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I think we're seeing that shanghai was more so dominant because of their hivemind synergy, and less their individual play
also not being able to one trick ball/sombra
yes I agree, but maybe not as cracked as we thought
you are a casual
hes correct fate has been a liability
Whoa! An hour between the east encore and the West regular day? And the stream will keep going?
Thank our generous OWL Overlords for giving us 5 tokens
shock will win
lip is the goat tho (as i have been saying)
he fucking OWNS shy
also levy it seems
seoul are shit
imo they should start the stalk3r fits
agree
although
creative on his one trick
not terrible so far
if they beat chengdu theyre 4th
smurf zarya
haven't caught up all of today's matches
smurf zarya has been good
are they still forcing zarya
its not hanbin level
with smurf on their team
yes
its not working as
fire tobi
a team
they also tossed a map
this is like having fearless and making him play dva
very odd decisions from tobi
he costed them a map yesterday too with his sombra ambition
(they wouldve lost anyway)
week 1 shenagins
emp
not good
agree
but i dont think this is even defendable
diya is good tho
and stalk3r echo a lot better than i remember
he is good
imp profit a liability currently
they subbed fits out to play profit soldier which is disturbingly worse
IMO
and forced the smurf doom
fuck it
also i am unsure what went on during the 1st push map but from what i saw becky was gapping the fit
agree agree
for life babyyy
If seoul one trick NA meta comps
they win all games for free
just play tracer/soldier/winston/ana/lucio
no
Watching profit mei hurts
he can't land a right click to save his life
that isnt hanzo
Also just let profit one trick tracer he does fine
yes but most top na teams
unfortunately profit tracer
have a good tracer player
is no longer good
#instalkerwetrust
i mean anyones tracer
is ugly
compared to proper's
so i dont hold it against profit
yes
that he gets gapped by proper
yeah
imo
my mei looks fucking better than profit's
real!
Profit is good you're all just mean
pick of deleted Dallas Fuel tweet
hadi about to enter the wrong neighborhood
backbone sure as hell ain't standing up to mer1t
He is
lmao
let's see it
sue him
Outlaws 3-1 shock 3-2 Defiant 3-0
Thatās a yikes
wait how can you select that?
I mean when you almost lose to Valiant
Because were a week away from the last week
CA š¤®
Lol
Proper OP
ans scoped crit still op
Tru
Glads v shock
1st in damage 10th in healing as ana
What's the verdict
Lmao
My goodness
Yeah
Literally june joust of last year
Lol
Then got swept by the reign
Thats not a regular season game
That was the game into the tournament
Its like saying boston never went undefeated
lmao
Lol
Cause they lost to NYXL in finals
They were teammates
Ok
And also the stats card
Yeah
He faced the Fuel
high pressure to perform as expected...feelspineman
no
Nei
London Sweep
eu team plus ratio
really ???
i can speak english
Unless danteh doesnāt play doom
is london still bottom tier in your guys' opinion
yes
Theyāre ranked 4 rn
this is a toilet bowl
The toilet bowl was Vancouver v NYXL
titans vs boston*
ThT too
Said 3-nil
the thing is
nyxl suck
doom is good againist rein
okay
Yea
London 3-0
Cap
"Please kill coolmatt, please!" -Effect, Dallas Fuel, Season 1
Always will be one of my favorite owl moments
watched all of season 1, some of season 2, pretty much none of season 3, and just the end of season 4, so most of my memories are season 1...
london???
bruh
Shax box head
Based Danny and reinforce
god danny and reinforce are so fucking based
Ikr
Fr

Based on what?
they put london winning
this dick
Oh my
a honeycomb
waffle uber
scuffed
uber always tries his best with flashy outfits and mrx just wakes up and is like ''hoodie yes''
waffle uber
lastro glowing
Glowing headset
What were they doing lmao
oh no, i literally switch my preds last minute
im gonna regret
so they just play without tank players as much as possible
Wot did you switch it to
why LUL
london 3-2
Oh my
this bout to be the fastest match ever
noo im so sad
OUTLAWSSS
Doomfist as tank is so dumb
literally a drill
I'm just glad doomfist is viable
punches so satisfying
Not like danteh ever uses a charged punch
now i need to get with london winning in the rush comps
ppl r jus dramatic when it comes to the new doomfist
how do we see the icon overhead of the heroās in normal replay mode?
lucky
I canāt find the button for it
hes quite easy to counter if u have good positioning and play it right
Just me or is the sound mega scuffed?
Tons of health and a protection ability that gives more health
You can basically just manoeuvre to health packs alone to stay alive
And his ult lets you get away with bad positioning
what else is new
sounds fine
Just play doom if youāre decent at tank
Because heās fucking ridiculous in this state

Lmao
High frequency audio on the stream is scuffed for me FeelsBadMan
pelican very scared of tracer mirror vs shax
Also APAC plays mostly Zarya, SF shock one tricks monkey and they are leading
Pelican scaredš¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£
facts
was a close one but in reality it wasnt.
It was but wasnāt
He can play tracer, but he isn't going to be better than shax at it
debatable but i mean i dont blame him
he alway had proper
as dps partner
Weāll see when London can get back on Rein
Not debatable imo, shax has always been a good tracer and pelican really only played it a little bit last season
no need to play tracer when ur duo dps is the best tracer in the world ig
When itās out again, obviously
Profit was fucking trash today
pelican is probably a good tracer but matched up against a tracer main it can be a struggle
Tf you think I meant
Anyone who thinks heās S tier is a casual or dumbfuck
obv when ow2 comes back out I'll be playing junker queen or something
very based
jetpack cat
not probably
we have seenb from last year
Your name doesnāt even make sense
that he is good at tracer
No point when doomfist is literally just easy mode
Yeah
i didnt watch last yr so thats y i said probably
Doom isnāt even that great
SF shock one tricks monkey and they are leading
East region plays mostly Zarya
all it takes is a bad setup w doom and he can be countered
Yes he is lmao his survivability is stupidly high
he's not some crazy insta kill tank
Didnāt Smurf fail on doom
We could see SF roll on the Zarya
seoul needs to learn winston or zarya comps
maybe SF has the zarya in their pocket
SF has pulled out the zarya on specific pts/maps
Their one play comp
Doom has multiple movement abilities and a damage soak that gives him health
And his ult is a get out of jail free card with added damage
No i dont think so yet?
smurf cant play everything but hes great at winston and he could learn zarya
no they have
Okay, if Doom is so ridiculously OP, why are Houston the only ones who one trick him
when
Luge has a good zarya
ilios ruins they ran one week 1
Imo
Shock can more than likely run the zarya comp, but why play it when you can just use proper tracer in dive
then why dont other teams work around it?
u have to be GOOD at doom to make him good
i think they did
he's not this crazy tank ur making him out to be
Atlanta did too
lol
doom is much more susceptible and vulnerable to sleep than winston
they got swept by washington
Because their tank players donāt play doom, probably
Because he was a DPS character
which plays a big part imo
Doom was played the most in week 1
Thatās when doom got figured out
winston just creates a safer area than doom
But if youāre good at doom then itās way easier than if youāre good at other tanks at the same level
and is much more simple to get value out of
you can probably play proper tracer in the zarya
tracer reaper as dps line
exactly
Backgoat
probably works just as well
yea but at that point just play winston
lmaoo backgoat
it's been working
i'd say doom has a higher ceiling
I think the zarya is being heavily overrated
no reason to swap
but winston is much more consistent
backbone sparkr name a more iconic duo
u just have to be good at doom and work around doom to make him a good tank
You are just mald because a doomfist rolled you in quickplay I think
otherwise it's just a feed
With his kit, thereās almost no reason for an OWL tank to die as doom if ults arenāt involved
The super reference
watch shock v houston
did u not see danteh being countered?

Why would I be upset about tank Doomfist if Iām on Overwatch 1?
on very specific parts of maps ig I can see it
I raise you, Sleep dart
yes but kevster avoids tracer 1v1s a lot
besides the fact that they're against OWL dps and supports
but also teams have a habit of throwing charge at zaryas when they don't need to
- sleep yeah
He should probably get good then
proper might shit on kevin honestly
these map intro remixes hit hard
doom's only answer to sleep dart is burning a cooldown to dodge it
this makes no sense
Also the issue with doom is that he gets really hard fucked by ana
If you hadnāt noticed Ana is pretty much a permanent pick and she pretty much destroys Doom singlehandedly
yep
exactly
And requires his dps to match his pace to win fights, otherwise he goes in, gets slept, naded and dies
ana has no pressure to rush the sleep dart like in OW1 bc doom has lost so much lethality
I had doom as being better than winston until I saw that powerblock doesn't block sleep
rein hadi time
realistically it is not hard to counter ow2 doom
If you canāt handle and play around the fact that 1 character counters you using your team to help, you are crap
Thatās why teammates exist
I was talking about when you were playing the beta
š¦
it's just not good
Well the answer is no, still
God damn
the backline limits them
rein can't do shit against a doom and you don't have the nade or sleep to contain him
landon is a bap1t
rein can't do anything
and backbone best character is mei
Denial
he can't go for an aggressive play because sleep and nade are right there
he can't try and contain danteh because doom is a better character
it's just shit
this point is where the rush actually can look decent
yea idk why theyre playing a bap into a doom genji reaper lmao
i don't think the rein comp is good against doom comps
Smelly outlaws colour
with the houston color
well nanoblade gone
the slam slow against the grouped comp + no sleep
owned
lel
Wall?
punch goes through shield as well
Not good
spitfire struggling rn
rush team not running an ana into a doom team
backbone thinks he's lip
ggs
big shatter
London has seemed pretty lost so far
dress for the position you want not the one you're working smh
Heās gonna visor the nanoblade and die
so true gonna dress like a stripper while being the ceo of amazon
Calling it
how much hp does lamp have
Nvm if
do you even need to bait it
or pelican will instantly get rid of lamp LOL
you can heal lamp
it's 165 per nano swing
ana bap the infinite lamp glitch
so if lamp is 165 or lower you can't counter nanoblade with lamp
since he'll one-swing the lamp and dash anyway
true but it's always just to secure most of the time id assume
They got pushed back by doom I think
5Head Nano the bap lamp
the thing about nanoblade is you need to fuck up the dash and then get out of range
It was 150 in ow i Think?
So itās one extra swing
I want danteh to pratice zarya so they can do dirty bubble
Is this the only comp London plays
Lol earlier today I saw someone saying C9
The entire team was dead
if it's 150 then yeah you can just drop on lamp and oneshot anyway
chat always thinks it is a c9
Oh yeah doom did knock them
nanoblade moment
mb
The did monke map 1 but it didn't work
yeah rush and if Dva is ever gonna get played
two-swing->dash becomes a slash->dash
No, but the only one theyāve had success with
Whereās that guy on this discord that was saying nanoblade takes skill?
smile
there's a few of them
I'm assuming people who play for nanoblade whenever they lock genji
To be fair it does require skill at this level
Not really
But in plat? Not so much
it's miles easier than doing anything else
I raise you grav+anything
I have no idea how danny though london would win
WHY
the healing is crazy
Grav stays in one place
MOST OF THE AMP IS BLOCKED
Grav stays in one place
The hardest part of nanoblade is the ana hitting the genji
i want this match to be over so i can watch shock v glads
Getting 1-2 wins you the fight
split grav as in you can split to make sure the grav only catches one
and then peel for that person very hard
just ask surefour, he'll tell you
Grav is way less useful than nanoblade and could require more than 2 ults
And you say that is easier than just kiting a nanoblade?
In most situations
oh my god sparkr don't troll me like that
yes
boop
esp a properly primed nanoblade
what a boop
LMAO
WHAT
Boop
you have to fuck up the dash before you can kite the nanoblade
ily lastro
otherwise he dashes after you and oneshots
Nah, Iām a true nanoblade hater on ladder. But in owl it actually requires skill to pull off a actually worth it
it's not about getting out of swing range, its about getting out of dash range
nanoblade is by far the easiest part of playing genji
how does hadi keep missing those firestrikes
just look at how scuffed most owl blade setups are
it's like a zarya not being capable of pushing in to someone
this is so one sided
Not sure why Landon is still on Bap
Nasty Nasty NASTY
I loved that blossom then god charged lmao
london is very bad at adapting on the fly
Who do you even heal with bap on this comp?
last time I saw their eich they just kept trying the same setup over and over again and got rolled every time
everyone
Literally only just noticed they had a bap š
lets see this emp
London Shitfire are back
Lucio heals himself, sombra healthpack, soldier heals himself
This team is trash
emp and still lost
Just go Ana
jesus christ
Time to turn it off
Bruh
Canāt even win with EMP
Goodness
I'm enjoying this at last
that genji felt so n i c e
and doom gets free rein as long as there's no ana on the field
2 emps and lost both fights
Hadi is the worst tank in the league
so what's the point
Emp just isnt providing enough imo but its not like blizzard would be any better
I disagree
so idk what backbone would even have to do
What are you even lamping though?
Not good
they literally jus gave the outlaws a free win though
But he isn't the worst
they're trying to adapt and shut down the danteh doom
I just donāt see the value
Daan is worse
why is spitfire korean free??
but it's just not good
Marvel is worse
what happened
Yes
alright who is the asshole the convinced me pred london 3-2 ?
Sombra bap into a doom comp
Yeah
False has sadly
lmfaoooo
Looked worse
wher he at
Good take
how the fuck did you get convinced to do that
Danny
it's london
Blizzard stops nanoblade which is the most cancerous, no-skill combo in the game
So itās probably better
not really
i knew it
I had no faith in the spitfire
Alright
I press 3-0 outlaws
But hacking stops the doom so that helps
if you notice, the genji still got one before getting frozen
pred *
maybe
Danny the spitfire believer
Poko zarya to bring it back
Same
It stops it more than EMP
it did but they still couldnāt kill him
they struggled with that
the point is to try and keep hadi from getting walked over by danteh
since that was much more of an issue
Did you run into a top 600 genji or something?
Like spitfire look better but beating the outlaws is too much of an ask
Trading your ult + your life for 1 kill is a negative trade
werent you the one saying london would roll houston ?
Unless that is the flex supp
What?
ehh
yeah i was about to say
if you kill the right target it's worth
II wanna see glads v shock alread
facts
Me too
Kilo V ANS
This matchup is one sided
Proper v Patiphan/Kev
Truly
Itās gonna be good
it pulled them out of position to close out the kill and they got promptly rolled by danteh afterwards
Reiner V Coluge
When are they running only bastion
You just seem very piss at the nanoblade lol
pati hard diffs proper
yeah next match is hopefully gonna be a 3-2
Hopefully
but Iām putting all my faith into shock for this next map and said 3-1
They hate each other
i have shock winning but i want Glads to win
Bad blood
they better not let me down
cause said that and i kinda thought you preded them winning
I still have shock winning
hate is just passionate love
yes
Maybe I shouldāve done 3-2 shock though
Thatās because itās a bunch of bullshit
But no, I donāt usually see many nanoblades in my matches
I have shock winning and I want shock to win
Nah I wasnāt like they look good but thinking theyāll beat outlaws is delusional
Reiner replaced luge with false
For a reason
Sadly
Kilo vs Ans and Proper vs Kevster is hype though
But I do know that whenever nanoblade happens in OWL, I should prepare for a very predictable and boring conclusion

tell me why then, wanna learn

nanoblade being shut down is more hype than nanoblade imo
Bad blood
Who wouldāve thought that 180 damage a swing + 75 per resettable dash is a bit much
Sad
Literally
it's 165 now
facts
ohh
blade does 110
i see
so you can't two-swing a cass anymore
Yeah
https://twitter.com/CucumberColuge/status/1527516271499091968 i liked this interaction though
@Reiner_OW Same here maybe one day we will be good at the game
143
especially if itās from a good team
Do you get overwatch league tokens by watching these "Kickoff Clash Qualifiers"?
You can with a dash
imagine having ur favorite teams nanoblade get shutdown man
I wouldnāt even be upset
two-swing
Oof
It needs to be reworked beyond just damage
you specifically cannot kill in two blade swings
siggy-boy
oh nvm london can win this
Piggy the man
Reverse sweep Incoming
Pigma
well its sigma time
Wait is sig good then??
nvm
Pig the sig
sig is good on specific points in specific comps
poko shouldve been in
piggy rein
the Pighardt
sig is good on this map
they're trolling now
piggy on rein
London dub come on baybee
circuit royale is one of the few maps sig is actually good on
interesting
trolling
because it supports a poke comp
Ahh okay I saw sig played once and they got rolled
absolutely trolling
mirror bap rush
rein v rein !!!!!!
Jake
the fuck
Hanzbone
lol discovered
Mirror comp
backbone exposed them
what r they doing
LOL
LMFAO
BASTION
loool
ā¦
LOL
Bastion still has more playtime then orisa
Bastion is actually decent tho
hanzo mei
he is too weak
Orisa has 3 seconds of playtime
needs a bit of a comp around him but he works no doubt
not just 2x shield everyone pocket him
more like
Lucio
I think bastion is fine as is
He's fun
Any buffs to recon and he'll outshine soldier
the issue with bastion is that he doesn't offer anything that's needed
its only been a couple of seconds and its already chaotic
he's not top-tier
but he's fun
What the fuck is going on
Optimistic window
Lmao
e.g. 76 offers fast rotations and consistent ranged dmg output
I want this map to be a deathball
idk why
I loved the chaos that GOATS and Reaper/doom 2x shield brought
EZ Clap my 3-1 is correct
oh my
ashe at least offers the dynamite which will add dmg to whatever target is being bursted
n other stuff like that
Double shattering
my preds š
bastion doesn't do a whole lot that's required
Get pigster off rein
where it can sometimes be a chaos of high heals high damage and ear bursting sound
danteh rein SHEEEEESH
Are outlaws just trying to style on London and beat them at their own comp?
my man piggy
Maybe
Piggy is taking too much dmg
wtf
so much chaos
thereās too much going on LMFAO
I am so confused rn
I just need them to stick to the 3rd person pov for a sec
so I can see what the fuck the lucios are doing
i havenāt even seen the Lucius
well its also they know London was gonna play rein so they could play whatever into it
if the brawl team loses a brawl mirror to an off tank on rein that will be sad
Cus thereās too much happening
what a fucking catch by hadi
Answer is: Vibing
Doesnāt look like they will
GIGACHAD Hadi
Holy shjt
CHADI
mtd
jesus
THE 5K
LOL
spitfire tried to split with the sym tp, houston engaged the backline so frontline dropped and fought, hadi caught mer1t with a pin then landon with a firestrike before pelican got the blizzard off
Hadi
sheesh
My goodness
Ok that was good
stop mirroring the one rein team on rein
barely unable to get it into a sc š
please
Chadi fucking strikes again
Beautiful
lmfaoooo
LEGGO SPITFIRE
FUQ THEM OUTLOWS UP!!
this was as close as i could get
Piggy rein
piggy..
who?
nvm
Didn't piggy mtd Smurf last season?
Super
you mean jjanggu
Yeah jjangu
the counter blizzard
shock had a rough map there
There was ljg tower and that payload map
Donāt let super hear you say he got MTDād, heāll unretire just to prove you wrong
Actual Rein diff
OT completion is good though
just goes to show
Hadi is a good rein
Heās scared of colouge
Well now we know which team is the king of Rush
LEGGO SPTFR
Lets gooo
Not in game
seeing an off tank and flex support play rein lucio is so funny
since there is no dva in rush now could you not just go pharmercy against sym/mei?
dw guys if ana ever stops dumpstering everyone but monkey maybe london will be able to pull something out
Yeah Not in game
Spitfire are fun to watch, even if theyāre not incredible
London look so good vs rush mirror
I'd like to see how they would do against someone like Dallas in this mirror
they'll amp on you and kill you
london gonna r/sweep those outlows
seeing as Dallas started the sym/mei rush
keep in mind that pharah rockets do 84 dmg on a direct vs. armor
wtf is this meta
kek
jesus
pelican insane
Hadi goat
Bruh
already a better start
Yeah
wasn't symm mei meta in ow1 too?
noobtier meta
did the meta like change at all
hadi is just like that
ig rein's the shit
mtd
This isnāt the meta
so keep in mind
i wouldnt consider this a meta
tbh better than double shield
these two teams are not terribly good at the meta comp
whats the ow2 meta comp
the meta comp is entirely different from what we're seeing rn
the meta comp for this map is sig widow zen bap
Okay he meta is either Zarya reaper or monkey tracer Iād say
it's typically a brawl or poke iirc
This map has mostly seen sig widow though
mer1t widow piggy's best hero and double flex support backline
WOW
the timing on those walls
I canāt tell wtf is happening
yea idk it just seems like they're tryna style on them
piggy is justr getting cucked
maybe they feel like rush beats the poke comp
mtd
or at least theirs
is danteh still on the outlaws roster
london can't play poke well
maybe it wasn't a bad idea to give london one map in my pickems
danteh played the first 2 maps
at least not nearly as well as the rush
he's been mostly on tank doom
Yes heās been playing tank doom
i mean houston
Piggy has only won one map so far
especially with the reduced cc
ah
yea itās fun to watch
the leap feels a lot more fluid
but outlaws is pretty much the only team that runs doom
and hadi fed
no reign are
that's cool tho
well yea
runnign the doom
reign and outlaws
I think off meta shit should happen a lot more
like last season of owl was living hell
but other than that itās just winston
it'll happen less as teams become less shit
sig is piggy's best hero, mer1t has a strong widow, ir1s is one of the best baps in ow, lastro is a decent zen
shits still goofy atm
If piggy doesnāt whiff shatter for once Houston has a small chance
i don't know why they don't feel comfortable running poke here
I think reign is starting go more towards Zarya
me neither
this map looks so good for widow
Nvmā¦
like havana 2
why would they push towards zarya instead of oh idk... monkey
it really is
stop stalling i want to see shock vs glads :(
that seems quite foolish
the uphill is an incredible spot for widow
spitfire still get a recontest with wall and beat
zarya punishes the monkey comp
Proper, Kilo, S9mm, Coluge, Finn, Viol2t
hanzo moment
I like watching hanzo
Mer1t ouch
yeah I saw
Merit looks so smooth
That hanzo was clean