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@hot onyx u still here?
also avrl is another example
@cunning patrol @treeko
Mn3 sojourn has been rlly bad sadly
Suygetsu back today
Russ has been heavily underperforming this LAN
I also think that
Mn3 being a widow specialist
Was tough for him
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does some work on map 3 while Belosrea whiffs like 3 primals
not too much work though as this was more of a ZEST game
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Kings row he did well yeah
third map pop off and exchanging blows on second map with Lip
I remember that game
Not at all
That map is very defense widow sided so it’s kinda just whoever did better on defense
Circuit Royale was literally "defence = win"
Yeah
This map btw is zest just going nuclear
yes ZEST has shown more carry potential than MN3
this seasonb
but ZEST is more used to playing with dogwater
as seen by his stint on OZ Gaming
This isn’t a good map from mn3
Like it’s not bad
Him and shy are even so far
Unless he does better on defense
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another gibraltar
mn3 here was invisible for most of the map
"MN3 didn't get a 3k every fight so he is worse than Carp"
??
i literally did not even bring up carpe at any point here
we're discussing mn3
not carpe
look at the team that is supporting him
they were rolling
both of them
and mn3 is still invis and going even with shy who is getting rolled
the fact that you try to randomly bring up shit like this as some type of argument is literally just proof that you are completely incapable of producing any other valid point
and are just trying to win through cheap tactics
just because ZEST is the one in the killfeed doesn't make MN3 invisible
its sad really
at what point in this discussion did i say that
like literally at what point in this entire convo
granted an hour ago but it was said
what
no it wasnt lol
i said im a carpe fan
because i am
hes my favorite player
but mn3 is the one we're discussing
and at no point in this entire convo did i say carpe is better than mn3
because thats not what we're discussing
alright i admit fault for that
Mn3 did good
but i wont admit fault for paying attention to more than the killfeed
like Legday on the Valiant game after FiXa holds left click and gets a couple of 2ks proceeding to say FiXa is the most consistent player on the Fusion
Lol
I mean
He’s consistently horrible
Ok that map was good from mn3
You’ve sent 2
If u wanna count that circuit royale ad a good map from mn3
Idk
Lmfao
Also that spark map wasn’t good from him idk how u can argue that
It wasn’t bad
no but like he wasn't invisble
mans doing his best with the resources he is working with
can't pop off every time
there's also one on eichenwalde where he popped off on cass at second point defence overtime
Infinite space?
I mean that is literally my whole point
Invis for a whole map outside of a crazy pop off
What map
i mean his non dps team mates are on the same level as their counterparts
Agree
He’s playing good on Ashe from what I’ve seen but I could link u more maps where he does air outside of 1 pop off fight
go ahead
mn3 fluctuates from worst hard hs in apac to best
his entire team is crazy inconsistent
but best is rare
it's like Fits on the 2020 Dynasty
he needs a good stable team to bring out the best of his capabilities
Fits was always good
yes he was
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he just couldn't showcase it as much with Marve1 off tank, Gesture Tobercy otp and Bdosin
maps where he plays soldier don't count
He did pretty bad this match imho
his soldier is ass and i do not hide that fact
This finals was a blur, I can't remember what team comps were going on
Agree
Mn3 is inconsistent and surrounded by horrible players
arguably worst in the region at times
Which is why I say he is low A tier
Which for his performances this year is generous imho
Agree
or heck even Defiant
his professional prowess would be showcased on another level
I mean, put Fusion dps line on Fuel and its the best team in the league
Defiant 
I like how they've improved, but not how little hope I have in them in winning a tournament
If they had good players
This is true for every good team with a weak point
Fusion isn't a good team though 
Put so and so on already good team in place of their worst players and said team is insane!!
I was talking about fuel
ah ok
holy
I would make a brilliant general manager
for Fusion
sorry brainstorm but
trade FiXa and Belosrea to Uprising in exchange for Faith
U give me a GM position
alongside some cash
For spark and I’m making team cc come back to life
so they can go the mixed route
My problem is that they do have good players, but their performance has not made be go "hotba is better than Sado2L"
so basically
Shy Diya AlphaYi Innovation LiGe GA9A [redacted] Irony and Farway?
which ms does Spark take
Unique
yeah he needs to face some real competition
Agree
Crimzo faith is at least 5x better than aimgod fixa
unless it is a zen bap meta i agree
If it’s zen bap they have mcd crimzo
Faith probably
Plays bap better than fixa
Aimgod would’ve been solid as a 2nd fs
still can be
Nobody to sign
For 2nd fs rn
The best option was ho1 but nyxl weren’t rocking with that
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there will be next szn
trust me, Defiant or Justice will implode and Fusion will get their mits on Twilight or Vigilante
I hope justice implodes so pre gets fired
and Sup7eme
Agree
Faith Vigilante Aimgod sounds like a sound support line
agree
Clestyn would be the off tank for sure
because they are fools that hear the name Fury and think about seasons 1-3 instead of watching a single season 4 vod
Like imagine telling anyone from before the offszn that the only t1 player to not make it was clestyn
Clestyn should be on a team like Seoul rn
Agree
They would be a superteam with that
Clestyn is probably better than void is rn
agree
They would own shanghai
they already own Shanghai but they would own them more with that option
They played during the time Shanghai were shit
qualifiers was when Shanghai were on an uprising
3-1
then first tourney round was 3-2 before they lost 2-3
in the semis
2-2
Idk why Seoul didn't sign clestyn yet
Arnold said he was gonna
Sign another tank
But like smurfs doing fine so ig I don't mind
Agree
Ange1 is being weird rn
unretired just to lose to rushvival again is pretty cool but ggs going back to retirement just hate losing when i can show more but oh well
Lmfaoooo
At this point it just feels like he's crying on Twitter
Came out of retirement and lost a game guess I need to retire now 
Bro is that gator complaining again
pack watch
Jokes btw
Yeah
would of been perfect for atl
How
cause he can complain
Love my team though. They do the edgy eboys thing very well lol
I see
I wish they’d embrace the bad guys narrative a little more but I can understand why they wouldn’t wanna do that
Gator had the most mild trash talk known to man
And the entire community harrassed him
For a solid week
Not worth it ow community mentally challenged imo
Oh yeah no for sure. But gatekeepers to villains of the league would just be the perfect owl anime arc right?
You know what is funny
Our rookies seem pretty based though so the shenanigans will prolly stop
Atl did the same thing they did vs london
Against toronto
In s3
But no one cared
For that one lol
Well Toronto wasn’t 0-10
They got mad
GTor bm’ed the shock in his first owl match and no one cared. But it’s what made me become a fan
Also its not the NFT stuff that makes people hate gator
Because
Reinforce
Still well liked
Individual
To be fair, they dived us outside of our spawn doors. They asked for it
That is often an excuse i see from gator hators
Agree
shao washed confirmed?
No
😱
ange1
doing a good play
wow
thats insane
feel like trexx
shouldve went out of smoke other side
leo is SO CRINGE
i respect it
SUYGETSU
WHAT ARE YOU DOING
@cunning patrol U SEEING THIS WAFIWA
SUYGETSU
MY GOAT
WHAT IS HE DOING
They’re down numbers
In a 1v1
Lmao yeah suygetsu is the goat no question about it
He thought he could beat the fade to crossing
Leo is peeking cuz he can’t watch two angles at the same time
he literally knows
Lmao if they lost that round suygetsu would’ve gone and drop kicked his team no doubt
And by playing in backsite there are two places to watch
he's on the left
By not peeking you give him the option to push either
On the left of site and then you give him the entire site by not peeking so then he has space to push either side of backsite
u can see where he is without committing to the spray
You have to 50/50 a peek from one door
He had no space
tf u mean
Leo had no space
He was stuck backsite
so?
So he could get pushed from either door
and ardiis could also get peeked from either door
i dont see your point
its easier for the person backsite
especially if ardiis only had an op
sadge
Ardiis is at an advantage if you peek and at an advantage if you don’t
You have to 50/50 a swing from a door
And leo has an infinite amount of angles to check when peeking
Ardiis has two
and its easier to see where ardiis is on site
Leo has no space by letting him get on site he could be anywhere
You can’t peek then
You can’t wait cuz he will push you from two different angles
he was stuck stairs
By peeking
u just dont peek an op
You have to peek
no you dont
You can’t give him the entire site
By jump peeking?
Leo should’ve just clicked on his head
Because you want to jump peek every single angle possible
Are you?
u literally know where he is
Only if you peek
nah nah
You do realize
unreal brain
why doesn't his teammate flash him in?
u can peek
or molly the position?
without dying to op
you know ardiis
By jump peeking
has to hold right
???
well
He doesn’t have to gold
he can also
dont dry peek an awper
He has chamber op
are u stupid
You have to
this person is so dumb
?????
He shoulda played dice sadly
When you have no space
Exactly
yeah when you have no space sure if it is a desparate situation
Playing backsite gives you no space
Agree
That’s exactly the situation
Dice after the first chamber shot woulda been fine
Yea
what does dice mean
That’s very winnable for leo
The comm
playing chance
The default plant spot
oh yes
The three boxes
Because they’re boxes
dice do not come in 3
dry peeking op same angle
do the boxes look like dice
Also idk why ange1
It was a 50/50
That was the only time it would be a 50/50
Like just retake together fools
It was
ardiis knew he was gonna peak there
Either ardiis was holding the same door or the other door
He can’t wait and let ardiis on site
if he swings right away ardiis knows theres only one door that hes gonna swing from
easiest shot of his life
There is two doors
I did
theres no way he moves to the other door
with the timing that he swings
it was so obvious
Rewatch it again
He waited long enough for the swing from the other door to happen
Leo misplayed when he planted the bomb and saw that ardiis wasn’t on site with the q
Should’ve played at an off angle and not gone backsite
If I’m Leo I’m making it to lane with relative ease 🤷
If he gets to lane the game is won easily btw
There’s no way you try to play backsite there
This I agree
But he did not wait long enough
I mean ya the spike was placed perfectly there for spam from boathouse too
For the possibility of the other door swing
He did
He didn't
Agree
TBH
Lane in general
U would have to make noise
Problem is that you still have to watch if ardiis pushes that instead
U just hold ur lane peak and if u hear bomb tap u own him
If u lose to the op swing it’s just unfortunate
Wait these kids are on yoru wtf
If he misses the first shot he dies anyways
Even if it's chamber ult
Leo doesn't whiff those
If he loses the only LAN game he gets to play on his birthday
Lmfao
That would be tragic
Actual birthday buff
Shut up
This is an elimination
Game
And it is the first game he has gotten to play in
Cuz of visa
visa???
he is fromt he same continent as the tournament bro
he can just like
take the train across the border
I think what he meant to say is it would be tragic if the only lan game suygetsu gets to play is on his birthday
why they play it then
Idk
are they more shit on other maps?
why didnt they ban
actualy i hve no idea how the pick & ban works
Idk what maps they banned
I didn’t even see the map pools
Wait they banned haven and icebox??
these guys are kinda getting rolled
@devout path I thought fpx haven was pretty good
They banned haven
Yeah why
AnSoonJae on Talon 
Idk why they banned haven
Maybe they think guild is rlly good on haven
They were probably thinking they had a counterstrat for breeze
Sayf does sayf things on bind
yeesh man
lets see these mid map adaptations
The game is over
mental reset map 3
Hopefully they can reset mental
Fpx have a better chance at making to grands than guild tbh
I think guild
Wait do they play the same comps
On bind?
Yeah
Thought so
Well actually
You can play either
Brim viper skye fade chamber
Or like brim skye fade chamber raze
I think
Cuz fns plays viper
Raze fade is so good
And crashies plays skye
Marved brim
Crashies skye
Yay
Victor raze
Fns viper
They should play fade imo
Fade so good on bind/any map with raze
It’s astra 2
IDK
Or they don’t play raze
Viper is rlly good
They also played northeption so idk
I wanna play fade but you also rlly wanna play everyone else
Wtf fpx comeback INC
Suygetsu has a rifle
Ardiis has Ult
It’s winnable
That’s chamber for ya
100T vs acend again
Chamber gets nerfed by champions
????
No chance he doesn’t
wtf
I@hope
Agree
Nerf the ult slow and make the gun have a longer cooldown
And make it cost more
And nerf the pullout time on q
Make tp CD longer
Plz no
FUCK
rip
Buff cypher and kj
Nerf chamber ult slow and q
Then sentinels will be more well rounded
Kj is so underpowered lol
Like the only remotely good part of her kit is her Molly
Idk why Drx don’t play chamber on haven
Alarmbot is everything bad about cypher trip and everything about chamber trap
What do they play
Jett kj fade kayo omen
13-3 💀
Rb buzz zest stax mako
Chamber has more utility than kj sadly
Idk I think ascent is a decent KJ map cuz breach can’t shit on her ult
Why is kj util not global
For 200 creds!
Kayo can now
Did you see he can nade ult through like all the walls on ascent
Yeah
Idk kj is just so underpowered
She’s alright in ranked for soloing a site but in pro play it’s just horrible
Make kj util global and make cypher ult like a sova dart tag for like a second and make it instant
I don’t think many sentinels need buffs they’re just all horrible compared to chamber
Except chamber
Util should be global
It’s not like her trip is like insane if u walk into it
I don’t get why it isn’t
Let kj do what cypher can do
Which is watch site without being hardstuck on site
Yea
Makes sense
Why kayo
What
I saw astra too
Odd
They play weird comps
Chamber for raze makes sense
Astra doesn’t make sense
Brim is so good on bind
Kayo is odd
Not needing refreshable smokes to move through mid is so good for brim
The only thing with astra is that you can recall stars to lurk into weird places
How do they lose that
Lmao
That’s so bad from guild
Astra is ight for lurking
I feel like viper does it better tho
You already have viper
Agree
And you need skye for dog
And skye flashes to clear long
Ok guild just walked into util
Like it’s so hard to execute a site with two astra smokes
You can’t do them at the same time like brim
And they are hollow so the other team just stays in them and they last for like no time

I don’t get how you execute on this execute heavy map
Idk why they’re trying to play slow on this map
Its so hard to play slow on this map
Yeah like lurking on this map is hard asf
It takes so long to rotate
Takes even longer with no stimulus
You literally have to go all the way back to spawn to rotate
I mean like you literally just don’t have space
Astra smokes are too short
The only thing astra is good for is what fade is used for
So I don’t get it
They can’t plant
Literally can’t plant
They just need to hard push hooka every round
Cuz astra is very good at taking it
And maybe long?
You just can’t go A
And you need viper smoke to help execute a site
Fpx aren’t stacking it tho
They’re doing a trap showers
Yeah
If they had a chamber brim would be there
Literally
You have no space
They were all forced to play in viper ult
They just got surrounded
Yeah elbow u need if they 2 man take hooka
Real
They are playing so far away
This is a hard post plant comp without any way to get to post plant
Brim postplant is better than astras
Just gotta google the lineups imo
Better than brim molly
Astras is better with viper
Cuz suck + molly
= dead
Stun + molly
Suck + nade
She has way better post plants when with more chars
Agree
Worse post plants when by yourself
They just can’t plant
Like literally look how much space the initiators are making
But they just can’t control that space so it’s useless
And they have no way to protect flanks
So they can’t play post plant very well either
They deserve to lose for this comp
NO WAY
Bro if they get an 8-4
Zyppan threw that tbh
They’re lucky
Why wasn’t he waiting
They can only make it to site with astra ult
And still have 0 control
They’re all in the same place
Lmfao
Like what
Bro
They have 0 control
Barbar deserves to be stressing out for this comp
Guild coach is like so upset that they decided this was the comp to run
Sideshow must be malding ab this comp
What are they running?
Astra on bind
Viper astra
Oki
Skye fade raze viper astra
I mean it's not the wooooooorst
Disagree
Idk what fade even does
Astra is a troll pick
I haven't played when she came out
Fade super good on this map
Idk
the answer is always yes
Maybe against xset
They might’ve been losin in scrims with brim
That’s not brims fault
And just picked asstra
The coach be like bro it’s my bad we lost this game i picked a throw comp
Neither of these teams do anything showers
ZYPPAN
WHAT THE FUCK
RUN AND GUN
bro when zypaan is on hes like the best raze in the world
All run and gun
@cunning patrol what's happening
Guild goin out sad
12-4 fpx
Look how boomed they are
Guild picked a troll comp
Don’t blame em
theyre gonna win this round anyways
yeah
what's happening
If only they weren’t playing astra
Xset next

They get rolled
Bro the fact bcj put himself on crashies level is hilarious
Crashies the goat
Leviathan sweep
No one even knows who bcj is
He’s not even better than most NA initiators
Sadge
I agree
Disagree
real and true
maybe ascent
theyre probs confident on that map
You can’t not first pick the map xset just threw on
Agree
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Tbh
Not hating just simple facts
I’m watching it
It was SO FUCKING BAD
I’m watching this vid
Xset rocking the ranked strata
Fr
Wait optic are horrible
There’s the bind ban
Banana
that round was fucking ugly from leviatan just now
I wasn’t even watching
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I have a theory
Belosrea is actively catching covid before big tournaments on purpose to sabotage his teams through bioterrorism
LOL
I have the same theorem
SEEE???
First the ex-league of legends player comes to be a "guest star" on the desk.
Ominously says she will "support the fusion"
Now fucking look!
I'm telling you man she's a fucking sleeper agent sent by Riot Games to sabotage the league
God its so OBVIOUS
Keep coping
Yes the good region
Sadly we don’t get a team with Heesang and Clestyn together
Alien and Frong will take the world by storm though
Alien is unironically a good player
help seweres
Xset fucking suck
(The joke is that split is the most defense sided map in the entire game)
You wouldn’t get it it’s ok
Sad!
How do you win without mid control
You don’t need to go mid but you need control mid
Otherwise they only need to watch ramp
agree
Thank you @Onigod for all the heads you clicked, the troll turrets you placed, and the Widow snipes. We wish you the very best with whatever comes next in your career.
Agree
ty love u too
And then win haven probably
That was a weird place to plant the bomb
Where do you play with that bomb plant
You have to like
Push spawn probably
Ian is an L
:(
How is xset winning this @cunning patrol
im not watching i thought it would be a wash
ascent is pretty easy to attack
so im not sure
idk xsets not really playing very mid heavy like drx were from what i saw
I wasn’t paying attention
I like optic
Nobody on optic rlly egos
agree
Never try to ego korea
smd
they are saving for next map
It’s ot now
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