NJZ Updates and Discussion

[quick wadi]

I rock the dodgers hat

[opaque torrent]

As a San Diegan, I cannot allow my self own a dodgers hat

[valid sierra]

mhj selling those dodgers hat more than ohtani

[serene cloud]

https://vxtwitter.com/NJSbackseat/status/1786443965434315149?t=huFk__p3087VA5Mf6DC59g&s=19

do not separate them

[opaque torrent]

anyone have a good translatio of shin dong le's stories yesterday?

after ador's official rebuttal, hybe has been really quiet....

[serene cloud]

[dry atlas]

https://x.com/NJSbackseat/status/1786443971335729590

minti (@NJSbackseat) on X

Naturally, we started some small talk... He said things like "You must have had a hard time coming here," and since NewJeans seemed likely to get #1 at the time, the conversation shifted to voting. He said, "We have to make sure our kids get #1 this time," ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ

Twitter · May 3, 2024, 5:13 PM

jeon wick

[acoustic valve]

mayb they realized none of the media play is sticking, and every new leak is just as likely to backfire as not. tbh, everyone could've told them that the day after the press con....

[opaque torrent]

All their mediaplay leads back to dan world lol

[upper solstice]

[acoustic valve]

MHJ has just seemed to perfectly applied what they would teach you in business school as "transformational leadership"... one of the hardest styles to apply, but is often the ideal work environment for creative and passionate people, or it will naturally make staff lean in that direction anyhow

It's not easy to convince people their jobs are meaningful in a corporate setting, speaks a lot that even the security guard feels some form of pride and ownership over NJ's success

[serene cloud]

https://vxtwitter.com/menimal219/status/1785963751382085785?t=Q9zMQHvL8pryN9gPNwDKWg&s=19

[acoustic valve]

bunnies camp bout to be that spiderman meme

[lucid yarrow]

too bad its not in korea all mhj cosplayer could just camp outside hybe after the show....

[neon kelp]

With their binky bonky as mhj

Like that in the pic

[opal zodiac]

hi guys, need some help regarding subbing the press con.
can i get some volunteers to review the live (1 or 2 people). Not so much reviewing the translation or grammar, but reviewing whether the content of the subs is consistent with what you know (so it has to be people who are very up to date/knowledgeable and active in here a lot). Also I think it’s nice to get a review from a viewers perspective. You’ll have to pay very close attention and take notes here and there if its needed. please add me now if you're willing to help!

[dry atlas]

me

yappers pls help

[acoustic valve]

@opal zodiac i can helpv

[short laurel]

Add him.as friend he said that in last line

[half knot]

I can help in about 12 hours, it's a busy end of the week rush of documents to finish at work unfortunately.

[opaque torrent]

i wanna help

[grim shell]

I'll help sub mhj lawyer since he didn't speak that much

[opaque torrent]

@opal zodiac it says you're not adding friends 😭

[opal zodiac]

oops sorry, can you guys try again @acoustic valve @half knot @opaque torrent @grim shell

[serene cloud]

https://vxtwitter.com/cato_o_o/status/1786593484926857500?t=Kw0Qf9UbUTvEAW8hKnev3A&s=19

interesting thread

[dry atlas]

interesting saw this earlier too

same law firm but viewpoint is against the client

[half knot]

the lawyer's comments on his channel are also interesting, like outside of what he says in the video, he also commented on it as well as responded to some comments.

basically the jist of it seems to be that HYBE had legal opinion that they couldn't go after MHJ quietly and legally, so they made it a public battle and focused on character assassination

[acoustic valve]

pretty sure he's not longer at k&c... so not his client

[dry atlas]

oh didn't see past tense

[half knot]

the way various law channels in korea keep releasing videos daily on this saga really does remind me of the depp v. heard case in the US 😄

[acoustic valve]

which was my less-educated and copium take since the beginning... hoping it's true

[half knot]

it's going to be a while for sure

and my suspicion is that they'll settle it out of court with MHJ and make her sign even more NDAs.

[serene cloud]

[grim shell]

I was only kidding sry i forgot my hannilul emoji

[valid sierra]

hybe doesnt have the leverage tho. hybe has to settle with mhj to end this

[half knot]

right, but there is room for negotiation and compromise here, although I suspect HYBE has ruined their position a bit by going after MHJ so strongly.

For example, if HYBE's issue is the 100B won put options they gave to MHJ, perhaps they can give her something in return for nullifying those.

And perhaps MHJ can give up something here like going after ILLIT's team/BELIFT and stopping the whole "LSF was first" talk

Perhaps if they take away their own ability to fire MHJ from Ador CEO position, then MHJ could walk back on some of her demands too.

There's a lot of things they could do.

[acoustic valve]

if I was Hybe I would leverage mhj's desire for executive independence and to keep working with the girls for a deal that's as financially predatory as possible against her. But that's me being rational, I honestly have no idea how rational the big wigs at hybe are being rn considering everything that's happened

[half knot]

The lawyer above had the opinion that HYBE's actions are primarily coming from a position of embarrassment, extreme annoyance and exasperation. An emotional response rather than a legal one.

[acoustic valve]

yep, seems that way... unless they hiding some trump card which they haven't used yet, but I can't think of any reason why they wouldn't have used it yet

[valid sierra]

i think shareholders would agree with this, idk about bang pd's pride tho

[half knot]

see if they were to actually sit down like adults and resume their negotiations, that could be HYBE's first play, and MHJ could go the complete opposite, and then they'll compromise and meet somewhere in the middle.

but the sit-down has to happen first. not the daily media shit flinging and truth distortions.

[acoustic valve]

like, let belift continue their copying or whatever, it's not exactly anything new and they're not the only label copying Ador. The issue lies in the fact that Hybe hamstrings Ador at every opportunity making it impossible for them to compete. An obvious solution to this impasse is to just give Ador what they want; executive independence from Hybe. Hybe can still collect the cheques from Ador being the majority shareholders, so they not exactly losing out and it's a decent way to rectify this loss of trust between Hybe and Ador without too much loss.

[half knot]

I can't see that happening on its own without HYBE giving up a little more shares for Ador though, at least enough to cross the 66% threshold for voting out the CEO and board of directors executives.

in return, MHJ could give up her prized put options to an extent/change the deadline, or even accept the non-compete until 2026 or whatever it was.

until HYBE as a majority shareholder can come in and wreck shit, then there's no executive independence.

at least that's how I imagine MHJ and her lawyers' thoughts to be

[valid sierra]

https://www.instagram.com/stories/min.hee.jin/3360292811439569685/
mhj is back with her restories. is everything back to normal now?

[acoustic valve]

Because by trying to hold onto Ador rn; even if Hybe gets what they want, they gut it of a large part of its worth and value; MHJ is worth a lot in not only name but also real value. But this seems to be about Bang PD's pride so i'm not sure how much actual monetary value is being calculated in their decision-making

[half knot]

ador through all this has mostly functioned the same as before, although the whole part about the executives laptops and their work being seized must have put a hamper on things to an extent

MHJ commenting on Krystal's insta was also funny amidst all this

[steep torrent]

https://vxtwitter.com/yuijeans/status/1786621391745503401

if they were more later in their career do u guys think they'd be fine if mhj left then?

[acoustic valve]

entirely depends how you define "fine"

but yes, they'd have less professional incentive to stay with MHJ later on in their career

but I think personal motivations and emotions are also likely playing a big role in their decision making rn, and possibly would even if this happened later on anyway

[zinc zodiac]

I agree.. It's been pretty evident since the start that u could replace these 5 girls with other trainees and the result wouldn't change much... I had my doubts at the start but all this fiasco is making that point even more obvious..

Of course the girls will definitely grow into better artists and later in their career, their image will integrate better with the group brand... But right now, it just feels like MHJ brand all over the group

With less acclaim to the members themselves

[neon kelp]

nah there is a change
we have been used to newjeans so much that we can't see anyone else except them

[acoustic valve]

yes... and no... people tend to forget MHJ went to a lot of painstaking trouble to find her "perfect" group. So just any random 5 trainees would not have really been the same. Most amazing about Ador's direction so far is just how cohesive it all has been, the sum is greater than the parts. Mixing out just one aspect would've ruined the others

[neon kelp]

that's what I said we really love newjeans and we are so used to them
and that we can't see anyone else beside them

[zinc zodiac]

Rings true for hardcore fans but even in fanspaces I've seen most credit go to MHJ for the group and no acclaim given to the members themselves... Which pops the question back up...

[dry atlas]

i said that before, that nj success is mostly 70% the team and less the members

[grim shell]

MHJ picked the best trainees from Source Music, NewJeans are the spiritual succesors to Gfriend

[acoustic valve]

They're both important, it's like asking "Would MHJ have made an even more amazing group with Wonyoung and Karina?" - The answer is that group cannot exist because a "MHJ group" requires her to pick her ideal members and its not going to be either of them

[opaque torrent]

noooo that was such a disaster. i hope koreans have better ethics and brains

[zinc zodiac]

I for one can't wait to see which direction the girls music and concepts take in if MHJ is out

[acoustic valve]

If MHJ was able to compromise like this, she would have just worked on LSF like all of Hybe wanted

[neon kelp]

good thing she didn't

cause she had her own group to look after

[acoustic valve]

and if she did work on LSF, it wouldn't really be an "mhj group", well not anymore than Red Velvet or f(x) was anyway

[neon kelp]

wdym u can't wait
we don't want mhj to leave newjeans and ador

[zinc zodiac]

Don't worry. I said if .. Not for sure

Nothing is still set in stone

[grim shell]

How long will NewJeans persevere with Y2K sound?

[opaque torrent]

i feel like they've moved away from y2k for a while

[neon kelp]

ever since cool with you right?

[zinc zodiac]

She wouldn't fit with the group tbh... Lsrfm r kinda the exact opposite of newjeans.... Lsrfm survives solely based on the members marketability and their personalities nd the members distinct characteristics they bring to the table... Newjeans on the other hand thrive on diversifying the state of market by doing something different, thanks to MHJ but members themselves seem almost under the radar

Based on my observation... Y'all can correct me if I'm wrong

[neon kelp]

hey give some credits to members too

[arctic sky]

Under the radar? That's a huge rock u been living under lol

[neon kelp]

yea lol

[opaque torrent]

ooh where?

[opaque torrent]

ditto/omg if you ask me

[neon kelp]

the members write the lyrics themselves
and u say under the radar huh

[opaque torrent]

i think newjeans has a nostalgia concept overall tho

and le sserafim is a sophisticated girlcrush

[neon kelp]

yea ur correct

[neon kelp]

yep that's what made million of people like newjeans

since they were different from different groups out there

[opaque torrent]

coming of age/nostalgia = newjeans

[zinc zodiac]

Now lyrics aspect is a whole can of worms in kpop.... We r not sure how much they r credited.. Did they write 1 line?? A whole verse?? Not to mention there r multiple people credited along with them... We know how kpop companies deal with idols involvement

What I will say.... Props to ador in making the girls involve in the music

[zinc zodiac]

Agree 👍

[acoustic valve]

The girls are pretty big and popular in Korea, 3 of them more than any LSF member imo, it's just with the traditional kpop and online crowd maybe that they're not as "popular"... but this demographic, especially the international part have never been very relevant marketing wise anyhow. The main point was, the members being who they are is as much part of MHJ's influence as anything, it's kinda pointless to try and remove MHJ and the girls since the members are a direct result of her creative choices, it's like asking "what if MHJ didn't do y2k+natural concept? Would it be as popular?"

[neon kelp]

u seem like a hater tbh

Idk what else to say

[copper jetty]

I also think this in part is readying them for the time when MHJ comes out of Ador. So they could make their own songs and their own beats the way they want it. I look at it as MHJ teaching them her own tastes and her styles.

Also good morning NJcord 😆

[neon kelp]

good morning

[opaque torrent]

unlike sm and yg, hybe artists are encouraged to contribute to song writing

[neon kelp]

yea fr

[zinc zodiac]

Good point.... Which I think is what puts this whole situation in a question mark... I'm trying to remember whether there has been any creative personnel who has integrated themselves this deep into a group like her.. Been a fan of kpop for 10 years but i dont remember

[copper jetty]

True. And that is why I like hybe more tbh. They allow their artist to be artist and think outside.

[opaque torrent]

my ult is red velvet so dont call me a hater hehe

[copper jetty]

That's why I bit into the whole "we believe in music" charade etc.

[opaque torrent]

it could also be a marketing tactic too to make them seem more authentic. all labels have their pros and cons. sm artists have less embarrassing encores for sure tho

[zinc zodiac]

I assure u I'm not... I've been part of this discord even before they debuted... I've been anticipating MHJ project since 2022 jan

But i also don't blindly believe every thing companies spew

[acoustic valve]

I think it's just part of MHJ's vision, a large part of NJ is for the concepts and output to be as sincere, genuine and natural as possible. That necessarily requires the girls to feel and take ownership over the music and content Ador is putting out. And she did say she feels a responsibility for taking over 7 years of the girls' life and wants to make it as much of a fulfilling journey full of personal growth as possible

[neon kelp]

as we thought hybe company is just good as that but it turns out to be the worst company

[zinc zodiac]

Lol now that u said it.. I went nd checked.. Mar 17th 2022 was when I joined this discord.. Oh wow it's been a while

[zinc zodiac]

Goes to ador too... And MHJ

[opaque torrent]

i joined predebut but i left and came back bc i am a drama queen

[neon kelp]

u joined discord on feb 27 2020 and this server on mar 17th 2022

[zinc zodiac]

There's no sides to take in this tbh... Both r a mess

[neon kelp]

LMAO

[zinc zodiac]

Yep correct 😊

[opaque torrent]

i was going to stop listening to kpop and esp hybe groups after they threw garam to the wolves but i'd also been waiting for mhjxgg since 2020 so

[neon kelp]

no ador is better then hybe rn since it's under mhj

[neon kelp]

we can't say that both is a mess
we clearly know now that mhj is innocent

[zinc zodiac]

In the end.. All I'm hoping for is the girls to continue being a group nd doing music.... The higher ups can fight untill they get exhausted for all i care

[acoustic valve]

i was totally gone from kpop for over a year before NJ debuted... but it sucked me back in and I been following most grps again... but this ador/hybe incident has totally turned me off kpop again... only here for NJ now

[opaque torrent]

mhj has been in the industry for 20 years with a scandal-free record. i love bts but they have a history of cultural appropriation and bang pd is a plagiarist. and the whole cult thing. how can anyone say they're on equal moral grounds is beyond me.

[zinc zodiac]

Do u have sources for this?? Every response from ador and MHJ till now have been that they agree of the charges but they fight back that hybe exxagerated every single one of it which knowing hybe probably true.... In her press conference, MHJ admits to stuff she's accused of but says it's all media played and overblown

[tiny peak]

my favs were gfriend, loona and NJ .... yeah i'm definitely done with kpop after this

[zinc zodiac]

If there's something I've missed, lemme know

[copper jetty]

For me I've been a casual listener to KPOP since 2nd gen but I went out of it until 2021. I just got back to being a casual listener and discovered NJ. I Went to lolla and had a great time and became their fan. Now their my only ult.

[opaque torrent]

the pins have really good articles/summaries but i think we wont be vindicated until the police conclude their investigation

[zinc zodiac]

Agree... Untill then, both sides r not cleared of the accusations they put on each other

[copper jetty]

Also we still don't have any information on what evidence hybe sent to the police. If there is any that is incriminating.

[opaque torrent]

ador's rebuttal make more sense tbh and the legal opinions (not only knetz) on the korean side sympathize with her too

[opaque torrent]

right and they're not even suing the guy who wrote all the incriminating documents theyve been leaking

[zinc zodiac]

I'm guessing the storm will pick up once the board meeting happens on 10th

[opaque torrent]

yes enjoy the peace

[acoustic valve]

I mean, do you think trying to separate Ador from Hybe, even by legally grey methods makes you a bad person? I don't think she necessarily did but even if so, I don't think it makes you a bad person. What Bang PD is doing though, I strongly abhor regardless of its legality

[zinc zodiac]

I've been a kpop fan since 2012... Le sserafim and newjeans r the only 2 groups I enjoy right now... Once their era is done, I'm probably done too

[dry atlas]

relax lol

everyone's entitled to their own opinions

i don't see them bashing the girls it's fine

[acoustic valve]

why didn't you get into 5050?

[zinc zodiac]

Well in business world, they have some crazy casualities for sure what she intended to do

[copper jetty]

Well... there's the contract technicalities. But I wouldn't mind really if Ador becomes an independent. It should've been since the beginning and if it stops BSH from influencing their music.

[zinc zodiac]

Atleast in my country.... Even if we ignore the insider trading issue... As a shareholder, trying to capitalize on the stocks being a less than associate holder in a subsidiary company by sharing material info to outsiders is straight 3 years imprisonment

[opaque torrent]

i got into 5050 🥲

[copper jetty]

Awww...

[dry atlas]

are you active in reddit? name seems familiar

[copper jetty]

Yep

Hahahahaha

[dry atlas]

thought so hehe

*x https://twitter.com/5manwon8282/status/1786615400131887474?t=N29VqkNQJ_y0LXMdOQKZrg&s=19

[harsh dove]

@5manwon8282 <t:1714797279:d>

[dry atlas]

[lucid yarrow]

Freedom

[hoary frost]

https://x.com/cato_o_o/status/1786593484926857500?s=46&t=lncf7vo09FEx5ZDvXg81LA

Cato_o_o (@cato_o_o) on X

Kho Sang-Rok, an attorney who worked at the Kim and Chang which is the same law firm currently working for HYBE weighed in on MHJ vs HYBE feud on his YouTube channel titled

[Exclusive] “Is the demand for contract termination part of a power grab? Nonsense. A lawyer from

1/

Twitter · May 4, 2024, 3:07 AM

legal community sides w mhj, tho its worth mentioning that they dont have full picture or audit results. we will see if it changes as more is revealed

[neon kelp]

look hybe isn't a good company as u think all this started bcs hybe stole newjeans concept and ideas and gave it to illit's company belift and about the charges hybe is making fake accusations against mhj and ador and for hybe I think they never wanted to debut newjeans so mhj had to do it instead
and also they preferred le sserafim over newjeans and thus le sserafim got the video called as "casting call" while newjeans didn't and plus they didn't even got a teaser for their first song since hybe was so invested in playing favourite and bang pd litterally said to mhj that she should make it look like that le sserafim is her girl group and not newjeans but mhj didn't listen to that request and newjeans debuted somehow and as we know the moment the attention mv came out it blew up like crazy and ever since bang pd has been jealous of newjeans success and bcs they received so many awards and songs been on the billboards for months and the rumours of the cult related to hybe makes it worse.
so that's all I have to say and screw hybe company

[zinc zodiac]

That's the only place hybe has a leg up against ador in this case IF they have anything

[copper jetty]

When sharing material information to outsiders, the legalities of it, it should be viewed on the intent of the person though.

[zinc zodiac]

This is all emotional rant which MHJ did in the press.. This doesn't hold up in the court tho? The only thing I agree is the internal complaint raised by her which is agreed on both sides... Also, I never said hybe is a good company

[short laurel]

They are from korean gaming industry. They will be predatory af.

[copper jetty]

Not all gaming companies are predatory

[tiny peak]

korean gaming companies are

[copper jetty]

That said also I don't know any gaming company that isn't. 💀

[neon kelp]

wdym by emotional rant
whatever mhj expressed there was her true feelings right and there
and she exposed hybe's secret texts too

and also I'm wondering that did u came here from twitter

[zinc zodiac]

There is a chain of command that is to be followed when doing this generally.. I only recently signed and submitted NDA claus for the corporate I work in... I'm a mere employee but I had to give disclosure that I'm not trading in any of their securities or sharing material info to others

[copper jetty]

Yes YOU did. Did MHJ thogh?

[zinc zodiac]

It follows to ur L1 and L2 employers and then based on the circumstances it will be approved or else scrapped

[hoary frost]

MHJ press conference + her and ADOR statements have a lot of points that could be used in court. I do not know why someone is reducing it to emotional rant or her downplaying allegations. I advise you to re-read information and analyze it based on the positions provided by both sides. You will find loopholes and rebuttals. We have already discussed majority of the content here and I find it pointless to do it again.

[neon kelp]

I bet they just came straight from twitter

[zinc zodiac]

She didn't.. And that's why there is a case

[copper jetty]

So she didn't sign an NDA. Which means that she can legally show it to a third party.

So what is your point???

[neon kelp]

the evidence was right there and it will be def used in the court

[copper jetty]

[acoustic valve]

I think some people are mixing up what is moral vs. what is legal. I can watch a cop legally beating up a homeless person and think they're an absolutely evil person that deserves all the worst things, and I can watch a poor mom steal a chocolate bar for her kid and hope she gets away with it. But I guess for some people legal = good person.

Personally, based on everything I know right now about the situation and its context, I'd support and hope Ador and MHJ gets their way regardless of legal details.

[zinc zodiac]

From the sources I read, most of her press conf was less about responding to the actual allegations which again they accepted but passed it as a joke between the VP and her... It was more about her unearthing the mess in hybe of how she was being treated at work place... I'll definitely read it again to see if I missed but that's the jist

Cmiiw

[neon kelp]

don't read the sources omg
they are fake

[copper jetty]

Are you reading the news sources or the "fan" translations of the sources?

[tiny peak]

pretty sure you've been influenced by western, i-fan, biased coverage of the topic

[neon kelp]

fr lol

[zinc zodiac]

Koreajoong daily was the first source I read... After that the pinned sources here

[neon kelp]

I saw the korean news two days ago about this and they spoke completely true

[zinc zodiac]

I don't keep up with translations

[neon kelp]

only thing was that there was no translations in the video

[dry atlas]

hey dont fight . let me watch queen of tears in peace

[hoary frost]

[gaunt flame]

hi

[neon kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-on-way-home-queen-of-tears-kim-soo-hyun-kdrama-gif-15311560331693190433

[dry atlas]

pls take care of chat

[opaque torrent]

all contracts from big corporations stipulate that you cannot disclose your contracts to third parties. hybe is alleging she did, mhj is denying alll allegations and saying her memos/kkts are the extent of the "evidence" they have. most people following this feud in good faith and those in the legal field don't think hybe has a case. but there's still that once chance they have more.

[gaunt flame]

Remove my slowmode and I will moderate it

[zinc zodiac]

When it comes to business side of things.. Ofc definitely.... Emotional and personal stuff put aside, this is a power struggle so of course legal is what matters... Emotional stimulations don't matter in the end imo

[zinc zodiac]

Yep... That's where I am at too... All depends on what hybe has with them

[acoustic valve]

yeah and I'm saying regardless of legality; 🖕 hybe

[zinc zodiac]

Lol I'm with u there....

[neon kelp]

u see mhj broke down completely at the interview
guess she was hiding a lot then what she shows to others

[opaque torrent]

mhj's press conference covered all the mediaplay that have been against her, not just the more serious ones. she addressed the dispatch expose on her stealing source trainees, that source CEO was the one who discovered newjeans and knetz speculations that she disbanded gfriend while leaving source music in debt. her just getting straight to the point to set them straight is pretty convincing and we havent heard a peep from dispatch since so we can confidently say mhj's words are the truth.

[neon kelp]

dispatch is the worst

[gaunt flame]

Let's just think innocent until proven guilty and I'm still thinking that MHJ is innocent since HYBE hasn't proved any of their accusations are true.

[arctic sky]

I saw a comment by a netizen said that if u could talk for 2 hours non-stop u would have won an oscar for best actress

[zinc zodiac]

We heard one side of it... But making a decision based on hearing one side is never correct... There r always layers.... Even things that seem normal can be made sensational if u know how to lay them out

[opaque torrent]

she can't really address the allegations hybe made at her bc they haven't said anything on record against her at the time. everything that was released about her was hybe's mediaplay. leaking out of context memos to the press to frame a narrative. she did bring up the non-compute clause, which she isn't supposed to, but, again, what mhj said of the clause seems to be the truth according to legal experts.

[zinc zodiac]

Like I said.. Both sides r a mess and I'm not on any one side... If anything, I'm more on the girls side

[half knot]

I have to admit I chuckled loudly at this

[zinc zodiac]

I want them unaffected and to do well

[opaque torrent]

hybe has not acknowledged nor confirmed the media reports that SHE leaked anything. (but we all know they're the ones feeding info to the media to report and speculate on)

mhj also said her consulting external parties was her lawyer during contract negotiations.

[acoustic valve]

i mean, i think we're all on the girls side... and the girls are clearly on mhj's side, it's just a matter of how much they're willing to sacrifice in supporting her... but they're clearly supporting her eitherways

[half knot]

The overwhelming legal consensus even if they disagree on details seems to be that if HYBE had an ironclad legal case, they could have just gone through the legal processes and won quietly and be done with it. The fact that they decided to wage this public media war and character assassination on MHJ specifically is a sign of legal weakness but flexing of financial and media control power to pressure MHJ to step aside and break her contract first.

[zinc zodiac]

👍.... Let's see what happens

[half knot]

that's what we're all doing, waiting and seeing.

[neon kelp]

I just know mhj is good and innocent
unlike hybe so I'm on her side

[acoustic valve]

I know the girls want to remain with her instead of being thrown to the wolves at hybe, that's all I need, the girls always seem so happy with her

[opaque torrent]

sorry if we're borderline stanning mhj here but the kpop community is gatekept by ARMYs and therefore hybe apologists by proxy. they're not translating everything and they're painting koreans as stupid for siding with her but those koreans consist of mostly the general public and legal experts who are more familiar with korean law than the typical kpopstan is

[zinc zodiac]

They haven't really said anything... MHJ has made sure to talk on behalf of them... So there's that... I wouldn't take that as final of what the members think...

[acoustic valve]

If the girls chose to speak up and support Hybe, this would all be over instantly and MHJ would be fired. That's how u know they're not on hybe's side

[neon kelp]

and u don't read the fake sources lol

[neon kelp]

yea they are happy with mhj

[short laurel]

There are few but depends on persons perspective. Like for me part of square enix ffxiv team isn't but rest of square enix is greedy bastards.

[half knot]

how often have you seen artists speak up directly when their companies are in legal battles or even if they themselves in legal battles?

[opaque torrent]

yes mhj is unpolished and introverted. for two days straight she was relentlessly attacked and everyone was convinced she was the devil incarnate so she also acted purely on emotion

[neon kelp]

Ik naughty dog and they are pretty good in making games (except tlou2)

[zinc zodiac]

Or after good legal counsel they r waiting to see what happens and which side triumps... Saying for or against any one side will make their position a mess

[copper jetty]

Yeah I do agree with that, that's why I said company lol

[hoary frost]

this. hybe framed it as she was consulting investors and leaking confidential info, when it was about contract negotiations. standard practice. even if she seeked advice about M&A, it is legal and does not violate laws.

[opaque torrent]

and i was disappointed when she called out illit too but if we all engage with whats happening in good faith, its clear shes talking about those who manage them. she even said that too.

[half knot]

the girls are either way under contract with ador not HYBE

[neon kelp]

she should have said belift instead of illit
the members themselves haven't done anything wrong

[arctic sky]

I was prob the few ones tht always stan mhj nvr had my doubt even once till shes proven guilty.

[opaque torrent]

agree agree

[half knot]

and anything they do and say has to go through ador, and MHJ is as of now still in charge there, regardless of the girls own positions. and their teens, who has legal opinions about things as a teenager?

[zinc zodiac]

Yeah that's where ig the disconnect is for me with u guys .. Taking a side in this when nothing is clear about the actual accusations is a no for me

[acoustic valve]

Not really, the company's only artists saying they lost confidence in their CEO would be all the reason Hybe needs to justifiably remove MHJ. On the contrary, them speaking up for MHJ does nothing for Ador's case against Hybe. Pretending the girls are neutral in this is some pure copium

[half knot]

again, how often do you hear idols speak out in legal cases?

[opaque torrent]

yeah thats fair.

[half knot]

cite me examples. there are a few, but they are the extreme exception.

[zinc zodiac]

Not speaking is the best thing to do as an idol in these cases... Doesn't mean they support either of the parties

[copper jetty]

I also didn't like that Hybe told the media regarding the girls' parents not meeting them. Granted MHJ was the one who called them out on it, but why would hybe even disclose that to the public??

[acoustic valve]

How often do cases like this happen in Kpop? Give me examples...

[half knot]

I just mean legal cases in general, even if idols are in a contract termination battle.

[neon kelp]

wtf no the idols should speak up

[acoustic valve]

5050, they said everything under the sun and more against their ceo

[opaque torrent]

they're probably fined heavily if they do

[half knot]

yes that's one case. 5050 were the extreme and completely idiotic exception in the end.

[tiny peak]

loona sent many, many hints about their predicament

[copper jetty]

Which they won right??

[tiny peak]

even if they weren't allowed to say things outright

[half knot]

Chuu throughout her legal battle with BBC didn't release a single statement, kept saying one's coming but it never happened lol

[acoustic valve]

my point is, why are we pretending the girls might secretly be neutral in this when they can end all the turbulence and go back to business with no drama and brand damage by speaking up and getting mhj fired instantly?

[opaque torrent]

man 5050 case makes me sad. like i know those girls did not like ceo and he probably did not treat them well. however, at the beginning, he really tried to give them a way out by saying they were manipulated

and dispatch was only targeting silahn, not the girls

yet they were so confident. it made me sad

[acoustic valve]

because if the girls were truly neutral and don't care who wins; that's the rational choice. End the battle over management rights as quick as possible

[zinc zodiac]

Isn't it obvious.... If hybe side wins, their position would be even more unstable? There r things at play that doesn't concern them and are bigger than them... So why would they involve and end the turbulence?

[acoustic valve]

so you're saying... they hope hybe doesn't win? 🤔

[zinc zodiac]

I'm saying... Them not speaking up is exactly the position they should be taking here... Waiting it out

[neon kelp]

and wait for how long?

[opaque torrent]

i think hybe going straight to the media and pulling the trigger on mhj was their hoping they could end up like attrakt's ceo. but mhj is a veteran and has competent legal representation.

[zinc zodiac]

Depends on how the situation develops... But it should be clear by the end of the board meeting nd EGM

[opal zodiac]

Hi... press conference subs are done, but need some help.

If there are any native Koreans who have good English that can help review the subs please add me.

The video will not be uploaded unless it's reviewed multiple times to make sure it's accurate, so please help 🙏

[zinc zodiac]

Which I think is end of may right??

[half knot]

that won't be for a while I bet. right now ador's legal team is in delay mode, the May 30th meeting will get moved back.

[acoustic valve]

@opal zodiac go to KR chat, they'll help u

[neon kelp]

I have good english but can't read korean lol

[opal zodiac]

ohhh true 😅

[short laurel]

Thank you for your hard work tikki ❤️

[short laurel]

According to mhj hyein wanted to in phoning but she stopped her. Either if girls have opinion it'll be said in court n not public. Otherwise everyone would start sayinh "mhj manipulating them"

[zinc zodiac]

One thing I will say tho, I just feel really sad for both fimmies nd jeanies... The witch hunt of fimmies is really sad to experience as a fan which got escalated with what MHJ did ... With newjeans, I hope they don't get affected too much and focus on themselves and each other

[short laurel]

It's best that idols stay quite

[acoustic valve]

that's what people say alrdy. But if they do speak up directly, and MHJ does end up losing, it could be extremely bad for them afterwards. Not worth the risk for whatever little to no effect it would have on MHJ's legal defense against Hybe

[short laurel]

Yea

[short laurel]

What i m worried about is the resentment it'll leave among nj n illit members. Fandoms already hate each other now

[neon kelp]

fr?

[acoustic valve]

i mean, I think it's the least of their concerns rn. Probably worrying about keeping their team at Ador intact and hoping the board isn't fired by hybe

[short laurel]

N btw Atleast in east girls have alot of value as individual. They each have saperate brands n they already attrack so much clicks in ther brand events. So even outside nj atleast in east they will be popular. N if hybe replaces members everyone will notice n not like them as much unless hybe do something really creative which as we know they wouldn't

[zinc zodiac]

Yeah that is one thing that will always make me disgusted with what MHJ and hybe did here... To save their skins, they let illit, lsrfm be involved.. Newjeans atleast seem to receive positive support so that's good

[acoustic valve]

90% Hybe's fault ngl...

well, maybe 80%

[short laurel]

It's hybe's fault. She had to bring lsf n illit in ti explain all the media play hybe did

N she clarified that members are not at fault but management is

[tiny peak]

definitely HYBE's fault, ADOR never hinted once they were unhappy with those groups

[short laurel]

It's ifans fault for reading things halfas

[half knot]

it's not just those three groups even, HYBE brought in BTS, TWS, BND, etc through "an insider source" mediaplay

[tiny peak]

yeah HYBE was using their fans as attack dogs and shields as usual

[short laurel]

Hybe brought their shield of army 9ut if no where as always

[acoustic valve]

Hybe dragged like 6 different idol groups into this through media play... the initial illit drag though, that's mhj's fault but it was understandable since that was seemingly the direct cause of why Hybe ambushed her the way they did. It was necessary to bring it up in explaining her side

[zinc zodiac]

The lsrfm involvement was her fault too imo.... She brought the members by name into it...

[tiny peak]

after HYBE started a one-sided smear campaign, she had no choice to explain

[short laurel]

Cuz only then she could explain what happened?

[acoustic valve]

Hybe paid for a wholeass Dispatch "investigative" article that started that bruh...

[tiny peak]

she had to explain that whole mess

[acoustic valve]

LSF is 100% Hybe's fault

[short laurel]

Bang was in too much rush to debut izone members

[zinc zodiac]

Her reasonings could be as sound and strong as ever but there was a better way to do it than bring the members by name, put a comparison to them and newjeans

[dry atlas]

people seem to conveniently forget that happened

[arctic sky]

Blud wanted to believe that mhj that brought this whole thing and blame her lol

[tiny peak]

a dispatch article that was also indirectly threatening the NJ members and their legitimacy

[half knot]

LSF was def brought in by HYBE

including name dropping sakura and chaewon, MHJ then talked about it during her presscon

[acoustic valve]

and also dragged tried to blame Gfriend disbanding on MHJ... like what, it was so ridiculous like omg

[short laurel]

It could've but considering what mess she was involved in cuz of hybe how could someone crying can say things in best manner possible. Her whole press was mess.

[half knot]

all of the groups were first mentioned by HYBE, briefly in some cases, in details in others. ILLIT was the only one that wasn't first mentioned by HYBE.

given the onslaught of articles, it's easy to forget just how much was dumped

but the timelines are clear unless articles have been taken down in embarrassment since

[tiny peak]

and it's easy just to read biased i-fan narratives

[acoustic valve]

yeah the first two days was absolutely crazy, new leak involving another group every 2 hours

[short laurel]

Like can u really expect a crying person to say things in formal manner. She already made it clear that girls are not at fault.

[zinc zodiac]

I'm not in for the blame game.... Both her and hybe could do whatever they want... I'm here for the girls and the situation definitely escalated in the worst way possible with how she laid things out in the press conference

[short laurel]

No

Read everything again. Everything from day 1

[half knot]

she was clarifying what she was already being accused of with respect to those groups and the timeline.

[acoustic valve]

nah press conference was the biggest PR W in Kpop ever, whatever minor faults may have been in it I can't blame her. She was defending herself, her team, and the girls

[tiny peak]

yeah any person has a right to defend themselves in that situation

[short laurel]

Read purely from the links in pins n don't even look at Twitter translation. Especially not from tmikpop. Read everything again

[opaque torrent]

This is now just a debate over decorum of the direct parties rather than principle and finding out what’s the truth.

Yes she was tactless and HYBE was a snake but don’t absolve dishonest kpop stans who will always find ways to abuse idols regardless

[zinc zodiac]

By throwing similar girls in other groups to the public for scrutiny ?? This take i don't get.... I applaud her for standing up to protect herself and her team, the girls but what about the collative casualities that happened??

[opaque torrent]

If you’re a fan and you engage with this discourse honestly, in good faith, illit being “mini-jeans” wouldn’t get brought up and LSFM’s coachella performances have nothing to do with MHJ’s alleged insider trading nor HYBE’s alleged sadistic and misogynistic breach of trust against MHJ

[acoustic valve]

Well yes, if it's necessary to bring up their names in order to give the clearest defense possible with proper context. It's necessary, especially since those same idols were directly used by Hybe already to publicly smear and attack her character and reputation, and the legitimacy of NJ as a group

[zinc zodiac]

Definitely.... But my talk wasn't about kpop fans doing their toxic stuff... It's about the entire mess that ensued post the press conference and the front back statements from both sides

[twin cypress]

To be fair hybe can’t stop them from using their real names

[half knot]

okay but how else was she to fight back against the behemoth that is HYBE when they were throwing the book at her? Just honestly what else could she have done?

[opaque torrent]

Even knetz who are some of the worst offenders aren’t hating on illit, they’re hating on bang pd. And LSFM and illit aren’t brought up by legal experts outside of the context that HYBE is the guilty party

[zinc zodiac]

By now questioning the legitimacy of lsrfm and illit as groups??

[short laurel]

This person is hellbent on blaming mhj on. It's only ifans hating on girls koreans didn't say a single thing to members of illet n ksf

[zinc zodiac]

Coz that is the current state right now

[acoustic valve]

she didn't,,, she directly addressed the false claims made against her. Whatever else you're extrapolating is on you, or more likely, the fan sources you're reading

[zinc zodiac]

Not true... U can go to any lsrfm anniversary videos in the past few days... Any social website of theirs in Korea too and u will see it filled with the same stuff

[opaque torrent]

Yeah I think she would still get blamed for the hate even if she was pc about it… that’s just the way stans/antis are. Obfuscating responsibility

[dry atlas]

the lsfm profile went over my head

[short laurel]

Oo there are? I inly saw English comments last u checked. Ill check again

[zinc zodiac]

Let's hope it's just online ones spewing all that stuff and actual public don't really think of them like that

[regal frigate]

Guys listen up

[zinc zodiac]

It'll pass... I'm just sad of the current situation

[short laurel]

Actual public is only on bang's ass not idols

[regal frigate]

I found this word on tiktok named Dahn world

https://www.tiktok.com/@haevixv/video/7363425489169517866?_t=8m3x7wWc6jw&_r=1

[half knot]

that's the cult that HYBE is accused of having links to, yes. the infographics of the "evidence" on this "conspiracy" would take a small novel at this point

[hoary frost]

this is the result of HYBE starting shameless mediaplay right from the first day. They wanted public opinion war, they got it. You are just mad that HYBE groups are being dragged in it, but NJ was facing 2nd 5050 allegations bc of HYBE mediaplay and they would be dragged to mud today if MHJ did not come forward.

[tiny peak]

these are the same antis that were spewing hate about coachella, encores, etc ... i don't know what their issue is ... but this has been going on for a while

[regal frigate]

So this is why mhj wanted to leave hybe

[half knot]

that's what some believe

[acoustic valve]

cult? That's so last month...

[regal frigate]

No, I seen a video about le Serafim dancing anti fragile based of like some sort of something I cant explain

[hoary frost]

MHJ probably paid blinks on Twitter to write hate tweets about their singing skills

[short laurel]

Cult is just speculation.

[acoustic valve]

yeah I know, I meant this cult thing kick off last weekend, was at its peak on Sunday/Monday... but it's still happening I guess

[grim shell]

I've got news for you if you think mhj isn't part of a cult too, she probably wanted out because dahn world was too much of a male dominated influence on hybe or something

[arctic sky]

LMFAO

[short laurel]

If somehow mhj wins it all. Watch how ifans scream that mhj paid the cops n judges

[regal frigate]

https://www.tiktok.com/@m.x3_se/video/7363626071738076424?_t=8m3xMXpgjdi&_r=1

[half knot]

MHJ is part of something else, as was clear from her time at SM and the symbolism. but it's not this cult.

[grim shell]

LSM has pictures with rothchilds/illuminati lol

[short laurel]

Everybig name in korea part if some cult. Question is which cult n how deep. Believes in God is just natural human thing. Problem comes when it's too deep n we have zero idea how deep hybe is

[regal frigate]

We lied the whole time, nwjns and le sserafim has been dancing a ritual

[half knot]

yeah.... different cult lol

[tiny peak]

SM was traditionally christian (maybe a shady version of it though)

[half knot]

freemasons even honored LSM

[short laurel]

Red velvet star ritual thing in every mv. Rv part of cult dam.

[hoary frost]

[regal frigate]

https://www.tiktok.com/@user3569370277791/video/7363194433849806088?_t=8m3xa7CSYGV&_r=1

[hoary frost]

ugh...its so scary

[regal frigate]

This is insane

[tawdry vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/chill-kill-red-velvet-kpop-comeback-irene-gif-10270474302608890161

[dry atlas]

can you keep cult talk minimal

[somber phoenix]

Ohwww lemme review..

[dry atlas]

it's irrelevant

to hybe vs mhj

[short laurel]

Reminds me of a christian getting ride of demon video from west.

[arctic sky]

Insert that zzb gif

[short laurel]

Sorry mel.

[hoary frost]

ADOR BOD meeting is on same day as Supernatural pre order open

[regal frigate]

For the whole time, we didn't know about hybe girl group is practicing ritual to get rid of witches or evil type of that

[hoary frost]

wait...was it May 10 or 13

[short laurel]

10 meeting. More details release 13

[half knot]

10th is when they decide to hold the EGM or not

[hoary frost]

They got UFOs on their side

[half knot]

I'm going to bet they won't hold the may 30th one

[short laurel]

Ooh

[regal frigate]

This literally caught my attention while I was scrolling

[hoary frost]

wishful thinking?

[half knot]

they'll argue it is not in the interest of the company or the artists as they are right in the middle of comeback, and court will likely agree with the delay

[short laurel]

Theyll delay as much as they can until nj cb is done

[half knot]

EGM will likely be in July, or at least MHJ firing will be in July if HYBE still wants to go through with it

[hoary frost]

let MHJ cook NJ1

[acoustic valve]

there's a lot of delay that ador's defense can pull... only reason I can see them not to delay is if they come to an agreement with hybe... which would end this.

[regal frigate]

MHJ tried to explain to people but some of them ignored

[half knot]

if they come to an agreement with HYBE, there's no need for the extraordinary general shareholders meeting

[short laurel]

We need a hacker to hack into hybe's system n get all the dirt on them

[hoary frost]

i don't think agreement will happen. they gonna fire her anyways and swallow ador

me: pessimist by nature

[regal frigate]

https://www.tiktok.com/@thebryanjun/video/7363298340538420526?_t=8m3y1JHAXix&_r=1

[short laurel]

They not have valid reason to fire her yet

They have a very Valid reason to fire the ceo of hybe

[hoary frost]

do not spam with cult tiktoks. mel warned.

[regal frigate]

Wait

Do you guys remember that guy who uses the bear pfp?

[tiny peak]

yeah they don't have a valid reason, that was the purpose of the mediaplay and smear campaign

[regal frigate]

@은서:The picture of the bear drawn at the beginning is that Danworld considers the bear to be a god and offers an apology. There is also a tomb under the bear.

[hoary frost]

dispatch would do that if they were not bought by hybe

[regal frigate]

https://www.tiktok.com/@dive_love_wonyoung/video/7363655361020136711?_t=8m3yCuotHce&_r=1

[short laurel]

Ok enough cult talk already 💀 it's just meme at this point

[half knot]

let's move on please, until we have something more solid like heal yourself brain education lol

[short laurel]

Dispatch i doubt they'll survive long if they keep staying with hybe

[hoary frost]

please, do not cause Shin Wooseok any more anger. He must be sick of all OMG allegations

[dry atlas]

unless the cult thing is mentioned in hybe vs mhj, dont post the cult anymore. I'll start timing people out

[grim shell]

they got to illit as well 💀

[regal frigate]

https://www.tiktok.com/@123456689q/video/7364046946194951432?_t=8m3yJJqLwHK&_r=1

[short laurel]

Not just mel but everyone is fed of it

[acoustic valve]

even if may 30th meeting happens and mhj gets removed... depending on Ador's articles of incorporation (which we don't know the exact details of) there's likely legal recourse for her to remove the removal and stay as the CEO... just so much we don't know but it's a safe bet Ador will keep delaying unless they come to an agreement with hybe

[half knot]

yeah unless there's some direct ties to HYBE with solid evidence being mentioned, the cult stuff is just a distraction from all this real solid HYBE power play against ador and MHJ

there's enough interesting and terrifying things with the real events going on, no need to tie conspiracies into it

[half knot]

there's something funny about that 30th meeting that somebody was mentioning in a video analysis

MHJ would be the chairman/arbiter of that meeting, and she could just ... not allow a vote on her removal as per ador's articles of incorporation 😄

[neon kelp]

I'm texting in the server rn and they seem friendly

[half knot]

assuming that is written as such, in which case it's another lawsuit, so another delay

[short laurel]

Aww that's nice

[neon kelp]

yea

[serene cloud]

probably meant on twitter

[neon kelp]

oh wait yea

[dry atlas]

https://youtu.be/xAmvYGLHpIs?t=52s

They even got the voice right

[short laurel]

considering she was genuinely crying there idk if making so many memes about it is fine. :v

[neon kelp]

I guess they are taking mhj for a joke

[arctic sky]

They took the part when mhj was cursing lol

[dry atlas]

It's a trending topic in korea. Comedy shows always do that, all over the world

Let's chill

[tawdry vessel]

snl is just a parody

it shouldn't be taken seriously

today was a good day cause no hybe media play

and mhj posting stories on instagram

this is peace

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-zen-focus-walkman-earbuds-gif-12972884

[hoary frost]

??? fake fan spotted

[tawdry vessel]

lowkey disrespectul to the girls who have been working hard to get to where they are now

[hoary frost]

its not even true but whatever makes them sleep at night 🥰

[mortal willow]

any updates

[hoary frost]

nothing. its weekend

[steep torrent]

*x https://x.com/M_stupidG/status/1786741596031234356

[harsh dove]

@M_stupidG <t:1714827367:d>

[steep torrent]

look like blackq is on her side

[vale grove]

Lmfao this is a crazy thing to say in a NewJeans server don't you think?

[acoustic valve]

if u keep reading you can see the agenda... hint, pfp kinda gives it away. just fans doing fan things, its ok

[vale grove]

Yeah for sure

[copper jetty]

Well it's actually good that we're all civilized people here and don't resort to...

[orchid field]

[neon kelp]

that's what I said changing hanni,danielle,haerin,minji,hyein in their dreams
we are too used to them like really and we wouldn't wanna see anyone taking their place not even a single person

[cerulean sail]

Other groups have crap branding, but it's the newjeans girls fault somehow

[copper jetty]

Them telling MHJ was the one who name dropped Kkura and Chaewon but the dispatch article went over their head. 💀

https://tenor.com/view/what-the-point-went-over-your-head-the-point-gif-8730078

[vale grove]

Let's just say we slap the faces of illit on them, it STILL wouldn't be the same.

[neon kelp]

fr

[valid sierra]

*x -c https://twitter.com/JoongAngDaily/status/1786733289400660087
uhmmm..........

The Korea JoongAng Daily (@JoongAngDaily) on X

The Ministry of Culture, Sports and Tourism will order an investigation into the alleged chart-rigging practice, known as #sajaegi in Korea, of boy band #BTS's agency #HYBE back in 2017.

https://t.co/gjECwVotOs

Twitter · May 4, 2024, 12:23 PM

[harsh dove]

:warning: Tweet with id 1786733289400660087 does not contain any media!

[acoustic valve]

ruh roh...

[orchid field]

they are opening the oldest can of beans around... the ministry is about to f around and find out lol

[short laurel]

the reply. lol wasn't it exoL who supported BTS when they were not popular? now army hates on exoL ?

[hoary frost]

🥴🥴🥴🥴🥴

[orchid field]

its ok dont feed the trolls

[hoary frost]

HOLY army is fuming 😭 the court documents already prove that they did sajegi (chart manipulation), but it wasn't illegal back then (2017), so I guess they're investigating if they did it again after?

it just feels like rage bait... like what are they gonna do even if they find something lol

[short laurel]

wait they did?

[acoustic valve]

at least it will give some other imaginary enemy for army to fight, can't say I'm too sad

[short laurel]

ok that's more than enough to make me feel happy. even BTS needs chart manipulation

[hoary frost]

just sucks min heejin's gonna get flamed again for this

[acoustic valve]

she's gonna get flamed eitherways, this should draw their attention away

tbh, legal chart manipulation is just called promotion... it's only "payola" when its illegal...

[short laurel]

huh

[acoustic valve]

ig it doesn't rly apply to this case though... since some people actually went to prison for it... but big hit was found to be innocent, is that what they investigating again now? Whether big hit was guilty?

[short laurel]

i m confused how chart manipulation is promotion ?

[trim nebula]

kpop members have to be asian right 💀

[short laurel]

there are non asian kpop members

[trim nebula]

rly

[hoary frost]

blackswan has lots of korean fans

[acoustic valve]

in the broadest definition of "chart manipulation"; paying for a billboard that says "My music is out now! Stream it on all platforms now!" is chart manipulation, the difference between that and paying a radio DJ to intentionally play your songs? Whether it's legal or not, and whether it's legal or not depends on some arbitrary notion of "fairness" decided by the lawmakers...

[trim nebula]

is there any else member who is not asian

[short laurel]

ooh. i didn't know that come under chart manipulation.

[acoustic valve]

often though, illegal methods are more price efficient... which is I guess why they still tempting to use

[short laurel]

i thought it was something like using bots to increase counts or something

[acoustic valve]

most people don't use the term like me, when they say "chart manipulation" they imply it's something illegal haha

yeah like bots, that would be illegal

or at least against every streaming platform's terms of service

[short laurel]

X:IN

[hoary frost]

Yeah I think that's what they mean of chart manipulation with sajegi: "Attorney Hong noted, "The act of music piracy typically refers to repeatedly downloading music using macros or other people's IDs, constituting a criminal offense of obstruction of business regardless of whether it happened in the past or present."

[short laurel]

well in X:IN i guess indian and russian are still asians

[trim nebula]

lol

welll thanksss

[acoustic valve]

can;t complain... the more pressure Hybe is under, the less they can press ador.... hopefully

[short laurel]

so which chart manipulation BTS did in 2017? illegal one or promotion ?

[hoary frost]

illegal now, not back then

[short laurel]

what they did ?

[hoary frost]

.

[short laurel]

ooh

[upper solstice]

good thing they have such marketable personalities cuz thats all they rly got going for them over there

[hoary frost]

🤡

[short laurel]

I feel so bad for the 7 members. The man bang pd they trusted turned their fandom into absolute shit from the very start.

[valid sierra]

all because of hybe media play. so damn messy

[opaque torrent]

Let’s stoppp

[mild mist]

'breeds' is giving me 🙅 🙅 🚨

[opaque torrent]

I read the article and what I gathered was that the ministry has to investigate bc of the petition? Is it bc the petition had enough signatures?

[opaque torrent]

Yeah they did lol I guess a lot of ARMYs didn’t know this

[dry atlas]

this seems like a hybe only issue like the cult

[opaque torrent]

This is amusing bc ARMYs have been conflating HYBE’s sadistic media play against MHJ with an obligation be transparent with shareholders, misapplying the Capital Markets Act to the situation. now their group is being reinvestigated lol

Hitman bang karma strikes again

[hoary frost]

its always funny to me when they have kpop profiles

[serene cloud]

maybe hybe should kept their mouth shut or something

[short laurel]

Is there a thing where if a majority shareholder is ruining business with stupidity against every other shareholders. Their right to make any decision in company is stripped away?

[short laurel]

Whats annoying me is they are bringing exoL into this. They keep crying that we brought bts into this when it was hybe who did it n they themselves bringing in other groups n their fandoms.

[old cypress]

Yeah they can just fire the CEO and replace him with someone who isn't loyal to Bang Sihyuk

It's unlikely to happen since Bang PD owns the majority of the voting shares

[half knot]

And on top of that, if they are caught, charged and actually convicted of this, the penalties are usually just a miniscule fine, so they just put that fine into their calculus as cost of doing business.

This happens in every industry unfortunately.

[half knot]

35% right? Minority shareholders CAN force their will though, look at SM fiasco from last year.

[opaque torrent]

is this true? https://twitter.com/cato_o_o/status/1786899715017097452

Cato_o_o (@cato_o_o) on X

Any NewJeans fans who were in K-pop in early 2022 and after have HYBE financial predictions for pre-debut NewJeans and LSF?

Gossipy YouTube channel bringing up that before both groups debuted, HYBE estimated 350K album sales for LSF and 90K for NewJeans. Not sure if this is BS.

Twitter · May 4, 2024, 11:24 PM

[short laurel]

I say bs..

[dry atlas]

why

we all know how they had no confidence for nj debut

[half knot]

The problem is I've read many of these financial predictions and they rarely mention album sales numbers if ever.

[short laurel]

That's why hybe calculated nothing on nj

[dry atlas]

numbers might be too conservative but it fits what we know

[half knot]

It is true that the financial analyses predicted much higher revenues for Source Music's girl group than Ador's. But none of them showed actual album sales predictions.

which is a fair assumption given one was an established company with long history with Big Hit, and the other was presumed to be a risky venture with a new company.

But we do know now that internally nobody other than MHJ really believed in NJ out of the HYBE executives (remember MHJ was also an executive at HYBE at the time).

[opaque torrent]

i remember an article where park ji won said he was surprised at newjeans' numbers. i wish i can find it. it seems like an impossible task now lol

[half knot]

there's been a purge of the past too in the past week or two

[short laurel]

For a hybe gg 90k is waaaaay tooo low. Even if people didn't like the group it would still sell alot more than 90k is what i think

[half knot]

not necessarily given at the time HYBE also had GFriend records and fromis records.

Girl groups in general weren't hitting such big numbers until 2022...

[short laurel]

Gfriend n fromis were established be4 hybe n not under big 4

[opaque torrent]

i just tried googling and kpop reddit keeps showing up 😭

[half knot]

give me a minute, let me see what I can dig up

there was a Yuanta Securities Research Center 2022 forecast reporting that mentioned source music new girl group is expected to debut in Q2 2022 and have 3-5x the revenue of Source music's existing girl group (GFriend). This was before GFriend had disbanded, the date was Jan or Feb 2022.

and GFriend sales were around ~70K per album. so that's where the 350K might have come from.

I'm trying to find the PDF but not successful so far.

It's also one of the sources that tied MHJ's vision to the girl group before it was known that her gg will be separate.

[short laurel]

Didn't they both cross 500k?

[half knot]

LSF debut didn't cross 500K in its first year

they kind of stopped printing after the first month because of the Garam scandal

[short laurel]

Ooh

[old cypress]

no, fearless albums were still available when i went to korea

[neon kelp]

Morning njcord

[half knot]

https://circlechart.kr/page_chart/album.circle?nationGbn=T&targetTime=2022&hitYear=2022&termGbn=year&yearTime=3

if you look here, that's how much they sold in all of 2022, which is about the same as they sold/shipped in their first month of May.

and since Gaon/Circle Chart is albums shipped-albums returned, they simply didn't print more than their initial wave in 2022. Perhaps they started printing again in 2023, which is why Fearless total sales are now at 570K.

[old cypress]

that's how it is for almost everyone

the first batch usually stays in stores for a long time

[serene cloud]

unless the demand is really crazy, not many more will be printed

[old cypress]

yep

[serene cloud]

and small batches will be sent over time

new jeans ep is 1.5 million in circle, that was over a period of time as demand increased and they had to print a bunch mre

[old cypress]

it had nothing to do with garam which was my point

[serene cloud]

i mean it may have had a marginal impact but i doubt it affect the numbers that much

[opaque torrent]

350k vs 90k is so absurd and seems like a leak from ceo park ji won/bang pd's personal manifestiation vision board, but it is also unfair to compare their debut album numbers. lsfm 'fearless' had 3 versions while 'new jeans' had 9 versions i think -- and we also don't know how many albums were in actual circulation.

i think its a little unfair to say hybe had little faith considering they wanted to use mhj's name to market their gg, but they most likely didn't expect nj to outperform lsfm ever

[short laurel]

I just think considering how much hype was around hybe's gg. Even though nj come as surprise they would still be expecting nice numbers. 90k seems too little even if they had little faith.

[old cypress]

personally i was around when lsfm and newjeans debuted. There was a lot of hype around lesserafim but i had no idea there was a 2nd gg from hybe until Attention dropped

[opaque torrent]

yeah i think i thought lsfm was mhj's gg until lsfm started leaking predebut promos in march/april 2022

[steep torrent]

this is so funny man, they will refuse to blame hybe
https://x.com/seocjnkm/status/1786793954555687296?s=46

nova⁷ ⭒ (@seocjnkm) on X

Damn if the k-armys suspension turns out to be true about reporters being the ones filing the case against 875 then I'm damn sure that mjh is behind all this!

Twitter · May 4, 2024, 4:24 PM

[half knot]

"suspension"

sigh, back to grade school you go nova7

[opaque torrent]

MHJ must live in a world where she was 100 hours a day to accomplish half the things int’l kpop stans accuse her of

[half knot]

and hundreds of millions in wealth lol

[opaque torrent]

Seriously lol

[half knot]

it's really funny that they accuse her of this but not hybe with their billion-strong warchest coffer

the legal case that came up from 2017 recently again literally has an admission from HYBE that they employ "viral marketing", the exact thing HYBE is accusing the other side of and ARMYs are buying it

[valid sierra]

mhj really got them thinking she's some fantasy evil genius

[half knot]

I wonder if she wants to retain this mythos about her, as a deterrent in the future lol

don't come after MHJ unnie, she'll fuck you up

[valid sierra]

i wonder if mhj even know that shes in her villain arc rn

[old cypress]

what's kpop without conspiracy theories

[half knot]

I have a strong suspicion that MHJ is very hyper aware of everything that happens in social media

[copper jetty]

I would think she knows though.

Good morning NJ cord!

[half knot]

morning morning

[sharp acorn]

mhj is literally in this discord server

[half knot]

I would not doubt it tbh

[old cypress]

hi mhj

please sell ador merch esp sweaters and tshirts ty

[sharp acorn]

hi

[half knot]

if not her, she likely has an intern watching the discussions in different fan platforms

it's only good smart business to do that

having a finger on the pulse of the fandoms

[valid sierra]

hi mhj, please release the worlds 2023 light jeans

[half knot]

kind of off-topic, but given the claims that NJ were being shunned internally or that there were interferences in their promotions, as well as the text that the apple event was being manipulated to send somebody else, do you think perfect night and gods were switched around in terms of the artists that got them? 😄

this is only half hearted half joking of course, from the vibes of the songs..

[old cypress]

LoL is the (vastly) superior game so no

[half knot]

true, I guess riot can pay a lot more than blizzard

[old cypress]

perfect night felt like a standalone pop song, didn't feel like a song made for OW2. Hybe execs prob scrambled when they saw newjeans bagging LoL

[valid sierra]

riot said that newjeans were the only artist they were considering

[half knot]

ah I must have missed that. sounds like the apple event when tim cook specifically requested and invited newjeans lol

[old cypress]

as always lol hybe prob got rejected so many times

[acoustic valve]

or just as likely, she's extremely turned off from social media and only engages with her ig and people that @ her. Because otherwise I can't imagine surviving with all the bs about her... She either gets it and how stupid it all is, or she's totally unaware, no middle ground

[opaque torrent]

i think she keeps up from a staff member. no way would she be able to function if she reads the viotriolic garbage said about her

[half knot]

right, somebody that gives her a summary of the direction of it all perhaps

they do have legal teams to monitor stuff for significant slander too

[acoustic valve]

nah Riot's made it pretty clear they approached NJ directly, and Riot LoL collab is definitely a bigger gig than an overwatch collab... so it's not like hybe gave LSF the better collab there

[old cypress]

there's a lot of art and music stuff ongoing she def follows it in a way or another

[old cypress]

same pattern everytime

[opaque torrent]

i've been a target of internet smear campaigns and i am a nobody. its exhausting and stupid. miserable people need company and i've learned after a while its best not know what strangers think of you at all. its really their problem.

[old cypress]

brands go to newjeans and hybe is def not enjoying it

yeah but you can be on social media and not check anything about yourself

[acoustic valve]

makes me so angry knowing how hybe was treating NJ...

[opaque torrent]

she was aware of illit's plagiarism talk and the dispatch smear article

shes like NUH UHH you're not going to repeat what you did to 5050 with me

[acoustic valve]

kpop stan social media itself is still quite different from what gets filtered to spaces outside of it and the news in general... I don't think she's neckdeep in kpop twt... she'd be insane if she was

but yeah, she knows enough to know generally what's happening, like trending topics on theqoo and stuff

[old cypress]

kpop twt is full of 15y olds, nobody in their right mind is knee deep into this let alone neck deep

currently international armies are asking South Korea to apologize to bts

[opaque torrent]

the people on reddit skew older tho and they def are 🥹

[acoustic valve]

nah, kpop twt got jobless 30 yos too, and honestly, those are the most brainbroken and insane...

[old cypress]

people on reddit think they're the lighthouse of the kpop world

[hoary frost]

many overlook it but gods was just lol theme song made by riot team, while pn was promoted as "1st english single" and was made by hybe songwriters and their foreign songwriters as well. OV collab is similar to PP girls in nature than LoL. and no, there was no switch. I think brands directly go to ador and ador does not give up with the ones they want unless... yeah. LoL is huge in SK and they always pick the ones that are huge

[old cypress]

newjeans got street cred and it's the only group since BP that got it

[opaque torrent]

i've been in a few discord with ppl my age (millennial) and they def are. its really unfortunate. like i've seen armys my age hate on aespa bc of karina allegedly called jimin ugly. i've seen 30 year old ARMYS hating on garam bc they believe she is stalking taehyung and want to have adult relationship with him

[old cypress]

that's normal, if you hang out with kids you end up talking and thinking like them. That's the problem with reddit, they spend all their time reading takes from middle school girls

[acoustic valve]

kpop's full of toxic 15 stans of course.... but the worst is almost always the 30 yos that never grew up out of that phase... like I expect young people to be kinda deranged, but when you're grown up and still act that way? That's when they get rly delulu...

[opaque torrent]

for some of us millennials, when we get a stable income aka adult money, we like to revisit our childhood. for me, it's spending recklessly on sailor moon merch and dolls. for others, they wanna be back in high school living their regina george fantasies

[modern summit]

wth

millenials act like kids tf

[old cypress]

there's a lot of adults doing just fine, they're just not on reddit or stan twt

[opaque torrent]

it keeps us young ok!!

[old cypress]

or kpop tiktok, i forgot tiktok

[hoary frost]

yea its true. hybe sometimes incudes sales projections in their powerpoints. i think one of them had similar numbers projected.

[modern summit]

yall almost 30...

[opaque torrent]

lol tiktok is really scary. some of y'all reveal your faces while wearing your tin foil hats

[old cypress]

i couldn't find any source

[acoustic valve]

yeah, but I imagine most have also grown up enough to be sensible and know these are hobbies meant to bring us joy and things aren't so serious... set-up accts dedicated to creating fanwars or hate tweets is like really weird for people with fully-formed brains to dedicate their time to...

[opaque torrent]

yeah the. same age as jin and irene ❤️

[hoary frost]

it might be in old ppts. hybe might have them on their IR section of website

[modern summit]

i dont think its the same visual tho...

irene is not human

[half knot]

Irene's 33 this year lol

but she doesn't really age, so she may as well be 10,000 years old

[modern summit]

ig we will never know

[old cypress]

nothing

[half knot]

yeah I couldn't find anything in official hybe documents or releases from that era either

[old cypress]

no mention of newjeans before their debut

[opaque torrent]

ive managed to established some friendships with older kpop fans, but it's really unfortunate a lot of ppl my age engage stan wars, conspiracy theories and sound like panncels

[old cypress]

but maybe in the full report and i cba to download it today

[old cypress]

damn that's unfortunate

[opaque torrent]

when did newjeans tease 'july 22'? bc i think their debut was a surprise

[opaque torrent]

i think its also the nature of this hobby

[cinder verge]

wait so the whole reason newjeans debuted out of the blue was because of this dispute with hybe

[old cypress]

there were mentions in the news before their debut

[tawdry vessel]

irene my first bias in kpop but tbf i only follow rv and nj

[old cypress]

but as you said, it started in july

[half knot]

HYBE's first press release about NJ was on July 21st.

https://m.entertain.naver.com/now/article/609/0000605257

[opaque torrent]

https://twitter.com/alldoorsoneroom/status/1542656334394322945?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1542656334394322945|twgr^21209d07bae84e37c525fd1abd18dd9f2f42227e|twcon^s1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.allkpop.com%2Farticle%2F2022%2F06%2Fhybes-ador-teases-the-launch-of-its-new-girl-group-with-ads-around-gangnam

ADOR (@alldoorsoneroom) on X

22년 7월 22일, 드디어 어도어 신인 걸그룹의 첫 콘텐츠가 공개됩니다 🐇

FINALLY The first ADOR new girl group will drop its first content on July 22, 2022 🐇

Twitter · Jun 30, 2022, 11:48 PM

[half knot]

yeah that was on MHJ's insta and ador's insta and twitter

[hoary frost]

was searching on twt and other than me someone else also remembers lol. idk which report it was tho

[old cypress]

1veblink

[opaque torrent]

i think ador lost its trust in hybe and kept it them in the dark... and hybe/bang pd also never made the effort to reconcile

[opaque torrent]

oh are you cato? 🥰

[hoary frost]

no?

[opaque torrent]

oh nvm lol

[hoary frost]

[opaque torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/meangirls-danny-devito-gif-5158146

was about to have my 'omg cato i love your tweets' moment

[half knot]

July 22nd was teased on June 30th by Ador themselves https://twitter.com/alldoorsoneroom/status/1542714855685115905
https://twitter.com/alldoorsoneroom/status/1542656334394322945

ADOR (@alldoorsoneroom) on X

오래 기다리셨나요? 🐰

Did you wait for a long time? 🐰

Twitter · Jul 1, 2022, 3:40 AM

ADOR (@alldoorsoneroom) on X

22년 7월 22일, 드디어 어도어 신인 걸그룹의 첫 콘텐츠가 공개됩니다 🐇

FINALLY The first ADOR new girl group will drop its first content on July 22, 2022 🐇

Twitter · Jun 30, 2022, 11:48 PM

[lofty compass]

Samsung who? B4 BTS korea is very poor who even don't have food for eat

[half knot]

btw this is relevant
https://fxtwitter.com/v_4alleyesnears/status/1475306152082944000

They let their PR team go...

[modern summit]

uh

[half knot]

this is from 2021.

[hoary frost]

we can see

[opaque torrent]

lmao yeah i remember this. it was one of my theories as to why they wouldn't shut down the garam bullying allegations with all the proof in the world

[modern summit]

so apple or samsung now

[opaque torrent]

they want ppl who view their idols as blank canvases

[modern summit]

fr

[opaque torrent]

but that all changed since the bts group hiatus announcement that crashed their stocks

[dry atlas]

how is something from 2021 relevant

[half knot]

just the fact that they don't have corporate PR because of their ideology towards mysticism and keeping their communications at a minimum, since old press releases had come up regarding newjeans

[hoary frost]

i don't think thats what they're doing but maybe they think so

[opaque torrent]

ador's twitter is such a gem. i love all the graphics. does anyone know if mhj made any?

[hoary frost]

no, she is producer not direct artist who made it

[half knot]

I can't imagine anything visual arts related getting out of ador without MHJ's touch or approval lol

[opaque torrent]

but she began her career as a graphic designer.. i wonder if she's revisted it recently for her group, you know?

[old cypress]

one of the creatives went to sm i think, doing riize now

and the ador copycat label

[hoary frost]

2 of nj graphic designers became freelancers. sm hired them as soon as they left ig

[old cypress]

https://vxtwitter.com/krucialize_sm/status/1786231194973274133

[serene cloud]

hype boy what are you doing here???

[opaque torrent]

does it have to be so blatant? 😅

[serene cloud]

sm had to go through nj's purse again

[old cypress]

riize season greetings

[serene cloud]

riize don't be blue

[modern summit]

lmao

[half knot]

LOL

that's ........ kind of sad.

[old cypress]

I get that it's the same graphic designer but did they really have to ctrl-c ctrl-v

[modern summit]

even the font is the same thats crazy

[half knot]

graphic designers are at the whims of their customer after all

[hoary frost]

i mean we know who is on their moodboard. i think they are also doing similar roll out to nj get up for their album.

[acoustic valve]

this what i'm saying, I don't think illit is even the worse when it comes to blatantly copying NJ... it's only an issue because Hybe owns both belift and ador and shows clear favoritism in their treatment, which might even be tolerable if ador had more independence... but because hybe insists on sticking their hands in ador's management too, this could only ever lead to trouble

[old cypress]

yeah illit is a problem because of the label

[hoary frost]

I agree. I mean MHJ herself said it was inevitable that when sometimes becomes popular, its copied and replicated

[old cypress]

which is what mhj was saying all along

[half knot]

NJ is the new meta, after their success, there was an obvious and expected paradigm shift towards that meta from groups old and new.

[half knot]

That much was not a surprise. It's the other management issues and contract disputes that became more exasperated by ILLIT being NJ clone that led to this conflict as far as we can see.

Anybody with eyes or ears within the kpop-sphere already were calling all these groups NJ-like or NJ-lite or NJ clones anyway, whether they said it out loud or just in their heads lol

The artists, the idols have no choice on the matter anyway.

[old cypress]

rather than an outright copy, these groups are more like bait-and-switch

[opaque torrent]

hybe main character assassin tactic is making mhj look unreasonable

[old cypress]

bait with newjeans aesthetics and offer something else

[acoustic valve]

The issue is primarily with Hybe management, I don't even think belift necessarily did anything wrong, it's not belift's responsibility to ensure Ador isn't damaged in their pursuit for success; it's hybe's responsibility and they failed spectacularly

[hoary frost]

given all the problems between ador and hybe, bsh debuting gg whose image overlaps w nj and using some of the methods that nj used during debut, might have triggered her and make up her mind that bsh did not have good intentions towards ador or nj

[opaque torrent]

i think with all thats happened, it is reasonable for mhj to be upset. her group and now she was disposable to bang pd

bang pd is such a hack

blatantly trying to steal from her. figuratively and literally if the theory about trying to fire her so he can buy he stocks back at 30% is true

[old cypress]

if illit cb is in a mental hospital i'm gonna laugh

[hoary frost]

tbh. i used to check dcgal back then bc i wanted to see if there was nj cb hits. dcgal is pretty toxic unless u are in moderated gal. there were a lot of posts saying "bang sihyuk made his own newjeans. mhj can now leave". i feel like overall sentiment was same everywhere

[half knot]

I don't think anybody serious actually looked at ILLIT's aesthetics, concept and sound and thought "wow what an original thing, hasn't come up in kpop for a long time"

press media even mistook them for NJ before they had even debuted

[modern summit]

Jojo siwa

[old cypress]

everyone was comparing them to newjeans, from here illit already failed at being different

doesn't matter if the song is in a different genre

[hoary frost]

I would understand if BSH did this after 5 years of NJ debut (kinda YG type of thing), but yeah. NJ have yet to discard their rookie card

[opaque torrent]

and mhj didnt make a fuss publicly
if she really wanted to undermien their debut

[half knot]

Three girl groups before the first has even hit 2nd anniversary is very ambitious already
why not try to diversify them to appeal to different niches and cover all bases?

that was the whole point they had made about the multilabel system to start with

[old cypress]

once mhj started talking, they did a 180° like "what is she yapping about, illit is 100% different!"

[hoary frost]

[modern summit]

I found funny how she revealed all the messages like "you are going to smash aespa right?" got me dead

[opaque torrent]

now they're accusing her of employing bots to do her bidding.

[old cypress]

hope the subs come out tmr, sunday good time to watch the presscon

[hoary frost]

bsh should have benchmarked billie eilish for his gg, not newjeans

[opaque torrent]

you gotta accept that bang pd is in a cult and the university bts managers got their degree from is cult adjacent ok. and illit plagiarism talk was before mhj made her grievances public.

no one is blaming the illit girls or bts themselves. stop trying to put everything on this woman who's rightfully upset

[old cypress]

they're just being company stans

and as always the more noise they make, the more people follow them

[modern summit]

I think every PD are in a cult like jyp

[old cypress]

true mhj is in the bluehat cult

[acoustic valve]

MHJ was also right from a business standpoint, the whole point of this multilabel system is to expand total marketshare with diversified products. Cannibilizing one of your own sub-labels with blatant market overlap is bad overall for Hybe and defeats the purpose of this multilabel system, it only makes sense if you value belift's success more than ador's, which would arguably be Hybe failing their fiduciary duty to Ador... and good reason for them to be independent

[hoary frost]

strong agree

thats the main issue

[old cypress]

in any case, now everyone knows illit isn't a mhj group

[tiny peak]

kpop fans might not realize how popular NJ was within Riot games communities last year, both LoL and Valorant, many of the top gamers and streamers were obsessed with NJ

[old cypress]

all of korea pretty much

[hoary frost]

I hope ador/mhj can prove their case

[neon kelp]

me too

[tiny peak]

korea doesn't seem to be responding kindly to i-armys demanding them to apologize to BTS

[opaque torrent]

theres no way bts or even txt dont know how shady bang is lol

[neon kelp]

I just saw a video title rn on yt
bts returning from military and hybe wants newjeans to leave

[half knot]

army knew and hid a lot of the cult allegations back in the day, they know, they just don't care and want to support HYBE because they see it as the extension of BTS or vice versa.

it's such a weird relationship, like drones of a hivemind.

HYBE doesn't even need to do viral marketing when they have such an audience.

[opaque torrent]

its also a lot easier for men to seemingly play along and navigate that system.

[neon kelp]

I have been army since only 2020 and I was only 16 back then
but never met a toxic army so I'm glad

[neon kelp]

let's do the uno reverse lol

https://tenor.com/view/reverse-gif-19933931

[opaque torrent]

remember the awkward timing of the recent contract renewals for bts? a friend of mine had a theory that bts' contracts were a slave/10 year contract all along and the more-frequent-than-usual announcement of renewals was to mask that.

[neon kelp]

Idk anything before 2020 about bts

[opaque torrent]

they announced renewals in 2018 (two years before a typical idol contract ends) and again last september lol (10 year mark)

it caught a lot of us off guard

[neon kelp]

ohh

[half knot]

what was the final word on how long they renewed for?

[opaque torrent]

"2025 and beyond" lol https://www.forbes.com/sites/hughmcintyre/2023/09/20/bts-will-stay-together-in-2025-and-beyond-after-renewing-contracts/?sh=462256b439dc

https://www.koreaboo.com/news/hybe-labels-twice-many-subsidiaries-lost-money-gained-2023-according-report/ lol at bang/braun being a net negative. deserved

[acoustic valve]

The MHJ remarks from press con on Hybe CEO was a real hit on knetz. About how he caused Hybe to take multiple losses since his tenure but continues earning his official salary of 1 billion (who knows how much he earns through other means)

[dry atlas]

https://fxtwitter.com/metatwigs/status/1786881189908996308?t=KU34E5KJ3gkJuVewIq0ibA&s=19

[serene cloud]

[half knot]

it's sometimes ironic reading comments like "NJ girls have been resting and going on vacations while my insert some other HYBE idol has been working their butts off" as if that is somehow a good thing...

overworking idols for the sake of corporate profit margins is never a positive thing.

[neon kelp]

so it's like one side of my brain is at peace and other half side of brain is on depression

[dry atlas]

https://fxtwitter.com/ohmahahm/status/1786877599437975681?t=XSiV4JUn0FtmeRL8wwM6nQ&s=19

[short laurel]

Ik korea pension is minor shareholder but still it's the government. Couldn't they like attack him for breach of trust?

[half knot]

this hasn't gone far enough for that yet

[valid sierra]

i dont want NJ to be like this. this might cause their enthusiasm to fade away

[short laurel]

No matter how i c it. Bang making stupid decisions everywhere he go. Even in that sm drama he made stupid decisions. N again here with ador. Like shouldnt other shareholders be made at hos stupidity

[opaque torrent]

if blackpink released music (and better music), they have the perf schedule too. i could never hate on a group for taking 2 year breaks. that should be the standard.

[short laurel]

Even bts complained about no rest schedule be4 military right?

[opaque torrent]

they've never directly criticized it as being just for their own personal health reasons, but they have talked about how it stunted their creativity

*RM, the group’s leader, was blunt in his assessment of an industry that does not easily permit such reflection: “I started music and became BTS because I had a message for the world. But at some point I haven’t been sure what kind of group we are [any more] and for me, it was a big deal that I didn’t know.”

Visibly frustrated, he continued: “I’ve always thought BTS was different from other groups, but the problem with K-pop is that they don’t give you time to mature. You have to keep producing music, to keep doing something. After I get up in the morning and get makeup done there’s no time left for growth. Right now we’ve lost our direction, and I just want to take some time to think.”*

[ruby garden]

I just saw this comment on theqoo that explains why intl armys act the way they do really well

[opaque torrent]

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/jun/15/theres-no-time-left-for-growth-why-bts-have-paused-their-career-at-its-height

they're trained not to show their personal grievances but suga's shoulder was broken for almost five years. he was only able to get surgery bc the pandemic happened otherwise he would've been touring.

taehyung couldn't even be with his grandma before she passed away bc he was on tour.

[short laurel]

N yet fandom supports hybe

[acoustic valve]

reading those; I appreciate the path NJ has tread on so far even more, seemingly through deliberate intention. They're encouraged to listen to different music, read new books, learn about interior design, planned trips with MHJ of cultural sites in Tokyo. Some might want to believe it's all a big PR stunt to give off a fake impression, but MHJ really does seem to take seriously her statement of treating her 7 years with the girls almost like 7 years of school; that they should come out the other side feeling like it wasn't wasted time only spent chasing success and money. And from the testaments of people that worked with MHJ, that rings true from their experiences too.
I don't even want to imagine them stuck with Hybe by themselves...

[half knot]

terrifyingly accurate analysis of how ARMY live vicariously through their idols, rather than appreciating the idols as entertainers that they are.

okay so I found one of the first sources for Source Music gg from Global Auditions (MHJ's group basically) being mentioned that they will debut in 2021, from BSH's own mouth: https://youtu.be/MyGF8mFDMeI?t=1141

so MHJ's claim that her group was supposed to debut first isn't that far off at least from this

[serene cloud]

this was before the promise was broken ig

[opaque torrent]

ia with the theory that he wanted to directly compete with ive.

mhj had a completely new version while bang pd wanted to debut a hybe version of ive and now newjeans

i think i'm pretty close to being sold the theory that illit's name is inspired by ive too

a gg like aespa would probably be too expensive to replicate

koreans are having way too much fun while int'l stans remain miserable and unhinged https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSBpzGmsaWc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWlhA38LSS0

wow a hitman bang feature

[half knot]

I think LSF being rushed out had more to do with him wanting to compete with aespa, IVE's success just pushed his schedule ahead. Nobody really expected freaking Starship to put out a 4th gen leader group.

It's why LSF felt like a committee designed group and very obviously rushed out.
It's a miracle they ended up with decent chemistry.

[hoary frost]

this is why we have to appreciate MHJ's directing - its so visible that she gives so much creative freedom to the people that work for her. Erika & ditto MV director shin wooseok both spoke up on this.
if it wasn't for her, we'd probably just be another copy machine

[opaque torrent]

i think ive's monster success inspired the signing of sakura and chaewon

[half knot]

the timeline doesn't quite match tbh, Sakura was rumored to be signing with HYBE even before IZONE had properly disbanded, and Chaewon left Woollim for HYBE at least during Summer of 2021. I think the 'fear' of the wony-yujin based Starship group backed by Kakao money potentially being successful did inspire HYBE to try and grab two of the most popular IZONE members, and really tried to grab Minju too.

But it really felt like a group specifically put together with pre-existing fanbases for the members to launch into immediate success. A committee designed group.

Kazuha only joined them like 4 months before debut? Barely spoke Korean, and looks-wise seemed to be selected specifically for endorsements because she was so korean passing and matched korean beauty standards almost to a T.

[serene cloud]

also a ballerina with no kpop training - they were more concerned with stan attractors (not to take away from her own talents and hard work)

but it goes back to the idea they were just throwing various people together with very different training backgrounds

that's also probably part of why they are getting raked recently - they really haven't trained together for years like other groups do pre debut

[half knot]

No of course not, no slander against the members, I like them all and I generally enjoy their content. Just discussing how they were put together so last minute and with specific purpose in member selection, sort of like an all-star team or all-star movie designed to make money rather than provide anything of value lol.

[serene cloud]

tbf they did accomplish that

[half knot]

and yeah that probably plays a role, most non-survival show groups tend to train together and compete internally for years.

[serene cloud]

like i saw the baemon training period like 4 of them trained for 6 years, and 2 others 5 years and the youngest for 3 years

[half knot]

But like, what was HYBE gonna do, tell Sakura of all people to "work harder"? She was said to have brought a whole legal team with her to negotiations, I doubt they can force her to do anything lol

She even has a separate solo contract with a Japanese agency for her solo work.

How many HYBE artists do you know of that HYBE allows such a thing for?

[serene cloud]

she has worked hard on dancing though - vocal i don't know if it's just a mental or talent barrier at this point

[half knot]

of course, she has worked hard for sure.

[serene cloud]

probably bit of a and a bit of b

[half knot]

And back in 2022, when Yunjin released her first song, in an interview she mentioned that HYBE really doesn't provide vocal coaches or direction, just tells them to sing it how they want lol.

And we really can see that going back to even BTS boys, they didn't have real vocal coaches or directions, some of them hired outside personal coaches with their own money.

[opaque torrent]

it may seem like freedom but without professional guidance, you can cause great damage to those precious cords. especially with hybe's hustle culture!

plus anyone with proper vocal training will tell you that training pays off divendends and affords you greater freedom

i cannot believe how much yunjin's regressed. its sad

[half knot]

But they're a soulless corporation only interested in profit, not entertainment or artistry. They just wanted to debut as much as possible as fast as possible to fill their BTS void and lean off their BTS dependence.

And yeah Yunjin predebut could be considered one of the best vocals in 4th gen, no joke, but the past two years, she really hasn't matched up to that reputation or talent and skills she used to possess.

[waxen musk]

Been non-stop reading this thread. Since I base everything I know about K-pop from me getting into NewJeans March 2023 I really had no idea how different they were from other groups. You've opened my eyes.

[hoary frost]

damn rlly? i thought she and chaewon was trying to carry their group on their backs

[opaque torrent]

paying 1.5 billion for scooter braun's ithaca before it can even replicate the success of bts in the homeland smh

[half knot]

getting a swindler with no real proven track record of success outside of a couple of flukes was a mistake.

[opaque torrent]

swindler recognizes swindler

[half knot]

and he's more busy posting zionist stuff on his instagram than working it seems even to this day.

[half knot]

I mean they do carry the group on their backs, vocally

don't get me wrong, yunjin and chaewon are both great vocalists, it's just their skills seemingly have regressed rather than improve compared to how they were 2022 and prior.

[serene cloud]

[half knot]

or perhaps their producers simply do not recognize the extent of their vocals and give them unsuitable songs and difficult choreography to go with it

[acoustic valve]

i describe it as the difference between the dune and star wars (more so the recent ones) movies

[opaque torrent]

i also think mhj's reputation in the industry has attracted nj a lot of ambassadorships too

and she makes sure all of them have a blue chip contract so there's no accusations of favoritism

[acoustic valve]

oh yeah for sure, you can clearly tell there was a lot of deliberate intention to be as "fair" as possible with promotions and collabs despite it being arguably better at least in the short term, to just let the most popular members promote as much as possible

like pretty much how every grp does it, except for maybe JYP GGs (due to their history)

[sterile umbra]

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/k-pop/music/news/hybe-makes-attempts-to-contact-the-parents-of-newjeans-members-prompting-a-response-from-min-hee-jin/articleshow/109662585.cms

[copper jetty]

Yeah and as far as I know hybe released news that NJ's parents didn't respond to them.

[dry atlas]

https://www.reddit.com/r/kpop_uncensored/comments/1ckj80g/bunniestokkis_dont_care_about_newjeans/

i saw this shit so now you gotta see it too

[wet jewel]

There’s a comment that agrees

[valid sierra]

how to spot an NJ antis: "im a bunny"

[short laurel]

i not even need to read entire thread. just 1st para was enough.

[copper jetty]

I'd like to start this rant by stating I'm a bunny

[short laurel]

idk why people are so obsessed with calling multi billion dollars companies lesser evil in every industry. not just kpop

[copper jetty]

@dry atlas why you gotta do us like that??

[dry atlas]

[hoary frost]

how braindead are they holy shit

[acoustic valve]

the fact that the comment that points out Hybe dragged LSF into this and proves it with sources gets like 20 downvotes and the comment that says otherwise with no proof gets 20 upvotes tells you everything you need to know

[opaque torrent]

i dont understand where this 'mhj wants to isolate nj from others' notion come from. i just watched a youtube short of newjeans doing dance challenges with labelmates from two months ago and many more before the contract talks... they probably stopped bc newjeans can go on vacation and have other contractual obligations... not to mention work on their comeback etc

[short laurel]

they can't even read credits in the video and they call themselves bunnies

[copper jetty]

This is why I'm avoiding reddit right now. I literally commented on Hybe's media play and got downvoted to hell.

[hoary frost]

they wont do this cb for sure

[half knot]

It's always like that for anything and everything, huh
"I'm a [insert fan/enthusiast of a thing], but..." followed by an insane, contrarian opinion that shows they aren't really what they said they are lol

[opaque torrent]

the only subreddit i read are r/pomeranians and r/amitheasshole lol fandom reddits are always toxic

even when there are no scandals stans find ways to be toxic

[short laurel]

i've never seen a reddit with civil discussion. it's always toxic and biased.

reddit only useful for finding guides for things or stuff

[tiny peak]

I believe MHJ might have mentioned something about carefully selecting the members so they each stand out with their own charms and they aren't competing or overlapping with one another for popularity or attention. she is very purposeful about team harmony and limiting jealously. reading between the lines, I suspect that jealousy and competition between group members is more likely the norm in k-pop

[acoustic valve]

I've said this since forever, reddit kpoppies are often worse than those on twitter and tiktok; twitter and tiktok are mostly blind in their stanning and hatred. But the reddit crowd likes to pretend they're somehow smarter just because they waste more time writing words, all it proves is that they're more jobless

[opaque torrent]

ironically the only places i can have opinionated but civil conversations within fandom are like controversial threads haha... like the garam thread i met @half knot

[hoary frost]

this is what i am scared of. txt and enha have been touring non-stop. comeback - tour - new comeback - new tour. nj has great touring potential. theyre going to do same to them.

[opaque torrent]

the other being w/ fellow collectors who spend our savings on merch

[waxen musk]

I'm kind of glad I didn't "grow up" with K-pop and only got into it when I was already older than the majority of people. I'm scared to think of how I would be if I had embedded myself into K-pop community as my brain was developing lol.

[tiny peak]

surprisingly sports and competitive game reddits seem to be friendly based on my experience, maybe because the hostility is upfront and direct, rather than all the fake concern, backhanded compliments, and doom posting I see in kpop reddits

[orchid field]

pretty sure op is the one that doesn't care about newjeans LMAO

[hoary frost]

agree lol

[dry atlas]

will i see some comments from familiar usernames

[tawdry vessel]

r/nba, big nope lol

[opaque torrent]

it is! blackpink w/ jennie, red velvet with irene (before her scandal lol), aespa w/ karina at the beginning, ive with wonyoung/annyeong

[half knot]

that's the only way you can have a good community imo, by allowing discussion rather than curating it and turning it into an echo chamber.

[half knot]

lol that was quite the thread

[acoustic valve]

imo you would've been fine regardless, I think it's mostly other factors and personal temperament. You see this kind of derangement in all fandoms and areas. Kpop subs are actually some of the less annoying and brainwashed as far as large reddit subs go... but that bar is in hell so

[opaque torrent]

it was quite the contrast compared to the rest of the kpop community. i wasn't into kpop stan twitter before but i felt compelled to be bc she was a child who was relentlessly bullied and by my peers too

the lsfm subreddit was nice to her too at least

[acoustic valve]

the problem with reddit is that all subs eventually become hugboxes and echo chambers that brainwash themselves into whichever opinion is most vocal, it's just an intrinsic feature of the way it runs... it's good for some things... bad for others

[half knot]

at the end of the day, the people who supported the idea that this was all misunderstood and blown way out of proportion were right, as has often been the case in kpop controversies 😦

[waxen musk]

*sigh* I've learned too much in this thread. I want to go back to the ignornace is bliss era of just listening to new K-pop releases and not thinking about anything other than the songs and MVs themselves. NewJeans will continue to be the only act that I will deep-dive into knowing everything.

[half knot]

you're right. I blame it primarily on the vote system.

and the sorting that it allows. the awards system being scrapped helped a bit, but the brownie points just encourage one-directional mindset shift within any community.

[tiny peak]

yeah it's just funny to me because every groups fans are 100% convinced their favs are siblings and besties and all hugs and smiles

[half knot]

I can relate somewhat

sometimes one does wish to unsee and unlearn and go back to blissful ignorance.

[short laurel]

and then there are moderators of subreddits who are obviously biased and deletes any post which disagrees with them.

[opaque torrent]

the thing about being a kpop veteran is you keep seeing the same thing happen over and over again. what you learned about an issue at the beginning is not the truth... but no one waits it out. they gotta get in their opinions and stay married to those opinions. tablo, t-ara, jimin, kim woojin, etc, etc

[short laurel]

those same people fight within there own fandom which idol is better than others. :v

[acoustic valve]

Not to mention the planned brigading in reddit,,, whatever opinion becomes dominant in the 1st hour or two of a post then becomes a snowball effect

[waxen musk]

"I agree with that." +1. Comments appears at the top. More people read it. People think the most upvoted is the most correct and "learn" that is the way things are, even if it's not. Those people who have "learnt" this information will now say "I agree with that" with new posts. +1. Rinse and repeat.

[half knot]

yeah curating is the worst, mods powertrip as if it is their full time job.

[short laurel]

i c soo much irene vs wendy in some rv accounts. like they are both like married couple. how can someoen even think they are competing

[opaque torrent]

int'l kpop stans used to make fun of ketz for being dogmatic and abusive, but i think they're worse. at least knetz are just mean. they don't virtue signal or moralize their stanwars

[half knot]

the illusion that idols are really super close siblings... that illusion was broken with many controversies for the first generation of international fans in kpop, whether it was T-ara scandal, Jessica getting kicked out, EXO falling apart, or otherwise. new generations are just learning things again lol

[tiny peak]

competition and jealousy are natural, and I think MHJ understands you have to manage it and put the members in a healthy environment

[acoustic valve]

look on the bright side, kpop is not that serious of a topic. It's truly soul draining when you see this effect happen on subs about serious issues with potential for a lot of real world harm

[short laurel]

petential? we can already c real world harm happening everywhere. government use this for their own prapaganda even

[hoary frost]

i always thought they're two sides of the same coin lol

[short laurel]

speaking with experience in my own country.

[opaque torrent]

the only thing i-stans are better about are dating scandals, but theyre pretty much worse on everything else lol

[short laurel]

nha. i army are just as bad with dating scandals.

[half knot]

yeah that one is more selective lol

[short laurel]

was it RM who had to asked army that he wants to go on date ?

[half knot]

also I guess i-stans in general are not one block, too much diversity there.

[short laurel]

yea we are talking about like people from 100+ countries here.

(though i c mostly americans)

[acoustic valve]

true, knetz hate threads are like "she looks ugly" or even something racist, they don't hide the fact that they're haters and 95% of people recognize it and dismiss them. Whereas international fans rationalize their hatred through some form of performative activism and paints everyone that disagrees with them as somehow less moral or bad people.

[hoary frost]

true they think they're on the higher moral ground 😭😭

[opaque torrent]

right even in the most casual way its irritating. when they dislike release, they can't just chalk it down to preferences. they have to invest in that artist's downfall, create some backstory as to why it isnt up to par (per their standard) and act like its some systematically social ailment - like w/ stayc beautiful monster or itzy sneakers

[tiny peak]

I also can't stand how all of sudden all these kpop fans are vocal singing experts or music production experts

[acoustic valve]

everytime it can't be "this song isn't my preference" it's always "this is why kpop is dying, you should listen to real kpop such as links their favs"

[waxen musk]

I keep hearing about ITZY's Sneakers but I listen to it and don't get why anyone would hate it. I also haven't read a single thing about why people hate it, I just know people do. (Didn't know people didn't like STAYC's Beautiful Monster, I really like that song.)

[arctic sky]

Bring back old kpop

[waxen musk]

There's very little old K-pop I'm into. Focusing on new releases really takes time away for to me start discovering older stuff.

[dry atlas]

#kpop-chat

actually

thread has been ot for a while now

[hoary frost]

true

[vapid bronze]

Anything happened while I was gone?

[dry atlas]

since when were you gone

[waxen musk]

I'm ridiculously impatient to hear the results for all of this. But nothing is happening after what felt like too much too keep up with.

[vapid bronze]

[dry atlas]

btw what makes reddit echo chamber and this thread not

[hoary frost]

reddit does not have me

[dry atlas]

the fearnot from yesterday got destroyed

[hoary frost]

deserved

there is difference between coming here with logical arguments vs coming here with stan twitter arguments

[vapid bronze]

?

[waxen musk]

At least in here people provide sources and explain why we should trust some vs not others.

The context of everything I've learned from in here has helped me understand a lot, even if the majority of it was off-topic.

[acoustic valve]

good faith answer: reddit has 100000x the reach and the echo chamber is due to the way counter-arguments are always presented as less credible due to the upvote/downvote system. People instantly discount heavily discounted comments. Whereas here, that doesn't rly happen. Even if they are outnumbered and mass-replied

[half knot]

the fact that you don't actively delete opinions you may disagree with, and that people are allowed to express different opinions and discuss it instead of just being downvoted and hidden away

[opaque torrent]

we are one of the few places on the english speaking side that is pro mhj and we are biased. we should own it instead of pretending we're not and casting dissenting opinions away

[half knot]

but of course being a NJ server, it is still an echo chamber lol

[hoary frost]

one of few = only one

[opaque torrent]

some threads on twitter are pro mhj! lol

[waxen musk]

Makes such a big difference to not have voting system. But yeah people are one-sided in here and I wish there were more people to provide counter arguments just in case there are things even we are misunderstanding.

[acoustic valve]

NJ twt is turning around, or maybe it's just because I've blocked all the tokkis openly hostile to mhj

[half knot]

but we weren't insulting them and they weren't insulting us, and both sides still were able to express themselves, even if one side was perhaps doing it in bad faith and both sides were biased

[dry atlas]

ok will start doing that now

[waxen musk]

I still can barely believe how anti-MHJ and ready for a NJ controlled by Hybe I was during the first few days of this stuff. Now I'm terrified for that outcome.

[acoustic valve]

counterpoint: we should stop glorifying centrism and the need to hear objectively bad takes... but I respect ur prudence

[waxen musk]

Well I don't want bad takes lol ofc.

[lucid yarrow]

if this become an official NJ server would this be control by ador or hybe?

[hoary frost]

i'm anxious as much as I know how hybe works and how it may affect nj in long run. ador always felt like fresh existence inside hybe system, they had their own ecosystem which prioritizes well being of artists in good faith and not pretentiously like hybe does

[opaque torrent]

i was convinced too bc why would hybe be this aggressive if they didnt have anything on her? but then with more info, i was able to discern what is on the record and what is mediaplay... then my perception changed to - they wouldn't be this aggressive with the red herrings and straw mans IF they had strong evidence - but theres still a chance they do

we should be ready for that too

[half knot]

I've been around kpop long enough not to glorify any company, and that includes ador.

[valid sierra]

by minji

[half knot]

no kpop company is inherently good or doing it for the betterment of artists or fans. they won't succeed if they take that direction.

[hoary frost]

that's true. no one is innocent and i still prefer to pick lesser evil in every case

[short laurel]

was about to say everyone here sound same as people on other media jus on different side xD

[hoary frost]

can you really call yourself a tokki if you don't wan't min heejin to stay

[dry atlas]

newjeans is my first and only group

[waxen musk]

Has Ador actually done any "evil" so far? (Talking about picking lesser of two evils.)

[half knot]

not that we know of but they are fresh and new

[opaque torrent]

called out illit lol altho thats more tacky than evil ig

[tiny peak]

i don't think any of us can say whether MHJ is completely in the right and hopefully recognize that, but I think we're so tired of misinformation and HYBE media play

[valid sierra]

i can smell the armys in the reply section

[half knot]

see I don't think I buy the cinderella idea either, NJ weren't neglected, they just didn't have the focus on HYBE because partially that's how MHJ wanted it to be, and partially because they were doubtful about it fully working out.

[hoary frost]

Personally, I just don't like seeing newjeans being overworked, as HYBE keeps pushing them.

Not a great look and everything. Specially when HYBE didn't do a lot to advertise other groups while newjeans barely got anything.

[half knot]

the issue is we actively saw for three days that a 10 trillion won valued company went on a crusade to destroy ador and MHJ. and THAT was evil.

[acoustic valve]

Personally... I've always seen this issue since the start as a political powerplay from sides, probably with finances involved; whether either side actually did something illegal didn't rly make a difference on which side I hoped to win. My support was always hinging on which side is more favorable to the girls and aligns with their desires more... and that was likely always going to be ador...

[half knot]

it doesn't even matter if MHJ is in the wrong here, what HYBE did was a complete powertrip on a scale really unprecedented in kpop.

and I don't want NJ associated with that kind of evil.

[arctic sky]

guess who it's fromis_89

[opaque torrent]

its funny how even if ador is guilty of trying to dilute hybe's shares, it is still perfectly legal

[vapid bronze]

[half knot]

it is not illegal for a company to seek new investors.

[hoary frost]

mhj only seeks shamans

[opaque torrent]

yah aren't we always talking about power dynamics

[acoustic valve]

Rly depends on your definition of "evil"...

[valid sierra]

cant even enjoy tokki twt anymore. so many armys camped out there