her leaves kpop industry for good.

[ruby garden]

the problem is intl fans made up their mind the day this whole thing started. I don't think anything would change their mind tbh. She has a lot of support in korea and if hybe really does not have proof of breach of trust, she will win her court battle for damages.

I've been reading up on provisional injunctions and it says the result will likely take some time after the hearing and if it isn't announced by the 29th, MHJ will likely convene an emergency board meeting to postpone the shareholders meeting scheduled for the 31st.

So we probably won't know anything on the day of the hearing

[serene cloud]

so a decision might not take the same day?

[ruby garden]

yeah a lot of the articles say that this friday is just the first hearing

I looked at a similar case and it took one month to announce the result of the injunction from the date it was filed

[opaque torrent]

I think MHJ doesn’t have to be there, only her lawyers

[opaque torrent]

Honestly just block them. You’re on the internet, you don’t have to deal with them at all. We know the injunction isn’t about her being charged or not, it’s to delay the shareholders meeting

[short laurel]

I know. But like from her interview year ago she said how she felt about all the allegation. Ppl worked hard to fix it but now all these allegations are back thx to hybe media play. She mustve heard about it. It's just so annoying.

[opaque torrent]

yeah it seems like the controversies are mostly from others' malicious intent and not really rooted in anything she's done. it sucks but she seems to be surrounded by a strong support system

the peanut gallery will move onto something else soon enough

[opaque torrent]

have you found anything on what a company actually has to do to be transparent with shareholders when there are major internal changes that could affect their stock?

[stone grotto]

Ruled based on $$$$ maybe lol

Yeah I just block anything negative I see regarding newjeans on Twitter

If only I could block certain channels from popping up on YouTube

There’s this one 40 year old who has nothing but the worst to say about mhj and newjeans but has his lips all over HYBE’s cheeks

[acoustic valve]

u can...

[stone grotto]

There’s the hide option but sometimes I see their videos and shorts pop up

[tawdry vessel]

pls hybe let us have a peaceful haerin day

[ruby garden]

I found this on korea's financial investment services and capital markets act

The 4th point talks about it

[opaque torrent]

so they have to go through the FSC, a governing agency, and not your run of the mill online tabloid?

[ruby garden]

yeah in any case it shouldn't be reported to the general public

[short laurel]

This is what should've been in that community note weeks ago on Twitter. Elon your community note writers are biased n incorrect

[acoustic valve]

Non sequitur: I just want to commend bunnies for being the strongest fandom. We may not know how to vote, how to mass-stream, or how to do gigantic group orders for album sales. But damn, do we know how to take a hit because we've been hit from all sides since debut and it's only gotten worse each CB, to the point where we now have literally half the kpop industry and its fans after us, yet we're still standing

[opaque torrent]

Some fandoms like to give money to Elon to delude themselves about NJ. What a L.

[acoustic valve]

nobody takes community notes seriously anyway, nobody sensible anyway. People know it's easily brigaded

[hoary frost]

accounts with 50-100k followers making unreasonable hate hit tweets about nj. if i survive this, i will say that i have experienced it all

I pray that chronically online members of nj like hanni are not scrolling twitter too much.

[short laurel]

Hate is on tiktok too sadly

N hanni uses tiktok asaik

[hoary frost]

i forgot tiktok exists after i deleted it

[short laurel]

She probably get korean tiktok feeds most likely so ig itd be fine

[hoary frost]

doubt. she is up to date what tokkis say on twt

[acoustic valve]

well if it helps, it has always been terrible since the start. So she's been well prepared for all this and it won't be a sudden shock or anything

[opaque torrent]

Too busy selling out Tokyo dome on a weekday

[ruby garden]

Found this information about how provisional injunction like these are granted from a similar case

[hoary frost]

newjeans will suffer, yes.

imparable damages exactly

[half knot]

While this is true, temporary injunctions do exist with explicit expiry dates for another hearing of an extension or otherwise.

So if Ador's side is arguing that swapping the management amidst comeback of their only artist is going to cause the company and assets and shareholders irreparable harm, it could postpone the situation by a month or two, including the general shareholders meeting. Do remember that the courts have not mandated a shareholders meeting date yet, ador's board voluntarily reported that they will hold one. But that can be delayed still.

HYBE's hastiness could very well be related to just how big this comeback will be in korea and then in japan with their tokyo dome event, and would make it even harder to dungeon NJ after.

[hoary frost]

hybe will say they can handle it as they have staff and resources

there will be no damage. ppl even expect that stocks will increase once hybe cleans ador

[dry atlas]

jin is out in less than a month. i think

this is all temporary

[leaden igloo]

newjeans will suffer irreparable damage, but I think it will be hard to prove that

[dry atlas]

https://twitter.com/nwjnsbts/status/1790372246386508062?t=Sc86rG8fRFNJJXtVYAaXQw&s=19

☘︎ (@nwjnsbts) on X

MTN News broke down Hybe's embezzlement accusation of ADOR, specifically Team Leader A, who is incharge of NewJeans' HMS (Hair Makeup Styling) + stated perspective of lawyers and advertising industry on this.

🔗: https://t.co/sdA2xWtcOc

Twitter · May 14, 2024, 1:23 PM

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wait i think this has been shared lol nvm

[bitter lily]

i saw this on reddit is this true or just a baseless rumor?

[acoustic valve]

im gonna start typing mel

[acoustic valve]

it's not definite... but it's the likely outcome if Hybe gets their way

[dry atlas]

lmao

[opaque torrent]

Ah it’s almost a new business day in Korea. What will await us in the smear advent calendar today?

What if it’s a dating scandal?

[half knot]

I just don't think people realize how much HYBE has spread themselves out across gaming, foreign labels, IT, and otherwise.

The idea that they'll just recover because one or two BTS members are coming back, or that 2025 will be a rebound for them because of group comeback, is nice in theory, but we'll see how it pans out.

[lyric geyser]

You’re kidding right ? They’re not going away for a year are they ?

[half knot]

we'll likely stop seeing NJ new EPs or albums or single albums until end of 2025 if Ador people are mass dismissed

[lyric geyser]

This is what happens when MHJ is not in charge.

[half knot]

they'll continue to produce some variety content and members will have their advertisement stuff still

[bronze jetty]

but the world tour is supposed to be in 2025 😭 if mhj stays of course

[half knot]

if MHJ is gone, most of the world tour is likely halted as well tbh

especially if they can't get that second album out this year that was planned

and all this is under the extremely optimistic perspective that NJ members/their parents wouldn't launch some kind of legal action against MHJ-less Ador/HYBE after.

[dry atlas]

more time to save

||fuck||

[hoary frost]

[half knot]

I just can't see the members peacefully returning back to work in that building under all new staff

and HYBE is likely going to delay any of their major activities aside from brand deals and advertisement stuff until they're all like 18-19yo lol

then they'll give them some kind of LSF-like concept because that's all HYBE can do without MHJ to copy homework from

[dry atlas]

i think they can. they're professionals

[half knot]

they're still kids, professional or not.

they're not made of stone, and I doubt you can just establish trust all over with all new people.

especially with their parents' influence on their mindsets.

while I don't think we're in for fiftyfifty 2: lawsuit boogaloo yet, it's too optimistic to think they'll just transition seamlessly into an all-new ador and things will go on as they were more or less.

[hoary frost]

newjeans knows the best how they were treated or cold shoulder they received from big shots in hybe. ofc it will be emotionally hard to adjust new environment. i dont expect hybe to hire new staff but probably transfer some extra from other labels

[lyric geyser]

The amount of people defending HYBE on TikTok is still crazy to me

🤦‍♀️

MHJ need to take NJ and leave HYBE

Idc how she just has to

[hoary frost]

only if it was that easy

[half knot]

there's still ~2 weeks for the nuclear option, all things be damned.

[hoary frost]

i dont think NJ will be treated well inside hybe after all these. not only idols but staff might also hold unreasonable grudge against them after everything. humans are as petty as bang sihyuk

[lyric geyser]

Does MHJ still have her shares?

[half knot]

of course.

[hoary frost]

for now lol

[half knot]

I mentioned it before, but it really does boil down to that bit in the end.

[lyric geyser]

Then it’s not over, they can’t dilute her shares out of the blue

[half knot]

It's really only going to get messier from here onward.

[hoary frost]

just in time for nj comeback

[lyric geyser]

It’s very infuriating

[half knot]

shows you just the level of contempt at HYBE for NJ to do this right in the middle of their comeback schedule.

[lyric geyser]

As much as I respect ILLIT’s members, I will be boycotting the group by not listening to their music from here onwards

HYBE needs to understand we are not money machines

We have a say in this

[hoary frost]

right and anyone thinks that they are going to be safe under them like

[half knot]

I don't think all the payola in the world is going to cleanse ILLIT's image domestically after this. They'll likely shift focus to Japan and international audience further down the line. Sort of like Enhypen.

They'll still make millions and millions.

[lyric geyser]

Infuriating

[hoary frost]

newjeans is the one getting boycotted internationally at least they have korea on their side for now

genuinely if press con never happened, hybe would succeed painting them as 2nd 5050 and even korea would hate them

korea was already swearing at them before press con and eating up hybe's 5050 articles

how many articles had these kind of headlines...and alleged industry official commenting that hybe was preventing second 5050. they really wanted to bury their image

[lucid yarrow]

ppl who read first few rumour not going go back double check stuff some ppl are too busy with life

[upper solstice]

this cb will hit different knowing it’s the last

https://tenor.com/view/glorij-salute-mvga-gif-20596020

[dry atlas]

sold out farewell show

[snow turtle]

yall negative af

[half knot]

frankly going out with a bang (not like that) will be better than fizzling out rotting in HYBE's dungeon as HYBE pushes ILLIT And LSF and keeps NJ without music or comebacks for half a decade.

assuming those were the only two options of course

[dry atlas]

joint dungeon content with fromis

[half knot]

not to be negative, but I don't think fromis will be around at HYBE by the end of 2025 anyway

[upper solstice]

theyre going to scrap byjeans scrap podcasts scrap phoning altogether

[half knot]

the idol school contract was for 5 years, which is when gyuri left since she didn't re-sign with PLEDIS after the transfer from OTR.

[dry atlas]

see you in weverse where anyone can leave comments

[half knot]

and we don't know how long the other fromis members signed with PLEDIS, but 3 years was the standard renewal contract I guess 😦

[upper solstice]

rip fake

[half knot]

yeah I assume they'll try to erase as much of the unique NJ identity separate from other HYBE groups as possible. anything that even leaves a remnant of MHJ's touch.

[upper solstice]

will u guys still follow bsh-washed newjeans

[lucid yarrow]

nj member still there

[dry atlas]

depends on the music

[snow turtle]

no but that wont happen so we good

[grim shell]

1.6 yrs is enough to clone njs members

[upper solstice]

im a ride or die fr even if the music is ass ill listen on low volume

[half knot]

south korea does have very good plastic surgery lol

HYBE already acting like villains, what's a little cloning to go along with that

[dry atlas]

i still dont understand how 1 and a half years became 1.6

twitter can't math

[half knot]

lol people read "one year and six months" which is how the korean said it, and they went 1.6 lol

I've even seen 1.7 a lot for some reason.

[upper solstice]

im waiting for 1.8

[lucid yarrow]

2years

[half knot]

realistically it'll be more like 2 years, given it takes 3-6 months to prep an album after finding a producer.

[upper solstice]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grammy_Award_for_Producer_of_the_Year,_Non-Classical

fuck it bring in pharrell

[opaque torrent]

The online kpopstans are not general kpop fans tho

Ppl are much more unhinged and vocal online

[dry atlas]

finneas

bang will make his billie eilish dreams come true

[shy schooner]

May be the end of Phoning too

[snow turtle]

Yeah rip everything we knew and loved

[upper solstice]

No more vlogs

[snow turtle]

No more "Hii we are NewJeaans"

[lucid yarrow]

how nj grab a camera/phone vlog minji drive around the world to visit all beaches with member that take 2years not

[old cypress]

lol the doomposting

[sterile umbra]

there's two days left

two days left for bang sihyuk to confess

[waxen musk]

You guys are delving too deep into the despair pit lol.

[snow turtle]

mel and neet started, im still very positive

[quick wadi]

finix why are you in this thread?

do you want your brain to explode ??

[snow turtle]

[quick wadi]

I’m putting you on timeout for your sanity

[snow turtle]

ive been doing a little shitposting, pls no punishment

[quick wadi]

it’s fine I am never serious everytime I’m in here

[waxen musk]

I'm weirdly positive today I'm going to still expect a horrible outcome but want to savour any moments the girls give us into the uncertain future as I'm sure there will still be something and I hope that they support each other to get through it and it will all be not the worst even if it's not ideal (being generous with the wording).

[dry atlas]

woe you just gave hybe a great idea

I'd eat that up

[snow turtle]

I would eat up everything as long as theres no radio silence

[quick wadi]

I’m going to work for MHJ in 1.5 years

[grim shell]

new app will be called hybedial

[sterile umbra]

how villain their world is 😦

[waxen musk]

Radio silence, not being able to tell if they're ok or not would be the real torture for us.

[snow turtle]

I would still be bp stan if they actually did something between comebacks but it was a complete black hole for 2 years

[sterile umbra]

i'll be supporting you

[quick wadi]

thanks

[waxen musk]

If they can show they can still at least have good times it will give me some hope that they can get through everything.

[quick wadi]

[lucid yarrow]

i hope they dont fire everyone in ador since they need staff for tokyo dome right?

[opaque torrent]

We couldn’t even wait till Friday to do this? 😂

[snow turtle]

Im positive MHJ will save the ship and we will at least get the full album + tour with everything as is

[lucid yarrow]

ok what happen after they stop the meeting what can hybe pull on them next after 31?

[old cypress]

who knows

[sterile umbra]

yes, they know it already

[lucid yarrow]

will they just let ador do stuff like nothing happen

[old cypress]

if hybe loses they might negotiate with mhj

[sterile umbra]

that might be the other reason for breach of contract if they didn't let mhj finish what has started, and will just randomly and easily kick someone? that'd be a red flag

hope that the audit will be favored to us

[lucid yarrow]

i mean some1 needs to get fire for all this bs or take the fall the vp

[old cypress]

it's hybe's internal audit so

[lucid yarrow]

the hybe pr team

[old cypress]

Park Jiwon might take the fall if shit goes wrong for hybe

but once again nobody knows what will happen

[sterile umbra]

bang si hyuk needs to get fired and their hybe ceo as well if that's the case, lmao

right, but let's not lose hope

[old cypress]

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/pharrell-williams-credited-composer-newjeans-164110993.html

oh that's actually for real, i thought it was a joke

[stone grotto]

i think it's a little misleading, they sampled a song he produced for a japanese artist

[sterile umbra]

what the

[old cypress]

it girl ?

oh no, a different song

[quick wadi]

I don’t think it’s misleading cause it says credited in the title already

[old cypress]

In a statement, ADOR explained that Williams “revisited his iconic ad-libs and bridge from the 2009 collaboration 'Back of My Mind' with Japanese singer Manami, which producer 250 has reinterpreted in a New Jack Swing style."

[sterile umbra]

that'd be good dance pop music

[old cypress]

i'm not a fan of the style but we'll see

[sterile umbra]

what's the difference in the happenings between May 17 and 31?

[stone grotto]

17th is MHJ's injunction hearing and the 31st is the shareholders meeting

[dry atlas]

if injunction isnt granted, she's gone

[silk skiff]

even if it's granted, how sure are we that mhj is gonna stay for good?

feel like hybe might try something else

[old cypress]

it's not over, it's just stalled for some time

so yeah they will try something else

there's probably a lot of stuff going behind the scenes, we're not having the full picture

looks like today is a holiday in korea

buddha's haerin's birthday

[twin cypress]

if she is gone if the injuction isnt granted then why are they holding a meeting on the 31st

[serene cloud]

They still have to hold the meeting officially

They have to vote and stuff

[lucid yarrow]

bombshell will be they dont vote her out

[twin cypress]

so she isnt gone yet if the injuction doesnt happen?

[leaden igloo]

if the injunction doesn't get approved, she'll be voted out on the 31st if bsh gets his way

if the injunction is approved, there will be no shareholders meeting and things will back to business as usual (for a while)

[lucid yarrow]

come on 2years with mhj and all ador intact

[leaden igloo]

[twin cypress]

I think if the injunction is approved mhj should plan to release their debut album as soon as possible because it will break records and will prevent hybe, if they are able to remove mhj later, from forcing the hiatus on them/stealing the songs and giving it to other groups

[old cypress]

I just noticed that heya and supernova are both (co)produced by dem jointz, a grammy winning producer

[opaque torrent]

Has HYBE dropped today’s smear yet?

[old cypress]

it's a holiday

[opaque torrent]

You lied. I actually went to check

[old cypress]

it's buddha day

[timber shell]

ye actually holiday thing in korea

[opaque torrent]

Ahh better not pissed off buddha then, HYBE

[valid sierra]

https://fxtwitter.com/gaychako/status/1790468500383007069
fits the issue rn. literally "the one in front of the gun lives forever"

[neon kelp]

is this real?
https://youtu.be/sT2xTjbqMrc?si=Msz5EHn035FTBs3g

[arctic sky]

https://twitter.com/pannchoa/status/1790609914039046406

pannchoa (@pannchoa) on X

Hybe gets designated as the first entertainment conglomerate by the Fair Trade Commission which will potentially expose them to a rigorous national audit
https://t.co/BvVzeyC6G2

Twitter · May 15, 2024, 5:07 AM

what goes around comes around

[dry atlas]

Lmao

i saw the articles but didn't get to the audit part

*x https://x.com/forkimminji/status/1790040172081336820

[harsh dove]

@forkimminji <t:1715613809:d>

[dry atlas]

i didnt know the choreo copy went that deep

[heady gate]

They is why Ador choreo directors are not happy

[snow turtle]

this group is literally a 1:1 copy, its wild

[dry atlas]

stuck in week 1

lmaaaooo

[torn edge]

yet those ||illit's|| fandom account on x still denies all the facts above. it's not about the similarities, it's how you form the concept that are exactly the same as NJ

[upper solstice]

🍅

belift

[torn edge]

i mean who still believe in originality of music products nowadays? it's all recycled or trendsetter

[heady gate]

Illit choreo director had copy another choreo from different grp without given credit on YT. I will post that video on #kpop-chat

[torn edge]

not a minimum mention credit in the end of the mv? or something in personal, idk if there's one either

[heady gate]

When we viewers complained about the video, they add their credit on the description. Later, it was deleted again.

[hoary frost]

https://n.news.naver.com/article/008/0005038271?sid=101

[tiny peak]

i have to assume they hired competent professionals, so wonder if they were under unreasonable pressure from a certain egomaniac to produce results in a short time frame

[upper solstice]

?? maybe u should listen to more music

[acoustic valve]

#6SeasonsAndAMovie

lowkey feels like this

... except we're getting cancelled at season 2 and not 5...

[serene cloud]

what's this about

[hoary frost]

Exclusive]Hive, foreign securities firm Annal also requests FSS investigation "advice for taking over management rights"

[torn edge]

i do...

[acoustic valve]

all art is derivative and nothing is ever 100% original... but there's still a clear difference between blatantly copying someone and taking inspiration to create your own vision.

[steep torrent]

so funny seeing tmikpop post random news and not update the thread they made yesterday with the proof ador showed

[hoary frost]

https://x.com/137846865/status/1790584305519079783?s=46&t=lncf7vo09FEx5ZDvXg81LA

Haotian Tu (@137846865) on X

Hi everyone,

I’m a Chinese bunny and I would like introduce that C-bunnies are planning for trucks against HYBE to protect NEWJEANS. The trucks are projected to appear this Friday and the number of trucks is temporarily 3.

#NewJeans
#minji
#hanni
#danielle
#haerin
#hyein

Twitter · May 15, 2024, 3:25 AM