NJZ Updates and Discussion

[hoary frost]

NJ1 in November stay tuned

[fallow canopy]

yeah if i see her on the streets

[hoary frost]

bang pd as bernice debut in 2025

[outer canopy]

I have no idea what to expect. Both sides seem confident despite computers being taken

[zealous light]

Audits could usually take up to 3 to 6 months actually, so we will be waiting for awhile before we get any solid information

[leaden stream]

i hope someone writes a bang pd min heejin slow burn enemies to lovers fanfic soon

[old cypress]

is it hybe auditing or a separate firm ?

[hoary frost]

[valid sierra]

its always the higher ups causing trouble. bang pd wants mhj to step down which would greatly affect NJ music.
mhj firing back also affects illit

[old cypress]

i assume the former

[outer canopy]

so she should be CEO until after the comebacks right?

[leaden stream]

yeah

things will settle down very soon anyway

[fallow canopy]

MHJ is not going to step down. If she is, shes dragging NJ by their hair out of the building.

[zealous light]

Yes, strong possibility tbh

[leaden stream]

it’s very possible this entire thing just gets caught up in red tape and becomes a nothingburger LMAO

[acoustic marsh]

Did 50/50’s fame ever reached the same as nj’s? Im just curious bc idk much abt them but i do know abt their case

[torpid tinsel]

can't wait for the:

summer remix
autumn remix
lolipop remix
ice cream remix
sun remix
moon remix
newjeans ft. one direction

[leaden stream]

nowhere near it

[outer canopy]

Nice. At least the upcoming comebacks will go smoothly.

[outer bone]

With how tense things are I’d assume they’d release confirmed information as the audits goes on

[leaden stream]

i would argue cupid individually is bigger than every newji song but the group absolutely not

[fallow canopy]

nope. it was just all concentrated in their song Cupid. if they released more comebacks maybe but the situation happened.

[zealous light]

The person who said this is just part of lore would be looked at as a Tokki god

[leaden stream]

i wouldn’t even be shocked

[old cypress]

not in korea obviously

or even asia

[acoustic marsh]

Ok tht’s a positive note

[leaden stream]

cupid was huuuuge

[acoustic marsh]

For new jeans

[torpid tinsel]

on tiktok

[storm wind]

its just part of the newjeans documentary that will be release next year

[torpid tinsel]

I hear it everywhere

[leaden stream]

on tiktok yeah but just in the numbers it did

[fallow canopy]

the english version specifically.

[old cypress]

hypeboy is still top 30 on melon right now

[outer bone]

No Newjeans have a strong fan base while for 5050 I hate to say it were “one hit wonders” in the sense that Cupid went viral but not the group itself

[leaden stream]

anyway yeah look at all the beef with SM and lee sooman and how that’s just entirely fizzled out and now SM is doing fine

[old cypress]

after 2 years

[outer canopy]

Cupid was huge in the West and South Asia I believe, also was consistent in terms of longevity

[leaden stream]

it’ll prob be similar here

[upper solstice]

cupid was huge in the west, individually and as a group they were never as popular as nj in asia or the west

[acoustic marsh]

Ok so thts our shining light

[outer bone]

I still see that tinder add with Cupid playing in the bg

[leaden stream]

i do think more people would recognize cupid than most newji songs but newji absolutely clears fifi success wise

[torpid tinsel]

why are we comparing both groups now

[leaden stream]

i have no idea tbh

i don’t even know if i could really recognize most of fifi

[unkempt roost]

for real

[fallow canopy]

so we dont have to face the reality that new jeans will be affected greatly in the future

[acoustic marsh]

HAHA i just asked bc i was curious abt the 50-50 case and i saw some ppl comparing it to what is going on rn

[fallow canopy]

their debut song was amazinggggg i was so sad when the situation happened

[leaden stream]

but yeah i think the thing to pray for here is that this all gets caught up in bureaucracy and red tape and becomes a nothingburger and it just becomes not worth the time for the issue to be explored further

[outer bone]

Hybe or mhj can’t fuck over the girls that easily like attrakt and the givers did with 5050 bc they have to make sure they’re on fans good side

[acoustic marsh]

For sure considering fandom is pretty solid with nj

[leaden stream]

the givers is such a manipulative bastard and even if i don’t like min heejin i doubt she’d stoop that low

[acoustic valve]

there are similarities but entirely different situations

[fallow canopy]

yes pls plsplsplsplsplsplsplsplsslspslslspslsls

[torpid tinsel]

the only way to resolve this is to demote mhj from the ceo pos or step down as a ceo and replace her

[outer bone]

True 5050s was more ab the members while rn it’s more Mhj and Hybe

[leaden stream]

if newjeans ends up suing to leave hybe (they won’t) then the comparison will be valid

[fallow canopy]

i mean... if the rumours of what she did are true... i dont know.

[leaden stream]

which rumors

[outer bone]

But what would they sue?

[simple ledge]

It would only be like 50-50 if the members try to side with one side

[outer bone]

Like what reason would they use to sue

[leaden stream]

exactly LMAO

it’d be mistreatment but there would be 0 proof anyway so. it just wouldnt happen unless mhj manipulated them into doing it

[torpid tinsel]

why would they even sue hybe like I dun see any reason to do that

[leaden stream]

which is horrifically unlikely

[fallow canopy]

her secret operations to create negative opinions about HYBE's artists and persuading NJ parents as a card to pressure HYBE

[humble condor]

Ahn Sung Il is more of a Pathological Liar + Scammer, while MHJ I cannot say for sure but in worse scenario the closest word I can think is Superiority Complex and Narcissism albeit almost at the level of Homelander from "The Boys".

[simple ledge]

the only way to get out of contracts is to sue or have reputation ruined

[leaden stream]

i mean yeah i wouldn’t be shocked if this happens but i don’t think she’ll manipulate the girls into taking an unwinnable lawsuit like the givers did

[outer bone]

rifht they’re safer staying at hybe

[fallow canopy]

i hope so. i really hope so

[outer bone]

Thank god hybe isn’t petty as sm in the sense that they don’t blacklist or maybe they do and are rlly good at it

[leaden stream]

i don’t think she’s anywhere near the level of homelander but yeah i see what you mean and i fully agree with your explanation of the givers

[acoustic valve]

the first thing is speculation and we'll see where that goes; the 2nd is something she should be doing regardless, it's just couched in biased language like "persuading" "manipulating" to make you feel a certain way about it

[torpid tinsel]

they'll lose one of their biggest money makers

[sleek crest]

my brain can't process this much information yet I'm curious to understand more

[leaden stream]

don’t be

[humble condor]

Just stay and stand with the girls, not like anyone here can affect the outcome anyway

[hoary frost]

hybe is idol factory like sm used to be in the past. theyd probably rather debut new group tomorrow than give nj anything

[old cypress]

i think people don't really understand that mhj is being considered as a creative genius by her peers

she did great work ofc she has a bit of a superiority complex

[zealous light]

really just playing the waiting game rn

[humble condor]

Unless you're a Super-Rich Multi-Billionaire with Illuminati Connections from UAE Dubai

[outer bone]

Which is why hybe is gonna fight for them to stay and they’re relying on that audit bc if what they say is true mhj is fuckedddddd and if nj leaves with her they’re also fucked

[old cypress]

gotta take credit for your work

[outer bone]

Take a shot every time I mention the audit

[simple ledge]

Isn’t the next group to debut from ador though

[leaden stream]

idk how many of y’all have experience with audits or the financial sector in general but uh. things don’t get done

[hoary frost]

in 2026. next is pledis gg

sooner than them

[leaden stream]

it will be at least 6 months until the results of the audit are published and by then i would not be shocked if something had been worked out already

[leaden stream]

pledis gg is not real actually lol

[torpid tinsel]

they should focus on fromis

[leaden stream]

or at least there’s no known plans for a pledis ngg

[outer bone]

But with how huge the hybes claims are going through with it till the end seems like a better option than looking like a liar to the public

[sleek crest]

I've been lurking since beginning (?) of this thread

[hoary frost]

they have trainees from what i know

[old cypress]

if it's an internal audit they could be auditing only to get their hands on some info and call it a day

[leaden stream]

they do have some female trainees but nothing concrete planned

i think the next hybe gg will probably be something under koz or hybe japan

[zealous light]

Yeah that’s how I feel exactly, but idk just have to wait and see!

[leaden stream]

yeah but SM had the same thing and that ended up not really affecting much at all

different circumstances i know but it’s the same idea

[outer bone]

Oh fr?

[leaden stream]

bureaucracy, baby

[acoustic valve]

of course mhj spoke to the parents about this, she can't even receive permission in regards to the members without talking to them because 2 are still minors... and of course she would plead her own case. Is she meant to plead Hybe's case instead? But notice how an event that had to happen as a matter of course, was presented as something deceitful; we'll see a lot of this happening over the course of this. I just wish people learnt to spot it better

[zealous light]

Tapping into the Japan market seems the most lucrative for HYPE, especially considering the investment they have there

[leaden stream]

welcome to the world of business: nothing ever actually happens and people make outlandish claims

[outer bone]

Sounds like elementary school

[leaden stream]

idk what your intentions are but this reads like a tweet that min heejin bought to promote herself LMAO

i don’t personally think mhj had any reason to turn the member’s parents against which is what is claimed

[torpid tinsel]

mediaplay

[leaden stream]

it is absolutely a stretch and i can’t imagine she actually did that but. it’s not much more than an exaggeration for the clicks imo

[old cypress]

obviously hybe was gonna claim that

[torpid tinsel]

I ain't believing those mediaplays

[leaden stream]

that’s just how publicists are

IT’S ALL A PSY OP TRUST NO ONE THEYRE TURNING THE FROGS GAY!!!

i do think a lot of this is genuinely just for engagement tho lol

no publicity is bad publicity

[acoustic valve]

just tired of people taking everything at face value and falling for the most blatant manipulation tactics in media reporting

[torpid tinsel]

eta flashbacks

[cobalt flicker]

Am i supposed to feel that NewJeans agree with the plagiarism claim when MHJ said that the statement was issued after discussion with members of NewJeans?

[leaden stream]

oh yeah heavily agreed on that lol

[leaden stream]

no

as ryu said that’s very much just mediaplay

[outer bone]

This is taking me out so badddd😭😭😭

[leaden stream]

the words in the statement were not written by the girls

[simple ledge]

We don’t know what the members think

[outer bone]

I feel bad for Illit fans they’re fighting for their lives rn

[leaden stream]

i cannot imagine they bare any ill will towards illit or the illit members

[leaden stream]

surprisingly we’re kinda fine

[torpid tinsel]

it's the old hags' fault not the girls

[leaden stream]

we get the “newjeans 2.0” thing all the time it’s maybe even calmed down a bit because of this

[solar acorn]

Are there any possibilities that mhj will still stay at ADOR? even she is innocent probably she won't trust Hybe's board anymore and going to start her own company?

[cobalt flicker]

But these words by MHJ is giving the impression and she is working the crowd (or in this case the fandom) to support her

[outer bone]

I hope so im watching my Mutual on twitter spiral on real time😭

[leaden stream]

so many people are siding against min heejin and her claims that i’ve seen people who actually call illit a newji copy defending them

[leaden stream]

there is definitely a possibility yes, depends on how long this drags on

[simple ledge]

Name dropping illit just brought more attention them

[old cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/fighting-dogs-dogs-fence-gif-24901767

hybe and mhj

[simple ledge]

Publicity good or bad is still publicity

[leaden stream]

she’s promoting em better than belift is

[acoustic valve]

depends if mhj or hybe gets their way.... I wouldn't bet on it tho

[upper solstice]

@humble condor thoughts on bang pd?

[hoary frost]

[leaden stream]

this is genuinely a perfect analogy for mhj and hybe LMAOOO

[old cypress]

they're #1 on the charts already anyway

[torpid tinsel]

if she is found guilty we'll definitely receive a jail vlog by mhj notif on phoning

[leaden stream]

to me it seems to be all talk

[drifting scaffold]

Calendar schedule update for when she's released

[leaden stream]

illit and newji are both insanely successful groups neither company is gonna do anything to jeopardize that if they know what’s good for them

hybe’s main concern rn won’t be the audit it’ll be scrambling to raise their stock prices so expect a big announcement or something soon

bts subunit maybe

[simple ledge]

Stocks fluctuate all the time

[acoustic valve]

u know, I've been reading all the most toxic fanfiction about MHJ and BSH fighting and politicking on toxic korean kpop forums for a year now. It's wild to see all their bullshit theories come true

[drifting scaffold]

This could all go away if they make another hybe game caterers

[zealous light]

Only question I have is will it be light jeans or will we have enough content to make it zines?

[leaden stream]

😭 they do say those blessed with the gift of prophecy are also cursed never to be believed

[outer bone]

Jin is coming back maybe he’s doing something

[drifting scaffold]

Mess debate, newjeans will be mhj's lawyers

[outer bone]

Oh wait no

Hybe concert? Svt cb?

[leaden stream]

new group

[drifting scaffold]

Seventeen's already having a comeback

[humble condor]

I maintain my opinion that creativity-wise he's not going to be a good match for the girls any day or year, but he DOES still sort of own HYBE after all and depending on the audit results, HYBE is still lawfully correct for whatever they done. And they're definitely not going to treat the girls as well as MHJ has done so far but They are the only correct answer for the girls if they want to at least be able to continue their career. Of course its based on what we have and see at the current point.

Unless MHJ is able to dish out things more decisive than just calling HYBE out on IL-LIT Plagiarism, something that will actually turn the General Public Opinion to her favor.

[leaden stream]

theyll announce bighit nbg in a week

[outer bone]

They’re getting the red velvet special

[zealous light]

Fiduciary responsibility comes first lol, that’s why I’m pretty confident nothings gonna come out of this. But I could be wrong

[drifting scaffold]

Collab between 2 groups

[leaden stream]

hybe SuperM

HuperYbe

[drifting scaffold]

Imagine that though

[cobalt flicker]

Lmao now army are rebutting MHJ claim of copying against her🤷🏻‍♂️

[leaden stream]

that one doesnt really work

could call em the hybesters

make it a bg call them Hybe Boy

[torpid tinsel]

they're one of the board directors

[outer bone]

I’m kinda confused what theyre mad at I see a lot of them angry which is confusing me cause I thought tokkis and army’s were cool w each other

[hoary frost]

armys are such company stans even tho they always bash hybe

[leaden stream]

but yeah fully agreed on this lol

[upper solstice]

how about appearance wise

[leaden stream]

i think he’s kinda cute

[lofty compass]

Is ador gonna cut connection with hybe I'm curious

[hoary frost]

we dont know

[drifting scaffold]

Doubt it

[humble condor]

Umm no comment, Bang PD's appearance looks... well-nourished???

[lofty compass]

So much happening in hybe

[leaden stream]

he’s got a charm to him, kinda like the marshmallow man from ghostbusters

[outer bone]

Lol how hybe owns 80% of it

[acoustic valve]

that's the thing, I'm not sure if even they thought it was true. I always assumed it was just them being joking and being delulu. But maybe I underestimated just how machiavellian korean corporate culture is....

[lofty compass]

Ya

[hoary frost]

audit

[leaden stream]

not any time soon

[lofty compass]

But still

[outer bone]

WELL NOURISHED?😭

[leaden stream]

wouldnt be surprised if YG started raising a private army soon

[torpid tinsel]

how much for the 50%

[leaden stream]

SM damn near already has one with NCT

[tawdry vessel]

kim jong un long lost brother?

[humble condor]

I meant his BMI looks to be on the higher side? Unless I am mistaken cause I don't follow how he looks like nowadays

[hoary frost]

naur fjdjdjd

[leaden stream]

he is most definitely a bit pudgy

[hoary frost]

taehyun from txt would agree

[cobalt flicker]

Actually they are comparing attention with the japanese group mv as well as the other mv with another mv which are somewhat similar 👀

[leaden stream]

which mvs?

&team?

[hoary frost]

Speed

[outer bone]

he’s gathering inmates as we speak

[leaden stream]

highkey an army of criminals run by YG would be scary as hell

although i suppose that’s kinda just bigbang

[drifting scaffold]

Prison boy group

[acoustic valve]

so..... YG?

[outer bone]

LORDDD😭

[orchid field]

LMFAO

[outer bone]

The yg building would start looking like o block

[leaden stream]

does every yg group except like. blackpink baemon have a criminal in it or formerly in it

[vapid bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/king-von-nba-youngboy-oblock-gif-23646663

[outer bone]

What criminal does 2ne1 have

[outer bone]

King Von Hyung!!

[leaden stream]

bigbang 2ne1 winner ikon all do

[outer bone]

Who in 2ne1 and ikon are the criminals

[leaden stream]

park bom although she wasnt exactly charged

[outer bone]

Oh wait nvm ik ikons

[leaden stream]

hanbin for ikon, drugs

bigbang had seungri top, 2ne1 had bom, winner had taehyun, ikon had hanbin

[acoustic valve]

YG has court records of him literally engaging in acts like using henchmen to physically intimidate and coerce others

[outer bone]

Did bom green out too

[loud estuary]

@humble condor

[leaden stream]

white

[outer bone]

WOAHHH

[leaden stream]

not that kind of white actually

the less bad one

[leaden stream]

yeah i’m genuinely unsure how he’s not in jail

[acoustic valve]

because he's mega-rich, and we live in a capitalist society

[outer bone]

Oh she took addys?

[hoary frost]

nah he lives in society thats made for men

[leaden stream]

yeah

[hoary frost]

and they will always get away esp if they have power

[leaden stream]

so a capitalist society

[hoary frost]

true

[leaden stream]

can you imagine how powerful yg would be if he was white

[hoary frost]

help fjdkdkdk

[valid sierra]

damn twt is at mess. blaming MHJ for illit and lesserafim (garam). did they not read the article? it clearly says ador management rights not hybe

[outer bone]

He’s not???

[leaden stream]

the youngseo thing is crazy to me but at least i can Kinda understand the logic, newji didnt even exist when garam left 😭

[outer bone]

Garam? Nah I think it was that other girl who was in illit and left early

[hoary frost]

moas claiming ador was sabotaging txt, fearnots claiming ador set up encore controversy etc

armys claiming mhj leaked jimin not paying taxes

[acoustic valve]

korea's sexist af, but YG being free us 98% because he's rich and connected and 2% because he's a man

[hoary frost]

and taehyung having stalkers

[torpid tinsel]

[cobalt flicker]

Yup speed plus one similar mv involving some European? Got the images but doubt i can share the comparison here 😅

[leaden stream]

jimin doesn’t pay his taxes??? i might have to stan

[hoary frost]

Cheetah Girls!

[slender jungle]

tax evasion woop woop

[hoary frost]

i think that was the point of Attention

[outer bone]

The point was tax evasion?

[acoustic valve]

chemical hype boy was a dog whistle about bg idols using drugs

[slender spoke]

[valid sierra]

did they not understand that hybe was only talking about ador, not hybe??? so fking dumb

[hoary frost]

there was a case where apparently he didnt not receive emails and was stolen

[slender jungle]

not my boy ilhoon

[hoary frost]

so he didnt pay on time

[leaden stream]

yeah attention was very much meant to pay homage other major gg mvs

[outer bone]

I think mhj rigged the mics and the encores and the qowidialqmdnoa

[leaden stream]

😭

[valid sierra]

i guess mhj fault at their logic

[torpid tinsel]

also the hate train agaisnt lsrf

[fallen parrot]

not o block lklmlqldokdfe

[outer bone]

When did it even start for lsf?

[fallen parrot]

😭

[leaden stream]

i gotta say. this whole controversy has reinvigorated my interest in newji at least

[slender spoke]

how we talking about oblock LMFAO

[hoary frost]

id say with Easy cb due to cultural appropriation, mv church set controversy but it came from ifans not kmedia lol

then starbucks controversy

[torpid tinsel]

it's mhj's fault now

[hoary frost]

and encore controversies happen all the time

[zealous light]

Confirmed feature for the comeback

[cobalt flicker]

I see. Seem similar no wonder people are using this against MHJ after she namedrop illit 🤷🏻‍♂️

[slender spoke]

new jeans gettin armed and dangerous 🗣️ 🔥

[outer bone]

I feel like it might’ve started with that unforgiven encore + eve psyche and the 300 remixes which btw I’m not shitting on cause that one remix Rina Sawayama was good I ate it up

[outer bone]

THE REAL HALLOWEEN :3

[acoustic valve]

ador would only have any sort of legitimate case against hybe if they can somehow prove hybe used their position as ador's parent company to acquire information, resources and assets that solely belong to ador, and use it to develop acts in other labels. And even then, it's not clear-cut and will possibly require a lawsuit to settle. imo

[fallen parrot]

what are we talking about though im so lost

[torpid tinsel]

I want to wake up later knowing everything is just mediaplay and a way to promote nj's comeback

bad publicity is still publicity

[rose turret]

Dawg 😭

[timber shell]

recommend reading pinned messages

[outer bone]

April fools joke 21 days late

[zealous light]

Yeah I think the smart song is what ignited it all, it’s been hell for fearnots ever since (think lesserafim did amazing at Coachella tho)

[outer bone]

easy got shit on a lot too esp the encores

[fallow canopy]

i think they did well but haters like to hate

[hoary frost]

kpop stans are wild. they always do this tbh. nj also had insane hate train since debut. who arranged it? mhj?

;$&:&:&:&:

but its true its bc of mhj

[fallow canopy]

mhj hate train against her own group??? wouldnt it be competitors?

[fallen parrot]

somebody explain the recent drama im always oblivious

[vague scaffold]

Wait I'm confused now

[simple ledge]

hate train sometimes make groups more popular

[fallen parrot]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-umar-gif-833688080316617677

[hoary frost]

check pinned

[fallow canopy]

check pins

[fallen parrot]

[acoustic valve]

u know whats wild? Somehow, the hybe fandoms have actually been more united than the actual labels all this time

[hoary frost]

not sometimes but always. negative marketing is still marketing unless your doing something criminal

[leaden stream]

would agree with this

[ripe mango]

drama

[unkempt roost]

pls link me fearnots that are starting shit over this imma go whack their ass

[zealous light]

Antis just don’t make sense to me, being so devoted to hating group has to be exhausting lolol like I don’t get it

[leaden stream]

i think this is going to amount to not much more than min heejin writing a callout post LMAO

[fallow canopy]

ikr i just block whenever i see their stuff on my feed

[outer bone]

Why’s there always a big scandal before cbs

[leaden stream]

as a professional anti; it is

[slender spoke]

i mean industry is a horrible place (not accusing anything but any exposure is good exposure even if its from a hate train) when you have a hate train you still gain fans and then you gain fans you'll still have haters

[vague scaffold]

How do you see pinned messages on discord phone

[leaden stream]

that’s a lie i only anti one person and that is ksoul

[fallow canopy]

that is true but its just a bit... excessive.

[ruby garden]

why is it always something with everytime near a cb

[normal wind]

click on ador audit and then settings

[hoary frost]

we were asking for promo and thats what we got

next time dont ask

[torpid tinsel]

insane promo

[simple ledge]

From hate train you get devoted fans and more exposure cause fans make content for other people to stan the group

[leaden stream]

in the main chat tap the search button and then pins will show up

[leaden stream]

monkey’s paw

[vague scaffold]

Ty

So it's mhj vs hybe over illit

[drifting scaffold]

The whole idea of mhj being behind members leaving groups to sabotage them is absurd lol

[ripe mango]

the thing is mhj using nj to cover up instead of answering the HYBE is si bad

[vague scaffold]

So it's basically mhj getting greedy???

Can I think it this way

[outer bone]

Maybe Idek anymore

[fallen parrot]

i never liked mhj whatever!

[leaden stream]

to an extent she’s being greedy but i think her calling it out was to just add pressure to hybe lol

[simple ledge]

you can think however you want, just stand by the members

[hoary frost]

tbh i thing all accusations need more profound and detailed statement + given audit will be conducted tomorrow, they probably cant address it in details

we have to wait

[ripe mango]

I guess yes there is similarities between illit and nj but as a ceo u cant use nj to deflect the accusations

[vague scaffold]

I mean to be fair the old sm executives were dirty with money so

[leaden stream]

i very much dislike her but i don’t think she is intentionally trying to execute illit’s careers (character growth from me)

[vague scaffold]

Like because of that that's what makes me think

[ripe mango]

same never liked her

[outer bone]

Feel like it was more to save face than add pressure and it worked

[ripe mango]

since her sm days

[acoustic valve]

still amazed the executives let it get to this stage, this all could have happened behind closed doors, or at least away from the eyes of the media. But now they've blown the doors open and Hybe's stock is in freefall and literal hundreds of millions of dollars have been wiped off their market cap

[outer bone]

not entirely but a lot of ppl aren’t as harsh with her compared to hours ago

[vague scaffold]

I think mhj told news outlets

[leaden stream]

yeah it’s insane that anyone thought this was a good idea

[ripe mango]

hybe and mhj not handling this good ngl

[simple ledge]

yeah feels more like she needs something to divert the attention or blame

[fallen parrot]

wasnt she was behind that red velvet happiness mv

[acoustic valve]

the first leaks were definitely from hybe, the first leaks we saw anyway

[old cypress]

hybe is a public company

[ripe mango]

yes

[ruby garden]

i do agree there's some similarities with illit but i don't think it's enough to say it's plagiarism

[outer bone]

Ya idk if she edited it tho

[vague scaffold]

This

[simple ledge]

ador has a lot of autonomy

[fallen parrot]

oh

[old cypress]

a lot of people think illit is a mhj group

[ruby garden]

a lot of kpop fans don't know enough about music subgenres

[old cypress]

not musically

the overall aspect

[vague scaffold]

I'm just gonna support hybe on this one cause illit and NJ is similar but ykibcant say they copied

And plus old sm executives were rly dirty with money

[ruby garden]

yeah i do see that but they can't take ownership of concepts that are vaguely similar

[old cypress]

runext producer literally said they wanted to make the next newjeans

[drifting scaffold]

Did they not mention lesserafim as well?

[torpid tinsel]

let's just wait for the audit result lol

[ruby garden]

very odd situation but i'm always on newjeans side

[vague scaffold]

I don't think their even relevant

[ripe mango]

same im on nj side

[drifting scaffold]

Like wasn't it phrased as the next big girl group after le sserafim and newjeans on the show

[ripe mango]

whichever is good for the girls

[old cypress]

i meant the dude himself, not the show

[torpid tinsel]

everything is just mediaply but yeah mhj is always sus no one is denying that fact

[drifting scaffold]

The dude?

[zealous light]

yeahh feels like we’re kinda looping atp lol, but that’s to be expected ig

[old cypress]

midnatt the producer

[frigid mason]

From my point of view, On Magnetic's release. A lot of people on socials compared Il-lit to NewJeans, to the point where it created a lot of heated arguments. The similarities are enough to damage the perception of NewJeans and Ador, which also hurts Illit as well, rather than the actual concept itself.

[buoyant hamlet]

this thread moves fast

[ripe mango]

its funny how a corporate discourse is being handled like a twitter fan war xD

[frigid mason]

Honestly this should've been something that would've benefitted greatly, being handled in-house. Outside the public view.

[ruby garden]

i do think mhj is stubborn and I think the best solution would be for HYBE to install their own executive director to oversee her decisions

i want what's best for the girls

their careers have just begun

[torpid tinsel]

but hybe loves mediaplay and the damage has been done

[white arch]

So what happend

I went to sleep like 9 hours ago

[frigid mason]

Only time will tell what will happen, with the members having close personal relationship with MHJ. It's anyones guess what will actually happen.

[vague scaffold]

At end of the day the biggest victims are the girls

[ruby garden]

i think hybe is doing all this mediaplay to force mhj to sell her shares back

[simple ledge]

check the pins

[tawdry vessel]

hybe wants full control and money basically

[thin solar]

mhj is treating the gurls well and brought them good concepts

if mhj steps down, then nwjns would have stale concepts from a greedy company that seeks a monopoly

[tawdry vessel]

100% agree

[old cypress]

SM has been spending $$$ to replicate newjeans and ppl think mhj can be replaced

[tawdry vessel]

hybe was the one who made this shit public

[hoary frost]

a lot of creative side will be sacrificed

concept and music equally

[west osprey]

Hi I'm awake! Did the world end?

[hoary frost]

i dont think mhj will be the only one replaced. creative director and designers who came w her from sm

also will leave or kicked

hybe will fill positions by employing their existing staff from other labels

[thin solar]

for example, le sserafim
kim garam got kicked out of the group not because of her accusations being false, but because the scandal was making hybe's shares tank and hybe wanted her out
they don't care about their group's integrity and company anymore, all they care about is the luscious green colored paper

so by kicking mhj out they're essentially turning nwjns into a group with stale concepts

[hoary frost]

both bang pd and mhj are full of egos

thats why this is happening

[errant osprey]

Guys what’s exactly happening

[hoary frost]

check pins

[old cypress]

this implies that the audit is already over

[white arch]

poor girls

[unkempt roost]

yea that is not a good summary

[vague scaffold]

Cause they suspect insider trading which is illegal and they can't just let it happen

[sudden frigate]

Members of NewJeans agree with which side?

[ripe mango]

wait

[ruby garden]

i haven't felt right about band pd ever since he started giving interviews about how kpop needs to get rid of the k to be more global

[ripe mango]

i didnt know 4-1

thats fked if thats real

[west osprey]

Read the articles and pinned messages. MHJ shifting the narrative, whether it's true or not, to sway public perception. Good statement, tbh. And regarding the reason for the audit, she straight up denied it. Mkay I'm caught up

[hoary frost]

will delete

check pins yall. it has articles and all

[unkempt roost]

4-1 was about other artists not new jeans themselves

[vague scaffold]

Well we need time to see what really happened

[mild mist]

remember that Kakao distributed malicious comments about ive and they have a stake in Starship
(was it kakao? It was a big firm)

[vague scaffold]

I'm on hybes side because of how dirty the sm executive was with money until the former ceo got caught and fired. So ik thinking this is just mhj getting greedy cause you can't say they plagiarized a concept cause if that's the case yg would have been suing every gg debuted between the 2016-2023 era

[unkempt roost]

i hope you have a source to back up that claim

[hoary frost]

Source: trust me bro

[west osprey]

What other source do you need?

[vague scaffold]

Probably a metaphor

Like that statement would not mean they copied new jeans bruh

[ruby garden]

they always say the next bts or the next blackpink

means nothing

[vague scaffold]

You can probably use it in court but it's irrelevant af

[slender spoke]

i have a confession... im the new ador ceo

[rose turret]

Dont stop dreaming

[slender spoke]

D:

[unkempt roost]

"they" as in the producer/company vs "they" as in the media/reporters are very different things

[west osprey]

it is. Like, art is derivative, please. 9MUSES was accused of copying Girls' Generation for Genie back in the day. This happens all the time, it doesn't matter

Only in the court of public opinion

[vague scaffold]

Ye

[vague scaffold]

I also think copying concepts is fine cause if ador some how wins this case yg is gonna sue like half the kpop groups out their for copying their girl crush concepts

[acoustic valve]

that's going to be part of the argument; the companies that copied YG don't have any responsibility to not damage YG's image. Hybe on the other hand has a level of responsibility towards Ador as its parent company, if ador can prove this connection is being abused and hybe is not performing their duty of protecting Ador and actively hindering their potential and growth, there is potential for a case against hybe.
This is how ador will try to spin it anyway.

[vague scaffold]

Well in my eyes illit is 90s cute girl concept and NJ is more of like teenage girls life and cuteness overload

[vague scaffold]

Idk how to describe NJ concpet but their is a difference

[vague scaffold]

But hybe accuses mhj for insiders to take over ador which is highly illegal

[hoary frost]

this is crazyyyyyyyyy

[acoustic valve]

fwiw, at face value I wouldn't call it plagiarism either. But the devil is in the details, and whether ador is successful in their claims against hybe will depend on what happened in the background and we just have no way of knowing right now

[hoary frost]

cord overlords, ping me if there is new info

ive to study accounting so i can audit ador next!

[vague scaffold]

I mean we need to see how much new info comes up

[unkempt roost]

be honest you're gonna check here regularly for updates anyways

[west osprey]

I mean, but the lawsuit is not to prove that HYBE committed plagiarism. The lawsuit (with the details we have, maybe something else happened while I was asleeping that wasn't pinned) is to prove that MHJ committed inside trading in order to garner enough shares and take over ADOR completely. If I understand this correctly, that's the issue. If that's the case, a case for plagiarism is not being pursued here. Plagiarism only comes into play as the defense argues that the audit and allegations of fraud were brought up after HYBE was accussed of plagiarism. It really doesn't make sense, which is why I think MHJ only brought plagiarism up to sway the court of public opinion to her side

[hoary frost]

I hope MHJ wins

[hoary frost]

dont expose me like that

I don't care about the info or who is right and wrong but I hope MHJ wins

its night in kr so there wont be news

[unkempt roost]

the best thing to hope for is a peaceful resolution

[vague scaffold]

From japanese kpop news accounts they said mhj is also accusing hybe of plagiarism of NJ concept

[unkempt roost]

either side "winning" outright is not good for anyone

[white arch]

1v1 between CEOS

[west osprey]

Yeah, but "accusing" in what sense? Because we know HYBE wants a lawsuit for financial fraud. Is MHJ pursuing a lawsuit or is it a public denouncing? I don't know that

[vague scaffold]

I hope this ends well so we don't need to see fucking hate being send to illit and NJ Fandom. I don't want to see the army vs blinks vs once again

[acoustic valve]

there's no lawsuit (yet), the internal audit isn't even over. So far all that's happened is ador's office got raided by hybe staff and PR from both sides is shitslinging through the media. Both with a mixture of truth and lies, intended to manipulate the public into supporting their respective positions

[vague scaffold]

Kpop community already toxic

[hoary frost]

can they decide this on arena?

like UFC fight

[vague scaffold]

They can't different weight class

[hoary frost]

right well nourished vs less nourished

[white arch]

LOL

[vague scaffold]

It's literally 100kg vs like 40

[west osprey]

There are the initial (alleged) declarations in which HYBE (allegedly) stated that if MHJ would not step down as a CEO, they would start a lawsuit. And yeah, the audit will not be over in a long time. If they rush it, a week

[vague scaffold]

Which is a bit too much

[hoary frost]

mhj ego is 50kg

she can do it!

[vague scaffold]

I thought bang pd and mhj were in good terms but I gues. Bang pd is not the cep of hybe????

[humble condor]

I can imagine the Commentaries be like "Yes dodge that left hook, Min Hee Jin, kite him around the ring and wear him down with your featherweight and speed, you can do this!"

[west osprey]

Livestream it! I'd buy tickets for that UFC fight

[unkempt roost]

ooooh Min Hee Jin with the upper cut

[vague scaffold]

Lmao

[acoustic valve]

if and when a lawsuit does happen, we'll know about it. Otherwise, every piece of information we get is a strategic leak intended to benefit one of the competing narratives ador and hybe are presenting

[ruby garden]

he rarely mentions nj since he's not invovled with them like he is with lsf and illit

[hoary frost]

He is Chairman, CEO is Park Jiwon

[vague scaffold]

Who is that

[hoary frost]

a man

[white arch]

https://tenor.com/view/karate-chop-martial-arts-fall-gif-16185472

[west osprey]

Yeeee which is why I dismiss the plagiarism, innovation of NJ claims to ever get to court. It's the attempt to get the public on MHJ's side

[ruby garden]

bang pd has a picture with every group on his ig but nj

[hoary frost]

the one beside mhj is park jiwon

[vague scaffold]

Oh

So if bang pd just say this is bs your fired it will be solved

[acoustic valve]

no

[vague scaffold]

Since he's the chairman

Huh

[ruby garden]

he seems to respect corporate governance so he might let adore bod decide what to do

[west osprey]

well, 'nough speculation for one morning, imma got get my coffee

[ruby garden]

but then again they did say the board was all mhj loyalists so who knows

[vague scaffold]

But either way hope this ends well and not om bad terms cause illit fan base vs NJ fan base is something I don't want to see

[vague scaffold]

She technically made like the gg of bts

[acoustic valve]

ador and hybe will either negotiate and come to a compromise, or they will have to legally force the other into capitulating; possibly through lawsuits. that's how this will end

[vague scaffold]

Which is the worst way to end

[hoary frost]

they should have done that before airing it in public

adults love drama

[acoustic valve]

exactly, I still can't believe these buffoons let it get to this stage

[mild mist]

airing it in public makes sense as this seems to be a battle of egos somewhere

[vague scaffold]

It was probably something going on since after r u next ended

But the timing they aired it is the worst time possible it's during illits lucky girl syndrome promotion and NJs comeback

[acoustic valve]

Egoes have no place in publicly traded corporations like hybe, which is why their close to wiping a trillion won from their market cap. Also why tesla's stock freefalls everytime Elon opens his mouth and says some stupid and controversial on twitter

the shareholders not gonna be happy, why they selling

[hoary frost]

offtopic we cheered

imagine the amount of posts theyd make about this lol

[white arch]

[acoustic valve]

they could have made a year's rent from this drama, one of the biggest days in kpop gossip history.

[hoary frost]

right lol

[vague scaffold]

Well I gues time to go hybe stocks

Cause prob going to go up

[ruby garden]

nah ent stocks too volatile

[hoary frost]

don't lol

hybe has horrible financials

[vague scaffold]

Ik I'm juts joking

[hoary frost]

also if you buy hybe stock you gotta pay korean tax and also tax of whatever country you live in

[vague scaffold]

Last tike ppl bought bighits stock it definitely ended well

[upper solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/sihyuk-bang-pd-bang-pd-omg-bang-sihyuk-omg-gif-24289138

[vague scaffold]

At this point to bring back hybe we just do cage fight between mhj and ceo of hybe

Then all solved

Just like how elon tried to settle beef with Zuckerberg for making threads

[acoustic valve]

i admire loops just posting the pain away and pretending nothing is happening

[vague scaffold]

And never happened and now they got no beeg

[west osprey]

HYBE's stock is still down, we should buy, you could earn 30k WON on each if it goes back up

[vague scaffold]

Dont

[hoary frost]

market is closed so it wont change until morning

[vague scaffold]

We dont know how far this will get

[hoary frost]

when market opens

[vague scaffold]

It might go down even more

[west osprey]

it curiously ended with a small upwards incline, must be all the believers

[hoary frost]

yeah

[simple ledge]

30k won can barely buy an album

[ruby garden]

I think there will be some update around 8 AM KST which is an hour before their stock market opens

[tawdry vessel]

hope it goes down even more

[vague scaffold]

Cause rightnow the biggest group in hybe is in this much trouble

[ruby garden]

they gotta put something out to stop the bleeding even temporarily

[west osprey]

listen, when you a broke student....

[vague scaffold]

The only time I buy is before bts comeback after army and sell it as soon as it goes up

[silent spade]

Time to short sell, I see /jk

[tawdry vessel]

reconciliation is the answer

[hoary frost]

pls don't buy stocks

buying stocks like this is dumb

[white arch]

[hoary frost]

korean stocks are also just bad stocks to buy

[west osprey]

but it's a funny meme

[mild mist]

you be buying some expensive albums

[sudden frigate]

#SaveNewJeans

[west osprey]

in all seriousness, buying stocks is gambling with extra steps. I don't do it, I just meme

[ruby garden]

the only stocks i buy is VOO

[vague scaffold]

99% quit before hitting big

[hoary frost]

nah stocks is legit

stocks are the way most people retire

[hoary frost]

it goes up on average

[mild mist]

I solve the stonks problem by simply being too poor to buy things

[west osprey]

oh shoot, you're right! I gotta go back

[hoary frost]

but korean stocks are very bad for taxation, south korea taxes you too much

[mild mist]

https://applemusic.co.kr/shop/shopdetail.html?branduid=3386621&search=&xcode=009&mcode=001&scode=001&special=5&GfDT=amx3UA%3D%3D

[simple ledge]

30k won is about $22

Why would I buy ive

[mild mist]

because it was on the front page

[simple ledge]

Shipping from Korea is like $25

[west osprey]

That OMG album is cheap. I got it for 14 USD, but pricing list is at 46 USD

For me, because where I live shipping is expensive

[old cypress]

they really have been sued?

[waxen shell]

I just hope girls aren’t …going to be the one to get hurt.

[waxen shell]

Wrong chat 😭

[west osprey]

yeah, I realize we weren't talking much audit

and more

[waxen shell]

I’m late I should be quiet sorry LOL

hello

this is just the worst timing for all this to happen

[west osprey]

hi! you're not late, a wizard is never late

[waxen shell]

why couldn’t something happen after like bunnies camp idk

Let us have our perfect promo period PLEASE 😢

[nimble stream]

If you know what you are doing its not... but stuff like futures and options and leverages are gambling

[brazen ice]

nah, its gambling fr

just becuase you can be more strategic with it doesnt mean it isnt

[nimble stream]

Wow if thats the case it will be hard to break the news to all those portfolio managers

[acoustic valve]

the only solution is for illit and newjeans to form a megagroup called ILLJEANS and the fandom will become BILLIES 🐐

[nimble stream]

Newit

[white arch]

newhit

[nimble stream]

Bighit

[west osprey]

Billie Jeans

[white arch]

LMAO 😭

[brazen ice]

thats the name if they collab with billie lmao

[nimble stream]

billit

[clear sentinel]

amen

[tribal sand]

Hahaha

[fallen parrot]

ill jeans😭 why r the jeans sick

[nimble stream]

sdşjflksdfjşaksdf

[tribal sand]

Combine fr

has something like this ever happened and they cobmined?

[blissful mango]

i dont think so

[brazen ice]

collab stages ig. But an actual song, i dont think so

and from diff companies, cuz like we had girls on top from SM

[acoustic valve]

hmm had another interesting thought: The fact that Hybe were the ones that chose the nuclear option of going public to try and force the other side to capitulate isn't a good sign for what they think the results of a long-winded legal process for all this will be.
I still think MHJ is at a significant disadvantage in regards to the prospects, but not as bad as I initially thought

[unkempt roost]

yea idk why cant they just launch the audit quietly

[acoustic valve]

that would definitely be the most rational solution

[humble condor]

Yeah it's unnecessarily drawn out and they only had themselves to blame for that plummet of their Stock Value.

[unkempt roost]

MHJ really doesnt need to prove anything if she has done nothing wrong, the burden of proof is with HYBE

[acoustic valve]

the fact hybe decided to ignite this bomb, knowing the their stocks will freefall... hmmm

[humble condor]

Then I would shudder if there is actually no beef between MHJ and HYBE. Bang PD and MHJ had an unknown mutual reason for needing HYBE Value to quickly drop as fast as it could for various reason and they staged this drama, such as creating opportunity to buy in and acquire the more share portions at lower cost because many investors would ditch their share portion given the sudden development of this case. If that is the case then this is going go down in history, mindblown

[unkempt roost]

what if this is a ploy to lower their stock value so that they can buyback their stocks /conspiracy

[acoustic valve]

my immediate assumption is that ador's case against Hybe is more credible than it seems and they needed to come out strong to force her to give up

[acoustic valve]

now THAT would truly be insider trading and legit jailtime

[somber pumice]

hello debators any updates

[unkempt roost]

[west osprey]

HYBE probably launched the public statements first because doing the audit quietly wasn't an option. MHJ would have gone ballistic, they wanted the upperhand

[unkempt roost]

^ not a bad take

[humble condor]

This would be a classic Korean Drama, scene cut to Min Hee Jin and Bang Si Hyuk chilling relaxedly at a private room in a Michelin 3 Star Restaurant, raising glass of toast to each other.

[nimble stream]

insider shorting?

[humble condor]

Or in layman terms - Illegal and Deliberate Manipulation of Stock Value via various means in order to gain profit

[acoustic valve]

also a possibility, but for a corporation to willingly ignite almost a trillion won in value in a single day without first exhausting every possible solution? Still weirdly irrational to me, even if there was a 90% chance mhj would have gone public herself, it was probably still worth the gamble to hybe to keep this under wraps. Considering public opinion wouldn't directly affect the audit's results, or any lawsuits that come after it as a matter of fact

[unkempt roost]

tbh stock value is only temporary, it'll probably go back up sooner or later, they probably weighed the risk of stock value decrease vs the risk of actually losing ador (assuming that the coup is real)

[west osprey]

This makes me think, did HYBE even want this leaked? It was all insider info, this leaked, it wasn't a statement. Not at first

[acoustic valve]

oh, hybe 100% decided to leak it at an executive level

[white arch]

https://tenor.com/view/l-lawliet-death-note-gif-21936347

i imagine yall like this rn

[west osprey]

Stop, I'm actually having breakfast rn in front of my pc

[white arch]

😭

[west osprey]

[torpid tinsel]

aren't they both single

bang pd and mhj

[white arch]

what if this is just a "april fools day"

[nimble stream]

lol

[west osprey]

what if it's a collective dream?

[acoustic valve]

I think the "coup" is definitely real, it's just an executive+shareholder exploring options to gain more control. This is mundane business politics, whether it goes into the area of being a breach of responsibilities and contracts is another matter though, and will possibly require a long-time to decide if both sides continue to dispute it.
Similarly with Belift and Hybe's plagiarism accusations. Did they take ideas from NJ and use them for Illit? Of course! But whether it's actually plagiarism and if Hybe did indeed abuse their authority and neglect their responsibilities to Ador is another matter entirely, also requiring extensive disputes, possibly under a legal court.

[white arch]

yay they release online dreams

[nimble stream]

a kdrama romantic comedy where newjeans is trying to bring bangpd and mhj together sounds like a great idea

[acoustic valve]

I'll say this; SM certainly had a penchant for nurturing a dramatic C-suite

could make a corporate espionage cinematic universe just out of SM's employees

[hoary frost]

https://x.com/cuntmin_/status/1782440952432365671?s=46&t=lncf7vo09FEx5ZDvXg81LA

🎀 (@cuntmin_) on X

lights are on. the hybe meeting going crazy😭

Twitter · Apr 22, 2024, 4:06 PM

[unkempt roost]

lmao for real

[west osprey]

[white arch]

LMAOOOOOOOOO

[west osprey]

paparazzi getting that bag

[acoustic valve]

imagine being that one intern that took the offer just because they're a massive kpop otaku, must be living the life with all the juicy gossip they catching rn

[nimble stream]

Im a kpop otaku and succession is my favorite show...

[acoustic valve]

but ur not an intern at hybe

[nimble stream]

I wish

[orchid field]

What do people mean when they say mhj still has some “SM in her”

[simple ledge]

SM founder drama with ownership of SM and successors

[wet jewel]

for ppl who dont know whats going on

https://www.reddit.com/r/kpop/comments/1ca2gc4/hybe_launched_audit_into_ceo_of_newjeans_agency/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

[unkempt roost]

the pinned messages are a better source for this issue

[wet jewel]

yea

the comments might provide some additional info

[true glacier]

i just wonder what happens to mhj only bc the creative direction of newjeans is directly tied to her; if hybe force her out in some way what happens to the group

[wet jewel]

they just find a new one

[acoustic valve]

[wet jewel]

what else can they do

[acoustic valve]

my best answer, going to have to wait and see

[true glacier]

i mean yeah 4head lol but im just curious to see how it all plays out

[acoustic valve]

there might be a clause where mhj even takes NJ with her, we don't know what any of their contracts look like and what happens is dependent on that almost entirely

[upper geyser]

not possible

[true glacier]

that would be something else but i guess no one knows

[wet jewel]

i dont know any legal stuff but since she only owns like less than 20% of ador she cant possibly take nj away

i think

[upper geyser]

from the begging mhj was obsessed with power and used njs success and numbers to get her to that position of power up until hybe caught her lacking

[true glacier]

it just sorta reads like mhj is trying to weaponize the gp vs hybe (dunno if thats already been said) in response to hybe dropping the bombshell

[acoustic valve]

like I said, we are not privvy to their private contracts unless this case goes to court or they leak it (they won't). so impossible to say anything definitive

[upper geyser]

Shes been signing illegal agreements to become an independent label

[wet jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/mark-wahlberg-smh-shake-head-no-nope-gif-17582268

[unkempt roost]

i doubt there is a contract that ties an artist to a particular person in the company lol

but anything can happen who knows

[humble condor]

That would be an epic Korean Drama move if Bang PD actually had already found a young and uprising secret newcomer who he thoroughly verified to not only be able to emulate MHJ but also outdone her creative style and direction thanks to the advantage as a creative young gen talent, then before presenting to MHJ this is the Replacement Creative Director and show her the newcomer's proposal for future NewJeans Projects that makes MHJ speechless before realizing that so THIS is why HYBE was suddenly so confident and adamantly initiative in trying to weed her out.

[acoustic valve]

According to Hybe, the audits not even over, nothing is known for sure other than they disagree with each other

[true glacier]

this seems only possible if the person is the company lol

[upper geyser]

they are better off with hybe

[wet jewel]

lmao

[wet jewel]

most definetely

[upper geyser]

Did she really think she can stand a chance against band pd

[wet jewel]

ikr

[upper geyser]

😭😭😭

[acoustic valve]

not necessarily, but NJ also have a level of autonomy in regards to their contract. Who knows just how loyal they are to mhj , we'll find out

[wet jewel]

like cmon

[upper geyser]

What is she doing

[wet jewel]

its the hitman bang

[true glacier]

personally, im curious to know why mhj wanted more control in the first place it felt like hybe was giving her a pretty loose leash to go and do whatever she felt like doing. and assuming she leaves and takes newjeans with her, without hybe i doubt they will ever be able to do the same stuff they get to do now

[upper geyser]

thats what she gets for being selfish and obsessive over power

[upper geyser]

She cant bc she will end up in jail after this if hybe wins the fued

They will end up with hybe

Its either they stay with hybe or they disband

worse case scenario is disbandment

[dire bison]

Why would someone want more when you have already enough smh

[unkempt roost]

well according to her it's the whole issue with belift

[wet jewel]

greed

you always want more

theres never enough

[upper geyser]

Nj has only choice is to solely be under hybe now

[upper solstice]

re read her statement

[dire bison]

ye if u are stupid and seems like she was

[unkempt roost]

and probably a bunch of other disagreements that slowly accumulated

[upper geyser]

What makes me even more mad is bringing illit into this

[unkempt roost]

like every divorce out there

[upper geyser]

😭

[wet jewel]

ikr

[unkempt roost]

belift was just the trigger

[wet jewel]

like they are not the same

[upper geyser]

tbh mhj would prob self sabotage and disband nj

[mild stratus]

dont forget they have their parents. they probably message a lot and will tell them whats best for them
doesnt matter how much they love mhj, she's just their boss

[upper geyser]

bc her ego is that high

[upper solstice]

according to ador/mhj concerns about illit + other actions from hybe is what initiated the whole thing

[wet jewel]

omg if nwjns disbands my lifes over

[upper geyser]

i read this

[hoary frost]

omg don't say disband come awn

[true glacier]

i mean that could probably just be smoothed out with a very long and in depth conversation but surely there were several other better ways to resolve that than attempting a coup lol

[upper geyser]

She stated something about plagiarizing choreo, concepts, makeup, etcc to an extent

[wet jewel]

yea i read that somewhere

[upper geyser]

illits has some similarities

but its not entirely copied

[vague scaffold]

Guys I just asked my korean friend to read the article apparently min hee Jim was trying to do insider trading to buy hybe slowly and when she got caught she blamed she did it because hybe let belift copy NJ concept for illit

[acoustic valve]

You assume she doesn't have a relationship with their family the same way she does with the girls, and Hybe is already pre-empting that she indeed does have a close relationship with their families by leaking to the media that she's "manipulating" them

[hoary frost]

actually they do...

[upper geyser]

"Plagiarism" is pushing it

[upper geyser]

thats why i said they have similarities

im illit biased yo

[hoary frost]

yeah i agree with u

[unkempt roost]

No matter what I hope that the girls and their parents:

1. Do not pick a side until all the facts are out
2. When they have to pick a side, stick together with one uniform decision

[vague scaffold]

Mhj is the wrong here

Read articles

[upper geyser]

there only choice is hybe if not its bound towards disbandments

or

[acoustic valve]

I'd prefer 1, but 2 is still preferable to other outcomes

[upper geyser]

They find a new ceo

or bang bd just takes over them

[upper solstice]

this is only if mhj is actually convicted of insider trading, this a hybe claim not a fact yet

[upper geyser]

ngl shes stupid

her position was already good enough

Wanting more is kinda dumb

[upper solstice]

that's a hybe claim

[strange dove]

There's no conclusion to this story that ends with anything other than mhj being separated from Hybe

[vague scaffold]

min hee Jim was trying to do insider trading to buy hybe slowly and when she got caught she blamed she did it because hybe let belift copy NJ concept for illit. So illit and NJ are victims and mhj sort of used them as scape goats so

[upper geyser]

Yh

[hoary frost]

exactly

[vague scaffold]

But mhj claim is that she did it because hybe let belift to copy NJ concept for illit

When she got caught

[wet jewel]

stupid claim

[acoustic valve]

all unproven allegations, even hybe isn't saying they know this as a fact yet

[upper geyser]

Huh

illits concept is entirely different tho

[vague scaffold]

Go to koream articles translate them and read stop going to reddit

[vague scaffold]

That what mhj said

[nimble stream]

thats what I said

[upper geyser]

LOL

shes coping now

[true glacier]

i wonder to what degree tho bc theres no way she stays as a ceo i think but i can see a world where she gets demoted to like creative director with heavy oversight

[brazen ice]

she got caught red handed💀

[hoary frost]

never saw that but that's why they're investigating so...

[nimble stream]

its like saying fornite is same as pubg

[vague scaffold]

So this whole thing basically is mhj fault and she was also some part I'm this dirty sm scandal where sm made the idols who debut under them basically slaves

[upper geyser]

Lmaoo

[vague scaffold]

Search this up too

Mhj has some dirty history

[nimble stream]

its not like people who listen to illit cannot listen to newjeans too anyway

[mild stratus]

irrelevant, please stick to the thread

[vague scaffold]

I'm juts giving you guys her past so youn cam understand what type of history she has

[simple ledge]

Yeah and their promotion periods don’t even clash

[acoustic valve]

and try not to spout rumors and unproven allegations as fact please

[vague scaffold]

It is something that is true

She was literally part of sm executives when this happened

[true glacier]

i think the issue of whether or not illit is plagiarizing newjeans goes beyond promotional periods lol

but i dont think they are anyway

[strange dove]

Her troubles at SM working with other employees are pretty well known

[acoustic valve]

barely anything you've said is proven fact, it's all biased allegations based on rumors and speculation, please

[true glacier]

i mean, magnetic does sound like something newjeans would make, but like latte larry said earlier its not like you have to exclusively listen to one group

[vague scaffold]

This shit is mhj fault like idk why your defending her insider trading is highly illegal and idk why you defend her

[quick wadi]

strawberryjam is still cooking 😭💗

please get rest

[cyan delta]

👍

[acoustic valve]

example 1. Not even Hybe is claiming that insider trading happened as a fact, but somehow here you are saying it did happen

[quick wadi]

this is a thread for discussion not debate, stop trying to argue / turn heads

[unkempt roost]

imo it really doesnt matter too much what WE think about the plagarism, the point is that MHJ thinks it's not cool and raised complaints and HYBE disagreed, which leads to this whole debacle

[vague scaffold]

It's a question

[quick wadi]

im just letting you all know before it turns into one

[upper solstice]

flam3s is a hybe employee i wont explain how or why just trust me

[wet jewel]

dont get too heated over this

[quick wadi]

^

[vague scaffold]

Dude read articles that came out and don't search on twitter

[true glacier]

which is fair, but i think her whole point is that at the end of the day the clarity (or lack there of) is more or less in regards to the gp and how they perceive either group which is why she even made a whole public statement yapping about whatever

not sure if i agree with her take or anything as someone who is supposed to be affected by the similarities of both groups as she claims but like oh well

[vague scaffold]

Cause yall are not understanding the fact that mhj tried to take over a company by doing illegal shit and blamed it on other groups which can cause serious dmg to them. Like if your watching queen of tears you think how whoever it was took over the queens group did justified?

[cyan delta]

i love queen of tears

[unkempt roost]

this point is that it's not verified that "mhj tried to take over a company by doing illegal shit"

[acoustic valve]

articles are just reporting on either what hybe is claiming, or what mhj is claiming, or both. There's literally nothing that proves any of the claims you keep making definitively

[unkempt roost]

it's HYBE's one-sided claim that is not verified

[wet jewel]

take everything with a grain of salt

[unkempt roost]

which is why they launched an audit

[wet jewel]

everyone would want to say what benefits them

[cyan delta]

whats an audit

[wet jewel]

inspection

[cyan delta]

ahh

[acoustic valve]

literally nothing is verified other than they have disagreements, hybe's internal audit is going on right now

[unkempt roost]

a german car company

[cyan delta]

😭 😭

[brazen ice]

IF it is true that she did, wtf does it have to do with the whole copying thing?

[nimble stream]

illit fandom name

[unkempt roost]

LMAO imagine if this is their new fandom name

[vague scaffold]

She used it as an excuse on why she did it

[brazen ice]

no idea how going independent is a reason. Like how would it help

[upper solstice]

ador's claim is hybe is trying to oust mhj by accusing her of trying to take ownership of ador because she brought up illit copying concerns + other hybe matters against nj (that weren't listed)

[vague scaffold]

Ok search if insider trading is legal

[wet jewel]

megathread of articles talking about this
https://www.reddit.com/r/kpop/comments/1ca81me/megathread_hybe_co_audits_sublabel_adors/
believe what you want to believe

[unkempt roost]

I guess she's trying to persuade the public / the girls that even if the coup is real (which they are denying), that their coup is justified because hybe is the one that wronged MHJ/ador first

[vague scaffold]

This

[cyan delta]

whichever side is right (i dont think either is) the girls are innocent victims to all this i feel so bad for them

[vague scaffold]

Like reddit is not a good source

[wet jewel]

its articles

they linked articles

[dapper root]

even the articles

you read them and form your own opinion

[wet jewel]

exactly

[dapper root]

and then you spread such opinion as fact

in a thread like this

[unkempt roost]

i dont agree with the articles that the megathread posts tbh but i might be nitpicky

[vague scaffold]

True

Read korean articles and not fucking reddit comments

[wet jewel]

yea just use your intuition and form your hypothesis

even tho they prob wont matter

[unkempt roost]

the pinned messages here are still the best source

[wet jewel]

we're all bystanders

[dapper root]

literally im just waiting till whatever happens happens

[placid rose]

TikTok ppl should be barred from knowing this news

[vague scaffold]

But if you search enough you will understand that what mhj did is not ok and is illegal and she blaming it on illit for copying concepts and hybe allowing it

[acoustic valve]

why are you pushing a one-sided narrative as fact so hard, please give it a rest and just let more information come out, which it inevitably will, before making statements like this

[hoary frost]

true

[vague scaffold]

Because mhj excuse is hybe allowed illit to copy concepts???

[upper solstice]

Thats not the excuse

[quick wadi]

calm down flames

[vague scaffold]

It is

[wet jewel]

aight guys this is close to an argument

[somber pumice]

I hate lauv

[hoary frost]

we actually don't know much so all we can do is wait until more information comes out

[wet jewel]

no altercation is need for something we cant do

[cyan delta]

i think we're too early in the whole situation to take a side or even assume anything, just wait it out

[unkempt roost]

bro chill man, you just had several heated arguments in fimcord too, please take some time off the internet it's probably better for your mental health

[upper solstice]

[wet jewel]

[vague scaffold]

I did not???

[upper solstice]

[dapper root]

bros just saying shit

[brazen ice]

anyone know how long audit results take💀

[old cypress]

three question marks

[white arch]

people who fights falls in love

[wet jewel]

depends

[old cypress]

it's an internal audit i think so who knows

[hoary frost]

i might take a while i guess

[vague scaffold]

https://m.segye.com/view/20240422509084 read this shit and tell me how this isn't illegal

[quick wadi]

alright that’s enough

[brazen ice]

no ones denying it isnt illegal, problem is we dont know if its true

[quick wadi]

I warned you once already to stop

[upper solstice]

i cant read it

[wet jewel]

how do u know this is real

[somber pumice]

Dumbass

[placid rose]

order in the court

[wet jewel]

this is all according or reporting

[quick wadi]

use this thread only for discussion purposes 🤞

[unkempt roost]

https://tenor.com/view/order-speaker-disrupted-the-guardian-gif-14383444

[placid rose]

https://tenor.com/view/sentenced-judge-gavel-life-guilty-gif-12475856

[somber pumice]

Can we go back to the boba discussion

🥺

[wet jewel]

alright guys we're not doing jury duty

[unkempt roost]

i miss john bercow

[quick wadi]

strawberryjam whatever you’re typing delete it

I handled it already

a response won’t happen

[wet jewel]

lmao

wait

u banned him?

[quick wadi]

no wth lol

just a simple timeout

[wet jewel]

o

[mild stratus]

ok guys, discuss about the audit only. whoever derails or just talks for the sake of talking is getting timed out

[mild stratus]

he rage quit and left

[wet jewel]

i see

he was getting too riled up

[somber pumice]

🦗

[quick wadi]

yeah I timed him out

[acoustic valve]

Remember, neither Hybe nor Ador are under any obligation to reveal any information to the public unless this case goes to court. Any leaks that appear in media will be carefully chosen information aiming to be of benefit to one-sidedly either Hybe or Ador. Don't take everything at face value and exercise some media literacy

[quick wadi]

and then ig he left

[quick wadi]

Good job jam

[cyan delta]

if this goes to court nj could have a fifty fifty typa situation hell nah 😭

[wet jewel]

use the years of radical thinking and decide for your own self everyone

[thin solar]

if there are any priests in this server they could just bless newjeans

[true glacier]

that whole thing was different tho

[thin solar]

hopefully getting pinned:
hybe and ador are still in a discussion over this situation, we do not know what will happen to newjeans nor to the staff at ador, the highest risk there is is a change at the creative direction, but we can't grab on sudden conclusions and we will have to wait for a statement of the two companies regarding it all

[somber pumice]

Thanks Hanni Glazed Brisket

[true glacier]

or at least the reasoning behind it was pretty different to this

5050 just had weird external people trying to get all weird with the contracts, this is about mhjs feelings being hurt

[placid rose]

this issue has got me anxious for the past hours

[acoustic valve]

personally, the only thing I'm taking for granted is that I'll support the girls and what they think is best. The rest is noise that I'm not going to get personally invested in one way or the other

[somber pumice]

can you become the new executive

[acoustic valve]

I vote Hyein, it's time zoomers got a real role model

[cyan delta]

she rlly shouldve thought about the members themselves before doing anything

[thin solar]

and also because we can't just grasp onto sudden rumours, the whole situation is still resolving itself and grabbing onto conclusions out of nowhere and searching for them is the same thing as dispatch trying to get kyungsoo from exo in a dating scandal but only finding him looking at himself in a mirror

[true glacier]

i vote hanni because i want to be represented by a viet person

[unkempt roost]

LMAO poor kyungsoo

[somber pumice]

is your last name pham

[true glacier]

i am extremely interested in learning what may or may not happen to her and newjeans but ultimately i really think she will just leave ador and they'll find someone for her

[thin solar]

please do not be idiots by trusting pannchoa

[true glacier]

yeah it is

[somber pumice]

wow me too

[placid rose]

wow a pham to pham conversation

[somber pumice]

alright angwhar

[cyan delta]

yeah im so invested in this 😭

[thin solar]

they're phamming

also out of context but have you all noticed ever since lsrfm hybe is only debuting 5 member groups

[acoustic valve]

Or maybe, this was all a grand plan to introduce the era of inter-label diss tracks meta in Hybe. Seems to be dping stonks for Drake and Taylor

[cyan delta]

LMAO

[true glacier]

what would be even more interesting to me is if hybe and mhj resolve this privately and nothing ultimately changes except maybe illits creative direction- that would probably be the best case scenario for everyone considering theres too much money involved to be petty over

[cyan delta]

yeahh

i mean illit was supposed to be 6 but one left

[thin solar]

6 member curse caused by gfriend

[acoustic valve]

so was.... oh

[cyan delta]

yeah

ik

[true glacier]

mhj is kendrick hybe is drake

[placid rose]

drakes the name rappings my game

[acoustic valve]

only way to fix this curse is to have youngseo join newjeans like she did in a different timeline, harmony is restored and the discord dissipates

[cyan delta]

youngseo join newjeans!?!?! 😭

[vale grove]

Nah

[placid rose]

This aint a Football transfer window 😭

[acoustic valve]

kpop fans are basically the same as sports fans tho

[vale grove]

I'm starting to wonder if illits debut perhaps was influenced by the upcoming comeback NewJeans has planned? When talking about the plagiarism situation mhj never specified if it was something they were planning or if it's based off of the current aesthetic/visuals nwjns already has. And while I do see the influence NewJeans has had on illit it's not where I can pinpoint a specific thing and be certain this is what mhj was referencing to. So I'm wondering if it's a future concept or ideas that was allegedly plagiarized.

We will have to wait and see

[acoustic valve]

Exactly, we just don't know enough facts, especially after only one day of shitslinging from both sides. Both sides made claims that favor them, the truth is probably somewhere in the middle and we'll only know where exactly as time goes on when and if more definitive information comes to light

[placid rose]

why does our mental integrity gets tested every comeback season

[acoustic valve]

at this rate their world tour will take place in the DMZ and involve some north/south korea controversy 😭

[waxen shell]

I’d support honestly

[waxen shell]

FOR REAL. I was just expecting more conspiracy:/

Take me back to eta and Mikel plz

Whatever the name of the actor was inETA lol

Simpler times for sure 😭😭😭

[acoustic valve]

you never know what you had till you lose it, can you imagine bunnies begging to go back to the ETA scandal days?

[waxen shell]

😭

[unkempt roost]

the worse part of this is that we wont get a 2nd Game Caterers with HYBE anytime soon if they fallout

[acoustic valve]

or it will be literal bloodsport with real spite behind it

[quick wadi]

as of right now I think I felt worse with eta

[vale grove]

We always have some sort of controversy around NewJeans

I honestly ignored the whole eta scandal

[waxen shell]

It’s hard being the leaders of this generation honestly

[brazen ice]

the eta scandal was just funny cuz of its absurdity lmao

[slate yarrow]

back waking up at 11am from sleep
looking over all this, I'll be on njs side cuz both hybe and mhj both did crazy things
I'm still worried of the future creative direction/concepts if mhj leaves and I'm also worried of how hybe would treat newjeans. hopefully there's someone who's like mhj for something like this but I'm not sure entirely. I'm also worried if newjeans would be made fun of by people for their future decisions. hopefully it won't be the case because of us bunnies. it must be so messy for newjeans and I hope they're ok in the end. hopefully they are because dani was all smiles when she arrived in taiwan

[acoustic valve]

I felt more wronged and helpless during ETA... but I can't lie, I feel more pessimistic about this

[arctic sky]

ETA scandals was bollocks not even worth mentioning lol

[waxen shell]

NewJeans will show the best side no matter what, because they are absolutely professionals. I do hope if the allegations are found to be true they seek out someone who’s innovative for their creative direction. NewJeans is so different and a lot of that is due to MHJ. I do worry who has the skills and passion and creativity to fill that position. She’s kinda crazy but she really has a lot of creative skill . It’s a shame this had to happen and I feel like every place she’s worked there comes out with issues between her and the teams. It’s not an isolated incident to have issues with other companies. That shows she’s likely a challenge to work with and doesn’t like to collaborate well.

I would not follow her out of Hybe if I were them. If this is even true. The damage is now done, regardless

I’ve always remains neutral over MHJ as I severely hate drama muddying up my most beloved hobby. But if this comes out as true I cannot be a fan of her going forward

[acoustic valve]

noting, NewJeans creative direction isn't the work of her alone, there's a lot of people that work behind the scenes to make it happen. If they remain, things won't necessarily to be too drastically different for NJ even if mhj leaves

[arctic sky]

Yea esp the bond that she had over the girls i mean those are specials that sets us apart

[waxen shell]

Yes! I do like to remember that she also has a whole team. She’s NOT a one woman show.

there’s likely many talented people who are behind the scenes helping create the magic

[vale grove]

Honestly wouldn't worry about NewJeans being made fun of because every group faces criticism, I'm more worried about what you mentioned with the creative direction 😔

[shy schooner]

nj will be on haitus

[vale grove]

That's something that DOES calm my nerves

[waxen shell]

Quite quite honestly I am to believe they already have the next year planned out, which would also include likely the music has been picked

At least demos

[slate yarrow]

idk if some of the members of her creative direction are on mhj's side or hybe's side

[waxen shell]

I think we’ll see this effect things down the line for sure long term but I don’t think immediate hiatus

We have bunnies camp in June and two come backs

[true glacier]

yeah but that doesn't sound as fun as worrying about the creative direction of newjeans

[waxen shell]

One in Japan

They’ve will not pull out of promos and likely will be active this summer

[kind hill]

Wow this discussion is still going. Im surprised

[slate yarrow]

the ride never ends

[waxen shell]

being a Tokki is always interesting

usually I hide from all Kpop drama by being only on discord but there’s no avoiding it ☠️

[slate yarrow]

everyone got the dramamamama

[west osprey]

mmmmmm drama, that delicious slop

[somber pumice]

wow it stopped

[brazen ice]

its 4 am in seoul. we gotta wait till those mofos wake up

[somber pumice]

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZPRw2NQx6/

[harsh dove]

@shorthairhaerin

[fluid folio]

ADOR

[shy schooner]

They prob not sleeping

[fluid folio]

except haerin