NJZ Updates and Discussion

[fluid folio]

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMMqeEHk9/

[harsh dove]

@zuha_clips

[white arch]

Real

[fluid folio]

its crazy all this drama between nj and illit

and they are like on the next floor of each other

[hoary frost]

was there any new article?

i saw someone posted that hybe said nj supports mhj and they wanted to prevent 5050.

it was a bit from some article

hybe is controlling narrative, even using 5050 situation knowing their reputation to drag nj in it lol

[acoustic valve]

the article from reporting on MHJ's response, the relevant bit was basically "we responded after discussion with the members", implying they agree with the response. But nothing's concrete as of right now

[grizzled onyx]

Is NWJNS at risk of disbanding if MHJ leaves

[hoary frost]

nah it was different article

hybe statement

i will find

https://n.news.naver.com/article/023/0003829906?sid=103

its from here

maybe other articles before also had this but ive not paid attention

anyways....let me go back to studying. i hope hybe executives will suffer from nightmares today

[acoustic valve]

according to industry officials familiar with Hive's internal situation - so this is the source, hybe's leaks. hmmm. seems like the are perhaps preparing for a situation where the members side with mhj

well, makes sense they're worried. At least confirms hybe hasn't guaranteed the support of the members or their parents (yet?), otherwise they'd never release such a statement

[lethal hound]

There is an Hybe accusation that mhj already were in contacts with newjeans parents

about going independent

[acoustic valve]

of course she is, 2 of them are minors, she legally has to be in contact with them

[lethal hound]

yeah but about the going independent as well

[acoustic valve]

the part about going independent are rumors from hybes side, so we'll see how much of it is true in due time

[lethal hound]

bracing them for the media and corporate fight

[lethal hound]

edit i meant :yeah i agree with you that its accusation from hybe side

[hoary frost]

im not ready for morning

im so scared that worse news will drop

[west osprey]

And to think we were so happy yesterday 🙂

[acoustic valve]

it wouldn't surprise me if it was true, but still requires confirmation, bad to assume anything based on only one side's claims right now

[hoary frost]

imo it is important that parents and newjeans hear both sides

instead of following mhj based on their emotional basis

[lethal hound]

Its going to be a narrative fight just like fifty fifty case

mud slinging articles will bound to come out now

[acoustic valve]

yeah, I'm only going to emotionally invest myself on the side of the girls themselves, and hoping they get as much information as possible and decide their own choice. Whatever happens between the execs I'm not gonna bothered one way or the other

[hoary frost]

indeed

[lethal hound]

however what if parents get greedy like the fifty fifty case

which could ruin their career

[hoary frost]

i hope girls and parents have all info and support they need to make best decision for their futures

[upper geyser]

They have been asked before

[hoary frost]

why would parents be greedy? unlike 5050, nj gets paid and has everything best. it is just they are close to mhj and it is more emotional and loyalism issue

or issue that they only hear mhj opinions

thats why they need to hear both sides

[twin cypress]

only thing i worry about is that min hee jin creative direction has been fire so far so if they get a new creative director new jeans might not be the same new jeans

[upper geyser]

80% of ador is from hybe so thats mhj putting nj sabotaging newjeans over her obsession of power

[acoustic valve]

everyone's "greedy" one way or the other, what destroyed 5050 was their stupidity and stubborness; not thoughtfully considering likely outcomes and what would be the best choice. Hopefully NJ and their families are smarter, but i don't rly care about hybe or mhj, so I'm just going to trust in the girls for now.

[hoary frost]

also i dont think any of nj parents are in economic situation where they need to be greedy for their children. i hope this is not tone deaf statement

[upper geyser]

you just pray newjeans disbands

[lethal hound]

oh you would be surprised, 5050 already hit break even point with one song. they were bound to make a lot of money but still made bad judgement call due to greed. Look at Britney spears paretns too

[upper geyser]

Dont*

[hoary frost]

they didnt get paid. that's why they sued

and mistreatment

[acoustic valve]

NJ also alrdy likely earned close to, if not more than 2 billion won each, they won't be as readily convinced by promises of quick cash

unlike 5050 girls and their families

[upper geyser]

ive seen a lot of unstanning of nj the past 12hrs ever since the mhj news came out

[hoary frost]

who cares

[lethal hound]

not what courts are saying

[hoary frost]

they were never here for girls

[upper geyser]

no

Mhj never was LOL

ppl just finding out is crazy

[arctic sky]

those were not fans so won't give a f abt it

[shy schooner]

Will make it easier to grab tickets

[upper geyser]

💀

[acoustic valve]

why u in njcord just for drama and shitting on them? Go do this in illitcord or smth pls

[upper geyser]

This gets worse for how ppl see nj now too

[upper geyser]

True

you also gotta think what will happen with nj

other than the fued itself

[upper geyser]

Shitting on nj or the mhj?

[lethal hound]

yeah i think whatever happens MHJ and NJ should stick together, her productions def on fire

[upper geyser]

Hybe can take over for them

but some things might get managed differently

[lethal hound]

but wont be the same as with MHJ producing

and creating the concepts

[upper geyser]

since its no longer mhj in charge

yeah

So we might get different concepts than you would expect from nj

And music choice

[lethal hound]

yeah prob

[upper geyser]

Honestly if she just stepped down this fued would have not happened to extent

Its a bad look for both her and nj which had no business being part off

Being caught is crazyy

[serene badge]

mhj is terrible

She tried dragging illit down as a screw you to hybe and so it could look like she had a reason when in reality she had this planned long before illit

[upper geyser]

i mean

Im illit biased but i can see why

[twin cypress]

yea i think i might be in the minority that is team mhj because she is the 6th member of newjeans and is what allows new jeans to be new jeans. all the concepts that we like are approved and made by her. also it isnt a negative for a label to want more of the money from their artists

[serene badge]

That doesn’t matter though

[upper geyser]

but saying they plagiarized newjeans is a reach

[serene badge]

What matters is

She had this planned long before illit from everything being put out

[twin cypress]

if ador is allowed to separate from hybe then new jeans will be paid more by their label

[upper geyser]

Yeah

[upper geyser]

Um they wont

[serene badge]

She just decided to let illit take the fall

[upper geyser]

ador cant survive on its own independently

[lethal hound]

well

[upper geyser]

80% of ador is supported by hybe

[serene badge]

Ador is basically completely funded by hybe isn’t it y

[twin cypress]

they do cause you wont have hybe taking their part of the money. also new jeans is famous enough to survive being independent

[upper geyser]

even it its nj

[upper geyser]

hybe is fully funding them

[lethal hound]

Ador is funded 100% by hybe

[upper geyser]

Do you think all those nj sells are enough??

[acoustic valve]

hybe owns them, they don't "fund" them, not how this works

[lethal hound]

BUT ador can take investments from private equity

[twin cypress]

yea and ador is gonna find other people to fund them after they leave hybe

[serene badge]

Maybe they’d survive on their own but everything quality wise would take a massive hit

[upper geyser]

.

What

[lethal hound]

Hybe owns it so they do fund ador

[upper geyser]

i just lost brain cells

[lethal hound]

Ador can technically partner with a investment company

[serene badge]

Who do you think funded their debut

[twin cypress]

yep

[upper geyser]

Ador gets a certain percentage but hybe gets most of it

[lethal hound]

and go independent if they are able to buy controlling shares

[upper geyser]

its an agreement

mhj broke that

[lethal hound]

hybe did... i know...

[twin cypress]

ador leaving hybe with one of the biggest girl groups will have an easy time finding investors

[acoustic valve]

Ador would run similarly whether hybe owns that 80% or not at this point. So theoretically they will be fine if they go "independent". The thing is, I don't see any situation where Hybe would willingly sell

[serene badge]

Who do you think funded the 6 music videos for their debut, album quality and design, outfits, makeup, hair stylists, makeup stylists

Hybe funded ALL of that

[upper geyser]

Mhj was in a good position as well

her obsession of power got to her

[serene badge]

hybe funds majority of ador and its endeavors because they put trust into min heejin things would turn out right

[lethal hound]

these are all good argument points

[upper geyser]

she basically was using njs reputation to help her furthermore take action in becoming independent

[lethal hound]

its just an weird situation since its internal family fight

[upper geyser]

do you think mhj stands a chance against bang pd

[twin cypress]

i honestly just think your a hybe stan cause every artist dream is to go independent and owning their masters once successful. for example taylor swift

[lethal hound]

depends on which investment company is backing mhj

[serene badge]

What?

[upper geyser]

Not many

I can only think of sm

[serene badge]

I don’t care about hybe

[acoustic valve]

Ador is a business that generated 120B in revenue last year and 26B in profit, they'd have no issue funding whatever else happens. My point is that Hybe only spent money on ador years ago when they invested in it. It's no difference in terms of funding whether or not hybe still owns them at this point

[serene badge]

What I care about is people who think that mhj is being rational and that she’s doing the right thing

[simple ledge]

SM is mainly owned by kakao lmaoooo

[dire bison]

i just hope new jeans stays new jeans

[lethal hound]

well i am sure MHJ can find investment firms and private equity firms that invests in kpop

[upper geyser]

😭😭

[lethal hound]

very easily

[upper geyser]

not enough tbh

[lethal hound]

huh?

[upper geyser]

Idk tho who knows

[lethal hound]

you have no idea

[upper geyser]

Hybe is under the same shithole

its 50:50

[arctic sky]

why would u care so much? are u mhj hater merchant or something lmao

[lethal hound]

kpop investments are so abundant that investors have a hard time buying private firms

[quick wadi]

Enough

[lethal hound]

Hybe is great example

[quick wadi]

quit this

this isn’t a place to argue

[lethal hound]

equity firms investing on hybe

[quick wadi]

take your arguments to Twitter

[twin cypress]

yea the only bad thing (if true) is her leaking info. but wanting to be independent isnt a wrong thing especially if the label is infringing on your artists and dropping newjeans 2.0.

[serene badge]

it’s not wrong to want to be independent

What’s wrong is how she’s going about it

The girls could lose so much

Illit and newjeans got shoved into this when it’s basically just ceo vs ceo

[upper geyser]

All i want is newjeans to not get severely affected by the fued

[snow turtle]

please listen to tim.

[lethal hound]

we all just have to wait until more stuff come out for today

[upper geyser]

this isnt the first time this happened in the kpop industry too

But its been a while tho since the last one

[lethal hound]

it could be very well that MHJ is just getting framed and had no intentions at all

[upper geyser]

I mean she got "caught"

so like

[twin cypress]

new jeans will be way more affected by the lose of mhj because they will lose their identity

[lethal hound]

so says hybe

[upper geyser]

Its sad that shes using nj to get out of her mess

And name dropping other groups

All she needed to do was step down

[acoustic valve]

all unproven allegations, everything will be until one side admits to it or the legal system gets involved. Neither of which has happened yet

[twin cypress]

i mean its a legitimate gripe that ador should have because illit infringed on their artist concepts with the help of hybe

[snow turtle]

wow, so there's a similarity between you and mhj

[upper geyser]

There's similarities

But its not exact

[mild mist]

all she had to say was "the audit will prove that we have done nothing wrong"

but now we have this mess

[primal sage]

omg hi violet

[upper geyser]

Shes that obsessed with becoming independent

[serene badge]

It looks like she used illit copying newjeans as her front for the main reason why she wants to be independent

[primal sage]

MHJ dragging Illit to cover for her allegations was so unserious.

[foggy gyro]

Ador/MHJ first statement to hybe was to name drop Illit the entire time and drag NJ into this. They don't even address any of the serious accusations which tells you where MHJs priorities lay

[cyan delta]

real

[serene badge]

not the fact she’s wanted this for much longer than that

[primal sage]

not even suprised if she’s the one that caused Youngseo’s departure from Illit

[upper geyser]

nono

[twin cypress]

yea but those similarities are going to water down new jeans releases because another hybe group is doing similar sounding music

[upper geyser]

youngseo has nothing to do with this

[upper geyser]

honestly the ego created by newjeans among ppl is insane

[primal sage]

no bcuz apparently the biggest allegation is that there’s in-house abuse of employees happening at ADOR

[simple ledge]

Where’s the proof it’ll water down new jeans releases?

[upper geyser]

That ego of basically saying nj owns a certain sound or concept is insane to me

[acoustic valve]

im not on her side, but i hate seeing one-sided narratives take place. She addressed it, she claims Hybe made these false accusations because she complained about BeLift amongst other issues she had with Hybe's management of ador

[lethal hound]

i mean i guess i am torn between the 2 sides. At the end of the day, Hybe funded and created ADOR

but i want MHJ to still produce NJ

[upper geyser]

but again hybe was the one who provoked ador

[primal sage]

It just shows that MHJ was deflecting allegations and diverted the attention to cause hate against Illit

[upper geyser]

but mhj is pushing it

"Provoked" bc illit "plagiarized" newjeans

[serene badge]

Hybe putting out a statement feels like they wanted to get there first to show their side

[twin cypress]

we shall see with this new comeback if magnetic is going to block newjeans from topping the charts

[acoustic valve]

charts is really the least important thing rn lets be fr

[serene badge]

There is deff more reason behind but like

[primal sage]

ok but K-pop musically always hops on the biggest trend in the present so…

[cyan delta]

i dont think so, theres a pretty fine gap between illits debut and newjeans' comeback in may -_-

[upper geyser]

Yeah

[arctic sky]

the hate on illit was there in the first thing before this all exploded, i highly doubt that was the case

this take coming from illit fans

[upper geyser]

hybe groups get the most hate its insane

[serene badge]

Bringing this issue to the public most likely wouldn’t have happened if something wasnt going on with mhj/ador

[primal sage]

exactly and the allegation is that MHJ and her minions have caused negative public opinion of HYBE artists, leak info from fellow artists

[serene badge]

That being said, they could just want mhj out for total control over newjeans

[upper geyser]

also youngseo was a mutual agreement with be lift nothing to do with hybe or ador

[serene badge]

But we don’t know yet

[lethal hound]

Its fine at the end of the day Illit and NJ are from the same holding company

it doesnt matter about the copy part

[primal sage]

without HYBE, NewJeans wouldn’t blow up this fast

[upper geyser]

its just the fanbase

[lethal hound]

thats just MHJ's complaint on to hybe which doesnt matter

[upper geyser]

fanbases make useless arguments

which makes things 100x worse

[primal sage]

for now yes

dragging illit for all her potential wrongdoings is absolutely vile, sickening behavior, when they’ve already been having a hate train the past week cuz of their fandom name

[lethal hound]

There should be a POLL

channel wide

[quick wadi]

yeah no

[lethal hound]

😦

[reef dawn]

What would we have a poll about lmao

[slender spoke]

[lethal hound]

Pro sticking with hybe VS Pro sticking with MHJ

[slender spoke]

tf

[reef dawn]

Yeah pass

[simple ledge]

that’s so messed up to do

[slender spoke]

are you tryna create a civil war LMFAO

[lethal hound]

LOL

[quick wadi]

just going to make this thread worse than it is

[simple ledge]

Support the members is the only option

[lethal hound]

at least we get to see where the fan opinions are at

[primal sage]

so y’all is the nwjns comeback probably delayed cuz of this or

[slender spoke]

you can just look at twitter if you wanna see peoples opinions

[snow turtle]

"fan" opinions

[simple ledge]

uh then you can go on twitter

[acoustic valve]

reality check: just because fans treat idols like they're babies; it doesn't mean executives or companies do. MHJ is struggling and presenting the best narrative that will protect her. Hybe will likely do the same if they were pushed into a similar situation, whether it "drags" idols or not is irrelevant if they think it will give them a favorable outcome

[reef dawn]

Yeah we're not exactly interested in making the arguments worse

[lethal hound]

😔 okay

thought it was a friendly debate

[upper geyser]

Most likely not

they will prob give an announcement if it did sooner or later

[final crane]

@hoary frost

[primal sage]

it’s so wild tho

the situation feels like a fever dream

[lethal hound]

i know i thought MHJ and Bang PD were in good terms

[primal sage]

anyways

[lethal hound]

yeah i didnt know

[hoary frost]

tysm

[final crane]

np

[upper geyser]

They were until mhj did her thing

Bang pd gave her a good position as well

[lethal hound]

whoa lets not mud swing yet we need to let this play out

[upper geyser]

Her intentions got to her head

[acoustic valve]

being parasocial about idols is one thing, but being parasocial for the C-suite is wild. In the kindest possible way; they're not your friends or acquintances, none of us have any idea wtf happened or is happening behind closed doors other than what they're intentionally leaking to the media in order to push their own agendas and narratives

[primal sage]

She bit the hand who fed her

[upper geyser]

well she did help nj alot but bts she was just using the girls

[primal sage]

No one’s being parasocial

[snow turtle]

Read the thread

[primal sage]

your being too extra ngl taroboba

[lethal hound]

i agree if what hybe is saying is true but this could all be a misunderstanding

[snow turtle]

bro is the only one that gets it and i'm happy that at least someone is voicing that opinion

[primal sage]

if this becomes a 50 50 situation 2.0 that would be so messy…

[lethal hound]

i pray it wont be a5050 situation

[ionic furnace]

Mhj is cooked

[upper geyser]

We just hope mhj doesnt sabotage newjeans

[lethal hound]

dam i didnt know there was such hate for MHJ

[upper geyser]

for a long time

[snow turtle]

[lethal hound]

i respect her work though

[quick wadi]

[primal sage]

either way the girls are gonna be affected by all this, that’s who I feel the most sad abt. They are gonna be caught in the crossfires of the HYBE ADOR feud.

[upper geyser]

i do too she did a lot of the girl but shes just very ambitious

and selfish

[acoustic valve]

MHJ will do what she does and look after her own best interests, hybe will do the same, I will only hope NJ does similarly and makes the best choice if they get directly involved

[lethal hound]

most definitely look at Aespa now after the SM coup controversy

[old cypress]

if anything mhj is reacting that way precisely because she believes hybe is sabotaging newjeans

[arctic sky]

nothing wrong in being ambitious and being selfish is another thing

[ionic furnace]

Someone give me a rundown of all this and 2 ultimatums on the theoretical route this could lead towards for example min hee jin being kicked from hybe or etc

Cause I just woke up to this

[reef dawn]

Noone knows what could happen though lmao

[acoustic valve]

that's her perspective; we're all the heroes of our own story and villains to the people we disagree with

[ionic furnace]

Which is why I asked for a theoretical route…

[quick wadi]

all the actual info can be found in pinned, nothings confirmed

[primal sage]

and we all have our own subjective opinions abt it which shouldn’t be silenced, and no, it isn’t “parasocialism”. It’s simply free speech, that’s why there’s a discussion where we can freely talk about what we think.

[ionic furnace]

Oh

[lethal hound]

MHJ getting accused by hybe of a coup de tat and attept to going independent

1 route is 50 50 like case

2nd route aespa SM coup case

[acoustic valve]

yes, which is why exageratted claims of "omg this side or that side is evil" is pointless in a case like this, where nothing concrete is even confirmed yet

[ionic furnace]

So mhj is basically a megalomaniac

[lethal hound]

3rd route ADOR goes independent

[simple ledge]

Can you stop name dropping aespa? They have nothing to do with this

[old cypress]

how do you reach that conclusion lol

[arctic sky]

imo this is all bs that HYBE is cooking to put her down, there's no way she was planning a so called hostile takeover when owns only 20% of shares.

[ionic furnace]

She’s power hungry?

[lethal hound]

thats just an accusation this can be a misunderstanding

[primal sage]

Well don’t drag people for having their own opinions with miles of paragraphs and accuse them of being “parasocial”

[lethal hound]

well SM had a similar case

[ionic furnace]

I see

[simple ledge]

And it had nothing to do with aespa

[lethal hound]

i agree with you but its still possible if MHJ partners with an investment firm

and buys hybe shares

[primal sage]

I guess we will see once the HYBE investigation is launched

[lethal hound]

or if hybe decides to sell

[reef dawn]

I highly doubt hybe is selling lmao

[lethal hound]

okay true il stop i was just trying to refer to the SM Coup

[primal sage]

there’s also more “accusations” like in-house abuse at ADOR, leaking of HYBE artist information, etc., it’s not only about the hostile takeover remark

[arctic sky]

she must be so stupid if that allegations were proven to be the truth

[lethal hound]

this accusation is an add on though

[old cypress]

bang pd only owns 31% of hybe, the rest is shared between various investors and the public

[lethal hound]

like to bring sentiment to hybe's side

[lethal hound]

hybe owns 80%

[reef dawn]

Not what they said

[old cypress]

31% of hybe not ador

[acoustic valve]

Hybe won't sell unless they're forced to, and I don't see any simple situations where they would. The basis of Hybe's accusations of MHJ's wrongdoing is that she was looking for ways to force hybe to sell afterall

[primal sage]

we will see, whatever happens once the investigation has the details

[lethal hound]

wait what do you mean this is a fact that hybe owns 80%

[old cypress]

you didn't read

[reef dawn]

Did you read the message you replied to

[snow turtle]

sums up the whole situation

[primal sage]

oop—-

[snow turtle]

can we chill now

[lethal hound]

wait you can just google "ador ownership" and it tells you

hybe owns 80% of ador

[reef dawn]

Brother.

[old cypress]

[snow turtle]

they said bang pd ONLY OWNS 31% OF HYBE

[lethal hound]

ohhhhh

[primal sage]

bang pd specifically

[snow turtle]

[lethal hound]

Sorry my bad

[primal sage]

it was so wild waking up to the audit news

[dry atlas]

finix get out of this thread

for your own sanity

[quick wadi]

gts Mel.

[cosmic sage]

sleep is for the weak

[west osprey]

Based

[dry atlas]

i just woke up..

[quick wadi]

Goodnight Mel

[hoary frost]

same hello

[snow turtle]

i am, just dropped in cuz your staff was talking smack again. i'm inner peace again. 🧘

[lethal hound]

LOL but wait until for more news from korea

mud slinging will continue

[somber pumice]

F** you finix

[rose turret]

?

[somber pumice]

You too

[west osprey]

[primal sage]

both getting at it at each other

[primal sage]

They funded them during debut era

[old cypress]

yep hybe owns 80% because of the initial funding

it's the only reason hybe owns 80%

[twin cypress]

also i dont get why people are saying new jeans will be harmed like 5050 during this situation. these are two different situations: one was group vs ceo and new jeans is ceo vs ceo. also 50 50 was a new group and new jeans is a solidified group. what is gonna hurt new jeans more is losing mhj creative direction. neither ador or hybe is gonna harm their top gg

[primal sage]

They are a solidified group, it’s the question is if nwjns will join MHJ if she leaves HYBE or if they will stay if she’s gone

[old cypress]

yeah 5050 situation is completely different

it highlights the poor understanding of today's events

[lethal hound]

it is different but 5050 was also ceo vs ceo

50/50 also was an already debuted group already

but i agree its not a similar case, but similar in a sense that its both coup like argument

[primal sage]

thoughts on the illit mention in the articles?

[lethal hound]

for control and trying to go against their original company

[lethal hound]

mud slinging

[acoustic valve]

Yes, and hybe no longer funds ador after they paid back their debut era debts a long time ago, that was the point

[old cypress]

there's no debt

hybe gets their money back through profits

[lethal hound]

funding is not a loan

[primal sage]

Well, it’s clearly not how it worked. No need to be so aggressive. Take a chill pill.

[acoustic valve]

investment is different from loan; but ador did have outstanding debts which they cleared in 1q or 2q 2023

[acoustic valve]

ur the one replying to my statement

[primal sage]

It’s not a loan

it’s just a budget/allocation to support them financially

[silent spade]

Ngl, her name dropping Illit like that, the whole mud slinging, will severely dampen any chance of reconciliation. But it’s not like Hybe wasn’t already bent on ousting her anyway.

[white arch]

I think

Theres a

[primal sage]

The name dropping of illit is definitely the nail in the coffin

[ruby garden]

i don't care what happens to mhj as long as nj remain untouched

the problem is the people responsible for nj sound are outsourced ex SM employees and mhj loyalist

imagine nj without 250

[twin cypress]

removing mhj is the same as touching new jeans. its like removing a member since she is so involved in the direction of the group.

[rose turret]

Erm what

[silent spade]

Also including NewJeans in her statement was a dick move for sure

[lethal hound]

MHJ created NJ and their concepts and vision

[white arch]

baited

[lethal hound]

MHJ is defending herself

[primal sage]

ouuu

[lethal hound]

When she is audited and asked to step down and release on media

she has every right to defend

[twin cypress]

if mhj was an executive that sat back while other do work it would be like yea you could remove her without newjeans being affected but since she is so hands on with the group then the group will never be the same

[primal sage]

well unfortunately that might be the future

[ruby garden]

best case scenario mhj steps down as CEO and takes a creative director position and hybe installs their own guy

[primal sage]

hopefully but now the likelihood is dropping

[ruby garden]

i don't see a future where mhj is still the ceo

[primal sage]

there’s a slight chance if both sides compromise

[old cypress]

the truth is nobody here has any clue of what's going to happen lol

[ruby garden]

i doubt she will go down without a fight

[twin cypress]

it depends on how much newjeans stick up for her

[primal sage]

so far, they are going with the smartest route by staying silent

[ruby garden]

it's best for them to let them duke it out

[twin cypress]

i mean new jeans doesnt really have outlets to speak out on to be fair

they dont got socials like that and phoning is controlled by ador

[ruby garden]

if there comes a choice of mhj or hybe, hybe is the correct option for their career

[lethal hound]

they are not allowed to say anything bad about their company

so artist wont speak out unless they are trying to leave their contracts

[primal sage]

oh yup that’s true

[lethal hound]

if they are allowed they can just talk to a reporter

[twin cypress]

we will only hear their opinion in a interview by reporter

like at an event or something

[lethal hound]

but they are not allowed to comment

[primal sage]

it’s best that they just avoid the topic

[lethal hound]

on their company cause of NDA

have you guys ever heard of an kpop artist saying anything bad about their own company that they are signed into? except for the ones that are trying to sue their way out of their contracts

[old cypress]

yes a lot

[lethal hound]

which one?

[old cypress]

plenty of artsits shading their company

[lethal hound]

no name just one

[old cypress]

gidle to start with

[twin cypress]

under mhj i felt new jeans will never disband but idk man they might not last after this first contract

[old cypress]

also this is not what nda stands for

[lethal hound]

which public statement?

[lethal hound]

non disclosure agreement also includes opinions

[twin cypress]

mhj and ador gave new jeans hella freedom

[lethal hound]

that shades the company

[old cypress]

not in a public statement, just on stream

[primal sage]

nwjns musically will go through a big change if mhj is gone

[lethal hound]

yeah they might complain they dont have certain things

but they will never critize a their own company to a reporter

or any expose of their company

or any public statments

[primal sage]

a lot of artists but they all aren’t from the big4

[silent spade]

Nah g-idle shits on cube all the time

[lethal hound]

name one

complaining and mud slinging is very different

im actually surprised

people dont know this

[twin cypress]

they probably stop experimenting with the sounds mhj pushed for and just get super pop focused

[lethal hound]

G- idle complaining is more like complaint that there company doesnt do certain things

[primal sage]

exactly

[twin cypress]

my worry is that hybe will sexualize them more after mhj is gone

[jade quartz]

guys im still confused can anyone explain for me?

[primal sage]

oh thats- I don’t think so

[simple ledge]

Did you read the pinned stuff

[twin cypress]

mhj wanted to go independent. hybe found out and audited ador and is asking her to step down.

[jade quartz]

uh oh

[tawdry vessel]

this is misinformation

[lethal hound]

LOL creative

[twin cypress]

its basically the tl dr

[tawdry vessel]

mhj already denied this

[twin cypress]

see im just saying what hybe is claiming in that statement. im not saying its true or not but according to hybe thats why they want her gone.

[lethal hound]

MHJ side is saying she complained about the Illit being a copy of NJ made HYBE wanting to fire her

[tawdry vessel]

yeah

[lethal hound]

its all he said she said

[tawdry vessel]

mhj complained then hybe got pissed and accussed mhj of a coup

[lethal hound]

court battles will insue if they dont compromise

cause you cant fire someone for that reason in korean labor laws

thats why they are asking her to step down

[ruby garden]

she wouldn't be doing this if she dgaf about them

[twin cypress]

if there is someone who cares the most about nwjns besides the members itself its mhj lol

[tawdry vessel]

very true

[tranquil pivot]

I find I hard to believe that HYBE would want to fire MHJ because she complained. You don’t fire the CEO and creative behind your most successful girl group because of a complaint. That part didn’t smell right to me

[tawdry vessel]

and hybe only cares for money

[old cypress]

it's not about the complaint

[jade quartz]

HELP

[old cypress]

it's about hybe and ador falling out

mhj is looking to get out of hybe because hybe won't comply with her asks about illit etc

[lethal hound]

isnt MHJ denying this

[silent spade]

Not only that, but to go as far as making stuff up with these accusations seems unlikely. That would backfire really quickly

[old cypress]

she denied the illegal stuff

[simple ledge]

They only got as far as her wanting a meeting

She hasn’t made any demands

[silent spade]

Right I guess we’ll see how it goes

[lethal hound]

No she is denying of ever trying to be independent

read the article again

[tranquil pivot]

Her statement said she complained about plagiarism. And then they wanted her to step down

[tribal sand]

Hey chat

Oops wrong chat

[old cypress]

it's obviously not that straightforward lol

[dry atlas]

if you're gonna reply with a tldr pls include both sides

[lethal hound]

Thats literally word by word statement

[tranquil pivot]

This might very well have to go to court before we get the truth. Only safe side to be on is NewJeans’ side. Can’t trust people when it comes to money and power

[old cypress]

no

[lethal hound]

Min Hee-jin stated, "Ironically, the cultural achievements of NewJeans are being seriously infringed upon by Hybe, the very entity that should have prevented it."

[old cypress]

also stated that ador didn't allow hybe belift to copy newjeans

[twin cypress]

i mean i just responded with the side that caused this whole mess. mhj was probably chilling until hybe went on the attack

[old cypress]

nobody asks a CEO to step down because she complained about something, let's be for real lol

there's a fatal disagreement on how things are being handled which is what both statements are showing

[lethal hound]

wait so you really think asking MHJ to step down and Illit complaint is a very separate issue? on the same day

[foggy gyro]

Anyways I bet Bang PD regrets having Taehyung work with MHJ lol

[ruby garden]

Nothing is confirmed. Hybe went to the media about the audit and alleged misconduct of Ador's executives. Ador responded back saying hybe's allegations are not true and that they reported to hybe about concept overlap and plagiarism but got with with a random audit. We don't know anything more.

[old cypress]

no but it's part of the bigger picture

[ruby garden]

I'm hoping there's an update within the next hour

[lethal hound]

Ador's management rights, stating, "The allegations that we are trying to take over the management are completely untrue.

this is what they are saying..?

[simple ledge]

That’s taehyungs choice and has nothing to do with this

[ruby garden]

I don't think Bang PD has any control over who BTS members work with

[silent spade]

While I believe that must’ve felt frustrating for her seeing those strong similarities, it’s not like they exactly copied 1:1 (literally plagiarized). And even if Hybe did, aren’t they copying from one of their own assets to another?

[lethal hound]

Ador representative argues that "the conflict with Hybe originated from 'subsidiary plagiarism controversies,"

[hoary frost]

mhj issued new statement

[twin cypress]

if ador housed both illit and newjeans it would be fine but its two different sub labels

[hoary frost]

did yall post yet

[old cypress]

Yes and no because ador is supposed to be semi independent

[dry atlas]

https://n.news.naver.com/article/022/0003926599?sid=101

[silent spade]

But they still own 80%

[hoary frost]

https://naver.me/GCajJLjB

[old cypress]

yeah but have no say on the day to day business of ador

[lethal hound]

dam fresh news HERE WE GO

[old cypress]

here we go again

[primal sage]

oh my 😭

[lethal hound]

true but they can change CEO

[simple ledge]

You don’t need to have say in day to day operations to own shares of a company

[silent spade]

This. It doesn’t really matter who runs the day to day business when they own the whole thing

[old cypress]

it takes time to change the ceo even if hybe owns 80%

[twin cypress]

the best way to think about it is that hybe is the distrubition system and ador and belift are the labels artists are signed to and make the important decisions

[hoary frost]

she mentions 5050

[lethal hound]

boom she does claim that as a reason

[twin cypress]

its like how in the U.S you can be signed to UMG and be in a sub label like interscope or capitol records

[old cypress]

what's the link for that?

[lethal hound]

guys this is super damming

[hoary frost]

https://m.entertain.naver.com/article/241/0003345759

[old cypress]

ok there are 2 articles then

[lethal hound]

They are saying HIBE discovered internal documents that appears to outline how to secure management rights

[silent spade]

Udoor 😆 these machine translations keep getting funnier

[white arch]

WHAT HAPPEND NOW

[arctic sky]

See this is my comment earlier "SHE'S NOT STUPID" exactly my word.

[tawdry vessel]

i love new genes from udoor

we stand with mhj and nj

[lethal hound]

if you can read korean also read this

[tawdry vessel]

fuck hybe

[dry atlas]

MHJ interview (basically just reiterating ador's postion): https://m.entertain.naver.com/article/241/0003345759

[silent spade]

Nugenes only

[lethal hound]

https://n.news.naver.com/article/022/0003926599?sid=101

[white arch]

im asking if theres any updates

[outer canopy]

Well, at least her defense doesn't totally suck.

[fresh tiger]

She used nj as a shield 💀

[mild stratus]

please dont flood the thread with memes, if u dont have anything to say, just read

[dry atlas]

HYBE discovers document outlining how to secure managements rights in ADOR computers: https://n.news.naver.com/article/022/0003926599?sid=101

[finite osprey]

were against mhj right

[lethal hound]

documents found that appears to outline MHJ intending to secure management rights

[outer canopy]

oh my

[fresh tiger]

Yeah

[outer canopy]

😨

[fresh tiger]

The things she did are just awful

[tawdry vessel]

she's protecting her work

[fresh tiger]

Yeah

[jade quartz]

wait let’s see

I’m gonna read the article now

[fleet nebula]

yeah how dare she create one of the best kpop groups in modern history....such an awful human

[fresh tiger]

Exactly

[twin cypress]

nah mhj has done nothing wrong yet

[hoary frost]

hybe's claim

[fresh tiger]

And the fact that she leaked medical records of trainees….

[twin cypress]

that hasnt been proven yet

[old cypress]

allegedly

[finite osprey]

bye i saw that

[wet jewel]

[outer canopy]

I mean, if HYBE discovered a document about seizing management rights...I'd say she's pretty guilty

[fresh tiger]

Ik but like apparently

[hoary frost]

hybe says that it was downloaded but can they prove that it was leaked?

[tawdry vessel]

stop spreading misinformation

[quick wadi]

“the fact”

[old cypress]

i'm curious about the plan tbh considering hybe owns 80% of ador

[acoustic valve]

that's not illegal...

[quick wadi]

just objected yourself lol

[outer canopy]

I don't believe she leaked private information about trainees though.

[fleet nebula]

innocent until proven guilty

[simple ledge]

That’s what the audit is for

[quick wadi]

stop spreading claims as facts

[acoustic valve]

planning to seize management rights is no illegal, or even inethical, depending on whatever contract she has with hybe

[arctic sky]

this article didn't say how ADOR obtained this document through her per se, it was found in the computer and downloaded from HYBE sytem through one of the boards before moved to ador. AND the document was not leaked to the public, so it's hard to say its hostile attempts.

[lethal hound]

This is important cause this is grounds on firing

[outer canopy]

well, the thing is she says it herself, that it'd be stupid since she only owns 18%. so I don't know either

[hoary frost]

exactly. theyre assuming mr. a did it with mhj direction or something

[lethal hound]

So the reason why Hibe would want to find documents is because its not easy to fire due employeee protection laws in korea

[outer canopy]

I dont understand, does it mean it was found in ADOR's seized computers or not?

[ashen charm]

will they halt activites ?

[proud flax]

mhj being mhj again

[acoustic valve]

she's not a mere employee, and so much hinges on her contract with hybe which we have no way of knowing. What is definitely illegal if proven is if her accomplice leaked confidential hybe financial statements to outsiders. Which is why hybe hit them with this in their first press release

[old cypress]

what do you know about protection laws in korea? asking out of curiosity

[lethal hound]

im an employee living in korea working for korean company ( i am korean american though)

[arctic sky]

read the articles u'll know. so in short yes.

[ashen charm]

are the hype buliding liights still on?

[jade quartz]

HRLP

[old cypress]

I see

[outer canopy]

🤕

MHJ indefinite hiatus 🤧

[lethal hound]

they asked her to step down. they MIGHT be angling to fire her

this is an assumption though my guess

[ashen charm]

inc ador album postpone ment

[acoustic valve]

hybe claims it was found, there's no confirmation unless ador agrees, even if begrudgingly. There's no way to confirm any information rn unless both sides agree or it goes to court

[lethal hound]

Paper trail documents are easy to prove though so we will see if this can get confirmed

[waxen shell]

They will likely vote to move her out if she won’t voluntarily resign

shareholders have a lot of power

[acoustic valve]

i will say, if there was concrete evidence, the police would have already been involved, if not before it even gets there

[waxen shell]

Maybe not. 5$36 light have to bring them evidences

[lethal hound]

If so MHJ can sue

and Hybe will take a big hit

[old cypress]

police doesn't have to be involved if it's only against the company regulations not the law

[waxen shell]

HYBE is alleging she broke some laws with insider trading but need proof to build a legal case

[lethal hound]

this is not a criminal case

[waxen shell]

That’s where they are at. If she is found guilty she’s cooked

[mild stratus]

Last reminder to discuss about the AUDIT only.
Don't attack MHJ or HYBE about unrelated stuff to the audit.
Nothing is a fact yet.
You will be timed out/banned without warning otherwise.

[waxen shell]

Oh sorry! Also hello

Can we pin chat rules to the top

[lethal hound]

so no discussions about the hybe's statements about MHJ

[acoustic valve]

we don't know their contracts. There might even be a clause that the board can't forcibly remove her even if they vote, they'd have to either make her resign or bring in the law. This sounds likely considering how mhj always mentions she her deal with hybe was "full autonomy and independence"

[waxen shell]

I didn’t know we weren’t allowed to discuss certain aspect, I do apologize 💕

[lethal hound]

CEO is not a contractual emplyeement

[waxen shell]

might help me not spin out into anxious thinking too lol

[lethal hound]

its an actually full time

[waxen shell]

(Too late)

[lethal hound]

job

[quick wadi]

ADOR Audit Discussion

[old cypress]

that's not what they said

[tribal sand]

Yo whattttt

[lethal hound]

hmm where did they say that? just sourcing wise

[acoustic valve]

the company charter of ador is effectively the same thing, anything could be written on it tbh

[lethal hound]

yeah but korean employment law will supercede that

[waxen shell]

That’s speculation at best

[lethal hound]

huh?

[mild stratus]

u can discuss about all the news posts
just making clear to people to not bring mhj past or anything unrelated to the case

[lethal hound]

your saying korean corporate laws dont apply to

[waxen shell]

unles we are Korean entertainment lawyers here lol

[lethal hound]

hibe?

[lethal hound]

yeah but its common knowledge in korea though

[waxen shell]

I didn’t say that. But are you by chance a lawyer from Korea? Do you know exactly which laws are being infringements upon ?

[lethal hound]

i will have to double check if CEO is considered an employee

[waxen shell]

Just curious . I am not. So I do not know

But Tim said we cannot discuss this or people will get banned

The audit is only allowed to be discussed

[lethal hound]

i guess im not a lawyer but im just saying because companies will have a hard time firing for no reason. Hybe will focus on finding something to find a reason to fire

[waxen shell]

HYBE has a lot to lose by bringing the audit public. I’m guessing they have just cause to look into it

[lethal hound]

Sorry but quick question, so MHJ's statements and new news articles are okay right???

[old cypress]

that's if the company charter allows hybe to fire the ceo which was the whole taroboba point

[mild stratus]

yeah

[waxen shell]

I will take my more speculative stuff to Reddit if need be 😭😭 💕

[arctic sky]

when in doubt

[primal sage]

w chatgpt

[lethal hound]

yeah i get that but company charter does not override federal rules

[waxen shell]

I was right ☠️

[lethal hound]

but is CEO included in the same employement protections laws

[acoustic valve]

its not a criminal case rn, but hybe claims there's evidence that would make it such, evidence of leaking confidential financial documents would turn this into one.

[waxen shell]

Yes they are still beholden to keeping the sharholders happy

[lethal hound]

oh okay that is true forgot about that

[waxen shell]

The company is publicly traded so the sharholders choose most things like CEO

[waxen shell]

This

[lethal hound]

i get how companies work in terms of board of directors

but it still needs to abide by

[waxen shell]

I wasn’t just speaking to you 😅

[lethal hound]

ohhh sorry

[fluid folio]

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMMqLrR3G/

[harsh dove]

@nickelz._

[waxen shell]

yeah that’s the jist of it. It’s all just preliminary gathering of facts

[acoustic valve]

the board still has to abide by contracts legally, if the board agreed to a company charter that says they can't unilaterally fire mhj; they'd have to abide by it or find a loophole such as her resigning or committing a crime in order to force her out

[waxen shell]

Please don’t discuss that. That’s a topic you can get banned for here

[jade quartz]

Ok

[acoustic valve]

but like, we rly don't know any of their contracts, so all speculation

i just feel so super sorry for danielle today

[tribal sand]

What happened?

[acoustic valve]

she has celine event coming up and have to be in public by herself, pretending everything is fine. can't be comfortable or easy. Bet last thing she wants to do right now is to be in public being photographed by hundreds

[simple ledge]

it'll be okay, she's a professional

[potent lichen]

I’m sure Dani has been PR prepped on what to answer if anyone does ask. Probably will just say No comment

[somber pumice]

I honestly don't think she'll even respond to those questions

[tiny peak]

oh my god the latest MHJ interview is coming in hot

[arctic sky]

link?

[tiny peak]

https://isplus.com/article/view/isp202404230011

[jade quartz]

Thanks

I hope NewJeans will still comeback

[tiny peak]

she is not happy with. HYBE at all

[acoustic valve]

still perplexed why hybe went so aggro so quickly, releasing numerous leaks against mhj before the audit had even barely begun. Must be so key details we still don't know... well, that's kind of a given i guess

[jade quartz]

wait what does the interview say it won’t load for me

[lethal hound]

MHJ is heavily denying it

[storm wind]

https://x.com/cato_o_o/status/1782541584233288191?s=46

Cato_o_o (@cato_o_o) on X

Article titled [Exclusive] CEO Min Hee-jin "I've never met any investors.. I was just a whistleblower” (Interview)

Per interview,

1. MHJ - “I have never attempted to seize the management of Ador, as claimed by HYBE. How can I take over management with my 18% stake," she..1/14

Twitter · Apr 22, 2024, 10:46 PM

[lethal hound]

what she is saying seems plausible.. how could she think she can take ownership control with 20%

[white arch]

Any news?

[lethal hound]

shes denying ever attempting to go independent and criticized why Hybe made this all public at an important time for newjeans

comeback

[fleet nebula]

yeah, she made a lot of sense in that new interview

[white arch]

omg

But they found info on the Adors pc right? or i readed bad

[acoustic valve]

Basically, this is quickly becoming a "he said, she said" argument, going to court seems likely atp

[lethal hound]

yeah so one news is MHJ interview and the other news is HYBE's statement

[drifting scaffold]

I am praying that a hiatus is not in the horizon

[lethal hound]

yeah its turning into mud slinging and he said she said

[tiny peak]

mess, mess, mess, mess, mess, mess, mess

[fleet nebula]

Filed complaint internally about ILLIT copying NJ essence a month-ish ago, now hit with this just before NJ release, nothing but mess

[tiny peak]

right? the timing is so weird

[acoustic valve]

only thing I can think of with those rapidfire leaks from hybe is that it would intimidate mhj into resigning, and also give hybe PR damage control for sacking one of their creative giants. But now that she's blatantly fighting back, it seems they will have to settle this legally

[primal sage]

it’s a big mess

[lethal hound]

the claim is that they found a document that implies going independent

but we might have to wait for confirmation

only one news reported it

[fleet nebula]

I mean, anyone can create a document saying anything, can't really use that as evidence for it, especially if nothing acted on

[lethal hound]

written or typed documents that are filed

are definitely one of common evidence

courts use to prove corporate

[fleet nebula]

yeah true, conspiracy to act on xyz

[lethal hound]

yup exactly+

[acoustic valve]

which is kind of a gray accusation; meaning it might not really matter if she hasn't done anything explicitly illegal. Meeting and considering divestment opportunities for the company is not illegal afaik, unless there's some weird clauses in a contract. It would be an issue if she knowingly leaked confidential info though, right now, the case is resting on whether hybe finds evidence for that

[lethal hound]

tru e its not illegal but it does prove coup which means the board of directors have the right to fire

[arctic sky]

the fact that HYBE knew this all along that we would be having a cb still proceeded into having an internal audits simply means they don't care about NJ.

[tiny peak]

like why would HYBE retaliate like this over an official complaint? it's either HYBE is a horrible company who power tripped or maybe she did do some wrongs, just trying to understand the motivation

[upper geyser]

Hybe has always been part of big issues and fueds

[acoustic valve]

a "coup" itself may not be grounds for anything either, there's just so many variables it depends on. Stuff that will likely come to light if and when this goes to court

[lethal hound]

maybe power trip

[hoary frost]

is VP same as Mr. A or they are different people

[simple ledge]

comebacks are planned out months in advance, they wouldn't wait until right before comeback as a gotcha thing

if they didn't care, all comeback schedule would have been cancelled already

[lethal hound]

conspiracy to go independent (which the document may prove) is grounds to fire

its not a criminal crime though

its just one evidence i agree

[acoustic valve]

It's politics, there's rarely "good guy" or "bad guy". It's just people looking after their own selfish interests, whether those interests be money, pride, or something else entirely

[lethal terrace]

Tip: If your company provides you with a computer, only use it for work. It’s crazy to think compromising info might’ve been found like that

[tiny peak]

what she's claiming is extremely irrational behvaior by HYBE, but let's say it's somehow true, I woudl despise that company with all my being

[hoary frost]

imo nothing said here suggests that she did any of that. it seems Mr. A had file and played key role, but whether Mr. A was tied with MHJ or worked independently or had some suspicious agenda instructed by third party. it is hard to say

[acoustic valve]

don't trust her claims at face value either, she understandably painted a narrative that is as beneficial to her as possible

[primal sage]

so, at this points, it all depends on Mr. A?

[hoary frost]

Mr. A is the one with key info on computer

[lethal hound]

sigh* this all just doesnt look good for newjeans

their future could be at stake

[hoary frost]

MHJ claims she never met investors, unless they can prove it they she did and also has something in her computer, what can they prove?

[tiny peak]

god if this is some korean partiarchy, hierarchiy bullsh*t, i'll be so mad

[hoary frost]

hybe is selling story as mr. a was close to mhj hence its mhj doing

[primal sage]

its best we try to stay level headed during these times

[hoary frost]

but mr. a initially transferred from hybe IR to ador. thats how he had access to key info.

[acoustic valve]

newjeans, carving their name into kpop history even without a cb in almost a year. Being a tokki is going to be one of the most wild kpop fan experiences ever. Look on the few positives

[grand sapphire]

Yeah, it’s best to stay neutral especially since we don’t know what is true

[lethal hound]

depends on more documents i guess. Audit might bring more info

[west osprey]

And to juuuust wait for more info

[primal sage]

its been quite the rollercoaster

[west osprey]

Sit down, relax, wait for Friday, get a snack

[acoustic valve]

yep, I'm just going to remain relatively neutral and suspiscious of all sides, I'll just place my trust in the girls and support whatever they decide if they do pick a side

[valid sierra]

witnessing these whole fiasco as an accountancy student is so much fun

[primal sage]

ohh-

[jade cypress]

SJ truly my goat

[lethal hound]

im not taking any side at all but realistically this looks like a losing fight for MHJ

[lethal terrace]

You could write a paper on this and I’d read it

[lethal hound]

at the end she only has 20%

[dry atlas]

who

[lethal hound]

NewJeans technically cant even choose a side

[hoary frost]

i just find this suspicious idk

[lethal hound]

they have to either sue for release of contract or just stay with the shareholder

[arctic sky]

By having 'em to pick a side is cruel

[somber phoenix]

is that real HYBE building in 2-3 AM lights are still on ?😭

[lethal hound]

even if true they have to still prove that Mr A leaked it to the public. Remember ADOR is part of HYBE they have every right to get information. they just cant release it to the public

[tribal sand]

She'll be okay

[hoary frost]

yeah and hybe needs to try to pin it mhj in a way that accusation makes sense

[lethal hound]

ADOR is part of HYBE they have every right to get information. they just cant release it to the public

[hoary frost]

except if they can find anything in her pc or have evidence of anything she has done

[steep torrent]

another tarot card prediction why have they all been so accurate lol
https://x.com/vminnsm/status/1782480570984825157

bear 🫧 (@vminnsm) on X

save me prediction accounts…save me

Twitter · Apr 22, 2024, 6:44 PM

[lethal hound]

yeah im just interested on what HYBE finds during the audit

[dry atlas]

haha i saw these and ig it's nice they're consistent

[hoary frost]

they will find NJ1 buried in one of the files

[heady harbor]

burner account for an employee wtf monkaW

[primal sage]

tarot might be on to something here lowkey lmao

[acoustic valve]

confirmation bias, but a part of me also wishes it was true and everything will turn out just fine

[cobalt flicker]

Interested in finding out evidences from both sides.

My only hate so far is MHJ herself for name dropping ILLIT in the statement and furthermore claiming that the statement was issued after discussion with newjeans & their legal representative. She is working the crowd and igniting fandom war.

[lethal hound]

me too.. what scares me though is that the way they are talking, it seems bridges are burned

[hoary frost]

she says she wants to focus on newjeans schedule so she doesn't plan to abandon them or leave ador

she is going to confider all options she currently has

and pick the best, i hope nj is priority when she picks it

[acoustic valve]

it proves she's no saint and doesn't hold the wellbeing of idols on a pedestal that she won't harm in order to protect herself, so like every executive ever. I just hope the girls will be able to get some independent consultation on what they should do

[lethal hound]

well the sad part is NewJeans have no options

[hoary frost]

i did think ador could go independent maybe in like 5-7 years, but escaping hybe clutches will be hard.

[lethal hound]

unless they decide the break contract by going to court

[cobalt flicker]

I always felt that MHJ is too egotistical, inserting herself into every success of newjeans, somewhat making it easier to control/convince the members & their families

[lethal hound]

she produced them though..

[hoary frost]

keep topic on audit. not on judging characters u dont know

[lethal hound]

thats like hating on Dr. Dre for Eminem and Tupac

[hoary frost]

mods said so

[upper geyser]

Rip pinged all m o d s

[cobalt flicker]

Yes, but this is felt like she is in full control of every situation which is also sort of dangerous, don’t you think?

[upper geyser]

well with the position bang pd gave her yes

[lethal hound]

well she doesnt have full control i think thats the problem

[acoustic valve]

just hoping the girls lawyer up with reps that will solely look after their best interests, whether that be against hybe, mhj, or both of them

[upper geyser]

she wanted more

[simple ledge]

me too and if mhj wanted more control over ador she could have negotiated like in XX years give me XX more shares

[hoary frost]

[lethal hound]

yes

[cobalt flicker]

Ok i have my say. I shall move on to reddit 💀

[upper geyser]

she has done shady stuff bts

[hoary frost]

stop bringing up unrelated topics to audit - mods said

[acoustic valve]

you worked at hybe or sm?

[lethal hound]

😦 MHJ is a respectable figure in the kpop industry though

[upper geyser]

Okeee

[lethal hound]

just sad to see hate on her part

[upper geyser]

for sure for what shes done with newjeans

[west osprey]

[cobalt flicker]

I will be back for part 2 after more were revealed. For now, i admit that I just hate MHJ for throwing 2 gg under the bus in the statement

[lethal hound]

and girls generation

[upper geyser]

Using nj to get out of herm mess ehhh

[upper geyser]

Icons

Hybe out here working overtime

[torpid tinsel]

It's still crazy to me that hybe had to make this public by spreading mediaplay just to gain the upper hand against mhj; they never truly cared about their artists man I feel bad for illit and nj

[wet jewel]

[lethal hound]

whatever happens MHJ is on the losing side as she is just a minoriity shareholder

[tawdry vessel]

she's just defending herself and her work

[old cypress]

taking credit for her work = egotistical i see

[upper geyser]

Well she did get caught trying to become an independent label

[tawdry vessel]

not a fact

[lethal hound]

accused not proven

[tawdry vessel]

no evidence of that

[lethal hound]

yet

[torpid tinsel]

was this even confirmed like I ain't believing anything atm

[arctic sky]

did u even read the articles or u just trolling

[upper geyser]

its all accusations for now

Its back and forth allegations 😭😭

[acoustic valve]

or, according to her, this is a smear campaign and set up because mhj brought up internal issues she had with hybe. it's all a he said she said

[cobalt flicker]

Plagiarism claim is not a fact yet as well. Name dropping illit when there are minors in the group

[upper geyser]

until the legal team steps in

[west osprey]

people, audit hasn't even been done, let's not jump to conclusions

[torpid tinsel]

https://twitter.com/cato_o_o/status/1782541584233288191

Cato_o_o (@cato_o_o) on X

Article titled [Exclusive] CEO Min Hee-jin "I've never met any investors.. I was just a whistleblower” (Interview)

Per interview,

1. MHJ - “I have never attempted to seize the management of Ador, as claimed by HYBE. How can I take over management with my 18% stake," she..1/14

Twitter · Apr 22, 2024, 10:46 PM

[upper geyser]

You cant believe neither atm

[torpid tinsel]

ye

[upper geyser]

Interviews are useless

[tawdry vessel]

but you cant deny the similarities

[lethal hound]

my prediction?: MHJ sadly will get fired and Newjeans might lose their work mother

[upper geyser]

Ofc

[cobalt flicker]

Interview are pointless, fight it out on the court for legality

[upper geyser]

but "plagiarism" is a reach ngl

[lethal hound]

this is a non court accusation though

[acoustic valve]

yes, thats why there are legal courts for settling disputes, claiming we know for certain whether the bulk of the blame lay with hybe or mhj right now is pure speculation and bias

[upper geyser]

ik

[west osprey]

that's a little naive, they matter, even for courts

[cobalt flicker]

Quite a number of kpop group have similarities thru the history of kpop. In this case, should i brought up speed and cheetah girl as well?

[lethal hound]

that is true.. i feel its matter of opinon

[old cypress]

speed and cheetah girl are y2k groups...

newjeans is a modern group

[acoustic valve]

One would assume, if hybe felt threatened enough to go nuclear on mhj, there at the very least lay potential for hybe to suffer. There indeed are possibilities where illit "copying" newjeans becomes a legal issue and possibly give ador the legal right to go independent

[cobalt flicker]

This concept isn’t unique in the industry. Not trademarked by MHJ

[upper geyser]

with a y2k concept

[old cypress]

which is not the same thing at all

[upper geyser]

Y2k is y2k

[lethal hound]

i dont think that is something you can go to court for

[west osprey]

the plagiarism claims have no grounds for the topic, it's just to sway public opinion. The only thing here is if she did inside trading. The claims of her gaining independence are also for public opinion. It makes no sense to take over a company with 18% of shares. The only issue here is if there was financial fraud. Anything else, imo, from both HYBE and MHJ, is for the public

[old cypress]

can we just stop pretending and just look at the mvs lol

[upper geyser]

modern or old it fits in the same category

[old cypress]

it's not the same thing at all

[lethal hound]

definitely no way they will give legal right to go independent

[old cypress]

newjeans is a contemporary take on y2k

[lethal hound]

this

[hoary frost]

get up is not y2k

[old cypress]

newjeans dna is basically youth/nostalgia

[acoustic valve]

yes but u can go to court due to antitrust violations, which if ador was able to make a case that hybe's development and favoring of illit over newjeans cause ador competitive handicaps, financial damages, etc.

[old cypress]

in any case when illit debuted most people compared them to newjeans

[hoary frost]

nj is not strictly y2k, they do not have set concept

[old cypress]

and most normies still believe illit is a mhj group

[cobalt flicker]

No. Regardless she shouldn’t be claiming it exclusively. She should have been persistent in seeking a meeting with hybe/belift and not name dropping illit

[lethal hound]

then that means all hybe's label will go independent. not just adore

[hoary frost]

she waited for answer for a month and hybe attacked her via media

[west osprey]

If the audit shows that MHJ is innocent of financial fraud, HYBE will have to apologize, give reparations, and nothing will happen. If the audit shows that MHJ is guilty, she will be fired and fined. Easy as that. Plagiarism, gaining independence, all that is a red haring

[arctic sky]

she did and hybe ignored it before went out on public

[old cypress]

her claim is hybe tried to confuse the public by making illit look like it's a newjeans spinoff

[upper geyser]

Claiming certain concepts and production is kinda weirdchaml

[old cypress]

and it worked, illit hit #1 on melon super fast

[upper geyser]

The music industry isnt owned by anyone

[west osprey]

Art is derivative.

[acoustic valve]

not saying it's not a difficult and risky case to make, but the fact hybe went so aggro hints they at least thought it was a threat, assuming mhj's claims over bringing this up internally are true

[cobalt flicker]

Proving me right that MHJ has work the crowd well.

[waxen musk]

I keep seeing people saying MHJ is using ILLIT plagiarism as an excuse to defend her actions that Hybe is accusing her of.
Am I misunderstand or are people saying this misunderstanding?
My understand was that she went an email about ILLIT plagiarism concerns last week and in response Hybe wants to remove MHJ.
Help me out lol.

[upper geyser]

you cant really claim something just bc you did really well on it

[west osprey]

Both her and HYBE are working the crowd. They're both trying to earn the public

[upper geyser]

She just commented illit copied nj

[acoustic valve]

she seemingly brought it up ever since illits debut until recently, with a direct email right before the audit, at least that's how i read ador's response

[upper geyser]

with stlyist production concept etc..

[hoary frost]

her claim is valid and we all know it. it is just exaggerated but what she means is clear. image overlaps, brand value is diluted. its funny to bring this all the time. i promise u illit will not be affected in any way. no one is coming for them but their executives. no one is even bashing them, illit fans even attacking nj if anything. they have bang pd backing them when nj is on sinking ship. we have other things to worry about than plagiarism

[cobalt flicker]

Still hate hybe for not protecting my lsf girls enough

[old cypress]

she doesn't claim she owns the concept, she claims that hybe used it to fool people into thinking that illit is a mhj group and thus benefited from all the brand building work ador has done

[lethal hound]

yeah i agree with this the most. Both side is trying to win the public over

[west osprey]

It's a misunderstanding. The plagiarism is a distraction. It only serves to gain the court of public opinion

[upper geyser]

Huuh

[slender jungle]

shes playing the media while using newjeans as a shield

[cobalt flicker]

I need to find out knetz reaction though 🤔

[upper geyser]

She's quite literally using newjeans to fix the mess she got into

[old cypress]

all you will get is cherry picked comments

[west osprey]

I do agree with this. The claim is valid insofar as it shows the attitude that HYBE has taken towards her and NJ. That's the validity it has

[cobalt flicker]

I already read cnetz reaction on weibo

[upper geyser]

when they had nothing to do with it

[torpid tinsel]

"braindead ppl's reactions"

[cobalt flicker]

Just interested.

[west osprey]

brainrot seeping in

[lethal hound]

excuse me?

[slender jungle]

both illit and newjeans had nothing to do with it, mhj name dropping both of them is just tbh

[acoustic valve]

she doesn't have to prove plagiarism per se, it's more an issue of antitrust; if she can prove hybe knowingly caused direct harm to NJ's market potential with debuting a group so seemingly similar in concept that they knew would dilute and damage NJ's image

[hoary frost]

its not legal claim, but ethical. labels under same parent company should not be doing this. tired of this topic tbh

[upper geyser]

I see no point lol

[lethal hound]

This is a long shot route though

[west osprey]

Yeah, like I said, it's for the public. The only legal thing is the audit and alleged financial fraud. Anything else is smoke. I'm also tired lmao, but here we are, you and I

[torpid tinsel]

tbh they're both at loss here

[lethal hound]

your basically asking the korean court to rule in favor of antitrust. Samsung was unable to do this

[upper geyser]

they should have never made it public

[arctic sky]

Im so tired of this shit we keep on circlejerk-ing for how many hours lmao

[acoustic valve]

mhj is evidently a hothead that takes long shots, wouldn't be too surprised if hybe took it into consideration and wanted to get rid of her asap and preemptively once they knew she held these sentiments against belift

[wet jewel]

ikr

[slender jungle]

discussions shouldve been behind closed doors 💀

[wet jewel]

the same things are being said

[west osprey]

it's because new people come into the thread and the same debate cycles

[waxen musk]

I just hope that a NewJeans creatively controlled by Hybe is still something the girls want. Obviously they went into the industry with the wish to just be idols and sing and dance. That continues under this outcome.
I literally don't know what else to think right now this thread is impossible to keep up with I spent an hour catching up on the previous 6-8 hours.

[acoustic valve]

still more plausible than any plagiarism accusations directly causing legal issues for hybe, what other legal precendent could ador use that would make hybe so aggro against her?

[old cypress]

mhj raises an internal complaint, hybe goes public and people blame mhj for some reason

[west osprey]

dude why do you torture yourself, I just skip to the end and it's the same debate points

[old cypress]

yeah just skip to the end

[torpid tinsel]

really shows that hybe doesn't care about their artists, they could've solved this problem without involving the public. instead, had to resort to mediaplay just to put mhj under pressure.

[old cypress]

people going around for hours and hours

[waxen shell]

It’s a huge server so I doubt this chat will ever be dead long as this continues

[upper geyser]

Lol the amount of ppl against mhj is insane

[west osprey]

I just know that if SNSD survived the departure/expulsion (gotta please both crowds here) of Jessica, NJ can survive this

[acoustic valve]

tbf, mhj has shown the same disregard for the artists, it is what it is, dont get invested in either one of them

[slender jungle]

i mean thats what happens lol, no new info coming out, new people entering the chat, ofc itll circlejerk

[lethal hound]

true more plausible than that

[waxen shell]

I think we don’t know enough about anything yet to even know what’s up. I feel they woudnt hurt their bottom line for no reason but we’ll see

[upper geyser]

Im just curious what be lift has to say

[hoary frost]

literally. they act like mhj launched media war when hybe immediately published article and announced audit

[slender jungle]

belift dont have to say shit tbh

[hoary frost]

its just funny to take hybe side when they are playing same public opinion game

[primal sage]

u think belift will release a statement? that would be even messier

[upper geyser]

Name dropped their gg

[slender jungle]

belift is effectively hybe anyways

[west osprey]

can't wait for the next news cycle to drop for our next collective session

[primal sage]

just let it be between hybe and ador lol

[upper geyser]

i just want less nj and illit mentions

[west osprey]

if they're smart, nothing, it's a nothing burger. if they answer, it'll blow out of proportions. best answer is to not answer, it'll die out

[slender jungle]

yup

[hoary frost]

mute their names

[upper geyser]

As in media

[lethal hound]

LOL i know mods already said no but thats why i suggested a POLL. thats essentially what the company wants. public opioion on their side

[west osprey]

because good-vs-bad mentality, people don't get complex situations

they can both be bad and play the same game

[slender jungle]

just dont take any side and just watch lol

[primal sage]

did yall wake up to the news abt the whole audit thing

[old cypress]

most kpop fans on the internet are 15

[torpid tinsel]

twt and tiktok already picked hybe's side

[acoustic valve]

public opinion honestly doesn't matter much right now, it matters once the results come in and the narrative is used for damage control

[dry atlas]

pls don't bring it up again

[west osprey]

that's the perfect recipe to ruin this server and have people at each other's throats

[mild stratus]

i mean, we could make one like: who do u think will win? mhj or hybe

[tribal sand]

this chat is crazy and wilding

[tribal sand]

like a fighting ring

[west osprey]

omg here we go again

[hoary frost]

i have more chances than mhj

[slender jungle]

in the end, both entities r in the wrong

[tribal sand]

IN THIS CORNER IS MHJ AND IN THE OTHER CORNER HYBE

[fleet nebula]

who will win or who we want to win could be different choices lol

[old cypress]

the armchair predictors are gonna eat it up

[lethal hound]

YES

[primal sage]

in the end no one wins

[hoary frost]

no we cant jinx it

[torpid tinsel]

just do a boxing match between bang pd + belift ceo vs mhj, case closed

[tribal sand]

We got the or option yall

[lethal hound]

well there is a corporate level civil war why not a friendly debate amongst the fans

[slender jungle]

who u think wins kekw

[primal sage]

ppl are taking this like its silly games, while the girls are gonna go through the most bcuz of this regardless of the outcome

[west osprey]

Sure, here's a friendly debate amongst the fans. ||Do you think Jessica left or was kicked out of SNSD?|| just don't, there were already people tense in this thread

[lethal hound]

😔 okay i get your point

[tribal sand]

I know

I'm trying to make light of it a bit, because everyone is so serious here

[slender jungle]

cause its a serious issue

[mild stratus]

lol

[tribal sand]

Who? Sorry I'm a newer kpop fan

[west osprey]

Because we are all serious individuals

[slender jungle]

snsd

[tribal sand]

I know I know 😭😭

[west osprey]

Ohh boi, now explain that one, internet

[fleet nebula]

Jessica was totally kicked out

[torpid tinsel]

mhj clears easily, we dunno what's inside her cap

[slender jungle]

LMFAO

[west osprey]

[lethal hound]

100% she got kicked out

[west osprey]

careful, you're threading on thin ice

[fleet nebula]

good thing I can swim

[tribal sand]

I can half swim

[tawdry vessel]

all im gonna say is dont believe everything reddit or twitter are saying, they've been praying for mhj and nj's downfall since the beginning

[tribal sand]

I'll drown halfway and them like stay Float