NJZ Updates and Discussion

[red shore]

I agree with this. Sending them out with little training when LSF had JUST been through the whole bad encore scandal was a terrible move on Hybe's part. I also feel like some of the members were nervous and scared and it contributed to the unstable vocals

[short laurel]

lsf debut was rushed too.

[hoary frost]

Again, LSF and Illit similarities - they needed more vocal training. But were rushed out because why? Money

[short laurel]

Nj were properly prepared yet pushed aside

I really like the 1st comment of this video (not pinned one)

[hoary frost]

• Hyein came up with the idea of no teasers before their debut because they had no other option. Its really evident when you look at it on the timeline.

[hoary frost]

this comment? "So, if a wealthy capitalist asks an artist to paint a picture, pays them money for art supplies and a monthly fee for painting, but then tries to profit by replicating the painting exactly, would the artist feel happy? Since all the money needed for painting came from the capitalist, does that mean the creator is nothing?"

[short laurel]

Yea this comment.

[opaque torrent]

Well there are a lot of behind the scenes drama we’re not aware of. Before MHJ revealed it at her press conference, we didn’t know that Bang PD was on the verge of scrapping NJ altogether and that they might have not debuted at all. A label rarely debuts more than one group in a short amount of time and le Sserafim was bang pd’s priority, that’s why she had to form ador to debut them

And a label mate plagiarizing when they’re under the same company is cannibalism. If Illit was going to have overlapping concepts and promotions with newjeans, that hurts NewJeans esp when bang pd has shown his prejudice towards the group already.

And from MHJ’s kakao talk presentation, there was a screenshot of a conversation where she scolded HYBE CEO park Ji won for interfering with an Apple event and didn’t want NJ to have it

It is not about le sserafim debuting first. It’s about the lack of trust in her, interference and perhaps even sabotage of NewJeans conception and promotions

[hoary frost]

We can deduct from the texts here that Hybe tried to give the apple event to another group by pressuring her to give it up

[opaque torrent]

Is the possibility of not debuting at all a luxury? NJ gets to enjoy those privileges bc their CEO demanded it and fought for it every step of the way. Now it seems like they’re getting rid of her after creating a similar group.

[hoary frost]

• you can see that they were threatening her with "breach of trust" even last year

[opaque torrent]

Ador has made back their debt and more. They don’t know HYBE shit except adhering to contract conditions, which they have been doing.

Why are people acting like HYBE is a nonprofit? lol

[red shore]

It's something almost every trainee has to deal with. Debut is never promised unless you are literally filming and posting the content. Debuts can be delayed and even canceled for a variety of reasons, some of which are no one's fault. Like stayc was supposed to have a 7th member but because of visa issues and the pandemic she was cut out. In Njs case, they got their debut and a whole lot of promotions.

How many other trainees think they are debuting then miss the chance completely? They don't get a highly praised debut after a two month delay, they get nothing but broken dreams

[opaque torrent]

Yah and I would consider that a shitty ass situation for them too

NJ fought for their debut, made back their debt and the parent company doesn’t respect that with constant interference and now creating a GG inspired by them that rivals them under the same company

You have to look at it from the POV of a creative. HYBE only cares about profits bc either way, they’re going to make money. MHJ prioritizes each groups unique identity.

[waxen musk]

I won't lie but so much has happened and the start of this feels like forever ago so my memory is completely effed but what caused Hybe to start wanting MHJ out in the first place?

[hoary frost]

• theres a difference between being a trainee and being a debut team. the specific 5 girls were together for 2-3 years, practicing attention and hype boy. they auditioned and were picked by Min Heejin for debut.

[twin cypress]

mhj probably pushed them over the edge bringing up illit copying and they proabbly want to control newjeans so that they can push out music faster. thats what i think happened

[acoustic valve]

Office politics + MHJ sent an internal report complaining about her issues with the way "multi-label" was working under Hybe; she wasn't happy with it and probably quite scathing

[waxen musk]

Yeah I kept seeing the criticism of MHJ on Twitter saying she "started it by complaining" and I wanted to check in here because like I said my memory doesn't work. Of course I sympathise with her but I did wonder if that was even true in the first place.

[hoary frost]

well its clear that they didn't get along since years ago + texts show that she was threatened with "breach of trust" even earlier. My assumption is that they finally got enough of her shit so they planned to manipulate the media to start a witch-hunt so that she resigns - saving the company 80 million dollars.

[acoustic valve]

technically she started it, but it was an internal report. That's how you're meant to do with problems that arise as professionally as possible. Hybe suddenly accusing her of breach of trust in order to kick her out (without paying her) and making a literal media circus out of it was petty and pathetic

[short laurel]

Sometimes i wish that bts members never renewed. Then I'd like to c how hybe survives

[hoary frost]

but the internal report struck bang PD's nerve since illit is HIS group.

[waxen musk]

Ok I get why people are pissed off with her then saying she should have just kept her mouth shut but like I said I at least sympathise with her and don't agree. It's a tough one. I see both sides for people who support her and who don't (who are actual Tokkis and not Hybe supporters).

[twin cypress]

nah she was in her right to bring up illit copying because as a representative for the girls and their parents it was a concern that i think the parents brought up

[hoary frost]

But from the press conference you can just see that she's not someone who just stands there taking injustices. She's the type to stand up for herself. I don't agree how you think that she should have kept her mouth shut

[short laurel]

It's fine to not agree with her but i have problems with people who siding with hybe. Regardless if how we feel it's obvious hybe is bigger evil

[waxen musk]

No no no I'm not saying she should have kept her mouth shut. I'm saying that's what I keep seeing some people saying. I need to make that clear lol.

[acoustic valve]

• why people are pissed off with her then saying she should have just kept her mouth shut* - Stupidest stan perspective I've ever seen. She was quite literally doing her job. If she sees a fundamental problem with Hybe's operation that not only negative affects Ador's ability to operate, but arguably also Hybe's as a whole. She is quite literally obligated to speak up on it and would be neglecting her duties if not... granted many would not because they're spineless yes men which is the norm, but to celebrate that is just sad

[short laurel]

There are alot of opinions based on mistranslated source or insufficient research or just based on media play.

[waxen musk]

I'm aware. It's just all muddled in my head unclear and when I see Twitter comments I start to doubt my poor memory lol.

[short laurel]

Even among koreans

[twin cypress]

the best thing that happened was this drake vs kendrick lamar beef because i no longer have to see people's bad opinions on the mhj situation on twitter or tik tok

[short laurel]

No matter what happens. English speaking audience will always have bad opinion on mhj. All cuz of years of baseless rumours

While hybe will be continued to be protected by their huge zombie army.

[waxen musk]

I won't lie it's hard to not at least consider how things would be for NewJeans if MHJ never spoke up. Because with all the success they've seen despite Hybe not helping (or perhaps hindering) you could see the same success continue. This is something that may torment me but we'll never know. Either way I'm on the side of appreciating her wanting to speak up and to make things better for NewJeans but Hybe is just showing how effed up they are and will likely make it worse.

[short laurel]

Hybe overwork their idols. We not want them to do this with nj too

[hoary frost]

imo this was just a matter of time. They already created Newjeans 2.0. They were just waiting to strike

[twin cypress]

too bad they cant be newjeans 2.0 cause they dont have mhj genius lmao

[short laurel]

Mhj speaking up might actually make hybe under radar of gp if they mistreating nj if mhk got kicked

[red shore]

Hybe owns majority of Ador, they're allowed to interfere with things. The fact that MHJ was even allowed to rebel and go against them is unusual, in other companies she would not have all the things she has now.

[short laurel]

That's not how it works. What hybe did goes against any companies policies. They made competition of their own product.

[dry atlas]

wow removing level requirement was nice, keeps you guys on your toes

[hoary frost]

... is this why

[short laurel]

Owning majority of shares doesn't mean u can do whatever you want without a valid reason n hybe has no valid reason while mhj does

[waxen musk]

*that we know of

[short laurel]

Hate u for this.

[dry atlas]

not really because it was affecting other threads as well. cant limit access to only one thread...

[short laurel]

Making competing product of their own product is breach of trust all together

[acoustic valve]

Things would have probably been better short-term... but that's lowkey victim blaming. Pointing out in an internal report how Bang's new group under a sister label is negatively affecting NJ's brand and image is not wrong at all, it's her job. It's like telling an abused wife "He would not have hit you with the bottle if you didn't talk back"

[waxen musk]

What are the point of threads btw. What makes them different from regular channels. (Off topic but I seriously don't know the difference lol.)

[red shore]

That is how it works when they own 80% of Ador. They are allowed to make decisions since they basically own it. MHJ was even allowed independence which like I said isn't common. And I say again Illit isn't the same as NJ, they are dreamcore. There are clear differences

[twin cypress]

illit riding the wave newjeans created

[short laurel]

Again go n look up their promotion materials

[hoary frost]

Repeating myself:
Look. You might feel that way, but the overwhelming majority opinion is that if you look at Newjeans and Illit side by side, they seem like they would be under the same label. You wouldn't think that enhyphen and illit are from the same label.

[waxen musk]

I know I agree with you. It's just like I said it's hard to not at least think "oh she should suffer and be miserable/abused (if you want to use such a strong word)" just to keep things how they have been (successful). I hate thinking this way but I at least have to think it out loud, so sorry for that.

[short laurel]

N no. Owning 80% doesn't mean u can do whatever u want. Specially when it's killing the company. There are laws n contracts on what they can n can't do

[hoary frost]

That's not how a "multi-label" system is supposed to work. They're supposed to have independence from one another.

[short laurel]

If hybe could do whatever they want. Mhj would have already been out without any public drama n we would learn about her getting kicked way later

[acoustic valve]

Just remember it's not only her suffering under this perceived injustice, it's the entire team at ador and the girls themselves. She's arguably speaking up for them just as much as herself, which is her job as the leader. I will say, her greatest failing for me is in not anticipating just how much contempt Hybe held for Ador and NJ, enough to go through with this whole farce and ordeal in order to push her out and punish them.

[twin cypress]

idk why kpop fans think that the head label fully controls all the decisions made by labels under them and its all peaceful. in the US people understand you can be from the same head label (UMG) and have a beef like kendrick(pgLang/Interscope) vs drake(ovo)

ador has always wanted to be free to operate by themselves

[hoary frost]

Its because this "multi-label" system is new to the kpop world. YG, SM - they don't do this.

[short laurel]

If there's no independence then it's just like sm, yg, etc but just different tag. Which is what hybe is considering how bang has his nose everywhere

It's so funny that they market as giving each label independence

[acoustic valve]

Parent companies also have a fiduciary duty to be as fair as possible with the way they manage subsidiary companies. Hybe can't just do whatever they want with a subsidiary because they own the majority of the shares

Don't make subsidiary companies if you expect one team to just "fall on the sword" for the corporation as a whole; just make departments like every other kpop company

[short laurel]

Even in departments employees has more freedom n less involvement of higher ups. In hybe chairman nose is everywhere 💀

[red shore]

my response to this probably didn't send because my wifi is shit, but that opinion is wrong. The two have very different styles, this is as clear as the nose on your face. Illit is more childish and dreamy, they even have superpowers whereas NJ are supposed to be your average teenage classmates in school. Nothing abnormal or superhuman about them. This is obvious

[red shore]

And they didn't just do whatever they want did they? If not MHJ would have mentioned that. So far all we have is "NJ were promised to debut first, but instead we got a slightly delayed but very successful debut"

[short laurel]

Did u purposely not read everything that we said?

[dry atlas]

Your opinion is that
theyre not similar, while I've seen so many comments saying the opposite. Both can be true at the same time you dont have to agree

But the sentiment is out there even before this drama

[hoary frost]

But her point was that it wasn't just the concept. Hair, makeup, outfits, choreo, photoshoots, videography, event appearance, etc. They used the same formula. Compare the belift lab audition posters the ones she used to audition Newjeans. Compare the hanbok photos they took. Compare the choreo. Look at how newjeans debuted - by going on Chanels fashion event. What did illit do? Appeared on Acne studios fashion week.

[short laurel]

What gets me is they saying nj is y2k n nj is teenagers in school. Nj has done more than just these 2.

[acoustic valve]

The thing is, none of this would have went public and remained an internal issue at Hybe if Bang PD and Park Jiwon didn't try to publicly lynch MHJ. The same as any internal disagreements within any large company, these things happen everyday.

[waxen musk]

I have the opinion that both NJ and ILLIT can exist and be successful because they are different enough but it's hard to refuse all the literal similaries that enh3244 listed above.

[short laurel]

They could but market will be saturated quickly if everyone making things not just similar competition but their own groups which are not even 2 years old.

World already call all bg as bts. N all gg as black pink. Illit will just be called nj

[waxen musk]

I also feel like whoever copies NJ and becomes successful will only be doing so temporarily (for the next 12 months max) and that NJ will be doing their own new things regardless of copycats.

[short laurel]

Fair

[acoustic valve]

I think illit and NJ can do fine simultaneously too, I just also think that Ador is within their rights to advocate for and protect their idols and branding as much as possible. Bringing up their issues internally and trying to resolve it is not only the right thing to do, it's quite literally mhj's duty, she's meant to be looking after and protecting the interests of everyone at ador, including the members.

Of course, Belift or BSH might disagree, but the way they've reacted to it is objectively pathetic and wrong.

[opaque torrent]

Ok she wanted to quit after bang pd wanted her to debut le sserafim and only stayed with ador bc bang pd said she would have creative autonomy and if she had any complaints, she should speak her mind. She did and they publicly smeared her. They could’ve just said no and moved on but they went to media to humiliate her as much as they can while demanding her resignation so of course she retaliated publicly too. It’s been HYBE who’s been the aggressor.

[hoary frost]

So much misinformation has been spread... its like dealing with a wildfire 🧯

[opaque torrent]

Idk why you keep going back to the issue being “who debuts first” when she made it clear their debut was on the line and that’s why she created ador. MHJ formed NJ and was then told to debut a group with Sakura and Chaewon first. Then even after she had ador, HYBE still wanted to promote LSFM with her name-when her group was disposable to them. That’s the start of her mistrust towards them and rightfully so.

[red shore]

Hanbok pics aren't new. NJ choreo is more bouncy and energetic, the focus isn't on being perfect but feeling more like a group of teens dancing and having fun. Illit isn't like that. Idk about the audition posters honestly. But we're talking about the actual groups here so I don't think that matters. NJ doesn't own going to a fashion show before debut?? Hair was the same plain black almost all Korean girls have so no copying there. And NJ have changed hair colours and lengths now. These similarities are so flimsy??

[red shore]

They didn't publicly smear her, they just went public with the audit and it's findings. If what they're saying is the truth then it's not a smear campaign. We can only find that out in court, but even MHJ isn't denying the claims totally, just partially. They say she brought a shaman, she says its just a friend. They say she was talking about leaving Hybe, she says it was just a joke, etc. I don't think Hybe would engage in something this huge with so many consequences if they didn't have a reason

[opaque torrent]

If what they’re saying is the truth they would say it on record in an official HYBE announcement. Instead, they leak bits and bobs here and there, devoid of context, to hide behind the media and avoid a defamation suit

[steep torrent]

hanbok pics arent new but the editorial style they did with newjeans hadn't been done before. i think there was an article sent here a while ago about it but im too lazy to find lol

[hoary frost]

Not new, but look.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/bzXRutYw-KQ
Its not just one 'similarity'.

[acoustic valve]

point above is debatable, I don't agree with it but I can appreciate people holding different perspectives. However, Hybe just did the most blatant smear campaign of media play ever in Kpop. There's literally no arguing against that, to think otherwise just shows hows how deep your agenda lies...

[opaque torrent]

This article explains why NJ’s pictorial was different https://www.koreaboo.com/news/korean-netizens-bring-instances-illit-copying-new-jeans/

[steep torrent]

oh yea they actually went to an actual location too

[red shore]

The fact that she was given such allowances (choosing her own trainees, starting her own label when she didn't like the options at Source) is part of why I'm saying she's had luxuries. And Hybe wanting to promote with her name is questionable, but that promotion didn't happen at the end of the day so why is she even complaining. She still got to promote NJ the way she wanted to.

[red shore]

because why would they put all their evidence out there before a possible court case?? In the 50/50 situation (yes I know it's nothing like this case) all the evidence did not come out until both parties had their day in court. Why would it be different here?

[acoustic valve]

what do u think promotion is? https://www.pannchoa.com/2024/05/instiz-hybe-caught-in-lie-again.html

[hoary frost]

what's with the hanbok picture comparison

as if like 1000000 other groups don't do exactly the same thing

[hoary frost]

did you read the article

well that's knetz not surprising

they will say anything

[acoustic valve]

knetz is 100 times more sane than the average non-korean kpop fan

[hoary frost]

doesn't make them at all normal

[hoary frost]

and where is your consensus coming from? i-netz? what makes you so sure they don't just "say anything"?

[red shore]

...wow. I guess hanbok photoshoots on location belong to NJ only. Because the poses and framing of the pics here are different.

[acoustic valve]

it's not any one thing by itself... it's the combination of everything together

regardless, this is a side issue at this point. The main problem is the way Hybe reacted to it by going on the offensive and publicly smearing Ador and MHJ, rather than deal with it internally like any business does

[red shore]

I've been looking at all the links previously sent but I'm sorry I won't read this. Pannchoa has a horrible reputation for picking and choosing what they translate. I don't trust them.

[twin cypress]

It’s a waste of time talking to old shirt they clearly against mhj and isn’t open minded to conversation

[red shore]

because stayc have also had hanbok videos and stuff on location. I guess they traveled to the future and copied NJ then went back to the past to post the pics

[hoary frost]

then you can look into the sources yourself 👍

[red shore]

Hybe releasing those intial articles (about wanting to fire MHJ) had nothing to do with illit or copying. they laid out the crimes they accused her of. Leaking private info, in house abuse and turning the public against Hybe artists. It was only after this that MHJ mentioned Illit publicly (although she said she sent Hybe an email) and dragged them into this

[twin cypress]

This the comment that made me realize that talking to old shirt is like talking to a wall

[arctic sky]

M0ds should have put level requirement back imo

[lucid yarrow]

if u want to prove a point show the pic of stayc and thier style on hanbok we all open for it we dont know what u talking about

[arctic sky]

Annoying have to read tis kind of comment lol

[red shore]

What I know of MHJ isn't great, she's not a vulnerable idol, so yes I'm allowed to dislike her. That doesn't mean I like Hybe either, I feel nothing about them. I even dislike them sometimes. I just don't like how all of this has played out. Like I mentioned earlier MHJ was accused of serious crimes and her immediate response was to bring a bunch of teenage and young adult girls into it. Girls that had nothing to do with what Hybe accused her of. They were used as distractions. Now instead of discussing the fact that she was accused of abuse we are analyzing fucking hanbok pics and playing spot the difference.

[hoary frost]

Here have a laugh watching people cry over queen of tears
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0Ag1kpU6dE

[acoustic valve]

Believe whatever u want to at this point, I'm tired of talking to a wall, but sincerely; Fck Hybe and all the old soulless decaying farts that run that corporation. They're a scourge upon the earth and destroying the music industry in Korea at the speed of light.

[steep torrent]

lol

[red shore]

https://www.allkpop.com/video/2021/02/stayc-wear-hanbok-and-write-traditional-korean-calligraphy-to-celebrate-lunar-new-year this is their hanbok video. I can't find an article compiling all their hanbok looks (i have to scroll through their insta) but there's this article about hanbok looks that include them as wel as others on location https://www.koreaboo.com/lists/chuseok-2021-girl-group-hanbok-style/

mehn. I thought reddit was exaggerating when they said this server is an echo chamber. I guess they were right

[twin cypress]

She didn’t bring up other idols and groups to send hate to them but instead explain her situation leading up to hybe smear campaign against her…. You would have a point if she was like F lsfm and F illit

Show me any of her statements where she talks negative about another group’s members

Even her illit statement was more about their management and not the girls themselves

[red shore]

illit was not necessary to bring up at all. I understand bringing up lsf but illit has nothing to do with any of this. She only increased the 'nj copy' type of comments they receive now. And I never said she spoke negatively about them, read my words. I said she brought them into something that had nothing to do with them.

[arctic sky]

Yeah u better go back to that cesspool of brainrots suits u

[twin cypress]

YES IT WAS because that’s a crucial piece of WHY hybe wants her gone

[acoustic valve]

oh god they're from reddit no wonder, redditors are legit the most brainwashed demographic on this earth...

[red shore]

hybe wants her gone because illit has debuted? Does that make sense?

[hoary frost]

mods

[red shore]

I like how I've been very civil through out this and you have resorted to name calling. very fair. I'm definitely the one who has brainrot

[twin cypress]

Her raising concerns about the similarities is what made Hybe mad and want mhj gone. WE wouldn’t know any of those statements if Hybe didn’t try to kick mhj out. All of this could’ve been handled outside the public BUT Hybe made it public

[opaque torrent]

Are there more pics? NJ looks like a pictorial w/ an intentional editorial eye while Stacy’s looks like a bunch of girls having fun

[cosmic dagger]

nvm

[twin cypress]

Yes because mhj doesn’t let bang and his crew touch newjeans and force them to release music as much as they want them to so they used her raising concerns of illit as a reason to fire her finally.

[acoustic valve]

just go back to reddit and farm upvotes by saying how much u hate mhj, idek what you're trying to do by bringing up the most obtuse reddit arguments and hybe defenses here... are you just annoyed people don'tbuy into reddit's echo chamber of hybe apologia?

[dry atlas]

reddit echo chamber vs njcord echo chamber

just disengage guys

[acoustic valve]

difference is I don't go to reddit crying about it, because I'm sane

[red shore]

I stated I don't like hybe. in this thread i agreed that they overwork their idols which is wrong. i agreed that them wanting mhj to promote lsf as her own group was wrong. Where am I defending Hybe here?

[acoustic valve]

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[twin cypress]

@red shore you don’t think mhj preventing newjeans from being used for tik tok challenges for lsfm easy comeback and illit’s debut doesn’t piss them off??????

[dry atlas]

if you find them annoying just disengage. i hold the yappers of this thread to a higher standard; if you need mods to help you with that I'll just lock this thread

[steep torrent]

clear difference imo

[red shore]

"If what they're saying is the truth" i said this. I also just said she isn't denying the claims completely which is true. And hybe risked a lot by doing this publicly (which isn't smart btw). I don't imagine they would hurt themselves and potentially one of their biggest groups on a 'what if' or 'maybe'

[red shore]

did hybe mention wanting nj to be used for these? I'm hearing this for the first time. the whole 'nj is kept away from other idols' angle is not one I'm particularly interested in because it doesn't seem that deep.

[cosmic dagger]

yeah i see the difference
in comparison the illit and newjeans one seem similar

[acoustic valve]

I'll be charitable and say I agreed with your latter point at the start too... Until we understood just how petty Bang PD and Park Jiwon is through the stories and texts shown at the press conference. They're clearly capable of acting against their company's wider interests in order to feed their own inflated and fragile egos

[lucid yarrow]

copying nj is not bad its just doing it in same company

and nj didnt even change that much yet

[dry atlas]

imagine yg release baemon as is before blackpink 2nd anniv

it's the same thing

[twin cypress]

It 100% is deep because before illit was announced, newjeans did tik tok challenges with every other hybe groups. After illit was announced, they haven’t been seen with another hybe group. And if you don’t think this important you don’t understand how popular newjeans is as a group compared to illit and lsfm. It’s like saying bts showing up in a debuting boy group isn’t important even though everyone knows it brings so many people’s eyes to the new group.

It’s also important for bang to have these groups collaborating because it paints a picture of family and unity. If newjeans collabed instantly with illit people wouldn’t have even care about illit copying because it would be like “if newjeans doesn’t mind the similarities why should I”

[red shore]

I know how popular nj is. i just called them one of Hybe's biggest groups. But tiktok challenges are not deep. And if we come from this angle then Ador deliberately kept them away from other groups after illit's announcement for...what purpose? To punish Hybe I guess?

[dry atlas]

sorry this is kinda weak, nj in general just doesn't do challenges much

[quick wadi]

can I press some buttons ?

[twin cypress]

You might say it’s not deep it’s just tik tok but in mhj position this might have been the only and probably safest option she could’ve done to punish hybe for infringing on her group with illit. I’ll take my statements back once I see them collabing again with hybe groups because this is a thing I noticed and people don’t mention

[cerulean sail]

There is a Kakaotalk message showing Park Jiwon, Hybe CEO, threatening MHJ to take Apple sponsorship away from NJ. MHJ then said she had many examples of conflict / sabotage like this one, but only showed that one at the press conference.

[acoustic valve]

I wouldn't consider it "punishing hybe", I think it just plays into NJ's eclusivity image to not do as many challenges as possible, which is the usual for most kpop groups.
Then again, I thought NJ not appearing on broadcast variety shows was for the same reason, but it's coming out that there might've been other reasons for that such as Hybe inteference, so I'm really not sure now... Don't think it's too relevant either ways unless it's used in a mistreatment suit of some sort with evidence backing the claims atp

[opaque torrent]

ok then you should wait for the police report and their conclusion bc the material that lend to speculatory reporting and the contextless leaks don't qualify as 'breach of trust'. this is the prevailing opinion of korean legal experts, not kpop stans. and even some of the content in the kkt chats that have a plan of diluting hybe's shares by courting new investors, even if that were to be carried out, it is not illegal.

[twin cypress]

But in that statement you are saying newjeans wants to keep up exclusivity as much as possible. Wouldn’t that be against Bang/Hybe’s interest of being able to use all their assets however they want? Just some food for thought.

[cerulean sail]

What is also apparently unusual for many Kpop groups is to take lessons and improve their skills
I'd rather Newjeans spend time on that than making tiktok videos, work on their own dances than learning other groups' dances

[acoustic valve]

Ador's responsibility is to maximize NJ's potential, not Hybe as a whole (which is Park Jiwon's role). So yes, there probably was a clash of interests...

Yeah, reading about how the idols have turned making endless challenges a chore kinda sucks what little enjoyment I got from them initially out of it

[short laurel]

Balloon man 😂

I find it funny how someone here said "i won't read this. pann horrible reputation for picking n choosing what they translate" then proceed to post koreaboo n allkpop 😂

N mel is right. Both reddit n discord here are echo chambers. Difference is 1 echo chamber (reddit) works on believing media play.

[short laurel]

Unusual? I know sm idols take lessons even after debut. Jyp idols have options to go take lessons. Nugu groups for sure take lessons. So is it really unusual?
Also they all atleast go through year or more of training be4 debut.

[grim shell]

Shouldn't NewJeans be making high budget movies by now? I should be in charge of Ador

[hoary frost]

re: belift repeated same promotional methods as ador. some styling and choreo similarities were probably noise marketing that backfired. you can say that other groups have done one or two things mentioned here, but find me a group that has done all the things nj has done other than illit? it was clear that belift followed newjeans blueprint and also perfected ador playbook by actually teasing it for weeks instead of surprise debut which is more risky, inviting all top magazines to listening party to increase media visibility, etc. i am sure MHJ can make more cross references between two groups than I can. she doubter hybe's intention to create group whose image overlapped with already existing rookie gg. is it not valid concern? maybe it is not someone sitting across screen, but it is for someone directly involved. it is not group's fault, but did hybe have good intentions? why is not lsfm and nj images overlapping as much as nj and illit? did hybe intentionally do bad job at separating them? i guess its reasonable doubt given relationship between bsh and mhj.

MHJ raised ethical issue which was not handled well by parent company. It is not core of the issue but it is one of the factors along the way that aggravated relationship. the mention of illit was inevitable.

lsfm was inserted by dispatch after their fans tried to victimize whole situation in their favor. it is funny genuinely. all other groups were brought up either by hybe or media on hybe's payroll.

[copper jetty]

Did mods open up the server? Why are these people coming over here???

[copper jetty]

Also just gonna say that they went public with the audit at the beginning, the audit didn't have any result yet and they still went public with it. They might've found things that are incriminating or maybe not, but the conclusion is it's premature.

[short laurel]

pls stop replying to them. just ignore them. they've shown to ignore most of what we said and only selectively read

[hoary frost]

ador bod is held in downtown Seoul? so not in hybe building?

[copper jetty]

No.

[opaque torrent]

https://www.koreaboo.com/news/fromis_9-chaeyoung-heartbreaking-frustration-long-hiatus-leaves-fans-furious-hybe/

[copper jetty]

Does that mean that MHJ is not allowed in hybe building?💀

[hoary frost]

catching up to news

[hoary frost]

maybe 🤷‍♀️

[copper jetty]

Yeah. Chaeyoung apologized for that too right after

[tiny peak]

feel so bad for them

[copper jetty]

It's actually the best and the worst time to say that lol

[hoary frost]

when is mhj injunction hearing?

[opaque torrent]

17th

[hoary frost]

ohh okay thanks

[short laurel]

fromis 7 years are almost up right? think they will not renew since they are clearly ignored

[short laurel]

she had zero reason to apologize

[copper jetty]

I think it's better for them to redebut to another agency

[dry atlas]

about the thread access--
i removed level requirement because all other threads are affected. good users cant access the fanmeet or collections thread.
also unless they really trolling, im leaving them in with you guys. it's your choice to engage or not.
you keep saying reddit is an echo chamber, so if i remove them, then it would be same here

[hoary frost]

dw we can overpower

[wet jewel]

i like trolls

[copper jetty]

I like drama more

[short laurel]

yea we understand that. few did come with proper arguments for conversation here. it was jsut that 1 user who selectively read. and people should all stop replying to that.

[copper jetty]

I bring all the Drama mama ma

[short laurel]

they are stuck 1 more year sicne 2018 debut i think if they follow 7 years contract.

[tiny peak]

HYBE is so chart and numbers obssessed it's not looking good

[opaque torrent]

that's another good girl group by pledis gone

[hoary frost]

did not they renew recently

[short laurel]

no idea.

[tiny peak]

right? isn't that why gyuri left

[hoary frost]

yeah. thats my impression

[opaque torrent]

she left at the beginning of the acquisition, before she could know how neglectful hybe can be. i think she wanted to get into acting

[tiny peak]

but i guess she didn't renew?

[opaque torrent]

after school, pristin, fromis9 i genuinely loved all of these girls

[grim shell]

same as any other big kpop agency

[copper jetty]

Frankly speaking I've only heard of fromis_9. I've never seen them. And that just says everything about what hybe is doing to that GG.

[hoary frost]

she left in 2022.

[opaque torrent]

is that not the beginning?

[short laurel]

2018 is debut.

[opaque torrent]

hybe acquisition

[copper jetty]

Wait so this is a whole new contract? Probably another 7 years for them?

[short laurel]

so what i udnerstand is their contract was changed while original didn't expired. and gyuri chose ot transfer instead of siging new one

[hoary frost]

pledis acquired in 2020. fromis transferred to pledis 2021. member left 2022

[tiny peak]

i don't think renewals are necessarily 7 years

[opaque torrent]

but a lot of groups couldnt promo 2020-21... i just think theres no way she would know hybe would be shit then

[copper jetty]

Oh thank God. Cause I feel for them.

[opaque torrent]

but if she had a feeling, good for her lol

[hoary frost]

renewals can be 2-5 years

[short laurel]

ofc. but we don't know what they signed. i was under impression their contract was same from debut. turns out it's not

[copper jetty]

Maybe 4 years then. Someone stated they had a year left

[short laurel]

a year left if it was 2018 contract(assuming it was standard 7 years). but now no idea since it's new contract

[copper jetty]

I feel bad for them. F hybe

[hoary frost]

i saw tweets saying renewal is in 2024

[tiny peak]

and when they announce pledis new girl group ...

[short laurel]

we'll c this year

[copper jetty]

Pledis will have a new GG??

[opaque torrent]

now knowing that nj could've been scrapped, seeing gfriend discarded, trainee A discarded and fromis_9 neglect, how can ppl look at newjeans and not think mhj has a point

[copper jetty]

Lol. Why am I imagining pledis will have either a copy of NJ again or a copy of LSF??

[short laurel]

god. companies debut a new gg like around every 4 year. while hybe 3 gg in less than 2 years and now u guys are thinking they might make 4th?

[short laurel]

@opaque torrent exactly! c this post. (disagree with gfriend decreasing part)

people in her reply were still defending hybe.

[copper jetty]

I don't even understand how people still defend that money making conglomerate.

[opaque torrent]

1b used to buy scooter braun's bullshit could've gone to solidify their current groups' success

[copper jetty]

The fact that they're overworking their idols should be enough. But I guess as long as fans get their content, fuck the idols right??

[short laurel]

even funnier is how army tells bunnies that mhj "wasting bts money". but they not going to say anything about poor investments of hybe. is that not wasting bts money

[tiny peak]

HYBE video game

[short laurel]

rhythm Hive has way too many mechanic to spend money on.

[hoary frost]

ador earned 110b back. how was it a waste. armys are so lol they do nothing but engage in nj hate campaign nowadays. hive mind

[copper jetty]

True

[short laurel]

2 different passes for each group

[copper jetty]

They're camping in NJ accounts as we say lol

[short laurel]

i saw some nj fan account got banned or something?

[copper jetty]

Mass reported probably

[arctic sky]

Nah gyuri left because she wanted to become an actress ,it had nothing to do with pledis or hybe. I know this very well coz im also a flover lol.

[copper jetty]

That's good.

[arctic sky]

but again its sad that fromis being treated like this in the end of the days it's all about business.

[short laurel]

she dodged a bullet.

[copper jetty]

She's doing much better than the other members though.

[opaque torrent]

hybe barely even tries with f9

[arctic sky]

more of pledis but yeah its was more of the same

its not the first time they been neglected

this was the second drought i think iirc before UMW cb

[copper jetty]

I think their last cb didn't really generate much income from hybe.

[tiny peak]

fromis9 has amazing music in spite of HYBE. those girls get attacked so much and HYBE does nothing

[arctic sky]

they had a long of hiatus before they joined hybe

[copper jetty]

But shouldn't neglect also be a breach of trust too??

Imo, they should sue

[short laurel]

i don't think it is

[arctic sky]

yeah exactly thats why they been promoting UMW and performing in alot of festivals to make up for all of that but again it's all about business like i said earlier.

[short laurel]

then there's svt's 3rd lightstick incident

fans didn't like it at all yet they disabled previous 2 and pushed with 3rd

[grim shell]

Was there a scandal over newjeans lightsticks?

[short laurel]

no?

[copper jetty]

Was there?

[opaque torrent]

just people not getting it

[copper jetty]

Oh wait

Is this about the riize shrimp lightstick

[short laurel]

people not getting it is not a scandal

[copper jetty]

That was just Ifans. Don't mind them.

[valid sierra]

twt tokkis gotta be the strongest people. they are now fighting against armys. damn

[copper jetty]

Yeah. They said armys be camping in their Twitter thread now. Lol

[valid sierra]

i think rn, armys posts more than tokkis about NJ

[lucid yarrow]

why are they there to support bts or hybe?

[short laurel]

they think hybe belongs to bts alone since it's built on their money.

[opaque torrent]

armys logic seems to hinge on 'since bts had to suffer and was oppressed, everyone else has to, too'. they were shitty during 5050 fight too

[short laurel]

but they will hate on hybe if bts members are not treated right. they used to support mhj when issue come from outside hybe but turn 180 degree when issue com from hybe

[valid sierra]

armys really wanna be part of every mess in kpop. and they wonder why everyone hates that fandom

[copper jetty]

Both them and the color color fandom really.

[opaque torrent]

creatives and low level staff demanding fair pay and treatment having to get validation from armys lol im sure that's what bts would want. their struggle and hard work getting co-opted to justify upper management tyranny

[short laurel]

even if there isn't a mess. they will make it a mess. there was once army accoutns hating on seulgi of all people. all of kpop fandom come together n ripped those army accounts apart.

[grim shell]

ew company stans, new ick unlocked

[opaque torrent]

omg excuse me? that's my woman

glad i missed this

[short laurel]

no. u should've seen that twter drama. all of kpop joined together for seulgi. it was nice to watch

[opaque torrent]

what i hate about armys is that they refuse to believe luck had any part to do with bts' break through. bts are just the most talented and hardworking. everyone else is privileged and entitled.

[opaque torrent]

its hard to imagine picking bones with the most unproblematic idol in the history of idols lol wtf were they onnnn

[short laurel]

ikr.

[lucid yarrow]

ok let get rid of bts fans getting con into the argument but now bc its bts money that reason they want help hybe ok....

[acoustic valve]

tbf that's just another facet of a far wider societal and political debate... we'll likely never see the end of it, not within our lifetimes anyway

eta: 99% of armies won't like the implications of what they're suggesting though so it's funny

[short laurel]

that's the excuse army used for every hybe related drama.

[valid sierra]

they shouldnt talk about money because the 16B hybe invested in ADOR is now worth 200B+

[opaque torrent]

it's the sibling mentality to stans moralizing their opinions. nothing is a preference. if they dislike something, it's because there had to be something wrong with it.

the world revolves around them and their faves

[acoustic valve]

true, they don't rly understand or care about the underlying logic of any of their arguements. It's all based on whichever argument or logic makes their favs look better, so it is extremely silly

[lucid yarrow]

how long did rm album release date get set? friday is good day for music charts. Is it just a coincident its same as nj or its hybe just wanting more beef with ador?? is that really not damaging thier company profits??

[neon kelp]

https://youtu.be/6TfJBYlkftQ?si=WkR8b9bG5LaNFH9z

[opaque torrent]

Rm is so different from NJ so it’s ok. MHJ was even ok with his release date.

I don’t think there’s anything sus there

[dry atlas]

i don't think there's any overlap at all between rm fans and nj fans. if there are they're the nice non toxic multistans

[short laurel]

the only overlap would be mushow wins. rm gonna take them all

[dry atlas]

also nj will top the charts regardless

[hoary frost]

yeah. tbh i think ador had date set first, but they don't care if other hybe acts release on same day.

[dry atlas]

https://fxtwitter.com/leshrimpseafood/status/1788451751638847520?t=FW6vMvcbnvi2DNQQdXKK8g&s=19

do you think new jeans was a stylistic choice or budgetary constraints

i mean they included the hybe hq wall in the photos 🤣

[short laurel]

https://twitter.com/hautemogul/status/1788456154370035966

⋆ (@hautemogul) on X

@leshrimpseafood I saw a thread on the artists that worked on their debut and they spent a good chunk of their money on their graphic animation.

Twitter · May 9, 2024, 6:29 AM

[short laurel]

it could be both. a creative mind can do amazing things even with really low budget.

[dry atlas]

true

it's just fun seeing these and other debut stuff in a new light even if it may not necessarily be true

[short laurel]

especially considering how each of their songs are mv. and some multiple mv for 1 song.

other groups do much less with more budget

[hoary frost]

IMO money was spent on phoning (probably a lot), mvs and gfx.

as for concept pictures, nj concepts are very straightforward. other groups hire 4 different photographers to make fancy concept pics that have usually nothing to do with actual mv and album concept. nj concept pics are more connected to the mvs and album concept and are taken directly on mv sets or in studios or some homes.

[dry atlas]

even compared to their later albums, debut photos look a bit rough

[hoary frost]

yeah i agree

[vapid bronze]

[tiny peak]

remember their bad quality early tiktoks, i loved those so much

[acoustic valve]

The phoning app probably didn't cost much or anything at all, from the debut budget anyway. It's almost definitely a license(similar to subscription, but for companies) deal with Weverse. Inc.

[arctic sky]

https://www.pannchoa.com/2024/05/instiz-winter-takes-jab-at-hybe.html

Nice jab

[short laurel]

there's still huge cost for making a separate app and backend for it for a group that the comany thought wouldn't succedd.

[lucid yarrow]

is there a reason aespa cb so close to nj? hybe has thier hand in sm so they know thier release date right?

[short laurel]

no. that's just coincident. SM is known for having bad cb dates for their idols everytime.

[acoustic valve]

ador likely doesn't own any of Phoning's IP beyond the name itself, the actual app and all its code still belongs to Weverse and Ador probably didn't have to pay for its development, not directly anyway. Similar way Kick pays Amazon every month to basically use a re-skinned Twitch.

[short laurel]

yea but there still money involved. it's not as much as xzynyn think but still not as little is your comment make it sound. since it's still an exclusive app for NJ.

[acoustic valve]

The context was debut budget, phoning would not have impacted it much or at all if it was a licensing deal (which it probably is). That was the point

[lucid yarrow]

still find it sus too much coincident either hybe set up nj to fail then get mhj take fall who knows im just think stupid shit if they never had those notes

[short laurel]

nha that's stretching it. hybe doesn't have that much of stake in SM to control anything. NJ release date was decided by MHJ not hybe.

SM CB dates are always bad. even their own artists cb are a week after each other. some few days even.

SM scheduling overall has been bad and it's been like that way be4 hybe. not just with hybe groups but other groups too.

[dry atlas]

lmao stop thinking conspiracies

[short laurel]

also jsut like RM and NJ are different. so is aespa and nj. so doesn't really matter if it's on day. it'll only affect mushows but realistically speaking mushows wins are just popularity contest + money from the companies. i.e. fake contests.

[short laurel]

also who said kick is reskinned twitch? all they pay amazon for is aws. it's not even same.

[short laurel]

i guess yea. not much. but not not at all. there was cost cutting in debut content from what we've seen. it's still separate app n there's fees to put on google and apple stores. not much money but still money. weverse wouldn't just make it with a group that hybe thought would fall without getting some money in advance.

[acoustic valve]

It's essentially not that different from other companies paying Weverse for Weverse services. It doesn't make sense for Ador to pay for developing an app they don't even own. That being said, Phoning's services almost definitely costs more every month to use than Weverse, but that's got little to do with debut budgets once again.

And yeah, NJ had some cost-cutting involved with their debut that you normally don't see in debut. But that's more likely because they were also spending more money on promo that other groups normally don't use(or at least before), such as the pop-up and billboards. Not to mention NJ debuted with technically 8 MVs, even if they were smartly budgeted, it still would've cost more than the norm.

As to the main point about them having less overall debut budget than other Hybe GGs... possibly? Not to mention they clearly had less support from Hybe HQ outside of budgeting anyway.

[short laurel]

Dude it's still saperate app. I wrote it already but again why would weverse agree to make a saperate app for a group hybe though would fail. App isn't something that is made in few months it was in development be4 debut. So it does cost money from debut budget.

[hoary frost]

go down stonks

[dry atlas]

board meeting then supernatural concept pics tom

schedule is packed

[hoary frost]

on my way to transform into fly to spy on bod meeting

[short laurel]

if u can do that. spy on hybe board. especially bang. record everything with a tiny camera. get all the dirt

[acoustic valve]

why does any tech company develop any new thing? Weverse and Phoning are different enough apps. This is like asking why facebook owns whatsapp as well.

[short laurel]

whatsapp was a saperate company. facebook brought it.

big tech company not always jsut develop anything new unless money is involved.

[hoary frost]

i just saw that Netmarble sold shares

hence why stonks went down

[acoustic valve]

yeah, they're making hella money off phoning every month rn aren't they? Not to mention it's a service they can now easily reskin for other artists if required. Curious why they aren't though, likely still not as profitable for Ador as just using weverse

[short laurel]

again. and again i said it why would they make a saperate app for a group that hybe thought would fail? that nj didn't fail is fine but this is about debut.

[fierce cloak]

oh they keep selling? isnt that look like they wanna get out of hybe lol

[hoary frost]

theyre saying they wont sold remaining shares but they said same thing last year

[fierce cloak]

well hopefully the new shareholders support mhj lol

[hoary frost]

why they picked worst time to sell shares

its funny 😂😂😂

[dry atlas]

if you're gonna continue pls talk about weverse and phoning in dms

[fierce cloak]

maybe they dont have trust in hybe

[acoustic valve]

I feel like you're missing the point. There's no world where Ador goes to Weverse and says "here's a bag of money, please develop this app that you will now own and lease back to me"... Weverse developed the app... meaning they must've saw an opportunity regardless of Hybe's misgivings about NJ's potential.

Maybe it's an app that they've alrdy had mostly developed and was trying to sell but no-one wanted to buy until Ador, who knows

[dry atlas]

who do they sell the shares to

[hoary frost]

not disclosed

[short laurel]

we don't know the details. but still even in that case company doesn't just freely give away their product. it's not just bag of money but a contract they made. they 100% had a deal for this regardless of who ask 1st. and ador is mostly like to pay for it in initial contract. meaning it did cost money.

[hoary frost]

phoning was def ador's idea as it fits whole nj aesthetic. they would seek outside developers even if needed. phoning is just weverse skin. i think they negotiated it in this way. imo it wont be free. its pointless to theorize this as we dont have much info

[short laurel]

problem is phoning is one of the media play as "special treatment for nj"

[hoary frost]

ador can easily debunk it as they know better how it was created and if they paid for it

[acoustic valve]

I mean, of course Ador "paid" for Phoning... Weverse is its own company and doesn't do anything for free for other companies, regardless of whether those companies also belong to Hybe or not. Same way Hybe 360 doesn't give its services for free when Hybe groups go touring. It's just unlikely for this payment to be upfront because Weverse still owns Phoning and is leasing it out to Ador (as you can tell from the app store). But whatever, no idea why it's even that relevant

[short laurel]

cuz u are making it sound like ador didn't pay anything for it. when they did. in debut

[acoustic valve]

show me the contract

[hoary frost]

show me the contract season 3

[short laurel]

shh so u are thinking if u go to a company and say give me this and i'll pay u later. a company would just give it to u?

[acoustic valve]

if you sign a contract that says you have to use this app for X years and X percent of all money generated from this app goes towards the company.... yes, that's quite literally how it works almost all the time unless you're buying the app outright (which ador didn't)

[short laurel]

that still ador giving something. there are advance payment involved.

u can't just make a contract without proving if a comapny can afford it.

[dry atlas]

navier should i lock thread

what do you think

[acoustic valve]

like i said, we don't know for sure without the contract, but that's usually not how it works from my experience... just going to leave it here, believe what u want to

[short laurel]

and for my experience that is how it works.

[hoary frost]

phoning convo is useless so

[dry atlas]

😄

[dry atlas]

board meeting today

[old cypress]

[urban orbit]

oh?

[opaque torrent]

https://x.com/cato_o_o/status/1788600126895702061

Cato_o_o (@cato_o_o) on X

Based on former Kim and Chang attorney’s take, he believes Ador’s request of injunction to stop HYBE’s general shareholder meeting has a higher chance of being denied.

He says the approval or denial of the injunction will be weighed according to the potential damage a

1/

Twitter · May 9, 2024, 4:01 PM

[mild mist]

Which board?

[old cypress]

ador

[vale grove]

Stomach is churning from anxiety

[opaque torrent]

https://www.sway.kr/news/1274

[dry atlas]

holy shit even choi yumi is audited?

they really might gut this team

[opaque torrent]

Abusive ex bf energy

[waxen musk]

wtf is Hybe doing they're not really improving their image lol

[opaque torrent]

They really think they can do anything bc they have BTS

[dry atlas]

related but that billboard shoot from the latest jeans zine wasnt styled by choi yumi

[shut kelp]

can any translate what it says?

[dry atlas]

use Google translate or papago..

[shut kelp]

google translate usually mistranslate it and was wondering if any koreans can make a tldr if thats okay

[waxen musk]

I don't really understand what Hybe has issue with tbh I probably need to reread the article again

[acoustic valve]

DPRH

[shut kelp]

from what i read so far i guess hybe wants to overwork newjeans because they are a money maker

[ruby garden]

following a female employee to their house and demanding their personal phone has to be illegal right?

what is hybe doing?

[short laurel]

Following a female employee. Is auditor a male? Cuz then hybe f ed up.

Ok translation here
https://twitter.com/cato_o_o/status/1788728420815327488?t=_a4BiMez6sYckVj-Qszv0g&s=19

Cato_o_o (@cato_o_o) on X

Article titled

Min Hee-jin's Side: "HYBE, Following Employees of Ador home and audit... Considering Suing for Business Interference"

The legal representative of Min Hee-jin, the CEO of ADOR, the agency of the group 'New Jeans,' protested against HYBE, the parent company

1/

Twitter · May 10, 2024, 12:31 AM

[waxen musk]

That clears up some of the confusion I had but I still don't quite understand why Hybe is claiming is an issue... it all seems perfectly normal how Ador is conducing business for styling.

[old cypress]

feels like they're desperate to find evidence

[ruby garden]

yeah this makes me think hybe does not have a solid case against mhj to establish a breach of trust or whatever they're claiming

[waxen musk]

The timing too seems deliberate.

I'm still gonna wait and see what "evidence" is or isn't found eventually but I don't have confidence for Hybe to find anything with the way they're behaving.

[ruby garden]

i think it's very clear they will proceed with their plan to fire her but are looking for evidence when mhj eventually does sue them back

[short laurel]

Everything else aside. It's huge problem that they followed a female employee to her home. Like that alone is BIG NO NO. Does audit allows one to invade others home. That's breach of privacy. N extremely creepy

[tiny peak]

their style director? I guess ILLIT is preparing for a comeback

[acoustic valve]

There was a change in the payment structure to the stylists within ADOR, Hybe claims it is evidence for embezzlement. Whereas Ador says these changes were clearly reported in personnel records and since the change doesn't affect Ador financially, it's ridiculous to claim it is "embezzlement"

[waxen musk]

Yeah... I still don't really get why Hybe thinks the way they do regarding that. Hybe's logic doesn't make sense to me. Seems fine for Ador.

[tiny peak]

does seem desparate

[acoustic valve]

Seems like they grasping at straws

[dry atlas]

On the 10th, Adore said, "Today, the board of directors decided to hold an extraordinary general meeting of shareholders on May 31st with all members, including auditors, attending," and added, "The agenda for the extraordinary general meeting of shareholders was decided based on the content requested by Hive."
https://www.hankyung.com/article/2024051002227

[waxen musk]

Is that the result of today's meeting (aka it's just finished)?

[dry atlas]

ye'

[dry atlas]

apparently meeting lasted for 10 mins

lol

[waxen musk]

Yeah to be expected.

So MHJ's fate all comes down to the 17th now? And then if that fails she's gone on the 31st...

[dry atlas]

i just want this to be over

[quick wadi]

same

can’t wait for the day this thread is locked forever

[waxen musk]

I go through days of being ecstatic from the comeback content and other days of despair at the thought of NewJeans' potential future.

[dry atlas]

i was actually thinking of keeping it up forever as a "sERiOUs ThREAd"

[waxen musk]

Usually it happens on the same days lol

[quick wadi]

just go to the other server

take it there

[short laurel]

Make a new server for this. Invite reddit kpop users. Then c the drama 😶‍🌫️

[arctic sky]

I was thinking the same so please make it for us.

[waxen musk]

*x https://twitter.com/cato_o_o/status/1788738867547324927 -d -c

Cato_o_o (@cato_o_o) on X

Ador directors meeting scheduled a general shareholder meeting for May 31st. MHJ’s status will be decided there

If the May 17th injunction is granted in MHJ’s favor then May 31st meeting is cancelled.

This sh*tshow by HYBE audit could help MHJ’s case on the injunction. 🙏

Twitter · May 10, 2024, 1:12 AM

[harsh dove]

:warning: Tweet with id 1788738867547324927 does not contain any media!

[waxen musk]

I feel like just putting most of Cato's Twitter posts in here lol, usually good summaries and theorisings

[acoustic valve]

You know that this is almost definitely far from over right? If anything, if MHJ gets removed on the 31st, things will really kick into overdrive and operations at Ador will be several times more chaotic

[dry atlas]

i know ofc i know

cant a guy be exasperated now

[acoustic valve]

IG the fastest way this resolves is if the police find MHJ guilty of breach of trust... but that's also likely the last thing any of the girls want to happen...

[waxen musk]

Btw that audit last night did they say if they succeeded in persuading Choi Yumi to give up her laptop and personal phone or did she resist despite the "threats"?

Don't think any report says one way or the other.

[acoustic valve]

the statement implies that yes, they did persuade her into surrendering her personal belongings because it directly states "[Choi Yumi] plan to withdraw consent to use personal information created under coercive circumstances for more than 5 hours"

[waxen musk]

Didn't need to put quotation marks around threats. They were literally threats.

Can't believe this is how they treat their staff, even if they do plan to get rid of them. More and more Hybe makes me fear for NewJeans without their current team. Serious fear that I don't think really sunk in for me until now.

[acoustic valve]

Truly disgusting, and awful

[tiny peak]

any other group's fans would have compeltely revolted against the company by now

[waxen musk]

It's like Hybe themselves are trying to prove to Hybe stans that they shouldn't be supporting them but they need to resort to more insane tactics to get them to do it (i'm being silly lol )

[copper jetty]

This fd up though, audit is only for office works. Why would they follow her home???

Also, I thought the audit was already done. That's why they sent the findings to the police already. Then what the hell is this??

[waxen musk]

Just asking to be sued

I wont lie it kinda gives me hope that Hybe really doesnt have anything and they're getting desperate... and I dont see it working. But this only a hope at this point. We still dont know.

[acoustic valve]

don't know about hope, but it's certainly likely that they haven't found anything conclusive yet considering they're going this far to find something...

[hoary frost]

hybe statement. they are saying they will release exact statement about conducting audit in female employees home later: https://v.daum.net/v/20240510093149157

[waxen musk]

They need time to come up with an excuse

[hoary frost]

nah, thats insane. is company allowed to do that

[dry atlas]

there's a guy releasing an album named "I ADORE" in korean

it's funny how he shows up on the search results

[hoary frost]

[copper jetty]

[hoary frost]

https://x.com/newjeansnews_/status/1788744645855555628?s=46&t=lncf7vo09FEx5ZDvXg81LA

NEWJEANS NEWS🇰🇷 (@newjeansnews_) on X

[OFFICIAL] ADOR announced that HYBE's audit team conducted an illegal audit of ADOR's style directing team leader around 7pm on May 9 at her house, after work hours were over.

The audit lasted for over 5 hours, until past midnight on May 10th, they demanded not only her laptop…

Twitter · May 10, 2024, 1:35 AM

omgggg choi yumi? tff

[waxen musk]

Yeah that was pinned already (different source)

[hoary frost]

oh sorry jfjfjfjfj

what would they find in choi yumi's house other than clothes

[copper jetty]

And make up

[hoary frost]

I hope they have proof of Hybe coercing the VP and the employees so they can use these two chips to help them in court.

[copper jetty]

Also why are they trying to get her personal laptop and phone??

Doesn't hybe give out their own company phone and laptop??

[hoary frost]

I'm assuming since it was right before the directors meeting Hybe probably wanted to find out about what MHJ is planning maybe.

[copper jetty]

I'm waiting on Hybe's excuse this time lol.

Tokkitwitter is exploding again.

[hoary frost]

Hybe responded saying it was 'legal' and said they shouldn't be claiming it was illegal

[copper jetty]

Do they have a separate " work audit" meaning in Korea?? How is that not illegal???

[acoustic valve]

Hybe released their response https://www.slist.kr/news/articleView.html?idxno=547815

More he said she said with a bit of circumstantial evidence

[waxen musk]

This google translation is giving me a headache, gonna wait for Cato's summary lol

Yeah it's he said she said literally who knows the actual truth. Ofc Hybe being as they've shown themselves to be makes me doubt anything they ever say but I worry that even the courts wont be able to let us know what really happened

[hoary frost]

👀

[waxen musk]

This is gonna be a headache isn't it

Cannot predict what'll happen on the 17th

[opaque torrent]

is this another case where they leak chats that are supposed to be provocative but its actually legal?

like ador's plot to bring in investors and dilute shares? btw anything they release to the press cannot be used as evidence so i doubt this is damning

[short laurel]

Actually thise fans are instead saying "why ador not cooperating" they are mixing up audit n police

[hoary frost]

seems like another media play yes. Hybe wants to incriminate her for receiving "bribes", but the word the chat uses is "incentives".

[waxen musk]

Ignore that message lol I was joking around with that one

[hoary frost]

The chats seems like they were trying to gain financial benefit by "using" Hybe, and that it could be a problem within Hybe HR.

[opaque torrent]

the irony of their closing paragraph

[arctic sky]

what does that mean? that hey fcuk up now that entire nation know lol

[valid sierra]

wow, im so amazed that this is a billione dollar company

[tiny peak]

that is just an insane lack of awareness. some brainless exec at HYBE told them to add that in

[waxen musk]

lol what the actual fuck is this paragraph

[valid sierra]

ohh its because today is the shareholders meeting. means they are looking for dirt by force. By this we may assume that they do not have a strong case to show at today's shareholders meeting?

[opaque torrent]

no the shareholders meeting is scheduled for the 30th

today was ADOR board of directors meeting

[short laurel]

I had to read that multiple times to confirm. Hybe really seem to not know what they are doing

[acoustic valve]

From my first reading of it with auto-translate and its lack of context; at a charitable glance it's no different than talking to your accountant about how to minimize your taxes. ie. They were talking about how to ensure their handling of payments wouldn't get them in trouble with HR. Of course, it could also be seen as "evidence" for embezzlement if one was not as charitable with ador. Hard to call it on way or the other without proper context, but I guess that's the reason it was released as is

[opaque torrent]

[11:03 AM

What to say at the meeting tomorrow (both of you listen carefully)

[11:03 AM

[11:04 AM

It's been a tough year (formal introduction), introduction), since incense is replaced with advertising fee, you mentioned the amount so that we can face the point that Janggo fee was the original.

[11:05 AM

Make them aware that it is a large amount (surprisingly, Jae is a character who knows that it is a large amount but can pretend not to know)

[11:05 AM

Sometimes I do cosplay with no social skills, so there is a need to make people aware of it.

[11:06 AM

One . Use Hive as an excuse to notify about changes in advertising work by saying that a tackler has arrived from Hive.

[11:07 AM

(: It is basic that concurrent business is not prohibited at Hive, but in fact, it is allowed at my home. However, I am resentful of the risky listing.

Because it's stupid to explain the listing with your eyes pointing towards Adore) Humans are cunning and say thank you for receiving an unexpected benefit, but in reality, they are not good at expressing the amount of gratitude, but it is a penalty.

[11:06 AM

If you end up in the same situation as others (even though there is no real loss), it is common for resentment to arise.

[11:09 AM

[hoary frost]

Yeah its hard to tell without proper context, but korean forums seem to think that its a form of embezzlement and ador's just trying to cover it up. Especially since the money went from Advertiser -> Employee, and not Advertiser -> Ador -> Employee.

[opaque torrent]

[11:09 AM

In fact, there is a possibility of problems occurring in terms of HR.

[11:10 a.m.

[11:11 a.m.

[11:11 a.m.

Hive requested corrections and improvements. Talking about it will be painful even from Jae’s perspective.

Anyway, and this goes on, there are criticisms that there are many problems within Adore as well.

Then

(may occur)

[11:11 a.m.

(You should never make adjustments based solely on tackles in the hive. Then, this will result in a lack of awareness of the work you have done incorrectly.

[11:11 a.m.

So 2. List practical problems and make them aware of the need for corrective action for improvement.

11:16 AM

In fact, this is the most important content / The problem of individuals monopolizing labor costs has caused other members to feel deprived (in fact, if managers feel lazy, they can raise the issue even now) This has already been mentioned in 1, but it needs to be said again. You need to tell me specifically what the problem is.

Aren't you eating your advertising money alone? Don't you think this is a problem because assistants work without getting paid? In fact, when we gave permission for the scale, we did not think seriously about this issue. (Because there were so few assistants and the ups and downs were so severe that it was a part-time job)

Is

In fact, there is this problem because they voluntarily paid taxes to us first. Maybe I should have done it, but I didn't.

In fact, I just took advantage of the situation (under the excuse that the amortization was short) on purpose.

yes

In the beginning, Heejin was considerate, but as the advertising field grew,

1. A structure where the amount of compensation for parts other than the main job is too large,

2. A structure in which team resources work for individual compensation. 3) Because resources were limited, issues arose that affected the schedule.

These problems cannot be resolved through individual efforts alone and only by changing work processes/structures.

[11:16 AM Yes, this is actually a big problem internally as well.

[11:16 a.m.

[11:16 a.m.

This is also something we must do first before the Hive catches us.

Audit issues may arise. actually

[serene cloud]

Is there a good Translation on the alleged bribing/embezzlement bc it doesn't make sense to me

[hoary frost]

Its a bad situation because I think from Ador's point of view she was a freelancer, so they reduce their income on paper by having the advertiser pay the freelancer directly, but the problem is that the freelancer became an employee of ador. From the court's perspective I think this would lean on Hybe side

[opaque torrent]

i noticed hybe is trying to pit ador team against each other.

their first mediaplay, they tried to frame it like vp shin tipped off hybe

now they're saying, mhj is sacrificing her stylist

a lot of projecting

when in both circumstances, it seems like they were coerced into handing over their data

[acoustic valve]

imo it ultimately comes down to the stylists' actual contract with Ador... which we have no information on. Like if this was a standard employee role like being hired a developer at Samsung or smth, it probably is against their contract to receive outside payments in this manner. But a stylist's contract can be quite varied and different, especially on payments and funding... Something I'm sure we'll find out conclusively when this reaches the courts

[hoary frost]

Its something to be decided in court yea, but she gets insurance and is treated like a full time employee

This is ador's statement:
In the process of calculating performance bonuses for the year 2023, it was determined that there were more advertisements from NewJeans than initially expected, and there was an increase in non-advertisement related tasks, making it difficult to internally manage all the advertisement styling tasks. Therefore, it was agreed upon to revise the process for these tasks starting from 2024, and styling for advertisements will be conducted through outsourcing. This decision was already communicated to the Hybe HR department and ER department in February. Currently, what Hybe is concerned about is that instead of internal members receiving incentives from Ador, the amount paid by advertisers to freelancers is received. However, since Ador has not incurred any financial loss, contrary to Hybe claims, embezzlement cannot be established. These matters can be easily verified through the records of HR-related tasks provided by Hybe shared services.

[hoary frost]

my issue is that even without financial loss, this is a clear sign of embezzlement by the eyes of the law, since it doesn't go through the proper process

[opaque torrent]

source?

omg everything is coming out so fast.

[hoary frost]

"2023년 성과급 산정하는 과정에서 뉴진스의 광고가 최초 예상보다 많고, 광고 이외의 진행업무가 많아지면서 광고 스타일링 업무를 모두 내부적으로 수행하기 어렵다는 판단을 하게 되었습니다. 이에 따라 2024년부터는 해당 업무 과정을 수정하여 광고 촬영에 대한 스타일링은 외주 인력을 통해 진행하는 것으로 협의를 마친 상황이었습니다. 그리고 이 내용은 이미 지난 2월에 하이브 HR부서 및 ER부서에 공유되었습니다. 현재 하이브가 문제삼는 것은 내부 구성원이 어도어로부터 인센티브를 수령하는 대신에 광고주가 프리랜서에 지급할 금액을 수취하는 것으로, 어도어에 금전적 피해를 준 것이 없어 하이브의 주장과는 달리 횡령이 성립할 수 없습니다. 이와 관련된 사항들은 하이브가 쉐어드서비스로 제공하고 있는 인사관련 업무의 기록들을 통해 쉽게 확인할 수 있는 내용입니다."
https://biz.chosun.com/entertainment/enter_general/2024/05/10/FW3PFKU4DXHCLGQINGC3VJESBU/

[opaque torrent]

TY im still trying to rewatch her press con but so many things are ha ppening

[acoustic valve]

I still don't know enough about the actual employment contracts involved to make a definitive statement either ways. But if the advertisers have a standard practice of paying stylists a separate payment anyway, it really comes down to whether the stylists employment contract allows them to pick up third-party income opportunities.

[arctic sky]

So in a nutshell that Hybe tried to accused of Ador's employee of embezzlement from advertising and Ador refuted it ??

[tribal sand]

is this the new news that has come out recently? Sorry I am a bit behind..

[arctic sky]

yes just today's came out

[short laurel]

To me both side seems guilty in some ways but yea can't come to conclusions with cherry picked press releases. They could've left important context. N we don't know contract details

[tribal sand]

That's true! I think another thing to consider is the fact that their could be even more hidden details we are unaware of...

[hoary frost]

Yeah we don't know until they go to court but the public opinion on this is gonna be heavily hybe favored.. sigh

[opaque torrent]

we'll see. hybe's mediaplay made it seem like their plans of bringing in outsider investors were super illegal too, but legal professionals said otherwise

[tribal sand]

im just praying for newjeans

[serene cloud]

We need tikki or someone to translate these whole things, I don't get the alleged embezzelemnt... how can a stylist embezzle anything

[short laurel]

Idk. going to female employee house n staying late after midnight for audit is too much from hybe side.

[opaque torrent]

lol im with you. picking bones with staff getting paid? like... i need more context

well, we observed that public opinions play a part in legal opinions so hybe is trying to catch up

[serene cloud]

Or what would be the point of giving extra money to the stylist.... stylist doesn't decide who newjeans works with

[acoustic valve]

To put it into simpler terms; it's not that different from hiring a catering company to organize food for your function, and then going to one of the catering company's employees and paying them directly to serve food at the function. Something which is at face value, not going to be evidence of anything illegal. That being said, depending on the employment contracts involved in a large arts-based company like Hybe, it might be. But once again, hard to know without knowing the details...

[arctic sky]

https://www.pannchoa.com/2024/05/instizhybe-min-heejins-claims-are-false.html

[lucid yarrow]

can't they just show the bank accounts or they paying ppl in cash

[arctic sky]

better translation

[tribal sand]

maybe theres more to it and they cant necessarily just show us..

[lucid yarrow]

well lol if hybe find 1$more tip ill be like lol ok...i guess u can fire her for that

[opaque torrent]

the mhj hate from inetz is so forced. like what did this lady do to y'all? lol

(comments)

[acoustic valve]

be successful

[opaque torrent]

this is called tipping in the us ^^

[opaque torrent]

and a woman

[arctic sky]

seems like all employees from Hybe is misogynist

[opaque torrent]

before hybe mediaplayed her, she just led a quiet career for 20 years

[lucid yarrow]

still ador try to save hybe some money and they punish them for it that dumb but ok

[hoary frost]

Thought this was a good comment:

"Already, the issue lies in the fact that the company invaded privacy by entering personal residences and inspecting personal phones and laptops without legal authority, as the content (employee getting paid directly) was already shared with Hybe. It would be appropriate to formally request a police investigation, especially for a large corporation like Hybe. Furthermore, this issue initially deviated from the topic of Min Hee-jin's dismissal. The initial debate was whether Min Hee-jin had any intention of undermining or taking over Hybe. It's pointless to dwell on this issue; it only serves as fuel for negative publicity."

[opaque torrent]

knetz or inetz? cos bravo

[hoary frost]

knet

[arctic sky]

they operated like a thugs

[opaque torrent]

yeah like i said... if they leaked this, its irrelevant haha

[dry atlas]

*x https://twitter.com/newjeans_loop/status/1788774640657244620

[harsh dove]

@newjeans_loop <t:1715312082:d>

[dry atlas]

i swear if choi yumi gets booted out

im sending trucks

no more good styling

[opaque torrent]

do we have any good looking 20 year old influencers to take one for us and seduce bang pd to get dirt?

[short laurel]

Point 7

[opaque torrent]

me if i knew korean

[short laurel]

It's nice to c both knetz n inetz in this post pointing out hybe's play

It's rare to c such unity between istans n kstans in kpop

[arctic sky]

I wonder what the reddit had to say on this matter kek

[lucid yarrow]

too bad reddit a shit show ahem rkop

[arctic sky]

lemme check hehe

[acoustic valve]

this is like checking which direction the sun is rising from this morning

[arctic sky]

HAHA as expexted reddit lives up to my expectations

Brainrots

UTTER BOLLOCKS

[acoustic valve]

Imagine defending a company rocking up to an employee's home and forcing them to hand over personal belongings, with no police involved in any part of the process. Even the most unhinged right-wing capitalists wouldn't justify this sort of blatant corporate overreach

but somehow liberal redditors find a way, truly brainrots

[short laurel]

I said it sometime ago here. Hybe stans are mixing up jobs of auditor n police.

[short laurel]

Doesn't make it any less creepy

[acoustic valve]

this is no different from ur boss at mcdonalds claiming you stole burgers and then forcing you to let them search your house for "proof". Literally, no different.

[short laurel]

Yea!

[acoustic valve]

If anything, this being a huge publicly traded conglomerate only makes it worse... god redditors are stupid

[lucid yarrow]

what can you say maybe they live in country where ppl do that regularly

[short laurel]

I misread

Idk English

Now idk if i read correctly or not.

[acoustic valve]

no country I know of allows this kind of overreach from civilian institutions as a norm, corporations or not. Public institutions such as law enforcement or the government is always (as it should be) involved in this kind of investigation into private property. The only saving grace is that the auditors got the employee's "consent"... but given the circumstances that consent is at high risk of being considered to be coercion

[opaque torrent]

i dont understand how the gender makes this less inappropriate. i still feel violated when a female TSA officer feels me up at their airport bc my hair tie showed up on an x-ray

and its still irrelevant info? you search for dirt on a stylist getting money ? apparently saving you taxes? like...

this is like if i work at a restaurant and my boss decides to fire me bc i eat perfectly good food that was going to be tossed

[acoustic valve]

Hybe is going to hell fr

[short laurel]

Sad reality is many restaurants do it for real...

Well not fire but punish employee.

[hoary frost]

rlly? not from personal experience haha

[short laurel]

Friends experience. Not mine.

I Nvr worked in restaurant. But have heard lots of stories

[grim shell]

If mhj is fired the njs formula is fried

[lucid yarrow]

for these 2 years they prob planned out already but don't know how they change it with new ppl/ceo

[short laurel]

Next album after jp cb will have gacha then. 😭

N alot of tours.

[valid sierra]

imagine thinking just because its also a woman, its okay to follow someone to her home

[lucid yarrow]

after work f that

[valid sierra]

and they questioned her for 5 fking hrs. like who tf is sane enough to handle that

[arctic sky]

yeah completely missing out the big point there thats why i took the sc to show on how brainrots redditors are.

[valid sierra]

i hope ador would continue to sue them for all of these because this is sooo not right

[opaque torrent]

k-tokkis point out the discrepency in hybe's claim vs actual chat

https://twitter.com/NewJeans_NW/status/1788788869451943962 i noticed this too but i wasn't sure if i was reaching due to inadequate translation

네트워크 (@NewJeans_NW) on X

카톡 내용 - 기존 관행대로 하셨던 것 문제가 생길 수 있으니 정정하시기 바랍니다
언플 내용 - 어도어 팀장, 민희진 승낙아래 수억원 금품 갈취

Twitter · May 10, 2024, 4:31 AM

bc ador wants to change the practice - perhaps bc her employment status changed - they've admitted guilt? lol

so hybe agreeing to renegotiate mhj's contract this year, means she's right about everything wrong with it ok got it

sorry im linking an army account....

so per hybe's own press release, ador's team only consists of mhj, vp shin and cd kim.... wtf happened to the guy who worked with hybe before transferring to ador and was emphasized to be her 'her right-hand man'

did they drop that angle bc it was looking like they planted someone in ador to set them up?

*x https://x.com/BlueeDenise/status/1788766232348430628

[harsh dove]

@BlueeDenise <t:1715310078:d>

[tiny peak]

https://m.entertain.naver.com/now/article/241/0003349663

interview with the stylist team leader?

[opaque torrent]

lol i thought she wasnt coerced, hybe

[tiny peak]

is it so hard to have an ounce of empathy to imagine if you were in her shoes. i don't understand people these days

it must have been so scary

[opaque torrent]

i dont understand what hybe is doing... are we supposed to side with them bc the stylist got her money directly instead of some of it going to their team of male execs?

maybe park ji won can do hair since his leadership is yielding negatives

[lucid yarrow]

dam if that person who wrote the notes took money out of ador that be crazy

[opaque torrent]

so hybe lost no money in all of this, they're just trying to nail a stylist for getting paid for doing her job wholeheartedly?

[tiny peak]

this is the same tired HYBE media play formula, the korean public sees it a mile a way

[opaque torrent]

this is like an employer trying to steal tip money

[tiny peak]

i have a feeling this is going to backfire (again)

[arctic sky]

lol i nvr thought that hybe was this low and dumb

[dry atlas]

interview with stylist team leader https://m.entertain.naver.com/now/article/241/0003349663

[tiny peak]

i keep picturing angry ahjussi execs demanding and pressuring their team to come up with something, and they just throw their hands in the air and like "well i guess we can harass the stylist"

because it just defies logic

[opaque torrent]

so theyre trying to bury min hee jin for letting her staff keep 100% of their earnings instead of letting park ji won get some of it

[dry atlas]

annoying about translations are the pronouns lol

is korean language non-gendered?

[arctic sky]

yeah lol

[opaque torrent]

yeah

[arctic sky]

he means she and vice versa

[dry atlas]

Mr. A expressed, “This is money I received by working on a schedule and with permission, and I did not repay this to CEO Min Hee-jin. I just worked hard, but I am so embarrassed and upset.”

[hoary frost]

i don't find this convincing... this just feels like blatant media play from ador's side.

[dry atlas]

recurring theme

[opaque torrent]

i think this is one of those things that aren't technically legal (depends on contract ig) but normally it's no big deal. however, since hybe is trying to bury mhj, its now a big deal

[waxen musk]

Better translation by Cato on twitter

https://x.com/cato_o_o/status/1788797066027651301?s=46

Cato_o_o (@cato_o_o) on X

Article

[Exclusive] NewJeans Styling Team Leader: "HYBE Threatened Legal Action If Cooperation Was Not Provided... It Was Too Scary" (Interview)

In an exclusive interview, the styling team leader of NewJeans revealed, "HYBE threatened legal action if cooperation was not

1/

Twitter · May 10, 2024, 5:03 AM

[opaque torrent]

like servers shouldn't eat food that is to be discarded per restaurant policy, bc if the food ends up hurting them, the employer could be held liable

but ppl do anyway and no one is hurt but if your employer hates you, they can use it to legally dismiss you bc its policy

[hoary frost]

yeah it just feels like an emotional response is all.. like wouldn't it be the regular path of investigation for Hybe to threaten legal action if she doesn't cooperate

[tiny peak]

HYBE doesn't have any credibility to launch "grey area" attacks like this anymore, it looks like public opinion already shifting toward ADOR side

[opaque torrent]

there was a lot of mudslinging during kakao vs hybe too. a lot of stuff were irrelevant... like aespa crying bc they had to sing about the environment. this is more or less the same lol

[copper jetty]

Okay am I misreading things or was the incentive they called were "tip".

[arctic sky]

except this time Hybe reputation is going down the drain in the gutter lol

[copper jetty]

Well they do thuggish things, they get thuggish rep. 🤷‍♀️

[opaque torrent]

“Hive received hundreds of millions of millions with Adore CEO Min Hee-jin’s approval” Messenger conversation revealed by Hive: However, when you look into it, something rather strange stands out. https://www.huffingtonpost.kr/news/articleView.html?idxno=219790

[arctic sky]

Ugh i hate that smug face

[opaque torrent]

When it was first allowed, it was not a large amount of money, but as the advertising field grew, the amount began to increase significantly, and CEO Min said to another executive, "Hive requested corrections and improvements, and listed the practical problems that arose for improvement (A He is quoted as saying, "We need to make him aware of the need for corrective action."

출처 : 허프포스트코리아(https://www.huffingtonpost.kr)

DAMN now this is journalism

[valid sierra]

and wheres the "Hybe employee" who said that they gave NJ those brands

[opaque torrent]

omg i am the google translator whisperer... i infered all of this, did i not? lol

[lucid yarrow]

i read from bts stan they are hand me downs from bts members

[copper jetty]

That huffpost website is not translating on my samsung. 😭

[opaque torrent]

samsung is team hybe sorry

Hive released the messenger conversation of Adore CEO Min Hee-jin.

On the morning of the 10th, Adore, the agency of the group New Genes, claimed a coercive audit by the parent company Hive , and within a few hours, Hive also responded strongly.

Hive said, "During the audit process, the team leader (Adore Style Directing Team Leader A) admitted that he had received hundreds of millions of won worth of money and valuables from an outsourcing company for several years with the approval of CEO Min Hee-jin," adding, "Amounts that should have been recognized as company sales were privately received." “The fact that the CEO has been aware of this and has tolerated it for years is not a practice, but is clearly illegal,” he claimed.

At the same time, he disclosed the KakaoTalk conversation, saying, "We are disclosing part of the conversation between CEO Min Hee-jin and Adore management that was confirmed during the audit process." If you read it from beginning to end, CEO Min said, "I am disclosing part of the conversation between CEO Min Hee-jin and Adore management that was confirmed during the audit process." He was quoted as saying, "It seems like he was intentionally taking advantage of the situation," and added, "It's a big problem internally, and it's a task we need to deal with first before Hive gets caught."

When it was first allowed, it was not a large amount of money, but as the advertising field grew, the amount began to increase significantly, and CEO Min said to another executive, "Hive requested corrections and improvements, and listed the practical problems that arose for improvement (A He is quoted as saying, "We need to make him aware of the need for corrective action."

Representative Min said, “Humans are cunning, so when they receive an unexpected benefit, they say thank you, but they are unable to estimate the extent of that gratitude, and when a penalty puts them in the same situation as others (even though there is no real loss), it is common for them to develop resentment.” It appears that adjustments have been made to solve the problem in a way that is well accepted.

In addition, Hive said, "The team leader in question came to work at the company yesterday at 6 p.m., and the audit began when he responded that he would respond to the audit at 7 p.m. With his consent, only our female employees accompanied him into the team leader's home." “I went in and got my laptop back,” he said.

Hive seemed to be aware of CEO Min Hee-jin's press conference on the 25th of last month, saying, "We express strong regret to CEO Min for trying to mislead the public once again. This is a serious defamation of the company," and added, "We will take all possible civil and criminal measures." do.

[tiny peak]

yeah the koreans are definitely going to takeher side here, this backfired spectacularly (again)

[opaque torrent]

Meanwhile, Adore's extraordinary general shareholders' meeting will be held on the 31st, where the dismissal of CEO Min Hee-jin is proposed.

Since Hive owns 80% of Adore's shares, it is almost certain that the dismissal bill will pass, but as CEO Min filed a lawsuit against Hive on the 7th for an injunction to ban the exercise of voting rights, the outcome is likely to determine the direction of this situation.

Representative Min filed an application for a preliminary injunction "to protect the corporate value of Adore's artist New Genes and Adore," and if it is rejected, the motion for CEO Min's dismissal will be passed.

However, if the court accepts the request for a provisional injunction, the convening of an extraordinary general meeting of shareholders will become meaningless and CEO Min will be able to lead all activities related to New Genes' comeback.

[copper jetty]

Thanks.

[acoustic valve]

article with an interview of the stylist involved; basically confirmed as choi yumi correct? https://m.entertain.naver.com/now/article/241/0003349663

Also this response seems sus to me: *Hive then responded to the argument that embezzlement cannot be established because it is a normal advertising industry practice, saying, “There is no practice in which full-time employees of the company directly profit hundreds of millions of won from advertisers,” adding, “What CEO Min Hee-jin has knowingly tolerated for years is not a practice, but an illegal practice.” “He claimed. *

A lot of strong language without actually refuting the reality that this is indeed how the advertising industry works with payments... a hundred million won or a hundred thousand won doesn't make much of a difference

[opaque torrent]

do you see k-netz discussing the actual contents of the chat logs?

[copper jetty]

Lol I love how trough all this mess newjeans team just uploading the cb and dani's elle interview. Like business first.

[tiny peak]

i'm only browsing theqoo and they are mad mad, and yeah they are completely sold on the narrative that MHJ was trying to correct the situation. HYBE really doesn't have any credibility left to attempt stunts like this, anything they do needs to be cut and dry, but it's quite telling they haven't found that yet

[fierce cloak]

what do you mean?

[opaque torrent]

drop some links bestie

[tiny peak]

there's three related stories on theqoo hot

[tiny peak]

they think MHJ was acting competently and was trying to correct the situation

[hoary frost]

can someone explain current situation? im exhausted to read hybe statements

im sure mhj will release counter statement, but genuinely do they have to do this every time nj drops something? i cant imagine how staff and girls feel

[fierce cloak]

i see, thank you. I do think MHJ and Ador is doing the right things too

[fierce cloak]

yeah it literally draining their mental health, energy, time and disrupting their work

[lucid yarrow]

soon hybe going go after ador janitor for all toilet paper they stole not

[tiny peak]

the timing is always suspicious, even if we can't say for certain

[copper jetty]

I know right? The timing whenever they drop or do something is sus. It's always on the day of NJ Preorders. That's twice now. I don't know if it's coincidence or what

[acoustic valve]

slightly off-topic, but I legit got caught stealing a whole box of toilet paper from the restaurant I worked at once a week during covid. Was funny, boss had a laugh and I promised to come in for an extra shift as thanks

[tiny peak]

well ain't no one using it, right?

[hoary frost]

them doing this to choi yumi just convinced me that they are going to clean ador completely when mhj is out.

[copper jetty]

Is cool that your boss is cool wit it

[tiny peak]

you're right though, imagine how the girls feel, that all their staff and mentors are being attacked, i feel so bad for them

[copper jetty]

Nooo... choi yumi's make up looks good.

[hoary frost]

she is stylist not make up artist

[fierce cloak]

rather important day agaisnt MHJ, so i guess the next attack is may 17th

[copper jetty]

Wait so who's their make up artist??

[hoary frost]

they outsource it. dont have in house make up artist

[copper jetty]

Isn't she the stylist for that bb thing?

[dry atlas]

im waiting on the 250 expose

that he is secretly 249

[hoary frost]

she styles everything

[copper jetty]

I thought there was 2??

[dry atlas]

the bb women something is one of the only two she didnt style

flaunt is the other one

[copper jetty]

Not the bb women. The billboard performance

[hoary frost]

yeah true

perf is her styling

[arctic sky]

https://www.pannchoa.com/2024/05/theqoo-ador-hybe-went-to-female.html

[dry atlas]

its fascinating

[arctic sky]

apparently they were also talking abt kpop reddit in the comments section being a cesspool of hybe stans haha

[dry atlas]

before all this everyone was against pannchoa crowd

but now they sing our tune

hehe

[tiny peak]

the enemy of my enemy is my friend type beat

[copper jetty]

But pannchoa only translates right?? So technically this is an unfiltered opinion of knetz.

[dry atlas]

the comments section

[tiny peak]

lol try explaining that to armies

[dry atlas]

i thought people go to pannchoa for the comments

[opaque torrent]

if you think about it, how would hybe know their stylist was receiving payment directly and specifically targeted her if ador had not told them about it?

[copper jetty]

Nope. Nuh uh. They're scary af

[opaque torrent]

i still avoid pannchoa comments like the plague. only go there when im desperate for a quick translation

[acoustic valve]

pannchoa and reddit crowd are both kboos that love to hate-watch Korea and its business, the difference is that Pannchoa is more knowledgeable of actual Korean society due to their obsession with reading knetz comments (kinda like us here ig). Whereas reddit literally knows nothing beyond k-entertainment content, but pretend they're better because they have higher wordcount than twitter stans

[opaque torrent]

i only eff with r/pomeranians

[fierce cloak]

also, comments are just come from those who talkative, most people not even express their opinions online

[dry atlas]

i swear

ive seen that exact paragraph from jam before

you did not have to type it all out again

[arctic sky]

yeah mel feels like dejavu

[opaque torrent]

https://www.soompi.com/article/1660395wpp/min-hee-jin-releases-statement-about-audit-of-ador-employee-hybe-responds

Min Hee Jin: Isn’t the advertising fee received all alone, don’t you think it is a problem that the assistants are working without getting paid? Honestly, when we first gave permission,
it didn’t occur to us that we should think about this matter seriously either. (Because at that time, there were too few assistants, and they were considered more like part-timers)

In fact, there is this problem because XXX voluntarily disclosed this to us first.

Maybe it should’ve been done, but it wasn’t

In fact, we just took advantage of the situation on purpose (making an excuse for being short-thinking). XXX also

S: Yes

Lee: In the beginning, Min Hee Jin was being considerate, but as the advertising amount grew,

1. A structure where the compensation for areas other than the main job gets too large,
2. A structure where the team’s resources work for XXX’s personal reward.
3. The issues where the limited resources affect the schedule
   occurred.

These problems are in a situation where individual efforts alone are not enough, but it can only be resolved through changing the work process/structure.

Min Hee Jin: Yes, this is actually a big problem internally as well

This is also a task we must resolve first before being caught by HYBE

Audit issues may arise, actually.

[dry atlas]

all in one article

i like it

[tiny peak]

this is so frustrating, the supernatural concept is such a legendary slay, and HYBE pulls crap like this

[copper jetty]

Well, this just means that Hybe protocols and rules have holes in it.

Not just technically ador.

[dry atlas]

i actually dont get the chat log

i understood words but

as a whole..

[fierce cloak]

yeah same, i dont understand what's going on...

[opaque torrent]

In the process of calculating performance bonuses for 2023, it was determined that it would be difficult to manage all styling work internally due to NewJeans having more advertising shoots than expected and the increase of additional duties other than advertisements. Accordingly, it was agreed that from 2024 onwards, the work procedure will be revised and styling for advertising shoots will be outsourced. And this decision was already shared with HYBE’s HR and ER departments previously in February. What HYBE is currently taking issue with is actually internal employees receiving the amount that advertisers pay to freelancers instead of receiving incentives from ADOR, and as there was no financial harm to ADOR, embezzlement cannot be established contrary to what is being claimed by HYBE. This matter can be easily verified through records of HR services provided by HYBE as shared services.

[opaque torrent]

probably hybe omitting some things

[copper jetty]

Even though I read it I still don't understand lol

[opaque torrent]

mhj/sejong did a good job of predicting hybe's movement... its impressive to me that the original statement can also serve as a strong rebuttal to hybe's statement, which came after

ok nnow we need a good translation of the huffpost article lol

it seems like they caught whatever may be the disconnect in the kkt logs

[acoustic valve]

The fact Hybe's "evidence" contains more notes of assumptions and implications intended to guide the reader's opinion than actual transcripts of the conversation also says a lot...

[hoary frost]

its unfiltered opinions of knetz, but pannchoa usually cherry-picks what they want to show (less neutral)

[dry atlas]

https://www.ddinstagram.com/p/C6xwIUeJ9ER/?igsh=MThncnR1NmR3bHlhag==

choi yumi

[copper jetty]

Hopefully she'll still stay after what happened.

[acoustic valve]

It really seems like they just produced that chatlog mostly to mediaplay Ifans knowing they'll see some half-baked evidence and consider it "proof! they caught her!" because the more I look at the chatlogs the less it makes sense or credibility... and knetz seem to agree, so it definitely isn't convincing many Koreans

[fierce cloak]

i just wonder, that is it possible for Ador to use their fund for lawyers to protect mhj and staffs and sueing hybe??

[opaque torrent]

the start of the chat log is kind of weird and makes it seem like mhj is devising some evil, shady plot... but if you keep reading, she's literally trying to improve on a payment system to handle the volume of advertisers they're receiving and how to sell it to hybe so the workers are paid fairly?

[acoustic valve]

yes... exactly, without all the extremely biased notes full of assumptions added by hybe, nobody would even suspect it of anything

just reads like a boring and matter-of-fact meeting...

[opaque torrent]

Min Hee Jin: Isn’t the advertising fee received all alone, don’t you think it is a problem that the assistants are working without getting paid? Honestly, when we first gave permission,
it didn’t occur to us that we should think about this matter seriously either. (Because at that time, there were too few assistants, and they were considered more like part-timers)

In fact, there is this problem because XXX voluntarily disclosed this to us first.

Maybe it should’ve been done, but it wasn’t

In fact, we just took advantage of the situation on purpose (making an excuse for being short-thinking). XXX also

S: Yes

Lee: In the beginning, Min Hee Jin was being considerate, but as the advertising amount grew,

1. A structure where the compensation for areas other than the main job gets too large,
2. A structure where the team’s resources work for XXX’s personal reward.
3. The issues where the limited resources affect the schedule
   occurred.

These problems are in a situation where individual efforts alone are not enough, but it can only be resolved through changing the work process/structure.

Min Hee Jin: Yes, this is actually a big problem internally as well

This is also a task we must resolve first before being caught by HYBE

Audit issues may arise, actually.

like where is the "hybe cannot know about the hundreds of thousands of cash we've amassed and exchanged for gold bars!!!"

like if anything, the chat reveals they perceive hybe to be cheap bastards

[acoustic valve]

truth tellers

[tiny peak]

lol yeah i was wondering if that was shade

[copper jetty]

Yep. It's good that MHJ lawyers predicted this already.

https://tenor.com/view/leonardo-dicaprio-clapping-clap-applause-amazing-gif-16078907558888063471

Would they try to sue hybe for this though??

[acoustic valve]

I think right now they're just focusing on defense and surviving, any misconducts that Hybe are liable for can always be pursued after they fix the main issue that should be concluded asap; Ador's management rights dispute

[dry atlas]

i wonder if there are stylists who would speak up and say "yes it's common industry practice"

they might get audited themselves

[opaque torrent]

they might in this anonymous forums

take a page from hybe employees

so far all hybe has proven/confirmed for us is that ador hates their boss... lol like all of us. imagine if hating ur boss was a crime. ☺️

[copper jetty]

The blind website?

[opaque torrent]

korean glassdoor or something? idk where hybe employees talked about getting newjeans all of these advertisements and awards, but none hybe could confirm on record lol

[copper jetty]

This actually gives me hope though. That hybe doesn't have anything and is grasping at straws now.

What I think they'll pull is get MHJ out by the end of may

[copper jetty]

I think that was blind website.

[acoustic valve]

even if she's booted from ador, it will be a long process of litigation unless she's proven guilty of breach of trust

[copper jetty]

But once they get MHJ out it's easier access from them since they'll probably vote on who the next ceo could be.

If they get to abolish ador that's a whole lot of work but it still could happen

[acoustic valve]

Depending how that scenario goes... I wouldn't be surprised if the girls become directly involved too. If there's a case of Hybe management clearly acting against the best interests of Ador, and therefore the members, a lot of clauses in their contracts can possibly come into play

[opaque torrent]

ok knetz mocking hybe's overreaction https://theqoo.net/hot/3223679739?page=2

it seems like hybe's PR is for the western crowd who can't read korean

[copper jetty]

Also just a question, is it maybe a difference in culture? Cause why would hybe have to follow her home and get her laptop when they could've just told her to bring it in when she comes tomorrow?

[opaque torrent]

it seems to be weirding koreans out too

[copper jetty]

Or was the reason really to harass her which

[fierce cloak]

ya to harass her

she has no one surround, and no one to witness

[opaque torrent]

its ok bc it was a girlboss who harassed her

[acoustic valve]

No, Korea may be a corporate hellhole but even they understand corporate interests can't bulldoze over basic human rights and due process. The whole notion is messed up and unacceptable regardless

[copper jetty]

Regardless of the gender harassment is harassment though.

[opaque torrent]

agreed. 'girlboss' is a derogatory term among us lefties so i was using it sarcastically hehe

[copper jetty]

Oh sorry. I didn't know the term so I didn't pick up on the tone.

[opaque torrent]

np ^^

[hoary frost]

good to see this site is still MHJ favored..

[serene cloud]

so if I'm understanding correctly, the issue is that a freelancer is getting paid more than an internal employee; so if an internal employee gets paid at a freelancer rate they are making more than they should according to hybe and that the difference should have been a bonus/incentive of some sort instead

[opaque torrent]

i'm not sure what the issue is tbh. it seems like hybe is mad they're not getting a cut of the stylist's pay and thats embezzlement

neither is mhj and she is comitting embezzlement. everything is embezzlement lol mhj breathing is embezzlement of air

[dry atlas]

embezzlement of air lmao

[mild mist]

But, that's what's supposed to happen?
Freelancers are supposed to get a higher rate because it's a short term assignment with no long term contract.

[short laurel]

So i still not understand those text msges of ador executives

Like it looks to me they were trying to fix problems. Where is the illegal part hybe trying to say?

I feel like my own brain stop functioning after reading hybe n it's stans..

[copper jetty]

The second to the last one seems more of a gotcha moment

But when you consider the entirety of the message it's actually not what it seems.

[lucid yarrow]

nj podcast giving us inside dirt of hybe not

[short laurel]

Nj podcast won't talk anything about all this

[serene cloud]

but isn't she an ador employee? maybe that's the rub too

maybe some double dipping going on too?

[short laurel]

depends on her contract.

[dry atlas]

ador rebuttal to hybe rebuttal to ador statement
https://www.stardailynews.co.kr/news/articleView.html?idxno=448381

[serene cloud]

Lol rebuttals after rebuttals

[half knot]

lol why can't they just sit down and talk it out instead of this public he said she said

[copper jetty]

Why can't they just wait in court for this??? 😭

[dry atlas]

wait hybe rebuttal is here

[opaque torrent]

https://v.daum.net/v/20240510161008818

[dry atlas]

hybe rebuttal to ador rebuttal to hybe rebuttal to ador statement
http://www.heraldpop.com/view.php?ud=202405101737491847911_1&pos=naver

[copper jetty]

Why is BTS in the picture again?

[opaque torrent]

lol

i think god was tired of seeing armys in our business again

[lucid yarrow]

why even make it public hybe such a baby does telling the world help them with the case?or the firing

why not tell the police

[half knot]

my guess is because this is a nothingburger legally, and they have nothing so they're trying to dig new things after their original claim was found to be meritless and toothless (probably)

[dry atlas]

they tackle the chat log

[half knot]

but also MHJ's side really can't stop getting dimissed eventually either.

[hoary frost]

again????

can they just call each other

[half knot]

also Ador is a company on its own, the board and CEO can make their own decisions with regards to compensations and contracts and what chat app they use. if HYBE wanted that level of micro control, they should have put it in their contracts and shareholders agreement, or not made a multi-company system at all and stuck with divisions like everybody else in the industry.

[copper jetty]

The way I can't enjoy the supernatural release because of this hybe ador feud.
I keep going back and forth to happy to sad and then back to happy. 😭

[dry atlas]

sometimes i want to close this thread

forever

[opaque torrent]

i hope ador ignores this. its such a red herring and hole hyb e can't stop digging

[copper jetty]

Idk... I think it's good if we keep this thread though

Have it like a serious thread of kpop drama.

[short laurel]

these words "realize your mistake" army make use of that alot.

mind control?

[copper jetty]

Wait is this correct translation though as per the last article?

"It has been confirmed that Hive Chairman Bang Si-hyuk and CEO Park Ji-won have been accused of breach of trust in business. Jeong Gyu-jun provided"

[half knot]

"Confirmed" by the accusing party I suppose

also this comment on reddit sums up my own thoughts on this continuing mess especially today's

the actions really do seem desperate to find even an iota of evidence to prove their breach of trust thing

HYBE really doesn't want to pay MHJ for her put options if she exercises them

and it shows they don't care at all about newjeans if they're doing this right on comeback scheduling for NJ.

[hoary frost]

did ador release rebuttal vol 3.0 yet

[short laurel]

i wish ador just ignore them. but i know there are huge population of people would think that "ador stopped so ador is wrong" or something

[hoary frost]

ador should just tell them if they think anythings problem they should come to court

[dry atlas]

i mean this time ador started it

the public thing

[half knot]

the thing about all this is the courts are likely not going to do anything about it, this is all corporate bureaucracy and power struggle, it doesn't seem like any side is breaking any laws other than contract violations

if they had real concrete stuff to take them to court, they would already, and that goes for both sides

so far the only two legal things they've gone for is a) ask police to investigate, which is another discovery thing showing they had nothing to start with and b) the shareholders struggle to hold the meeting to dismiss the board

[dry atlas]

so what is mhj holding onto if she gets dismissed? suing hybe for unlawful termination ?

[half knot]

who knows, it depends on her contract as ceo

as well as what contract she signed with hybe when ador was incorporated

and what the company's articles of incorporation are with regards to all of this

there has to be some contract penalties for unreasonable dismissal which would explain why hybe is working overtime to dig up dirt and make it all so public, as well as continue to pressure her to step down willingly

that on top of hybe not wanting to pay her the 100 billion won at the end of the year

[sterile umbra]

you know what

there are happenings that are currently present in sk that we never completely knew/know, especially in the entertainment industry, like this, the kpop

[old cypress]

I just caught up. This is such bullshit lol

Hybe really seems desperate to find evidence if that's what they come up with

I'm kind of amazed that the audit team is acting like they're cops

A man and a woman came to the front of the house, and while the man was guarding the front of the house, the woman came into the house and asked for a cell phone.

FBI slash jehovah's witnesses

even cops need a warrant to do that

[hoary frost]

bizarre

[old cypress]

From what I understand, great stylists can make a lot more money by going freelance and in a bid from ADOR to keep the stylist around, they allowed her to contract her work to advertisers as freelance rather than as an internal stylist. Unless the stylist is under a non-compete I don't think it's illegal

[acoustic valve]

like i said, just because hybe is a conglomerate and can hide behind an army of lawyers and pages of employee contracts; this is still fundamentally no different from your manager at mcdonalds demanding to look through your home because they think you stole some happy meals. Even if Hybe manage to escape legal repercussions, they should at least be publicly shamed on a national scale for this sort of behavior.

And anyone defending this has well and truly gone mad.

[old cypress]

HYBE stance is complete apeshit lol

[acoustic valve]

and yes afaik, it's not illegal outside of potentially breaking a non-compete clause in their employee contract. Hybe is clearly doing mediaplay to give the perception it is...

[short laurel]

Hybe has gone mad. the fact they did it and even admit that they did it. people there really think they can do whatever they please

[old cypress]

Hybe stance is "we're missing out on extra revenue so this is embezzlement"

as if companies are required to maximize their revenue without taking anything in consideration

The big problem that ADOR ended up noticing is the stylist working as freelance had ADOR assistants with them and these assistants weren't getting paid since it was officially freelance work. The kakaotalk convo was about that

[short laurel]

sounds like SK gaming companies

[short laurel]

wasn't it about them trying to find solution for this problem. shouldn't ador be praised for thinking of their employees. and hybe being the one sharing it makes it kinda funny.

(if i understand those text correctly. i m still not sure what i read)

[old cypress]

Yeah hybe was like "see! embezzlement!" while ador convo is "we made a mistake here, we need to fix that asap"

I really don't see hybe's claim holding in a court but what do I know i'm just some rando

[hoary frost]

this doesn't actually do anything tho right

[old cypress]

Hive Chairman Bang Si-hyuk and Park Ji-won were accused of breach of trust. lmao

I hope that Jeong Gyujun has unlimited funds

[hoary frost]

the youtube person that reported that is showing a live feed of the cyber university https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqiZ7DLGEXQ

[old cypress]

ngl the whole danworld drama is getting wild

[short laurel]

so hybe keep saying they told the university to stop using bts. but they still using it. totally not sus

[copper jetty]

As per the rebuttal article of hybe, "Representative Min Hee-jin is making absurd sophistry that "it is justified to receive performance compensation from "external" by highly competent "internal" talent." This is not a practice, but illegal"

[old cypress]

that's called freelancing

[copper jetty]

But why internal talent though??

[old cypress]

she works as a stylist at ador

but ador allowed her to work as a freelance so she would get more money

[short laurel]

it's not illegal. problem is if it's against contract or not. btu nothing to do with law. hybe is just putting media play

[old cypress]

if it's against the contract it's still not against the law, and the punishment would be firing the stylist or something

[short laurel]

yes!

[dry atlas]

no fucking way

my choi yumi

if that happens just hire her as freelance

pls ador

[old cypress]

yeah prob can just hire her as freelance if she's gone, it's just a lot more expensive for ADOR

[acoustic valve]

imagine your employer telling you you can't be working outside of working hours without them also getting a cut, fing insane

[copper jetty]

Thanks for clarifying cause I thought all along she was a freelancer and not an ador employee. But technically, that's not really illegal though. Weird of hybe to put that out there.

[old cypress]

ADOR is technically missing out on extra revenue so hybe is mad

[copper jetty]

So they're saying that the extra revenue that could've gone to them was being pocketed by yumi???

[old cypress]

yeah hence embezzlement

[copper jetty]

That's incentive though. I look at it as "tip"

[acoustic valve]

not a good enough reason to prove anything. By that logic I can accuse my manager of not maximizing revenue because they gave one of their janitors a raise

[old cypress]

right

hybe made a lot of unwise decisions you can accuse them of the same thing

[copper jetty]

It's like saying to have your employer go through and have a cut of your tip. 😒 how ffing low can they get???

[old cypress]

yeah it's an incentive to keep yumi close to ADOR

which benefits newjeans but hybe can't see that far

[short laurel]

going back to all the previous drama of hybe and even bighit? being on the opposite side everytime i can say they've always made alot of stupid decisions and i m struggling to understand why investors people even trust bang and his team in business decisions.

[copper jetty]

Actually speaking this is the first time that I'm on the opposite side of things lol.

[vale grove]

What is up with this whole thing and choi Yumi

[copper jetty]

I've always viewed hybe as a clean company. Cause that's their image

Now... everything shattered 😆

[short laurel]

i happen to always disagree with whatever bang says. and really doubted myself when peopel praised him of his interviews

[old cypress]

hybe brand is damaged

[old cypress]

Long short story, yumi is ADOR's stylist but to get more money ADOR allowed yumi to work as a freelance on certain projects and HYBE thinks it's embezzlement

[hoary frost]

embezzled 100 dollars

[short laurel]

and hybe audit team breached her privacy by forcing their way to her house until late night.

[vale grove]

Whattt!!!!

[old cypress]

nah it can be substantial. As an internal stylist, the money goes to ADOR and the stylist may or may not receive a bonus on the top of her salary. As a freelance, the stylist gets everything

[short laurel]

it's in the pins.

[arctic sky]

I personally think that embezzlement thing is a weak sauce only created by Hybe to dig a dirt on Ador

[copper jetty]

The fact that they wanted to go through her personal belongings I support this thought.

[old cypress]

I think many people who have jobs here can relate. If you're a dev you know that your company gets to pocket 80% of the money paid for your work.

[short laurel]

many don't even get paid and companies get away with it.

[old cypress]

It might help ADOR win on 17th

[acoustic valve]

From my understanding even when it was internal, the payment was "technically" going to the stylist because it was included in their incentives. It's how these jobs are budgeted; the third-party companies have a separate contract for styling and make-up which ador used to also sign, and then gets included in the stylists' incentives afterwards. They just cut out this middle-man part starting this year. Of course, Hybe does theoretically lose a cut of it, but that's hardly embezzlement. One would assume all the payments are above board, I don't see how you can claim embezzlement unless the third-party advertisers were intending to pay Ador, only to have the payment pocketed by the stylist (which isn't what's happening).

[copper jetty]

Where are all the korean legal expert at again. Maybe I'll camp on their youtube channels.

[old cypress]

the incentive is a performance bonus pretty much yeah

And yes if the advertisers were billing ADOR only to have yumi pocket everything, that would be illegal. It's obviously not the case here as you said

I feel like hybe lawyers didn't understand what they were looking at

[acoustic valve]

It just seems like they're nitpicking management decisions and grabbing at whatever could stick for "breach of trust" when in reality, it's just disagreements in what's best for the business.

[short laurel]

if it was lawyers who green light those articles. it would really put a question on how that law firm is rank 1 in korea.

[copper jetty]

Well if that kind of lawyers are defending hybe, I have no qualms about it.

[arctic sky]

yeah but I think what really in favor of Ador is that the sentiments of GP of Hybe with the illegal auditing thats really has tarnished Hybe reps.

[hoary frost]

is BOD meeting done

[old cypress]

yeah lasted 10min as expected

[hoary frost]

final escape was finalized

[copper jetty]

End of May is judgement day.

If only MHJ appeal would be accepted. Then we won't have problems for now.

[arctic sky]

https://www.koreaboo.com/news/new-jeans-ador-min-hee-jin-hybe-text-messages-reaction/

[old cypress]

best translation of the convo so far i think

[copper jetty]

So... mhj breathing air was embezzlement

[acoustic valve]

it didn't include the endless number of notes Hybe included to try and paint the convo as if they were conspiring to steal from Hybe

[copper jetty]

Oh how hybe has fallen. I wonder how much would the stocks be tomorrow again.

Also who agreed to post this chat???

[short laurel]

best translation. can understand whats being said

[acoustic valve]

eg. MHJ: I am thankful for all of your hardwork
Hybe: she's thanking her accomplices in theft

Unironically how the whole thing read

[tribal sand]

Oh damage control?

[hoary frost]

I think its just another media play to counter the audit news. Even if its not true, the way they worded it makes it believable they found evidence that she was embezzling from the company. Its enough for the people with prejudice against her to continue believing Hybe's statements

[short laurel]

but on other hand hybe loss any chance they had to winning gp's trusts in their own country.

[copper jetty]

Which is crazy cause the embezzlement (if there was any) doesn't justify harassment. And people still defend hybe after this...

[copper jetty]

I think they're mostly betting on ifans though.

[mild mist]

I don't think the court cares about ifans

[tribal sand]

So what's the majority? Korean fans I mean..

[short laurel]

shows ifans are in urgent need of mental help.(i m taking about ppl who supporting hybe's yesterdays audit)

[tribal sand]

Like whose sides are they on?

[short laurel]

mhj

[tribal sand]

Ohhh really? Heard they were on HYBEs side

[short laurel]

only ifans n old men in korea

[copper jetty]

Hybe completely blew this up again. RIP to them.

[short laurel]

one ignorant of cultural context n scale of things. other still living in decades past. these are hybe supporters

[copper jetty]

Boomers as we say and have not kept with the times. Aged like milk.

[old cypress]

there are also people who only read the headlines

can't be helped

[short laurel]

n probably cultists IF cult thing is true

[copper jetty]

True. But frankly speaking without you guys I would also be ffing this translation up

So thanks

[short laurel]

those can be ignored. they only know 0.0001% of whats in public. n considering only 1% of details are in public.

[hoary frost]

• hybe stockheads in korea are quite a demographic as well

[old cypress]

yeah there's a lot of stock and crypto people in korea

[short laurel]

ooh yea that too

but its clear as day that its hybe executive that'll kill the stocks. so what investors are thinking

how much kpop stocks were sold of by intl investors ?in billions

[quick wadi]

https://youtu.be/kGE8xbYEYdk

[old cypress]

oh wow finally

tyyy tikki

[short laurel]

ty tikki

[quick wadi]

can i lock chat now

[acoustic valve]

W thumbnail

[copper jetty]

Ty tikki!!!!

Are we locking it again??? Cause there might be rebuttals after rebuttals in the next few days

[short laurel]

do it tim

[quick wadi]

i would want this deleted than locked

[copper jetty]

Just lock it for now ig

[quick wadi]