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he isnt
He really isn’t
Yeah
twilight is better
also shock coaching sux
Twilight is better lmfao
But finn 2nd bezt
finn unironically is gonna fuck
Agree
MUZE hotba>coulge
Propa kilo>heesu although finale
Twilight chr0n0g>violet Finn IMHO(vio2lt on MS🤣)
Agree
Muze is better
Than coluge
He is definetly starting
For defiant
Muze is best player in owl
he is
He is
In my personal opinnion
Good take
Hotba won't play
It will def be moose
And we all know coluge can't match
Moose
Or the Ba
Will be interesting to see the tank meta though
Lastro is a good player
He really isn’t
He had to play with ansoonjae
Besides on a few hero’s
Who is the worst
I was talking about when kdg was on philly too lmao
Moose? KEK
A loss tweet for London Spitfire
Pog
above shock? no, but top 4? yes
Pogba is superior.
like your mom last night
Valentine is good
Burner
Valentine not that good
lsd
they may not win but spitfire my beloved ❤️

not sure u stop
2/10
3/10
I'd say APAC isn't bad but NA is just a mess
apac is very easy to rank this season
I j have a lot of problems with your NA
Like SFShock is not in the same tier as Boston
Nor is Outlaws 2 spots higher than Shock
nor is paris > NYXL
nor is glads > dallas
I still think ninek coming back to shock is underrated
this is probably the only thing you said I can probably agree with
the rest
nah
Levy stop it
Okay
im gonna laugh at all of you
wrong on 2/3
no way in hell is boston better then NYXL or Justice
Mayhem better then paris
Atlanta better then outlaws
I think boston will be a dark horse team
but I doubt that high
Toronto fans when they realize the memes aren't true and Hotba really is mid
No one thinks hotba is good, he’s above avg that’s it
Any kind of combined rankings is going to look worse than an individual power rankings before the season starts
That's the point of the meme moron
It makes no sense
What’s your grade in English
🧢
Against who tho
haha what
They play against Boston Paris and Mayhem twice, it’s highly possible they win at least 2 matches
they're also playing vancouver very soon
Holy shit actual good Levy take?
Shut up sans
Ok babe
I have yet to see a good take from u
Ayt I'ma go to sleep
It is currently
1:35am 🤓🤓
Damn even his opponents be hyping him up
He he ha ha
man after seeing a lot of power rankings
It seems people took the yiska juice and now just perma rate atlanta 2nd or 1st NA
And also think boston/nyxl are bottom 3 teams lmao
I mean they're not bottom 3 but I don't hold them that high
Ask any human being in the channel, I rated Boston bottom NA before it was cool
fake
Your relationship is fake
rent free in your head
me and my gf dont need to look for a house
we already have your head
atp has the valiant at #20
omegalul
"london > valiant"
nohill non-believer
has charge 17
BASED
MAYHEM 15
HES NOT SMOKING BOWOL SHIT
spark 14???
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I’m on team eggshow
if any team from s5 with 2 tanks time traveled to s1-4 they wpuld be at least mid
T H A N K Y O U
I was saying mayhem like mid
yes
goated take
I mean no matter how you look at it, Outlaws are just a worser version of the Shock
Coluge = Piggy
Proper Kilo S9MM > Pelican Danteh Mer1t
Viol2t Finn > Lastro Ir1s
And then Junkbunk isn't > Crusty NineK
If there was a Sombra Echo meta Pelican and Danteh would whoop everyone's ass
Piggy > Coluge
Proper = Pelican
Mer1t = Kilo
Danteh > S9mm
Iris > FiNN >/= Viol2t >>> Lastro
I’m not the most familiar with o2 blast’s ceiling so i can’t confidently compare proper kilo to danteh pelican
besides the fact that danteh pelican have the same strange hero pool
coluge < piggy
proper > pelican
kilo/s9mm =< mer1t/danteh
viol2t > lastro
finn >= ir1s
IMO
Proper is not in another league to Pelican
proper is > pelican
flexibility sets them apart for me
That’s literally a deluded take
but on the projectile heroes
wrong
They have their heroes
it's even
proper benched pelican on the echo at o2 blast and proper can probably diff mer1t on the hitscan
I rate Pelican echo higher than Proper echo
Outlaws are gonna be mid-bottom his year ngl
I rate proper above pelican because proper is a good hitscan, tracer, and hanzo
Proper played with Pelican???
and pelican isn't
Bad take
Any team with pelican is a top level team
doesnt mean he didnt bench him
Did you watch the games?
even if the outlaws have issues with piggy and main support they’re still gonna be a decent team
In 2021 Pelican was traded to Atlanta
i am aware
Outlaws = shock
And no longer played for O2
That's why I included mid
Good take
outlaws top half NA
I'm just arguing about outlaws being 2 spots higher than shock and 1 spot higher than ATL
cause thats just not true lmao
Outlaws are better than Reign
Imo
I think all 3 are equal
thats not a bad take but they're not 2 spots higher than shock
Might not be correct, but it’s my prediction
The Reign are gonna be sucking everyone's dick until Speedily gets of age
Ur bad take central
Is Speedily an upgrade to Pelican?
Except for Uprising London and Paris
GLA Dallas > Shock Outlaws Atlanta > toronto Washington mayhem > the rest
this p true
Ehhh
no
maybe Paris below mayhem
no
then the rest
hawk kai nero ojee uv is still good pre speedily
Mayhem goes with the rest but other than that agree
I like that someone else has mayhem doing good in NA
and lucio meta means reign > outluls for me
Toronto > Atlanta, and Mayhem is not better than Titans??
Nah
mayhem top 3 NA is too far though buster
Mayhem < Paris
I could list off teams everyone here can agree Mayhem can beat
Mayhem has one good meta where they can run with Xzi Hydron Someone SirMajed and everything else they suck ass at
I forgot about mayhem backline
There is an argument that Mayhem has the worst backline in the league
mayhem staying true to Florida
What the fuck
their backline is a retirement home
he thinks adam hydron someone anamo majed xzi are all insane
actually bad takes wtf
Mayhem could beat Uprising, London, Paris, Vancouver, Washington hasn't been doing good in scrims, NYXL, Toronto is 50/50 can everyone agree on this?
that is a worse take than avast fs takes
no
Anyone could beat anyone
no, nyxl and toronto hard clear florida
No Glads and Fuel higher than Mayhem
Forgot nyxl exists
NYXL hadn't been doing well in scrims tho
So did I tbh
“outlaws shock reign defiant are worse than mayhem”
Nyxl is the same level as Washington Toronto
Scrimbux omegalul
Stop acting like you are the same
You have mayhem top three NA
delusional
proper hard diffs merit
scrims prob dont matter
“Hotba MuZe CH0R0NG Twilight is worse than Adam Someone Anamo Kariv Majed”
proper's the best hs in NA lmao
The game is changing too rapidly for scrimbux to matter
Disagree
I think they’re hard mid
remember
That’s a tier above shitter isn’t it
bowol thinks adam is A tier
Worse than paris better than everyone below that
and anamo too
At their worst the Mayhem is middle of mid
Depends on definition of shitter
at worst they’re 12th NA
At their WORST??
At their worse mayhem is worse in the league
at best they’re 6th
Best case they’re 7ths
Not below London or uprising
what is mayhem backline again
Best case they’re like better than paris
is that myunbong gangnamjin
Majed Kariv anamo
not mayhem
KariV Anamo and SirMajed
I mean nyxl
Sirmajed kariv anamo
Yes
Myunbong gangnamjin
gangnamjin was last year mayhem oops
uv ojee tho
Ò
Uprising would be slightly stronger in a double fs meta, equal off tanks meta and sombra reaper
Oõ
But that’s the only thing uprising would be stronger than mayhem on
Tracer echo meta Boston is better than mayhem
Everything else they get diffed
Add tracer cause striker
Striker washed and Valentine is a bottom 3 starting echo
striker overrated imo
If striker washed xzi washed
Valentine goated echo
also doesnt change teh fact that striker mental will be bye bye after first stage
I have more faith in the return of Xzi than Striker
checkmate echo hydron tracer
is worse
I’d rather take my chances on Checkmate echo
Valentine echo is much better than checkmate
I think mystary is fatphobic
And Hydron tracer isn’t worse than a washed Striker
That was a mistype
I've heard Checkmate is also doing really well in scrims
im not
That is no longer under the wing of Crusty
I think you meant to say fuck coluge
i think piggy is a sig otp
I’ve you heard you should get some bitches
“Checkmate has been playing a lot of tank on the ladder and had been performing really well”
no
🐐
I already have some tho
incredibly based
not wrong
Not at least
Shock is top 5 na
no way shock isnt top 4 na lol
bowol’s bitches are in the form of onlyfans subscriptions
shock would have to be worse than both Houston and Atlanta to not be top 4
Atlanta is a lock for top 5 imo
And better than shock
. . .
Houston has the biggest possibility to flop
imo Houston is the only one of those teams that could drop below top 5 unless a disaster happens
You're fucking high
Everyone but you agrees
Bowl bad take moment
When Speedily is of age I'll agree
i mean top 5 teams are arguably top 3 lol
idk much about venom but ojee uv kai nero hawk fucks
fuel glads reign shock outlaws defiant justice titans nyxl mayhem eternal uprising spitfire is my current NA
i think this is fair
my only question marks are Nero gator and venom
Venom was crazy in contenders
Although tracer otp
MASAA LUCIO BABY
I agree besides Paris
Titans cannot beat Mayhem
I put defiant over outlaws
I don’t have enough faith in Vancouver to agree
I’m not the most familiar with shockwave
I just remember him getting rolled in playoffs
masaa aztac bux
MASAA LUCIO 🐐
Hydron much better
aspire bux
first bowol w take
Aspire Fucks just about anyone 1v1
shockwave is benched permanently
I got fuel glads atlanta shock Houston defiant nyxl justice titans paris mayhem Boston spitfire
I think I’m forgetting someone
who is Vancouver tank again it’s fuzzy in my mind
False
not familiar with false
false and seicoe are the weak points of vancouver
but
MASAA AZTAC BABY
ASPIRE BABY
Masaa is ehh
Fuel Glads Shock ATL Houston Defiant NYXL Justice Titans Mayhem Eternal Uprising Spitfire.
I'm just high on the yiska juice to justify shock 3rd
Masaa lucio clears anamo lucio 35 times over
but shock atl houston can all interchange places
Big cap
agreed
anamo is a bottom tier lucio
and mid of NA is very very messy so i j went with gut insticts
masaa lucio is the goat
1-2 and 3-5 interchangeable for me
mayhem backline really just ‘was good in season 2’
Moth Jecse Viol2t Admiral Cho0r0ong
1-2 is not interchangable
viol2t 💀
dallas is better then glads
viol2t admiral 💀
cope
no
2 players not in the league 💀
chorong yes
but masaa top 3 lucio NA
anamo bottom 3-4
Moth and Jecse have the most goated Lucio's
Jecse 💀
just wait until lastro lucio diffs masaa hard
😈
well lastro is top 1
so
doesn’t make masaa not top 3
I’m kinda like leejaegon but replace all his bad plays with good plays
supa is a solid 5th
Finally someone that doesn’t underrate Masaa
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we signed fuck it seominsoo though
so we’re top 5
SMS lmao
Fuck It Seominsoo says “Fuck It, Good Pickup!” for players like Pr🤮v1de and Belosrea but not SoOn
coluge for Dennis hawelka award
he does it for bad pickups
as a joke
Doesn’t look like a joke, just feels robotic at this point imo
who does the titans have
i think I would bash in a shock fan’s skull with a rock
good
Unless he makes a multiple page paragraph as to why Bananawolf will be the saving grace for the Valiant it’s just not funny anymore
Aspire sHockWave Seicoe False Masaa Aztac Skairipa
Kinda wish they’d sign someone like Lullsish to fill that mt gap
flats*
!!
we have a ton here
I can provide rocks
get to bashing
chances that a shock rookie doesnt win roty?
50%
mn3 chorong looking kinda sexy
ultraviolet too
thats bad
no rookie as good as proper sadly
30%
proper so good
if he doesnt get roty
yikes
we’ve had undeserving rotys before
like haksal
finn > uv
nice main support player
thanks
I will die on a hill saying godsb deserved roty season 2
but both alarm (rest in peace) and pelican both deserved it
violet is great :D
yes
and i also think that haksal wasnt that bad of a choice either but viol2t should have been s2 roty
guxue was also not the best player on s2 spark
viol2t godsb were the top 2 rookies
yes
seominsoo 3
I can bash Pr🤮v1des head in with the rocks
haksal 4
viol2t pls get mvp next season
godsb or viol2t deserved roty
do you know that psych experiment where the dude trained a dog to salivate whenever it heard a certain bell noise
by feeding it whenever he played the bell noise
Not Godsb
do you think I could train a shock fan in a similar way
I’d argue Twilight
to dart for cover whenever I grab a rock
if you’re so confident that I wouldn’t be able to would you be willing to be my subject and try to prove me wrong
ok sure
they should make ana kittens the same way they made twilight
what
I’d become a Winston main if I had an ana kitten like twilight
dude
best ana is clearly fielder
actually
yea
twighlight is good
great
best ana
ever
based take
yes
criminal that genji 1t on brig got it
i'd become a brig 1tp if my zen was viol2t
I don’t think you would
there’s still the language barrier
who’s the best zen in the league rn
idk rn
does it just go to izayaki by default
best zens are probably fielder viol2t izayaki
dont think so
not in order
Best ana kitten is Fielder
i think viol2t zen still nasty
and we havent seen enough zen metas to confidently say izayaki
same goes for viol2t as well
Fielder is the closest we get to a healbot for a top tier FS
Izayaki default
Viol2t all time but rn I take izayaki
Mmonk is there also
Or farway
The more I think about it the more I think about how alarm was top 3 on every fs
mfs talking about potential double flex support metas but they aren’t ready for the double main support meta 😈 😈
chengdu supremacy
glads supremacy
They don’t have two ms
Check #esports-news
glads supremacy
just wait for lucio brig meta
izayaki
Where would you rate him if godsb was British
izayaki viol2t mmonk
C tier
izayaki literally played zen all of last year
after june joust he never swapped off
Still one of my favorite images
I forgor
maybe i forgor s4
Who won orisa jousting
you did
he only played zen from summer showdown-grand finals
Yeah key word being was
yea i forgot meta
Ohhhh
I creamed my pants
Still think Twilight was better
didn’t he end on ana
or did he end on bap
Haksal my 👑
seeing rein zarya lucio ana was so funny
Who was dps role stars for 2019?
oh true
Is this where I find a team?
watching the best rush team get bullied by shanghai rein zarya lucio ana was funny as fuck
everyone cried about rascal not being role star
But 17/20 are locks
IDK WAS ROLE STAR OVER SLIME OR MOTH??
What a cruel world
Didn’t Corey have like one good stage?
it was only for dps heroes
JINMU?
that they accounted for
corey when on dps was deserving of role star
erster godsb rascal diem should’ve been it
imo
corey honorable mention
jinmu too
haksal too
Ah yes 7 role stars
no
Such a special reward
honorable mentions corey jinmu haksal
Still counts
when there’s 24 honorable mentions?
There was at least 180 players in season 2
Diem deserved every award in histoey
So yeah that does take away from the reward when 3/4 of those players weren’t good
Or elite I should say
Anyway enough
I have finalised my power rankings
Shazam
Pick out some specifics
Without mentioning Seoul or Valiant
I enjoy when we have totally friendly debates that don’t affect my mental health in a negative fashion
NYXL a tier above justice is dumb because justice are about even with them
less holes on justice but also less great players
I thought about that
But there’s this part of me
That thinks Justice is omega shitting the bed
I rate opener lucio above myunbong lucio and tydolla is cracked silly in the brain
season 2
they were expected to be 20th
were 17th
somewhat fair
very good performance
Kuki Undine >> Supr7me Tydolla
they did better than expectations
supreme tydolla chilwa = kuki undine
based top 3 but you trust the two double flex support teams for #4 and 5 in the league?
shitting the bed implies you can afford a bed
mayhem
ah common mayhem L
Disagree on the basis that Supreme deducts points in the same sense that Dpei did on Glads
wait why is Toronto so high
No matter how good Chilwa Tydolla are I’d rather have Kuki than a bottom 5 coach
they have a cracked af backline
Because they’re great??
and a good dps
muze and hotba were ok
And taking into inflation of the retirement of LateYoung and Choi
muze was easily the weakest glads starter
Hotba is better
“Oh no I have a top 6 main tank on a team with top 3 players so that makes him 10th”
Heesu hitscan still cracked
glads fan here muze didn’t impress me much
defiant have like
although finale are question marks
Hotba held back by Mano, EQO sombra, visa issues and a washed up Rascal and Tobi for half the season
the 5th-7th best tankline
shit dps because although visa issues
and an amazing support line
Tell me you don’t watch Korean Contenders without saying you don’t watch Korean Contenders
Although is great
Super even
although visa issues
For a single stage
true that’s my main blindspot
in league or NA
Finale bottom 5 dps player
Why they signed him is beyond me
Patiphan on Glads makes more sense than that shitter
But I’m going on the basis that Heesu Although permastart as soon as Although makes it to NA
fair enough
Do I need to sell you on their top 5 backline?
maybe I’m underrating muze but I still wouldn’t put them above ratlanta
nah
MuZe > Gator off rein
I completely agree with their backline
Although > Nero
And Venom
And Defiant backline gaps Reign backline hard
I could see Reign taking a win in an off tank meta though
still concerned about having iris lastro backline and viol2t Finn backline both in top 5
But even then Hotba makes it close
Would you rather I have Defiant or an imploded Chengdu in top 5?
Because I did
ur top 5 is fine rn
better than Dallas?
viol2t is fine
yeah but like
I pay no attention to the abysmal hitscan choices of Guriyo Edison
viol2t finn is a good support lineup
lucio
viol2t is a fine lucio
doesn’t the rest of ga9a vs hanbin fearless
Screenshot for later use when arguing that your opinion is irrelevant
and fielder chiyo vs yveltal mmonk / farway nisha
favor Dallas
or are we just on about dps lines
Yes it does
Ish
Hunters had added flexibility for double fs
Or double ms 
And as much as I believe Fielder zen is heavily underrated, I still think MMonk would be better in that sense
And that Yveltal and Nisha are better mercy’s than ChiYo
if you aren’t hearing AWWWW YEAHHH every 3 seconds swap to brig
just wait until pharm*rcy is perma meta and nisha m*rcy diffs ljg in the grand finals
make brig lucio meta tbh need glads to take the championship
Anymore thoughts?
is anamo that bad
that Florida is bottom 3
aren’t hydron xzi and someone all good
and majed at least decent
Even if we’re taking main support out of the equation
Majed is struggling with visas last I checked
And Kariv is gonna play over him
Even then Majed is like bottom 5
Someone is average/below average
Adam is bottom 3
Hydron is good but hitscan is too stacked
Xzi might not be as good as he was in 2020
And Checkmate off main tank absolutely blows
Most I would negotiate for Florida is above Valiant
Even then I have my reservations
I could also negotiate them below Spitfire
Just one of those teams really
fuck you
also i wanna see shitty youtube takes
Shields Up
it’s funny because you’re a shock fan
Shoes up
and 90% of shitty owl takes are from shock fans
true
So true
mystary just proving that not having Dallas glads as interchangeable is pure bias
glads are gonna win i can feel it in my bones
They’re not, Glads are better
I hope so
amen
Shanghai back to back would be boring
and I wouldn’t want to be here to see memeicus’ shit eating grin
Agreed
Wrong unfortunately
shanghai needs to be shanglow for a bit
I don’t like Seoul at all, but you bet your ass I was cheering for Profits playoff mickey mouse meta ass to dethrone the Shock
Honestly even then Valiant is better than Mayhem on an individual level and that’s saying something when they have Innovation Sasin and Coldest
has there been a single time the valiant has done well?
guys guys guys
they were arguably one of the best teams season 1
and they were solid season 3
why is a gigachad talking in this language again
also the first team to beat titans in regular season in season 2 I think
which is worth something at least
guys so i put this in google translate and it’s polish for
your old woman is fat
not sure how that has to do with esports but
wait you speak english?
There is no alternate reality where Valiant make it to playoffs
ok
#ValiantSweep
how do ppl feel about the atlanta reign
shoes up
they did well
#ValiantSwept*
shoes up
the definition of shit eating grin was my face after watching all the valiant fans I knew begrudgingly become gladiators fans at the beginning of season 4
Must’ve been satisfying watching your LA team win a title while the other LA team couldn’t win a regular season match
for a while i was a glads fan
then after k returned to overwwtch years later i was a spark fan
now i am glads fan again
and i am at peace
To that I ask, why not root for both?
Two insanely stacked rosters
never thought of the spark as stacked
One with prideful coaching the other with prideful colours
except for guxue
They are this year
he’s cool
Lemme give you an idea as to how stacked they are this year
There can be an argument made that Guxue is the weakest starting player on Spark
For 2022
honestly can see shanghai winning it all again
And that’s not to say Guxue is bad
oh yeah and shy
who is the fs for spark
if glads and spark somehow go against each other i will develop a tumor
did irony superich alphayi pineapple all play together
not impossible for mid season madness
but unlikely
I developed those exact feelings whenever season 1 Fusion vs NYXL occurred
Great take
You’d be an intelligent human if you weren’t a Reign fan or Victoria apologist
dunno much about irony but i think shy is still good
Shy is top 5 ofc he’s good
yeah i though so
i dunno i they can win against shanghai though
Spark vs Dragons?
Probably not
But that’s the same for every team
Fusion can’t beat them
Seoul can’t
Hunters can’t now they’ve lost Apr1ta
Disagree
like imagine if we just have to watch like the charge and they win versus everyone
Valiant can’t beat Charge or Fusion let alone the reigning champions 
#ValiantSweep
#ShoesUp
#ValiantSweep
#BrickedUp
You bet they do
everyone does
#ValiantSweep v #BrickedUp, 2022 Grand Finals
What is bricked up
we don’t talk about boston
Me when I interact with your mother
You’re too young don’t worry
Common Levy L
Yikes
It doesn’t work when u don’t know what it means
That is at the very least equal to sHockWave or Aspire
valiant will win maybe one game
Because sHockWave Aspire >>> Innovation Becky Ezhan and Haker
Who are you exactly
Another one with bad opinions
Oh no
Sans is duplicating
i’m butters from south park
I also take Seicoe the second most underrated rookie player in the league
Over most Valiant dps
Nohill clears titans' entire organization
I take ur mother over most valiant dps
🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
That’s cool but you have two decent players and the rest are low C tier
bro i have this stacked bronze team that can easily beat valiant
At best
We have Nohill
Unfortunately
We win
I don’t care if you have Crusty Rush Moon NineK Rui
Some players
Are blatantly untalented
And uncoachable
I would pick any DPS that nohill chose over any DPS that titans shit coaching staff chose
Gg
They signed roolf
Ah yes
Masaa, the grand finalist = Roolf
if i wasn’t like 4 years below the age requirement i could replace a member from valiant
Aroace
✊
seicoe would be 3rd if krillin was a rookie
You said Titans don’t sign good players
You are a sigma
krillin is way too underrated
Reiner my beloved
Nope
Yet they have sHockWave Aspire False Masaa Aztac
I'm saying their coaching staff sucks
No I’m not a m*n
Yeah and so does Reigns
I know
That team gets cleared by diya
Still place them top 5 NA
Unfortunately
Sigma women exist too
and i am not a w*man
Lip can’t 1v5 let alone Diya
shockwave false aren’t good
but
MASAA AZTAC TO THE MOON
😔 so dumb
@devout path i need CHEESE
Lip will 1v5 every fight
GROMET
Agree
I got randomly selected for a COVID test by the school
All any team needs to do is have negating Diya as their primary objective and the rest of that squad is easy


