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sullen berry
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Heard a lot of the same conversations at a Halo infinite tournament on LAN over the weekend

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Most of it is a horrible unsupported mess of an esport

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Good thing Overwatch League hasn't proven to be an horrible viewer experience ☺

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Open beta release date last I checked

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But a good update regardless

vagrant jacinth
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It is, at least we've got an actual date for it

static pond
tropic herald
vagrant jacinth
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Insane if true holy fuck

next mesa
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rip

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stellar was good

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one of the 2 good players on UA

earnest leaf
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Were toronto in that much of a rush that a few hours was too long to get a player?

next mesa
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yeah that was sus

vagrant jacinth
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Ikr

next mesa
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there were 2 good players on UA

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victoria and stellar

earnest leaf
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I really don't believe an org is gonna give someone that little time to respond

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Unless they were about to scrim and needed someone asap

next mesa
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i just watched the trailer

trim shadow
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Yo those crazy blizzard bastards actually confirmed junker queen

next mesa
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ngl

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looks sick

trim shadow
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So will buff junkrat?

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Someone pull up that concept art i like that better

twilit oriole
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PlayStation also gets ow2 right

north relic
ivory stag
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lol

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screw PS

twilit oriole
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Fck you

cunning patrol
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My goat was robbed

twilit oriole
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Your goat was a fraud anyways

next mesa
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are you a PS user

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yikers

cunning patrol
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Paid more for a ms

twilit oriole
cunning patrol
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Than Shock did for proper

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Lies

next mesa
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moth

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haha

twilit oriole
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Not lying

twilit oriole
north relic
twilit oriole
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That’s the perk of being owned by the weekend

twin bloom
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It is funny how defiant are barely top 7

cunning patrol
twin bloom
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In the NA region

cunning patrol
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Placed lower than them

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In a bad meta for them

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🤣

twin bloom
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You were a boston

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Fan

cunning patrol
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They are

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My side hoe

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Seoul are my goats

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Only cuz of

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The fits

twilit oriole
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Just wait until we sign heesang

next mesa
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jazzy is based

earnest leaf
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I will always root for seoul because smurf is the best tank in the league

cunning patrol
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Heesanf is going to shock

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He told me himself

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I like every Seoul player

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Including profit (shockingly)

next mesa
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very based!

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profit has been

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pretty good

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imo

earnest leaf
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also I learned not long ago

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Profit has never won role star

twin bloom
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@twilit oriole Thoughts

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cunning patrol
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He woulda got one

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Unanimously

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In s1

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Imho

twilit oriole
twin bloom
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I disagree

cunning patrol
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Why

twilit oriole
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Mayhem are so ass

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Jus watch them get exposed

twin bloom
tropic herald
worn falcon
twin bloom
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Mayhem nearly took fuel to map 5

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Unlike defiant

twilit oriole
tropic herald
twin bloom
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Somegoat>>>

twilit oriole
earnest leaf
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Fearless is an overly aggressive winston otp who needs hanbin babysitting him to function

twin bloom
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TD fan blinded

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By results

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It is sad

cunning patrol
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Untrue

twin bloom
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Fearless can play rein

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Just like magazine

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Unlike moose

cunning patrol
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Muze is a top 7 reinguy

twilit oriole
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MUZE will finally get play time

twin bloom
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Defiant

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Nvm just checked

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Toronto will.go 1-5 this stage 🤣

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Just hope justice doesn't boom and London continues getting lucky

tepid ibex
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TD beat spitfire

twin bloom
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No london will continue abusing luck

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Imo

willow drum
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objectively the best player contendors has rn

twin bloom
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Heesang won't go to shoxk

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Imo

willow drum
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lmao why

twin bloom
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Crusty needs to fill

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The western player quota

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And Heesang will replace the 9mm

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Imo

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Which is bad for crusty's quota

willow drum
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the fuck

twin bloom
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It is true sadly

cunning patrol
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he is just coping

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cuz s9mm will be where he belongs

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(bad team)

twin bloom
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Titans

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With dpay

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Will become a big team

cunning patrol
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is that why u put them at the bottom

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of pr

twin bloom
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Of last stages

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Performance

white berry
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Still copiuming for chadi my king

twin bloom
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Which sadly places

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Titans little one

willow drum
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Heesang is so good

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Shock will be #1

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team next season

twin bloom
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They will be #1

willow drum
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They will have the GOATED dps line

twin bloom
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Now they have the 2nd best MT

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In NA

willow drum
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of Proper Heesang and Mn3

twin bloom
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History

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Imho

cunning patrol
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Mikeyy coluge and s9mm

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Are going to disgrace

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The na region

twin bloom
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About luge

cunning patrol
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Imo someone should sign vision

twin bloom
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Imo

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Coluge is a big

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Ot

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In owl

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Regardless of region

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Even though some individuals might claim

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Clestyn is better

cunning patrol
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cuz he is

twin bloom
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Severe bias

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Imo

cunning patrol
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it isnt

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i am biased towards luge in ag ood way

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i am hoping

twin bloom
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It is factually wrong

cunning patrol
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mr "eu >na" ntb

twin bloom
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Imo

cunning patrol
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has to eat his words

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and luge becomes a goat

twin bloom
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Fair

cunning patrol
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@twin bloom

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could luge

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do this

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??

trim shadow
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Overwatch with weapon inspect we have degraded kekw

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So im assuming beta is back next week since they are aiming for october

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“Hammer strike”

willow drum
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yes the next one

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is the last beta

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im assuming

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wait no

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2nd to last

trim shadow
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So it will run longer then 3 weeks?

willow drum
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no im assuming this beta ends july something

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and then another beta starts august

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and ends september

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and then the game releases

twin bloom
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Even frdwnr could

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Not that impressive

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Imho

trim shadow
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So they basically decided to save content for October unless the next beta is fucking bonkers like blizzard is back and kicking type shit

willow drum
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I am assuming that this current beta

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will have junker queen in it

cunning patrol
trim shadow
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Ill play devil and if the next beta basically doesnt have the massive reworks promised its a failure kekw

jagged crater
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whers OWL ?

lost thicket
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this has me unbelievably down bad

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those abs mamacita

cunning patrol
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not surprising

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that would make u horny

ivory stag
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it looks like a fortnut skin lmao

north relic
twin bloom
cunning patrol
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SHUT UP

twin bloom
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Tons of off tankers

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Could do that

ivory stag
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my grandma probs could

cunning patrol
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shut up

north relic
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its pretty obvious also

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you track blizzard

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you see them wall in front

cunning patrol
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In 100 attempts

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Imo

twin bloom
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Here is a list of off tanks who could do that

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Cowman711

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Icy

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Vulcan

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Frdwnr

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Manneten

cunning patrol
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Racist

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Takes

twin bloom
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Ok

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Xepher

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Could do that

cunning patrol
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He couldn’t

twin bloom
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Not alot

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Of bad KR

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Off tanks

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Tbh

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I was naming shit ones

ivory stag
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unter sounds like a bronze lvl player to me

north relic
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its common for a mei to wall to try to avoid their blizzard getting eaten

cunning patrol
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You couldn’t

twin bloom
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Just a HS playah

cunning patrol
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Player

ivory stag
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cap

twin bloom
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HS players

cunning patrol
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i play

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projectile

twin bloom
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Think off tank is impressive

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Sadly

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While off tank

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Easiest role

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In the game

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Imo

frosty patrol
cunning patrol
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ot is unironically

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the hardest

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at pro level

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lol

frosty patrol
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dva highest skill ceiling hero in the game besides echo

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and echo is on a technicality

earnest leaf
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MT clears in difficulty

twin bloom
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Imo

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97% of sig players

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In owl are good

frosty patrol
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hardest to play at a pro level:
Tracer
OT
FDPS
MT
FS
HS
MS

twin bloom
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But the 3%

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Hold the off tank role down

earnest leaf
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tracer is not the hardest lmao

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we have like 40 top tracer players

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hero is just broken

cunning patrol
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she is

frosty patrol
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takes people an insane amount of time to learn tracer

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everyone just

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has 4 million hours

earnest leaf
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sparkle took one off season and was A tier instantly

cunning patrol
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no he wasnt

frosty patrol
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mechanics

cunning patrol
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lol

frosty patrol
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dva tracer 2 hardest heroes easily if you don't count the Echo technicality

cunning patrol
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is far harder

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than fs

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lol

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imho

frosty patrol
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I mean

cunning patrol
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fs is insanely easy

frosty patrol
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ow2 fs has to not feed hard

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like you see krillin

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great fs in ow1

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dies 14 times per fight

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cannot do shit without insane peel

earnest leaf
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it goes MT>OT>FDPS>FS>MS>HS imo

cunning patrol
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bad take

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imo

earnest leaf
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cope

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imo

cunning patrol
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anyone who thinks ms or fs is hard

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mainly ms

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is an idiot

frosty patrol
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hs is definitely not the bottom

cunning patrol
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aiming

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with goats

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is hard

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imo

earnest leaf
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point and click

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good hitscan player created

frosty patrol
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going from no experience to pro level

cunning patrol
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pointing and clicking

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is hard

frosty patrol
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hs is much harder

cunning patrol
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at a pro level

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lol

frosty patrol
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than ms

earnest leaf
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pointing and clicking is the most easily grinded skill

cunning patrol
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it isnt

earnest leaf
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Hence why so many HS players lack brains

cunning patrol
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at a pro level

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it is very hard

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to grind to pro level aim

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lol

earnest leaf
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yes

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But easiest role in pro play I think

tropic herald
frosty patrol
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most easily grinded skill is IGLing

twin bloom
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MT is not the hardest role

earnest leaf
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True MT is the hardest

twin bloom
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In pro play

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Lol

frosty patrol
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because you already have awareness

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which is half of it

earnest leaf
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It has easily the most diverse hero pool in terms of what and how you play

frosty patrol
earnest leaf
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Hence why 99% of MT players still cannot play every MT to an elite level

twin bloom
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A bad MT can be carried

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Pretty easily

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In professional play

earnest leaf
frosty patrol
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fdps most diverse but you can carry yourself with mechanics or be a specialist

cunning patrol
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are shit

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lol

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its an underpopulated role

earnest leaf
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Because it's a hard role

twin bloom
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MT is hard in ranked play

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But not professional play

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Imho

cunning patrol
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only wrekcing wheel

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reinhardt

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and 1/2 of monkay

twin bloom
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Imo

hot onyx
twin bloom
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Overatted in terms of difficulty

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Rein is underrated

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In terms of difficulty

hot onyx
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Mechanically winston is only challenging when using primal

earnest leaf
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monkey neutral play easier than rein, but primal hardest ability in the game

twin bloom
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Also hog

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Is a very

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Hard MT

hot onyx
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But after watching players like StandDumb it made me realise that you actually need to use your brain with winston

twin bloom
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Imho

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Stand one was a monkey one play

hot onyx
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2020 hog

cunning patrol
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imo

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is juiggling

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maybe more like

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1/5

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of monkay

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?

twin bloom
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Agree

cunning patrol
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ok 👍

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reinhardt is very hard

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agree

cunning patrol
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engaging on monkey

hot onyx
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Bubble requires overwhelming talent to use correctly

cunning patrol
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is one of the easiest things

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in ow

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every monkay

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can get a decent engage

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including rio

cunning patrol
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is a very hard mechanic

hot onyx
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Kevster agrees with that statement

forest token
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blink up to big target or target that cannot move well

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click Q

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profit

cunning patrol
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that is very hard

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to do

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at a pro level

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imo

forest token
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mhm

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extremely hard

earnest leaf
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Primal is consistently the hardest mechanical ability in the game

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Pulse doesn't come close

cunning patrol
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primal is not hard

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cuz u can get value

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just by pressin it

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imo

forest token
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nah

cunning patrol
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ok not hard

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is a lie

twin bloom
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Imo If Blizz gets rid of primal

cunning patrol
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but you get value just by hitting

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q

forest token
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the difference in what you actually accomplish if you can properly control primal

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is fucking bonkers

twin bloom
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All the monkey one plays in owl

forest token
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so much more than just sticking a tank

cunning patrol
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it has a high

twin bloom
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Would be exposed

cunning patrol
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skill ceiling

forest token
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"I am alive and still around" versus "you are now where I want you because I said so"

cloud latch
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winston ez hero jump press e zap zap ez win

north relic
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ceiling wise primal probably highest ability

forest token
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oh man the shenanigans tanks are going through to dodge sleep rn

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insane

hot onyx
north relic
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imo if monkey lost jump

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he would be shit

forest token
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no really

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I can't believe it

hot onyx
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No because he would still have his shift

twin bloom
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If anything

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Looks good on monkay

hot onyx
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Losing the jump button would not detriment winston that much at all

twin bloom
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Because it is an ez champion

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Also plays it on a team

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With proper

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Finn

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And not skairipa seicoe

north relic
forest token
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losing jump button means you cannot bhop after landing

twin bloom
forest token
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so you cannot position at the edge of your bubble as well

hot onyx
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Reminder that zoning blade master is no longer on the same squad as False

twin bloom
north relic
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ok here is my take

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low floor high ceiling

hot onyx
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There is no issue with MirroRfist

willow drum
twin bloom
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Imo dpay

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Should just make False

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Into NA Hanbin

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Imho

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And aztac

earnest leaf
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dpei will carry titans

twin bloom
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Into 2020 wgs pheonix

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Aztac

earnest leaf
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to another 1-6 stage

hot onyx
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“Hey chump doom isn’t working I knew we shouldn’t put a dps on ta-“ MirroR has swapped to zarya (was doomfist)

twin bloom
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and aspire into Darkmode NA

earnest leaf
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because their schedule is fucking brutal

twin bloom
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Aspire

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And shockwave into 2020 shockwave vs AtL reign

hot onyx
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Good opinions

twin bloom
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Sadly

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Dpay can not save

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Masaa

hot onyx
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reing

twin bloom
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Or skairipa

cunning patrol
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skairipa

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is a disgrace

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imo

twin bloom
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Skairipa wishes it was last year

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When he would be a little 4 FS

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And not little 1

cunning patrol
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Hm

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He could imo

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Surpass

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Bebe

twin bloom
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He is probably better

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Than landon

cunning patrol
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His Ana

twin bloom
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This year tho

cunning patrol
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Is just questionable

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His baptiste

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Is revolutionizing

twin bloom
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He would be better than roolf ripa potentially Wya and kariv

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Imo

cunning patrol
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Wya

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Was a goat

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And very sexist

twin bloom
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What

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Lol

cunning patrol
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Just a dick

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To girls or something

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Apparently why

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Nobody signed him

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Just cheats on them

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Constantly

frosty patrol
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as opposed to farway

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who is his fiancée’s man

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also

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cheating on women isn’t inherently sexist

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it’s inherently assholish

willow drum
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cheating is assholish

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in general

north relic
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flaming plats for not having common sense is assholish

cloud latch
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mike response?

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👀

frosty patrol
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fuck people who cannot explain basic decisions like swapping

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well to be clear

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if you’re like

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bronze silver it’s okay

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just like how you don’t flame 10 year olds

uncut linden
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i love to play pharah into soldier widow bap ana

frosty patrol
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more power to you

raw ermine
cloud latch
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if calvin approves then I have no reason to doubt anymore 🙂

uncut linden
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i also play mccree, but i only use right click when doing so

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bit of a flex god

frosty patrol
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oh so you like to meme

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👍 good chow mein

north relic
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the reasoning could also just be "i want to play this hero"

frosty patrol
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then that’s not excusable

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either meme or try your best to win

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don’t act like you want to win and then basically meme while still saying you want to win

willow drum
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mike so toxic

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tf

north relic
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someone people want to have fun

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(playing the hero they want to)

frosty patrol
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then play qp

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or arcade

cloud latch
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mike out here acting like he hasnt played a hero he wanted to play for fun

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in comp

north relic
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(he is a bastion main)

willow drum
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funny character coach for ed

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after all

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how 2 get better at junkrat @frosty patrol

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i need to abuse this stupid character

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before it gets reworked and fixed

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junker queen > soujourn

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junker queen thighs all natural

cloud latch
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she better be

willow drum
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no synthetics like fraudjourn tbh

cloud latch
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oh

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in that way

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um

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yes I agree

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but you didnt hear it from me

willow drum
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lmao k

north relic
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When are we getting a monkey double tracer double ana meta

cloud latch
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maybe if we play ed

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I mean

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play no limits with ed

north relic
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I meant for owl

willow tartan
frosty patrol
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is hadi not more effective on rein than any other hero

cloud latch
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you went doom

cloud latch
frosty patrol
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imagine no limits ow1 brig 6 stack

willow tartan
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idgaf if u wanna play some off meta hero

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but u better actually try to win

cloud latch
frosty patrol
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90 hp/s for the whole team plus packs

willow tartan
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everyone who queues comp but doesn't try winning is immediately going straight to the lowest layer of hell

frosty patrol
willow tartan
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like those people are all wastes of existence

cloud latch
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not if its like 2-3 pharahs

frosty patrol
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ok true but this is also map dependent

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some maps the brigs still have a shot

cloud latch
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maybe

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if the brigs can hit all whipshots

frosty patrol
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yes

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also imagine 6 rallys

willow tartan
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6 brigs can easily be countered by 5 monkeys and 1 lucio

frosty patrol
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that would be unkillable

cloud latch
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depends if rally stacks

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also barrage would just win games

frosty patrol
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if rally didn't stack you'd also just have rally up permanently cycling it

cloud latch
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you better hope you can clone 6 skeweds

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or 6 ljgs

frosty patrol
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roster hole gator

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imagine 6 lucios

willow tartan
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thanks for linking that match

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pretty cool

frosty patrol
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5 heal full time 1 speeds full time

cloud latch
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6 lucios also lose to tanks

frosty patrol
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and so much dps

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not with focus fire

cloud latch
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going goata would just roll 6 lucios

frosty patrol
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6 baps

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would be funny

cloud latch
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it would be funny

willow tartan
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talking about what would be meta with no limits when its obviously going to be map dependent

frosty patrol
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we're talking about what 6 hero combination would be funny and broken

willow tartan
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6 sombra

cloud latch
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just invis all game

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😈

willow tartan
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ow2 invis hack

cloud latch
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make em keep thinking

frosty patrol
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what about genji vs squishies

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because 6 man dash is an instakill

willow tartan
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i mean

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just get all sigma tho

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or 5 sig 1 bap

earnest leaf
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350 damage if they roll through one person

willow drum
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would actually b rolled

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6 bap would be 2 op

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6 fields

frosty patrol
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it's not 350

willow drum
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wtf

frosty patrol
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you're a liar

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350/6 = not a whole number

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roll doesn't do a fraction of an hp

willow tartan
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rein dva mei bap bap lucio

frosty patrol
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ngl

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how can you say that 2021 shanghai isn't the best team of all time

willow tartan
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like how would you make that argument?

frosty patrol
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shock fans

cloud latch
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true

willow tartan
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if i were to play devil's advocate it would be something like they broadly succeeded under one composition that they played for a majority of the second half of the season

cloud latch
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2021 shanghai would 4-0 london and shock when they won

willow tartan
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but we all know using eyes that the players would've most likely won playing against any team and any other comp

frosty patrol
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shock got like

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their best possible meta but

willow tartan
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in the 2021 playoffs meta who is playing the sombra and ball

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on the 2020 shock

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or the 2019 shock

cloud latch
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oh yeah... hog meta

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😳

frosty patrol
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2019 smurf orisa = 2021 fate orisa
2019 choi sigma << 2021 void sigma
2019 architect/striker reaper < 2021 lip reaper
2019 s*natraa doom = 2021 whoru doom
2019 moth lucio < 2021 ljg lucio
2019 viol2t moira > 2021 izayaki moira

earnest leaf
willow tartan
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heyy that's what i said

earnest leaf
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I would argue they are the best dive team

static pond
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Did shock have a hyperflex in 2019? Like fleta?

earnest leaf
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But in other comps, no, they aren't easily the best

frosty patrol
static pond
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Honestly I thought he was a genji player

frosty patrol
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he is

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and at the time

fathom igloo
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Didn't they have sinatraa

cloud latch
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I saw him more of a tracer

fathom igloo
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And super

willow tartan
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by nature of the game improving every season the 2021 shanghai dragons are easily the best team (in absolute, not relative terms) in overwatch history so far

frosty patrol
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played doom widow reaper tracer pharah junk bastion mei pharah etc

earnest leaf
frosty patrol
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architect was known for his flexibility

earnest leaf
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You cannot in reasonable assumptions, say that a team that nearly one tricked a comp was the best team in all of OW

willow tartan
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i can based simply on the level of play and coordination from the players

frosty patrol
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dragons did not one trick at all?

earnest leaf
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2020 shock was doing exactly what 2021 shd was doing

willow tartan
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that they would skill diff any team from 2020, 2019, 2018, 2017 or 2016

static pond
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Sinatraa was kinda known for zarya and his tracer his tracer was fear my Korea during the world cup if I remember

frosty patrol
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they played a lot of monkey and some orisa

earnest leaf
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You are also greatly over exaggerating the difference in skill between one year for teams

frosty patrol
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s*natraa was known for zarya doom tracer genji basically

static pond
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Oh ya forgot about doom

frosty patrol
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2020 shock are definitely not the best team of all time

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the argument I could see is 2019 shock in relative terms

willow tartan
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i mean can you say any team is the best of all time

earnest leaf
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Best team is very weird to argue

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since it depends on which aspect

cloud latch
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and tracer

willow tartan
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well i am talking about in absolute terms

earnest leaf
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best relative to their opponents? probably 2021 shd or 2019 shock

static pond
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I think shock 2019 and dragons last season were probably two of the best imo

earnest leaf
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Best well rounded team for comps? probably 2020 shock

willow tartan
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if 2021 shanghai dragons had to prep for and play an official match against another overwatch team from the OW1 era from any period

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that they would win

lost thicket
static pond
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Just because dragons has huge pool flexibility

earnest leaf
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best rush team? best dive team? best bunker team?

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all depends

lost thicket
worn falcon
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shock best bunker team

frosty patrol
cloud latch
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shanghai best dive

frosty patrol
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also

lost thicket
earnest leaf
willow tartan
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nomegalul

worn falcon
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get the fuck out

static pond
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Ice cream

lost thicket
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better 2x shield and rush, better monkey dive

frosty patrol
lost thicket
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better on almost all roles and heroes, they would only loose under the ball meta

willow tartan
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????

lost thicket
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and it would still b e close

frosty patrol
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not in some region with 2 good teams and 1 other rotating good team

static pond
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I feel like dragons just had very good synergy

lost thicket
cloud latch
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just

lost thicket
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this is getting a bit too gay

cloud latch
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yeah shanghais players suck

static pond
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Better then from what we seen from shock at peak

frosty patrol
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shock vs shanghai in say

static pond
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That what makes them very good

frosty patrol
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monkey tracer echo dive

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I take shanghai

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tbh

earnest leaf
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yes

frosty patrol
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obv shock better on monkey

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nobody is arguing that but

earnest leaf
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I will pretty easily say 2021 shd would have beaten most teams comfortably on dive

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but for rush/poke, that isn't an easy choice

cloud latch
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rush is def interesting

lost thicket
cloud latch
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but even then fleta mei is pretty good

lost thicket
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though if it was ball/sombra yeah I'd take shanghai

static pond
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Rascal ist top flexible imo

earnest leaf
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shock 2020 rush would beat shd pretty easily

static pond
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He just picks up heros fast

cloud latch
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fate rein would be uhhhhh

frosty patrol
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(2020 vs 2021)
Fate < Smurf
Void >= Choi
Lip = Striker
Fleta > Rascal
LJG > Viol2t
Izayaki =< Twilight
SHD understanding and fluidity > Shock understanding and fluidity

lost thicket
cloud latch
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def the weak link

lost thicket
willow tartan
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the weak link is virgin crustT vs gigachad Moon

cloud latch
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shock can run rush all they want shanghai just gonna run circles around themlike they did vs atl

earnest leaf
frosty patrol
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on rush I take shd on lucio cass dva and shock on rein mei bap

frosty patrol
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this is the monkey dva tracer echo dive

static pond
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Lol moth brig

earnest leaf
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assumed you were comparing all players

frosty patrol
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that I'm comparing

cloud latch
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whos shocks mei

frosty patrol
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pre-fusion rascal

lost thicket
cloud latch
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oh yeah

willow tartan
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even if they lose to 2020 shock gamer lord moon just loads up the shangAI and finds a way to counter their playstyle in the grand finals rematch

lost thicket
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talking about rascal, architect used to be so good man

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very flexible and good talent, shock had 2 very flexible dps for a bit

cloud latch
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he was def very good

static pond
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That pretty much what scary about dragons able to adjust different play styles

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During matches

lost thicket
willow tartan
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how is LJG the concern

static pond
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Boop

lost thicket
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cmon

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even if he may feed his brains out sometimes

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he is deadly

willow tartan
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no but like

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why do you mention LJG but not void

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whose performance in 2021 easily better

frosty patrol
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I mean the 2021 versions

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2021 lip best hs of the 2 years

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2021 ljg easily best ms of the 2 years

lost thicket
static pond
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Void ist made to carry

lost thicket
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imo

static pond
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Just carry the carrys

lost thicket
earnest leaf
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2020 shd was a lot more chimpy

lost thicket
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LIP is one of the most dangerous HS ever jesus fuck, and his sombra is a beast, absolute monster gamer warlord, LJG is a menace when not feeding, force him to feed enough food that african children will never starve, Fate is the centerpiece of the ShangAI but he is not that good outside of ball and orisa

frosty patrol
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tbh

lost thicket
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and Moon is a smart ass coach that can adapt the ShangAI a lot per map

frosty patrol
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on all heroes but mercy

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easily

static pond
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Fate is just flexible

willow tartan
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depending on the format shanghai can also just win via virtue of map picks

lost thicket
static pond
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Like fleta he not made to be top just flex to different play styles and lead the dragons apparently

lost thicket
cloud latch
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depends what you want out of the ms

earnest leaf
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moth and ljg are polar opposite lucio playstyles

frosty patrol
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2020 moth is very significantly worse on brig and even the most delusional shock fan must agree is at least slightly worse on lucio

lost thicket
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not top tier

static pond
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Moth is just very good shot caller

willow tartan
lost thicket
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but def not bad

willow tartan
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people are just deniers unfortunately

earnest leaf
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moth was much more supportive on lucio

lost thicket
earnest leaf
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LJG traded off supportiveness for more individual pop off

frosty patrol
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are you saying moth is so good at mercy that it outweighs ljg brig lucio diff

lost thicket
willow tartan
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disagree

lost thicket
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their playstyle diff

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and shot calling diff

earnest leaf
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Who you want between the two depends on what comps you run and what other players you have imo

frosty patrol
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ljg lucio did more for dragons than moth lucio did for shock

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dragons wanted ljg to int and kill 10

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and as a result

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they gg ez'd people

lost thicket
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Moth was a far more supportive MS who could frag and never fed, LJG was far more fraggy but could feed like a maniac

static pond
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Are we talking about the hog and sig meta that ow did last second?

lost thicket
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and loose them fights

earnest leaf
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But for moth, he never had to do that for shock

lost thicket
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take it like this

earnest leaf
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But he was able to take duels and pop off

willow tartan
frosty patrol
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ljg has more impact objectively

willow tartan
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measured aggression when u know u can get away with it

frosty patrol
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but if you want to argue feeding and comms sure

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memeicus

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how much of an igl is ljg

willow tartan
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why would i know

lost thicket
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Want more overall kills but could be the reason they lost? take LJG
Want more shot calling and comms and never be the reason they lose but be more team oriented? Take Moth

willow tartan
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all i know is that void is the leadership figure

cloud latch
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wait whos the captain for shanghai

frosty patrol
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you're the encyclopedia shanghai

static pond
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To sum it up imo

cloud latch
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isnit it ljg?

frosty patrol
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that is a very bad point for 2021 shanghai

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tbh

lost thicket
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he has def lost them fights

static pond
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LJG just has a better hero pool and peak compare to moth who a better mercy and shot caller

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Imo

lost thicket
#

sometimes man just INTS and in a Checkmate on Rein way

willow tartan
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2021 leejaegon has more popoff potential which when u are considering teams at their absolute peak is more valuable

cloud latch
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I take ljg cause he has an insane brig

frosty patrol
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the biggest point that makes 2020 moth not able to be better than 2021 ljg

earnest leaf
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ljg better for a dive team, moth a bit better for a rush/poke team I think

frosty patrol
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ljg has a phenomenal brig

lost thicket
frosty patrol
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try putting 2020 moth on brig

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omegalul

static pond
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Lmao

lost thicket
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One is more Team and the other is more individual

willow tartan
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leejaegon doesn't need to peel as much because void is an artificial general intelligence

cloud latch
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true

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void sees things

lost thicket
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personally
2020 Moth V 2021 LeeJaeGon
Moth Mercy > LJG Mercy
Moth Brig < LJG Brig
Moth Lucio = LJG Lucio (Depends on team and comp)

frosty patrol
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if you want to say moth lucio is even

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you have to realize

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the mercy gap

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is much smaller than the brig gap

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ljg is a top 2 brig

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moth is probably mid

willow tartan
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LJG top 1 brig in 2021 IMO

earnest leaf
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skewed clears

static pond
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That was skew if I remember

willow tartan
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nah

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skewed positioning more ass

static pond
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LJG was number two I think

lost thicket
#

Moths brig was never fully fleshed out really, and when he did have chances to play Skewed poped the fuck off

frosty patrol
earnest leaf
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wasn't skewed's map WR on brig like fucking 80% or something crazy

frosty patrol
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this is

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2020 moth

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2020 moth's brig

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much worse than 2021 ljg's

earnest leaf
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skewed's WR on brig was 68%

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very cool

cloud latch
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almost the funny number

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what was ljg

lost thicket
#

we can agree on that Openerfan4

willow tartan
cloud latch
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^

earnest leaf
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69% funnily enough

lost thicket
#

don't know if we can agree with the other shit but can we at least say: Both MS are goated at their peak

willow tartan
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rolled

earnest leaf
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but that's more a team diff part

cloud latch
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1%

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ez

lost thicket
cloud latch
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this gives off the 1 second cap difference

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vibe

next mesa
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Ngl vindaim cleara

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Clears

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I love vindaim bro

lost thicket
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Vindaim is soooo good

next mesa
#

Can't believe my boy can play brig and lucio

lost thicket
#

jesus christ that kid is TALENTED

next mesa
#

Instantly makes u top 5 MS in this league

lost thicket
#

one of the better Rookies this year

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hmmmmmmmmmm

cloud latch
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crazy how he has like barely any pro play

lost thicket
#

wanna make a 5 team starter using only rookies?

cloud latch
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sure

next mesa
#

Reiner

lost thicket
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like all star rookies

next mesa
#

Proper

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Alphayi

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Finn

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Vindaim or chorong doesn't matter

frosty patrol
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moth's relative peak is s2 imo

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in s3 I rated him as the 3rd best ms overall but S tier

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and that's his absolute peak

next mesa
#

Moth mercy

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Was a tier above

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The other 3

frosty patrol
#

yes

next mesa
#

During the playoffs

frosty patrol
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agree definitely

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but that's not my argument

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argument is MS

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so brig luco too

next mesa
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Moth
Gap
Tobi
Huge gap
Ljg
Astro

frosty patrol
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lucio I take ljg fastro

lost thicket
#

TANK: Reiner
DPS: Proper, Kilo or Mer1t
SUPPORT: FiNN and Vindaim

frosty patrol
#

brig I take like 10 people

lost thicket
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idk if proper should be with another fdps like Alphayi or hitscan

frosty patrol
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best rookie team is prob

lost thicket
#

MN3

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I FORGOT

frosty patrol
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reiner coluge mn3 proper alphayi ch0r0ng finn uv

lost thicket
#

Reiner/Proper/MN3/FiNN/Vindaim

frosty patrol
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vigilante over uv but not 18

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I decided to pick a bench

willow tartan
#

best rookie team is actually muze shy pelican nisha mmonk skewed

frosty patrol
#

wrong season

cloud latch
#

reiner
proper
zest
finn
chorong

lost thicket
cloud latch
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I just really like zest

lost thicket
#

Vindaim best rookie MS rn imo imo

lost thicket
split flume
#

absolutely

frosty patrol
#

I take ch0r0ng

lost thicket
#

Zest is so good

split flume
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vindaim is cracked

frosty patrol
#

carrying his team

lost thicket
#

sad he's on Philly

frosty patrol
#

ch0r0ng looks just as good on a worse team

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so I give him the edge

next mesa
#

Ah yes you take mn3

lost thicket
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I think Vindaim has looked better

frosty patrol
#

but both are top 3 overall on ms

next mesa
#

And let proper

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Flez

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Flex

lost thicket
#

a bit more fraggy then not

cloud latch
#

YO WHOS A HITACAN THAT CAN PLAY SOMBRA AND A ROOKIE

willow tartan
#

LIP

next mesa
#

Proper can play

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Every hero

cloud latch
#

ROOKIE

frosty patrol
lost thicket
willow tartan
#

all rookie team but season 3

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go

cloud latch
#

6TH PLAYERRRRRR MN3

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even tho the rules were 5

lost thicket
#

and both are good at those

cloud latch
#

mn3 5th for lip role

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or 6th

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Im dumb

frosty patrol
#

go 2-3-3

next mesa
#

Lip

split flume
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season 3? ans is in there

frosty patrol
next mesa
#

Who is a fdps

frosty patrol
#

forgot him

lost thicket
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so yeah all star Rookie team is Reiner/Coluge/Proper/MN3/Alphayi and FiNN/Vindaim/Vigilante (3 Extras/Bench)

next mesa
#

I forgot

cloud latch
#

I cant remember season 3

frosty patrol
#

s3 rookie team I go

lost thicket
#

gimme a sec gonna look at the rookies

cloud latch
#

alarm was in s3

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?

frosty patrol
#

dreamer hanbin lip ans yaki leejaegon alarm fielder

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dps could be changed

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might drop ans for someone

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like sparkle maybe

willow tartan
#

no cr0ng?

split flume
#

how tf could you ever drop ans from a season 3 rookie roster

next mesa
#

Hanbin

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Is better

frosty patrol
#

I took hanbin as the 2nd best ot of season 3

willow tartan
#

only on the unfun character

frosty patrol
#

behind void

next mesa
cloud latch
#

were there no good rookie mts?????

willow tartan
#

wym

frosty patrol
split flume
#

season 3 ans > season 3 lip on everything besides sombra

frosty patrol
#

cr0ng slightly better sig

willow tartan
next mesa
frosty patrol
#

cr0ng slightly better sig

next mesa
#

The ashe

split flume
#

yes on the ashe

willow tartan
#

also you guys not mentioning xzi is very sad

next mesa
#

Lol no

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Not even close