NJZ Updates and Discussion

[opaque torrent]

ok before i thought it was kind of tactless but now i love that ador keeps mentioning artists names... like, oopsy there goes their value!

[half knot]

HYBE brought artists in this first, you can't fight fire with kindness when the difference in warchest is 3-4 orders of magnitude

[opaque torrent]

did they? i dont care. its not a stan war so i can discern between the criticism of leadership vs idols and i appreciate that mhj doesnt beat around the bush/mince words

but if hybe did, i'd love to point that out as well ^_^

[acoustic valve]

the only one I kinda fault ador for was directly mentioning illit in their 1st response after the audit... but tbh every1 knew it was illit anyway, so it was effectively the same result. Every other idol was definitively brought in by hybe for their mediaplay; LSF, BTS, Gfriend, Zico, and more(?).... Ador was merely refuting the claims made by hybe's mediaplay, i honestly can't blame them one bit

[orchid field]

https://www.allkpop.com/article/2024/05/ador-issues-a-full-length-official-statement-refuting-each-of-hybes-accusations

[opaque torrent]

oh true. the whole newjeans was actually scouted by source music ceo was media play by hybe/dispatch

and then bringing up mhj claiming xyz copied her

[acoustic valve]

and mhj was also blamed for the disbandment of gfriend, a lot of mediaplay happened in the first 2 days

like a new character assassination leak every 2 hours, it was honestly awful, understandable that some people forget or lose track

[opaque torrent]

in all of the translations, i don't find ador's tone towards the vp who confessed accusatory - just matter of fact

[half knot]

actually a miracle her press conference was able to reverse several days of overwhelming multi-front media onslaught of accusations and tarnish, at least in Korea.

[acoustic valve]

yeah, she was right; all she could offer was sincerity and she definitely was sincere (even if Ifans that don't understand Korean or even Korean gestures don't think so)

[opaque torrent]

people still believe that she leaked private info about their faves and their medical records despite not being able to point to an occasion where she might've done it

[half knot]

yeah I'm still waiting to see where exactly did these leaks come out

[orchid field]

day 0897098098 still no proof on that

[acoustic valve]

it's ironic that hybe's mediaplay of Korean media only manages to fool international fans... even K-army have nearly all jumped off and are not defending Hybe in this

[neon kelp]

I'm showing my parents too now about what's going on with hybe

[dry atlas]

really?

😮

[opaque torrent]

i-armys are a fucking cult

[valid sierra]

*x -c https://twitter.com/taesoothe/status/1785776576182788183
thats jennie in the profile right? why are armys so dumb

[harsh dove]

@taesoothe <t:1714597288:d>

NO WAYYY newjeans stans are now spreading an edit my graph based on official reports 😭😭😭 and they couldn't match the shade of gray I used for the background MY LUNGS

[acoustic valve]

there's also a lot of discussion about workplace sexism due to this incident, and in particular amongst the leadership. Even then, men are mostly agreeing with MHJ despite Korea's sensitivity to feminism... a demographic of 99% women wouldn't be caught supporting BSH... well, most of them anyway

[opaque torrent]

https://x.com/Sugatch27/status/1785295735908614440 a lot of ppl are supporting mhj bc of this too lol

渋谷NEWS (@Sugatch27) on X

渋谷公園通りにseventeenのベストアルバムがダンボールごと廃棄されていました…これは酷い… #SEVENTEEN #セブンティーン #세븐틴

Twitter · Apr 30, 2024, 1:10 PM

[twin cypress]

Picture card culture is so toxic 😂. I remember seeing when lsfm dropped people would leave the album full of everything but the pc behind

[waxen musk]

I actually feel discouraged to buy albums for other groups. I tried with groups like aespa and NMIXX but their albums are just photo books with things like a poster and one or two photo cards inserted inside the pages.

Gave buying those a try at the start of this year. I think I’ll continue only buying NewJeans from now on.

[mild mist]

There are some horribly unimaginative albums out there

But there are also some good ones, maybe check unboxing videos before you buy

[half knot]

it's because album sales have lost their meaning

you can no longer tie album sales to fandom size or unique fan count, it's insanely hyperinflated and it's all about some pointless collections and charts bragging

the articles going around about seventeen album selling more than taylor swift being an example of how meaningless it is

[valid sierra]

i visited le sserafim, illit, enhypen, and txt spotify profiles they all have bang pd writing credits AND crazy tons of remixes. while fromis 9 and boynextdoor doesnt have bang pd writing credits does not have remixes. bro is bang pd really that crazy about remixes

[half knot]

it's part of the formulaic approach about maximizing numbers, and streams and charting

[mild mist]

More remixes = more streams

[waxen musk]

Wait do remixes count towards the same number as the original version?

[half knot]

depending on charts, yes and no, but it certainly counts towards artist's total streams and views

[orchid field]

yes and thats why they are so adamant on doing it

[valid sierra]

isnt it better to just have the original version? they are not streamed that much anyway. bro even magnetic (released last month) already have 5 versions

[orchid field]

just bangpd pride things

[upper solstice]

soulless remixes

[half knot]

it depends on your ideological approach to music

in case of hybe, all they care about is maximizing numbers and profits, and while that's always been a part of the music industry, if it's the sole focus, then the music itself becomes irrelevant

and if you've already fostered a parasocial fan culture where valid criticism = hatred, and everything released is good and must be supported or the artists suffer, then you've already won. just spam whale noises on streaming platforms and sell soulless cardboard with a random selfie gacha photocard and profit.

[valid sierra]

it kinda ruins the artists spotify discography, very messy

[twin cypress]

Tik tok remixes

[opaque torrent]

hybe is lucky tyla isnt taking legal action

[nimble stream]

agreed

couldnt agree more

[acoustic valve]

he just doesn't have a single creative bone in his body and copies whatever the most popular industry trend is in order to chase "success"

[hoary frost]

he is just obsessed with hot 100. we have seen this on so many occasions

[acoustic valve]

if i had his number I'd ask him if he's happy now ㅋㅋㅋ

[half knot]

did anybody listen to the full context of how MHJ described that "are you happy now" message?

[dry atlas]

for what

copying afrobeats?

[half knot]

she was angry that they had no contact for many months, and instead of congratulating her or saying "how are you doing, it's been a while" etc, he just opened with "are you happy now kekekeke"

[dry atlas]

(not sarcastic)

[acoustic valve]

yeah, and if you get context explained to you from koreans, it's undeniable that the tone is extremely sarcastic and aggressive

[half knot]

it really is abnormal as far as corporate communication goes

[acoustic valve]

like not even in a "its probably sarcastic" way, it's just 100% sarcastic

[half knot]

it's sarcastic with a hint of vindictiveness

[half knot]

I wouldn't necessarily go that far, but it is telling that his works never really took off or got any kind of recognition until BTS went viral after one direction's collapse and then a few years after right before covid and into covid era, BTS music just became english american popslop, as generic as possible, and that's when they had the most success.

It's not like LSF or ILLIT are the first time he has produced a girl group. When MHJ was working on SNSD, Shinee, EXO and especially f(x), given that's the group she was most involved in creatively, BSH was producing ....... GLAM. With Source Music managing GLAM...

[tiny peak]

HYBE has more girl groups planned this year right?

[acoustic valve]

it's a bit of a hyperbole.. but not by much. Also taking into account his alleged controversies of stealing ideas and not crediting them, all from women too... a worrying pattern

[half knot]

other than katseye, I haven't heard anything

moonchild just disbanded and that was technically with a little bit of HYBE Japan involvement, even though it was primarily LDH

[echo scaffold]

https://x.com/dxximimi/status/1507330550264385538?s=46&t=g9PgM903gnJAPMgRg0cSKA

DURIMIMI (@DXXIMIMI) on X

나도 이런 일을 겪었다. 이젠 아무도 믿지 않을 것 같은 너무나 유명한 모 아이돌 회사 대표가 나에게 개인적으로 연락을 했었다. 당시 그 아이돌이 초창기라 잘 나가지 않던 시절이었다. 망하기 직전에 나에게 찾아와 당시 젖은잡지를 운영하는 나에게 조언을 구하고 싶다고 했다.

Twitter · Mar 25, 2022, 12:16 PM

[acoustic valve]

yess, this incident among them

[short laurel]

it makes me wonder. when can she file lawsuit for defamation against hybe.

[acoustic valve]

i assume that's one of the reasons companies use media play and anonymous sources... it's impossible to pin anything down against the company or any individuals that actually matter

[echo scaffold]

some people suspect that vice president who moved from hybe to ador was a spy in the first place

[short laurel]

what are both party claiming? BTS only 2 memebrs last year. even BTS were not 60%. so dumb.

[half knot]

the problem also lies with korea's defamation laws. it doesn't matter if a person is telling the absolute truth or not, if it impacts somebody else's reputation, they can be sued, charged and fined or sentenced to worse.

[half knot]

trojan horse double agent spy, call it what you want, but if the evidence is his actions and him instigating others to respond to his musings, then that's a pretty bad look

[echo scaffold]

ador seem to defend him anyways

or maybe its in order to neutralize the exposures he made

[half knot]

it's also a good show of character to defend your employees

and not throwing him under the bus and blaming everything on him can also make people question hybe's intents here potentially...

[mild mist]

Probably, they seem to create a new group every month

[hoary frost]

stocks at 201k

it seems park jiwon issued statement that they are correcting multi label system with trial and error and will deal with ador as well

[tiny peak]

LOL what an idiot

[echo scaffold]

i think it doesnt make sense

its not going any lower after the day they started this

[grim shell]

Do you think South Korea will make a K-drama out of this eventually?

[half knot]

nobody would believe it

[tiny peak]

hmmm I think one that is inspired by this will come out eventually

[hoary frost]

hybe net profit is surprisingly low. they earned 390b and only 2.9 in net profit. they spent a lot on two groups debut. is label breakdown out yet

[short laurel]

can she atleast sue all those media sites who published all that lie ?

[half knot]

if she had infinite money, sure, but I doubt she has the funds or patience for that.

and usually media outlets have a level of immunity or at least plausible deniability like "we're just publishing what HYBE sent us" etc.

[short laurel]

isn;t that useable to attack hybe then if media said hybe sent them

[half knot]

I mean they were quite explicitly publishing HYBE's side after all, not even hiding it 😄

[echo scaffold]

people build their opinion on an issue through comments, most of all, the best comment, which pops up on the top with most likes. and Hybe has lots of people who would willingly work on that, stock holders, danh world devotees

and maybe fan of BTS or the other groups of bang si hyuk, illit txt le seraffim

there are just so many

[half knot]

which is ironic given MHJ's side is the one getting accused of manufacturing tarnish mediaplay and using troll farm or bots. But HYBE gets a pass for that lol.

https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/biz/2024/04/602_373782.html

It seems this feud has overall reduced investor confidence in kpop as a whole.

[short laurel]

allkpop comment section is depressing. all are just hybe stans.

[tiny peak]

accused by who? i-fans? yeah their opinion is worthless

[nimble stream]

arent we ifans?

[mild mist]

Don't read allkpop, for multiple reasons

[echo scaffold]

yeah and hybe themselves are not dropping

[tiny peak]

yeah you're right

[short laurel]

1.2 trillion is nearly 1billion usd right ?

100m less maybe

[mild mist]

Exchange rate is about 1400:1 won:USD I think

[echo scaffold]

the focus should move more closely to their relation with danh world and how influential they are

[half knot]

they still are and certainly haven't recovered, and their earnings call isn't helping

and overall they've been on a downtrend for some time, as has most of korean entertainment

[grim shell]

https://tenor.com/view/stonks-bad-stonks-stonks-cat-bad-stocks-cat-bad-stonks-cat-gif-11522299758188203870

[short laurel]

ok 872million market cap loss but domestic investors are still optimistic about industries growth. 😕

hope stocks go down more 😄

[dry atlas]

for my sanity which comments sections are similar to the vibe of this thread

[short laurel]

korean comment section probably

[acoustic valve]

korean comments on stuff like theqoo is good, as for english comments... probably pannchoa?

[half knot]

reading comments is a mistake imo, but any NJ music video comments, korean articles comment sections, super topics on weibo, theqoo and similar forums and threads and generals about this, even pannchoa? I don't know, I don't really read comments much.

r/kpop reddit is surprisingly one sided, but I have a suspicion it's because the other side is being filtered out by mods.

there's no way it can be that unified, even on echo chambers like most subreddits.

[echo scaffold]

they are actually taking down most of the posts about danh world and HYBE on NAVER,

[acoustic valve]

reddits just very easy to tip one-sidedly in a certain direction as long as it's a topic that elicits strong enough reactions; like go on any politically-related sub where its contentious; one side always bulldozes the other. Also, brigading is easy on reddit.

[echo scaffold]

this is two people sharing posts about hybe and danh world, writer asked for a summarization so anon 1 shared a link
then link was taken down after few hours, anon 1 shared a new link then the new one was taken down too few hours later

[half knot]

it's worth nothing that Naver does have investments in HYBE and vice versa, and they also partnered up for Weverse Company, which is 49% Naver owned.

[tawdry vessel]

what about the nj subreddit, are they also glazing on hybe or something

[half knot]

all of weverse platforms and phoning platform use naver's api, carried over from naver tv and vlive

[echo scaffold]

this happend on a app where people can talk with people who goes to same uni with them, it really freaked me out

And now the post in the picture is deleted too, but probably the writer got scared of the sitatuion

[acoustic valve]

hmm havent checked much tbh, but last I checked they were pretty measured, but you get general kpop fans from the other subs popping in too... lots of astroturfing happens between subs on reddit

[arctic sky]

last time ive checked that place still safe ,more of split opinions but better than r/kpop for sure.

[short laurel]

this just proves that dahn world is really involved with hybe

[half knot]

it doesn't really, but it certainly doesn't help the perception that there are forces in the background protecting hybe

[acoustic valve]

I liked a comment I saw on theqoo "when minji had her kalguksu controversy it was plastered on every paper in a single weekend, what about dahn's world? It's 10x more viral but I've barely seen 1 or 2 articles about it"

[echo scaffold]

yeah it is certainly real that there is huge force behind them but people wont believe because it sounds too crazy

[half knot]

yeah so much for hybe protecting its artists huh

[echo scaffold]

#1231839760759263232 message

[half knot]

yeah I remember you talking about that, it's really messed up

[lucid yarrow]

hope the gov is investigating this cult for real though

[neon kelp]

is the cult thing even real?

[short laurel]

lemon and hae look at what suwoo tagged just above. cult issue is real in korea. as with hybe involvement well it's up in the air.

[acoustic valve]

oh it closed right on 200k 👀

[serene cloud]

hello tokkis - any news

[tawdry vessel]

everytime hybe opens their mouth, stocks go down

[dry atlas]

aside from mhj statement not really

[tawdry vessel]

if knetz are serious about this whole cult thing, stop hiding behind your keyboards, go outside and protest.

[echo scaffold]

protest where

[short laurel]

well cult has part in everything. not just korea but all over the world. people have tried to protest but do u think it'll work when your entire system is part of or influenced by some religious group?

[tawdry vessel]

outside

in front of hybe building

[short laurel]

there are already protest trucks there + there's no proof of hybe being part of cult. just allegations

[echo scaffold]

please dont open your mouth

[half knot]

do people do that? protest random things in front of company buildings?

I've seen it in fictional media but don't know if it's done irl.

[short laurel]

if it's something very big yes. but mostly government related buildings. no idea if koreans do it but in other countries people do.

[tawdry vessel]

my bad, if its not safe, then dont do it

[dry atlas]

chill

[mild mist]

[insert 'man throwing eggs at CCM' video]

[tawdry vessel]

if media is silencing you then you have to do something to get your voice heard but make sure its a peaceful protest

[short laurel]

UK king.

[half knot]

https://tenor.com/view/hyunababe-throw-egg-tara-gif-22609124

[echo scaffold]

i think protest doesn't help most of case

[half knot]

boy couldn't even throw, but he's still a legend

[echo scaffold]

and its more likely to bring negative effect

i believe so

[short laurel]

media is not powerful enough to silence all of it. it's just some outlets. there are other media with posts openly shared. 1st learn whats actually going it. and what's the issue is. everyone in korea already knows. Protesting outside is not needed unless there's something bigger happens.

[short laurel]

there are rare occasions where it worked but yea very rare

[echo scaffold]

some people will turn around thinking they are psycho, and some people may think it is interesting

[short laurel]

protests jsut turns into mob fight mmost people protesting don't even have any idea what protest is about.

[echo scaffold]

do u think they cant replace her untill they find her guilty of murder or something

[half knot]

well it's more complicated than that, it'll depend on their articles of incorporation. if they dismiss her from her CEO position without just cause even if they are the majority shareholder, then it can be grounds for an unjust or wrongful dismissal. that in turn would trigger secondary clauses that most executives have in their contracts, involving heavy damages and other remedies.

she can also apply for an injunction against the dismissal, and likely would win a preliminary one if she can show her and the rest of the board's dismissal is against company and artists of the company's interests.

it's why HYBE wanted her to resign through a pressure campaign. It's a lot easier that way to get rid of a CEO.

[echo scaffold]

read it well

i thought there is just no way in reality of 80% equity

[half knot]

You're right, HYBE has every right to vote her out at a shareholders meeting, but the details really depend on the company's founding documents as well as her CEO contract. It's just like any other contract, breaking it in the middle of the tenure generally triggers secondary contract clauses, fines, penalties and other punitive measures. And that tends to apply to both sides.

[tawdry vessel]

Media outlets are probably scared that they might get sued because there's no proper evidence to back those claims up. Hopefully the truth comes out in the end.

[half knot]

Even if there was proper evidence, Korea's defamation and slander laws allow them to get sued. As truth is not a major factor for those laws.

[short laurel]

if a company just willy nilly kick someone in executive position without any good reason. company will loss trusts of shareholders and marketers. even if company has 100% shares.

especially someone whose name in industry is big

[half knot]

In an unrelated industry, that's what happened with OpenAI CEO getting kicked out, and then reinstated lol

[short laurel]

lol yea i forgot about that drama

[valid sierra]

https://twitter.com/theseoulite/status/1785564153060667480
bro whos this guy. why is he yapping like he knows a single thing??? bro hybe is very liquid, they wont ever run out of cash

Sean Lim (@theseoulite) on X

Ultimate Plot: Draining HYBE's Bank Account Before BTS Comeback

Twitter · May 1, 2024, 6:57 AM

[acoustic valve]

he's an asian american with a stupid take... dime a dozen

100% grifting kpop fans with vids that'll give him clicks, all it is

[half knot]

Seoulite TV... yeah.

[tawdry vessel]

an unfair dismissal case takes years to settle or is it quick

[valid sierra]

really milking out i armys at the moment

[half knot]

just a grifter. or a paid shill.

[half knot]

yeah that kind of thing can drag out for years if both sides are stubborn.

[short laurel]

every person in replies need to be reeducated. like 20% of shares for a small label gonna bankrupt a multi billion dollar company.

[half knot]

people like that will say anything for internet brownie points

[short laurel]

it's the brain of repleis i m judging. i forgot people are dumb

[half knot]

don't even need real cult allegations, they're already brainwashed

or just young and with too much time on their hands.

[dry atlas]

if someone asks for a summary what's a nice link to send

[valid sierra]

just saw the comments requesting to upload it on tiktok. bro that app needs age restriction at this point

[short laurel]

definately not the link above.

[cyan rivet]

Banjiyeaon

[half knot]

hey that's scary

[cyan rivet]

Fr

Me too..

[valid sierra]

https://twitter.com/NewJeansSTRM/status/1785942324629197161
ktokkis arranging for truck protests

뉴진스 음원총공팀 (@NewJeansSTRM) on X

📢 트럭총공 진행 예정 안내

현재 팀버니즈는 트럭총공을 진행하기로 결정하였으며, 문구 모집 및 모금을 진행할 계획입니다.
저희의 스탠스는 최대한 뉴진스와 대표님께 피해가 가지 않도록 하는 것 입니다.
자세한 안내는 오늘 중으로 드리겠습니다. 많은 관심 부탁드립니다.

Twitter · May 2, 2024, 8:00 AM

[dry atlas]

off topic

the banjiyeon thing

[half knot]

fair, though the comments are on-topic, knetz seem to be coordinating on that channel's vids lol

but yes, it's just craziness

[dry atlas]

oh they picked a side

[cyan rivet]

Why

[tawdry vessel]

if this happens, is she still going to be involved with newjeans or is she out of the picture, and can only be reinstated until she has won the unfair dismissal case

[half knot]

that will entirely depend on how it plays out, we have less than 1% of the information necessary to even speculate or guess how that could go unfortunately.

[short laurel]

whats Ban JiYeon ?

[valid sierra]

a lot of tokkis are in favor

[cyan rivet]

It is a creepy channel that is believed to be the ador official

[short laurel]

ohk

[cyan rivet]

Search on yt

[short laurel]

it's fine i saw. back to topic and thx

[acoustic valve]

was there ever any other side they were going to pick?

bunnies that say "oh the girls havent spoken out themselves about who they side with" are up on sm pro-hybe copium its crazy

[short laurel]

@tawdry vessel here. the protest u were asking for is happening soon.

[tawdry vessel]

that was quick lmao

[short laurel]

they protests with trucks

[dry atlas]

nj only like early last week

[acoustic valve]

u talking about fans picking a side, or the girls themselves?

[dry atlas]

fans

[valid sierra]

that first protest truck is still a mystery, damn.

[tawdry vessel]

it was hybe

[acoustic valve]

well, it would be crazy for fans to pick hybe when the girls are evidently hoping ador wins...

[arctic sky]

https://fxtwitter.com/pannchoa/status/1785913966809461083

this is so funny lol

[valid sierra]

why is pannchoa cooking hybe so hard after the revival

[half knot]

they're just playing catchup with translated they missed on for 10 days

[acoustic valve]

trying to lap up as much of the clicks as possible after they went awol on perhaps the most profitable 8 days of coverage ever

[half knot]

but also because these forums are overwhelmingly discussing this topic

we're actually behind quite a bit on what they're talking about, it's wild lol

totally off the rails now.

[acoustic valve]

tbf all these recent articles are just whats been trending on theqoo today

the most kpop drama ones neway

[short laurel]

like even cube 100M more than Hybe.

[dry atlas]

catch us up

what's going on now

[acoustic valve]

@dry atlas oh since u were wonder about k-armys before https://vxtwitter.com/pannchoa/status/1785935740636979546

[dry atlas]

yeah i saw that lol

[acoustic valve]

they got bars

[quick wadi]

oh to have someone care for me like that.

[short laurel]

hybe getting more care from haters than tim from someone? that's sad

[hoary frost]

I feel bad for bts. all their years of hard work, all their blood sweat and tears (no pun intended) is getting questioned and have image smeared bc hybe decided to insert them in this.

the amount of damage this whole issue brought to artists is insane. park jiwon should resign

[short laurel]

just realised fromis member has same name

park jiwon who can u ignore a group of your name twin. 😭

[dry atlas]

lol imagine a twist in the shareholders meeting

[hoary frost]

shareholders should wake up and push for negotiations

prolonging this fight means there will be more damages and public will continue to dig and nitpick everything

[short laurel]

i just realized. hybe was most profitable kpop company last year right. from most profitable to not even compare to a bakery.

[acoustic valve]

thing is you need virtually every independent shareholder to vote against the current hybe board... which realistically will never happen

[valid sierra]

its because of hanni and minji spending all those 5billion won on bread

[acoustic valve]

unless there's a concerted effort to undermine the hybe board working from inside, like what happened to SM

which once again... not gonna happen anytime soon because even if it did, it takes a long time to eventuate

[short laurel]

didn't korea pension asked for his resign few days ago ?

[acoustic valve]

pretty sure no

[short laurel]

i remember a news about someone high up saying he should step down

[acoustic valve]

mhj 🧢

[short laurel]

ohk

[acoustic valve]

nah im kiddin idk, but she probably does want him too

[steep torrent]

accurate?
https://x.com/Krooppik/status/1785705140290568239

kuri (@Krooppik) on X

Where I'm from, NJ isnt the most ulted kpop, but expect people to have them on their playlists. In hindsight, that's what jeans are. It's very rare for a person to have jeans as their fave clothing but they'll have it in their closets anytime, anywhere. It's a comfort thing.

Twitter · May 1, 2024, 4:17 PM

once saw a hater on twt have nj on their spotify wrapped

[old cypress]

yeah newjeans is like a staple, something that wants to be integrated into the fabric of korea culture. They picked a lot of brands that do consumer staples like coca cola, levi's and apple; and their mvs give off a timeless feel

in a sense it's (ironically) the most mainstream kpop group

[short laurel]

remember. half the haters are only there to hate. they don't even have any idea whats going on.

[dry atlas]

https://twitter.com/scenicMINJI/status/1785990901329956970?t=yH7me5KivXFMom-Ofu4tmg&s=19

nala. (@scenicMINJI) on X

okay

Twitter · May 2, 2024, 11:13 AM

lol

https://twitter.com/NewJeans_NW/status/1785995800746889471?t=PYCgC1NXEh4NrITKwMh84g&s=19

네트워크 (@NewJeans_NW) on X

📢 Recruitment of NewJeans Truck Propaganda Stationery

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Twitter · May 2, 2024, 11:32 AM

[tawdry vessel]

@short laurel 😭

[short laurel]

there's your protest. enjoy it.

hybe really pissed of like all of korea

all kpop labels must be mad at hybe since stock of entire industry suffered cuz of hybe's drama

[hoary frost]

https://x.com/nilawardanii/status/1785624922531987823

Staff Magang (@nilawardanii) on X

Mhj pegang album hoot jadi inget itu album SNSD pertama yang ku beli dah jelek pula ni album wkkwkwk

Twitter · May 1, 2024, 10:58 AM

she really just an artist with dreams..

tbh she started from the bottom. she was regular desk employee in sm and said the first time she was allowed in meeting room was bc she suggested some idea regarding concept. she only became creative director in 2010 or something. i remember koreans empathized with her a lot due to 15 years of hard work in sm, going from nobody to executive director bc it is not easy feat. it is amazing that someone can have so much passion for their work

it is impossible to not be confident in your skills when u have more than two decades of experience.

there are a lot of great creative directors imo, but not many are visionary. u can create good concepts, there are a lot of good concepts in kpop, but i think her skills go far beyond that and just encompasses a lot of aspects. thats why it will be huge loss for ador

[dry atlas]

*x -c https://twitter.com/p1nkjeaniess/status/1785946658561470650?t=WbMv4e_HuHOKBBi5V_skiQ&s=1

[harsh dove]

@p1nkjeaniess <t:1714637839:d>

5th gen's it girl

[steep torrent]

the community note on this 💀
https://x.com/minjinators/status/1785823460897259726

[neon kelp]

https://twitter.com/minjinators/status/1785823460897259726

Minji Edits ▶ (@minjinators) on X

Ador is asking a very important question, why is Hybe so determined to make everything public when this entire situation could have been handled privately (maturely).

Twitter · May 2, 2024, 12:07 AM

[steep torrent]

hybe stans

[neon kelp]

I can't believe

they still hating on mhj after all this

really big hybe stans

*x https://twitter.com/mamahatsana/status/1785868333730152683

[harsh dove]

@mamahatsana <t:1714619165:d>

[opaque torrent]

Most people arrive at a conclusion after finding evidence and then announce it. HYBE announces their conclusion and work backwards from it

[neon kelp]

yea

[short laurel]

this post is weird. how come the poster of this come to that conclusion.

[opaque torrent]

I haven’t seen any legal experts on the Korean side say HYBE was required by law to broadcast and leak info of the audit in real time. The only account that said this was the Army account pretending to be objective

[hoary frost]

they are living in alt reality

[short laurel]

even in alt reality the conclusion they come to is stupid. comprehension skills is 0 in that post

[hoary frost]

real

[opaque torrent]

Press release: Ador wants HYBE to stop meddling in its business and unequivocal wording in its contracts.

Press conference: I don’t care whos in charge of the company I just want them to leave us alone and not to be subservient to HYBE for the long run.

Kpop twitter: her lies are catching up to her!

[neon kelp]

they just trying to hate on mhj
so that's why there is no conclusion

[short laurel]

i hate myself for bothering to read the replies. they all discussing like we are discussing but opposite side ofc. it's weird how they appear to be discussing seriously with proper details but all of it is just nonsense...

it's not hating to hate or BTS. or hive mind. it's like they speak completely different language.

[hoary frost]

they built hybe duh. theyre shareholders

[neon kelp]

https://www.allkpop.com/article/2024/05/ador-issues-a-full-length-official-statement-refuting-each-of-hybes-accusations

I think I saw this article before somewhere

[hoary frost]

soompi also translated it. we posted kr link here before too

[opaque torrent]

It’s been posted here at least three times

[neon kelp]

this makes me mad tho
hybe trying to interfere where ador and newjeans is busy in releasing their new songs

[hoary frost]

its clear that ador had to fight and protect every resource and opportunity nj earned for themselves

[neon kelp]

yea fr

[hardy briar]

this is an insane lose lose situation for the girls bro

[neon kelp]

nah they will win

https://tenor.com/view/nah-i'd-win-gif-7220010602787901432

[hardy briar]

no like if they go with mhj they will loose all claim to new jeans, all their songs, the sponsors, the name itself and fandom name like all of it is claimed by hybe right?? so basically they would have to start over and depending on if they leave with or without the judge wouldn’t they have the pay like a fine to hybe for breaking the contract☹️

but then if they stayed with hybe they most likely won’t have mhj which they are allegedly on her side (i haven’t been keeping up with this so if it’s been proven they are siding with her pretty please tell me)

[hoary frost]

[neon kelp]

but alteast they will be free from hybe's control

and mhj's lawyers are working on the fine thing

I guess

[hardy briar]

idk isn’t the only thing that’s like proven for mistreatment them debuting nwjns later than planned and not uhhh promoting them??

as i said im not keeping up so im js asking

[neon kelp]

yea they didn't promote newjeans at all
since they were playing the game of favourite

[hardy briar]

ehh nwjns debut outdid lsfrms anyways

[neon kelp]

yea lol

[hardy briar]

wait that lwk sounds toxic lsfrms debut was great but nwjns got more sales with the debut album and other shit

[neon kelp]

well I was aware that hybe new girl group was gonna debut and it wasn't le sserafim

[short laurel]

nope. remember many companies deals are with girls. if they leave with mhj then hybe will be left with empty shell and fines for breaking contracts with the brands. those brands will still come to members. members individually are popular not just the name. atleast in east.

empty shell means nothing and will only harm hybe's stocks more

[hardy briar]

aye at least they’ll keep the brand deals still sad if they leave they’ll prob loose all claim to their songs tho

[neon kelp]

good point actually

[short laurel]

yea that's an issue

unless their contract states that they have share of copywrite in nj songs. we don't know their contract details.

[neon kelp]

I don't think that would have matter cause we know newjeans owns those songs
it's not like hybe was the one who wrote the song

[short laurel]

but i m hopping them to be different form usual kpop contracts

[hardy briar]

and also unless there’s more mistreatment within hybe i don’t think the uhh they didn’t promote their debut is enough to please the judge we shall see tho!!

[hardy briar]

i mean depending on the what the contract says they rlly won’t have claim to those songs meaning they prob won’t be able to preform them etc…

[neon kelp]

but writing the lyrics themselves means u own some part of it

[hardy briar]

meaning they would most likely have to start over that’s pretty sad 2 years of being an idol into the drain bc some grown ass ppl are up each others ass arguing

[neon kelp]

but yea we'II see what was in the contracts

[short laurel]

idk how contracts works but members name is in credit list of the songs. @opaque torrent will they have rights to their songs if they aare credit in song if they leave hybe ?

[hardy briar]

i rlly doubt they’d be able to preform it but if they can then i’m happy for them bc it’s mostly owned by hybe probably ehh as namiko said we don’t know their contract details so we will js have to wait and see

i mean if they left with mhj i think a good chunk of their western fanbase will prob leave ngl we all know how international fans feel abt mhj sighhhhhh

[neon kelp]

well if they wanted to leave they would have even when they are in hybe

but they didn't

[hardy briar]

ehh yk how hypocritical kpop stans are🤷‍♀️

[hoary frost]

nj fanbase will be fine. it cant get any worse than armys hating on them. whether they stay or leave, hybe fandoms gonna taunt them

[neon kelp]

we can do this to hybe fandoms too

since they are so in love with hybe

[old cypress]

the biggest losers are illit and lesserafim i think

[neon kelp]

bro what

why hate on other groups

[short laurel]

biggest loser is hybe. they willing harmed their 2nd highest money maker.

[old cypress]

public opinion of illit and lsfm are turning negative

illit for being a copycat, and lsfm because of hybe pushing them over newjeans and also their vocal skills

[regal frigate]

True tho

[old cypress]

anyway it might blow over so we'll see

hope the girls don't get hurt too much from that

[neon kelp]

why would u trust the public lol
they making u the dumb person here (no offense)

[regal frigate]

I hope so

[old cypress]

i'm just saying what i see

[neon kelp]

there is lot of things here that has been seen

[old cypress]

as for newjeans they have more fans than ever

[neon kelp]

but we can't trust everything

[hoary frost]

true, but they're doing well at the same time so i don't think it is affecting them in long run. i feel like some issues are going to die down on its own. its def uncomfortable situation for them to be in when its not even their fault. same for bts as their chart performance and mma win is being questioned and investigated by ministry of culture.

I feel like nj would be in worse situation if mhj press con didnt happen bc public believed 2nd 5050 narrative really fast. i feel bad for everyone involved when the only names should be mentioned are executives

[short laurel]

if ministry of culture investigate mushows and award shows wins. they'll find every big kpop company is criminal xD

[hoary frost]

real

[old cypress]

the true effects can only be seen in the next comeback

[short laurel]

either next year or end of this year. and exhaused nj too

[hoary frost]

if anything gp will tune in to check their brand new concepts. negative press is also press (sad reality)

illit bside is still rising in the middle of everything so yeah

apart from antis, everyone knows this is not something artists should take blame for

[short laurel]

i really hope someone find a really big dirt on hybe with proper evidence.

[neon kelp]

soon fbi will show up on hybe's door steps

https://tenor.com/view/f-bi-raid-swat-gif-11500735

[outer canopy]

The hybe cult allegations are getting worse day by day

[opaque torrent]

Thanks Ms. Shaman!

[outer canopy]

np

[neon kelp]

what's new?

[outer canopy]

Something about that one cult's statue being set up at the end of the BTS road in Korea. Take it with a grain of salt lol (although there's photos). I'm not sure about these cult allegations but this sure helps in making the gp hate Hybe even more, especially considering how deep-rooted cults are in Korea's culture.

[cyan delta]

But didn't the cult people say they are not associated with hybe in any way and will take action against ppl linking them?😭

[neon kelp]

cult peoples themselves are not safe
as everyone knows creating smth like cult is illegal

[neon kelp]

i see

[old cypress]

cults are everywhere in korea, def not illegal

[outer canopy]

They even have a huge influence in politics

[neon kelp]

here it's illegal

[old cypress]

jyp is part of a cult and he's been holding seminars teaching the bible

[neon kelp]

damn

[outer canopy]

It wouldn't really surprise me if Bang PD really was involved in one. Matter of fact, it wouldn't surprise me for any CEO that has been in the industry for over a decade now

[copper jetty]

Good morning NJcord!!

[outer canopy]

rightttt and people treated it as a laughing matter (so did I) but it's actually kind of weird

[old cypress]

he even went to the Philippines and held a seminar in front of kpop fans

[outer canopy]

It's so over for Hybe 😭

[copper jetty]

What happened to hybe??

[outer canopy]

the public opinion of them is plummeting 🤷🏽‍♀️ that's it

[copper jetty]

Ohhh.. yeah. I saw the fan pics of people

[old cypress]

idk, a lot of accusations are far fetched

[outer canopy]

I agree with a lot of the accusations being far-fetched but I think there's still proper grounds for accusing Bang PD of being linked to it

[old cypress]

haven't seen anything really plausible

[mild mist]

I don't think it really matters in the end, I don't think the courts will be swayed by public opinion

[copper jetty]

Maybe some of the execs are in the cult but Idk... it's reaching tbh

[outer canopy]

I'll try summarizing some of the things I've seen hold on

[old cypress]

I've seen it, i just don't think it's plausible

[copper jetty]

I just want this to be over tbh

[old cypress]

nor that i care, it has nothing to do with newjeans and mhj anyway

[outer canopy]

🤷🏽‍♀️

[copper jetty]

It's also bad for MHJ to have this go for longer. Jin is about to go out of the military and Hybe stocks might come up.

[old cypress]

it's already priced in

[hoary frost]

stocks are not issue but finances

[short laurel]

there are multiple cult. only 1 cult said they are not with hybe.

[hoary frost]

its gonna drain her both financially and mentally

[copper jetty]

True... I honestly don't know how she goes through this everyday. I feel tired for her.

But good thing for Ador that they hired a comm. Agency for their press releases

[hoary frost]

is she allowed to go inside ador?

[copper jetty]

At this point idk

[hoary frost]

like hybe building jfjdjdjdjdj

[copper jetty]

Probably not

Imagine her typing emails at home.

[outer canopy]

Running into other groups or Hybe executives must be so stressing lolll

[old cypress]

ADOR is in a separate location

(i think)

[hoary frost]

yes each label has its floor

[copper jetty]

Yeah but imagine the silence in the elevator.

[hoary frost]

ador has like 16th or something. below ador is bighit and then belift i think

[old cypress]

oh man

[hoary frost]

mhj and illit creative dir taking elevator together

[short laurel]

mhj and bang

[old cypress]

I just noticed caroline polachek is following newjeans. That's slay

[copper jetty]

Oh yeah. BH is below ador on the floors.

Who's Caroline polachek?

[hoary frost]

hybe has their own identification system. what if they cancelled her card

[old cypress]

amazing singer

[hoary frost]

I love her songs

[copper jetty]

I also remember they need to scan your face to get in

[mild mist]

Canadian I think

[old cypress]

there's no way hybe would stop mhj from going to work

[short laurel]

scan the face? what if someone is not wearing any makeup for 1 day? D:

[copper jetty]

I'll check her song later.

[hoary frost]

ador BOD meeting will be held in mhj house

[copper jetty]

Currently listening to cool with rn.

[twin cypress]

What if newjeans is just practicing at another place right now

[copper jetty]

At this point do we even know if the girls are in contact with MHJ?

Cause hybe can just deny her access the same way they did before debut.

[short laurel]

staff at ador probably keep contact with her online since nj cb is coming

[hoary frost]

its not like they can confiscate their phones

mhj sending letters via owls to contact nj

[copper jetty]

Caroline Polachek is fire. I'm watching her Tiny desk rn and it's 🔥 ❤️

[old cypress]

yeah she's great

[short laurel]

if they did and tried to do anything with them. hybe would be in more trouble.

and i wanna c hybe in more trouble

[copper jetty]

True. Does anybody know also if Hybe tried to contact them parents when this started? Like before MHJ press conference?

Cause if they didn't, and this went down, then that's really bad. And if so fuck hybe

[hoary frost]

not before acc to mhj

but after mhj called them out

i hope they dont talk. what if they threaten them like VP

hope they have law firm representing them and nj rights

[twin cypress]

There is no way mhj hasn’t been around the girls since this began

[copper jetty]

Yeah I read the press release and big words too from ador.

The thing is, they can't use this in court though cause it went public right? Or can they?

[copper jetty]

I just hope there's bodyguards with them and MHJ if that's how hybe operates.

Just a thought, if NJ went with MHJ, and becomes a new group, does that mean they can debut again? And if so, can they win rookie of the year again lol.

[hoary frost]

i dont think so. beast rebranded to highlight due to cube not giving them name tm but they were not eligible

i think this option would throw all ador hard work in water. its probably their last measure and might not even work

newjeans tm is with ador. its hard to say how this works

[short laurel]

if they gonna terminate nj contract and breach the trusts . they might as well go extra mile and transfer all the the trademark and music rights to girls.

[old cypress]

is it even doable without hybe stepping in and replacing the board

[short laurel]

if they do it be4 hybe replace the board then yea

[old cypress]

~3 weeks then

[short laurel]

but say bye to japanese release or maybe looooooong delay ?

[copper jetty]

Can be. If that happens then the last event would probably be the bunnies camp

[short laurel]

bunnies camp is in june. we have 3 weeks so no bunnies camp in that scenario

[copper jetty]

I doubt hybe would cancel it though. Tokyo Dome already booked.

[short laurel]

no need to be sad. if girls are out without any dept then that's much better.

[short laurel]

yea it's booked under ador's name right. and hybe will have the now empty ador. well hybe's problem. but that's just a hypothetical scenario

[hoary frost]

they will proceed as planned

ador has everything planned and hybe cant interfere and jeopardize their schedule

as for schedule after tokyo dome, i think its uncertain

[short laurel]

we are talking hypothetical scenario about if girls gets out of contract through contract termination.

[hoary frost]

i think they will promote in japan throughout july

[short laurel]

not the reality

[hoary frost]

and then rest in august

[cyan delta]

Chillax they're not getting their contracts termed they'll be fine

[short laurel]

again just hypothetical scenario not anything serious...

[hoary frost]

anything can happen

but ignoring management dispute, i think this two cb plans will go as it is. mhj said nj had plans until the end of year which probably included new album, depending on what situation ador is in, it might be scrapped or reworked

[twin cypress]

Even if they don’t own their songs right now if they leave can’t they pull a Taylor swift and re-record them

[hoary frost]

thats what i think too. i guess it depends on Korean laws (?)

[short laurel]

well they did work in making of song. so i asked this earlier will they have any rights over song since they worked on them

[hoary frost]

naturally

[short laurel]

so they not gonna lose their songs. just some of it

[hoary frost]

royalties are paid by komca iirc

[twin cypress]

I mean the writers and producers were ador’s people

[hoary frost]

or distributed (?) idk

[short laurel]

girls took part in writting and composing music

it's in credits. they can't take that away

[twin cypress]

I think they can just pull a Taylor tbh

[hoary frost]

no one is taking them away. taylor still earns from old songs

[short laurel]

yea so they still will own the songs just shared with ador under hybe. even if they are out?

[hoary frost]

based on Spotify credits it belongs to ador, but naturally also falls under hybe like every label. in your scenario, nj can earn money but as long as it belongs to ador/hybe, they can not perform it i think

[short laurel]

ohk. thx for answering. :noted:

[velvet wyvern]

What is the probability that MHJ stays ??

[short laurel]

honestly. hard to predict. we know less than 1% about what actually happened. they have not released much other than media play and bits of contract(which could be out of context too). so nothing can be predicted at this point.

[velvet wyvern]

I hope she stays

[short laurel]

what if. and it's a big IF. if hybe is in the right and mhj did wrong. we all would look like fools. 😨

[velvet wyvern]

I don’t think so bc the girls really like MHJ

[copper jetty]

Tbh, the fact that Hybe does have evidence is high. I mean, they're willing to go to court for it. In my mind, if they're that confident, they must have damning evidence.

[short laurel]

yea and case isn't about if girls like mhj or not.

[copper jetty]

It's breach of trust right??

[short laurel]

yea

[copper jetty]

But with Hybe's credibility down the drain it makes me pause and question it also. It could still go either way

[velvet wyvern]

I just don’t want NewJeans essence to change …

Do you guys think it will if they change CEO

?

[copper jetty]

I don't want to either but if they're going to be worked hard by hybe then I'd rather let them go.

I don't want them abused and lose whatever makes them, them

[velvet wyvern]

What do Knetizens think? Are they mostly in MHJ or HYBE’s side?

I also wonder if HYBE is willing to let NJ go to MHJ

[copper jetty]

Uhmmm no. I don't think hybe wants that

NJ is their most profitable GG

[short laurel]

entire korea wants mhj. while ifans are puppets of hybe

[copper jetty]

Well, korean tokkis at least I think they're rallying behind MHJ and NJ.. I don't know about ifans though.

[velvet wyvern]

It’s bc of the other groups agh

International fans are annoying

[copper jetty]

Dude... I'm an ifan

[short laurel]

international kpop fandoms still look at this case as fandom war. it's waaaaaaaaaay beyond fandom war but hybe as always wants their bts shield up

like in everything hybe does

[velvet wyvern]

Well at least you’re logical

[copper jetty]

It's way way beyond fandom war, this is about a conglomerate and it's sub label and how sub labels work

[short laurel]

i really think in future BTS will not be known for great music but will be known for having the most annoying and idiotic fandom

dude even in army few with brain hates their own fandom.

[mild mist]

aren't they already

[short laurel]

it's really sad for bts members.

[copper jetty]

Yeah but we don't say that out loud.

Also I have friends that are army.

But I don't even know where their info comes from. It's all downhill whenever we discuss this

[short laurel]

me too. @proud flax is his name.

but my friend is smart army. he isn't a fool like others

[copper jetty]

Welp. You're lucky. We don't discuss this MHJ vs Hybe cause it turns into

The shaman Issue and MHJ said this to BTS

[short laurel]

i wonder what mhj said to bts.

and i wonder why V wanted to work with MHJ that they released layover.

[twin cypress]

Sheesh this hybe situation has backfired on them and illit cause now people found evidence of lucky girl syndrome sounding way too similar to favorite liar by the wrecks (2016)

[short laurel]

lucky girl syndrome? illit released another song ?

[copper jetty]

I think that's one of their songs on their album

[twin cypress]

It came out in their debut album

[copper jetty]

Honestly, I tried listening to it. Didn't really like it.

[twin cypress]

https://youtu.be/18Q1YV47QUM

[short laurel]

i thought they debuted with only magnetic. i should be keeping up

[twin cypress]

Hybe could’ve stayed quiet and non of this backlash would’ve happened

[copper jetty]

I listened to the whole album I only liked the magnetic song.

[short laurel]

ok i start playing and i already knew it sounded similar to someother song. thx for adding that song too.

[twin cypress]

The video I sent compares both in the same video. The beat and flow literally is identical

[short laurel]

little too similar to be called inspiration. i should check out full song later just in case.

[copper jetty]

Are we even surprised though???

[short laurel]

yea. very identical

only 2:20 min song. dude. soon they'll make 1 min songs

[copper jetty]

Belift I think has a plagiarism controversy even before. I think for choreographies

One was for enhyphen and one for illit themselves.

I kinda saw that on tiktok before.

Wait it's not plagiarism, they used the artists' song without consent.

[short laurel]

isn't that what plagiarism is ?

[mild mist]

I think by definition it is

But that video would be an example of interpolation, and I'm not sure if that's ever been punished in a court

[short laurel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kHjDNHEU5o lets listen and judge if it is plagiarize work or not.

just the beginning part rest is different

[twin cypress]

Yea the songs aren’t gonna be 1 to 1 replicas but that starting part is sus

[copper jetty]

Also there was a choreography that was done by illit on their show I guess? They never credited the choreographer not until she called them out too.

So belift has a history of doing it.

Idk who their creative director is but her vision is going nowhere. I don't even know if she has a vision. 😭

[short laurel]

oo yea i remember. the choreographer was instead hated by fandom.

[copper jetty]

It was by Kelley Sweeney lol

[short laurel]

idk i just remember replies in tiktok were hate comments.

[copper jetty]

Which is sad. Can you imagine being hated because someone used your choreo, your ideas as their own? 🤨😨

And didn't even credit you for it. 💀💀

[short laurel]

like the lady who said bts's concept bang stole. or illit being copy of mhj's work

anyways we got too offtopic

[copper jetty]

True true.

I always come here for the news but I work night shifts (which is morning in korea) so basically I get the news late already when I get home

I don't know what Hybe is thinking releasing the media source again a while ago. It doesn't really help them. 😕

And at this point I don't think the public is believing anything that they say. RIP to them.

[short laurel]

no rest in peace to hybe. rip to innocent people who are suffer from hate like hybe's staff n artists. and ||bad word|| for hybe's higher ups.

[copper jetty]

Oh I saw the pics. Whoever did that in front of Hybe building 😏

[marble cape]

do u know if they credited him it kinda does sound the same lol

[short laurel]

only the 1st progression

idk how much part of the music is needed to come under plagiarism

[nimble stream]

8 bars?

[tiny peak]

it's a stretch to me, i'm convinced you can take any kpop song and find a similar song

[nimble stream]

agreed

[short laurel]

laws varies country to country so idk. and 1st part is exactly the same.

[marble cape]

honestly true

someone here posted a song that sounded similar to bubble gum too

[waxen musk]

How's the copium supply holding up?

[short laurel]

similar is fine. thing here is the 1st progression of song is not just similar but same. but as i said it's small part so no idea if it comes under copying or not. anyways this is offtopic

can discus about it in #off-topic people there probably know better

[old cypress]

Tis but a stretch

[opaque torrent]

https://x.com/mymomoty/status/1786098816778920042?s=46

bbor🍀| Bubble Gum 🫧 (@mymomoty) on X

Twitter · May 2, 2024, 6:21 PM

[tiny peak]

two knives, one for each

[acoustic valve]

I'm not just trying to cope, but assuming they were deadset on removing MHJ (for personal reasons or otherwise). Reporting her for criminal activity would be the correct move to take regardless if they think they have sufficient evidence or not. It will be up to the police and prosecutors to decide whether to charge mhj for it and take her to court though, and so far that hasn't happened yet

even without sufficient evidence, it's a strong intimidation and media play move to make... so I wouldn't assume one way or the other just yet...

[velvet wyvern]

Participate please

[opaque torrent]

Yep frivolous lawsuits is how the rich and powerful bully their victims. It’s psychological warfare.

[hoary frost]

i was watching nj mvs and its annoying how every comment section talks about cult and corporate fight 💀

[hardy briar]

i feel so bad for both of them bro

[valid sierra]

https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSFK1k8SL/

[harsh dove]

@jinwoopark0721

[short laurel]

I disagree with him on why ifan reach n korean reach is different. Ifan with brains do understand the point. It's only the hybe puppets ifan who are different and spread lies n braindead. N those people doesn't represent international community. Reddit n Twitter isn't right platform to judge ifans

In view of what's going on many around the world have experienced same bs from higherups n they understand n are with mhj n korea on this

[serene cloud]

international fans are only thinking about their faves, a random korean person is looking at it through the framework of their society like he said

[short laurel]

It's just loude minority with hype media player.

[serene cloud]

yeah I meant those people not all i-fans

[short laurel]

Unfortunately even korean American are saying all ifans are bad. I expected them to understand that Twitter ppl are stupid n not represent the international fandom

[acoustic valve]

he's not wrong, but i definitely don't think you have to be korean to understand the things MHJ was talking about...toxic corporate culture is similar enough even between countries, but yeah it's more prnounced in SK it seems. I think the main difference is that most of the international response (or at least the loudest voices) neither understand Korean society and are Kpop fans first and foremost, so are naturally emotionally invested in whichever side favors their idols

and Ifans have a thing against mhj, i got my own theories on that but that's another story

[short laurel]

All allegation ive seen against mhj were debunked. Its crazy hiw much misinformation there is on her

It's scary how powerful army has become. I wonder if hybe one day declare themselves government or god or something. These people would really follow it

[acoustic valve]

Ex-SM employee confirming what people here probably alrdy knew about mhj; she is indeed difficult to work with, but that's primarily due to her being blunt and hard-working in her pursuit for quality https://www.koreaboo.com/stories/former-sm-entertainment-employee-david-c-defending-min-hee-jin-insight-true-personality/

The kind of worker everybody wants... except bosses that can't handle critique and expect everyone to be a yes man

[short laurel]

That's why companies fails

If hybe doesn't get it's act together then once bts retired they are done.

[opaque torrent]

lol the article is funny. Anonymous HYBE employees vs a person you can verify exists…. Basically the essence of this whole feud.

MHJ’s mouth & lawyers vs. a faceless entity and unconfirmed/unverifiable leaks and speculations

[old cypress]

she's a no-bullshit type of person and from experience I know that a lot of people cannot handle that kind of person

[dry atlas]

one of their mv directors posted these stories

original korean if you wanna translate yourselves

Re translated with deepL

[upper solstice]

at the speed of baked beans on a lightning rod

[marble cape]

so did knetz switch sides i just saw a tweet with lots likes saying something about knets are finally seeing the truth and its 2 ss of comments from knetz lol

[acoustic valve]

it's why I laugh when I sometimes read comments saying "she's done in the industry, no one will hire her for doing this to their boss"... and I'm like no, she'll do fine, maybe even better than ever. People will be falling over themselves to get into business with her as investors whenever her non-compete ends. The whole point is that investors have too much money and no talent, their whole purpose is to look for talented people with that spark... mhj is that undeniably

[acoustic valve]

nah, they just taking random comments or posts and trying to gaslight people. The same way I could go on reddit and SS a few pro-mhj comments with upvotes and pretend "reddit has finally changed their minds"

[marble cape]

thats how i see it too shes def talented

[marble cape]

also is the mv director debunking the claims or was this his experience working with her

[dry atlas]

more like the latter

[acoustic valve]

nah, just telling his personal story about working with her, like a description of her character and work ethic

[marble cape]

sorry im illiterate

oh ic

[tiny peak]

that's so sad and pathetic 😭

the second story is touching, I can see why creatives love working with her

[acoustic valve]

yeah, more than just being an artist herself, I think her actual greater strength is in fostering and promoting that artistry within the creatives she works with. Like NJ's music is undoubtedly 250 and FRNK's work, but could any other kpop executive have brought it out of them and got it produced? I don't think so

[dry atlas]

hitman bang will

scary why do i have these

[acoustic valve]

he'll listen to ditto and say "this is a bit too soft, add a rap breakdown and a some more bass"

and when PD's say "no, it's better like this" he'll just fire them and find someone that will make the song exactly the way he wants

[marble cape]

hes wants the piece of the pie but mhj wants to take the knife home lol

[dry atlas]

and that's how we get 10 credits in one song

[acoustic valve]

one thing I saw mentioned from Get Up's songwriters and mhj herself is that NJ songs, even ones like ASAP were barely changed at all from the original vision from the writers. She values the original vision of its creators; if she doesn't think a song fits, she'd rather keep looking to find one that does rather than change or mash up songs together into her own vision.
tldr; she respects the artists she works with and doesn't like messing with their work. It almost sounds like every creative's dream boss

[hoary frost]

I caught up to everything, and honestly the only conclusion i had for me personally, is i really dislike how HYBE functions.

[old cypress]

deepL seems to like the word gaslighting

more and more people vouching for mhj everyday

meanwhile sihyuk had someone calling him out for stealing ideas

[timber shell]

wth is mhj syndrome 😭

[acoustic valve]

when koreans use syndrome, it usually means the same as trend

[valid sierra]

what is this community note? those laws only cover financial information. u dont see and shouldnt see internal disputes of public companies being publicized like this

[opaque torrent]

You should QRT and say that

[acoustic valve]

community notes hasn't meant anything beyond "this post got brigaded" since like the first week after it started

It tells you a lot of jobless people disgaree with the post... not much about whether it's actually correct or not

[opaque torrent]

Imagine paying for x to write community notes for stan wars

[timber shell]

ohh ok

[tawdry vessel]

they've turned off the comments of right now mv teaser

[tiny peak]

was it because of anti-HYBE or anti-NJ comments?

[dry atlas]

youtube kids

[tiny peak]

awww

[tawdry vessel]

ive seen only positive nj comments

[dry atlas]

who assigns if vids are for kids

[tawdry vessel]

so probably anti hybe

[dry atlas]

even dani's little mermaid was tagged for kids back then

[tawdry vessel]

kids only watch mr beast and all these asshole prank channels

[dry atlas]

i am not capping when i say comments are off because of yt kids

[tawdry vessel]

ohhh

[serene cloud]

apparently media play articles are transparent and official company statements

[grim shell]

Did NewJeans get high on magic mushrooms in Right Now teaser?

[twin cypress]

Lowkey

[acoustic valve]

JoongAng Ilbo Friday, May 3, 2024
Full-page advertisement
statement
While management-related internal strife within Hive is ongoing and BTS, which has nothing to do
with the current situation, is suffering great damage from false news and rumors, we condemn Hive, as an
agency, for standing by and demanding the following.
Hive's Chairman Bang Si-hyuk and CEO Park Ji-won should
stop the media play that uses BTS as a shield against the
agency's internal and external negative issues.
We strongly demand that Hive's Big Hit Music take
responsibility for the indiscriminate attacks and slander
against BTS and take immediate
legal action and clearly notify the progress.
We support “BTS,” not Hive.
An agency that does not protect its artists has no reason to exist.
Even though artist protection is the most basic obligation of an
agency, BTS' agency is not faithfully carrying out this obligation.
We understand that failure to fulfill an agency's
obligations can usually be a factor in terminating the contract.
Accordingly, we demand that the agency immediately fulfill its obligations.
Above all, each and every fan who loves BTS has come together to
make our intentions known.
We would like to inform you that we will be running a statement advertisement like this.
May 3, 2024
BTS' fan army

ARMY takes out an official ad on JoongAng Ilbo... pressure heating up, it calls for the immediate terminating of their hybe contracts, well I guess making impossible requests is part of negotiation afterall

[arctic sky]

Karma bites

[acoustic valve]

NJ karma always hits, and hard

[tiny peak]

it's disgusting how HYBE blatantly uses army like attack dogs, they need to stop

[opaque torrent]

i-armys lap it up tbf

hybe leaked/suggested that one of ador's execs memos has 'mhj said bang pd copied her to create bts'

hybe later that day: we will invest the allegation that mhj said bang pd copied her to bts

such scumbags

only people who want to be manipulated will fall for such an obvious stunt

[ruby garden]

yeah hybe did that for intl armys because they know a majority of them are hybe bootlickers and will go to war for them

[short laurel]

I looked uo online in iarmy world. Aka Twitter n reddit. While there are some who agreed on hybe mediaplay n bring bts as shield. No one mentioned that hybe do this everytime on their every drama. Soo many times they do this n get away with it. N it pisses me of.

Like every single drama where hybe even remotely comes in has people come defending hybe in name of bts.

Yet i haven't seen anyone noticing or bringing this point

[tawdry vessel]

brainwashed

[acoustic valve]

it's how blatant it is that's most insulting... like how dumb do you think the fans are? And every time?
then again... it actually works for a lot of I-army so I guess it kinda proves their point...

[serene cloud]

thye know they are sheep

[torpid tinsel]

can't really blame them because most of the i-armys are kids; you can only blame their parents for giving birth to them

[nimble stream]

its kpop's fault for brainwashing

[hoary frost]

there's so many Hybe bots in the comment section hoooollyy

[half knot]

while the timeline of her getting director role mostly lines up, she was involved with album design and other visual art designs more or less since the first year she got into SM, there's even a 2002 S.E.S album with just her and then-creative director of SM being credited for the art design.

[short laurel]

exactly this. it's so frustrating and insulting. i said this be4 but if hybe declared themselves as it's own cult or government. iarmy would follow it blindly.

[hoary frost]

https://vt.tiktok.com/ZMMGeNRE9/

[harsh dove]

:warning: TikTok Error: Internal Error: Unable to scrape POST data

[hoary frost]

short archive of newjeans interactions from mhj's insta

[half knot]

back in early december 2023, MHJ posted this on her stories

[hoary frost]

[half knot]

cute minji eyebrows though lol

[hoary frost]

hyein being scared

[half knot]

also I know pannchoa not the best obviously, but I wonder if the person who posted the original thread for this on instiz was testing waters for reactions from netizens at the upcoming news of the dispute a month head. https://www.pannchoa.com/2024/03/instiz-do-you-think-that-ador-and.html this was right around ILLIT debut too, and we know now in retrospect that the conflict was in full swing internally at HYBE at the time.

[short laurel]

can u add vxtiktok to it to make it embed on discord ?

[hoary frost]

there were rumors tbh but everyone thought it was conspiracy theory. either ppl were being imaginative or really knew

[half knot]

there are a lot of employees at hybe at various levels after all

[neon kelp]

I'm back

[short laurel]

welcomeback. glad your account recovered

[neon kelp]

thanks

[hoary frost]

how?

[short laurel]

it's not working so forget it. i'll just live on without know what that tiktok is.

[half knot]

just a fun ... coincidence that knetz dug up from the dahn world founder's livestreams back in 2018, the original video has now gone private as of two days ago. Here's a snippet saved by somebody else. https://youtu.be/hBikBRFSZY4

apparently both international and korean ARMY have been aware of this stuff, the cyber university ties, etc. since at least 2017-2018 but kept it hush hush, which I find fascinating. But anyway.

[acoustic valve]

i have no words other than I wish with all my being that Ador becomes independent...

[half knot]

remember "we will provide psychological counselling for NJ members" yeah real creepy

[steep torrent]

thats crazyyy

[half knot]

HYBE's hangul being the same as the word "Hive" as in insect hive or hivemind doesn't help the whole brain power thing either. lol

and ARMY behaving as basically remote controlled drones on the internet is an interesting psychological study too.

[acoustic valve]

i'm surprised hybe antis havent coined a derogatory term like hybemind to refer to hybe grp fans yet. seems so obvious...

[short laurel]

thx!

[steep torrent]

you guys seen that youtube channel koreans are talking about?

[short laurel]

that explains army's behaviour.

[steep torrent]

pretty freaking creepy

[half knot]

mel told us not to discuss it 😦 at least here, I think #off-topic might be okay? but yeah it's crazy and it was discussed in #newjeans-chat back in the day too lol

[steep torrent]

idk how it relates to the cult

[half knot]

knetz view it as MHJ secret messages about it lol

[dry atlas]

oh really

expound

[short laurel]

that part scares me alot. i seriously hope they can get out of hybe asap.

[half knot]

it's just people reading too much into things. it's the ban hesoo (with a dot) and ban jiyeon channels I mean
https://www.youtube.com/@banheesoo./videos
https://www.youtube.com/@banjiyaeon/videos
They are definitely by somebody from NJ's team though.

[steep torrent]

one of the comments from one of the vids "The date written at the beginning of the video - December 26, 1991 is the date of the collapse of the Soviet Union. At this time, 15 countries, including Russia, became independent."

[half knot]

but like crazy arts people have all kinds of these channels all the time. no offence, I find it cool lol

[brazen ice]

a reach imo lmao

[short laurel]

date stuff reminds me of how some comment in banheesoo though that girls must be aunties now. xD

[half knot]

yeah this stuff is way too much of a reach, but hey as long as it keeps the conversation in the present and people dig up more dirt on hybe, I'm all for it

[tiny peak]

i'm slowly turning into a conspriacy theorist 😭 i'm going crazy, right?

[steep torrent]

created june 17, 2023. how much doees ador team know about the cb at that point? probably a lot?

[half knot]

the label conspiracy theory was coined by intelligence heads in the US to discredit legitimate conspiracies from being exposed

[steep torrent]

when was the teaser

a day after lol

[hoary frost]

i hate them for this https://youtu.be/uaVKJDm_s44?si=GSqi2lYSiHao4uDZ

[half knot]

the remixes have been fire since day one

been seeing this quite a bit "우연이 우연이 우연이 우연이 계속해서 겹치면 그게 우연일까?"

which I think translates to "Coincidence Coincidence Coincidence If coincidences keep happening is it still a coincidence?"

[short laurel]

ASMRZ love how this song has to come on feeds everynight be4 bed

[valid sierra]

*x -c https://twitter.com/pannchoa/status/1786272016661610517
bro everyones just cooking hybe

[harsh dove]

@pannchoa <t:1714715410:d>

SM's employee reveals that there's not a single person from SM who haven't been head hunted by Hybe
https://tinyurl.com/2v3u24f6

[half knot]

I guess it was clear after a few people of note were snatched from SM like hitchhiker

it is funny to hear HYBE stans badmouth SM though, like your dear company's building is full of ex-SM employees 😄

It's kind of HYBE's MO though, either buy the competition or hollow them out.

coughVLIVEcough

if only they could hire some of SM's ex and current vocal coaches.

[short laurel]

wow i m so glad to here someone outside SM only fans view SM's vocal coaches as good. most just hate on them even though soo many of SM artists are so good in singing skills.

[acoustic valve]

What I find most depressing is that they dont truly value their work when they do get these people... as evidenced with this whole drama with Ador. So it's not even necessarily about getting the talent, it's just about trying to damage your competitors. This fits in with everything that's been revealed about how Hybe is run internally... absolutely destroying the kpop industry with all the worst "competitive" practices possible...

[short laurel]

how much dirt would it take to like hybe be sold off to someone else?

like hybe higher ups needs to be completely replaced. i doubt anyone in top position there values anything artistic

[acoustic valve]

far away from that sadly, BSH with his 30% is firmly entrenched

[short laurel]

like can't fcc do something ? pretty sure hybe violated alot of laws regarding competition at this point.

[half knot]

HYBE would have to lose like half its stock value at least before any of the international congloremates would look at it as tempting

it has happened, they had a major crash in 2022, but their new roster of artists and their influence wasn't well established yet

[short laurel]

for that to happen bts needs to go away...

[acoustic valve]

what if big hit ends up going independent instead

[half knot]

when BTS renewed, HYBE didn't exist yet

[lucid yarrow]

what if bts come out speak for mhj

[acoustic valve]

that would truly be the kdrama plot twist we all deserve

[half knot]

I wonder how their opinions have changed since

they did have that very honest livestream where they casually dropped their hiatus announcement, they didn't sound too happy with their musical direction

[short laurel]

yea i heard they were over worked too.

[half knot]

they're rich and famous enough to want a different direction in life as they hit and pass their 30's

I doubt it'll happen, but if it does, I suspect it'll be like how EXO members who left SM did it, or how BP members who left YG did, artist contract with Big Hit for group stuff maintained, but solo contracts pulled out.

[short laurel]

i doubt bang would like that kind of approach.

[dry atlas]

i actually don't like most sm vocals but that's off topic

[short laurel]

it's ok mel everyone has different taste and it's fine even if it's bad taste.

[hoary frost]

i prefer less pitchy vocals (off topic)

it seems knetz are kinda digging in bighit "music hoarding" case

hybe pr team has not slept since press con. i know

[short laurel]

i wonder their PR team even remember how do work without paying off media

[tawdry vessel]

deleting youtube comments

[acoustic valve]

popped up on my tl and thought this was kinda relevant... Koreans just assume most of their news is media play at this point don't they?

understandable tbh

[dry atlas]

lol

[opaque torrent]

While I-ARMYs are HYBE propagandists, k-ARMYs: https://x.com/scenicminji/status/1786221182578241650?s=46

nala. (@scenicMINJI) on X

HYBE building right now🤭 good job
K-Army sunbaenim😂

Twitter · May 3, 2024, 2:28 AM

I’ve always hated bang pd leaning into the angle that I-ARMYs is the reason BTS is so huge. K-ARMYs we’re feeding your boys and helping them win rookie awards while you stuffed them in a small apartment and forced them to do that god awful American hustle life

https://x.com/cato_o_o/status/1786236108843479144?s=46

Cato_o_o (@cato_o_o) on X

Article titled

"Bang Si-hyuk, planning to kill Min Hee-jin by copying NewJeans... A case of technology theft from a venture company"

Byun Hee Jae, founder and CEO of Mediawatch and his view on current MHJ and HYBE feud.

(He is pretty unfiltered. Fair warning)

1/

Twitter · May 3, 2024, 3:27 AM

the way hybe attacked(s) mhj reminds me of how garam's bully attacked her to get her removed from le sserafim

except thankfully, mhj will fight back, while hybe let its young artist get abused and disposed of her when it started affected their sales

[dry atlas]

if bang wasnt involved in illit, do you think this drama would still have happened?

or it'll remain an internal conflict until now

[dry atlas]

i see opposite happen now, hooyounghoo poached by SM from ador

technically she's freelance but whatever

[short laurel]

invalid. no way indians believe their media. i for sure not.

[acoustic valve]

I think if bang wasn't involved with illit, hybe would've actually taken mhj's concerns seriously, instead of as a personal attack against Hybe. Because rationally, she is right, not having Illit emulate NJ in concepts is better for the overall health and growth of Hybe, but because BSH had a personal stake and his pride on the line to see illit succeed, this all happened

[acoustic valve]

or maybe you should take it as a sign of just how much koreans don't trust theirs...

[short laurel]

and china trusts is highest. scary cuz of china calling surrounding lands and waters theirs

whats happening to this world T_T

[acoustic valve]

It tracks with another post I read a few days ago talking about an old bang interview where he said he specifically hired outside of the entertainment industry for his C-suite in hybe, and they all ended up being men that use to work in the tech or tech-adjacent industries...

[hoary frost]

hwgyousun too. both nj graphic designers became freelancers and their first work outside nj is riize lol

[dry atlas]

oh i didnt know

or it's just not on her feed rn

i do remember vaguely..

oh yeah i see their SG

[hoary frost]

and they will deny that nj is the blueprint for new gen

[short laurel]

did nj ever advertise themselves as bts little sister? people going around claiming this

wasn't it jsut media saying all this out of no where

[dry atlas]

media

[hoary frost]

tbh i think hybe sent out those articles

[dry atlas]

actually idk i was wasn't around for debut. but I've seen a lot of articles saying bts little sister

[hoary frost]

mhj was strongly advertising them as "min heejin girl group"

[acoustic valve]

only started saying it after they saw immense success and was considered the "top" hybe GG... take that as u will

i don't think I've ever heard the name Hybe, let alone BSH, come out of the girls' mouths even once. it's always just ador and daepyunim

[short laurel]

ohk

[mild mist]

the tagline was probably used for the auditions

[old cypress]

https://vxtwitter.com/krucialize_sm/status/1786231194973274133

[short laurel]

wasn't that under sumu or bighit be4 ador was a thing?

[old cypress]

the new sm label

[mild mist]

wasn't it 'hybe global audition' or something?

[hoary frost]

hello phoning

[dry atlas]

lmaoooo i was just gonna share

[short laurel]

so under hybe. still ador wasn't a thing so bts little sister used as ad not apply to nj.

[dry atlas]

sm just made their ador

mhj comeback? lol

[short laurel]

SM want mhj back

[hoary frost]

given how they're noting everything ador and nj does, they maybe do

[opaque torrent]

Something bang pd may be bitter about is how tailored le Sserafim is to the Japanese market. Newjeans kind of captured it with half the effort

[acoustic valve]

Steve Jobs - “Some people say, "Give the customers what they want." But that's not my approach. Our job is to figure out what they're going to want before they do."

[short laurel]

but it's now become give the customer what they not want but make them think they want it

[hoary frost]

yeah, nj success in japan is really surprising. i remember when they debuted, they had hard time rising on AM JP and hype boy only entered after it went viral. everyone was joking that nj was local and only famous in kr, but their songs kept rising for months, laying foundation for Ditto success

[acoustic valve]

that's the difference... and why mhj will have investors lining up after all this settles regardless

[hoary frost]

hype boy reached new peaks in feb/march iirc. ditto really made them global

[old cypress]

newjeans fits japan well

[short laurel]

yea it was only after ditto people took notice of them and spread. for a group from big 4 it's slow. show hybe did nothing for them.

[hoary frost]

yeah. imagine if her non compete ban is annulled and she walks away from hybe, she can open her agency and start from scratch with investors who will give her money but not intervene in her work.

[dry atlas]

#Year_of_NewJeans was crazy

🥹

[acoustic valve]

totally, and 10x more if she somehow gets the members too... which is why the NewJeans IP isn't rly worth much by itself

[hoary frost]

hashtag that lived up to its name

[old cypress]

it's still worth a lot considering fans won't really drop newjeans if mhj leaves

[hoary frost]

naturally, we love them regardless of circumstances

but hybe is very short sighted

[acoustic valve]

Fans would drop NJ if the members left, NJ without the members or mhj is worthless, the real value is in the people attached; both the members and mhj. Which is why the IP alone isn't worth much

[hoary frost]

they are removing person that can set trends as long as she is active and offer blueprint for few more generations. they are killing future prospect of ador as well bc mhj boy group would generate equally huge interest

[acoustic valve]

and my personal opinion; NJ without mhj would do fine in the short-term, but considering Hybe's creative output; it would lose any potential it had for growth

and it would lose something maybe more important to the members themselves; work that they're genuinely proud to be a part of and find personally fulfilling

[short laurel]

that old bastard is ruining innocent teenagers future. 1 is not even an adult

nothing worse than an artists hating their own work

[old cypress]

it's common in kpop though, "artists" get told what to do

which is why nobody is taking them seriously

[short laurel]

that's why mhj and nj are important change that the industry needed and that hope is going away now

[acoustic valve]

one of the reasons I was attached to NJ at first; they genuinely seemed like a group where the entire team both on and off-stage shared a singular vision for the group. It didn't feel like an amalgamation of competing priorities and ideas, which kpop often seems like

[neon kelp]

old fatty bastard

[short laurel]

lets not fat shame

[neon kelp]

lol

[short laurel]

call him old pig bastard

[neon kelp]

old pig bastard

[neon kelp]

why here lol

[white arch]

LMAO I JUST NOTICE IT WAS THE THREAD

[neon kelp]

it happens

[tawdry vessel]

well nourished

[grim shell]

I can't believe OMG/HYBE is Dahn World propaganda. Fatman really up to no good here tryna get kids into a cult lol jeesus fkn crist

[short laurel]

How is omg dahn world? Nothing nj is cult related afaik. Everything just speculation

[copper jetty]

Hi guys. What's new with the Ador vs Hybe kdrama?

[neon kelp]

LMAO

[short laurel]

Nothing until 10th

[mild mist]

nothing since yesterday

[short laurel]

Next season on 10th april

[neon kelp]

I bet we will get 20 episodes like kdrama and left on cliffhanger

[short laurel]

Really nice of them to drop all the episodes in 1 week n new season next week

[neon kelp]

actually they should make a kdrama about this lol

[neon kelp]

meanwhile me waiting for one anime episode is like (off topic)

[copper jetty]

Until maybe end of the month on that general bod meeting

[short laurel]

Oo there will be one. I just know it. Someone nust be writting a manhwa on it in korea i m sure

[short laurel]

Anime is fine. Look at korean manhwa. 1 chapter per week n that chapter is just 2 panels. Then season end after 20 chapters n return of next season after 2-3 months with artists changed

[neon kelp]

fr

they make us wait more then anime

[short laurel]

Thatll be the pacing of the manhwa based on ador vs hybe

[neon kelp]

yea lol

[copper jetty]

But do they have any updates regarding the police investigation that hybe sent?

They're doing this very slowly and atp, it's bad for MHJ since the May 10 is approaching.

[acoustic valve]

i mean, Hybe have already made a complaint to the police.... the less news from the police investigation the better...

[copper jetty]

True. The only way that I could sleep peacefully is when they announce that they found nothing

[acoustic valve]

I'm not sure Hybe is going to risk forcibly removing mhj without at least a charge from the prosecutors... if it happens at all. Hybe would be putting themselves at a lot of risk if they did and the police decide not to charge her... but who knows ig

[short laurel]

the one who breached the board's trust is this 80% shareholder name Hybe

i want a news like that

[copper jetty]

Yeah but that'll be miracle though. 😭 even my wish of them finding nothing is a miracle.

[hoary frost]

based on mhj statement, they're already investigating. im sure she mentioned something about police report

[acoustic valve]

we already know hybe reported her to the police since they announced it, so they have to be investigating, whether she actually gets charged though is another matter.... and honestly I have no idea on the likelihood since we know so little details
I could report anyone to the police right now, they'd be "investigating" them too...

[hoary frost]

yeah

[regal frigate]

Mhm

[hoary frost]

what was that she meant here

hybe threatened VP and they did not report him to police bc he was coerced into admitting that mhj tried takeover?

only person they filed against was MHJ (?) despite media saying VP had this and that in his pc

[opaque torrent]

yeah there are two theories.

1. ador's side is saying hybe is unserious bc they're not even charging the guy who wrote the documents
2. that guy may be a mole/trojan horse

there was a lot of intentional confusion from the leaks at the beginning to make it seem like the guy who transferred from hybe marketing to ador who downloaded all the financial reports was her right hand man, her execs from SM who've been with her for years

i'm personally still unsure

[acoustic valve]

I'm no law expert, but I think you're entitled to know at least some details if the police are investigating you, her lawyers must have exercised those rights to find out that she's the only one that was directly accused in the report

[hoary frost]

VP is not a mole. I know MHJ talked about VP in interview before, calling him human moral compass.

[opaque torrent]

since the mediaplay from hybe's side has slowed down bc ador released a full statement and we are experiencing some peace, i might go back to all the articles and make a timeline

[acoustic valve]

Not necessarily a mole, but I wouldn't put it past Hybe to intentionally place the VP in Ador knowing they'd act in such a manner and were keeping tabs on them... an unwitting mole, if you will

politics is a funny game, especially in environments like a large corporation

[hoary frost]

there was VP and Mr. A in media reports. I forgot who had supposed confidential info downloaded but I believe that was Mr. A , former HYBE IR employee, unlike VP who worked with MHJ in SM and is close friend of her

[opaque torrent]

there was MR L too

[hoary frost]

they be using whole alphabet omg

[opaque torrent]

i think bc i trusted tmikpop at the beginning, i didn't understand the makeup of her board members. tmikpop made no distinction among them

ok this weekend, can y'all help me sort out all the articles? mediaplay/leaks, official announcements, and serious analyses from legal experts?

[hoary frost]

I think VP only had independence memo in PC as MHJ claims that he wrote that because she was suffering from HYBE pressure

[regal frigate]

I hope this will end

[hoary frost]

u can use pinned articles

soompi also translated some

[opaque torrent]

im not using anything from reddit keke

[hoary frost]

ADOR BOD:
CEO Min Heejin
VP Shin
Creative Director Kim Yemin
Auditor Park
HYBE rep

[serene cloud]

is the auditor independent or hire d by hybe

[hoary frost]

no idea

MHJ talked about VP in beattitude interview

[regal frigate]

😔

[hoary frost]

first paragraph, she mentioned Yemin Kim, creative director

[opaque torrent]

so we know hybe are liars but even they make the weirdest mistakes while defending themselves - or in this case kim garam - too.

so in the kim garam controversy, hybe released this super detailed statement that summarized her school violence report, and confirmed that she only swore at someone who posted basically CP of her friend online. for some reason, hybe said the perpetrator of that incident was not punished by the school... but in the actual summary, the perp was essentially expelled and forced to transfer. Hybe saying the school didn't punish her made knetz think if it was CP, no way would the school not do anything.

another thing is hybe went to the media to confirm that garam never committed any physical violence/assault. they said that her "measure 5" punishment that was like an education program and that's why garam's mother was ok with it. this got garam's mother a lot of hate... but i happen to have seen the letter garam wanted to release and, in her letter, she explicitly said her parents protested her punishment. so hybe doesn't have a history of telling half-truths, but straight up spreading misinformation.

[hoary frost]

tbh i dont believe that agency does not do basic background check on trainees before debuting them

[serene cloud]

they can't access school records though

[old cypress]

iirc what we got is both girls were fighting each other and they both were about to be expelled except the other transferred schools and avoided disciplinary action. And since being violent and all (even for a good reason) is unfit for an idol garam got removed from lsfm

[serene cloud]

the reality of the garam situation is that it was happening in the middle of a widespread anti bullying controversy - so it would have been hard to keep her anyways - even if hybe had handled it perfectly

[old cypress]

People expect idols to be perfect especially female idols

[hoary frost]

lets say that. but accusations dropped when she was revealed, hybe proceeded with debut like nothing happened and made public persecute 16 yo girl.

[old cypress]

Well they couldn't remove her just like that. MV being filmed and all

[serene cloud]

well they probably calculated they could skate through it + they didn't want to reshoot everything

[hoary frost]

well thats also true

i really hope that ador staff can stay together as they are

[short laurel]

the fact that korea say they are serious about school bully but let the offender free if they transfer school. it's so stupid

[opaque torrent]

Garam was never to be expelled….

[opaque torrent]

Logic tells me that HYBE wouldn’t take it that far if they didn’t have evidence, but also, they wouldn’t create such a farce and played so dirty if they did too

[old cypress]

In any case I hope she comes back soon, I'll buy a few albums to support her

[acoustic valve]

yeah those are the two factors I'm not too sure on either, if they were so sure of their evidence, then all the media play seemed unnecessary and too damaging for themselves... the only thing I'm willing to bet on rn is that they have enough evidence to ensure they won't be countersued for a false report... lol

[short laurel]

that would still be a win to hybe and lose to mhj in international community
a bad ending

[opaque torrent]

I think most kpop stans who aren’t BTS stans don’t care

They’re just really loud and in everyone’s business

[short laurel]

lsf and illit fandom do seem to care from what i m seeing

army is just in everyones nose. everything bts even if nothing is related to hybe

[opaque torrent]

lol illit fans are valid, lsf can stfd with how they treated garam and should aim their ire at bang pd for pushing the group when they’re not ready

[short laurel]

true.

personally idc about illit. it's weird they have somewhat strogn fandom when they jsut debuted. no one even know them outside runext

[old cypress]

People liked their debut

[acoustic valve]

dont rly think most online fandom wars matter all that much in the grand scheme

[old cypress]

Overall it was solid

[short laurel]

that's just 1 song that got hit. it isn't enough to be all falling over them. kpop fans are jsut weird to me i guess.

[opaque torrent]

MHJ didn’t directly used a 16 year old for noise marketing and subject her to verbal abuse. MHJ didn’t neglect basic vocal lessons. MHJ didnt blatantly “take inspiration” from popular western artists

[short laurel]

who was verbally abused in hybe ?

[opaque torrent]

Garam

[short laurel]

ooh yea 😦

is there any incident where army like forced to backdown on fandom war ?

[opaque torrent]

They were in garams business too, defending HYBE lol

[short laurel]

oo they are in every business even when hybe is not involved.

[opaque torrent]

Actually no. At first they were like HYBE is so evil letting a bully debut IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BTS and then when the truth came out it was “HYBE did their best”

[short laurel]

who was that korean american girl who won some award and army cried that she isn't korean. they took away her ethnicity jsut cuz bts wasn't 1st.

they had no business in that yet they poped up on everyoens face.

[old cypress]

Fans love to give their 2 cents on everything and cancel those who don't agree with them

[opaque torrent]

https://x.com/cato_o_o/status/1786407228452311497?s=46

Cato_o_o (@cato_o_o) on X

This Knetz comment I saw in JTBC news on YouTube I think does a good job of summarizing the his/her view on strategy and intention of HYBE so far.

“HYBE claimed it was a termination of the contract, but on January 25th, Min Hee-jin demanded that for resolving HYBE's

1/

Twitter · May 3, 2024, 2:47 PM

[old cypress]

But in the grand scheme of things they're irrelevant so you shouldn't care too much about ifans

I looked at naver news yesterday a lot of headlines were "mhj asked for the right to terminate newjeans" Hybe is still trying to turn the opinion around

[opaque torrent]

Yeah knetz don’t buy it. And that was before Ador’s response so now they really don’t buy it

https://x.com/cato_o_o/status/1786407254679306348?s=46

Cato_o_o (@cato_o_o) on X

who is an accountant. Experts said the vice president who wrote the suspicious content in the KakaoTalk messages and memos is now excluded from the list of suspects by HYBE, and even though Min Hee-jin simply wrote "대박" (awesome), she is being accused and targeted

6/

Twitter · May 3, 2024, 2:47 PM

This is a good comment. Grateful to Cato for translating it

[short laurel]

wait if that is true then shouldn't mhj like not lose in court ?

[opaque torrent]

I can’t open the YT video on mobile right now for whatever reason but we should upvote the comment

[short laurel]

since that would be there was no actual breach of trusts by mhj but by hybe

[opaque torrent]

We’re in the police investigation phase right now. The complaint may not make it to court

[short laurel]

ooh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUPztYgERz4 the video link cuz twitter giving some weird issue in running it.

[serene cloud]

https://vxtwitter.com/juantokki/status/1786402301361668400?t=7fJ3AbvJOauztkHlrhITQw&s=19

[marble cape]

any new info?

[serene cloud]

i don't think so

[echo scaffold]

really nice to see there are armies who are against bsh

[marble cape]

i remember when this guy interviewed newjeans

this is when i became a fan first time i heard danielle and hanni speak in english

[hoary frost]

So true.

[lyric geyser]

So what’s new

[short laurel]

now i saw post about people saying "creative directors are replaceable". everyone forgot what happened when loona's cd changed.

kpoppies now have short term memory.

[opaque torrent]

MHJ’s name alone brings so much interest

[short laurel]

I just realised. People are weirded out by how mhj is close to nj. Why no one questioned anything when bang was close in bts initially? Or every big 4 company has their founder close to their 1st few idol groups. But they all questioning mhj?

[tawdry vessel]

how is being close to someone you care about is weird

[short laurel]

People think it's wrong to be close to your coworkers or boss apparently. From what i m seeing. But they nvr questioned old gen but questions about everything of mhj.

[mild mist]

I guess you're not supposed to care about people, only money

[serene cloud]

yg married one of his former idols

[short laurel]

Ik. He waited for her to turn adult then married her. That was disgusting

[marble cape]

first it was mhj doesnt care for the girls and now its shes weird that shes close with the girls lol kpop stans might be the funniest ppl in the world

[twin cypress]

Cause they believe the allegations that she a p***/groomer so they look for whatever confirms their pre existing bias about her

[acoustic valve]

https://vxtwitter.com/kookyphamz/status/1786475964710481959

[valid sierra]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-0IpD5R2to
the outfit 💀

[old cypress]

I tried the hat today, surprisingly it looked good on me