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my first wrong prediction :((
but the extra ranged damage and lamp seems more useful
oof
crimzo is better than kariv
brig zen is doing very well i feel
i thought itd be performing a bit worse rn
could be wrong
that's the only thing correct
I mean
that kill on the Widow was sick
it's mirror poke
so
lamp isn't as impactful as with a rush or smth
lel bye faith
faith got deleted lmao
rock is so strong
went from full hp to 0 in 1.2 seconds lmao
I can see running brig to shield your widow
but atm I don't think it's doing that much
double shield is back on the menu
esp since they're mainly frontlining with her
aztac better than crimzo, most L take of the day
blading to force lamp lol
valentine whiffing another blade
man these blades have been so???
fucking idiot
healing in this game is fucking dumb
Zoning blades
has seicoe improving?
nah that blade was for lamp
?
so that punk could ult
yeah
meow
he can't actually go in because he can't close out a kill through the healing
he'll just die
ohh true
i thought valentine just whiffed but forcing lamp makes more sense
yeah he knew Zen had trance so he would just dash in and be in 5 people with no dash reset
not much he could do with it
so many people can't see the bigger picture
aztac is outright better than crimzo on every hero besides bap
in ow1 yeah that'd be a troll because your frontline would go balls to the wall at the same time
wrong
so that 160 dmg becomes a massive problem
mcd and crimzo are both better than aztac
MCD is racist but talented
@hot onyx what are your thoughts on the aztac haters and crimzo lovers
but in ow2 that gets healed up no problem
if he had nano he can kill thru trancse but he doesn't
if you're getting benched for lastro you must not be that good
ngl i might be racist if it allowed me to be talented
not at that range
killing through trance needs a slash/dash, not the other way around
LMAOOOO
you have to be dropping on someone to kill through trance
I know but if he had nano he would have dashed in their team and played it way differently
he mightve but he couldve also been rocked possibly
ngl i like the addition of pings, although is kinda hard in a game like this
beautiful
cuz ana without lucio kinda cringe
nanoblade and dryblade is like 2 different ults you don't play them the same way
omg
lol
you mean because brig is dead
victoria
Smooth as silk
sheeeesh
:(
u can't play dryblade the same way as nanoblade
slay victoria lmao
still getting use in owl tho
dam
UGGGGHHH WHY IS THE CASTING SOO GOOD WTFFFF
victoira ๐
Oh baby
maybe having another character that's untouchable by the widow is worth giving up lamp and window
the rock block lfmao
he doesnt stop
widow moment
wow
ayo valentine finally getting a chance to go crazy
rare 4K dryblade
genji diff
probably only one we're seeing in a while

Worse than Hitler
cracked
and they won without striker ๐ฎ
brig diff ๐
striker
wrong
well, for start genji didn't tried to blade a lucio on speed setting without dash ๐คทโโ๏ธ
Holding them back and washed up
Victoria still 6th
striker cant carry this time
boston has dangerous pick potential at all tiems
that zen rightclick was funny
when striker is in
victoria is the goat
boston cringe
But I can see him being better than the likes of SparkR
And Ezhan Guriyo
Letโs not get ahead of ourselves
he is the goat
victoria is a very gifted widow and ashe
everything else he is meh imo
but on widow
goated
i agree with "MommyAmeng" on Victoria's widow ashe
being a good widow already makes you a pretty valuable player
his hanzo is rlly good
widow is broken
being a good Genji is better this meta
do you not see how oppressive widow is being in these matches
she was oppressive in a long range hitscan map
I admit as someone who is not degenerate enough to watch every NA contenders game (china clears) I have very limited memory of victoria hanzo
keep in mind that map is super long range and open
a widow playground
dorado is also super widow heavy so far
and thats supposed to happen lol
na contenders
????
most maps have been favoring the 76 so far
that is true
yep
only that map
have ppl picked widow
lmao
I'm EST but my sleep schedule is fucked so
only escort maps favor the widow so far
we've seen widow on midtown and i haven't watched any push games yet
and occasionally australia
then it's NA
I've only seen widow played in escort maps
then EU is last on my watchtime
havent seen widow in push as of yet
nah, widow > ashe rn
EU Aww Yeah my fav conteders team ๐
on maps where widow isnt good
Wait so every 30 minutes we get 5 OWL tokens?
so on the maps where ashe is good widow is also good, on the maps where widow sucks ashe sucks too
every 1 hour I think
nyxl tried to play ashe, I wasn't terribly impressed
i dont think nyxl was particularly impressive overall
I wasnt terribly impressed by nyxl in general tbf
patiphan just cycled through every dps bro
W take
pati was... something
Is architect a good Genji player?
ye
oh colosseo
That's why I voted for Spark to go to Knockoffs
im so curious about what will be picked
and Dragons cuz Fleta
glads seemed alr, but didnt seem as dominant as shock
Aight cool thanks
i predict S76 dive
push is either rush or dive
symmetra?
junkrat doesnt exist
exactly
ssame with sym
hes the worst
pharah?
Sym is actually useless
like jinmu
pharah is kinda trash rn
yznsa
i think with the S76 nerfs
midt a
she might be way better
wooo
aztac
NONPNONONO
Aztac pls
Aztac played like shit
I feel like Sojourn has huge potential but no one has mastered her yet, her Ult is really powerful and 1 shot potential is good in this game
Skai is better
widowmaker
Needs more time and better coaching
just go widowmaker
why build up a one shot when you can play widow

widow gives you more chances plus its easier
honestly the european flex dps are having a lot of trouble on genji
and well backbone in general is trash lol
he didnt
yeah but Sojourn has mobility CC/DMG ability and can one shot easier from close range than Widow
he was getting picks
Sojourn rapid fire stronger
bastion soujorn
sojourn ult is just widow except you can move normally
masaa not good on bap and i dont like false rn
Are we gonna see a 3-2 today or will this end in a lame 3-1?
widow is oppressive on maps with big sightlines has a lot more verticality allowing her to get angles and doesn't need to charge a railgun / ult to be good
Seicoe
Seicoe popped off
seicoe ๐
nvm seicoe just poppin rn
looks like he's less nervous than on ilios
it was seicoe's first map in owl
interesting
What its the push robot name?
Jimmy John
that was a bit more of a thonker
TS1
aww but hes so cute
THey should call it John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt
the bot is called manna
Cause of too many people asking what its name is
lol
god
i hope the community can universally agree on naming the bot
Of all the gravs I've seen
That was certainly one of them
walle?
also zp and avast casting iirc
lol i wish
i like punks use of the zarya boops
the grav wasnt great but hey
that grav was insane
gonna be honest that middle part is super dangerous for the dive backline
dafran grav was legendary
and super easy to break los
16head
10Khead
F
this might be the map where I don't hate the grawl
IM SO CONFUSED BY THE FLEX SUPPORT SWAPPINGS???? why are they changing flex supports? both teams?
brawl
can we universally agree that zarya is garbage on this map
buuuuuuuuut im still not convinced
good visor
shockwave??
from wave
shockwave ????
seicoe being the superior genji
I recreated it ingame one time and have a video in youtube on it
such a good memory
that is a certified shockwave moment
am i the only one think baptiste a little bit outdated
striker is saving this ult so much
striker saving ult for next map
baps not outdated hes just bad
punk thought team was behind him
doesnt fit within the meta
saving ULT for Overwatch 3
striker use blossom challenge (very hard)
I'm already excited for the day we see the extremely unlikely Push draw
and its gone
push is basically ffa
well hes average at worst
AGAIN
dude what is shockwave doing
nice visor shockwave!!
bap was his strongest during double shields and rush
im convinced this man enjoys doing a little bit of trolling sometimes
bap's ult is still good but
this match is fucking weird bro
fr
i think it the map
PUSH is instense damn
push owl is smth else lol
no way
NOO

the titans are actually gonna win
our first map 5
god dammit
first map 5
first good shockwave visor impressive
lets go
holly
gonna be honest, was not paying attention that much
shock coming back with the 1 good visor lol
there goes my pickems
same
i bet 3-0 for boston so
Boston underperforming
that's awkward
chair carry
OH MY GAWHD SHOCKWAVE
same
THE SHOCK AND AWE
hopium
My pickems are looking good
hopium
2-2 Titans baby
I believe in the breadsticks
i thought the meta was pretty defined im not sure why im seeing throw comps

Vancouver Titans going to map 5 for Breadsticks
who cares about boston lol
i said 3-2
are boston fans even real?
first game 5
im surprised these guys who are being paid to play this game full time competitively have thrown as hard as they have
both teams
Thank God this isn't last year's titans
tim to pred titans to beat london
genuine question
teams haven't had enough time to lock down exactly what the best way to play is, so teams have a lot of different ideas of how to approach different maps
did u notice how underwhelming of mistakes they tend to make
like
shockwave really did a bit of trolling during that map and then decided to just stop at the end
yday too
I said 3-2 in favor of Boston, might get all my predictions right today
idk how you scrim that much for years and still throw
well the EU teams also have been outclassed
I predicted 3-2 for titans so hopefully they keep not playing striker tracer
on every single role
truth
pressure is a thing
trust if they go orisa brig lucio mei soldier76 they will win
I predicted Boston 3 - 0 Vancouver ๐
and everyone makes mistakes
they have not had that much time to scrim ow2
but still, like everyone makes mistakes, specially under pressure
2-2 rn baybee
i mean basic mistakes and im not just talking about this match
i mean against the shock
shock are just better
Gold players talking about mistakes of Owl playersโฆ
like pressing q immediately before you die isnt specific to ow2
in both game understanding and individual skill
You just dissed every sport
This is how sport fans are
what can kill you, what you need to accomplish, what kills you can close out all changed between ow1 and 2
L take do better next time
Yea, they are dumb
i was abt to say something but that wraps it up lol
whats wrong with discussing mistakes that OWL players do lol
You think nfl fans can play like Tom Brady
e.g. it is much harder to close out a kill on your own in ow2
shock head coach is plat
lol
It's just that we talk like we would have done better ourselves in their situation which is not true let's be honest
i mean getting dove by a winston or whatever and using visor when you're 1hp
very basic things
owl season 5 pretty cool but blizzard needs to put ow2 beta onto live client. its pretty shit how this is basically overwatch 1.1 and its just a gameplay patch but its on a seperate server that means nothing
why does the 6 person HUD look cursed now
they aren't done with the game yet
wait haha seriously
they pushed out the beta when they did because they needed something out for owl
yeah
crusty's plat
that's funny
Okay now lets say he gets just enough healing to survive and turns the fight with that visor. You would be saying it was a great play
ow2 beta is just a balance patch and fancy new lighting system, it's time to put this onto live client now blizzard
And new sounds
it's being played in overwatch league we are a little far from "needs hella work"
Itโs a completely new game from a technical standpoint
bastion is fun
But not top tier
i like how they advertised bastion hat and it doesnt exist
yeah LMAO
Overwatch 2 is basically the PVE, Overwatch 2 PVP is just a big patch to the first game
LOL
i disagree, really its the same game with a twist
but it's more fun
the game is unstable and the game is unbalanced & its unfinished ๐คทโโ๏ธ
I donโt think you understand what technical standpoint means
xQc OMEGALUL
finally marve1
xQc unfunniest person i've seen in my life
insane
it's being played by the overwatch league ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
definition of loud + toxic = funny
ex owl vs current
marve1 in
When is OW getting a Movie
yeah it's still unfinished lol
im p sure they can't fucking select ball
stream team vs. 3 coaches, viol2t and proper iirc
Correct
they can't yeah
but also that wouldn't help with ana
since that's the main thing containing doom
not my point
I mean 2 of their team were former OWL players
just to show that ow2 is scuffed
it's obviously finished enough to be played by the overwatch league, we are not talking about the crash bugs we are talking about the overall changes
OWL can't pick every hero
"finished enough" =/= finished
head coach of shock
Need boston to win for pickems
WHY IS THE COACH OF SHOCK PLAT???
pleez
what
3
because he spends more time analyzing and watching the game than playing it
Mechanics diff also he probably doesnt have time to play
in fact he spends very little time playing it
hes still like the smartest guy in the game
i should be the NYXL coach
To a degree. You need gamesense to get a high rank, but good gamesense doesnโt guarantee a good rank
true
he could get gm if he really wanted
i be screaming at the team
i bet
guys switch to phamercy
gamesense and game knowledge are different
ooooo crimzo is in
gamesense is heavily dependent on your awareness
coaching doesnt transition to personal play
he's a full time coach, he doesnt have the time to grind ladder.
im sure he was gm at some point
but he isnt at the moment because he works full time
and in-game you also need to pay attention to your movement, ability usage, aim, etc. while also paying attention to what's happening in the game
i know but i guarantee he would be good enough if he grinded
what coach crusty?
yeah
for an analyst, all they have to think about are things like positions, ability usage, ult rotations, etc.
He was plat when he came into the league
Heโs like diamond now
sad you are still gold after 6 years
most coaches dislike playing the game because they realize nobody would ever listen to him
hey jel did i tell u that i like ur pfp
or because the game isn't fun
I have much more fun analyzing the game than playing it lol
I could be playing ladder right now
but also no
Iโm literally not
i havent played in a while
pause #3
idk about you but as a Genji main I've never had more fun since the beta of OW2 came out
I can't stop playing
I
fr
don't like the beta atm
genji is literally meta rn so makes sense
did you play during the 2020 summer showdown
I need supports to get massive reworks before I like the game
As a zen main ive had more fun today and yesterday than ever
Cope
genji got one patch of being good and went back in the dumpster
didnt titans win both matches with shockwave
Mad that u canโt get carried by broken characters
what happened to genji
why they using aspire
I do hope they fix supports though
he got buffed to 30 dmg per shruiken, faster firerate
they cucked him in the summer showdown 2020
what's wrong with suports
I donโt
and, at the same time brig packs would overheal into armor
couple weeks of power and back in the throw pick category
oh yeah
so the end result was he could brawl very aggressively and consistently
the buff gave him 30 dmg faster firerate less spread for right click and allow him to deflect cancel
Theyโre upset supports arenโt super broken and solo carry games
Nothing about them changed in ow2 besides some nerfs
they hit genji's firerate and removed the brig packs that enabled him same patch
so he went back to being worse than tracer
i see. If they want a power fantasy, consider goin tank
ignoring the most recent patch
he still has the reduced spread and deflect cancel
tbh I miss wallclimbing to cancel deflect, it looked cooler and it separated good Genjis from bad ones back in the day
I am too
except for a select few that i like (lucio and ana)
lol
ana liker..
As a support player supports being omega broken ruined the game
Ana and lucio are meta lucky you
i cant watch ow league live on the website?
It just gives me the scores
YouTube
zen is cool as hell in ow2
you still can and I think it's faster but it's less consistent than canceling with e
I think zen and ana are both fun to play
i agree
this is why the OW community is so hard to please. Everyone just points fingers at other roles not their own
fs is very busted in ow1
can also dash out of it
will i still get the drops or ow league points
I mean essentially what happened
If you connect your battlenet to your YouTube
is dva and tracer ran the game
no matter what community or what u do there will always be an unsatisfied crowd
๐คทโโ๏ธ
so they buffed supports to counter it
Which there is a button next to the share button to do so
Without the mega peel from brig and offtank supports are weaker now
imo supports aren't bad rn I think they just need to get adapted to more agressive playstyle cuz the meta in OW1 was just sit behind 2 shields and pump heals into the tanks
alright ty, is that in my youtube settings?
now nothing dies because of the supports so they gotta buff damage
It should be right underneath the stream
now that they've buffed damage tanks die instantly so they gotta start adding shit to keep them alive
rinse and repeat for where we are now
How many points u guys got on pickems
still better than paladins nerfing everything
i only have 10
supports are running ow2 atm
put too much faith into paris
parii
it isnt
the main reason monkey is run over doom is because of ana
iirc they got rid of a lot of the burst heal
no
I like that the Devs seem a lot more communicative ever since the beta drop, we got a big patch just after the first week of the beta which is fast
yeah, it isnt there
they reduced bionade duration to3s
dirty reworks
and sleep dart is 15s cd
that's not on owl patch yet
oh sorry
If they keep that up Overwatch has a lot of potential
nano is the same
I mean
it's mahve1 baby
it does
it does
damn really
well I have a bit more of an issue with some of those ult rotations then
probably just less often you see ana using ult to save lives now
With 1 less tank u can heal more ig
not to save lives, so much as sustain
i think ana ult just doesn't belong in ow2 tbh
your tank can sit in a stupid aggressive position and eat damage, then get nanod and not care
not only that offensive nade playstyle is much more rewarding in OW2 as well
everything they dumped into killing him just went to waste
also
nano requires much less setup
since if you want to, say, go for an aggressive blade as long as you get the nano off it doesn't matter how much pressure he's under
you had to solve a recapatcha
nano is fine
like those rotate until its up right one
whereas if it didn't have the burst heal you'd have to make sure he had the resources to actually go in and do shit
that'll show that old woman
i wasnt paying attention to the game what happened so far
2-2, both teams trolling at points
dva is shit, rush and brawl showed some promise but I'm not convinced they're worth it over the money/ana/lucio
poke looked ight in the racing map
monkey > dva
no orisa
no orisa
this pause tho
i have a funny story
some guy got mad at me for saying orisa wasn't used saying
"shes just new OWL isnt comfortable on her"
I just can't really think of like
i wish orisa was used
Orisa looks unkillable and has a strong CC ability I'm suprised she doesn't get playtime
a strat that would want her over another tank
love the horseussy
the rein shield is very important
since you need to make sure you don't take too much poke so you don't fall apart
the bubbles are super flexible and then turn zarya into a very potent threat for brawl
idk man that javelin stun and DMG is insane
sig shield is persistent
its not enough lol
monkey lol
there just isn't a strat that makes me go "y'know what hero would work here? orisa"
zarya has grav and two bubbles in insane
many people disagree with me
zarya is better
I don't think the brawl is very good in general
is unkoe still playin valorant ?
think so
"highest tier gameplay" wtf
true
no thats glads coach
ok some of the genji m2 aim so far has been dubious
finally back in the game
im watching sideshow geoguesser
oh my god finally
wait no unter is glads coach
well that was a good 15-20 mins
i kinda like this nighttime oasis
woah wait yeah it's the first map 5
i was wrong
2nd is next match ๐ช
echo
please
ehco has been surprisingly used a lot
I didn't hate it as much as I thought I would
All maps should have different time of days
oh boy
you mean they are missing a lot or they are hitting a lot?
lmao what's with her and punk
missing
into ana
echo is great
striker mega feed
that's the nice part of the echo
tf marve1
if you land the stickies it's a very consistent kill
how did he live
how is boston winning in % right now
cuz doom
so if you can get in the hitscan's face...
cringe ?
get yeeted
I'm honestly suprised that they are missing that much
NUKED
BYE
nah marve1s just better
LOL
jesus christ doom punch is so dumb
gg call it there boston win
bro if titans lose this
they still are converting this what the fuck
these are definitely the cringiest casters yet
have they alwasy been on tracer?
no
Enemies have god tier movement, making them harder to hit
no they were 76
must be an OT thing
im a striker fan now
nope!
I think the tracer is still workable here
what the fuck are seicoe's mechanics
once nano is out this map is over
this striker tracer might be cringe
speed mayb
more like nano died
i think it is
oh boy
why dont they play aspire shockwave
Genji hasn't been played in a while people need to get the rust of their hands with him yk
boston troll
seicoe genji echo most likely better
LETS GO TITANS
why did they switch off 76
i voted 3-0 for boston
what
that's insane
oh no
nice troll boston!
wintrading in OWL
1 Down 1 to go
๐ณ
Even if Titans lose
??????????????????????
LFG VC
it was wobbly anyway lmfao
same lol
This isn't the surprise I wanted 
They threw that wtf
remember when you questioned my 3-2 vanc
Aspire is still better than the washed up husk of Striker
its ok guys they just want to take it to round 3 
bozo
i actually had boston winning
I told yโall Striker was washed
BOSTON STOP CUCKING MY PREDICTIONS
Titans winning this
Listen to uncle sans
TURN ON YOUR MONITORS
Told ya titans win this 3-2
why are u called sans
sans i never miss
tats cringe
that's a
Actual script
very reasonable guess
masaa szn
Exactly
ok jesus christ wtf are these casters
I voted 3-2 to Boston
if boston win i will laugh at this but i doubt that will happen
same
19th place team
I want titans to win
i would LOVE to see vancouver win
hope they don't go tracer
clueless
oh shit I just realized hanzo got rolled by the armor changes

seicoe?????
I'm gonna say it
seicoe is better than shockwave?
I hit these
honestly even if titans get oasis
boston win because of the humiliation theyve given their dps
punched off visor and dodged seicoe ๐ญ
well they did get it done
STRIKER
hey boston the point stay on that next time
nice
they win this but
marve1 is so good wtf
that was a fast ult for skairipa
istg if boston lose this fight
marve1 doom abuser
stalled until he got ult, ulted, then beated
WHAT
it's mahve1 baby
theyve been on tracer
titans know they dont have to wait until 99% to cap right
for a while no?
Boston just got tucked
marve1 better than punk
I might be way off on koth meta
going all the way? ๐
you'd only want to play to get back faster on koth tho
MARVE1 is on fire
marve1 main tank player with nutty doom
what a game
i just kinda knew
Damn
that was so god damm long
The difference when you let striker play tracer
point 3 control map 5
Instead
main tank diff?
Valentine
Hanzo?
HANZO GAMEPLAY
i think this is the first time in this seasons rn that we saw a doomfist that didnt switch 1 minute in
Why tf are OWL players always teasing us with other heroes then pick the last ones at the last second lol
I'm not a titans fan but I'm a masaa fan
same
same
marve1 just kinda clean
marvel should win
MARVE1 IS DEADLIFTING THIS WHAT
So when's the DF Nerf?
Sometime after Ana nerf
marve1 doom is yummy
we are not the same https://twitter.com/KenobiCasts/status/1522701820208033803

I have boston 3-2
Same

We are the same
LMAO WHAT WAS THAT
nice blade?
the fuck did she just say lmao
skaripa is getting picked so much
bruh Vancouver bout to win this shit
neither of these teams have a throne what are they saying
yeah they collapse on him whenever he uses fade
maybe a thrown
gg
"What can boston do?"
"Miss a pulse"
crazy game
LOL
C9
c9
nice blade
nice titans!!!
gg
i fuckin cant
you know
gg
+2
that blade
gg
c9
C9 LOL
shouldve been to contest
WOOW
C9
tf
glad boston still won
lmfao
C9
HAHAHAHAH
even tho my pick ems are still bad
No shot
c9 in top 500?
GG
me rn
