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2nd place
Coca Cola is still the Official Refreshment of the Overwatch League. Right. Right?
lucio getting nerfed, soldier nerfed. what? š®
Has the franchise ever won anything?
didn't blizzard literally say they were going to release a new character or 2 every single beta?
and next patch/stage is played on next beta
Hope so
No, but it was implied
it was heavily implied
to the point where i would be surprised
After all this waiting, we need more heroes
if there was no new character
knowing blizzard tho...
i dont know, haven't seen that news .. and well, i haven't seen sorjourn once.
soujourn was meta in the alpha when owl teams were scrimming each other
don't get your hopes up
what nerfs did soldier have? and what will lucio be nerfed at?
let me check
Soujourn seems like a good hero until you realize sheās just a watered down Widow Soldier hybrid
if they follow the beta patch soldier got dmg and sprintspeed nerfs
If she was hitscan then maybe
lucio got self heal nerfs
A new patch has been released!
Soldier, Sojourn and Sombra changes!
ā³ Soldier damage has been reduced from 20 to 18
Small support balance changes
ā³ Lucio has less self-healing, Ana's nade duration is lower, Zenyatta has new "Snap Kick" passive ability!
MORE ZEN PLS
sojourn is the railgun instagib version of all those arena games like quake, diabotical etc pp. no soldier/widow hybrid .. imo
Zen super kick
I will ascend to another plane if we get a Zen-Bap or Zen-Brig meta
ah those changes. i thought you were talking of nerfs which will go live soon
Zen-Brig š
I mean, the beta is offline
I doubt we get any changes until next beta
I'm just looking at Phillys faces
Tall Swedish woman protecting Nepali Monk Robot
wait has zen bap ever been meta
When is next beta?
Circuit Royale
zen bap? š®
in ow1
Oh no
We don't know
Nonono
But I'm guessing before the Midseason Madness starts
cause i think in most scenarios they dont really work with each other
i thought the next beta is somewhat next week or so?
Or just as the Midseason Madness starts
it is
Bapās good at protecting the Zen only if the enemy is playing like⦠Pharah Echo
Zen's buff was too big
Bapās shift ability is fucking bonkers
so there could very well be a world in where bap zen is meta
I think if Bap gets buffed that's gonna mean way more rein
bap was buffed
bap and zen got crazy buffs but what about the comps played around them
Not Zen-Bap
wdym
London winning šš§¹š§¹
zen bap play in very different comps
Zen-Bap can work with Rein if you have a slower comp
No
even if zens buff was 2 much the devs wont over turn it b4 midseason madness starts
that doesnt really work of rein tho
Rein doesn't work without lucio
^
True
Running rein but no lucio is like running pharah but no mercy at owl level at least
zen bap meta?
bro blizzard can unintentionally decides who wins owl s5
woohooo
thats so fucking scary
speculated
It would be funny if Seoul didnāt make Midseason Madness after winning a title, pulling the absolute ultimate Seoul move of all time
Jinmu made it work a few times @outer pulsar
levy would cry
Seoul Luchador Reaper Skin
for the vast majority of players and team if ur not running pharmercy might as well just run echo
And the 4 teams that qualify are Dragons Spark Hunters and Valiant
Yes
Blizzard makes Double FS good - Shock win
Blizzard makes Zarya good or DPS impact low - Dallas win
Blizzard already made Zarya good
Blizzard has always had the power to indirectly decide who wins
which is why dallas is winning
This isn't something new
yes but in this year it is EXTREMELY
How many points does Seoul get for winning this tourney?
out of proportions
And with the approaching Doom nerfs, Danteh might seem a whole lot more unplayed
Seoul went to the finals in 2020 cause jeff said so
That was when Viol2t popped off, right
noway???? š
hahaaa .. i'm done with OWL
and seoul was 2nd best hog team
and beat out shd
(they lost to the goats of s3 sf shock)
Anyways
Profit > Kevster > Proper > Sparkle > Venom is the current Tracer hierarchy
shd wasn't good, yet .. in s3. were they?
inaccurate
so fucking wrong
I don't agree
they were good in s3
Proper is the best tracer rn
I only say Profit is the best because they won off of his Tracer
shock are literally 4th
mostly wrong
bc proper is on tracer
Outside of tracer Proper is kinda not that good
with viol2t on lucio
can't remember anymore. when did they win the first season again? s4 ?
wrong take as well imo
Proper has the highest peaks on tracer
Shock are good at their comfort picks
yes i agree
But Kilo soldier is better for example
but he's
Properās an OK widow
talking about tracers. whats the dude from uprising, later shock doing? can't remember his name .. rise?
Striker
?
People are going to absolutely kill me for this just like they killed me for shitting on viol2t
Nobody is gonna pick up Striker
Weeell
but s9mm genji > proper genji
This season
awful take
i knew you were gonna react like that
i was asking what he's up to .. what he's doing. not if he'll play
Like you could maybe say S9MM Mei > Proper Mei
imo pepis u should sell ur eyes to blind people because you're not using them at all if u make takes like s9mm genji > proper genji
(tracer is the meta) (proper is sick at tracer) (he doesn't need to play anything else)
s9mm will only be played if Tracer-Genji or Tracer-Echo is viable imo
yea I mean he's mostly playing tracer
but for example, on the first games when s9mm was on genji and proper on soldier
s9mm was outperforming proper
genji talk .. where didnt whoru come from? and is he one of the best gengus?
you cannot deny me that
I can deny you that
genji is more flashier than solider
ever will be
@willow tartan say the thing
lmao
They played Paris first
wdym???
Who they played is kinda irrelevant when comparing two players of the same team
Of course theyāre gonna look amazing they played Paris, London and Houston
okay one of the reasons why your take is not too unreasonable is because s9mm genji has proper (mvp candidate) as his 2nd DPS
whereas proper genji had kilo as his 2nd DPS. Kilo is a goat but sadly not the same level of play as proper
it isnt because you dont measure a player's skill by how well they can shit on lower tier teams
I mean yea maybe you could argue s9mm genji would get shutdown by better teams allowing proper to shine
But still, I think if shock wants to win they should make proper a tracer one trick
I can confidently say the only reason Shock are lagging behind is because Kilo, s9mm and Viol2t just need a lilā bit of shine (and Dallas are playing a meta literally built for them)
finally someone agrees that viol2t isn't doing amazing
viol2t is doing fine, but shock could do better if they got an actual MS
viol2t is servicable as a Lucio, but he isnāt winning games, which he doesnāt have to
vindaim
when is the next match?
now he just feeds
tonight
Vindaim is a good Lucio but has top tier Brig play
vindaim is definitely a top tier lucio as well
maybe whoru
ā¦.
anyways
Nahā¦.
proper owns s9mm
no lol
allemane here .. so the same. when tonight exactly?
on the genji
Kevster has an edge
21 CEST
Genji is the number 1 genji in the multiverse
a quick way to know if someone is a casual is to ask them who is the best genji on shock
what? š
Genji is the best genji
if someone says s9mm they are casual
He's so good
Genji is indeed a very good genji
s9mm is more of a PR rep
Profit, Whoru, Sparkle, Nero are all better genjis than proper
proper is
but i think ur discounting genji a bit too much here
proper is not
you are so wrong
its hilarious
i am the biggest
profit stan
profit .. good genji?
proper's genji is mid
i also like profit, but profit strong genji?
profit's genji has looked good lol
nahā¦. i think Kevster shines a bit more in terms of flexibility, but that could be because Proper hasnāt needed to flex
Kevster stans 
on like 2 occasions
Profitās genji looks good when heās being hard pocketed by Creative
@willow tartananyway .. when did whoru join SHD and where did he come from? and .. why are people claiming him to be the best gengu ?? i thought i'd ask you as one of the biggest SHD fans š
imo pepis is ticking all the boxes that says he is a casual
Kevin clears Proper
Im not going to die on the hill that Profit's genji is good but I am going to die on the hill that Proper's genji is not the best in the league lmao
agree, just some bad takes
and you are what, if not casual?
this made my day
many other top tier analysts agree
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levy is a professional baiter
very good case for him
sparkle
has been washed
there are 2 other genjis
Sparkle was washed on the first week
that can contest the spot
Did you not watch Dallas in the kickoff clash?
kevin and whoru
Sp9 genji is great again
I think Proper needs some more Genji playtime in OWL before we make any definite claims to his ability to shine on Genji
You cannot say sparkle is washed after what he did to the shock
i have no idea
Whoru has the best shuriken plays
apparently he has an owl win or smthn???? idk heard the casters mention it sometimes or smthgn
who was good during the early years of ow, like around 2017
when classic dive was meta
A bench win? 
with genji-tracer
after that he kind of rid the bench of teams and ended up in shanghai
Lucio-Mercy dive 
damn, whoru has been in nyxl .. to a time when i wasn't following OWL at all. interesting
yea he was on nyxl
Proper-Profit-Pine DPS lineup
and twice in some fusion team
anyways proper tracer godlike, proper anything else overrated
fusions contenders team
very uninformed take
sadly
proper is the best DPS
in the league
A bit saucy, maybe a bit spicy
Proper echo genji pharah and hitscan is nuts
thank u sans
Proper echo š
Properās main hero besides Tracer IS echo
how do u feel about that
ur logic makes no sense imo
actual casual moment
proper is a top 3 echo
in da league
I have no say in this, I just think Kilo is a good Shock player who gets overshadowed by Proper a bit
Lip is still > proper sadly
LIP ASCENDS ALL
Lip Torbjƶrn
Hyperflex cringe
Lip Symmetra
Kevin better hyper flex
You guys gotta give me at least Kevster, Sparkle genji > Proper genji
Real
There's no way you think Proper genji is better than those two
Overwatch team: someone Kevin LIP Chorong Shu
Sparkle needed a peptalk after his early games but he really came around this tournament
Not better, but at least on a very close level
imo just a rare occurence
Itās usually a coinflip
for the goat
Nah his pulses suck
idk if its because the Defiant suck ass (it probs is) but Chorong hasnt been that impressive
i feel like most of fuel needed a bit of a peptalk except hanbin and fielder
imo uninformed
??
Lmao
Proper has better consistency on the Genji but Sparkle has better pop-off moments
Ch0r0ng has been the best ms
Ok
its understandable
what is this Incel Speak
idk what to say, I expected more from him
Team bad
Every player on team bad
Valiant fans
I mean it's kinda hard to carry a team as MS so it's understandable
Anyways
LJG used to do it š
God I miss old LJG š
Heās a pussy with them
what's this supposed to mean
He pads his rate by sticking dooms and refuses to go for squishies
Proper pulses have been good
Philly
Valiant fans are a victim to everyone thinking their team sucks, so, by proxy, their players suck
???
diya does not suck
He stick coal a lot
haker is best player in owl
valiant is cracked
Thatās what I meant @willow drum
agree
Like 2x
#NOHILLSZN
Sticking a doom > whiffing
ok this
i kinda agree
Everyone thinks the Valiant sucks but they donāt
Haker MVP
nobody thinks the valiant suck
Tell that to Fusion fans
He isnāt
He tried to against justice for the first half
And did not hit a stick
Loll
Sticking Lucio moira is so much more thought than just going for the doom and landing it every time
Disagree
I agree with the incel here
Lip > propah
Proper's pulses are good
proper or kevin
any reason or logic behind this
Idk lip just held back rn
On tracer nah, overall yea
imo casual move
to call someone with greater knowledge
than you
"incel"
thoughts on best hitscan in the league?
Shanghai overall just need to not scrim during matches and have good internet then they will be good
lip
imo its lip
lip
Idk kev just better
but fits v close
That mn3 boi gotta be the best widow idk man
mn3 widow overhyped
no
v good
yes
Mn3 has got widow gapped by everyone
but overhyped
mn3 is
Lmao
Like literally everyone
mn3 was taking a nap
Mn3 got gaped by Fits š
He has played
during that whole gibraltar
except at the end where he killed 4
thats not defendable
and then went back to sleep
Thoughts on Kilo > MN3
question: what teams are bottom 3 in each region in your opinion
I agree
Valiant
u mf
tbf thats kinda just how playing widow goes
I think if you think Kilo < MN3
valiant is so good
esp when you have belosrea
Ok
dallas
Belosrea is not the problem
Dallas 
ššššššš
@hot onyx
It's the void they have where the backline should be
š
imo Valiant is on par with Chengdu
Heās right
paris titans nyxl for NA
Belos is a goat
AimGod is a little underwhelming
Fixa is terrible
gzc spark and hunters
Hate that guy
for apac
Noooooo
(my valiant love)
Fixa is so nice though
fellow valiant stan I see
š
levi how would u rate me as a person
Tell me you havenāt watched Belosrea in T1 without telling me you havenāt watched Belosrea in T1
valiant goated
well you are a shock fan
You just canāt accept
Weren't you the guy who said Fixa was goated
Heās been better than mn3
after they got farmed by glads
That's too far
Completely the oppposite
Mn3 is invis every game sadly
atleast you aren't the worst shock fan here
Unless I posted his announcement post saying heās ROTY in jest
and i would like to correct this take
i am not a shock fan
i am just a heesang fan
and heesang is on the academy team for sf shock
Every shock fan by definition is the worst shock fan
shock fan
u have not seen the difference between me and dullahan
There are good people even in the darkest of groups, like Oskar Schindler
if u think that pepis
didn't you say you were not a shock fan
not in the shock fan group
yes but ur calling all shock fans equally worse
(uneducated take imo)
but are you or are you not a shock fan
i am a heesang fan
if we ask for owl roles enough time in modmail we will prevail i think
@willow drum is the Oskar Schindler of Shock fans
ok so shock fan
Shock Fans are like Fusion Fans
shock fan
philly curse
thank you
you are the only sane fusion fan i have met
bro i thought fusion would at least get 1 or 2 maps
that explains the murderous rage when I said viol2t wasn't that good
not really
philly curse š
imo I think Valiant and Paris fans are the nicest ones
i wake up and they got completely rolled
He is the only fusion fan I have met
jesus
They are a mentally deficient breed
have you met ian
your nan would also
no.
never raise a mentally deficient chield
i mean, most of them probably killed themselves from the depression you get from being a fusion fan
š
I mean your not wrong
Well kind of
my friend is a fusion fan
Dude apac is so weird what is going on there
Thatās why I immigrated to Gladiators for happiness
how depressed is he on a scale from 10 to 10?
šŖšŖšŖšŖ
we'll see when he sees the results
Fusion beats dragons who beat dynasty who than lose to dynasty and than dynasty 4-0
Canāt wait for fusion to go back to getting 3-0 by dragons
Who did the do
Do
They are like the London spitfire. Why root for them
And I root for zest
They saw their backline in Contenders and thought āyāknow fellas, letās have this, but worseā
Belosrea either hard ints or has a decent game lol
hehe
They could have scooped up Xerneas (Yveltal) and Farway1987 and made them learn korean in a day
it would have worked trust
Thats versus. Who is the team shd facing?
Honestly Kyo would be a better choice over Farway
seoul obv
š
Farway is goated
Oh yeah š
Ok maybe not better
Iām just high af on the Kyo train
Can we talk about Molly
kyo might have been
How fucking sad
They show yet?
Do you watch him with your eyes open?
š
And purple/black
Kyo is better than Aimgod without his limbs and sight intact
didnt you hit yourself with copium
watching aimgod vods in contenders
stop trippin
he was best option
they could;ve gotten
Imagine you're Molly. Imagine going to hunters where you ride the bench 99% of the time, then decide "To ride the bench, I might as well ride it in a goated team" and you go to the Shanghai bench. Finally, after years of bench riding, you rebel against society and get to be on the starting lineup for Charge. But, weeks before the season starts Chengdu implode and you get benched for one of the scraps from the old team where you used to ride the bench.
Best korean* option
Kyo is miles better
Heck I wouldāve taken a chance on Charon
i still dont understand
Or whatever his name is
crustys decision
On UP
to sign american players
Doesnāt matter
marketability
S1 Dragons
And they made two finals
S1 Dragons, every Spark team after s2
0-42 dragons š¤
they all had one thing in common
comm issues
do you want your team to be the spark
I don't think you do
Honestly poor spark
Now they get changgoon
Sp*rk
bruh why can't I send images
Idk
!!getgood
not regular
basically
spam "shock the world" during prime hours
#get some bitches
not be a casual
ok I will revert back to virginity
what I actually predicted the finals perfectly in my pickems
I got everything else wrong but I put a 4-0 sweep in favor of the dynasty
I thought I had put the fusion winning
you're spanish. whats winghaven up to, pepis
winghaven?
LeeJaeGon screams
Izayaki falls back in his chair
Void throws his monitor across the room
LIP smashes his keyboard
Fleta cries in a fetal position
"It's just business" Profit types in chat.
106
SPICY P
Tobi is a tactical genius. He is best known for his signature tactic "Profit go kill." He also has a second little-known tactic of "Profit dead - Fits save." What an absolute legend. Top 3 coach for sure.
167
Real
real
imo people should be more like colin over here
true
oof
Damn
I wanted fusion to win so bad
@next mesawhats the bullcrap behind your name?
just answer the question and stop acting like some douche who's preteding to be some important person.
? how is it bullcrap
what the fuck are you on
i've looked it up. like i wrote earlier, i have NOT FOLLOWED OWL LAST YEAR ... which means, i wasn't aware of alarm's death.
that's damn sad, at age 20 š
How did you decide which team 2 follow
but you call it bullcrap and call someone a douche despite not knowing the context?
^
this
also you call it bullcrap
yes, because he couldn't answer a damn simple question. not everyone in here has followed the owl throughout, since 2017. there are enough people coming up with dumb bullshit.
nah, bullshit is boring š
read your own message
whats the "bullcrap" behind your name
How do you justify saying that with no context
or following of the OWL scene
i just wrote it above
"there are enough people coming up with dumb bullshit."
when people have "Rest in Peace (X)" it typically means (X) has died and they want to honor that. Just saying that it may come off as offensive
again, "there are enough people coming up with dumb bullshit."
stop gettin on my nerves ..
Do you know what rest in peace means @idle beacon
nah .. sry. enlighten me
rest in peace is a way to basically pay homage to the dead
rest in peace is like respecting someone after they died
so its like if someone close to you died like your friend
you would say rest in peace
and again, one more time. there are enough trolls using RiP .. with no real reason.
i know what rest in peace means. ohboi
look at this
go look up what sarcasm means.
other than finals i got apac 100% correct
? No because it seems like something a clown like you would say
You saying
"nah ..sry. enlighten me"
fits perfectly with your whole character
you are so dumb that
we unironically believe
that u dont know what RIP means
TBH
@willow tartan do u claim this guy as a shd fan
I was literally the opposite, got apac all wrong (everything) but predded the finals just right
bc u are of the official council seat of the shd after all
i doubted fusion 2
unironically am goated
no wonder i call it bullcrap, because of toxic shit like you just wrote. you sure seem to be a huge dumbfuq in real life, levy. get the fuq outta my face.
He's a player.
Maybe instead of calling someone's name that has Rest in Peace (X) bullcrap
How about you search X up?
Does your brain understand what I said?
Or do I have to break it down into Monkey talk for you
it seems like you can't comprehent what i wrote earlier. that there are tons of dumb trolls using RIP NAME in their name .. just for the lulz. you also get the fuq outta here.. sad imbecille
i wanted to go for a storybook win like thats why i got Na wrong i mean other than reign winning over shock
apparently not
just for the lulz how about you shut up1!!!1
lmaooozuzuzi fuq off sad imbecille!!!!
which there wasnāt role stars back then
imo its very reasonable
actually
s1 didnt have role star
s2 he wasnt that tier for goats
s3 role star was decided b4 the playoffs
s4 he was carried by fits
you are dumb imo
Just realized now after one year of watching OWL that OWL doesn't use a true double elimination method at the end of their brackets
Stop getting baited fools
Why would bro assume the names bs smh
@willow drum tbf, when it's put like that it makes sense

At least he's got grand finals mvp under his belt
FR
@north relic duo?
FUSION DA GOAT
yes
Also what happened in na yesterday
If true double elimination, the winner of the Losers' Bracket has to beat the winner of the Winners' Bracket twice (the first essentially sending the W Bracket Winner to Losers'), one for "resetting" the brackets and then a second time to actually win the tournament.
Went to bed early for a change
unfortunately I disagree
belosrea fixa
too bad
it's like fleta on flash lux
no
are there any overwatch league minecraft skins?
Iāll be back home at like 4pm
Whose head should I put a gun to
And should I food poison profit and smurf
Smurf diff
yeah you right but it would kind of be a waste of time if the team gets 4-0 or something then make them face again and the same thing happens
imo i replace fixa
then u put gun to mn3 head
and also belosrea
if u food poison smurf and profit
I can do better than aimgod
plus thatād shatter players mental
ez
no
We'd roll those shitters
but zest does
profit mfās after he does the bare minimum āomg heās so goodā
agree
(they're lazy)
End of season a fdps will fuck everyone (yaki)
(this is cope)
lmao
is hellfire goated at ms
same narrative as season 1 mickie, season 2 oge, and season 3 trill?
wait are you a ms player
wait on the ed ow2 team
did trill ever play?
lsd tank mike sans dps levi hellfire support
wasnāt gamsu on fuel with him
just 4-0
nooooo put me on tracer for ow2 š
imo i would get fucked
wait
if i dont study
are u goated at tracer
for this server's purposes
LSD - High S tier
Levi - Low S
Sans - B
Me - Low A
Hellfire - Mid A
Sans b?
in the goats pugs map it was
You A?
rank?
Me - Low S
LSD - High S
Levity - Mid S
Everyone else - irrelevant
I bench all of you on any role
where does he actually belong
Mike is c
I'm comparing myself to GD main support players
oh
who are mercy one tricks
if we're being compared to GD players
and silver
i duoed a ms player to low plat
GD has one carry that you have to be careful for
duoed*
They have mods
what was this ms player rank
Ed lost to mods in pubs
aerux only good player
I shat on mik tbh
whos the fs for gd
main supports get boosted like 2 tiers just by existing @north relic
mik holds their own but not like take over the game yk?
mik is really good idk what u guys mean
Iāve faced him in pubs
aerux too strong :(
(He sucked)
roup mik aerux are all High Sr ā¢ļø
but gd sandbags them by being silver
whereas ED is plat-masters
but mostly plat
@bitter oxide
our best lineup in ow1 sr wise was
the fuck out of ana
HI
force of nature
lsd levi on tank (like 3.6 average)
sans me dps (sandbags the team, like 2.6 average)
memeicus hellfire support (like 3.4 average prob)
how high is memeicus
You are boosted
wtf
You are gold
there's no way he's boosting me to 3.4
masters
3800?
Just put me on any role and the avg gets boosted
easiest game ever
You are washed
I hate Rome
honestly
Rome is a d tier map
ive always played off-role in pugs eitherway
I still clear anyone in this chat
when I monki or support then i mad
Levi is 3500
flameknight is higher than me
(how is a shock fan higher than u)
tragic Ik
My support better
Letās go
Support is my least played tbf
you say you roll on any role
flameknight next pug plz join ed we must beat aerux
it's okay we can do gd vs ed sometime again
we grab exxu next time
ez win
Who?
Who?
no wrists?
Exxu is an old like 4.6 genji otp
Ah genji sucks anyway
Who destroyed his wrists literally
Who?
what's exxu doing bro
Cares
I bet sans torb can take care of peak exxu
does he have the jjonak sens for genji or smt
i would rawdog u
Kappa
i sleep all his nanoblades
trust
i specialize in traumatizing genji players
and ridiculing them for their life choices
fusion lost another final
imo my 2.5k peak clears you
honestly it's comical at this point
you got me terrified š°
