ETA

[vale sierra]

Yeah ofc, i just wanna know your piece

[vague idol]

dont know, because that not the issue at hand!

im talking about ETA. thank you <3

[vale sierra]

For Spanish people, that is the issue at hand

[hybrid moat]

eva wasn't one of his first victims

[vale sierra]

It's equal, in my eyes

[vague idol]

and thats fine as i stated in another server i respect both sides.

but like i said

im here to state my piece

then leave

[kind gust]

i mean in other countries people reference wars and atrocities that have happened in other countries in a manner worse than this 🤷🏽 with actual hate and jokes etc.

[maiden nimbus]

i mean yeah

[kind gust]

i understand it’s a sensitive topic

[maiden nimbus]

but if i was the family of one of the victims i wouldnt like these facts to be used as a song at all

even if its not in a fun way

[kind gust]

i mean

happens all the time tbh

[unborn axle]

Don't use that as a reason to minimize the case..

[kind gust]

i’m not lmaooo

i’m just saying this isn’t just new jeans

[unborn axle]

Its New Jeans we're talking about

[kind gust]

a lot of groups / bands / etc. do things like this

[maiden nimbus]

ik ik

[vale sierra]

Yeah

[kind gust]

okay MHJ

[vale sierra]

I'll say it again, this has nothing to do with the girls

It's Ador's fault

Support the girls, but demand answers from Ador

[unborn axle]

But if they behaved was for a reason ig?

I mean

[kind gust]

they are connected to Ador though, and if they hear that something that they took part in and worked on and sang and agreed to is harmful to people they’re going to get just as upset

[tepid spruce]

^

[unborn axle]

I dont know well how groups work and that stuff

[cyan echo]

danii long time no see

[unborn axle]

But bro.. you can't say no or anything?

I'm being genuine

[cerulean wagon]

what is ador supposed to say other than ETA means Estimated Time of Arrival (which they did). if they claim ignorance no one will believe them. if they apologize people will think they did it as a trick to gain attention. ador can't really say anything productive.

[kind gust]

^

[vague idol]

^

ador is in the wrong completely as this couldve been a way of political rivalry

[kind gust]

and the girls do have a say in what they preform and do much more than any other kpop girl group imo

[vague idol]

but she really will not do anything and the song will get released

[kind gust]

they help write the songs

[vale sierra]

I've reappeared

And will disappear again

[vale sierra]

Nope

If you're big big, then yes

BTS can probably say no

[unborn axle]

That makes sense

[vale sierra]

But generally, they can't

They have no power

[kind gust]

these girls can say no tho

i doubt they’d want to

[cerulean wagon]

they have exclusive contracts they essentially can't if they want to have a career

[kind gust]

cuz they’re famous and getting paid

[vale sierra]

I'm sure they can say no

[maiden nimbus]

i dont think they can say no

but thats just me

[vale sierra]

But refusing to participate is a breach of contract

And contracts cost money

[kind gust]

i’m done arguing lmaoo

[vale sierra]

Like Chuu, where she was forced to sue to escape that situation

[tepid spruce]

To put myself in their shoes and the girl's defence.. I didn't even know ETA meant smth evil as well until it got brought up

Girls'**

[kind gust]

bye

[vale sierra]

Yeah they might not know

For most kpop groups

They just get called in 9am, told to sing X lines

Then go practice the dance

And thats it

[quartz elbow]

But then responsibility falls on MHJ again lol

[vale sierra]

They dont actually make the lyrics and what not

[tepid spruce]

It's ador's responsibility to at least inform them

[vale sierra]

It is

Well, im gonna go eat my Regma icecream, cos Spain has the best icecream

And i hope this gets an answer

Have a nice day peoples

[tepid spruce]

I hope to go madrid some dayyy

[quartz elbow]

If they're in charge of their concepts,they should open up a Wikipedia page and double check they're not gonna accidentally reference something they shouldn't

[unborn axle]

Its not a weird coincidence, its a whole reference

[cerulean wagon]

i don't see last names i don't see a reference

[unborn axle]

No need anyone to confirm it to know it. Its culture

I can get you didn't know about eta before this

So if they put hitler nazi and don't confirm it, what would you say? You need confirmation?

[frozen geyser]

don’t blow the issue out of proportion

[unborn axle]

It was an example

I never said anything about disband, just in my status

Focus on the topic and not in your fanatism

[frozen geyser]

it’s an example that was different compared to the situation at hand
the similarity isn’t necessarily “obvious”

[unborn axle]

Sorry for that then

[quartz elbow]

Tbf, I didn't even see the name similarity until people pointed it out

[tepid spruce]

Do we hate North Koreans for what they are? No, we hate their leader.

Same with NJ members.. love them, but question their management when you see anything odd

[frozen geyser]

we don’t know anything for sure until ADOR confirms it, and based on the content they released, it is about travel

[unborn axle]

I didn't hate on new jeans, I said that what they did is disrespectful

[maiden nimbus]

huh?

[quartz elbow]

Questioning management's suspicious choices doesn't mean wanting group to be doneso

[tepid spruce]

No worriess mann

[unborn axle]

They also put a car instead of a plane

[vale sierra]

This minimizes the seriousness of ETA

Don't minimize the terrorism they did

The comparison is valid, to a Spanish person

We suffered from their terrorism

ETA to us is what Hitler is to others

[unborn axle]

Exactly

[frozen geyser]

all im saying is nothing has been confirmed

[vale sierra]

But this is where the example is valid

[unborn axle]

Yeah how cute a black car in the darkness of the night..

[vale sierra]

If instead of ETA, it's "Heil" starring Adolf, Himmler, Anne

Would you say wait for it to be confirmed?

Because for us Spanish people, that's what's happening

[unborn axle]

I don't even know if its black I can't see anything

Attention hasn't got any "coincidence" related to terrorism

[maiden nimbus]

they put a bomb in a car in their most famous attack

[unborn axle]

And eta was known for bombing cars

[maiden nimbus]

im going to stay off this topic and just moderate tbh

my mom's family is basque so i dont think im being objective

[vale sierra]

I'm from the North of Spain also

[maiden nimbus]

i even have a basque name LMAO

[vale sierra]

Same

Both my surnames are basque

[maiden nimbus]

not me

[pallid palm]

Hi

[unborn axle]

hi

[grizzled coyote]

okay no more acronyms for anyone

[unborn axle]

Why so radical

[feral raptor]

oh i see u just here to hate

i saw your bio

[unborn axle]

Me?

I'm not

I never hated and you can check every single message I sent

[feral raptor]

ok thats good

[unborn axle]

We're not talking if someone hates the group or not, we're talking about this new song tho

[feral raptor]

ye ik i just saw your bio "NewJeans disband when"

[muted mica]

[grizzled coyote]

Those are most likely not the same fonts…

[wise patio]

https://twitter.com/newtannies/status/1673360281311879172

newtannies ⁷𓃺 slow (@newtannies)

This is exciting..a movie reference ‘FRANK’ in ASAP

ASAP TEASER OUT NOW
#NewJeans_ASAP #NewJeans_GetUp

Twitter · Jun 26, 2023, 3:59 PM

lore

[unborn axle]

There are lots of fonts under the name "Basque"

[feral raptor]

this thread is for ETA tho

[feral raptor]

you can share that in #newjeans-chat

[unborn axle]

I think I saw the one NewJeans used before, let me search it

[cerulean wagon]

no need

[unborn axle]

?

[cerulean wagon]

it's glicker black expanded

[unborn axle]

Don't know, I'm not good at typography stuff so sorry if I said something wrong xd

[grizzled coyote]

There are significant differences between the shape on the inside of the E in both

[unborn axle]

The "ETA" is glicker black expanded, yeah

[grizzled coyote]

Yeh i’m not that well educated in typography. I’ve done some handwriting analysis stuff a year or two ago for my degree but never digital text

[unborn axle]

But there was another word in basque fonts I think, I'm not sure about that

Anyway

I'm not investigating about the fonts to prove that there are references to the eta we're talking about

[grizzled coyote]

While I don’t doubt the severity of this topic as a whole, I don’t believe this is necessarily a fair comparison. While what ETA the terrorist group was certainly evil, the vast atrocities that Hitler and his regime committed are unrivalled by comparison. The Nazis not only killed but, debatably worse, worked to strip away the identity of entire peoples’ cultures. Especially when considering that ETA is also an extremely common acronym in the English speaking world. That being said, I do hope that ETA the song has absolutely nothing to do with the terrorist group, though I can understand where the comparisons are made.

[vale sierra]

I don't appreciate the minimizing of what ETA did to Spain just because it's not as famous or as big

It's not a competition about who's the worst

They're both bad

And if the other example would warrant a negative reaction, then so should this

[unborn axle]

This feels like you just think that something is important when it hurts the most people

Spain suffered because of this

[vale sierra]

Over 800 lives were lost to them

And thousands more affected irrevocably due to their actions

That is bad and evil. There's no "more bad and more evil" here.

[grizzled coyote]

I know, and I’m not downplaying the severity of what they did. I never said nor meant that. You said “it’s not a competition” and I believe that.

[cerulean wagon]

Glicker black expanded?

[vale sierra]

And I'm not denying that the Nazis did many many more evil acts, but a lower quantity doesn't make ETA "less bad" or "less evil". They are just as bad and guilty of very similar crimes.

Hence, when I see this as a Spanish person, I see it as if I were Jewish and the song was called differently

This isn't directed to you specifically, but generally, people don't take things as seriously when it doesn't affect them

[grizzled coyote]

I agree

[vale sierra]

And because this only affects Spanish people, I see people who aren't Spanish saying it isn't that serious

[feral raptor]

please dont compare this to nazis

[vale sierra]

I'm not comparing the song to them

I'm comparing ETA to them

[grizzled coyote]

1 evil deed is still 1 too many, regardless of the final amount or who committed it

[cerulean wagon]

you used hypotheticals to compare the text in the teaser to nazi references

[feral raptor]

ye but like lets not try to make it more bigger

[vale sierra]

It's not more bigger

It's equal

I just explained why it is

When you decide that one thing is bigger, by default you are saying the other is "smaller" or "less significant"

I use the example so people understand what ETA is to Spanish people

Because that's the most widely known example of what ETA was to Spanish people

[rose ibex]

they just are not comparable and no one should attempt to do so

[unborn axle]

No nazi references, but we used nazi examples 'cause some of y'all don't seem to care about what ETA did

[vale sierra]

Yeah, my bad, the terrorists acts ETA did aren't that bad, they're not that serious

You see what you're trying to force me to say?

It's minimizing what they did

[rose ibex]

i did not say that

[vale sierra]

It can only be "not comparable" if they're not as bad

[rose ibex]

i said you shouldn’t try to compare them because this should not be some twisted competition

[vale sierra]

It's not a competition

That's what I'm saying

[unborn axle]

Noone is competing

[vale sierra]

Which is why I'm saying, if you would react negatively if it were about Nazis

Then you should react negatively to this

Because they're equal

The same thing, not competition, but equal

[unborn oracle]

*twt https://twitter.com/mymomoty/status/1673286397518835713

[spark void]

@mymomoty <t:1687777539:d>

[cerulean wagon]

Saying they are equal minimizes what the nazis did, which was annihilate millions with the goal of eliminating an entire race?

[vale sierra]

If you think equalling them minimizes it, then you're admitting you think what ETA did isn't as bad

[grizzled coyote]

then let’s please not make it one

[vale sierra]

I'm not the one doing it

[rose ibex]

yes you are

[vale sierra]

How so?

I said they're equal

[unborn axle]

When?

[vale sierra]

A competition should have a winner

[rose ibex]

you’re the one who made the comparison in the first place

[cerulean wagon]

I don’t think they should be used as example to explain the situations.

[vale sierra]

Comparing is not the same as competing

[unborn axle]

Comparing isn't competing

[rose ibex]

the analogy is flawed at its core as well

[cerulean wagon]

They are not comparable

[vale sierra]

The minimization of what Spanish people suffered at the hands of ETA is crazy

[unborn axle]

So you care this low of spain?

[vale sierra]

I understand you maybe had no knowledge of the existence of ETA before this happened

But you can use this as a learning experience

Not as a "eh, theyre not that bad" situation

[rose ibex]

maybe this is a controversial statement but domestic terrorism is not the same thing as genocide

[vale sierra]

They killed over 800 people

That is genocide

[cerulean wagon]

NO IT IS NOT

[rose ibex]

the nazis killed 2000 times as many at least

[vale sierra]

So nazis win?

[cerulean wagon]

that is not what genocide is

[vale sierra]

You see how you're the one making it a competition?

[rose ibex]

statistics bro

[vale sierra]

So they win the competition of who killed more, hurray

Be serious, please

[cerulean wagon]

No I’m saying they are not comparable situations

[vale sierra]

Killing 1 person is enough to be classified as just as bad

[unborn axle]

3.500+ attacks, over 7.000 victims, over 850 dead people

[rose ibex]

gen·o·cide
/ˈjenəˌsīd/
noun
the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group.
"a campaign of genocide"

[vale sierra]

Nation being Spain

Spanish people

Mhm

I don't know why you're trying to tell a Spanish person whether what ETA did to Spain was or wasn't

I'm well educated in the history of my own country

[unborn axle]

I hope none of the countries the people who defend this thing live on get attacked this way

[feral raptor]

does anyone defending it?

[rose ibex]

do·mes·tic ter·ror·ism
noun
the committing of terrorist acts in the perpetrator's own country against their fellow citizens.
"domestic terrorism plagued the country during a time of high political tensions"

[grizzled coyote]

Okay, I’m not a mod, however, reminder of rule 1. It is starting to be get a bit too emotionally-driven and out of hand.

[cerulean wagon]

That wasn’t the intention of ETA. There intention was terrorism (as proclaimed by most western govs). Terrorism and genocide are different.

[vale sierra]

They're minimizing it

[unborn axle]

Minimizing it

[vale sierra]

Which is bad

[unborn axle]

No?

[vale sierra]

Just because they didnt kill more people doesn't mean they aren't just as bad

[grizzled coyote]

Okay

[feral raptor]

no one says theyre not bad

[rose ibex]

they are an evil group with a despicable motivation, yes

[cerulean wagon]

Saying WW2 can’t be compared to the political situation in Spain is not downplaying the violence of ETA

[vale sierra]

I didn't say that

I said they're saying theyre not AS bad

That's minimizing

[rose ibex]

okay and you’re minimizing the holocaust

[vale sierra]

"Because your experience isn't as bad as mine, it isn't as seriou"

It's textbook minimizing

Gaslighting even

[vale sierra]

I'm not

[rose ibex]

yes you are

[vale sierra]

Because they're both bad

No, because in my eyes they're equally bad

Equal

[rose ibex]

exactly

[vale sierra]

It's impossible to minimize when you view something as equal

Minimizing implies something is below something else

[rose ibex]

what were your ancestors doing in the 30s and 40s

[vale sierra]

In other words, not equal

Having a civil war

And mass genocide within the country

Between the republicans and the dictatorship

Why?

[cerulean wagon]

That doesn’t mean they are comparable. ETA and WW2 nazis exist on a completely different paradigm. One was focused on invading Europe and eliminating an entire race of people and the other was a separatist group within a country. ETA were terrorists and not orchestrators of mass genocide. Please read the dictionary if don’t understand the difference. I am not talking about who is bad or who is not so bad I’m just saying Nazis shouldn’t be used as an example to convey the significance of ETA because they are so different. Like if you say ETA are like the Nazis you might make people think ETA took over the entire country of Spain, murdered millions of people, and invaded its neighbors. It didn’t, so you would be giving a false impression. There are other, more famous, separatist movements that would be a better example.

[vale sierra]

There are no movements as famous as the Nazis

[rose ibex]

???

that’s your justification for trying to compare them???

[wooden crater]

And?

ETA killed people at random

[vale sierra]

It's my reason for using it as an example

[wooden crater]

Nazis had a target

[rose ibex]

the holocaust was not at random

[vale sierra]

So anyone, from any country, will know what type of people they are

[wooden crater]

Shit reason

[vale sierra]

Neither were ETAs attacks

They were targetted attacks

[cerulean wagon]

They targeted political figures and people who didn’t agree with their political views. Still not genocide tho.

[vale sierra]

It is

[wooden crater]

A lot were random as well, they wanted fear

[wooden crater]

No, that’s not genocide…..

Genocide is trying to erase a whole race

A whole population

[vale sierra]

It is

[wooden crater]

Some politicians and random people is not genocide

[vale sierra]

I don't know why you, as a person not from Spain, are trying to tell a person in Spain

[wooden crater]

Shut the fuck up

[vale sierra]

That they weren't condemned to jail for genocide

[wooden crater]

I am from Spain

You don’t know me

[vale sierra]

When they literally were

[shadow hedge]

stop saying you are from spain just to shut people opinion

[unborn axle]

Why so rude?

[shadow hedge]

they are more knowledgeable than you

[wooden crater]

Because this

[vale sierra]

They aren't

They didn't know what ETA was until now

[wooden crater]

They are calling genocide something that is not genocide

[shadow hedge]

everytime you are cornered you will just say im from spain

[vale sierra]

They were literally condemned by judges for genocide

[shadow hedge]

like wtf bro

[vale sierra]

Because you're minimizing what I as a Spanish person lived

[cosmic breach]

@cyan echo

[vale sierra]

While not being Spanish

[cerulean wagon]

ETA was using murder to create fear and generate attention for their political movement. Not kill an entire population. They were sentenced for murder, not genocide??

[vale sierra]

That's disrespectful

[rose ibex]

you aren’t the only spanish person here

[vale sierra]

They've been sentenced for genocide

[shadow hedge]

again minimizing

[cerulean wagon]

Where?

[vale sierra]

In Spain

[wooden crater]

YO TAMBIÉN SOY ESPAÑOL, POR DECIR QUE ERES DE ESPAÑA NO TIENES MÁS RAZÓN ASÍ QUE DEJA DE TOCAR LAS NARICES

There’s literally an article that mentions how they disregarded genocide

[vale sierra]

One judge did

[cerulean wagon]

No. Clarifying the ETA movement is not comparable to WW2 Nazism because they are inherently different. That is not minimizing.

[vale sierra]

It is

"one isn't as bad"

That's the definition of minimizing

[wooden crater]

THEY ARENT REMOTELY THE SAME

[cerulean wagon]

Where did I say this

[wooden crater]

THEY DONT HAVE SIMILAR MOTIVATIONS

[vale sierra]

They're not the same. They're just equally as bad.

[unborn axle]

Can't you just stop arguing if its bad to compare? You're just ignoring what this started for..

[wooden crater]

THATS LIKE CALLING A SCHOOL SHOOTER GENOCIDE

[vale sierra]

Saying "One is worse" is the same as saying "one isn't as bad"

If one is worse, then the other isn't as bad

[rose ibex]

one is on a much larger scale, carried out by the government. how’s that

[cerulean wagon]

Where did I say one is worse. I described how they are different and not comparable.

[rose ibex]

that one is objectively true

and the loss of life is, without a doubt, much larger

[wooden crater]

One is terrorism, the other is genocide

[vale sierra]

What's this trying to imply then?

[wooden crater]

What eta did cannot be defined by anything but terrorism

[vale sierra]

So Nazis aren't terrorists too...?

I don't get what you want from all this arguing

[vale sierra]

Doesn't apply here

Because "one is worse" literally means "the other isn't as bad"

[quartz elbow]

it does

[shadow hedge]

we are saying they all bad tho

[rose ibex]

you are creating entirely new phrases

[vale sierra]

Okay, we can end the argument easily then

[cerulean wagon]

That they are different and if you compare them you can mislead people to think ETA was a world-dominating government hell bent on killing an entire race. I just pointed out ETA was not that and didn’t say anything about whether one was worse.

[vale sierra]

I'll ask you straight up

Is ETA just as bad as Nazis? Yes or no?

[rose ibex]

all mass murder is bad, and not all mass murder can be classified in the same categories.

[shadow hedge]

my answer

[vale sierra]

That's true, so, is ETA just as bad?

[cerulean wagon]

I’m not interested in morals I’m interested in how using Nazi examples takes the ETA situation out of context.

[vale sierra]

Yes or no?

[rose ibex]

why do you want to compare them to nazis so much?

[vale sierra]

I already explained that

You can scroll up

[rose ibex]

there are other infamous terrorist cells that people will recognize by name

[vale sierra]

I answered your question, now can you answer mine?

[rose ibex]

i already did

[wooden crater]

Your question is irrelevant

[vale sierra]

You didn't

[cerulean wagon]

You can’t have a productive conversation if you don’t have the correct context. I’m just saying find a better example, there are plenty.

[vale sierra]

I asked if ETA is just as bad

[grizzled coyote]

Yes, but it doesn’t mean that it isn’t bad

[vale sierra]

Are they?

[rose ibex]

i said all mass murder is bad

[vale sierra]

I didn't ask about that

I asked about ETA

Are they just as bad as Nazis?

Yes or no?

[shadow hedge]

i answered your question tho

[wooden crater]

Irrelevant

[quartz elbow]

that question was already answered lad

[grizzled coyote]

Statistically, no. Morally, that’s up in the air

[vale sierra]

It wasn't, but if it was, please quote it

[shadow hedge]

scroll up

[keen thorn]

You can scroll up

[vale sierra]

And that's where the issue lies. By saying no, you're minimizing it.

I scrolled up, it isn't there

[wooden crater]

Based on numbers, yes, nazis were way worse

[vale sierra]

Please quote it

[shadow hedge]

quote your answer to this

please

[vale sierra]

I will

One second

[shadow hedge]

i cant find it

ok then

[vale sierra]

.

[quartz elbow]

here

[vale sierra]

.

Here

[grizzled coyote]

I’m afraid that’s just how statistics work. If you have an issue with how statistics work, then this is not the place to complain

[vale sierra]

Now, you answer please

[vale sierra]

That makes no mention of whether ETA is just as bad

Your argument is that you aren't minimizing it

[shadow hedge]

eta is bad they all bad but nazis is in the diff category

[vale sierra]

So they are just as bad

But Nazis did more crimes?

[wooden crater]

At this point you’re just being difficult to annoy people, just quiet down, you keep asking irrelevant questions to get to a discussion that makes no sense

[vale sierra]

No, I'm asking question you don't want to answer

That's the problem

[wooden crater]

I already answered you fool

[shadow hedge]

you are being too arrogant

[wooden crater]

You are just an annoying person trying to piss everyone off

[vale sierra]

I'm being arrogant in trying to get people to understand why ETA are bad

[wooden crater]

And I’ve already reported you

[vale sierra]

The ad hominem here

[shadow hedge]

we understand it tho

does anyone says we dont understand it

[unborn axle]

I would report you for insulting then..

[keen thorn]

I think you just enjoy arguing bro i cant lie

[vale sierra]

It doesnt seem like it when I'm told to "shut the fuck up"

[cerulean wagon]

Good vs bad is not the point because people have different morals. We are saying that applying Nazi examples to ETA creates a false context. Consequently, it makes it hard to have a productive conversation about the situation.

[quartz elbow]

haven't you done exactly the same?

[wooden crater]

Go ahead, but that’s irrelevant

[vale sierra]

No, I haven't

[quartz elbow]

[grizzled coyote]

Remember rule 1 please everyone

[unborn axle]

Irrelevant being rude to others?

[wooden crater]

I’ve been insulted plenty in many servers and no one ever does anything

[vale sierra]

I've only stated my opinion on the matter

I've not told anyone to "shut the fuck up"

[unborn axle]

Sorry for that but not our fault

[vale sierra]

Nor have I insulted anyone

[wooden crater]

I was insulted when they’re assuming my country

[shadow hedge]

shush, you just joined this server and you domt even stan newjeans theres a "newjeans disband when" in your bio

[wooden crater]

Saying I’m Spanish but you’re not

[vale sierra]

In fact, I've been understanding of people who may not be aware of the history of my country

Which is why I used a very widely known and famous example

To help them understand what ETA is

[wooden crater]

No you haven’t, you have been belittling people because they are not from Spain

[past spindle]

sorry for interrupting but whats the whole deal with the eta comeback? newjeans is my ult so i rlly dont want them to be in any issues anymore but...

[unborn axle]

My status doesn't matter right now, and I've never been rude to anyone here

[keen thorn]

check pinned

[vale sierra]

I've told people who told me "it's not that serious" that they can't tell me that when I'm Spanish

Because it's disrespectful

[past spindle]

okkay

[wooden crater]

Song name plus names in teaser connect to a former Spanish terrorist group that killed 800+ people

[shadow hedge]

bro you are not the only one spanish here

[vale sierra]

Other people being Spanish doesn't diminish what I think as a Spanish person

[rose ibex]

okay but when a spanish person has a different opinion you disregard it

[past spindle]

but why would they od that

thats so random and so offensive

[wooden crater]

It’s more disrespectful when you act like you’re the only Spanish person in here

[shadow hedge]

ye he just want to argue people

[vale sierra]

I disregard someone who insults me and attacks me, yes

[shadow hedge]

theres no point talking here

[rose ibex]

they are just as entitled to their own opinion as a spanish person as you are, even if your opinions differ

[buoyant raft]

You are comparing history's most prominent ethnic cleansing to a paramilitary group focused on damaging Spain's governing body to achieve independence (which has resulted in civilian deaths as a byproduct, yes). A more reasonable example would be Colombias' FARC or Peru's Sendero Luminoso

[wooden crater]

Could be marketing from Min Heejin

For now it’s pure speculation, we don’t know what’s coming

[vale sierra]

You can't expect a random person to know those things

[past spindle]

what does she think she'll gain from that tho.. how would they incorporate any of this into the song too...

[vale sierra]

You can, however, expect them to know about Nazis

You see why I used it as an example?

Many people didn't know about ETA before this

[wind geyser]

[rose ibex]

so... you dont care about anything besides the shock value in your statement

?

[grizzled coyote]

Gday gday

[vale sierra]

No

[wooden crater]

You disregarded my opinion and everyone else’s opinion way before any insults came your way

[wind geyser]

buenos dias

[keen thorn]

I just really dont see why the comparison in necessary in any way but

[vale sierra]

Earlier today, I was told that it's not serious

[wooden crater]

Play stupid games win stupid prizes

[shadow hedge]

you disregard our opinion because you are spanish

[wooden crater]

No clue, that’s all we know

[shadow hedge]

right

thats great

[grizzled coyote]

uh read pinned msg btw

[shadow hedge]

hooray

[vale sierra]

What's your opinion exactly?

[past spindle]

bruhh i feel so bad for the girls :( just bc of mhj..

[vale sierra]

My opinion is that ETA is bad, and this should be taken seriously. I used Nazism as an example for people to understand that ETA is bad and should be taken seriously.

[shadow hedge]

hmmm, that you are being arrogant

[vale sierra]

What's your opinion?

Is your opinion opposed to mine?

Or is your issue just the fact that I used nazism as an example?

[shadow hedge]

my issue is u

[wind geyser]

oh ikr and i dont give a fuck

[unborn axle]

?

[vale sierra]

This channel isn't for attacking people personally

It's for discussing the ETA issue

[wooden crater]

We’ll see what happens

[quartz elbow]

(to clarify: he's spanish)

[vale sierra]

If you want to attack me, you can do it via DMs

[shadow hedge]

yes but you bring up nazis

[wind geyser]

isnt like they are supporgint a disbanded terr group lmao

[past spindle]

r they promoting it or what

[rose ibex]

no one really knows at this point

[cerulean wagon]

They are sharing that they have an issue with you because they find you arrogant. that’s not a personal attack that’s and observation and personal opinion.

[vale sierra]

Nobody knows

But it's a serious topic

Which is why Ador needs to explain themselves

That's all

[wooden crater]

Again, there’s not enough info, all we know is that there’s substantial info to connect the both

[vale sierra]

That's a personal attack

[past spindle]

oh okk

[wooden crater]

The names did it for me

[vale sierra]

But I'm baffled by how you can think I'm arrogant just because I'm saying ETA is just as bad as nazis

[keen thorn]

I really dont think thats why

[vale sierra]

That's not something you should really be arguing

[wooden crater]

If that’s all you got from that whole conversation you got bigger issues

[vale sierra]

That's all you've been arguing

[cerulean wagon]

And they did. We don’t have the full MV or lyrics so we have to wait till the to see if this develops but rn the official word is that ETA = Estimated Time of Arrival

[vale sierra]

Other than attacking me personally, anyways

[vale sierra]

What about the names?

[wooden crater]

I argued that you’ve been wrong with almost everything you said and your only comeback is “but I’m from Spain you don’t know my pain”

[vale sierra]

I can't be wrong for having a moral opinion

[wooden crater]

Belittling people’s opinions when some of us are also Spanish

[shadow hedge]

[rose ibex]

and neither can he

[vale sierra]

I'm entitled to think that they're just as bad

[cerulean wagon]

As I am saying we have to wait to the full content to make a conclusion about those

[wooden crater]

And you behave like you’re the only one

[vale sierra]

The difference is I'm not the one saying someone else is wrong

[wooden crater]

Your opinion is wrong

Opinions can be wrong

[vale sierra]

I said my opinion, and you're the one saying I'm wrong

[rose ibex]

you are saying someone else is wrong though

that's what a disagreement is

[vale sierra]

.

Am I?

[wooden crater]

Yes, you are wrong

[vale sierra]

That wasn't directed at you

Was directed at sage

Who said that I'm the one saying it

[wooden crater]

Since you love talking about Nazi’s, Hitler’s opinion that Jewish people should be erradicated is also an opinion that is wrong

[vale sierra]

I don't love talking about that

[ornate hinge]

In the real world eta is bad okay

[wooden crater]

Not all opinions deserve to be heard

[cerulean wagon]

And we are entitled to say that your defense of that opinion is arrogant.

[vale sierra]

Having a moral opinion that is beneficial to humanity is arrogant?

Are you sure about that?

[wooden crater]

How is it beneficial to humanity????

[cerulean wagon]

depending on the context, the three letters “eta” are not universally bad in the real world

[wooden crater]

What are you achieving but pissing people off?

[vale sierra]

I'm pissing you off by saying ETA is very very bad?

Seriously?

[buoyant raft]

That's called being sanctimonious

[ornate hinge]

Huh?

[wooden crater]

ETA are not well known outside Spain

[quartz elbow]

Mod closed the thread for a second

[wind geyser]

You know eta is an acronym right?

[quartz elbow]

It's a warning

[vale sierra]

Yup, probably a warning to chill out

[ornate hinge]

I didn’t know what it was until I searched it up, and the names are included in there

[wooden crater]

Probably has something to do with me reporting @vale sierra for being purposely difficult

[rose ibex]

eta (terrorist organization) is unequivocally bad

eta (generic acronym) doesn't carry that inherent connotation outside of spain

[past spindle]

is there a possibility they're spreading awareness(ik probably not but i just need. a little hope 🥲 )

[vale sierra]

Would you like me to report you for insulting me and telling me to shut the fuck up?

[wooden crater]

You insulted me first so go ahead, I was just defending myself

[olive spindle]

The name ETA is not bad cause obviously means that abreviation the thing is that the whole video is suspiciously related to this awful organisation of murderers that caused the pain of thousands of Spaniards

[quartz elbow]

Maybe, or Min Hee-jin did this for a not funny joke

[vale sierra]

Absolutely false. You will not find a single message where I've called you or attacked you.

[past spindle]

id prefer she'd do this to spread awareness but if not shes rlly messedu p

[ornate hinge]

They better

[vale sierra]

I falsely assumed you aren't Spanish, because others aren't, but that's not an insult.

[past spindle]

ik. hopefully

praying 🙏

[ornate hinge]

Somebody getting fired 💀

[quartz elbow]

But I think he took it as you wanted to disregard his opinion because you though he wasn't Spanish

[zinc estuary]

[vale sierra]

I disregarded his opinion due to his attacks, and also lumped him into the group of people earlier saying "It isn't serious"

Because it is serious. Saying it isn't is minimizing it

[shadow hedge]

tbf you disregard all of our opinions

[vale sierra]

I asked for your opinion, and your answer was "my issue is you"

[wooden crater]

I didn’t attack you until you did

[vale sierra]

I asked politely, and was met with an attack

[vale sierra]

Quote my attack, please.

[wooden crater]

You were never polite

[quartz elbow]

I think he said that was because you are being quite aggressive over discussing the matter I don't think it would have been brought up

[vale sierra]

I've been polite the entire time

[wooden crater]

No you haven’t

[vale sierra]

I've not been aggressive. That sounds like you're reading my messages in a different tone in your head.

I'm straightforward with my thoughts, but that's not aggressiveness.

If something is bad, I say it's bad

[grizzled coyote]

That can come across as such

[vale sierra]

People earlier said it's not bad. I assumed due to ignorance, so I compared it to nazism so they'd understand why it's bad.

[hybrid moat]

like genuinely... why do you think she needs marketing like that?

[stable sparrow]

spain L

[prisma lagoon]

So y'all think the comeback is about a Spanish leader thing?

[vale sierra]

Have I cleared it up now?

[rose ibex]

you've been very passive aggressive i must say

[wooden crater]

I come across as aggressive on discord when I’m very nice to people and even I found you aggressive

[shadow hedge]

you cant accept their opinion

[wind geyser]

idk if u get mad for a korean group who use E T A letters for its album you have a big problem. They dont and shouldnt know any acronyms that could referer to terrorist group, name or wtever cause there are A LOT of them, not just usa. Clearly they don't refer to the old terr group here and if u keep seeing it, touch some grass dare

[vale sierra]

Again, sounds like you're reading my messages in a tone different to mine

[keen thorn]

You clearly did not read into all of it

[wooden crater]

I mean, even @quartz elbow is siding w/ me and they aren’t too fond of me (promise I’m throwing no shade)

[vale sierra]

It's not just ETA, it's the names in the "starring Newjeans, Mikel, Maria, Eva"

[keen thorn]

Yea but thats cause he's even less fond of danii

[past spindle]

then what were the names on the poster tho...

[rose ibex]

perhaps you haven't explicitly said "shut up" or "your opinion is invalid", but you have been telling people that they shouldn't be telling you their thoughts because "you're from spain and they're not"

[wooden crater]

That’s how bad you’ve been in comparison

[vale sierra]

They aren't fond of me either

Neither is Adam

[keen thorn]

True

[shadow hedge]

true

[quartz elbow]

I mean yeah we've had our differences but yeah I don't think that should be relevant

[wooden crater]

Well no shit

[vale sierra]

No, I said they cant minimize it

[rose ibex]

first ever interaction back in kep1er cord

[wind geyser]

I have better things than read a stupid convo

[keen thorn]

Then why are you here?

Why do you comment on a topic you do not want to understand

[wooden crater]

I know I know I just wanted to mention it because it goes to show that this person is really bothersome, not meaning to talk trash about you whatsoever

[stable sparrow]

erm they made other references to the organization to be fair

[wind geyser]

bc im bored

[keen thorn]

Touch grass damn

[hybrid moat]

ppl can make comments on the matter whenever they feel like it

[wooden crater]

Did you watch the recent trailer, because my opinion definitely changed since

[stable sparrow]

it’s redundant if they don’t care abt the issue

[wind geyser]

tell me honey wt that is please

[keen thorn]

Sure they can, its just a bit weird when they put other people down over a topic they do not care about at all

[hybrid moat]

they do, they stated their opinion

[keen thorn]

"Honey" Oh they aren't even trying to be serious either

[vale sierra]

Which has been my point this entire time

[stable sparrow]

@hybrid moat

[vale sierra]

It got derailed into arguing about ETA vs Nazism

[keen thorn]

Yeah but you also say your point int he most arrogant way possible so

[vale sierra]

What way was that?

I'll make sure not to do it again

[hybrid moat]

reading this whole thread and making comments about the issue is 2 different things

[hybrid moat]

@wooden crater also answer my question, please

[stable sparrow]

they r calling convos abt the issue stupud idk how well that translates into caring abt the issue but u think whatever u wanna think lol

[vale sierra]

They told people to "touch grass" if they think this is serious/bad

[wooden crater]

Yeah reading the thread is irrelevant

[stable sparrow]

what’s it for then hmmge

[hybrid moat]

yeah and?

[rose ibex]

to be fair most of the thread is this argument now

[keen thorn]

I'll be honest, yeah I understand that this is an issue thats probably closer to you than majority of people here, but still, the way you discuss it and say your opinions just kinda comes across as you putting down others peoples opinions because they are not as closely related to it as you

[wind geyser]

they? poor man low iq and bad eyesight

[wooden crater]

Idk, but Cookie panned out pretty well for her, guess she’s trying to test limits?

[rose ibex]

reading the pinned is all that you need to do to get any concept

[stable sparrow]

what…??

[vale sierra]

Don't take this wrong, but you weren't here earlier. Unless you backread a looooot of messages

But I repeated several times that "I understand people who aren't Spanish may not know about this, which is why I'm explaining about it"

[hybrid moat]

okay, if we think that cookie is controversial. why does she need to do that 2nd time? like what's her ultimate goal?

[vale sierra]

And that's genuine

[keen thorn]

I've been reading most of it yes

[wooden crater]

Most of the thread for the last hour has been bitching and irrelevant questions/arguments, this person might be a bit rude but they are giving their opinion on the matter at hand and there’s nothing wrong in that, no need to scroll through thousands of irrelevant texts

[wooden crater]

How should I know 😂

[past spindle]

why would they feel the need to make a song abt a terrorist group tho. like ik korea isnt very educated unfortunately but you would need to do some kind of research to have that concept and thye dont find anything wrong with that?

[vale sierra]

I'm not belittling people who aren't Spanish. I'm saying I understand they may not know, because barely anyone outside of Spain knows

[keen thorn]

I just feel like the comparison to nazis was really not necessary whatsoever, I have enough faith in people to read what they did and understand that what they did is horrible

[shadow hedge]

why are u asking a person that doesnt know what ador is thinking LMAO

[wooden crater]

But getting NewJeans to get bigger and bigger outside of Korea seems one of those things

[vale sierra]

I agree that most people should, but people earlier weren't

[wooden crater]

Bringing awareness to ETA could be another thing

[vale sierra]

Just like this Seul person right now is also saying it isn't serious

[wooden crater]

Which could be cool if it pans out that way

[stable sparrow]

snoozefest

[vale sierra]

That was my reason for comparing it

[keen thorn]

Well I'm gonna be real I dont think this seul person is being too serious

[hybrid moat]

then your reasoning is nothing but pure speculation and conspiring only for the sake of raising trouble

[keen thorn]

Which is kinda sad considering the topic at hand

[vale sierra]

I honestly don't know if they are, but that was my reason for the comparison

[rose ibex]

well this seul person isnt being anything anymore

[quartz elbow]

I think i've read the same exact messages again and again for the past 20 mins

[cerulean wagon]

also reading all the lore about the teaser n shit is kinda hard cuz people are throwing around so many different names and facts rn so people can participate in this thread if they aren’t fully informed yet. It’s not always particularly productive but this space shouldn’t be gate-kept because it’s all theorizing at the end of the day.

[wooden crater]

Just take the 2nd line off that and you got your answer

[quartz elbow]

GG EZ

[hybrid moat]

like literally. linking newjeans to a terrorist org is an ultimate move to kill their careers. why would they do that?

[wooden crater]

I’m just basing myself off min heejin’s past

[keen thorn]

Who knows

[wooden crater]

She likes being particularly edgy

[vale sierra]

That's why this requires an explanation

[shadow hedge]

broo why are u asking us like that as if we know everything

[vale sierra]

Because the links are there

[rose ibex]

i think it is rhetorical

[hybrid moat]

it doesn't if you would just think logically and critically

[quartz elbow]

[hybrid moat]

they have literally no reason to do that

[vale sierra]

Just like Yoon, I may be biased because I'm from Spain

[keen thorn]

I'm just hoping they'll release some sort of statement and HOPEFULLY its not just your standard "coincidence guys, our bad."

[vale sierra]

But I can't not see the link

[wooden crater]

Min Heejin doesn’t always act with reason

Why would she sexualize minors from day 1?

[muted mica]

[shadow hedge]

huh

[wooden crater]

We don’t know what she wants

[quartz elbow]

Ok what now

[shadow hedge]

wtf u r saying

[wooden crater]

Cookie

[hybrid moat]

you paint her like an ultimate super villain, it's so funny

[vale sierra]

I mean, I don't know about that

[quartz elbow]

What is bro cooking

[hybrid moat]

EVIL MHJ IS UPON US.....

[vale sierra]

I'm just gonna stick to the ETA topic

[wooden crater]

I’m just saying she gets a bit too edgy at times

[cerulean wagon]

I can respect that at least

[rose ibex]

artists often do when unrestricted

[hybrid moat]

ok but there's a line between being edgy and linking your group, who's not even a 1 old, who has multiple brands deals, and has a reputation to uphold tp a terrorist org

[vale sierra]

We don't have the answer, Ador does

We just want the answer

[ornate hinge]

On why

why this

[wooden crater]

Again, it’s speculation, we don’t know what she’s cooking

But there’s enough proof to reasonably believe she did

[hybrid moat]

and the answer is simple. they had no reason to do that, so the issue is non-existent

[vale sierra]

I can't accept that, unfortunately

[hybrid moat]

that proof will always fall apart like a house of cards

[vale sierra]

[hybrid moat]

that's on you

[wooden crater]

You don’t know that

You defending her like she’s your family or something

Kinda cringe tbh

[hybrid moat]

and you know for sure that there's enough concrete proof?

[vale sierra]

ETA + Mikel, Maria, Eva is enough

[hybrid moat]

nope

it's literally names

[wooden crater]

I know that there’s enough proof to reasonably believe there might be a connection

[vale sierra]

DONT TAKE THIS WRONG, but to me that's like "Reach" + Adolf, Himmler, Anne

[hybrid moat]

and eta is an abbreviation

[wooden crater]

Those 3 names are way too specific to not mean anything

[vale sierra]

If you saw this, you'd be like "wtf?????"

[muted mica]

[vale sierra]

I see this and I'm like "wtf???????"

[ornate hinge]

They did not come from nowhere😭

[wooden crater]

ETA + those names + the car scene makes ETA no longer have the same meaning

[vale sierra]

Basically

[rose ibex]

it's enough to say there's at least some awareness of the case

[vale sierra]

You see why I use the example kngaman?

[hybrid moat]

you can't compare apples with oranges

[wooden crater]

No

[vale sierra]

Some people don't understand the gravity of ETA+those names+the car

[wooden crater]

There’s many other ways

[vale sierra]

What's another way

[wooden crater]

Going very in detail of what eta is who those 3 people are and who they killed

[hybrid moat]

the bunny is literally driving the car, the song's name ETA (do i need to spell out the abbreviation?), how are you even linking these things

[wooden crater]

Not comparing it to something that is irrelevant

[vale sierra]

Because I've explained and they still dont understand

[wooden crater]

Of course the bunny is driving, yeah, they’re not gonna have an ETA leader driving with a bomb on top of the car

[shadow hedge]

you just explained it like this

[wooden crater]

That would be too in your face, min heejin is far more subtle

[vale sierra]

And they say "no it's not"

[shadow hedge]

where are the explanations about the names

[vale sierra]

Hours ago

[wooden crater]

But nevertheless understandable

[hybrid moat]

i do understand, it's just your reasoning is flawed. you're trying to find the issue when there's none and grasping at straws to hold your narrative

[vale sierra]

I explained who Mikel Antza is, that his wife Maria and him were leaders of ETA

And Eva was one victim of the thousands

[past spindle]

i cant find anything abt his wifes name :l

[vale sierra]

You can search in my message history

[hybrid moat]

and as i said, there's 8 diff mikels in that org. for it to be a reference, they would have to spell his last name at least

[vale sierra]

Here, his wikipedia page, it's in Spanish, Pareja means partner

[past spindle]

Oh

[hybrid moat]

it's literally on the drawing man

[stable sparrow]

there’s kinda too much reference for it to be just a coincidence tbh

[vale sierra]

Yup

[past spindle]

i kinda agree ..

[vale sierra]

But people don't understand that, so I used an example

[balmy dune]

I searched and nowhere there's a mention of this name

[vale sierra]

I'll translate

[balmy dune]

maybe cause my Google is in English I guess

[wooden crater]

You’re trying too hard to defend Min Heejin, neither you or me know her true goal

[hybrid moat]

that bc you and some of the other is already convinced

[stable sparrow]

mikel and maria tho???

[vale sierra]

"Eva is the daughter of Jose Txiki Larrañaga, who ETA assassinated on the day of New years eve"

[stable sparrow]

no i mean, ETA and the name of the leader and his wife???

that doesn’t sound like a coincidence 😭

[vale sierra]

Google aglorithm weird, but it does appear for me

elpais, btw, is one of Spains largest newspapers

[wooden crater]

Again, no need to keep justifying yourself, you were wrong and you still are wrong

[hybrid moat]

i said about the bunny thing and you're making it back to MHJ lol

[wooden crater]

Bunny thing is irrelevant

[rose ibex]

i think eva is just a random name but the other two are definitely a bit ... suspicious

[wooden crater]

The core of everything NJ is min heejin

[vale sierra]

I think I'm fine, but thanks

[rose ibex]

by a bit suspicious i mean whoever made it had some knowledge about at the very least the existence of the group

[hybrid moat]

ETA has already been cleared. those 3 names are just names. it was a big org, you can probably make a thousand connections like that

[past spindle]

what would mhj gain from this concept besides hate lol

[stable sparrow]

of the leader of the organization and his wife tho? they weren’t just anyone

[hybrid moat]

it is relevant when you're the one trying to say that the car in connected

[vale sierra]

One of the biggest leaders?

Too much to just be "any name"

[wooden crater]

Those 3 names are not just names when put together

[vale sierra]

They couldve put Bruno, Juan and Jennifer

Wouldve meant nothing then

[stable sparrow]

yeah any spanish name 😭

[wooden crater]

@vale sierra your time to shine, what was your 3 name example earlier

[vale sierra]

And those are just random names i thought of on the spot

[hybrid moat]

exactly and you would still link them to the spanish eta

[balmy dune]

we don't know the context of the names yet, they could just be actor names or something?

[stable sparrow]

no it’s not the same tho

[vale sierra]

No, because they don't have those links with eta

[wooden crater]

No, we wouldn’t, because those names mean nothing

[past spindle]

yes but the fact that the song name is eta and thats the name of the terrorist group ... yk.. but idk

[stable sparrow]

they didn’t put just any name, is what im trying to say

[hybrid moat]

did you check? again, it was a big org, you know that yourself. you can literally sit here all day, making millions of names combinations

[wooden crater]

Imagine I make a song named WW2 and the names I choose are Stallin, Hitler and Mussolini

[rose ibex]

the link is made specifically because of the leader's name, which is a rare spelling of the name as well

[stable sparrow]

ok but they’re not just any names that’s what we’re trying to say, it’s the leader and his wife

[vale sierra]

They were Basque, and Basque people have Basque names

[hybrid moat]

hmmmm it's almost too similar to our names on the teaser........

[balmy dune]

yeah I get that the link is there obviously but we shouldn't really rule out the fact that this is a 5 second teaser lol and we don't actually know what the names are, they were filming in Spain/Portugal right so it's possible based on what I said /gen

[vale sierra]

Mikel is a Basque name

It's not a common name outside of Basque country

[wooden crater]

No they are not, and by saying that you are being racist if I may add

[past spindle]

idk they could be spreading awarness abt the entier situation but idk hopeufully

[vale sierra]

And by "not common" I mean like... Barely anyone

[balmy dune]

ofc I'm not denying that it's a strange coincidence just trynna put the idea out there

[vale sierra]

People keep saying "there's about 8 mikels in ETA"

[rose ibex]

they filmed attention in spain last year, portugal this year

[vale sierra]

That's because ETA is Basque

[hybrid moat]

again, taking to the consideration the fact that in the org there were like 8 diff mikals, we can assume that it's a common name

[vale sierra]

The rest of Spain is not Basque

[cerulean wagon]

U mean like thousands of people?

[stable sparrow]

ok but mikel and maria????

aka the leader and his WIFE?????

why are you ignoring the biggest thing

[hybrid moat]

you keep coming up with these personality treats to me, it's entertaining

[vale sierra]

Within Basque country? Yes

Outside of Basque country? No

[wooden crater]

That’s such a weird and non sensical take

[vale sierra]

Basque country is not Spain

Like, yes it's part of Spain

But it doesnt represent Spain

[maiden nimbus]

its hard to explain

[vale sierra]

Mikel, like Iñaki, Itziar, Zuriñe, etc, is a Basque name

Unique to Basque people

If you meet someone called Mikel, you'd assume they're Basque

[rose ibex]

its a dialect thats only spoken in a small amount of the country, its not like its just another term for spanish

[cerulean wagon]

There have been a few thousand registered Mikels in the US in the last 20 years. That’s just one other country.

[wooden crater]

Basque Country people don’t always like being considered Spanish as well

[vale sierra]

South Americans have a lot of Spanish names due to reasons

Cultural reasons

[wooden crater]

Irrelevant fact

[cerulean wagon]

Colonisation 💀

[vale sierra]

Like Brazilians have exotic names due to rebelling against an oppressive government decades ago

[vale sierra]

Yup

But like kngaman said, that's irrelevant

[cerulean wagon]

So maybe Mikel isn’t even basque in this context then

[vale sierra]

The point here is: they went to Spain/Portugal, they called the song ETA, then named 3 prominent known names related to ETA

[cerulean wagon]

.

[wooden crater]

Wrong

[vale sierra]

And placed a car in the teaser, and cars are VERY related to ETA

[wooden crater]

In this context it can only be basque

[vale sierra]

Yup

[rose ibex]

mikel is one of the more common basque names as it's a variant of michael. but that doesn't mean it's a common spelling in and of itself.

[maiden nimbus]

i think understanding the context is rlly important to dictate if the names are basque or not lol

[vale sierra]

Yeah, it's difficult to understand, but Mikel is Basque in this situation

[wooden crater]

Doesn’t seem like our friend here cares much about the context

[vale sierra]

It's not Spanish, just Basque

[maiden nimbus]

lets have a pacific convo and not acuse anyone

[wooden crater]

Because none of their responses make me think that they understand anything of what’s going on

[wooden crater]

I’m being pacific, but our friend here is not really trying to have a sensical conversation, throwing out facts that make no sense in this context

So I’d thought it’d be best to continue the conversation knowing that

[wraith bronze]

damn

[vale sierra]

See this is where I say, I'm Spanish, so I know that Mikel is Basque

And I'd understand if someone who isn't Spanish wouldnt know that

[ocean nest]

where u get the alien from

[prisma knoll]

What did I miss?

[desert hound]

i feel like people that arent from spain dont have a say in it.

but i get what all of you guys are saying , but ETA probably just means Estimated Time of Arrival. but the names were so unnecessary

[lunar seal]

EXACTLY

the names is making everything worse

[desert hound]

omg hyein noticed me 😜😜😜 but i tote agree its the names that are so like random

if the names werent there no one would have said anything

[vale sierra]

I said this before, but I joked with a friend about it being named ETA cos haha

Until I saw the names, then it was like

https://tenor.com/view/oop-gif-20488124

Literally this reaction

[lunar seal]

PLS and yeah 😭😭

[lunar seal]

EXACTLY

[vale sierra]

It's not the girls, and that isn't what we're saying

It's Ador's fault, they made the song

Oh yeah... Those people... No helping them

[near zenith]

wait what names

oh

the leader, victim and someone else right

[vale sierra]

and the wife of the leader, yeah

[sage dragon]

When I heard cookie for the first time, I was jamming to it without really knowing the context or like deep diving into the lyrics...till someone of course on the internet or several people made sure everyone to know the lyrics was an innuendo, but I'm like they just destroyed my innocent brain because of that. Then the girls themselves talked about the cookie song that they are actually singing about making cookies and giving it to the bunnies, but the damage was done by these people who are just making things up just to give hate to the group.

[tepid spruce]

It's okayy.. same here 🥲

[prisma knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/hyein-lee-hyein-newjeans-hyein-gif-26291636

Is that the leader?

[tepid spruce]

At least now we know the actual meaning of cookie, if people still want to be stubborn and still believe it's smth else.. let them be..

[prisma knoll]

[sage dragon]

[mild pulsar]

there's a thread on twt made by a basque person speaking on this eta thing, has it been shared here??

[cerulean wagon]

there are several threads from many different ppl abt this on twt so idk which one ur talking about, but i think you can share it??

[mild pulsar]

https://twitter.com/shantuiworld/status/1673127097512886274?t=Ldry1naUj09-xwuxW1eEeA&s=09

zero 👹 应许之地 (@shantuiworld)

a small analysis of new jeans' controverted new comeback title from the pov of a basque studies undergraduate and a basque born person — thread [PART 1/2]

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Twitter · Jun 26, 2023, 12:32 AM

this one!!

it's sort of long but from what i've seen it's very educative

[tranquil otter]

i read some of it

i think before saying anything in this chat educate yourself first before speaking out rationally

[mild pulsar]

i agree!!

[tepid spruce]

Well saidd

[tranquil otter]

im reading a bit on it aswell but we all have different political beliefs so

[balmy dune]

I read it all but it seems to coincide with what I thought myself, of course I'm not spanish so I can't really say anything but I did some research as best as I could find

[tranquil otter]

hard to find common ground

my take is just its a weird choice min heejin very weird choice

[balmy dune]

honestly agree, it seems that it could be coincidental but also seems very suspicious at the same time, but it is strange that some people jumped so quickly on it, when (as an English speaker) ETA has always meant Estimated Time of Arrival for most of the past decade

[tepid spruce]

Like the tweet said, the coincidences are too many... wspecially with the names and such, but don't speculate too much

[tranquil otter]

yeah but it seems like min heejin likes to do this to possibly stir the part as a marketing tool but thats like worst case scenario

[tepid spruce]

But yea.. i just know it's a very very odd decision

[tranquil otter]

but thats like evil but again i dont know her or what they got over there

[balmy dune]

I did read a tweet like that idk if I can send it here tho

[tranquil otter]

its probably just about her past stuff

if im assuming

[tepid spruce]

I even thought the names were some famous artists of the place they filmed the mv at

Didn't know it was smth sinister

Or.. allegedly sinister

[unborn oracle]

ETA is the name of the song and the 3 spanish names are the names of the actors.

You know what's weird? People talking about terrorism in a discord dedicated to a cute kpop girl group making cute kpop music that has nothing to do with terrorism.

[tepid spruce]

That's the sad part 🥲

[balmy dune]

I don't suspect much myself obviously, it does seem like it's been spread as misinformation as a kind of attack on newjeans but who knows I can't really tell ppl they're wrong or right if I don't know myself lol

[tepid spruce]

I like to say we should stick to our beliefs for now until the mv comes put, but also be respectful and be sensitive to those who are affected by it greatly

Out**

[tranquil otter]

the eta thing kinda has to deal with terroism but idk i read up on it but my opinion doesn’t matter in this sense

[valid vessel]

Min Heejin's ambiguity is enough to make any argument plausible so we shouldn't choose a side immediately

We should just wait for the MV to come out

I've heard that the names are just supposed to be biblical ince some of the members in the ASAP teasers r angels but I'm not sure

Nothing has been confirmed yet but PR is a thing and companies are capable of lying I suggest we take everything ADOR says with a grain of salt and that goes for the allegations aswell

I hate anyone that is using this as hate fuel for Newjeans but I'm not going to dismiss the concerns of Spanish kpoppies either

[near raptor]

thats honestly scary

[balmy dune]

I have a genuine question if any Spanish person but like others can input as well would be able to answer, is this group a well known thing only in Spain or is it a thing that is widely known because I would've been too young during the time to know? I feel like that has some sort of relevance /gen

[mild pulsar]

apparently eta attacks were also made in france/portugal, as a portuguese person i've heard of them at least once 😭 but from what i've seen most people weren't aware of it

[balmy dune]

I think it may just be a byproduct of newjeans having such a global fan base because I don't think most ppl would've been able to make that connection unless they were from those countries where they were affected

ofc not discrediting anything cause its a serious thing that happened just a thought

[unborn oracle]

imagine making up stories and then getting angry at the stories YOU made up

[drowsy spruce]

Imagine stories? Girl, ETA was A REAL GROUP, that committed t3rr0rr1sm, killing 850 victims in the process, almost 2,300 injured, and the whole country was affected, and you saying that is invented? Please think what will you say before writing it.

There are A LOT of coincidences of NWJS and ETA allegations, don´t invalid real problems to defend an idol group, I opened this debate bcs im worried abt the girls being hatred, and Min Heejin's diabolic way of promoting, this happened with Cookie, and now this?

Ador had to clear Cookie's name because people were so confused, you know that this industry loves gaslighting their consumers by " Putting cute messages to the songs " when its clearly another meaning, so please like I said, don´t invalid their company bad actions just saying " But their company said that ", you will never know their real intentions.

[late cave]

all imma say is that when the MV comes out and it has nothing to do with the whole situation i wonder wht kpop stans are gonna do then

[ocean nest]

oh ok

[ocean nest]

is confused

[muted mica]

checked pinned

[tepid spruce]

Whatever is happening i hope the Korean authorities are secretly looking into this cause.. i really want this comeback to succeed

[balmy dune]

what I'm seeing is spanish ppl are making fun of others about this 😭

[tepid spruce]

If i can empathise with them, i can tell it's really really sensitive tbf.. :/

[ocean nest]

tbh im js waiting for tthe persons typing reply bc theyve been typing for 15 mins

[balmy dune]

chat is in slow mode so they're probably trying to write a comprehensive sentence lol

[ocean nest]

oop maybe

[cerulean wagon]

yeah lol it's def not the entire concept of the comeback worst case it's one MV... but better to have a discussion after release rather than speculate now. if they don't clarify what they mean with the names and car in the full MV i can see a reason people would be personally concerned or offended. but like teasers aren't meant to reveal everything

there is also a case to be concerned about intentionally triggering marketing tactics in the teaser but again, that will be easier to review when the full product is out.

[balmy dune]

btw you should read this

[tepid spruce]

I think i mentioned in this thread alr, NIS would probably be probing this alr in secret

My typo.. oops.. 0_0

[balmy dune]

I also heard that it's purposeful misinformation that was spread by one person and they've deleted their account after it got picked up by others

can't find any proof to confirm that tho

[tepid spruce]

If it were determined to be a threat, news would probably come up before this.. i could be wrong but.. that's my 2 cents

[ocean nest]

yeahh

[balmy dune]

(take what i say with a grain of salt btw cause this hasn't directly affected me so i cant speak on that front)

imo there's just too much coincidence, all of this is based on a like 7 second teaser, many spanish ppl say it is linked to the group but many also say it's not. From MY understanding, based on what i know as an english speaker as well, ETA has meant Estimated Time of Arrival since texting has been a thing, and this is obviously targeted at ppl who know internet abbreviations.

The names do kinda of seem worrying BUT they were filming in Spain/Portugal so it's 1000% possible that those are actors they hired from there. Someone did say Mikel is a rare name but honestly, ppl move around and take their culture with them, the internet exists, it's unlikely that that name would be used in ONLY one place in spain with the access to travel and info we have. I personally have met ppl named Maria and Eva.

Also the car link is very coincidental. ETA (estimated time of arrival) is usually associated with driving anyways and many songs talk about those 2 things linked.

And my last point, this seems like it is not a well known organisation outside that area of europe, so it seems unlikely that all the way in korea they'd be aware of it.

**I'm DEFINITELY NOT saying ppl can't be upset about it because it is a serious topic where ppl were hurt ** but in this case it does seem like a stretch

sorry if it's long it might take a while to read 😭

[desert hound]

im sure people from spain have heard of it but didn't think much of it due to the attacks being close by.

[gusty jacinth]

This goes the other way, how do you know thats it's their real intention to bring up ETA the terrorists and not the usual meaning

[balmy dune]

yeah true. imo, for cookie, they can get away with the double meaning accusation (not that they should've really), in this case it's a VERY serious topic which seems just very very very insensitive to just put into a song teaser

[scenic narwhal]

idk how i feel about the eta comeback considering the names

i don’t want to unstan new jeans but this is really fcked up

[balmy dune]

please use your own research and dont let other people's information sway your opinions. it's really important given the situation. /gen

[scenic narwhal]

cookie wasn’t too bad considering it could be a misinterpretation but this is really not cool

[tepid spruce]

^^^

[scenic narwhal]

im not using people’s information ive done my own reasearch

there’s literal evidence

[balmy dune]

it's just speculation for now, teaser is 10 seconds, nothing is confirmed by 3 names

[tepid spruce]

If you want to still stan new jeans, by all means please do! Im still stanning them as members, but know you don't have to support Ador as a company for their actions

[opal belfry]

I read all the speculation,there are no consistent in the narrative at all

[mighty vessel]

omgg what is this

[scenic narwhal]

but there’s literal evidence that the names are connected to the t3rroism

im not blaming the members

[opal belfry]

only the third name is what people base on ...

the other two is way to common ...

[balmy dune]

#1122682208088510474 message pls read, it may be helpful but your opinion is just as valid as mine

[scenic narwhal]

it’s still weird that those 3 names r being used

[scenic narwhal]

it’s not rlly an opinion if it’s backed with evidence

[opal belfry]

lol, they are speculation, evidence ?

[balmy dune]

as i said, it's speculation, pulling 3 names from somewhere is not considered conclusive evidence imo

[scenic narwhal]

it seems like u have no idea what the situation is abt

im not abt to pretend that is a coincidence

this is a serious issue

[balmy dune]

unfortunately i do, it's something i could've very easily avoided and now i'm trying my best to help ppl understand so it's not blasted out of proportion and harms anyone

[scenic narwhal]

then how come you’re denying what i’m saying

[balmy dune]

i'm not denying but based on what i've looked into, it's all coincidental

[opal belfry]

look like you clearly not know how heavy those accusation, the group can be disbard if this is correct.

[gusty jacinth]

all circumstantial rn

[opal belfry]

so unless there is hard evidence, it is all circumstantial

[gusty jacinth]

and as you said, "speculation"

[balmy dune]

yeah it's not "definitive"

[gusty jacinth]

speculation <> facts

[scenic narwhal]

it’s definitely not a coincidence those names r literally connected to the t3rroist group

[opal belfry]

this is very different than cookie because in cookie, people have all the same conclusion