ETA

[scenic narwhal]

im not trying to be rude but let’s be fr rn and not try to deny the truth

[opal belfry]

in this issue,they are all guesssing the name

[balmy dune]

yeah i get what you mean, but nothing is proven, yes there is speculation, but as we said it's a coincidence

i'll bring up my point again here

[tepid spruce]

Coincidences happen, and sometimes those coincidences are too good to be true.. but at the end of the day, we can't really know for sure...

[prisma knoll]

[balmy dune]

The names do kinda of seem worrying BUT they were filming in Spain/Portugal so it's 1000% possible that those are actors they hired from there. Someone did say Mikel is a rare name but honestly, ppl move around and take their culture with them, the internet exists, it's unlikely that that name would be used in ONLY one place in spain with the access to travel and info we have. I personally have met ppl named Maria and Eva.

[tepid spruce]

Yes names, symbols and all but.. nothing is really proven as some of us mention

[scenic narwhal]

it is proven

[tepid spruce]

Im sure korean authorities are secretly probing this

[balmy dune]

girl

[scenic narwhal]

it still doesn’t make sense why those names r even there and it’s weirder that the title is eta

[tepid spruce]

ETA is fine.. it's when the names are put there is where the fire started

[balmy dune]

i literally explained it

[balmy dune]

eta is literally a very common phrase

[scenic narwhal]

im talking abt the names

[balmy dune]

^^^ @scenic narwhal

[scenic narwhal]

ur telling me this is a coincidence?

[balmy dune]

yes

[scenic narwhal]

i literally just gave u evidence and ur still denying it

[balmy dune]

girl i can say some guy is named john and another bad person name is john, how are they linked?

[opal belfry]

when you searching on google the name Mikel, the most famous name are Mikel John Obi or Mikel Arteta lol

[balmy dune]

there's 8 billion ppl on earth 2 ppl can have the same name

[stable sparrow]

i’ve said it before on this thread, but they didn’t really use any random name. they specifically had mikel and maria, and it is known that mikel was a leader of eta and maria was his wife

so it’s not really that much of a coincidence and it seems pretty intentional

[scenic narwhal]

first off mikel isn’t even a common name and the name mikel is connected to eta

it’s just weird that those names SPECIFICALLY are used

[balmy dune]

i feel like you're not reading what i'm explaining, you just want to stick to your narrative

[scenic narwhal]

im sorry but it just seems like ur finding anyway to defend ador

[cerulean wagon]

It is speculation because the first names are not uncommon in Spain/basque region and there are plenty of normal people with those three names. There were thousands of people involved with ETA as victims and terrorists so it’s not a smoking gun that people with three normal first names can be linked to ETA. Like there were multiple mikels, multiple evas and multiple marias affiliated with ETA. There are also many people with those first names that never had anything to do with the org.

[gusty jacinth]

yeah people already have their minds decided.

they do, we do, everyone does

[balmy dune]

i definitely do not care about ador? it's not like they're paying me

[stable sparrow]

the usage of both words maria AND mikel are not coincidental especially when they’re linked to the organization

[scenic narwhal]

then why defend them

[balmy dune]

i care about misinformation

[scenic narwhal]

EXACTLY

there’s literal evidence

[stable sparrow]

it’s not maria and fkn jose

which are common af names

[scenic narwhal]

and that article was before new jeans used eta

[muted mica]

Why come to conclusions already instead of just waiting for the mv release

[balmy dune]

honestly

[scenic narwhal]

because there enough evidence to prove that this is intentional

ur honestly not taking this situation seriously

[opal belfry]

💀

[scenic narwhal]

this is very serious

[feral raptor]

well we cant do anything

[stable sparrow]

i’m not coming to any conclusion, but it’s weird af to me to say it’s all coincidental when the LEADER AND HIS WIFE are named mikel and maria and they are using ETA aka the organization

[feral raptor]

we really dont know what ador is thinking

[scenic narwhal]

maybe spread awareness??? ever though of that

[scenic narwhal]

EXACTLY

[opal belfry]

so tell me which eva is this ?

[balmy dune]

pls show me the leader and the wife thing i honestly wanna see it /gen

[scenic narwhal]

u rlly think ador or anything kpop company for that matter cares abt peoples feelings? they’ll do anything whether it’s offensive or not

[muted mica]

Put up your pitchforks WHEN it comes out that they’re actually referencing the terrorist group ETA, for now all we have is some short clip and a bunch of names, we literally don’t know what their real intentions are yet…

[scenic narwhal]

just shows u know absolutely nothing abt the situation

[cerulean wagon]

^^^ regardless of the people related to ETA

[balmy dune]

honestly dk how ppl got this from 7 seconds

[muted mica]

Nah the coincidence is really uncanny, but I don’t like how people are quick to persecute them when we haven’t even seen the real MV yet…

[stable sparrow]

also literally just google mikel eta and it pops up lmfao

[mighty vessel]

whats eta im so confusedz??

[feral raptor]

pinned

[scenic narwhal]

the names with eachother is weird and also the name being eta NOT A COINCIDENCE

[sage dragon]

Hey all, before anything escalates. There's evidence on what you all are researching yes, but do these two evidences are linked to each other? Yes and No at the same time, the evidence of a terrorist group is factual but ask yourself this? Do they need to link themselves to Ador and NewJeans? And should Ador or NewJeans link themselves to a Terrorist group? Both sides are trying to say that they are linked but in reality people just trying to say something so they can have a discussion.

[balmy dune]

ETA has been used for years as an abbreviation dear god 😭

[scenic narwhal]

AGAIN NOT TALKING ABT ETA ONLY IM TALKING ABT THE NAMES BEING CONNECTED WITH ETA

please read before typing

[stable sparrow]

if it was just eta it’s whatever but the usage of the name does relate it to the organization

which is why there’s even an issue

[scenic narwhal]

considering how ignorant korea can be they definitely don’t care

[muted mica]

ADOR themselves already clarified that ETA = Estimated Time of Arrival, the only thing we don’t know is what/why the names are what they are AND the real theme of the MV

[scenic narwhal]

literally what i’m saying

[feral raptor]

they shoot the mv in spain/portugal there might be some connection to the names but we dont know anything yet

[tepid spruce]

Like i said.. NIS would be on their tail if this is really a link, well... uh.. hefty punishment

[scenic narwhal]

the mv being in spain makes all of these 1000 times worse

[opal belfry]

nobody know if it is in spain

[balmy dune]

yeah i'm not gonna explain again it seems that somehow y'all think a group in spain that literally no one outside of that area knew until now, is somehow linked to a group of teenagers singing pop songs all the way in korea. which in my mind does not seem plausible at all, but to each their own

[feral raptor]

no it means they used the common names in spain

[mighty vessel]

I think ETA can have a differnt meaning but we dont know yet

[muted mica]

Something different than what ADOR already stated?

[scenic narwhal]

mikel is not a common name in spain

[gusty jacinth]

huh if nothing was leaked would there be something like this

[prisma knoll]

[balmy dune]

bro just watching 😭

[stable sparrow]

yeah i’m not gonna keep explaining to you the same shit over and over again you have tunnel vision you believe whatever you want

[muted mica]

Hey let’s start a poll

[grizzled coyote]

Please never be a detective

[scenic narwhal]

i think because spain bunnies were talking abt it that’s why it got attention

[mighty vessel]

not sure

[scenic narwhal]

since ur so smart how is this not intentional

[balmy dune]

i dont have tunnel vision, im think in a way that makes sense because one of these ppl that you're harming is literally a child, they may seem like just celebrities to you, but they are real hman beings so please be calm and rational, i dont get why you need to swear

[scenic narwhal]

we’re not in a fcking murder case

[wise patio]

look at me. do you think any company would use terrorism as a concept, lets be real for a moment.
having these heated convos when all we got is 3 names that got cherrypicked from a wikipedia article

[stable sparrow]

i’m not harming ANYBODY so for you to imply that is crazy to me

[muted mica]

Are newjeans a metal rock band

Oops replied to wrong message

[sage dragon]

Actually the name Mikel is German

[stable sparrow]

never did i say anything against newjeans or ador EVER

[scenic narwhal]

we’ll groups have had photoshoots at the holocaust museum so do u rlly think they care

[stable sparrow]

so don’t assume and put words in my mouth to fit your narrative

[balmy dune]

it's a byproduct not saying that ur saying it

[scenic narwhal]

i got it from articles not wikipedia

[sage dragon]

So it might not be even be what you all think

[scenic narwhal]

the name mikel is connected to eta

so is eva and maria

[muted mica]

Are all people named mikel a part of eta

[balmy dune]

names have so much culture behind them, it's never as simple as two ppl have the same name so yeah

[scenic narwhal]

do u hear how u sound?

[wise patio]

you are gonna have such a hard time when the mv comes out and its just girls having fun

[stable sparrow]

if you think that not immediately agreeing with everything ador does and says it means i’m ‘harming’ the girls then you have serious issues

[worthy temple]

hey why does eta relate to nj?

[sage dragon]

Yes that's your statement, but again that's what you researched. But did you research who are behind the song composition and lyricist of ETA?

[feral raptor]

https://twitter.com/shantuiworld/status/1673127097512886274?t=e8g5ik7orF6vxZSxIKtQtw&s=19

zero 👹 应许之地 (@shantuiworld)

a small analysis of new jeans' controverted new comeback title from the pov of a basque studies undergraduate and a basque born person — thread [PART 1/2]

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Twitter · Jun 26, 2023, 12:32 AM

[muted mica]

I’m typing, how can I make a sound

[scenic narwhal]

i meant that there’s a connected to mikel and eta

[worthy temple]

its not apart of the album right

[feral raptor]

try to read this

[balmy dune]

i could care less what ador does i'm just listening to the music 😭

[grizzled coyote]

I didn’t say it wasn’t intentional, but it is usually a good idea to not jump to any conclusion until you’ve heard all sides of a story. It is almost never beneficial to tunnel vision on something specific bc the first two dots connected

[feral raptor]

its been created by spanish tokkis

[scenic narwhal]

so u clearly don’t understand how the internet works

[muted mica]

Hey wth rude

[stable sparrow]

i don’t care, you don’t get to come at me and say i’m harming the girls just because i don’t agree with you

[scenic narwhal]

eta is a terrorist group what r u talking abt

[stable sparrow]

in fact you’re saying that about MULTIPLE PEOPLE who aren’t agreeing with you as a result

[sage dragon]

We already know who ETA is but again this is a song...

[scenic narwhal]

do u actually believe companies bcz they do stuff like this and don’t care

[balmy dune]

as i said, it's a byproduct, ppl are crazy, they take things out of proportion, spreading stuff like this isn't very helpful when it's not definitive

[wise patio]

it's like listening to flat earthers

[scenic narwhal]

again it’s weird that everything in that teaser is connected to the terrorist group

[stable sparrow]

i don’t care don’t say that to me because it’s not true, keep it to yourself.

[balmy dune]

BYEEEEE 😭

[feral raptor]

time to listen Justin Bieber ETA

[balmy dune]

goated song

[scenic narwhal]

why r u comparing a myth to something that’s actually real

[gusty jacinth]

kozu ETA is track # 3 of NewJeans' 2nd mini album titled Get Up

[muted mica]

If ETA MV ends up being about terrorists i will ban @lunar lance

[sage dragon]

Are you trying to say that NewJeans will sing about 3 people who killed thousand of people and their name is ETA, but then the lyrics is all about TIME.

[wise patio]

lol

[worthy temple]

ohh ic thanks

[scenic narwhal]

ur finding every way to defend ur favs and this is a reason why ppl don’t like kpop fans

[balmy dune]

bruh if that's the case just delete the whole server 💀

[balmy dune]

i'm not even a kpop fan that's the funny part of ur sentence

[scenic narwhal]

im not talking abt the song lyrics im talking abt the names being connected to the terrorist group

[scenic narwhal]

if u stan new jeans u r

[balmy dune]

1 group out of so many lol

[feral raptor]

https://twitter.com/shantuiworld/status/1673127097512886274?t=e8g5ik7orF6vxZSxIKtQtw&s=19

zero 👹 应许之地 (@shantuiworld)

a small analysis of new jeans' controverted new comeback title from the pov of a basque studies undergraduate and a basque born person — thread [PART 1/2]

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Twitter · Jun 26, 2023, 12:32 AM

hey read this

[sage dragon]

As I said, you already explained that and trying to push it as a discussion because you can't believe that they are connected.

[feral raptor]

its from spanish tokkis

[balmy dune]

just pin it honestly

[scenic narwhal]

still a kpop fan because new jeans r a kpop group it’s common sense

[scenic narwhal]

did u even read what i said

[balmy dune]

fr they're denying actual spanish ppls explanations

that's what my info is based on, that thread and other spanish tokkis talking about it

[sage dragon]

Did you even stop to consider that they don't connect at all but you're the only one trying to?

[wise patio]

nonbelievers vs truthers

[scenic narwhal]

just seems like ur trying to defend new jeans in every possible way and im not buying it

[muted mica]

Defending them from what

[balmy dune]

it seems like you don't like newjeans? is that the case or are you just upset from this speculation?

[sage dragon]

Lmao I'm talking about your observation skills about the names being part of a terrorist group and because it's the same names under the song ETA, they are suddenly connected.

[stable sparrow]

they have never said anything against newjeans

you keep trying to make ppl who see the link look like they hate newjeans lol

[hybrid moat]

i think it should be taking in consideration that on twitter spanish locals clowning this whole situation https://twitter.com/itglobalgirl/status/1673097531499200512

Bossbitch (@itglobalgirl)

For Spanish people, ETA is not a game, they killed millions of people and all the things related here with those assassins makes me want to vomit, terrorism is not a game, respect the families and the victims.

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[balmy dune]

the language ppl use is aggresive so it's hard to tell

[hybrid moat]

read the qrts

[hybrid moat]

example

[scenic narwhal]

woah woah woah im literally a new jeans fan but i don’t defend idols when they do problematic stuff im not abt to defend new jeans just because i stan them

[stable sparrow]

ok so they didn’t do anything problematic

[wise patio]

so what did they do
list it

[stable sparrow]

it’s not the girls fault if there is any fault

[balmy dune]

and also it's not their fault? they're literally teens? hold the company accountable?

[muted mica]

What problematic thing did they do

[scenic narwhal]

so ur using what spanish new jeans fans said knowing that of course their new jeans fans so they’re most likely going to defend new jeans

[wise patio]

give me a list

[scenic narwhal]

im talking abt the company

[balmy dune]

why would they defend terrorism in their own country?

[muted mica]

We don’t even know what Mikel, Maria, and Eva’s role in the ETA MV are

[balmy dune]

bro pulled the "oh so you read? name every book" line 😭

[scenic narwhal]

they most likely assume that the eta new jeans r using isn’t linked to the terrorist group in order to defend new jeans

do u not know how fans work

[muted mica]

Are you part of the production crew for the ETA MV @scenic narwhal you seem to have some insider info we don’t know about

[wise patio]

frr i did

[scenic narwhal]

so ur trying to act dumb now

[muted mica]

Act dumb about what

[balmy dune]

?????

[hybrid moat]

honestly, it seems like @scenic narwhal is just a troll at this point

[muted mica]

We literally don’t know the context of the ETA MV or the song or anything yet…

[lunar lance]

[muted mica]

Yet you draw the conclusion already that it’s a terrorist concept…

Name every terrorist concept in kpop @scenic narwhal

[balmy dune]

they've been in the server a while so i dont think so, they have a right to be upset

[scenic narwhal]

not a troll bcz i’ve been listening to new jeans ever since they debuted plus im a new jeans fan but OF COURSE because i take situations seriously IM the troll cool cool

[muted mica]

[wise patio]

ur mom gonna be so disappointed when the mv comes out

[scenic narwhal]

didn’t say that ur putting words into my mouth and u sound fcking stupid doing it too

[sage dragon]

What I don't get is why are we still trying to connect the two dots, yes the name of the song and names under the song title are suddenly the same names of a terrorist group and such. But as a company who started last year, would they really put their money maker as a topic of hate? And don't yall consider you got 3 members who can speak English really well, if the song is not good would the members even go with their album at all.

[hybrid moat]

bro how about you relax and just wait till july 1st

[scenic narwhal]

never said it was a terrorist concept i was just saying why tf are those names there and it’s weird that those names r associated with eta

[balmy dune]

The phrase "correlation does not imply causation" refers to the inability to legitimately deduce a cause-and-effect relationship between two events or variables solely on the basis of an observed association or correlation between them.

[lunar lance]

why are we talking about terrorism can someone fill me in

[stable sparrow]

i mean it’s not hard to connect them that’s my whole point 💀

[muted mica]

How am I putting words in your mouth, aren’t you the one saying that the ETA MV is referencing the ETA terrorist group…

[balmy dune]

pinned

[lunar lance]

[scenic narwhal]

how abt u grow up and realize that not every company has good intentions

[stable sparrow]

acting like ppl are going to extreme lengths to connect them but not really??

[lunar lance]

yall are tripping if u think they meant that

lol take ur meds

[scenic narwhal]

u don’t even know what we’re talking abt

[balmy dune]

no company has good intentions, they all want money ? they dont benefit from ppl thinking they are supporting terrorism

[wise patio]

lol

[balmy dune]

😭

[lunar lance]

[opal belfry]

company are greedy, nobody in their right mind would do something that gonna cost them millions $

[balmy dune]

fr like????

[stable sparrow]

no offense, but if this person said that everyone would be hammering at them

[wise patio]

it's just business suicide

[hybrid moat]

oh wow, thank you for such profound wisdom. care to tell more?

[stable sparrow]

so i find that to be unfair

[scenic narwhal]

so u know how uneducated kpop companies are?? are u like new to kpop???

[balmy dune]

actually yes i am

[opal belfry]

I mean using terrorism ...,they gonna lose brand deal, etc ...

[balmy dune]

oh sorry i was agreeing with you lol 😭

[errant abyss]

i’m gonna post it here

[opal belfry]

you are use the wrong fact

[balmy dune]

wikipedia article as proof lol

[opal belfry]

EVA is not their first victim

[wise patio]

gosh

[opal belfry]

that why there are no consistent narrative

[stable sparrow]

i mean a twitter thread was linked

[feral raptor]

theres no right or wrong in this whole conversation everyone has their own opinion, as of now we can just do is to wait for ador to release a statement or at least wait for the mv to be released

[balmy dune]

true

[stable sparrow]

💀

let’s keep it fair both ways thanks it’s a little biased

[balmy dune]

twitter thread as proof is worse 😭

[scenic narwhal]

so kpop companies have done cultural appropriation, anti semitism, blackface, mockery of cultures, have used mosque and disrespected multiples religions and they did not care abt ruining their reputation

[hybrid moat]

"with proof"

[wise patio]

how about you all wait for the mv and see it for urself

[cosmic breach]

Twitter is so degen

[balmy dune]

oh i know about all that and some of those situations actually do effect me, but in this case it's simply a misunderstanding

[scenic narwhal]

the second photo is so true EVERYONES ASSUMING THAT IM HATING BCZ IM NOT DEFENDING THEM

[balmy dune]

[cosmic breach]

twitter is the worst place you can go to to interact with others without seeing anything problematic

[muted mica]

I will once again repeat that we literally don’t know anything contextual-wise about the MV or song for ETA yet aside from ADOR tweeting that ETA = Estimated Time of Arrival…

Just wait for the MV…

[scenic narwhal]

again just seems like ur completely ignoring how serious this situation is and just painting it as a misunderstanding

[cosmic breach]

That app is full off bs

[sage dragon]

It's not only kpop companies, even jpop companies or all around the world who uses music to instigate their propaganda will be doing the same thing.

[muted mica]

[balmy dune]

it would be serious..... if it was true......

[scenic narwhal]

im specifically talking about kpop companies

[stable sparrow]

yea imma just wait i know it will have nothing to do w any of this, i just think they’re using all this to get press zzzzz

[scenic narwhal]

umm idk maybe because it’s most likely true

[errant abyss]

they’re spreading the wrong info right… 😧😧

[hybrid moat]

when eva, maria and mikel will turn out to be some random spanish kids 😭

[cosmic breach]

If its from twitter its bs

[balmy dune]

i'm not sitting here making jokes about it ? i'm just trynna inform and educate

[hybrid moat]

yeah

[sage dragon]

Well you specifically don't like kpop companies then?

[cosmic breach]

all these accounts from twitter always want to make everything problematic anything kpop related

[stable sparrow]

yeah but you also said that people who found issue with it were harming the girls so you’re doing more than just ‘educating’

[muted mica]

Nah we never know

[scenic narwhal]

well aren’t we talking abt a kpop group so why tf am i going to talk about jpop

[balmy dune]

i said some, not everyone

[lunar lance]

please dont ban me if its real eleven

[stable sparrow]

you said me straight up zzzzz

[scenic narwhal]

ur rlly the only person that actually has a brain here

[muted mica]

Your days are numbered if its real Jay

[cosmic breach]

Nice knowing you jay

[stable sparrow]

snoozefest

[sage dragon]

I'm just asking lmao, but here's the thing. Who is your favorite music artist that is not kpop?

[prisma knoll]

[balmy dune]

very mature, instead of talking about it rationally 💀

[errant abyss]

who even are they

[scenic narwhal]

why r u asking

[short ledge]

whats the buzz

[balmy dune]

dont ask bruh 😭 run while you can (check pinned if u wanna know tho)

[wise patio]

just because not all agrees

[hybrid moat]

i'm thinking actors, since the trailer says "starring", but we have to wait and see till the mv come out

[opal belfry]

or we actually thinking like normal human being

[scenic narwhal]

no it’s bcz ur getting super defensive for new jeans

[balmy dune]

fr like it's so obviously there

[stable sparrow]

you definitely were disrespectful to me but ok

[short ledge]

in 2023 every name will resemble something

[scenic narwhal]

no ur not

[balmy dune]

cause you started swearing at me for what

[wise patio]

arguments have 2 sides ur mom.

[opal belfry]

lol

[balmy dune]

but that's off topic so whatever

[scenic narwhal]

actors in mvs r never featured in songs unless they sing in them

[sage dragon]

Well what if your favorite artist not a kpop group, has the same song as ETA and also has the same names under the song? Would you still connect them both? But they also said there's no correlation to each other at all?

[scenic narwhal]

random actors aren’t going to be mentioned in a song

[errant abyss]

ARE WE JUST FIGHTING HERE OR WHAT

[cosmic breach]

basically

[hybrid moat]

only babies with the names like X Æ A-Xii are safe

[stable sparrow]

i said shit that’s not swearing at you but ok 💀

[scenic narwhal]

im not stupid i know eta has another meaning

[cosmic breach]

Idek what this is anymore lol

[balmy dune]

it's ending up as a fight cause some ppl are aggressive while others aren't

[feral raptor]

oh they mentioned in their comeback news that they will be having collaboration with different actors

its a surprise for now

[scenic narwhal]

they never mentioned that

[sage dragon]

I didn't say you were, I'm asking you if you would connect the two.

[balmy dune]

"special guests" or soemthing

[stable sparrow]

actually, i said that after you called me harmful so i have a right to be upset

[hybrid moat]

i think if they would sing, then the trailer would say feat? and not starring

[scenic narwhal]

only if they use specific words that are associated with the terrorist group

[feral raptor]

fr?

[wise patio]

they did. it's official

[prisma knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/hermano-vs-hermano-saiyan-fighting-goku-dbz-gif-16607579

[feral raptor]

did u even read the comeback news

[cosmic breach]

based on those replies prob not

[muted mica]

It’s probably Mikel Arteta fr

[wise patio]

what a tokki ; )

[opal belfry]

the mv is not even out and we don't even know where this mv is shoot ...

[scenic narwhal]

there’s no artists that have those names random people aren’t going to be featured in a song and for collaborations most likely musical artists or brands

[opal belfry]

just rumour in Spain and Por

[errant abyss]

[cosmic breach]

Portugal

[sage dragon]

And what specific words would that connect to each other when I asked you if another singer has a song named ETA and also has singer or guest names of the 3 mentioned?

[feral raptor]

what if theyre not random people

we dont know all the actors around the world

[balmy dune]

if they were randoms, the names wouldn't even need to be highlighted lol

[feral raptor]

or what is their current position

[wise patio]

there used to be a spoilers thread. it got deleted?

[scenic narwhal]

most likely will never happen becaus if u have LOGIC and ur not dumb u would know that

[errant abyss]

fr i only know ( i’m not saying it it’s gonna be off topic all at costs )

[stable sparrow]

calling them dumb is a bit much 😭

[gusty jacinth]

#1106751912075858041 still here

[wise patio]

thankie

[sage dragon]

You're the one who wanted to connect them both and now you can't even answer my simple question lmao

[scenic narwhal]

if u act like it

[scenic narwhal]

ur question is straight up stupidity and ur asking a question abt something that will most likely not happen

[errant abyss]

are we just starting a war

because the word opinion exists 😧

[muted mica]

Nah that person is smart

[hybrid moat]

why are you so aggressive, relax

[wise patio]

ur mom out here insulting

[balmy dune]

opinion doesn't exist apparently, there's only right and wrong no grey area 😭

[sage dragon]

So just because a kpop company used the word ETA first and then has 3 names associated with a terrorist group is not possible for another company to do first?

[stable sparrow]

cannot wait for july first

[errant abyss]

and fact that’s it

[stable sparrow]

[muted mica]

They’re getting angry and calling people stupid so they can get their msg count up

[wise patio]

lol

[feral raptor]

atm they cant reply here, they got timedout we dont tolerate being rude here

[balmy dune]

but in this case it actually is a matter of fact and fake

[feral raptor]

lets respect opinions of others

dont be rude

[stable sparrow]

yeah exactly

[short ledge]

but the shorts has a car! the organisation also probably drove a car at some point

[sage dragon]

All terrorist groups use cars and planes to kill people, they are not exempted.

[muted mica]

Idk about driving but they definitely exploded a bunch of em

[balmy dune]

i knwo ur saying this but they're actually notorious for car b0mbings 😭

[muted mica]

Why would you type “lol” in that sentence…

[balmy dune]

lighten the tone of it, i'm not making a joke

just how i type messages

[opal belfry]

the only speculation people use are the name, the car and the date is kind of reaching ...

[balmy dune]

force of habit really

[stable sparrow]

well the song gonna be banger at least

[muted mica]

How hard is it to wait until the MV comes out to become outraged

[stable sparrow]

ok eleven i’ll wait

[muted mica]

Thank you toast

[stable sparrow]

waiting july 1

[muted mica]

[stable sparrow]

[feral raptor]

anyway vote youngseo

oh wrong channel

[opal belfry]

july 21 actually

[muted mica]

anyway vote himena

[errant abyss]

that’s offtopic

[stable sparrow]

who lied to me

[feral raptor]

they will perform eta in july 1

but the album release will be on july 21

[stable sparrow]

anyways vote haruka

[opal belfry]

I thought the mv is the quesiton thouhg

[feral raptor]

real

[muted mica]

That’s true

[balmy dune]

wait fr?

[feral raptor]

yes in bunnies camp

[sage dragon]

I still like my question to be answered though, they trying to get kpop as an industry that is not taking responsibility for its hiccups but they actually do. But what I'm trying to make the other person understand is that it's not only kpop, it's all. But again this topic wouldn't even happen if a non kpop group started it.

[feral raptor]

https://twitter.com/NewJeans_ADOR/status/1673140484813000704

NewJeans (@NewJeans_ADOR)

ETA (Estimated Time of Arrival)

Fight No. NJ721
Destination : SK Olympic Handball Gymnasium
ETA : 7/1 18:00 & 7/2 17:00
Status : On Time

#NewJeans #뉴진스
#NewJeans_ETA #NewJeans_GetUp
#Bunnies_Camp #ETA_Stage
#Time_to_NewJeans

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Twitter · Jun 26, 2023, 1:25 AM

here

[balmy dune]

oh shit

[feral raptor]

ETA_Stage

[balmy dune]

i didnt read that 😭

[muted mica]

No this topic would still happen

[gusty jacinth]

wheres my #ASAP_Stage

[balmy dune]

they know everyone is hyped for it they're not gonna show us 💀

[feral raptor]

btw ETA has rap

for the first time

[balmy dune]

bro where are you getting this info

[cosmic breach]

minji rap again

[hybrid moat]

will we have to wait till the mv come out bc i know ppl would still ride this hate wave till the end

[feral raptor]

articles lol

[cosmic breach]

[balmy dune]

[gusty jacinth]

i hope all of them participate, like the chaos in phoning gc

[sage dragon]

Of course it will but not to this extent lol, what if Bruno Mars has this song ETA feat. Mikel, blah blah blah. Then boom they all Filipino's lol.

[cosmic breach]

haerin would be the "situation" one

[wise patio]

about the 3 names:
check the mv leaks thread
there is a post at 05/15/2023 5:06 AM
it's simply their name in a story MV.
but im gonna write this down for when the mv comes out

[gusty jacinth]

link pls too tired to scroll

[muted mica]

It depends though, did Bruno Mars film the MV in Portugal and was he driving a car

[sage dragon]

It doesn't need to be in a specific place, but the car can happen in the mv.

[jaunty wolf]

Sum 1 explain to me what’s going now with ETA

[keen thorn]

pinned

[jaunty wolf]

thank

[keen thorn]

[muted mica]

thanks honeybun

[keen thorn]

[balmy dune]

i've tried to explain the 3 names in as logical way as i could but honestly that's the only thing giving the t3rrorist argument any leverage lol so idk any more

[errant abyss]

BYE

[jaunty wolf]

I thought the names were biblical in another language

[stable sparrow]

stop

[feral raptor]

maria eva is biblical

[stable sparrow]

*marriage

[spark void]

:wedding: You have been married to Adamfor 280 days

[stable sparrow]

stop eleven

[balmy dune]

drama 😳

[muted mica]

[feral raptor]

wth dia is typing here

scary

[sage dragon]

Wait was the names dotted after another?

[wise patio]

[hybrid moat]

even without all of the controversy, i'm so curious about the storyline in ETA. 'starring newjeans eva maria mikel' reminds me of when ador said "newjeans 6" in ditto's teaser

[sage dragon]

Mikel. Maria. Eva.

Or just one word as Mikel Maria Eva.

Maybe it's a full name

[jaunty wolf]

Maybe

[wise patio]

nah

[feral raptor]

Mikel/ Maria/ Eva/

[jaunty wolf]

Oh Yeha I forgot ab lines

[sage dragon]

Oh okay, didn't notice

Usually if it's an artist, it's feat. Mikel. Then feat. Maria

But if it's just like that then 3 random people

[jaunty wolf]

But why would ador do all of this (if it was true) what would be there main goal

[lapis gulch]

Her innocence essentially

Oh wow I replied to a very very old message lol

It’s just so delusional I can’t even lol

Wasn’t the video filed in Portugal as well not even spain

Someone said Portugal on Reddit and debunked some other stuff

Ok also let’s talk about ASAP and OMG. We like acronyms ok. It’s very relevant to the times

[muted mica]

The only “logical” explanation IF they actually intended to do that is to lose all of their brand deals, tank their public perception, and probably end their company ig

[lapis gulch]

No they think she’s just a insane creative genius who is willing to do that lol

It’s simply the craziest thing to witness blowing up in real time

It makes me think everyone’s crazy sometimes

[balmy dune]

fr they'll lose everything lmao, companies will drop them so fast

[lapis gulch]

For real

[muted mica]

Dolphiners wouldn’t do something like this

Where’s Dolphiners at

[lapis gulch]

Noise marketing is like …having everyone in a city wear shirts with a mysterious logo that takes you to a website

Or IDK. It’s not that though lol

[balmy dune]

scared dia off

[digital spade]

????????

[balmy dune]

woah

[jaunty wolf]

LMAU

[balmy dune]

how in the hell

[lapis gulch]

I just can’t wait until the music drops and everyone gets why it’s called ETA

But they will dig up something new inthe video to throw hate on

[balmy dune]

we all know already why it's called ETA lol

[lapis gulch]

I’ve already heard people referring to the concept as Chobits and if that gets spread around I’ll be so annoyed

[balmy dune]

idk how it started

[lapis gulch]

That anime had a…questionable part of if

[balmy dune]

it's crazy btw many ppl have deleted their tweets for some reason? even though the comments were agreeing with them 👀

[lapis gulch]

I mean the sane people know what ETA is. But the delusional people claim it’s the terror cell noise marketing lol

I’d like to see people drop it when it comes out

[balmy dune]

they'll forget in a week trust 😭

that's what always happens

[lapis gulch]

I thought it’s weird how everyone jumped on cookie

[balmy dune]

99% of ppl will forget and like 1% will remember

[lapis gulch]

Like ok pervs

Maybe it’s you that’s the problem you cookie haters lol

[balmy dune]

||(ummmm i thought the cookie criticism was valid, but i still like the song )||

[lapis gulch]

Yeah and that 1% will just recycle it until the next weird crazy thing comes out lol

[jaunty wolf]

Same tbh

[hybrid moat]

yeah, and if we're following the reasoning that its noise marketing, then.. why newjeans, out of all kpop groups, would need to use such tactics? 😭 they're already very famous, they don't need noise marketing

[balmy dune]

newjeans are literally so popular rn it makes 0 sense fr

[lapis gulch]

That’s ok I’m not here to say your wrong or anything

[hybrid moat]

my god it was wild, i have ptsd fr

[lapis gulch]

I just didn’t see it myself ❤️

[tepid spruce]

Innocent till proven guilty, i think that's how i can descrbe tbis situation...

[lapis gulch]

But I felt maybe some people might use anything as a spring board. Though people do have some concerns there…and definitely more valid than …ETA

[balmy dune]

if you listen to a lot of english music, you kinda see it, reminded me of how weird young justin bieber's lyrics were for a 13 yo to sing 💀

[lapis gulch]

at least we can prob all agree on ETA lol

🙂

[balmy dune]

there's quite a divide surprisingly

[lapis gulch]

My line of thinking is it’s a Korean song. I’m not sure how it was received there as I am American

[balmy dune]

ppl cant say im defending the song cause i literally hate the teaser. 😭

[lapis gulch]

But my impression was it was western fans who found issue ? Mayer that’s because I was on Reddit lol

[hybrid moat]

imo the cookie situation is why i personally believe that ADOR won't use ETA in the same sense. they got burned pretty badly

[balmy dune]

yeah ur right lol (western fans e.g. me)

[lapis gulch]

But I don’t hang out on actually Korean news sites so my news is…well

Translated for one lol

[jaunty wolf]

I wanna say sm mean but I won’t

[balmy dune]

dont say mean stuff smh

[jaunty wolf]

Not ab y’all ab this situation

[lapis gulch]

Use different words but express your idea lol

[balmy dune]

even without that situation this is just a crazy thing to link

[grizzled coyote]

Most western fans went “oh ETA, estimated time of arrival”

[hybrid moat]

yeah, kpop idols have sung cookie left and right. korean themselves were confused why the western fans are outraged

[balmy dune]

cause it's not something easily brushed off it's very serious

[hybrid moat]

yeah

[lapis gulch]

I think if we are all respectful and polite it’s fine to share

[prisma knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/cocky-justin-beiber-hair-flip-gif-5405145

[lapis gulch]

That’s my take though

[balmy dune]

yeah it got a bit heated earlier and once one person gets heated everyone starts gettting heated

[lapis gulch]

I can’t believe he’s only been around for like 12 years. It feels like 25

Like the biebs feels like he’s always just been there lol

[prisma knoll]

Not going to lie, I thought he was 12 back in 2010, but he was like 16. He looked so young, I also didn’t really mess with him until Purpose.

[lapis gulch]

I’m a squirrel lol sorry

You guys know when we’ll get the album preview for what the album will look like

[tepid spruce]

If i could put it in a law perspective, there maybe evidence against a person that he did some serious stuff - he was there when it happened, at the right time and no one else was there; he gets detained and sent for trial in court - the police found a possible suspect through evidence, but at the end of the day it's the justice system that will determine if the person's guilty or not. Same for ETA, we accused it of trying to relate a terror group but at the end of the we don't know if they reslly did it deliberately or not - potential suspects get interrogated for a reason; to get them to confess.

I sound like im rambling and may have wrong information but here is my perspective. Tmi and tl;dr ://

[lapis gulch]

I’m curious about the bag but also the regular power puff version

[quartz elbow]

😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

[lapis gulch]

It’s just not a lot of facts to draw on and the fact that others songs are acronyms almost make it seem like it’s apart of their teen fresh brand

It’s like how you text lol

Also they regularly film in Spain

[balmy dune]

btw go to newjeans chat there's stuff there

[lapis gulch]

I’m excited to see their video thooooo

Side note the girls look insane

💅🥳

[tepid spruce]

Agreedd

[unborn oracle]

No, there isn't any "conincidence". ETA stands for estimated time of arrival and the actor names are Spanish names because the MV is filmed in Spain.
If you choose to make up a conspiracy theory over the most sensible and logical explanation, that's on YOU. Nobody has to be held accountable for YOUR stories but YOU, and certainly not ADOR or NEWJEANS.

[sage dragon]

Also no one at all ever thought of the whole album like this, when the album details went out right and they explained it at the very beginning that this album is associated with "time with newjeans" which is why all the song names are associated with time, but don't forget about Powerpuff girls. They are also associated with time because of the collab and 25 year celebration that includes newjeans as their first collaboration ever with a kpop group.

So this explanation literally removes them from any rumors or connections to whatever you want them to be connected.

Now I need someone to deny this because this is from Ador lol, and if you deny this fact. Please explain.

[valid vessel]

I don't think it's just the coincidences itself but also MHJ's past actions with how she markets her groups for publicity

[light sorrel]

Personally this whole situation has just further cemented my views that there are just an extreme cohort of people that love to demonize, condemn and attribute the most uncharitable takes on NJ and MHJ. Like this is literally the moon landing never happened levels of conspiracy

[balmy dune]

I think the MHJ allegations are valid doesn't she have a history of controversial activity?

[light sorrel]

You only think so because people have been slandering her since NJ's debut, I don't think she's a saint but the way people have been attacking her is honestly just insane considering all the allegations have no evidence at all beyond her using Brooke Shields as inspiration

[valid vessel]

I mean if I am being honest I'm not surprised. I get people's points about the whole "why would ADOR market terrorism" scheme but at the same time who would blatantly admit to doing that sort of thing? That's what marketing is all about, scheming and planning ahead of time and putting yourself between fine lines that nobody else will bother to read.

It seems like it's just some situation garnered to create buzz for the girls. People tend to do that. MHJ has a very deep past with controversial concepts. Any surface-level website such as Reddit or Quora would allow you some insight into those situations--who knows? Everything she has done in her career has lead up to this point. You can only be involved in so much controversy before people start to go against you, and yes--that is wrongfully affecting people's perception of NewJeans. Support the girls as individuals as well.

It's not as blatant, but things can have a double meaning. That's what art is all about. Min Heejin is an artist.. Which is why so many people have mixed feelings on this situation.

Who is even sure that the girls themselves are aware of their company's actions TBH

[light sorrel]

"Any surface-level website such as Reddit or Quora would allow you some insight into those situations" - Once again, any actual search will show you it's just the same baseless allegations repeated ad nauseum to the point that people think it's true. It's so depressing to see this kind of slander working.

[vale sierra]

I read it

And they just blow over the fact that it's those names by saying "they're common names in Spain"

The only truly common name is Maria

Mikel is only common in Basque, and Eva isn't as common

[valid vessel]

I don't give into big company media power play. It's just the companies telling you what you want to hear.

[unborn oracle]

MHJ is very liked and respected in Korea. The stories about her all come from international kpop fans who don't speak korean and don't know any better than to make things up I remember looking up almost everything that was brought up against her and it turns out everything was false.

[vale sierra]

And the 3 names together at the same time is even less common

[light sorrel]

Also, it's such an insane theory that makes no sense at all. It's genuinely makes me upset that people think "Yeah but look at MHJ, I can totally see her trying to create controversy by tying the girls to a terrorist group to drum up media-play" as a valid argument. Like wtf?

[vale sierra]

Of the probably thousands of different names, millions/billions of different name combinations

It just happens to be Mikel, Maria and Eva? The odds of that are extremely low

[valid vessel]

Exploitation in the industry is nothing new sadly

And no one is beyond any sort of marketing tactic

[balmy dune]

I'm gonna be honest with you I know someone with the name Eva so I really don't think it's uncommon, and I don't live anywhere near spain, just a thought not inputting anything

[light sorrel]

I studied in Barcelona for a semester, all 3 names are very common. In particular Eva and Maria.

[jaunty wolf]

There biblical names

[vale sierra]

I'm from Spain and have lived here my entire life

Some names are more common than others

The only truly common name there is Maria

Eva is less common, and Mikel is almost exclusive to Basque country

[valid vessel]

_>

[vale sierra]

Like, it'll be almost impossible to find a Mikel in Sevilla or anywhere else

[balmy dune]

ppl emigrate and move, we're not in confined communities anymore

[vale sierra]

Just because a Basque person emmigrated, doesn't mean it's suddenly not a Basque name

And like I said, the odds of finding one is extremely low

[balmy dune]

oh no, i'm not saying it's not a basque name just saying it's possible someone has that name outside of that area specifically /gen

[light sorrel]

So the theory is that MHJ is on purpose trying to make this into a big-deal so the girls get publicity?

[vale sierra]

And, the odds of those 3 specific names appearing on a song called ETA are super super super super low

Like think about the hundreds of thousands of different names that exist

Then think about how high the number of different combinations of those names is

[valid vessel]

I'm honestly just pissed that no one in their team did research for this bruh

[light sorrel]

Or is the theory that she is some kind of political activist secretly trying to promote Euskadi Ta Askatasuna?

[vale sierra]

Bruno, Jaime, Isabel

Pedro, Juan, Jaime

pablo, Juan, Eva

Enzo, Noah, Ainhoa

Like, the number of combinations is in the billions or trillions

And it just happens to be Mikel, Maria and Eva??

The one single combination that is directly related to ETA?

[balmy dune]

yeah but we don't even know the context of the names so we should wait until the video is actually released

[valid vessel]

I don't think MHJ is a marxist trying to create some hidden political agenda but seeing how people are reacting to this I'm just going to see how this plays out and not deny anyone of their speculations

[vale sierra]

The video doesn't matter, because it won't change the fact it says "ETA + those names"

[valid vessel]

Nobody has been blaming NewJeans at all

From what I've seen atleast

[vale sierra]

Wait what?

[valid vessel]

ETA is a marxist group

[quartz elbow]

what's eta

[light sorrel]

So the theory is she is doing this for publicity?

[vale sierra]

They weren't marxist

[balmy dune]

pinned

[sage dragon]

I'm no expert but what year is MHJ born again?

[vale sierra]

They were just terrorists

[valid vessel]

I just hope the girls are well TBH I could give less of a shit about MHJ and whatever hole she falls into on the way

[vale sierra]

Read pinned msg

[valid vessel]

And on another note ASAP Get Up ETA all seems stringed into a time concept

[valid vessel]

I'm pretty sure shes in her forties or something

[sage dragon]

that's a long time difference of the terrorist group to her age

[vale sierra]

The group existed until 2010

[balmy dune]

the group is older than her i think

[light sorrel]

If people don't see how MHJ is constantly being attacked and demonized in order to attack the group as a whole Idk what to say. The allegations against her are just unhinged and bless the woman for having the foritude of a saint for dealing with it all

[vale sierra]

Yes, it is

But it existed until 2010

[sage dragon]

dang that long eh, so she was in her 20's when they stopped?

[valid vessel]

I mean anyone is capable of searching up historical events

[vale sierra]

30s

She was 31 when they stopped

[valid vessel]

I'm pretty sure the group 'dissolved' in 2018 anyway

So it's really not a far cry from modern age

[balmy dune]

officially until 2018

[sage dragon]

was she part of SM still or already in the works of making her own company

[vale sierra]

No no, officially until 2010

I remember watching it live on TV

[balmy dune]

they just stopped being active in 2010

[valid vessel]

I believe MHJ has been working with Hybe for about 4-5 years now

[vale sierra]

They surrendered live on TV

[vale sierra]

I remember it vividly tbh

[balmy dune]

just quoting from what i read so idk

[sage dragon]

oh yeah I remember now

[valid vessel]

IIRC she selected Minji herself and Minji has been a trainee for about that long so

I'm just going off memory here

[vale sierra]

I don't know about that, I just know they surrendered and stopped in 2010

[sage dragon]

well I guess next album will be another discussion to where she will be tied to nazi's or whatsoever to get publicity if that's the people's way of saying things about ador and her.

[vale sierra]

I mean, if she says starring Adolf

Then probably, yeah

[sage dragon]

coz right now all we do is say shit about the company without even just letting them do what they need to do, we speculate so much that its just tiring to read lol.

[light sorrel]

You know it will happen, it will be some insane conspiracy theory but then people will just say "Oh but MHJ is controversial and I can totally see her using Nazism for publicity" and a depressingly large number of people will be convinced

[vale sierra]

I mean, you're acting like the links here aren't real

[valid vessel]

People have a right to be concerned about those sorts of things

[vale sierra]

They are, we aren't making up these links

A song called ETA, happens to have 3 very specific names related to ETA, and has a car in the teaser, for which ETA is known for bombing

[sage dragon]

I did not say anything about not being real, the stuff happened in the past yet we try to connect them to the present

[vale sierra]

It could've been literally any of the other hundreds of thousands of names

Couldve been a boat instead

[valid vessel]

I believe this is how context works

Past actions reflect upon who you are in the present

[sage dragon]

but we make it seem like its a fact that they are connected.

[valid vessel]

It's not connected but it definitely is plausible

[vale sierra]

Because the plausible deniability doesn't exist here

[sage dragon]

well people seem push it as they are "connected"

[vale sierra]

The connections are too strong to be called a coincidence

[light sorrel]

It's not 3 obscure names. Unfortunate coincidence explains it far more than some nefarious plan to allude to a long-deceased terrorist organization

[valid vessel]

Yeah if you make it ambiguous enough without denying it with any sort of evidence people are bound to become suspicious

That's exactly what happened with ETA

[vale sierra]

They are

I don't know how to get you guys to understand how utterly impossible it is for this to have happened

If you've studied probability in maths, you'd know how low the percentage chance is of 3 specific names appearing out of the possible billions of combinations

And it just happens to be called ETA + those names?

The odds are soooooooooo low that it can't be a coincidence

[granite root]

[valid vessel]

Some people say it's biblical references but 🤷‍♂️

[feral raptor]

this conversation keeps on repeating it feels like dejavu

[sage dragon]

my take is, I'm supposed to enjoy the song without any negativity on it.....yet again people can't keep to themselves about other stuff so we just go and educate everyone just so we have something to say.

[vale sierra]

It's necessary here

[valid vessel]

"Just so we have something to say" is really pushing it lightly

[vale sierra]

I always ignore the dumb controversy stuff in many things

[sage dragon]

is it really though

[balmy dune]

LMAO

[vale sierra]

But this time, it's not okay

[balmy dune]

it's cause ppl keep asking about it so convo starts again

[valid vessel]

I need someone to bring up a new point in the argument so someone can add onto it

[vale sierra]

There's not much new that can be added

[valid vessel]

This feels like it's going to go on forever

[vale sierra]

Well, I haven't seen anyone speak about this

[light sorrel]

Just looked up my course mailing list, 1 student named Mikel out of 330ish, 2 Eva and 5 Maria. Evidently not as "impossible" as some might think...

[vale sierra]

It is

[unborn oracle]

Even director Shin Woo-seok who made Ditto and OMG was taken aback and weirded out when he found out international kpop fans made crazy theories about MHJ and how fixated they were on her when HE was the one responsible from A to Z for everything in Ditto and OMG

[vale sierra]

This implies there's there's 320 people with maybe 320 different names

There's 47 million people in Spain

And many many many different names, it could have been ANY name

But it happens to those specific 3 related to ETA

[light sorrel]

And that's not how probability works. To use your examples, out of the names you listed. Mikel, Eva and Maria sounds by far the most aesthetic. Most people would have picked those three 9 times out of 10 to be used in a music video

[valid vessel]

This is jinja crazy now

[sage dragon]

wait so out of 330 there is only 1 mikel?

[valid vessel]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/988492841246412840/1111229716985298944/togif-3.gif

[vale sierra]

It is how probability works

[light sorrel]

yes?

[sage dragon]

so what's the % of 330 for 1 then?

[light sorrel]

They don't randomly pick 3 names out of a hat

[vale sierra]

It won't be exactly random chance, because they made a conscious choice

But that's where the issue lies, why did they choose the 3 names related to ETA?

[valid vessel]

What is bro waffling on about now

[vale sierra]

That's exactly the problem

[valid vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/miguel-o'hara-gif-13864437637015732411

[jaunty wolf]

Guys how ab we wait until the mv comes out or somthing else happens to this and stop arguing. We’re all newjeans fans and if your not leave

[vale sierra]

The thread is made for speaking about this

[quartz elbow]

frfr

[valid vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-cry-funny-gif-25488954

[jaunty wolf]

Yeah but y’all r not speaking YALL r arguing

[feral raptor]

this conversation will keep on going forever

unless someone will accept the opinion of other

[vale sierra]

I'm just speaking

[jaunty wolf]

No, your not

[sage dragon]

next thing you know, mikel is black, eva is asian, and maria is white and before anyone says anything im all 3 btw lmao

[vale sierra]

Now that's actual arguing

[vale sierra]

Super diverse

[valid vessel]

People when other people converse about a subject because it’s human nature to ponder topics whilst talking:

[keen thorn]

better than yesterday atleast

[valid vessel]

Wdf does this even mean

[granite root]

adam lurker

[wise patio]

https://tenor.com/view/screaming-shouting-tantrums-crying-girl-gif-16422563

[keen thorn]

yes

[wise patio]

when the 3 names is just a group of friends in the mv

[valid vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/cta-gif-27652056

[sage dragon]

like the next thing that happens after this speculations we are doing, will become a race war after.

[keen thorn]

ig theyre just the most unlucky people in the world!

[valid vessel]

Slow your roll there buckaroo nobody is going to do that 😭

[vale sierra]

That'd be a 0.3% chance

[sage dragon]

i mean it already has with cultural appropriation though...so I just hope newjeans don't get tied to that too

[vale sierra]

Yeah, that's not happening lol

I avoid that dumb stuff

[light sorrel]

I'm just going to leave this here: Unless legitimate allegations made about MHJ's character with actual evidence is provided. Any argument or theories trying to use "MHJ has a history of being controversial" as an actual point I will just consider ridiculous and slanderous.

[valid vessel]

Newjeans wont get tied to CA

Trust my girls are educated

[sage dragon]

oh no no no, again it can happen just like this has happened.

[keen thorn]

Yeah like most idols

[vale sierra]

I don't believe in that stuff

[valid vessel]

Noooooppeeee. You can't tie simple affairs like CA to a whole ass terrorist organization speculation bruh

[vale sierra]

Music itself is part of culture, and none of the kpop genres come from korea

[valid vessel]

Well not simple affairs

[vale sierra]

So it already becomes a dumb argument there

[valid vessel]

Sorry I'm not downplaying anything

[vale sierra]

So better to ignore it

[sage dragon]

all affairs are not simple, who said it was...but we can always tie everything to anything.

[valid vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-gif-22886423

[vale sierra]

Anyways, that's just speculation truly, because that hasn't happened at all

[quartz elbow]

how does this all affect lebron's legacy

[valid vessel]

What are we even talking about anymore 😭

[vale sierra]

But this ETA thing has actually happened, so stick to that

[vale sierra]

[jaunty wolf]

Who knows

[valid vessel]

ON JAH

[feral raptor]

ok lets do it like this just accept the opinion of others dont force them to believe what you are believing, atleast you did your part in sharing your knowledge thats enough

[sage dragon]

this guy right here knows whats up.

[quartz elbow]

woah

[jaunty wolf]

Whoops

[vale sierra]

[valid vessel]

By the end of this we're going to be scholars in ETAmology

[sage dragon]

I saw that lmao

[granite root]

what was that

[vale sierra]

I think you need to chill

[valid vessel]

Bruh what was that

[jaunty wolf]

Just putting it out there I am in fact a Jew(don’t cancel me)

[valid vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/joeyy-jxxyy-movie-familia-gif-23568102

[light sorrel]

I know this is a joke, but funny how if this was the case it would literally be 100x worse than the whole Cookie drama.

[sage dragon]

Hi Jew, who is in fact a jew

[valid vessel]

I'd make the song myself

[jaunty wolf]

-me

[valid vessel]

Not Newjeans have to clarify sorry

[light sorrel]

You'd be called a p*do and be hounded by people online for a year

[valid vessel]

south park wishes they were newjeans

[jaunty wolf]

FAXX

[valid vessel]

I just said I'd make the song myself

https://tenor.com/view/vernon-seventeen-gif-26126738

[light sorrel]

Oh, you mean perform?

[valid vessel]

Yeah my bad lack of clarification

[light sorrel]

Or you wanna write the song?

[valid vessel]

(D) All of the above

[light sorrel]

haha, that makes more sense

[quartz elbow]

what a time to be online

[valid vessel]

idk cuz newjeans is lowkey twerking music (Except for hurt and ditto) ill be real honest

[sage dragon]

you did know? if you say it backwards is also a question? Know did ya?

I'm just doing dad jokes now lmao

[jaunty wolf]

All my dads jokes are racist to our race💀

[quartz elbow]

hell, everything is racist

[valid vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/127hater-twt-gif-24974064

newjeans antis on twt rn

[jaunty wolf]

Fr

[light sorrel]

I've seem people twerk to Beethoven. It's what people make of it.

[jaunty wolf]

I’ve seen people twerk to the Star-Spangled Banner

[quartz elbow]

you talkin about the fergie version or what

[maiden nimbus]

-rule3

[upbeat ivy]

Keep channels on topic. Each channel has a description; please follow it.

[short ledge]

https://youtu.be/sHCHEykUxP4

[grizzled coyote]

The name Eva isn’t actually exclusive to Spain, and is not overly uncommon elsewhere

[cerulean wagon]

everytime i notice new unread messages in this thread: but then: 🍿 and always: ...

the same conversation over and over has me going through the five stages of grief everytime i open this thread.

[vale sierra]

If you want to include every name outside of Spain into the box of "what names they could've picked" it becomes worse

[quartz elbow]

fr

[vale sierra]

Cos then we can start adding literally any French name, Italian name, etc. Which makes it even more weird that from all those names, it happens to be those 3

Jean Claude, Francesco, Fabrizio

Completely unrelated

But Mikel, Maria, Eva? Very related

[cerulean wagon]

so much time spent typing the same things

can we agree to disagree?

or not... then at least 23 more days of this until get up release

[vale sierra]

You're free to do that, but don't do that as a means to make people be quiet

The thread exists for a reason, if you don't want to discuss it, do this

[nova kayak]

I just woke up and saw everything

[light sorrel]

legit all I hear when I see people trying to argue Ador is secretly putting messages supporting Euskadi Ta Askatasuna inside NewJeans music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjB3dO6hVwc&ab_channel=DailyMail

Except like, the monster lady brought a stronger case

Especially since like, if they actually wanted to go this route. It's not like there aren't controversial, iconic and spanish-speaking far-left terrorists they could've used. But they chose to use a name that almost purely hated and 99% of people outside Spain knows nothing about?

[vale sierra]

Let's avoid mentioning political ideologies

Because that's a far more complicated subject

[light sorrel]

Would it make you feel more comfortable if I labelled them revolutionary instead of far-left then?

[vale sierra]

It's not about comfort

It's about straying off the topic lmao

This isn't the place to argue about if something is far-left, far-right, or whatever

It's not a political argument thread or server

It's a terrorist group, that's it.

[lunar lance]

newjeans starring a terrorist group just to be hip i guess

lol

[vale sierra]

Not newjeans

[lunar lance]

name one pro out of this

then ill start believing this nonsense

[vale sierra]

It's Ador doing it

[light sorrel]

And the point is, this conspiracy theory falls apart so quick its hilarious when people try to explain why Ador would do this lol

[vale sierra]

It's not our responsibility to answer why Ador did it

It's Ador's responsibility

I don't know why you would seek an answer from us, and not the people who did it

[lunar lance]

just trying to make a bit of sense thats all

[vale sierra]

We can't make any sense of it

Only Ador can, when they explain themselves

The result could very well simply be them saying "We held auditions, and the people that won the auditions to participate happened to be named that way"

[light sorrel]

Euskadi Ta Askatasuna was literally formed out of devotion to Che Guevara's movement. That would've been the obvious choice if this "theory" of malicious marketing is true.

[vale sierra]

And that's it.

[light sorrel]

But both are insane in any case

[vale sierra]

but they need to explain themselves, whatever the explanation may be

[vale sierra]

Remember when I said we should avoid talking about politics that have nothing to do with the topic?

[light sorrel]

People are conjuring motivations for why Ador is "using a terrorist group to do marketing". It's quite relevant to point out how delusional a take that is and that includes putting things in context.

I could say the same about you bringing up ETA

[vale sierra]

People should stop conjuring motivations

And just ask Ador why they chose those names, and wait for an answer

I don't know why you'd mention that here, when absolutely nobody here has done that

[olive spindle]

i agree with you dani

[light sorrel]

people literally been doing just that

[vale sierra]

Nobody here

[light sorrel]

use the search function

[vale sierra]

All I've seen here is people asking "why have they done that?"

I've been in this chat for 2 days very active, I've not seen anyone say "Ador are marketing/supporting terrorism"

[maiden nimbus]

someone mentioned it yeah

[light sorrel]

I literally just captured an image of someone doing that itt doing that and you're saying it never happened...

[vale sierra]

I see Kane mentioned that someone else said it

[maiden nimbus]

.

[vale sierra]

I don't think kngaman is claiming that

They're just saying "maybe"

because literally the next message is this

Either way, the general consensus I've seen in this chat is people just wanting Ador to explain the names

It's only in twitter threads where I've seen people say MHJ is some sort of crazy terrorist master mind

But Twitter is known to be stupid, so we ignore twitter

[light sorrel]

Read the actual words, it is a claim. In either case, asking the question "Why would Ador ever connect NewJeans music to a terrorist group?" is a legitimate question that people can ask and discuss

[vale sierra]

Not a question we can answer

We aren't Ador

We can only speculate, and if you want to force an answer from us for that question

Then we'll give you speculative answers

[light sorrel]

That is such a moot point. That's like me saying Taylor Swift is a secret FSB agent and saying no-one can say otherwise except Taylor Swift herself in an official statement because we can't "answer" for them

[vale sierra]

1. It's a 1 in a billion chance coincidence
2. It's a misunderstanding where they thought ETA was a heroic rebellion, when it's not
3. They're going to use it to educate
4. They're using it as a marketing scheme to create negative attention, but all attention is good attention

Those are 4 speculative reasons I can think of off the top of my head

[jaunty wolf]

none of this we cant anwser if we dont just wait

[vale sierra]

To know the real reason, you have to ask Ador, not us

[vale sierra]

Of course, that's why we have to ask Ador to explain themselves

[vale sierra]

There's 0 evidence to back that claim up

There is evidence here to claim that they used ETA somehow

[jaunty wolf]

and poeple are doing that, so i dont see a reason for everyone to be arguing about this

[light sorrel]

And if Ador do bother to humor these claims, they will just say "it was an unfortunate coincidence" because that's what it is...

[vale sierra]

If they do that, then that's fine

They'll definitely explain how the coincidence came to be

[vale sierra]

I assume it'd be something like this

[vale sierra]

Because some people deny the relation completely and are minimizing/downplaying peoples concerns

That's where arguing occurs

[jaunty wolf]

yeah im not saying people cant have there own opions im just sayign they should not be brung down

[light sorrel]

If that's the case and what you truly want is Ador to address these claims. Then us debating this here is irrelevant

[vale sierra]

Yeah, but some other people believe others aren't allowed to have their opinions/worries and try to tell them to shut up

[jaunty wolf]

^^^'

[vale sierra]

That's where arguing happens

[vale sierra]

If you truly believe it's pointless, then you're free to leave the thread

[jaunty wolf]

babes the only person keeping this goign is you

[vale sierra]

You can't force others to be quiet because you think it's pointless

[jaunty wolf]

okay! hvae fun talking to ur self

[vale sierra]

Thanks

[wary crest]

right like people are jumping into conclusions way too fast and are desperate for a response from ADOR which is acceptable but at the same time they’re trying to bring newjeans down

people are saying to boycott as if that’s gonna do anything to ADOR which is under HYBE and HYBE has billions 💀

[jaunty wolf]

Yes it’s so stupid

[wary crest]

And people are probably going to end up boycotting the entire album release

[muted mica]

ADOR should just ruin the surprise and tell us who Mikel, Maria, and Eva are tbh

[wary crest]

Like this isn’t LOONA…

[muted mica]

It would end this entire controversy

[wary crest]

Yeah

They obviously know the controversy already since they had to clarify the title

[maiden nimbus]

fr

[wary crest]

they’re just bringing negative attention to newjeans even though it’s directed to min heejin

and min heejin is actively destroying her image everytime she does this so

[quartz elbow]

Ok, so when that "ETA" MV will be released? It's 1st July or 21st? Because if it's 21st July we have to wait so long to finally see what is that concept

[lunar lance]

i know who they are

ill tell u soon

[feral raptor]

its in july 21, but they will perform it in bunnies camp

which is in july 1

[muted mica]

ETA MV is released July 21st

[quartz elbow]

Ok, thanks guys!

[opal belfry]

well,the fact there are people using call asap trailer as **** which is bs that mean they are already trying to bring down the brand.

[lunar lance]

as what

[zealous berry]

Fr

I swear she doesn’t care 😭

[muted mica]

Nah no way you just baited them to get timed out

[lunar lance]

i am genuinely curious

as what now

[zealous berry]

Same

[opal belfry]

I forgot and get baited 😭

[lunar lance]

did u get timed out again

[opal belfry]

first time lol

[lunar lance]

honestly tho what is it

[opal belfry]

nah

[lunar lance]

come on man u cant just leave me hanging like this

at least link a tweet that says it

come on man

[opal belfry]

it is a hate tweet in spanish so I didn't save it lol 😭 ,some bunnies are blasting it though,let me see if i can find it again.

[vale sierra]

Exactly

All they need to do is give an explanation, and the issue would be done

by they I mean Ador, not the girls

[wise patio]

i have a feeling ador is just preparing for lawsuit

[vale sierra]

From who?

someone sueing them?

[wise patio]

no

i meant ador is suing

[vale sierra]

who?

[jaunty wolf]

Who

[wise patio]

obviously the ppl who say newjeans is supporting t*rrorism

[vale sierra]

They can't do that

[jaunty wolf]

They can’t do that

I don’t think they can at least

[vale sierra]

They definitely can't haha

[wise patio]

isnt it defamation

[vale sierra]

Yes, it is

[jaunty wolf]

Suing cost money and a lot of ppl r saying it

[vale sierra]

But they can't sue someone they don't know the name of

[vale sierra]

and also this

[jaunty wolf]

Yeha it would be to much of a cost to sue and figure out who there suing

[wise patio]

unfortunate

[vale sierra]

Plus, it's almost impossible to sue someone from a different country

[jaunty wolf]

Yeah

[vale sierra]

The best they can do is just make a statement and that's it

That way, most of the people, like me, will just say "Okay, we understand"

and then only the toxic people will be left, but they're always there so

[zealous berry]

Defamation is a hard thing to prove a lot of the time

Cause you have to prove they had Ill intent

[vale sierra]

Not to mention, if they did take this to Spanish court

and they saw the song is called ETA and what not, they'd probably say people had a reason to question it

[zealous berry]

Yeah so it’d be a waste of money

[vale sierra]

[zealous berry]

That’s why most company’s don’t sue for defamation unless they have enough proof

But all ador needs to do is explain everything

[jaunty wolf]

Yeah

[vale sierra]

[wise patio]

well they did explain cookie before but it just reignited the rage

[vale sierra]

I've no idea what that is about, I'd ask for context but

Probably pointless

[lunar lance]

u cant satisfy everyone

if they wanted to hate in the first place then its really hard to sway them

[vale sierra]

Yeah, if even after an explanation, people are angry, then that's on them..

[zealous berry]

Yeah that’s why you don’t argue with some people

Only a fool argue with a fool yk

A lot of the time haters won’t even change their opinions

[granite root]

[hallow knoll]

im so confused is ETA actually abt a ||terrorist group|| . or is it just information (when i say eta i mean as in newjeans song)

[muted mica]

check pinned

[hallow knoll]

ty

[prisma knoll]

[void saddle]

Mb, thought I could express in Portuguese 💀 but people are reaching like crazy

[maiden nimbus]

english only

[void saddle]

So people’s logic is pretty much a news organization BBC equates to the other bbc, like newjeans going to Spain to make ETA sound as eu t amo(Portuguese word but Alr) Relating eta to a entirely unrelated institution is just manipulating words, WTF is recognized as world taekwondo federation but it would make more sense to relate it to a cuss word…

makes total sense Alr bro

[vale sierra]

Read the pinned message

It's not because it says "ETA" and that's it

[void saddle]

Mb, but my point still stands, don’t you agree it’s a reach?

[vale sierra]

No, because it's not just about "ETA"

It's also the names, and the car

If it were only ETA, then nobody would care

It's because it also has the names and the car that it suddenly seems weird

It's everything together, combined, that makes it weird

[void saddle]

So the mv correlates with the people involved in the terrorist incident?

[vale sierra]

Yes, ETA are famous for bombing cars

And the teaser is titled "ETA", has names related to ETA, and shows a car

So, that's where people are saying "How can so many things related to ETA be appearing on a teaser called ETA?"

Ignore the idiots saying MHJ or Ador are supporting terrorists and spreading terrorist ideology

[void saddle]

right now, I see a car just driving, that’s up for your interpretation, but is this not like similar to newjeans making that cookie song and they came out with an entirely different opinion on the lyrics

[vale sierra]

The rest of us just want to know why so many things related to ETA appeared on a video titled ETA

What's the meaning/purpose behind it

[void saddle]

I just see a car no?

[vale sierra]

It's not just a car

It's a car on a video titled ETA, starring names of terrorists and victims of ETA

[void saddle]

Are we talking about the ETA “teaser” video

[vale sierra]

Yes.

Did you not read the pinned message?

[cerulean wagon]

look i'm gonna give you benefit of the doubt and assume you say "1 in a billion" as a figure of speech, but i want to point out to others the math ain't mathing here.

[void saddle]

No I’m a casual fan, but I’m looking on Twitter rn, ima keep it a buck, I’m interpreting this as a reach

[vale sierra]

No, it's genuinely a 1 in a billion chance