NJZ Updates and Discussion

[tiny peak]

that speaks a lot to me, didn't she work there a long time? so she was respected enough to be offered that role after a long career there. HYBE must be insanely toxic

[dry atlas]

CEO???

as in take over lee soo man's position?

[sudden frigate]

What's this?

[acoustic valve]

wait actually i misread it, the direct quote from her on what LSM said was 그럼 너 유급 휴직 내가 보내줄까? 아니면은 너 좀 쉬다가 공부하다 오면은 사장을 해

[kind hill]

What is going on

[Exclusive] The hearing of HYBE's application for permission to convene an extraordinary general meeting of shareholders [to dismiss ADOR's CEO & Management] will occur today at 4:35pm (30th April).

HYBE is reportedly planning to replace ADOR's management within one to two months.

I saw this on twt

[rain spade]

everyone would be gone

[white arch]

What is shareholders?

[neon kelp]

I say mhj really needs to take newjeans with her

[grim shell]

NewJeans isn't going anywhere, MHJ only owns 18%

[acoustic valve]

I mean, I've no doubt they're trying to leave, a matter of if they find a way

[grim shell]

Even If they manage to leave they won't be allowed to use the name NewJeans, it'll be like a disbandment without Hybe marketing support payola etc

[acoustic valve]

lol hybe barely ever did anything for them, as we have learnt over the last week and a half. If anything, they were working against them. On balance, whatever peripheral positives of being under hybe were cancelled out by the way Hybe played favorites inside their building.

If by some miracle they manage to all leave together, they will do perfectly fine even without the newjeans name

[cerulean sail]

MHJ can't leave
The moment she is dismissed, HYBE is going to swoop in to destroy ADOR, fire everybody, take away all the brands and connections, alter all future projects and change all the songs, steal all the NJ IP for their other groups, overwork the girls with fanmeets and tiktok challenges to promote other artists, have them release weird pro-HYBE messages, change all their daily routine, give them less training, take away all their opportunities to be involved in their music...
There is nothing good coming out of MHJ leaving.

[tiny peak]

MHJ had a seven year plan for the growth and development of the girls. you're right, HYBE will just put them to work without regard for any of that

[half knot]

LSM stopped being CEO many years before he was kicked out of SM

sort of like JYP stopped being CEO a long while back

[marble cape]

https://x.com/memo_tape/status/1785112637837308184?s=46&t=9soyW0p90scMzt4hsDRP7A this was good tldr imo

snks (@memo_tape) on X

Main actors :
•Ador (Min Hee jin)
•HYBE (Bang Si Hyuck “Bang”)
•PJW 박지원 (Executive Member of HYBE; previously a global executive for NEXON, a game company that made a bunch of hits such as Maple story)
Source Music (Independent Label of HYBE; like Ador)

Twitter · Apr 30, 2024, 1:03 AM

doesnt have alot of likes or followers but everything in the thread makes sense to me let me know if im wrong tho

[opaque torrent]

https://www.bzeronews.com/news/articleView.html?idxno=657865 lol love that cult university came out to defend itself. PLEASE who are they fooling (except armys) even mormons hvave their own accredited university

[acoustic valve]

yeah i saw the thread, no, it looks pretty good. Clearly written by an actual Korean, so stuff is pretty accurate

[marble cape]

yea it all adds up to the timeline rn

[echo scaffold]

Its impossible to think they are unrelated

[echo scaffold]

If the cult corporations are using BTS for marketing without permission

why doesnt hybe just officially make a statement and sue them

[hoary frost]

court hearing in one hour?

i might need to call ambulance

[tiny peak]

the funny thing is army are happy about this, those poor sweet souls, like take a look at their website and tell me it isn't a cult university

[neon kelp]

time to get the protest truck ready anytime soon

[echo scaffold]

people in dcinside newjeans forum

[opaque torrent]

day one: mhj committed insider trading, leaked sensitive and harmful info about labelmates' artists

day seven: hybe indirectly admits its non-compute clause in mhj's contract could be interpreted as a slave contract

[echo scaffold]

which is biggest newjeans fanbase in korea

[neon kelp]

bts

[echo scaffold]

are preparing for a truck

[echo scaffold]

.

[dry atlas]

guys

[opaque torrent]

i can't wait what "mhj borrowed money from bang pd to buy shares from her own company and is asking for a 3000% raise" allegations will turn into

[dry atlas]

what what was the setup of ador ownership before the 80/20

[acoustic valve]

100/0

[dry atlas]

or was it like that from the start

[neon kelp]

the website is not even opening

[dry atlas]

o

[hoary frost]

originally 100 hybe

[opaque torrent]

when are people going to learn to stop trusting leaks at face value and only trust what they actually say on record + legal decisions

[acoustic valve]

kpop fans? Never, because the only point that matters is whether it reinforces their worldview. If info is harmful to their favs/favs company, its mediaplay. If it's beneficial, it's real and true

[neon kelp]

if that happens they might even stop the live thing for phoning

[acoustic valve]

tbf, that's something that can be said of all people's treatment of media, but it's most obvious in kpop spaces

[opaque torrent]

hybe leaking suggestions to the media a la telling them min hee jin is asking for 3000% increase in returns is making everyone forget that this is a negotiation tactic to release the non-compute clause.

[neon kelp]

only internationals fans
korean fans are dumb

[opaque torrent]

when you do business with basterdos, you have to ask for the bakery in order to get some crumbs

[tiny peak]

yeah exactly, like that's how negotitation works

[neon kelp]

I thought u said ||"bastard"||

[opaque torrent]

wait let me revise lol: you have to ask for the bakery in order to get a loaf of bread. if you ask for a loaf of bread up front, you get crumbs

[orchid field]

what is happening on sbs rn

[neon kelp]

so what do u mean by that?

[opaque torrent]

its a metaphor

[neon kelp]

I'm bad with metaphors

[opaque torrent]

im bad at explaing metaphors

[neon kelp]

has newjeans lost monthly listeners in recent months

I bet it was 20,805,301

or more

I was right they managed to reach 24M monthly listeners

[ocean arch]

Do we need to start brainstorming new names for NJ ?

[tawdry vessel]

JeansNew

[neon kelp]

bad

[valid sierra]

ADORables

[somber pumice]

recently developed trousers

[neon kelp]

newjeans is only good

[grim shell]

New Blouse

[neon kelp]

eh wth even more bad

[ocean arch]

Modern apparel

[valid sierra]

rippedjeans

[orchid field]

NewGenes

[neon kelp]

that's basically newjeans

[ocean arch]

That's the point

[neon kelp]

this is not modern war or cod lol

[tawdry vessel]

New Jeans (with space)

[opaque torrent]

eugene

[neon kelp]

there is space on New Jeans

[tawdry vessel]

no

[ocean arch]

Good thing the girls used their real name otherwise they might even need new names

[neon kelp]

yea

[opaque torrent]

proof of breach of trust

[ocean arch]

Hmm explain pls

[neon kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/blacrswan-gif-26079757

[valid sierra]

i stan jerry jamaica

[neon kelp]

[opaque torrent]

why are ppl asking me to explain so many things tonight lol

[tiny peak]

the song New Jeans does have a space

[half knot]

Novel Denim

[neon kelp]

If hybe changes newjeans song of style
I swear I won't listen to it

only old songs

until bubble gum

[short laurel]

army is already cult like. if hybe says they are gods. they'll believe it in a heartbeat.

[half knot]

I don't see a world wherein everything that has come to light in the past 7 days and likely will continue for months can just be swept under the rug and NJ continues as if nothing has changed

[opaque torrent]

mediaplay that turned out to be false: mhj leaking trainee medical records/info, mhj accusing everyone (except illit) of plagiarizing her, mhj stealing so sung jin's trainees, hybe's non-compute clause isn't sus

[neon kelp]

I hope so

that nothing changes

[opaque torrent]

personally i quite like eugene, i'll personally be going by that

[neon kelp]

I didn't like eugene

[opaque torrent]

hatergene

[half knot]

antigen

[opaque torrent]

nice

[neon kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/le-sserafim-le-sserafim-antifragile-kpop-gif-26938485

[half knot]

you know, I want a timeline where kpop groups throw shades at each other in their lyrics like rappers do

[neon kelp]

but then that would have destroyed the purpose of making kpop songs

if it's full of rap and throwing shades

[opaque torrent]

lol are we staying up for the predictable court decision like theres a comeback happening?

[short laurel]

basically mhj had to ask for 30x increase in order to get 20x which btw isn't as much as it sounds.

[neon kelp]

ohh ty for explaining

[ocean arch]

It's only 1:40 pm here

[half knot]

it's telling that haggling is a lost art now huh, maybe that's why people struggle with this

[neon kelp]

it's only 12:40 here

[opaque torrent]

yeah ty for explaining @short laurel

[orchid field]

https://www.youtube.com/live/dLMjETazVNo?si=T1YwmCB6-iM1Y_Es

half an hour to go ig

[half knot]

don't expect anything today lol

[opaque torrent]

i can trust mhj more bc she got in front of everyone in person and state her position. how am i suppose to trust hybe when they leak their info to the media so it doesnt matter if the info that's been dispersed is true or not?

[short laurel]

it's cuz most of the people are from west. most of them buy branded stuff. they can't even look at non brand items without thinking they are bad.
funfact if u know how ot look u can find non branded stuff with better quality than even top middle brands.

[neon kelp]

ador should leak too

[opaque torrent]

like mhj can't sue hybe for claiming she stole all the members from source music

[orchid field]

yeah one came out to public and poured their heart out

the other just published a 4000 word essay written by his minions

[neon kelp]

like they did before

[orchid field]

https://tenor.com/view/blacrswan-gif-26079757

[neon kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/blacrswan-gif-26079757

[half knot]

there has to be more to this than we've got so far, there's no rational reason for HYBE to go all-in on such overwhelming tarnish campaign

[acoustic valve]

This saga will remain a stain on Hybe and even Kpop overall. Hybe was outed as the soulless content factory it is, treating art as nothing more than a commodity. This is something everyone always kind of knew about the industry, but would cope ourselves into thinking there was still some artistic integrity left. Hybe have snuffed out any pretense on that by doing this to perhaps the most rapidly successful group ever.

Everyone will remember what happened to the last group that even tried to make art for the sake of art; they were snuffed even though they were supremely successful. This will probably get a lot of western coverage as well. Even Marvel only lasted for 10 years treating movies this way, how long can Hybe last? Is their branding and business more capable than Disney's?

Hybe's dreams of expanding globally will burn, may BSH and scooter go to hell together on their train of greed.

[opaque torrent]

whos responsible for putting the target on her back after speculating she invaded trainees' privacy?

[half knot]

also demanding that she resign is very telling. usually higher level directors and executives have various traps built into their contracts to avoid sudden dismissals and such.

wonder if her severence is just too high for HYBE to pay so they want her to resign instead of being voted out/let go.

also hilarious that HYBE now accuses a "viral company" of running a "tarnish campaign" ...

when they did that initially themselves... and are probably all too familiar with doing this in the past to other groups from competitors lol

[ocean arch]

I think they leaked everything they can legally when mhj did a press conference

[acoustic valve]

it's got to be mediaplay purely for the insane international ARMY fanbase. I can't imagine that bs is fooling a single Korean...

[tiny peak]

that's what I don't understand, kpop is still niche globally, but newjeans was changing that perception

viral company = the entire nation of south korea

[opaque torrent]

so far everything they've projected onto ceo mhj they've been guilty of
its been corporate DARVO

[short laurel]

if it's not weird to ask. can someone tell me where mhj p allegation started ?

[tawdry vessel]

mr a got caught?

[half knot]

I don't think that's what Namiko is asking lol

[opaque torrent]

manipulating public perception
leaking insider info
accusing the other of putting curses while being a cult member

[short laurel]

mr a ?

[neon kelp]

they should leak more

[opaque torrent]

technically it started back when red velvet russian roulette came out. she was accused of using a lolita concept. knetz thought that poster was crazy and it is crazy if you watch the MV lol

[neon kelp]

that's why I wondered why u said russian roulette
it was the red velvet mv u meant

[short laurel]

ooh dam.

[opaque torrent]

yeah the RR mv is about a bunch of girls trying to murder each other. its very cheeky and theyre all wearing gym clothes. the accusations were so off the mark knetz laughed it off

[short laurel]

i nvr looked at that mv that seriously. i love that song though.

[tiny peak]

it's so gross how their obviously try to use their fanbase to attack others, like these are your fans and customers, not your minions

[opaque torrent]

then after newjeans debuted another post appeared on nate pann, pointing out shes inspired by brooke shields (whos older than her might i add), has a nude woman on her wall (an of-age erotic actress) and bc she had images of the olivia hussey romeo and juliet on her IG. this time it took off bc people wanna believe it and newjeans was. doing amazing

[half knot]

with regards to this conversation, I'll say one thing, anybody who claims kpop doesn't explicitly and purposefully use young teens in inappropriate ways is just ignoring reality, whether it be inappropriate choreography, photoshoots, concepts, or otherwise.

in case of MHJ, it's her choice of artistic directions and inspirations that gets her those accusations, and likely a form of misperception or projection on the part of the accusing audience.

Which in my view is a hell of a lot less problematic than other companies and how they use their groups...

[neon kelp]

I don't even know those all people beside newjeans

[tiny peak]

i hate to say it, but this is so basic and expected for a woman her age and in her profession

[short laurel]

dude lyrics of soo many kpop songs i learned few months ago what they actually means. in comparasion NJ songs are sooo dam pure.

[neon kelp]

I guess I became second jay at this point

[acoustic valve]

i knooow, I literally grew up watching brooke shields movies because my mother loved her and we'd rewatch her movies all the time...

[opaque torrent]

someone in a kpop group chat i was in brought up how inappropriate yeri was staged in ICC... i asked her, can you show me pics/screencaps of what you mean from the video? then i got yelled at for defending a ceo lol like wtf

[feral tapir]

fr

[opaque torrent]

no proof, just a lot of yelling

[half knot]

I think I said this before but the western songs that kpop companies buy from producers and lyricists overseas often put suggestive and sexual themes on song demos as practically a form of lyrical lorem ipsum, and sometimes kpop companies, either due to ignorance or laziness or otherwise, don't change them enough.

[tiny peak]

all the choreos and concepts have been appropriate, so I had a lot of respect for the NJ project (well except those damn cookie lyrics)

[short laurel]

oo yea i still c when someone makes an argument against hybe everyone in replies yell words "p* defender" no proper argument just that.

[opaque torrent]

that person was a moa. i hope they suffered when there was a hate train against that anime that implicated their boys lol

[half knot]

That's kind of the point, they say something you can't rationally defend lol

A different example of this kind of argument is when a potentially authoritarian government wants to pass a law that invades privacy severely for its citizens, so they say "anybody opposed to this doesn't want to protect children!"

[short laurel]

about cookie. i didn't know what it meant. when i asked other people they didn't knwo what it meant either but jsut sitll hated it cuz "it's what that guy said" and it was a logn train of just this until finally i figured out what song sogns issue was. so it's another dumb thing of fandom.

[opaque torrent]

it was so weird. people (not mhj) put together a collage of a young brook shields and compared her to newjeans

https://netizenturkey.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/jhrgre.jpg

and its just brooke shields looking cute and pretty... like every young girl wants to look? what is so creepy about this? whats creepy is what you are suggesting we should be seeing

[half knot]

I think part of it had to do with the conditioning that young teenage debuting idols shouldn't look like young teenagers and act like young teenagers, because somehow that's creepy

they should be, excuse my language, humping the floor, like 15yo eunchae (and 16yo garam) in lsf first mv instead

[acoustic valve]

I've said it before, but it's reminiscent of the way trans people are targeted and accused of it, even if the motivations and actual damage caused is different.
The point is to make claims based on circumstantial evidence and assumptions. Claims that can never be rationally disproven because it's impossible to prove you're not a p. There will always be circumstantial and ambiguous evidence supporting the the accusation, but none exists for the opposite. It's just a never ending slander campaign that will never go away because they already believe it's true despite no real evidence.

[opaque torrent]

right and there was that weird creepy thread about how mhj uses innocence to attract p-fans to her group and its literally a thread sexualizing natural black hair and natural makeup

what are 14-18 year olds supposed to be except innocent? lol

[short laurel]

that kinda funny that all of kpop fandom keep treating them like babies even in thier 40's but they not want them ot act like babies in their teens. kidna messed up.

[half knot]

yeah it's projection or I don't know concept shock perhaps because of just how sexualized teens usually are in kpop

[dry atlas]

off topic now

[short laurel]

sorry mel

[dry atlas]

[neon kelp]

I still dk who is brook shields

[acoustic valve]

ask ur mother

[arctic sky]

lol

[acoustic valve]

or granma, depending on their ages

[neon kelp]

I bet they don't know either

[half knot]

even if they don't know her by name, they'll know her face and probably some of her works

[acoustic valve]

if they were even mildly aware of pop culture and films in the 80s; they'd know who she is. Arguably the most iconic face of the 80s

[mild mist]

Someone from america

[tiny peak]

yup she was the it girl of the times

[hoary frost]

brooke and olivia hussey are considered timeless beauties even by koreans. for decades, they have been comparing idols to these two

[opaque torrent]

back in the day when i went to school (im old), every freshman had to watch olivia hussey's r&j. does that mean all of us are p? were we supposed to be aware of the actors' ages and how they felt when they filmed nearly 50 years later?

stans who need to moralize everything and project that onto everything they consume are so weird

[brazen ice]

just watching smthn is different from having a full picture on it in yo living room lmao

[hoary frost]

my friends used to have that r&j iconic pic on fb profiles haha. its just too iconic

[acoustic valve]

olivia hussey's still big in Korea, but brooke shields' fame and legacy is far more wide-reaching everywhere else. Korea just has a weird thing for olivia

[half knot]

to be fair is it really weirder than having giant posters of young kpop idols on one's wall?

[hoary frost]

tbh her house is like museum it feels like she has posters and statues and items she has collected for decades

[brazen ice]

theyre not half naked

[half knot]

debatable given some kpop costumes

[brazen ice]

true

[opaque torrent]

was it a poster on her wall? (i dont think theres anything wrong with it since its an iconic image/film) or was it just a still she shared on IG

[hoary frost]

it was vogue photoshoot and just face pic. and romeo and juliet pic on ig

[brazen ice]

it was a poster im pretty sure

[hoary frost]

how long is court hearing

do they make decisions in 5 mins or smth

[acoustic valve]

and if we're going to get into it, the intention behind the [partial] nudity matters too. It does a disservice to a lot of artistic photography to just reduce it to the description "half-naked". Like, Michaelangelo's David is completely nude and explicit... and we recognize to reduce it to such a description is extremely misleading. The photos shown in MHJ's house certainly falls into the artistic side of the spectrum

[half knot]

well, it was a classy framed picture, MHJ is too sophisticated for posters just taped to walls

[brazen ice]

ye she seems to be the whole art could be in anything type of person. Dunno how to explain

[opaque torrent]

https://magazine.beattitude.kr/artist-project/artistproject-minheejin-part1-eng/ raw vinyls on the floor tho 🥹

[hoary frost]

she comes off principled and ethical woman regardless of everything. she has maintained long lasting friendship with krystal and nj parents trust her. she must be evil mastermind to deceive everyone and not have single person come forward to say ill things

[acoustic valve]

she sounds like someone that takes art very seriously and thinks she's superior and more important than everyone else because of it. Like most great artists tbh

and what bubbles said too

[brazen ice]

yup exactly that lmao

[hoary frost]

gag it

[short laurel]

i would love to go to her house just to c everything she's collected

[hoary frost]

tbh i would too if i had her ability lolol

[short laurel]

time to get back into art and become famous then make friends with her. sounds siple enough.

[hoary frost]

friends in jail

[short laurel]

why jail ?

[hoary frost]

jk

[acoustic valve]

I have genuine artist friends, if you thought the life of an idol was tough; being an artist is worse. Truly only reason you'd do it is for the passion

[ocean arch]

Any updates?

[steep torrent]

what is her relationship with krystal? i dont really know anything about her

[hoary frost]

they're best friends tbh

[short laurel]

considering how people treat their work. it's hard very hard. so many people have to give up as they lose confidence.

[hoary frost]

she cared a lot about fx. she spent her own pocket money for pink tape i remember

[short laurel]

and no time to focus on art with the daily expenses.

then there's that art market in billionaires auctions. they just make art a joke

[hoary frost]

im surprised that sm did not have non compete ban against her

or maybe it was only few months

[acoustic valve]

that's one thing about artists, especially in modern art. You need to value yourself to make good art. It's hard be any good if you're constantly worrying about how others will perceive it. You should always try to making something that you're proud of even if the rest of the world hates it.
Now that I think about it, mhj did say something similar in one of her interviews

[half knot]

after 17 years, I doubt SM was gonna screw over her future career

[hoary frost]

reminds me hybe banned lsm for working in sk for 3 years right?

[copper jetty]

They did???

[hoary frost]

yeah they did

[half knot]

When Min Heejin left SM, she said that she and Lee Soo Man talked and both cried, so they must be close to each other.

[short laurel]

that's true but sometimes u need external stimuli. human nature they crave approval. like u need to hear that u are doing well! you can do it!. or person end up losing confidence and give up. happens alot.

[hoary frost]

she still disliked how lsm operated sm

[half knot]

she disliked how SM operated after LSM stepped down as CEO more

[hoary frost]

did she say that

[half knot]

how naive of her to think HYBE was better

[acoustic valve]

this reason is probably why most successful artists are egotistical and self-important; like their 💩 don't stink

[short laurel]

current SM is operating even worse now.

[short laurel]

probably.

[half knot]

not in such words but she said she took an executive role at SM to see if she could influence the management direction, at least at LSM's suggestion, but was burnt out a year after. I don't know where the claims that LSM wanted to eventually make her CEO came from, but they're also out there.

[half knot]

SM in my opinion no longer exists except in name. The entire old guard were replaced by Kakao or quit. And legacy artists are leaving too.

[acoustic valve]

she said so in her press conference, although the term she used was just sajang, so maybe not SM CEO directly? Idk, but it was implied it was a promotion, so maybe?

[hoary frost]

she was already member of board in sm

but only for a year, left in 2018

[half knot]

becoming an exec seems to have been the last straw for her there

[short laurel]

no longer a big 3 yea.

[hoary frost]

i think only reason she wanted to be even CEO is to be free to do what she wanted

is court hearing over yet

[half knot]

this bit from that interview back in 2022 seems to foreshadow what happened now

[half knot]

and this about what you said

[nimble stream]

they're in the board meet rn yea?

[hoary frost]

exactly this.

[acoustic valve]

it's so sad because she really did do that perfectly with Ador... if only she had found independent investment and not Hybe....

[short laurel]

she wouldn't have gotten current girls for her gg then.

but she would've still made it a success. though not on same scale.

[tawdry vessel]

then we wouldn't have the nj members

[hoary frost]

HYBE claims that they have independent labels but they are more like JYP divisions than actual independent labels like Kakao has. Chairman oversees and makes final decision about concepts and music, they follow same promotional methods (thats why illit promo method was pointed out to be similar to nj: coex billboard film, fashion brand event, super elle cover, hanbok pictorial, etc). ADOR did nj promos and roll out in unique way, let alone their music and concepts have their own color. thats why nj is this popular

[valid sierra]

board meeting was cancelled. but hybe requested for an extraordinary general meeting which has scheduled hearing today at 4:30PM KST

[acoustic valve]

her description of the balance and tension of reality (needs to be profitable) and being a dreamer (doing it for the art) is an already well-understood and managed concept. It's the entire thesis the hollywood industry is built on. Hollywood understands that there needs to be a balance for it to thrive, Too much of either is not sustainable. In the film industry this is usually managed with various parties advocating from their own expertise; producers with the business know-how and directors with the artistic vision.

It's amazing she combined these two roles perfectly within herself, because damn was ador profitable whilst creating some genuine and unique art. And still, she gets torn down by BSH, it's just so stupid and such a waste

[acoustic valve]

tbf, they were all either scouted from Plus Global (her personal project) or other means unrelated to Hybe. So maybe it still would've happened the same way

[hoary frost]

should have taken them out when they were just trainees ikr

5 dollars and dream >>>> hybe 16m or whatever

[acoustic valve]

🥹 https://vxtwitter.com/CakeDegg/status/1785225803745341755

[short laurel]

hybe name did help spreed the word and more international people kids participated.

[valid sierra]

oh we want them out of that corrupt label as well. like please just let them be free

[lucid yarrow]

we get the shaman too dam they giving us all the luck

[short laurel]

shaman better than cult.

[neon kelp]

my back in the day is still present lol

I'm not even 25 yet

[hoary frost]

there are so many twts like this and even worse. what did girls even do wrong

[short laurel]

https://vxtwitter.com/Stren_yyl/status/1785205244575515115?t=7E8BjhAAtNjZsuAwD4cI7g&s=19

Look at this. I m struggling i understand how that's 11 people 😭😂

[white arch]

11 writers for a song is wild but its ok

[short laurel]

It's not properly detailed n just haters making stuff up. Check the pic it's just 5 people n only 3 are writters

If u look up on this thread ull c 4 songs n how people are reading it

[dry atlas]

what are you on

[white arch]

im getting lost

[neon kelp]

that was my mistake lol
I thought it was something else

[short laurel]

So haters can't even read their own post anymore. N it's stupid funny 😂

[acoustic valve]

I'm amazed they had the motor function skills to number them 1 by 1. But not enough to actually recognize over half the list is duplicated... truly a fascinating brain

[hoary frost]

nj works with very few songwriters tbh.

i guess thats bc they take songs as it is rather than sewing them together

[vale grove]

Newjeans are the most popular girl group rn. Ofc they want to see them leave, this is all hate because they are insecure in their ults success

[hoary frost]

is court hearing news out yet

https://v.daum.net/v/20240430180334432

saw it on twt

[mild mist]

Inflation I guess

[hoary frost]

there will be more hearing on may 10 and 13

[short laurel]

huh inflation ?

[quick wadi]

lovely time to close chat till May 10

[white arch]

dont u dare.

[ocean arch]

this is THE chat now

[short laurel]

do it tim

[acoustic valve]

do u really want the chat about cults to spill into the other channels?

[white arch]

Dw guys, i got this.

[quick wadi]

[white arch]

https://tenor.com/view/musediet-le-sserafim-cult-worship-unforgiven-gif-15156377763543290318

ଜଳ ପୃଥିବୀ ଡ୍ରାଗନ୍ |
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[short laurel]

it's funny. both bunnies and hybe stans wants nj and ador out of hybe. jsut hybe not want them out of hybe.

u guys made tim go offline

[quick wadi]

huh

[short laurel]

ooh he back already

[quick wadi]

you pinged me

[short laurel]

xD

[white arch]

oh wait, its that true, tim

[tawdry vessel]

this is the best channel on this server

[white arch]

[quick wadi]

I would argue worst

this is like hell in a bottle

[ocean arch]

Bunnies need this thread to keep them sane

[short laurel]

we need a place to yap

[quick wadi]

maybe I need a shaman

[neon kelp]

rlly?
when I started texting here
it gave me depression

[ocean arch]

At least u got a place to talk abt it

[lucid yarrow]

man if Supernatural turn out to be another anti cult mv/song it be so funny coincidentally scary

[neon kelp]

also what's with the cult thing

[ocean arch]

Intro starts with a dancing shaman

[tawdry vessel]

atleast no dogs barking here

[neon kelp]

in which mv

[acoustic valve]

i want it to be true just out of coincidence, that was some A-grade popcorn content

[neon kelp]

that's true lol

[ocean arch]

Supernatural

[tawdry vessel]

we needed a serious nj chat channel and this is the one

[acoustic valve]

i need an analysis of the supernatural MV and how it's related to escaping the cult to go crazy viral on weibo. will be great marketing for NJ too

[neon kelp]

I couldn't find it

[ocean arch]

That was a joke 🤣

[neon kelp]

https://imgur.com/m2uGf4d

take this

[dry atlas]

what did you even want to talk about in this serious nj channel before this drama

[quick wadi]

serious newjeans topics only please

[dry atlas]

if i send lol will i get timed out

[valid sierra]

https://m.entertain.naver.com/now/article/112/0003694693

[acoustic valve]

Serious topics such as Ador's application of dialectics to produce NJ's content. How they've applied the thesis-antithesis-synthesis method to iron out the incongruencies in Kpop's approach to art, producing work that is both commercially successful yet personally fulfilling for the artists involved.

[dry atlas]

yeah just dm each other

[ocean arch]

Where's the fun in that

[dry atlas]

so what now

[acoustic valve]

finale drops at the end of may, whether there's another season is tbd

[quick wadi]

please don’t be a cliff hanger

[dry atlas]

i just dk how you can't talk about that in nj chat 😭🤣

[valid sierra]

looks like they dont wanna prolong it anymore. id say it is a good thing since hybe legal team didnt comment and only ador legal team answered questions

[dry atlas]

i will share your optimism

[orchid field]

same

[short laurel]

in there's we'll be constantly distracted by fake and people posting cute nj pics and memes.

[acoustic valve]

fake p took me out

[dry atlas]

steel yourselves

[quick wadi]

[tawdry vessel]

I feel like i dont need to explain as you can obviously tell the differences. But nothing wrong with the other one tho. Both are great. But yeah more on the artistic sides of things, etc.

[errant osprey]

I can kind of see what’s gonna happen now

[vapid bronze]

Roller coaster of emotions these last few days

[errant osprey]

Yeah but it’s gonna die out now there’s nothing else

Probably hybe is gonna pay mhj and she will leave ador that’s probably the most probable option

[vapid bronze]

Until something unexpected happens, who knows?

[errant osprey]

Idk if it can get worse than cults and shamans 💀

[vapid bronze]

We'll just wait and see

[short laurel]

cults is just allegation against hybe by knetizens. it could get worse if these allegations are proved true.

[errant osprey]

I heard crazier stuff about etas lyrics

[short laurel]

it all crazy already.

[lofty compass]

It's over for MHJ

[dry atlas]

all the army coming out of the woodwork in twitter and reddit

[old cypress]

Okay court hearing went as expected. ADOR side bought themselves some more time. The fateful date is end of may now

[lofty compass]

If MHJ leave hybe and ador what gonna happen to nj?

[rain spade]

is not over for mhj right ? copium

[short laurel]

0.05% chance for mhj.

[upper solstice]

bang pd the type to scrap the current version of nj1

[mild mist]

Likely to stay under ADOR with a new creative director, with ADOR given much less freedom

[neon kelp]

no let's hope mhj doesn't leave newjeans
no matter how hybe tries to force her to leave

[neon kelp]

I read that cult article and it actually scared me

Idk why

[hoary frost]

Hardly

[lofty compass]

What gonna happen to nj?

Move to hybe

[vale grove]

God this issue makes me want to cry :/

[vale grove]

Uhg that's the worst possible outcome but it's probably what's gonna happen. Gonna prep myself for the worst.

[neon kelp]

what's with the cult thing anyway??

[white arch]

[short laurel]

this post is where cult begin if u are interest. it's just koreans making stuff out of no where xD

[gentle ridge]

Why r all the comments saying “newjeans” ?

[stone grotto]

The meeting they had was to vote mhj out right? And it’s getting postponed?

[old cypress]

ador refused to hold the meeting

so hybe went to the court and following today's hearing it's postponed to may

[stone grotto]

What’s going on with the criminal charges? Can’t stick because they can’t prove she did anything illegal?

[old cypress]

it'll probably take months before it reaches a verdict and it's not really relevant anyway

[neon kelp]

hybe just trying to find the dirt against mhj

but they can't really come up with anything since she didn't do anything

[old cypress]

they can still remove her from ador even if she didn't do anything

[stone grotto]

The postponement is probably strategic, they want to show the impact of their comeback before the decision is made to vote her out or not maybe

[old cypress]

no, the main problem in the whole thing is min heejin is asking for way too much money

she's asking for so much money that it's more profitable for hybe to just kick her out

[neon kelp]

but isn't that normal?

[stone grotto]

She’s asking for more salary?

[lofty compass]

Nah

She asking for owning ador

[old cypress]

she has a put option on 15% of her ADOR shares. It means that she holds the right to sell her shares to HYBE for a set price, and if she uses it HYBE is obligated to buy it. Currently the value is 2y average of ADOR operating profits x 13. And Min Heejin wants to increase it to x30

As we all know newjeans blew up and so ADOR's profits. It means that the value of the shares hybe will be forced to buy increases a lot

[stone grotto]

Hmm why increase it and not sell

[old cypress]

she can't sell them before x date

[stone grotto]

At this point I don’t even know what either side wants. I thought mhj just wanted to be left alone but now she wants more money. And does hybe think they can manage NJ better than she can

[hoary frost]

its not black and white situation

multiple factors can contribute to situation

[tawdry vessel]

no cause in south korea you cant fire an employee without a proper reason

[old cypress]

it's hard to know the full story because the details are confidential

[old cypress]

yeah but if she sues them it'll take years

[hoary frost]

her side is indeed arguing that it was negotiation tactic

https://x.com/cato_o_o/status/1785306626087412142?s=46&t=lncf7vo09FEx5ZDvXg81LA

Cato_o_o (@cato_o_o) on X

for a multiple of 30 was purely monetary, indicating her focus on financial gain. Conversely, Min Hee-jin contends that the high multiple was merely a negotiation tactic, aiming to leverage the deal in their favor.

Excerpt

The remaining 5% stake cannot be sold to a 2/

Twitter · Apr 30, 2024, 1:54 PM

[old cypress]

Makes sense. I believe they will reach a deal and everything goes back to normal. HYBE probably wants to checkmate her and strongarm her into accepting their conditions

But maybe i'm just coping as people here said lol

[hoary frost]

i get an idea whats going on

[waxen musk]

I'm trying to understand what the most potentially profitable situation is for Hybe and I don't quite know what it is at this point because my understanding of everything is getting hazier and hazier.

[old cypress]

Some lawyers said that assuming standard practice, HYBE gets to buy MHJ's shares for a bargain price if she gets fired. In that case, HYBE will gain a lot from firing her

[hoary frost]

getting rid of her is cheapest option. they can swallow ador and nj, ban mhj to work for multiple years and stuff

[stone grotto]

That’s why she wants to raise it to 30

[old cypress]

yeah but it's bad PR since everyone is siding with MHJ for now

[mild mist]

I don't see how it can go back. The relationship between min Heejin and hybe has been irreparably damaged

[old cypress]

PR

[opaque torrent]

1. Thats a negotiation tactic. In HYBE’s official statement, they never revealed any numbers - they just said she asked for too much it’s difficult for them to believe she’s negotiating in good faith. Hence, why they started investigating her to confirm if she wanted out altogether (and they kinda did).

2. The contract they’re currently renegotiating is after the overwhelming success of DITTO. The ball was in MHJs court and she accepted 13x… but it validates her story that she discovered the trap non-compute clause and lost trust in bang pd so she just wants to exit altogether. Originally she just wanted the clause to be revised to not be ambiguous. The demand for a higher amount came after HYBE saying they won’t change the wording unless she stays for two more years.

[hoary frost]

with what she said during the conference, if they're gonna strong arm her it might be better off for her just to get fired and just go on vacation... i'm scared of what they're gonna do to her

[opaque torrent]

The 30x increase could be mediaplay, just like everything else we’ve seen already like her stealing source trainees and leaking sensitive trainee info

We haven’t heard her side of the matter. If they were real numbers, they would’ve been in HYBE’s announcement

[old cypress]

The whole emergency meeting request could be a negotiation tactic as well

[old cypress]

No it's confidential for both sides so hybe can't reveal it either

There are leaks but who knows the truth. In any case the media seems to be accepting it as real

[opaque torrent]

Exactly so they can leak anything to the press true or not and not be held accountable

Personally I don’t form opinions unless they’re in official statements and both sides’ positions and claims have been relayed

[old cypress]

Sadly in life a lot of things are never fully confirmed

[opaque torrent]

Well we can kind of confirm that her alleged demand for “30x” only came after they wanted to add two more years to her contract. That makes a difference for me. They could just make the non compete clause clear and continue things as they are (at 13x) but they wanted to hold on to her longer. And there’s a deliberate attempt to gloss over this in the recent articles.

MHJ could’ve just said 30x and hoping HYBE would meet her at 20x too

[old cypress]

I agree but keep in mind that what are you saying come from unconfirmed sources as well

[opaque torrent]

Yes I’ve been very intentional with my word choice

[mild mist]

Everyone always does this

Standard negotiation tactic

[old cypress]

IMO it just shows that a deal can be reached if mhj is willing to compromise. As things stand, HYBE has the upper hand.

Unless mhj has a hidden weapon that increases her bargaining power

[opaque torrent]

Imo that means hybe is the one not willing to compromise

They replicated her formula with a new gg

They don’t need her anymore. Hence why she’s really pissed too

[old cypress]

No they still need newjeans, it's always more money for their company

Illit success is still nowhere near newjeans (for now)

The thing is even x20 is a massive amount of money. If the operating profits are 15M USD, it means that hybe will have to pay 60M dollars to MHJ when she exits (at 20x)

at 30x it would be 90M usd

that's 6 years of operating profits that go poof

newjeans will stay for 7 years only. You can easily see why HYBE thinks it's too much

(Once again we don't know the full details of their agreement)

[opaque torrent]

theyre trying to have newjeans w/o mhj and, alas, they legally can

[old cypress]

what's more MHJ said that she can earn 72M usd with her current put option. (at x13) So the numbers are much, much higher

In any case I don't think this matters, as others said it's just a negotiation tactic. The real issue is in the non-compete. Sadly HYBE will use the 30X claim to make MHJ look greedy

[short laurel]

also keep in mind NJ value will increase as time went on if everything was normal. i doubt it's Just about money. they way things went public it's seems waay too much. and there are cases where people get to sell shares at much higher than x30

[old cypress]

it's 1000% about money, at least for hybe

[short laurel]

they wouldn't go this hard. really think ego is involved here

[opaque torrent]

HYBE is really spiteful and cheap. They have no problem throwing a 16 year old girl to the wolves despite having the duty to protect her

Let me tell you some off the record stuff about what they did to Kim Garam. She had a letter and school documents written up to counter the bullying rumors during predebut. HYBE instead chose to debut her without resolving the issue and let the person who bullied her and her friends in middle school post all kinds of lies online and play the victim. Then HYBE put her on hiatus and let her and her family on for a few months, telling them that they were going to sue for defamation and set things right. Then one day they handed her a termination contract and sued her for breaching their contract for not promoting. A conglomerate suing a 16 year old girl from a normal family after letting her face abuse for months.

If you read their official notice about her termination it was just so cold and callous. They left room for people to keep speculating. And with any termination contract, she cannot talk about what happened and has a social media ban for a set amount of time.

I guess to the world it can be seen as HYBE did their best, but all they did was release press releases (lol just like they bragged about with NJ) while they blocked garams family, friends and garam herself from coming forward with actual proof and clear her own name and then dropped her when the controversy required them to use some pocket change to legally defend her

[short laurel]

wait wait wait. they sued her for breaching contract? what contract? didn't they terminate it themselves ?

[opaque torrent]

That’s how idol contracts are. It’s always in favor of the company.

[short laurel]

like WTF? pls don't tell me that garam family lost in court too ?

[neon kelp]

I knew that hybe did something wrong
saying that they will protect garam and they will sue anyone whoever is hating on her

[copper jetty]

Ok ok let's slow down a bit. We don't have proof of this.

[old cypress]

it's my first time hearing about hybe suing garam

[opaque torrent]

I don’t think I can say much more in case this leaks but I’m optimistic about her redebut should she choose to enter the industry again

[neon kelp]

but instead they give garam termination contract instead

[opaque torrent]

Yeah you’re not supposed to know about it lol

Just like we aren’t supposed to know about the non compete clause

[short laurel]

yea but where is the source of this leak ?

[neon kelp]

I started searching about garam and what happened with her since 2022

[rain spade]

No update on the court case? just the board meeting in may ?

[short laurel]

i've looked into garam case but no where i've seen hybe sueing her.

[short laurel]

yea. that's about it.

[opaque torrent]

Me I’m the source of this leak

[short laurel]

so u are just pulling it out of no where

[opaque torrent]

It’s not public info. You don’t have to believe me but that’s what happened

[neon kelp]

guys the thing is that they didn't do anything to the bully who leaked all these fake source against garam

[serene cloud]

So trust Me bro?

[neon kelp]

this is the reality of this hell world

[opaque torrent]

I mean I announced Garams contract termination days before it became public on Twitter so do with that as you will

[neon kelp]

u must have

[short laurel]

well the bully got to get away when she changed school while garam recieved punishment in school. and after whole thing blow up she got to go free. i m thinking that kid is from rich family.

[opaque torrent]

If garam redebuts, you can come back to this comment. Garam sued and won. She just hasn’t announced it yet.

[serene cloud]

[short laurel]

@rapid niche this guy making claims above. what do u think?

[opaque torrent]

Anyway we’re off topic now. But that’s how pathetic and cruel HYBE is behind the scenes

[neon kelp]

garam would have been rich and famous too
and could've sued the bully too
if she was still here in the le sserafim

[short laurel]

well ofc they are. it's not 1st or 2nd time they did something bad

[rain spade]

Thanku :)

[short laurel]

if... whole Garam thing makes me sad. poor girl still gets hated online and she's a minor. people hating on minor even today. makes me sooooo mad at hybe.

[opaque torrent]

You can check this with when HYBE announced it

[copper jetty]

Wait back to the topic, Ador going to convene their bod. What does that mean for NJ??

[neon kelp]

it's both bcs of hybe and the bully
if only hybe didn't let it happen
it's on everyone on how they want to manage things and who don't want to do anything at all

[short laurel]

so far nothing. this is about mhj and her staff vs hybe. nj gonna stay as they are but with management change if mhj losses

[copper jetty]

But their contract is with Ador right?? No chance of them getting disbanded right??

[short laurel]

bully must have her public image damaged too right. it's hybe who got away damage free. whole of hybe no damage.

[rain spade]

why can't hybe leave ador alone my gosh, so frustrating

[old cypress]

newjeans won't be disbanded

[short laurel]

i rather them disbanded than being under new management. the whole "counseling" thing makes me think of reeducation by hybe.

[copper jetty]

By re education you mean??

[short laurel]

manipulation.

i not remember which article it was written in but the way they said counseling feels very weird.

[opaque torrent]

It sounded like reprogramming

[twin cypress]

One thing that people have failed to mention is that hybe will probably try to turn hanni into a solo star while mhj for the most part has made it so that the member’s popularity is as equal as can be

[neon kelp]

there should be legal action against bullying
like srsly even on online they need to have the right to report them at that point
and u were that kid was rich so they used their family's influence

[opaque torrent]

Basically telling them, we know you experienced it for yourself and you are closest to the situation but it’s all wrong. You were manipulated. We’re actually the good guys.

https://tenor.com/view/hitman-bang-gif-hitman-bang-bighit-gif-18439060

[short laurel]

korean gp scream about it alot. they take bulling very seriously but laws are made by rich unfortunately.

[old cypress]

damn he used to look thinner

[neon kelp]

they should come into my country lol
there is a strict policy here that no bully is here allowed unlike south korea

[old cypress]

that's one thing in common with ifans, they also say newjeans are being manipulated by mhj lol

[short laurel]

in my country. while we not have strict laws. the way school system works and they way culture is. no bully can survive. atleast physical bully. we just have cheap verbal bulling here.

[short laurel]

ifans are just against mhj with zero proof.

[neon kelp]

I swear south korea schools are the worst
it's like they don't think twice before making a decision

[opaque torrent]

It’s disturbing when stans gaslight the artists. Like it’s not up to you to decide what’s best for them and that YOU know what’s best. If it’s up to stans newjeans would have no breaks and promote everyday

And do world tours their entire contract

[short laurel]

idols are pretty machines to them.

[neon kelp]

I just read that hybe just used garam for her fame

[opaque torrent]

Im sure they recognize MHJ is not a flawless person and have been evaluating their situation too

[neon kelp]

who hybe lol?

[short laurel]

nobody is flawless.

[neon kelp]

hybe will recognize??

[short laurel]

i swear to god if hybe gets to get away with everything. i really hope GP put pressure on hybe and atleast get that bang punished somehow.

[neon kelp]

yea me too fat bang pd needs to get punished

https://tenor.com/view/btgfs-gif-23550959

look at this fool lol

[ruby garden]

he got so lucky with BTS. They built his fortune and that company and now he acts like he's going to be the savior of kpop

[white arch]

Actually, im the creator of BTS. He just stole my id.

[opaque torrent]

Not to mention, their breakthrough aesthetic era, he stole from a woman and never gave her credit nor compensated her

[sterile umbra]

why the hell is the issue that's circulating right now is that NJ will be having the last comeback after bubblegum was released

[short laurel]

last CB with MHJ

[sterile umbra]

oh, i see

then, is it real?

[ruby garden]

we don't know but it's looking like it

[opaque torrent]

It’s looking that way but nothings set in stone yet

[copper jetty]

So basically the last cb with mhj is supernatural am I right?

If things fall through

[opaque torrent]

But yeah manage your expectations by defaulting them to “evil rich men get their way” if you don’t have to suffer as much

[ruby garden]

evil rich men always get their way unfortunately

[copper jetty]

I'm going to expect the worst case scenario but I'm gonna cling to the shaman until the end.

[opaque torrent]

Bang pd has a whole cult behind him 🫠

[short laurel]

it may sound i m being cruel to other hybe artists. but i seriously wish people could come together and mass boycott anything hybe. that's the only way he'd be affected. though no hope with the way ifans are.

[opaque torrent]

lol no way they love collecting 500 random photocards and setting them on fire

[copper jetty]

You better expect that your expectations will fail.

[short laurel]

that's why i said i wish

[copper jetty]

The way people buy albums just to get photocards.

[short laurel]

if we consider how ifans are acting. it's not too far to say that hybe has formed a cult of ifans...

[ruby garden]

hybe uses BTS for their political war and it mobilizes army

[short laurel]

they are literally called army...

[copper jetty]

It's always been their way.

Even before Hybe and they were only bighit

[sterile umbra]

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZSFT7A7bd/

[harsh dove]

@pouchwonki

[ruby garden]

notice how bts member album release coincides with nj release date. they want army to fight with bunnies

it's all calculated

[copper jetty]

Well, most army take an attack on hybe as an attack to bts.

[sterile umbra]

kpop industry is so scary

[ruby garden]

it's mostly intl armys. i've seen a lot of karmys be critical of hybe and bsh

[copper jetty]

And that is why I will only stan NJ. This is gonna be my first and last group. It's embarrassing to be a kpop fan with the way most of it is acting rn.

[copper jetty]

I think it's because of mistranslations and language barrier

Which hybe does take advantage of.

[short laurel]

no. even when u give them properly translated source. they'll brush it off and bully them to remove it.

[hoary frost]

that's exactly why i like newjeans.. they're one of the least superficial groups

[opaque torrent]

IARMYs have designated themselves as HYBE PR/propagandists

[ruby garden]

they think only BTS is deserving of any success and that any opportunities given to a hybe group is taking opportunities away from BTS

[short laurel]

and scale of this propagandist is not small. it's way too huge

[acoustic valve]

I don't think a boycott will ever happen... but I do think Hybe doomed themselves. Selling music is fundamentally different from selling shoes or other tangible goods. You can't treat them the same way... People already don't take kpop seriously, people are definitely not going to after this if the full story spreads around

[opaque torrent]

What’s funny is they whine and cry about HYBE mistreating BTS all the time but it’s difficult for them to fathom a female employee and her group being undermined and exploited as well

[short laurel]

ik. that's why i said i wish.

[short laurel]

and bts main money makers are ifan. so atleast that won't be affected...

[acoustic valve]

it will happen eventually, people will eventually recognize the soulless music-by-committee deluge of music coming out of hybe is of no value and stop buying into it. The same way Marvel's movies are dying, won't be overnight, but when you create art this way there'll be a saturation point.

[short laurel]

yea but that way only bangs business will die. he would still have alot of money to live comfortably. i want him to suffer.

[old cypress]

kpop's main business is selling parasocial relationships, the music is secondary

[acoustic valve]

unite the koreas and send bang to the gulags

[short laurel]

gulags ?

[hoary frost]

its sad cause that's what MHJ wanted to change in this industry. She wanted a "music first" approach.

[copper jetty]

Long time coming though, but I do think that it will come. Especially with the with their other younger groups like le serra

What was that song that was like Tyla's Water??

[opaque torrent]

Smarter

[old cypress]

yeah mhj wanted make kpop less cringe

[copper jetty]

Yeah. That was cringe for me. Idk.

[opaque torrent]

Antifragile had a plagiarism controversy too

[short laurel]

current kpop is really doomed. when i used to watch mushows last year. soo many songs jsut not so good. and they winning. like they were not even decent. but they getting soo much support.

[ruby garden]

antifragile: rosalia
smart: tyla

[short laurel]

lsf fandom name had controversy too right xD

like fearless is used by someother fandom

[copper jetty]

Hybe I guess chases western trends, it's not bad but I don't think that the west would bow down to them taste wise.

[ruby garden]

i don't know about that but i know ikon fans are mad about the american hybe group's fandom name

[short laurel]

whats the name ?

[ruby garden]

i think it's eyecons

[copper jetty]

Fandom name?

[short laurel]

ok hybe really crossing lines everywhere

[copper jetty]

Which group? Wait, I read this is this katseye?

[acoustic valve]

yeah the way kpop took a look at Water, and tried to make their own copy in under 6 months is just.... ugh. It would be less painful if it wasn't so blatant.

[ruby garden]

yeah the group is katseye and their fandome name is eyekons

[short laurel]

eyecons is a sports platform

eyekons is a thing too.

somethign religious

[vale grove]

I believe this, it was such a big deal she was on hiatus I'm sure it was leaked to u before it was announced to the public/gen.

[short laurel]

katseye is a thing too. dam

[acoustic valve]

I remember bang saying he wanted to create a "billie eilish" group.. whered that come from again? But yeah, that just shows how he has zero respect for the art and only sees it as a vapid and replaceable product to sell...

[ruby garden]

well this gives more credibility to BSH being in a cult

[short laurel]

it's christian religious market thing. so no

[acoustic valve]

i think its pretty much confirmed bsh is in a cult already, it's just a matter of how much he's tied hybe into it as well

[copper jetty]

A "billie eilish" group?

[ruby garden]

lol they really don't do any research for their fandom names

[vale grove]

I'm assuming sound and aesthetic wise

[acoustic valve]

yeah, like concept wise, cause billie eilish was popping a few years ago

[ruby garden]

he needs to be removed

[acoustic valve]

the same way he saw Water by Tyla and said "let's make that, but kpop"

[ruby garden]

hybe = copy machine

[copper jetty]

Well, I would've loved a NJ billie eilish though ngl. Hanni's and hyein's style seem to fit those.

But with their own take in it

[short laurel]

he wants everythign he sees as popular into kpop but american. he wants to make american kpop

[copper jetty]

And not just a cheap copy pasta like that tyla song

[vale grove]

I feel like that's why kpop is deteriorating and why NewJeans was able to combat that, they aren't copying anyone. It's originality executed in a unique way.

[vale grove]

Well this is due to the globalization of kpop, jyp is doing it, sm allegedly recruited a black trainee for a global group and I'm sure other companies are as well. It's because they want to cater to international fans

[old cypress]

it's because they have to expand. Capitalism bro

[acoustic valve]

it's not like NJ doesn't draw inspiration either, they just don't do it with the most obvious trends happening right now. Which actually makes a world of difference...

[lofty compass]

' Can you beat aespa '

[short laurel]

no. even be4 all that. i found hybe's music more american like. unlike other groups.

[vale grove]

True, can't disagree there

[vale grove]

Oh yes for sure, it's all about how you take inspiration and execute it

[old cypress]

In any case hybe songs have been charting well so can't say the public dislikes them. Unlike JYP songs for example

[copper jetty]

And the execution is what matters though, Hybe's execution is subpar.

[short laurel]

half thx to army. i m sorry to say this if anyone finds offense in this but that played a big role.

[vale grove]

Jyp is the worst offender of blatantly stealing things and being like "just change it so the teacher doesn't notice" LOLLLL a bit off topic but this convo reminded me of that

[acoustic valve]

hate to say it, but learning from this fiasco, about how competitive bsh is, and how unscrupulous his methods. Who knows how much of any of this is genuine or just manufactured hype

[old cypress]

nah armies don't control the melon and youtube music charts

[acoustic valve]

like he texts about "stepping on" aespa like he's some toxic kpop fan on twitter, shameful

[short laurel]

their big name does help spread the word out. bts is biggest in kpop. and people check songs out when they hear about it.

[vale grove]

To be fair that's whole point of the fanwars, to divide fans and make them choose one group or the other

[old cypress]

sure but they do like the songs enough to listen to them again and again which means that the songs are good enough

[vale grove]

Money makes the world go round, this industry is pretty much like any other in terms of money hungry people who don't care what they can do to beat the more popular product

[short laurel]

there are many less popular songs who if published through hyeb would be that hit. we alreayd c bunch of trash music getting high in melon

[acoustic valve]

I always saw the fanwars as an unnecessary unfortunate side-product of Kpop leaning into parasocial relationships, but after knowing how the most powerful man in kpop behaves... it's possibly very much intended and specifically engineered, I'd say it's more likely than not atp

which is sad to say the least

[old cypress]

well there's the aspect of "if you don't buy enough albums, that fandom will make fun of your oppars"

[vale grove]

Kpop companies profit off of this behavior, if they can get fans to be overly aggressive and willing to fight or spend lots of money for their idols they in turn get that money. Although it's ugly one thing that I can say about kpop companies is that they are very calculated and smart when coming to getting fandom power

[short laurel]

especially a certain fandom. they comment like "i feel like cheating on jk if i lsiten to other groups" saw this exact sentence on youtube comment 2 year ago.

[vale grove]

In Korea the fandom wars are worse, it's considered weird if you stan more than one group 😭

[copper jetty]

Since when is listening to music cheating? What is this??

[short laurel]

well in korea. those who like kpop aren't taken seriously anyways

[acoustic valve]

it's short-sighted, long-term this will be a detriment to the industry and all kpop artists. But I guess I should stop being surprised at corporations trading short-term profit over sustainability

[vale grove]

I mean are any of us ever taken seriously tbh 😭

[short laurel]

internationally yes. the shear size of what propaganda ifans are able to spread is very serious issue that needs serious attention.

[acoustic valve]

we already see this happening now, can't get a single kpop group to promote in the west without a larger fandom of every other group coming in to attack and smear them

[acoustic valve]

its weird in korea because being a fan of idols itself still isnt taken seriously, but the music is undoubtedly popular, the most popular it's ever been even

[short laurel]

if they are judging as purely music then that's fine.

internationally kpop music is being judged less by music and more by visuals.

if music good people will like it but we c trash getting popular. i won't say which songs

[serene cloud]

https://vxtwitter.com/newjeansnews_/status/1785352841902915661?t=xcltpTAccIyunl5FHc6EnA&s=19

What this about

[acoustic valve]

hybe mediaplay to make mhj look greedy by quoting her 30x offer. When any actual professional and industry insider knows it's standard negotiating tactic and she didn't actually expect the 30x. But jobless fans and netizens will eat it up as usual

[outer bone]

So either way mhj gets the boot?

[acoustic valve]

probably, but u never know. also, tmikpop is a bad source, always intentionally translates or presents articles to be pro-bts/hybe.

[short laurel]

pls don't give any attention to tmikpop. that account needs to be gone

[outer bone]

Ik but wasn’t an article tho this was just a post explaining the difference between EGM and BOD meetings

[old cypress]

yeah figured hybe would talk about the 30x and paint mhj as a greedy person

and leave out the circumstances that made her ask for the 30x

[acoustic valve]

nj news venting... cuz mhj likely gone

[outer bone]

Since Mhj has 18% and hybe has 80% and egm are only for those with 3% shares so the meeting would be hybe and mhj right they’re basically pushing her in a corner forcing her to resign bc they hold majority shares

[old cypress]

they will fire mhj unless they reach a deal before

[outer bone]

Oh god

Board members too??? I thought it was only mhj wtf

[copper jetty]

Remove shin and Kim?

[acoustic valve]

we been knew that since the start

[outer bone]

but board members too?

[copper jetty]

Who is kim?

[shy schooner]

Hybe wants full control

[copper jetty]

Hybe wants that money

[acoustic valve]

as to the rest of ador staff... I have my doubts, most of them likely won't stay tbh

[acoustic valve]

yes, the other board members are firmly pro-MHJ, there was no scenario where she leaves and they stay

[copper jetty]

Staff too I suppose

[opaque torrent]

MHJ said this in her press conference. Idk if it was rumored predebut

[short laurel]

management will change. isn't that confirmed too ?

[copper jetty]

I guess we get ready to get watered down quality of music.

And visuals. If ever they get any.

[short laurel]

i wouldn't say it'll be watered down. it will be different though

[copper jetty]

I still think they'll get the fromis_9 treatment

[acoustic valve]

technically management of a company of ador's size just means the board... but I imagine most of the creatives will want to leave too if they find similar offers outside

[copper jetty]

By different you mean watered down.

[short laurel]

fromis treatment. i guess that's better hybe will basically ignore them so they won't harm them?

[old cypress]

iirc ADOR has 30 employees so the management is probably just the executives on the board

[short laurel]

dam

[copper jetty]

I hope they retain their creatives.

[short laurel]

rip original nj it's going to be waterdown nj era after japanese cb

[orchid field]

dont believe tmikpop
https://twitter.com/omgakgae/status/1784953748067893567

#1 Ditto Akgae (@omgakgae) on X

This acct managed to rebrand themselves into a trustworthy translation account

Twitter · Apr 29, 2024, 2:31 PM

[outer bone]

I don’t understand what was the point of Hybe calling a board meeting if they can’t win anything in there??

[copper jetty]

To force ador to have that meeting? Ig

Idk at this point.

[twin cypress]

https://x.com/koreaboo/status/1785250253081612387?s=46&t=hOVGXwY_fNI2l2NfO-DQkg

Koreaboo (@Koreaboo) on X

Korean Media Reports On The Huge Difference In Investments From HYBE Into ILLIT And NewJeans
https://t.co/P8j4YArT83

Twitter · Apr 30, 2024, 10:10 AM

[copper jetty]

Ripjeans

[twin cypress]

Sheesh 11.7m vs 109m

[outer bone]

Ik that but it wasn’t a article it was just an explanation ab the diff between board meetings and egms I just assumed the mhj getting kicked part

[copper jetty]

Idk they were saying it's for cjn?

What does cjn have to do with illit?

[orchid field]

yes but still they have spread a lot of missinformation in this drama alone let alone translate in a biased maner in previous dramas in favor of hybe

[hoary frost]

don't believe this article too blindly, the 109m is used mostly for buying belift labs from CJ entertainment. I don't doubt they used more money creating illit though, with so much youtube views bought by ads

we need to try and stay as neutral as possible atp

[old cypress]

lol there's no way any company would spend 100M to debut a group

[upper solstice]

do yall think bsh scraps the current progress of nj1 outta pettiness

#ReleaseTheMHJCut

[orchid field]

we will find out over time

[copper jetty]

https://x.com/omgakgae/status/1785306599973650597?t=hH40C553hEtnDYZ-CJlAbA&s=33

#1 Ditto Akgae (@omgakgae) on X

Saying #she dressed as a broke employee to gain sympathy is crazy like I'm sorry to disappoint u but mhj simply don't know how to dress😭

Twitter · Apr 30, 2024, 1:53 PM

That's always been how she dresses lol. What was that awards show that she went with the jeanies?? Girly was wearing jeans, shirt and cap. 💀

[short laurel]

what's even wrong with her clothes? that's just looks like normal clothes to me.

since when that style become "broke employee" clothes

[copper jetty]

I don't even know. That's my everyday clothes minus the cap.

Wait maybe they're onto something cause I'm broke.

[short laurel]

https://x.com/newjeansnews_/status/1785298110987800943

NEWJEANS NEWS🇰🇷 (@newjeansnews_) on X

[theqoo - hot] Netizens look at the statistics of each HYBE Label's Performance & Growth Records
https://t.co/kPDYBzSPIY

Twitter · Apr 30, 2024, 1:20 PM

[short laurel]

point is she's wearing comfortable everyday clothes. aren't no way they are expected her to dress prettyly after all that media play and hate she was getting.

[hoary frost]

creative director Yemin Kim

mhj gave her shares, probably like 0. something

[copper jetty]

Ohhhh... then we're doomed.

[short laurel]

look at 2nd pic in this post.

[copper jetty]

That 2nd pic makes me question Hybe's decision. They must have something though to want MHJ out that much. What it is, we don't know.

[old cypress]

the 2nd pic is a bit misleading but still good if you compare ador to soumu

[copper jetty]

The bighit though I'm questioning. Why is it low??

[old cypress]

sales growth rate, it's hard to grow 5x when you're already big

ador started from little so growing 5x makes more sense

[short laurel]

• remember most of bts members are in military.

they gonna c a nice jump after some return this year. and when all 7 together next year another big jump

[acoustic valve]

the cult theory was fun when army started fighting each other, apparently V had to go to mhj for his album because he was also anti-cult and noone else was willing to work on his album with him

[opaque torrent]

I choose to believe. Taehyung is my bias too

[old cypress]

V album is really good

[copper jetty]

Lol. The key takeaway from the cult theory was to always bring with you a dani selca PC to ward evil.

[copper jetty]

Yeah his album was too good. I was almost tempted to get it but no.

[outer bone]

And why would mhj refuse to do it if she’s more likely to win like it makes no sense

[copper jetty]

They're already going to convene the bod on May 10.

[serene cloud]

so are they giving up?

bc i read that the courts would take several weeks to make them convene

and what if jeon wick is gone

[copper jetty]

They already held the court meeting a while ago May 30 4:30 pm kst

[serene cloud]

so the decision was made in one afternoon? i thought it would take longer than that

people were talking about weeks

[copper jetty]

See pinned on NJ chat. It's there.

Ig hybe expedited it.

[echo scaffold]

is cult issue main topic on english coumminity too

[copper jetty]

I don't think anyone believes Hybe's cult issue on English forums.

[echo scaffold]

oo

[short laurel]

today was court meeting to force ador to genral board meeting. that will take 3 weeks. on 10th will be bod within ador. and on 13 more info will be release. by 3 weeks we'll have nj album released. so she's buying time until then is my guess.

[short laurel]

i meant to reply to you. oops.

[echo scaffold]

i think it is weird that only this one video doesnt have sound
https://youtu.be/b4ejQIAXOoo?si=egcBDJNS--roz2Tk

quite scary

[short laurel]

no. hybe owns 80% share. she got 0 chance to win. even if she's in the right.

[echo scaffold]

the boards are her people right now, so she can refuse this one

[nimble stream]

creepy

[short laurel]

she can refuse bod. problem is general board meeting that's gooing to happen in 3 weeks according to court.

[echo scaffold]

but hybe just have to go through legal proceed

[copper jetty]

The board meaning the other that comprise the 20%? Yeah no. Against Hybe 80%, no.

[nimble stream]

[copper jetty]

We're doomed.

[echo scaffold]

rumor is that tjey are forced to keep silence on christmas because hybe's reliance on cult

[short laurel]

does hybe not celebrate chirstmas ?

[echo scaffold]

yeah

but its can not be just because of cult,

[short laurel]

has bighit nvr celebrated christmas ?

[hoary frost]

hybe had a christmas tree in their building last year

[acoustic valve]

I mean, its pretty much accepted on Knetz that Hybe does indeed have connections with the cult no? It's not uncommon in Korea. It's just a matter of how deep...?

[echo scaffold]

in consideration of other religions them and some of other companies prefer to say it holiday

[short laurel]

hmm

[copper jetty]

I'm dreading the general board meeting. Is there no other way???

[echo scaffold]

someone artists has said that they were told to not say christmas but it might be just because of this

[short laurel]

considering international has zero knowledge about issues in korea. they will look at cult issue as joke. there are legit people who criticizes sk for having compulsory military. these people has zero idea why things are the way they are.

[copper jetty]

Frankly speaking, I treat it as a joke too. Like idk any cult aside from those related to religions

[short laurel]

hopes and prayers

[acoustic valve]

correct me if im wrong, but don't cults have their hands in almost everything in KR, like the yakuza in Japan or smth. It's not weird to find some connections between cults and big companies, it's only a really big issue when it's connected all the way to the top and the cult starts influencing the companies operations across the board (such as placing cult recruitment easter eggs in the MVs lol)

[echo scaffold]

many many people are flabbergasted of it, and also many many people thinks they are crazy

but i believe those who just think people are just crazy havent even tried to look at it

[short laurel]

in reality they too are overly influenced by religions or cults. like majority of the world is. people are just ignorant.

[echo scaffold]

yeah

[acoustic valve]

ohhh, interesting

[copper jetty]

I'm still praying that MHJ pulls a miracle somewhere or Hybe backs down and that this is all promotions..

[short laurel]

best bet is bang somehow loss his chairman position be4 the board meeting

let me cop

[echo scaffold]

yeah... im feeling that too, just like what happend in japan recently, quite big number of their politicians turned out to be related to some religion group

[short laurel]

seriously if mhj wins that will be huge in korea and it might bring about necessary change in kpop industry.

[echo scaffold]

this shit is sooo scary for me, why would it be this video that doesnt have sound

[copper jetty]

Idk, unless some dirt somewhere about him gets unearthed with hard evidence that can't be denied.

[short laurel]

look at other parts of the world. i m only gonna hint at it but we literally c politics with religion with everything everywhere.

[echo scaffold]

have u guys heard of what mhj said about hyein?

[copper jetty]

No??

[echo scaffold]

on conference, she said hyein told her mother and mhj that shes going on a phoning call

[short laurel]

lets all take loans to buy tickets to korea and dig something out to get him in trouble

[echo scaffold]

and her mother and mhj stopepd her in difficulty

[echo scaffold]

people believe that she was going to expose about the cult thing on a phoning call

[acoustic valve]

I'm sure the girls feel like speaking their minds... but the risk-to-reward ratio is extremely high, don't see how it's worth it unless they absolutely don't want to work with hybe by themselves at any cost

[copper jetty]

It's better for them to lie low in this

[echo scaffold]

this religion group is really really huge and a powerul one

[acoustic valve]

Hmmm, I can certainly see how it's all plausible... I honestly just wish all of them can leave, isn't that what BTS fans want to?

[echo scaffold]

thrre is commission called communication standard commission

their work is to deliberate the contents

[short laurel]

it's funny that everyone except hybe wants nj to leave. reasons may vary but atleast everyone united in that part xD

[acoustic valve]

eitherways... I hope everything in Hybe gets revealed, whether that be cults or BSH being an insane sociopath behind the scenes

[echo scaffold]

and the chairman of the commision is guy named 류희림

[short laurel]

is that guy bang's mentor ?

[echo scaffold]

his wife is principal of the school that the cult group founded

also a-vice chair man of the https://www.ibrea.org/?lang=en this organization

[echo scaffold]

this organization's chair man is founder of the cult

[acoustic valve]

hmmm, i can certainly see why even some Jnetz are taking it seriously, they have good reason to be wary of Korean cults

[echo scaffold]

and the most scary part is, he was appointed by president

[copper jetty]

This hyein phoning, did MHJ tell it on her press conference?

[echo scaffold]

yes

let me find what minute

[acoustic valve]

yeah, she didn't say why, but the normal assumption is that she wanted to clear things up about all the mediaplay against MHJ

[copper jetty]

Yeah but she didn't say exactly why though. It's not safe to jump to conclusions that it's about the cult thing.

[echo scaffold]

yeah but people thought its weird under the circumstances

like what would she say on phoning call?

[acoustic valve]

dont think people are jumping to conclusions, not here at least, just saying that's what some people suspect, and it's still a possibility...

well, hopefully even if it's all true. They can't act as brazenly right now, lots of eyes on them... public scrutiny is a great defense to protect the girls...

[copper jetty]

Sorry my bad. It's plausible, but bizarre ig.

[acoustic valve]

yeah, I wouldn't assume it's true either right now... but it's definitely deserving of extra scrutiny. All about managing probabilities and risks...

[hoary frost]

https://m.dcinside.com/board/newjeans/587163?page=2

came across this post. thought it was well written

[echo scaffold]

https://www.youtube.com/live/XWIcqTNriY4?si=NeN-twtC94gfyybP

[echo scaffold]

1:39:00

[hoary frost]

I think Hyein wanted to clear up Stop Copying thing.

[echo scaffold]

to sum up, there is powerful administration org that the chairman of it is appointed by president, but the one appointed by president is one of the cult group person, and hes the most powerful single person on the press,media

[hoary frost]

the girls do not like when people misunderstand their actions or words. thats why several times they came on phoning to explain the things that were maliciously taken out of context and used against them

[echo scaffold]

and the president of this country is ultimately related to the cult group too

this all sound crazy but is all just fact and 0 rumors

[acoustic valve]

I agree with everything in the post. From another angle; I initially fell in love with NJ because of the fresh concept and artistry, non-existent from what I've seen in Kpop previously. As time went on that inevitably meant me loving NJ for the members themselves as well, so I will support them with or without MHJ.

But the thing is, emotion can't be forced, it's something that mostly happens outside of conscious thought. MHJ is inarguably a core part of the current NJ, what happens to NJ when it loses that core? I will still want to enjoy and support the girls going forward. But there's a real worry that if the core is lost, that those genuine feelings will also be lost for many...

[echo scaffold]

i believe they dream of bigger stage and have ambitions

but they cant reach it without her

only in collaboration of her and members, it is possible

blackpink had teddy, bts had bang si hyuk

[hoary frost]

they will essentially never be bsh's group. thats reality

[echo scaffold]

and i want to ask all the person who thinks it is okay to continue without her, do you think they will still want to dance and sing when they are left alone in hybe?

[hoary frost]

they have contracts

[echo scaffold]

exactly

thats the saddest part

they will have to stay, their opinion doesnt matter

[acoustic valve]

i think hybe will suck the joy out of it from them, and that is arguably the single most important aspect for NJ for me...

[hoary frost]

society and life is just cruel to everyone ig. newjeans motto was to have fun and enjoy this journey together and eventually grow together and ador ensured that they would be treated well. no agency gives the amount of vacations newjeans has. some idols dont even see parents for 3-5 years

[serene cloud]

someone on twitter said get ready for 6 music shows per week, no vacations, and afrobeats

[hoary frost]

they are not machines. they are young and ador knew that because they are young, their schedule needs to be balanced and their well being needs to be prioritized

[opaque torrent]

BTS didn’t even get a real break from debut until the pandemic

[hoary frost]

idol life is hard that's why so many of them suffer from depression, anxiety and other mental issues. i think providing support system that has best interest for young idols just ensures that they will have smooth road in this kind of environment

[hoary frost]

niki saw his family like 2 years after debut too or something

its so common 😦

[tiny peak]

yeah it's crazy how the overwork and disregard for well-being is normalized because groups are "rookies"

[short laurel]

Idol life is horribly hard cuz industry made it hard. But mhj with ador proved it can be properly balanced n not be too hard on young idols.

[acoustic valve]

MHJ values sincerity and authenticity above all. So she saw nurturing the girls' love for their role as idols and performers as paramount. Hybe values tangible profit and growth. The approaches are worlds apart... it's obvious how artists would develop differently under these two different worldviews...

[hoary frost]

this lol. reddit was calling newjeans spoiled and saying they had it too easy. why do idols have to suffer? genuinely asking, is it requirement?

people in kpop glamorize suffering a bit too much

[copper jetty]

Yeah that too but I think they romanticize hard work. Like not everyone has to work hard, you only need to work smart.

[hoary frost]

because someone gets good amount of sleep time and is given vacation, it doesnt mean they do not work hard. having good mental and physical health is important to be productive at work.

[short laurel]

Real smart workers work less n earn more n always stay nehind the scene. Public don't even know whi they are. This world got alot of billionaires that only governments know of n has zero info in public.

[acoustic valve]

the thing is, I think NJ's approach does lead to more success. Because that is not only the humane approach, it's also the sustainable approach. Overworking and beating the passion out of idols will inevitably lead a decrease in the quality and potential of the work they put out... that is if you saw art as something more than just another product coming out of a factory line

[hoary frost]

newjeans works just as hard and for that hard work, they are given the best treatment

[hoary frost]

agreed

[short laurel]

I guess That is why alot of groups initial releases are good but songs quality drop few years later.

[hoary frost]

kpop agencies work with mentality that idol life is short and group should be milked dry while they are still popular

[acoustic valve]

i don't even think it's about how much work they put out when these people say "work hard", what they really mean is "force yourself even when you don't want to".... which is just sad to say the least. Passionate people work the hardest out of everyone, but it's never forced. That should be the goal, not making idols work until they no longer feel the passion

[short laurel]

Hard work is wrong word i feel like. People with passion works properly. Then there's hard working people who just work wrongly. Like dancers killing their bodies to improve not cus of excessive dancing but lack of knowledge of how to relax body after each session. Mhj has perfect balance n knowledge of how to do it. Others don't.

There are idols whose bodies are broken now.. 😭

Some whose singing voice worse than be4

Ofc some companies over excerpt then too n end up ruining them

[hoary frost]

when i think about the amount of things that will change, i just feel sad

i would not care if the change was for better but i know thats not the case.

i know how hybe formula works and its exhausting.

[short laurel]

Mv's will no longer look natural cuz they won't be

[acoustic valve]

I feel MHJ understands that work quality is always more important than quantity in a field like arts. Quality can only come when the work is genuinely enjoyed on a personal level from the labor itself, you can't force yourself to enjoy something. So it becomes a matter of managing as much output as possible whilst retaining that enjoyment and passion, this could mean just showing the girls genuine appreciation in between schedules, or giving the girls a week to go on holiday with their family to destress instead of pushing them through another week of regular schedules.

[hoary frost]

danielle was so happy when she went to vacay in vietnam

she was also so thankful to mhj for giving her opportunity to see the world and enjoy life 🫠

[short laurel]

Now i m scared hybe over working them might deteriorate their health mentally or physically.

[hoary frost]

i hope they are treated well. im sure they also feel scared by the changes this situation might bring

[acoustic valve]

Or even their little personal tour through Tokyo last year, where they went to art galleries and saw sights together, was that work? was that leisure? Probably a bit of both, what's important was that it felt like something natural that was fulfilling to them, instead of feeling like they were nothing but another cog in the idol factory line.

[upper solstice]

[acoustic valve]

maybe bsh will suffer a stroke or smth, who knows, stranger things have happened

[mild mist]

he'll be visited by three ghosts during the night

[twin cypress]

Did something happen or are yall just dooming?

[shy schooner]

Golden disk awards

[hoary frost]

dooming and coping

[old cypress]

and yapping

[short laurel]

Coping is all we are left with

[unkempt roost]

Can MHJ and Bang PD just hug it out and make peace

[vapid bronze]

They whine and fuss too much

[acoustic valve]

one side wants to fire and remove the other side, what does both sides and peace even mean in this circumstance? Isn't that just MHJ gettig what she wants?

[unkempt roost]

Just let MHJ stay, let Illit get a more distinct concept, forgive and forget

Btw idk if u guys saw, but the person who wrote the dahn world article on allkpop is getting fired lol https://twitter.com/cokodive/status/1784788685785014330

cokodive (@cokodive) on X

COKODIVE Official Statement

To our valued customers and followers,

We wish to address a recent situation involving one of our employees who has been with COKODIVE for approximately six months. This individual was previously employed by a media outlet within the same industry…

Twitter · Apr 29, 2024, 3:35 AM

[serene cloud]

yeah armys were celebrating that

[acoustic valve]

yeah this ain't gonna help the cult allegations... the more you push back the stronger the suspicions grow

especially when this is coming from another large company...

[hoary frost]

seems like armys got them lol

[marble cape]

any new info? or just same shit going around?

[hoary frost]

nothing new. hybe trying to get mhj fired within two months.

and a lot of debate about stocks ay

[short laurel]

Someone in replies mentioned that mhj supportors have compression of 10 year old while putting the contract detail argument. It's funny cuz the contract she read is different from what we read. 💀

[old cypress]

lol pannchoa is back

[serene cloud]

missed out on a lot of money

[simple knot]

mhj supporters = basically all of korea

[simple knot]

yea cuz mhj is the one who's keeping them sane and also is giving them proper training so they can sing well

[fervent yacht]

min heejin is that you?

[cosmic dagger]

THE SAME FIT

[fervent yacht]

ikr...coincidence or no?

[tawdry vessel]

it's part of the lore

[fervent yacht]

and it was probably made before the press conference

[tawdry vessel]

mhj does know how to dress, she's just at a point of her life where she doesn't give a shit anymore
https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1002847081578377236.gif?size=48

[grim shell]

Hybe invested $109M USD into ILLIT's debut meanwhile only $11.7M went to NewJeans

[fervent yacht]

hybe logic

[rain spade]

i can't imagine nj with a different concept

[shy schooner]

Will be the beginning

[fervent yacht]

neither can i. they have such a distinct style and vibe even throughout different comebacks. I think it would feel really unnatural especially given the impact that their distinct style has had on kpop and music in general. not to mention, they would definitely lose popularity because of it.

[shy schooner]

Full album songs better be not scrapped

[fervent yacht]

fr

[dry atlas]

it wont

it'll just be bang hitmanized

[dry atlas]

guys

regardless if whether or not mhj is found guilty of breach of trust, she can be removed via the shareholders meeting?

[upper solstice]

yea

[valid sierra]

ador is a private company so yeah they can do that. but it will be decided by hybe shareholders, not just bang pd himself

[dry atlas]

so only hope is shareholders see her value in hybe and they vote no

[lucid yarrow]

do they gag or nda her after she is fire?

[dry atlas]

what's the split of hybe shareholders again

there was an image

[upper solstice]

https://hybecorp.com/eng/ir/structure/director

https://hybecorp.com/eng/ir/structure/stock

[urban orbit]

This is wild that the new MV teaser that came out and what she’s wearing is just as exact!

[dry atlas]

so wild

[dry atlas]

thanks neet

[tawdry vessel]

if she isn't guilty, they cant fire her

[serene cloud]

We will see how that plays out

[lofty compass]

Same

Mhj is very creative

[half knot]

in order to stay neutral, one also has to consider a significant portion of that was for weverse company to make the backend and the client for the phoning app, which they later used for their weverse dm functionality

it's still a massive difference in overall investments into ador vs belift lab

and you can actually look up the exact numbers in their last business report if you're bored enough, as well as look back on the previous business reports from 2023 and 2022 to see when ador got the investment https://dart.fss.or.kr/dsaf001/main.do?rcpNo=20240322001002

[tiny peak]

i think ADOR is really creative (e.g. partnerships with other companies) and strategic about where to spend their resources, everything feels like there's a bigger budget than there actually is

[lofty compass]

I feel like hybe gonna ruin nj they gonna give them different concept after mhj leave

[tiny peak]

i'm sure there are other creative geniuses like MHJ, but HYBE surely going to put in puppet leadership and directors

[lofty compass]

I didn't see creativeness in any group beside nj

[tiny peak]

pre-debut loona, GWSN, Billie

[half knot]

it's possible they meant within HYBE in the last few years especially since pandemic started

[tiny peak]

yeah not as creative though, NewJeans is on another level

[half knot]

also it's crazy to think debuting loona from predebut days until august 2018 cost more than debuting NJ lol

[lofty compass]

Nj is literally revolutionary group

[tiny peak]

yeah it's like they completely gave up on creativity, they're like let's chase trends and copy NewJeans

[half knot]

it's just such a shame

[acoustic valve]

this, ador/mhj excels at being smart with their budget. like this CB, she pairs it with a shampoo brand (mayb didnt even get paid much), and now the shampoo brand spends millions and millions on promo for NJ, effectively pushing the CB. An amount of money that Ador could never have afforded themselves.

[half knot]

say what you will about SM, but even at their peak market control, they didn't stop trying and just put out generic slop

meanwhile HYBE with insane amount of money (for a kpop company), control, relations across the world with various producers and so many small companies under them just stopped trying

the disney in 2020's comparisons are pretty apt sometimes

I get why MHJ complains about lack of mutually exclusive concepts and sounds between the sublabels

[acoustic valve]

"let's make a billie eilish group" is still some of the most wild statements I've ever heard... but it absolutely explains the state of Hybe (and therefore half of kpop)

[half knot]

it's kind of fitting that HYBE is also trying to be a force in the tech and gaming world (to varying degrees of failure lol)

and that several HYBE top employees have links to NEXON, Netmarble and NCSoft in their pasts

and their highest investment ever before they became HYBE came from Netmarble (which remains their second largest shareholder to this day)

Korean gaming industry is all about putting out generic clone slops and maximizing gacha with psychological tricks

[acoustic valve]

They're treating music like Korean game companies treat their games... which once again, explains everything that's happening

[half knot]

which makes this even more interesting and shows objectively that they stopped trying once they had it in the bag and started to significantly stagnate

and instead focused on shutting down competition rather than put out the superior product

remember VLIVE? rip

HYBE literally decided to erase a significant portion of kpop history out of spite just to move the active artists to their own platform.

[neon kelp]

Better give it to me
I'II keep them safe and nicely

[half knot]

I was involved in VLIVE archiving as a community effort, and the whole thing just took up around 120TB of space, they could have just made it an archive and it would have cost them maybe $5K a year given how low the traffic would have been for legacy content that wasn't migrating to weverse.

And then out of spite, HYBE sent a cease and desist to archive.org/waybackmachine, where one of the full archives was at, to blacklist and block VLIVE past archives there.

I have nothing against any artist at HYBE, but that company and the culture of hypercapitalism it has introduced into kpop will be the downfall of kpop eventually.

Either kpop will stop having a korean identity, and we're already half-way there, and many labels eventually get absorbed into Universal, Sony, Warner, or the market for kpop crashes in a disasterous way the moment some kind of financial crisis starts in Korea or globally.

[acoustic valve]

I'm surprised I never realized how petty and small-minded Hybe was until now...

[neon kelp]

The funny thing is that knetizens seems too proud that they have the kpop songs made there but then they also hate on it too lol

What a dumb community they really have

[tiny peak]

ah I see, I think I finally understand the point MHJ was trying to make about ILLIT, she has nothing against the group or even belift, but pointing out what is the eventual end if they continue with this factory-style production

[half knot]

And that has been her stance since before NJ debuted, as per that beattitude.kr two part interview

that the companies under HYBE need to have their own mutually exclusive unique identities

[arctic sky]

https://www.pannchoa.com/2024/04/theqoo-min-heejins-instagram-ft-right.html

[half knot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1231839760759263232/1234782675785482240/image.png

[arctic sky]

Panchoaa is back lol

[neon kelp]

True

This was really looking good tho

[half knot]

hahaha

[acoustic valve]

I draw parallels to the MCU from Disney. they found a super popular trend to print money, and then went overdrive on it; grinding every spec of demand for it until the obvious copy+paste nature of it was so obvious that the market as a whole rejected it, and I don't think there's a future for the Marvel brand that doesn't include severe downsizing. With Hybe, this is what will happen when they continue this fast fashion style of content production; always trendy and "popular", but entirely soulless and derivative

[half knot]

the fact that Takashi Murakami actually designed these makes them even more relevant to the MV and the CM lol

[neon kelp]

Yea using the same repeative matter will get outdated at a point

[half knot]

mhj even uploaded a video of him drawing them

[neon kelp]

Yea I read they article they really did well