esports-discussion

[hot onyx]

Wait there was a miscount I believe

Yveltal has 7 points

Triste has 5

@balmy wolf you don’t suck!

[trim shadow]

Why is coldest treated so badly this dude went from the best cn flex u can get so being wasted on hangzhou and dropped by valiant i have never seen such potential wasted

He probably cant speak english so no chance for him in NA

Unless chengdu? Ur turn?

[lost thicket]

what players just LOOK like they play a certain hero

ie

Diya Phara/super Hog

they just look like they play those heroes

[trim shadow]

Public service announcement i will no longer be watching la valiant games for the entirety of the franchise’s existence

[lost thicket]

W

[trim shadow]

It is actually a waste of time at least boston vancouver has something to have hope in

This franchise is just lost

Dissolve it find another org to fill it

They will never relive those season 1 glory days

[lost thicket]

S2 and S3 were pretty good

aswell

[full lichen]

Same with NYXL

[lost thicket]

@ me next draft

[tranquil egret]

any one looking for scrim 10-12pm EST 3.8k???

[trim shadow]

3rd flex support monka

[devout path]

Why have I not been @ed yet

[full lichen]

You wanted to be in a draft?

[full lichen]

Myunbong replacement lmao

[balmy wolf]

He was dropped because they couldn’t drop anyone else

[trim shadow]

Or coldest didnt wanna cut his salary for marvel

[balmy wolf]

Idk

They can’t drop their dps cause 2 of them just aren’t paid

Makes sense why they have 5

[lost thicket]

ezhan rich haker just came in for shits n giggles

[lofty shale]

how yall think junker queen is gonna turn out? imo that commanding shout is prolly gonna be the strongest part of her kit, speed boost+rally health every teamfight basically

obv we're gonna have to wait but they need to be careful with that ability

[lofty shale]

haven't they actually been pretty decent this season though?

[balmy wolf]

doom fist players win with her

[lofty shale]

like at least they're not chengdu or charge

[balmy wolf]

i think he means like the state of the org outside of playing

[willow tartan]

Worse rein IMO

[trim shadow]

You can push teams to map 5 all u want but if ur not clutch it dont mean shit

[balmy wolf]

chengdu better?

[lofty shale]

idk some of that chengdu gameplay is not fun to watch

[trim shadow]

Nani?

[lofty shale]

jinmu out here playing mystery heroes against spark

[trim shadow]

Chengdu has been playing below there level

Like a certain new york team

[lofty shale]

specifically their match against spark was terrible to watch

[trim shadow]

That and they lost apirita

[lofty shale]

well yea obviously they're below where we thought they'd be and they got fucked by circumstances but it doesn't change that some of their gameplay sorta frustrating to watch

i think an argument can be made for valiant>chengdu

but chengdu fucked them pretty hard though

so idk

[next mesa]

Valiant strong

[cloud latch]

I think junkerqueen is gonna be pretty dog

[balmy wolf]

in league i think

she feels like a champ for solo q

kinda like hog

but more useful than him

[cloud latch]

please dont solo q hog in my games

🙏

[tawdry hamlet]

Yo tf did Eileen do lmao

[tropic herald]

ur mom

[balmy wolf]

nobody knows

[fathom igloo]

I have made the best starting roster imo from the last 4 seasons (not using this season and going 5v4) DPS. We have fleta, pelican tank either fury/fearless, support violet and twilight

Actually jjonak twilight

[full lichen]

FURY?????

I would take Piggy or Punk over Fury

[balmy wolf]

if i had to make the best starting roster i think hawk venom kai ojee and uv could work

[fathom igloo]

I'm taking them at their peak

Also full Korean

[balmy wolf]

full korean probably pelican venom iris

thats all i need

and edison

not biased btw if u were wondering

[earnest leaf]

best roster with players at their peak would be leave/ans/smurf/choi/viol2t/one of ljg/fastro/moth

OT you could take void or hanbin too, those 3 at their peaks don't vary much

[next mesa]

here folks we see a wild ans simp

in his natural environment

[fathom igloo]

Happy is better then ans hell decay at his peak is

[earnest leaf]

Shit on current ans all you want

His peak in s3 was the best HS play we have seen

what that man did to teams on widow alone was not fair

also peak decay doesn't come close to top hitscans at their peak

kai/happy/lip/ans/shy roll peak decay

[tropic herald]

Shit on current ans all you want
His peak in s3 was the best HS play we have seen
what that man did to teams on widow alone was not fair
also peak decay doesn't come close to top hitscans at their peak
kai/happy/lip/ans/shy roll peak decay

[cloud latch]

Shit on current ans all you want
His peak in s3 was the best HS play we have seen
what that man did to teams on widow alone was not fair
also peak decay doesn't come close to top hitscans at their peak
kai/happy/lip/ans/shy roll peak decay

[twin bloom]

He is correct about decay

Decay is a middling player who threw dallas scrims

Sad

[next mesa]

peak ans got shit on by 3 widows in the playoffs

but i agree with decay

[earnest leaf]

playoffs admittedly was not the best performance for ans on widow

although vs fits, he was even widow duel wise every map except gib

but his ashe was good in the playoffs when his widow went down

[next mesa]

how are u not fan

fits

gapped the fuck out of him

on like

hollywood as well

and ans ashe is super overrated

[balmy wolf]

I think ans is overrated he had great peaks and he seems like an amazing guy

Just not the player he was before

[earnest leaf]

getting his players to chip in their salary to sign another player

very cringe

also ans ashe I don't think is overrated

it's like solidly A tier

[devout path]

The gay energy

[willow tartan]

no issue

player agreed to it

[balmy wolf]

and the fact 2 of the players play for free

[earnest leaf]

just because the players agreed doesn't mean it's really fucking weird

[balmy wolf]

yeah

[willow tartan]

its weird but im not to judge what other people do behind closed doors and consent to

[balmy wolf]

yeah

its not a big deal if none of them have a problem

its just a really weird thing going on

[earnest leaf]

I just think it's bad someone in a position of power with lots of trust into them is using that to keep making his crackhead roster

[balmy wolf]

like this has never happened in owl and as far as i know in esports

[earnest leaf]

also cringe on the org that multiple players aren't even fucking paid

[willow tartan]

the players can decide themselves

they aren't high school students

[balmy wolf]

yeah

[willow tartan]

also yeah idk how LGE/Immortals is letting this happen

[balmy wolf]

the guys that dont get payed say theyre perfectely fine they have full time jobs and just like being an owl player as a big hobby

[willow tartan]

no chance nohill just decided to sign a player and instead of asking the org for money he goes to the players right?

[balmy wolf]

i nwouldnt give him money

[willow tartan]

the org just say "NO" and then nohill decides to sign a player anyway?

[balmy wolf]

with the current state of the valiant i wouldnt give them money until off season

cause i feel like they needs millions to be able to do anything significant this year

i say u just wait until off season where your options for new players isnt as limtied

[willow tartan]

in reality the LAV is just a cult and marve1 is the newest person to be brainwashed

[devout path]

Probably the players really wanted them

[willow tartan]

itll come out in 9 years that nohill is some satanist

[devout path]

The players probably wanted him and asked nohill and he asked the org for money and then nohill told the players the org said no and the players offered to chip in

Hopefully

Or else I hate all of them

[earnest leaf]

I highly doubt it was a player idea

[willow tartan]

whatever the way it is the players agreed to it and that's on them

[balmy wolf]

^

if the players agreed then so be it

weird desicion? possibly

but they wanted it

[earnest leaf]

It's on the org and nohill

[willow tartan]

remember krystal getting sued 2 million USD and him just not giving a fuck because he's got cash for days?

[balmy wolf]

its not "on everyone" if everyone on the team is fine with it

[willow tartan]

CN overwatch crazy

[earnest leaf]

Again, a coach who knows he's well respected and trusted using that to coerce his players into chipping in parts of their salary to get another player is really really fucking bad

[balmy wolf]

okay now

[earnest leaf]

Just because the players agreed to it doesn't make it ok

[balmy wolf]

we have no idea that happened

[willow tartan]

bro its not like the players are mindless drones

they can decide for themselves what they want to do

[balmy wolf]

theres is no proof or solid evidence that he pressured them into giving up salary

[earnest leaf]

and there is no proof it was a happy go lucky all agreed upon thing

[balmy wolf]

except there is

the players are all fine with it

thats pretty solid proof

[earnest leaf]

you guys are missing the point

[willow tartan]

its not like fucking NoHil is going to beat you up if you don't agree to sign marve1

the players are able to consent to something like this

[balmy wolf]

this is like if you tell a pregnant woman "i know your happy being pregnant but im not happy i think its disgusting"

[earnest leaf]

???????????

That's no where near what this is

[balmy wolf]

it is

[willow tartan]

i dont see it

[balmy wolf]

the people this issue actually involves are all happy

but people who it doesnt affect are the only ones upset

[earnest leaf]

I don't care if the players are happy

[balmy wolf]

well you should

thats the most important factor

[earnest leaf]

I think it's bad that a coach has to ask his players to use their salary to get another player

and bad on the org for letting it happen

and bad on owl for also letting it slide

[willow tartan]

Flameknight surprised that players can negotiate their pay

is it weird? yes. is it wrong if the players consent? no.

[balmy wolf]

^

[earnest leaf]

It's still wrong if the players agree

[willow tartan]

why?

[balmy wolf]

this happens all the time in like every job

[earnest leaf]

Because their needs to be a proper standard of contracts for the league

[willow tartan]

what league rule is being violated for players negotiating their pay?...

[earnest leaf]

This is spitting in the face of that and just saying you can have your players buy other players at will with their salaries

[willow tartan]

if they agree to take lower pay then that's whatever, who cares.

[earnest leaf]

this isn't negotiating their pay, it's taking payment from their already signed contract and using it for another players

[balmy wolf]

do you have any proof that he just took the money and they didnt come to this conclusion together

[willow tartan]

contracts can effectively be modified if both parties are willing

[earnest leaf]

It would be entirely different if players were all in the phase of negotiating a contract, and agreed to take a pay cut to fit within the given budget

[willow tartan]

that is not an issue

if the players didnt want to take a cut they could have just said no

but they didnt

therefore its fine

[earnest leaf]

the point is we don't know if they all willingly agreed to do it, what if multiple of them were not all in but were pressured in by the coach they have a lot of trust in

[willow tartan]

then that's their fault for breaking to pressure

[earnest leaf]

Flat out, players using their own salary to sign another player should not happen

[willow tartan]

they are old enough to decide for themselves

[earnest leaf]

Should be no argument against it

[balmy wolf]

we dont know that for sure but we have a whole lot of reasoning to believe they agreed perfectly fine on it

[willow tartan]

it should not happen but it did happen and if the players are fine then it is not mallicious

[earnest leaf]

It doesn't matter if it was malicious or not

It's bad altogether

[balmy wolf]

honestly

i see it as a good thing

fuck

the good top 3 teams

are constantly getting more money from winning

[willow tartan]

why do u think esports players have managers?

[balmy wolf]

we need a way for worse teams to get good players

[willow tartan]

to help manage their contracts

[earnest leaf]

No team in owl is making a profit currently

unless something changed

[willow tartan]

OWL teams are currently in deficit yes

some orgs are just buying more into it

whereas immortals does not give a fuck

[balmy wolf]

glads are sure in a lot less of a deficit than other teams

[willow tartan]

they want to leave

[earnest leaf]

You would need a salary cap for that

which iirc is practically gone for owl now

[balmy wolf]

every single time theres a bidding war or a good player top teams instantly have the right of the way to the player in almost every case

if anything thats the bigger problems

[willow tartan]

orgs just dont wanna spend more money on their team

thats it

[balmy wolf]

not bad teams picking up hopefully good players

[willow tartan]

not that they cant spend more

[earnest leaf]

and the only way to get a player without raw cash is having a good reputation like shock or dallas or shd

[balmy wolf]

yeah

so who would ever sign to the charge unless thats their only offer

and if it is clearly they arent the best player

[willow tartan]

yeah but long term its good for the esport

[balmy wolf]

what is

[willow tartan]

you could cap it but that stunts the growth

that its competitive

in acquiring talent

cause that means wages go up (assuming the league does good)

as more orgs want to do good in the league

[balmy wolf]

i agree

[willow tartan]

besides we've had plenty of breakout talent from contendies

[balmy wolf]

where did all the good contenders players go this season? serious question

did they all go to atlanta and sfs

i feel like i dont hear "he was amazing in contenders" for any other teams

in the west

[willow tartan]

??

i mean

we have many players who were not particularly good in tendies but performed exceedingly well in OWL

that is what i am saying

[balmy wolf]

yeah nah im just curious

like outside of the argument

[earnest leaf]

glads/toronto/shock/atl/dallas/florida all got good contenders talent

[willow tartan]

vigilante

[balmy wolf]

oh yeah glads that reminds me

is patiphan considered a rookie?

[earnest leaf]

yea

[willow tartan]

he never played in the league

[balmy wolf]

:(

forgot

i keep hearing about his backstory i keep thinking he used to play

in the league league

[willow tartan]

no

the league did not exist when he played

[balmy wolf]

i feel like he could be a runner for roty i think atm he defintely isnt but looking at how much hes improved

[willow tartan]

well actually he did play in tendies after

write that statement off

[balmy wolf]

i think if he keeps going his improvment in the 1 season would be a big factor in roty

[willow tartan]

I think if glads do good that is the big factor in roty

[balmy wolf]

yeah

but tbf he would be competing against reiner

[willow tartan]

cause in most regards

[balmy wolf]

and i dont see space playing for reiner any time soon

[willow tartan]

he is performing better than ans

[balmy wolf]

def

[willow tartan]

(because ans plays 2 heroes)

[balmy wolf]

and isnt the best at one of them anymore

idk abt his ashe tho

[willow tartan]

also he shares a role with kevster though so there is potential for him to be outshined

he needs to mega pop off this stage

[balmy wolf]

yeah

i feel like ans would do good on another team

[earnest leaf]

his hard HS is all plenty fine, wonder if his sojourn is good though

[balmy wolf]

SEND ANS TO THE CHARGE

probably not better than pati

[willow tartan]

charge cant afford eileen bro

[earnest leaf]

since it seems good hard HS players are nasty at sojourn

[balmy wolf]

i agree that hs players are the best sojourns

but ans doesnt play any hitscans similar to sojourn

he plays sniper hitscans

while the good sojourns play soldier and cassidy

[willow tartan]

yeah i would assume mccree players would be good at soj

[earnest leaf]

a lot of the good sojourns are mainly hard HS

so cree/ashe/widow

[balmy wolf]

soldier

i think soldier is the biggest similarity

[earnest leaf]

kai/happy/kilo

[willow tartan]

the shanghai dragons are going to diff every other sojourn in the tournament

god tier hitscan

[earnest leaf]

lip sojourn will be interesting

[balmy wolf]

yeah but kai wasnt known for his widow or ashe, hes now known a bit for his widow on gibraltar but kai is mostly known as a godly cassidy

[earnest leaf]

kai is known for his widow/ashe/cree

ashe the most probably

[willow tartan]

^

ashe

KSP gaming

[balmy wolf]

i feel like i only remember him playing cassidy last year as big parts

althought

im mostly remembering the game he replaced eddison

thats like the only kai performance i remember

[earnest leaf]

he did play a lot of cass last year, but a ton of ashe in s3

[balmy wolf]

that might be it also i never watched him back in s3

[willow tartan]

his brand is built upon ashe widow

[balmy wolf]

first time i saw him was on the reign

[devout path]

Kai is known as an amazing ashe

Like a really really fucking good ashe

[willow tartan]

Worse than LIP Shy MN3

[devout path]

I haven’t watched enough shy and MN3 this season to make a reasonable answer

And Ashe hasn’t been played that much this season

[willow tartan]

Been played way more in APAC

Also shy definitely better ashe in 2021

He pounded mega hard JJ

[devout path]

In 2021 yeah

Shy pounded so hard

LIP did too

[willow tartan]

I would let Shy Ashe pound me

dude was freak

[devout path]

Where’s that one tweet

[willow tartan]

?

[devout path]

About spark

[willow tartan]

i definitely know that one tweet about spark

[devout path]

https://twitter.com/fei_yaaa/status/1509153515125735424?s=21&t=rTbe1FbU2OA9Ab5t2utX7A

fei (@fei_yaaa)

GUYS THIS IS SHY
HANGZHOU SPARK PLAYERS BACK AT IT AGAIN THIS TIME WITH CATGIRL COSPLAY

Likes

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Retweets

176

▶ Play video

Twitter · Mar 30, 2022, 1:00 PM

This one

[willow tartan]

i dont see how this is relevant to shy ashe

[devout path]

Shy

[willow tartan]

its like you have to post the gif whenever someone says hybrid

[devout path]

Which one

There are two

[willow tartan]

kings row

[devout path]

They’re both on kings row

The reaper one or the cass one

[balmy wolf]

fuck me

uhm

i mean

hi

[devout path]

No

[balmy wolf]

NOT U

im shy around shy

[devout path]

Same

[balmy wolf]

god he makes me so gay

[devout path]

When shy goes meow

[balmy wolf]

frrrrr

i go

🧎‍♂️

[lost thicket]

Proper misses the pulse bomb on fielder, lands it on the pillar behind him fielder moves away but Mikeyy charges in slams fielder against the wall right as it explodes killing Fielder

so fucking cool

[willow tartan]

how do shock fans make missing a pulse bomb into a dick ride

[lost thicket]

cause it was a good team play

that allowed the kill to the end of the first sub map

also it happened really fast like in few seconds he saw came and slam

[hot onyx]

https://twitter.com/cashmontanaow/status/1539301847374118912?s=21

Cash Montana (@CashMontanaOW)

According to sources, Chinese Monsoon has signed former Paris Eternal flex dps Nicolas "NiCOgdh" Moret.

Twitter · Jun 21, 2022, 5:38 PM

https://twitter.com/cnmonsoonow/status/1539325283022544896?s=21

Chinese Monsoon (@CNMonsoonOW)

We would like to come out right now and set the record straight.
This is NOT true.

We only sign good players from the CN region.

Twitter · Jun 21, 2022, 7:12 PM

[frosty patrol]

800 Binz Ak1te N1ghtg0d princess charon?

[hot onyx]

Not 800

Better

Zebag

[frosty patrol]

he’s korean

fraudulent org

[hot onyx]

I know but he was in the chinese region

[frosty patrol]

he is unlike 800 not the future of chinese overwatch

he’s the future of korean overwatch

[hot onyx]

That title belongs to Clestyn

[frosty patrol]

excuse me that title belongs to the following lineup

zebag clestyn hidden spectra sanguinar quasid

[hot onyx]

Imagine being Clestyn watching Unique Krillin and Belosrea make it in the league while you’re stuck in Contenders

[frosty patrol]

krillin deserved it

but also if fusion were smart would’ve signed sado clestyn sanguinar krillin as a realistic tank and support line

[frosty patrol]

this is such a bad list

also they didn't rank viol2t lastro gangnamjin or lengsa

[tacit herald]

Damn what happened to admiral?

Turned Russian and got addicted to bath salts it seems

[willow tartan]

what the fuck am i looking at

why does this exist

please get rid of it

[restive nexus]

Yeah all lists where anyone fuel is s tier is ass

[frosty patrol]

besides hanbin and arguably fielder

[cedar oasis]

Hanbin fielder chiyo all s tier

[frosty patrol]

or reaper tier lists

or winston tier lists

[willow drum]

NO WAY

FIXA IS SAME AS DRIDRO

[north relic]

opener not E?

[willow drum]

admiral so high oml

[north relic]

i will not stand for nisha slander

[hot onyx]

Dridro slander

And Nisha

Holy shit

Never has there been a more brain numbed individual

[willow drum]

its fine

he will go 2 shock

[cloud latch]

nah keep coluge

[hot onyx]

He better fucking not

[fathom igloo]

And glister

[hot onyx]

I said Clestyn because he was on the same team as those three but Glister as well

[fathom igloo]

Ah

Yeah I mostly just watched the justice play in 2020

[hot onyx]

Poor sod

[cloud latch]

glister makes sense tho he's cracked

[hot onyx]

Put him on Dallas and their roster is fixed

[cloud latch]

factual

[fathom igloo]

I'm really intrested in glister gets picked up or not

[cloud latch]

🙏 hopefully

[hot onyx]

He is one of the better hitscan players in the league, he should get signed

[cloud latch]

not to mention he's flexible

[hot onyx]

Unless time on Paris drops your interest that low

[fathom igloo]

isn't he still young for league standered

[hot onyx]

He’s like 20

[cloud latch]

which would make it easier for dallas 👀

[fathom igloo]

these are his peak years

[hot onyx]

If Glister goes to Dallas he ties the record

[cloud latch]

for what

[frosty patrol]

there's like 30 players to tie the record

not interesting

[cloud latch]

teams played on?

[frosty patrol]

yes

[hot onyx]

Player on most teams in a career

Tied with Fissure Rascal and Hotba

[frosty patrol]

and more

[fathom igloo]

Has decay only played on three

[hot onyx]

Who else has been on 4?

[frosty patrol]

kariv

[hot onyx]

Valiant Defiant Charge

3

[frosty patrol]

mayhem

[hot onyx]

Oh fuck yeah

How silly

[frosty patrol]

sans count to 4 challenge

[hot onyx]

Mayhem is the most forgettable team in the league forgive me

[cloud latch]

no

toronto is

[hot onyx]

Fuck off Toronto they have talent and coaching feuds

[cloud latch]

actual sleeper of a team zzz

always has been

[hot onyx]

Top 5 backline and main tank = forgettable

[frosty patrol]

funnyastro is on his 3rd

nero also at 3

twilight 3

[cloud latch]

was fa on atl?

[frosty patrol]

yes

[cloud latch]

wow atl

just wow

[frosty patrol]

lastro is at 3

[cloud latch]

so glad he didn't stay on atl

[cunning patrol]

I’m not

They would have made good use of his talent

Imo

[frosty patrol]

mirror is at 3

kalios 3

happy 3

[hot onyx]

Who cares about 3

Get some more fours

[frosty patrol]

I'm going through every player mentally

[cloud latch]

might be true although I hate atl

[split flume]

Carpe is at 1

[frosty patrol]

envy 3

gamsu 3

decay 3

xzi 3

anamo 3

[cloud latch]

speaking of carpe can I just tahnk seoul for beating them and giving them another 2nd place 😂

[hot onyx]

Yes Babybay Erster Edison Hawk (building phase) Gator Dogman and coach Sephyy would be better than Carpe Heesu Ivy Fury Sado Alarm KDG

[frosty patrol]

babybay is the goat

[hot onyx]

So is Landon

[frosty patrol]

fury is at 3

aimgod is at 3

[next mesa]

How is that remotely the players and coaches fault lmao

[frosty patrol]

kuki is at 3

[split flume]

I went to that message and instantly saw another L memeicus take

Classic

[next mesa]

Ikr

Sigh

[frosty patrol]

kuki playing on 3 teams now is funny

[split flume]

Kuki got carried by fate in 2020

[frosty patrol]

he wasn't a player in 2020

otherwise he'd be at 4

[split flume]

Yes I know

[north relic]

kuki not a player

[frosty patrol]

on the roster

[willow drum]

who is the ed little 5

[hot onyx]

Elaborate

[north relic]

all shock fans

[frosty patrol]

dullahan mystary forgoodking kng mykl fan is 4 of them

imo

oh triste

he's definitely little 5

ok so little 5 is triste dullahan mystary forgoodking kng mykl fan imo

[willow drum]

wrong

forgood and pokemobpat

[frosty patrol]

pokemonpat not bottom 5

[willow drum]

worst takes

[frosty patrol]

he's a solid bottom 7

[willow drum]

imo he is

[frosty patrol]

actually

[willow drum]

if not little 5

[frosty patrol]

if you don't count mystary as an ed user

[willow drum]

little 6

[frosty patrol]

he is little 5

[willow drum]

yes

[frosty patrol]

but I count mystary

[willow drum]

flameknight is little 7

as well

[frosty patrol]

actually I'd put flameknightt bottom 5

pokemonpat 6th

mystary 7th

[cunning patrol]

Agree

[willow drum]

imo i am big 10

at very least

[hot onyx]

Forgoodking Mystary kng (na takes) Dink Levy (takes involving a team he supports)

[cunning patrol]

Where is dullahan

He is r worded

[willow drum]

thoughts on uvalo

[cunning patrol]

Levy is a goat

As well

[willow drum]

bottom 7

[hot onyx]

Levy is an intelligent human being

He just lets his bias cloud his judgement

Whereas I let my bias do the opposite

[willow drum]

profraud

simps

[hot onyx]

And use it to shit on my team

To a further extent

Uvalo does not watch the matches

He shits on Hotba despite saying he watched him play 5 matches in 2021

[frosty patrol]

Calling Levy bottom 5 is like calling the queen a genocidal maniac

it's the opposite of true most of the time

[hot onyx]

No she’s just an entitled rich kid

Levy is normally a smart person

As soon as he talks about Seoul or Valiant though

He’s in FGK tier

But his opinions on all other teams are A+

[twilit oriole]

Stfu

[willow drum]

imo his lav takes are good

[twilit oriole]

I know your not talking

[willow drum]

i love diya as well

[twilit oriole]

Mf is a fusion die hard fan who thinks they will win something in their life time

[willow drum]

valiant better than cdh gzc

this stage

[hot onyx]

Have you read a single message I sent this year?

[willow drum]

diya sojourn 🤤

[hot onyx]

Preseason I had Fusion 12-13

[willow drum]

arent tgere only 24 games ?

[hot onyx]

Yes

I mean placed 12th to 13th

Depending on how well Vigilante integrated with Justice

[cunning patrol]

This is very bad

[balmy wolf]

whats very bad

[cloud latch]

my takes are all based

[worn falcon]

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/akshon-media-named-an-official-content-production-partner-for-2022-season-of-overwatch-league-and-call-of-duty-league-301572853.html

🐢

[willow drum]

https://twitter.com/owpathtopro/status/1537495314717806592

Overwatch Path to Pro (@owpathtopro)

We’ll be providing an update on Summer Series and future Path to Pro tournaments on 06/21. Can’t wait to see you in OW2!

Likes

306

Twitter · Jun 16, 2022, 6:00 PM

update check

they mean 6/21/2023

[worn falcon]

path to poverty and bad discord logs

[north relic]

30+ new skins

remember when we got two legendaries in an event

[worn falcon]

30 new skins are those reworked skins for ow2

[north relic]

u mean like genji hoodie

just hero classic reworks?

[worn falcon]

Yeah, that's my bet

[static pond]

How will we earn the skins tho?

Apparently loot boxes are getting removed

[north relic]

battlepasss

[static pond]

So the first bp gonna have 30 skins

?

[north relic]

every battlepass will probably

[coarse shore]

Some from there some you can buy from the shop

[earnest leaf]

If you could read. That part I said was on the org and owl

[willow tartan]

Sans has so much doomium for the fusion that he has to announce himself at customs during international transit

[next mesa]

Players and coaches pouring their salary to sign a player just shows their dedication to winning

Your point is completely flawed

If they believed marvel was the missing piece 🤷🤷

[earnest leaf]

No it's a dogshit thing that shouldn't be happening in the league

I don't care if the players agreed

I don't care if the players are happy about it

It's not a good thing, and it's bad that nohill asked his players to do it, it's bad the org doesn't do anything, and bad OWL doesn't do anything

[cunning patrol]

Nohill is an r word with his roster building

[earnest leaf]

But he gets a pass for stupid decisions because "quirky funny coach man"

[cunning patrol]

He is a good coach

But not a very good roster builder

[next mesa]

He is good everything

[next mesa]

Your anger is misguided imo

OWL and valiant are jokes

The people themselves are trying their best despite circumstances

[cunning patrol]

He isn’t

His roster is horrible

If he signed good playas

[next mesa]

It's quite genius

Imo

[cunning patrol]

Like kaneki or apr1ta

[next mesa]

Haker will be a secret

[cunning patrol]

Valiant are too 3 apac

[next mesa]

Dark horse MVP candidate

[cunning patrol]

Haker is not a player unfortunately

[earnest leaf]

I am also blaming owl and valiant, but nohill isn't completely innocent

[next mesa]

He is TBH

He is carrying that poverty franchise

He single handedly secured their practice facility

while valiant was picking their fucking nose

[trim shadow]

Damn we are rlly letting Nohill basically coercise his players into@poverty cause hes a fun dude

Jesus we have fallen

[frosty patrol]

if the players agree to fork out 600 bucks for the marve1 contract then why not let them

30-day contracts are not that expensive

[trim shadow]

U think valiant signed someone like marvel for a 30 day contract

[frosty patrol]

yes

we know for a fact it is a 30-day contract

[trim shadow]

Mann ill see yall this weekend

[hot onyx]

https://twitter.com/dallasfuel/status/1539684647562403840?s=21

Dallas Fuel (@DallasFuel)

just when you thought you were safe...

▶ Play video

Twitter · Jun 22, 2022, 7:00 PM

[willow drum]

https://www.overwatchleague.com/en-us/news/path-to-pro-update-summer-series-tournament-details-and-game-launch-events

We are excited to confirm that Overwatch Path to Pro & Collegiate competition are planning to return after the Oct. 4 launch of Overwatch 2 and will share more as details are finalized!

[cunning patrol]

That was ezayhan

[next mesa]

its nohill with his personal connections

[twin bloom]

People who hype up nohill have no basis for their claims

Excepts if they are players

[normal flame]

where is all team voice

?????

[cunning patrol]

Shut up

[ivory stag]

is that all u say in this chat unter?

[cunning patrol]

I’d say

Around a tenth of my messages

Are along those lines

[north relic]

not very close

[cunning patrol]

Along those lines

[raw ermine]

more like 1%

[tawdry hamlet]

Decay was very flashy and will always be rated too high on account of existing

We hate decay

Also isn't the whole point of having a league to provide oversight and shit so that teams can't do goofy things like having to pay their teammates salary consensual or not. Like wouldn't the NFL or NBA intervene if Tom Bradys salary was being paid by his teammates lmao

Just feels unreal how far owl has fallen

[tawdry hamlet]

Dink

[frosty patrol]

I mean

taking issue with the marve1 thing is ridiculous

[tawdry hamlet]

I don't care if they pay his salary because the org is shit but isn't the point of the league to like punish organizations or owners for failures

[frosty patrol]

the org didn’t want to pay the 30-day contract but players and coaches unanimously wanted him

[frosty patrol]

no the point of a league is to collect franchise payments from teams and revenue from events

there’s no reason this should be regulated

since it’s just

low budget team moment

the same thing would happen on 14 other owl teams

if you’re saying the org is shit you’re basically saying their budget is shit

because the org did nothing wrong

[north relic]

your mano take

[tawdry hamlet]

But don't they have an 8 man roster

[north relic]

brings you down several spots

[willow drum]

lsd who is ur big 5

[frosty patrol]

they have 6 players paid for by the org

lengsa molly diya sasin becky innovation

[north relic]

l, s, d, o, w

[willow drum]

?

[frosty patrol]

haker is a content creator

ezhan is paying a membership fee to chat with his buddy nohill basically

[tawdry hamlet]

Hehe

OK but one thing I can't fathom, surely if Kai or some other bigger player left keeping valiant in na couldn't have been that much more expensive right

Like whatever they paid the Chinese company to run it can't have been that much cheaper than just ditching Kai and like one other player and paying minimums

[frosty patrol]

immortals wanted out of owl management

lgd wanted in

[tawdry hamlet]

I would too lmaoo

[frosty patrol]

immortals and lgd share revenue

[tawdry hamlet]

I wonder how much an owl team is worth now

Close to that 40 mil buy in

[frosty patrol]

I mean

valiant are very high value now

[willow drum]

we can prob buy an owl franchise

tbh

just get enough money

[frosty patrol]

because ezhan bought them assets

[north relic]

smash overwatch?

[frosty patrol]

ezhan’s membership fee includes practice facilities, nohill’s 4 million dollar salary, and a mansion

[frosty patrol]

10 mins

[plush grail]

https://tenor.com/view/alls-all-good-its-all-good-gif-13789085

[tawdry hamlet]

If they bought a really really bad team at like the s4 off-season pre ow2 owl news you wouldn't even have to be an incredibly successful celebrity like 500 million range you could be a mid tier one like 60 million net worth and buy a whole ass owl team

[frosty patrol]

LA valiant probably worth 1.8 billion

in ezhan assets

[tawdry hamlet]

I'm referring to Na teams like titans 😡

[hot onyx]

He is worse than Sado on a better team, how is that a bad take?

[tawdry hamlet]

Chinese market too lucrative to ever be cheap

[frosty patrol]

NYXL probably worth 2.5 billion in libero assets

[tawdry hamlet]

Titans give off so much Sacremento Kings energy

[hot onyx]

Average NYXL player apologist imo

[tawdry hamlet]

S3 nyxl was extremely overrated 😴

I'll die on that hill

If you separated those players across the league they'd be very good but they don't fit together and coaching meme

[hot onyx]

Whoever owns my voodoo doll is pissed at me rn my leg had a spasm and stopped functioning twice in the last 3 hours while walking

[north relic]

ez hero gauntlet

[cloud latch]

mike ? 🤨

[north relic]

he was 0-10 on cass

[cloud latch]

💀

[willow drum]

very questionable tbh

[frosty patrol]

my aimbot malfunctioned

[frosty patrol]

my fan the hammer shots kept missing

[north relic]

he also shot a deflecting genji with his ult

[frosty patrol]

didn’t know it was a genji

[willow tartan]

would roll u

[north relic]

thats cap

im a flex god

[tidal marsh]

https://twitter.com/frograider/status/1539665268284493825?t=5XX0jOtnzSPVy9NWD69wlg&s=09

Kinda yikes from glads

Sleepy (@frograider)

@LAGladiators u guys are so weird for this

Likes

202

Twitter · Jun 22, 2022, 5:43 PM

[hot onyx]

Yikes Wazowski

[ivory stag]

LOL SPace L

[tidal marsh]

wheres the public statement?

they can't keep it hidden under the rug forever

[tropic herald]

they can probably keep it as hidden as they want bc the allegations are bad if true but are not backed up well enough to be taken seriously unless more information is made public

[ivory stag]

Space does look like the type a guy ngl

[willow drum]

????

you can't say that wtf

being a groomer doesn't have a certain look

[tidal marsh]

That's a bit fucked

[willow drum]

(if the allegations are true)

[vagrant jacinth]

Yeah that's fucked

[willow drum]

I don't think you can say that someone looks like a pedophile

[tidal marsh]

There's no look for that

[willow tartan]

do not discuss the "situation" here before we get slowmoded

[willow drum]

we are discussing

if someone can look like a pedo or not

(you can't)

[willow tartan]

I love the Shanghai Dragons.

Do you love the Shanghai Dragons?

[willow drum]

no

[tidal marsh]

no

[cloud latch]

what situation?

:)

[willow tartan]

They are my favourite Overwatch League team.

I love the Shanghai Dragons.

[willow drum]

That is great

Sadly the LAV is better

(Diya diffs Lip)

/j

[tidal marsh]

Shanghai Mid

Washed

[willow drum]

3/4 place

weird

[vagrant jacinth]

London clears, first team to win a londillion games

[willow drum]

wrong

sf shock

will get

a morbillion wins

first

[willow drum]

oh yeah levi when lsd and i

killed mike in hero gauntlet

or gun game

[tidal marsh]

SF shock gonna choke again

[willow drum]

he would yell slurs

and say he was getting racially profiled

[cunning patrol]

u see i disagree

[cloud latch]

true and real

[frosty patrol]

false

[cloud latch]

bro

[tidal marsh]

Gonna lose to Atlanta AGAIN

[frosty patrol]

I said 1 unsavory word after the hero gauntlet

[willow drum]

not regular season

[frosty patrol]

not during

[willow tartan]

Mike looks like a terrorist. can confirm that he would be racially profiled

[devout path]

Mike said a gamer word

[frosty patrol]

but I did say I was being racially profiled

[willow drum]

you said you were being racially profiled

and you said a questionable word

[frosty patrol]

yes

[frosty patrol]

after

[willow drum]

after the hero gauntlet

[frosty patrol]

you said during

[willow drum]

my bad my memoery

is washed up tbh

[willow drum]

? explain

[cunning patrol]

i think that many pedophiles have many things in common

[hot onyx]

Spark would be great with 800 and Sanguinar

So would Fusion

And Charge

[cunning patrol]

i mean there is literally a mustache called a pedostache

[earnest leaf]

shock never choked this year, just got shit on by atl and dallas

[cunning patrol]

shock were coughing up penises on lan

they were choking

[hot onyx]

So many teams can fix their entire problems with the simple signings of 800 and Sanguinar

[tidal marsh]

I mean they went 6-0 on the regular season and then lost to ATLANTA

[earnest leaf]

atlanta isn't bad

[cunning patrol]

wow sans very insightful that the two best players outside of OWL at the two weakest roles in OWL would help teams

atlanta are a great team

[willow drum]

?

[hot onyx]

Correction

[willow drum]

wait nvm jazzy i read it again

[hot onyx]

Atlanta looks great because they are fielding their top tier off tank and not their bottom feeder main tank

[willow drum]

because surely you also agree

[cunning patrol]

so they are a great team

[willow drum]

that heesang is the best player

outside of OWL

[cunning patrol]

ye

[willow drum]

so i was confused there mb mb

[hot onyx]

Remove Gator and they are a great team

[willow drum]

choieseh and zest good tho so

is fine

[hot onyx]

Kai Hawk UV deadlift

Back busting players

[cunning patrol]

venom has been a goat

just very odd

pulse bombs

[hot onyx]

That’s cool but some would argue he is not as good as Snillo

[cunning patrol]

who is that nobody

oh

[hot onyx]

Autocorrect

[cunning patrol]

those people are r worded IMO

[hot onyx]

Those people are me

[cunning patrol]

snillo ran from owl to hide in a forest

[hot onyx]

Training arc

[north relic]

Picking mushrooms

actually just blinking irl

[hot onyx]

Also where tf are the retirement confirmations for Sado and Moth?

[willow drum]

moth did not retire

dumb dumb

[cunning patrol]

moth has retired

[tidal marsh]

New York needs to sign moth

[willow drum]

isnt he a FA?

[cunning patrol]

super said so

he jus didnt announce it

[north relic]

@cedar oasis draft is even worse now

[hot onyx]

Tragic

[north relic]

Moth is washed

[willow drum]

https://twitter.com/moth_ow

moth (@moth_ow)

Main Support FA • Former @SFShock and @USAOWWC • OWL 2019, OWWC 2019, and OWL 2020 Champion

Followers

31902

Tweets

718

Twitter

[cunning patrol]

sado i would assume also retired

[willow drum]

Main Support FA

(free agent)

Super has also said some other things LIKE

[north relic]

Imo he forgot his Twitter password

[cunning patrol]

moth is for sure retired

lol

[willow drum]

Viol2t has been the best Overwatch player from S1 to S3

untrue

[cunning patrol]

that is a reasonable take

that is also an opinion

while moth retiring is not an opinionated statement

[cloud latch]

did he play

[cunning patrol]

moth was washed asf in s4

he literally didnt care

[hot onyx]

Last known twitter activity is liking a Danteh tweet from April 2021

[hot onyx]

Super is brain dead when Viol2t wasn’t even the best flex support on his team in s3 let alone best player in the world

[willow tartan]

viol2t best flex support of s3 (if you ignore the fact he can't play one of the four flex heroes[ana])

[hot onyx]

And that his moira isn’t even top 3

[willow tartan]

yeah but moira was mostly irrelevant so

[hot onyx]

Still counts

[willow drum]

no

[hot onyx]

As one of four

[willow tartan]

yes

still counts

[willow drum]

sure but it holds less weight

[hot onyx]

But you can say one of the three real flex support heroes

[willow drum]

much less weight than the other 3

[willow tartan]

but anyways you really just need to

take shock flex supports as a package in season 3

[hot onyx]

Yes but don’t act like Viol2t moira was better than Fielder Alarm or Izayaki

[north relic]

i take an S bap S moira S ana S zen

over a S bap S zen A moira????? B+ ana

[hot onyx]

So do I

But Shock fans will argue that Viol2t is slightly more S than Alarm on bap and zen

And that’s why he’s better

[willow tartan]

izayaki zen >

[hot onyx]

I’m sure Zayaka was an AU Contenders player

[willow drum]

zayaka

[north relic]

alarm second place on bap zen

like the fusion player he is

[hot onyx]

Nope nothing on liquipedia

[earnest leaf]

viol2t can play ana

idk where this narrative got created

the man just doesn't like playing her it seems

[willow drum]

.

flameknight

you are being moved

[earnest leaf]

also had twilight on his team for two seasons, no reason for him to play her

[willow drum]

to my little 5

[cloud latch]

architect played her over violet

[willow drum]

this guy is actually stuck in 2020

💀

[hot onyx]

They were in my little 5 long before that statement

[willow tartan]

how do we know viol2t can ana if he's had less than 5 hours of playtime on her in 3 years

[cloud latch]

who are some trolls along with flameknightt?

[earnest leaf]

because he's plenty good at the other FS, would be some wild shit if he wasn't able to play her

[willow drum]

triste dullahan mystary forgoodking

[willow tartan]

that is the dumbest assertation i have ever heard

he is good at things that are not ana therefore he must be good at ana

[hot onyx]

How do we know Viol2t is a good ana when Shock has signed multiple other flex supports to play ana over him?

[willow drum]

pokemonpat

[earnest leaf]

Alright guys smurf can't play rein because he hasn't played her in 3 years

ggs

[willow drum]

kng myxl fan

and flameknight

[earnest leaf]

Also because his other flex supports are really good

[willow drum]

all are very poorly rated

[north relic]

alright guys fearless is good at rein and winston he must be elite at orisa and ball

[hot onyx]

Pokemonpat is a casual who religiously “only watched Justice matches in 2020”

[willow drum]

yes and casuals

[hot onyx]

Putting him in the little 5 is cheating

[willow drum]

should not argue

with the big 5

imho

[earnest leaf]

thing is we knew fearless wasn't the best at orisa and ball

[north relic]

we know viol2t ana is bad

he got benched by a fdps player

[earnest leaf]

my comparison with smurf was that he legit just hadn't played like any rein

[vagrant jacinth]

Sounds painful

[earnest leaf]

Go find me a game where viol2t played ana and played it poorly

[north relic]

i cant because he got benched by a fdps player

[cunning patrol]

he can

jus not very well

lol

[willow tartan]

Flameknight, you can't assume they are good if there is no information

[cunning patrol]

its very mid

[hot onyx]

Go find me a game where Viol2t played ana first

[earnest leaf]

Then you can't assume they are shit if they haven't played it

[cunning patrol]

viol2t has never been better than alarm

except in mayb like goats

[willow tartan]

I can assume that they are not better than Alarm Izayaki

[north relic]

you can if you are getting benched by fdps players

[earnest leaf]

I never said his ana was better than alarm or izayaki's

I just said it was probably fine

[hot onyx]

He was better fs than Alarm when Alarm was a main tank for BK Stars

[earnest leaf]

but you chimp brains take that as something else

[cunning patrol]

u guys scapegoatin flameknightt currently

viol2t can play ana it is just not very impressive

[hot onyx]

But once Alarm started playing fs the skill gap was noticeable

[cunning patrol]

nah alarm>

[willow tartan]

He is saying that even though Viol2t has played barely any ana, because he is good at other flex supports he is good at ana.

which is just actual pea brain take

[north relic]

if sado was shit in s3

alarm would bench him

[earnest leaf]

this is yall rn

[willow tartan]

light mode user

[earnest leaf]

it's not my SS

[willow drum]

https://tenor.com/view/explaining-gif-22499839

this is you rn trying to explain why viol2t was the best fs in s3

[earnest leaf]

I mean he was

[cunning patrol]

that is a reasonable take

lol

[earnest leaf]

He was the best bapt/zen when those two were meta majority of the time

[willow drum]

imo that take does not make sense

[willow tartan]

Reasonable take as long as you operate under the context of season 3

best all round FS though? no

those are two very different things

[hot onyx]

You’re arguing that a playing who has been benched by two fs and a fdps for a hero you claim is in his hero pool doesn’t mean he is not above average on said hero

I refuse to believe it is not an advanced trollge

[cunning patrol]

Viol2t was also the best player itw for all of goats

[earnest leaf]

holy fucking eu brain

[willow drum]

https://tenor.com/view/troll-pilled-gif-19289988

[cunning patrol]

And probably s2 as a whole

[earnest leaf]

Go find where I said his ana was above average

[willow drum]

agree

[cunning patrol]

And s3 is also a reasonable take

[earnest leaf]

I legit just said that he can probably play ana

[willow drum]

viol2t imo should have been his roty

[cunning patrol]

S1 is a stupid take

[willow drum]

not mf haksal

[cunning patrol]

Cuz jjonak

Viol2t was the best player on the best goats team

[hot onyx]

He can, just not well

[cunning patrol]

And there was no standout player on a weak team

Like s4 leave

[willow tartan]

Why not?

[hot onyx]

I can play ana, just not well

[north relic]

ana had a stage

[willow tartan]

Haksal popped off on off heroes

and still showed he was capable player

[hot onyx]

Still the better player because I don’t tell my support partner to off themselves if they don’t swap to a hero out of their hero pool though

[willow drum]

imo Viol2t did more than Haksal

[cunning patrol]

Haksal was like the 3rd best titans player in goats

[willow tartan]

His position has more impact

[willow drum]

I take twilight over haksal probably

[cunning patrol]

Jjanu n twilight clear him

[hot onyx]

Slime supremacy

[willow drum]

yes, and viol2t was better

[earnest leaf]

also tbf viol2t played 6.3 hours of ana in s2

[willow drum]

and viol2t won

[cunning patrol]

Slime was really good

[willow drum]

and he was more impressive

[cunning patrol]

In his prime

Viol2t imo had been robbed of being the most decorated player

In ow

[earnest leaf]

and viol2t went 27-5 map wise on ana in s2

[cunning patrol]

He deserved fmvp and roty

And in s3 arguably mvp even tho void >

[willow tartan]

Unless shock won shit he would still be behind God player WhoRU

[earnest leaf]

S3 he probably should have won mvp

but dps bias op

[cunning patrol]

WhereRU

[hot onyx]

Not when Alarm is in the same category and put up with KDG telling him to go brig

[cunning patrol]

Nah void >

[willow drum]

sadly titles matter

[cunning patrol]

Alarm viol2t and void were the best candidates

[willow drum]

and alarm never amassed any

[willow drum]

and fleta robbed them all

so sad tbh

[cunning patrol]

L

[hot onyx]

Leave moment

[willow drum]

#fletaisnotmeta

[cunning patrol]

Be a dps player next time

[willow drum]

#fletawashed

[willow drum]

leave stole it from lip

in hindsight

[cunning patrol]

Nah leave earned it

[hot onyx]

Show me Leave titles

[willow drum]

yes but imo lip deserved more