NJZ Updates and Discussion

[old cypress]

then people would talk in #general-chat

[quick wadi]

free mutes ig

[short laurel]

tim hates this thread

[old cypress]

you can get a mod to monitor this thread

[copper jetty]

I also want ador vs Hybe done. Just get in court and leave NJ and team alone.

[old cypress]

it's a place where people can get their facts straight, it would be a pity to lock it

[quick wadi]

i wouldnt wish that on my worst enemy

[old cypress]

LOL

[opal zodiac]

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[arctic sky]

if i knew this thread exist i should have applied for m0ds position back then

[hoary frost]

thanks for this

[rain spade]

[dry atlas]

first sentence of the chat log and it's already so much better

[copper jetty]

Mel someone's applying for mod.

To monitor this thread.

[dry atlas]

you? ok

[copper jetty]

Nope not me

[dry atlas]

what did i just read

is choi yumi greedy

[hoary frost]

maybe she dumb

its possible that she did not realize the problem or if she did, she considered it was not her problem to deal with

choi yumi reading this convo about her:

hybe cant even spare ador staff. we doomed

[copper jetty]

Technically she should've mentioned it to ADOR team though. She didn't. Maybe she got so used to the incentives since Hybe didn't want to pay her outside of her initial job.

[dry atlas]

did they hybe rebuttal pin embezzlement on mhj?

[hoary frost]

i guess that was hybe's intention

[acoustic valve]

I won't say necessarily greedy, just seems she was oblivious, as if she's not the kind of person to notice these things. And MHJ was navigating the most expedient manner of resolving the issue without making her upset... like a good team leader should.

[copper jetty]

I think they did pin it on mhj

[hoary frost]

but knetz didnt buy it. mhj was trying to fix system

[copper jetty]

Statement from hybe:
"If CEO Min had any intention of protecting his employees as a boss, she should not have done this."

[hoary frost]

them acting morally high

when they did illegal audit like

[copper jetty]

I wouldn't buy it either. Such bullcrap when they harassed choi yumi. That's part of their statement regarding the illegal audit.

[opaque torrent]

Oh ok I feel like HYBE tried to kill two birds with one stone.

1. Pin the inflated pay gap between the head stylist and her assistants when they freelance and portray it as embezzlement on MHJ even tho she was trying to rectify it

2. Cause animosity between MHJ and CY by acting like MHJ gave up the latter to save her own butt by leaking this irrelevant chat of MHJ laying the situation out straight… but CY still came out against HYBE lol

They’re really trying to stir shit up within Ador

[hoary frost]

what counts as freelancing for stylist?

she is in house stylist right

ahh advertisements and such?

[copper jetty]

I think that is what is causing confusion for this. Since CY is also a stylist for ador, they can't distinguish what is in house and what were the freelancing jobs for her.

[hoary frost]

yeah. i assume standard idol stuff, everyday promo etc is normal job, but ads and magazines are freelancing

but she is in house stylist, should not everything be in house isnt that purpose

[opaque torrent]

All of this was resolved two months ago lol HYBE truly desperate

[copper jetty]

But technically if the it's the advertising company directly paying choi yumi's freelancing job then I don't see anything illegal because the money is not a profit for ADOR itself. Those advertising company can just simply choose another stylist.

[hoary frost]

i hope this does not sow discord between CY and MHJ or ador staff

[copper jetty]

It was?

[opaque torrent]

Maybe it’ll make their relationship stronger

[copper jetty]

Source please

[hoary frost]

that would be for the best

[opaque torrent]

CY came out in defense of MHJ

[hoary frost]

yeah, im sure MHJ will communicate her and won't leave any misunderstanding

[copper jetty]

Yeah. I think it helped when ADOR came barging in with that 1st statement

[opaque torrent]

Yeah in Ador statements they said HYBE HR knew about it and they fixed it in February

[copper jetty]

Oh yeah they did.

That's why we're thinking that Hybe's initial report to the police is not gonna stick and went for CY to get more dirt.

[opaque torrent]

So they found plans of “takeover” on VP shin’s computer but aren’t charging him, only MHJ

Now they are pinning CY receiving gifts and payment directly on MHJ

lol what is this strategy

I suppose MHJ oversees them as CEO but she never carried out VP Shin’s ideas and fixed the payment issue….

But even if she actively participated in hostile M&A at the recommendation of her VP, that’s legal. And MHJ didn’t have a problem with CY receiving payment directly bc she values her and thinks she deserves it, she just wanted an objective policy so the assistants get a fair share too

[copper jetty]

Well wouldn't they go by what HR would say here though?

[opaque torrent]

Don’t know without contract terms… but yeah it seems like HYBE knew and are now splitting hairs to find foul play

[acoustic valve]

it's not against any law I'm aware of, she can still be paid for jobs outside of her role at Ador. It would only potentially be against CYM's employee contract... which wouldn't be an issue if prior notice was given and there was a mutual agreement, which there seemingly was

[opaque torrent]

lol ARMYs think the chats are damning 😅

It’s available in English now there is no excuse lol

[copper jetty]

Even translations are clear Idk how they'll spin it this time.

[opaque torrent]

You see staff getting paid well and a CEO actually encouraging it and you side with the conglomerate trying to get a cut out of it? Park Ji Won really wants the free jewelry, makeup and bags Choi Yumi received?

[copper jetty]

I think this again backfired really badly for Hybe.

I don't even know if their rep's gonna recover.

Rest in pieces.

[short laurel]

depends on contract i think. like contract might have clauses of which like only doing for promo and idol activities. but ads and magazines not included. just a guess. we don't really know her contract.

[short laurel]

oo don't underestimate them. remember how we don't trust koreaboo? they'll put that excuse. unfortunately this same post on allkpop isn't posted properly and army there are spinning it in hybe's favor.

[neon kelp]

wsp guys

what's happening

[cerulean sail]

https://imgur.com/pxhw7D6

[neon kelp]

what the lol

[mild mist]

Not much until the 17th

[fierce cloak]

i just finished MHJ presscon, it's truly legendary i admire her even more 🧢 hope MHJ, NJ and Ador win this case

ngl it's sad to think about Hybe is like an abusive husband with finance control, neglecting the kids but want control of them and MHJ is the wife that choose to endure everything for the children's (NJ) sake

[dry atlas]

navier did choi yumi always have those pre-newjeans personal pics on her ig?

[arctic sky]

who is navier?

[dry atlas]

empress

[hoary frost]

[hoary frost]

yes, she did

but i dont know if it was this many

[dry atlas]

i always wondered what she looked like

i swear i checked her ig before and i didn't see these

[hoary frost]

i did see some old ones but not this many and i dont remember her face either.

i guess she had them hidden and undid it now

[short laurel]

opening up her portfolio in case hybe kicks everyone out.

[copper jetty]

https://x.com/newjeanscloset_/status/1788955472302661956?t=D-7SZ_CjnEn3HOM4trShmA&s=33

౨ৎ NewJeans Closet (@newjeanscloset_) on X

Hiroshi x Yumi ! I’m not kidding when I say this women and her connections are insane

Twitter · May 10, 2024, 3:33 PM

Is this the same choi yumi we're talking about???

[serene cloud]

probably

[copper jetty]

Maybe hybe just wanted hiroshi's number.

[dry atlas]

yes it's from her ig

[acoustic valve]

wow tikki vid made it into trending on theqoo too

[grim shell]

I think Hybe x Mhj will come to an agreement and go back to work the next day like nothing ever happened lol

[bronze jetty]

i hope that’s what happens tbh 😭

[serene cloud]

i seriously doubt that - she's called them really bad names in public

it's become really personal by now

[grim shell]

Tsk Tsk aren't they're grown ups? they should be thinking of the children first

[half knot]

if they were grownups they would have resolved this internally already

[serene cloud]

well grown ups have public fights all of the time so

[half knot]

there is still an exit ramp for them both to get back to business as usual though, but they have to put egos and threats aside.

and HYBE needs to stop acting like a gang

[serene cloud]

i honestly don't see that exit ramp anymore - i would be surprised

[acoustic valve]

I mean, the only way Ador "wins" is through that exit ramp... so imma just pray it happens

[hoary frost]

[half knot]

all I know is that if MHJ is out, HYBE will treat NJ as stepchildren out of spite, as can be seen with them continuing this public battle literally as NJ teasers and releases keep coming out.

[acoustic valve]

Honestly, at this point. If Ador's current team is pushed out, I wouldn't be surprised if the members start their own suit against "Ador"(under Hybe). They're at the very least considering their options and I imagine the girls' lawyers are poring over the current proceedings with anticipation. The way this whole affair has gotten so ugly in its conduct, in particular from Hybe's side is shameful, they've got to be breaking some clauses in their artist contracts at this point.

[hoary frost]

I mean if MHJ loses, NJ wont win either

[half knot]

I don't know if the two are necessarily related

artist contracts would have to have a breakdown of trust in order for any sort of contract termination clauses to be initiated and then fight it out in courts

[hoary frost]

I dont think NJ has any realistic grounds to win potential lawsuit

[half knot]

I suppose they and their parents have to ask themselves if they want to remain in the situation that would arise after ador's board is swapped or not

[acoustic valve]

depends what u mean by "lose", MHJ getting ousted is "losing" to me, but if she's not convicted of breach of trust, it will likely end with MHJ suing Hybe back in an extended lawsuit... the members possibly also have plausible cases in that scenario

[half knot]

none of them seem to be from backgrounds where they would be desperate to remain idols

[hoary frost]

yes, but they have contracts. is it easy to terminate contract?

[half knot]

it depends on circumstances at the time

this hybe behavior amidst their comeback is already starting to overshadow their activities and that would be a breach of trust

but again that depends on what their own lawyers think

HYBE has no realistic avenue to recover the allegedly large termination fees from the girls anyway, and courts in south korea often cap any kinds of penalties when they are too unrealistic and punishing.

but I'm sure none of us want NJ to disband before their time is up. and that includes the girls and MHJ.

[acoustic valve]

There's so many different ways this whole ordeal can still go, even if MHJ is ousted on the 30th... it will only be the beginning unless she's found guilty of breach of trust... or at least charged by the police

[short laurel]

police sure is taking their sweet time.

[fierce cloak]

honesty with public attention and support toward mhj i think she have good chance to win the situation. Especially hybe with cult accusation too. Police must do their job right otherwise they would lost trust from people

honesty after watching the presscon i feel bad that MHJ is too kind, even in that situation she still considerate and not trying to expose dirt about hybe but hybe just not stop. These men's ego is to the roof

[half knot]

Police will delay as much as possible, we may not hear about the end of their investigation until next year even

[fierce cloak]

that's also a possibility

[half knot]

but I bet they'll release all kinds of misleading information in the meantime

[tiny peak]

I don't see HYBE acting logically or intelligently, I get the feeling they are instead being driven by spite, ego, and unbounded arrogance. I have hope they make some major mistakes in the weeks ahead.

[fierce cloak]

yeah they are too deep in the mud and dont wanna admit their wrong so they must find a way to pin the crime onto MHJ just to prove they are 'right'. Typical men ego

[half knot]

it is funny that they acknowledged that they knew about this stylist thing in February and only decided to act on it now

[fierce cloak]

i really hope ador sue them for illergal aduit Yumi too
MHJ seems to be a very protective person, she would fight for whoever within her responsibility

[half knot]

do we know if it was Yumi who was targeted?

[fierce cloak]

she even takes the hit for the VP who wrote the note and accidently "sold" her to hybe

[half knot]

I don't get this constant mention of HYBE this HYBE that from them, Ador is a separate company, if they make decisions internally, unless HYBE parent-subsidiary contract requires them to run everything by HYBE, it's their own decisions.

That includes what platform they chose to use internally for communications.

This really does seem like HYBE being butthurt that Ador isn't functioning like Source of Belift and is doing things their own way, and HYBE didn't think about it long term to require such division-like behavior from their subsidiaries.

Like they just presumed the norm would be followed or something without putting it in writing.

[fierce cloak]

insecure men want to control everything, and they cannot accept that a woman is straight forward refuse listen to them and muchhh better than them

[hoary frost]

but there are cases like Luhan and Tao. They were ordered to pay to SM until some time

[fierce cloak]

oh i heard the 3 fifty fifty ex-members have to pay back that way too
such a shame coz i like them all

[old cypress]

https://www.pannchoa.com/2024/05/theqoo-finally-full-english-version-of.html lol

[hoary frost]

iroaches

[mild stratus]

"The translation is pretty accurate"
tikkitokki the goat

[opaque torrent]

It’s crazy that I’m on the same side as knetz bc they’re usually insane, but it helps that this is a serious issue with non-idols. It wasn’t like knetz have been firmly on MHJ’s side from the beginning. She was their public enemy #1 until the press conference and more evidence and credible opinions from lawyers came out.

I just find it funny that ARMYs/i-stans are now acknowledging knetz have a shit history of being on the right side of a controversy (tablo, jimin, t-ara, etc) and conveniently ignoring the fact that they’ve also co-signed every one of knetz’ past witch hunts

[short laurel]

Following a female employee home n stay until night is already a big f up. While not legally but morally it's bad. I really hope hybe gets publically destroyed for this.

[opaque torrent]

They were pushing her to self-exit if you know what I mean. I don’t think that’s an exaggeration. They know what k-media and k-netz can and have done to many celebs

[short laurel]

Funniest part is ador is the only label under hybe that truly function as hybe advertise their multi label system.

[acoustic valve]

It also depends what you consider "knetz", even on this issue, there are certain communities that are still very much anti-mhj

[hoary frost]

"theqoo" seems heavily mhj favored (demographic of majority females, 60% in their 20's), whereas other sites with different demographics have varying opinions still

[old cypress]

I'm watching the presscon video there's a lot of things we (ifans) didn't know about

[tiny peak]

yeah she talks real fast and some of the information was very detailed

[old cypress]

hybe blackmailed mhj when she was creating ador, they were blocking newjeans members (who were under contract with soumu) from joining ADOR unless HYBE owned 100% of ADOR

[hoary frost]

this comment lol

5th gen leader fr

[tawdry vessel]

the impact is crazy

[dry atlas]

is there a full sub of the solo mhj yoo quiz episode 133?

[hoary frost]

yes

https://kissasiantv.to/drama/yoo-quiz-on-the-block-season-3-2020-episode-133

https://kshow123.tv/show/yoo-quiz-on-the-block-season-3/episode-133.html

both have eng subs

[dry atlas]

nice I'll watch it after this presscon

[serene cloud]

https://vxtwitter.com/hypnoyouellie/status/1788884229277053397?t=Wge71oT1YbskNK1O6AzAWQ&s=19

[dry atlas]

is that even her

kim eunju their perf director looks similar

[hoary frost]

tf is wrong with these kids lol..

[serene cloud]

And it's a grown adult woman lmao

[old cypress]

the qrts are roasting her

[old cypress]

i think it's eunju lol

[opaque torrent]

mhj is hilarious

[shut kelp]

is that mjh? if it is these people are weird

[tiny peak]

it doesn't look like her

[shut kelp]

one of the replies said something about walking past her and playing bts music 😬

omg its a mom doing that too 😬

[twin cypress]

i saw that reply, goes to show that these people still dont understand the actual situation and just think bts=hybe so if mhj is beefing with hybe it has to mean she hates bts

[shut kelp]

that fandom is cooked

[old cypress]

that's what happens when you spend too much time on stan twt

you become like that mom

[valid sierra]

they really think that the world revolves around them

[twin cypress]

i wouldnt be suprised if mhj didnt care about any group but newjeans since all her ideas are anti k pop

[dry atlas]

Damn there's so much yap in mhj chat logs 🤣

[half knot]

girlie loves to talk, but also shows nobody is really paying attention to all her concerns and complaints

[acoustic valve]

the way mhj had a pp presentation ready of how Belift plagiarized Ador and wanted to show it but the lawyers physically stopped her 😭

[opaque torrent]

she even asked them how they're going get their money back for buying that zionist's company lol

[opaque torrent]

maybe thats why we're fond of ha here hehe

so newjeans moms are the ones who keep her in the loop

based

[valid sierra]

https://fxtwitter.com/TimeoHominem/status/1786278411230478664
they were saying that the issue does not affect NJ at all but then proceed to say this. like damn, okay bang pd stans

[opaque torrent]

dont stray kids write and produce a lot of their own music? its not difficult for boy groups to have more creative control. that was the company line for VIPs and big bang. how do ARMYs feel when they see VIPs stanning over YG's criminal and predatory ass?

[hoary frost]

she definitely cares about V tho - even going to see him when he's in the military with nwjns

[hoary frost]

"suffocated them" & "never be allowed to write a cypher".
that's exactly what Bang PD did to BTS (forcing blk culture on them, directly copying lyrics from other hiphop artists, etc)
until "화양연화 (The Most Beautiful Moment in Life)" - which wasn't even his idea to begin with lol

oop wrong reply

[short laurel]

Even Foreigners living in korea can't understand anything beyond bts is sad.

[shut kelp]

they'll have a korean explain the situation properly to them and they wont care

[short laurel]

That Twitter account is apparently even older than mhj according to ppl. So it's even crazier that she did it. Fk her son is near like 30.

[shut kelp]

shes brainwashing her kids i bet

[short laurel]

The replies. The irony... World really is hypocrite n blind.

All of the replies are crazy. How much hybe fooled them. Everyone praising bang for things he didn't do n not even allow his artists.

[tribal sand]

im confused what this comment was trying to say...could someone clarify?

[short laurel]

Nothing just Bang stanning.

Apparently "bang brought health care to kpop", "artists freedom to kpop", "family to kpop".

[lucid yarrow]

wish we got to see bang do a conference but i guess he is the drake in this and mhj is kendrick or not

[lucid yarrow]

i really hope they dont like blackmail ppl with what ever private med info they have though....

[serene cloud]

https://youtu.be/gCbE7jNK4FY?si=To15H_yUA2kqQW0x

Interesting video going through the main points

[short laurel]

I didn't watch the video n comments are so pro hybe

[serene cloud]

Probably bc the title is so dramatic for views - but the content is fair

[short laurel]

Yea but it doesn't go into much details. I just watched the video n disagree with how he points out some topics. Like increase in shares value. But Not mentioning future value increase of nj n upcoming asor boy group. It only make it sound like mhj asking for too much when in reality it's normal negotiation tactics for future

He just made points that most here already knows but he made them with less details. N without enough context.

Also he mentioned that major shareholders can do whatever they want n can dismiss mhj without reason? Afaik about law in korea u can't just fire someone without a reason n hybe would be in years long lawsuit by mhj for this. We had this discussed here.

[opaque torrent]

at the risk of being lazy and reductive, maybe he's just sexist lol

[short laurel]

The only point i give to that video is he sounded neutral

[opaque torrent]

if he was going to do an analysis and take everything hybe released and leaked at face value, he should do the same for ador

the two english-speaking korean (male) youtubers i've seen seem to be after ARMY views

[short laurel]

Yea it's common contrnt creator thing

[opaque torrent]

i think for now, unless its someone who can be objective with the available facts and establish credibility in business law, i am going to stay away from analyses and commenters. they're just salacious and annoying.

[opaque torrent]

i started to watch seoulite or whatever bc he was empathetic towards lee sun kyun, but his videos on mhj reek of misogyny. tone policing and 'body language expert' nonsense. body language content istg is made by some of the most despicable grifters online

[short laurel]

I just stay away from anything law on YouTube. They sometimes right n sometimes wrong. Not just about cases or how they view it but even laws they mention sometimes are just not true.

[opaque torrent]

there are many fields of laws too. what is a criminal defense attorney doing commenting on this hybe/mhj feud and their negotiation tactics

[short laurel]

Which make me think that they are just interns or law students or something

[acoustic valve]

i've found pretty much every english-language kpop news content creators these days are just terrible, at best they don't know nor understand Korean enough to speak on issues and just end up regurgitating twitter/tiktok/reddit I-roach opinions. Or they're clearly grifters trying to get the most views possible, which usually means getting army or blinks to engage, whether that be with ragebait or d-riding.

[arctic sky]

They are afraid of backlash if they take mhj side

[short laurel]

News content creator are even worse. I c soo many from every country posting just stupidest of info in their videos

A thing already exists n everyone do it for decades. This news content creator: "A (country) student invented this thing to save money!!" N comments are like:" wow how cool people in this (country) are genius" or other praising words.

[arctic sky]

https://www.pannchoa.com/2024/05/theqoo-finally-full-english-version-of.html

Look at the comments section lol

[short laurel]

yesterday it was clean. today people are really dumb. tikki literally said in the description that translation team includes even anti-mhj. yet they going on about it being mhj biased. like it's literally mhj's interview and translated by both sides working together.

[arctic sky]

I bet ifans wouldn't watch this video because it would crushed their world

edit ifans meaning those on reddits n twt

[short laurel]

that 1 user claiming to have watched the video in comments. they clearly haven't watched just skip to whatever they like for their narrative.

[opal zodiac]

yeah some of the comments on the video are an absolute shit show 😭

[gleaming scarab]

thanks for subbing

[opal zodiac]

guys were the "Shaman & MHJ" texts released and if they are can you link please?

[arctic sky]

hmm are they exist? Idt they are ,i couldn't remember they being mentioned but idk maybe others know.

[short laurel]

i don't get intl fandoms focus on shaman. like all religions around the world focus on their believes so much and yet they are laughing at someone else beliefs.

[hoary frost]

dont think they were released texts - Hybe representatives told the press that

"Representative Min asked the female fortune-teller named 'XX 0814', "Will BTS go to the military or not?" and the fortune-teller replied, "They will go." Then Representative Min continued the conversation by saying, "It seems like it would be better for me if BTS goes to the military (It seems better for me). What do you think?" and "It seems like it would be advantageous for me if they (BTS) are not here." In response, the fortune-teller said, "I'm going to send them. Not for winning a gold medal or anything." Hybe claimed that this conversation implied "acts of sorcery."

Hybe also claimed that irregularities such as solicitation of personnel and leakage of personnel transfer information, as well as leakage of personal information of job applicants, were confirmed. In addition, Hybe added that there were instances of sorcery activities towards the management of Hybe, derogatory remarks about trainees, and so on.

In particular, Hybe emphasized that Representative Min made derogatory remarks not only about the fortune-teller and Bang Si-hyuk, the chairman of Hybe, but also about BTS. According to the conversation content released by Hybe, when Representative Min said about Chairman Bang, "He lacks basic skills and is purely imitating and copying," the fortune-teller responded, "Even 'Bangga Nom' (referring to Chairman Bang) is not the representative, but isn't it because he planned and got it here?" To this, Representative Min again said, "Actually, it's because he copied mine and got here ㅋㅋㅋㅋ."

Hybe pointed out about this conversation content, "This conversation claims that BTS, who was at the peak of success at the time in 2021, imitated themselves and created a team."

[hoary frost]

https://www.joongang.co.kr/article/25245093#home

Is what they claim they found in her text messages during the audit

[copper jetty]

What's up?? Anything happened while I was away??

Aside from hybe iroaches full on tantrums on x.

[short laurel]

other than tikki's video pann post getting dumb hybe stan comments. nothing new.

[copper jetty]

Ok. I was reading pannchoa and it's jarring to have us ifans on their topic board.

It's usually the other way around.

[short laurel]

reading the comments is so funny. their claimed to have watched the video.

[copper jetty]

I know. There was one who actually commented that she skipped the whole video and went straight to the shaman thing

Idk why that's a big deal on army as if BTS going in the military isn't a done deal.

I also saw the voting for subbing the video and was shocked that a lot of tokkis didn't want to translate it.

[tiny peak]

*i-roaches

[copper jetty]

Well I was speaking in general. i-roaches are also i-fans.

[hoary frost]

its cause lots of people knew how much work it would be - especially to add context to everything, and even then things would still be hard to understand some things without understanding the culture in korea

[short laurel]

i voted for not to translate cuz. tikki does nj content. and for free at that. and istans would not bother with watchign the video but instead hate on it. and as we can so though mild it is happening.

[copper jetty]

But wouldn't translating that somehow bridge a gap at least to actually understand things too. Even a little

[copper jetty]

Yeah I was actually debating too when I voted but I voted for it.

I want to at least understand what happened and not get it mistranslated.

[hoary frost]

yea my main reasoning was cause of the workload since they already have so much on their plate

[copper jetty]

You guys might not know but I didn't like MHJ more so after what happened but you guys, this thread explained things a lot.

[short laurel]

people who not as much into kpop were moved. so that's the gap video bridged

hybe stans well unfortunetly they were nvr ready to move

[short laurel]

@copper jetty turns out there are people with kids in their late 20's who stan hybe.

[hoary frost]

you're saying this thread changed your mind?

[tiny peak]

this thread was the only place I could get decent information on the matter. like where else could I go? twitter? reddit?

[copper jetty]

Yep

Same

[dry atlas]

representative emote

[copper jetty]

Sorry Mel too much yapping

[dry atlas]

sure continue

[short laurel]

we love to yap here

[copper jetty]

Well.. I saw a lot of people who said they stan hybe because bts is there so.

I dek how they got to the opinion that hybe = bts.

[short laurel]

bts earn money. people think everything in hybe belongs to bts. yet they nvr point out that bts own little shares of it

[copper jetty]

Welp. I'm going now. I need to make money for NJ albums. I gonna be broke for a while so I need to work.

[short laurel]

xD

[opal zodiac]

when i started the poll i went in knowing that people who vote YES really want it because they want it and that people who vote NO might do so to be considerate of us, or they do want it but want other content slightly more, etc.
so if it was a landslide NO that would be a different story, since it was pretty much 50/50 we decided to sub

[opal zodiac]

yeah some of that which was 😬
but it was also really sweet to see people mentioning us that they know us from subbing lives and doing fundraisers, that more than made up for it 🥹

[fierce cloak]

truly greatful for your effort! I understand the amount of work is huge and it must be stressful to translate all nuance too!

It's also feel heartwarming to see k-tokkis showing a lot of support in the comments
I hope that your effort will reach to a lot of good ifans, and ignore the annoying haters
Take care!

[dry atlas]

someone commented on a lawyer's take on the stylist embezzlement issue
https://gall.dcinside.com/mgallery/board/view/?id=newjeans&no=603066&page=1

it's so long i havent read it all, just sharing here

(it's also found on the yt page itself)

[short laurel]

though very few. i did saw some people who understood whats going on and changed their views thanks to your video.!

[lucid yarrow]

hmmm ok so its not tax evasion that good to know

[short laurel]

it's shocking that google translation is this much readable here

[half knot]

formal-ish korean

translator apps struggle with slangs, shortforms, contractions and abbreviations, but with formal language, they're pretty good now

[short laurel]

oo

[half knot]

although a lot of times context is lost still

[short laurel]

yea. i not understand how ador will still be at disadvantage in this case.

[half knot]

HYBE is just trying to dig up dirt

and do anything to sway public favor too

I don't really understand why though, HYBE had a lot of public favor to start with, why throw this tantrum and cause perception of kpop to change basically forever as a result?

[short laurel]

maybe bang only reads twitter and reddit.

[dry atlas]

he wants to remove K from KPOP so maybe he only looks at non-k feedback too

lol

[short laurel]

i not get this part. just make pop music then if he wants that.

[grim shell]

Any other stylist embezzlers we should keep an eye on?

[half knot]

if embezzling gives us the awesome fits and designs yumi comes up with, then carry on!

[gaunt flame]

Isnt this what hybe been doing lately? Some of hybe songs sounds more pop instead of kpop

[dry atlas]

wow you're here

[hoary frost]

he doesn't even mention the 5% that Ador can only sell with Hybe's permission lmao.. why would he omit that if he's not biased af. This is exactly the type of content the redditors love to eat up

[acoustic valve]

"This is all about money" - The same way some thugs having fun destroying your house in their search for cash and valuables to steal is "all about money"

[lucid yarrow]

can bang be new ceo of ador if he wants to?what if all this is just so he can make more money....

[dry atlas]

i think he wants to see hitman bang on song credits than be ceo

he's chairman of the whole hybe already lol

[lucid yarrow]

im dumb and lazy so all other sublabels have diff ceos?

[grim shell]

pls no

[hoary frost]

yeah

[grim shell]

does mhj appear in njs bts videos? imagine that but with fatpd

[hoary frost]

she does sometimes like lollapalooza behind but not much

[grim shell]

lollapalooza was great, so proud of hyein

[acoustic valve]

They do, but as we've been learning ever since this dispute started; Hybe operates less like a holding company with various independent music labels under them... And more like a typical Kpop company such as SM or JYP; but bigger. So the "CEO"s in the other companies are arguably closer to department heads in practice.

[hoary frost]

thanks. good explanation

[old cypress]

That guy is from Kim & Chang and he keeps debunking claims supported by HYBE whose legal representation is Kim & Chang lol

To be fair, he's just giving his objective pov

[acoustic valve]

I mean, he use to work at Kim & Chang, he's now independent. Most people don't hold any sort of allegiance or loyalty to a corporation just because they worked there. Much less lawyers which are meant to analyze cases objectively

Edit: assuming you meant the youtuber...

[old cypress]

oh he's freelance, okay

[opaque torrent]

I tried to gage what he was saying in his vid and it seems like both POVs are valid bc we don’t know the contents of the actual contract. I suppose it’s a topic that’s out of his element

But MHJ easily gained some public sympathy points for that attack

[old cypress]

His point is it's indeed customary but he doesn't 100% know if it's legal because it depends on the contract

[tiny peak]

makes you wonder if HYBE audited all their "sublabels" like this what would come up

[dry atlas]

haha cmon

audit one audit all

whistleblowers come out

[opaque torrent]

I actually kind of believe that HYBE wasn’t going to release anything after harassing CY bc they probably found nothing but Ador attacked first so they had to put together something in a haste. It was really sloppy

[old cypress]

next they'll attack ADOR's janitor for stealing toilet paper and MHJ for allowing it

[acoustic valve]

yeah I think so too, like what even was that "proof" they provided? Intentionally transcripted into that format complete with the ultra-low resolution to give it the look of something damning and official, when it's just more personal chatlogs that prove nothing at all.

[opaque torrent]

I think releasing that was more to sabotage the morale of the Ador team and put a strain on MHJ and CY’s relationship bc MHJ had to be a matter-of-fact boss and said some not so nice things about CY… but CY probably knows MHJ well enough to not be bothered by her boss mode or is used to it by now so it ended up backfiring further. HYBE acted too confident when they said CY was cooperative and everything was done in a comfortable, professional environment lol then CY talked to the press and just destroyed that claim

[acoustic valve]

I can see how Hybe thinks this angle could work, Ador must be under extreme stress right now, it makes sense that cracks could develop and I bet Hybe is ready to pounce on every crumb and complaint about MHJ to use against her. She seems to be their sole-focus. As a result, not only is the character of MHJ being tested... but everyone in ador too

[short laurel]

yup. so hybe artisst shouldn't compete with other kpop groups.

[short laurel]

which video?

[opaque torrent]

https://youtu.be/i4B78AKAR6Y?si=3vZWhVZmsdIPIH4y

Subsequent response by a stylist https://gall.dcinside.com/mgallery/board/view/?id=newjeans&no=603066

[short laurel]

ooh. no subtitles

ooh the link. i've read that one

[opaque torrent]

Sometimes he pins a summary and then you can translate the page

[short laurel]

the page is from the video?

oho it's a comment of the video

ok slow me get what u said now. :v

[opaque torrent]

Yeah… if you’re on desktop. I view the video on chrome and translate the page to get hints of the video’s points from the comments

I supppse you can translate the comments too on YT mobile app

[valid sierra]

*x -c https://twitter.com/vitaminmodani/status/1788937671764811902

[harsh dove]

@vitaminmodani <t:1715350952:d>

it made even sadder to understand how hyein was crying and frustrated that she can’t do a phoning live to say what she wanted to clear out mhj’s accusations.

[dry atlas]

hey i cried during this

[short laurel]

when genuinely good comment is marked like this. but accounts i reported nvr get anything done to them. elon system shows favor to majority like this. i c so much of this and the account is just telling army to stop hating on nj members.

[dry atlas]

lmao when i see this, it's usually just
L I N K S I N M Y B I O

[copper jetty]

Or the other one. NSFW.

[valid sierra]

fr like, no way in hell im clicking show in public

[copper jetty]

It's the weekend so hopefully there will be peace and quiet in tokkiworld. At least for the next 2 days.

[bronze jetty]

i hope so!

i gotta watch the press conference still

[sterile umbra]

i just found a short summary of the little background story of mhj and hybe before the issue between ceo's of hybe and ador (pertaining to one global audition and their original plans for a new girl group and such)

man, i'm too late for some spills and news

can i put it here? it's on a youtube shorts tho

[short laurel]

yea. but i saw quite a few accounts recently marked like that just cuz they are not on hybe's side.

[fierce cloak]

https://x.com/cato_o_o/status/1789297064628584822

Cato_o_o (@cato_o_o) on X

I have a thought that I was meaning to post on the entire MHJ vs HYBE from a point of view of startup investor founder that sheds light (in my opinion) on the motivation of both parties.

It is fairly long so I am asking for feedback.

Don’t want to bombard people’s tls.

Twitter · May 11, 2024, 2:10 PM

[old cypress]

The urge to yap. We can relate

[dry atlas]

i have 3 yappers in my tl

cato, poppie, and yui

[fierce cloak]

same

[dry atlas]

i don't even follow any of them

[fierce cloak]

same yet i check their acc sometimes

[ruby garden]

Just saw this https://theqoo.net/hot/3225861912

belift even copying mhj mv credit notation for illit

[hoary frost]

was reading that just now

[opaque torrent]

Tbh I wish more companies would credit their team. I think that’s so cool

[ruby garden]

it looks like it's unique to her since it's the same for the one she produced for BTS V

[hoary frost]

yep

[opaque torrent]

Yeah ador cherishes their creatives

[hoary frost]

hybe groups usually have long ass descriptions, where every single staff is listed

ador only does producer and director credits

[ruby garden]

they really want to confuse the public

it's so blatant

[opaque torrent]

Jungkook

[hoary frost]

its obvious

[ruby garden]

i wouldn't be surprised if their plan is to dissolve ador and move nj to belift

[dry atlas]

fuck

[opaque torrent]

No I don’t think so. I remember it being like this with le sserafim https://youtu.be/4vbDFu0PUew?si=-F-2HnXGX9X38elk

[hoary frost]

maybe their creative director is obsessed w mhj

[velvet wyvern]

Any news or updates?

[white arch]

[tribal sand]

Did I just see someone make a reference to the Drake and Kendrick incident 💀
In terms with the audit though…does anyone know how long it will take?

[short laurel]

https://vxtwitter.com/omgakgae/status/1789137718368211290

how many companies CEO listen to young idols parents ?

[ruby garden]

they've already finished with the audit

we're now at the stage where everything hinges on the injunction mhj filed in order to block hybe's voting rights to dismiss her

[velvet wyvern]

Hello?? Are there any updates or news ?

Is MHJ going to stay at ador ??

Are there any probability that MHJ stays with NJ?

[short laurel]

qw'll know all that on end of month

[ruby garden]

we don't know but the chances are unfortunately very low that she stays

[velvet wyvern]

Why are they low?

[fierce cloak]

i just watched MHJ interview in Youquiz, and finally understand what she said at that time fully.
Imma tell ya, she's a genius artist, not just because of her art skill, but because of her Empathy - she connect and understand Audience, the people she works with and especially the Artists. That's why she always able to create incredble original concepts that become trend setters, and why she put effort to bond with NJs and mentor them to become authentic artists themselves and adopt them as her daughters, and why she take care all her staffs and never let them take the hit for her
I already admire her artistic talent, but through all of these, it just reveal her true character - a very kind person. Mad respect

[opaque torrent]

mhj did the press con to basically tell everyone if she is forced to leave, hold hybe accountable for all future nj activities

[fierce cloak]

we have to wait soonest may 17th to see if police approve that hybe cannot fire her, if not then may 31st hybe can fire her

[ruby garden]

hybe owns 80% of ador so they can easily dismiss her

[velvet wyvern]

I hope they approve it ! I don’t want her to leave

[fierce cloak]

yeah same

[sterile umbra]

mhj is a talented individual since she was a kid, since i saw a background trivia of her life via youtube shorts. maybe if it's not enough, then i'll have my research done

[short laurel]

she prepared all of 7 years of NJ. and hybe won't even let 2 years of that done. really hope court approves the injunction.

if you research her background do it properly. there's alot of accusations on her. all of them are false and lack context. so u need to learn which source is is right and which is i-roaches nonsense. they make false info really convincing

[fierce cloak]

yeah the accusation of her being p*** is just ridiculous

[short laurel]

other kpop companies executives have proof of doing worse things but they barely get any hate from i-stans.

[fierce cloak]

it most likely because mhj directly involve in NJ and have a bit more public present, and they just need an excuse to attack NJ, so they point toward MHJ instead

[short laurel]

even during SM days it seems like she had too may hate for things she nvr did.

[fierce cloak]

yeah even when she create the workspace for hybe too

like people are too dumb and pin everything to her even things she arent responsibile with

[sterile umbra]

i don't get the rumors against her about mishandling other kpop groups/members? like being a perv and such. the own rumor of the source are very insufficient

[fierce cloak]

https://magazine.beattitude.kr/artist-project/artistproject-minheejin-part1-eng/

im reading her past interview and she literally talk about people often distort her words too

[opaque torrent]

yeah she talks about how people sabotaged her too

[fierce cloak]

bruh she's a creative director, not idols management, if any group she ever directly involve is only NJ

[opaque torrent]

you'd think she was the president of sm with the way they talk about her

[sterile umbra]

yep, that's why i'm very confused at those rumors/issues against her

[fierce cloak]

people (i-roaches) are just absolutely stupid and rotten lmao

[opaque torrent]

i hate this channel.

[fierce cloak]

i generally would avoid any international source of information, coz they dont understand kr culture nuance nor even language

i grow up with kpop since gen 2 and i have witnessed so many things
Never trust the international audience

[sterile umbra]

there are contents there that can make us confuse

[opaque torrent]

there isn't an issue kpop stans won't trivialize to weaponize and use in their stan wars against anyone who's a threat to their faves. kpop is full of perverted old man yet nj/mhj is the only who has to have those rumors mentioned whenever they promote

[fierce cloak]

it's ridiculous they pinning NJ debut at young age is problematic when giving babymonster or other group a pass lmao

Hyein debut at 14 was kinda young but wasnt even unique nor rare in kpop

for kpop it's really about timing

[sterile umbra]

i'll take note of that

[short laurel]

worse or funny when stans use some allegation to put down other stans but their own favs have those same allegations. we are seeing that in current drama too

[opaque torrent]

mhj is someone with 20+ years in the industry, who's revered and respected by her peers... her team is very loyal to her. she's always been someone who's had a very quiet, non controversial career.

when she created a monster rookie group, everyone started smearing her.

[fierce cloak]

yeah before when i was active in another fandom, there was a lot of accusation and attack to this certain idol too, and the international fans are distorting the story in horrible way, only until we able to find actual korean fans that can speak english to clarify the situation, similar with mhj presscon translation

[fierce cloak]

yeah very bias and cherry pick mindset 😅 they also dont understand that their Perception can be incorrect because of confirmation bias, fake information, close minded,...etc

[opaque torrent]

its easy bc shes a woman. people want to pretend they care about minors so they drag mhj instead of newjeans, but in the process, they encourage a boycott of newjeans lol this type of hate is not extended to any other group with a proven and verifiable creepy ceo/creative director in charge

[short laurel]

careful kpoppies are the same in different way. like they'll take lightes of things and make it super serious while it meaning nothing intl.

[fierce cloak]

yeah human nature is jealously and want to drag others down to their level

Which i also find super fascinating when listen to mhj in presscon, that even if her fight with hybe is a dog fight, she doesnt need to be a dog, and wont low herself to their level

[short laurel]

it's creepy. trusting a man with young girl but not a woman with young girls.

[acoustic valve]

whenever I push people, they always bring up "the idols have spoken about how she took advantage of them before", I ask for proof and they never provide any. I will then show multiple sources showing how the few times she is referened or talked about by past SM idols, it's always been either friendly or thankful for her being there.

The goal post will then move to "yeah of course, she manipulated them"... it's just never ending with kpoppies because they're convinced of their own narrative and will just keep fabricating circumstantial evidence to prove it. It's just sad, it's like arguing with anti-vaxxers

[fierce cloak]

yeah drama sell, that's why majority youtube kpop are garbage coz they just want view and rage baits

The only channel that's good is Doyouram coz they are korean team and always research thoroughly, but it seems recently their views arent too good, they also dont have enough people to research everything so pretty much no more deep dive videos

[opaque torrent]

i wish mhj stole kim garam away from source. i have no doubts mhj wouldnt have let those disgusting rumors marinade and used a 16 year old as noise marketing

[fierce cloak]

the thing is, MHJ behavior is absolutely normal for an Asian/ Korean woman, there are plenty mom and female teacher behave like her, very closely with the children and family

[short laurel]

yea ik. i have that kind of teachers too.

[fierce cloak]

and in artistic sense, MHJ is literally a mentor and teaching NJ kids to grow as artist. And do you know what makes art is? It's emotion, empathy and understand depth of human beings. MHJ doing her job gracefully

[short laurel]

how people trusting source so much but everyone forgot how source used to treat Gfriend when they were trainees and even after debut. not even allwoed to call their families.

[opaque torrent]

the lady cannot even gift luxury goods to her staff without being called a groomer. online kpop stans truly have no friends and lead miserable lives

[sterile umbra]

i wish that there will be more truth tellers that leaks the actual truth and not the lies all over the outside

[fierce cloak]

I can vouche that, if i have a child, it would be my life honor if they can be mentor and adopted by MHJ. That's how i trust this person

[fierce cloak]

yeah they are rotten. Same issues with accusations toward other idols too

[sterile umbra]

that's very creepy, to be honest

[fierce cloak]

lmao they now call NJ's parents as perv and sold their children

[acoustic valve]

i mean, it's not exactly "odd" outside of Asia either, especially in a role that involves working with teenagers. Online culture + kpop stan culture has just created a virtual cultural revolution style witchhunt for anything that is even remotely out of the "safe" norm

[short laurel]

big 3 founders atleat SM and jyp were similarly close to their 1st few groups. we could c they were like family. while not as close and probably strict but we can c those idols still being close to them. no one found problem with those.

[fierce cloak]

all the accusation toward mhj rather expose about the haters themselves - they are toxic, grow up in unloved environment, may have abused experience, or highly themselves are the abusers/ bullies
Because who tf normal think like that

[acoustic valve]

totally agree, every accusation is an admission

[fierce cloak]

yeah Lee Sooman was really close with his gen 1 and 2 groups too, he was their 'teacher' and directly scouting them

[opaque torrent]

shes been blamed for casting a 14 year old in an ugly suju mv (an ugly mv thats obviously not styled by her and produced by a male company) and the 9/11 & atomic bombing imagery in red velvet's happiness video (the actual director/editor of the video already apologized). they will really blame her for everything without facts.

[acoustic valve]

well, half the time anyway, some people are just legitimately brain broken online activists for anything they can critique

[short laurel]

there are also people who just not much into it but saw fake articles and believed it and spread further.

[acoustic valve]

yeah I know, I went through literally everything for weeks over a year ago. It's been pretty much nothing, kinda similar to Hybe's smear campaign against her rn in fact

[fierce cloak]

or people refused to learn the truth because they dont want to acknowledge their perception is wrong and they are stupid lmao

[short laurel]

they got too strong ego.

[fierce cloak]

true adults can understand how tough life is

it's heartwarming to see many korean audiences truly understand and support mhj too
They really dont want their language and culture gap become the weapons for i-roaches attacking people

[opaque torrent]

i think mhj has gone somewhat mad, but i've seen the korean corporate environment myself. any woman would go insane.

[acoustic valve]

it's ironic, because she's a bit of a westernboo, just going by her creative tastes. But that's just life ig

[opaque torrent]

that's more systematic than individual alas

[fierce cloak]

well in the press con she couldnt able to sleep the whole night before, im amazed she able to hold herself and articulate through the whole thing. She's incredibly strong. Being responsible for NJ and ador staff boost her even more

[opaque torrent]

its kind of like how in the US, our curriculum centers around white male saviorism

[opaque torrent]

yeah gotta love her 'i ain't going down alone' mentality lol

[fierce cloak]

i wish MHJ hold a masterclass about art and creativity, imma sit in first row

[acoustic valve]

oh, she needs proper therapy no doubt. You could tell dealing with Hybe day-to-day was already breaking her, can only imagine what it's like now. But if anyone has the self-belief and confidence to get through this, it's her. It's that same belief and confidence that's arguably her biggest flaw afterall

[sterile umbra]

i have read a post on reddit last wednesday. it said that the perspectives between in sk (them, the koreans) and the outside world are totally different

[fierce cloak]

she's still the bigger person here. She has so much dirt about park jiwon and hybe but have not spill anything to attack them back yet. I think she's holding a lot of secret weapons

[opaque torrent]

i loved reading her interviews when she produced taehyung's album. going into it, she knew he was very popular so his album is going to be successful regardless. so she wanted him to not worry about sales and charts and make music he loved and try something he's always wanted to try.

she's very anti-stan culture i love it

[fierce cloak]

when she was in SM, lee sooman and sm trust and let her do her work
meanwhile hybe and all incompetent people think they know better than the master, that's a big no no in business

[acoustic valve]

Generally speaking, that's an accurate enough statement

[opaque torrent]

and her philosophy for newjeans is if it's not fun, it's not worth it

[fierce cloak]

because she's the true artist, she create art because of genuine love and care
Meanwhile bsh is petty and only think of competition, that's why he fear aespa, ive or mhj
And that's also why MHJ will win in the end

[sterile umbra]

it's like the ones who are on the wrong side are putting a firewall filter against the ones who were telling the truth, shutting the truth articles down, and they spread lies in social media and news to the outside of sk

[acoustic valve]

Part of the issue is also that under SM she wasn't in the role she is now. The whole point she joined Hybe, made Ador and debuted NJ was so that she could bring her vision to life. She is definitely far more particular about NJ than her projects in SM as a whole since she was never the CEO

[fierce cloak]

as a kpop fan that have seniority older than haerin age, lemme tell ya, international fans are dumbest breed ever lmao

[opaque torrent]

the thing is the outside world is operating on confirmation bias. i wasn't firmly on her side either and there was no way i was only going to read knetz opinion (they are toxic too)... i just read articles on what the legal opinions on the case were and looked up for myself which article was actually released directlyy by hybe and/or ador/mhj. when you do that, you'll see that hybe has been resorting to character assassination. the worst things you hear about mhj are conveniently leaked and not stated or speculated by hybe themselves. likely to avoid libel and defamation lawsuits. everything from ador's side has been a direct quote.

as for the legal opinions, most of them say that the 'proofs' that have been leaked/released don't constitute breach of trust under the law and they're actually legal? lol

[acoustic valve]

It's also an issue that the only Ifans that even know about her, let alone talk about her are die-hard kpop fans. Kpoppies as a demographic are one of the groups most prone to bias and false narratives online. Whereas in Korea a far broader group of people know about her, leads to less delulu views and opinions...

[opaque torrent]

yes there was an interview where bts said bighit made them compete with western songwriters/composers for the music they want to release. most of the members own songs were rejected.

[fierce cloak]

yeah most people mind only perceive 1 direction, very narrowed and black or white. But to see the truth we must learn different aspects, angle and open up for different perspective. And a lot of time, it's not just about logic, but the human aspect, the empathy and emotions, that's natural and right

[cerulean sail]

Why was the conference video not uploaded on TikkiTokki main youtube channel?

[fierce cloak]

coz they dont want to merge it with NJ contents

[short laurel]

crazy these so called bts fans support hybe when bts members saying their company not give them creative freedom. and they'll still say "i trust my jk oppa's decision. he stayed so it means company good"

[short laurel]

interesting thinking about it when u consider bts most intl fans came from 1 direction.

[fierce cloak]

i wonder when will bts contract end? Usually after first 7 years, it's 3 years contract? BTS passed 10 years right, so 3 more years?

[fierce cloak]

yep, and the loud and agressive ones are also not very smart too.

[acoustic valve]

don't think this ever took off with international crowd, but this popped off years ago when it aired with knetz, and was dragged back up again in this feud. Really sums up BSH's mindset and the way he naturally abuses mediaplay https://vxtwitter.com/k1ssykitty/status/1784284245340627038

Text:
Someone says they're famous,
but I actually don't know why they're famous, but they're all famous!
I don't know why BTS took off, but I heard they're famous!

[fierce cloak]

i dont quite understand?

[acoustic valve]

His strategy was to just keep mediaplay "We're successful, we're famous!" until people believe it, it doesn't matter whether those statements were true or based on reality or not, just people believing in it makes it true... sums up his philosophy here

[short laurel]

when bts took off. tbh no one i know at the time ever heard of bts even a year after they took off. not until someone came screaming bts this bts that. ngl my 1st impression of bts was extremely poor.

[fierce cloak]

ahhh i get it. It's a marketing strategy that Picasso also used. It's kinda a trick lmao

[short laurel]

and army makes that impression worse. which is sad cuz their music is nice

[acoustic valve]

Kinda the opposite of MHJ, who keeps saying her mindset is to "Just make something I am genuinely proud and happy of, the success will follow if the substance is there".... both sides should've seen this clash coming if they paid attention to the other

[opaque torrent]

bts was going to stay on a sinking ship if they kept using bang pd's aesthetics and vision

[fierce cloak]

MHJ is a lot more rightous and confident with whatever she creates. She knows it will reach audience and always success

[fierce cloak]

exactly, sh'es the true artist and true entrepreneur

[acoustic valve]

I won't even make value judgements even though I have my preferences, they both serve different purposes, but regardless it's reality that these two mindsets are hard to make work together...

[sterile umbra]

i'm wishing for peace on both sides

[acoustic valve]

||Hi to mel when you read this 👋 because I know you love the yapping ||

[fierce cloak]

i dont wanna reveal about personal background, but if you study art, and study entrepreneurship (as an art), they are similar - if the quality of what you create is amazing, it will success

and the quality can only come from the masterful craft, the genuine intention, and the desire/need/ satisfaction of audience/ customers

[short laurel]

quite complicated stuff. not easy to explain with words

[fierce cloak]

yeah i simplified the idea lol

[sterile umbra]

i literally cried on ditto mv

[fierce cloak]

same

[sterile umbra]

overall, nj songs and mixes are a masterpiece

[acoustic valve]

fwiw, i agree, and mhj has proved she has the business acumen to match, she made Ador one of the most profitable kpop companies in under 2 years with a new group of unknowns.
I think any arts-based industry like music will always require a marriage of artistic integrity and business acumen to be sustainable.... BSH seemingly only cares for the business side, he's obsessed with competition and profit

[fierce cloak]

i would love to introduce one of MHJ legendary masterpiece too
f(x)'s Pink Tape Artfilm
If you look at f(x) concepts, a lot of them are pretty much the foundation for NJ now

[fierce cloak]

yeah, coz MHJ understand the truth that - if you create something so incredible that everyone wants to have it, and you know finance management, and treat people well, you will become profitable and rich no matter what

[sterile umbra]

what outstands the most are the passion, creativity, and dedication being poured into a single masterpiece, aside from competition, money and fame

[short laurel]

his competition is not even proper competition. his competition is fighting through media play.

[fierce cloak]

yeah i dont know enough about BSH but through of hybe behavior and management system, he will eventually lead to his own downfall, coz he build an empire without foundation

[sterile umbra]

i'll take a look at those concepts later on. i already added it to my to-do-list for today

[short laurel]

they way hybe acquired their "family"

[acoustic valve]

I always suspected a lot about BSH's personality and views on business, but the text message where he said "Can you step on Aespa?" really cemented all my judgements about his character and views on business and kpop at large. He's toxic like a typical kpop stan, it's sad to see

And he's the single most influential person in Kpop... speaks to the reason why the industry is the way it is

[short laurel]

have u watched his bbc interview about SM acquisition drama? soo many people praised him. and here i was thinking all he said is bunch of nothing.

[sterile umbra]

why is it that i saw him as a resemblance of nkp

[fierce cloak]

he's a petty old asian man, obsessed with status, wealth and power. All of his self value seems to come from external validation rather than the genuine love of art and empathy with others from within

[sterile umbra]

i hope that all of these problems and issues will be solved and end soonest

[fierce cloak]

urg i think eventually mhj will leave, and it's good for her own sake, her life will open up to a new chapter of freedom. However she wont leave without a fight for NJ and ador staff, coz she's responbile and protective person. And she must fight for her own rights of compensation and break free from slavery contract

I just hope that there's nothing bad happen to her, she would take some rest during banning period, not giving up, recollect herself and put effort in creating new art projects - coz that's who she is, then establish her own company

[tiny peak]

branding is important too, and well we know MHJ is a master of that

[short laurel]

meanwhile hybe lost all of their branding (atleast for smart people)

[fierce cloak]

i wish i can learn from her masterclass....like every time i stumble through her interview, it's like digging gold and she just taught so many incredible lessons...

[acoustic valve]

yeah, as bad as I feel for mhj, she'll probably land alright after all this is over... she's already established herself, whether she stays at ador or not is not going to matter all that much in her life. It's the members I'm far more worried about, this period in time will drastically affect the rest of their careers, imagine having it ruined by hybe's pettiness and incompetence

[fierce cloak]

yeah, that's why i believe MHJ will do everything she can to fight for the kids

[acoustic valve]

I think she'll try too... and I hope it works out

[short laurel]

i kinda hope they pull gfriend with nj. disband out of no where. girls will be free. and maybe. just maybe they can get nj brand with them like how gfriend members got it.

[fierce cloak]

seems the brand came for NJ through NJ brand itself and mhj connection, and everyone supporting them, so im sure they will be fine
Just hybe is the biggest abuser and lock them up here

[short laurel]

but i want nj music to get out from hybe's hands too

hybe would still be earning from songs as long as it stays with them even if members are out

[fierce cloak]

yeah, NJ music and aesthetic came from MHJ taste and intention. If hybe do it, it's literally invasive

[short laurel]

i m talking about released stuff

[acoustic valve]

Honestly, the NJ brand is worth a lot... but not nearly as much as the members and mhj. If they can all somehow escape hybe and remake the group independently; they'll do fine even without the NJ name. Even without Hybe's resources they can still make art that they'll be proud of and will stand the test of time, even if it's not as commercially successful as it would be under the NJ name and Hybe.

But even this is a pipe dream rn. It's not easy to escape these artist contracts

[fierce cloak]

oh yeah i heard YTN is pro hybe and dahn world so their source and comment are really aggressive agsint mhj

[hoary frost]

ugh im fuming

[short laurel]

can they decide that already when case is still on going ?

[hoary frost]

they will just appoint another musty man as CEO whats the problem

[old cypress]

they can have people in mind

doesn't mean anything

[short laurel]

having people in mind and annoucing it's decided publically are 2 different things

[tiny peak]

likely media play with a purpose

[old cypress]

there's no announcement

[short laurel]

ooh media play ?

[fierce cloak]

what they are gonna do, try to control ador full of people loyal with mhj? cannot control them then fire all of them?

[fierce cloak]

yeah i think so too. Knetz mentioned ytn is pro hybe so could be another dispact

[tribal sand]

?

[old cypress]

Not everything. It's still possible that hybe negotiates with mhj and keep her

[tribal sand]

What does that mean now? Does that mean it’s time for them to go to court?

[short laurel]

we'll know on 17th

[opaque torrent]

pro dahn world?

[old cypress]

mhj filed an injunction to stall the whole thing, court decision on 17th

[tribal sand]

Sorry what’s an injunction

[fierce cloak]

yeah i saw knetz mentioned about it, their news and comments also bias pro hybe in general too

[old cypress]

if accepted, the court will order hybe to pause the firing process until the police finishes their investigation

[opaque torrent]

every time i see 'dahn world denies being a cult' i laugh

[short laurel]

dahn world or dam world

[tribal sand]

Ohhhh okay!

[ruby garden]

on the 17th both sides will present their case in front of a judge who will then decides whether to grant mhj the injunction that will block hybe from voting in the general shareholder meeting. Hybe's plan is to pass a resolution to dismiss mhj at the meeting since they have majority voting rights. If the court accepts mhj's injunction, then the general shareholder meeting is pretty much useless.

[tribal sand]

Gotcha! Thankssss

[opaque torrent]

just manage your expectations that the chance of the court approving the injunction is very rare

[tribal sand]

Oh shoot so more likely that MHJ is fired?

[short laurel]

99.99% chance she's fired.

0.001% thoughts and prayers

[opaque torrent]

i think the police investigation is more important. the results of the investigation will give mhj legal way to countersue for all the reputation damage and get her job back if it dismisses hybe's complaint of 'breach of trust'

[sterile umbra]

it might become a cliched korean drama between the judge and the defendant inside the court

[fierce cloak]

i would hope for 10% she would win somehow MHJ magic

[short laurel]

a webtoon based on this drama should already be in the making

[ruby garden]

yup this is why i believe hybe is scrambling and auditing different departments to get some dirt on mhj

[opaque torrent]

yeah but there are precedents

[tribal sand]

Why would I actually watch this 💀

😭😭😭 LMAO
Anyways we just have to wait and see yall

[tiny peak]

lol yeah she will go back in time when BSH was young and teach him to be a better person

[short laurel]

youong female ceo got her reputation ruined cus of lies from companies media play. a laywer comes to help her who later becomes her lover.

[tribal sand]

LMAO NOT THE LOVE STORY TIED IN THERE

[short laurel]

it will be hit

[sterile umbra]

“i can't wait for the next episode, this kdrama is very exciting and gives me chills”

[short laurel]

or this xD imagine bsh falls in love with mhj later on in the story.

[fierce cloak]

MHJ genius mind and magic please bless a chance to win

[opaque torrent]

mhj goes back in time to learn baduk and wins bts away from bang pd in an intense baduk championship

[short laurel]

they could make soo many stories out of this

[opaque torrent]

which ever one has a shaman and cult subplot

[sterile umbra]

we can eat popcorn while waiting for the results

[old cypress]

loved it when in the presscon mhj said the shaman accusations were just hybe projecting

[short laurel]

turns out both shaman and cult where secretly part of hybe. shaman was hybe spy all along! court case gonna be much mroe complex

[sterile umbra]

hybe with mirror walls be like projecting

i guess i became a bad person rn with my thoughts lmao

[opaque torrent]

this whole controversy is hybe projections 😭 like the one who carried out the 'battle of public opinions' is hybe

[fierce cloak]

i bet mhj would be so shock that someone expose hybe and cult a few days after lmao

[opaque torrent]

the party that keeps leaking info is also hybe

[tiny peak]

he might be in love with her in the present, he's always asking her out for drinks (semi joking)

[opaque torrent]

revenge of the shaman

[fierce cloak]

yeah i hope someone sueing hybe for embazzlement and audit them, that would be really fun, feels like watching Penthouse

[short laurel]

u c. opposite attracts. bang and mhj are complete opposite in personality n ethics and everything. so bang might fall in love with her.

[sterile umbra]

"the more you hate, the more you love"

[fierce cloak]

incel vibe lol

[opaque torrent]

if they overreact that much over a stylist skipping them as the middleman to get paid, imagine how much they've taken from artists

[old cypress]

breach of trust is also hybe lol

[opaque torrent]

this company is bleeding money from its incompetent, zionist ceos and decides to come after the most successful female ceo and her stylist

[short laurel]

imagine "ador sues hybe for breach of trust"

[opaque torrent]

i hope that's in our future

[sterile umbra]

that would be the most epic uno reverse card activation

[fierce cloak]

mhj is extremely creative, think out of the box, seeking alternative path, masterful planning,...i think if she has enough time, she can make magic happen, even if it's totally impulsive like the presscon

[opaque torrent]

its hard tho... they said one of the qualifications for 'breach of trust' is damage to brand value and ador is doing well amid all the controversy lol maybe something else close to that

[tiny peak]

the most successful debut in recent history with unlimited potential, and it comes to this because of HYBE mismanagement, I wish it wasn't just about "might makes right"

[short laurel]

"the 60% hybe shareholders sue hybe for breach of trusts. looking to kick chairman and ceo!"

[opaque torrent]

if only ador can sue hybe for breach of trust for causing damage to hybe lol save hybe from hybe execs themselves

[old cypress]

HYBE reputation damage is greater than we think. All the bright minds in the creative world won't want to work with hybe

[short laurel]

bringing hate to ador from i-roaches is damaging brand value internationally

problem with this one is it was through media play

[fierce cloak]

hybe only strong because of bts. I wonder how bts members think, i know some of them really love NJ and V really admire MHJ too. This could be a trigger for them to leave hybe for good

[old cypress]

newjeans will get more collabs while other hybe groups will get a bunch of "no ty"

[short laurel]

i really hope that happens but as long as bts stays brands would agree to work with hybe

[fierce cloak]

yeah the unintentionally smear lsrfm and illit too, fromis 9 is neglected

[old cypress]

yeah but at what cost

[sterile umbra]

i'm very excited for all of the newjeans collaborations

[old cypress]

I'm sure brands will work with groups it's win-win and just common sense but it will just be the usual stuff

[tiny peak]

the cultural value of NJ is worth so much to korea and the kpop industry, this was going to advance the status of kpop globally and expand reach beyond deranged i-roaches. i argue it's' breach of trust against the nation (i acutally have no idea what breach of trust means though)

[fierce cloak]

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[short laurel]

hybe as a whole is damaging kpop i'd say. like music is less of kpop and more of whatever popular in west

[fierce cloak]

yeah knetz also concerning this too

[tiny peak]

kpop always had a stigma of being weak imitations of western pop trends since the beginning, HYBE doesn't seem to understand that

[acoustic valve]

Sadly, if MHJ leaves and if the girls decide they want to also leave Hybe... The ideal scenario would be for Ador's performance to tank... the more the better

[short laurel]

korean government need to do something i say. since it's their global soft power that's being damaged

[sterile umbra]

the words "breach of trust" are highly cased-sensitive, i'm sure that the court will notice the differences and the comparisons between the two, but i hope that the court will not be bribed from bs in seeking justice/truth

[old cypress]

Yoon? lol

[short laurel]

yoon ?

ooh the president

[old cypress]

yeah and this dude got a shaman as his counsel

[short laurel]

not dahn world ?

i thought he was with dahn world.

[old cypress]

nah

[short laurel]

then government should intervene. since rumor of hybe being under dahn world

[old cypress]

Yoon is worse than trump, don't count on them lol

[short laurel]

but this is an opportunity to get hybe and army under their control. by kicking out bang the root of the problem.

[sterile umbra]

last time, articles on the internet are mostly shutted down, since (even) the logo of them aren't even showing when you search it up

[short laurel]

they should be seeing how much sway hybe has on international fans

[tiny peak]

MHJ resonates so well with korean public, because brilliant people being undermined by corrupt, immoral bureaucrats is a recurring theme in their history

[short laurel]

here's the logo. with bang face

it's 1st image on google images if u search dahn world

[grim shell]

Lol good luck with that, most governments are corrupt to the bone and have long since been infiltrated by secret societies for decades now

[short laurel]

ik.

[gentle ridge]

LMFAOOO

[grim shell]

Governments will only move if they stand to benefit financially.. maybe if we prepare a big money bag we can get them to our bidding

[short laurel]

does tim read the yapping here ?

[quick wadi]

well now you just made me

[copper jetty]

I do think that Ador and HYBE too might reach a settlement here. Remember Ador's statement before HYBE leaked something again before the CY incident??

I remember Ador statement had something like if HYBE leaks another thing to the press that they should go back to negotiating table? Something of that nature

I couldn't find it in the pins though.

[hoary frost]

yes, it was about nj contract termination rights

it does not seem like that hybe has intention to negotiate tbh

[fierce cloak]

yeah they are stubborn finding dirt and framing mhj now. It's too embarasshing for them to admit they are wrong, so better to pin her as guilty

[hoary frost]

imo it is what it is. i dont see them sitting on negotiations table anymore.

[copper jetty]

The only thing that would help us would be the injunction.

Wait what's the winning rate of an injunction in this scenario?

[hoary frost]

the one that prevents hybe's voting?

i don't think we can guess winning rate tbh

i dont have hope. i think they will proceed

[short laurel]

Loss of mhj would be breach of trust.

[opaque torrent]

lol for a min i thought this was a new theory that the logo was inspired by his face and this image was supposed to prove it

[hoary frost]

there is not such a thing

[short laurel]

Nj japan cb is coming in june. In view of this n mhj involvement in the cb, court should stop hybe fir kicking her out until cb is over.

[hoary frost]

i dont think thats enough reason. whatever been planned can proceed as it is.

[errant osprey]

What happened

[short laurel]

Then all i got is crying crying crying help

[hoary frost]

hybe will immediately fill the role with new people. they often move personnel from one place to another like they did with source music, which they filled with former bighit people

[tiny peak]

i hope something in her contract is unfair, and maybe they take that into consideration

[hoary frost]

or pledis which also got few creatives from bighit

[short laurel]

It's odd to be to replace an important person just weeks be4 release. Even if things are planned. Her involvement in it is deep. Suddenly replacing her can cause soo much problems in the cb

While idk about it legally. But business wise it's stupid. But well we are seeing hybe doing stupid things

[hoary frost]

they dgaf

[short laurel]

Itll only harm nj.

[hoary frost]

if they gaf they would not time it around nj cb

[short laurel]

Nj is main brand if ador. This is clear attemt to damage the main brand. Doesn't that count fir something in court?

[hoary frost]

no idea if this holds any legal ground. can be argument

[copper jetty]

They haven't even posted anything regarding the cb so yeah. HYBE dgaf.

[short laurel]

I saw a tiktok with twt argument like ace attorney With pics as added effect. I so wish to c argument with army like that.

[dry atlas]

this is too much yap even for me

i saw something about them already having a team ready to take over ador what was that

[hoary frost]

yonhap reported

https://theqoo.net/hot/3226185791?filter_mode=normal&page=1

[dry atlas]

inb4 it's xerian

[hoary frost]

shut-

[tawdry vessel]

if mhj gets ousted, how do i support the girls without giving hybe any money

[hoary frost]

if she loses injunction, she is basically out right?

[acoustic valve]

Unless something totally unpredictable happens and Hybe decides to not dismiss her, yeah she likely gone if injunction on 17th doesn’t go through

[hoary frost]

[acoustic valve]

There’s always a chance… even if is mostly copium

I’ll be praying to my shaman for Hybe hq to burn down everyday if it does happen tho 🧙‍♀️

[hoary frost]

https://theqoo.net/hot/3226124513?filter_mode=normal

[acoustic valve]

yeah saw that.... Hybe ain't beating the cult + Japanese nationalist allegations

[hoary frost]

when i saw it, i felt like title was about hybe but article mentioned abc mart i realized parallel when i saw comments lol

[acoustic valve]

and the other big big news in Korea right now is Naver potentially losing the LINE app to Japan... so this kind of hostile corporate bullying is very present on Koreans' minds

[urban orbit]

Doesnt Korea own Line though?

[acoustic valve]

and they bout to lose it to Japan.... hence the topicality and outrage

[urban orbit]

do you know why? I dont know the rumors behind it.

[mild mist]

I thought it was already Japanese?

[urban orbit]

whut??? I thought it was Korea this whole time cuz ive seen it alot knowing about kpop...

[acoustic valve]

LINE was developed by a Japanese subsidiary of Naver... so technically it is Korean. But rn it's actually 50:50 Korean/Japanese. Funny enough, allkpop probably has the most straight forward article on it without bogging down in history and details: https://www.allkpop.com/buzz/2024/05/naver-may-lose-the-app-line-the-1-messaging-app-in-japan-that-they-built

[urban orbit]

I hate Naver/Line.. they make it so hard I cant even recover my account cuz i switched phone numbers and it wont let me sign in on my old phone cuz it needs some code from my old number which i no longer have.

[lethal hound]

Hey i want to make it clear that they did not search her home. It says they followed her home to obtain her labtop and phones

[acoustic valve]

one of the auditors entered the home with her and demanded her personal phone, whether that constitutes "search" is debatable... but it's still stepping over several boundaries that should've never happened

[lethal hound]

Just want to make sure mis translation doesnt get weird in english

Nope did not enter home. They went to her home to retrieve labtop and phone

So meaning they did not enter home but went to her place to ask for labtop and phone

[lethal hound]

Exactly

[acoustic valve]

are you reading it properly?

[lethal hound]

Yeah lol

[acoustic valve]

two auditors followed CYM to her house; the male auditor waited outside and the female auditor entered the home with CYM

[lethal hound]

Walking into the house in the front

Is not force breaking into the house and searching for phone

[acoustic valve]

what are you talking about, what does it matter whether she came into the house from the front or not? An auditor physically walked into the woman's private property and demanded her procure personal belongings under supervision, I would call that "search"

[lethal hound]

So yeah, that’s the thing I was trying to make sure there was no misunderstanding on

[acoustic valve]

now you're just battling demons, nobody claims Hybe physically broke into her home, the claim is she was coerced into allowing them into her home. None of these things should have happened regardless, they shouldn't even be outside

[lethal hound]

Well you yourself just said that counts as a house search

It was not a house search but they just showed up to the house and asked for those items. Thats all

[acoustic valve]

Yes, they did an activity that police would requires a search warrant to perform

[old cypress]

they would wait until they checkmate mhj

[lethal hound]

Could you show me which article this is from?

[acoustic valve]

||https://www.spotvnews.co.kr/news/articleView.html?idxno=677792#_PA||

[lethal hound]

Okay you dont need a seach warrant to show up at the house and knock and ask for a phone and labop

Regardless im not saying what hybe did was wrong or not. i am trying to make sure there is no misunderstanding in the translation thats all

[lethal hound]

And no im not battling my own demons because im responding to a someone saying hybe audited a female employee's home. which i am saying this is not true

[acoustic valve]

Coercion does not count as consent, to enter a person's home without their consent and demand personal items to be used as evidence is ridiculous and requires law enforcement to be involved

[lethal hound]

i agree

[acoustic valve]

The fact Hybe auditors thought it was ok for them to behave this way tells you everything

[lethal hound]

i agree, they just didnt go inside their house to do a search

[old cypress]

what happened to the man guarding the house?

[lethal hound]

So man (knowing that its a female house) didnt want to enter into the front area (every korean and japanese apartment/houses have a front area where they take off their shoes. this is usually the place people stand when guests are not welcomed in) because it would seem wrong if he entered

[acoustic valve]

Well, depends how you want to technically define "search". I would call entering someone's house and demanding they procure evidence for you under supervision to fall under that term, but wtva

[old cypress]

so they did enter the house

at least the female person

[lethal hound]

yeah so that they can have a convo. like the employee opened the door for her

[acoustic valve]

you're making a lot of charitable assumptions about what the auditors did or didn't do

[lethal hound]

No thats written on the thing!

thats what im trying to say

[old cypress]

Ok I understand, your assumption is we think the auditors searched the house FBI style pulling drawers and looking under the bed and all. But nobody ever assumed that so I think we can move on

All that matters is the auditors followed her to her house and entered her house to get the phone and laptop, the specifics don't really matter

[lethal hound]

Yeah and im assuming this cause someone in the chat earlier assumed this too that they auditted the house like searching house

[old cypress]

aight

[lethal hound]

yeah thats all,i know hybe folowing anyone to their house is crossing the line forsure in general

[acoustic valve]

and you're assuming the woman just stood by the front door by herself whilst CYM looked for her stuff... which probably didn't happen either

[old cypress]

Why not? It's the most likely outcome, she probably stood in the front area

we're talking about korea, apartments are not that big lol

[lethal hound]

Ultimately the employee opened the door and they all probably stood around the front area

they all have front door camera to prevent opening doors on strangers

[lethal hound]

Yes thats all im trying to clear up

[old cypress]

In any case it's not relevant to the larger situation at all, the thread is gonna be locked again if you keep going on the same topic

[acoustic valve]

Why enter the home at all knowing it's inappropriate unless there was a reason? To make sure CYM wasn't tampering with evidence most likely

[lethal hound]

Oh i think we are in an agreement though

[acoustic valve]

And the very action of supervising CYM is what makes this "searching"... because it's an action that police can't lawfully perform without a search warrant

for me anyway

[lethal hound]

Yeah thats true at the end Hybe still crossed the line

[urban orbit]

https://www.koreaboo.com/news/hybe-labels-revealed-already-chosen-new-ador-ceo-management/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR3SCEuG6rLBM8TVLCjmwq-ua1WkX2YIGP6QJUMp3OPqvi30aVtsVact9P8_aem_Af0rOwHBJO3N1g2a8n72j0zX1HiqYZ3jH0AMjIJRCwWWBw2ISfmyB2kV6p5DwxOo7zk3jVH3tMJ2L9Dz-iJIiCkp

[acoustic valve]

Knetz just going to keep finding similarities between NJ and Illit from now on aren't they.... Illit's first CB better not resemble NJ in anyway otherwise it will just be nonstop chatter about them. Their creative director has her work cut out for her... time to sink or swim. https://theqoo.net/hot/3226343002?page=1#cmt_303

[opaque torrent]

the part in the press con where mhj showed kkt of herself calling bang pd 'pabo' https://www.instagram.com/reel/C5YSJ0Ggxsh/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

[opaque torrent]

at first i thought mhj calling this out was invoking some stan twitter discourse in the heat of the moment, but she could actually sue for breach of trust based off of this. that's what i've seen some legal opinions suggest

Attorney Lee argued that there is a possibility that Hive or Hive Board of Directors Chairman Bang Si-hyuk may have committed breach of trust. Even though Hive is Adore's parent company and majority shareholder, it is an independent and separate corporation with a different shareholder composition from its affiliates. Therefore, it was considered that there is a possibility that the parent company's arbitrarily taking the affiliate's know-how and applying it to another affiliate (Belief Lab) could amount to gratuitous breach of trust. . https://n.news.naver.com/article/277/0005411420

[acoustic valve]

I'm not sure about whether such a case is realistically feasible, but yes, the fact that this is still technically a multi-label system of independent companies is why Hybe running it the exact same way SM would run its divisions is a problem. The parent company also owes fiduciary duties to its subsidiaries, duties primarily related to fairness.

[lethal hound]

Yeah but it would be so hard to prove know how

[opaque torrent]

it would be a long hard battle. i hope the best outcome is that she is legally absolved from the 'breach of trust' scarlet letter hybe has branded her with and gets to leave (by her own volition or by dismissal) with lots of $$$

[lethal hound]

dance moves and concept styles are not IP protected

[opaque torrent]

yeah it seems the law has not caught up the creative world as well

[lethal hound]

ive seen other lawyers talk about this too and they all say it would be hard to prove IP and theft of know how

[acoustic valve]

I'm more so hoping Hybe's behavior might potentially open up a window for the girls to terminate their contract with little to no penalties... we'll see

[lethal hound]

realistically MHJ and NJ going independent is super stretching it

[ruby garden]

yeah i think if they're purposefully trying to mislead or deceive the public with all these similarities, it negatively impacts nj brand value and should be perceived as breach of trust

[lethal hound]

I would hear some lawyers even saying MHJ nor NJ doesnt even have a choice in the matter

[old cypress]

it's not a matter of IP protection since ador is part of hybe

it's a matter of copying

[acoustic valve]

I mean, if Ador somehow really does manage to convict Hybe of failing their fiduciary duties in regards to Ador... it opens up possibilities for the girls, whether they want to take it is not definite of course

[lethal hound]

which is what IP is trying to protect itself from

[opaque torrent]

i think the best realistic outcome is the non-compute is lifted and hybe has to buy her shares back at full value. she can leave hybe and move on with her honor. once nj's contract with ador/hybe is up, they can start fresh together.

[old cypress]

IP is besides the point, the main case is hybe doing a dupe of newjeans. It's legal and allowed but it's not good for ADOR

[lethal hound]

i agree

[old cypress]

Hybe is knowingly hurting ADOR's business which amounts to breach of trust. That's the point, not IP stuff

[lethal hound]

It would still be hard for that too because MHJ doesnt necessarily mean Ador

[opaque torrent]

i think we have to prepare ourselves for the reality that mhj wont be working with newjeans after the 30th. its sad but it's not the end.

[acoustic valve]

These are the most commonly cited fiduciary duties a parent company owes to a subsidiary... apply them to hybe and ador's relationship yourself. Of course I'm not saying it's realistic that ador has a case(I'm not a lawyer, i got no idea), but at face value it's still an interesting exercise:

1. Duty of Loyalty: The duty to act in the best interests of the subsidiary and to avoid conflicts of interest between the parent company and the subsidiary.
2. Duty of Care: The duty to exercise reasonable care, skill, and diligence in managing the affairs of the subsidiary and making decisions that affect its operations.
3. Duty of Good Faith: The duty to act honestly, fairly, and in good faith in all dealings with the subsidiary, including in negotiations, contracts, and other transactions.
4. Duty of Disclosure: The duty to provide the subsidiary with relevant information and to keep it informed about matters that may impact its interests.
5. Duty of Non-Interference: The duty to respect the autonomy and independence of the subsidiary's management and decision-making processes, unless otherwise agreed upon in contractual arrangements or required by law.

[lethal hound]

........ yeah

[lethal hound]

The sad reality that MHJ wont be around for NJ is something we might have to prepare for

[ruby garden]

expect disappointment and you won't be disappointed - mj

[opaque torrent]

as long as hybe loses their 'breach of trust' case, they will have to compensate her handsomely for unjustified dismissal and defamation and that's what both parties deserve.

[lethal hound]

that silver of hope that some saudi or singaporean private equity firmbuys out Ador or pay penalties

[old cypress]

hybe won't sell their shares

[acoustic valve]

I gotta feeling mhj will fight for more than just the money, she'll try to get management rights back. Not saying it's probable, but she'll try

[opaque torrent]

i'm not sure if she can countersue to keep her job. has anyone on the korean legal side talked about that?

[ruby garden]

they're money hungry, they will if someone offers the right price

[lethal hound]

there are a lot of lawyers coming out on the news to give their take on it

[old cypress]

and the right price would prob need newjeans to work 20 years to make it even

[lethal hound]

She can delay but would be hard to keep job

[old cypress]

ador valuation is off the charts

[opaque torrent]

every minute matters i guess 😭

[old cypress]

I don't think she can keep the job. To countersue you have to be fired so...

instead she's filing an injuction to stall the whole thing. Stay tuned on may 17th

[lethal hound]

So i see it like this, Hybe's statement of she tried going independent is an excuse to fire her cause you need reason to fire

At the end once you have good reason company has every right to fire

[opaque torrent]

im thinking she can countersue not to get her job back but to get severance and retain the value of her shares for wrongful dismissal

[lethal hound]

oh i think so toooo

[old cypress]

yeah but it'll take years most likely

[lethal hound]

She has a good case to get her good severance and keep her shares

[opaque torrent]

babygirl deserves to live the rest of her life in peace lol

and have money to start her own company, should she choose to

[lethal hound]

im sure someone will invest in a new company but they just wont pay NJ value

[opaque torrent]

she turned a 16b investment into 200b worth yeah there will be plenty of interest. but its up to her. i wont blame her if she wants to retire from the industry after this

[old cypress]

in the presscon she said she didn't wanna go solo because investors who approached her were often being creeps

she went to hybe because it had an established structure and she didn't have to worry about getting investors

[opaque torrent]

hybe didnt turn out much better 🫠

[old cypress]

yeah sadly

In any case there's another outcome that no one is willing to consider for some reason. Hybe reaches a deal with MHJ and everything goes as always. It's not impossible at all

[lethal hound]

yeah.... not going to happen

[old cypress]

see

[lethal hound]

once you go public...

[prisma ferry]

https://m.koreaherald.com/amp/view.php?ud=20240510050568

[old cypress]

Hybe's endgame is to get mhj shares for dirt cheap and void her put option

[opaque torrent]

they refused to consider lifting the non compute, they are willing to lose a trillion in stock to get rid of her. they already leaked plans of replacing her.

they have bts, they think they're invincible

[old cypress]

it's just barking at each other, hybe wants to maximize their leverage bc they know they can fire her

bark until mhj folds and gives away her shares

or renegotiate an agreement that is more in hybe's favor

current one doesn't favor hybe or mhj they're both in a bad position

one could wonder why the hell they wrote such a terrible shareholder agreement

[opaque torrent]

we shall see. i feel like the court has to approve mhj's injunction (low chance) AND the police has to dismiss their complaint (more probable) for that to happen. it cannot be one or the other.

[old cypress]

(I know actually, hybe completely underestimated newjeans)

[lethal hound]

it was all hybe's money usually its like that unless you tryna solo with an investor

[old cypress]

yeah but mhj has 18% now, hybe sold her 20%

and hybe will be forced to buy it back for way way more expensive unless they fire mhj

that's all it's about, the rest is just noise

as things stand hybe will make 0 money with newjeans because everything will go towards buying MHJ's shares

[lethal hound]

MHJ can still hold onto her 18%

[old cypress]

she has a put option that she can exercise, that's like a sword of damocles hanging over hybe

[lethal hound]

isnt the option already excersized?

[old cypress]

no

mhj still has her shares. Put option = right to sell at a certain price

[lethal hound]

ohhh i didnt know i thought it did and that resulted in the 20% which let to one of their arguements

[opaque torrent]

but the put option is only applicable to 13% right?

[old cypress]

correct 13% for now

she can't sell the remaining 5%

[lethal hound]

but i dont think the put option will break the bank

[old cypress]

you know the price? It's 2year operational profit average times 13

someone did a calc, it's worth 7 years of newjeans activities

[lethal hound]

wait wait

[old cypress]

and it'll be worse next year

[lethal hound]

your talking about NJ's penalty contract

[old cypress]

no, the put option

[lethal hound]

.. wait so the put option and the newjeans panalty has the same price valuation method

[old cypress]

idk the valuation of the newjeans termination penalty

I don't think it has been revealed

[lethal hound]

thats the standardized term for trainee contracts in korea

[old cypress]

2 years operational profit avg x 13 ?

[lethal hound]

it is revealed

hmm let me double check

[acoustic valve]

it literally hasn't, there are speculations, educated guesses from lawyers, but speculations nevertheless

[old cypress]

I have the standardized contract somewhere i could check but it's late asf

[acoustic valve]

but it's safe to say it's an amount the girls will never be able to pay

[old cypress]

Idk the penalty fee but the details of the shareholder agreement were leaked to the press

In any case it doesn't matter how much the penalty fee is

Point is hybe will have to spend huge amounts of money unless they fire MHJ. Because HYBE has a call option where they can buy MHJ's shares for dirt cheap if MHJ fails to complete her CEO tenure

so if MHJ gets fired, hybe is allowed to exercise the call option and buy MHJ's shares for a bargain and thus save massive amounts of money

That's the only reason hybe is doing all that

Even willing to risk tarnishing their reputation

[lethal hound]

The calculation is based on industry standards and contractual obligations. The penalty is calculated as the average monthly sales for the previous two years as of the time of contract termination multiplied by the number of months remaining in the contract

[old cypress]

ok so it's different

[lethal hound]

yeah

looked similar

[opaque torrent]

koreans know this but international fans refuse to even entertain anything beyond the shaman and kakao talk nonsense lol

[old cypress]

well ifans are a lost cause

[opaque torrent]

truly everything hybe has accused mhj of has been an admission of their conspiracy against her

illit was an experiment to see if they could have their own newjeans

and once they have it, they moved forward with their plan to smear and fire her publicly

[old cypress]

Probably

[opaque torrent]

they didnt expect the public to do a 180 so fast

[old cypress]

In any case, all it takes is a renegotiation where mhj gives up the put option and maybe sell shares back to hybe and HYBE will no longer have a financial incentive to fire MHJ

then all is left is ego and whatever

[opaque torrent]

but thats her protection no? if they decide to dismiss her again, they can bc its their right

i dont think they care of nj does well or not

[old cypress]

same as now no? The protection didn't really work

[opaque torrent]

but at least now she can leave with lots of money. without it, she has nothing

[old cypress]

no because she gets nothing if she gets fired before the end of her tenure

rn if mhj get fired, she will get pretty much nothing

[opaque torrent]

thats what im saying. theres not much that assures me that she wont be dismissed before her contract again

[old cypress]

hybe probably likes money more, it's not in their best interests to fire mhj

[opaque torrent]

but right now she has a case that its a wrongful dismissal and with her put option and the legal protection, she will have insurance if she leaves. she won't have that if she gives it up and the same situation happens again

[old cypress]

she doesn't have insurance, she loses most of her shares if she gets fired. She can countersue but who knows what will happen

[opaque torrent]

idk it seems like they're completely done with her and newjeans now that any gg they put out tops the charts and has monster sales

bts will be back too

[old cypress]

it's always more money, and ador has been a lot more profitable than soumu iirc

companies like hybe want perpetual growth

beating revenue and eps that's all it's about

especially since 60+% of hybe is owned by outside investors

[dry atlas]

seeing the yt credits copy thing

and how the other side is focusing on the links instead of these lines

Producer:
MV director:

my head hurts

[short laurel]

We discussed kdrama on this drama. Live story of mhj to time travel of mhj to teach bang some manners

[short laurel]

Still doesn't make it any less creepy.

[short laurel]

60% of hybe shareholders kick bang out already

[sterile umbra]

that would be the downfall of hybe lmao

[sterile umbra]

is that true?

if that's true, then the highly favored would be mhj

[short laurel]

True what? I m just pray for that to happen. But no info about what hybe shareholders doing

[sterile umbra]

it's like a cartoon show, bangpd is Him, while mhj and nj are the Powerpuff Girls

[opaque torrent]

its always going be really difficult to remove a man in power anywhere in the world but esp in korea. their patriarchal and hierarchal system makes it nearly impossible. i always think back to the research on why korean airlines had too many plane crashes. they were too afraid to speak up against their male pilots or the captains are too proud to heed cautions from lower ranking staff

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impact_of_culture_on_aviation_safety

your average male shareholder is going to side with bang pd over a woman even if he loses all their money

[dry atlas]

are you the guy who makes ppg fanart on x

[steep torrent]

anyone know how this is calculated
https://x.com/MarkJP1008/status/1789457680610001012

Mark (@MarkJP1008) on X

Girl Group Brands Reputation May 2024

#20 #NewJeans #뉴진스 / (#7 April 2024)

#NewJeans_is_Everywhere
#Hanni #Minji #Haerin #Hyein #Danielle

Twitter · May 12, 2024, 12:48 AM

being in the top 10 for like the past year but now below rocket punch is crazy lol

[acoustic valve]

I presume it heavily weighs controversy negatively, which is why it's like this now. Minji and Danielle suffered similar issues on this list when they had their minor controversies

or maybe hybe just paid some1 off, who knows

[steep torrent]

read its just a man behind the list

why is it even so popular

[acoustic valve]

nah it's an private company that parses through meta data using it's own proprietary algorithm to get its results... at least those are its claims. If you want an investigative takedown of it kpop daisuki has you covered:
https://kpop.daisuki.com.br/en/articles/why-brand-reputation-rankings-are-a-farse.html

[opaque torrent]

i've noticed wonyoung rarely cracks the top ten of these lists so they are a lie lol

[hoary frost]

this is true

negative press affects a lot.

[hoary frost]

just bragging rights. at some point it was massively manipulated by boy group fandoms by pushing positive articles on top

[lethal hound]

i agree its very unusual and might be abuse

[arctic sky]

Just because their brand has declined doesn't mean their influence has declined. I won't give too much emphasis on it and it will go up once we have our CB.

[short laurel]

Tell me just 1 competition contest thing in kpop that is even reportly fair

[dry atlas]

mma

coz we won that

[half knot]

there are definitely some awards with more legitimacy and prestige than others

brand reputation rankings is pretty close to nonsense and borderline fraud. they don't just do entertainment related rankings, they do all kinds of other brands and consumer products too, and have been caught in scandals many times. their reputation rankings has no transparency and is basically a blackbox algorithm at best or madeup on a whim at worst.

so whether your favorite idol or group ranks high or low on that list is really irrelevant and only useful for twitter bragging brownie points.

[serene cloud]

brand reputation is as meaningless as those titles people fight over - i prefer daesangs instead

[valid sierra]

i want ador be intact. pls hire jayoma

[short laurel]

bad mel

[short laurel]

still other than kma i lost trust in every other kpop music award shows. well kma is much more than kpop anyways.

[short laurel]

what we can use to determine popularity is maybe how many brands idols get invited too or ads. atleast in programs like fashion shows like gucci they release how many clicks each guests gets. much more trustable than kpop shows.

[half knot]

you're right to lost trust in these awards shows, most of them are just for these stars to dress pretty and pat each other on the back anyway lol

[opaque torrent]

i tune in for the performances

even the grammys is shit and full of politics

[hoary frost]

"Intentionally, the first thing agencies usually do is cutting off contact between celebrities and their parents/close friends. However, Min Hee-jin has insisted that the members should spend time with her parents and family at least once a month. This would never happen in a typically - they separate them. It's normal. "

"Usually when parents express dissatisfaction, agencies tend to dismiss it as parents being greedy or having complaints due to greed. But that's not the case here. By looking at the parents' attitude, you can tell who's at fault from the perspective of a singer."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dg8iVR3b-3A

[hoary frost]

She's been out of the industry for years now so I'm sure they're more relaxed on relationships nowadays, but the second point stood out to me.

[dry atlas]

Where's the source on the first paragraph about mhj

If it's the yt link, mb coz it's not subbed lol

[hoary frost]

yt link haha

[dry atlas]

Where'd she get that info

[hoary frost]

she's an ex-kpop idol

[dry atlas]

Is it in an old interview somewhere

[hoary frost]

no she was saying that she can talk about this now since shes out of that industry

[dry atlas]

Oh was she under mhj before?

Weird how her vids have eng titles but no subs

[hoary frost]

idk but i couldn't find much info abt her, her last song released was 2006

[hoary frost]

she said she was from an english speaking country before her debut, now she teaches english

[dry atlas]

However, Min Hee-jin has insisted that the members should spend time with her parents and family at least once a month. This would never happen in a typically - they separate them. It's normal.

just that this part seems like insider info that warrants a source... while i don't doubt its veracity, source is good haha

[hoary frost]

oh that part. i feel like there should be a source for that somewhere

"They just keep media playing that they meet their parents once a month and give a vacation every week."

comment from 3 weeks ago - idk where they heard that too but I cant find any articles abt it tho

doubt there is any official source about it. probably insider info or assumption because we also can see that newjeans spends more time w their parents than their peers tbh

i can vaguely remember that they had vacation or went back to their homes/families every time they finished promo

i think when it comes to meeting family, foreign idols have it worst. so i was really happy for dani and hanni when they went back to australia

niki said he saw his family 3 years after debut. i cant understand how this can happen.

kpop trains and debuts minors/teens. the system is also harsh, not only mentally but physically. I understand that they are busy and have to work hard, but giving them one week vacation and opportunity to meet families is more productive for their well being

i pray that these kind of benefits are not taken away from the girls.

[old cypress]

they can't, 49% of hybe is public float, small shareholders like you and me. Only bigger and registered shareholders can vote. So about 51% of the shareholders can vote and BSH owns 31% of HYBE. That's about 62% of the voting pool. Thus he has the majority and will win most votes.

[hoary frost]

how many percent of shares does one need to be eligible to vote? i was reading some novel before and it was 2% or something. is there such a threshold?

[old cypress]

It depends but one thing is sure, you need to be registered in the company books so the public float def cannot vote

[hoary frost]

in this case can scooter vote? are these people registered since the names are showing?

[old cypress]

I'm not sure, I only know that those not on the list cannot vote

[hoary frost]

regardless, you are right. general shareholders meeting is basically formality, she is dismissed if she does not win injunction

[hoary frost]

lol u reminded me of the stock scene in itaewon class

my mood:

[old cypress]

well the general shareholders meeting is ADOR's so HYBE CEO (or whoever representing him) will be the one casting the votes

hybe shareholders won't be convened since it's not a hybe meeting

[hoary frost]

May 31 one?

[old cypress]

yeah, it's gonna be mhj, the other execs and someone representing hybe

[hoary frost]

Wait...was not that May 10 meeting. I thought May 31 was HYBE's. im confusion

[old cypress]

May 10 meeting is ADOR's board of directors meeting, so no hybe there

[short laurel]

i find it disgusting that entertainment industry separate minors from their parents and cut off contact completely.

[old cypress]

may 31 is ADOR's shareholders meeting

[short laurel]

gfriend case was horrible how sumu cut them off their family

[hoary frost]

does "no hybe" mean that hybe representative who is part of BOD did not participate ?

[old cypress]

There's no hybe representative that is part of the BOD currently. The current BOD is MHJ and the other 2 ador execs

[arctic sky]

There's an auditor from Hybe reps presents

[old cypress]

yeah just an auditor to take notes. That's why hybe went to court to force ador bod to call a general meeting

[hoary frost]

pretty sure there was 5 ppl in bod. 3 ador, 1 auditor and 1 hybe rep. tmikpop reported so

[short laurel]

more productive and more motivating for young trainees.

[old cypress]

Possibly but the bod is just the three ADOR execs

The board of directors currently includes CEO Min Hee Jin, Vice President Shin, and Creative Director Kim.

[orchid field]

this guy again bts fan acc that managed to rebrand into a "reliable" translation acc

[hoary frost]

3 vs 5. either way it does not matter

[old cypress]

yep does not matter

[hoary frost]

so if mhj loses injunction, may 31 meeting will be held. as hybe owns 80%, she is done for

[old cypress]

yeah checkmate for hybe