NJZ Updates and Discussion

[dry atlas]

is there any new info that needs to be pinned

[half knot]

just this but it's not in english yet.

so I would wait for actual english proper sources if they come.

[acoustic valve]

maybe the leak about the parents refusing to talk to hybe? But that just seems like more pointless mediaplay info that only obfuscates the facts

[tiny peak]

that article was very confusing, did MHJ confirm it directly?

[dry atlas]

yeah no there was no other source supporting that

[acoustic valve]

according to the post, yes. but we don't know the context of the request from hybe to talk to the parents. It could've even been "Please discuss with us on how to oust MHJ" and the parents refusing, which then hybe could leak as the parents refusing to talk, who knows. It's how media uses partial information to construct false narratives

[old cypress]

If the article is true, it's more likely than one of the parents told a reporter hybe tried to contact them.

or word got around

[acoustic valve]

my personal rule of thumb is typically "What effect does this article have? Who does this effect benefit?" in order to judge where the information is likely coming from

[opaque torrent]

https://x.com/sobrokenobreak/status/1784366536217796623

쉬바견 (@sobrokenobreak) on X

So apparently CEO park-ji-won
has threatened MHJ with OMG mv, led NJS’ APPLE event to be “snatched”. There are few theories about this

Twitter · Apr 27, 2024, 11:38 PM

[dry atlas]

qq about theqoo

is it just one big messageboard or are there something equivalent to subreddits or galleries?

[acoustic valve]

afaik it's kinda like the chan message boards, there are individual boards for diff topics, but there's drastic differences in popularity of them.

[tiny peak]

is that supposed to be a convo between CEO and MHJ?

[acoustic valve]

jiwon; hybe ceo

[tiny peak]

hmmm where did they get this? was it in the PPT?

[old cypress]

min heejin press con

[dry atlas]

if i wanna see posts about this drama, where do i go

[tiny peak]

oh my god, so she has even more receipts and grievances LOL

[dry atlas]

oh you missed the presscon?

sad 🤣

[tiny peak]

i didn't catch that she discussed OMG and Apple

[old cypress]

https://theqoo.net/hot/ lists all trending posts

other than that, people discuss news in /square

[dry atlas]

[half knot]

I can't understand the context of this

what happened with apple event and OMG MV?

[valid sierra]

seems like park jiwon was trying to threaten mhj with omg mv(idk exactly how). but park jiwon is trying to send other group to the apple store opening event. but it was still NJ who went to the event. Tim Cook himself even tweeted this

[half knot]

Right, I remember that, NJ went in the end. I thought it was all planned out with the apple steve jobs references in opening of OMG MV...

I don't get how the HYBE CEO was threatening with OMG MV and the whole overreact and apology bits. I guess she probably talked about it in the presscon but I didn't catch that bit.

[opaque torrent]

she did not. we can only speculate based on bits of conversations that were extracted from her kkt logs

but in general, she gave the impression that she was exhausted from fighting with hybe's meddling in her group/company when she was under the impression that they're independent labels

[waxen musk]

I was honestly so worried this news was gonna overshadow their comeback but then the album details and MV came out and I feel like they have a chance to be more successful with these two new songs than ever before. It's wild.

[acoustic valve]

https://vxtwitter.com/m1mchive/status/1784201384239546393

[steep torrent]

anyone have that tiktok that explained really well why koreans are in mhjs side?

think it got deleted cause its not in my bookmarks anymore

[waxen musk]

Was posted in here day or two ago.

[half knot]

this one?

[steep torrent]

thanks, wonder why it got deleted

[waxen musk]

lol I didn't realise the ILLIT "plagarism" stuff went so deep. I didn't even agree with it before seeing all the "evidence" of it now. Shame, I like ILLIT a lot.

[white arch]

tbh illit is so different to nj

[acoustic valve]

i liked it too, but I won't lie, knowing this was all going down behind the scenes has certainly soured the taste in my mouth. but enjoy what u enjoy, nobody's telling you what to enjoy or not eitherways

[waxen musk]

They still are overall and are different enough in my personal opinion, but the little things add up.

[half knot]

After NJ success, everybody knew a lot of other groups, new and old, will try to shift towards the new meta.
NJ explicitly were 90's concepts and y2k fashion from the start, blatantly and unapologetically. The thing that gets me is that anybody with eyes and ears within the kpopsphere already called ILLIT a NewJeans clone before and after their debut, probably, whether loudly or in their heads, whether conciously or not. This is not a drag or shade towards ILLIT, the girls have no choice over their concepts and aesthetics.

[opaque torrent]

i'm happy for illit's success but the plagiarism allegations are not invalid-esp with bang pd's history. and it's really this on top of her contract and her daily fights with hybe interfering with nj i bet

[half knot]

But many of us thought this was accepted given that's the strategy HYBE wants to employ, market saturation with a lot of group debuts and comebacks at high frequency, so cloning is the way they decided to go. I wish they chose to diversify instead with their multilabel approach to fill different niches for everybody.

[white arch]

illit is like and nj is like ⛓️

[half knot]

We didn't know there was such a huge internal struggle.

[waxen musk]

Honestly I'd be fine if both NJ and ILLIT continued down the concept paths they're already on. Unlike MHJ.

But switching things up will be more exciting ofc.

[half knot]

It's not like HYBE has any shortage of cash in their warchest to try and diversify their groups.

[opaque torrent]

and its only hybe fault that that this conflict is public. i think you are naive if you didnt think their PR blitz against her wasn't trollish, saidistic and overkill

[acoustic valve]

the main thing was, we all thought it was done with if not consent, at least passive understanding from ador's side. But to know it happened with their vehement disapproval; Hybe completely failed the responsibilities they owe to Ador. It's one thing when it's a separate company copying you, but when its a company that belongs to your boss? The same boss that has been showing clear favoritism against you since before debut? There's a lot of legitimate concerns that they'd continue degrading NJ's image in order to uplift their very similar sister-group

[opaque torrent]

are you a creator or artist yourself? maybe your opinion would change if you look at it from that perspective.

[half knot]

They didn't have to make ILLIT look so similar to NJ, whether in concept, sound or aesthetics. They chose to do that. And frankly, debuting three girl groups in such close proximity to one another was going to cause some conflict regardless, but now trying to make them so similar? I don't know.

Did ILLIT lose a member too because they wanted it OT5? We'll never know.

[waxen musk]

No I understand the perspective of the artist 100%. I'm just saying I like how ILLIT are both different enough and a little bit similar. It appeals to me.

[opaque torrent]

as consumers, we're fine using AI for fun and think of it as playtime, but it's been a real battle for artists against their corporate overlords who are implementing AI to replace them

[waxen musk]

exactly

[acoustic valve]

If it was a separate company, Ador can still compete fairly, but when it's ur own parent company pulling this. There's real worries that Ador would just get sabotaged whenever they did try to compete, and not be able to do a thing about it since it's their parent company doing it

[steep torrent]

think the thing is newjeans gives homages to 20+ year old concepts and ideas, whereas illit gives "homage" to a 1 year and 9 months old group. werent newjeans choreographers mad too?

[half knot]

We really don't know much about the internal struggles aside from HYBE's media tarnish campaign and MHJ's presscon and interviews.

We can only speculate and interpret I guess.

[opaque torrent]

i hope with the public sentiment 180, hybe would stop playing dirty and take this to court if they think they have a case against her

even if she was in the wrong, that PR campaign was just cruel

and they tarnished their artist's value

[acoustic valve]

The difference is competition and market positioning, NJ isn't competing or in the same market as TLC, Illit and NJ are very much competing and in the same market

[half knot]

HYBE has now poisoned perception of mediaplay too. In the future, whenever tabloids or entertainment news run negative articles about non-HYBE artists, people are going to attribute it to HYBE.

[waxen musk]

NJ bring back things that were trendy in the past and make them trendy now. Simple way of reducing it I guess.

[opaque torrent]

its funny to me how hybe kept going on about artists' value as if they didn't let a 16 year old be abused and bullied by the world when they had proof that could put all rumors and speculations to rest. i guess that would be humanizing her and giving her a past and a life outside of being an idol.

and i can confirm hybe has a history of ignoring parents

[half knot]

I cannot believe somebody thought this through and decided this was the right move, at such speed, frequency and intensity of tarnishing negative media articles.

[steep torrent]

like put down both creative directors and ask them where they got their inspiration and then we'll see. cause adors entire team makes it very obvious what they are taking from

[waxen musk]

The speed of it almost feels like such little thought went into it.

[half knot]

it's not like MHJ is a stranger to her concepts and art direction being adopted and inspiring others in Kpop. She was at SM for 20 years after all.

One could argue her works during 2007 to 2012 Hallyu wave of kpop are the standard.

[opaque torrent]

tbh they were winning at one point. i didn't feel confident after mhj's press conference. i felt for her since i've followed her career/read her interviews and even worked at korean air where i saw misogynistic abuse everyday, but i honestly thought i was the only one lol

[waxen musk]

I really need to study MHJ's past works. I'm so unfamiliar with pre-gen4 stuff in K-pop in general.

[half knot]

But to have it done by a boss who diminished her work at every step and is clearly trying to replace her, that must have hurt, on top of the slave contract.

[waxen musk]

I've listened to a bunch of f(x) so far but that's about it.

[opaque torrent]

she worked with red velvet a lot too. they're still building on what she gave birth to

[half knot]

yeah that's what shocked me the most, just how many came out in such a short time. Usually a campaign like that stretches over weeks.

[steep torrent]

did she work with wonder girls? or was that another group

[waxen musk]

Yeah I've seen a bunch of RV too. But not much else.

[steep torrent]

i really like their reboot album

[waxen musk]

Wonder Girls Rewind went viral again recently right.

[opaque torrent]

no shes never worked with WG

[dry atlas]

that's jyp so no

[waxen musk]

Ah ok lol ignore the WG comments lol.

[opaque torrent]

f(x) > red velvet > girls generation > shinee in that order

[steep torrent]

oh i think it was girls generation, i really like them too

[waxen musk]

Why do I feel like GG is super old gen.

[acoustic valve]

I'll paraquote something I remember a director saying "If you draw inspiration from John Wick for your film, you will likely be labelled a cheap copy. But if you draw inspiration from 80s hong kong "gun fu" movies (the kinda movies that inspired john wick) you will be seen as cultured"

[half knot]

she was fairly well involved with EXO from debut until around 2014-2015 as well

and some of the very early NCT

[opaque torrent]

i dont count nct bc i feel like she was burned out and her heart and soul weren't into it

[half knot]

True and fair, I agree.

[opaque torrent]

like if you want to get peak mhj, its f(x), rv, and newjeans

[steep torrent]

was she involved in the music for those groups too?

[waxen musk]

Is there a way of finding out really easily what part of f(x) and RV she was part of and when? Like websites to find out that info?

[opaque torrent]

f(x) for sure

[half knot]

I don't think she was involved in the music much, but she was involved in many of their music videos.

In terms of album artwork, costumes, MV, and artist brand identity, she's a major part of what made the image of kpop and SM aesthetics, 2nd gen onward.

[opaque torrent]

oh did i just dreamt up of f(x)? i. could've sworn she said in an interview she produced for them... but i guess "produce" could mean many things

[half knot]

But we've seen her involved in NJ music directly, so she had the talent for it.

[half knot]

I have to look it up, there are some of their songs she's credited on I believe. But like, not in an executive producer role the way she has with NJ.

[acoustic valve]

https://namu.wiki/w/민희진#s-4.3

[waxen musk]

ill take a look thanks

[half knot]

Gee and Genie being the flagbearers of how kpop left Korea and became an Asia-wide phenomenon, and she was involved in at least the album art, promotional work and the MV for those.

[acoustic valve]

but yeah, it was mostly as creative director, so music doubt she had much influence

[opaque torrent]

you can sense the envy in the manufactured controversies about her

oh its included in this article too - even when the claims have been thoroughly debunked

[acoustic valve]

don't like to downplay risks on serious issues... but yeah it's gone absolutely too far. Everything related to NJ has tbh, like the ETA stuff. it's like watching Qanon happen again

[half knot]

Qanon
just with zoomers now instead of boomers lol

new generations always criticize what old generations do, like believing everything on Facebook timeline, but teens are doing exactly that for different topics, just on different platforms.

[opaque torrent]

even if they are valid, you just never seen the same allegations being linked to yg groups, where their ceo groomed and married a trainee whom he fell in love upon seeing her at 12 years old and sabotaged her career

or big hit group, where their ceo was photographed dating someone jungkook's age

[half knot]

I always tell that story to people who elevate YG lol

It's just so overtly fucked up. And he admitted to it on broadcast television too.

And that's besides all the gangster organized crime shit he's done with YG as a front.

[opaque torrent]

and the es eeh ex trafficking he turned a blind eye to

[half knot]

Or was directly involved in and just made another one of his people be the fall guy.

[opaque torrent]

possibly

[acoustic valve]

Or why are people not worried when BSH's girlfriend that he was going on private trips to bali with was literally 21 when he was 45? That seems far more relevant to me than MHJ's particular inspirations when it comes to art...

When we're talking about managing idols of the exact same age...

[opaque torrent]

mhj didnt tell an adult taemin she was going to photograph him shirtless bc she didnt want to pressure him into dieting turned into 'she didnt want him to work out and look like a grown man'

like what is wrong with you that that's what you jump to

[half knot]

When you already have preconceptions and set notions about somebody, and have already decided you want to hate them, it doesn't matter the situation, it will always be twisted into something negative to fit that already set perspective.

That was too many "already" but you get my point lol

[acoustic valve]

like mhj saying she and the girls have a close relationship turns into "Oh, she's grooming them". like, wtf is going on in these people's heads?

[opaque torrent]

or like whats wrong with her looking up to brooke shields? brooke shields is every 40 year old woman's icon lol

like as a grown ass woman myself, i looked up to britney spears and wanted to be her. but when i invoke britney in my memories, it's britney at 17/18, when i first idolized her, not her current self

[half knot]

In my experience, most of the time, that's a form of projection on the part of the commenter...........

[waxen musk]

Can I just ask what isn't able to be defended regarding MHJ. I like most others have read the perspectives of how creepy she comes across ever since NJ debut but I don't know what people can still attack her with. I just want to be aware.

[acoustic valve]

facts, my mother had brooke shields stuff too. I'd watch brooke shields movies with her all the time when I was a kid because she loved rewatching them

[half knot]

The only thing I can never defend and wouldn't even attempt to is Cookie song lyrics and the subsequent Ador gaslighting about it.

They fucked up but decided to run with it.

[acoustic valve]

what does "able to be defended" even mean? The woman has never been legally accused of any of these accusations, everything is technically "defensible", just depends who ur asking, and if its kpop fans. None of it is defensible

[opaque torrent]

see even i disagree with this lol

[waxen musk]

Just asking you guys what you think. Whether there are still SOME things that are not defensible that she's done. Just educating myself.

@acoustic valve in reply to your comment

[opaque torrent]

but my theory is that the song was originally sexual and whether they were or were not aware of it, there was intent and action to change the meaning and put in a different (cultural) context. and i dont know why it doesnt count. like we don't listen to love dive and think of it as a booty call song, which was what it originally was

[waxen musk]

I mostly care about Korean GP understanding of Cookie tbh. And yeah in the West there's no doubt of it's sexual meaning. I just wonder if they thought about intending that and if they thought about how big NJ would get in the West.

[acoustic valve]

Personally, I'm charitable to her because she reminds me of some passionate and stubborn people I know and love. I buy that at an executive level, there was oversight regarding Cookie because the situation is plausible to me. They're not always the brightest or tactful, but their sincerity and intentions are clear

[opaque torrent]

but if cookie makes some ppl uncomfortable, then it makes some people uncomfortable. not my job to change anyone's mind

[half knot]

I think they just failed to change it enough, and yes I 100% agree with this, as we have ample evidence of other songs being used like that in Kpop. this is what happens when they buy english demos and forget to actually do the work to change it up enough
putting suggestive and sexual themes on song demos is practically lyrical lorem ipsum for western composers and producers kek

[opaque torrent]

ahahaha

[waxen musk]

Dude I feel so ignorant to how people interpreted Cookie in the West and I wish I could have never read comments about it and live in that ingorance is bliss period.
Ofc there's no excuse for ignorance if it's actually harmful but yeah I'm a bit sad. Some people just automatically see the sexual meaning in songs in the West whereas I'm a bit slow in that regard lol.

[half knot]

It's just how western music is, you throw a dart on a board of all top 40 songs in the nation and you're almost guaranteed to hit one with sexual or suggestive themes in some shape or form lol

[waxen musk]

Yeah you know how many sexual songs you just sang out loud in the car with your parents when you were like 10 years old lol it's so bad

[acoustic valve]

Similar, I just interpreted it the same way I do when I go to Japan and see wildly inappropriate tshirts (due to the english words on them) sold out in the open... not intentional but silly nonetheless. I laugh a bit and then just see the same way japanese people see these shirts; some funky english words that look cool

[half knot]

f(x)'s "When I'm Alone" was originally a Carly Rae Jepsen song that she never released, and the demo for the full song leaked in 2022, many years after f(x) ended. And the original song was about ||self-pleasure|| Or look up aespa's "lingo" Demo lol now that's a shocking one.

[waxen musk]

*felt so (past tense)

Anyway seems I didn't really get answer to my previous question other than Cookie. I'll take that as a good thing if you guys can't think of any other examples.

[prisma ferry]

I'm actually worried for NewJeans If they stay with HYBE they might Killed their Concept and kill their group career

[half knot]

There are no concrete examples with ample evidence that you could damn MHJ about. It's all interpretive.

[opaque torrent]

aside from all of these controversies, which look to me to be smear campaigns by envious ppl in the industry, mhj has honestly been minding her own business for 20 years

shes genuinely known for her work, not her opinions

[half knot]

She's a very reclusive person after all, has always kept to herself. Really, it wasn't until MHJ promotions that she even gave real interviews.

[acoustic valve]

like i said, she's got the most powerful man in kpop (worth $1.9 billion) and his entire conglomerate out for her head on a platter, digging up dirt on her. And the best they found was her shaman friend. Not a single disgruntled colleague or incident they could pull out from her 20 years in the industry to destroy her in the court of public opinion. That should tell you something

[opaque torrent]

and she seems to become friends with ppl she works with. do ppl not see how she did not throw her vp or staff under the bus save herself? she went straight to bang pd. that's why they will gladly take the fall for her too

[half knot]

Before MHJ had even debuted, when this discord server was young and fresh and clueless full of banter, people would always talk about how the only person MHJ follows (on instagram) and had photos with is Krystal and how they had attended birthday parties of each other and were close. Krystal was rarely close to anybody even in the industry, and for her to remain friends with MHJ so many years later was a green flag for me.

[opaque torrent]

people go to such low lengths for stan wars and their parasocial relationships with idols

[acoustic valve]

i mean mhj seems the same way, didn't she say she hated mixing work and personal life and allude that was part of the reason she butts head with superiors? Like how she said "What am I meant to do? Go play golf with you? Have a drink with you after work? That's not me"

[steep torrent]

how did they find out about that shaman thing? i wasnt really following that cause of how dumb it sounded lol. i remember seeing some comment on twt saying there was a voice recording or something but idk how real that is and even if there was how would they have that?

[opaque torrent]

it amuses me when their salary apparently leaked and stans were speculating she was mad bc newjeans made more than her. they were diminishing her work, as if she was just a sitting head and the ppl under her did all the work. um, no you're so clueless about her lol

[acoustic valve]

she basically had a shaman friend she'd discuss things with and would get fortune readings from, a very common practice in Korea

[half knot]

the shaman thing is just something to appeal to international audience and make them feel weird about MHJ, as a lot of Koreans go to shamans for fun, it's a whole thing in Korea if k-dramas are to be believed lol

It was such a desperate, hilarious last attempt right before her presscon lol

[opaque torrent]

shamans are astrologists of korea

[half knot]

Like if that's all you got HYBE, what the fuck lol

[steep torrent]

was there any "evidence" by hybe or did they just air that out hoping everyone would believe it lol

[half knot]

I think it was based on some credit card receipt lol I don't remember the details tbh because of how stupid it was

[opaque torrent]

no they found kkt chats but they never released the actual chats. they just vaguely said she consulted a shaman to ask about bts' enlistment and let the media and fans do the rest of the work

she said that they leaked the shaman friend because they couldn't find anything on her credit card except ubereats from working over time

[steep torrent]

ahhh i see

[acoustic valve]

srsly, god I hate hybe sm, I'm glad at least most Koreans are seeing through it all

[half knot]

I always thought SM stans were the most brainwashed, but HYBE stans, at least a certain subsegment, truly behave like they are part of a hivemind, or HYBEmind

[dry atlas]

wow you an njcord elder

[acoustic valve]

i dont even want to imagine what this case would look like if it was SM... but who knows, hybe may actually be worst at this point

[dry atlas]

the before times

[half knot]

(I am an admitted SM stan and NJ stan, so I'm just self bashing)

[opaque torrent]

honestly when she said 'can i not have a shaman friend?' i was like thats why taehyung likes her so much lol

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/iAxkLVOI2A48HglVerxrzChQaQmnHfY5HXIEMwUy03BONLt6-Qn1DSmYvUEIYlEq1RiOZWyRup2JUYqiWH1GC_EDvzbMeTLR2BuIfIDGfg728wc5=w380-nu-rj-l70-e365

[half knot]

hahaha I wonder how the conversation within HYBE is going these days, man to be a fly on those walls...

I imagine even BTS members are not happy with how the public perception is going, and some of them seemed to really like NJ and their songs...

[tiny peak]

when NJ stopped going to MAMA, i always wondered if it was her being petty or standing up for the girls, it's looking it was both LOL

[acoustic valve]

who knows, personal relationships between idols is probably the least of the worries going through everybody's mind rn tbh

like NJ probably not thinking "I wonder if we can still be friends with the LSF girls" and more "I hope I'm not trapped by myself under Hybe without the team that's been on this journey with us for the last two years"

[half knot]

If they weren't thinking about escape plans before, they certainly are now 😭 All of them at HYBE, at least as a hypothetical.

It's been years since I've seen such intense hate campaigns on social media with regards to kpop, it's actually mad, and I feel really bad because the artists don't deserve any of it.

[half knot]

This tweet has 7M views, the conversation in Korea is taking a weird turn... https://twitter.com/guiltyarchive/status/1784319765810667759

involving cults and symbolism.

[acoustic valve]

all roads lead to conspiracy theories and witchcraft

actually, we've been at the witchcraft section since the shaman leaks

[lucid yarrow]

well the stupid title about shamans and witchcraft didnt really help lol i dont know why ppl fall for it when kpop idol have blood type/astrological sign in thier profile...even if she is visiting a shaman for bts is true she just wishing whole company good luck unlike the hybe ceo

[lofty compass]

MHJ said predebut minji was very pretty more then now what she mean

[half knot]

I am not qualified to translate that line within context lol but it was funny to hear, I don't think she meant it as a shade to minji or anything 😄

seems like a figure of speech that was lost in context or just came out in her unhinged rant.

[acoustic valve]

its a korean expression, no direct translation rly does it justice. But it's the same way your grandma might say "you should have seen how cute she was when she was a baby"

[lofty compass]

Oh

[opaque torrent]

yeah no korean has a problem with it

[lucid yarrow]

some1 said "she was pretty even when she was young"

[acoustic valve]

the koreans that commented find it funny, because it's the kind of thing an old woman says about their niece or grandchild, but it was said during a very heated and serious press conference, and in between swearing at her bosses

[half knot]

somebody commented under a summary video with a lot of views that they shouldn't do this during exam period 😄

because of how much time people lost watching the presscon and followups and memes.

[opaque torrent]

yeah i was dead at work the next day

[arctic sky]

mhj might have lost the legal battle but for sure she has won the war given the reputation damage that hybe under.

[opaque torrent]

i havent stayed up for a kpop comeback like this

[opaque torrent]

she hasn't tho

[acoustic valve]

honestly though, watching the kpop industry and its inner workings, and the way fans have reacted. My kpop consumption is ending with NJ, and possibly this CB if this ends up being their farewell

don't need this kinda toxicity, I'm just here to support artists doing cool stuff and enjoying their music

[arctic sky]

this is prob the most stressed time ive been for a longest time i could even remember being kpop fans for decades

[opaque torrent]

lol https://x.com/soyamoyas/status/1784403556386341296

bernice | 🫧#WELOVEYOUNEWJEANS (@soyamoyas) on X

😱😱😱😱😱😱

Rumor on the street is that park ji won threatened mhj about Apple event cos he was pissed that OMG mv is actually exposing the cult that Hybe (Bang Shi Hyuk) follows….

And if this cult (Dan world) is involved it’s scary….

Twitter · Apr 28, 2024, 2:05 AM

[tiny peak]

100% this, the tone, facial expression, phrase were exactly as you describe, which does make it funny

[prisma ferry]

I'm worried about All those innocent girls Minji Hanni Danielle Haerin and Hyein

[opaque torrent]

https://m.blog.naver.com/bangwl33/222998090482

[dry atlas]

is hybe gonna sue them for thinking about escape plans too

[ionic furnace]

Nah that is actually wickedd

[acoustic valve]

at this rate of escalating controversies, if NJ makes it to next CB the SK prime minister might be getting impeached or smth idk

[tiny peak]

LOL this is so crazy, I think the MV director's explanation about the MV and themes is more believable though

[opaque torrent]

i put the cult name into youtube and the first video that pops up is bang pd vs mhj lol

it's 단월드 - someone else confirm

[tiny peak]

as ridiculous as this is, I have no sympathy for HYBE, call it karma

[ionic furnace]

yall think this is pure coincidence?

[acoustic valve]

when in doubt... just use namuwiki https://namu.wiki/w/단월드

[dry atlas]

deleted that, you can talk about it but refrain from posting content. links are fine

[somber phoenix]

it depends

[dry atlas]

the thread was funny though

did you see it? the one made by a Japanese

[opaque torrent]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2erIr43YEZw

ahhh this is the video with the funny comments

[tiny peak]

LOL "Are you having fun?" is never going away

[lofty compass]

Isn't MHJ just mention aespa name? but blinks adding blackpink and babymonster name also lmao

[dry atlas]

classic them

[short laurel]

That's what sm fandom side being saying since day 1 of that situation but everyone where like it's either hybe or kakao xD

[acoustic valve]

The only difference was that I thought SM would be in crisis sooner if it went to Kakao instead of Hybe... but who knew it was actually faster with hybe

[white arch]

https://www.youtube.com/live/h4z1kTy1sCc?si=Rb3BSldRu5JIJFt4

[dry atlas]

if sm went to hybe, they'd be like source pledis, etc?

[acoustic valve]

yeah... but like 10x the size, so who knew what the dynamics woulda been like

but knowing what we now know about bsh, he would've almost certainly not been entirely fair with his priorities, I can see him giving non-SM labels favorable treatment to the detriment of SM, similar to the current ador drama

[tiny peak]

ewww what would have happened to aespa

[short laurel]

Everyone wanted sm to stay independent. Now with kakao getting distribution rights. Their album has been 1 week late on shipping always. N That affects mushow.

[ruby garden]

shin wooseok is never working on a MV again and I don't blame him cause wtf is this https://twitter.com/yslhaerin/status/1784407250720694685

۟ (@yslhaerin) on X

Ok so for those who don’t know what’s going on i’ll try to explain it

So allegedly BangPd is part of some weird cult and he references it in many of hybe’s groups concepts.

And so MHJ apparently disses him by making fun of the cult in the OMG MV.

Twitter · Apr 28, 2024, 2:20 AM

[acoustic valve]

oh maybe bernice knew more than we ever knew since the start... https://vxtwitter.com/newjeanspromo/status/1616216410476400664

[nimble stream]

lmfao

[valid sierra]

HOLY FUCK korea is going crazy with this controversy

[dry atlas]

this is amazing

[steep torrent]

intl fans are mad they made this tweet but knowing them if it was mhj accused of this their reaction would have been so different

[ruby garden]

it's reaching qanon levels now tbh

[steep torrent]

but wasnt shin wooseok directing that mv?

always misinterpeting his work, he is never working in kpop again lol

[ruby garden]

yeah he's done

[steep torrent]

i mean he wasnt already but even if there was that small chance its gone

[valid sierra]

at this point, newjeans really is Korea's daughter

[ruby garden]

he came back only for apple but i fear he won't come back again for anything now

[acoustic valve]

just went to reddit for a browse, they're all coping so hard it's hilarious "omg I can't believe how stupid koreans are, how can they not understand what WE, a bunch of koreaboos that don't understand any nuance about Korean society or even the language, how can they not understand what we see so clearly?!?! 😡 😡 😡 "
Need to delete that app fr

[tiny peak]

yeah they've transcended kpop

[ruby garden]

omg the new korean comments on omg MV...

this is crazy

[tiny peak]

the demographic of reddit is kinda icky and/or dominated by certain groups, i've completely avoided it the past week and am pretty happy about that

[acoustic valve]

now I'm reading theories connecting to nexon founder's political scandal and passing... if this goes any further might be a legit new conspiracy movement...

[tiny peak]

i loved the original message and themes of OMG, kinda sad it's being obscured again 😦

[short laurel]

Well nexon n netmarble are very dirty companies. So no surprise there

[acoustic valve]

let's just say my views on most things are like diametrically opposed to most reddit users, so being downvoted is nothing new to me

[arctic sky]

wtf is happening now, i dun follow it all

[ruby garden]

honestly me either but something about BSH being in a cult and incorporating it into the groups he manages and min heejin is dissing him in OMG

[acoustic valve]

reading the top youtube comments... half of me just wants to laugh at the absurdity... and the other half is purely amazed how so many koreans are seeing signs and has me second guessing my own reality

[ruby garden]

yeah i'm staying away from this it's getting a bit ridiculous

[opaque torrent]

amused that their trying other her by bringing up a shaman ends up backfiring but the conspiracy theories could take away from the new revelations about how valid mhj's slave contract is

[ruby garden]

they're literally asking mhj to get security guards to protect nj from the cult

[arctic sky]

lmao

[opaque torrent]

yeah y'all support her a bit too much lol

[ruby garden]

we've deviated so much

[ruby garden]

I'm just literally relaying what some of the comments on omg mv are saying

[acoustic valve]

it's a lot of noise... topicality moves fast, who knows if these theories will still be talking about 12 hours from now

[arctic sky]

Ig this is better than nothing tho i expect they would come up with something more concrete topic like digging up their dirts in the past

[ruby garden]

yeah i hope people are just bored since it's the weekend

[waxen musk]

I really do not understand what's going on with this but do I need to remove my OMG dancing bear avatar lol? The bear in OMG and that University logo are uncanny.

[ruby garden]

they've been targeting BTS a lot bringing up past events

[opaque torrent]

oh it was a general 'y'all', not a directed at you @ruby garden

[dry atlas]

https://youtu.be/SP-LJqVgQuw?si=gSlnM98ZCLD7EB3a
new comments here too

[waxen musk]

Learnt this days ago I'm never reading comments on there again. Just gonna use it for new MV feed.

[lucid yarrow]

nah u just jioned nj cult nothing wrong with that

[acoustic valve]

for better or worse, it's another sign how institutions no longer have the control over narratives in the public sphere they once did, scary in some ways, pretty hopeful in others

[waxen musk]

I was thinking about changing to bubble avatar anyway so time to change I guess I dont want to be unwillingly associated with whatever's going on (i'm not very serious about that but i fancied the change anyway)

[opaque torrent]

they're mad because their parasocial relationship with idols has made everything personal and its an extension of their stan war. there has been comments pointing out the plagiarism and critique of lsfm for weeks now, before mhj was provoked. most koreans see mhj's complaint as a legitimate complaint towards a corporate entity undermining her while copying her work. int'l kpop stans see it as a stan war because they engage in stan wars daily and project onto her

they call koreans dumb bc their faves were affected, not realizing that koreans can tell the difference between the head honcho calling the shots and the idols while they cannot

[serene cloud]

Intl fans are just looking at it As a fan war

South Korean people have other understandings

Also wtf is this cult thing....I don't even want to ask

[opaque torrent]

the tweets that go viral on the k-side, its mostly ppl cursing at bang pd and sometimes the CD of illit for copying. most are not about the illit members

[acoustic valve]

Portraying the richest and most powerful man in kpop as some poor misunderstood man being bullied by his employee... certainly a choice

[opaque torrent]

its too much but it seems true that bang pd is in a cult called danworld

[tiny peak]

LOL if it's true, the timing for this to be known is pretty bad

[waxen musk]

The mere mention out of the mouth of MHJ of aespa, Le Sserafim, ILLIT and BTS is angering people lol. Like they didn't even read or understand the context of what she's trying to explain.

[acoustic valve]

....

[waxen musk]

I don't even know what to say.

[tiny peak]

like I don't know what that will do for investor confidence on monday (if he's really in a cult)

[waxen musk]

[tiny peak]

this was MHJ plan all along!!! /j

[acoustic valve]

still almost 20 hours to do damage control before stock market opens, a lot of thins could develop, let's see

[tiny peak]

hahah I'd hate to be in PR, how do you craft a response to deny your CEO is in a cult

[acoustic valve]

ask ||JYP||

[opaque torrent]

you dont. you create a lore and form a girl group based around it and make all your artists move to the land of kwangya

[ruby garden]

well atleast the correction post is trending on theqoo https://theqoo.net/hot/3205859116

[valid sierra]

https://theqoo.net/hot/3205752521
oh only the vp was reported not mhj.
This article shows lawyers perspective in the issue

[acoustic valve]

I've been seeing more and more opinion articles that think that if Hybe doesn't have anything concrete beyond the mentioned chatlogs, then they will almost certainly not be successful in charging mhj with breach of trust. Many thinking that maybe this was why they went so hard on the mediaplay so try and destroy her in the court of public opinion instead

[opaque torrent]

*The general opinion in the legal community is that, when combining the evidence released so far and Hive's explanation, it is difficult to apply the charge of breach of trust even if CEO Min had planned a 'usurpation of management rights'.

Since there is no provision for punishment at the preliminary or conspiracy stage for breach of trust in business, criminal punishment is not possible unless there is evidence that an act harming the company actually existed.*

[waxen musk]

A few days ago I never thought I'd be as optimistic as I am now, especially with me being a generally pessimistic person.

[tiny peak]

plotting how to leave the company out of frustration vs causing a 1B loss in market cap ... wonder what is more harmful

[ruby garden]

shareholders should sue BSH lol

[opaque torrent]

Attorney Lee Hyeon-gon (Saeol Law Firm) also said, "If you actually caused New Genes to leave, lowering the company's value and causing property damage, it would be a breach of trust, but as of now, there is only the statement that 'I tried to do so' and there is no evidence of the action." He pointed out, “The target of breach of trust is actually not clear.”

only Hybe has been doing this 😭

[waxen musk]

I should say thought that we should all fear the unexpected. New twists every day.

[twin cypress]

W mhj W newjeans

[serene cloud]

Interesting

[opaque torrent]

when are kpop stans going to learn to stop taking everything at face value and let things play out before they dedicate themselves to being the most miserable, angry and disgusting smear merchants for a company

[arctic sky]

I saw that weve been gaining some new fans and non-kpop fans from kr were rallying behind 'em is so assuring and relieving

[serene cloud]

Still would this affect hybe trying to vote her out of ador

[valid sierra]

i think they never expected mhj would go out in public like this since. but damn one rush mistake and leads to this

[opaque torrent]

if the police null hybe's formal complaint, i hope she sues for breach of trust

[marble cape]

im kinda relieve that hybe stop leaking fake news to the media

[serene cloud]

Thry might still release more things

[marble cape]

it just seemed like a couple days ago it was every hour something leaked

[opaque torrent]

that dispatch expose on mhj's time at source music backfired tremendously but at least dispatch probably booked some hybe artists to be at their concert

[waxen musk]

What is Dispatch's concert? Didn't know they had one.

[acoustic valve]

no politics please but woow... https://vxtwitter.com/AkimotoThn/status/1784115551566282774

[tiny peak]

shibuya station!

[opaque torrent]

lol i am being cheeky but they do! its called d'festa. dont know if its still going

[tiny peak]

ngl I thought that was ILLIT for a split second 😭 thought hanni was minju

[waxen musk]

Sir, this is a Wendy's

[cyan rivet]

Lawyers are all saying that nj and mhj will win

[acoustic valve]

Hybe technically doesnt need the criminal charge to push mhj out, they still got 80% shares and only needs time... but this case is developing so fast and drastically, who knows what will happen tbh

[kind hill]

Whats this about?

[acoustic valve]

that was a enhypen's ex-performance director, no1 has any idea what he's referring to exactly, but theories are abound

[kind hill]

Ohh i see, btw why is hybe officials getting called a cltst?

[half knot]

||https://culteducation.com/group/1292-salvation-sect/27633-jyp-tried-to-sell-agency.html||

[opaque torrent]

i am seeing comments saying bang pd could've tried to kill two birds with one stone: bury mhj and market cap deflation aka market manipulation

can anyone knowledge on the latter verify?

[acoustic valve]

that's a long story... basically BSH does have legitimate connections to a cult in korea, but that's not as rare as you might think, it's not uncommon for powerful and rich men to have thse connections, the roots of cults run deep in Korea, most are pretty benign. But then there's been a lot of people coming up with their own theories and connections regarding Hybe and Big Hit's history regarding symbolism, and also ex-companies that the now Hybe CEO worked at. Just a lot of mess, kinda like pizzagate or qanon in the west

[half knot]

No knowledge on that, but a company trying to buy back shares can benefit from lowering of their stock price.

[twin cypress]

Yea there’s a really bad cult that operates in Japan and Korea

[half knot]

South Korea is a hotbed for cults, it's really interesting.

[acoustic valve]

like this has almost 1m views...

[kind hill]

Oh wow, never have i ever thought they would have any connections with a cult.

[kind hill]

What the f

[acoustic valve]

"cults" are actually pretty common in Korea, there's a lot of cultural context to explain it, most I'm not very familiar with myself tbh

[kind hill]

Ahh i see, thank you for your answers! I will try to dive deeper so i can be kinda familiar with it

[half knot]

I remember reading an analysis of this, the issue with Korea is they have such a longstanding tradition of Shamanism and other kind of superstitious cults and religions, as well as Buddhism, Daoism and Confucianism, so when Christianity became very common there just in the past 100 years, a lot of these belief systems started melding together, giving rise to these new religious movements, new-age stuff, that don't neatly fit in any traditional category as sects of existing world religions. Thus ... cults by definition.

The ones you might hear the most about is Unification Church and all the offshoots and branches that came from that.

[sudden frigate]

What's this, is Daniel Danielle?

[half knot]

this now has 29 million views.

[twin cypress]

What is this referring to

[waxen musk]

I'm sorry but all this cult talk is reminding me of some of the side missions in the Yakuza games and I'm just quietly giggling to myself right now that shit was funny.

[opaque torrent]

sigh i wish the new articles compilation of opinions from lawyers and the korea economic daily had 29 million views

[acoustic valve]

tldr; that tweet is loaded with references i don't know, but basically it's saying danielle is an angel and that BSH is scared of her because of that(?) It's all so weird tbh

[half knot]

not sensational enough 😭

[sudden frigate]

LMAO

[acoustic valve]

this is why NJ doesn't need lore... not when you got stuff like this happening every CB...

[waxen musk]

This is the type of shit you make movies out of.

[lucid yarrow]

are u saying mhj recruit dani just to troll him

[kind hill]

LMFAO

[waxen musk]

Are there any movies about previous Korean events that might remind you of what's going on now?

[kind hill]

Not a movie but a kdrama series, queen of tears lmao

[opaque torrent]

lmao same

[half knot]

There's also a documentary series on Netflix about a Korean cult named JMS, it's called "In The Name Of God: A Holy Betrayal"

[opaque torrent]

the audit scene esp

[kind hill]

Fr lmao

[waxen musk]

Oh wtf that's such a recent show.

[half knot]

But this kind of dramatic corporate battle, there's a lot of k-dramas like it.

It's kind of one of the primary templates for k-dramas 😄 given how formulaic even that segment of K-entertainment has become.

[waxen musk]

I'll have to take a look.

[opaque torrent]

theyre not k-dramas they're k-documentaries

[steep torrent]

that rotten mango video is gonna be crazy 😭

[marble cape]

it'll be on netflix in a couple years 😭

[half knot]

I don't think any movie/drama portrayal could possibly do MHJ's presscon justice

that press conference is truly stranger than fiction. If it was shown in a movie or tv show, people would call it absurd and unrealistic.

[lucid yarrow]

in 10year minji going play as mhj in the drama about this right not

[half knot]

in 10 years, minji will only be 30 😭

[opaque torrent]

https://cdn.kbizoom.com/media/2024/04/27070855/min-hee-jin-newjeans-minji-thumbnail-042724.png

[half knot]

and hyein barely in her mid 20's lol

already auditioning I see

[opaque torrent]

i hope tokkis will dress like that at tokyo dome

[half knot]

blue caps all around

blue caps protests (analog of yellow vests protests)

🧢 even discord knows

🧢

[opaque torrent]

[half knot]

[acoustic valve]

proof you don't need to look like a literal angel in order to pull off these cool looks, this is how you create trends

[half knot]

just saw these posted, younger years mhj could have been an idol if she wanted to

[twin cypress]

Hear me out

[half knot]

lady has been in kpop industry longer than any NJ girls have been alive

[steep torrent]

oh wow

[waxen musk]

I think people will legit do it but I worry about how the girls feel about it. It could be really weird for them.

[half knot]

just blue caps will be fun though as a sign of support assuming this drama is still ongoing then

[steep torrent]

i hope its all relatively over by minjis birthday

[tiny peak]

i could see these pics going viral in korea LOL

[valid sierra]

she single?

[half knot]

as far as anybody knows, but I wonder if she has like secret children who are living abroad. rich execs often do lol

[arctic sky]

where did u get these pics from?

I mean i always knew mhj is pretty

[lucid yarrow]

hope april 30th the revolve something if she needs to go then fire her if not i dont know....

[acoustic valve]

is this what this cord was like before nj debuted....

[half knot]

The one with glasses in the first post is from her instagram, before the purge in prep for newjeans

the rest are from various articles over the years and a couple of interviews she had done

[tiny peak]

they're lovely

[half knot]

no comment, but we were highly anticipating her new girl group

[waxen musk]

I still barely only recently learnt about how big of a name MHJ was pre-NJ. Most of the time I've only been judging her of her work from NJ but I'm slowly realising.

[opaque torrent]

i hate to say this but working with hybe aged her a lot haha

i dont mean that she looks ugly or old... she just looks super stressed

[half knot]

I completely agree. MHJ in 2019-2020 still looked very much the same, and then suddenly the past ~3 years she aged a lot

[steep torrent]

reminds me of yves from loona

well actually only the 2nd pic

think its the eyeliner

[dry atlas]

What's this

[nimble stream]

wut

[acoustic valve]

stuff related to the cults conpiracies and that bsh is scared of danielle because she's an angel, saw knetz say stuff like "Oh, I will carry a danielle poca around now to ward off devils"

[white arch]

[nimble stream]

LMFAO

[pulsar steeple]

[arctic sky]

[opaque torrent]

https://img-cdn.theqoo.net/qpLRgW.jpg

theqoo forensics experts

[half knot]

she sure types a lot and gets no response. it's clear that they weren't giving her the meetings she wanted, so she had to resort to these long strings of tl;dr katalk messages

[opaque torrent]

what are you talking about? they initiated a meeting with her at 9:59am on April 22 but she was busy going thru an audit

[acoustic valve]

any1 that's ever worked in an office knows exactly the kind of employee she is from these texts, but more importantly, the kind of boss hybe ceo was

[half knot]

no comment haha

but as an executive of the company as well as ceo of her own label, she was entitled to get face to face with the higher ups when they were screwing over her, her company and her group.

[dry atlas]

they really talking about work stuff in kakao talk? no teams or slack or something?

[half knot]

that's literally the first thing I thought of when the katalk screenshots started coming out (first from HYBE). Like is there no freaking operational security at HYBE?

also the fact that chat screenshots are the basis for receipts in this year and age is truly mindboggling lol

[opaque torrent]

or maybe they were unresponsive so she had to resort to kkt

[half knot]

that would be a more rational explanation yes

[white arch]

I can read it 😎

[acoustic valve]

one assumes digital forensics will easily verify the authenticity of all of them, if they're ever actually used in court

[half knot]

Oh of course, absolutely.

[arctic sky]

katalk is like whatsapp in sea region ,ppl are using it for almost anything included business n work lol

[half knot]

I don't think we do that in the US, do we do that? I think it's all iMessage lol

Not even WhatsApp is that popular here...

I know WhatsApp is very popular in Europe for everything.

[opaque torrent]

WhatsApp for me/my work def

[acoustic valve]

i was using discord for my 1st marketing job, but it was a small advertising firm

[opaque torrent]

when i canvass for bernie sanders we used slack

[half knot]

Slack and Teams do get used a lot for actual work related stuff

[opaque torrent]

there are so many apps but whatsapp the most common in the companies i've worke for

[acoustic valve]

yeah whatsapp most* common AU/US from my experience

[half knot]

It is funny how many of these platforms are controlled by tech giants. FB Messenger, IG, and WhatsApp all under Facebook/Meta's umbrella, iMessage under Apple, and Google can't make a messaging app to save their lives. Teams and Skype part of Microsoft. Slack might be the only independent one, or rather bought by Salesforce now.

[acoustic valve]

if u think about it, korea and china are pretty much the only countries outside of US that has a somewhat healthy domestic industry for online platforms and services. afaik anyway

[white arch]

In America (South/Central), WhatsApp is used

[half knot]

Japan is fairly separate too, but they've always been their own little island of platforms and entertainment.

[white arch]

[valid sierra]

learned nothing from apple incident, looks like they were really pushing to send other group to the apple opening event but i guess apple wants newjeans only?

[waxen musk]

More Korean culture context. Not sure if worth posting. https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGe9oLGtf/

[harsh dove]

@yunjibaik

[waxen musk]

Yeah Apple wanted NJ there because of OMG having Hanni be Siri.

[pulsar steeple]

[ocean arch]

What apple incident?

[dry atlas]

wow nice makeup vid

[upper solstice]

Hello

[dry atlas]

hi net

[upper solstice]

u guys see that tweet about it being weird that the members visited mhj

[acoustic valve]

it can go in my pile of "I think it's creepy and inappropriate that mhj did thing that everybody does" pile

more views than the population of korea soon

[dry atlas]

which one is that

[tawdry vessel]

visiting someone you care about and checking on them if they're okay is weird? have people lost their fucking mind

[nimble stream]

Bro visited his friend

[half knot]

Also back at debut, people were being weird about NJ members visiting MHJ house. Her house is like a mini museum of music and art and culture, I want to visit too.

[acoustic valve]

the ground zero tweet afaik

[hoary frost]

all speculations, theories etc getting out of hand tbh. i guess hybe will have to dump some news monday morning

[half knot]

I am not sure one can even address this kind of rampant grassroots conspiracy theories lol

If anything, statements have the potential to make things worse at this point given the prevaling view is that everything HYBE is saying is a lie or bullying or mediaplay.

[hoary frost]

they will address only mhj stuff, that's the main issue and only thing can change public opinion

what happens after report is filed to police? they investigate, get statements

and if something is found, its forwarded to prosecution?

[acoustic valve]

personal theory: the only reason I think hybe hasn't used the grooming stuff as mediaplay against mhj (afawk at least) is because they know it would blow up in their face and that their entire team of male execs have far more skeletons in the closet and they'd implode if a wider witchhunt happened. Look at what happened after just half a day of digging into bsh and hybe ceo with some random ass cult shit

[hoary frost]

its just baseless. mhj can sue for character defamation

[half knot]

also probably because there's likely no merit and it has the potential for a huge slander lawsuit.

[hoary frost]

sk defamation laws work like magic

[acoustic valve]

hmmm also true

[half knot]

That kind of life altering character assassination even if it comes with truth is irrelevant in the eyes of their defamation laws yeah.

[opaque torrent]

no victim has come forward. just jealous netizens who are jealous she's close to their faves

some of the stuff is just straight up made up but its repeated so many times its the truth

like the portrait of the nude WOMAN on her wall

[hoary frost]

why are there some conspiracy theories about OMG...everyone needs to chill a bit

[upper solstice]

i wonder if they replace nj with a college basketball team and mhj with a college basketball coach, would they still have an issue 🧐

it had like 42k likes last time i saw which was sad 2 see

[hoary frost]

no bc there is presumption that mhj is problematic. all narratives including ETA controversy came from this mere presumption.

[half knot]

to be fair, for a topic of this much interest, 42K views are now small time, so I wouldn't worry about it too much

[hoary frost]

is it recent

[half knot]

when you have cult tweets getting 40M+ views, clearly the machine has gone out of control lol

[acoustic valve]

as I've said somewhere else, it's an insidious claim that's impossible to shrug off once people become deluded enough because it's impossible to prove you're not something. Reminds me of the way people harass lgbt teachers or smth with these claims. There's literally nothing they can say that could make people drop the accusations or convince them otherwise, because they've alrdy brainwashed themselves into believing it's true.
Now smiling at someone becomes trying to seduce someone, and so on, the made-up evidence just continues to pile on itself until they think it means something, when none of it does in the first place.

[half knot]

I kind of assume HYBE was eventually going to go for that angle as well as others like her being single or childless, because that's just how the old men in that country operate with their misogyny, but I'm glad it's gotten to the point that such a thing will just make HYBE look worse.

[upper solstice]

https://x.com/minjiskiss/status/1783416631890210816?s=46&t=SzRfOpMudlAAyqADLDVAPA

melody ⛧ (@minjiskiss) on X

a child showing up to their bosses house to comfort them is WEIRD! like this relationship is inappropriate and nobody can tell me otherwise

Twitter · Apr 25, 2024, 8:43 AM

[acoustic valve]

knetz been clocking the ass out of international kpop fans with mhj confernce being intentionally mistranslated everywhere, so hopefully they're alrdy somewhat prepared and very sceptical with whatever Inetz try to bring up to drag her, which will happen the more Hybe is actually hurt

[hoary frost]

they need to somehow sort this out or all this will not stop until olympics

[hoary frost]

they should change their @

[lucid yarrow]

i dont why ppl they think nj calling her thier mother is wierd when everyone in korea call each other big/younger bro/sis is not?i thought it to show respect if she was closer to thier age they just call her older sis

[hoary frost]

what do you expect from kpop stans? they always have to insert their narratives and twist it for their agenda

[mild stratus]

guys, yall kinda going off-topic again. and yall should stop linking brainrot twitter kpop stans

[hoary frost]

real

kpop stans parroted same thing since nj debut and its not gonna change even if u provide reasonable arguments. it is what it is. its bs and not worth getting worked up on

i hope we have peaceful morning tomorrow tbh

[cerulean sail]

https://imgur.com/U13pHy3

[steep torrent]

just scroll through their acc and you'll see they just want hit tweets lol

[cerulean sail]

My Modani angel, that's right

[torpid tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/touching-grass-touch-gif-21219969

[hoary frost]

I hope the girls are not checking SNS. thats my only wish

[torpid tinsel]

impossible

[hoary frost]

[torpid tinsel]

the cult issue is now a trending issue in korea

[hoary frost]

welp

[half knot]

it does feel like poetic irony though given HYBE pulled the shaman card first

[opaque torrent]

Bang: Why can’t I have cultist friends??

[acoustic valve]

maybe if he consulted his shaman first this wouldn't have happeed, just sayin

[steep torrent]

how did we go from alleged insider trading to a whole ass cult

[half knot]

issues like that seem inseparable in Korea

[brazen ice]

hold up, theres a cult involved now? lmao

[half knot]

even their president was involved in that kind of thing just a decade ago, which led to her ouster eventually (not for that reason but still lol)

[torpid tinsel]

even the mistranslation/fabricated issue that was spread by the troops fandom is trending in korea

[half knot]

this whole issue eventually will do no good for the kpopsphere as a whole

and will only increase/widen the divide between kfans and ifans

[acoustic valve]

but yeah, cults do have their branches in everything in Korea, if you dig deep enough, there's always a cult behind any large enough org. Most of the time it doesn't mean much... but sometimes... and it's that slim chance which ignites stuff like this

[hoary frost]

right. thats why it should have never escalated to media war

shortsighted management

[half knot]

Even the reason Japan's ex-president Abe was assassinated was because of a Korean cult.

[hoary frost]

awful response to crisis

[brazen ice]

ha, i was in a few of that cults meetings lmao

[white arch]

Wut

[torpid tinsel]

they thought they could easily get away with it by using/involving their loyal troops

[half knot]

Unification Church really is huge and widespread, yeah

[steep torrent]

did she really say this? i dont remember reading it in the live updates site
https://x.com/bbitbb_/status/1784463974660251959

🕳️ (@bbitbb_) on X

mhj: “they’re the ones doing witchcraft. that’s why they’re trying to corner me. bc THEY’RE DOING IT. by nature no one thinks like that unless THEY are the ones doing it.”

Twitter · Apr 28, 2024, 6:05 AM

[white arch]

What did I miss, why yall talk about cults?

[opaque torrent]

also no one cares mhj was asking her shaman if bts were enlisting... the whole nation was lol

[brazen ice]

i actually do not know

[acoustic valve]

yeah, I know some people in australia that went to unification church too

[tiny peak]

i thought she meant media play and manipulation, but who knows

[opaque torrent]

noooooo

[white arch]

I dont remember hearing/reading that

[brazen ice]

i think its the worry of her saying confidential stuff to the shaman

[opaque torrent]

thats a fair point

[torpid tinsel]

one of the fabricated translation by the troops fandom

[acoustic valve]

here's a good rule of thumb: Don't believe a single thing you read on twitter about what mhj said or did, go find one of the official translations from a korean source if u rly want to confirm, but otherwise everything on tiktok n twitter is probably false

[opaque torrent]

but bringing up bts was trying to pit fans against her when it was a very banal question

[steep torrent]

the entire thread is just using twt screenshots 😭

[half knot]

lol a feedback loop, twitter craziness translated then interpreted and spread

[hoary frost]

shareholders must be fuming fr

[torpid tinsel]

that's why you shouldn't jump in if you don't know korean. learn to observe which is right or wrong

don't pick any sides yet, observe first

I love this topic, I'm gonna use this on our group reporting next week

[steep torrent]

is it possible for someone rich to just come in and buy ador or not

or would that be bad

[acoustic valve]

tbf, the media literacy of kpop fans is alrdy close to zero, combine that with a cultural and language divide? Literally just chaos where nothing is realiable, so a pretty normal day in the kpop space

[hoary frost]

can anyone remind me how was hybe going to make mhj shares cheap? there was article iirc

[white arch]

Ill buy it.

[hoary frost]

we will open gofundme

[acoustic valve]

no, not unless there's some further big development that may make hybe want to do this, but we're nowhere near that yet imo

[white arch]

LOL

[opaque torrent]

she debunked that dispatch article about her temporary post at source music and why ador needed to be created for newjeans to debut. also said she had nothing to do with gfriend disbanding.

said the plans to seize management were venting among friends bc everyone knows its impossible.

said the conflict started with source music and the inception of ador but suggested that blatant plagiarism was to dispose of her after using her for so long. and admidst all of this, shes also renogiating her contract to make the non-compute clause less ambiguous.

said her shaman is like a therapist, which she also has thanks to hybe lol

these are the main points from her press conference. none of them sound as wild as hybe and their weird ass stans are making it seem to be

[torpid tinsel]

I'll donate 5 bucks

[mild mist]

Just going into court and smacking down the 'no u' card

[opaque torrent]

she said hybe has given newjeans/ador the cold shoulder and likes to meddle in their business and hybe refuted this by telling everyone they did the bare minimum and wrote press releases

[hoary frost]

dispatch should stop getting involved. theyre so biased towards hybe. those Dicon magazines must be nice!

[half knot]

it's also on fans and audiences that take dispatch's word as gospel on every single issue...

[torpid tinsel]

they're being quiet rn

[hoary frost]

dispatch always takes side in every issue

[opaque torrent]

dispatch powertripping after ruining the lives of 5050

[tiny peak]

you had to write lots of press releases for your most popular girl group? like what are those numbers even supposed to mean

[half knot]

which makes you wonder if HYBE had a hand in that one, given their close relations and good coverage dispatch provides for them

[opaque torrent]

i have a very love/hate relationship with dispatch tho. they have their moments of stepping in and helping wrongfully accused celebs but they're at their worst when they take sides of companies

[acoustic valve]

It's the nature of rags like Dispatch, they do just enough actually objective investigative reporting to get some credibility to push their actual forced media play articles. Similar to every other publication tbh, even ones like NYT or Financial Times

[lucid yarrow]

all ad click must be through roof these days

[tiny peak]

BBC tried to use dispatch for mediaplay against Chuu but it backfired spectacularly

[hoary frost]

i was baffled. what does that prove? nj had so many achievements in 2023. they deserved 1k articles

[half knot]

it's actually an admission that they did bare minimum lol

but also interfered to take opportunities away if they could get it

[hoary frost]

also they brought up pledis and bighit articles? why not source or belift

[opaque torrent]

right some of the stuff thats said by hybe side, ppl treat as like huge wins... like their finally replying to her complaint, while she was being ambushed by the audit and subjected to a public execution by the media

[half knot]

in terms of ownership structure, Source is the most similar to Ador, but we can see just how much Bang PD and HYBE have tried to insert themselves into all Source and source group affairs since acquisition

[opaque torrent]

its like weaponized incompetence, they did it just to say they did

[hoary frost]

bang pd oversees 6 groups of hybe. he has hands in everything. thats why mhj told him to stop getting involved

[half knot]

I think there's a prevailing misconception in society that rich and successful people are also necessarily smart and competent people... and while it is sometimes true in certain aspects, it often isn't a universally applicable qualifier...

[opaque torrent]

mhj is a hallyu icon while some sexist gamer who put his company in the negatives makes just as much being a sitting head

i hope that HYYH plagiarism thread blows up... i need to know if its true

[mild mist]

Now if that could get proven in court...

[dry atlas]

Bro i just ate

How is there so much yap already

[steep torrent]

how this cult theory is sounding
https://x.com/N2WJNS/status/1784448757624451540

⋆ᡣ𐭩˚ KIYO ˖ ࣪ ☘︎ (@N2WJNS) on X

Knetz are sounding like this rn

Twitter · Apr 28, 2024, 5:05 AM

[acoustic valve]

oh god, I found out he was a lead at Nexon today, so many things makes sense. Legitimately a world famous games company for being awful in everyway possible, from treatment of staff to predatory pricing tactics used to gouge gamers

[brazen ice]

who was a lead at Nexon?

[acoustic valve]

current hybe ceo

[half knot]

some real parallels between the predatory gacha pricing tactics in Korean games to kpop inclusions and POBs and such...

[hoary frost]

a lot of hybe executives are from other industries

[ripe mango]

me as a gacha addict I see that as a win jks HAHAHA

[half knot]

but your wallet will never recover from this

[lucid yarrow]

plz dont bring rng pc to nj

[hoary frost]

hybe's goal is to be tech company, but their main business and operations is still rooted in ent business. kakao is tech corp and thats their image even if they have labels in music industry

[acoustic valve]

mhj's comments on the state of kpop and it's predatory practices was also extremely popular with knetz

comments from the press conference*

[hoary frost]

thats why hybe employeed a lot of former gaming industry workers

[mild mist]

Park Jiwon (not the good one)

[half knot]

as far as anybody knows, Kakao Entertainment (the subsidiary of Kakao Corp that has all the music labels and production companies) really doesn't interfere directly in every sublabels' business and try to insert themselves or take credit for every creative direction...

[steep torrent]

anyone know what date the apple event was

[half knot]

it was end of March 2023

[dry atlas]

Bts txt lsfm enha illit whats the other one? &team?

[opaque torrent]

i have a friend that said hybe took issue with nj endorsing apple bc most hybe artists are samsung ambassadors? is that true?

[hoary frost]

ye

[half knot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1231839760759263232/1233941466439487498/Screenshot_2024-04-28_at_8.42.33_AM.png

dates

[hoary frost]

yes there were kakao talk screenshots

[half knot]

we wouldn't know, but it could explain some of the friction about apple in OMG MV and the apple event.

HYBE has strong ties with Samsung chaebol and Hyundai chaebol

[opaque torrent]

yeah i posted them but for sure the reason behind the convo wasn't bang pd and dan world haha

[regal frigate]

Where's the kakaotalk screenshot

[opaque torrent]

they better be careful with that hyundai association. it's a legit BDS target

[short laurel]

Everyone in that thread needs to go back to school 💀

[half knot]

I only found a machine translated version with faded hangul in the background

[steep torrent]

wonder if that threat was the reason there was a lot of security with them this day 🤔
https://x.com/Attention0515/status/1640953115884265472

𝗔𝘁𝘁𝗲𝗻𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻! (@Attention0515) on X

#뉴진스 ㅎㅎ

Twitter · Mar 29, 2023, 5:44 AM

[half knot]

there WAS a lot of security that day, yeah, and they blocked basically all fansites

[steep torrent]

interesting

[short laurel]

Usual Dispatch. They ruined soo many relationships too

[half knot]

||was karina dating news reveal just a month after the girl even met the guy HYBE's signaling to dispatch too?||

these kinds of questions will be asked a lot now

[acoustic valve]

those kinda articles used to be mostly about sm... oh how times change

[dry atlas]

What

What guy signaling

[half knot]

people are questioning everything dispatch reports that seems to contain zero negative coverage of HYBE content, and after aespa crushing katalk screenshot, some are suggesting Karina dating news reveal by dispatch just a month into the relationship, which was very uncharacteristic, shortly before their planned comeback, was a HYBE negative marketing campaign.

Anyway, totally offtopic, just everything is getting out of hand. I'll probably sleep, it's the weekend, long week ahead that I won't be able to follow kpop stop during. Hope it all resolves before NJ comeback.

[acoustic valve]

I would've doubted a week ago, but now, after knowing what we know and seeing how BSH feels about other groups and competition with cold hard proof? Entirely plausible... very sad... NJ is last group I'm stanning in kpop

[dry atlas]

Gts

[brazen ice]

im pretty sure every company looks at competition that way and talk about stomping others. But doing smear campaigns (like hybe allegedly), i dont think so

[short laurel]

It makes me laugh when fans says company is bad but still support company cuz have to support the group members. Giving company more money to start another group. I feel like that's part of reason why industry become sooo bad.

N soo many things on hybe on soo big scale. If even little of that is proved true. Hybe is done

[acoustic valve]

I just think its because capitalism... and because men like BSH tend to thrive in this system, people that rise to the top tend to be ruthless and slightly sociopathic because those traits are rewarded, it is what it is

[brazen ice]

oh ye you cannot be that level of rich without being an absolute dickhead lmao

[short laurel]

N law makers doesn't do anything to control them. Making it worse. Like soo much of laws are just bad

At what time stock market opens btw?

[acoustic valve]

its ok, mhj will bring the revolution, some in korea are praying she can slay the dragon called hybe like a medieval hero

9am KST

[short laurel]

Thwt would be huuuuge if she's able to. N honestly much needed. Big companies in korea needs to be scared of public opinions

Sad for other artists but it's needed for everyone

[acoustic valve]

I'm just praying for the NJ girlies... please stay strong, safe and united in this storm

[short laurel]

Hybe has 16 hours of dmg control. Korea Pension must be really really mad

[acoustic valve]

if the theories are true, cult HQ must be more mad

[short laurel]

I feel like that unification cult almost big enough to become religion according to what i m reading

Man there official religions that are smaller...

[brazen ice]

i live in a small irrelevant country, if i had experience with it then yes it deffo is very big. But religion level? dont think so

like it still feels obvious its a cult

what is the cult theory anyway?

[short laurel]

Yea cuz it started very recently compared to other religions so current gen feel that way. Bit on the scale n power they seem to have according to internet. They not far. There are legit religions much smaller in scale but have loong history

[dry atlas]

cult https://x.com/bbitbb_/status/1784454147212996894?s=46

🕳️ (@bbitbb_) on X

-hybe cult trans-
something f*cking scary relating to hybe has been surfacing
gfriend album name = walpurgis night
walpurgis night = day witches are burnt (4/30)
gfriend’s disband = 5/1 (op fixed it saying it’s 5/22 but said 5/22 is the day the cult changed its name to 단월드)

Twitter · Apr 28, 2024, 5:26 AM

[dry atlas]

havent read this but it's here if people arw curious

lmk if there's something better, cba to backread

[short laurel]

R u sure gfriend songs are related to bang ? I find this just fan taking things over the top

[brazen ice]

i feel like the connections are a bit of a reach lmao

[neon kelp]

yea I thought so

[brazen ice]

i wouldnt be surprised if they are connected to some cult. But we just dont have actual evidence to back it up

[neon kelp]

who said that lol

[tiny peak]

bang was involved with the gfriend albums quite a bit

[short laurel]

Yea chances of cult is high since it's korea but details on it are just fanfiction 💀 for now

Ooh dam he was? Gfriend disbandment seems more sus now

[tiny peak]

if this is true, the constant mention of "providing counseling" for NJ members in the HYBE press releases is scary

(i don't think it's true though)

[short laurel]

Even without it. Providing counseling is huuuge NO. No corporate company should be forcing others to their own counseling. They should just provide funds for counselor of employees own choosing. Within limit ofc.

[acoustic valve]

i need jeon wick to stay with the girls no matter what, he'll protect them from the cultists

[gleaming scarab]

[tawdry vessel]

jeon wick is a hybe employee tho

but he's one of the good ones

[hoary frost]

right. even knetz trying to connect omg mv with the whole thing is reach. first, mhj would never use nj work to call out hybe, second omg mv screenplay and direction was completely done by mv director as mhj gave him full creative freedom.

i feel like knetz are trying to just link anything to this issue, even if there is simple coincidence

[errant osprey]

Bro why do we have cult business involved in this when this is a corporate fight 💀💀

[hoary frost]

this is why public opinion war is double edged sword. it harms all sides involved

[acoustic valve]

this comment sums up how I feel if Hybe indeed doesn't have any evidence beyond those chatlogs for this apparently "breach of trust"

[torpid tinsel]

bro 50m views

[tawdry vessel]

they're also deleting comments on omg mv

[gleaming scarab]

deleting comments a bit strange

[acoustic valve]

yeah i saw several korean accounts that been posting bout the hybe saga this past week get yeeted on twitter... but that may just be normal twitter things or mass reports, not sure

[dry atlas]

fucking power of love

[cyan rivet]

Wtf is happening now

Pseudo-religion?

[hoary frost]

https://x.com/kchartsmaster/status/1784504481914220890?s=46&t=lncf7vo09FEx5ZDvXg81LA

Kpop Charts (@kchartsmaster) on X

HYBE reports to Sports Donga that they are currently “looking into” various allegations raised online in regards to the company, such as hoarding judgment, concept theft and cult association.

https://t.co/78fhtJ6RQX

Twitter · Apr 28, 2024, 8:46 AM

[acoustic valve]

https://tenor.com/view/popcorn-gif-26924114

[copper jetty]

Are they also gonna do an internal audit about it 😆

[tired ingot]

I miss newjeans members so much, I hope this fu*kin drama will end soon

[acoustic valve]

we'd probably have had a live of them singing the song alrdy if not for this

[copper jetty]

Yeah same. If not for this hanni would've gushed about the baby cows to us already.

[acoustic valve]

officially more views than south korea has people...

[lucid yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/futurama-cult-gif-25342307

[tired ingot]

they even didn't update phoning pict

[acoustic valve]

tbf, i think it's a good idea for the girls to stay as offline as possible rn, for their own wellbeing

[tired ingot]

yahh i get it, but I miss them

[errant osprey]

For what

[valid sierra]

tomorrow is monday, which means stock market is open again

[rain spade]

wait so what's going to happen with hybe and ador/mhj

[hoary frost]

police is handling the case. we have to wait for development

[valid sierra]

its not hybe and ador/mhj anymore. its hybe and korea

[short laurel]

Deleting YouTube comments is only going to strengthen the idea of cult. If part of comments deleted are not toxic in nature n can be simply put as mv theory, then it can't be mass reporting that deleted them. I m more n more thinking cult is involved

Which makes the comment of counseling by hybe even scarier

[rain spade]

this whole thing backfired on hybe i guess

[acoustic valve]

the og tweet that started cult theory

dunno bout no cult, but if god is real please protect the girls

[cyan rivet]

It's like watching the Truman show

How could this happen? Also the comments on omg

[vapid bronze]

Wth there's a cult now?

[short laurel]

When can shareholders sue bang n vice ceo dude for damages. Loss of 1 bill won is not small. (Yes bang n vice ceo caused this loss)

[acoustic valve]

ur like 12 hours late... but yeh...

[vapid bronze]

Ion check much, I just need summaries of what's going on lol

[acoustic valve]

oh wow they yeeted the account that translated the OG tweet

only gonna make people more suspicious

[steep torrent]

idk but found this article and its an interesting read.. they are even in the us(?)
https://thepostcalvin.com/if-it-feels-cult-y-it-might-be-a-cult/

apparently they rebrand a lot

[vapid bronze]

[acoustic valve]

oh yeah cults are like a huge issue in korea.... this beyond kpop now, u got armys and hybe stans fighting korea cult hunters all over knetz on every platform

[steep torrent]

also another one from 2010..
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/the-yoga-cult-250955/amp/

looks real but the theory its connecting to hybe and the mvs is a reach imo

[short laurel]

N twter n reddit users still think that this is just another fandom war.

[acoustic valve]

the OMG MV theory is mostly debunked... but yeh, still lots of people suspicious of the rest of it. I'm just eating popcorn as long as it doesn't harm NJ

[acoustic valve]

yeah they convinced MHJ has the resources to hire bots and to astroturf... ??? Never doubt a kpop stans ability to divorce themselves from reality completely

[short laurel]

What about bang's teacher in business. He talked about him little in his interview with bbc about sm. Must be someone high position in cult

Lsm seemed close to him during that time. dam he could be too..

[cyan rivet]

If there is an article about Hybe's religious issues in a foreign country, please mansion me immediately. There are no articles posted in Korea

[short laurel]

All. kpop haven't posted anything?

[cyan rivet]

Only one.. https://sports.donga.com/ent/article/all/20240428/124692837/1

[short laurel]

Considering how much drama they love. I thought they would post like 1000 articles already

[cyan rivet]

Comments from Omg and many Korean communities are talking about this, but no articles have been made.. this may also mean that it has a great connection with politics

[arctic sky]

No this thread has become a cult thread

[valid sierra]

wtf is happening? did mhj ever mentioned that she doesnt want sakura in her girl group???

i thought she only said she only picked minji from source music (which was way before sakura arrived in source music) and that NJ supposedly to debut first before le sserafim

[short laurel]

Yea u are right. She nvr said anything baf about kkura. It's just Twitter fans lacking common sense n oulling things from their ass

She did mention kkura n chaewon but positively. She said zero negative words about idols.

Mention of their name was necessary to explain her relation with bang so there was no avoiding it according to what i understood.

[valid sierra]

now they are blaming us? when it was all their fault. damn things are very messy now. hope all the artists are okay

[acoustic valve]

see, stuff like this is why it will keep spreading, the more you blatantly try to suppress a crazy theory... the more it reinforces to the people that take it seriously that it actually is true.

[short laurel]

90% info we have is just false info from stans on twter n reddit who likes to be mad n hate at 0 reason. 9% info is assumptions from what hybe n mjh shared. 1% is leaks.

[acoustic valve]

unless u havent noticed, international fans attck nj and mhj for everything, literally, best just to ignore it all

or at the very least to not take any of it srsly

[steep torrent]

has there been any other translation of the press conference or is that one in pinned the only one

suddenly everyone on twt knows what mediaplay and a smear campaign is and saying to stop spreading misinformation, but when it was mhj...

[short laurel]

as if mhj has enough resources for mediaplay againsts hybe.

[opal zodiac]

https://twitter.com/tikkitokki22/status/1784530180956102732

TikkiTokki (@tikkitokki22) on X

🔴POLL - MHJ Press Conference🔴

Notes:

• I know there are mistranslations/twisting of words, but a subbed video is unlikely to stop peoples confirmation bias
• It will take time to sub due to complex words/phrases
• There are other NewJeans content we are subbing

(continued...)

Twitter · Apr 28, 2024, 10:28 AM

[arctic sky]

oh the post gets taken down

[cyan rivet]

I'M SO SCARED

We cannot guarantee the safety of mhj...

[old cypress]

what's that?

[rain spade]

What's happening to her?

[torpid tinsel]

oh this is a good content

[steep torrent]

the thread that started the cult theory

[old cypress]

sheesh, deleted now I assume?

[steep torrent]

60 million views now
https://x.com/guiltyarchive/status/1784319765810667759

길티아카이브 (@guiltyarchive) on X

하이브 관련 존나 무서운 이야기 나옴
여자친구 앨범 이름 = 발푸르기스의 밤
발푸르기스의 밤 = 마녀를 불태우는 날
여자친구 해체일 5월 1일
르세라핌 데뷔 5월 2일
마녀를 태우고(해체) 다음날 세라핌(천사)가 데뷔함

• 1년 간격은 있지만 이해편의상 말한거임

그리고 민희진 주주총회 4월 30일

Twitter · Apr 27, 2024, 8:32 PM

[old cypress]

that's insane lol

JYP is a cultist so I wouldn't be too surprised if his student is taking after the master

[torpid tinsel]

I feel like this cult issue is a smear campaign, like the antis/different agency/label are the one behind this taking advantage of the hybe vs mhj drama

[old cypress]

I'm not a fan of these kind of allegations but 60M views is crazy

[hoary frost]

can't wait for this to be over so i can enjoy nj content without stressing over what might happen tomorrow

[brazen ice]

the whole cult thing is hilarious tho. Like this entire situation keeps taking a turn i do not except. So unpredictable lmao

[old cypress]

people are talking about OMG MV a lot but that MV was directed by shin wooseok with full creative control

[brazen ice]

I think its a similiar situation to ETA. People just making random ass connections that like sure ig? Congrats but like you can make connections about something completely different as well. You can always just find smthn and make it fit a narrative

[arctic sky]

https://www.koreaboo.com/news/min-hee-jin-girls-generation-style-14-year-old-photobook-designed-ador-ceo-gains-attention/

I seen this photobook along time ago but nver knew it was designed by mhj lol

[old cypress]

A lot of people said it was their favorite photobook and they're now learning that it's a mhj one

[arctic sky]

it was a legendary at that time for sure

[valid sierra]

https://twitter.com/itsopet25/status/1784499642140631109 here is the simplified version of the clt thing

Opet| Maniac (@itsopet25) on X

[FULL EXPLANATION THREAD]

In the days following Min Hee Jin's press conference, rumors about Bang Si Hyukand HYBE's involvement in an organization believed to be a cult have been making their way through online communities in Korea.

The organization in question, called 'Dahn…

Twitter · Apr 28, 2024, 8:27 AM

[old cypress]

shin wooseok be like

[valid sierra]

ig this is the reason why he doesnt work with kpop

[steep torrent]

crazy how its always his mvs too lol

[outer canopy]

what's sajaegi? I saw smth about Hybe and "sajaegi" and I have no idea what that is

[old cypress]

chart manipulation

[outer canopy]

Ooohhh is Hybe being accused of that rn?

[hoary frost]

man is never going to do another kpop mv even for nj.

i know he feels dumbfounded every time new theories come up about his mvs

[outer canopy]

Also what's new? Apparently there's something about cults or something???

[hoary frost]

yeah it was posted above fjfjfj its all over twitter

[old cypress]

knetz are bringing back a court case from 2015 (or 2017?) about bts and chart manipulation. I don't know the full story so I can't really tell you what went down

[hoary frost]

bighit won that case

[outer canopy]

aint that crazy 🤯

If stuff like that against Hybe keeps on getting released I lowkey see hope here

But idk Ive heard Hybe would try to vote her out on the 30th? I'm not sure how that works

[old cypress]

30th is the ADOR board meeting. The entire ADOR board is on MHJ side. I'm not sure what is supposed to happen that day

[grave bough]

how thing look legally for NJ ?

I am scare that the drama keep affecting the girls.

[outer canopy]

oooooh okay

[outer canopy]

I think ultimately they'll have to stay with Hybe. It's more of a Hybe vs MHJ legally than Hybe vs NJ

[valid sierra]

https://fxtwitter.com/PoppyKPoppie/status/1784420669201190935
really pulled out a reverse uno card there

[arctic sky]

https://x.com/eunhas_buddy/status/1784501396177383850

回:Galaxie⭐ (@eunhas_buddy) on X

Pannchoa being down overlapping with Hybe's biggest scandals is not a coincidence, they took out one of the biggest translator sites beforehand to keep the international side unaware but this whole ordeal became bigger than expected, min heejin press conference changed everything

Twitter · Apr 28, 2024, 8:34 AM

Makes sense

[hoary frost]

we can all use google translate like pannchoa does

[old cypress]

pannchoa is a megaphone but nowadays koreaboo does the same

[hoary frost]

pannchoa allkpop koreaboo are all same

[old cypress]

surprisingly allkpop didn't share many fake news this time around

[short laurel]

i get posters point. and i get everyone replies point too but people hating on this thread is so stupid. why does it matter if pannchoa is good or bad. the fact that it went down at this timing is sus. good site or bad site information is information. it being down at this time only making hybe more sus and people are missing that point.

[valid sierra]

whoever thought of #newjeans_are_everywhere, needs a raise rn

[dry atlas]

damn maybe the shaman saw the future

[steep torrent]

armys saying its mhjs fault that bts and all these other groups are getting hate when it was hybe who released the info about her going to a shaman lol

[hoary frost]

hybe did mediaplay for 3 whole days, its just mhj turned out to be crazy. honestly all the info leaked to press..was it necessary? its clear they did not see this coming

they will address everything again tomorrow. i can see them blaming this to mhj and saying this was her plan all along to make ador empty shell. whatever the hell they claim

[old cypress]

ador empty shell means newjeans leaving ador

[hoary frost]

right

[short laurel]

no matter how much they blame mjh. the fact all this went out in public. no matter what the situation is. it was internal audit not external audit. there was zero reason for it to become public. i really wonder if there is anyone who'll look at hybe as sane business after all this.

[steep torrent]

keep seeing people say its because hybe is listed as a public company and it involves multiple shareholders and investors. how true is that? im not very knowledable there..

[old cypress]

ADOR is not a public company though

[valid sierra]

public company means its a listed company where anyone can buy part of the company. bang pd owns i think around 30% of the company, the rest are owned by other people or companies. Hybe as a whole owns 80% of ADOR and the other 20% owned by mhj and other executives

[steep torrent]

omg rising bc of this 😭
https://x.com/hyegums/status/1784563357313294447

۟ (@hyegums) on X

literally a CULTural awakening

Twitter · Apr 28, 2024, 12:40 PM

[old cypress]

such a gem

[reef dawn]

💀

[short laurel]

hybe is public and even if it was private. with the way they started this it'll be insane person who would work with them. atleast that's what i think. but well thier groups are popular

i think i repeated what i said yesterday above.

[steep torrent]

oh i think they had to go public with the audit

but they could have just waited for the results and disclosed that, instead they wanted to do some mediaplay mentioning groups and it backfired on them

also notice how dispatch hasnt put out anything related to this whole cult thing even tho its so big over there

[short laurel]

what reason? i can't figure out why they would go public

[hoary frost]

they could have disclosed audit results after it was conducted. shareholders would be notified privately anyways

[kind hill]

Why is omg mv getting botted comments

[old cypress]

It's impossible to tell for certain because it depends on the korean regulations on disclosure requirements

lol 72k comments ? holy hell

[hoary frost]

really?

[old cypress]

bubble gum no longer the most commented mv now

[hoary frost]

tff

ig comments are being deleted bc of spam and bots

i feel sorry for shin wooseok

[old cypress]

lmaooo poor guy

[hoary frost]

literally

[gentle sedge]

omg whoever's running those bots really has it out for hybe lolol

wait my name is blue now

[short laurel]

yea that is after. but they did be4. that's what i m troublign to understand and find extremely stupid of them.

[old cypress]

they wanted to destroy mhj

[short laurel]

by distroying their own shares? they could've destroyed her after the audit and case was done.

[opaque torrent]

I’ve seen legal opinions saying it didn’t need to be announced, esp with so little evidence at the point it was being announced, and/or they could have been vague about it. Instead it was a whole smear campaign about how she was leaking medical records and trainee identities to hurt HYBE’s public image

Oh and that she was ungrateful despite stealing trainees

[orchid field]

*x https://x.com/cakedegg/status/1784332850520834320?s=46&t=FGOk5JcS6vsxMTTizzNPiQ

[harsh dove]

@CakeDegg <t:1714253077:d>

[copper jetty]

Yeah they needed to actually announce the audit but you didn't have to announce while ongoing. They could've announced it after but here we are.

[opaque torrent]

I now believe in shamanism. Because bang pd’s cult getting exposed is too funny

[hoary frost]

[copper jetty]

That shaman is working overtime for MHJ. I hope she's paying premium

[hoary frost]

https://x.com/cakedegg/status/1784561844491071969?s=46&t=lncf7vo09FEx5ZDvXg81LA

Cake🍀 (@CakeDegg) on X

HYBE released a statement regarding the alleged fraud by Min Hee-jin. The keyword "misunderstanding" was used in the initial statement, but it was later revised to "strengthened awareness" and then revised again to "judgment"

Twitter · Apr 28, 2024, 12:34 PM

what does that even mean

[copper jetty]

Exactly my question

[steep torrent]

was gonna send that too

[hoary frost]

not to grasp on straws but im confused

[copper jetty]

What the hell... can someone explain in this to me like I'm dumb

[hoary frost]

article being revised does not say anything tbh

[steep torrent]

people are saying that the whole alleged thing from the beginning was a misunderstanding?

[serene cloud]

This is gonna fall more on Monday

[opaque torrent]

Probably trying to be aggressive and appear confident in their alleged case against her but also avoid a lawsuit for libel lol

[hoary frost]

we cant confirm this based on one article revision unless official statement is published

[copper jetty]

So basically hybe jumped the gun and really did the media play and smear campaign.

[old cypress]

80k comments in omg mv now

[sudden frigate]

Peace talks?

[grave bough]

what this mean ? does the drama will stop ?

[old cypress]

ngl i don't understand this tweet

[hoary frost]

i doesnt really confirm anything tbh. we will have to wait morning news

[sudden frigate]

Hope HYBE tracks back and let NewJeans be at peace

[torpid tinsel]

where is pannchoa when we need them the most

[dry atlas]

nvm hidden

[orchid field]

honestly ya they should just suck it up

[old cypress]

mel we need to hire a korean translator here

[dry atlas]

talk to tikki

[copper jetty]

I just used Google translate but I don't know how accurate it is

[old cypress]

https://n.news.naver.com/article/015/0004978135

prob need to read the article to understand the forum post

[torpid tinsel]

apparently they're deleting the comments under OMG mv

직원들아 너네들이 이 광기를 이길 수 있을거 같냐? 밤새 지워봐도 무용지물임ㅋㅋㅋㅋ 사람들 눈 번쩍 뜬 채로 끝까지 댓글 남기고 있을거니까ㅋㅋㅋ 적당히 하고 퇴근이나 해라

translation:

Employees, do you think you can beat this madness? Even if you try deleting it all night, it's useless lol People will be leaving comments until the end with their eyes wide open lol So take it in moderation and go to work.

[short laurel]

them calling it misunderstanding wouldn't that affect the case. since it's about breach of trusts. wouldn't court be asking them this contradiction ?

[dry atlas]

does anyone have a good article about the analysis of the judge turned lawyer

[old cypress]

Okay i got it now. In that article it was initially written that there was a misunderstanding between hybe and mhj that triggered the whole thing. But the article was later changed from "Hive's misunderstanding grew that CEO Min was conspiring to usurp management rights by refusing to extend his tenure and only insisting on excessive compensation" to "Hive determined that CEO Min was conspiring to usurp management rights by refusing to extend his tenure and only claiming excessive compensation."

i don't know why the tweet is talking about hybe's statement. It's a news article, it doesn't mean anything

[short laurel]

ohk

or is it that these accounts are actually paid by hype in the past. they were told news articles are their statement so they thought this article is hybe statement too.

[old cypress]

https://www.kmib.co.kr/article/view.asp?arcid=0020042225&code=61121311&sid1=soc seems good

it's from a facebook post, so maybe we can find it

[dry atlas]

ty

[old cypress]

the fb posts

google translate

[nimble stream]

100%

[opaque torrent]

https://www.facebook.com/hyungon.lee.3

[old cypress]

kek the aespa bit

[stone grotto]

can someone explain what hppaned with them changing it from 'misunderstanding' or 'raise awareness' or whatever from their statemtn?

[old cypress]

it's just a news article #1231839760759263232 message

[tawdry vessel]

omg mv has almost 100k comments now

[old cypress]

jesus

[dry atlas]

hehehehe

[copper jetty]

Is it just me or is it a coincidence that the members came online whilst the cult thing about hybe is viral topic??

[tawdry vessel]

https://m.blog.naver.com/jieun247/223430015433

a naver blog about the cult thing

long and very detailed

[dry atlas]

very much coincidence

it's more of a reach than the cult issue itself

[copper jetty]

[old cypress]

lol CBS stands for Christian Broadcasting System

[opal zodiac]

hey guys, need some help. can someone objectively tell me if any of hybe's long ass responses to MHJ's press conference invalidated anything she said in the conference? like for example the issue of NJ's debut being held back/promise broken or something, i heard hybe say that isnt true and MHJ's timeline is wrong. (or is it still he said she said at this point, which i assume is most likey as all the real evidence will be given to the court?). im going to review the entire conference tmrw and also read the hybe statements but wanted to get your thoughts too

how valid the conference is still, as a point of discussion. do people suspect that everything from this point on will be done behind closed doors? therefore the conference + hybes last statement is all we'll have until we get results from court?

[dry atlas]

give it a few hours and the resident yappers will be awake

[old cypress]

if i may yap, we know that :
1- hybe promoted lesserafim/sakura as min heejin's group
2- the "slave" contract is real

The rest is he said, she said and it'll probably never be proven

[opaque torrent]

no bc knetz found old articles of hybe trying to promote sakura as being a part of MHJ's GG https://x.com/soyamoyas/status/1784213463432303010 / https://m.pann.nate.com/talk/372455013?currMenu=search&page=1&q=민희진%2520사쿠라

bernice | 🫧#WELOVEYOUNEWJEANS (@soyamoyas) on X

Hot topic in pann…

Netizens are digging up all the mediaplay hybe did in 2021 about mhj’s girl group

They are angry that hybe did this to Sakura (they are hating on hybe not Sakura) because they lied to manipulate and take advantage of her fans

https://t.co/lApifLI2z1

Twitter · Apr 27, 2024, 1:30 PM

yes and a korean economic paper said the slave contract is real, straight up refuting hybe https://n.news.naver.com/article/015/0004977897?sid=101

the shaman is also real and cursed bang pd bc now his cult affiliations are exposed

(semi joking)

and, at this point, the prevailing legal opinion is that hybe doesn't have a case to support their claim of "breach of trust" https://kwnews.co.kr/page/view/2024042811300314073

[acoustic valve]

From my personal understanding and from reading comments the last couple days on Knetz:
The rebuttal from Hybe doesn't definitively disprove anything in MHJ's press conference with proof, it more provides plausible deniability to the claims she made. But this shouldn't be too surprising, as much of MHJ's conference was similar in that way, it's hard to definitely prove claims such as "Hybe was intentionally sabotaging NJ's promotions". Ultimately, whether people side with MHJ or Hybe on most points will depend whom they give more charitability to and in this point in time most of Korea is with MHJ if for no other reason than because she delivered it in a genuine manner. Whereas Hybe just released a 5000 word document of corporate jargon and excuses.

As to my personal thoughts on how this develops. I think Hybe will want to let this die down in the public now, they went hard and fast with making this a public issue with mediaplay to end it quickly and it backfired. I assume they don't have much more dirt to use on MHJ since otherwise they would have used it already. Hard to imagine they were holding back whilst they were looking at the situation develop into what it is rn; a worst case scenario for Hybe as far as public opinion goes.

Of course, I could be wrong. I didn't see most of the developments of this saga coming at all.

[orchid field]

when this saga is over strawberryjamdream will be known as the biggest nj defender here LOL

[acoustic valve]

I just hate corporations with a passion, but I find corporate drama intriguing

[opal zodiac]

tysm guys for the input!

[tired ingot]

newjeans omg mv 100k+ comment

what happened?

[errant osprey]

Bots going crazy

[hoary frost]

people having rich imagination and bots wilding

[mild mist]

'then hybe is doomed'

[nimble stream]

I lost the track after the cult thing

[mild mist]

there's not been too much since then. Tune in after about 9 hours for some stonks news, and hybe panic

[rain spade]

Please crash more

[nimble stream]

So people accuse Hybe of being cultist is that correct?

[serene cloud]

i think it's more bang pd??

[acoustic valve]

kinda both, the theory was that hybe was used to push BSH's cult and that they're trying to destroy MHJ because she refused to push the cult using nj content... unlike the other artists under hybe. Lots of wacky theories around, quite entertaining if you can remove urself from it all

[serene cloud]

yeah i'll stay away from that for now, seems odd

[old cypress]

ppl are saying it's mhj bots and mediaplay

[tiny peak]

by "ppl" you must mean ...

[orchid field]

two steps ahead it's hybe posting as mhj media play so hybe can double mediaplay it and frame mhj

[tiny peak]

i-fans don't realize how worked up the korean public is over this

[orchid field]

fr i just saw some people being hung over the bts/lsrf thing today which is pretty outdated

[tiny peak]

the korean public thinks HYBE is using bots or dirty tactics to censor them

[old cypress]

ifans on twitter of course

[tiny peak]

which explains the spamminess and some of them might be using bots of course

[acoustic valve]

tbh that's just standard, every org that has the resources will employ some form of that strategy, whether it be tech companies or governments

I'd be surprised if they weren't using bots to clean up as much mess as possible, it's just a matter of how much the nozzle is being turned on

[tawdry vessel]

then how do you explain omg climbing up the charts

[upper solstice]

whats this omg and cult thing

[tawdry vessel]

here @upper solstice

[upper solstice]

thank you

[sudden frigate]

The girls are posting/replying on Phoning. Could that indicate that it will be fine?

[brazen ice]

Ye itll be fine

[opaque torrent]

https://www.koreaboo.com/news/everything-newjeans-related-in-conspiracy-theories-hybes-alleged-cult-association/ i think this is a good breakdown

really amusing

https://www.koreaboo.com/news/hybe-bts-illit-gfriend-txt-lesserafim-dahn-world-yoga-ilchi-lee-cult-evidence-conspiracy/

the snippet from the Rolling Stone article 😭

[copper jetty]

Didn't know that beenzino was supposed to be in BTS.

Ngl, they missed on that

[short laurel]

where's dispatch. still no article ?

[serene cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/seulgi-elyswisnoto-red-velvet-kang-seulgi-smile-gif-18315067

[copper jetty]

Can I ask a question? Was the hybe audit already done? Did they post the result of the audit?

[short laurel]

seulgi!!!!!

[short laurel]

nope. still on going.

[acoustic valve]

They're under no obligation to reveal any of it, if they do reveal any information it will be for strategic reasons. The only way we're ever going to get a somewhat objective idea of the information gleamed from the audit is if this case goes to court and information is publicly revealed that way

[final crane]

Hi guys, a question, at the MHJ press conference, did she mention that Hyein was the one who cried when he called her or was it Haerin?

[acoustic valve]

hyein cried

[brazen ice]

Hyein cried for 20 mins and wanted to do phoning live. She said haerin is silent but still called her

[acoustic valve]

Some Koreans are whipped up in a massive conspiracy theory, and OMG's lyrics and MV was at the center of it for awhile (I think they moved on now), so a lot of Koreans just started listening to it, probably mostly out of curiousity. What alternative do you think makes more sense? That either Ador or some nefarious organization is trying to push the song up the charts with bots because.... i have no idea why rly

[copper jetty]

If it does go to court then we'll see the details but if this doesn't go to court and hybe withold the results of the audit, and if no one goes to jail while making the audit itself public then what does it all mean??

[short laurel]

it's pushing their prerelease down. bubble gum needs support!

[short laurel]

people won't trust this internal audit.

[copper jetty]

Or people won't trust hybe

[short laurel]

that is why people won't trust this internal audit.

it doesn't matter at this point. hybe is permanently damaged. and they asked for it.

[copper jetty]

They completely effed this up

[acoustic valve]

I think it's safe to say that if no one goes to jail it means nothing illegal was found in the audit. I'm not sure why they'd reveal any audit results in that scenario... but it would almost certainly be a bad move by hybe.

[final crane]

Ohh thank uu

[final crane]

Thank uu

[mild stratus]

its hilarious that hybe started all this and it backfired

[acoustic valve]

newjeans karma, never misses and always hits back hard

[copper jetty]

The fact that in the previous press release hybe allegedly says that they already found evidence of her trying to take over Ador but if they did, why would they even ask MHJ laptop at that point? When they already have it? I don't get it?

[brazen ice]

for more evidence ig

[copper jetty]

To substantiate their previous evidence? Doesn't that mean that what they have isn't enough?

[brazen ice]

better to have even more cuz why not

[short laurel]

or plant evidence to make their claim true.

[copper jetty]

MHJ should've been advised by her lawyers to have a copy of what's in her laptop to prevent that or something like that. I don't know how they do it though.

[short laurel]

ofc they must have now. but it started be4 lawyer came into picture since it was internal surprise audit or something or so she claimed ????? i m confused

[copper jetty]

If that did happen couldn't she sue hybe?

[short laurel]

ofc if it goes to court fake evidence implanted is easy to prove. but they tried to out her be4 court at that point public opinion towards would win? SK is weird idk

it was be4 all this become public and we still have no idea what actually happened.

[acoustic valve]

Going by the facts we do know right now, my personal judgement of what is the likely case is that Hybe unleashed an ungodly amount of mediaplay in a short amount of time in order to shock and intimidate MHJ into stepping down willingly. This strategy would have worked on most label heads, but they didn't account for MHJ being so crazy and stubborn that she would fight back with everything she's got. Because in truth it's not really the most rational thing to do. She's risking a lot by going through this.

I'm not sure why they're not even hinting what kind of proof they have beyond some text messages, it's not like they were shy about revealing those text messages in the first place. But as always, we will see, I doubt this is anywhere near the end of this dispute and there'll be more developments yet

[copper jetty]

Yeah, there was a lot of media play by hybe in the first few days but it kinda backfired on them now which is funny. Ngl.

Also MHJ seems to be a person proud of her work and stubborn enough to defend them so idk what those hybe execs were thinking.

[acoustic valve]

You'd think so, but judging from the press con, she also genuinely looked like she was close to breaking and giving up, and indeed could've if one or two things had been different. Thing is, when pushed into a corner with no other choices, people can often be unpredictable. Impossible to tell if an individual will fight or flight until it actually happens sometimes...

Who knows, maybe if the girls never called her or the parents didn't show their direct support she would've just chosen to give up. Anyhow, can't travel back in time to find out eitherways

[orchid field]

the documentry when all this is over will be crazy

[copper jetty]

Which is kind of sad when you think about it. What would make a proud person like MHJ almost break down?

[brazen ice]

someone breaking her pride lmao

[acoustic valve]

Hybe...

[orchid field]

big corporation vs passionate artist type of angle

[hoary frost]

hybe gonna news bomb us in the morning

[orchid field]

i wonder if all the lights are on at hybe rn

[hoary frost]

are we ready

[hoary frost]

only PR and legal teams working overtime i fear

[acoustic valve]

if I was a rational person I'd assume hybe would focus on defense first and clear up this weekends cult fiasco... but who knows, they kinda crazy and vindictive it seems, they might go back to attacking ador for the sake of it

[brazen ice]

im sayin bro, this shit is so unpredictable

[copper jetty]

Yeah cause first it was company take over audit, I don't know how the hell did we go from that to a cult

This is my first time stanning a KPOP group and ngl, this might also be my last group

This just added years to my life

[short laurel]

She has to live with sooo many allegations by kpop stans even be4 this drama. It's crazy how strong she is.

[orchid field]

first it was company takeover audit, then a bunch of random slander and then they received back the same random slander