NJZ Updates and Discussion

[hoary frost]

[old cypress]

hybe will either fire or settle

[hoary frost]

all will be left for mhj is to fight for non compete clause to be annulled so she can start anew sooner than 2029 or whatever

[short laurel]

why would u even read what tmikpop says. he likes to add whatever he wants in between.

[hoary frost]

i have them blocked i swear

[old cypress]

nah if she's fired she will lose her shares so her non compete will expire next year but can't say for sure since we don't know if hybe has the right to buy all her shares or just 15%

[hoary frost]

is not 5% what chains her to hybe

[old cypress]

yeah but if the call option covers all her shares then hybe will take everything and mhj will be free

[hoary frost]

good for her

take newjeans too. thanks

[old cypress]

well not really, since she loses $70M of potential gains

and walks out with pretty much nothing

[dry atlas]

so 2025
❌ newjeans world tour
✅ 5050 newjeans edition

[short laurel]

https://twitter.com/MattchuBase1/status/1785154242728337844 i just saw this. army wouldn't admit that tmikpop is shit.

G (@MattchuBase1) on X

Riggghhht Tmikpop directly translates reliable articles why the hell would they translate fake news

Twitter · Apr 30, 2024, 3:48 AM

all qrt's and replies are soo annoying. calling his source fair

[old cypress]

tips to get a better life : don't read armies

[hoary frost]

as long as she is free, she can always restart. i bet she is already getting offers

poor newjeans. not only it will be hard for them emotionally, but god knows what hybe cooks for them. look forward to them touring until exhaustion

[short laurel]

going by text from parents. i think hyeins mom might want her out if hybe takes on ador's management.

[old cypress]

they can't get out

[hoary frost]

they can get out if i free them

[short laurel]

they can if they can pay the money. T_T

[acoustic valve]

I think a less discussed point is that if Hybe removes MHJ, and it does end up being considered unjust dismissal; it opens Hybe up to not only be sued for damages from MHJ, but also Hybe shareholders and Ador stakeholders, such as the members themselves... It will be interesting if Hybe thinks they have a strong enough case where it won't be an unjust dismissal... or if it's overconfidence that they can shrug off all secondary claims for damages

[hoary frost]

gofundme it is

[old cypress]

it's more than what they have

[short laurel]

we don't know that. we have zero knowledge about their family. wo knwos some are secretly super rich.

[old cypress]

that's kinda cope lol

[dry atlas]

it wasn't confirmed who the mom was on the chats were right

but i think it's hyein's mom too

[acoustic valve]

no, but tbh its prob hyein's

[hoary frost]

i saw ppl saying that NJ can sue for breach of trust if MHJ is dismissed. they cant win tho. wasting time on long legal battle and hybe will turn them into nothing and probably blacklist them even if they win

[short laurel]

given context it seems hyein;s

[hoary frost]

i stan hyeins mom

[short laurel]

hybe can try blacklisting them. they'll fail.

[hoary frost]

[dry atlas]

https://www.instagram.com/hyein_grace?igsh=MTJxanc1cTR3dHRkcg==

watch this space

[old cypress]

is that her mom's account?

[hoary frost]

yeah

[old cypress]

oh nice

[hoary frost]

i hope parents are on same wavelength in every decision they make

we cant let tvxq happen 😂

[short laurel]

what happened in tvxq case ?

[hoary frost]

they split up

2 remained in sm under tvxq name and 3 formed new group jyj

[old cypress]

also TVXQ had 13 year contracts and fans accused SM to enslave them, but it turned out of that it was the members parents who insisted for 13 years

[hoary frost]

13 years is indeed slave contract. even 7 is a lot

[old cypress]

yeah but the parents wanted the job security lol

[hoary frost]

they set themselves up

[mild mist]

"directly translates reliable articles"
-> notice that they don't say "accurately translates"

[hoary frost]

I also directly translate via papago

nj 2nd kr album this year will be basically scrapped

hybe will make them tour w 14 songs

[old cypress]

if newjeans remains popular, I don't think hybe can be sued for breach of trust

hybe just gonna say "look we're still making as much money as ever, we didn't harm ADOR by firing mhj"

would be ironic if hybe brought back random photocards in a bid to keep album sales higher

[hoary frost]

they will lol that and touring is how they gonna make money

[short laurel]

they will make money but girls will be exhausted. it won't be what makes nj nj anymore.

[hoary frost]

i was checking articles and lol at this park jiwon uplifting article: https://n.news.naver.com/article/008/0005036854?sid=105

[fierce cloak]

it's new too

[acoustic valve]

major cope

[fierce cloak]

lol he has no shame
people arent stupid

[hoary frost]

its funny

summary: nexon did great under him, that controversial game was not his fault, he is doing great at hybe

[fierce cloak]

too coward to have a presscon 🧢

[acoustic valve]

Gaming companies obtained growth primarily due to structural changes in the market and consumer base at large, the companies themselves have consistently failed, especially in finding sustainable growth, the korean gaming industry doing worst than most, and nexon the worst offender amongst them. Of course, if you're purely a market speculator and only care about numbers as far as two quarters out... none of this matters and ig the numbers are going up, but it's stupid and short-minded, just like hybe rn.

[short laurel]

the fact that gaming industry structure is being put in idol industry shows it's doomed to fail. especially when the gaming industry structure already showed failure.

when companies only care about numbers and ignore everything else. it's a dying company.

[fierce cloak]

oh hybe deffo will fail, just matter of when. Which i think until bts not renew contract and other major groups like svt also leaving

[lethal hound]

https://m.koreaherald.com/amp/view.php?ud=20240508050618

[fierce cloak]

yeah same goes with over controlling management too

[opaque torrent]

Is this North Korea? We see what they’re doing

[short laurel]

“I believe Hybe has more evidence that has not yet been made public.”
this point i highly doubt cuzz of the way hybe tried so hard to win public opinion. even going after things that are not related. and trying to spread "this is illegal" when it's not. it's too much sus. makes it hard to believe that hybe has any evidence at all.

[dry atlas]

rip

i reread it nvm..

[short laurel]

just cuz it's a statement made through major law firm doesn't mean it's right.

[lethal hound]

Yeah im curious too on what they have as evidence right?

[lethal hound]

Yeah its just speculation

[opaque torrent]

Yo what happened to the guy who was an ex HYBE employee that downloaded all their data? lol did they just make up a person to mediaplay?

This article has a very different tone than the ones from two weeks ago. It’s like they changed course just as legal opinions were pointing out the KKT and talk about hostile M&A don’t meet the threshold of “breach of trust”

[lethal hound]

Which article said that hostile m&a is not breach of trust?

It definitely does thats the whole angle for hybe firing mhj

[opaque torrent]

Lee Hyeon-gon, former family court judge and CEO of Saeol Law Firm (29th class of the Judicial Research and Training Institute), said on his Facebook page on the 26th, “First of all, I do not understand whether Hive’s claims meet the legal requirements for breach of trust,” and “Usurpation of management rights is not legal.” He posted, “This is a meaningless claim.”

Attorney Lee criticized, **“Legally, Adore’s manager is CEO Min,” and “To put it bluntly, it was an attempt to make Adore’s management independent, but I don’t understand the logic of why that would be a breach of trust.”

He went on to point out, “Hostile M&A is also done legally, and even if CEO Min tried to increase the stock stake by bringing in external investors, wouldn’t the company suffer losses regardless of whether it was implemented or not?”**

https://n.news.naver.com/article/277/0005411420

maybe something is lost in translation

this article surmised that they're trying to get her on leaking contracts https://kwnews.co.kr/page/view/2024042811300314073

im guessing bc hostile M&A would still require hybe's approval and hybe would never give it so 1) it's legal and 2) needs hybe approval

[opaque torrent]

“It appears that Min is doing everything legally possible to delay her dismissal as long as possible, so people would think she is doing her best as a CEO.

fuck this guy

NJ wouldn't exist if it weren't for her.

[hoary frost]

what a dumb statement

[valid sierra]

i think major shareholders are smart enough to know that mhj is a vital person for ADOR, but im not sure about them going against bang pd

[short laurel]

the fact he said "it is unlikely that the accusation was made based on mere speculation as it was made through the major law firm Kim & Chang" really makes me question if they are "entertainment law expert". just cuz they are major law firm doesn't mean they are right

[short laurel]

bang is the major shareholder with 31% shares. 50% is public so no right to vote. remaining 20ish % can't win against bang.

[opaque torrent]

we have to be prepared for there being actual evidence, but yes that is a dumb reason to trust something at face value. mhj's attorneys are sejong and i too can argue that sejong wouldn't insist there isn't proof if there is proof.

i am not someone who throws around 'they're sexist' lightly just bc they're attacking a woman bc a lot of women deserve criticism but god have the majority of her critics been misogynistic pigs

[short laurel]

oo yea it applies since it's korea. they(rich old pigs) hate women in high position.

[bronze jetty]

too lazy to find the koreaboo article but i keep seeing it on my twitter timeline… it must be mediaplay

[short laurel]

c what ?

[urban orbit]

about what? lol

[opaque torrent]

three weeks ago, hybe's claim was that it was a breach of trust bc mhj had plans to seize management rights. the other day, mhj forced hybe's hand to reveal that they're trying to force an embezzlement narrative. it seems like to me they don't have enough evidence for usurpation of management rights and are trying to charge her with something else.

[short laurel]

yea that's what everyone here thinks too.

[bronze jetty]

https://vxtwitter.com/koreaboo/status/1789411424697254105?s=46

[urban orbit]

ah i see

[opaque torrent]

yeah we've seen that

[short laurel]

their super hard mediaplay and that creepy audit would be unnecessary if they had actual evidence.

everyone except intl hybe stans shares this idea.

[fierce cloak]

oh right about the cult issue, everyone said that MHJ went straight to CBS radio the day after presscon coz it's a christian broadcast, and so far only CBS report about dahn world directly, all other broadcasts ignore it. So there deffo bizzare level

[opaque torrent]

“We will not speak publicly of what we are preparing at the moment, but we do have more evidence to prove Min’s misdeeds. It will all be revealed soon,” a Hybe official said last week.

last week. the audit is still ongoing despite claiming to have submit strong evidence to the police end of april. 🤔

[dry atlas]

*ig https://www.instagram.com/reel/C60ikOILSis/?igsh=MXcyZGQzZWxzOHExOA==

[harsh dove]

@thisbabyslay

[dry atlas]

wth it's a vid

[opaque torrent]

damn it goes hard

ok girl

its one thing to say you've seen hybe promoting nj but its a straight up lie to say hybe promoted nj the most lol

[copper jetty]

HYBE groups who didn't get any promotions??

Is there any unpromoted HYBE group other than NJ??

Oh I forgot V

[opaque torrent]

they see ador knowing how to maximize its limited funds and credit hybe

[short laurel]

not the yare yare song

[short laurel]

i need link. i gotta give a talk to this person

[opaque torrent]

the comments from the ig slay

[short laurel]

shh i not have any ig for fanwar

[copper jetty]

Don't bother. Let's just focus on the cb

I just hope many people would stream and buy the albums.

But at the same time I hate that I'm giving money to HYBE

[short laurel]

i get peopel falling for mistranslation or just want to argue for their fav or whatever. but to straight up lie. and about promotion which we clearly nvr saw from hybe.

[hoary frost]

no hybe group is unpromoted. if anything, they're shoved in everyone's throats

[arctic sky]

I was about to share this LOL

[hoary frost]

except Fromis ofc.

[hoary frost]

saw this earlier too. actually saw a lot of parody videos

[copper jetty]

Yeah ik. I was playing my NJ Playlist the other day I forgot my Spotify was on smart shuffle. I got shookt when magnetic started playing out of the blue

[arctic sky]

talking abt fromis ,this just in

[hoary frost]

I mean thats what labels are for. they promote except fromis

[arctic sky]

https://twitter.com/PromisePollen/status/1789634675646062832

Folt⚡ (@PromisePollen) on X

Your artist wants to sing but why don't you give them chance and opportunities to sing @HYBEOFFICIALtwt @pledisnews
Why should my idol beg and cry like this?????

Twitter · May 12, 2024, 12:32 PM

[copper jetty]

Which is sad tbh.

But they're in the Philippines rn I think???

[hoary frost]

i saw they have some festivals lined up. weird that they have no cb

[arctic sky]

Apparently habbang cried during their weverse live and flovers are raging rn

[hoary frost]

which one is habbang idk them well

[arctic sky]

hayoung

[copper jetty]

Idk them either aside from their group name

[short laurel]

yea i saw that. we discused about it here

[hoary frost]

ohh okay. tbh even nuguest groups manage to 2-3 comebacks per year even if it is just single album or digital single. it is just weird atp

[copper jetty]

HYBE/pledis just wants them locked cause their last cb I think wasn't profitable. It's just sad.

[short laurel]

hybe definition of good profit is waaay tooo high. much higher than it should be

[copper jetty]

Tbh I think their profit standard is very high because of bts

[mild mist]

"paying for their ad"
https://kpop.daisuki.com.br/en/all-organic_artists.html

[mild mist]

But will that mean anything in court?

[short laurel]

i m surprise Red velvet isn't there. their last cb was so good and no ads. (other than fan brought ones)

ooh it's ranking ok make sense

[hoary frost]

did anyone see bbg "plagiarism" issue? tbh i saw ppl forcing it in naver finance discussion room. that place is incel gathering so they lowkey hate nj bc of stocks. i first saw it there and when i checked, i knew it was forced. then a reporter made article and deleted after some time. knetz later dug their articles as well: https://theqoo.net/hot/3227264673?filter_mode=normal

[copper jetty]

HYBE being flip floppity is definitely suspicious. Also I think we need to study most army's psych. The way they do mental gymnastics to defend HYBE is weird.

[mild mist]

Switch to NOV by artist and you'll see

[copper jetty]

Bbg plagiarism? Haven't seen it.

[hoary frost]

was trending on theqoo, but was debunked

[opaque torrent]

https://youtu.be/NRPfiAkk0YQ?si=KRX0jeGNZUCBX7Ve

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dvc_nlVrx4I its a common sample

[hoary frost]

yeah

[short laurel]

it's weird to me. like it's hybe that's harming the stocks. if anyone it's mhj that could help them increase their stocks value. it's cuz of hybe's nonsense that thhere was mass sell of kpop industry stocks mass sold few eeks ago.

[hoary frost]

hybe reputation is taking a hit so they are bitter

[opaque torrent]

Thank you for making this video. This person knows a bit about music. Even bubblegum. The chord progression is also different. It's a major key and a major progression, and if you look at that reference channel. It reminds me of Lee Young-don, an old Good Restaurant. He sometimes pointed out that it was true, but without knowing anything, he broadcasted it to make it look like the bread had cooking oil in it, making it look like it was bad bread, causing all the Daewang Castella shops to go out of business. Normally, if you want to criticize the oil in the bread, you have to carefully research it, but this is a case where a person without basic cultural knowledge edits out only the parts that look exactly similar and plays them, making it sound like plagiarism, which is absurd, even. The speed music video that New Jeans copied. If you look at other speed songs, you can see that they were filmed as part of Bohemian Rhapsody.

whoa the last part about speed?

[hoary frost]

what does that mean

Speed JP group right

[short laurel]

idk about all this. but at the very least. unlike hybe, nj song at parts sounds similar to much older songs. while hybe's songs sounds similar to much modern recent songs.

[hoary frost]

i can barely hear similarity to nj songs and older songs

[opaque torrent]

yeah the body&soul video attention apparently referenced

what is this about bohemian rhapsody tho? bad translation?

[hoary frost]

thats what im asking

tbh only similar scene is stadium. the pics people piece together is reach but stan twitter doing its thing

[short laurel]

well twitter stans will make everything song similar to other song. reading the comments on youtube. people are showing they clearly didn't understand what mhj was sayign when she talked about plagiarism.

[hoary frost]

yeah. just the fact that they used jp artist copying bernice and made viral tweets about it saying nj was the one copied it says a lot about their intelligence and whatever.

just saying whatever atp 🥱

[short laurel]

nj stans aren't smart either. they were attacking every music with y2k style as them copying nj. even videos older than nj debut

[copper jetty]

Yeah. Now they're attacking illit about the copying of YT credits thing.

[hoary frost]

[opaque torrent]

its why i avoid stan twitter. if you entertain misery, you become miserable too

ive seen tokki twitter complain about ador not buying ads and promoting (overworking) nj enough on music shows too

now they get to brag that nj never bought ads and get enough rest/family time

[hoary frost]

people are just never satisfied. you truly cant please everyone.

[hoary frost]

lmfaoo real. tbh buying youtube ads is so useless. it only helps with music show scores

yt streams plummeting every year. it is not what it used to be

[copper jetty]

YT music is booming though. In Asia at least

[hoary frost]

Imo it is not growing, but it is still relevant in Asia and Latam

[opaque torrent]

when ditto was out and nj was performing at every music award show, a lot of tokkis on twitter were bitching about the lack of variety lol they rly want to see some old fashion idols collapsing on stage

[hoary frost]

but Spotify took over for music streaming

[hoary frost]

people do not take schedule into consideration. I know that they want NJ to maximize exposure but these promos are physically or mentally taxing. ador also said that they would improve promos every comeback and offer something new. fans need to realize that there is no rush and NJ will do things at their own pace

I think it is not good to exhaust public with too much exposure. one step at a time is nice too.

[copper jetty]

And now I feel sad because even the company Ador might change hands.

[hoary frost]

nj will do every single music show and variety

show champion, mcountdown, inkigayo, music bank, music core, the show

[short laurel]

major reason for this is ad blocker is super easy to install. while spotify and other just increased ads especially more restriction to shuffling in spotify

[hoary frost]

premium got no ads and shuffling

[copper jetty]

Unless you turn on smart shuffle which is according to your algorithms mostly

[short laurel]

do u really think people would pay for that when it's free alternative is avaliable and easy to access?

[copper jetty]

Yeah. Especially no ads.

[hoary frost]

I pay

[copper jetty]

Me too

[short laurel]

me not.

[hoary frost]

its just comfortable to use. I don't use YT much

[copper jetty]

What I like about Spotify though is the smart shuffle. It recommends me songs that I could possibly like.

[hoary frost]

I will activate YT music for NJ comeback tho

[short laurel]

i not have hardware to listen to lossless music so i have zero reason to pay.

ooh and spotify not have lossless music anyways. so yt music it is

[copper jetty]

I only use YT for videos and not music. What's the difference between YT and YT music?

[hoary frost]

one is audios

[copper jetty]

Is it a separate app?

[short laurel]

yt music includes all the music with mv's.

[rain spade]

off topic ?

[short laurel]

u can listen to yt music with yt app too. they'll jsut show up as video but video will be just logo + added bonus of yt music. all of youtube content in audio format. which included tons of music not on spotify yet since easier to upload on yt. kinda like sound cloud ig

[hoary frost]

right

[copper jetty]

Right sorry

[rain spade]

[opaque torrent]

ditto this point!

https://tenor.com/view/newjeans-nwjns-njs-gif-27277033

[rain spade]

I feel like I killed the mood

[short laurel]

like bts winning every award show + 1 hour performance bts every award show. while other barely get 1 song

their music is nice but it got so annoying seeing same group again and again

[mild mist]

Exactly, so we should just focus on making Kang Haerin happy

[sterile umbra]

4real

[opaque torrent]

ah so the real issue with this is the author of the plagiarism article has been seemingly been smearing mhj in their previous articles, thus doing hybe's bidding, in this whole feud. it adds a new layer of sadism the whole ordeal bc now hybe is attacking its own artists. they could've taken it down bc the plagarism claim is unsubstantiated, but perhaps bc hybe told them to bc ppl would make the connection and worsen their losing PR battle

https://pannative.blogspot.com/2024/05/new-jeans-plagiarism-controversy.html

https://pannative.blogspot.com/2024/05/to-those-who-dont-know-what-sampling-is.html

[hoary frost]

they tried. A+ effort

[old cypress]

lol another dumb controversy

[short laurel]

wouldn't this actually harm ador's value ?

[opaque torrent]

if it did, we cannot produce evidence that this reporter is on hybe's payroll

im sure they've covered their tracks... maybe that's why kim&chang was hired - to avoid libel suits 🥴

[short laurel]

imagine being such a lowly person that they have to go after a song that's not even released yet.

[shut kelp]

they'll be surprised that almost all the songs in kpop sound similar to other songs

that one hybe gg released two songs that were similar to tyla and doja cat

[short laurel]

not jsut kpop but all the music in the world

[shut kelp]

yea i agree

[short laurel]

also according to people the song nj sampled in bubblegum already has like 30+ songs that sampled it. and something something legal stuff and so not need to be credited.

but idk. atleast nj song sampled older song. while lsfm one was fairly recent song ?

[shut kelp]

also didnt mhj say she buys the instrumental?

[short laurel]

well that's normal everyone have to buy instrumental from others if they can't make one

[shut kelp]

i remember reading this somewhere from an interview or maybe it was mistranslated?

[tiny peak]

i don't see any sampling at all? this is not a unique melody in music at all either

it's not even the same key

[short laurel]

idk. i have no knowledge of these stuff. i'm saying what i am reading. but someone have to have made the original melody 1st. and when others use it wouldn't that be sampling ?

[tiny peak]

if this ever went to court this would 100% not be considered sampling or interpolation

[short laurel]

there's nothing there for it to go to court anyways

but what would be call it then? since it's very similar to untrained ears.

[tiny peak]

i'll have to figure out what they are claiming, at first listen they did not take the original recording/instrumental and use it in the NJ record, which is the traditional definition of sampling

[opaque torrent]

The comment I pasted earlier said it’s not the same bc the chord progression is different. But that melody from the OG song can be sampled by any artist bc the original artist has made it available to purchase too.

[tiny peak]

right I'm trying to figure out what they are claiming? they used a very simple melody in both songs, but the song progression is completely different

there is no sampling of the original instrumental, and this would not qualify as an interpolation at all

HYBE media play and HYBE fans are going to drive me insane, this is what we're going to have to deal with

[mild mist]

It's sampling if you reuse the recording. Reusing the melody but re-recording is interpolation

[grim shell]

New Ador CEO speculation

1. Male
2. Dahn World member

[tiny peak]

NJ music does often contain inspirations from older genres and songs, which I absolutely love and acknowledge, so it just baffles me why people are focusing on this one bar melody of all things

[opaque torrent]

what if its lee soo man

nj are moving to dahnya

[tiny peak]

LOL ... LSM did produce two Loona albums after the company let go of their original creative director, so ....

[copper jetty]

Can you imagine if Bang PD kkt LSM? Being his, what did tikki translate it to?? Fan

Oh it was successful fan

[short laurel]

Tbh lsm still better than any bsh's men.

[copper jetty]

Honestly, I don't know much about him. I also don't know much about SM groups, I've listened to snsd, shinee, exo and aespa but that's just it. How was LSM in SM?

Wait I think this is off topic now lol. Sorry

[velvet wyvern]

When do we find out if HYBE can fire MHJ??

[hoary frost]

yeah I found an interview with MHJ where she says that too

[velvet wyvern]

When do we find out if HYBE can fire MHJ??

[hoary frost]

not sure if this interview from 2 years ago has been posted here yet, but damn..
https://magazine.beattitude.kr/essay/artistproject-minheejin-part2-eng/

[acoustic valve]

reading that rly makes me sad

[opaque torrent]

17th

[acoustic valve]

LSM by all accounts is a charismatic and personable leader, his main faults is his stubbornness regarding SM's creative direction and being particularly selfish and shady when it comes to money, evidenced by his history of financial crimes. A different kind of beast to BSH, and honestly probably far preferable knowing what we now know about BSH

[opaque torrent]

Just give BSH time for the financial crimes to debut

[copper jetty]

I'm hoping for the injunction to be approved.

[acoustic valve]

Well, I guess LSM also has his vindictive side like BSH, most of these powerful men probably do... but I feel like we haven't really witnessed it act up in almost two decades. BSH is full-swing in his petty and vindictive arc

[velvet wyvern]

What’s the probability that the injunction gets approved ??

[copper jetty]

Yeah HYBE is in their mafia era lol

[serene cloud]

it didn't seem like mhj had beef with lsm when she left sm, she was just probably burned out creatively

[copper jetty]

Not as petty as BSH I guess.

Also, I haven't really heard stories about him (LSM) being petty or vindictive.

[acoustic valve]

I'm just speculating, but I feel like he probably was kinda similar in his youth, but he's proven himself, he doesn't have an inferiority complex like BSH and feel the need to trample over people to inflate his own ego....

[hoary frost]

right? and after reading the article, I can see that she really put 10000% into everything she does. So having her work just blatantly copied away right infront of her eyes must've been so incredibly dehumanizing

[short laurel]

Make sense that both are friends 💀

[acoustic valve]

Not to mention she's demonized and misunderstood 100x of whatever it was before, because iroaches are fcking insane

[acoustic valve]

Just going from MHJ's many talks about SM and LSM... they had plenty of professional and creative disagreements just like she does in Hybe. The main difference I guess is there was simultaneously mutual respect and appreciation, something that clearly doesn't exist within Hybe for her

[short laurel]

Lsm unlike bsh made an actual family with sm's 1st n 2nd gen groups

We've seen many times how close artists are with him. Ofc there been bad stuff too. But atleast it was not fake like hybe

[velvet wyvern]

What’s the probability that the injunction gets approved ????

[acoustic valve]

13.74%

[short laurel]

No idea depends on police investigation. Can't calculate

[velvet wyvern]

You’re a liar & a hater

[short laurel]

Knowing what she talking about makes me cry. No one deserves that kind of hate.

[short laurel]

13.74% is quite generous. I was gonna say 0.001%

[hoary frost]

to think that 2 years ago people were trying to clear up the misinformation.. and now its just known as a 'fact'

[short laurel]

Mostly those i-roaches that made it like this.

[lucid yarrow]

does nj still have apple ad or is that over?and u think we never going see it again since hybe is pro samsung or they give to another group/artist for real

[short laurel]

I not like hybe but all this make me hate hybe soooo much. Art is already not well respected n they went so hard with their non sense n their stans non sense. Completely destroying image of an innocent person in international community.

[short laurel]

We'll know that when iPhone 16 comes out

[velvet wyvern]

Why so low??

[short laurel]

Cuz that's how bad laws are.

[velvet wyvern]

In Korea ?

[opaque torrent]

Very low

[velvet wyvern]

Is it bc HYBE owns 80%?

[opaque torrent]

Yeah

[velvet wyvern]

But that doesn’t matter right? Since the judge has the last word ?

[opaque torrent]

The judge will likely side with whatever is in the contract. It’s their job to interpret the terms of agreement between both parties

[velvet wyvern]

Do we know the contract or no?

[opaque torrent]

But likewise, in a related circumstance, this is why HYBE has a high chance of having their “breach of trust” complaint dismissed. If their evidence does not meet the threshold of what the current law calls “breach of trust”

[opaque torrent]

No if we did someone would be in jail lol

[velvet wyvern]

Oh ok, so in reality HYBE will only win if the judge finds proof that a breach of trust was involved ?

[opaque torrent]

Not really she will still have to go but it will open the legal path for her to get paid $$$$ by HYBE (which is their whole goal right now, to steal from her)

[velvet wyvern]

But if there was no breach of trust why would she have to go??

[opaque torrent]

here

[velvet wyvern]

But she’s under a contract ?

[opaque torrent]

it would just be a wrongful dismissal and hybe will have to pay

[velvet wyvern]

Hmmm

[opaque torrent]

they're trying to avoid buying her stocks back at 13x operating profit

[velvet wyvern]

So HYBE is not only trying to dismiss her early but also not pay her that she should get paid ?

[opaque torrent]

yeah it seems the breach of trust is just pretense and its personal revenge. to damage her reputation along the way

[velvet wyvern]

I hope the judge has it in his heart to approve her request to stay

But even then that’s unlikely or likely ?

[opaque torrent]

we do too but you have to manage your expectations so you don't feel too upset when it doesnt happen

[hoary frost]

I have no expectations. currently worried how newjeans and parents will deal with the changes.

[short laurel]

It's so cruel. She'd be basically left with nothing if hybe gets their way.

[opaque torrent]

people have the audacity to say that hybe has been good to her and she betrayed them first

https://www.koreaboo.com/news/newjeans-bubblegum-plagiarism-sports-chosun-deleted-article-hybe-sabotage-allegation/ more detailed article. wow at koreaboo doing their due dilligence on this feud 🫠

[velvet wyvern]

Guys I have an idea !

We should all pray for MHJ to stay with NJ ! I feel like if we send positive vibes that can help the girls

[opaque torrent]

https://pannkpop.com/k-netizens-are-surprised-by-the-first-quarter-business-results-of-4-big-agencies/

[heady gate]

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/12/world/asia/newjeans-kpop-controversy-hybe.html

[opaque torrent]

The video had none of the hallmarks of K-pop. No catchy tune, no snazzy outfits, no slick dance routines. Definitely no stars. It was set in an unremarkable auditorium with plain white tables and a large projector screen.

But it included screenshots of chats between two power players in the industry and instantly became the talk of the K-pop world.

It was the live broadcast of a two-hour emotional tell-all delivered last month by Min Hee-Jin, the producer of NewJeans, arguably today’s hottest K-pop act. She had called a news conference to dispute accusations of corporate malfeasance by her employer, Hybe, the K-pop colossus behind BTS.

The unusually public and hostile feud — which has included allegations of plagiarism, chart rigging and shamanism — has led to hundreds of millions of dollars being wiped off Hybe’s market value. And it has cast a cloud over Hybe’s relationship with a rising star, NewJeans, while its biggest act, BTS, is on hiatus.

“It’s about money, it’s about control and also the ownership of an artist,” said Andrew Eungi Kim, referring to NewJeans. A professor at Korea University, Mr. Kim studies the country’s cultural influence, a phenomenon known as hallyu.

The members of BTS, who are all serving in South Korea’s military because of mandatory conscription, are not expected to reunite until next year. As some of them have released solo albums, NewJeans has racked up its share of accolades. In the past year it has topped the Billboard 200, played at Lollapalooza and appeared in commercials for Apple and Coca-Cola.

The creative force behind the act is Ms. Min, who was recruited by Hybe to develop a girl band. Her pushback against Hybe and its founder, Bang Si-hyuk, has resonated widely in South Korea, where corporate life can be punishingly hierarchal.

“She’s like a powerless visionary who is fighting against a giant corporation,” Mr. Kim said.

Started nearly two decades ago as a label called Big Hit, Hybe became the dominant force in K-pop thanks largely to the global success of BTS. It went public in 2020, and a year later, its market value peaked around $12 billion. Since then, its shares have lost about half of their value amid concerns that it would not be able to replicate the profitability of BTS.

Hybe has had success with other groups like Seventeen and Tomorrow X Together. It has also expanded in the United States with deals like the purchase of Ithaca Holdings, which manages Justin Bieber and Ariana Grande. In 2022, it released NewJeans’ first single, “Attention,” without the characteristic fanfare of K-pop debuts. The following year was Hybe’s most lucrative on record, with the company posting annual profit of about 186.6 billion Korean won, or $136 million.

One of the first public indications of the turmoil at Hybe came on April 22, when it announced that it was going to audit Ador, a subsidiary run by Ms. Min. It accused Ms. Min of illegally trying to take control of Ador and asked her to step down. Hybe owns 80 percent of Ador, Ms. Min has an 18 percent stake and the rest is owned by other executives. On April 25, Hybe filed a police complaint against her.

Ms. Min responded publicly the same day with a news conference. Dressed in a green T-shirt with white stripes and a Los Angeles Dodgers hat, she appeared disheveled and broke down several times. She rejected Hybe’s accusations and shared screenshots of chats with Mr. Bang, the firm’s founder, that she suggested were proof of a fraught work environment.

She also said that she had not been compensated fairly and accused Hybe of plagiarizing her work with NewJeans to improve other acts. Hybe has denied her allegations.

To Ms. Min, the dispute was a tug of war between creative and corporate interests.

“All I care about is NewJeans,” Ms. Min said in comments that were livestreamed by the major South Korean broadcasters.

Two days later, a new song by NewJeans, “Bubble Gum,” was released as scheduled.

In a written response to questions, Ms. Min said, “It is time to reconsider the nature of the entertainment industry.” For K-pop to keep prospering, she added, the industry needs to focus “fundamentally on creators and creation” instead of on money and management.

After Ms. Min’s appearance, rumors involving Hybe artists, chart-rigging and cults circulated the internet. To fans, this sullied the image of their favorite acts.

One group of BTS fans took out an advertisement in local newspapers, criticizing Hybe for airing its dirty laundry. Another protested outside Hybe’s offices.

Ian Liu, a NewJeans fan from Jakarta, Indonesia, had a similar sentiment. “The artists are collateral damage,” he said.

Hybe was also involved in a public feud last year, though that was with outside parties. It was a bidding war for SM Entertainment, another K-pop firm, that was won by Kakao, a South Korean technology giant.

The dispute with Ms. Lee, who is the chief executive of Ador, is headed to the courts.

“It’s hard to predict what will happen at this point,” said Lee Gyu Tag, a professor of cultural studies and anthropology at George Mason University’s Korea branch. “In the end, this issue between Hybe and Ador will be a learning opportunity for other agencies to learn how to effectively manage their companies.”

---

She also said that she had not been compensated fairly and accused Hybe of plagiarizing her work with NewJeans to improve other acts. Hybe has denied her allegations.

This part. correct me if I am wrong but Hybe never directly denied the plagiarism, right? It's been evading the allegation. Hybe said it sent Ador a response, but Ador refuted by asking them, what was the response? Daring them to deny it publicly.

*3. Regarding the internal whistleblowing and audit process

It is said that CEO Park Ji Won replied to ADOR’s internal whistleblowing email on April 22 at 10 a.m. At the same time, HYBE not only initiated an audit including seizing the vice president’s laptop but also sent a letter demanding Min’s resignation and calling for a general shareholders’ meeting. Just a few hours after, news articles were continuously published, announcing the sudden activation of the audit rights on ADOR’s management. The following day, articles continued as if it were a live broadcast with HYBE’s aggressive media activity.** We would like to ask HYBE. What was your response to Min’s internal whistleblowing email?***

the only response Hybe gave to the plagiarism allegations was using it in mediaplay to suggest that MHJ is planning to use the complaint as a springboard to seize management rights

[hoary frost]

fuck hybe

[old cypress]

Lol at the random tokki comment from indonesia, I didn't expect that

[tiny peak]

this articles seems to be framing it as retaliation, which I think is fair is a fair framing

[lethal hound]

Your right i dont think its lost in translation. interesting find though, I saw two other lawyers from other firms sayin hybe is the clear winner but this lawyer is sayin MHJ might be a winner

[lethal hound]

definitely she has a good resume from her past as well to back her up

[lethal hound]

Kim & Chang is a very known law firm in korea. They specialize in entertainment, corporate M&As, and etc. Kim& Chang law firm were involved in 5050 case (still do and ongoing) where they represented the record label AND SM entertainment vs Kakao case as well as many historical cases in kpop industry notiably TVXQ vs SM contract case (this was the case where kim&chang were able to prove SM gave TVXQ a slavery contract which impacted kpop contract standards in 2008)

[dry atlas]

https://sports.khan.co.kr/entertainment/sk_index.html?art_id=202405131027003&sec_id=540301&pt=nv

guys

NewJeans Parents Letter on ILLIT plagiarism and poor treatment by Bang sent to HYBE via ADOR
summary 1: https://isplus.com/article/view/isp202405130050
full text 2: https://isplus.com/article/view/isp202405130053

holy shit

bro where are the yappers when you need thme

[copper jetty]

Wait what?

[dry atlas]

two articles, idk about 1, but #2 is a bombshell

holy shit

[waxen musk]

Any information about how difficult the girls had it in the past really boils my blood. I already said how it sunk in how much fear I have for them with different management under Hybe, but this fear just keeps growing.

[copper jetty]

Wait did Ador leak this? Or did HYBE?

[dry atlas]

ador most probably

[waxen musk]

Why would Hybe leak it? If anything couldn't this technically be considered "Ador mediaplay"?

[dry atlas]

yeah

anything in the news is mediaplay

no one have reported on it too, but it's on theqoo hot category

[tiny peak]

HOLY SH*T

f*ck hybe forever

[heady gate]

Our NJ parents are neither politicians nor super wealthy. Could those parent letters effect the outcome of the current situation?

[tiny peak]

i actually think there is a plan brewing

[opaque torrent]

its very intentional... the market just opened over there ^^

[tiny peak]

was that article shared earlier NYTimes?

[opaque torrent]

this one?

[heady gate]

Yes, I shared that article here

[tiny peak]

because that was the first "real journalism" I've seen so far

[copper jetty]

Yeah. But I can't read the NY times article lol. Does anybody have that ss?

[tiny peak]

I have major hopium, but I'm thinking they are trying to mediaplay a different angle, that this is obvious retaliation and symptom of toxic corporate culture in Korea

[copper jetty]

I don't have subscription to NY times

[tiny peak]

they presented it in a way that's relatable to Western readers, and puts HYBE and Korean corporate culture in a negative (deserved) light

[copper jetty]

Oh my bad it was already laid out here

[tiny peak]

MHJ asked where is the journalism for the powerless and all Korean "journalism" failed her

well that's my biased take LOL

[copper jetty]

Is is not Korean curtesy to greet back when greeted??

[tiny peak]

yes it's 100% expected, though it is hierarchical

[copper jetty]

Yeah thats why i said my bad cause i saw it was already laid out.

[opaque torrent]

sorry hehe

[tiny peak]

all five names listed, we need to protect them at all costs

[opaque torrent]

i cant read anything on theqoo bc i am a non-member who cannot read comments made less than an hour ago 🥹

[dry atlas]

lmao same

there are 4 topics on top rn from this article

[opaque torrent]

more than 1000+ comments in less than an hr

[tiny peak]

i already know how pro HYBE are going to spin this, MHJ is egotiscal, forced them, brainwashed them, delusional

[copper jetty]

As usual though. Can we assume that Ador asked the parents for permission and also the members.

[opaque torrent]

they must be new armys who aren't aware or delusional armys who suffered from amnesia bc bts had their share of plagiarism and culture vulture scandals at debut. the same scandals le sserafim is also going through 😅

like just compare nj's rookie years with bang pd's groups

[dry atlas]

still no noise on x

[tiny peak]

people are going to call them "000" from now on huh 😭

[opaque torrent]

https://x.com/fhbfhbfhbfhb/status/1789838495537647864

👊🏻 (@fhbfhbfhbfhb) on X

이게 사람 새끼야? 아 진짜 개빡치고 개속상해 씨발 애들이 왜 이런 대접을 받아야 하는데요 이 어린 애들이 대체 뭘 잘못했다고 씨발 진짜

Twitter · May 13, 2024, 2:02 AM

https://twitter.com/Phamkuromi/status/1789840256604184655

Chericheri／(≧ x ≦)＼🍒🍀 Positive Tokkis no worries (@Phamkuromi) on X

NewJeans parents answered interview: “Every time NewJeans encountered Chairman Bang in company, he always pretended not to know the members and turned away from greeting them.”

WTF is this? BANG SHI HYUK YOU ARE THE GROWN ASS MAN, YOU ARE AN ADULT

https://t.co/YR5KGcO98x

Twitter · May 13, 2024, 2:09 AM

[tiny peak]

"can you step on aespa" ... "are you having fun" ... can't look these young girls in the eye

[opaque torrent]

https://x.com/iamnotdiary/status/1789841056831312323

not (@iamnotdiary) on X

방시혁 뉴진스 멤들 인사도 안받아주고 쌩까서 애들이 무안해서 엘리베이터 안에서 멍하니 서있고 자꾸 무시당한다는 느낌 받은 거 한두번 아니래... 이거 이때싶 카더라인줄 알았는데 진짜라니....... 야이시팔 지 딸뻘 중딩 인사를 씹냐 존나 찌질하잔아요 ㅠㅋㅋㅋ
https://t.co/Kqe0GgQPIX

Twitter · May 13, 2024, 2:12 AM

[tiny peak]

he's such a loser

[opaque torrent]

does anyone know how to navigate natepann? https://m.pann.nate.com/

https://www.instiz.net/name_enter/92131033?category=2&green=1

[tiny peak]

let's just imagine how these young girls felt, in this unsupportive, toxic environment

[opaque torrent]

me: i ignore drama and stan twitter

also me: links to all the knetz portals

[tawdry vessel]

are you having fun

[regal frigate]

That's low

[copper jetty]

It should get lower then. Hope it gets to 150

[ruby garden]

bsh is such a petty evil man

he's singlehandedly ruining kpop

[copper jetty]

@dry atlas its on x now

[ruby garden]

the entirety of hybe c-suite needs to be replaced

[copper jetty]

Just saw someone post it.

[opaque torrent]

https://x.com/cato_o_o/status/1789849293265735859

Cato_o_o (@cato_o_o) on X

Exclusive article form Ilgan sports

"Amidst sharp conflicts over management rights between HYBE and its subsidiary label ADOR, the catalyst for this situation, ADOR, obtained an email sent to HYBE containing the opinions of NewJeans parents."

According to an email sent by

1/

Twitter · May 13, 2024, 2:44 AM

[dry atlas]

ping me when there's a rebuttal

https://www.joynews24.com/view/1718937

[opaque torrent]

hey this playbook looks familiar

[upper solstice]

bsh u dirty man

[heady gate]

Funny. What does it do?

[opaque torrent]

bc pharell is a zionist

we shouldnt discuss that here tho

[tiny peak]

this is too much, help

[copper jetty]

Oh sorry.

[dry atlas]

yeah dont

if you boycott, just keep it to yourselves please

[copper jetty]

I'm not though.

[dry atlas]

yeah ill be supporting the girls

[tawdry vessel]

if i listen to supernatural, does it mean i support zionism? No. I dont get this at all.

[opaque torrent]

ok so hybe found a document with ador laying out their plans to win the public opinion war.... and then played into it?

[copper jetty]

Cause BSH and pjw is pabo

[opaque torrent]

🫠

[ruby garden]

non organized boycott doesn't work and isn't helpful

[dry atlas]

wdym

[torpid tinsel]

if this is their logic, does it mean we should also stop supporting hybe since they're working "directly" with a zionist

[heady gate]

Hybe found a document of Ador. Is it from the audit? or is it during the past 2 weeks?

[outer canopy]

Now this is pissing me off I just don't believe Hybe has newjeans's best interests at heart anymore, if BSH was petty enough not to greet them I wonder about now...

[opaque torrent]

during their audit, they leaked a bunch of shit, one of it was a document with public opinion war in may

[heady gate]

Thank you

[dry atlas]

oh i remember

[opaque torrent]

i think that was just ador staff fucking around, like their way of venting bc there's nothing they can do except wait for their contract expire

[ruby garden]

they don't. they created illit with overlapping concept and similarties to devalue NJ brand

[tiny peak]

he either ignores them going forward or treats them like prized possessions, I don't know which is worse

[opaque torrent]

but bc the stupid gamer men are so petty and fragile, they decided to sabotage a whole subsidiary and smear the CEO... and here we are today. isn't that kind of poetic?

an impossible plan that came true bc of egos

[heady gate]

Bang can't ignore NJ. NJ is the main cash cow of the company, until BTS reunion

[tiny peak]

oh but he can

[ruby garden]

the problem is he couldn't control nj like other groups

[outer canopy]

If they replace MHJ + the staff, they'll be thrown into an environment of hostility and I would hate that. Even worse would be if BSH tries to be involved with them because he thinks MHJ being out gives him a free pass. He's greedy after all.

[twin cypress]

i liked magnetic by illit but out of respect for newjeans i have not listened to that song since the audit happened

[ruby garden]

he wants control over the groups which is ironic because their subsidiary labels are supposed to be independent

[tiny peak]

i know I felt like they were a junior group

[outer canopy]

I really tried to be civil but I just can't lol this is so petty

[opaque torrent]

lol the irony

[tiny peak]

he's giving mini-dictator vibes at this point, I don't want the girls to put up with this shit

[outer canopy]

I try to avoid their content as well. I hate this because they haven't done anything wrong, but seeing them reminds me of everything that's going on

[opaque torrent]

none of those sound realistic but thanks to hybe one of them came true lol

[outer canopy]

Hopefully the public opinion does influence the case. It happens sometimes after all.

[twin cypress]

if this is how the parents feel imagine how the girls feels

[tiny peak]

right, the self sabotage is crazy

[outer canopy]

He's also ruining the chances of NJ and BTS interacting lol. I like both groups and now because of that well...I don't know if they'll ever interact again.

[ruby garden]

I wonder if bsh hatse bts v for working with mhj

[outer canopy]

MHJ also was apart of the creative direction of V's album lol if BSH wasn't so petty they could have had something nice going on between the two groups. Peace is better than war

[copper jetty]

Isn't that y v's fans said that his album wasn't promoted

[heady gate]

The entire story is, Bang as a Billionaire who want to take control of a GG in his company. MHJ doesn't like it and trying to counterstrike it. That is the whole story.

[outer canopy]

I don't know about hate but I know he was fuming

[opaque torrent]

TAEHYUNG IS MY BIAS FOR A REASON

[tiny peak]

he's mine now

[opaque torrent]

no we have children together anyway

[outer canopy]

And people on reddit will still say that it's better if Hybe wins...

[ruby garden]

bsh doesn't have children does he?

he has no one to inherit that company

[outer canopy]

I don't think he does 🤔 He has a lover though I think

[torpid tinsel]

[opaque torrent]

whos going to inherit ithaca holdings 1b usd debt?

[copper jetty]

Bts

[outer canopy]

me 🤑

[ruby garden]

they need to oust him like they did lsm

[outer canopy]

they'd never oust a nasty billionaire 🤓 if you're a billionaire you automatically have crazy plot armor

[copper jetty]

https://x.com/cato_o_o/status/1789856522681401413?t=etoTxwvKWr0dAvXE-sSgDg&s=33

Cato_o_o (@cato_o_o) on X

This is the translation of the letter sent to Min Hee Jin, CEO of ADOR from parents of NewJeans members on March 31st 2024, per Ilgan Sports (link in thread) asking to intervene in the plagiarism concern at HYBE as well as how the member are being treated.

Twitter · May 13, 2024, 3:13 AM

[ruby garden]

what does ithaca even do for hybe? didn't all of scooters artist leave him??

[copper jetty]

Yeah. Is Ariana the only artist left?

[opaque torrent]

https://variety.com/2023/music/news/ariana-grande-splits-from-scooter-braun-new-management-1235710172/

[tiny peak]

he might have gotten scammed, he doesn't seem very smart

[copper jetty]

F*ck

[opaque torrent]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/monicamercuri/2023/12/10/ariana-grande-has-new-management-after-parting-ways-with-scooter-braun/?sh=1028136d85d5

[copper jetty]

So.. No one is in Ithaca lol

[ruby garden]

didn't scooter also make bsh buy a hip hop label that has a lot of inactive artists?

i think i heard about it couple months ago

[upper solstice]

ima stop listening to illit

[copper jetty]

Yow cato posted NJ parents email

[tiny peak]

his downfall is inevitable, he's an idiot

[ruby garden]

https://variety.com/2023/music/global/hybe-america-quality-control-deal-1235517252/

[twin cypress]

W

[ruby garden]

Scooter might just be the key to bankrupt hybe

[opaque torrent]

whoa at the hiring? is that confirmed

i wish i went to law school. put my yapping to good use

[tiny peak]

yeah it was brought up even before this

[dry atlas]

Reminder: Issues about ILLIT concept copying/plagiarism can be discussed, but any negative remarks on the members will be given immediate ban. This goes for any other artists.

[tiny peak]

let me try to find exactly who, but it was confirmed

[ruby garden]

yeah like mhj said the members aren't the problem. It's the adults

[upper solstice]

i agree unfortunately anything bsh produced is getting the delete

[dry atlas]

i cant deny that i feel a bit of an ick when i hear their songs

the mediaplay got to me

[outer canopy]

Reddit is full of pro-hybers 😢

[opaque torrent]

i was rooting for the 5050 girls and the universe broke my heart. it's time to pay me back by giving mhj/nj this W

[tiny peak]

yeah reddit is a lost cause, it's infested, try not to worry about it

[opaque torrent]

oh and the universe still owes me for the harassment i received during kim garam's scandal too

[outer canopy]

reddit loves companies so bad

[heady gate]

Agree. All the artists just following orders. It is the upper management that caused the problem. Bang is the Illit album producer.

[dry atlas]

maybe you are the bad luck... lmao

[ruby garden]

reddit was also bullying this girl relentlessly. I've been disgusted since then

[outer canopy]

I'm a pretty lucky person so imma say that NJ is gonna be fine and happy in the long run!

[heady gate]

same as X

[outer canopy]

I wonder what the shareholders think though 🤔

[tiny peak]

that their CEO is an idiot, what did MHJ say ... "low IQ"

[opaque torrent]

its weird to me how they put mhj the same level as bang pd (evil) and not the same level as the artists when she is known for being an artist? is it bc she is rich? bts are also filthy rich... does it automatically make you exploitative and autocratic once you are properly compensated as an artist?

[outer canopy]

😶

[twin cypress]

its cause they see her as a pdf

[ruby garden]

the way armys ride bsh and hybe you would think bts members held significant shares in the company...

[copper jetty]

What does this first paragraph mean though??

[torpid tinsel]

they don't have shares like they should be more worried about that

[tiny peak]

needless to say, not greeting the girls on multiple occasions is a huge no-no in korean culture, it's indefensible, especially for a CEO

[opaque torrent]

that was something they made up when newjeans started charting. it isn't a real concern or one made in good faith

and yeah like i've said a million times. is bang pd not? bts were all underage when he made lifting their shirts part of their choreo and dated someone who can be his daughter

[outer canopy]

At the end of the day she treats the members well and they have a good working environment thanks to her. I don't like MHJ all that much but I can see she cares for NJ and that BSH doesn't, it's enough for me.

[ruby garden]

yeah they literally built this empire and get exploited so much, I'm surprised they don't hold a lot of shares in the company

[dry atlas]

as mhj stated, the plagiarism damages nj brand

[opaque torrent]

it also hurts illit

[twin cypress]

yea its all slander and in bad faith because besides cookie there has not been anything that would say mhj is that

[grim shell]

does bsh want to disband njs?

[dry atlas]

that's opposite of maximizing nj talents and abilities so they're obligated to take action

[opaque torrent]

before mhj they were known as the nj copycats. that isnt great.

[outer canopy]

they're getting hated on left and right. I feel bad for them

[opaque torrent]

both groups were needlessly bullied

[heady gate]

Hybe Corp has many labels. In fact, those labels are competing each other.

[opaque torrent]

threads that were like 'hybe is ruining music, they all sound the same' were going viral

[outer canopy]

They still manage to be smiley though! I hope they know it's not their fault and they have fans that support them

[opaque torrent]

and yeah mhj did actually mention that it hurts all the sublabels and their groups if bang kept encouraging it

hes a known plagiarist idk why he has shooters

[ruby garden]

The root of all problem in that company is bsh. He's a billionaire like bro just go live quitely somewhere

[heady gate]

They sound the same? really? I haven't explored other Hybe K-pop grp yet, except Le SSERAFIM.

[opaque torrent]

but also it wasn't like illit was debuting months apart from newjeans. their promotions were going to overlap

[outer canopy]

They're so nasty because they should've known MHJ couldn't sell her shares even if she wanted to so she was harmless, so they could've pushed this whole thing back for AFTER the comeback

[opaque torrent]

i disagree but it was a thread that was going viral

[shut kelp]

imagine u put in all that work and exceed all expectations just for the higher ups to not care for the hard work u put in thats just sad

[dry atlas]

it's in pannchoa

[outer canopy]

It's not that they sound exactly the same, but that no one would bat an eye if NJ had released those songs. And NJ's music is already pretty distinctive

[torpid tinsel]

💸 💰🪙💳💵💶💷💴

[opaque torrent]

but le sserafim has their own plagiarism controversies--on top of that they've had vocal controversies so it's just a pile on hate for all of their artists bc hybe doesn't see their idols as actual ppl but vehicles for music trends

[shut kelp]

the fact they said hi to bang and pretended he didnt know them is just evil

i honestly hope they find a way to get away from that man and stay with mhj

[opaque torrent]

i think even if mhj cannot reach a deal with hybe or is dismissed inevitably, she is laying the groundwork for the public to hold hybe accountable if newjeans is neglected

[heady gate]

We can talk all day in this channel. I think only the court can decide their fate.

[opaque torrent]

and pressure hybe to promote them properly

[heady gate]

I thought Ador does the promote, not Hybe.

[opaque torrent]

they do but adore is going to be no more soon if they keep going down this track.

[dry atlas]

interesting

[arctic sky]

https://twitter.com/kchartsmaster/status/1789855027491676606?t=x-S3Bs9w2pwMqZCkLxW5Yg

Kpop Charts (@kchartsmaster) on X

Ilgan Sports shares letter NewJeans’ parents sent to Bang Si Hyuk through Min Heejin:

— “Every time NewJeans members met president Bang Si hyuk at the company, we wondered why President Bang pretended not to know the members and ignored their greetings (…) it wasn’t just once…

Twitter · May 13, 2024, 3:07 AM

[outer canopy]

Tbh I just hope MHJ wins this and has it in her heart to go for reconciliation. Like she wins and then holds a public press conference claiming she wants to reconcile. This would make it hard for Hybe to mediaplay after that since the korean gp would see MHJ as a saint for even reconciling with Hybe. And Hybe won't be able to treat MHJ like a doormat after that. And NJ would still be able to use Hybe's funds and connections, and won't have to break their contracts and pay the penalty fees. Hybe and MHJ would still not get along but they'll at least tolerate each other.

[twin cypress]

even if mhj loses i think newjeans should fight for their freedom and try to reunite with her cause hybe is gonna try to disband the group. i will support them under any name and label

[copper jetty]

I think most bunnies would

[shut kelp]

i dont think they'll disband them but overwork them to the max

[copper jetty]

Like txt

[twin cypress]

i mean idk the ceo wont even look at them in their eyes when they said goodmorning

[shut kelp]

😭

i can imagine them all saying hi to him and he just ignoring them

[twin cypress]

also fromis exists

[shut kelp]

arent they going to disband them?

[tiny peak]

pledis and HYBE are doing damage control, I think they released a statement about Fromis

[twin cypress]

idk but thats my point that they dont care bout the groups

[tired ingot]

what happen guys? I don't install twitter

[tiny peak]

everything is "fine" and on track for fromis! nothing to worry about https://m.entertain.naver.com/article/437/0000392317

[serene cloud]

I think mhj is putting out the letter to make sure the cb happens, it's Harder to postpone or shelve things with this out now - if things get postponed, people will be able to point to this and say it's retaliation

[twin cypress]

unless bang made them they are at risk of mistreatment and disbandment

[serene cloud]

So it's a bit of 5d chess play here bc any move now will be seen as mistreatment by the public

[dry atlas]

i just saw a post how illit is copying ditto uniforms

[heady gate]

We can speculate all the possible outcomes. Time will tell the true.

[dry atlas]

at some point these kinds of posts hurt nj case

some are too petty

[outer canopy]

At the end of the day capitalism always wins. I don't think they will disband NJ, but we might not get awesome collabs like the powerpuff girls anymore and the girls probably won't be as happy anymore. And maybe more comebacks (not in a good way)

[serene cloud]

Yeah that one is starting to reach

[shut kelp]

i think its hurts stans (us) too it makes us look bad

[outer canopy]

some people are nitpicking 😭

[tiny peak]

it's distracting from the real complaint, that they followed the entire NJ debut blueprint as a whole

[dry atlas]

yeah the formula should be the main talking point

everything else is just muddying it

[shut kelp]

brands will prob reach out

[opaque torrent]

https://www.koreaboo.com/news/newjeans-parents-claim-bang-si-hyuk-purposely-ignore-newjeans-members/

[dry atlas]

and i know how bang ignoring them is the easy headline

but there's much bigger issues in the letter

[half knot]

amid all this, netmarble is offloading their shares of HYBE https://www.kedglobal.com/entertainment/newsView/ked202405100008

which is the second time in six months they've done that https://www.kedglobal.com/korean-stock-market/newsView/ked202311070004

[opaque torrent]

koreaboo is going to make 5 articles out of this one letter

[half knot]

these brands never did any collaboration with other kpop groups prior to this. so they'll follow where NJ goes

[twin cypress]

https://x.com/CakeDegg/status/1789865414698078685

Cake🍀 (@CakeDegg) on X

Parents found mocking content about NewJeans on a website. What's most unfortunately, all of this content was produced and edited by HYBE's internal production team, but it wasn't filtered out

Twitter · May 13, 2024, 3:49 AM

what does this say?

[opaque torrent]

is it the noodle incident?

[tiny peak]

kalguksu

[half knot]

^

[dry atlas]

idk what website, but i saw a tweet about illit yt content having kalguksu

it was released during minji's shit or shortly after

[tiny peak]

yeah, a reasonable request don't you think?

[shut kelp]

yikes

[opaque torrent]

https://www.pannchoa.com/2024/03/enter-talk-illit-kalguksu.html

[heady gate]

That maybe the reason why Hybe stock is down 2.99% now.

[copper jetty]

https://x.com/soyamoyas/status/1789826256109793497?t=-HWWC75llXmWqJbiqvs4Lw&s=33

bernice | 🫧🍀catnipz month (@soyamoyas) on X

Please report this account .

Sick of it this man has been spreading lies this whole time and now he has brought along this clout chasing band

Their song has been sampled 13 other times INCLUDING by daft punk

Evidence below.

Twitter · May 13, 2024, 1:13 AM

Who the hell is this guy??

[opaque torrent]

hybe really uses teenage girls for noise marketing.

[half knot]

Sean Lim is the one that makes those Soulite videos or whatever on YouTube right?

[copper jetty]

I don't know him or soulite

[dry atlas]

i just read cato's translation of the letter article

he removes some points

[copper jetty]

Which points did he remove?

[shut kelp]

didnt they buy the sample to the song LOL

[dry atlas]

a member almost giving up on debut

standing in the elevator while ignored

[copper jetty]

Lemme check again

[half knot]

yeah it's not the full letter

[dry atlas]

wait im dumb it was the trans for #1

[twin cypress]

wait until he realizes illit also sampled a song for their chorus to lucky girl syndrome

[half knot]

or maybe the two parts are making me confused

[dry atlas]

nvm twitter trans too messy

google translate 💯

[shut kelp]

u should tweet at him and see what he says

[arctic sky]

https://www.pannchoa.com/2024/05/enter-talk-illit-copying-ditto-uniform.html

[tiny peak]

neither of those songs sampled, huge reaches in my opinion

[arctic sky]

this has gone too far smh

[dry atlas]

that's a reach

let's avoid going down that path

[half knot]

Okay tin foil hats on for a moment

[short laurel]

Doesn't change the fact that being top law firm doesn't mean they are right. If everything goes fairly they can win or loss depending on cases. I m saying this cuz alot if ppl are assuming "being higher ranking firm means they are right" which would just put questions on the justice system.

[half knot]

I think I kind of get what's going on here. remember we've talked multiple times about how Ador still has the right to terminate NJ contracts? And that will remain the case as long as this current board of directors is in power?

I think this is MHJ's plan or at least bluff from the beginning and we're seeing the signs of how it'll work now. With this letter revealed, she can terminate contracts with members by parents' request and mutually, totally legally, and wouldn't necessarily count as her gutting the company if both the board and the members and parents are on board with the plan. Most of these contracts have a mutual termination with no penalties clause.

This is her revealing a part of her threat to HYBE for the remaining ~20 days or so.

[heady gate]

Since the beginning of the incident, how do the girls working inside the Hybe building? Everyone would see them differently. They may feel embarrassed going to Hybe.

[half knot]

HYBE is a BIG building.

[dry atlas]

afaik there's like more than 19 floors

[tiny peak]

too bad there are still elevators apparently 😭

[dry atlas]

each floor a company

[upper solstice]

“Exactly the same” is a stretch

[dry atlas]

then common floors on top and underground

[upper solstice]

This sean lim guy is a clown

[opaque torrent]

y'all what if the geniuses at hybe leaked this letter, with the intention to make the parents look petty 😅

i know ador did , but what if!

[copper jetty]

With this ongoing thing, I doubt MHJ goes to HYBE anymore since the previous board meeting was done outside of HYBE.

Also the members might not be practicing in hybe. MhJ might've secured another location for them to practice.

[opaque torrent]

a hybe rep was interviewed about it first. like theres a chance hybe leaked it so they can say 'look at how absurd the parents/mhj are'

[arctic sky]

they are not taht smart

[copper jetty]

No. This really looks bad for hybe though and if they did, then theyre stupid af

[shut kelp]

im pretty sure they are still practicing at hybe

[opaque torrent]

remember how much backlash mhj received for her first press release bc she sounded like stan twitter? maybe hybe was trying to recapture that sentiment

[shut kelp]

in the minji birthday didnt they mention hybe buidling?

i might be wrong i just remember i think haerin mention hybe

[copper jetty]

They did but the room they were at didn't really look like one of the rooms that I've seen before

[shut kelp]

true

[twin cypress]

i think theyve stayed away from hybe during this whole process

[dry atlas]

minji bday live was in their practice room

[tired ingot]

i want to cry about newjeans parents said, there's a members almost giving up

[shut kelp]

also wasnt the new chorographer or something in the hybe elevator?

like theres a pic

[copper jetty]

Was it?? It looked different though.

I though it was a new room

[dry atlas]

just covered with balloons

the couch looked familiar

[tawdry vessel]

and also i saw this a while back but not sure if this was true

[shut kelp]

https://x.com/ADORBoysGlobal/status/1788260360895467844

does that look like one of the hybe elevators?

oh it is the hybe elevators

[opaque torrent]

lol they're just playing the same game HYBE has been playing. this email was leaked, they didn't file any injunctions

[copper jetty]

@mel i was reading cato_o
Was there one member during BSH and the elevator incident or was it the group? I'm confused

[opaque torrent]

it could've been hybe staff who leaked it to instigiate hybe stans and armys against 'stage parents'

[dry atlas]

member

[hoary frost]

i feel like thats hard to say they did it on purpose, but if they did that's fucking annoying.. i was so pissed when that happened

[tiny peak]

yeah it's hard to judge intent, but regardless they asked the production team to take that out (which was ignored)

[hoary frost]

qts...that fandom is so [redacted]

[opaque torrent]

https://www.soompi.com/article/1660942wpp/newjeans-members-parents-letter-speaking-out-against-hybe-revealed

[hoary frost]

I just woke up and damn...whats going on

[dry atlas]

hello navier

good morning

lmao

[copper jetty]

It's monday in s. Korea so all hell break loose

[hoary frost]

this was widespread rumor back then bc her mom used to follow mhj ador and liked pics of them, then suddenly she cleared it or stopped

[hoary frost]

let it burn all the way down

[hoary frost]

morning

[rain spade]

below 200k

[copper jetty]

Oohhh it's below 196 now

[hoary frost]

I think the parents asked after the video was published which is a difficult situation, but imo if newjeans were truly respected they should've deleted it and reuploaded// or edit that part out too

[half knot]

regardless of the relevance of stocks to this situation, it is still funny to see the crash since this began.

[hoary frost]

because they are scared parents will try to go out.

even if nj loses case and is left with debt, losing a group with such brand value is not what shareholders want

[heady gate]

It was Not on purpose. They had a lot of food to choice. Each time 2 meal display on screen, and they have to pick their favor.

[tiny peak]

it's a really insensitive thing to include though, they had to have been aware (again regardless of intent)

https://star.mbn.co.kr/view.php?year=2024&no=350450&refer=portal HYBE reply?

the parents or girls could easily deny or refute that letter if they wanted to? I'm not following what HYBE is trying to say, what am I missing

[short laurel]

Them getting disbanded is safer than being stuck under hybe.

[buoyant hamlet]

a hybe minion, his videos on youtube are MHJ hate videos

[half knot]

seriously this back and forth is so tiring

[dry atlas]

key point

[half knot]

lol, that's the line they're going to go with?

[opaque torrent]

see that makes me think hybe leaked it, so they can write this response and paint mhj as this machiavelli figure

[ruby garden]

That statement tells me they have nothing to say lol

[opaque torrent]

in a few minutues the parents are going to release a statement confirming they sent the email

[half knot]

lord help us all, this is going to get way messier

[opaque torrent]

why would anyone lie

[tiny peak]

didn't the letter itself say they (ADOR) was writing the letter on the parents behalf?

[short laurel]

Comments are funny "all hate going from not hybe stans but other stans"

[opaque torrent]

there are two letters. one originally from the parents and one from ador as the middle man

[fierce cloak]

i can see that both parents and mhj want to raise concern about plagiarism issues and parents permit mhj to do her job to protect NJ and creativity. The email obviously professionally drafted and may got lawyer helped them, so it's not like parents randomly request MHJ to trigger the fight 🤔

[tiny peak]

ah thank you

[hoary frost]

my only problem is that even if the parents complained about hybe/bsh to MHJ, i don't think she should have stated that in the letters.

[fierce cloak]

that makes sense

[dry atlas]

ador confirmed the earlier email

[hoary frost]

like she should know why he ignores the members.. writing an email doesn't make sense to me. wouldn't it only sour their relationship

[ruby garden]

knets saying if bsh greeted nj or sent any congratulatory message dispatch would have already written about it lol

[fierce cloak]

yeah i see the whole situation really about bsh/ hybe being insecure. Rather than deal with illit plagiarize NJ and address parents' concern, they set a witch hunt on mhj instead. Mhj spark the fight but after all it's BSH's insecurity that want to control everything, plagiarise NJ to create illit and hating MHJ/ NJ coz they are successful

[ruby garden]

it's amazing how dispatch has been so silent about this so far

[opaque torrent]

*Please respond to all the issues raised.

In addition, in order to communicate this content transparently in writing, parents have been included as references in this email, so please send your comments by replying to all.

Dear Heejin Min, CEO of Adore Co., Ltd.,*

https://isplus.com/article/view/isp202405130053

[serene cloud]

I think they are trying to force the parents to say something now

[fierce cloak]

coz they got paid by hybe

[opaque torrent]

i remember hybe leaking to the press that mhj did this. she cc'ed all the execs and the parents

[ruby garden]

yeah it's pretty clear now if it wasn't before

[opaque torrent]

why would she do that if she wrote the email?

[twin cypress]

Also if this wasn’t how the parents felt why wouldn’t they accept hybes calls 🤷‍♂️

[opaque torrent]

yeah this is hybe's mediaplay

[twin cypress]

The parents clearly don’t like hybe

[acoustic valve]

gd the yapping, i tried to read but gave up

[ruby garden]

hybe wants to frame this as another 5050 situation

[fierce cloak]

yeah i remember when mhj witch hunt started, Hybe did accuse her to manipulate NJ and parents to side with her and she blackmailed hybe not to attack them coz NJ comeback soon
But as the story unfold we realized MHJ is truthful and consistent the whole time and how much hybe/ bsh neglect NJ and damage them and it's parents want MHJ to represent too

[tiny peak]

it really questions any of their previous "facts"

[opaque torrent]

if i were the parents i would just say 'no comment'

they havent filed an injunction. its just a leaked complaint. they have nothing to be afraid of.

[serene cloud]

It might be best to lay low... hybe is trying to smoke them out to try to turn the tables

[opaque torrent]

or complain about the lack of privacy and blame it on hybe lol

[dry atlas]

https://fxtwitter.com/modani_st/status/1704072067594006854?t=Y64SN13AVD9rkrGXh8lqBA&s=19

[opaque torrent]

basically everyone was saying they lost the plot with the new embezzle accusations so now they're segueing back

[dry atlas]

bang ignored this sunflower

[short laurel]

I read the entire chat n i already forgot half of it.

That was so much yapping

[short laurel]

Not enough. It needs to fall harder

[tiny peak]

all the big companies are down. JYP is down 12.5% or something (insert 50centgif)

[half knot]

all major stock trading is done with algorithms that buy and sell automatically. when something is down in an industry, it drags everybody else down with it.

overall confidence in kpop industry and korean entertainment has been down for many months now

[fierce cloak]

i wonder that in case mhj/nj/ador win agaisnt hybe, what are possible outcome? Like live and co working peacefully as if nothing happen, or breaking contract and be free? Can the court force hybe to sell some of % ownership of ador?

[heady gate]

I still don't understand why does the National Pension Service of Korea own 8.2% of Hybe.

[fierce cloak]

unrelated but i think this is first show have both illit and NJ 😂

[short laurel]

Suho

[arctic sky]

ngl its gonna be weird in the backstage lmao

[acoustic valve]

yeah like, personally "boycotting" hybe music other than NJ has been ridiculously easy for me, like yeah sure some are bops but they're hardly special or unique... not much loss on my end

[heady gate]

Sponsored by Coca Cola

[short laurel]

Same. Just i still get magnetic on tiktok

[half knot]

I can't know about this particular case and the outcome, but there has been cases of majority ownership shareholder acting against the interest of the company and its assets, and the minority shareholders got the courts to basically dissolve the company.

[fierce cloak]

ohhh that would be really amazing. I guess by dissolve the company it's also break all contract of everyone too, included ceo?

[twin cypress]

Yea same newjeans is the only kpop group I’ve ever liked. OMG hooked me

[acoustic valve]

I get the impression it's an open secret that ithaca clearly scammed the fck outta hybe because they paid $1 trillion for a $200 billion company... but this fact is completely suppressed because this becoming the generally accepted perception would instantly wipe like 20%, if not more of Hybe's market value

[half knot]

The thing that has been constantly missing from this discussion elsewhere (not here of course) is the fact that Ador is acting in the interest of the shareholders to maximize revenues and profits, and personal grudges of a majority shareholder is irrelevant in that situation. Ador is its own company, with its own board of directors including CEO, its own artists and interests that they have to serve, and most importantly, its own articles of incorporation. The same is true of Source, PLEDIS, Belift, etc.

HYBE has been treating these labels as divisions, but in reality they simply did not account for a "rogue" board of directors that did not necessarily follow HYBE's every command. So that'll be one for the courts as to whether Ador CEO and directors acted against the interests of Ador as a company, or is the majority shareholder simply throwing a tantrum. This is why HYBE is trying to smear and tarnish them from every angle possible.

[serene cloud]

they were buying scooter's connections in bang pd's mind iguess

[half knot]

how has that worked out for them I wonder lol

[serene cloud]

didn't scooter lose a lot of his clients after that lol

[half knot]

basically shunned by all his major artists past and present

he probably still has plenty of industry connections though

[fierce cloak]

well they are fraud so gotta behave like that
im interest if there is a scenarior ador or anyone can counter sue hybe and audit hybe instead

[serene cloud]

you know bang pd wants that bieber feature on a jungkook song

[half knot]

either way HYBE is delusional if they think they can buy their way into the American market in a real way aside from those who already are kpop stans.

[acoustic valve]

the kalguksu incident was big in korea, and everyone in kpop, especially belift's team was watching everything NJ does with a microscope. It's fair to say they knew about the incident and intentionally left it in there...

[half knot]

either way the only way they've been able to remain relevant in the US is through their Universal Music deals

[hoary frost]

right idk why i forgot that all belift been doing is watching newjeans

[half knot]

in every sense, the narrative that BSH has been jealous of MHJ and NJ's success without his involvement has been reinforced in every way even now with this letter. and it's a lot more credible than MHJ trying to take over Ador with her meager 18% lol

[fierce cloak]

obviously lol

[hoary frost]

everything bc nj charted on hot 100 like

[dry atlas]

my head hurts from work and this

but i cant break away

need to be updated

😵‍💫

[hoary frost]

my trying to enjoy new supernatural pics in peace: failed

[half knot]

there are new ones?

[hoary frost]

3-4 from press release in #👖group

[half knot]

oooh

[acoustic valve]

It's clear to say that the parents' trust with Hybe was completely broken, and ironically despite the way iroaches are saying "oh mhj groomed the parents too"... I think they were the ones that actually influenced mhj to be so combative with Hybe. Because mhj respects their opinions and feelings and doesn't want to ignore them just because it would make more business or political sense

[short laurel]

about the bsh ignoring members greetings. i not like how fans seem to undermining it. it's a big issue if bsh ignore them. cuz that means he's not gonna care about them when he take over management.

[gaunt flame]

Take care melchorio

[fierce cloak]

yeah i can see that parents raise concern and push mhj to fight about plagirism issue, and mhj has her own drive coz it's her creative work

[hoary frost]

I think trust was broken when HYBE cancelled NJ debut

[dry atlas]

stfu

[acoustic valve]

yeah. like MHJ had plenty of reason to fight Hybe back, but it's still true she probably pushed way harder than is sensible considering how little power she holds. I think it was spurred on by the parents' opinions though and she felt obligation to expressing the parents' worries

[tiny peak]

that's what I'm reading between the lines. "CEO" translated to korean means representative, never thought someone would act on that literally

[acoustic valve]

and the parents are 100% considering how to get out of Hybe's hold if MHJ and her team collapses... the more ugly this fight gets the stronger their case imo

[short laurel]

the great stalker ibob

[opaque torrent]

How did HYBE go from we have strong evidence MHJ met with foreign investors to plan a coup to sending in a parents complaint to evidence? Insider trading, malfeasance, embezzlement and now forgery lol

Like they just wanna fuck with her mental state at this point bc this is becoming so unserious

[half knot]

it's like they are bargaining, started with maximum criminal offences and now they're down to this lol

[short laurel]

their rebuttal to parents letter was also so dumb

[acoustic valve]

and did every1 miss the random stray the parents' letter threw at ||plagia||riize?

Edit: actually, now that I think about it, TWS also had similar controversies, mostly on knetz, so mayb it was that too

[short laurel]

xD

[hoary frost]

I realized that I love weekend for another reason now: there is no news bc everyone is resting ❤️‍🩹

[hoary frost]

if the concert had riize as well it would be so awks.. insert spiderman meme

[opaque torrent]

Right wtf lol

[ocean arch]

This chat vs nj chat

[gaunt flame]

[dry atlas]

that is the point

so it's a success

[opaque torrent]

Translation of HYBE’s response https://www.soompi.com/article/1660995wpp/hybe-releases-statement-about-email-reportedly-sent-by-parents-of-newjeans

[dry atlas]

Min Hee Jin suggested using the parents to raise issues because it would breach the shareholders’ agreement if she did it herself

does this mean she cant raise issues herself?

she's muzzled???

[half knot]

this is why any of our speculations are just shots in the dark. their contract must be so convoluted

the one between MHJ and HYBE to form Ador and become its CEO that is.

[tawdry vessel]

atlest no unhinged dog that barks here

[dry atlas]

lmao

um chill?

[tawdry vessel]

[ocean arch]

[gaunt flame]

[opaque torrent]

I think they’re just trying to fuck around with ador’s work flow

[half knot]

doing this in the middle of comeback promotions is clearly and obviously sabotage

right as ILLIT's promotions wrapped up and LSF scandals had started...

[opaque torrent]

Keeping a stylist until midnight

For a surprise audit at her home

Making ador reply to frivolous leaks

[tiny peak]

i'd like to think they were seething at the teaser photos, dying of jealousy

[tawdry vessel]

yeah and rumours said she had some health issues so maybe because from hybe's hellish and difficult process of debuting idols

[opaque torrent]

They really don’t care if their stock nose dives or they lose in the public opinion court. They just wanna torture her and their other GGs will make up for the losses and they have BTS

So who is using the artists for their greed

[half knot]

I wonder how long they'll continue to have BTS.

[opaque torrent]

This is a common tactic rich bros use on women they abuse

[acoustic valve]

I only pray that this is all being compiled as evidence by the girls' lawyers when their probably inevitable battle against Hybe begins

[shy schooner]

Hybe responding quickly

[half knot]

a variation on what she originally posted in Nov with bunnies protecting lol

[tired ingot]

leave newjeans members alone

[acoustic valve]

ok this made me giggle https://vxtwitter.com/Thrgehitr5/status/1789860259953021141

[opaque torrent]

It’s weird. HYBE already replied in the first article when it leaked

But I guess public opinion didn’t go as they wish?

[tiny peak]

yeah they really thought the did something with this one: This official said, “000 debuted on March 25th, but before that, there were reactions from some netizens, such as suspicions of plagiarism, due to pre-released teasers, etc., but after debut, the song was so good and the response was so hot that such claims disappeared.” He claimed

wrong reply

[opaque torrent]

Meanwhile, regarding the email sent by New Jeans parents, a senior Hive official countered, saying, "First of all, we need to check whether the email was written by New Jeans parents," and "We have relevant evidence." He continued, "I sent a reply on April 16th to the question of plagiarism that it is different from the facts. When we were about to send it, we received a second email with various provisions such as pushing it out of the Adore. The reply to the 1st email was sent that day, so I sent a reply to the 2nd email around 10 a.m. on the 22nd, and it was confirmed that CEO Min Hee-jin read the answer a little after 12 noon. And the audit took place this afternoon,” he added.

This official said, "000 debuted on March 25th, and before that, there were some netizens' reactions such as raising allegations of plagiarism due to pre-released teasers, etc., but after the debut, the song was so good and the response was hot that the claim disappeared. So I sent an email on April 3rd in a hurry." Also, "The release of New Jeans's 'Bubble Sword' is on April 27th, and the fact that the first email was sent on April 3rd and the second email on April 16th is believed to have been sent under the judgment that Hive will have no choice but to accept such a claim from CEO Min Hee-jin ahead of the New Jeans's comeback. It's all too clear who's using New Jeans," he emphasized.

I’m leaning towards HYBE leaking the emails so the parents can be criticized and then HYBE gets to be the hero and blame MHJ lol

[hoary frost]

they sent internal complaint. they could have appropriately dealt with it internally but they took at as personal attack

[half knot]

I wonder if they themselves understand what they said in that response...

[opaque torrent]

I guess not since they had to release another one? lol

[hoary frost]

theyre saying it that they got mad bc they got complaint letter and launched audit

[tiny peak]

retaliation is not a good look

[half knot]

it really sounds like they did all this out of some kind of personal vendetta or because they took offense ...

[tiny peak]

i actually hope they keep releasing statements

[acoustic valve]

theqoo clocking Hybe's colorful use of language to claim MHJ "wrote" the letter: https://theqoo.net/hot/3228262731?page=1
tldr; MHJ did write the letter; the letter that was sent as an internal memo which summarizes the parents' thoughts, whereas the parents' letter is clearly written by the parents... because how would it make sense to make up a lie like this when the parents can debunk it in one phonecall?

[opaque torrent]

And they were CC’d in her email 😭

HYBE’s strategy is just to blame MHJ for everything bc she has a powerful shaman. Making her VP write escape plans, embezzling her stylists’ salary, bewitching Nj parents into writing a formal complaint

[acoustic valve]

and iroaches are buying it just like the brainwashed kpoppies they are...

[opaque torrent]

It’s like the weird proof of her encouraging CYM to embezzle funds and then proof they embedded was MHJ trying to fix the situation

[arctic sky]

https://www.pannchoa.com/2024/05/instiz-bang-sihyuk-who-isnt-greeting.html

the title

[hoary frost]

imagine if it is awk for nj and bsh to greet eo now, what it will be once they kick mhj

as i said before nj will never be bsh's group. fundamentally. if he takes over nj production, his work will always be compared to mhj's work.

[arctic sky]

yea plus there's illit now if they kick MHJ out im afraid that will be the end also for NJ

[opaque torrent]

Hmm this lawyer said she can countersue and invalidate the shareholders if they cannot prove breach of trust https://www.hani.co.kr/arti/society/society_general/1138456.html

[opaque torrent]

@lethal hound

[hoary frost]

https://m.entertain.naver.com/article/241/0003350217

is this new? nj mother statement says park jiwon said he would give nj long vacation

welcome to dungeon like fromis

who tf wants your grammy producer? crazy

[half knot]

sounds more like a threat than a reassurance

[acoustic valve]

It's probably true, a parent must have called the press, they slowly stepping into the media battle now

[arctic sky]

need a better translations

[hoary frost]

theyre threatening

[acoustic valve]

the "grammy producer" bit is so fucking lame, who the fck wants that? And what the fck does it even mean? Just goes to show how he views idols and music as nothing more than replaceable cogs in a wheel...

[dry atlas]

imagine bumping off 250 for a Grammy winning producer

it's not like he's produced hits for newjeans

[opaque torrent]

Ah I guess I am not sleeping

[hoary frost]

im ijboling so hard 😂😂😂

[acoustic valve]

imagine thinking anyone that openly markets themself as a "grammy-winning producer" is actually capable of making meaningful music...

[dry atlas]

facial recognition disorder

[hoary frost]

im dying sjdjdjks

[acoustic valve]

really just throwing everything out there

[hoary frost]

so parents were worried that this issue escalated bc of the letter

[arctic sky]

wtf was that lmao

[hoary frost]

so they visited hybe and executives came late and straight up started talking about mhj doing illegal things

theyre crazy. i knew they would scrap new album but even tour?

theyre so obsessed with grammy winner songwriters

[dry atlas]

why the translation suck this time

[arctic sky]

ikr i couldnt find a better ones out there

[hoary frost]

it seems hybe did not know about tokyo dome

[opaque torrent]

They’re scared HYBE will interfere

[hoary frost]

literally who takes 1 year and 6 months break. insane

maybe only rihanna

[acoustic valve]

Do they really want Hybe's production to touch the girls anyway? Set the girls free please

[half knot]

no that's not what it says. they're saying they have enough staff to proceed with tokyo dome events without MHJ since she didn't share any of the plans with HYBE.

[hoary frost]

ohhh i see

[half knot]

basically saying it'll be okay with her gone, trying to reassure sort of

[hoary frost]

someone dm this article to soompi for translation 😔

[dry atlas]

Mother A of a NewJeans member, “HYBE CEO Park Ji-won said he would give NewJeans a long vacation..”
https://m.entertain.naver.com/article/241/0003350217

[ocean arch]

Hybe trying to win over the parents ?

[dry atlas]

while i cant blame them

[ruby garden]

that sounds like a threat

[opaque torrent]

Yeah soompi. Stop translating brand reputations and get on this

[dry atlas]

the phrase "I couldn’t say anything more at the scene, but after I came out, I said" came out too many times

pls talk IN the meeting not outside the meeting

[half knot]

it's a korean thing I guess, outspoken women don't exist generally

[dry atlas]

yeah i get it

[acoustic valve]

have u met mhj? then again... probably explains a lot

[opaque torrent]

Koreaboo is on write up #4 from that letter 🥲

[tiny peak]

but HYBE is confirming "a long vacation" as in it will be a long time until comeback?

[dry atlas]

long vacation since they have to recruit a grammy-winning producer

ig that's a sign that they're letting go of the existing team

[opaque torrent]

BTS is just full of Grammys

[half knot]

are they indirectly admitting they have none at HYBE currently? 😄

[dry atlas]

bye 250

bye frnk

[opaque torrent]

Bye fake MHJ Gigi

[hoary frost]

and recruiting grammy pd needs 1 year and half thats the key lmfaooo

[acoustic valve]

unpopular opinion: every "western" collab by hybe artists have objectively been some of the worst kpop ever... buoyed purely by promotion and fake-hype

[hoary frost]

i guess they will do psychological counseling for a year

[arctic sky]

who the hell is this grammy pd they're talking abt

[hoary frost]

we only want Max Martin

thank you.

[tiny peak]

phase one of removing the "k" from k-pop

they probably have some stupid plan along those lines, while NJ achieved international popularity with good art and music

[hoary frost]

theyre just obsessed w grammy nom winner songwriters lol every bsh group has them in one way or another. scooter connections

[opaque torrent]

I’m sorry I was going to say Park Hi Won is a 🐍

[acoustic valve]

I think it's fair to say, 18 months is probably the minimum period till next CB no matter how this develops...

enjoy this CB

[hoary frost]

a shame contract is not 3 years. would expire next april 21

[opaque torrent]

The part where MHJ laughs out loud while reading her ㅋㅋㅋ to bang pd’s “beat aespa” is so funny. During press con

[tiny peak]

yeah she's a true all rounder

[short laurel]

does hybe realise that whatever stunt they are pulling only making things worse for hybe? or is it just bad translation so i misunderstanding?

i can't c anyone outside i-roaches believing any of this

[opaque torrent]

They don’t care. They have the money to blow and the upper hand bc they’re majority shareholder

https://x.com/heynowwell/status/1789921535777448401?s=46

틴아 (@heynowwell) on X

하이브 직원들이 이젠 미쳤나봄

Twitter · May 13, 2024, 7:32 AM

https://x.com/hype0515/status/1789925064709747189?s=46

러미 (@hype0515) on X

이제 어쩔 거임 박지원 방시혁 시발놈들아
이젠 애들 부모님들까지 멤버들 이용한다 헛소리 찍찍하면서 아동학대로 몰아갈래?
그동안 애들을 챙겨주는 시늉이라도 하셨어야 부모님들도 납득을 하죠ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ

Twitter · May 13, 2024, 7:46 AM

[lucid yarrow]

wait so who leak this letter?

[short laurel]

in long term hybe gonna suffer with all this.

[opaque torrent]

HYBE if you ask me

They were baiting criticism for the parents

[lucid yarrow]

this so stupid bringing nj parents into this they really want nj to leave lol

[hoary frost]

not knetz joking that hybe is sending nj to military service

[lucid yarrow]

it be funny shit if that dani and bang is in cult that scare of her name....

[short laurel]

if hybe wants to send nj on long vacation. might as well terminate their contract. let the girls be free.

[opaque torrent]

The first GG to enlist. NJ is the revolution.

[hoary frost]

[opaque torrent]

Illit will be the second.

[lucid yarrow]

predict MHJ new company HYPE and thier new gg OldJeans in 5years

[hoary frost]

mhj new company name: roda

[tiny peak]

i have even more respect for MHJ's press conference with this new information, she seemed resigned to the fact that HYBE is going to do everything they can to destroy her, but knew she had to act according to her principles

so if I'm understanding this right, the parents asked HYBE to keep this from the girls, but they then went and released it an hour later?

[short laurel]

MHJ is a creative genius. she won't make her new company and group with those names. i bet u it'll be something unexpected andn good.

[opaque torrent]

https://www.koreaboo.com/news/newjeans-ador-hybe-parent-exposes-long-hiatus/

[short laurel]

if any tokkies were against mhj. after this news they'll surely have a change of mind

[opaque torrent]

Ilgan Sports then reached out to HYBE about the parents’ allegations. HYBE acknowledged stating that they were planning on a hiatus, but claimed it wasn’t out of malicious intent.

“When we said we were putting them on a long hiatus, we didn’t mean they are gong to be exiled. Usually, after an idol promotes, they are given a hiatus. Then after that they come back and promote diligently. That is what we meant.”

[tiny peak]

that's insulting the parents' intelligence, they heard what they heard

[steep torrent]

they say this but what about the artists they are overworking??

[short laurel]

yea they are given a hiatus. that's why those idols are going tour after tour breaking their body and have to get iv's

[opaque torrent]

lol they are truly snakes. The parents visited them confirm they had written the letter yet they had the audacity to confuse everyone by suggesting MHJ forged a letter

[acoustic valve]

hybe is insulting everyone's intelligence. well, except for iroaches because that is quite literally where their intelligence is

[opaque torrent]

Have to wait for koreaboo’s next three articles to get the full translation

[shy schooner]

Rip full album release

[lucid yarrow]

so they going cut the full album after tokyo dome and we wait another year for cb for them to find some award winner....

[opaque torrent]

https://www.koreaboo.com/news/international-kpop-fans-defending-hybe-bang-si-hyuk-ador-mistreated-newjeans/

[quick wadi]

plus world tour

[steep torrent]

but even ador stated they had another album planned and touring in 2025 on phoning, will they just ignore that?

[opaque torrent]

Oops I thought they translated the facial recognition disability lol

[tiny peak]

they're saving the killing part for later

[opaque torrent]

Koreaboo still breaking down the letter article in five parts I see

We’ve moved on to NJ storming the HYBE building 🥹

[short laurel]

ARE PEOPLE FOR REAL? they are fine with him being friendly with all the other hybe artists but not NJ ? people are soooo fucking dumb.

[opaque torrent]

Soompi save me from koreaboo

[acoustic valve]

wtf even is this, I've lived in perhaps the 3 most most casual and laissez-faire countries in the world when it comes to formalities... and it's straight up rude and a sign of dislike, if not straight up maliscious intent to ignore someone when they greet you.

The fact this has to be explained shows how even iroaches are grasping at straws to defend that pig

[ocean arch]

And he's ignoring nj not some obscure employees.

[opaque torrent]

PDF file has lost all meaning

[tiny peak]

their most successful girl group

[short laurel]

the twitter they posted in article. 1st reply. https://twitter.com/kimseokshaine/status/1789886031698751551 . liek excuse me? no one got more superiority complex than bang and his i-roaches

Kim Seokshaine⁷ (@kimseokshaine) on X

@rafranzdavis Those girls got superiority complex but they barely proven themselves yet ijbol. They cant even sell out a stadium filled with other known kpop artists and have to downgrade to arena 😭 those girls are NOTHING without HYBE’s payola

Twitter · May 13, 2024, 5:10 AM

[ocean arch]

Right it's the same as not giving them the recognition they deserve which is mistreating

[short laurel]

all replies aresoo dumb. they calling nj lip syncing. when every other hybe artists have shown lip syncing too.

[acoustic valve]

we need a cultural revolution on kpop fans

[ripe mango]

nahh the 2 yr hiatus is too much

[tiny peak]

how they explain this to the stockholders? i'm not sure

[ocean arch]

If u r a kpop stan u least have some knowledge on korean culture

[tiny peak]

the most successful girl group debut in recent years, at the start of their career, but hold on now, we need to find a Grammy producer

[acoustic valve]

the answer is that if BSH and his brother didn't own 40% of the company by themselves; BSH would've 100% be on the chopping block by now

but honestly, if their case on MHJ falls apart, I think all shareholders might have pretty credible cases to sue for damages from Hybe's management. I hope so at least

[lucid yarrow]

come on journalist dig into the cult and find them evil stuff and link to to bang

[short laurel]

dude bsh simps are really. regarding treatment of nj since debut they are crediting all the brand deals and contracts nj got to hybe when all of this was mhj's work and her connections.

[ocean arch]

They somehow twisted what mhj said and they all believe the brand deals are paid for nj by hybe

[hoary frost]

both in kr and int, there is hybe fandoms vs newjeans. even if mhj is kicked and nj stays, they gonna keep hating.

[lucid yarrow]

and hybe said they want protect nj what a bunch of bs

[arctic sky]

Dont believe anything hybe said in face value ,those are PR stunt and mediaplay.

[short laurel]

PR stunt? hybe literally contradicted themselves in todays articles