esports-discussion

[tidal marsh]

So which teams do you guys support

[willow drum]

Shock, Defiant, Seoul, Charge.

[next mesa]

seoul valiant dallas

and occasionally shanghai and proper as an individual

[willow drum]

proper probably best player to touch owl

[tidal marsh]

I didn't even know you could support more than one

[next mesa]

i agree

[willow drum]

You can, cause most of the teams i support arent on the same tier as the other ones

if that makes any sense

[frosty patrol]

I am a Chengdu simp

but also somewhat enjoy

washington

hangzhou

guangzhou

valiant

[next mesa]

glad 2 see valiant on the list

very based

[willow drum]

what.

[north relic]

What happened to him

Muted for shock fan?

If yes than based

[gusty rampart]

Muted for being too based

[willow tartan]

what did you post?

ur power rankings?

[north relic]

https://twitter.com/overwatchleague/status/1521618364208136194?s=20&t=zjdukBiAhyDuWB4fd6fR4A

Overwatch League (@overwatchleague)

It's time for a good old fashioned Texas throwdown in the #OWL2022 Opening Weekend 🌵

That means bringing out the big guns - with @TempoZP and @Avast_o tracking every fiery exchange between @DallasFuel and @Outlaws!

Likes

817

Twitter · May 3, 2022, 10:31 PM

Legendary

[trim shadow]

zp is one of the casters this year right

[north relic]

No

[trim shadow]

Weird

But it is what it is

[bleak lily]

Dallas vs Houston will be the best regular season game of the season

[north relic]

It’s a home stand right

[trim shadow]

I jus hope it isnt a 1 sided beatdown considering the hopium that is being consumed in mass by both fanbases

[north relic]

If yes then it probably is

[trim temple]

Dallas Fuel for the win

[wild cape]

very true

[next mesa]

I hope it's close for the fans

But imo Dallas wins

[trim shadow]

Yea i will give dallas a 79% chance to win i would go higher but if danteh or pelican enter Fucking chakra god 6 paths then it will be a dog fight

[willow drum]

doubt it will be close either way

but a lot of my friends are outlaws hopium

[tidal marsh]

Holy shit I just saw the reinforced power ranking

[willow tartan]

yeah ikr mine better

[balmy wolf]

storm in my area

[tawdry hamlet]

Danteh is nowhere near pelican

Pelican is S tier on almost every hero

Danteh is A tier on like 3

[next mesa]

1

Sombra

[tawdry hamlet]

True

[twin bloom]

Disagree!

[next mesa]

i respect ur opinion

we will agree 2 disagree

[twin bloom]

Esninemm will gets lots of playtime

Kilo is midlo

Proper s9mm best duo ever!

[cunning patrol]

S9mmuel sucks and him being signed is sad cuz it will boom his mental

[twin bloom]

He does not

[sullen berry]

Being signed onto the shock roster instantly booms your mental

[earnest leaf]

s9mm has pretty nasty mechanics

I'd say for now he's a small downgrade over nero on a few heroes, but an upgrade on others

and could become an overall upgrade

[cunning patrol]

S9mm is terrible shut up Shock Stan

[cunning patrol]

He is worse than speedily and Nero who are both middling

[willow tartan]

fuck speedily

sugarfree gang

[trim shadow]

Crusty still coachin

[twin bloom]

Stop saying cringe

[twin bloom]

Shut up

You don't understand ow

At a high level

Sadly

[cunning patrol]

I do

And top tier analysts agree with me

[twin bloom]

I disagree

With some of your takes

Sadly

[cunning patrol]

You are a too tier analyst I agree

But other top tier ones agree with me

[tropic herald]

WhoRU is the best genji player in the game, other top tier analysts agree with this statement

[next mesa]

mmmm

but perhaps sparkle

is kinda sparkly ✨

[noble nexus]

teru >

[tawdry hamlet]

Make a wish kids getting a single win doesn't make teru even remotely mid tier

But a lot of people thought so for some reason

[hot onyx]

Reinforce copy pasting bottom 4 from last year smh

This is not the ranking of a mentally stable “professional”

[vagrant cargo]

LMFAO

[earnest leaf]

mfs still haven't learned how to reply without pinging

[vagrant cargo]

😥😥

[sullen berry]

Really not that hard to do

https://twitter.com/_Tridd/status/1435739801701978114?t=h0DXSIw7EMonbqVX4hUAFw&s=19

Tom Underwood (@_Tridd)

New year, new me 🎉

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Twitter · Sep 8, 2021, 11:00 PM

I will take any questions at this time, without the cat maid outfit tonight

[hot onyx]

I have

[vagrant jacinth]

based

https://twitter.com/SirMajed9/status/1521653367344451587?t=YEDHFDVtbBhK0C9BiJAt8g&s=19

Majed (@SirMajed9)

Finally…

Likes

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Twitter · May 4, 2022, 12:50 AM

[frosty patrol]

https://twitter.com/overwatchleague/status/1521618364208136194?t=iobShDIe0mn5LdXNKFG9kg&s=19

Overwatch League (@overwatchleague)

It's time for a good old fashioned Texas throwdown in the #OWL2022 Opening Weekend 🌵

That means bringing out the big guns - with @TempoZP and @Avast_o tracking every fiery exchange between @DallasFuel and @Outlaws!

Likes

1162

Twitter · May 3, 2022, 10:31 PM

Holy shit

avast overwatch

casting

or on the desk

[plush grail]

avast looking like he about to commit tax fraud

[devout path]

About? He already did

Idiot

[willow drum]

holy s9mm stream title, "MATCH TIME SOON BUT I'M BENCHED NOOO"

[plush grail]

???

[devout path]

Don’t ? me loser

[plush grail]

https://tenor.com/view/swag-cat-mad-watch-this-swag-crash-lol-gif-20326813

[devout path]

Mad? Touch some grass

[plush grail]

says u

[north relic]

Extremely based

[plush grail]

post uvalo girl drawing

[plush grail]

https://www.youtube.com/c/supertf/videos

what the fuck is happening

[devout path]

Literal sexism

[north relic]

No

[devout path]

Yes

[north relic]

He probably couldn’t draw a man either

[devout path]

Yet I don’t see him drawing men badly

[vagrant cargo]

Probably bait

[devout path]

Curious

[vagrant cargo]

Hopefully no bait tho

[willow drum]

I doubt it's bait lol

[devout path]

Oh ya owl is tomorrow

Who’s playing

[willow drum]

NYXL v Glads i think

Shock v Paris

Reign v Mayhem

[plush grail]

0 iq

[devout path]

Wow did u get an iq test

Or is that ur prediction

[plush grail]

i promised lsd and sans that i will do a iq test on stream one time

[north relic]

he got a below average score where it says he was outside their range

[frosty patrol]

"43"

[plush grail]

NO

i just clicked random shit

because sans had to leave

and i had like 20 minutes left

[north relic]

cope

[plush grail]

its true??

[north relic]

no it isnt

[devout path]

Luigi coping

That he’s an idiot

And I’m the smartest person in this chat

[north relic]

He would just draw the same thing without the hair

[tawdry hamlet]

I'm hungover at 4am on a weeknight and possess more iq call me stephen hawking

[devout path]

Yet he hasn’t

Curious

[north relic]

we didn’t get a boy/man prompt

[plush grail]

uvalo has never seen a female irl

cut him some slack

[bleak lily]

Piggy > Fury currently

[devout path]

True and real

[frosty patrol]

good and very cold take

fury is mid

[bleak lily]

Interesting thought it would’ve been a hot take

Maybe this server just has more reasonable people

[frosty patrol]

oh yeah everyone is intelligent except cuyo

[devout path]

And like everyone

[frosty patrol]

at least

we are more intelligent than r/cow or r/owl

[devout path]

Everyone in this server is an idiot except me

[devout path]

Real

[devout path]

How is it a hot take

[frosty patrol]

well actually

bowol is dumber than r/cow users

thinks mayhem are top 3 NA

[devout path]

Mayhem bottom 3 na

Well that’s a lie

Bottom 4

[frosty patrol]

I have them 10th NA

yeah

bottom 4

[devout path]

I forgot London existed

Did u see platchat rankings

[bleak lily]

Fury just has massive Nostalgia and last season got 0 blame for his performances

Platchat be like not invested in Scrimbux until they talked about Florida

[devout path]

Idk how the fuck philly got so high

That had to have forgotten about them right

[frosty patrol]

where did they put philly

Platchat are massive investors in fury bux and think fusion dps are top 3 or something btw

[frosty patrol]

I have Fusion 11

[devout path]

I’m not a big apac believer

I think I put philly below mayhem

[frosty patrol]

I’m reasonable and have half of apac in the bottom half of the league

then I have

spark 9 hunters 7 dynasty 5 dragons 1

valiant 13 charge 15

wait

I have all of apac as all numbers

weirdchamp

[devout path]

Does anyone not have dragons 1

[frosty patrol]

I think dunamis and dink both have glads 1

delusional

[devout path]

Literally delusional

[frosty patrol]

and josh dick has fuel 1

[devout path]

I mean glads and dragons r rlly even on paper

[frosty patrol]

and then someone has spitfire above charge and valiant which is fucking deluded

[frosty patrol]

disagree

[balmy wolf]

fuck glads

hate that team

[devout path]

The backline is equal the dps line is equal the tank line idk

I don’t know how good Reiner is

[frosty patrol]

tank dragons win imo

[balmy wolf]

dps line is not even

[frosty patrol]

dps dragons also win

[balmy wolf]

lip fleta

is so good

[devout path]

Vs ans kevster

[frosty patrol]

support is even

[balmy wolf]

yes

[devout path]

Kevster

[balmy wolf]

kevster and ans get diffed

[frosty patrol]

lip fleta is better than ans kevster

[devout path]

Kevster does not get diffed by fleta

[balmy wolf]

he does

[frosty patrol]

kevster >= fleta but lip >> ans

[devout path]

It’s even because lip > ans and kevster > fleta

[balmy wolf]

no

fleta is not worse then kevster

[frosty patrol]

lip is much better than ans and kevster is slightly better than fleta

imo

[devout path]

Fleta is so much worse than kevster mystary ur an idiot

I’m also a heavy fleta doubter so

[balmy wolf]

im not an idiot

take that back

[devout path]

You are

[balmy wolf]

no

[devout path]

I wouldn’t say lip is much better but better yes

[frosty patrol]

lip is a tier better or more on every hero but widow imo

and soldier

[devout path]

Lip and ans are even on every hitscan

Imo

[frosty patrol]

lip is a better ashe and cass

[devout path]

Lip has the sombra which makes him better

[frosty patrol]

even on soldier

ans better widow or even

[devout path]

Kinda hard to compare ans when we don’t know what ans we’re getting

Ans either fucking rolls lip

Or goes even

/slightly worse

[ebon aurora]

I had Chengdu 5th in APAC

[frosty patrol]

or gets rolled*

lip is currently much better on ashe

[frosty patrol]

sir

do you are have stupid

[devout path]

5th in apac

[ebon aurora]

is it that hot a take? With their current situation they could implode

[devout path]

Who the fuck do you have above them

[frosty patrol]

ga9a leave nisha mmonk jinmu riven

is still very good

[ebon aurora]

Spark 4th, Fusion 3rd in APAC

[frosty patrol]

fusion 3????

[balmy wolf]

lip is best tracer

[devout path]

Philly is garbage

[frosty patrol]

belosrea fury fixa aimgod is 3rd????

[ebon aurora]

do you have faith in Spark?

they always blow up

[frosty patrol]

chengdu clears philly on tank and support

I have spark 4th apac

chengdu 3rd

[devout path]

I have no faith in any apac team except dragons

[ebon aurora]

I think Chengdu could really drop this season

losing Ap1rta was huge

[devout path]

Every team in that region implodes

[ebon aurora]

I was torn on 3rd-5th

[frosty patrol]

it’s just

[ebon aurora]

it wasn't easy - I don't have much faith in any of them

[frosty patrol]

chengdu is still good

[ebon aurora]

I agree it's a bold take but I don't think it's totally ridiculous

[frosty patrol]

a top 4 mt, top 4 zarya (ignore riven’s other heroes), the best player in the world, a weirdo named jinmu, a top 8 main support, and top 6 flex support

is not worse than fusion

who have

a bottom 5 mt

mid offtank

[ebon aurora]

Leave can't cover literally everything

[frosty patrol]

top 5-6 hitscan

[ebon aurora]

in terms of DPS

what happens if Tracer + hitscan is meta

[bleak lily]

9th

Watching it right now actually

[ebon aurora]

Jinmu is done for

[frosty patrol]

they were 3rd last year overall with leave jinmu

mid fdps

bottom 3 main support

below average flex support

that’s better than chengdu?

[ebon aurora]

solo tank I have a lot more faith in Fury than Ga9a

[devout path]

Yes he can

[frosty patrol]

neither are solo tanking

also

why do you have more faith in a mid offtank than top 4 maintank

please explain

[ebon aurora]

who is Chengdu's off tank?

I might've missed that

[frosty patrol]

riven lmfao

[ebon aurora]

I legit didn't see that

when was that announced

[devout path]

Whomegalul

[frosty patrol]

15 minutes after they dropped apr1ta yveltal farway

[devout path]

I have a ton of faith in ga9a solo tank

I think he’s like fate

[ebon aurora]

On paper Chengdu's DPS is better but Fusion's is much more well-rounded - will you agree on that?

[devout path]

On paper it doesn’t matter cuz philly have a terrible tank and support lineup

[ebon aurora]

how is Fury terrible

[frosty patrol]

philly and chengdu on dps are about even but

[devout path]

Fury is mid

[frosty patrol]

having nobody above mid that isn’t a dps

is not a recipe for 3rd apac

[ebon aurora]

normally no

[devout path]

Well it is when ur region sucks

[ebon aurora]

but if teams implode like they normally do

they could sneak it

[frosty patrol]

every other good apac team has a better tank and support lineup

[frosty patrol]

you’re resting your rating for fusion on other teams imploding?

that’s fucking lunacy

[ebon aurora]

is it?

when it's happened before?

[frosty patrol]

“if these 2 teams shit the bed fusion is 3rd”

[ebon aurora]

Spark are known to underperform

and Chengdu in their current situation, who knows

[devout path]

I mean every apac team except dragons always implodes every year

[frosty patrol]

“spark are known to underperform” and they have an entirely new coaching staff and roster now

[ebon aurora]

and their coach is Changoon

[frosty patrol]

changoon is not an implosion head coach

[ebon aurora]

who underperformed with Seoul

[devout path]

Underperformed?

I disagree

[frosty patrol]

so you’re basically telling me, mr rinqed

[devout path]

I think seoul performed very well for the roster they had

Very consistent and 3rd in apac

[frosty patrol]

belosrea fury fixa aimgod > ga9a riven nisha mmonk?

[ebon aurora]

idk anything about riven

fury I take over ga9a

[frosty patrol]

“mid offtank > top 4 mt”

[ebon aurora]

how is Fury mid-tier

[devout path]

????

[ebon aurora]

are you joking

[frosty patrol]

fury is worse than the following offtanks

[ebon aurora]

no OT would've looked good last year on Justice

let's be real

[frosty patrol]

void hanbin lige hawk space coluge hotba kalios

fury is 9th

[ebon aurora]

Lige hasn't even played

so you can't say that

same with Coluge

[hot onyx]

Based as fuck Hotba placement

[frosty patrol]

lige is better than fury

just outright

[ebon aurora]

how can you say that

[hot onyx]

Watch Contenders

[ebon aurora]

if Lige hasn't even played in the league

[hot onyx]

He is better

[frosty patrol]

because I’ve watched Lige play?

[ebon aurora]

and Fury has won OWL?

[frosty patrol]

and I’ve watched fury play?

[frosty patrol]

yeah so has hooreg is he better than mn3

[ebon aurora]

did I say that?

no

[hot onyx]

“Yeah how can you say Pelican is better than Blasè when Pelican hasn’t even played in the league and Blasè has?”

[devout path]

Whoru best fdps

[frosty patrol]

winning owl 4 years ago doesn’t make you good now

tf

[ebon aurora]

ffs why do I bother even trying to discuss my picks if all you're going to do is shit on them

[hot onyx]

Fury is average now

Watch Contenders

LiGe clears

[frosty patrol]

you’re allowed to have opinions but if they’re shit I’m not going to respect them

[balmy wolf]

yo

[ebon aurora]

so you just insult me instead, sure

that's fine

totally fine

[hot onyx]

Don’t be rating players lower because they’re “unproven in the league”

[frosty patrol]

your arguments are stupid

“fury won owl”

[ebon aurora]

how is that a stupid argument?

[devout path]

Who insulted you

[frosty patrol]

“spark and hunters WILL shit the bed”

[ebon aurora]

I'm not saying they will

[frosty patrol]

because it’s a title from 4 years ago

[ebon aurora]

I'm saying they could

[hot onyx]

No they won’t

[ebon aurora]

based on previous seasons

[frosty patrol]

do you know who was elite 4 years ago

[devout path]

Philly will

[frosty patrol]

do you?

fucking bdosin

[hot onyx]

I know they will doofus

[devout path]

Let’s not forget kellex

[frosty patrol]

mistakes was also elite

[hot onyx]

Fusion are guaranteed 5th apac

And slot in the gatekeeper role

[frosty patrol]

punch up potential to 4th though

[devout path]

Custa

[ebon aurora]

I make a hot take and all you do is shit on it, I'm out

[devout path]

Kariv

Anamo

[hot onyx]

Keeping Charge and Valiant out of tournaments while Dragons Spark and Hunters Male the tourneys

[devout path]

Only exception is jjonak who is still goated

[ebon aurora]

this isn't discussion, this is just flat out bullying

[hot onyx]

If Seoul have an inconsistent stage or Spark give Architect or Bernar playtime sure

[frosty patrol]

Yes.

[ebon aurora]

and you think that is acceptable?

[frosty patrol]

It was a discussion until you bullied yourself with arguments like

[hot onyx]

I’ve given takes that have been bullied worse

[frosty patrol]

“FURY WON OWL”

[frosty patrol]

same

[hot onyx]

Like “Poko is not bottom 5”

Which he isn’t

[devout path]

Wait how is calling an opinion bad bullying

[ebon aurora]

am I not allowed to have an opinion without it being shit on?

[frosty patrol]

poko is bottom 5

[slate siren]

I support teams based on their team colors

[frosty patrol]

^

[hot onyx]

Those spots belong to Sasin Punk Adam Vulcan and Bernar

[frosty patrol]

good take

[frosty patrol]

bernar is benched

[slate siren]

Thanks

[devout path]

This is why spark the best

[hot onyx]

Poko 6th worst

[frosty patrol]

5th worst starter

[hot onyx]

LiGe could bench himself with mental health again

If that happens Poko 6th worst

[frosty patrol]

yes

[devout path]

I’ll bench you

[hot onyx]

I’ve seen your orisa no you couldn’t

[slate siren]

ong sparks teams colors are amazing

Best in the league

[frosty patrol]

I love how rinqed pulled out the 2 most normie arguments possible

[hot onyx]

But Spark aren’t gonna shit the bed

[frosty patrol]

“x player won a title”

[ebon aurora]

will you stfu

[devout path]

My orisa is goated?

[ebon aurora]

seriously

[frosty patrol]

“x player hasnt played in owl”

[devout path]

My rein is literally the best

Super who?

[ebon aurora]

Look, I overestimated how much Chengdu could/did implode

[devout path]

Real

[north relic]

rein 1v1 when

[ebon aurora]

I just don't see how saying "X has won OWL" or "X hasn't played in the league" are not valid arguments - especially if you're already claiming they're better than someone who is proven in the league against a rookie

[frosty patrol]

patriot lsd?

[frosty patrol]

because

[ebon aurora]

on paper they might be better

[north relic]

you didn’t notice this entire time?

[ebon aurora]

but they could also wilt under the pressure

[frosty patrol]

x won owl is moot when that was 4 years ago

dude

[devout path]

Any time

[north relic]

You are est right

[frosty patrol]

4 years ago ricegum was beefing with the sidemen

[devout path]

Yes

[north relic]

Is 4pm good

[frosty patrol]

you’re telling me that’s a relevant time period to judge players NOW?

also

[devout path]

Shock won owl goated team

[frosty patrol]

we can watch players in contenders

[ebon aurora]

yeah and OWL is a whole different level

saying Coluge > Fury is a massive take

[frosty patrol]

their gameplay doesn’t change when they hit owl

we can still see their gameplay

[ebon aurora]

and the competition is harder in OWL so maybe their gameplay from contenders doesn't suffice?

[frosty patrol]

just account for it being against weaker competition

[ebon aurora]

it's certainly happened a lot before

where hyped contenders players fail in OWL

[frosty patrol]

we know it will because we use comparative analysis against owl offtanks

[frosty patrol]

most of those players were insanely overrated

[devout path]

And it’s certainly happened when rookies who were said to be super good were indeed insane

[frosty patrol]

tbh

[devout path]

This is copium

[ebon aurora]

of the list you quoted of the OTs above Fury: I'll give you Void, Space, Hanbin, Hawk - after that I think it's at least worthy of discussion

[frosty patrol]

not kalios?

[devout path]

Here’s the list

[frosty patrol]

he did look better than fury and played in the league last year

[devout path]

I think coluge I would argue against

[frosty patrol]

fair

[devout path]

Everyone else I agree

Maybe kalios but he looked solid last year

[ebon aurora]

without seeing Lige play in the league, idk how you can say that, same with Coluge

the others at least played last year

[devout path]

I like to think contenders is the skill of owl from two years ago

[ebon aurora]

but on OW2 who knows

Hotba and Kalios are close, I'll say that

[devout path]

On ow2 no one knows who’s gonna be good which gets rid of the entire point of ranking the tanks

[ebon aurora]

I guess the hypothetical question is, would Hotba/Kalios have performed better than Fury on the Justice

[devout path]

Hotba performed solid on a terrible philly and kalios also performed good on a bad team

[ebon aurora]

I admit Hotba has shown more flexibility than Fury in OWL, having played DPS (and support iirc) which going into a new game and solo tank is a big bonus so fair enough I'll concede on Hotba

Kalios v Fury though is close

the irony being Kalios is now on the Justice so I guess we get to see how he performs in a similar setup

look, maybe my take of Chengdu 5th was bold and thinking about it it was probably wrong

but there is no reason to shit on me when I try and defend it

isn't that the point of discussion?

[frosty patrol]

I mean, nobody told you you were a botched abortion or anything

we’re not really bullying you

we can be foul when actually bullying

[ebon aurora]

ok well it felt like it was, and I'm sorry if I misinterpreted

what about NA, what's your rankings

mine was:

Fuel
Glads
Reign
Shock
Outlaws
Defiant
Uprising
Mayhem
Justice
Eternal
NYXL
Titans
Spitfire

6-10 was hard

[raw ermine]

Did yall see that super had his yt channel hacked by some crypto bitch?

[willow tartan]

AAA
I NEED OWL

[ebon aurora]

same, not long at all now

[hot onyx]

Uprising and Mayhem above Justice and NYXL??

[ebon aurora]

Uprising have a really balanced team

and I think Mayhem are being underrated big time

NYXL don't even have a main support and their OT is a foreign player in a Korean roster who I doubt sees much (if any) play

Justice's support line (until Vigilante comes of age) looks really bad

[vagrant jacinth]

Almost there

[ebon aurora]

1 more night...

what matches is it tomorrow? NYXL v Glads, what else - I forgot

[north relic]

Houston don’t have a main support and one tank

Mikes low tier power rankings

[hot onyx]

perfectly balanced dogshit

of a core that got 3-0'd by the 2021 Titans

[ebon aurora]

their backline is good, Striker could be insane again, they at least have main and off tanks

[hot onyx]

but they make up for it with the worst rookie hitscan and the most toxic flex support in the league

[ebon aurora]

I think they'll run Faith Crimzo

[hot onyx]

Crimzo and Faith only looked good because their competiton was weak

Faith in particular

[ebon aurora]

Faith is good wdym

[hot onyx]

let me name

every main support

that Faith (arguably) played better than

last season

Kellex Fire Mandu Highbee Friday IDK Slime Anamo AnSoonJae Closer Tobi Joobi Jecse

show me how many of them are still in the league

[ebon aurora]

Did you really just put Jecse lol

[hot onyx]

Anamo

[hot onyx]

i said arguably, i don't personally think he is but he isn't in the league so doesn't matter

only rookie main support I'd argue he is stronger than is Opener

[ebon aurora]

you could say he played better than Moth last season

technically

[hot onyx]

you can also say he played better than CH0R0NG last season

because neither played

[frosty patrol]

I’d argue opener fixa admiral

[hot onyx]

i would not

Admiral worst case is equal

and I am the most pessimistic Fusion fan when it comes to FiXa

[frosty patrol]

admiral best case is slightly better

[hot onyx]

but after viewing both

if i had to choose between the two

i'd take FiXa

[frosty patrol]

I am a hater of FiXa and Admiral

also

crimzo is below average

[hot onyx]

correct

[frosty patrol]

@ebon aurora

[hot onyx]

i still respect your Boston 19th placement though

i can understand why someone would believe London would be slightly worse

[ebon aurora]

Titans over Eternal/Mayhem/Uprising is insane

[hot onyx]

no it's not????????

[frosty patrol]

let me sell you on

masaa szn

[hot onyx]

do you even know their roster?

[ebon aurora]

yes?

[frosty patrol]

the vancouver titans

have masaa aztac

[ebon aurora]

again, only 1 tank

[frosty patrol]

masaa szn

aztac szn

[hot onyx]

i dont give a shit

sometimes it's better to have one good tank than a mid tank and a shitter

like Fusion does

or Mayhem

[ebon aurora]

clearly I value flexibility higher than you

[frosty patrol]

also titans are certainly better than mayhem who have 2 above average players and the rest are bottom 5 or mid

[ebon aurora]

Hydron Xzi is a cracked DPS line wtf

[hot onyx]

clearly you don't understand being flexible doesn't equal being good

[frosty patrol]

hydron is mid

xzi is very good

[hot onyx]

honestly

[frosty patrol]

someone is very good

everyone else is below average

[hot onyx]

i can see Xzi not playing as well as his 2020 peak

[vagrant jacinth]

I can also see that

[hot onyx]

and being washed

i mean

[frosty patrol]

I have xzi as like

the 7-8th best hs

[hot onyx]

there were multiple teams in asia that could've utilised him for 2nd hitscan

[frosty patrol]

in current day

[hot onyx]

Seoul

Charge

[frosty patrol]

valiant

6th dps

[vagrant jacinth]

Lol

[hot onyx]

i think he'd prefer to be paid in more than a complimentary char sui chow mein

[ebon aurora]

I admit flexibility doesn't necessarily mean you're good but it certainly helps you cover more bases

[frosty patrol]

he would get paid in nohill coaching sessions

[hot onyx]

look at Marve1 flexibility

doesn't make him any less of a bottom 5 main tank

[frosty patrol]

I RATE the vancouver support line

masaa aztac 😍

[hot onyx]

rightfully so ^^

[frosty patrol]

in the lucio meta

[hot onyx]

gas

[frosty patrol]

masaa szn

[hot onyx]

i honestly risk False main tank over Marve1 or Itsal

[ebon aurora]

seriously?

[hot onyx]

and still run his strengths most of the time

[ebon aurora]

even though Marve1 has actually played MT in OWL before

[hot onyx]

shut up

with the argument

that you're not good until you play in OWL

[ebon aurora]

I'm not saying that

[hot onyx]

sounds like you are

[frosty patrol]

I like boston’s tankline overall more but I do think titans are better on hitscan (not tracer), fdps, offtank heroes, main support, and flex support

[ebon aurora]

and you're doing exactly what you said you weren't - which is bullying

[hot onyx]

playing in OWL doesn't make you good

ever watch 2021 Young and Beautiful?

NicoGDH Benbest Kruise Boombox

4 OWL players

[frosty patrol]

ever watch hydration maintank

in contenders

[hot onyx]

didn't even make top 3 in EU Contenders

[ebon aurora]

idk why I'm even bothering to chat to you if all you're going to do is be rude

[cedar oasis]

Lmao

Yea sans

Respect his opinion

[vagrant jacinth]

What we arguing about again?

[hot onyx]

Titans >>>>> Boston

[ebon aurora]

I can't fathom for the life of me how saying "someone is proven in OWL over a rookie" is a bad argument

[cedar oasis]

Boston shits on the titans

Sans just cant stop coping

[hot onyx]

so you'd rather have Danteh than Proper?

[ebon aurora]

that's an exception

[hot onyx]

ok

[ebon aurora]

because Proper is just stupid

[vagrant jacinth]

I see

[frosty patrol]

what about apr1ta vs edison

[ebon aurora]

but in most cases yes I'd rather have proven OWL talent v rookies

[cedar oasis]

Edison gonna get mvp

[hot onyx]

heres the argument though

[cedar oasis]

I believe in rush

[hot onyx]

Rookies have to start somewhere

always

[vagrant jacinth]

Idk what to say, boston does poo on titans

[ebon aurora]

sure

[frosty patrol]

CEO of mid

[cedar oasis]

Facts

[hot onyx]

trading around existing OWL players until they wash up is boring

Haksal had to be a rookie

Alarm had to be a rookie

[frosty patrol]

the 4th best rookie

[hot onyx]

Lip had to be a rookie

[frosty patrol]

godsb szn

[hot onyx]

Sp9rk1e had to be a rookie

[ebon aurora]

yeah ok, but until they prove themselves in OWL comparing them to proven OWL talent is unfair

[hot onyx]

Pelican had to be a rookie

[frosty patrol]

don’t you mean

[hot onyx]

no it isnt

[frosty patrol]

fdgod szn

[cedar oasis]

Edison shits on anyone from the hunters

[hot onyx]

because there is like

[frosty patrol]

nah

riven szn

also, reminder

titans top 8 NA

[hot onyx]

at least 30 rookies coming into the league this season

[frosty patrol]

masaa szn

[cedar oasis]

Sorry mike your team looks to be falling apart before the season even started therefore cope

[vagrant jacinth]

If teams are looking to pick them up for owl, you are allowed to compare

[ebon aurora]

sure but until they actually play, we have no idea how they stack up

[frosty patrol]

Sans

will people ever stop doubting the masaa season

[ebon aurora]

Unlikely as it is, who knows - Proper might flop (I don't think he will but still)

[cedar oasis]

Yea

[vagrant jacinth]

They've been in contenders, there is tape to watch

[ebon aurora]

OWL is a totally different level let's be honest

[cedar oasis]

@plush grail

[hot onyx]

no because they are unenlightened

[ebon aurora]

I really rate Masaa and their DPS are good but again just 1 tank scares me

[vagrant jacinth]

Top tendies teams are probably somewhere in the bottom of owl

[ebon aurora]

compared to Boston/Paris/Florida who at least have "complete" rosters

[vagrant jacinth]

I say it's fine to compare

[hot onyx]

there are multiple Contenders players coming into the league that are top 5??

[hot onyx]

i rate 2021 T1 higher than current Fusion

[vagrant jacinth]

Good

[cedar oasis]

Fusion sucks tho

[hot onyx]

Clestyn > Fury

[vagrant jacinth]

Fusion will be garbo

[hot onyx]

Unique > FiXa

Krilling > Aimgod

[vagrant jacinth]

They're going backwards

[frosty patrol]

glad you didn’t forget the god

krillin

[hot onyx]

all they had to do

to be slightly better than their academy team

[cedar oasis]

True

[vagrant jacinth]

Not the szns

[hot onyx]

is sign Sado

[cedar oasis]

Sado sucks

[hot onyx]

Sado

is top 10

[vagrant jacinth]

Sado would fuck on ow2 wdym

[frosty patrol]

adopt a szn nickname

[cedar oasis]

Guy needs a top 3 support line to be good

[frosty patrol]

all of you

[hot onyx]

Belosrea is bottom 5

[vagrant jacinth]

Who

[cedar oasis]

Sado will go back to s1 if he had fixa and aimgod

[frosty patrol]

everyone

[hot onyx]

I'm sorry he couldn't perform to your expectations with fucking AnSoonJae Lastro

[frosty patrol]

rinqed can have FurySZN

Cuyo gets HotbaSZN

[hot onyx]

a bottom tier support duo

[frosty patrol]

levy gets FitsSZN

[ebon aurora]

genuine question, did Aztac even play much for Defiant? Wasn't it pretty much Lastro full time?

[hot onyx]

Aztac got done dirty

by the funny sex big dick nepotism

[vagrant jacinth]

I want fury szn

[cedar oasis]

Lastro better then aztac

[hot onyx]

mechanically Aztac is better than Lastro could ever wish to be

[frosty patrol]

fine hari

[hot onyx]

and gamesense wise

[frosty patrol]

take furyszn before he does

hurry

[hot onyx]

my guess is no one on Defiant was a shotcaller

except Lastro

[cedar oasis]

Lastro benched Aztec

[frosty patrol]

logix is a baller and shotcaller wdym

[hot onyx]

either that or ASJ benched himself until he got to play with the funnyman

[cedar oasis]

Aztec sucks

[vagrant jacinth]

Tha king of OT's

[ebon aurora]

I know it's your opinion but imo Titans above Uprising/Mayhem/Eternal is a bold take

[frosty patrol]

beast was the best mt on defiant

ever

beasthalo top 5

[ebon aurora]

And I do like a lot of the Titans roster

fwiw

[hot onyx]

it's also a correct one because all those teams are bottom 5

[ebon aurora]

I just think the others are more well-rounded

[hot onyx]

Boston may be flexible

but they are yet to sign a good player

[ebon aurora]

Aspire/Shockwave v Glister/Naga? That's close

[hot onyx]

Glister overrated

[frosty patrol]

honestly I just take titans supports

[hot onyx]

and sHockWave rolls NAga

[frosty patrol]

and shockwave is benched for mr seicoe

[ebon aurora]

Dridro Kaan were sick last season

[vagrant jacinth]

Shockwave and masaa are the only things I like about titans

[ebon aurora]

Vestola is a solid OT too

[frosty patrol]

then masaa was violently ill

[hot onyx]

Mr Sei "not a bottom 5 flex dps" Coe

trust

[ebon aurora]

Dude I really rate Masaa

[hot onyx]

Rinqed

[ebon aurora]

what now

[hot onyx]

Paris had a 8-8 record last season

that sounds good

[frosty patrol]

Mr Sei “5th worst dps but levels up to proper tier every 3rd game” Coe

[ebon aurora]

and before Vestola/Dridro joined they were awful

[hot onyx]

until you look closer and see that 4 of those wins were against Titans and Spitfire

[ebon aurora]

they elevated that team bigtime

[frosty patrol]

they went 4-8 against non bread bowl teams

[ebon aurora]

4-8 against teams they're expected to lose to isn't that bad

[hot onyx]

technically

at that time i'd expect them to beat Boston

[frosty patrol]

and mayhem

[hot onyx]

so 3-8 against teams they're expected to lose to

[frosty patrol]

because mayhem vomited

[hot onyx]

and Dallas sandbagged by fielding Rapel

and still made it to map 5

plus it was Justice's bedshitting stage when they beat them

[frosty patrol]

glads win was impressive

[north relic]

Isn’t it the same for Houston though

And you rate them high

[hot onyx]

so like

one impressive win

all season

[ebon aurora]

where do you guys rate Outlaws then

if not 5th

[hot onyx]

and even then

[north relic]

6-7 NA

[ebon aurora]

I'm sure I'm not the only one

[hot onyx]

Dpei was doing some funky stuff maps 4-5

Kevster pharah on nepal

[ebon aurora]

Danteh Pelican Mer1t is much better than Aspire Shockwave Seicoe

[hot onyx]

there is an argument

that Aspire is better than Mer1t

[north relic]

Where did you rate titans in na again

[ebon aurora]

12th

[hot onyx]

slanderous

[ebon aurora]

we'll see

[north relic]

So titans are like budget Houston with a main support

[hot onyx]

i rate Masaa higher than Lastro main support

[ebon aurora]

difference being Houston were good last season and have the same coaching

[frosty patrol]

I have them 6th

[ebon aurora]

Vancouver managed 1 win

[north relic]

What’s titans coaching

[north relic]

There isn’t one mutual player between the 2021 titans and 2022

[ebon aurora]

same HC as last season

[hot onyx]

oh dear the bottom 2 NA team is actually trying to win this season but because they didn't perform well last season with 0 returning players they must be bad

[ebon aurora]

I agree they've levelled up

but so has the competition

it wouldn't surprise me if Titans end up 9th in NA or whatever - it's certainly possible

[hot onyx]

try and coach Linkzr Dalton Teru FRDWNR Shredlock/Changsik Fire and Roolf above bottom 3

[ebon aurora]

but imo Boston/Paris/Florida are more well rounded

[frosty patrol]

titans 8th NA

masaa szn

[hot onyx]

^^^

[ebon aurora]

if you're going to shit on me for having an opinion, that's your problem

[hot onyx]

i have them 7th NA but i can see Justice or NYXL potentially going above

[frosty patrol]

when did we shit on you

[ebon aurora]

are you serious

literally the last couple of hours has been nothing but you insulting my opinions

[frosty patrol]

I have justice 7th

[raw ermine]

that's how they are lul

[hot onyx]

when he said that we shouldn't be rating contenders players the same as OWL players despite the whole off season being hypotheticalities until the season starts

[cunning patrol]

Titans are little 3

[frosty patrol]

how is disagreeing with your opinions “shitting on you”

[ebon aurora]

telling me to "shut up"?

[cunning patrol]

Even “kng mykl fan” agrees

[hot onyx]

rephrase that in english

[frosty patrol]

titans szn

[north relic]

Szn = cringe tbh

[frosty patrol]

midseason madness 1st round loss

trust me

[cunning patrol]

Titans are little 3 in North America with Boston London

[hot onyx]

kng mykl fan disagrees with that take iirc

[ebon aurora]

I'm high on Boston, like Florida I think they're underrated

[cunning patrol]

He doesn’t

He will only disagree publicly

[frosty patrol]

I’ll respect any florida take that isn’t bowol’s at this point

[hot onyx]

Striker would go to a good team if he wasn't washed up

[north relic]

sans knows how striker thinks

[hot onyx]

no i dont

[frosty patrol]

bowol is actually 4 iq

[hot onyx]

i know how the league thinks

[ebon aurora]

why did he even leave Shock mid-season

I forgot

[hot onyx]

i experiences it as a Fusion fan with Rascal in season 4

[frosty patrol]

striker got a blowjob from huk in exchange for going to boston

[hot onyx]

they tried him out

at Defiant

Justice

didn't work

[north relic]

striker at defiant

[hot onyx]

Rascal

brainlet

[north relic]

Striker heesu tracer sombra

[hot onyx]

and mfs decide they rather have Na1st Assassin and TTuba over what was a top 3 fdps last season

[frosty patrol]

not as good as aspire shockwave

shockwave sombra

lip tier

[north relic]

Factually incorrect

[ebon aurora]

you're saying Striker < Aspire on Tracer?????????????

[vagrant jacinth]

Ttuba saved them a few times

[north relic]

Get off the EU crack

[frosty patrol]

🎣

[sullen berry]

Guys we've been through this fad before

[ebon aurora]

ffs

[hot onyx]

technically correct since i rather have Aspire over the washed up shell of Striker

[frosty patrol]

kenobi

saturday

[sullen berry]

*sunday

[frosty patrol]

get sans and I on tape

let us make a case for titans szn

[hot onyx]

Kenobi

[sullen berry]

Why not OWL SZN

[hot onyx]

i have an idea

[sullen berry]

[hot onyx]

if i am available as a recurring guest on the Ecopoint Podcast available on Spotify

make a power rankings episode before the season start

[vagrant jacinth]

Titans bad, there's no case

Pull out your own whiteboard, permanent marker only

No flip flopping

[sullen berry]

I mean it's opening weekend, lots to do and so little time to upload what I want from last stream. I could get it down but the whiteboard was at my last apartment

Nobody asked in the last three years to do power wankings on a board

[hot onyx]

don't need a whiteboard, could just do it with the prds.slm site on a sharescreen

just until you grow bigger than Plat Chat and TCP

[vagrant jacinth]

If people mald then I'm happy, I like chaos 🙂

Is ecopoint actually on spotify?

[sullen berry]

Exactly smh. I don't make the call if you're a recurring side character in my universe, I do aim to get my cohost on board this weekend which might work out if I do that separately and make it sounds as though all 4 of us are in the same conversation

It's literally in my profile

[frosty patrol]

yes

[sullen berry]

As a Yotube link in the about section lol

[frosty patrol]

sans and I are take factories

[sullen berry]

Also I have to be mindful here I don't wiggle my self promotion dong all over this server. I'm not one of those folks that advertise content like that

[hot onyx]

just have the link to your stuff in your profile

[frosty patrol]

you self promo obi-wan kenobi on disney+

[sullen berry]

Yeah but that's loosely self referential and highly recommended viewing

[frosty patrol]

I just got

a youtube ad for owl

wtf

WE HAVE AN ADVERTISING BUDGET NOW

HOLY

[gusty rampart]

Y'all are a little late on the SZN trend

[devout path]

Everyone watch this guy’s podcast

It’s great

[frosty patrol]

^

not self promotion

[sullen berry]

Cease for once a good opinion I can get behind

[devout path]

Can’t get yelled at for someone else promoting ur stuff

[vagrant jacinth]

We can do it for you

[hot onyx]

so true

[devout path]

Plus this channel is the wild Wild West you think any mod dare try to watch this channel

[vagrant jacinth]

Give me a take

[devout path]

Sans is currently dysfunctional and only prints terrible takes

[hot onyx]

Spark #3 apac

[vagrant jacinth]

Self governing, yes

[sullen berry]

I'm sure it might be a problem if they convinced themselvws I forced you into saying that

[hot onyx]

also i feel like

[sullen berry]

Yoinkss your headset

[hot onyx]

every season

[devout path]

Again it’s the Wild West no mods r in here

[balmy wolf]

ima go watch super's youtube stream

[hot onyx]

whatever Atlantas expectations are

[balmy wolf]

might be good

[hot onyx]

they do the opposite

[devout path]

My point proved exactly

[hot onyx]

what on earth are you talking about

[sullen berry]

Yeah I'm not serious about being a problem, that's what 5 years does to folks like me in this server

[vagrant jacinth]

Not a bad one, good job

[sullen berry]

Replying to your own posts smh

[hot onyx]

self promotion smh

[vagrant jacinth]

Meant to reply to sir sans

[sullen berry]

If you really want the uber hot take from Sans

Listen to the last 20 minutes where it's him flying solo

[devout path]

Sans has terrible takes

[hot onyx]

every team that signed a racist will be bottom 2 this season

[devout path]

I’m convinced everyone in this chat is -4 iq except me

[vagrant jacinth]

90% of Ed users do

[hot onyx]

google "messiah complex"

[sullen berry]

My guy saying "yo I'm not finished with my slam poetry" re: fusion then Boston

[hot onyx]

i wasn't finished though

[devout path]

Xenophobia is not racism

[hot onyx]

had to go through each individual

[cunning patrol]

Shock aren’t bottom 2

[hot onyx]

and provide logic for my takes

[sullen berry]

Yeah that was fine but the timing of it could not be better

[bleak lily]

Who is Xenophobia

[devout path]

Xenophobia is discrimination of people from other countries

[hot onyx]

not Mike, he is transphobia itself

[devout path]

Real

[sullen berry]

Like who goes to tune into a stream about 100 minutes in and thinks "oh this guy has got to have run out of mean things to say about my fave team Philly"

[sullen berry]

Glad we got rid of that guy

KEK

[hot onyx]

Philly is my favourite team so I'm allowed to critique them as harsh as the haters

[sullen berry]

now we have Masaa simp

[devout path]

You have no valentinefan69 tho

[vagrant jacinth]

Caught

[willow tartan]

yo mods finally got around to banning mike?

[vagrant jacinth]

Lmao

[willow tartan]

based

[frosty patrol]

who is crustyjr

[willow tartan]

cant wait until we ban marbel and ian too

[sullen berry]

Transpobia incarnate it seems

[devout path]

No that’s me

They are transphobia itself

[hot onyx]

why would anyone be a fan of a bottom 5 fdps?

[willow tartan]

why would anyone be a fan of boston

like unless you are from there

[hot onyx]

real

[willow tartan]

no reason to

[devout path]

Cuz Valentine echo > sparkle echo

[sullen berry]

That's a weird way to spell striker /s

[willow tartan]

hey actually

where the FUCK is boston?

like geographically

[hot onyx]

isn't Striker hs?

[sullen berry]

Danteh echo > sp9rk1e echo diff

[devout path]

Massachusetts

Northeast US

[willow tartan]

that's close enough to NY

if you're in that area you're supporting not boston

when NYXL exist

[sullen berry]

Hence the rivalry that gets right up a few times

[devout path]

No

If you live in Massachusetts it’s a crime to support a New York sports team

[hot onyx]

and when NYXL have had the better roster every year for 5 years

[willow tartan]

massachusett people hate new york?

[devout path]

We hate their sports teams

[willow tartan]

what is the plural?

massachusi

[sullen berry]

Culturally, it's normal to compare Boston with NY, despite how awful that comparison has been since stage 3 of season 1

[frosty patrol]

you will literally be murdered

[willow tartan]

massachusers

[devout path]

Real

[vagrant jacinth]

Understandable

[willow tartan]

massachusettiers

???

[frosty patrol]

massachusettses

[sullen berry]

Mass or two shits, honestly no clue

[devout path]

It’s a public execution if you support a New York team in Massachusetts

[willow tartan]

they are both in new england

close enough

[frosty patrol]

nyc is not new england

[devout path]

New York is not part of New England

[frosty patrol]

it’s mid atlantic

[sullen berry]

[willow tartan]

what??