NJZ Updates and Discussion

[unkempt roost]

"In other words, Newgenes is an IP created by Beom Hive, not an IP developed by CEO Min’s individual capabilities." I think this is a bit disingenuous

But the rest of it is kinda like obvious, everyone has been thinking about it. The opinion piece is not the first one to say that

[acoustic valve]

https://www.newstomato.com/ReadNews.aspx?no=1228106&inflow=N yeah ok the hybe media spin is turning up now, sus editorials popping up left and right. This one implying that because each NJ member made more income in 2023 than the entire Ador board combined, it shows why MHJ wanted to leave. Simultaneously setting up both the girls and MHJ and "pitting" them against each other.
When in reality, the real question that should be asked is how much the other executives (all male) are making in Hybe and comparing it to that. Comparing artist and CEO income is absolutely stupid and ridiculous, especially since MHJ has direct control (to a degree) of NJ members' earnings in the first place.

[unkempt roost]

[west osprey]

that's pretty yucky, using the girls' income as a token for posturing

[unkempt roost]

These "industry insiders" are sus

[lucid yarrow]

all i need are MHJ/Hybe statement all the other new sites can go to hell making stuff up out of thin air left and right

[prisma ferry]

I just Hope NewJeans Stay for few years until they finally Decides to Disband

[nimble stream]

So mhj herself said source was the resource?

[white arch]

wait what happend now?

[simple ledge]

Yeah the insider thing is sus

[unkempt roost]

Not really, it's mostly tracing back timelines and deducing from previous actions

[nimble stream]

Oh ty

[unkempt roost]

Which I don't think can be denied, but it is also disingenuous to say that Ador stole resources when something must've been agreed upon for her to do that

Is this timeline true? I thought it was implied that it was 22nd of march https://twitter.com/tmikpop/status/1782972116721107208

TMIKpop (@tmikpop) on X

I made a mistake in an earlier post. The dates are all in April.

25 Mar - ILLIT debut
3 April - first email was sent by VP Shin
16 April - MHJ sends email with 23 deadline
22 April - BELIFT responds with their 6 page reply

Twitter · Apr 24, 2024, 3:17 AM

This whole thing started on 22nd april right? So what's the point of responding with that 6 page reply only after they've started that audit

[simple ledge]

Just articles digging through potential motives and scenarios, nothing concrete

[primal sage]

It started April 23, the day after. April 22 was a day before the deadline

[unkempt roost]

What I meant was that the audit was filed on 22nd Apr

[slender jungle]

that or shes grooming them lol

[primal sage]

woahhh

[acoustic valve]

wtf u on about

[unkempt roost]

Grooming is not the right word

[tiny peak]

???

[unkempt roost]

Influencing maybe

[hoary frost]

LMAO IS UR PFP THE RECENT CHAE AFTER COACHELLA POST

[slender jungle]

aight mbad
wrong vocab

[tiny peak]

oh my god i'm done

[nimble stream]

what

[acoustic valve]

ohhhh, also possible, tbh i haven't really given it much thought. doesn't seem too significant either way

[unkempt roost]

[mild stratus]

bro, we told u about it in newjeans chat and u still posted it here for clout. dont complain now

[unkempt roost]

Ah ok nvm it doesn't matter in this case since MHJ said that she didn't receive it in the ador statement which came after the reply was sent and receipt is confirmed

[steep torrent]

everyone is quoting the original post it started already 😕

[twin cypress]

Wait what are you talking about??

[waxen musk]

Things were deleted by mods sorry the context is missing.

Don't worry about it.

I'll delete it too to remove confusion.

[acoustic valve]

it's such a non-issue... because it means nothing whether it's true or not, doesn't change what is already the likely scenario. It's just a source for drama, gossip and hate

[twin cypress]

Honestly if it don’t come directly from hybe or ador then it probably is a clickbait article from an “insider”

[acoustic valve]

its ok guys, we got astrology to tell us the secrets that are hard to know

[waxen musk]

"i feel like we are seeing power struggles"

NO SHIT

[nimble stream]

no shitt

[acoustic valve]

its when you feel it, that's when u really know, ya know?

[waxen musk]

I feel nothing

[gilded tapir]

i feel bad for the girls. it feels like they're the kids in the middle of their parents' messy divorce

[unkempt roost]

Man predicting what is already happening is not predicting bro

[waxen musk]

They will have to do everything planned for the next month or two just as if nothing is happening. I can't imagine what that feels like for them. BUT Bunnies will be there for them supporting them.

[dry atlas]

im not allowing the pics posted by hyein (and related tweets, articles) here or anywhere else

it's just gonna lead to fanwar

[waxen musk]

I think at least saying about the hopeful actual meaning (Haerin and Hyein being playful) is worth putting out there. But yeah let's leave that.

[dry atlas]

stop talking about it ashbash!!

[unkempt roost]

Anyone good in Korean here?

[acoustic valve]

it will suck, but life stops for nobody and things just go on. For better or worse, I feel like the girls are now truly "growing up" due to being stuck at the center of this chaotic mess and having to navigate through it. I'll be here to support them eitherways

[unkempt roost]

"대신 쏘스에는 그동안의 트레이닝 비용을 전달했다. " means that MHJ paid back the training costs right? Not that Soumu paid the training costs?

Idk why theseoulstory and tmikpop is translating the latter way

[dry atlas]

that's what i understand yeah

she got the trainees by repaying the training fees

[unkempt roost]

https://twitter.com/theseoulstory/status/1782978191063196036

The Seoul Story (@theseoulstory) on X

• Min Hee Jin chose trainees from Source Music, and all five members were transferred to ADOR. The training costs were paid by Source Music.

• As a reward for her success with NewJeans, HYBE allowed her to buy ADOR’s stock at low prices, instead of stock options, in 2023.

Twitter · Apr 24, 2024, 3:41 AM

[acoustic valve]

former

[somber pumice]

hello @waxen musk check dm

[dry atlas]

technically it's not false

source did pay for training costs WHILE they were under source

[unkempt roost]

https://twitter.com/tmikpop/status/1782988289940570587

TMIKpop (@tmikpop) on X

A different article misinterpreted the original Dispatch article. dispatch says that Source absorbed those training costs. Ador did not pay for the training of New Jeans. (The dispatch article tone is pretty scathing)

Twitter · Apr 24, 2024, 4:21 AM

[acoustic valve]

technically not a lie, but a lie by omission. Could be an innocent mistake, or intentional, I'll let u judge

[dry atlas]

but with context,,,, yeah

mmmm meh

[nimble stream]

In other news, spotify stole from newjeans

[dry atlas]

critical thinking guys

[unkempt roost]

I'm confused with these translations lol

[dry atlas]

and reminder, get off this thread when it's too much

[nimble stream]

This is literally phoning

[dry atlas]

ok but off topic

[ashen charm]

You can probably scrap 2025 as ador will have to start from scratch when mhj is gone not to mention the trauma the girls has from once best friends with a ceo to foes

[regal frigate]

Y'all is it true that every hybe group is going to disband?

[somber pumice]

no lol

[acoustic valve]

yes

[regal frigate]

WHAT

[acoustic valve]

crazy ikr?

[hoary frost]

[unkempt roost]

Nah every kpop group is gonna disband

[unkempt roost]

Technically the truth

[waxen musk]

I'm just talking about what's already pre-planned for the next two months. Everything beyond that hasn't even been made public let alone do I know about if plans are set in stone post-June.

[hoary frost]

today is 24

[regal frigate]

And today is afternoon

[tiny peak]

AKB hasn't disband yet

oh right that's not kpop

[simple ledge]

They probably still have contract obligations to complete unless someone pays the fees

[dry atlas]

damn put it on the schedule

[steep torrent]

they found the email for the reporter that wrote "that" article lol

[regal frigate]

When is this gonna end 😭😭😭

I don't want every hybe group disband

[waxen musk]

lol

[hoary frost]

only teaser im getting today i fear

[lucid yarrow]

if bts was still around could they have solve this with a nice dinner

[regal frigate]

Invite them in

[acoustic valve]

I hope the press release is just Ador plugging NJ's Bubble Gum MV tomorrow, biggest promo W

[regal frigate]

True

[waxen musk]

tomorow? I wish

But yeah I just need them to give us some hope

[regal frigate]

Maybe 😕

[serene cloud]

It's 2 pm on the 24th in kr

So it might be any moment now

[mild mist]

'a legal legal person' - gotta love translation software

[valid sierra]

*x -c https://twitter.com/tmikpop/status/1782969879156380019
millionaire within a year damn, rich rich girls

TMIKpop (@tmikpop) on X

2. News Tomato estimates that the New Jeans members were paid 5B each last year while the Ador execs only made 4.8B collectively so it is easy to see why MHJ would want to set up her own company
   https://t.co/A1tnOYQA9j

Twitter · Apr 24, 2024, 3:08 AM

[harsh dove]

:warning: Tweet with id 1782969879156380019 does not contain any media!

[valid sierra]

but doesnt make sense, mhj was given stocks which is more valuable

[mild mist]

Good on the members though, get those dollars

[simple ledge]

sometimes things like brand deals pay more directly to members

and those are estimations so who knows if it’s real

[tiny peak]

i think they meant you can't compare compensation, because she has stocks, which I don't think is counted

[dry atlas]

only use bot if there's media on tweet

[valid sierra]

i mean the reason why mhj want to set up her own company. it doesnt make sense because the executives were given stocks, which is more valuable

[tiny peak]

yeah that didn't. make sense at all

[simple ledge]

Only mhj was given the option to buy stocks, no one else

What’s valuable depends on what people want out of it

[acoustic valve]

I mean, I think it's a fair assumption mhj does want to set up her own independent company. The issue with that article is somehow using NJ's income as a reason for why she'd want to. Comparing artist to CEO income is stupid, it should be compared to other executives under hybe, which that article coincidentally makes zero mention of. Also, MHJ has direct control up to a point on how much compensation NJ is earning for their activities, why would this be a source of complaint or jealousy for her? whether intentionally or not, a lot of the media are taking pro-hybe stances

[acoustic valve]

technically no, the other ador* board members own a combined 2% of ador shares, mhj owns 18%, combined its 20

[simple ledge]

Dispatch article shows the 18% was bought by her

[acoustic valve]

I'd assume the other board members had similar options to purchase 2% of shares and exercised it. So technically mhj wasn't the only one

[hoary frost]

its to paint newjeans as greedy and spoiled

[valid sierra]

hybe media play method is like adding fuel to the fire. so really cant trust anything twt is saying

[acoustic valve]

yup

[hoary frost]

obvious mediaplay to put them in same light as 5050

[simple ledge]

It doesn’t say that but who knows

[hoary frost]

mhj should have created her own company from the start even if it were nugu company with less funds, she could easily attract investors. there are a lot of examples out there. still there would not be current newjeans and i love my newjeans so im thankful that she created it in current form. 😂 idc what nj picks, i will support them and them only.

[nimble stream]

"News Tomato"

[hoary frost]

https://x.com/kpop_herald/status/1783006884213244074?s=46&t=lncf7vo09FEx5ZDvXg81LA

they dgaf

[waxen musk]

focus solely on the comeback?

[hoary frost]

teaser today

[nimble stream]

cool

[waxen musk]

i mean they have to but weird wording, obviously it's not only focus

[simple ledge]

I think people only want statements from mhj not ador lol

[hoary frost]

they want statement from nj to pick sides

they should just proceed as it is. hybe running one sided mediaplay

[sinful arch]

they just want something to hate the girls over

[short laurel]

Hi. I saw twter last night claiming gfriend disbandment on mhj. Is it true or false?

[hoary frost]

false

[short laurel]

Ohk

[hoary frost]

she did not have power to do so. gfriend stans will blame anyone but source music ceo

mhj also denied it two years ago that she had any involvement w gfriend. her only connection with source seemed to be plus global audition

[short laurel]

I thought they did blamed source music. Just now everything is blamed in mhj n hard to know which is true n which is false article 😭

[lucid yarrow]

when the dust ever settle and none of this stuff are true i hope she sue all those news sites

[hoary frost]

she will be blamed for global warming soon

[short laurel]

Scary how misinformation coming from these so called professional news sites

[simple ledge]

You can just focus on the articles about just the audit if everything else is too much

Last update on that is mhj needs to turn in her laptop and that’s it

[short laurel]

Ohk

Thank you

[acoustic valve]

better late than never to realize all media, even "professional news sites" peddles in misinformation one way or the other. Will help you get better at sniffing them out and interpreting them for whatever salient information they offer.
Still far better than random social media ramblings on the whole though

[valid sierra]

crazy how mhj has always been blamed for absurbed accusations

[hoary frost]

sudden hyein/newjeans smear campaign is insane

[lucid yarrow]

we in kpop land eating strawberries can get you cancel

[hoary frost]

wth is kmedia even doing

[short laurel]

Yea ik. But this time it's just too far false. Like can get sued false. Far warse than what i m used too.

[lucid yarrow]

its clickbait season this is hottest topic the more fuel u can add to fire more view and whatever insider source uncles cousin dog have

[simple ledge]

mix in mistranslations and it’s a headache

[hoary frost]

this is officially the most promotion this cb has gotten so far

[nimble stream]

Pretty sure news sites even changes fates of countries

[waxen musk]

Ngl I’m finding it really hard to distract myself during this. Watch random videos listen to music doesn’t matter my brain is locked into thinking about this and it’s a problem.

[hoary frost]

ikr. its stressing to think that nj future is up in the air

it could develop in either way. the worst thing is they are young girls who entrusted their dreams to adults and everything they do or say now is used against them

[valid sierra]

most promotion since debut

[hoary frost]

none of the sides will back away and hybe wont shy away to get rid of them if it blows up and nj will not choose them. the thought of this just scares me

[acoustic valve]

just remind yourselves that no matter what happens, things will work out one way or the other and the girls will be perfectly fine. No matter what happens here, they can't remove everything they've already done and achieved. I'm sure any sensible person next to the girls will tell them the same thing, and fans should remind themselves too.

[waxen musk]

You’d think Hybe wants NJ all for themselves but now the attacks against them start…

[lucid yarrow]

on 25th it will be reveal it was hybe big april fools joke

[hoary frost]

this is very optimistic view. negative public opinion can completely ruin a person and turn them into traitor. there are examples. we dont want this situation to escalate to that level and can only hope that girls and their image will be spared

but given how kmedia is moving, i dont think anyone cares about the girls or image anymore. they need to sue those journalists omg

[acoustic valve]

being an idol isn't everything in life. The girls are self-made teenaged millionaires, they shouldn't feel sorry for themselves no matter what happens, fans shouldn't either. They got their whole life in front of them and the freedom and resources to pursue whatever they want.

tldr; be positive, if for no other reason than it makes no difference eitherways

[hoary frost]

that's true. i hope everything ends in the best way possible for the girls, their mental health and their futures.

[half knot]

It's kind of amazing though if you really look at it from far back.

[somber phoenix]

exception is planning by Hybe

[half knot]

it's basically classic textbook hit piece after hit piece, HYBE really turned up their machines for this one for some reason.

What are they afraid of coming out that they are trying to damage ador, MHJ, NJ credibility to this level so quickly? Usually stuff like this is stretched over weeks.

[lucid yarrow]

i wonder if its not even hybe its other labels who see blood in water to stir shit up tinfoil hat

[half knot]

Maybe, but I don't think we can really look at any sublabel under HYBE system as truly independent.

[hoary frost]

they should have at least done this after audit results. if they planned it since last year, why pick such important time like newjeans comeback? it makes me disappointed

[hoary frost]

kbunnies denied sending the truck

ibunnies got no time for that either

[half knot]

lol they really turning it up to 11 on all fronts for this one

[nimble stream]

imagine being a truck driver but a kpop truck driver

[half knot]

hoping to get the results they want through pressure campaign

[hoary frost]

real fans would only say that they support newjeans

[valid sierra]

we love newjeans from ador not hybe

[white arch]

[somber phoenix]

I just unsubs HYBE

[half knot]

lol those messages look nothing like what kpop trucks normally say

Bunnies support HYBE as NewJeans' agency
Min Heejin, stop using NewJeans and their families
Min Heejin, stop slandering other artists immediately

yes totally legit bunnies writing that one.

[blissful mango]

hybe sending trucks to themselves

[acoustic valve]

https://tenor.com/view/fellowkids-steve-buscemi-kids-how-are-you-gif-5510636

[flint trout]

I need a summary of this

theres so manny to read😭

[blissful mango]

check pin, there's a TLDR

[lucid yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/vegeta-buu-dbz-beat-down-majin-buu-gif-17488884

[buoyant hamlet]

Hybe is throwing a ton of money out to media to control the narrative

[half knot]

it's not the mediaplay that surprises me

it's the volume and the frequency of it within just 48 hours

it's a LOT from all fronts.

[valid sierra]

*x https://twitter.com/NewJeans_ADOR/status/1783028120297296372
hybe and ador is on fire
newjeans:

[harsh dove]

@NewJeans_ADOR <t:1713942005:d>

[waxen musk]

Get used to them doing things as normal despite how weird it feels

[half knot]

groups have had to act normal in far worse situations, like losing members out of the blue and having appearances the next day

[ocean arch]

Damn that's rough

[neon kelp]

how is it going here?

[tiny peak]

wishing HYBE would shut up for a minute and promote the comeback

[half knot]

wishing HYBE would shut up. There's so much paid articles published from so many outlets, it's saturating entertainment news and leaking into regular news.

and pitting fandoms against fandoms.

their mediaplay/attack strategy is just like their group debut strategy. saturate the market and public consciousness with their side and their side only.

fully aware that the other side doesn't have even a fraction of the resources to fight back.

[tiny peak]

yeah it's honestly upsetting, because newjeans reputation is affected

[half knot]

exactly, it affects everybody involved, but it affects NJ the most.

it's well poisoning at this point.

they're purposely leaving no way back from this. salting the earth.

I really don't get why HYBE would do that aside from just vengence or vindictiveness.

[acoustic valve]

still perplexed why hybe is taking this almost scorched earth strategy, especially when the company and group they're damaging still belongs to them, and still will at the end of all this. There's some big details behind all this that we don't know yet, or maybe we'll never know depending how this goes

[half knot]

That's my takeaway as well. There's more to this and they want to use this pressure campaign to crush any chance of credibility or time to respond for the other side.

Otherwise why go so fast and so hard?

[acoustic valve]

my baseline assumption is that no corporate strategy is ever out of pure vengeance, vindictiveness, or any emotion for that matter. It's always about money, or at least what the people in charge think will give them the outcome that gives the best financial returns, their logic is not always perfect, the intention always is though

[half knot]

That's a fair assessment for sure.

HYBE already got MHJ's blueprints for at least a whole generation of kpop. They likely have already made many times what they invested into ador and newjeans, so it was worth it, and hybe knew she was worth it which is why they went out of their way for her.

but now, they can't have an eccentric free spirit within the corporate machine, that's a loose cog that can affect profits.

[acoustic valve]

she was a genius, just not at politics, which is arguably the single most important skill when it comes to powerful positions

[orchid field]

*tt https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSFvHn5ah/

[harsh dove]

@_zozee

[half knot]

the back shelf describes this person and their takes better than the content of the video

[hoary frost]

there are a lot of articles that try to say they are another 5050 and now hyein articles are pouring nonstop. even osen that usually parrots hybe have published article with similar title. its such a targeted mediaplay towards the girls themselves to threaten and pressure them

its same as attrakt too. they dragged 5050 image to mud, but all would be resolved as long as the girls would go back

hybe is doing same. they are intimidating them and turning public opinion against them knowing they are close with mhj, but if they choose hybe, they will spin the story and put out articles that uplifts them

[neon kelp]

it doesn't make sense tbh

what leaked documents???

and then mhj says illit copied newjeans

[half knot]

To be fair, anybody with eyes and ears within the kpopsphere already called ILLIT a NewJeans clone before and after their debut, whether loudly or in their heads.

but people thought this was expected and with ador permission given they were all in the same building and under the same umbrella company.

of course after the paradigm shift of newjeans success, a lot of inspirations and clones would come out.

[neon kelp]

mhj did tooked the same action before right?

when some other group copied newjeans

[half knot]

I don't think so, especially since none of them were really a threat to her group I guess.

This has been a long time brewing, we're just seeing it come to a simmer now out in the open.

[neon kelp]

well I saw a video that she tooked minor steps towards that

[neon kelp]

yep I saw those shorts from weeks that illit copied newjeans

I was busy with coachella performance of lsf

and then this suddenly came

https://youtu.be/qjWWOKjl_-I?si=PEaFADknmbXkQPCX

[half knot]

they're just having fun doing their jobs lol

they also probably knew this was coming well in advance

so plenty of time to mentally prepare

[neon kelp]

ig so

but even then I don't think anyone can be better then mhj for newjeans

[tiny peak]

yeah they definitely knew this was coming, poor girls, must be stressful

[mild mist]

Would they even need permission? You could always just use the 'oh we took influence from' line

[regal frigate]

https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSFv927fX/ I found this

[harsh dove]

:warning: TikTok Error: Internal Error: Unable to scrape POST data

[neon kelp]

https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSFv927fX

[harsh dove]

:warning: TikTok Error: Internal Error: Unable to scrape POST data

[regal frigate]

Is this true

[neon kelp]

miso bot stopped working

[acoustic valve]

the similarities between NJ and Illit is only an issue because both labels belonged to hybe, if belift and ador were completely independent of each other, it's a total non-issue.

[regal frigate]

What about newjeans who copied Japanese girl group name SPEED

Is that actually all true

[arctic sky]

https://WWW.VXtiktok.com/T/ZSFv927fX

[tiny peak]

i don't know if it's true, but attention was literally a y2k concept

[acoustic valve]

even more of a nothing-burger, speed is irrelevant and from another era
The similarities between illit and NJ is an issue to Ador because of competition and the potential to hurt NJ's brand in terms of marketshare; not because they're similar in and of itself

[tiny peak]

i'm sorry to say but illit copied all aspects of newjeans debut, it's not a still frame here or there or musical similarities

[half knot]

speed is a 90's group

newjeans came out blatantly as a 90's nostalga group with y2k fashion

surprise surprise they look like a 90's group

[acoustic valve]

Example: Imagine two hot dog stands opened next to each other and one copied the other's menu; not a problem
Now imagine the two hot dog stands belong to the same company, but that company owns 100% of one, and only 80% of another, now there will be a lot of issues that arise if they keep selling the exact same hot dogs, because the owner has complete control of both of them, but earns more from the one they own 100%; the minority holder of the 2nd hotdog stand will have legitimate concerns

[neon kelp]

its true illit did copy newjeans

u shouldn't copy anyone come up with your own ideas

[hoary frost]

if u actually watch speed mv, only similarity is stadium scene. rest is not even similar. jfjdkdkdkd

[tiny peak]

well copying worked, at least from a financial perspective, because they are quite successful

[neon kelp]

so does that mean illit basically didn't work hard enough??

[hoary frost]

thats not it

its not even their fault, but executives

[tiny peak]

oh no illit worked hard and their team too, very well done

[neon kelp]

I mean company

whatever their company is

[hoary frost]

belift

bang pd is chief producer and brain behind it

he is involved in both concepts and music making

[acoustic valve]

i wouldn't necessarily even call it an issue with belift; they just doing their best and they did well. The main issue is with Hybe and the fact they control both belift and ador

[tiny peak]

yeah i'm trying to imagine if SM had sublabels, and debuted a group that was very similar to aespa in concept, styling, debut strategy, music

[hoary frost]

id understand if newjeans was like 10 years old group and hybe wanted their new group to have same concept as nj did during their rookie days but nj is not 2 years old. image overlap means they have same target audience means their brand value is divided

[neon kelp]

that wouldn't matter even a bit
since we love newjeans more

hybe loses

[hoary frost]

no one can stop conpanies from getting "inspired". kpop follows trends, but it is unethical when it happens between sublabels under same parent company when one group is active and still rookie

[half knot]

and when it is so ....... blatantly obvious

to the point that one confuses it for the other if you have astigmatism lol

[acoustic valve]

belift has no obligation to consider ador's concerns. Hybe on the other hand very much has obligations to look after ador's interests, obligations that ador think hybe failed to deliver due to Hybe letting belift develop such a similar concept. That's the crux of the issue

[neon kelp]

https://imgur.com/a/hTCgvNl

[neon kelp]

it is unfair for ador

since they came up with their own ideas and concepts

and some company copies them

[hoary frost]

why is not such similarity between lsfm and nj? bc lsfm has concept that can easily draw line with newjeans concept

[half knot]

while it doesn't apply to kpop necessarily, there's something called design infringement, which is a type of IP infringement, and ILLIT/NJ case would qualify for it if they were other types of products lol

[acoustic valve]

it's kpop, everyone copies trends because they work, that's just reality and not much any1 can do about it

[torpid tinsel]

the plagiarism allegations won't even come out if hybe tried to talk about it privately

[half knot]

this SHOULD have been the direction HYBE went, a lot of debuts, a lot of groups, diverse concepts, something for everybody

[neon kelp]

no lol
their concepts are very different
lsf prefers more high bass songs like antifragile or easy

[neon kelp]

it needs to be stopped then

just bcs it's kpop that doesn't hide their mistakes

[hoary frost]

at first when comparisons came out on kside everyone said it was noise marketing. tbh i dont think hybe had good intention towards NJ if they valued their brand IP

this would not turn out like this

[neon kelp]

I don't think it's mhj's fault atp

the whole blame goes on hybe

[torpid tinsel]

both's fault

[acoustic valve]

I don't think Illit comes anywhere near the high standard of proof it would require to prove intellectual theft or plagiarism. But it doesn't need to meet that standard for ador when the company copying you also belongs to the same conglomerate that owns ador. It becomes a matter of ethical concerns in regards to hybe's company interests and priorities, Quite independent of intellectual theft itself

[hoary frost]

yeah

she called out hybe's shortsighted operating system that focuses only short term profits

[acoustic valve]

was funny and brutal ngl

[hoary frost]

i could never do that to my boss

[tiny peak]

yeah it's not wise to be so tactless with your boss 😭

as we can see

[neon kelp]

I don't think illit comes anywhere near newjeans even if they get compared

[mild mist]

Probably why they want rid of her so much

That and her stealing all the soap from the executive lavatory

[tiny peak]

but there was truth to what she was saying, HYBE is purely profit driven, and it shows by the way they've been managing their groups these days

[hoary frost]

i hope she hides NJ1 concept material and tracks before she hands over her computer to hybe

[neon kelp]

yea I hope so too

[half knot]

hybe is the very embodiment of hypercapitalism within kpop

[neon kelp]

and that sucks after the bts era

[half knot]

our own little gigafactory of kpop

[hoary frost]

its wild how closely kpop artists and companies are tied together. they're essentially perceived as one body. something absolutely different from western industry where u dont even know which artist is under which label

[neon kelp]

I don't think they even have a label

as most of them are solo singers in

[hoary frost]

some are independent yeah but most of the big artists fall under big3 sony warner umg

[neon kelp]

I mean eastern

[neon kelp]

u mean warner bros

[hoary frost]

yea

warner music

[neon kelp]

well either way I'm eating a cake lol

[mild mist]

Cake is good

[lucid yarrow]

https://imgur.com/9Hce8zq

[half knot]

all about money in the end... https://www.chosun.com/english/industry-en/2024/04/24/C3NRU2TWQJC6VMMN6ZIPTLW6KM/

Stock options sparked HYBE’s fallout with subsidiary ADOR’s CEO. Min Hee Jin had ADOR stock options but felt that her compensation was too small and that taxes were too big. HYBE then allowed Min Hee Jin to purchase ADOR stock at a discounted rate. Still, the two sides could not come to terms.

HYBE kind of played themselves here, I don't think there's any coming back from this for either side.

[mild mist]

Judging from all the crap that's coming out, hybe desperately do not want to take this to court. Why? Couldn't say.

[hoary frost]

last year they said they granted stocks because of ador's achievements to motivate label and employees further

how quickly narrative changes

[acoustic valve]

oh yeah, it plays a part, but I don't think it's the main issue here between mhj and hybe. It's the norm to ask for more money; executives, and even many employees at all levels are in a constant state of negotiation with the company for more money afterall. I feel there's some ideological rift in terms of what they each think would be the best way to develop hybe going into the future. But this is all mere speculation afterall

[half knot]

Chosun Ilbo/Chosun Daily is a pretty reputable newspaper, a bit rightwing but they wouldn't report something the way a tabloid does without doing their due diligence

[neon kelp]

guys what if mhj becomes the next owner of hybe

[hoary frost]

she cant even become owner of ador

[half knot]

HYBE will eventually be consumed by the Big 3 before they get too uppity on the world stage anyway

[tawdry vessel]

im putting all of my stocks

[half knot]

Big 3 being Universal, Sony and Warner

[mild mist]

I was about to say I don't see YG doing anything

[neon kelp]

hell no
everyone knows how their songs are like

all those cringe ass lyrics

and raps

[half knot]

they are orders of magnitude bigger than HYBE and if they see HYBE coming onto their turf too much, they'll destroy them and consume them 😄

like they have across most of the world already with hundreds of sublabels.

[hoary frost]

HYBE wants to compete with them thats why they purchased western labels Ithaca Holding, Quality Control, there is talk of new ones as well

[neon kelp]

and that would affect every single hybe group

[hoary frost]

but K-pop accounts like 0.X% of world music market share. thats why bang pd complained that K in kpop was limiting

its not mainstream genre and will never be

[neon kelp]

BTS
TOMORROW X TOGETHER
ENHYPEN
ILLIT
LE SSERAFIM
NANA
BUMZU
BAEKHO(KANG DONG HO)
HWANG MIN HYUN
SEVENTEEN
fromis_9
TWS
ZICO
BOYNEXTDOOR
NewJeans
&TEAM
Yurina Hirate

so many groups damn

[lucid yarrow]

be funny if hybe take over sm soon with same tactic

[neon kelp]

nah sm will be ruined

[hoary frost]

hybe has shares in sm. they already tried

they have like 12 percent

[tiny peak]

the crazy thing is newjeans was making strides in making kpop mainstream, i know so many people who dislike kpop because it's cringe, but love newjeans

[lucid yarrow]

im saying using so call MHJ tactic

[half knot]

now tell me how many existed before HYBE became HYBE

[neon kelp]

they are cringe themselves who says kpop is cringe

[half knot]

it's kind of funny looking back on this given MHJ is in half the video and she did all that https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbuAIAoBbO0

[neon kelp]

Idk lol

I wasn't even born

[tiny peak]

i dunno they just don't like the music

[half knot]

you weren't born in 2021? 😭

[hoary frost]

theyre coming for nj parents

[half knot]

not the wisest idea

also that machine translation almost gave me a stroke

[hoary frost]

ikr

[acoustic valve]

wow, truly disgusting, going after family members now. i spit on hybe's grave

[neon kelp]

haters are haters

they got no right to hate kpop
its another genre for music

just like pop songs

[neon kelp]

I was born in 2003

[half knot]

yeah big hit only became hybe in 2021

[hoary frost]

like parents of 5 families gathered and told ador to complain to hybe?

[neon kelp]

it seems so

[arctic sky]

paste the link here

[acoustic valve]

idol parents union

[half knot]

just import some funnel web spiders from australia, that'll be ador's counterattack

[hoary frost]

https://www.donga.com/news/Society/article/all/20240424/124623454/1

[sudden frigate]

What's new?

[neon kelp]

is that illit?

[hoary frost]

involving parents is nasty. they really want to paint them as greedy people just like 5050 case

[neon kelp]

what to expect newjeans are still teens
so it's likely they tried seeking help from their parents

[acoustic valve]

im not even on mhj's side, but with that article; I'm firmly anti-hybe, screw them. Trying to pressure and threaten NJ girls by slandering their parents in the media barely two days into this is some truly despicable shit

[hoary frost]

theyre saying parents made issue first

[half knot]

nearly 10% drop in 2 days in stock price

[neon kelp]

wtf

I hate hybe now

[tiny peak]

10% drop deserved, who would have faith in this clown show of a company

[half knot]

it's pretty vile behavior by any standard

[neon kelp]

screw them

[half knot]

and it just keeps going

[neon kelp]

but why hate the groups

[quick wadi]

I really hate reading this chat

[neon kelp]

it's not their fault

[hoary frost]

i hate reading new articles with ador and hybe in it

[acoustic valve]

misery loves company

[tiny peak]

like fine target MHJ however you want, but this is making me mad

[neon kelp]

mhj is not a object to be targeted lol

[hoary frost]

exactly

first girls, now parents

[neon kelp]

she is a person give her some dignity

[half knot]

this kind of press bullying when the other side really doesn't have the resources to fight back is just petty and domineering behavior

[hoary frost]

and public/knetz eating it up

i dont even want to check comments

[neon kelp]

oh screw them so much
they can probably go to hell and I don't even care

[tiny peak]

yeah I stopped consuming any social media the past few days, it's open season on newjeans disguised behind concern about "problematic CEO"

[dry atlas]

mhj submitted audit questionnaire : https://m.entertain.naver.com/article/241/0003346258

[acoustic valve]

tbh it's been like that since debut, it's just more blatant now

[neon kelp]

my god they keep writing hive and not hybe

[dry atlas]

oh it's a nothing burger nvm

just an update

[half knot]

mel you want to pin this one too

[half knot]

why does this need minute by minute update I will never understand tbh

just resolve it in house, these people are psychotic lol

[dry atlas]

how is this relevant

[half knot]

it's one of the latest updates behind the reasoning why the fight started

and it's a reputable news source

[neon kelp]

why so suddenly when we are so close to getting a come back

I hate this sm

[half knot]

what if it's all a marketing ploy

[dry atlas]

why did you delete

or was that me

lol

[half knot]

https://www.chosun.com/english/industry-en/2024/04/24/C3NRU2TWQJC6VMMN6ZIPTLW6KM/

[vapid bronze]

"We decided to troll majority for cb."

[neon kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/hanni-newjeans-newjeans-hanni-hanni-pham-0705ari-gif-26812856

hanni's punch incoming for hybe

[mild mist]

I reckon that daddy Pham could win the fight

[neon kelp]

daddy pham??

[rain spade]

finally no translation issues

[mild mist]

To rhyme with Hanni Pham

Just saying "Hanni Pham's da" wouldn't work

[vapid bronze]

[half knot]

just send dani's dad and a crocodile as backup

[acoustic valve]

imagine one of the girls just decides to live a normal life and start uni after this
"oh, you're starting kinda late at 20, what did you do during your gap year?"
"not much, I was just a member of one of the biggest pop groups in the world for a couple of years"

[dry atlas]

again, ping me if something needs to get pinned

i leave this thread sometimes for my mental health

[neon kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/hulk-angry-hulk-smash-pissed-off-mad-gif-16087208

another comrade

[rain spade]

what's the differece with stocks and shares

[mild mist]

Sounds like a haerin move

[acoustic valve]

virtually the same in most instances

[arctic sky]

stock is a broader concept while share specifically refers to individual units of ownership.

[hoary frost]

haerin will say she was a frog

im so worried tbh. it was fine as long nj and their parents were not directly dragged in, but now what? 🙁

[dry atlas]

all i see is mhj greed

the mediaplay might have gotten me

[hoary frost]

welp

[neon kelp]

I see everyone is greed except the kpop groups

[gaunt flame]

All i see is two parties have their own agendas and interests, and since both parties couldn't get what they want, one side made it public and this shit happened

[arctic sky]

all isee is a spammer

[torpid tinsel]

nj is growing so fast that the more they grow, the bigger shares mhj can buy, eventually possibly acquiring half in the future. does this mean hybe feels threatened?

[valid sierra]

after this, i dont want to see any "newjeans has no impact" comments anywhere

[neon kelp]

me either

[acoustic valve]

newjeans impact; around 1 trillion won

[vapid bronze]

[neon kelp]

but why with newjeans??
this didn't happened with bts

[tawdry vessel]

i hate hybe in every fibre of my being

[hoary frost]

it did

[neon kelp]

when

[hoary frost]

military

[neon kelp]

that's military bcs they had to leave

like this situation happened with bts??

[hoary frost]

stocks fluctuate a lot when there are circumstances present that might hinder company's growth or reduce its value or smth like that

[dry atlas]

who was hybe supposed to feud with with bts

[hoary frost]

bts leaving for military means their main breadwinner is gone

hence it affected stonks

[acoustic valve]

bang pd going schizo, leak slanderous articles to the media about himself
edit: replying to this msg btw #1231839760759263232 message

[neon kelp]

not really

[vapid bronze]

Self snitch?

[neon kelp]

and also jin is back now

[dry atlas]

going off topic there

[hoary frost]

bts accounts 80% or more of hybe revenue when theyre active. im telling you something that happened like 1-2 years ago when new groups were not debuted and shareholders and potential investors thought hybe relied too much on bts and were not sure how it would perform in the future due to military. thats why stocks fluctuate

sorry for offtopic

[mild mist]

False flag

[hoary frost]

back to ontopic

[neon kelp]

ohh

I didn't knew that

I'm not into kpop private matters I just listen their songs and done

[hoary frost]

healthiest approach

[neon kelp]

and supporting them

[half knot]

it def did, the BTS hiatus crash was insane

[neon kelp]

but I'm here in the newjeans matter

since they are my fav

[neon kelp]

yea I think so

[half knot]

it was like 30-40% of their value lost in a month right after BTS casually dropped their hiatus announcement in a livestream

which is reasonable as HYBE was still 80%+ BTS revenue at the time

[pulsar steeple]

[neon kelp]

I see

https://imgur.com/m6enSJP

[nimble stream]

My grandfather knows bts

[regal frigate]

What

[nimble stream]

I mean as an example to how popular they are

[pulsar steeple]

Yall prob not gonna believe me but my cat knows newjeans

[brazen ice]

W cat

[leaden stream]

bts txt under bighit, after school nuest seventeen under pledis

iirc bighit bought pledis before becoming hybe but i might be wrong

[serene cloud]

So no statement

I guess that's good

[brazen ice]

Ador said there will be no official statement today as they are focused on the comback

[mild mist]

Official ador statement - "go away"

[nimble stream]

Ador: "Im not real this isnt happening"

[acoustic valve]

which is what hybe's response should be as well if they wanted to protect their own image, that is if they weren't relying on public opinion to affect the outcome of a disagreement that should be settled in court. All assuming hybe's claims have validity.

[orchid field]

mhj really asked for more money and bang rly just said im gonna fire u

[acoustic valve]

executives and employees always ask for more money, its the norm. Highly doubt that this was at the center of their rift. Although, I guess it's possible if she was asking many times more than what is reasonable

[valid sierra]

browsing twt made me realize, hybe stans really exists. like they always say "i hate hybe as well" but proceed to worship hybe

[acoustic valve]

reddit's worse tbf, then again, imo reddit is almost always worse

[rain spade]

this is everywhere

[mild mist]

We talk about parasocial relationships with idols, but some have parasocial relationships with companies

It's bizarre

[rain spade]

i hate this youtuber, proceeds to continue to watch

[hoary frost]

you'd think they have shares in company or get paid

https://n.news.naver.com/article/449/0000273470?sid=103

great naming skills

hybe said they would prevent leaks yet are the ones leaking everything

i support ador independence lets go 🤷‍♀️

[acoustic valve]

hybe propaganda one after the other, I'm starting to think MHJ actually has a far stronger case than I thought and hybe is doing everything possible to make her give up before it gets there.
Or, this smear campaign will also preemptively cover Hybe's ass once they lose in court

[hoary frost]

mhj put out 2 statements and left

what does she have. theyre not doing anything and getting slaughtered one sidedly

[neon kelp]

the bizarre moments

[hoary frost]

ador statement on project 1945

[neon kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/eunsang-lee-eunsang-x1eunsang-x1-produce-x101-gif-21333461

[valid sierra]

personal doodle 💀

[hoary frost]

its so stupid to save such things on company laptops

if true ofc

[old cypress]

project 1945? lol

[simple ledge]

With all these leaks about what’s contained in the documents, if mhj wasn’t involved then she should have given up her laptop and make a statement about cooperating with the audit

There’s just gonna be more the longer she stays silent

[old cypress]

oh i saw something about that in the earnings report but the translation was too fuzzy

[vale grove]

Do we have any updates?

[old cypress]

check pinned i guess

[ripe mango]

https://x.com/hyeindolls/status/1783086971683840499

odessa ꕤ ★ °✩⋆˙ (@hyeindolls) on X

update for tokkis, she completed the audit but contents won’t be disclosed because legal reasons etc etc

Twitter · Apr 24, 2024, 10:53 AM

[simple ledge]

https://n.news.naver.com/article/277/0005410147

Also mentions board meeting on April 30

[vale grove]

Okay. Praying for the best outcome for newjeans

[old cypress]

people are defending hybe saying that they paid newjeans 3M usd each so they're the nice people lol

[simple ledge]

Nah it’s more like what mistreatment can ador claim hybe is doing to new jeans if they earn 3M

[hoary frost]

ador paid

not hybe lol

[old cypress]

of course it's ador, it's just newjeans share of the profits

has nothing to do with hybe at all

[hoary frost]

if hybe paid, theyd pay them same as everyone else, but ador give nj equal amount

[unkempt roost]

Ngl

U guys are really assuming the worst extremes lol

[brazen ice]

watch them come to an agreement and nothing changes💀

[tawdry vessel]

i'll take it

[hoary frost]

mistreatment ador talked about does not refer to how ador treats newjeans

but plagiarism issue and brand value disruption

[unkempt roost]

Artists pay outs are based on a set of clauses on the artist's contract there is no chance Hybe gives less but ador gives more

[old cypress]

people think newjeans are employees and hybe decides how much they get paid 💀

[ripe mango]

I feel bad for illit tho they just debuted and they alr in this

they just got included for no reason

[hoary frost]

i assume it differs based on labels. articles said that nj has contract with ador, it is essentially with hybe as hybe owns majority shares but contract is with ador and ador puts on terms

[ripe mango]

i wasnt supposed to reply to ur message btw sorry HAHAHAH

[brazen ice]

yeah both nj and illit just shouldnt be involved in thi

[neon kelp]

well I'm just worried about newjeans

and hoping they come out of it

[ripe mango]

im worried for both they both just kids trying to achieve their dreams

[old cypress]

most labels have similar distribution ratios which is about 50:50 company:artist

(which is extremely generous)

[ripe mango]

https://x.com/Koreaboo/status/1783069643084849542 report this article pls

Koreaboo (@Koreaboo) on X

NewJeans’ Parents Reportedly Were The First To Raise The Issue Of ILLIT’s Plagiarism
https://t.co/jOFyvECA2W

Twitter · Apr 24, 2024, 9:45 AM

misinformation

[old cypress]

kboo who is surprised

when will they get sued like pannchoa

[rose dune]

😬

[hoary frost]

not really imo. ratio also varies depending on categories. cf album sales touring streaming all have different ratio. jyp sm yg never had same ratio, yg was always reported to have best one. there are some old articles mentioning this. hybe labels ratio might vary due to their independent management

[vale grove]

Same lmao rather that than other outcomes

[hoary frost]

it also probably varies based on artists. bts probably has better ratio than txt

[old cypress]

i checked the various reports and also the kftc standardized contracts. On average it's 50:50 but obviously it can differ case by case

anyway it's not relevant to the point

[brazen ice]

but from what ive seen so far, all of this started cuz mhj wasnt happy about her pay?

[vale grove]

Is kboo even a valid source?

While I agree I've been rewatching illits videos and find more similarities than I'd like to admit is kboo reliable? I'm sure they arent

[old cypress]

kboo is just clickbait

[brazen ice]

no ive heard theyre pretty bad lmao

[old cypress]

they will share a hot take written by a korean netizen on an obscure forum and say knetz think this

[old cypress]

not really, it's just saying that hybe and mhj have been clashing for a while which is not surprising knowing mhj

[simple ledge]

there’s a lot of articles subtly pointing to that and referenced the stock agreements to back it up

[old cypress]

she always clashes with the suit people

[brazen ice]

true lmao

[old cypress]

the interesting thing about the stock agreements is mhj has a put option to sell her ADOR shares back to HYBE. If newjeans leave ador and she exercises her option, hybe will be forced to buy worthless ador shares lol

[kind hill]

Interesting

[grand sapphire]

With all the articles and evidence coming out, I’m actually afraid that if the worst case scenario happens to NewJeans, it would hurt me so much that I probably wouldn’t be able to follow K-pop for a while. Again it’s just my thoughts and we never know if it will get better.

[neon kelp]

guys what's with the negative thoughts

stay positive

or hanni will punch yall

https://tenor.com/view/하니-주먹-hanni-punch-gif-7547578004285253346

[grand sapphire]

Yeah sorry I should be staying positive. Just a bit scared

[rain spade]

We're all in this together

[neon kelp]

yep

[tawdry vessel]

It's fine. Most of us do

[hoary frost]

[tawdry vessel]

whatever happens, i will keep supporting them

[hoary frost]

same

[neon kelp]

nothing will happen bad

only good will happen

[regal frigate]

Same

[neon kelp]

[grand sapphire]

Same

[rain spade]

Same

[grand sapphire]

Let me delete Reddit and X for a bit for the sake of positive thoughts

[old cypress]

deleting reddit is always a good idea

[neon kelp]

I don't even go on reddit and x lol

those are brain rot

[orchid field]

Same i have to purposely stay off twitter

[hoary frost]

[sudden frigate]

To be fair we've seen what happened before with half of hundred half of hundred. We're just concerned

Anyway, what's the latest?

[simple ledge]

Mhj submitted questionnaire and hybe was told not to leak it or they’ll be sued. Mhj still hasn’t turned in laptop. Board meeting on April 30.

[sudden frigate]

Just saw HYBE's latest official statement on NewJeans, says comeback plan go on as planned

[neon kelp]

atleast one good news

it's good they are not dragging newjeans into their mess

atleast from one side someone is acting like mature

[sudden frigate]

Meh, they started it but now they're acting like they care

Started as in, they aired the dirty laundry first

[unkempt roost]

@dry atlas probably best to pin this https://twitter.com/tmikpop/status/1783097185678352563 + the tweet after

TMIKpop (@tmikpop) on X

Min Heejin has answered the audit questionnaire. Ador gave a warning to Hybe that if the contents of the questionnaire were disclosed to the outside world, legal action would be taken. She has not relinquished her laptop yet.

https://t.co/pS7JSGG52Q

Twitter · Apr 24, 2024, 11:34 AM

[rain spade]

she's firing baaaack

[neon kelp]

damn let's goo

mhj finally attacked back

omg the x is the worst

At this point ADOR shouldn’t be making demands. I hope HYBE does what it does best and takes this to court

[old cypress]

yeah everyone is siding with hybe

[neon kelp]

wtf

[vale grove]

Very happy about this. But also not at the same time. Worried that the busy schedule on top of the legal issues will worry the girls

[simple ledge]

If she has nothing to hide then why not put the questionnaire publicly out there or return the laptop

[old cypress]

the laptop has her creative ideas

this alone is a valid reason to not return the laptop

[simple ledge]

Hybe isn’t looking through a company laptop they own for her creative ideas to leak

[old cypress]

supposedly but they won't pass the opportunity lol

[simple ledge]

Also since it’s company laptop anything on there is company property anyways

[old cypress]

it's ADOR's property not hybe's

[neon kelp]

maybe that does have some documents

[twin cypress]

Idk if mhj was really as shady as hybe says she is then she would be really stupid to be doing all her moves on a company laptop and email

[old cypress]

everyone does that, people are not that careful

i wouldn't be surprised if she had all that stuff on her laptop

exploring exit strategies is normal as well

[simple ledge]

If she’s not shady then turn in the laptop and let everyone see she doesn’t have anything on it

[old cypress]

too risky imo

illit next comeback would magically have the ideas that was in her laptop lol

[simple ledge]

She risks more by not turning it in

[twin cypress]

I doubt it cause then mhj can easily sue if they take her ideas

[old cypress]

but then she could very well delete everything from her laptop before turning it in

right click delete the incriminating documents and boom

[hoary frost]

Nothing can really be deleted

[old cypress]

ofc it can

[cyan delta]

It can all be tracked down still

[hoary frost]

nope it’ll all be found still

[old cypress]

how?

[hoary frost]

can be recovered

It’s 1s and 0s

[old cypress]

you just clean delete and that's it

[hoary frost]

im so surprised what even happened... is newjeans going to be fine..?

[hoary frost]

nope

[old cypress]

even the nsa can't recover it and hybe is no nsa

[silent spade]

It probably takes a whole lot of rewriting on the drive to really get rid of stuff, hence it’s taking this long

[simple ledge]

If she has nothing to hide then she doesn’t need to delete anything

[hoary frost]

nah, computer still saves it somewhere else and its recoverable

[simple ledge]

deleting is even more sus

[hoary frost]

yeah

i only heard today that there's smth going on...

when did it start like how and why

[simple ledge]

Newjeans is fine. Comeback is happening as scheduled

[old cypress]

no, just use a secure delete tool

[hoary frost]

ah thats such a relief... is mhj fired..?

[neon kelp]

they are fine
just another hybe chaos

[neon kelp]

no

[hoary frost]

ah... hope they all settle down :(

[neon kelp]

yea I hope so too

[old cypress]

i'm just saying she could very well delete everything and turn it in. Instead she's refusing to turn it in as a matter of principle

[gentle ridge]

Oop

[simple ledge]

What principle are you referring to?

[old cypress]

"if you have nothing to hide then show your stuff" is the same logic the government uses to invade your privacy

[neon kelp]

yep

[gentle ridge]

Is everything sorted out?

[old cypress]

it's not even an independent audit, who knows what hybe will do with her laptop

[neon kelp]

but then ador could have some private files or smth

[neon kelp]

https://imgur.com/kQEcMZB

danielle is laughing at hybe

[gentle ridge]

Ok

[hoary frost]

i don't think it's a laptop issue

[hoary frost]

anything she puts on the cloud can be tracked and also MHJ probably doesn't own her laptop

[gentle ridge]

Wild

[neon kelp]

I thought your username was someone that I know

[hoary frost]

i dont think so

[neon kelp]

mb

[hoary frost]

egos are the only things thats exploding here

[gentle ridge]

Is there updates

[old cypress]

yeah mhj kept saying that hybe has nothing to do with newjeans' success

[gentle ridge]

What is their decisions now

[gentle ridge]

how is that

[old cypress]

just her opinion

she said it an interview last year and a few other times which is fair considering that ador is independent and she wants to take credit for her work

[gentle ridge]

I guess so

[hoary frost]

Doyoung Ahn, a researcher at Korea Investment & Securities, said, "Newgenes has signed an exclusive contract with Adore, and as long as Hive owns 80% of Adore, Newgenes continues to be Hive's intellectual property (IP)." He emphasized, “We have already formed a solid fandom through two years of activity since our debut, and we must consider that they are fans of New Genes, not fans of the producer (Min Hee-jin).”

Researcher Ahn said, “Both Hive and Adore do not want the New Genes IP to be damaged, so it is unlikely that the album activities scheduled to be released in May or June will be affected. Creative replacement will be necessary in the future, but the existing fandom and Hive’s management capabilities are unlikely to be affected.” “Considering this, there is no need to view it pessimistically,” he said.

Oh Ji-woo, a researcher at E-Best Investment & Securities, also said, “It is expected that Hive stock price will inevitably fluctuate for the time being due to this Adore audit issue, but with regard to the most important future activities of New Genes, New Genes’ exclusive contract rights belong to Hive.” He predicted, “Future activities, including the scheduled schedule, will continue as normal.”

Hive believed that CEO Min and others were trying to become independent from headquarters and began an audit of the management. He requested that the directors convene a general meeting of shareholders and sent a letter to CEO Min requesting his resignation.

In response, CEO Min denied the suspicion of an attempt to take over management rights, saying that the idol group Aillet, belonging to Belif Lab, another subsidiary of Hive, had raised the issue by 'copying' New Genes.

Reporter Lee Hae-june [e-mail]

[출처: dcnewsJ] '뉴진스맘' 민희진의 반란...하이브 주가 쇼크, 전문가 전망은

sorry if that is a text bomb, but I thought it was interesting

According to dcinside, the newjeans parents are standing with min hee jin

[old cypress]

mhj made them millionaires so i'm not surprised they're standing with her

[twin cypress]

You also got to think about the competitive nature of artists and think new jeans probably also don’t like illit if they see them as copycats

Not all artists in the industry are friends

[hoary frost]

not official

[timber shell]

" dcinside "

not reliable tho

[silent spade]

As a result, ADOR has decided to announce an official position after sufficient discussion with the NewJeans members and legal representatives.
I mean at the very least in regards to the specific Issue of Belift and Illit I suppose NewJeans and by extension their parents are very much on her side. Doesn’t get more official than that.

[neon kelp]

I think newjeans needs to go on a trip meanwhile they resolve their conflict

they deserve it

[silent spade]

The least they’re involved the better for sure

[twin cypress]

What article is this from?

[silent spade]

It’s from her/Ador’s very first statement back then

[simple ledge]

Is that different from the one where they said the reports about them announcing their position is not true and they’re focusing on the comeback

[silent spade]

Yes iirc

[hoary frost]

even tho mhj said this, since nj and their parents didnt make any direct statement their position remains unclear or at least ambiguous. in current state when public opinion and media remains under hybe control and influence, its better to stay like this. even if ppl will claim that not speaking = being on mhj side, they cant exactly be sure about it. everyone wants them to get involved directly, which should be prevented by all means atm

[silent spade]

I think there’s some confusion. They won’t take any position (as of now) in regards to this audit and what not, but they are, or were up to that point very much with her regarding the protection of their IP (as written in Ador‘s statement)

[serene cloud]

assuming her statement is true

[silent spade]

It would align with the insider reports though

[hoary frost]

we dont know how much information was disclosed to them or what they actually agreed on, so id rather not speculate

nj and parents is more sensitive issue and given hybe already using them in their mediaplay and trying to tarnish their image, its better for them to not fall for the bait

even if they agree mhj

[silent spade]

Whatever the case might have been, now with the shit hitting the fan, it’s definitely best to stay out of it

[hoary frost]

[serene cloud]

i really hope they are checking with some kr lawyers on their own if they decide to say anything

[hoary frost]

and good pr. dont let mhj write your statement. she is too harsh

[serene cloud]

she's actually terrible at communicating

[silent spade]

She got caught with her pants down for sure

[rain spade]

they as in the member / parents ?

[serene cloud]

both really

[hoary frost]

yeah, she should be short and specific and less dramatic. just facts no drama. more words you use, more it gets twisted

[old cypress]

mhj is too straightforward lol

[serene cloud]

someone who can tell them the possible consequences of everything that could happen

[hoary frost]

she loves writing essays

[silent spade]

[hoary frost]

yeah, i hope that if mhj has their best interest mind, she shares all options and risks with them

[nimble stream]

At least not journals unlike her coworker Mr A

[serene cloud]

no, i mean someone with no link to her

[hoary frost]

well...

[outer bone]

When she was name dropping I took a step back like woahhh

[hoary frost]

[old cypress]

yeah she has no filter

[hoary frost]

but she is very intelligent. my impression from the way she talks.

[neon kelp]

it means she is confident about her doings

and the action she takes

and it's a good thing

[old cypress]

she's a no-bullshit type person which is why she clashes with suit people all the time

[hoary frost]

yeah...and she is woman

yknow...

[neon kelp]

the confident is good guys
nobody should ever lose that

[serene cloud]

you can confidently drive off a cliff though

[neon kelp]

wdym by she is women?

[neon kelp]

dude what?

[hoary frost]

she clashes with men in korean corporate system

[neon kelp]

is that a bad thing?

[serene cloud]

i mean, you can be confident but still make a wrong decision

[nimble stream]

yeah or to an iceberg

[old cypress]

her being a successful woman does play a factor in getting people mad

[neon kelp]

still u gotta be confident even if u made a wrong decision
the more u think about it the lower the confident goes

[neon kelp]

then they are just jealous lol

[hoary frost]

sexism is a thing. not claiming anything specific. but Korean corporations are not only seniorship driven but male centered

[neon kelp]

Idk what to say really

[quick wadi]

Sigh

[hoary frost]

nothing djdjdj

[gentle ridge]

this making me hungry

[neon kelp]

well let's just hope everything goes well

[proud flax]

@silent spade hello friend

[silent spade]

Ayo Evan

[neon kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/newjeans-newjeans-reaction-newjeans-praying-kpop-praying-praying-gif-26721673

[proud flax]

i see you are here instead of rvcord

[silent spade]

Lvl‘d up to 3 just for this shit

[proud flax]

idk if it was worth it

[silent spade]

Lmao

[proud flax]

discuss here or discuss it in rvcord, just gonna be straight yapping

[rain spade]

rvcord?

[proud flax]

red velvet discord, i’m sure they will have some opinions over there too because their group also used to be under mhj

[unkempt roost]

you really have to be careful about claiming sexism

claiming sexism when there is none just diminishes the real sexism that occurs

[vale grove]

Valid

[hoary frost]

thats why i said i am not claiming

[vale grove]

I heard that minji at her schedule was very somber today, I'm assuming because of the stress of the audit

[sudden frigate]

You mean yesterday?

[vale grove]

Maybe, I saw the news today

Not entirely sure

[unkempt roost]

imo it's not good to overanalyse the girls behaviors during this period

if she smiles someon would say she's clueless/naive etc

[vale grove]

True but it's very obvious to see that it's out of character for her. Hoping it's not the case

[unkempt roost]

if she doesnt then someone would say she's mad

[vale grove]

True, only time will tell what's going on

[upper solstice]

[white arch]

hi chat, any news?

[brazen ice]

not really

meeting on the 30th ig

[serene cloud]

I wouldn't be surprised if things quiet down now

Plus it'd 3 am in kr so updates might occur in about 7 or 8 hours

[potent lichen]

I’ve read so much info on Reddit and twitter but I don’t even know what’s real anymore

Plus it’s been ‘translated’ so who knows if the translations are accurate

[brazen ice]

ive mostly just been looking at tmikpop on twitter

[serene cloud]

it's best to take all speculation on reddit and twt with grains of salt

[unkempt roost]

There is so much speculation that taking all of them each with grains of salt would be incredibly salty

[acoustic valve]

mayb a few more grains on top

[serene cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/loona-hyunjin-laughing-gif-13020258527147932921

yeah you should go on reddit with at least that much salt in your pockets

[quick wadi]

that’s a lot of grains

[acoustic valve]

its the nature of reddit, it's good for creating communities and safe places, but for the same reasons it creates the most toxic brainwashed hugboxes where good faith discussion about any contentious topic is impossible

[lethal hound]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twac3wdJvCI

[serene cloud]

what's this about

[lethal hound]

for Bilingual fans who wants to listen to financial expert's take on this matter. The speaker is from hyundai finance/investment researcher and ex 이베스트 investment researcher

the video is too long for me to translate but major news studios been reaching out to lawyers and finance experts for their take one this. They all say trying to stage a coup with hybe owning 80% share is low probability initiative

[lethal hound]

Lets be mature about this and refrain from throwing out ridiculous accusation without any evidence

remember it was hybe who invested 16 billion won (appr 11-12 million$ USD) on her and creating a label giving her chance at her label

[upper solstice]

corporate korea being a boy’s club isnt an accusation

🪄

[lethal hound]

but accusing hybe of it and blatantly throwing that out with no evidence leading hybe to that is an accusation. Also not to mention although korean society can be patriarchy focused its still not petty and immature to attack someone soley being a girl

[nimble stream]

LOL

[nimble stream]

Yeah I'm bilingual.. but they dont include korean

[lethal hound]

...? the video is in korean

[nimble stream]

I meant languages I speak

[lethal hound]

oh haha sorry should of said for korean speakers i guess

[nimble stream]

Actually im learning Korean I went to a Korean speaking practice meeting last weekend and I was the only one who came it was like a private tutoring lesson

[lethal hound]

Theres a practice meetting? private tutoring is the best way to learn

[twin cypress]

its kinda crazy how k pop fans side with the big label more than artists. in any other genre, people support the artist against the big corporate label.

[simple ledge]

everyone so far supports newjeans the artists

[potent lichen]

The only ones I see rooting for NJ disbandment or downfall are fans of other groups who are happy to get rid of the competition

[acoustic valve]

ask them again how they feel if newjeans decides to speak up against hybe on the side of mhj

[twin cypress]

yea this is what im referring to because if new jeans sides with mhj everyone who is a hybe stan will turn on them

[acoustic valve]

yep, a lot of people have implicitly chosen a side despite saying "I support the artists"

[simple ledge]

should have clarified then cause those are different questions and scenarios

[white arch]

NOOOOOOOOO

[serene cloud]

Any updates

[acoustic valve]

nothing other than a lot of editorials about the situation which are almost entirely critical of ador and the girls*. will let people come to their own conclusions why that is

[cosmic sage]

that just says how much they may have to pay it never said they will disband

[white arch]

i know but

[vale grove]

Very interesting but how would one be even able to calculate this? Can u drop the link to the article

[wet jewel]

speculation

[somber phoenix]

https://www.koreaboo.com/news/much-newjeans-may-pay-in-breach-contract-according-experts/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0BMQABHUWmjOQFmm-NaXJCq8oZpsDPoKvajPEvyeMeoX7ScJ2i5yQi5SUSVpgbUw_aem_AaayZF5QVSTDPLKE_WFSgluN4P7oCJUZqQKs9i8d3lqI-Dx7DQn76WGPy_jpml9E-6s&fs=e&s=cl

Theres to a lot issue in my newsfeed😭

[white arch]

uh, what that means in kid words

[tribal sand]

Hi everyone! What’s the tea now?

[simple ledge]

for which article?

[white arch]

This one, Rebutts, unresponsive ¿?

[simple ledge]

nah that's just koreaboo making up headlines

[dry atlas]

should i ban koreaboo

[somber phoenix]

I dunno kboo just making up unfullfilled statement cuz i understand what the point in (Unresponsive Aud?)

[tawdry vessel]

yes

[mild mist]

he said, she said

[arctic sky]

https://twitter.com/kchartsmaster/status/1783275632954130721

Kpop Charts (@kchartsmaster) on X

HYBE has confirmed throught the results of audit carried in Ador that a plan to take over management rights was established under the leadership of ADOR CEO.

Based on the results, HYBE will file a complaint against those involved on charges of breach of trust.

HYBE also plans…

Twitter · Apr 24, 2024, 11:23 PM

what does this even imply? idgi

[serene cloud]

sounds like they got enough evidence to take her to court?

[simple ledge]

https://n.news.naver.com/article/277/0005410260?type=main

[dry atlas]

audit results released by hybe; hybe will sue for breach of trust: https://m.entertain.naver.com/article/609/0000847048

[dry atlas]

i think it's gg

[quick wadi]

Ok let’s close thread

[serene cloud]

why close the thread

[valid sierra]

its joever?

[serene cloud]

i mean there might still be more news to discuss on this matter, it isn't really over yet

[arctic sky]

ya don't

it aint over till its over

[white arch]

wait what, what happend

[lofty compass]

Do you guys really think illit copy NewJeans?

[white arch]

WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEND NOW

[white arch]

illit is like 🩷
and nj is like
(they are different lmao)

[valid sierra]

i guess its newjeans from hybe now

[white arch]

omg

[serene cloud]

hybe said they found proof of mhj and other execs trying to leave hybe

[dry atlas]

bro

[serene cloud]

and they are going to file a lawsuit against her today

[tawdry vessel]

no more i love newjeans from ador

[dry atlas]

do you not know how to read

[white arch]

sis

[serene cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/everyone-breathe-lets-all-breathe-nwabudike-bergstein-baron-vaughn-grace-and-frankie-gif-17555665

[white arch]

[tawdry vessel]

mhj and the girls can still get back together once the hybe contract expires

[tawdry vessel]

yes but it's not the members fault, belift and hybe are to blame

[vale grove]

Oh I'm so stressed

[acoustic valve]

good, let this go to court. At least it will be based on facts and evidence, as opposed to whatever hybe has been doing the last two days with their continuous leaks and statements to the media

[waxen musk]

Hive said, "We plan to do our best to provide psychological and emotional care for the New Genes members and support them for a successful comeback in the future. We also plan to meet with the members' legal representatives as soon as possible to discuss ways to protect the members."

After all the attacks on the girls...

[glad wigeon]

No more phoning live, welcome weverse live

[waxen musk]

Phoning is still built on top of Weverse and owned by Hybe. They could force them to change but they also don't necessarily need to either.

That's the least of everyone's worries lol.

[glad wigeon]

Nah i think hybe enough with only weverse

[tawdry vessel]

im more worried about the songs and the girls not being treated well

[glad wigeon]

This

[waxen musk]

They've said at least a couple of times now things to the degree of what I quoted above but I struggle to believe them.

[old cypress]

lol the put options strategy

i need a better translation of that kakao convo though

[glad wigeon]

Ador will of course focus on newjeans, while hybe I don't know if newjeans will be their priority

[lofty compass]

Fr

[tawdry vessel]

it's not over, the girls and mhj could still reunite, we just need to wait for a few years

[upper solstice]

IT’S OVER

[waxen musk]

I can only hope Hybe treats them well but these past few days have destroyed any faith for that. I will assume MHJ is gone. I hope all evidence in court shows us the truth.

[upper solstice]

we’re never getting the full length album mhj cooked up

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-dies-gif-21956120

[drifting scaffold]

That album is most likely nearly finished if anything

Even if there were a change in creative direction due to mhj's dismissal, it wouldn't show until next year

[glad wigeon]

MHJ will lose if this continues in court, Hybe has money and power

[slate yarrow]

njs are still able to release the album and do the world tours despite all this right?

[placid rose]

any official news? im lagging behind by a day

[tawdry vessel]

yes i guess

[old cypress]

as everyone expected, mhj is indeed looking to get out

[drifting scaffold]

Yes

[glad wigeon]

Honestly, with the success that NewJeans has had, it's not surprising that MHJ has the intention to leave Hybe

[drifting scaffold]

Across this whole mess, the one constant is that NewJeans' comebacks will not be affected

[vale grove]

I was wondering the same thing, it could possibly be altered if hybe does win in the legal battle. I'm not sure how quickly these matters can be brought to court or the judicial system of Korea. Ik in the states legal proceedings take a bit sometimes but not sure if that's typical over there.

I would say maybe some time could be bought but not much if the judicial system is anything like Americas. Which I'm sure it's not

[slate yarrow]

I hope they aren't forced to do other changes

I'm also a tad worried of their future creative direction/concepts but idk

[vale grove]

Honestly planning on just waiting until the full album is out and see how things go from there.

After these next three releases we can judge how things might pan out

[proud flax]

the group already released enough music to have established a signature sound, i don’t think the music will suffer much

[old cypress]

they'll be fine, they'll be like any other group

riize lesserafim ive aespa they aren't that bad are they

[serene cloud]

not enough is known to say what direction they will go... mabye they try to retain 250, frnk, etc

[drifting scaffold]

Producers probably are unaffected

[vale grove]

Well I think the point is the group is very sm ent like in the fact that their groups play around with sound and concept, I'm just worried NewJeans will have a "formula" and not stray away from it, keeping the girls from being creative. But like y'all said we have little to no info

[old cypress]

250 only got in because of mhj so idk if he'll stay

[vale grove]

To be fair that doesn't mean they will kick him bc of his ties to the mhj, they know he's insanely talented

[dry atlas]

always just check the pins

if you don't wanna read korean at least read the english description beside each link

[old cypress]

no i meant, will he want to work with the new direction? Probably yes but who knows

[waxen musk]

The annoying thing is as much as Hybe has destroyed literally any faith in them over two days, I think they can put out "product" with NewJeans that will be successful. I care about the girls more though. Hybe say they care about them but like I said these last couple days, at least the media has caused harm to them. (How involved Hybe is with this harmful media I can only wish is minimal.)

[vale grove]

That might depend on how close he is w mhj

[old cypress]

their label BANA has been founded by a friend of mhj from the sm days

[vale grove]

If he feels she was wronged by the company he may want to cut ties, but if he still values the art of newjeans as a concept I'm sure he would want to stay

We can't say tbh, it can go either way

[old cypress]

the art of newjeans is min heejin

[vale grove]

Oh yes deffo. I mean going forward

[tiny peak]

ADOR was a creative company, HYBE is a k-pop factory, I can't see things being the same in output

[dry atlas]

ok mhj is ousted
she moves to BANA so BANA is now music + creatives
ador hires BANA as outsourcing like the givers
it turns out like 5050 again
NJ DRAMA PART 2 ELECTRIC BOOGALOO

[waxen musk]

Depends on if his opinion on MHJ changes. I can see everyone's positive opinions on her completely disappear.

[slate yarrow]

hopefully the new creative direction of njs keeps up with their concepts

[old cypress]

whoooo

[valid sierra]

since there was a breach of trust, i think ador's creative independence from hybe will now also be terminated.

[old cypress]

the 2nd line is puzzling,i feel like the blanked word is newjeans

[serene cloud]

this is very likely, doubt whoever they appoint as a new CEO will have the same power

especially after what just happened

[waxen musk]

Expect less new concepts and more of what has worked in the past.

That's the "safe" option for Hybe.

Or for them to chase Western trends.

[old cypress]

if you like other kpop groups you'll be probably fine

99.99% of kpop fans aren't really picky

[dry atlas]

guys talk to me in iucord if you're there

[waxen musk]

Yeah I like the music Hybe puts out. It's just Hybe themselves cause me pain to even say that lol.

[dry atlas]

only place you'll see me in

[waxen musk]

I don't know why I'm resigning myself to a NewJeans under Hybe. We still don't know the final outcome.

[slate yarrow]

I still hope hybe keeps up newjeans' future concepts

[slate yarrow]

I love newjeans from newjeans, ez

[ocean arch]

It doesn't matter if they will be under hybe or adore.mhj won't be involved anymore

[waxen musk]

When I say "under Hybe" I just mean "not with MHJ" (whether that means under Hybe or Ador, it's just labels at that point without MHJ).

[west osprey]

night and day