NJZ Updates and Discussion

[west osprey]

I'll become an ice cube

[primal sage]

just dont check twt its a bunch of fanwars

[acoustic valve]

reddit having a field day on whether they want to hate on hybe or mhj more, never seen them happier

[fleet nebula]

this is why we avoid bad places on the internet

[west osprey]

twt is a bunch of wars

[tribal sand]

It's toxic

[primal sage]

its gotten x10 worse lately

[slender jungle]

everywhere is fan war all the time

[west osprey]

Kpop has just been fan wars all the time, it comes with the territory

[primal sage]

divide and conquer lmao

[tribal sand]

It's sad but true

[fleet nebula]

we just stay in our nice bubble of discord with (usually) likeminded fans and be happy

[tribal sand]

Which is the most toxic tho? I want to be on high alert when I join a new community

[upper geyser]

every community has a toxic side

[waxen musk]

I won't lie literally the only counter points are wait and see what happens instead of believing either MHJ's or Hybe's points. And I literally only see that in this thread. On Twitter and Reddit it's all extremely one-sided.

[west osprey]

exactly, with people who accept the truth that sometimes people decide to leave their groups ||I'm kidding||

[old cypress]

reddit is just twitter with smarter sounding words

[tribal sand]

NGl I really haven't seen one for nwjeans

[upper geyser]

oh boy check twt and tiktok

[primal sage]

reddit seems more neutral on their threads than twt tbh

[acoustic valve]

I could've told u that 12 hours ago

[lethal hound]

btw just to add in more info here. apparently music industry insider commented that Ador's board is full of pro MHJ side. So even though Hybe calls for a board meeting they will side with MHJ

[tribal sand]

Maybe I wontttt Ty for that heads up

[upper geyser]

but its just a few % so dw

[west osprey]

I believe you

[primal sage]

not suprised lol

[dry atlas]

Hello ashbash

gts

[west osprey]

smarter sounding paragraphs from intellectuals who, in this moment, are euphoric

[old cypress]

yeah all these paragraphs to get the sweet upvotes

[primal sage]

they seem euphoric? the posts are giving depressing tone tho

[lethal hound]

is there a specific reddit thread?

[shy compass]

[west osprey]

surely, someone will get the euphoric reference, it's a Reddit thing from back in the day

[wet jewel]

yep i gotchu

[lethal hound]

LOLOL okay nvm found it

[primal sage]

theres a megathread

[wet jewel]

ok

[lethal hound]

thanks though!

[west osprey]

don't look at it, save your sanity

[acoustic valve]

reddit intellectuals is a wild statement

[west osprey]

it's called an oxymoron

[lethal hound]

At the end of the day regardless of which side is true. HYBE should not have made this public

and solved it as an internal issue

personal opinion though

[acoustic valve]

and mhj should have* foreseen hybe would've done this and avoided it, both sides failed, just a matter of which side failed harder

[old cypress]

how does one foresee that kind of thing

[west osprey]

by tuning in to the Living Force

[acoustic valve]

by being a smart business person, this is all politics, you don't get to their positions through blind work

[old cypress]

a smart business person

[acoustic valve]

she pushed hybe too hard, in hindsight i can easily say she push them too far, I expected more from someone in her position, but she clearly failed, as did hybe

[lethal hound]

well what if what she is saying is right

then she just got framed

[acoustic valve]

she'd be innocent of deceit, and guilty of being naive, probably an even deadlier sin as a CEO in a corporation like hybe

[lethal hound]

then whats a non naive thing to do

in this situation?

[waxen musk]

Let's say everything Hybe is saying is made up and MHJ is telling the truth. What's the outcome of that?
I feel like it's easier to understand the outcome if the opposite is true.

[lethal hound]

she stays and nothing changes

but HYBE can start attcking and force pro HYBE board members to kick her out

[tawdry vessel]

hybe needs to release an apology

[acoustic valve]

assuming her goal is to make ador independent... be better at hiding her contempt for what hybe did with belift and bide her time a bit more when she had a strategy that would've bought about the result she wanted

[wet jewel]

lol who added discussion

[primal sage]

the best option from this outcome is that HYBE and ADOR reconcile & compromise and that everything stays normal

[west osprey]

well it's our new sport, we do it 24/7

[lethal hound]

but she sayin she never attempted to be independent and she does not want to

[pure hemlock]

because people never lie

[tawdry vessel]

im hoping for this 🙏

[primal sage]

me too me too

[lethal hound]

well this is a theoretical talk as if she was right about whole thing

[hoary frost]

imo she was right and hybe set her up to get rid of her bc they were sick of her letters

[lethal hound]

Yeah hoping for this too but realistically this never happens

[hoary frost]

i love my theories

it makes me feel better

[lethal hound]

when two corporate goes public like that its an all out war

[acoustic valve]

well, assuming her goal was to make illit stop copying newjeans concept so closely and stay under hybe... honestly seems harder, i won't deny that if her claims are true, it's a difficult path for her eitherways unless she's willing to just take hybe's transgressions lying down

[tawdry vessel]

its good business wise too

[lethal hound]

true but greed ruins everything

[acoustic valve]

i wonder if this stuff is common in SK with corporate intrigue and drama, seems to rarely happen in the states or australia, or at least it all happens behind closed doors

[waxen musk]

I really hope that things being discussed continue in the background and they can just "pretend" nothing bad is happening and continue to release Jeans' ZINE and Bubble Gum MV and everything related to that but it seems difficult. And then Bunnies Camp after that is something I haven't felt excitement for for literally like a decade as sad as that sounds.
I really look forward to these things and without that I haven't currently got anything in my life to get all that excited about.

[primal sage]

thats what i hope for too

[slender jungle]

content prob gonna come out as planned

[old cypress]

openAI most recent example

[acoustic valve]

take some solace in the fact that the girls exist outside of newjeans, regardless of what happens, I'm sure we'll see more of them chasing what they want in life

[primal sage]

and i thought the HYBE SM drama last year was wild

[acoustic valve]

ohhh true, guess im just not as parasocial about silicon tech companies

[old cypress]

yeah kpop fans don't really watch cnbc

[waxen musk]

Oh yeah for sure I definitely have a lot of patience and hope for their future regardless of what happens. It's just like I said I look forward to their stuff, stuff that happenes almost every single day. The pause on that will be tough.

[hoary frost]

its common in kdramas

[waxen musk]

*if there's a pause

[hoary frost]

[lethal hound]

in the states it happens from time to time. example will be Providence and Hoag corporation splt

JP morgan and Morgan stanley

[primal sage]

giving The Heirs vibes😭

[acoustic valve]

were they slandering each other in a game of chinese whispers using media leaks everyday? Admittedly, I wouldn't have noticed even if they were

[lethal hound]

Yeah Providence released an article and accused Hoag

of working against providence

[acoustic valve]

https://tenor.com/view/aespa-drama-aespa-gif-3775548718148240272

[lethal hound]

i believe this was a medical industry though

in terms of music industry, Lil wayne had beef with its parental company and wanted to split and started mud slinging

young money vs cash money

[acoustic valve]

ohh yeah, this stuff happens in music industry all the time in the west

[shy schooner]

This will take a long time for them to settle things

[acoustic valve]

taylor swift having feuds with everyone from spotify to katy perry

[lethal hound]

Taylor Swift VS Scooter Braun ( Braun was her former producer manager)

[primal sage]

she had beef with katy perry? i thought they were friends lmao

[acoustic valve]

taylor swift and kanye... list goes on and on

[acoustic valve]

they "settled" the beef recently, but it lasted yeeeears, the song bad blood is accepted by almost everyone to be about her

[primal sage]

ooo its always the lyrics lol

[lethal hound]

its all greed at the end of the day

[simple ledge]

taylor swift has nothing to do with this???

[lethal hound]

side A wants more and side B doesnt want change

[simple ledge]

stop bringing up other artists

[lethal hound]

im just answering TaroBoba's question

[dry atlas]

Some contents about the alleged document: https://news.mt.co.kr/mtview.php?no=2024042308451477838
In-depth analysis: https://biz.chosun.com/stock/stock_general/2024/04/23/2KG74NPKGNGXFFHY3R73WX5BLM/

[lethal hound]

LOL

[dry atlas]

im just pinning everything tagged as [Exclusive] lol regardless of how meaty the content is

[waxen musk]

The document Hybe found on Ador's computers?

[dry atlas]

allegedly

[lethal hound]

No they are saying MHJ and her people went to singaporean investment firm

for investment help

Oh man tbh i know this is all he said she said

[waxen musk]

What is this translation:

[dry atlas]

haha

[lethal hound]

BUT these articles dont look good for MHJ. These accusations are very specific on what she did. Apparently they are able to prove she went to singapore for investment

[dry atlas]

idk how you got MHJ from this

all it says is VP L

the article didnt even mention her name

[hoary frost]

it mentions Mr. A as well

[lethal hound]

L is MHJ's right hand man

[hoary frost]

article didnt mention her

Kakao and Singapore/Saudi Arabia

[simple ledge]

In the article is it really 300 billion won?

[lethal hound]

guys... this is MHJ they are just going around it

[hoary frost]

as potential investors

they need 31% for it, like hybe shareholders hold a lot of shares

they would never get it

[simple ledge]

where did you get 31% from?

[lethal hound]

20% plus 31% = 51%

[hoary frost]

20 is what they own currently

[lethal hound]

51% for controlling share

[hoary frost]

31 was mentioned by previous speculative articles

[hoary frost]

yeah

[lethal hound]

all MHJ needs to do is somehow get HYBE to sell 31% to these investors MHJ is trying to court

[hoary frost]

like its impossible to buy it out unless they gonna convince ariana granda and demi lovato to donate their 0.0005%

[white arch]

what is going on now 😭

[hoary frost]

are hybe shareholders automatically ador shareholders

[lethal hound]

what if saudi arabia fund offers HYBE an offer they cant refuse with a lot of money??

[dry atlas]

it's confusing now, other articles also used A to describe the executive that moved from hybe

now it's two different persons

[hoary frost]

yes

[lethal hound]

indirectly yes 80% only

[hoary frost]

Do we just buy hybe stock to keep control of newjeans

[torpid tinsel]

mr. l is a trojan

[lethal hound]

im guessing Mr A is different from L vice preside

[hoary frost]

Lee something i remember he was mentioned in some old articles

[dry atlas]

yes based on this latest article
VP L is the executive who moved from hybe to ador and did most of the dirty stuff
Mr A is an entertainment analyst who reviewed the proposal/document

[lethal hound]

VP L= need to find an Ador vice president with the last name Lee

[hoary frost]

CEO bang only owns 30% of hybe stock

they dont accuse mhj in this

[hoary frost]

Kevin Lee?

she is not even mentioned

[lethal hound]

VP L did all this for MHJ

MHJ and VP L same side

[serene badge]

I’m still shocked mhj dragged illit into this

[hoary frost]

god

Wait hybe has shares of YG and SM LOL

[lethal hound]

mafia boss does not commit crimes its their underlings

[hoary frost]

anyways

wtf is this

[dry atlas]

take the article at face value

dont put your speculation into it

[hoary frost]

if ur looking shareholder list, VP is probably not listed

[serene badge]

neither newjeans nor illit should have been dragged into this it’s just gonna end up hurting both groups

This whole situation is so confusing rn

[hoary frost]

we are past this topic

[waxen musk]

Getting confused over Mr L and VP A. Is that the same person?

[hoary frost]

Yeah true

[primal sage]

two separate employees i think

[lethal hound]

wait this is not a speculation. MHJ and her people is one side. they refer to this in other articles

[hoary frost]

it is not confirmed tho

[waxen musk]

Oh sorry I skipped this

Things moving too fast I look away and what I was wondering was already discussed

[hoary frost]

maybe mhj wanted to know options but vp overdid it

[lethal hound]

its still conspiracy

[hoary frost]

yeah fkdjdkdj

its only 10am in kr

more info will come out

[lethal hound]

but dam from the article it looks like ADOR made alot of money in 2023

good job newjeans

[acoustic valve]

that's a bright side, the girls alrdy made enough money to live respectfully and follow wtva passion they want in life

[ripe mango]

they need to settle this fast

cause their stocks rn are on a free fall

[acoustic valve]

still, all this mediaplay from hybe makes me feel like mhj holds some dangerous cards she can use. Otherwise, why bother making all these media leaks knowing it will only heighten instability and further tank their stock price

[primal sage]

high risk high reward method i guess

[grand sapphire]

I wish i could go to sleep and wake up and this all be a dream

[acoustic valve]

what reward though? If they know they got concrete evidence it's probably best to let this play out with as little leaks as possible to maintain both the image of hybe and ador(which they still own)

[slate yarrow]

sorry for bringing politics but the hybe vs mhj is kinda like the us presidential election😭😭😭

[primal sage]

thats a stretch lmao

[lethal hound]

in the US?

[tawdry vessel]

nope trump is a facist and a criminal

[primal sage]

its a matter of swaying public opinion

which both sides are attempting to cling to

[lethal hound]

all these articles are pro hybe

[ripe mango]

not all

some are on mhj's side

[lethal hound]

sorry these two articles thats been pinned here to be exact

so news coming out this morning so far

[ripe mango]

all I can say im just here for the girls whatever is best for them I will support

[acoustic valve]

perhaps... but it's costing them almost 1 trillion in market cap atm, the shareholders must be at their necks right now

mhj did say in her latest release she will engage in as little of this as possible and let the process play out quietly, we'll see if she keeps to that

[dry atlas]

this article goes in-depth in the 2 scenarios: https://biz.chosun.com/stock/stock_general/2024/04/23/2KG74NPKGNGXFFHY3R73WX5BLM/

[lethal hound]

its down 2.35%

[hoary frost]

was trying to read naver finance discussion room and it kept going down every 10 sec

everyone checking stonks

[acoustic valve]

on top of yest' ~8%

[lethal hound]

oh true

[primal sage]

its a lot to take in, i genuinely hope both sides find a middle ground, which is a long shot, but could happen in the right circumstances

[lethal hound]

oh oh

[ripe mango]

one thing I hate is hybe being so vague abt it

[buoyant moth]

ceo min omg

[ripe mango]

apparently mr L. an ex hybe employee now ador employee stumbled files

[upper geyser]

we love hive

[acoustic valve]

here's something that's a bit more of an educated speculation; that ador's strategy to "force" independence was to claim hybe violated their contract with NewJeans and have the girls terminate the contract and to set up the group again in a new company

[hoary frost]

lol

Yeah this is pretty brutal

[upper geyser]

https://m.entertain.naver.com/now/article/117/0003825390

[ripe mango]

like hybe not releasing a clear statement pisses me tf off its like they want this to blow out of proportion

[hoary frost]

I don’t think mhj is replaceable

But also I don’t think that hybe and mhj can get back together

[lethal hound]

both sides lawyered up already

[upper geyser]

def not

[valid sierra]

theyve mentioned 2 huge companies now. their statements would decide wether hybe is telling the truth or not

[simple ledge]

If they’ve lawyered up they can’t just release statements whenever

[lethal hound]

Hybe hired kim&chang which is a top law firm in korea

[upper geyser]

gotta wait for the legal team

[hoary frost]

Very sad

[lethal hound]

MHJ hired sejong as her lawyer

[upper geyser]

both companies are in the wrong tbf

[hoary frost]

I hope newjeans didnt reach their peak

[dry atlas]

hybe's lawyers are sm's lawyers in their management feud

[arctic sky]

As the positions of the two sides are sharply opposed, the possibility of a fierce legal battle has increased.

Prepare for the worst and painful journey

[hoary frost]

This is very bad for their future and for bunnies.

[primal sage]

they havent yet which is even more unfortunate

[hoary frost]

They might have

[shy schooner]

Looks like all future activities will be put on hold

[upper geyser]

newjeans will be fine but there will be changes in how the group will be managed

[hoary frost]

Idk what newjeans without MHJ will look like

[ripe mango]

looks like world tour gonna be in 2026

[upper geyser]

depending on the outcome

[lethal hound]

If they go to court this will be just as big as the SM Coup

[hoary frost]

Can very easily see it just feeling a lot different

[ripe mango]

jk guyssss

[upper geyser]

not your usual nj concepts

[primal sage]

even the yt content of zine??

[hoary frost]

Hopefully the newjeans stand united if we get a situation where 3 members side with one person and 2 side with the other that’ll be gross

[lethal hound]

please dont bring it to existence and knock on wood

[hoary frost]

Do bunnies even want to see newjeans zine right now? I’d feel weird watching them play a game like nothing is happening

[upper geyser]

they havent said anything about delaying their release so its still prob going to be on schedule

until further notice

[lethal hound]

if there going to court... prob a good chance it will be postponed

[upper geyser]

atp they would

[dry atlas]

not everyone is interested in this feud

most people just want to listen to good music and watch fun content

[hoary frost]

I would just feel weird

This is sad though

I wish newjeans and mhj could just be free

[lethal hound]

but will be different without MHJ

[hoary frost]

Yeah MHJ is like our mother

[potent lichen]

I want wholesome content and seeing the girls happy

[acoustic valve]

they will likely continue with their existing cb plans unless third parties decide to cancel

[upper geyser]

not the mother you expect tho

[hoary frost]

I don’t think the girls are happy right now

[upper geyser]

she has some interesting history in the industry

[hoary frost]

She’s just the mom of newjeans I feel attached to her

[potent lichen]

She left SM before the drama last year and now she has her own issues

[lethal hound]

well from the article both sides lawyered up and it seems official that they are going to court

[hoary frost]

she left sm in 2018

[upper geyser]

she should have been grateful bang even gave her that position despite her past

[lethal hound]

even the experts say MHJ going independent WITH NewJeans's contract is very unlikely

[hoary frost]

She did so much though

[upper geyser]

she did

[hoary frost]

she does not have any past you speak of. stop inventing stuff

[hoary frost]

Yeah it’s low probability

[upper geyser]

she self sabotaged herself to

[hoary frost]

Newjeans just will feel different without her

[dry atlas]

you can move remove mhj from SM
but you cant remove SM from mhj

[upper geyser]

💀

[hoary frost]

I hope they get someone who worked with newjeans

💁‍♀️

Like whoever the second in charge of ador I hope they get promoted and we don’t get some guy from another company

[white arch]

MEL 😭 😭 😭

[hoary frost]

But am afraid all of MHJs team will ride or die with her

I just hope the best for MHJ I love her

[lethal hound]

if MHJ is going out then all her people will leave. that what usually happens

[primal sage]

it depends if nwjns current producers would stay in hybe ( sublabel ador)

[hoary frost]

nj current producers are not part of hybe at all

if u mean music producers

except Gigi songwriter

[lethal hound]

what if Saudi Arabia gives HYBE an offer like they usually do

[tawdry vessel]

if hybe wins and able to keep nj, im afraid the girls are going to get mistreated cause as we all know they only care about money

[lethal hound]

high valuation for that 31%

[hoary frost]

whats up w saudi arabia and singapore investing in every single company tbh

they have shit ton of money to waste fjdjjsjdjd

[primal sage]

it doesnt look like hybe wants to let nwjns go

[acoustic valve]

certified koreaboos

[lethal hound]

Saudi Arabia prince MBS visited south korea 2 years ago and started investing in alot of korean companies

[hoary frost]

Singapore also has shares in a lot of companies

[lethal hound]

MBS invested in Kakao as well

[simple ledge]

Didn’t newjeans go to sg earlier this year

[white arch]

Any updates? 🍪

[tawdry vessel]

update : this is all a dream

[hoary frost]

This is just sad

[lethal hound]

more evidence that MHJ's team contacting singaporean and Saudi arabian investment firms for independence

[acoustic valve]

que sera sera

[hoary frost]

Newjeans went to Saudi Arabia that one time

[lethal hound]

well according to the news article vice pres went to singapore

for investments i think thats how Hybe is trying to nail MHJ

[white arch]

omg, mhjs is cooked. What do you think the result will be?

[vale grove]

Oh my god...

[lethal hound]

🤷‍♂️

if proven true, they have the right to fire her. Going to court for that

but news article says that experts believe MHJ going independent WITH NewJeans contract has a low probability

[shy schooner]

She done. Girls may follow

[lethal hound]

not until the contract expires

[tawdry vessel]

me drinking the water of life so i can see the future and navigate things to that narrow path where mhj and nj come on top 🙏

[lethal hound]

they are also the same law firm that represented 5050's label

[hoary frost]

Yeah 😦

I love ador so much I don’t want them to disband

[lethal hound]

im with you but they are saying it has a low probability

If Hybe wins, MHJ and NewJeans will have to separate

If MHJ wins, she just keeps her job

[acoustic valve]

It's all moot right now, the immediate thing will depend on if Hybe can nail MHJ in court, and if not, then there's a real possibility she might be able to take NJ and go independent... or not. In any case, trust is entirely broken and hinges on which side the courts rule in favor of

[hoary frost]

The nightmare is newjeans split over who sides with who

There could be an emergency injunction

[primal sage]

i dont think they will, worst case is they may be in limbo for a while

[lethal hound]

i agree its not final yyet but taking NJ and also going independent is a BIG mountain to climb and beat

[hoary frost]

In Korea can you just fire people for whatever

[lethal hound]

actually the opposite

[hoary frost]

Is it? MHJ just needs money she already has all the people she needs to run a label

If MHJ goes to a big American record label they’re giving her a deal

[lethal hound]

there is so much employee protection laws you cant fire with no reason

you have to find a good reason to fire which is another reason why they are auditing

[acoustic valve]

if the girls agree to it, there's little hybe can do if MHJ finds an investor willing to front up the penalties for contract termination, or if she somehow builds a case that hybe violated their artist contract with nj, although that's far less likely

[lethal hound]

money wont free NewJean's contract

[hoary frost]

Enough can

[lethal hound]

well yeah penalties

[hoary frost]

If you pay hybe enough money they will let you buy the contract out. It’s just going to be a fucking lot of money

[lethal hound]

but usually investors dont like to do that

[hoary frost]

Newjeans are different

[lethal hound]

true thats why i am saying if saudi arabia offers a lot of money

maybe there is hope

[hoary frost]

Newjeans have already been to Saudi Arabia and it went well

[lethal hound]

well it depends on MBS the prince who runs the fund

[hoary frost]

Big American corps could help too

Hybe has less money than the big American records

[lethal hound]

from the article they have not reached out to western investors yet

but true im sure MHJ can find investments

[lethal hound]

American firms dont like paying penalties and breaking contracts though from what ive seen

[hoary frost]

Idk bro we need someone to save us

Can we create a bunny go fund me

[lethal hound]

nono let saudi arabia buy that 31%

[storm wind]

any form of hate towards other groups specially Illit will be ban.

[hoary frost]

We aren’t hating anyone

[storm wind]

we will not be tolerating any hate towards other groups

[storm wind]

just a reminder

[tawdry vessel]

arabian tokki prince pls save us

[hoary frost]

We need it

[valid sierra]

is the 6th solo performance in bunnies camp will be performed by mhj herself???

[upper geyser]

https://www.koreaboo.com/news/min-hee-jin-new-jeans-future/

[lethal hound]

i hope they find an investor that would be willing to pay the penalties

[quick wadi]

Cloudwalk has been here for like the past 13 hours lol

[lethal hound]

i know... 4 hours to be exact

[hoary frost]

I just want min hee Jin to be together with newjeans

[lethal hound]

procrasinating work

[tawdry vessel]

same and my main reason is she treats them very well

[hoary frost]

She’s like our mom

[acoustic valve]

I just hope the girls get a good chance to get secure some truly independent legal representation and weigh their options. Ideally, it would be great if ador or the girls could become independent from hybe... but everything out of our hands

[white arch]

[hoary frost]

I got into twitter arguments defending her from hate trains.

We just need to pray to God

And maybe help min hee Jin with financial support if she needs it

[acoustic valve]

the hate is endless, don't torture urself too much. things will work out one way or the other. The girls will always have their families and everything they've already built and earned

[primal sage]

twt is literally the worst place to be at the moment lmaooo

[tawdry vessel]

delete twitter

[hoary frost]

Am addicted

You’re right though

[tribal sand]

hey yalll

[slate yarrow]

for me it's hard to quit twitter because of fomo 💔
it's possible for me to quit if twitter shuts down which I always wish and pray for

[dry atlas]

btw is tmikpop reliable

[arctic sky]

For the most part i would say yes to some extend basically it's just a translation twt

[tribal sand]

kinda wish twt was deleted frever

just worried for nwjeans and stuff

[white arch]

WHAT HAPPEND NOW

[dry atlas]

nothing

[tribal sand]

WHO IS THAT

[arctic sky]

so mr.a = mr.l

[tribal sand]

yall i dont even know who to believe, and so like till everything in full comes out im not choosing a side. if i was forced to choose a side its with newjeans and illit, because even if it comes out that they were indefinetely plagarizing newjeans, i think that they do not deserve the hate for what is happening to them(criticique is a okay, i just dont think they should be bullied)

[neon kelp]

I'm with newjeans

[tribal sand]

reminder i think should be said as well is the fact that illit's under a contract, im assuming, and they can't choose what songs the company chooses(?)

[tribal sand]

very real, im just a fan. until proper evidence can be given i am neutral

[steep torrent]

do u guys think that document they found was planted
https://x.com/hurtsaz/status/1782566054914671086

HURT SOTY 𓃹 🫧 (@hurtsaz) on X

so apparently “MR.L” (a HYBE employee that recently moved to ADOR) allegedly secured “key trade secrets” and then HYBE stumbled across a document titled “ESCAPE PLAN” “DO NOT TOUCH” on ADOR’s computers…?

Twitter · Apr 23, 2024, 12:24 AM

why would it ever be named that 😭

[primal sage]

not too sure, considering ADOR’s complete autonomy & independence compared to other labels, I don’t think such a plan would be devised

[white arch]

LMAO

[steep torrent]

This document confirmed by Segye Ilbo is '5. Under the title ‘Goal’ it is written ‘to make us untouchable within the hive’ and ‘ultimately to escape’. 'Don't let anyone touch it'

that sounds so fake bro

[acoustic valve]

someone tell hybe not to go into the kdrama business

[mild stratus]

thats kinda... lol

[primal sage]

this is so funny lmao

regardless if it’s true or not it does give kdrama moment

[acoustic valve]

eitherways, it's got nothing to do with belift or illit realistically, the "plagiarism" only matters because they're under the same corporation and thus there are ethical concerns due to hybe managing both of them. If Belift and Ador were completely unrelated its a 100% non-issue. Frankly, I've seen certain companies copy NJ far more, but it doesn't matter because they're not under hybe

[dry atlas]

Min Hee-jin's lie: the reply "I didn't receive it" HYBE sent and Min Hee-jin read it : https://tenasia.hankyung.com/article/2024042398604

[simple ledge]

Hybe bringing out the receipts now

[drifting scaffold]

Damn

The plot thickens

[arctic sky]

https://twitter.com/tmikpop/status/1782580050493349932

TMIKpop (@tmikpop) on X

There's a lot of news on the Hybe v Min Heejin dispute but let's start with the most important one and that's what is going to happen with New Jeans. Per several analysts, New Jeans' comeback will continue as planned.

Article: The dispute between Hybe and Ador CEO Min Heejin,

Twitter · Apr 23, 2024, 1:19 AM

[acoustic valve]

so messy with this piecemeal back and forth; just go to court like adults and settle it please

[slate yarrow]

me tooooo cuz like we don't need it anymore
twitter has just became a worse platform to be in recently

[upper solstice]

so they replied to mhj the same day the news was leaked that she was asked to step down?

[acoustic valve]

yes...

ngl, this looks more and more like a plain ambush and set-up from hybe. of course, doesnt mean mhj is blameless, but there's validity in her claims

[tawdry vessel]

hybe wants full control and makes the girls overwork for them so they get more money

[valid sierra]

saw this on reddit

[tawdry vessel]

I agree on that

[glad wigeon]

MHJ talking too much in the last interview

Every social media platform has its bad sides but for X many user feel they are smarter than other people and other platform

[nimble stream]

Since Hybe isnt owned by 1 person technically MHJ could offer a really really high value for the rest of the stocks and for the best interest of their investors, Hybe could have been interested in selling the stocks

[upper solstice]

📈

[shy schooner]

comeback will go as planned, but full album might be shelved

[acoustic valve]

diss track album, it's the year of diss tracks

[spare beacon]

mhj just needs hybe to not have majority. In a world where this never got exposed, a company or collection of companies could approach hybe and propose an offer that seems really good and hybe sells the majority of shares to them while likely keeping some shares for themselves. these new majority owners could then potentially give mhj more freedoms or powers than she currently has

[sudden frigate]

SHELVED?

[simple ledge]

https://www.hankyung.com/article/202404230016Y

One of the docs said mhj said bang pd copied her to create BTS…

[nimble stream]

She is the only creative person in the world apparently

[acoustic valve]

laying it on a bit thick

[slender jungle]

maybe shes just a tad delusional

[nimble stream]

I dont understand how they deduced G and P is singapore and saudi funds lol

[spare beacon]

just a tad

[acoustic valve]

either hybe is doing some ungodly amounts of mediaplay with wild unverifiable claims, or mhj is even more of an egomaniac than we thought, both just as likely from where I'm standing

[nimble stream]

I agree

[vapid bronze]

@radiant marlin

[spare beacon]

mhj is a psycho so it could very much be that she's a psycho

[radiant marlin]

who mentioned

[spare beacon]

and hybe's making the most of the situation

[radiant marlin]

wjat do u want me to say 😭

[vapid bronze]

You want mhj out so bad cuh

[radiant marlin]

if the rumors are true yeah

right now, i dont care

if the rumors are true then she should get kicked out its the right thing to do 😭

[vapid bronze]

Someone explain to her the situation

I can't be bothered since I have an x ray to do

[acoustic valve]

no way to confirm if anything either side is saying is true or just false right now, let the court case begin and settle this quickly please

[timber shell]

it might take 2 months

[nimble stream]

are there any updates on the bubble gum date or no change

[acoustic valve]

only realistically verifiable information is stuff both sides agree on; such as mhj did indeed send a complaint about belift and that it caused a rift between hybe and ador

[sinful arch]

are there pinned messages yet regarding the updates on this?

like per article and what not

cause this statement right here is wild

https://fxtwitter.com/tmikpop/status/1782606579210039735?

[simple ledge]

I linked an article with it

[dry atlas]

ofc

[nimble stream]

Imagine making a kpop group so influential then calling everyone who got influenced copycats

[acoustic valve]

at face value, that bts comment is so wild it's actually comedic

[radiant marlin]

LMFAO i kind of relate to her pettiness but yeah she needs to stop

[nimble stream]

and selling newjeans to saudi and singapore allegedly

[white arch]

wait so rn what is going on

[dry atlas]

detailed contents of the documents found: https://www.hankyung.com/article/202404230016Y

[simple ledge]

Still just a lot of back and forth

[shy schooner]

Just settle in the court at this point

[orchid field]

i love newjeans and all of us

[steep torrent]

these articles are saying she wrote down bang copied her and made bts in the document when we dont even know if these documents even exist yet and everyone is eating it up

[dry atlas]

correct

[rose turret]

[unkempt roost]

That statement is kinda Sus. They better have the receipts to back it up

It's like perfectly engineered to rile up all the different fandoms against MHJ lol

[unkempt roost]

If it was ever planted then digital forensics will be able to find out

Now whether digital forensics and proper audit procedures are properly followed? That's a question that is unanswered yet

[acoustic valve]

either way, this looks like its been planned for awhile. the constant leaking just makes both sides look so bad. mhj because of the accusations made, hybe because they're going so ham on this mediaplay which is effectively destroying the worth of their own company, ador with every new leak

like, just stfu and settle this in court, unless you don't think you have a strong enough case in court.... then it makes sense

[unkempt roost]

[steep torrent]

this is the "evidence" when its just words on a screen man anyone can do this
https://x.com/tmikpop/status/1782621864512069986?s=46

TMIKpop (@tmikpop) on X

Segye Ilbo updated with a photo of No 5

https://t.co/SFiA7nwSP5

Twitter · Apr 23, 2024, 4:05 AM

[serene cloud]

just make jeon wick ceo

[unkempt roost]

[acoustic valve]

[rose turret]

[jade quartz]

who is John wick I’m a new bunny

[prisma ferry]

NewJeans and Le Sserafim hopefully they won’t disband

[brazen ice]

jeon wick is their bodyguard

[jade quartz]

LOL GOOD IDEA

[white arch]

https://tenor.com/view/sinb-gfriend-viviz-prodeunb-gfriend-blocked-gif-24371276

[brazen ice]

lsf has no way of disbanding. Unless mhj somehow takes down hybe with her lmao

[jade quartz]

Wait what happened since 4 hours ago I’ve been out
Did mhj get fired?

[brazen ice]

you can check pinned messages

theres a TLDR there

[hoary frost]

https://tenor.com/view/renezhuo-wonyoung-jang-wonyoung-ive-wonyoung-meme-gif-25670359

[brazen ice]

so what im seeing is, is that the girls are on board with mhj?

[drifting scaffold]

Thats what Ador claims

Can't know for sure though, this whole situation is definitely more complex than we know

[brazen ice]

😕

[prisma ferry]

If they disband I’ll be sad

[valid sierra]

if they disband, thats it for my kpop phase

[arctic sky]

same bye" kpop

[nimble stream]

I would be here to see the fallout and members future activites

[outer bone]

thers a lot of stuff that came out

[unkempt roost]

there is zero chance they disband

unless the girls (and their parents) disagree on who to follow...

then we'll have tvxq 2.0

[brazen ice]

only way they disband is terminating their contracts completely

[slate yarrow]

I don't think they'll disband

if they disband days before they release information about the comeback it would upset a lot of us

I think some are aware it is risky to completely disband the group when the cb is a month away and a mv is coming out in a few days

[mild stratus]

u guys are so extreme

and stop going off-topic

[west osprey]

Disbanding?? How the heckity heck did people end up talking disbanding? Who went and read TikTok comments or Reddit??

[shy schooner]

They are still under contract

[acoustic valve]

ador's said they're committed to continueing their cb and fanmeet

this is a business afterall and they got bills to pay and contracts+obligations to fulfil, can't afford to just stop unless it's absolutely necessary or due to legal reasons

[outer bone]

wait so someone pls explain this part to me

[acoustic valve]

although, promotions probably scaled back

[tiny peak]

they have to fulfill their contracts with the japanese companies too

[unkempt roost]

which part? the entire thing?

[nimble stream]

You know how hybe owns 80% of ADOR so it makes them their subsidiary company right? Allegedly MHJ was planning to buy those from them to get independent with the help of those funds (Singaporean and saudi arabian allegedly)

[tiny peak]

it's so crazy to see chosun ilbo reporting on this kpop matter, this must be a big deal in korea

[unkempt roost]

this is very much a big thing lol

[brazen ice]

pretty sure its saying the plan, not that they actually want to

[nimble stream]

many hanni fans

[unkempt roost]

the last part of the 1st tweet and the 1st part of 2nd tweet are combined

[west osprey]

Hi I'm here to represent Haerin fans

[neon kelp]

Guys don't drag newjeans into the mess that mhj and hybe did

[outer bone]

ya but i think i get it now its saying that there was plan ab how in order to separate herself from hybe she'd encourage the girl to terminate their contracts with hybe and her and the girls would move to another company right?

[unkempt roost]

thats the gist of it

tho keep in mind this is still one-sided info from Hybe

[outer bone]

the girls are def innocent i feel like thats something that can be universally agreed on

[tiny peak]

the first part is important though, "Ador planned to say HYBE treated NJ unfairly"

[unkempt roost]

not verified whatsoever

[west osprey]

Lmao that edit, already gotta be careful not to step on anyone's toes, huh?

[nimble stream]

NewJeans debuting under DORA in a group called "FreshDenims"

[dry atlas]

this article has some scenarios, what-ifs: https://m.entertain.naver.com/article/241/0003345834

[neon kelp]

Yep anyone can get offended

[west osprey]

We have arrived at that point, huh. The brain rot is seeping

[white arch]

Any Updates?

[west osprey]

I hadn't read all day, I'm caught up on the news

[ocean arch]

How likely it is to end in scenario 2?

[dry atlas]

[somber pumice]

[wet jewel]

:joeshrug

[brazen ice]

theres alot on what the documents had but arent the audit results not out yet?

[acoustic valve]

Hybe is seemingly releasing information about the audit piecemeal, but they're under no obligation to reveal anything publicly. What they're revealing are specific pieces of information intended to build a beneficial narrative for hybe. I mean, the information isn't going to be presented in a fair manner, or even be that accurate tbh.

[brazen ice]

Aha damn, thanks

[valid sierra]

these whole thing is turning me into a sasaeng

[acoustic valve]

real and true

[jade quartz]

HELP

[tiny peak]

danielle slayed so hard

[ripe mango]

as much as I dont like mhj hybe is doing a pretty bad job at handling this man

[brazen ice]

both sides are doing a bad job

[valid sierra]

https://n.news.naver.com/article/025/0003355920?sid=103
heres an update

[acoustic valve]

I thought corporate jargon was terrible, but corporate jargon put through a machine translation is a new level of hell

[mild mist]

'Hybe says "no but she said", min Heejin says "no but he said"'?

[wet jewel]

how do you know hybe is a guy

are you assuming genders

[mild mist]

She specifically talks about bang wassisname

[acoustic valve]

i blame mhj for placing ador in a position where hybe would take such actions
the entire manner that hybe has executed this takeover is objectively terrible and stupid also
only blameless people for me will be the girls, supporting them and their decision regardless, couldn't care less bout mhj or hybe atp

[wet jewel]

bang pd yea ik im just playing

[mild mist]

Translation software certainly does

[brazen ice]

basically, we need reciepts

[wet jewel]

hitman bang

mmmh

[dry atlas]

hybe ceo announcement via internal emails: https://n.news.naver.com/article/025/0003355920?sid=103

[nimble stream]

Hybe CEO is Park Jiwon?

[unkempt roost]

yeap

[nimble stream]

Park Jiwon from idol school?

[unkempt roost]

[arctic sky]

Yeah

aka megan

[unkempt roost]

[vapid bronze]

[mild mist]

So that's why fromis haven't had a comeback, she's been too busy

[nimble stream]

lol they did the joke already?

[spare beacon]

wdym "takeover"?

hybe literally created ador

[leaden stream]

min heejin has been so silly recently i genuinely cannot believe she’s chucking this much of a tantrum

she seems to fundamentally misunderstand what she’s talking about

[jade quartz]

so silly 🤭🤩

CHUCKIGN A TANTRUM

[brazen ice]

girlie is tweakin

[vapid bronze]

Mhj is cooked

[brazen ice]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-triggered-gif-26561244

her when illit reached success

[dry atlas]

ADOR Audit Fight Club

[leaden stream]

LMAO

[dry atlas]

lol

[brazen ice]

lmao

[dry atlas]

ADOR Audit Discussion

[leaden stream]

like as an illit ult i could understand the comparisons there but like. riize????

what part of talk saxy is Anything like what newji does

[brazen ice]

she is a questionable woman for sure

[vapid bronze]

[lethal hound]

if Hybe has firm evidence of this accused coup then MHJ is backed into a corner and will be removed. This isnt super ideal since MHJ produce NewJeans which means NewJeans will not be the same

[brazen ice]

if she is removed, i dont think the change will be that drastic

Hybe should know that they cant change what nj are

[lethal hound]

think about the logistics for the company though. Her team and her staff will all have to be removed. It will be an administration change, it has to be a big change

you cant copy if there is no original. Producers have to keep coming out with new things. it wont be the same producer anymore

[vapid bronze]

@radiant marlin read all this pls

[lethal hound]

Also lets not forget that NJ and their parents have been dealing with MHJ the whole time

we have to assume newjeans are even willing to mesh and have chemistry with the replacement producer

[mild mist]

If you want a tenuous sporting analogy, Min Heejin is Adrian Newey. She built the aerodynamic department, if you remove her you'll still have a bunch of talented people, but she can't be 100% replaced

[dry atlas]

nugu

[tender karma]

ah yes Adrian newey

[acoustic valve]

still, trust completely broken with hybe no matter the outcome I imagine, for the girls and many fans

[tender karma]

Mel I saw you post the first audit article yesterday like 3 minutes after you posted it and thought "huh that's mildly interesting"

look where we are now

[dry atlas]

lol yeah

wth!

[hoary frost]

newjeans will take a hit no matter what they do.

hybe insider (aka hybe leaking info to media) saying that nj/parents support mhj and they are preventing 5050 to happen AND mhj mentioning nj/parents that they support her is enough for public to form opinion about them just as bad as 5050's. thats the case even on forums.

if nj decides to get involved and terminate contract, they will be painted as villains and greedy. their image will take a hit like 5050. hybe controls narrative and mhj statements do more damage than good when actual issues at hand are not clarified in any way.

if nj stays with hybe, everything will change. mhj closest people, even creatives will be removed. they will install new leadership and creative head, meaning their direction might completely change, esp given illit/nj image overlap, hybe might try to differentiate them in their own way. bana will not work with hybe. that means we will get songs produced in the same writing camps as lsfm illit txt and rest. hybe does not have clear vision. they start off well but always go astray. concept and sound change will affect nj. not to mention if they are stigmatized within company and will not receive resources anymore due to their contracts expiring in 3 years and god knows if they renew

[rose turret]

fight club ??

lets goo

[lucid yarrow]

dam we still burning

[hoary frost]

girls might be perceived as mhj loyalists from hybe pov. would hybe bet anything on group that is not close to them as much as other hybe groups and whose contract expires in 3 years?

[quick wadi]

I lose a part of myself everytime I enter this thread

[tiny peak]

so worried about the stigma, look what happened to fromis

[sudden frigate]

Oh, not the members too. If members get involved, it's kinda similar to the FiftyFifty thing 🫠

[tiny peak]

like even if the members were justified, they are so right that HYBE controls the narrative

[vapid bronze]

If lose it all, slip and fall. I will never look away

[rain spade]

Who's bana if i may ask?

[hoary frost]

their music producers

[tiny peak]

yeah it's looking like cleaning house and takeover

[hoary frost]

it is label called beast and natives alike

formed by keyon kim, former SM A&R and mhj close friend

250 and frnk (nj main pds) belong to bana

[acoustic valve]

tbh i dont really care bout all that, just want the girls to pick whatever they think is right for them, whether that means staying in hybe or not, whether that means being an idol or not. they got nothing left to prove anyway, there's more to life than this, they're all still teenagers that can pursue whatever they want

[tiny peak]

yeah but I don't want them saddled with unescapable debt

[hoary frost]

right. they are still teenagers yet both sides are trying to drag them into this and pressure to take sides

imo nj should not make statement whatsoever and wait to see how it plays out

filing injunction to terminate contract is huge no

[lethal hound]

lets not forget if NJ decides to leave the penalty clause

[hoary frost]

its career suicide. hybe worshippers in kr are next level

[hoary frost]

right that too

we can only hope that nj is not shelved like fromis

if hybe succeeds

[lethal hound]

NJ made too much money for company to shelf

[hoary frost]

please. it is hybe. bts members returning from military. nj effect is just temporary

[tiny peak]

ILLIT and LSF are going to be favored

[hoary frost]

hybe will be unbothered even if nj disbands today

[lethal hound]

NJ is number 1 right now in GG brand rankings

[hoary frost]

they will just debut more groups

[lethal hound]

no one shelfs who is doing good and topping charts

[hoary frost]

wishful thinking

[tiny peak]

yeah after their recent success with the other girls groups, they seem confident

[hoary frost]

thats what i hope

[hoary frost]

illit is

[lethal hound]

the monthly brand ranking

[hoary frost]

yes that lol

[lethal hound]

not melon charts

oh did it change this month LOL

[hoary frost]

nj last cb was in july. it was bound to change

[lethal hound]

but still its before their comeback

[tiny peak]

i think the brand rankings doesn't do a good job of distinguishing positive vs negative press

[lethal hound]

this is probably whats going to happen

[acoustic valve]

hybe will do fine without NJ, but let's not exaggerate, they do care very much about ador and NJ, just look at all the way they're reacting and the stunts they're pulling just because they caught a whiff that mhj wanted to pull ador away from hybe

[brazen ice]

ye like thats what im saying, hybe would deffo want nj

[shy schooner]

Hybe could terminate nj contracts if they wanted to, but I'm sure they are still money makers

[tiny peak]

yeah maybe it will be an ego thing, like we made NJ successful without MHJ

[brazen ice]

it is an ego thing for sure. At least some of it

[tiny peak]

but if they make them do questionable choreos and such, oh i'll be so mad

[brazen ice]

wdym questionable

[lethal hound]

Yeah also even if not an ego thing, it will just look bad if NJ goes under after kicking out MHJ

[tiny peak]

i don't want to get into it, we're not supposed to talk about other groups 🙂

[brazen ice]

aaight

[sudden frigate]

HYBE wants NewJeans to themselves because of how big and how much bigger they will be

[hoary frost]

nj are money makers in short term. once bts reunites, bts will account 80-90% of hybe profits again. meanwhile hybe seemingly does not have nj trust and if their career takes hit, they might not renew in 3 years

[sudden frigate]

MHJ wants NewJeans to herself because of how big and how much bigger they will be

And now, NewJeans are caught in the crossfire. Unless it's true that they're siding with MHJ 💀

[lethal hound]

Yeah but they still would not just throw away an asset just because of bts

they would want to diversify

just corporate revenue point of view

you dont want one source of income

[tiny peak]

i'm convinced they feel like they can make more successful girl groups

[shy schooner]

they just need to use similar formula

[tiny peak]

newjeans is perfection though, i have to give MHJ credit for that

[hoary frost]

hybe is already diversified. they have few more groups planned by 2026. they will not throw away nj, thats not my point, they will just not care about them as much as ador does currently or as hybe does for groups that will stay with them long term

[lucid yarrow]

newjean3 and 4 coming soon

[tiny peak]

like how did she find these girls?

[wet jewel]

auditioning

[shy schooner]

source music

[sudden frigate]

"To the ADOR team, he said every effort should be taken so that NewJeans members are not shaken by this."

[tiny peak]

i mean that's lip service for now, they knew it would be leaked if not leaked themselves

[shy schooner]

I'm sure members are already shaken by the news

[hoary frost]

said the person who launched media attack first

[lethal hound]

i just hope it wont be some 5050 thing going on

for these girls

[hoary frost]

yeah, safe option will always be hybe even if their creative and music side is sacrificed

[nimble stream]

ill eat my hat if mhj is eliminated and hybe throws newjeans out...

[hoary frost]

hybe will never replicate nj sound or concept without ppl who worked in ador. thats already huge loss

[tiny peak]

true, they have so many opportunities post-HYBE, they should just ride it out

minji actress

[neon kelp]

I'm just gonna support newjeans
I don't even care about hybe or mhj

[unkempt roost]

that's the correct mindset imo

[placid rose]

i just hope newjeans wont end up making mediocre music and stale concepts

from whatever outcome

[dry atlas]

dani promoted to lead producer

[neon kelp]

They won't trust

[neon kelp]

Would be good

[unkempt roost]

all these speculations about what happens if nwjns joins hybe vs mhj etc are all affected by bias

[hoary frost]

for me, best case would be new leadership installed in hybe and mhj kept as creative director and producer and her actions being more controlled. however, hybe will definitely kick her bc they will always fear her going out and taking girls after contract expires

[neon kelp]

But if hybe wants to control mhj actions then I feel like something will go wrong

[brazen ice]

theyll kick her out cuz trust has been broken

[neon kelp]

It's hybe what can be expected

[tiny peak]

the girls seem well taken care of and not overworked, let's hope it stays that way

[neon kelp]

Old hybe was the best

The new one is the worst

[hoary frost]

where did hybe ceo say this

[neon kelp]

There were some similarities between newjeans and illit

But not all of them

[brazen ice]

well mhj is claiming all💀

[neon kelp]

Like newjeans is more based on y2k style and looks more aesthetic theme

[hoary frost]

nj last cb is not y2k

[neon kelp]

I forgot what was their last song

[hoary frost]

...

[tiny peak]

???

[neon kelp]

thinking

[brazen ice]

nah bro is in the right for not remembering its been awhile lmao

wasnt it super shy?

[hoary frost]

yes Get Up

[rose turret]

no

[tiny peak]

GODS

[brazen ice]

we countin that?

[tawdry vessel]

my daemon

[timber shell]

also forgot njwmx

[rose turret]

[neon kelp]

It's just a remix

[tawdry vessel]

it's a cover tho

[brazen ice]

well if the question is about their last song, then yes njmx lmao

[neon kelp]

Yea newjeans sang that song

[neon kelp]

That's not counted its just a remix

Let's focus on their main songs

[hoary frost]

in terms of comeback, original release - its get up which was anything but y2k. y2k concept goes as far as their debut and OMG styling/aesthetic. Get Up itself cant even be boxed in one concept due to vastly different concepts for each track

[tawdry vessel]

last track is asap

[hoary frost]

asap blueprint

[tiny peak]

HYBE would never produce a song like ASAP 😭

[hoary frost]

spill

[tawdry vessel]

we're never getting another ditto again if hybe wins 😔

[hoary frost]

one thing about nj is that all their tracks are single worthy and remarkable itself production wise. thats why ador tries to make mvs for all and show tracks essence by using visual media

[loud estuary]

yo

[tiny peak]

yeah the MVs are pure art

[vapid bronze]

You still blocked me cuh

[tiny peak]

like the entire Ditto concept, the MV and song, it felt so genuine and heartfelt, like you don't see that in kpop that much

[ashen charm]

how does mhj sleep at night ....

[hoary frost]

genuinely all the talk that nj concept is unoriginal on stan twt is annoying bc nj concepts are essentially their mvs which are art itself and you can not watch it and come and claim that it was something anyone could do while stanning groups whose creatives are getting inspired by it. hybe never puts as much effort in creative aspect for their groups. they go big for title track mv and then do follow up song mv which rarely high quality.

[vapid bronze]

There's "inspiration"

[cyan rivet]

The key to the future is newjeans, who are embroiled in a 'fight between adults (companies)'. For now, as CEO Park Ji-won said in an in-house e-mail, "Please do your best in your work for Newjeans' comeback and growth," activities will continue normally for the time being

[mild mist]

'group of the week'

[cyan rivet]

It's good news for now... but idk how future things will happen

[mild mist]

Judging from her last two statements, she doesn't

[hoary frost]

u mean ador? only inspiration they can claim is attention paying homage to speed and cheetah girls which is like two scenes: stadium and barcelona street with drummer playing (that is whole point of nostalgia and y2k) and not the scenes kpop stans are putting together lol. ditto as it takes inspiration from Japanese movie aesthetic (shunji iwai, which other bg mv director also claimed that they used as inspo btw), but it is completely original product whatsoever.

[mild mist]

It's not just the music videos, there's a shed ton of thought in the album packaging and other merchandise

[tiny peak]

right? so many albums and merch is disappointing, like cookie cutter, low effort ... but never with newjeans

[vapid bronze]

Yeah you explained what i couldn't since I'm dumb

The random people on twt jumping into conclusions 😭

[hoary frost]

no ur smart, dumb ones are the ones fighting in hybe building

[tiny peak]

NJ was the first kpop album I bought, I was surprised how stingy regular albums are with the inclusions

[shy schooner]

They grew too fast

[mild mist]

Shout out to SM and starship's 'one photocard only' policy

[vapid bronze]

Im not sure if they're the one confused or us

[placid rose]

Twt and tiktok people are making things worse for the public opinion

[hoary frost]

1 pc per album = more sales

hybe cooking

[vapid bronze]

What I said yesterday, waiting for tt and insta to drag it

[hoary frost]

engagement farming and rage baiting people

[shy schooner]

all for clicks and likes

[placid rose]

like it hasnt been a day for a complex issue and they already have a firm opinion wtf

[hoary frost]

hybe has dedicated stans

i need hybe to wait until NJ1. like i need to see NJ1 under ador as it is now

😭

https://n.news.naver.com/article/366/0000987728?sid=101

hybe sure loves communicating with media

[acoustic valve]

the more they yap the less I trust them or their intentions

[tiny peak]

yeah they really pushing the 5050 narrative

[mild mist]

Which will probably work because people generally don't understand the details there

[valid sierra]

they are really going all out with this one. the one who will lose will probably lose everything

[sharp garden]

[acoustic valve]

realistically, they're all multi multi millionaires, if not billionaire in the case of BSH, so it's not like I feel sorry for anyone here. But Hybe is laying it on too thick regardless, like they're ttying to hide something

[hoary frost]

nj only debuted in july and released album august, were they supposed to have profit from air

they can just say that hybe regrets selling 20% bc they didnt think it would succeed

can they stop talking about nj

[unkempt roost]

i mean.... they are just restating ador's statement there

that article doesn't really have any new info tbh

[hoary frost]

main info is hybe saying that they sold stocks to mhj at low price bc mhj was claiming that tax was high

[acoustic valve]

i know, i see people saying "ador needs to stop talking"... but they've literally only released two statements to the media. Everything that's being reported, including statements attributed to mhj is leaking from hybes side once every couple of hours,

[hoary frost]

they want to say she is greedy

and hybe was manipulated by her

[unkempt roost]

i wouldnt go so far as to say that

[hoary frost]

this is investment banking report yeah

but obv they get info from inside

[mild mist]

They really want to push the insider trading narrative, but

1. does it really apply here? Allegedly the transfer is from hybe > min Heejin, and surely they'd have the same numbers
2. Insider trading is a crime so there'd be a criminal investigation. The fact that there isn't suggests that there's no evidence

But I don't understand stonks, never mind stonks law

[valid sierra]

love to see that the members activities are not affected by this. but kinda sad that they are doing these while worrying about the situation

[unkempt roost]

it's not really insider trading per se imo

this is more towards hostile takeover than insider trading

[valid sierra]

ador is not a public company. they need hybe's permission as owner of stocks to sell them. it cannot happen without their consent

[acoustic valve]

proof will be in the pudding, we'll find out how real these claims from hybe are if this goes to court. But the way Hybe is turning the mediaplay up to 11 makes me think they're trying to force mhj to capitulate before that happens... which leaves me with.. why? Why go this route which damages their own brand with every media leak if they think they have a strong case

[unkempt roost]

it's just both sides flinging shit at each other making the peace option further and further away from coming true

[acoustic valve]

so far ador has responded twice with extensive statements, otherwise they been silent. Hybe's been either making direct statements or leaking information through "inside sources" every few hours. At least 10+ different leaks and statements from hybe's side from my count at this point

[unkempt roost]

the whole BTS and riize and whatever thing really shouldnt have went out

[valid sierra]

even though ador ended 2022 with a loss, hybe has 2trillion won liquid asset, they can fully absorb that loss. only way for a 3rd party to invest in ador is when its shareholders cannot absorb losses anymore

[nimble stream]

we might get a spring day

[hoary frost]

guys

new statement from VP i think

https://n.news.naver.com/article/001/0014648336

[brazen ice]

Lmao

[dry atlas]

either true or scapegoating in progress

[hoary frost]

best option for ador survival

[lucid yarrow]

really big oopsie and hybe starting the fire and callling wolf to ruin ador for nothing bridge been burnt

[dry atlas]

statement from VP L / Mr A: https://n.news.naver.com/article/001/0014648336
"document found was his own personal memo; thoughts not shared with MHJ"

[dry atlas]

if there are updates can you add a quick description on the url

so i dont have to do it myself

[hoary frost]

oki

[shy schooner]

He taking it for the team

[hoary frost]

id love one good comprehensive and eloquent statement from ador that refutes hybes claims one by one. but hybe has public opinion rn and nothing can change it esp after they decided to insert bts in convo

[lucid yarrow]

Too bad MHJ say all that stuff so its no turning back even if its his fault

[tawdry vessel]

mr a my goat

[nimble stream]

Wow he's jumping on the grenade

[tawdry vessel]

now reconcile and stop this bs going further

[cyan rivet]

I told you that is noise marketing !!

[old cypress]

people went from hating hybe to supporting hybe lol

mhj's power

[nimble stream]

Mr. Ador saving the day

[unkempt roost]

Good rebuttal by Mr A

[vapid bronze]

Too lazy to read

[pulsar steeple]

gts

[vapid bronze]

It's too early

7:28 pm,

[outer canopy]

I went to sleep after the Saudi Arabia investment thing, any news?

[sinful arch]

i cant see them in this thread 😓 is it elsewhere?

[cyan rivet]

it's a relief

[nimble stream]

I realized I'm a Mr A

[dry atlas]

what are you looking for

[sinful arch]

man I feel so bad for the girls, im not sure if its just me but minji looked a bit diff today. but maybe that was just the concept for the fit

[kind hill]

Tf is this title

[sinful arch]

some sort of compilation of articles in chronological order of statements from hybe and mhj and other entities that may be involved

[dry atlas]

nah minji just looks like that when she attends events

trust me

[outer canopy]

Danielle looked fine (although she's probably not)

[dry atlas]

what's pinned are the official sources in korean

in chronological order

[sinful arch]

where can i find it tho? i only see the members tab when clicking this thread

[dry atlas]

OH

are you on mobile

click the thread name then settings

[sinful arch]

yea

[dry atlas]

pins are there

[nimble stream]

Ikr its really counterintuitive

[sinful arch]

ah i see, in channels it's usually already there

[sinful arch]

I think cause its how Dani carries herself tbh she may not be informed or is putting up a front, Minji on the other hand seems a bit more bothered

[nimble stream]

There were an earthquake swarm last night I doubt she could even sleep

[outer canopy]

I think she's just better at masking, I don't see why they wouldn't be informed

[sinful arch]

she def knows by now, hopefully they're okay

[shy schooner]

They prob know.. they just got to keep it professional attending these public events

[opal zodiac]

sorry to be THAT person that asks what's going on, but can someone please summarise real quick what's happened in the last 18ish hours (since MHJ's 2nd statement)?

[brazen ice]

Check pinned

Theres a TLDR there

[opal zodiac]

ohh perfect ty

[valid sierra]

https://m.entertain.naver.com/ranking/article/311/0001718136
damn those quotes are something else

[dry atlas]

not much really, mostly they released the contents of what hybe found: #1231839760759263232 message

then mr A refuted that those are actual plans, just his personal memo: #1231839760759263232 message

[cyan rivet]

What a good news lol

All done??

[south vale]

no it become more bad lol

[rain spade]

[cyan rivet]

Oh.... why?

[cyan rivet]

Tell me what's wrong

[lethal terrace]

Basically each side is trying to refute the other. It looks like it will take a while for things to settle down

[rain spade]

Go to court oh gosh lmao

[left crow]

You know how much court hearings and hiring lawyers are?

They have the money to do so but why would they when Hybe is the major shareholder of ador

They are basically gonna do is just use their power to just kick her out regardless of her being ceo lol.

[rain spade]

BOD has the power to that right ?

[lethal terrace]

If there’s any actual evidence it should be easy to win in court. Potentially the same case for plagiarism concerns too? There’s probably clauses in her contract that are terms for firing at will or something without leaking stuff publicly

[left crow]

Only if all are in agreement

The reason why there’s a board of directors when it’s a big money making company, is that there wouldn’t be one person only to answer to.

Board of directors are like a senate in regards to business

They all have to say yes or no against the president or actual owner of the company

But because you have a bod, even if you are owner of hybe like bang pd. You can’t just make a solo decision anymore

Shareholders though however if you are majority the stock holder which is hybe with their 80%, majority is their decision is higher than whoever has the remaining stock/shares

I’m a manager so I know how management and corporate works lmao

[simple ledge]

They’ve already hired lawyers

[left crow]

Manager -> Sn. manager -> VP -> Sn. VP -> CEO -> Board of directors -> shareholders / group president.

Any CEO can be removed anytime by bod/shareholders/group president, but in a legal way. Coz in real life you can’t get fired with no evidence

[simple ledge]

Also BOD are supposedly on mhj side

[left crow]

That’s why I said they have to go through court

Coz not all are in agreement to kick mhj out

[rain spade]

If there's mulitple owners of a company, then there must be a vote to fire a ceo ?

[left crow]

It’s a split decision

[left crow]

Yes or be forced to retire

[simple ledge]

they always ask for ceo to step down first so it doesn’t get messy

[left crow]

Yup

[simple ledge]

But mhj didn’t do that

[left crow]

Coz she’s persistent

[old cypress]

hybe needs to replace ador's bod then the new bod will be able to fire mhj

[left crow]

She’s in too deep invested with her group and her life’s work

[old cypress]

correct me if i'm wrong

[left crow]

Well that’s the thing you can’t just replace board of directors

Mhj is part of the bod but she’s the ceo of ador

So she’s also on par with everyone

Again just like senate

[simple ledge]

Bod get voted in… by bod

[left crow]

So if there’s 10 people of bod, and 1 is owner of ador. Then 4 people sides with her

Also the replacement of people in a bod is 80% yes and 20% no

If two other people sides with her it’s in a stand still even if you have 10 people as board of directors

[lethal terrace]

Wait she’s also part of the board officially? Yeah no way she would take things quietly

[left crow]

Yup

In corporate world, CEO’s are part of board of directors

That’s why they don’t get replaced like a snap of a finger

Why do you think hybe is having trouble getting rid of her in the first place lol

And going through court

[old cypress]

yeah most people are like hybe owns 80% they can do anything but it's not that simple

[left crow]

It’s Hybe’s fault for giving her all these titles and trusting her too much

[old cypress]

Ador is her company after all

[left crow]

Now they are getting bit by the wolf in disguise

Learn this lesson folks, don’t be a sheep lol. Be a wolf in sheep clothing

[simple ledge]

How is that hybe fault? They had a good relationship before

Stick with the facts

[unkempt roost]

not necessarily, CEO position and BOD are separate entities

in Ador's case the CEO is on the board but in some/.most cases CEO is not on the board

[old cypress]

yeah

[unkempt roost]

especially if the CEO doesn't hold any company stocks

[simple ledge]

The mr A statement sounds like scapegoat

Everyone knows not to use work computer for personal things

[left crow]

Well where did that put them now lol

[old cypress]

everyone does it lol but it does sound like a scapegoat

[mild mist]

But everyone does anyway

[simple ledge]

Nah going on discord on a work computer is not the same

As planning a coup on work computer

[unkempt roost]

Mr A's document is just a note, that's not enough evidence to claim that they made actions to stage a coup

[lethal terrace]

Well I see it more as like if they wanted a tighter grasp they could’ve had that. She also could’ve had a tighter grasp on idk keeping memos against the parent company off work devices… or if she was really planning to leave even more so

[left crow]

Yes this is true too, but who’s an idiot who will be getting a ceo position with no shares? That’s a noob way of getting the job and will get them out immediately

[unkempt roost]

the evidence that HYBE needs to show is on leaking/misusing the artist/company info, that's essentailly corporate espionage

[simple ledge]

But that’s why they’re doing an audit

[left crow]

If you bought stocks and shares, even if you’re 5%. They will have to talk to you and ask your opinion just coz you have shares that isn’t on par with what they have

[old cypress]

From my perspective hybe intended to leave ador alone but newjeans' massive success changed everything and made hybe try to exploit ADOR for their own groups

[simple ledge]

They eventually let her have shares and it seems like she still wasn’t happy about it

[left crow]

Last year ador was fully owned by hybe, they gave her 20% coz of the success

Well technically 18%

I’m just rounding it off

So now that she’s got a part of the shares

[simple ledge]

Any hybe group is guaranteed to be successful though

[left crow]

They can’t do shit

[simple ledge]

Someone did an analysis on each subsidiary and it’s profits for all of them

[left crow]

Normally of course

[lethal terrace]

Yeah I think the audit is more like we’re trying to catch the running horse because we let go

[old cypress]

Not really no. &Team and fromis among others. And there's success and success

[unkempt roost]

with this you are also assuming that hybe is lying that MHJ did stage a coup

[simple ledge]

Fromis does well in festivals and they were formed before being a part of hybe

[old cypress]

No I do believe MHJ is looking to get out, it's common sense to explore exit options

[simple ledge]

How is that common sense when she’s burning bridges?

[old cypress]

Because 1- more control over newjeans 2- potentially more money for her

[simple ledge]

She already had all control over newjeans

[old cypress]

yes and no since she can't stop hybe from making copycats

[simple ledge]

Like what more control can hybe give her on newjeans?

No one can stop anyone from making copycats

[placid rose]

seriously tho who tf would have their documents named as "How to sell HYBE" thingy

cartoony ahh stuff

[left crow]

You know what’s funny you can buy employees integrity, so we don’t know if this was planned or not

[unkempt roost]

well u do believe MHJ is looking to get out (thus doing all the stuff that HYBE alleged she did), that is 100% breach of trust and depending on what exactly she has done, potentially criminal. HYBE is fully justified in seizing back control. What else can they do? they just let her do the stuff she wants? to let MHJ damage the reputation of HYBE/get leverage of the artists bad info etc.?

[placid rose]

even drake wouldnt do it

[simple ledge]

If you want out of a company you either wait it out or face the courts

[left crow]

People are greedy, so maybe the files saying how to sell hybe was made but what am I talking about, it’s not like I work in a company lol

[old cypress]

business things man, we don't live in a rosy world. MHJ might argue that hybe breached the trust by making illit without her approval. Both sides have their own reasons, no one is white or black

[old cypress]

aren't you a manager and stuff

[unkempt roost]

thats fair

[simple ledge]

Why would they need mhj approval when the groups are different companies??

[left crow]

It’s a joke

[unkempt roost]

which is the whole argument basis that MHJ has rn

[torpid tinsel]

image and brand overlap

[left crow]

That I do not know what I’m talking about when it actually happens

[old cypress]

because they're supposed to work together, sublabels etc

[simple ledge]

You think other groups with similar concepts are sending emails to mhj asking for permission lol

[torpid tinsel]

it's like cannibalism

[simple ledge]

Sub labels don’t need to work together

[old cypress]

no but it's common sense that they don't eat each other

[unkempt roost]

tbh there's a difference between other company's artist copying (something that they cant control) vs a sister label copying (something that they couldve controlled/have a say in). the sublabels shouldnt self-compete in the same market

[left crow]

Guys/gals, think of it this way okay. All companies don’t work in just one building lol. Where do you think most of them started? At each of their locations where literally started before getting into a one big family such as hybe