esports-discussion

[mortal cipher]

someon give heesu some ice his break is actually breaking

[earnest leaf]

so not really a big difference there

[willow drum]

that is not how it works

[earnest leaf]

Toronto obviously want to try to create a grand finals winning roster

twilight/chorong are the only ones imo that are going to really push you there

[willow drum]

muze ball is 1 tier above mikeyy

muze monkey is multiple tiers above mikeyy monke

[fathom igloo]

Muze was God teir last year

[willow drum]

yes

[mortal cipher]

yeah

[willow drum]

muze just need good coaches

[earnest leaf]

Muze ball is heavily overrated because he got to play with kevster shu deadlifting him all year long

[willow drum]

like most players

[willow drum]

not heavily overrated

[full lichen]

Ngl I hope Paris win

[earnest leaf]

It's good, but mikeyy individually imo has looked better on ball

[willow drum]

mikeyy ball is heavily overrated because he got to play with proper finn deadlifting him all maps

it's literally the same lmao

[fathom igloo]

That's literally shock

[earnest leaf]

Nah mikeyy sets up a bunch of the engages and wins fights

For muze it was basically birdring/kevster/shu killing 3 then muze rolled in

[willow drum]

that is whats going to happen next year

heesang proper bliss finn

folds people

and muze will succeed

[fathom igloo]

Instert player here from shock look good cause of proper finn

[willow drum]

heesang will look good

no matter WHAT team he is on

[earnest leaf]

Also we can see now muze without an S tier dps line doesn't look nearly as good

[willow drum]

that is a given

[earnest leaf]

despite having an S tier support line

[willow drum]

for every single MT

[fathom igloo]

Unless your name is MAG

[earnest leaf]

mikeyy ball mechanics also goated

[cunning patrol]

flameknightt do u ever get tired of being wrong all the time

[willow drum]

mikeyy is

very much lower

than muze

[earnest leaf]

I am almost always correct

[willow drum]

muze is top 3 tanks NA

if not the world

i probably say Smurf Someone MuZe

[fathom igloo]

He's a top 7 tank in NA

Mikeyy is

[willow drum]

?? he is higher than 7

(muze)

[fathom igloo]

Muze is top 5 if not 3

[willow drum]

name MTs better than muze in NA

[earnest leaf]

Muze is a slightly better sado

[fathom igloo]

In NA no one

[willow drum]

someone is

[fathom igloo]

Who

[willow drum]

Someone

[fathom igloo]

Ok who is this someone you speak of

[willow drum]

the MT

for florida

hello....

[fathom igloo]

I'm sorry I had to

[tropic herald]

Btw if Toronto lose this they have a decently real chance to be out of Midseason madness

[willow drum]

theyd eserve

to not make it

[earnest leaf]

I want toronto to make the midseason madness

[fathom igloo]

Tor needs to win our and justice need to lose our

[earnest leaf]

just to get eliminated first round

[willow drum]

by london yes

[tropic herald]

Washington needs to win both their games to make it in

[mortal cipher]

thats gonna happen they alreadt got beat 3-1 by london

[tropic herald]

Which isn’t necessarily impossible but also not guaranteed

[fathom igloo]

They can win one but they would need help

[mortal cipher]

i thought they washington game was their last chance

[fathom igloo]

They can still make it with help

[tropic herald]

Unless Florida loses to Boston then Washington need both their games won

Wait no

[fathom igloo]

I could see a world where that happens

[tropic herald]

Justice can’t tie points with Mayhem

Or Toronto

[mortal cipher]

so they have to beat london and vancouver

[fathom igloo]

Yes they can?

[tropic herald]

Lost to both of them in regular season

[fathom igloo]

Washington is at 5 tor is at 6 if they lose

[lost thicket]

anyone remember profits/guard dps line

[dreamy cave]

Who will win, old garbage or new garbage

[fathom igloo]

Remember soon Nico DPS line

[next mesa]

hahaha this is good

[tropic herald]

Oh wait yeah I forgor map diff comes in first

[lost thicket]

or bdosin/nus support line

fucking Phara/Bastion

[willow drum]

MuZe Doomfist > Mikeyy Doom
MuZe Doomfist >= Mikeyy ball
MuZe Monkey >> Mikeyy Monkey
Muze Rein Horse = Mikeyy Rein Horse.

In what world is MuZe not an upgrade over Mikeyy

[lost thicket]

lmao

[willow drum]

Flameknight please explain

[fathom igloo]

I was talking league points

[tropic herald]

So I guess if either mayhem or Toronto get their shit beat in and Justice don’t

[lost thicket]

Cause he covers what is needed, you don't need Mikeyys doom when you have coluge

[willow drum]

MuZe >> Coluge Doom

[lost thicket]

Mikey only needs to play the ball and rein/horse

[willow drum]

very easily

[willow drum]

no no no he needs to play all MTs

[tropic herald]

They all have the same amount of league points, so basically it doesn’t matter when tie breaking those three teams

[willow drum]

coluge is shit on MT

[lost thicket]

Coluge covers monke n doom

[willow drum]

NO HE DOESNT

[lost thicket]

and is good on those two

[willow drum]

HE IS BOTTOM 3

[tropic herald]

*given they have the same amount of wins

[fathom igloo]

Ah ty sir

[willow drum]

DOOM AND MONKEY

[lost thicket]

BRAINDEAD

[willow drum]

yes you are

[lost thicket]

ABSOLUTELY BRAINDEAD

[willow drum]

MUZE > MIKEYY

DO U DISAGREE

[lost thicket]

HAVE YOU EVEN SEEN STAGE 1

[willow drum]

I have....

did you see him get nanoed

jump a LUCIO

and get booped into a well?

his doom was the reason they got swept by Dallas

actual imbecile

DO YOU DISAGREE WITH ME IF I SAY MUZE > MIKEYY

[lost thicket]

THAT'S NOT A BAD TAKE OVERALL BUT HE ONLY NEEDS TO PLAY 3 TANKS

[willow drum]

@lost thicket

[willow drum]

It is defo not a bad take

it is a reaonsblae take

lmaoo

[lost thicket]

YOU ONLY NEED TO JUDGE HIS BALL/REIN/HORSE

[willow drum]

anyone with eyes will say that

[fathom igloo]

Guys remember decay doha DPS line or stitch ttuba

[willow drum]

Muze monkey > coluge monkey

muze doom > coluge doom

[lost thicket]

Coluge is really good on Monke n Doom

You on some shit

[willow drum]

he is not S tier

no dullahan you are on shock fan copium

[lost thicket]

neither is Muze

[willow drum]

???

muze is easily

3rd best monkey

NA

if not higher

[lost thicket]

Crazu

crazy

[willow drum]

how am i crazy

name 3 monkey players

better than muze

do it stupid

[devout path]

punk #1

[lost thicket]

absolutely crazy

[willow drum]

shut up

[lost thicket]

NA or overall

[willow drum]

na

fucking bozo

[full lichen]

Coluge Gaga Reiner

[devout path]

ga9a isnt na

[lost thicket]

Reiner/Someone/Fearless

[devout path]

??

[willow drum]

GA9A ISN'T NA

[willow drum]

REINER'S MONKEY IS MID

[fathom igloo]

Guys if Paris wins I'll buy a Paris jersey and become a Paris fan

[willow drum]

what are you talking about

oh my god dullahan

[lost thicket]

YOUR MOTHER IS MID

[full lichen]

I pressed send literally 1 second after you sent the only NA message

[willow drum]

Your*

[cunning patrol]

yeah it is

[mortal cipher]

smurf

[willow drum]

get it right dumbass

[willow drum]

jazzy please help me

there are way 2 many dumbasses

like "Dullahan"

[lost thicket]

thanks

[willow drum]

mikeyy < muze

on every single

hero

[full lichen]

Muze top 3 monkey

[cunning patrol]

i will not waste energy

[lost thicket]

FUCK OFF YOU STUPID FUCK

[willow drum]

you think coluge monkey is > muze monkey?

yes or no

[lost thicket]

No but both comparable

[full lichen]

Equal tbh

[willow drum]

.

muze is better than coluge on doomfist

[lost thicket]

don't think one is better then the other in any large way

[cloud latch]

haha yall think coluge is good 😂

[willow drum]

muze is better than coluge on monkey

[willow drum]

he is on sigma

[full lichen]

Ye

[willow drum]

hanbin more like #hasbeen tbh

[full lichen]

Sigma Monkey and his Doom is decent

[cloud latch]

hell Id be good on sig with proper on my team

[willow drum]

his monkey is not above

[lost thicket]

Sure but even still Coluge is pretty good on the Doom, I think monkey/doom they are comparable

[willow drum]

C tier

[willow drum]

muze > mikeyy

muze > coluge

on every single MT

not dva zarya or sigma

but everything else

[earnest leaf]

A sad muze apologist

[willow drum]

muze is better than anything shock has to offer

[lost thicket]

IN WHAT WORLD IS MIKEYY WORSE THEN MUZE ON BALL

[dreamy cave]

This is going to game 5 last round

[lost thicket]

YOU ARE SMOKING COCK

[willow drum]

in this one stupid

[cunning patrol]

do u like

[willow drum]

YOU ARE SEEING GHOSTS MY FRIEND

[cunning patrol]

watch the games

lol

coluge comparable to muze on monkey

LMAO

[earnest leaf]

this guy also has some weird fantasy roster for shock and muze is on it

[lost thicket]

Yes

[cunning patrol]

like do u have braindmg dullahan

[split flume]

i hate shock fans

[willow drum]

Yes because he is cracked...

[full lichen]

Mikey is better ball than Muze XD

[dreamy cave]

My brothers. Both Mike and Muze are garbage. One is old garbage and one is new garbage

[cloud latch]

they do

[willow drum]

TRISTE UR BRONZE

DONT SPEAK

[full lichen]

So?

[willow drum]

ABOUT MUZE DA GOAT

[lost thicket]

MuZe is like B

tier

[willow drum]

HE IS S TIER

[lost thicket]

Holy fuck

[cloud latch]

please be kind to dullahan

[earnest leaf]

slightly above average MT doesn't win you a championship

[willow drum]

HOLY SHIT DULLAHAN GO BACK TO SCHOOL

[cloud latch]

theyre trying theie best

[lost thicket]

I have braindamage talking to you moronic

fuck

[cloud latch]

<3

[full lichen]

Alright I'm ngl stfu and stop spamming caps you uncultured swine

[frosty patrol]

muze is not B tier

[willow drum]

you're literally special needs dullahan

be quiet

he is S tier

[dreamy cave]

MUZE IS D TEIR

[lost thicket]

GO BACK TO YOUR MOTHERS FUCKING WOMB

[full lichen]

Mid A tier

[lost thicket]

YOU BLIND AUTISIC FUCK

[willow drum]

mother's

[frosty patrol]

he is a solid A tier on most maintanks

[willow drum]

you are if u think luge monkey is good

[lost thicket]

HE'S AT BEST A-

[willow drum]

he is at worst A

[dreamy cave]

MIKEY IS D TEIR

[frosty patrol]

muze is not S

[lost thicket]

WHEN DID YOU BECOME A MUZE DICK RIDER

[fast tusk]

toronto are you serious ?

[willow drum]

he is A+

[lost thicket]

2021 OR 2020

[frosty patrol]

mid A

imo

[lost thicket]

OR 2022

[full lichen]

Muze IS Mid to high A

[frosty patrol]

S is reserved for like

[lost thicket]

Low to mid A imo

[willow drum]

smurf

[fast tusk]

youve been forced to map 5 by paris ????

[frosty patrol]

top 2-3 on your position

[willow drum]

and someone

probably

[frosty patrol]

so like your smurfs

and hanbins

[full lichen]

Ye

[willow drum]

imo muze is prob top 5

[dreamy cave]

We need someone to make a teir list with all current tank players

[willow drum]

he is better than fearless

(unbiased)

(no dallas hate)

[earnest leaf]

muze only has a better ball than fearless

and not by much

fearless still a better monkey and rein

[cloud latch]

excuse me hellfire?

[lost thicket]

AND YOU SAY MY TAKES ARE SHIT

[willow drum]

cope fearless is a fraud he is carried by hanbin

[cloud latch]

typical shock fans 😭

[willow drum]

your takes are consistenly shit

[cloud latch]

yall all dumb

[dreamy cave]

Who is the best ball in the league

[willow drum]

win a tourney with fearless

(you can't)

[lost thicket]

Fearless drags his nuts all over his Muze's face

[cloud latch]

they already have

[willow drum]

fearless more like feedless

[willow drum]

in 6v6 bozo

[cloud latch]

win a stage with coluge

[willow drum]

when hasbeen was carrying him

[cloud latch]

you cant L

[full lichen]

You misspelled the last word, it's spelled Trashbin

[cloud latch]

YO WHEN WAS SHOCKS LAST TITLE AGAIN HELLFIRE??

[willow drum]

sadly we have s9mm

[earnest leaf]

also as we speak

[willow drum]

on our team

[earnest leaf]

muze getting gapped by daan

sad

[cloud latch]

exactly yall dog bro 😂 😂

[willow drum]

when was dallas last grand finals appearance?

[dreamy cave]

Ga9a >>>>>>> muze & mikey

[willow drum]

wasted so much money

for no reason

[full lichen]

Kickoff clash

[lost thicket]

Moth is so clear of Chorong and Muze is not better then Coluge nor Mikeyy with the tanks they share

[cloud latch]

grand finals

[willow drum]

grand finals

[full lichen]

XD

[willow drum]

not tournament finals

triste....

buddy

[full lichen]

Kickoff clash grand finals Lmao

[willow drum]

Kickoff Clash Finals

[cloud latch]

anyway

[willow drum]

not Grand Finals

[full lichen]

I'm fucking around lol

[fast tusk]

bruh

[split flume]

toronto defiant

[willow drum]

shock will not win gf

when we have deadweights

like s9mm on our team

heesang needs to come in

[lost thicket]

Didn't they lose the team super was talking about to Danteh

[cloud latch]

proper to dallas please 🙂

[willow drum]

sombra so cringe bro

[fast tusk]

ok now theres no way toronto can lose right ?

[split flume]

that was super making fun of danteh for losing to ny in season 2, the next day ny 4-0'd shock

[lost thicket]

Yep

NYXL was like the third best team

[split flume]

sombra

[lost thicket]

that season iirc

[split flume]

[cloud latch]

I remember

[split flume]

paris lose

gg

[earnest leaf]

nyxl was one of 4 teams that could actually play goats

[cloud latch]

wasnt it like mano shielding trans in grav?

[split flume]

yeah

[cloud latch]

I remember when mano was good

I was there... 🥲

[restive nexus]

My perfect predictions 🥲

[lost thicket]

so S4

?

[willow drum]

.

[cloud latch]

good joke shock fan!

[willow drum]

do you see this shit levi

okay surely

toronto win against paris

[fast tusk]

finally

[split flume]

toronto should be fucking ASHAMED

[willow drum]

@plush grail you really took a fat fucking L today

[cloud latch]

dullahan has brain damage be nice hellfire

[earnest leaf]

man toronto is sad

[fathom igloo]

Tor is ass

[twin bloom]

The fact toronto barely won that

Is so sad

[raw ermine]

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[split flume]

the only reason toronto wins that is because heeus pops off

holy shit this team is DOG

[restive nexus]

Washington > Toronto ngl

[mortal cipher]

heesu needs his back checked

[willow drum]

WOW

[twin bloom]

Man dove was so good

And lost

[balmy wolf]

What a game to watch!

[vagrant jacinth]

Holy shit dude

[waxen wasp]

gg ez paris

[mortal cipher]

washington lost toronto tho

[twin bloom]

This is so sad

[vagrant jacinth]

Absolutely gutting for paris

[willow drum]

thats because they didnt have vigilante

[dreamy cave]

If muze is so good.... why did his team almost lose to paris...

[restive nexus]

Fr??

[cunning patrol]

i disagree

[waxen wasp]

has paris won a single game yet

[mortal cipher]

ah

[split flume]

holy fuck

[mortal cipher]

it was 3-1

[willow drum]

muze is A tier at worst

[twin bloom]

Explain

[lost thicket]

You have brain damage

[vagrant jacinth]

Check in on the paris fans you know

[willow drum]

Levi does tbh

he is in bronze

[cunning patrol]

paris are on the come up

imo

[twin bloom]

Mald that muze got hard gapped by daan

Imo

[willow drum]

no need to make him feel bad

[twin bloom]

No

[tiny pollen]

London >>>>> Paris > Toronto

[cunning patrol]

you are lying

[twin bloom]

They are not imo

[cunning patrol]

i didnt even watch

[dreamy cave]

Who's the best ball in the leauge

[cunning patrol]

and ik it is not true

[balmy wolf]

Paris is definitely better than they were in stage 1

[willow drum]

it is probably fate

[mortal cipher]

tru

[twin bloom]

Watch first round of map 5

[balmy wolf]

I think they can climb a spot or 2 but not much better

[twin bloom]

Daan destroyed

Muse

Lol

[cloud latch]

Im <500 sr 😢

[split flume]

ameng

[willow drum]

he plays with people like triste

dont make fun of him

[cunning patrol]

He didn’t

Imo

[dreamy cave]

Not ga9a or ameng??

[cloud latch]

v true

[willow drum]

he is working on his SR

[lost thicket]

I'd honestly believe this

[twin bloom]

Watch the match

Imo

[cloud latch]

Im trying my best

[willow drum]

ga9a prob 2nd

but fate ball GENERATIONAL

[earnest leaf]

ga9a ball is individually stronger than fate

but fate strong 2nd

[lost thicket]

your takes are of a <500 sr player

[willow drum]

no way people thought TD was good

[mortal cipher]

i mean fate made an entire meta around the ball and destroyed dallas with it

[cloud latch]

below 500 sr and yet still have 100x better takes than all shock fans combined 🥱

[frosty patrol]

ga9a has always been better than fate at ball

[willow drum]

you are chengdu fan

[earnest leaf]

lip sombra did more than fate ball imo in those metas

[willow drum]

biased opinion

[frosty patrol]

fate was 3rd last year

[split flume]

how does a team with heesu and twilight go 3-2 against the paris fucking eternal

[frosty patrol]

2nd best starter

[willow drum]

fate is also not chinese

[frosty patrol]

consider the following

[willow drum]

mike you have bias

on this subject

[frosty patrol]

fate had the best dva

[cloud latch]

I genuinely dont know

[frosty patrol]

best sombra

[willow drum]

fate also had a much better dps line

[cloud latch]

its sad really

[willow drum]

so ig it is a given

[frosty patrol]

and best zen

[willow drum]

that he looked better

[mortal cipher]

fate isnt an offtank

[willow drum]

void

he had void

[mortal cipher]

exactly

but he didnt play dva

[willow drum]

@frosty patrol okay ga9a 1st is fine take i guess

i just was more impressed with fate but

[mortal cipher]

ga9a or fate

[willow drum]

fate also had much more 2 work with

[mortal cipher]

yeah

[willow drum]

so ga9a 1st makes sense

[balmy wolf]

I think we should just agree that shu is the best hamston player

[frosty patrol]

Void Lip Fleta Leejaegon Izayaki
vs
Lateyoung Leave Jinmu Yveltal Mmonk

which supporting cast is better

[cloud latch]

shd

[mortal cipher]

umm shanghai

[cunning patrol]

leave imho

[balmy wolf]

Shd

[mortal cipher]

every player is flexable its insane

[twin bloom]

Because finale muze and hotba are terrible players

[balmy wolf]

Yveltal was dropped to contenders I think that's a sign that the shd support roster is better

[twin bloom]

No one should be calling muze a goat

After daan gapped him

[mortal cipher]

yeah and faraway was dropped

[twin bloom]

That hard

[mortal cipher]

yeah nah

[cloud latch]

whos calling muze a goat

[frosty patrol]

ch0r0ng is the goat and easily the best player on toronto

[balmy wolf]

Nobody

[twin bloom]

3 individuals

[balmy wolf]

Kek

[raw ermine]

its beautiful
(the +3 points loaded now)

[mortal cipher]

it was literally heesu refusing to lose

[lost thicket]

supportline is close but overall shd is better on tank/dps

[twin bloom]

Active on this server

[frosty patrol]

spell farway correctly challenge

[mortal cipher]

faraway1987

[willow drum]

muze is a goat just like people like onigod

[frosty patrol]

https://liquipedia.net/overwatch/Cao_Jiale

[cloud latch]

shock fan take
ignored

[mortal cipher]

[frosty patrol]

imo

[twin bloom]

Muze got gapped by daans so hard

Lol

[willow drum]

onigod clears fraudk1e

[mortal cipher]

especially on ball

[frosty patrol]

muze >> daan
hotba < vestola
heesu >> dove
finale < wub
ch0r0ng >> dridro
twilight > kaan

[cloud latch]

wheres onigod now?

[frosty patrol]

finale sandbagging

[twin bloom]

Dove and heesu was the closest matchup

Imo

[mortal cipher]

yeah

[willow drum]

in heaven along with goats like fissure

[frosty patrol]

I put heesu >> because this is overall player comparison

[dreamy cave]

Ehhh ch0r0ng > Dridro. On brig he got alot of first kills in some maps

[frosty patrol]

and heesu is a goat on heroes like hanzo sombra

[willow drum]

chorong is the best MS

in the league

[cunning patrol]

all are good players

imho

[mortal cipher]

that hanzo against the reign last year was nutty

[willow drum]

and if he is not 1st

[cloud latch]

you cant be throwing the title of goat around all willy nilly like this hellfire 😭 😭 😭 😭

[frosty patrol]

ch0r0ng is the best ms and dridro is not

[willow drum]

then he is 2nd

[willow drum]

they deserve it

[cloud latch]

what does goat mean to you

[willow drum]

onigod fissure and snillo

are all greatest of all times

[frosty patrol]

the greatest of all time at their position

just like onigod

[twin bloom]

Defiant need a good flex dps

[willow drum]

agreed

[mortal cipher]

so profit

[twin bloom]

And tanks

[willow drum]

no

[cloud latch]

mike dont join the shock fan

[twin bloom]

And they are a solid

Team

[frosty patrol]

profit is not even the best fdps of all time

[twin bloom]

Imo

[willow drum]

fleta is more goat then profit

[frosty patrol]

profit goat advocates are stupid

[mortal cipher]

[twin bloom]

No

He isn't

[mortal cipher]

i agree

[frosty patrol]

he has not had an S tier season outside of the mickey mouse year

[willow drum]

imo he is but okay

[frosty patrol]

(s1)

[twin bloom]

Fleta was not that good s1

And was just benched

S2

[mortal cipher]

he was the only good player on seoul

[willow drum]

he was better than profit when it mattered

[twin bloom]

For illicit

[frosty patrol]

people like kevster leave and pelican

[cloud latch]

fletas team wasnt good s1*

[frosty patrol]

better fdps of all time in ow1

[mortal cipher]

theres a reason fleta created the deadlift

[split flume]

proper clears all these kids so

[frosty patrol]

as seen by profit getting shat on by pelican and leave

[mortal cipher]

yeah

[twin bloom]

Profit and fleta have the same number of championships

[frosty patrol]

yes but this is the ow1 list

[willow drum]

they do not have the same amount of titles

[twin bloom]

And profit deadlifted london

To da win

[frosty patrol]

profit did not deadlift london

[twin bloom]

While fleta got carried

[mortal cipher]

did london win a stage

[twin bloom]

Yes he did

[split flume]

also it's called the fleta deadlift because fleta was on flash lux

[twin bloom]

In s1 playoffs

He did

[frosty patrol]

profit fury and birdring deadlifted london

imho

[twin bloom]

Him and birdring

[mortal cipher]

they were playing philly you dont need to deadlift against philly

[frosty patrol]

philly had snillo joemeister and dayfly

[twin bloom]

Fleta was never an s tier player

[frosty patrol]

sounds pretty intimidating

[split flume]

DAYFLY

[dreamy cave]

Old philly wasn't bad though

[split flume]

[twin bloom]

Profit was s tier in s1

[frosty patrol]

profit S tier s1, A tier s2, C and S tier s3, A tier s4

[mortal cipher]

fleta was doing the most out of his team in season 1 just didnt have the best structure

[last nimbus]

wait

[twin bloom]

Fleta was like b tier s1

[frosty patrol]

fleta A tier s1, benched s2, S tier s3, A tier s4

[twin bloom]

And s2

[devout path]

profit is the goat cuz hes been one of the best since before owl

[last nimbus]

paris didnt get 3-0'ed?

[twin bloom]

A tier s3

[last nimbus]

this is a win in my books

[twin bloom]

And a tier s4

[cunning patrol]

Wallahi

You are coping

[twin bloom]

Maybe s tier

S3

Ok

[frosty patrol]

all profit has going for him is longevity

he was only top tier in 2017 and 2018

he cannot reasonably be better than like

leave pelican kevster

[mortal cipher]

fr

[split flume]

profit's been doing some disgusting shit this year so far

[twin bloom]

Look i think people overate profit

[willow drum]

you bring him to NA

proper peli and kev

[twin bloom]

But profit has been top tier every year

[willow drum]

will actually have their way with profit

[twin bloom]

Except 2019

[willow drum]

very effortlessly

[twin bloom]

And 2020

[mortal cipher]

profit carried the win against shanghao

[devout path]

leave is apac idiot

[twin bloom]

For half of it

[willow drum]

proper peli kevster

[split flume]

smartest shock fan

[frosty patrol]

profit is currently the 5th best fdps imo if you count leave

[earnest leaf]

Goat of overwatch is a dumb argument anyways

[mortal cipher]

and 2021 in that logic

[twin bloom]

Its either profit or viol2t

[willow drum]

sadly i cant be the dumbest

[earnest leaf]

Because no one can agree what makes someone a goat

[twin bloom]

People who say void just tryna be diff

Imo

[earnest leaf]

Is it title wins? Is it longevity? is it both?

[mortal cipher]

not violet

[frosty patrol]

draw 1st hellfire 2nd

for shock fans

[twin bloom]

Yes viol2t imo

[earnest leaf]

Is it relative performance compared to competition each year?

[willow drum]

viol2t is a reasonable take

[twin bloom]

He was the best FS s2 and s3

[mortal cipher]

ig

[frosty patrol]

title wins do not make you the goat

that is so fucking stupid

imo

[dreamy cave]

Worlds longest C9

[mortal cipher]

fr

[dreamy cave]

Right there

[devout path]

profit is the goat in ow1 anyone who disagree is dumb

[willow drum]

did u watch the atl c9

[north relic]

“Why are you so scared of this team”

[split flume]

[mortal cipher]

that was just a rng c9

[dreamy cave]

Was not as bad at that justice one

[willow drum]

it was a 1

in million

chance

[earnest leaf]

Moth is the goat of Ow 1

[willow drum]

yet still fucked up

[north relic]

Sad take

[willow drum]

Sad take

[split flume]

moth is the most commercially successful ow1 player

[fathom igloo]

guys tor should sign me

[cunning patrol]

his 2021

[mortal cipher]

it was the fastest c9 that was the most random chance

[cunning patrol]

was a solid a tier

year

[frosty patrol]

Very little playtime s1, S tier s2, S tier on lucio mercy s3 but benched half the time, little playtime s4

[twin bloom]

That is top tier

Imo

Profit was mid s2 and s3

And only half

Of s3

[mortal cipher]

sad take

[north relic]

you can commercially suck these balls

[willow drum]

no they should not

heese is better than you

[split flume]

andbox andy

[earnest leaf]

this is what I mean by no one agrees on what makes someone a goat

[frosty patrol]

profit was low A s2 imo

[willow drum]

at sojourn

[earnest leaf]

hence why it's always dumb imo to argue who it is

[devout path]

s2 was an unfortunate year for profit

[frosty patrol]

mid or below during s3 except for the hanzo meta

[willow drum]

rare flameknight W take

[twin bloom]

Profit mei

Was pretty bad

S2 and s3

[north relic]

Only good dps players during s2 (haksal and nenne) (both goats)

[split flume]

overwatch goat is selfless gaming kresnik obviously

[frosty patrol]

profit's s3 disqualifies him from goat status

literally threw matches

[mortal cipher]

goat is actually chipsa

[devout path]

overwatch goat is chipsa

[mortal cipher]

100% winrate

[willow drum]

that is true

[devout path]

never lost a map

[frosty patrol]

100% winrate

[willow drum]

ow1 is 100% winrate

[twin bloom]

Ok fleta being benched for illicit

[frosty patrol]

yes

[twin bloom]

Should disqualify

[tiny pollen]

seoul got 2nd place tho

[twin bloom]

Him

[frosty patrol]

agree

[willow drum]

mikeyy is going to be ow2 goat

[twin bloom]

Imo

[willow drum]

100% winrate on all maps

[split flume]

i have one better than chipsa

[mortal cipher]

nah

[twin bloom]

Agree

[split flume]

iddqd

[frosty patrol]

fleta profit aren't the goats

[twin bloom]

And real

[frosty patrol]

but this shu guy

A tier s2

[willow drum]

he will not lose

[frosty patrol]

A tier s3

[split flume]

iddqd 100% winrate and an INFINITE k/d

[frosty patrol]

S tier s4

[north relic]

Shock player unfortunately

[devout path]

pine the goat

[split flume]

man literally did not die once in owl

[tiny pollen]

striker the goat

[mortal cipher]

fr

[twin bloom]

Imo shu was the best zen in s2

But charge

Sucked

[frosty patrol]

striker was

[twin bloom]

So hard

[north relic]

Alarm is S+++++++++++ s3 s4

[split flume]

smartest mykl fan take

[willow drum]

i think both twilight viol2t better zenyattas

tbh

[frosty patrol]

S tier s1
Little playtime s2
S tier s3
Little playtime s4

alarm

S s3 and s4

[mortal cipher]

charge in s3 was actually good

[willow drum]

but shu also had

less to work with

[frosty patrol]

alarm is the goat of flex support

[twin bloom]

All my takes are good

Name a bad take i had

[dreamy cave]

If zen gets another buff. Jjonak is going to come out of retirement

[north relic]

Also S in 18 years

When he reincarnates

[twin bloom]

I knew defiant and justice would be bad

[split flume]

god

[twin bloom]

Same as nyxl

I am a smart

Individual

[split flume]

seoul was gonna have jjonak this year

[twin bloom]

In terms

[devout path]

jjonak isnt reitred sorta

[split flume]

[twin bloom]

Of ow predicting

[devout path]

he is injured so he couldnt play

same thing as xzi

[split flume]

imagine a jjonak/creative zen/ana backline

ong

[mortal cipher]

yeah also mental

[north relic]

I don’t think it was physical

like xzi

[earnest leaf]

I thought jjonak mental was just not good

like super

[mortal cipher]

his was more mental

[north relic]

Popular owl players are the betas

[devout path]

idk

[frosty patrol]

people who say super is the best tank of all time have the downs

[mortal cipher]

he needed a break

[frosty patrol]

imo

[north relic]

Except carpe

[split flume]

literally no one said that

[twin bloom]

Its either super or fate

[mortal cipher]

he was a rein one tricl

[twin bloom]

He wasn't

[willow drum]

super is not

[devout path]

super did not play enough to be the best tank

[north relic]

It’s gator

[willow drum]

a rein 1 trick

[dreamy cave]

You cant say that. That's-1

[frosty patrol]

a lot of people do

[north relic]

Gapped both

[willow drum]

in any sense of the word

[lofty shale]

wait is gator dating fran

[frosty patrol]

tackling the societal issue

[willow drum]

wait no

[split flume]

super gets mentioned once and this guy immediately goes 'super fans have the downs' 💀

[mortal cipher]

i mean he played mostly rein

[willow drum]

please no

[earnest leaf]

Who do you put as best tank of Ow1 then

[willow drum]

not a 1 trick

[mortal cipher]

most played then

[north relic]

Void

[lofty shale]

look at his twitter lol

[devout path]

fate

[cunning patrol]

Both are good teams

[willow drum]

no please

no

[twin bloom]

Gator is a top 5 OW 1 rein and top 5 ow 1 orisa but people will never give him respect

[mortal cipher]

ok most played hero

[willow drum]

no no

[frosty patrol]

I’m saying this because I still resent platchat for snubbing my man hanbin

[twin bloom]

It is sad

[willow drum]

not the NFT couple

[cunning patrol]

The best ow1 tank is void

Lol

[frosty patrol]

and my man fate

[north relic]

Like I said

[frosty patrol]

and my man void

[earnest leaf]

I mean best Mt of ow1

[north relic]

Fate

[next mesa]

he has injury

[twin bloom]

He is not Mt

Silly

[frosty patrol]

fate

[north relic]

Sideshow is off the goop when saying fate didn’t deserve too 3

[willow drum]

https://twitter.com/g8r/status/1543385746542821377

Gator (@g8r)

I love you, happy late birthday @FRANA_OW

Twitter · Jul 3, 2022, 12:06 AM

[mortal cipher]

fr

[willow drum]

NOOO

[frosty patrol]

the original prompt was tank

[willow drum]

FRAN AND GATOR ARE TOGETHER

[earnest leaf]

Fate is actual extreme recency bias if you think he's the best MT of ow1

[balmy wolf]

THEY ARE DUDE

[willow drum]

NOOO

THE NFT COUPLE

[north relic]

Platonic

[willow drum]

2ND OWL PLAYER FRAN HAS DATED

[lofty shale]

haha lmao

[split flume]

fran and gator have been together for like

a year

[mortal cipher]

plat chat seems to hate shanghai

[dreamy cave]

Obviously Bumper is best tank of all time (jk)

[balmy wolf]

this will make gator better

[willow drum]

i am unwarw

[next mesa]

2 NFT bros its only natural

[devout path]

based and real

[willow drum]

u right u right

[balmy wolf]

Gator the only Atlanta member that can talk to girls

[twin bloom]

Fate is the best ow 1 tank. He was good pre owl and every season of owl excepts s2

[balmy wolf]

He can carry now

[mortal cipher]

fr

[twin bloom]

Nero has a gf

[devout path]

fran can only get with people who like nfts

[north relic]

Babybay had bitches

[frosty patrol]

super: little playtime s1
S tier in like 75% playtime s2
S tier in like 40% playtime s3
low A tier in like 60% playtime s4

[balmy wolf]

Well babybay doesn't play :p

[mortal cipher]

maybe thats why they dont play often

[frosty patrol]

super benched too much

[mortal cipher]

s1 super wasnt of age yet

[split flume]

super got little playtime in season 1 because he was 17 for most of it

[balmy wolf]

Have you all seen Atlanta TikTok

[earnest leaf]

I'd take super/smurf over fate as best MTs of ow1 imo

[balmy wolf]

It's honestly hilarious how un enthusiastic it is

[twin bloom]

How is it recency bias lol
S1. Top 3
S2 bad
S3 top 6ish
S4 top 1

[balmy wolf]

Hawk looks like he wants to kill the social media manager in every video

[twin bloom]

Plus he was good pre owl

[frosty patrol]

fate:
low S s1
B s2
A s3
S s4

[devout path]

smurf is a good take

he didnt play for half of owl tho

[balmy wolf]

Gator is the best cause he's kinda funny

[twin bloom]

Smurf strait up didn't play s2

[split flume]

and any main tank in the league would be benched a lot of the time with smurf on the team

[north relic]

Yes

[twin bloom]

For most of it

[dreamy cave]

My brother I dont use that app

[twin bloom]

And he barely played over super

In s4

[frosty patrol]

the s1 is only there to illustrate how little super has done, same reason alarm isn’t unquestionably the goat

[north relic]

Imo flameknight is hitting the shock bong

[split flume]

how little super has done

[earnest leaf]

s1 was mickey mouse season

[frosty patrol]

it’s just unlucky

[balmy wolf]

You should check out our page they look so annoyed to make TikTok videos it's funny

[split flume]

yes super has done very little in ow true

[devout path]

best main tank was sado

[frosty patrol]

super’s only season I consider near goat status is s2

[mortal cipher]

i mean those are two different things alarm wasnt there in s1 so its not a good comparison

[frosty patrol]

alarm and super both got fucked by age?

[twin bloom]

People who say fearless is the best ow 1 mt

Have may 2021

Bias

[mortal cipher]

did they???

[twin bloom]

Imo

[frosty patrol]

yes

[north relic]

Fearless is like

[devout path]

fearless is not the best

[mortal cipher]

oh

[north relic]

Fourth

[frosty patrol]

alarm was around for a long time fucking ass in contenders

[mortal cipher]

maybe in 2020

[north relic]

Alarm with a higher luck stat instant GOAT

[dreamy cave]

Season 1 best main tank was mano.

[north relic]

not very controversial

[devout path]

alarm if he was older wouldve been the goat of ow1 easily

[split flume]

[frosty patrol]

disagree

[twin bloom]

It was gesture

Or fate

Easily

[frosty patrol]

I take goats like fate

and gesture

[twin bloom]

People who say fissure

Are dumb

[devout path]

fissure

goat

[frosty patrol]

I have fissure 3rd s1

mano 4th

[split flume]

gamsu da goat

[last nimbus]

paris eternal are in a upwards trajectory 🥲 thank you reinforce for the copium

[split flume]

obviously

[twin bloom]

Fissure got destroyed by fate

Every time

[frosty patrol]

gamsu 5

[earnest leaf]

xqc> fissure s1

[twin bloom]

Agree

[split flume]

also mano was the best mt in season 1

[twin bloom]

Xqc hard gapped fissure

[frosty patrol]

fate > fissure but fissure still very good

[tropic herald]

I didn’t watch Season 1 but Fragi my goat

[devout path]

https://tenor.com/view/fissure-la-gladiators-gif-11842944

[earnest leaf]

season 1 is a mickey mouse season simply

[twin bloom]

Man it is sad

How none of the s1 MTS

[devout path]

cope

[twin bloom]

Could play rein

Except for super

And fragi

I guess

[frosty patrol]

besides super and mano

s2 mano was a goat on rein

[split flume]

bro im looking at the season 1 rosters

[frosty patrol]

and fragi

[twin bloom]

Ok

[split flume]

there's like 18 people on every team

[frosty patrol]

did you not remember them?

[split flume]

ofc i remember them

i was a developed human being when s1 was happening

[frosty patrol]

you’ve got mendokusai and arhan

[split flume]

unlike you people

[twin bloom]

Numlocked finnsi was the best tankline

[frosty patrol]

my 2 favorite players

[twin bloom]

Valiant ever had

For sure

[frosty patrol]

I just rewatched

[split flume]

dayfly my goat

[frosty patrol]

obviously the goat esca

[balmy wolf]

Anything from 2 years ago was the best valiant ever had

[frosty patrol]

departed too soon 😔

[twin bloom]

Their s1 roster actually was sick

[frosty patrol]

would’ve fucked if he got playtime

[split flume]

esca

[devout path]

sleepy the goat

[twin bloom]

They just had ass dps

Fate space izayaki

[earnest leaf]

16 players from s1 are still in owl

[twin bloom]

Would be a nice core

Imo

Even today

[balmy wolf]

Is poko from s1 I know he's been in the league for a while

[frosty patrol]

agilities and soon were high tier on their heroes but not super flexible

[split flume]

poko was like the first popular player in all of OWL

[frosty patrol]

soon fucked on tracer but wasn’t top 3

[twin bloom]

I remember a junkertown game soon got 1 elim

The whole map

[devout path]

geguri and halo the goats

[frosty patrol]

maybe not top 5

[frosty patrol]

first player to get popular in owl yeah

[twin bloom]

Was custa that bad

I don't remember

Tbh

[split flume]

custa fat fingered a lot of ults

[twin bloom]

Wdym

Xqc

Seagull

[frosty patrol]

custa was a big 2 mercy but not great at all elsewhere

[raw ermine]

yeah
he's been here forever

[twin bloom]

Existed

[frosty patrol]

xqc seagull jehong etc popular pre owl

[devout path]

custa was ok

[twin bloom]

Custa was a terrible FS

Tho

Lol

[frosty patrol]

custa was big 2 on mercy below average everywhere else

[devout path]

custa was forgettable

[mortal cipher]

hes even said himself wasnt good

[twin bloom]

Man MS players in s1

Were so bad

Lol

[frosty patrol]

Besides like

biggoose

[split flume]

the dhak mercy

[twin bloom]

Moth anamo bigoose

Were the big 3 that season

[frosty patrol]

they were all shit mercy otps or weird lucio players

[twin bloom]

Imo

[frosty patrol]

anamo benched moth late season addition

[twin bloom]

Wait i forgot

[split flume]

season 1 had the unfortunate timing of being in moth meta for 3 stages

[twin bloom]

Closer

Was a goat

[frosty patrol]

biggoose was the best one

imo

[twin bloom]

Mercy is an easy hero

Just the ms's in owl s1

[split flume]

all these lucio one tricks coming into the league then suddenly mercy was the meta and lucio was dogshit

[twin bloom]

Were legit masters

[frosty patrol]

pioneer of his role

[twin bloom]

Half of em at least

[frosty patrol]

nah freefeel is 4800

[twin bloom]

Dhak shd supps zebbosai

Lol

[frosty patrol]

freefeel and sky were held back

imo

altering and fiveking sucked though

[split flume]

mg the goat winston