ETA

[vale sierra]

The odds of something being titled "ETA", naming several names related to ETA, and showing a car, on a Korean music video, which has absolutely nothing to do with Spain

Being absolutely pure coincidence

Probability wise is definitely a 1 in a billion chance

If it truly is just "randomly something that happened", then it's 1 in a billion chance

[void saddle]

That concept alone is insane and let me say that I could literally interpret those names as something related to Christianity? Spain is a predominant Christian country; that’s why Mexico is predominant catholic, the literal first thing I think of names like maria is the mother of Christ

is that not what other people are doing lol

[vale sierra]

Mikel is a Basque name

Not a Spanish name

[void saddle]

Swear the basques main religion is Roman Catholic lol

[vale sierra]

You're again ignoring the other 2 signs in the teaser

You're isolating each thing as if they're not related, when they are

[vale sierra]

And also, might I add that maybe the reason why your first thought when seeing that isn't "ETA the terrorist group" is because you didn't know ETA existed?

Or aren't knowledgeable about it?

While pretty much any Spanish person will see the word "ETA" and automatically think about it

[void saddle]

What is that based off tho, the comeback is not called by that terrorist group, this is speculation is getting based off a strawman argument, similar names and cars equating to them promoting terrorism. I’m simply doing my due diligence to make my own speculations

[quartz elbow]

I really hope that when the MV releases on 21st July, we'll finally know the truth about all of this. And also maybe on 1st July when NewJeans are gonna perform ETA on Bunnies Camp we will get a clarification what it's about

[vale sierra]

And even more so if literally under ETA, they see "starring *THE LEADER OF ETA, THE WIFE OF ETA, A VICTIM OF ETA"

Like, it was automatic in my brain

[vale sierra]

I didn't say they're promoting terrorism.

.

.

[void saddle]

Yes I didn’t know, if I know of a acronym that correlates to something different, I can easily differentiate, I can identify WTF being world taekwondo federation without creating some defamation rant about the cuss word, bc at the end of the day, this is all opinion, basing off a 15 second video to pretty much defame newjeans without any more context, LIKE you have to agree with that

[jaunty wolf]

An album based off a religion is what your saying right?

[vale sierra]

I-

[void saddle]

That’s my interpretation, can I not do that?

[jaunty wolf]

Yeah but newjeans is a really popular group, people could think there trying to convert people in other religions by using somthing they look up to

[vale sierra]

I'll use your example to explain it to you

[jaunty wolf]

And I’m not saying you can’t, you’re entitled to your own opinion

[vale sierra]

If the teaser was titled "WTF", and then said "starring f*ck, stupid, idiot"

[void saddle]

I saw u earlier making a speculation that this prolly isn’t the case, I’m not disregarding the argument, but making this conversation with no real concrete proof is ignorant tbh

[valid vessel]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/988492841246412840/1111229716985298944/togif-3.gif

[vale sierra]

Would you think WTF stands for World Taekwondo Federation?

[void saddle]

strawman I can’t lie, totally different

[vale sierra]

No

It's the same thing

Because ETA and Mikel, Maria and Eva go hand in hand

Anyone who knows about ETA knows who Mikel, Maria and Eva are

[void saddle]

So having human names in a album cover that coincidentally is similar to the group and a car in Spain equates to a niche part of history in Spain

[vale sierra]

Not niche

Just because you didn't know about it doesn't make it niche

[jaunty wolf]

^^

[vale sierra]

It's a very very big part of Spains history

And something that is remembered very darkly

[void saddle]

I’m saying that bc u insinuated no one outside Spain knows what eta is

niche part of a global scale bc newjeans is a Korean band, no?

[vale sierra]

I was assuming you didn't because you asked a question

[muted mica]

Keep it respectful in here

[vale sierra]

About it

[jaunty wolf]

Sorry 😞

[vale sierra]

"not knowing about it" doesn't make it niche

[void saddle]

I’m genuinely curious, In my eyes, having this conversation with something that isn’t even concrete is ignorant and somewhat defaming

[vale sierra]

And I've told you twice now, ignore what Twitter says

Because we here aren't saying what Twitter says

I'm not claiming the idiocies Twitter is coming up with

[void saddle]

Correlation =/= causation and even then, correlation is weak

[void saddle]

I disagree with you, but like I’m like really confused with ur point because you made a speculation that it most likely is a coincidence, but ur arguing for it being true, that’s what I’m confused about, what’s ur standpoint on this

[vale sierra]

Arguing what is true exactly?

[void saddle]

That newjeans album is basing off a terrorist group

[vale sierra]

I-

[void saddle]

essentially why people are upset right now

[vale sierra]

Eddy, please

I don't want to keep repeating myself

I think you've just come fresh off of Twitter, where people are claiming crazy things to be true

[void saddle]

Okay I guess that’s a mis understanding between us, but what I’m asking for you is that rn your like making an argument of WHY newjeans is getting beat rn

[vale sierra]

And you're lumping me in with them, when I have nothing to do with them

[void saddle]

I’m making speculations, can you not agree aswell that these are not concrete proof?

[vale sierra]

Newjeans shouldn't be getting beat, if anything it should be Ador

And the reason Ador should be getting beat is for an explanation behind those things in the teaser

Just want to know their reason for it, nothing else

[void saddle]

disregarding technicalities, company or not, NOT including you, but newjeans is gonna get hate regardless

[vale sierra]

Of course, because some people are idiots

And blame the girls who have absolutely no control over it

When they shouldn't be blaming them at all

But I can't control that, if I could, I would

[void saddle]

So ador should get heat for something that is speculated by the fans? What would happen for argument sake that ETA does not symbolize the doings of the terrorist group. Because at the end of the day, this could be all completely wrong including my argument.

[vale sierra]

Well, if they decided to name their mv ETA, and include names of leaders of ETA, and objects related to ETA

And that then makes us Spanish people, victims of ETA, confused

Then we'll obviously demand the reason for why that happened

[void saddle]

I’m a man of knowing all the information before spreading hate(to preface, creating this conversation on the internet is somewhat ignorant bc we don’t TRULY know their intentions)

[void saddle]

Ok very fair

[vale sierra]

Maybe the reason is "We held auditions for actors, and the best actors happened to have those names"

If that's the case, then okay, it is what it is

But that's it, just want to know the reason

That's atleast my reason for questioning Ador, anyway

[void saddle]

but for now, I’m holding this neutral position, that’s always been my standpoint. Because the “evidence” is something that is not concrete whatsoever, like dani said, if the mv includes more signs it’s better to question but rn, I find it really ignorant knowing the circumstance

[void saddle]

but I was curious and wanted to ask, which standpoint do you agree with.

[vale sierra]

It's definitely not concrete, I have no idea why those things are there, that's why I want Ador to explain it

Maybe the MV itself when it releases will explain it, who knows?

[void saddle]

Therefore that standpoint is fine, you can question it, but I can say like confidently that the overall consensus online is people pretty much insinuating ETA is what it is when there’s no concrete proof

that’s what I find mad weird

bc having the conversation alone is gonna defame the girls no ifs or buts

[vale sierra]

[void saddle]

If there is no concrete evidence, your just outright defaming them, may be analogy not similar but my standpoint is staying neutral and getting kind of annoyed that people who are taking a side with no real evidence. It’s literally like a thief getting took to court and let’s say he didn’t steal this time, but the jury votes him guilty because he had a past history. It’s literally unfair that people base this sentiment off a teaser in which newjeans had already got hate over something that they HAVENT explained

why speak on something that with no evidence? If people are wrong, you can’t even apologize because the damage is alrdy done lmao

(Newjeans alrdy received hate btw) which is crazy to me

based off speculations? Wow, very mature, it’s not even that the speculations are concrete proof, there literally not which is a bit odd

[drowsy spruce]

Let´s be serious right now, you are defending MHJ's actions by just saying "She is respected in Korea"? What's your excuse for the cookie AND ETA allegations? 1st of all, the names are no coincidence, having the actors named Maria, Mikel, and Eva is very strange because one of ETA MAIN EX-LIDERS is named Mikel Antza, one of the member's names is Maria Jauregui, and one of the most famous victims daughter is named Eva Larrañaga, so definitely there are no doubts that those names were picked backhanded. Also, why pick those names with a song named ETA? Strange right?

2nd thing is, the ETA song teaser is COINCIDENTLY set in the night, IN Spain, and with a car in the background? that the ETA song teaser is COINCIDENTLY set in the night, IN Spain, and with the car in ETA attacks were just like that, they put bombs in randoms' cars in the night, then exploding them when the victims are near to make chaos, and you are saying I am inventing stories?

Just to let you know, these things that I am saying are no towards the girls, are towards the promotion administration, and MHJ, because yes, she KNOWS what she is doing as an adult, but if you want to keep it blind, ok for you, but DON´T invalid a real story to just defend the group´s production.

there are some proofs attached.

[vale sierra]

I'm not going to claim that they did it 100% on purpose, but I do think it's very very weird and Ador need to explain the choices

[cerulean wagon]

and asking an artist to reveal their art or the full meaning of their art before they are ready is not ok. there are many cases of people leaking musician's work before it is released or people bullying artists into releasing prematurely and many artists have expressed resentment towards those actions. ADOR shouldn't be forced to respond to misinterpretations of a teaser before release because that would be forcing them to abandon their release plan. essentially it would be forcing them to rethink their creative decisions and possibly compromise their vision of the comeback, all based on non-concrete speculation. if they are more suspicious coincidences of an ETA link in the final product and they don't make it clear that they are not referring to a terrorist group i think we should come back to this conversation and demand a clarifying statement from ADOR. they should not be forced to reveal now because teasers aren't meant to be clear. misinterpretation is always a risk with teasers and ADOR shouldn't have to correct everyone. you don't have to go around demanding a clarifying statement from ADOR because we know they are already giving us one, like it's literally scheduled (i.e. the release of the full MV) 💀. if it remains suspcicious or ambiguous then and ADOR doesn't comment, I think it's fair to demand a better explanation THEN but not now. ffs just have some patience.

[void saddle]

It’s literally impossible for newjeans not to get hate from this, but newjeans being a girl group, but I want to emphasize that you are cannot just make these claims without solid evidence. Anyone who disagrees is the same type to continuously go against a person they dislike even if there wrongly framed or make a good point 💀💀

[vale sierra]

Imo, they should definitely rethink their creatives decisions

Making sure that the things they're releasing aren't offensive is a great idea

[cerulean wagon]

how can you say that when you haven't even viewed the whole work. as i said, misinterpretation is a given risk with teasers because they never reveal the full meaning.

[light sorrel]

Proof of what exactly? That they are intentionally promoting a Spanish terrorist group through NJ music?

[vale sierra]

Easily avoidable by making sure it can't be misinterpreted

[void saddle]

Real. My issue is that people are already spreading defamation bc that’s what it is, you can’t base something on a conspiracy you form bc that’s what it is in this PRESENT time. No one explained anything, no context was given, creating this conversations is crazy and ignorant

[vale sierra]

I have a super easy solution for it

Instead of Mikel, Maria and Eva

If it said, Juan, Jaimito and Pedrito

Then there'd be no room to misinterpret

And then none of this would have ever happened

[cerulean wagon]

but teasers are literally meant to only reveal part of a concept. if they had to correct every misinterpretation they would be spoiling their entire concept.

[vale sierra]

So yeah, making sure the content you make isn't offensive is a good idea

[drowsy spruce]

uhm, don´t you see evidence right in front of your eyes? What i was trying to say to that user, is that, he/she/them/it can not say that i am making a story, i am very serious abt this topic, but if you see that as an attack to his/she/their/it person, thats a you problem.

[vale sierra]

No need to correct it if you make sure before you release it

[exotic kernel]

ive been appointed to this thread.

https://youtu.be/_jbt8GZ0NuE

[vale sierra]

Ahhh I don't wanna watch that

[light sorrel]

I'm glad you see how serious these allegations are.

[drowsy spruce]

i am letting clear that this happened, and if it this "allegations" are true, ador should be very upset abt themselves

[void saddle]

Honestly, I believe the point that newjeans isn’t basing this off a terrorist act, so why would they need to change the art, what if they never knew ???

Idk why I got warned, I never insulted anyone…

[exotic kernel]

OHH IM LATE

[vale sierra]

They were in Spain and recorded it in Spain

[exotic kernel]

jeez

[light sorrel]

Please don't post all the non-stop deluge of youtubers farming hate for NJ for views. Nearly all of them are entirely disingenuous

[cerulean wagon]

LIKE MHJ LITERALLY SAID SHE DOESN'T LIKE TEASERS CUZ SHE WANTS THE MUSIC TO SPEAK FOR ITSELF. THEN PPL DEMAND TEASERS AND ARE UPSET WHEN THE TEASERS DON'T FULLY EXPLAIN THE CONCEPT? get real. there is no way they aren't gonna offend someone when they have a global audience, especially when they aren't ready to reveal the full concept.

[vale sierra]

Yeah, please, those videos are so useless

[muted mica]

If you're going to call people ignorant atleast explain how, in the same message

[exotic kernel]

nah mean heejin def do too much

[prisma knoll]

[void saddle]

Coincidence? It’s not apparently to people, and even if you have that sentiment, you can’t say it because your basing it off insufficient evidence

[feral raptor]

did u based on the yt vid

[void saddle]

I guess, but I did elaborate right here

[void saddle]

.

[vale sierra]

I already told you, a Spanish person will automatically see the relation between ETA and those names, and we'll automatically be confused

Like, unavoidably

[exotic kernel]

i just saw the video 🤷‍♀️

[drowsy spruce]

yes yes yes and YES!

[vale sierra]

I can't not see it

[void saddle]

Newjeans fans aren’t exclusively in Spain, even so, the evidence is insufficient, you can’t make these claims without prefacing with skepticism

[vale sierra]

The signs is super apparent for Spanish people, because we are the ones who suffered to ETA

[light sorrel]

Nah this is my other big issue with all the NJ hate. People just always use "MHJ is a creep" or even worse: "MHJ is a p*do" to justify whatever ridiculous claims they are making. It's disgusting how people have been slandering her non-stop for a year now off scant-evidence.

[vale sierra]

Not the other fans who aren't Spanish

[exotic kernel]

wait so do you guys believe or not

[vale sierra]

If we never said anything about it, nobody would've ever found out ETA even existed

[exotic kernel]

i know these tings

[vale sierra]

So I understand why other people didn't react negatively

But we can't avoid seeing that and thinking "what? Why those names?"

[void saddle]

Okay so it’s a case of misinterpretation, you still can’t make this claim bc the evidence is not concrete. (This has been my main point)

[prisma knoll]

I didn’t know about ETA until this controversy

[vale sierra]

Exactly, but us Spanish have known about ETA for decades

[void saddle]

So real, and even then I’m not defending no one, I can point out what she’s done wrong but like you can’t just use her as like a “oh she planned this all, she was always a creep”

[vale sierra]

Because we suffered to them

So when we see "ETA + eta leader names" we automatically go

[exotic kernel]

so we disagree with the claims im assuming

[light sorrel]

On that I can agree, Spanish people are allowed to express their displeasure at the circumstances and perhaps even ask for an explanation, even if it was most likely out of coincidence. But once people start claiming intent for this ludicrous theory it demands far more evidence.

[vale sierra]

That I can't defend, because I'm not claiming intent for crazy things

[void saddle]

I agree too, but like people are using this as like some concrete evidence that newjeans is conspiring a terrorist act

[vale sierra]

It's more like

[exotic kernel]

dis

[void saddle]

because ETA was an actual event that happened, you can’t correlate that to something you don’t know about

[vale sierra]

Imagine think your friend maybe lied to you, and you want them to explain something to believe them

That's it tbh

[prisma knoll]

[void saddle]

i dont say this disrespectfully, but in that analogy, that friend was prolly telling the truth and you’d be somewhat insecure. (Not you, just the analogy I want to preface)

[vale sierra]

Probably, but like, we're talking about a traumatic piece of Spanish history

[void saddle]

You can’t make a correlation into causation, that’s a literal mathematical concept, in that analogy, your FRIEND would have to explain how there feeling

[vale sierra]

So of course, we are going to be sensitive about it

And maybe insecure lmao

[muted mica]

Wait so what is the point you are making in this thread @vale sierra @drowsy spruce

[void saddle]

ok fair, I’m not using the argument to dunk on you, I respect you guys, Im just having a debate ig lmao

[muted mica]

I kind of understand the point Eddy is trying to make of not claiming their intent without being skeptical first

But I am confused of Danii and rin's arguments after reading this thread for a while

I can understand that Danii is saying that Spanish people are demanding an explanation from ADOR for making these coincidences in their teaser

But I am confused if eddy is fighting an invisible Twitter person in this thread or not

[void saddle]

I want to preface that because there is no solid evidence, making these arguments is sensitive enough, you can’t make a yet alone weak correlation to something that makes the causation true

[vale sierra]

My point is basically:

I see multiple things that coincidentally are related to ETA apparently. Why? Was it a coincidence? Did you just hire actors and those were their names? How did that happen?

And that's it, like, it's just a "Ador, please explain"

[cerulean wagon]

why can't you wait untill the full MV?

[void saddle]

I’m not trying to fight, my standpoint is staying neutral and I’m giving the benefit of the doubt to newjeans because all this evidence is not solid and very insufficient, if anything it could be talking about a different form of art in Spain

[vale sierra]

I mean, if the MV explains it, then sure

But if the MV doesn't explain it, then I want Ador to explain it

[granite root]

Just believe with what you believe, its fine you have your own understanding and interpretation, but don't force your each others beliefs to other people. Instead of bickering about this ETA subliminal message, its better we talk about the actual music. If you want to explaination about this coincidence, this thread can't give you any explanation since we are not from ador

[void saddle]

innocent until proven guilty??? Is that not how it goes in law….

even then, newjeans is no way painted as a perpetrator that’s why im@annoyed somewhat with the heat

[vale sierra]

You also have to defend yourself against accusations in law

In that situation anyway

[granite root]

This bickering is pointless

[cerulean wagon]

exactly. and if it doesn't demanding an explanation makes sm sense. but asking them to reveal more of their concept before the release is not gonna happen.

[vale sierra]

I mean, I didn't ask for that

[cerulean wagon]

ye but the burden of evidence should fall on those who are accusing otherwise it's witch hunting

[void saddle]

Very fair, but you also need evidence, Ik y’all don’t like this but why can’t I make the argument that ETA is related to something else like Christianity

[vale sierra]

Also yes I think so

[muted mica]

Nah i'm of the same standpoint, i've been in this standpoint even during Garam accusations, i'm waiting for the whole truth to be revealed first before villainizing ADOR

[vale sierra]

And other people too, cos people keep saying I'm saying things I have never said

[cerulean wagon]

that's what a clarifying statement would do if they made one before the full release tho.

[vale sierra]

I asked for an explanation, but I didn't say when I want it

[muted mica]

Wait so Danii you are typing in here to demand a response from ADOR?

[vale sierra]

Though imo, if they want to minimize damage, they should do it sooner rather than later

[void saddle]

This is the same hate expressed forwards newjeans, I absolutely hate the opinion of being like “oh but the signs show that she was that, why wouldn’t I hate” like stay neutral?

But the thing is, apologizes won’t help bc garam is done

[vale sierra]

Nah, here I'm generally just explaining why this is an issue

So people are aware that this is an issue

[void saddle]

that’s the thing, you can be rashful in different situations but when you questions a persons character with no real evidence, you are creating a permanent sentiment on them

[muted mica]

Oh okay I understand then, just educating us about ETA terrorist group

[vale sierra]

Sometimes it gets derailed into other stuff, but that's what I'm trying anyway

[muted mica]

@granite root That's a bit condescending saying it that way. Please keep it respectful in this thread.

[void saddle]

Giving the benefit of the doubt to a side that is opposing the person getting accused is crazy because it is unanimously supposed to be innocent until guilty

[granite root]

Okay my bad, i will be more respectful

[void saddle]

and yet newjeans actions don’t indicate the slander there receiving

[vale sierra]

I like to avoid mentioning Newjeans here, because the girls aren't at fault for this

[void saddle]

im saying newjeans because whether you think it’s true, is receiving all the hate

If someone does a horrific act at a institution, the ENTIRE institution is gonna receive a bad rep

that’s been proven so many times

[vale sierra]

That's precisely why I'm stressing that Newjeans, the girls, aren't at fault

Because I don't want to be part of the group that are hating on the girls

[void saddle]

Not directing to you, but I’m saying that newjeans will get hate regardless

[vale sierra]

[void saddle]

Ever heard the phrase “one bad apple affects the bunch?”

Clearly not a one person either bc online there basically staying “newjeans terrorist, etc”

[void saddle]

This, and hanni as the thumbnail

like what does that even mean, it’s not even valid to post

if we’re going off misinterpation, people should preface with the works of MHJ not newjeans the girls

[vale sierra]

Well, I'm sorry, but I can't control that...

[void saddle]

but I still don’t believe the accusations are valid to begin with, BASED off the insufficient evidence

[vale sierra]

If I could, I'd remove all of it, but I can't

[void saddle]

I know, and I respect that you are Spanish, you have the right for this, im not trying to have a bad faith argument. But I want to stay neutral with the facts and side with newjeans

because that’s what everything points to

why would I turn against newjeans because of a conspiracy derived off no solid evidence, I would look ignorant, that’s what I utilize the word ignorant for, whether you dislike MHJ, I believe you can’t make these bad faith arguments whether it be because of past or a coincidence

even if I dislike the person, I don’t find it morally correct to jump on some hate bandwagon

[zealous berry]

Has ador gaven any further info?

[void saddle]

Why would they, unless we see evidence in the MV, they are forced to respond to people who are conspiring and indirectly defamimg newjeans

Unless this drama makes the situation unanimous, it’s very odd to make some statement, like Danielle having to apologize over the Chinese new year thing, I never understood why she needed to do it even if what she’s did wasn’t bad

[cerulean wagon]

i understand you can't control how antis are twisting this and it's actually very good of you to chat in here instead of twitter because people here more fully understand NewJeans and can have actual conversations about the issues in relation to NewJeans.

[cerulean wagon]

misinterpretations are always gonna happen. let's hope the MV speaks for itself and that ADOR doesn't need to make additional statements. the last time ADOR tried to give their perspective/interpretation it worsened the situation, so they're never gonna do that again unless they really have to.

[zealous berry]

Well I do think they should give some sort of statement to protect their artist coincidence or not giving the nature of the whole situation

[void saddle]

Honestly tho I said I’m neutral but I agree with you, I dont like MHJ but I’m not gonna jump to conclusions with her, do you personally believe that the song cookie was some innuendo bc that time I was really skeptical

[zealous berry]

I feel like not responding can be more harmful to newjeans and their rep

[muted mica]

I understand your argument eddy, but in the end we can't really do anything about it unless ADOR themselves releases a statement clearing up all of the accusations and rumors

[void saddle]

True, because it is a business, but I wish it wasn’t like that

and that’s my opinion, not truth

[zealous berry]

Exactly

[void saddle]

Fair, I would want to see the music video first but for now, I still believe that it’s some works of some antis tbh

like I would understand if there was more proof in the MV

[muted mica]

Those who know of and were affected by ETA terrorist group are rightfully allowed to demand an explanation from ADOR, even if doing so will result in harmful rumors being spread that it's factual, when in reality they just want a concrete explanation of why these similarities exist

[void saddle]

But I think now is too early to have this bad faith argument

[vale sierra]

This is pretty much it, yeah

[zealous berry]

Legit

[muted mica]

If anything ADOR should just tell us who the 3 people are in the bottom right of the teaser

[vale sierra]

[void saddle]

I see what your saying, I guess I’m looking at it very subjective because comparing it to the Danielle Chinese new year incident, whether it’s a business, I personally don’t believe u should apologize for something you know you didn’t do wrong

[hallow knoll]

eh

[zealous berry]

You can’t compare this to the Danielle Chinese new year incident

[cerulean wagon]

cookie was an issue of personal interpretation and people were arguing about what was the 'true' interpretation. art doesn't work like that and people are entitled to their own interpretations. i have mine but i'm not gonna share cuz i don't want to discuss. it's valid for people to voice their interpretations and their concerns, but people are responsible for educating themselves and making their own decision. people shouldn't have tried to make others feel bad for interpreting cookie as innocent and they shouldn't have been so quick to dismiss ADORs statement. like if you weren't convinced by ADOR and the song still made you uncomfortable don't stream and that's a valid personal choice... but don't make others feel bad for deciding it OK to enjoy the song.

[void saddle]

With the evidence right now, you can’t really accuse newjeans of something without some hint of skepticism

[vale sierra]

I've no idea what that Danielle thing is about, but me personally I'm not expecting an apology, just an explanation

[void saddle]

like that’s why I preface by saying UNTIL we see the MV

[zealous berry]

a majority of people just want an official statement

[muted mica]

I don't think he's comparing the incident to the rumors, eddy is saying that he doesn't believe ADOR owes people an explanation of the similarities because I suppose it would ruin the surprise/magic of the release, whereas I disagree because they really should explain atleast that the ETA MV is in "NO WAY RELATED TO THE TERRORIST GROUP, because not saying anything is kind of shooting themselves in the foot

[vale sierra]

This exactly, yes

[zealous berry]

Ohhh

[void saddle]

I agree i have some fault to that I may be stubborn if someone misinterpreted what I’d say, especially bc artists unique like NJ don’t really explain themselves, like the ban heeseo thing was really cool, not as cool if they just explained everything

like I agree a bit that being stubborn and even if ur not wrong, you should prolly make a statement to save face in a business aspect

[cerulean wagon]

there will always be people who won't buy an explanation and ADOR making a statement will draw more attention to the issue. again, lets hope the MV explains itself because ADOR will probably only make a statement as a last resort. making a statement would also be shooting themselves in the foot, because if they denied the ETA connection people would say they are lying and trying to hide behind a double meaning... just like cookie.

[void saddle]

I get that, but there should also not be hate torward newjeans, everything should be approached with skepticism

[vale sierra]

I think the number of people would greatly diminish

Because this isn't as subjective as the cookie thing

[void saddle]

Eh, that’s my stubbornness I gusss, in my personal life, I just feel like a people pleaser if I do that (not relating to drama)

[vale sierra]

A solid "No. This is absolutely not related at all" would make many of the reasonable Spanish say "Okay, thanks"

[zealous berry]

I think It would be better for them to release a statement now to avoid unnecessary hate and complications until the mv comes out

[muted mica]

It seems like your point has been made eddy

[vale sierra]

And we'll move on

[frozen geyser]

it’s not about saving their reputation, it’s that the fans need an explanation

[void saddle]

I can see ur pov, the reason why newjeans would have to make a statement as bc people were literally making statements defaming them. I would preface by saying that if we see the MV, making a statement before is something to save face bc I would say the fans are being a bit ignorant on how there carrying their opinions out

[muted mica]

So basically you agree that ADOR should release a statement to clear everything up

So true eddy

[zealous berry]

[void saddle]

I think they should release a statement if something in the MV furthermore backs up these fans claims

But again, I’m not saying my stuff as truth, bc I’m basing this off as “I know I’m not wrong, why do I need to apologize”

[vale sierra]

Eddy, you have to understand, they aren't claims

[cerulean wagon]

that's your perspective based on the conclusions and opinions you hold. i agree ETA terrorism is a more serious topic than cookie, i'm saying the link it still just as subjective and rooted in a double-meaning interpretation and coincidences (just like cookie). people asserted several coincidences in cookie lyrics as well and people came to the conclusion that because there were so many, it must be intentional. either way, making a statement will attract more attention and there will always be hoards of people who are deadset on their conclusions and think a situation isn't subjective, no matter the issue.

[vale sierra]

We're not making stuff up

[void saddle]

The event actually happened, but the claims correlating it to newjeans ETA is something that is invalid

[vale sierra]

When I say "ETA is a terrorist group in Spain, Mikel and Maria were leaders, Eva was a victim, a nocturnal car bombings were something they did"

It isn't a claim, it's a fact

That's why we need the explanation

[void saddle]

I’m referring to people making claims that newjeans ETA correlates with the terrorist event

[muted mica]

Then even more of a reason for ADOR to send out a small tweet saying that it's completely unrelated...

[frozen geyser]

most people aren’t purposely trying to defame them. there is certainly a possibility that this is all just a coincidence, but we don’t know that since there is also a fair amount of reasoning that leads to what fans think about ETA and its correlations
all in all we don’t know anything for sure and we simply want an explanation

[zealous berry]

That’s why there needs to be a statement

[vale sierra]

But those things appear in the teaser

I'm not making it up

[void saddle]

A car driving at night correlates to those events???

That’s opinion not fact therefore is a claim

[vale sierra]

All those things are there

ETA, ETA leaders names, victims and a car. They're right there.

[void saddle]

But it’s not fact therefore it’s a claim against newjeans accusing them of the character without clear evidence

[vale sierra]

But... It's right there

[void saddle]

Correlation=/= causations

[cerulean wagon]

@void saddle correlating those things in the teaser is very valid because it's just people's interpretations. like people are allowed to wonder who the names refer to, and point out the similarities to real world situaitons.

[vale sierra]

Correlation =/= causation doesn't apply here Eddy

[void saddle]

why not lol

[vale sierra]

Because nothing is "happening"

There's no "causation" here

Only correlation

There are multiple things related to ETA. That's it. We want to know the meaning behind those things

[zealous berry]

Yeah

[void saddle]

I will always give the accused the benefit of the doubt if there is no real evidence, while this is more loose with more serious crimes like ||s/a|| but you get my gist

[vale sierra]

But to clear the doubt, they need to explain themselves

That's all

[void saddle]

I’m not, I’m making the claim that we should give the benefit of the doubt to NJ because what do the facts say

[zealous berry]

All they need to do Is say “this has no correlation”

[vale sierra]

And explain how

"We held an audition, and those actors won the audition, so they're in the MV"

Case closed, we all go home happy

[void saddle]

wasn’t garam accused of something she didn’t do? She still got hate for it, I stayed neutral bc I can’t comment on it with concrete evidence

[vale sierra]

I've said it earlier already, the issue is because many people didn't know ETA existed, their initial reaction wasn't the same as ours, who do know ETA

So those people might not understand why we react that way

[muted mica]

Eddy they aren't demanding that ADOR should reveal the entire ETA MV script and screenplay, they just want a clarification that the people named in the teaser are not a reference to the ETA terrorist group...

[vale sierra]

Mhm

[zealous berry]

Fr

[vale sierra]

Or maybe they are? In which case, I want to know the context and why they chose to do it

[muted mica]

In that case wait for the MV first

[vale sierra]

Yup

Or an explanation from them, I mean I'll wait anyways

[void saddle]

Ok fair, ig I’m prideful, and I want to include also newjeans is getting hate for it too even if it’s a misunderstanding. THATS the main point I’m annoyed with

I can agree with that

[vale sierra]

I know this stuff doesnt get solved from one day to the next

[cerulean wagon]

@void saddle @vale sierra is saying there seems to be too many links for this all to be coincidental and saying ADOR should clarify or risks being accused of doing this intentionally. We should not deny the fact that ETA is the name of a terror group, mikel and maria were an influential couple in that group, and eva was a victim. I am of the opinion it might've been intentional but it might've been coincidental, but i still accept the above facts i've mentioned.

[vale sierra]

Just wonder if they'll read the comments under their instagram/tiktok/twitter posts from us asking for an explanation...

[void saddle]

I like to stay neutral, unless you aren’t directly effected like the people of Spain, it’s best to approach with skepticism

[zealous berry]

Staying neutral is not taking any side until proof is provided

[void saddle]

bc if u jump to accuse someone, there’s no apology warrant to the outcome

[void saddle]

Ok I guess I worded my words wrong, but staying neutral also means innocent until proven guilty, I am siding with newjeans not in hopes that there right but I WILL ALSO criticize NJ if the accusations are true

[vale sierra]

Yes, that's pretty much what I'm saying

[void saddle]

And basing off evidence, I don’t agree with it

[cerulean wagon]

lmao and that's fine

[muted mica]

I preordered the Weverse Set, PPG x NJ box set, and NJ ver + Hanni ver Beach Bunny bag albums. I think I deserve an explanation

[jaunty wolf]

^^^

[void saddle]

Ngl yall, i respect y’all all btw 💀we can be friends but I just am prideful about certain things

[frozen geyser]

nobody is outright criticizing newjeans, it's ADOR people want an explanation from
it's okay to stay neutral until an explanation, but it's also valid for people to feel concerned (if that's the right word) about this situation

[void saddle]

If I called u guys a no no word, I’d def not have this convo lmao

[muted mica]

You already made your point that you are staying neutral, I don't think any further dialogue is really needed anymore tbh

[void saddle]

agree, coming back to my opinion of being the bigger person, bc my personal opinions is that NJ is innocent, but I understand the statements that need to be issued, (I am upset with the people who are making slanderous takes though)

[void saddle]

Bro anything but calc homework, let’s keep arguing

I’m joking lmao

[muted mica]

This entire thread became an echo chamber, please stop repeating the same points over and over.

[void saddle]

Ngl i recognized many times I had to repeat the same point but yeah 💀💀💀

[muted mica]

@quartz elbow

[void saddle]

Bros got good memory

[vale sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/eunchae-scold-gif-27697358

[muted mica]

Someone make an overarching summary of the events today to make it into a sushi tag, thank you

[jaunty wolf]

At the end of the day we are all bunnies

[frozen geyser]

tl;dr we need an explanation from ador about this

[void saddle]

I think I’d express it better in voice because like texting is like a dark pipeline

[vale sierra]

"That's weird, that's suspicious, please explain Ador" - summary by Danii

Feel free to quote that everywhere

I'm heading to bed

[void saddle]

Got 4 more hours of calc hw bc I was having this convo

Don’t regret it tho, I hate calc

[muted mica]

My messages were fire, someone make a summary

[jaunty wolf]

[muted mica]

Best summary gets pinned

[jaunty wolf]

This sounds like hw, so I’m not doing it

[exotic kernel]

damn

so, do yall agree or disagree

[muted mica]

About what

[exotic kernel]

the controversy

[cerulean wagon]

230628 summary: there are many coincidences to real world situations involving ETA, and there is some consensus that everyone deserves an explanation of the decisions that led to these suspicious coincidences. some people think ADOR should make a statement now and others think they should make a statement after release if needed.

[exotic kernel]

i couldnt finish the debate with you guys, i had to go

[muted mica]

This is too vague i think

[cerulean wagon]

ok

[zealous berry]

For the majority I think yeah

[exotic kernel]

people got a right to be pissed tho

[void saddle]

I got upset because newjeans were getting hate for something that wasn’t based off solid evidence. Dani made the argument that there are many incidences that these messages appear which furthermore correlates to the ETA group, in addition to her being a Spaniard, it makes more sense to question it. Then we got into a debate if which newjeans should make a statement because the entire situation looks suspicious, and i got stubborn bc I don’t think that you should apologize for something that isn’t true, we all made up and recognized bc of the coincidence, ador should make a statement anyways because of explanation rather then a save face attempt bc I dont and other people don’t believe that their comeback is something related per se

[zealous berry]

[exotic kernel]

lawd-

[muted mica]

Bro really doesn't want to do his calc hw

[void saddle]

I can do this all day, try spending 11 hours on homework

dude engineering major is so dumb

I wish I was a business major so I can do this more often

[void saddle]

Let me cook tho

[exotic kernel]

ye

who tf is dani 😁??

[vale sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/kto-kounotoritoken-kounotori-lbow-storkholders-gif-25676349

[exotic kernel]

OHAUD

[void saddle]

@vale sierra 🤝?

[exotic kernel]

heh

heyyyy girll

mb i remember u now

[cerulean wagon]

230628 summary: there are many parallels to real world situations involving ETA (name, nocturnal setting, car, and names etc), and some believe there are too many similarities for it to be a coincidence. some disagree with this conclusion and still think it is all coincidental. there is some consensus that everyone deserves an explanation of the decisions that led to these parallels between the teaser and ETA terrorism. some people think ADOR should make a statement now to minimize damage and others think they should make a statement after release because they think it could force them to prematurely spoil the release.

@muted mica how this?

[void saddle]

Bluds a English major

[exotic kernel]

ela best subject

[muted mica]

Damn I need to include this message + Danii's response

[void saddle]

My msg don’t cut the role? 😒😅

[exotic kernel]

eddy w message

[void saddle]

nvm this why I didn’t major in English

[zealous berry]

Do ur calc

[jaunty wolf]

^^

[exotic kernel]

bernice behind conspiracies

[muted mica]

personally I think this summary would be hard to interpret by someone who wasnt present for the discussions held

[cerulean wagon]

fair what else should i include

[exotic kernel]

im probably still gon stream eta

[muted mica]

I think it would be easier to just state the general points we made in bullet points, rather than making a conclusive summary lol

Or in this case hyphens (-)

[cerulean wagon]

mmk

[jaunty wolf]

make a google doc or sm

[exotic kernel]

mans been putin in the work for this essay

[glass wraith]

This is TEA

[frozen geyser]

-rule3

[upbeat ivy]

Keep channels on topic. Each channel has a description; please follow it.

[exotic kernel]

aur

aurkay

[cerulean wagon]

230628 summary:

• many parallels between ETA terrorism and the teaser exist (name, nocturnal setting, car, and names of victims and terrorists etc).
• some believe there are too many similarities for it to be a coincidence.
• some disagree and still think it is all coincidental.
• there is some consensus that impacted people and NJS fans deserve an explanation of the decisions that led to these parallels between the teaser and ETA terrorism. ADOR should make a statement saying that NJS ETA is IN NO WAY referencing the ETA terrorist group.
• opinions on how this explanation should be delivered are split:
• (A) ADOR should make a statement now to minimize damage.
• (B) They should make a statement after release because they think it could force them to prematurely spoil the release.

❗️Note: We have also distinguished people who are concerned and people who are twisting this into hateful comments. People voicing genuine concerns cannot be held responsible for others turning this into NJS hate. We have also agreed NJS members cannot be held responsible for these creative decisions.

[muted mica]

I still think you should be more specific by stating maybe that ADOR should make a statement saying that the ETA MV is IN NO WAY referencing the ETA terrorist group and that people affected by and/or know of ETA terrorist group should be able to demand an explanation from ADOR, even if harmful rumors will be spread, etc.

Am I your English teacher

Be more specific 70/100

I'll just pin it since I said it here anyways

[glass wraith]

To be honest , I want to give MHJ and Ador the Benefit of the Doubt, I will wait well and watch the MV and progress from there, I dont think they would knowingly make this correlation especially knowing how much Influence Newjeans is gaining.

If they seriously had this as the concept America and their Global Expansion would seriously be put at risk and I truly dont think that was the intent or goal, The Names on the teaser having a corelation are quite suprising, but like I said l will wait for the MV and more info before jumping to any conclusions etc

[maiden nimbus]

maybe they’ll change some things in the mv now that they’ve seen the fuss that was created

[muted mica]

https://twitter.com/songyeondan/status/1673762103553867777?s=20

lily (@songyeondan)

A KPOP STAN FINALLY GOT HIT WITH A COMMUNITY NOTE 💀

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Twitter · Jun 27, 2023, 6:35 PM

It's so good that twitter added the context thing

[maiden nimbus]

[cerulean wagon]

@muted mica updated my message pls give me a better grade teacher

[muted mica]

hey W footnote

[lunar lance]

[fossil token]

five teenage singing girls out of everyone in the world

[cerulean wagon]

digging up messages from two days ago is how these conversations go in circles 👹

like this point has already been discussed at length and I don’t think anyone here, regardless of different opinions, thinks the girls themselves are responsible for the creative decisions in the teaser.

[plain vine]

https://twitter.com/ttendouri/status/1673137974454673409?s=46&t=s9qLIXyjw30VgCHJrvHZ6w

izzy (@ttendouri)

ETA and NewJeans thread because of some you are not educated on what’s going on.
🧵; Open

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Twitter · Jun 26, 2023, 1:15 AM

[mighty mesa]

and cartoon network

why would they want to collab with 5 singing girls associated with a terrorist group

[lunar lance]

maybe they have bad intention

they want to destroy their own company

[cerulean wagon]

i doubt cartoon network was part of the decision-making process for the ETA teaser because it doesn't really look like ETA specifically is gonna use the powerpuff IP. CN would've been completely unaware of the ETA teaser design before they made the deal. after they made the deal it is unlikely that unrelated contents of the comeback were given to them for approval and review.

[prisma knoll]

Unrelated note, I hate modern Cartoon Network

[light sorrel]

The idea that any of this is intentional from Ador is just pure insanity

[wise patio]

yeah

[short ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/alexjones-alex-jones-tinfoil-hat-gif-19186951

[wise patio]

i found an interesting comment

[cerulean wagon]

parts of it offer an interesting perspective but the politicization in this comment is a bit unnecessary. ETA's political movement and Spanish politics in general is kinda overshadowed by the fact ETA conducted terrorism activities and murdered people. regardless, politics & violence in a foreign country should be left untouched by NewJeans because a big chunk of their audience is highly impressionable (children). i hold the opinion that we need to wait for the full release to make conclusions about the possible ETA references.... BUT i think it's incorrect to say all people who think ETA (the terror group) is a bad thing are siding with fascists.

ETA committed murder and terrorism which are both serious crimes so i think it's totally valid to feel ETA is a horrible thing because of that. people who believe ETA is a bad thing can also believe Spain's dictatorship and fascism was bad as well.

[vale sierra]

Yeah, this is why I say that associating this to politics is stupid

They're terrorists, not politicians

[light sorrel]

When you use the word terrorism, it's impossible to remove politics from it. The term itself is intrisically tied to politics

[cerulean wagon]

yeah and kpop concepts shouldn't refer to either because they are too serious (edit: and too messy) to be incorporated into a pop group comeback.

again, i don't necessarily believe ETA terrorism is actually being referenced in the eta teaser, but i'm gonna wait till we get full content to consider my conclusion.

[light sorrel]

Legit haven't seen a single soul that disagrees with that?

For that to be an issue you'd first have to also believe a Kpop company is actually intentionally doing just that

[cerulean wagon]

? for what to be an issue

[light sorrel]

Kpop concepts directly referencing terrorist organizations

[cerulean wagon]

yeah i think that shouldn't happen but no i don't believe one way or the other that ador intentionally did this, given what we've seen so far.

again, the position i assume now is that i need to wait for release and until then i'm trying to be neutral.

[light sorrel]

My point is, everybody agrees with that. Whether a kpop concept should be directly referencing a terrorist organizations was never even up for discussion. It's not what was being discussed at all

[cerulean wagon]

hmm ok we must be talking past each other

[vale sierra]

No.

Stop trying to make it about politics.

All you achieve by doing that is igniting a debate on political beliefs, which has absolutely nothing to do with this.

And is not what this thread is about, nor what this issue is about, nor anything.

[cerulean wagon]

I think they were trying to state terrorism is politically motivated which it generally is, by definition.

But political beliefs don’t justify terrorism so yeah I don’t think it’s worth considering the specific ideologies too much in this thread.

[vale sierra]

Yeah, sure, but no point bringing that up

The issue is they were bringing up which ideology they're from, which can be cause for political debate cos people who are familiar with ETA truly will disagree on that stuff

Which should just be avoided, this isn't a "what political ideology does ETA have" thread

It'll just cause people to potentially argue for no reason

[deft pebble]

im kinda curious since I saw some things and informations about terrorism?

saying that hybe is promoting terrorism?? (i’m not talking bad about the members or the group don’t worry)

[unborn oracle]

Some antis saw the word ETA and made it about an org called ETA instead of the common acronym ETA that stands for estimated time of arrival. Then they went down the rabbit hole to find anything in the teaser to further fuel their conspiracy theory about the ETA org to attack newjeans and their director min heejin.
This is very much a twitter thing and only in the english community, nobody outside of that bubble takes it seriously.

[deft pebble]

ohhh

[short ledge]

huge tinfoil

[vale sierra]

What they said isn't true tbh

Check pinned messages if you want the actual objective view of the situation

It's very much not an "only in the english community" thing

[ashen idol]

i mean its a tinfoil when the source of issue is from a 15 second video of a car driving down a road. yeah the names can be connected to the terrorist group but thats about it (even this is just an assumption). the date? the terrorist group was active on so many dates. why july 21st? why not july 14th when they killed 10 more people and injured 50 people

its just too early to say this or that but people are jumping to conclusion as always

[wise patio]

isnt the date 21st cuz then they get full tracking for billboard

[cerulean wagon]

yeah and it just lines up with their schedule. like to have the pre-release five days after bunnies camp and then a full release two weeks later. and then all of this followed by lolla in the first week of aug seems like a pretty typical promotion and comeback schedule.

like they're just spacing everything out to maximize the promotional impact of each individual activity

if they had pre-release this friday that would overshadow bunnies camp. if they had a full release on the 14th that wouldn't be a short enough time for the pre-release to make an impact. if they had a full release right on the 28th it would be too close to lolla for ppl to learn the songs and get hyped.

[wary crest]

Right

[mighty mesa]

Isn’t July 21 also their anniversary

[wary crest]

Yeah

Attention was released

Joined the server a day after attention 😝

[wary crest]

July 21st was when attention was released and that marks the beginning of newjeans

[mighty mesa]

Idk seems like a lot of confirmation bias

[wary crest]

And didn’t min heejin say that the debut album was a prologue for this album

A year later would make sense

They purposely choose their schedules I don’t think they’ll put a random date

[mighty mesa]

I’m pretty sure the names are like actors right

[wary crest]

Idk but they’re common names from Spain

[mighty mesa]

Yeah

[wary crest]

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8ej38Fm/

[mighty mesa]

Can’t really say anything until it fully releases

[wary crest]

Yeah and nobody should rlly be jumping to conclusions 👎🦶

[vale sierra]

They're not that common

Maria is, but Mikel and Eva aren't

Just so you get an idea, around 15% of the population in Spain is named Maria

Only about 0.05% of the population is called Mikel

And if you're Spanish and live in Spain, you'll know that Mikel isn't a name used in all of Spain, but actually only Basque country, the area where ETA is from

And only about 0.16% of people are named Eva

So, the odds that all 3 names related to ETA appear just like that are very low

And that is why we find it very weird, because they're not common names you'd find everyday like that. They're quite unique names, that when you see the word "ETA" and those names, any Spanish person will relate them, because they're not that common

Hence, Ador, please explain how that happened

[hybrid moat]

beautiful-basque-country on tumblr, found this on twitter

[vale sierra]

The first post is just bs Spanish politics that should be ignored

They're referring to one political party, that doesn't represent the majority of Spain, and they're making it seem like all of Spain is doing that

Or that, because we're saying this, we're somehow part of that political group. It's political nonsense.

The second post, the person acts like there aren't more or less famous people.

If I say "Jackson", you'll probably immediately think "Michael Jackson" or something similar.

The third post, I don't know what to say. Nobody is linking "everything Basque to ETA" afaik. Only the idiots from that one specific political party.

But see, this is the issue with mixing this with politics. People start arguing about that one political party and accusing people of being from that party, when it has absolutely nothing to do here

[muted mica]

I thought of Jackson Wang

[vale sierra]

I did too, tbh lmao

But like, yeah, you'll think of someone very famous

Not idk... This guy, who probably not that many people know lmao

[void saddle]

respect jaren jackson

[light sorrel]

So what, are a group of people from Korea probably with many that don't even speak english, much less spanish. Expected to know the political history of Spain? To the extent that the names Mikel, Eva and Maria together could be tied to a terrorist group that is practically unknown outside of the country? Three names that are relatively common and well-established?

The moment people made claims using a group like ETA, they have already made this political. It's disningenuous to constantly try and dismiss people's opinions for being "political" when talking about an established terrorist group.

If you want to remove politics from it, stop referring to the group as ETA or as terrorists. Just call them a group of murderers.

[vale sierra]

How many times am I going to repeat that the names are not common

And you are going to immediately repeat that they are common?

0.05% of the population is "common" to you?

25000 people.

[light sorrel]

Yes

That is common

[vale sierra]

My city, a very small one, has 180000 people

My city has almost 10 times the amount of people named Mikel

And it's not even a big city

It is not common

0.05% is not common

[vale sierra]

Anyone with common sense will recognize that terrorists are terrorists. Full stop.

Nothing to do with politics.

So, for the hundredth time, stop bringing up politics.

[light sorrel]

I clearly explained why that is ridiculous

[vale sierra]

And I've clearly explained the opposite

"clearly explaining" doesn't mean anything

This is not a political thread or discord server

This is a kpop server

And this is a thread about weird signs related to ETA popping up on a teaser

Not a thread about what political movement the group supported

[light sorrel]

You constantly make serious and severe claims relating to a terrorist organization but the moment anyone discusses the context and history behind it, you dismiss it as "politics". You're extremely bad-faith here

[vale sierra]

Rule 3. Keep channels on topic

[light sorrel]

This is a thread about the accusations that people are making about a NewJeans song being directly connected to a terrorist organization

[vale sierra]

Yup, exactly

It's not a thread about where on the political spectrum this organization is

And whether you think it's far-left, or far-right, or centrist, or whatever

I told you, bringing that up only causes arguments

And look at you. Arguing about it.

[light sorrel]

Discussing how implausible and ridiculous it would be for that to happen is on topic. You personally deciding it's not important and not wanting to listen means nothing

[vale sierra]

Arguing about whether the group is from what side of politics is not on topic

Because it has absolutely nothing to do with Newjeans

[light sorrel]

Yes, just like a terrorist organization has nothing to do with them

[vale sierra]

Well, the MV is called ETA and has those names + a car

So we question why that happened

[light sorrel]

coincidence

[vale sierra]

You're not Ador

[light sorrel]

Neither are you

[vale sierra]

You're the one answering on their behalf

I'm the one asking them a question

[light sorrel]

I'm just stating what is by far the most likely reason

and i wasnt answering for them

[vale sierra]

No, you've been trying to bring up politics several times

And I've told you not to, several times

Because it's completely unrelated and will only cause unrelated arguments

[light sorrel]

Because you keep using politics to dismiss people's opinions and then saying it shouldn't be discussed, wth

[vale sierra]

Why are you blatantly lying now?

You don't understand the context behind what the people in those screenshots said

It's purely political.

And I dismiss it because they're trying to accuse anyone who is concerned as someone who's part of that political group

Because it's a dumb accusation

Being concerned about this does not suddenly make you support one political party or another

And you bringing up whether the organization is from one side of another of politics is just making it about politics

[light sorrel]

Not nearly as dumb as accusing a group of Korean people using a separatist Spanish terrorist group as a theme for a Kpop comeback

[vale sierra]

Do you actually read what people say here?

Or are you purposefully trolling now?

[light sorrel]

You keep hiding behind "I'm just asking questions" to hide the fact that this is what 99% of people that keep trying to link NJ to this group are doing

The accusation is implied behind the question

Because otherwise why would it need to be questioned at all

[vale sierra]

I forgot that I'm suddenly the representative of everyone else

I must've missed my pay check

I don't remember being paid to represent that supposed "99%" of yours

If you have an issue with twitter people, go argue with those twitter people

[light sorrel]

You can't keep defending the ridiculous accusations on twitter and then try and pretend it's got nothing to do with you

[vale sierra]

Do not accuse me of saying what they are saying

[vale sierra]

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[vale sierra]

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[light sorrel]

.

[vale sierra]

.

Multiple times, throughout multiple days, I have condemned the idiocies people on twitter are claiming

You are blatantly lying, accusing me of false things that I have never said

You aren't looking to discuss this issue, you're just looking to argue

[light sorrel]

Because you turn everything into an argument

[vale sierra]

Me telling you the names are not common

And proving it with numbers

And you turning around and saying "they are"

Is not me turning it into an argument

[light sorrel]

25000 people inside Spain alone is a lot of people and what I would consider common

[vale sierra]

Me telling you politics should be avoided

And you bringing it up several times

Is not me turning it into an argument

It's you, looking to argue

And you've topped it off with accusing me of defending the stupidities of Twitter

When I've condemned it several times. In other words, you've lied.

If lying about that isn't a sign of you looking to argue, then I don't know what is.

[light sorrel]

You're just evading. You're doing your best not to be as aggressive as most on twitter but "Ador needs to answer me" whilst trying to argue why the song is connected a terrorist organization is not really any different

[vale sierra]

I'm doing my best not to be aggressive?

So now, I'm secretly aggressive?

@muted mica

[muted mica]

Damn it why am i the one called in here

Hey you two knock it off

[light sorrel]

I think it sums it up

[muted mica]

They aren't arguing the song is connected to a terrorist organization at all

[vale sierra]

Sorry, just this person is getting out of hand

[muted mica]

Danii is just trying to explain why Spanish people/people affected by/who know of ETA terrorist group are rightfully trying to get a response from ADOR about the similarities

[light sorrel]

I'm sorry, then what is even being discussed here then

[exotic kernel]

THE TEAAAAA

[jaunty wolf]

How do y’all not even know what you are debating about

[muted mica]

They're saying the reason is because of how Spanish people/people affected by/who know of ETA terrorist group react when they see the names along with the acronym ETA

[vale sierra]

If actually read what we say

[muted mica]

That's about it really

[vale sierra]

Rather than accusing me of defending the twitter craziness, you'd have understood by now

[exotic kernel]

im just here to watch

[vale sierra]

That's pretty much it

[muted mica]

No need to even argue about how "common" the names are etc. The main point is that's the connection that Spanish people/people affected by/who know of ETA terrorist when they see these similarities and why they want a response from ADOR

The people on Twitter, however, spread misinformation and are likely annoying little kids

[vale sierra]

Definitely

[jaunty wolf]

11 is fed up with y’all

[muted mica]

While I agree that just the accusation of stating that the connection exists is harmful and can hurt their brand, ADOR is the one responsible for clearing up the misunderstandings

[light sorrel]

Why try and debate people when they try and explain the names are most likely just a coincidence? An unfortunate coincidence that people can demand them to address but it's a coincidence nevertheless

[exotic kernel]

i like when things are questioned.

[vale sierra]

"Most likely" means there's a small chance it isn't a coincidence

Now you understand why we want it cleared up

[muted mica]

Coincidence or not, it's a connection that people affected make automatically upon seeing the similarities of the names.

Just like what Danii was saying earlier with the name Jackson and how I think of Jackson Wang

[exotic kernel]

now this true

[light sorrel]

I just said it's fine to ask for an answer. But Danii keeps @ ing people when they say it's a coincidence and proceeds to explain why it's not a coincidence?!?

[jaunty wolf]

😟

[muted mica]

Oh @ ing people where

[vale sierra]

Not sure

[exotic kernel]

12

[vale sierra]

Lately I've only been saying "the names aren't common" and "stop bringing up politics"

Cos that's what I've been seeing

[exotic kernel]

federal investigation

[jaunty wolf]

Yeah me to and my vision is pretty good

[muted mica]

Wait Danii are you saying that it's not possible that it's a coincidence? @vale sierra

That's what StrawberryJam just said in that message

[exotic kernel]

girl watchu think about this whole thing

[vale sierra]

I've said the probability of something like that happening randomly is actually quite low, but that it could still have been a coincidence

I think I said that yesterday

[jaunty wolf]

I think that people should just wait till somthing actually happens that’s related to it instead of people trying to make ppl think what they think. If that makes sense yk?

[muted mica]

Yeah but you should explain that clearly to StrawberryJam if that was something they were arguing with you about...

[vale sierra]

That wasn't what they were arguing with me about

[muted mica]

I was barely reading but I saw something about politics

[vale sierra]

With them it's mostly been about the politics thing

[light sorrel]

Lol no its not

[jaunty wolf]

😟

[muted mica]

Overall I think you two were just arguing about the Basque names and stuff

And arguing about whether the names could be a coincidence or not

[vale sierra]

Yeah, that was another one too

I've been repeating several times that the names aren't common

[exotic kernel]

MMMmmm

[vale sierra]

Cos people are using that reasoning to dismiss people's thought process

[exotic kernel]

i think ador should clear the air and make a statement

[vale sierra]

There aren't a million Mikels or Evas

Not even 100,000 of them

So there's not like we specifically chose one Mikel out of a million to remember

[jaunty wolf]

If I was a mom and y’all were my kids I would put you guys on opposite sides of the house and give you guys time outs

Bc this is getting out of hand

[muted mica]

I'm about to give you and regina both timeouts, why are you literally butting into this

[jaunty wolf]

Sorry sorry

[vale sierra]

[exotic kernel]

yea mb ill stop instigating

[light sorrel]

And when people say "the names are not common" in reply to a message explaining why the names are probably a coincidence... isn't that trying to argue the opposite?

[muted mica]

Not really arguing against the coincidence, but maybe Danii should just explain a bit more on why it's not a coincidence in the eyes of Spanish people/people affected by/people who know of ETA

Something like that I guess

[vale sierra]

Because the message just says "They're common"

Which is misinformation

[muted mica]

Oh okay in that case go off sis

[vale sierra]

And of course, I think, knowing what I know, I'll disprove that misinformation

[muted mica]

I think there was probably just a miscommunication between you two @light sorrel @vale sierra

Don't say anything antagonizing challenge starting now

[light sorrel]

We have somewhat different definitions of "common"

[muted mica]

Well then you will have to agree to disagree on that part

[vale sierra]

I mean, can I ask, are you from Spain? Do you live here?

[light sorrel]

No, I have lived there for 5 months but obviously I don't claim to know much about it. But the fact 25k people in a country share a name and I can name at least three people off the top of my head with that name leads me to deem it common. If it doesn't for you, it's fine.

[vale sierra]

Well, I've lived here my whole life

So, I can tell you, you won't find many Mikels outside of Basque country

Maybe a few in Catalonia

If all the Mikels lived in Bilbao, they wouldn't even represent 10% of the population in the city

And Spain has almost 200x the population of Bilbao

Knowing someone named Mikel doesn't make it common

I know someone named Adeluoye

I don't think I need to tell you it isn't a common name

[light sorrel]

I consider it common the same way I consider a name like Danielle common, obviously not as common a name as Elizabeth or something. But it's common enough especially compared to not well-established names

[vale sierra]

I'm combining my anecdotal experience, I've not personally met a Mikel anywhere outside of Basque country

With actual facts. Only 25 thousand people out of 47 million are called Mikel

That's 0.05%, that's not common

Danielle is MUCH more common, so is Elizabeth

[light sorrel]

I would consider 0.05% of the entire population as "common"

[vale sierra]

Well, not in Spain, because those are english names

But in the UK, I guess

0.05% means that 99.95% of people have a different name

Maria represents 15% of the population

And Jose represents 5% of the population

Those are common names

You'll find a Jose 5 out of 100 people you meet

[void saddle]

no cap i know like 5 jose's

[light sorrel]

0.07% of Americans are named Danielle

[muted mica]

Ngl this name statistics discussion is highly off-topic now, there is no end to this discussion. And the topic of the channel is mainly to discuss but not solely for:

• What is the controversy regarding NewJeans ETA and terrorism?
• Why are people making these connections?
• Are the rumors true?

Please take all other conversations such as this topic about how "common" names are, in DMs or in a different channel.

[vale sierra]

Thank you

Maybe pin?

[muted mica]

sure

[wise patio]

“We have filed several criminal complaints with law enforcement agencies against the authors and disseminators of malicious postings, based on evidence submitted by our fans as well as collected through our internal monitoring system.”

[maiden nimbus]

this doesn’t say much tbh

[cerulean wagon]

Yeah it really doesn’t and all hybe groups issue these statements like every half year or something

I wonder who the person caught was and what they posted 👀

for the tea

but that’s #off-topic I know

[quartz elbow]

wait who’s eva

[cerulean wagon]

I think the two suspected Eva’s circulating in the theories are Eva Forest and then the daughter of one of their early victims i don’t remember the last name tho lemme look.

It’s Eva Larrañaga I think

[quartz elbow]

ohh

wiat she’s the first victim or is she the DAUGHTER of the first victim?

i’ve been hearing both😭😭

[cerulean wagon]

No the first victim thing was misinformation she is neither I’m pre sure